Hong Kong Club Reports

[QUOTE=Klaflare;2357435]All these talks about street girls yet whenever I'm in Tijuana the street girls I see aren't that good looking, is there a particular district where the street girls are decent looking?[/QUOTE]The only "district" is the Zona, although the girls spread out on side streets and such. The biggest density of girls is the alley (Callejon Coahuila) with girls on both sides, and then along the Constitution and Ninos Heroes sides, around the the main Calle Coahuila. There are street girls uphill on Constitution and Ninos Heroes up to Primera. Going along Primera you have street girls and trannies. The best looking girls are the ones closest to the action in the alley, but if they aren't to your taste then they aren't to your taste. The other thread on Street Girls will have more information.

[QUOTE=Klaflare;2357434]Wow 200 an HR for 1 girl? Sheesh as long as you had fun I guess.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and he did that three times. That girl got $600 for three hours. Made her month, for sure. Now she is going to expect the next guy to come along to also pay $100 for 30 minutes, and she isn't going to be interested in making a deal for longer time.

I mean, he seems happy and that's what matters. But for that price she probably would have spent the whole day and night with him. If I ever want an hour with a girl, I'll offer her an upgrade... but not double.

I just read the post about someone who spent $200 per hour for 3 hours with a HK girl? These are USA prices. A girl getting $600 in Tijuana for 1 night must feel like she owns all of Tijuana. I think this is the reason why girls default give 15 minutes of sex for $80. Too many foreigners that come in and gladly pay $200 per session. The girls most likely talk and word spreads that some girls are earning several hundreds per night. Basically Hong Kong is the equivalent of getting a USA escort LOL. Why go to Hong Kong when you can get the same girl for the same price back at home? LOL it's crazy. I'm bewildered.

Thankfully there are bars like adelitas, Chicago, and others where you can still get cheap prices but it's not much better. Honestly if you're paying more than $60 for 15 minutes of sex at Hong Kong, you are getting ripped off, period. There is no question about that, you are just getting cheated out of your money plain and simple LOL. It's like buying ice cream at $5 per scoop. Don't fall victim to a cheated transaction please. I always try to ensure that I get a fair transaction. I don't even want a bargain, I just want a fair price for a fair time period.

[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2357411]
This is NOT true, and only shows that you have poor negotiation skills, or just poor judgment. The price is **whatever you agree to pay** and the duration is **as long as she agreed to stay**. I regularly get 40+ minutes (VIP) for $60 because that's what I specify. I'll pay $80 for sex with BBBJ, and if I finish early I'll let the girl go. But I never let HER decide that the time is up unless THE TIME IS UP.

Man up and insist on getting what you pay for. And don't fucking pay them in advance. "El mariachi pagado..." every girl knows what that means.
[/QUOTE]I appreciate your responses and you seem more of rational person in that you don't subscribe to paying stupid high amounts of money to these girls and get very little in return. But please don't make deceiving statements. Let's be clear here. For a typical newbie foreigner that goes to HK, what are his sex sessions like? If he's going for a girl on the hotter side then he should expect to pay $80 for 15 minutes of sex as a default. This is what happens 9 times out of 10. Now, as you've said you can negotiate specific details before bringing her up. If you don't know spanish though, it will be difficult.

But even if you do, let's take a step back here. What exactly are you doing? You are PAYING this girl for her service. Why should you, as a customer, need to further negotiate beyond the minimum, in order to get what you want? Good service should be EXPECTED. This isn't rocket science here. You come with the money, and you expect to receive good service. If the standard service for your money is 15 minutes of sex, then it is shit service.

The point I'm making here is that 95% of these girls have 0 customer service skills. I have no idea how you regularly get 40+ minutes for $60. Or which girls you are seeing. But from my experience the standard is $80 for 15 minutes. Again, this is for a standard foreigner like myself. This standard of service is complete shit. If you need anymore negotiation, skill, etc just to get average or good service then it's not worth it. Again, why are you paying the girl in the first place? For a GOOD service. It's like going to a car mechanic and paying to have him fix your car. The guy should just do it and do a good job. You shouldn't have to press him and twist him to get him to do a good job. If you do then he is simply a piece of shit and should be out of business.

[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2357411]
This is true on a weekend in Hong Kong. There are so many stupid mongers who will take a girl upstairs immediately because if he doesn't there are 10 more guys who will. There are so many guys in hong Kong that just getting a girl's attention is difficult, and you don't have time to interview her before she is gone. And if you insist on $80 for 30 minutes she'll just find another guy. So I agree with you on this one. You know what you do? Go to a different bar, or don't go to Hong Kong on a weekend.

If you have to be in the Zona on a Saturday night, try Chicago Club, Bar Tropical, Las Chavelas, or even Adelitas (which can be as bad as HK). Or, stay away entirely on Fridays and Saturdays. Hong Kong on a Sunday or a Wednesday is decent, and on a Monday or Tuesday can be downright casual. If you HAVE to go on a Saturday, do like you said and stay away from the Zona entirely. Stay at a regular hotel and get an escort at $80-120 for a full hour of GFE. Or Do the street girl thing like you are suggesting.

You seem to have it figured out. You don't like dealing with Hong Kong girls on a Saturday night. Great! You know what you like and what you have the ability to control. You even know what to do about it. So stop slamming Hong Kong because it isn't what YOU want. It's a great place for what other guys want and can handle.
[/QUOTE]Let's focus on the objective facts here. I assume we are both intelligent people and can look at some numbers and simply determine what is the best bang for your buck. Let me repeat my point: bar girls are a rip off and the least effective way to spend your money. This is objectively true, no one can deny this simple fact. You are paying a girl $80 for 15 minutes of sex. Let's say she's a 9 in looks. Great, you just fucked a 9 for 15 minutes and it only cost you $80, not bad. Now, how about a street girl. Standard rate is $20 for 15 minutes of sex, and let's say the girl is an 8. Congratulations, you just paid 1/4th the amount compared to Hong Kong and you got a girl that's a little less hot.

It's a no brainer. Now the only problem is there aren't that many hot street girls. They do exist though. For example take myself, I was there for just a few nights and even I was able to find a street girl that looked like a solid hottie. Tall, big round bubble butt, wide hips, big tits, etc, all of it. She wanted $20 for 15 minutes. I ended up fucking her for over 45 minutes in 2 different sessions. My total spend was $60 and I had a fucking BLAST fucking that one street girl compared to 15 minutes of sex with a Hong Kong girl.

It's just simple numbers. I'm an intelligent guy. I believe in effectiveness and appropriate use of dollars. Spending something like $80 or $100 for 15 minutes of sex just seems stupid to me. It's like willingly cheating yourself. A lot of foreigners like to cheat themselves like that, I don't. I work hard for my money and enjoy getting how much it's worth.

[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2357411]
This makes me think that you haven't been with a lot of street girls. They are just as likely to scam you as any bar girl. You think that they aren't in a rush to get back on the street? A bar girl just made $80 (more than a week's pay in Tijuana). A street girl made $20. OF COURSE she is in a hurry to get back to the street to get more clients. more so than the bar girl, for sure.

The boards are full of reports from guys who get up to the room and she wants an extra 200 pesos to take her top off, and an extra 200 to suck you with a condom, and an extra 200 to do more than one position, and an extra 200 to go 30 minutes. They complain that all of a sudden they are paying $80 for 30 minutes and might as well go with a bar girl. And even if you DO negotiate exactly what you want (which I doubt that you are capable of), they can still rip you off if you don't stand up for yourself. But as you said, who cares if they only scammed you for $20?[/QUOTE]To me this is just common sense but: a customer should NEVER have to stand up for themselves. They are the customer. They have all the power, especially in a market like this. If the customer isn't happy with the immediate offer, they can leave and find another girl. If a street girl tries to rip you off in the room, so be it, it's only a $20 investment. The best you can do is negotiate as much as you can outside and then just go with it. How about the bar girl, what if she tries to rip you off in the room? Now you've got $80 on the line. The risk is much higher. In theory, the service should be more secure, since it is more expensive right? But it's not, it's actually even LESS secure. And that's the thing. There's all these little things that just make bar girls such an ineffective spend of money. Which is why I recommend for people who go to Tijuana on a regular basis to NOT go to bar girls. Sure if you go to tijuana once or twice in your life, be the dumb gringo and pay $600 for 3 hours with a girl, but know that you're being ripped off and you should never do something like that again.

As far as street girls: I do enjoy them from my limited time at Tijuana. That would probably change if I've been there a bit. But I do like street girls, mainly because they are very cheap. And you can find some really hot girls. It takes time and luck to come across the hot street girls. But when you do find them, you get a ridiculously cheap price. You could go back and bang the same girl over and over for hours and pay sub $200. It's amazing. $200 for a bar girl gets you two sessions of 15 minutes.

Also here is a tip for newcomers to mexico. If you want to cross the border from mexico to the USA and the line is long and you have a flight to catch. DON'T panic and don't listen to any mexicans that try to talk you into a bus ride. These people will rip you off. A mexican guy lied to me and said a bus would take me to the airport for $40. In reality he bought a $7 ticket that took me ahead of the line and basically dropped me across the border. The guy LIED to me, the bus doesn't go to the airport, and stole $33 from me. If you need any help getting across the border when the line is long DO NOT SPEAK TO ANY MEXICANS! Look for the first gringo you see. Usually a white male, and ask simply about the bus that can take you across the border. Keep asking gringos that you see until one knows what you are talking about, they will speak english and explain things nicely for you. Do not talk to any mexicans and do not listen to any mexicans. Even if they speak english or try to scare you into thinking you will miss your flight. You may get scammed once like me but after that you will be experienced and won't have it happen to you again.

The description of the guy who scammed me: guy wearing blue uniform, speaks english, combed and very short hair and middle aged, kind of skinny. Approached me as I got out of uber and started walking towards the line. These guys are really stupid to scam foreigners like this because it may bite them one day. Don't listen to them guys, just ask the nearest gringos you can find. These mexican guys are dishonest, even if they are wearing a "uniform and badge" probably all fake.

Also, from what I understand there is a shuttle that goes from the border to HK and from HK to the border for free. I have no idea where this shuttle is or how to use it, so I've always taken $3 ubers when I need to go to and from the border. If anyone has any idea how this works please share. Speaking extremely limited spanish really doesn't get you far here.

[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2357474]The only "district" is the Zona, although the girls spread out on side streets and such. The biggest density of girls is the alley (Callejon Coahuila) with girls on both sides, and then along the Constitution and Ninos Heroes sides, around the the main Calle Coahuila. There are street girls uphill on Constitution and Ninos Heroes up to Primera. Going along Primera you have street girls and trannies. The best looking girls are the ones closest to the action in the alley, but if they aren't to your taste then they aren't to your taste. The other thread on Street Girls will have more information.[/QUOTE]You shouldn't say $100 for 30 minutes, it's not 30 minutes. It's only 15 minutes of sex. I've been to Hong Kong, I've seen the girls. The amount of time you get of dick inside her and actual fucking is 15 minutes. The girl spends 5 minutes walking around your room, another 5 minutes playing in your shower, then she shaves the last 5 minutes off and leaves early as a courtesy cause she likes to steal money. So really they are false advertising since it should be "$100 for 25 minutes". But again, only 15 minutes of actual sex.

[QUOTE=KCQuestor;2357474]Yeah, and he did that three times. That girl got $600 for three hours. Made her month, for sure. Now she is going to expect the next guy to come along to also pay $100 for 30 minutes, and she isn't going to be interested in making a deal for longer time.

I mean, he seems happy and that's what matters. But for that price she probably would have spent the whole day and night with him. If I ever want an hour with a girl, I'll offer her an upgrade... but not double.[/QUOTE]She was with me for about 10 hours, so including beer and tips probably around $66/ HR. Did the deed on and off throughout. Made her month for sure LOL she's off on vacation.

I've been going to Hong Kong every five days for a month. I ask all girls immediately "how much? Just to get a idea. I don't counter offer. To me, so much sex around why counter offer? Anyway, woman usually say 80. A third say 100. If I ask 30 girls I get one 60. Problem is, I need a girl who's going to be making out with me or begging me to suck her nipples before I agree to sex. So it's hard to find a good one. Ten am, to 3 pm is probably the best. I don't get girls asking me for lap dances anymore like years past. And the woman are mostly non contact on the lap dance. They flirt more at the bar without a drink then they do in the lap dance.

If you must go on the weekends than I suggest you spring for the VIP card. If you don't speak Spanish or very little ask the waiters which girls do and have them send them to you. Once you find one you click with get a private VIP dance. Sometimes you could get a BBJ and possibly more for about 30 bucks or so. If you want more you can go upstairs to finish the deed. ViP card gives a discount on laps and if it goes south you are only out half the money you would have spent had you just went straight upstairs. The best street girl action is HK back door, Next is Hotel. Ibiza and then 3rd is probably El. Porton across the street from Ibiza then Hotel Garcia. I suggest to get street girl for your first nut 8 PM is usually when the best ones start to come out. Think of it as an appetizer. Then go have dinner outside of the zona or chill in your room for a bit 10 PM is usually peak time In HK until about 230 AM. If you do not go on a regular basis don't expect to hit a home run on a Fri / Sat in HK. The girls are in full on mercenary mode unless you are a regular or she is really attracted to you. The 8's and 9's in HK under deliver about 90% of time unless you have an established relationship already. This is coming from somebody fluent in Spanish top physical shape and handsome, and I too have had bad experiences. Remember fellas attraction for women is not all about looks if you want a GFE you have to invest time. And money otherwise the escort route is your best bet as far as return on investment is concerned. If you enjoy the strip club circus rap video vibe then weekends are the best time to be there but have realistic expectations unless you are on the level of a Jay Z.

That Kleeenex guy has to be trolling. $600 for 3 hours LOL. For $600 she should have stayed with you 2-3 days straight haha.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2356755]I can never get 30 minutes at HK. All the time the girl cuts it off at the 15-20 minute mark. It's fucking ridiculous. They start telling me my time is up after 15 minutes of sex when we negotiated for a half hour in the bar? What the fuck is this? I just met with a girl who looked very good, a 10 in looks. She wanted $100 and I decided to go for it since she really looks stellar. I even bought her a drink and chatted with her for 10-15 minutes at a table prior to taking upstairs.

But she shorted me time. And the sex was not that good. She kept whining and commanding me to do things. She wouldn't let me enjoy myself and get in the moment. I'm paying this chick $100 what the hell? And again she wanted the money up front before anything happens.

How do you guys deal with this? Should I just not see the better looking girls? It's frustrating because you can't tell which girl will clock watch and end it at 15 minutes and which won't. The first girl I banged at HK I fucked her twice and we didn't negotiate that beforehand. There are definitely girls out there that want to provide a good service. But then there are girls that fucking cut it at 15 minutes.

Seriously guys I need help. I couldn't nut with the girl I paid $100 to. When a girl is whining at me during sex it already puts me in a bad mood. I think I'm better off seeing street girls and saving my money.[/QUOTE]Hi TerOnlyOnce! - My advice is if a girl gives good service, I repeat. This way I have 2 girls in HK and 3 girls in Adelita together 5 favorite girls with great service and I don't need more. I always have all styles and positions, the same price from $ 60 to $ 80, no problems, the girls are nice and have no bad mood. Even with some girls I am a friend on Facebook. But one weekend all 5 girls did not work and OMG disaster, I was with some new girl and of course bad service. So this is my advice.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357490]You shouldn't say $100 for 30 minutes, it's not 30 minutes. It's only 15 minutes of sex. I've been to Hong Kong, I've seen the girls. The amount of time you get of dick inside her and actual fucking is 15 minutes. The girl spends 5 minutes walking around your room, another 5 minutes playing in your shower, then she shaves the last 5 minutes off and leaves early as a courtesy cause she likes to steal money. So really they are false advertising since it should be "$100 for 25 minutes". But again, only 15 minutes of actual sex.[/QUOTE]OK. You've posted at length about how things OUGHT to be. Now let me tell you how things ARE. You don't seem to have traveled much. You are not in Mexico, you are in some weird border town area created primarily for gringos. HK is a classic Mexican clip joint. It is designed to separate you from your money as fast as possible, with little regard to you, the customer. It's a rule of thumb that, in Mexico, wherever gringos congregate, shitty service and high prices are sure to follow. That's the reality of the situation. What you choose to do about it is your responsibility.

Mexicans tend to live in the moment. A Hk BG even more so. You're one guy in a bar full of them. Unless you're a repeat it doesn't matter because she'll never see you again. Therefore, customer service is a low priority and extracting as much money as possible from the rich gringos is the top priority. Those are the facts going into the deal. Now, if you're getting 15 minutes, and she's leaving early, and things suck in general, that's on YOU, my friend. It's up to you to ensure she stays the entire time. It's up to you to tell her to shower on her own time.

No, you shouldn't have to "take charge. " Yes, they should be interested in customer service. But they are not, and will never. Those are the rules of the game, like them or not. Learn to play by them, or find another venue.

Oh, and if it matters, I think HK sucks and I almost never go there. I much prefer lower-key bars, indies, etc. But to each his own.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357488]For a typical newbie foreigner that goes to HK, what are his sex sessions like? If he's going for a girl on the hotter side then he should expect to pay $80 for 15 minutes of sex as a default.[/QUOTE]That's what this board is all about. And that's why I am here refuting your opinions. Yes, a naive gringo will walk into Hong Kong on a Saturday night and his eyes will bug out because there are hundreds of girls who could work at the hottest strip club in his town, and hundreds of guys who are vying for their attention, and he is overwhelmed. And he asks a girl "How much" and accepts her request of $80 or $100 and they head upstairs and OF COURSE she is interested in getting back down there to get another client.

And my point is that it does NOT have to be like that. You coming here and repeating your mantra of "$80 for 15 minutes" doesn't help. It makes guys think that's normal.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357488]I have no idea how you regularly get 40+ minutes for $60. Or which girls you are seeing. [/QUOTE]I'm getting 40 minutes because that's what I tell the girls I expect. And I'm getting $60 because I don't go to Hong Kong on Saturday night. If I did, I'd expect to pay $80. But I'd damn sure make certain she understood that I expected BBBJ and passion and for me to pay afterwards. Because I AM the customer, and it is MY money until she earns it.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357488]But from my experience the standard is $80 for 15 minutes. [/QUOTE]Repeating it won't make it true.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357488]This is objectively true, no one can deny this simple fact. You are paying a girl $80 for 15 minutes of sex. [/QUOTE]You may be paying her for 15 minutes of sex if you finish after 15 minutes. The rate does not include multiple pops. So if you finish after 15 minutes, yes, she will usually get dressed and leave. Not always. Sometimes they'll hang out a bit; relax until they are ready to head back down. But as mentioned, they want to earn as much money as possible, and a Saturday night is their big chance.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357488]Now, how about a street girl. Standard rate is $20 for 15 minutes of sex, and let's say the girl is an 8. Congratulations, you just paid 1/4th the amount compared to Hong Kong and you got a girl that's a little less hot.[/QUOTE]I agree, street girls are a great value -- until you negotiate the same level of service you expect from a bar girl. Then they merely become a *good* value. But that $20 you talk about is probably going to be the girl pulling down her pants (not taking off her top) and asking if you want her on her back or on her knees. If you want her to suck you, or to move to a different position, or to show you her tits, those are all extra. If not, congrats. You just paid $20 for a session with a Fleshlight.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357488]Spending something like $80 or $100 for 15 minutes of sex just seems stupid to me.[/QUOTE]Me too.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357488]To me this is just common sense but: a customer should NEVER have to stand up for themselves. [/QUOTE]Oh, then you must have gotten really lucky in life, my friend. I have to stand up for myself all the time.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357488]How about the bar girl, what if she tries to rip you off in the room? Now you've got $80 on the line. The risk is much higher. [/QUOTE]How so? If she tries to leave after 15 minutes you just tell her you won't pay her the full amount. She'll stay.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357488]Also here is a tip for newcomers to mexico. If you want to cross the border from mexico to the USA and the line is long and you have a flight to catch. DON'T panic and don't listen to any mexicans that try to talk you into a bus ride. These people will rip you off. A mexican guy lied to me and said a bus would take me to the airport for $40. In reality he bought a $7 ticket that took me ahead of the line and basically dropped me across the border. The guy LIED to me, the bus doesn't go to the airport, and stole $33 from me. [/QUOTE]Oh my god, a random guy offered you a deal and you accepted and it was a ripoff? I'm shocked! Is there a chance that the Rolex watch you bought also a fake? Man, you have to take some responsibility for yourself. You can't just be gullible and accepting and trusting of everyone. Of course there are people who will try to take advantage of rich foreigners. If you think that doesn't happen in America, you haven't traveled enough.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357488]If you need any help getting across the border when the line is long DO NOT SPEAK TO ANY MEXICANS! Look for the first gringo you see. Usually a white male, and ask simply about the bus that can take you across the border. Keep asking gringos that you see until one knows what you are talking about, they will speak english and explain things nicely for you. Do not talk to any mexicans and do not listen to any mexicans. Even if they speak english or try to scare you into thinking you will miss your flight. You may get scammed once like me but after that you will be experienced and won't have it happen to you again.[/QUOTE]Ohhhh, you're just a racist. Nevermind. I understand. OK. I got you. White men never do anything immoral.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357488]Also, from what I understand there is a shuttle that goes from the border to HK and from HK to the border for free. I have no idea where this shuttle is or how to use it, so I've always taken $3 ubers when I need to go to and from the border. If anyone has any idea how this works please share. Speaking extremely limited spanish really doesn't get you far here.[/QUOTE]Hong Kong has a limo stand right outside the front door. You ask the guy there for a ride to the border. You tip him $2 (or just $1 each if there are a few of you). If you want a shuttle from the border to Hong Kong you either call them and ask for them to pick you up at PedEast, or if you are at PedWest you walk a block to the shuttle garage and ride to Hong Kong from there. It's fairly convenient.

If readers of this board pay attention to (and follow in the footsteps) the rookie posters of this website. They will likely receive poor advise. They will make rookie mistakes and likely get crappy sex sessions.

I made my first trip to La Zona in October 2004. And before I went I spent several weeks reading multiple forums detailing how things worked in La Zona. Sure I still made rookie mistakes, like paying Monica forehead 300 pesos, but I continued to read and sharpen my skills.

I learned to always pay and negotiate in pesos and I learned to never ask a chica "How much?" because that invites the highest of quotes from the chicas which are hard to negotiate down to reasonable fees.

I learned that different bars have different customary fees. I learned that Street Girls in different locations throughout La Zona also had different customary fees and were more likely to assert a la cart pricing and services.

For me low-ball initial offers seem to work well (not asking a chicas "How much? It grounds the chicas expectations and is more likely to lead to reasonable fees.

Remember, don't let rookies tell you how things are. Unless you want to remain a perpetual rookie like some of the board members here.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357490]You shouldn't say $100 for 30 minutes, it's not 30 minutes. It's only 15 minutes of sex. I've been to Hong Kong, I've seen the girls. The amount of time you get of dick inside her and actual fucking is 15 minutes. The girl spends 5 minutes walking around your room, another 5 minutes playing in your shower, then she shaves the last 5 minutes off and leaves early as a courtesy cause she likes to steal money. So really they are false advertising since it should be "$100 for 25 minutes". But again, only 15 minutes of actual sex.[/QUOTE]Believe it or not, others have experiences that don't line up with yours. I've been going to HK for almost four years and my experience has been the polar opposite of what you've been posting. I get GFE about 90% of the time. You just have to pay really close attention to the girls' body language and wait until you find a girl who feels like she's going to give you a good time. And for God's sake, RTFF. You'll probably find that you can optimize your approach in many different aspects.

And based on some of the other difficulties you've begun reporting, it seems you probably have the appearance and or demeanor of an easy target. You best change that up because all sorts of people in this town have a sixth sense for an easy opportunity for a rip off.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357488]The point I'm making here is that 95% of these girls have 0 customer service skills. I have no idea how you regularly get 40+ minutes for $60.[/QUOTE]How are your interactions with them? Forget language, most communication is body and tone anyway. I mess around elsewhere too and get great service from 80% of them. If they're beyond what I want to pay, I decline and move on. Otherwise I just take a risk and see if their rates match their service.

Idk, I just put in a bit of effort to treat them like normal non-working girls and skip negotiating over $20 as it feels counterproductive to the relaxed, frictionless vibe and GFE I prefer. I thought the $600/10 HR overnight GFE with an 8 was a pretty good deal, no? I think I spent 5 condoms on her. One pop though, I just take my time. More like extended GFE as we've been exchanging casual texts daily since.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357488]It's like going to a car mechanic and paying to have him fix your car. The guy should just do it and do a good job. You shouldn't have to press him and twist him to get him to do a good job. If you do then he is simply a piece of shit and should be out of business.

To me this is just common sense but: a customer should NEVER have to stand up for themselves. [/QUOTE]Sign me up for that utopia please. Not sure if Tijuana is a likely place for that though.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357488]Let's focus on the objective facts here. I assume we are both intelligent people and can look at some numbers and simply determine what is the best bang for your buck. [/QUOTE]I work in tech and you've just done more analysis than I've done at work all year and killed my boner. Did not expect this regarding working girls LOL.

There were plenty good advice here. I'd just recommend:

1. Adopt KC Questor's dominant mindset of "I'm the customer and this is what I want, else I move on" and demand your $80/40 minutes or whatever and see what you get, or.

2. Sip on a drink, chill, warm her up, and if she doesn't seem hasty and money hungry, bid farewell to an extra $20 and friction, and see what you get.

I'll likely be heading down on the weekend between Labor Day and Mexican Independence Day weekends. Curious now to see what I can get from 9's and 10's at HK LOL.

So I'm back home from my trip and I just wanted to clear up some things. I'll start with the objective facts:

I stayed for 3 nights, Thurs-Saturday. From working the numbers, the bar girls are not worth it. They typically fuck you for 15 minutes total. The rest of the time is spent walking around your room, using your shower, and getting dressed. The girls factor in their "prep" time after having sex into your 30 minutes of time. So basically, they spend 10 minutes just showering, getting dressed, and leaving, and taking it off the top of your time. This is the default for most of the girls there.

Now for my thoughts on this: again, as a customer you should never have to stand up for yourself. This is my opinion, but when you hold the dollars, you should be getting exactly what you want. You shouldn't have to negotiate further. It's a simple transaction: here's the money, now deliver me the quality service. If you don't get the quality service, then the girl is a piece of shit and you shouldn't see her again. The problem is almost all the bar girls give shit service. They've been conditioned to do so. They don't care about customer service as another user mentioned. The system is set up to extract as much money from stupid gringos as possible because a ton cycle through Hong Kong every weekend. It's very profitable for Hong Kong and the girls, and not a great service for you, the customer. The solution? Don't go to Hong Kong. Don't go to the bars. Seriously. It's really that simple. Of course there will be the never ending stream of gringos going in and out of Hong Kong. But as long as you are smart enough to steer clear and get the service that your money is worth, then you are ALL good.

I recommend street girls and maybe escorts (have never done escorts). Street girls are very cheap and you can find girls that are just as hot. Honestly you're better off finding 3-5 girls that you really like and that give good service, getting their contact info, and setting up private paid dates with them through messaging. That's probably the most effective way to use your money.

As far as the "$20 to fuck a fleshlight" statement: let's be honest, a majority of the bar girls taking $80 for 15 minutes don't give a girlfriend experience anyway.

[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2357490]You shouldn't say $100 for 30 minutes, it's not 30 minutes. It's only 15 minutes of sex. I've been to Hong Kong, I've seen the girls. The amount of time you get of dick inside her and actual fucking is 15 minutes. The girl spends 5 minutes walking around your room, another 5 minutes playing in your shower, then she shaves the last 5 minutes off and leaves early as a courtesy cause she likes to steal money. So really they are false advertising since it should be "$100 for 25 minutes". But again, only 15 minutes of actual sex.[/QUOTE]You actually got a Hong Kong chica to go in the shower before having sex?

Good for you!