FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=HornyHarry;1904358]Over my visits to Sharks I've talked to many girls who told me that they were thinking about leaving due to "bad business".[/QUOTE]Ecomonic conditions aside, could it be that the FKK experience (which I believe started around 2004?) has simply lost its lustre for some guys. Any regular reader of this forum would be aware that many guys visit these clubs very frequently, as the low-and-never-changing pricing allows them to do so. Maybe its just been too much of a good thing for some, and they have either cut back or given it away. I have been visiting FKKs since 2012, and I can't see much change in what is on offer. I fear after a while it gets harder & harder to get the same thrill from doing essentially the same thing over & over. And, I think many of us have occassion to pause and think of how much money we spend on this pursuit.

Prostitution is legal where I live, and I went from being an enthusiastic devotee of my local scene to a totally disinterested non-participant. There were a few mitigating factors (the emergence of an everythings-an-extra pricing model, more of the good-looking girls becoming Internet-promoted high-priced escorts instead of working in brothels), but mostly it was an increasing sense of dissatisfaction bordering on frustration that ultimately drove me away.

I like now being an infrequent overseas visitor to the FKK scene, as I can indulge for a few days without tiring of it.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1904356]How long since you went to 18 sauna? [/QUOTE]In 2014. Darling sauna was also really good.

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Baccara (pattaya and soi cowboy), Happy A GoGo in pattaya and rainbow 2 and 4 in nana has a few stunners, but I don't know if any single gogo beats out a single fkk. Maybe if you merge the districts they do though... same with angeles in philippines.[/QUOTE]Those bars you mentioned were not the best for me. Sapphire, Sensations and Iron in Pattaya had highest number of 8's and 9's. Easily comparable to any FKK. But comparing agogos to FKK's is not even-handed. Like comparing Thai red curry to a Wiener Schnitzel; both are great in their own category. Thai girls (and asians generally) are obviously different species than romanians.

How many 9's do you find at Sharks on a busy day? I have found a lot of 7's and 8's during my visits. Maybe I am just setting too high bar for myself. Coming from past experiences. Anyway I prefer a club of 30 girls with three 9's to a club of 80 girls having 20 8's.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1904356]Baccara (pattaya and soi cowboy), Happy A GoGo in pattaya and rainbow 2 and 4 in nana has a few stunners, but I don't know if any single gogo beats out a single fkk.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about comparing certain gogo bars to certain FKK's or Sharks itself? If I removed sharks and GT I could list a few gogo bars I would take over a main FKK lineup. If you were to include GT and Sharks, I would take Thermae bar in Bangkok and Sensations in Pattaya over any FKK. Thermae goes by pure quantity with 200+ girls nightly. Sensations gogo is just pure beauty. Had to be close to 140 girls there last night but usually 120 is about the norm. Having said that, I love Asian mix looking girls as much as Germans / Romies.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;1904225]Sharks is quite good, but not exceptional at the moment, without Megan and soon Ilka, not better than on July 2015, for me, but at the moment, best casting in FRA, and only GT can compete for look, at the moment, even Aca is lower, but Aca will improve after Ramadan.
[/QUOTE]Thanks Siri, this is what I anticipated. How does Globe in Zurich compete with best German clubs in terms of talent?

[QUOTE=FinnishFucker;1904404]Thanks Siri, this is what I anticipated. How does Globe in Zurich compete with best German clubs in terms of talent?[/QUOTE]Girls at Globe are not really prettier than at Sharks, or Aca a few months ago, or GT when on top. No beauty like Megan or Valentina Aca, only average look is higher with better care which makes girls look classier. Those who experienced Alice / Kate know her woman level, my Globe girl, Steffi. Ro was a more passionate GF and my Sunday girl, coming from Zurich, was my best in room, she just smells sensuality and sexuality, even not my prettiest girl. To confirm tomorrow, but GFE level, I look for, seems very high in Switzerland, or I was lucky?

But it s more expensive, and I met high GFE level girls at Sharks: Aylice. Bu, Ariana during her first month, Ilka for our first chalet, or Amira at World, sometimes for only 50.

Lavinia ex Bianka World is also at Sharks.

Thermae is pure luck. 200 girls sure, but just normal girls next door. I have a friend who likes it. I personally have a hard time finding stunners there. Maybe 2-3 good 8 girls I like at the best nights. Only found 1 or 2 9s there in total after 20ish visits. Discos are way way better then. Sensations and Iron surely has lookers, but more the model type than the sexy shorter type of Baccara and rainbow. Then again its good we have different taste. I also feel the same about sharks vs Oase. Oase has more the sexy shorter type in my opinion.

But a 8 or a 9 Asian girl is not allays comparable to an 8 or a 9 European girl either. I do agree 3 9's beat 20 8s though.

Then again the only place I've ever seen 3 9s in one club or place in Asia was 18 sauna in 2011 or 2012. Seen 2 9s many times though. Oase always the last year, Artemis occasionally and recently Oceans has 3 9s for me,
palace has 2 or 3 as well normally. Sharks I don't know anyone. Perhaps one if I'm nice.

Runner up for Macau saunas are east spa and east castle spa (never been to castle, but was at Sanado which was its forerunner where they just moved the girls from and closed when castle opened). Better service than at 18, but maybe not like the darling fishbowl service. Then again darling also seemed to get worse and worse lineup the days I used to go there as well, east and east castle has a higher percentage of 8s and 9s than the 18/emperor/Rio group has.

BB: I know we are derailing here, but 140 girls in sensations? Have they built out? Even the largest gogo's only have 3 rotations of 2 x 20 girls. Or 2 rotations of 3 x 20 girls. So that is 120 girls maximum for both Baccaras and rainbow 4 (Soi cowboy Baccara has a bit more, but I don't know how many exactly). Sensations only has 2 stages with just 2 lineups of 20 girls each if I'm not wrong. So that's 80 girls. Unless they changed to 3 rotation in the past 12 months? But the club is way too small in square feet to house enough customers for that I would presume. (My calculation of 20 girls per stage is even high. Most nights 12-15 per stage is the norm. But that's because some girls take days off).

Thailand is good for quantity. But quality is harder to find. You need about twice as many girls to get the same amount of 8s and 9s, the best Macau saunas has more a 1:1 optics ratio with a top FKK though but the biggest difference between Asia and europe is that while in europe the girls try to fix their bodies, in Asia they try to fix their faces. The amount of makeup, braces, bad teeth and nose jobs can be a bit overwhelming sometimes.
Try to hit up Rio sauna in macau and count the amount of girls without a nosejob, or eyejob. You won't even finnish one hand. Lol

[QUOTE=Pistons;1904525]BB: I know we are derailing here, but 140 girls in sensations?
[/QUOTE]Some more derailing but I'll keep it short, I'd have to agree with BB on his overall number. Yes the stage only holds so many girls but you have to count all those freelance girls in the front of the club that easily add 50 to the girls on the stage.

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Thailand is good for quantity. But quality is harder to find. [/QUOTE]I'd have to argue that with a great number of potential targets you'd find more quality choices. If sharks had five times the number of girls working there I'd expect to find five times the number of quality girls to choose from. So if this assumption is correct, if I was to walk into every gogo, beer bar etc in Pattaya and look over the 2000 girls on stage I'd expect the same quality to quantity numbers that I'd find in Sharks with their 60 girls on hand. I'd expect 10 out of those 60 to be to my liking, another 10 to be acceptable. So if the numbers work out the same for Pattaya I'd expect 200 to be to my liking and another 200 to be acceptable. The problem is there's just too many choices.

Well, sensations only have about 4 door girls. The rest in front of the club works the off-rotation. But they have only had 2 rotations when I've been there. I agree there are more girls in Thailand though, but the percentages of lookers are about half. That was my point if you read my comment. And it seems we agree.

Hey girls. This is the Sharks thread. Go discuss asiapussy somewhere else.

HB.

Made a quick visit to Shark on Sunday, Jul 3rd. Sirioja, it was nice chatting with you and finally get to know a lot of the names mentioned here. I was here two weeks ago and I must say I saw a few new faces. I still prefer Sharks lineup the best. This is after I was at GT and LR on Fri and Sat. Went with familiar faces:

[B]Ester[/B] first session with her were always passionate. I repeated with her later on and was just chilling in the jacuzzi and the cave.

[B]Nicolette[/B] She has a great DFK and BBBJ skill, nice and sweet girl.

[B]Ilka[/B] She came out of the room while I was talking to Sirioja, funny girl in the room. Finally got her to DFK and it was nice.

[B]Helli[/B] I guess she came back from her vacation sooner than she was telling me. She will head back to ROM again soon though. No need to say much about her. One of my all-time favorites, also as a person.

[B]Abru[/B] short, mix of Turkish and ROM, fluent in German, a lot of tattoos. I would normally not go with these type of girls but I find her attractive (specially her eyes) and she is actually sweet in the room. Great DFK. BBBJ was also excellent. She always stays late so I normally grab her for an hour before closing to guarantee a great session before I go home.

Saw [B]Megan[/B] as she was leaving the club in the early afternoon. I guess after her session with you, Sirioja? She was heading back to ROM on Mon so she was leaving early. Miss her again on this trip.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1904646]Hey girls. This is the Sharks thread. Go discuss asiapussy somewhere else.

HB.[/QUOTE]How is it different than us discussing Globe here? That should be in the Switzerland thread.

To keep on the Sharks topic, Ilka is hot.

Short answer re. Sensations in Thailand. Last night there were 6 groups of 20+ girls on stage rotation which is the norm for a weeknight. Baccara BKK had about 80-100 girls Saturday. Rainbow 4 had about 40 girls Saturday but almost every one looked good. I don't do beer bars. It's like looking at 10,000 Sylvana at Sharks. Added the last sentence to keep in the Sharks context.

Nice you introduced You to me. Even without Megan and I wish her the best for her, you had a great sporty day. I couldn't compete with only 3 rooms, but one of my best, on this last Sunday. Casting was quite good on this Sunday, when we read your girls and also Dina, Nelli. Ro, Steffi, Paloma, Stephanie. FR, Sandra, Evita, Agnes, Roxana, Melani. GT had also good casting on Saturday for me, but less GF girls.

[QUOTE=ShoesAndSocks;1904391]Ecomonic conditions aside, could it be that the FKK experience (which I believe started around 2004?) has simply lost its lustre for some guys. Any regular reader of this forum would be aware that many guys visit these clubs very frequently, as the low-and-never-changing pricing allows them to do so. Maybe its just been too much of a good thing for some, and they have either cut back or given it away. I have been visiting FKKs since 2012, and I can't see much change in what is on offer. I fear after a while it gets harder & harder to get the same thrill from doing essentially the same thing over & over. And, I think many of us have occassion to pause and think of how much money we spend on this pursuit.

Prostitution is legal where I live, and I went from being an enthusiastic devotee of my local scene to a totally disinterested non-participant. There were a few mitigating factors (the emergence of an everythings-an-extra pricing model, more of the good-looking girls becoming Internet-promoted high-priced escorts instead of working in brothels), but mostly it was an increasing sense of dissatisfaction bordering on frustration that ultimately drove me away.

I like now being an infrequent overseas visitor to the FKK scene, as I can indulge for a few days without tiring of it.[/QUOTE]Yes the prices have stayed essentially the same since I started at FKK in 2004 in Duesseldorf and Stuttgart, Palace 2005.

It is therefore less attractive for the girls since their is no price rise for inflation. The man levels drop away despite being ever more affordable.

I fear the whole thing could die out. Girls have to find ways to make more money.

This Utopia may not last forever. Its the imbalance of Euro economies that helps make it work.

Like others, FKK convinced ne easily to give up mongering in my home country, where girls were crap by comparison.

I now am so used to girls being undressed, that it is almost the only way I can decide I want a session. No surprises.

In hime country, a hooker wears clithes. Who knows what is underneath. Too much risk for a high price and sessions are just procedural, no GFE likely.

Enjoy FKK while it lasts. I guess 50 is not same motivation for a girl as it was in 2004.

Syz: good point. The problem is just that the upsells are 'fixed' at +100% of the price. If it had been 60 or even 65 or 70 e for a 40 min with more inclusive I think it would work to the benefit of the girls. Tipping your favourites also helps. But the +100% upsells is the way most girls have cooped with this situation, and it seems to be just turning away customers.

Economics does after all talk about small incremental increases. And sales is usually about deals which both parties like.

BB: guess things have changed there then. But did you read the whiteboards, or just made your own counts? Besides, Sylvanas has as much life experience as 10 of these Thai girls, so you will get more life experience included on a Sharks visit than a Sensations visit. Just a tip for you as I never derail any threads...