1. There's been war in the east of Ukraine recently.
2. Lots of Ukrainians aren't fond of foreigners, especially what I think is your type. If you're not white I don't recommend going.
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1. There's been war in the east of Ukraine recently.
2. Lots of Ukrainians aren't fond of foreigners, especially what I think is your type. If you're not white I don't recommend going.
[QUOTE=Ararat;2154055]1. There's been war in the east of Ukraine recently.
2. Lots of Ukrainians aren't fond of foreigners, especially what I think is your type. If you're not white I don't recommend going.[/QUOTE]In the last 3 days I have been chatting with a couple of WG's on WhatsApp all of them seem to be respondi positively!
[QUOTE=Jooeey;2154060]In the last 3 days I have been chatting with a couple of WG's on WhatsApp all of them seem to be respondi positively![/QUOTE]Like they do everywhere, for the most part, but it doesn't change anything with regard to the safety issues.
[QUOTE=Jooeey;2153914]What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]I think you should be posting in the Ukraine threads and asking guys over there. The ones who will have the most experience with Ukraine. I recommend that you contact a monger going by "FiddyCent" who posts on this site. He has spent time in both Germany and the Ukraine. Me? I'll stick to meeting Ukrainian pussy that has migrated to the west, like "Daniela" at FKK Palace who tells me how much she likes "fucking with me" hehehe!
[QUOTE=Jooeey;2154060]In the last 3 days I have been chatting with a couple of WG's on WhatsApp all of them seem to be respondi positively![/QUOTE]That changes it. If you make it back to India with all your limbs intact you can tell everyone about your adventures.
So a common struggle of hardcore mongers here and on the German forums is to maintain the high quality 50 euro half hour room. On the surface, it is a fight against the upselling WGs. But in reality it is a fight against inflation and time, a fight that is destined for defeat. I've long given up on expecting a great 50 euro room but take it as a nice bonus when found or a privelige with regulars who I've spent 1 hour rooms. More and more I am on the side of the WGs. Now, I would never pay 100 euro for a quality half hour and don't really go for the 100 euro CIM half hour but I concede that 100 euro per hour is a fair rate. Considering that we have paid these girls the same rate for about two decades now while the price of everything else has increased, it does seem fair to find a middle ground. We often villainize these girs for being too money hungry but considering the suppressed rate in relation to inflation for at least 16 years, aren't we the ones being unrealistic here?
I can't fault guys who want to keep prices low but I'm not sure I want to stress myself fighting for a losing cause. I'll pay for the club rate hour and enjoy taking my time without having to feel the pressure of having to cum within a half-hour 3 times a day. Not to convince you guys that you should concede entirely and pay more for a half-hour, but wouldn't it be fair to stop villainizing the girls who withold their best performance during a half hour session?
Please discuss. (Or throw virtual tomatoes at me).
I'm perfectly happy to commit to an hour room if I already know the girl and I am happy with her.
The trouble is when I don't know the girl yet. I am not going to commit to an hour upfront on an unknown girl because I need to be able to abort if we don't get along for whatever reason.
Not often, but sometimes, I may want or need to do a half hour room (sometimes schedule issues). In these cases, if the girl is one of my good girls, I add in a small tip so the girl doesn't feel bad about me just doing a fiddy room with her. But, I don't generally tip on 1 hour or more rooms (most of my rooms are long rooms).
Just me.
[QUOTE=Takedown;2154233]So a common struggle of hardcore mongers here and on the German forums is to maintain the high quality 50 euro half hour room. On the surface, it is a fight against the upselling WGs. But in reality it is a fight against inflation and time, a fight that is destined for defeat. I've long given up on expecting a great 50 euro room but take it as a nice bonus when found or a privelige with regulars who I've spent 1 hour rooms. More and more I am on the side of the WGs. Now, I would never pay 100 euro for a quality half hour and don't really go for the 100 euro CIM half hour but I concede that 100 euro per hour is a fair rate. Considering that we have paid these girls the same rate for about two decades now while the price of everything else has increased, it does seem fair to find a middle ground. We often villainize these girs for being too money hungry but considering the suppressed rate in relation to inflation for at least 16 years, aren't we the ones being unrealistic here?
I can't fault guys who want to keep prices low but I'm not sure I want to stress myself fighting for a losing cause. I'll pay for the club rate hour and enjoy taking my time without having to feel the pressure of having to cum within a half-hour 3 times a day. Not to convince you guys that you should concede entirely and pay more for a half-hour, but wouldn't it be fair to stop villainizing the girls who withold their best performance during a half hour session?
Please discuss. (Or throw virtual tomatoes🍅 at me).[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=UltraHappy;2154237]I'm perfectly happy to commit to an hour room if I already know the girl and I am happy with her.
The trouble is when I don't know the girl yet. I am not going to commit to an hour upfront on an unknown girl because I need to be able to abort if we don't get along for whatever reason.
Not often, but sometimes, I may want or need to do a half hour room (sometimes schedule issues). In these cases, if the girl is one of my good girls, I add in a small tip so the girl doesn't feel bad about me just doing a fiddy room with her. But, I don't generally tip on 1 hour or more rooms (most of my rooms are long rooms).
Just me.[/QUOTE]I personally think it is okay to leave at the half hour if it is not a good room. Explain that to her, she would not hesitate to abort if the roles were reversed.
But the question really pertains to the half hour only seekers. It's a losing battle to expect the same quality for the same price found in 2002. Back then I paid $30 to fill up my gas tank and $30/ month for cell phone service. Now it takes $60 for gas and $70 for my phone plan. Girls are subject to these same price increases in their lives.
[QUOTE=Takedown;2154233]So a common struggle of hardcore mongers here and on the German forums is to maintain the high quality 50 euro half hour room. On the surface, it is a fight against the upselling WGs. But in reality it is a fight against inflation and time, a fight that is destined for defeat. I've long given up on expecting a great 50 euro room but take it as a nice bonus when found or a privelige with regulars who I've spent 1 hour rooms. More and more I am on the side of the WGs. Now, I would never pay 100 euro for a quality half hour and don't really go for the 100 euro CIM half hour but I concede that 100 euro per hour is a fair rate. Considering that we have paid these girls the same rate for about two decades now while the price of everything else has increased, it does seem fair to find a middle ground. We often villainize these girs for being too money hungry but considering the suppressed rate in relation to inflation for at least 16 years, aren't we the ones being unrealistic here?
I can't fault guys who want to keep prices low but I'm not sure I want to stress myself fighting for a losing cause. I'll pay for the club rate hour and enjoy taking my time without having to feel the pressure of having to cum within a half-hour 3 times a day. [/QUOTE]Well girls have choice to give me lousy service and get my 50 euro or give me good service and get more euro from me. As long as it is reasonable up sell exchange for good service I will take it, if it is broken I cut session at 30 min and she get 50 euro, for the rest take it to the desk.
[QUOTE=Ararat;2154148]That changes it. If you make it back to India with all your limbs intact you can tell everyone about your adventures.[/QUOTE]Ok That's smart You did go through all my earlier posts didn't you? :) The entire history of all my posting on this site to figure that out! Didn't you ? :)
[QUOTE=Takedown;2154245]I personally think it is okay to leave at the half hour if it is not a good room. Explain that to her, she would not hesitate to abort if the roles were reversed.[/QUOTE]It would be great if it worked like this but what do you do if the girl takes you to the reception and says "he promised to go with me for one hour and I gave him the good one hour service. If he told me he wanted only 30 minutes he had to pay extra" ?
[QUOTE]But the question really pertains to the half hour only seekers. It's a losing battle to expect the same quality for the same price found in 2002. Back then I paid $30 to fill up my gas tank and $30/ month for cell phone service. Now it takes $60 for gas and $70 for my phone plan. Girls are subject to these same price increases in their lives.[/QUOTE]Actually I pay less now for my mobile phone, for the internet and I don't pay anymore for my house phone. I know the inflation is running but if you look closely, there is still more supply than demand in the clubs. The girls are not working non-stop. In NRW 4 years ago, the cost of the hour went from 75 € to 100 €, that's +33%, really more than the inflation rate.
Some of you fly over the ocean to come here with a big budget and say "even at 70 € for 30 minutes it's still cheaper and better than the USA". I remember reading a guy saying that 10.000 $/ month or something like that was a middle class salary in NY. Let's be realistic, that's 3 times more than a good salary in Western Europe! We can't all spend thousands of euros on 2 or 3 days of clubbing. I'll keep on alternating between 30 minutes and 1 hour sessions (and from times to times longer sessions) because I can't afford to spend more. If the girls think that's not a good salary, maybe then can try the new McDonalds wich opened in Bucarest.
Committing to one hour and leaving at the 30 min mark will work once, then you will have trouble finding another girl. And she will make trouble at the reception as well, as you agreed on 100€ beforehand.
Yes, prices have been stable at 50€/30 min for 18 years. Still this is the official rate. I would probably not mind to pay extra for kissing, if it was not 50€ extra. But that's the only unit girls can think in. That's the same rate as a half hour of sex and BJ and too high. I also think prices for CIM were and for anal are too high outside NRW. If it were NRW prices I'the do more extras and girls would make more money. Had that discussion with many girls who never worked in NRW, they can't follow my maths. They get upset if you suggest NRW pricing.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2154307]It would be great if it worked like this but what do you do if the girl takes you to the reception and says "he promised to go with me for one hour and I gave him the good one hour service. If he told me he wanted only 30 minutes he had to pay extra" ?[/QUOTE]Don't worry about that, the girls know that reception won't hold you accountable. Lara at Oase and Lily at Sharks both threathened me with reception. Both backed down when I told them I had no problem talking to the lady at the front. The club really only cares for time and perhaps things like anal. I bet CIM is not a valid complaint, with bb being illegal and all.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2154307]Actually I pay less now for my mobile phone, for the internet and I don't pay anymore for my house phone. I know the inflation is running but if you look closely, there is still more supply than demand in the clubs. The girls are not working non-stop. In NRW 4 years ago, the cost of the hour went from 75 to 100 , that's +33%, really more than the inflation rate.
Some of you fly over the ocean to come here with a big budget and say "even at 70 for 30 minutes it's still cheaper and better than the USA". I remember reading a guy saying that 10.000 $/ month or something like that was a middle class salary in NY. Let's be realistic, that's 3 times more than a good salary in Western Europe! We can't all spend thousands of euros on 2 or 3 days of clubbing. I'll keep on alternating between 30 minutes and 1 hour sessions (and from times to times longer sessions) because I can't afford to spend more. If the girls think that's not a good salary, maybe then can try the new McDonalds wich opened in Bucarest.[/QUOTE]Don't focus on the specific numbers of the phone bills, it was just to show that things cost more in 2018 than in 2002. As far as 75 euro to 100 euro hour in NRW, that's what I mean, the 100 euro hour is fair but the 50 euro half hour is stagnant, although I miss those great days when I could enjoy a girl for 2 hours, only for 150!
Anyway, the guys are not at fault to try and save some money and I'm not advocating for a higher half-hour rate. What I mean is that it is a little unfair to villainize a girl for wanting a higher wage when there hasn't been a pay increase in 16 years (for the half hour rate.). Imagine if your job did not give you a raise for 16 years! If her way to make more money is a two tier pricing system, then I can't blame her, as long as she is honest and delivers the good service.
[QUOTE=MrHo;2153950]Well I never stay too late at GT as I got to take train back to duss hbf.
But I never seen any girls coming in after around 4 or 5 pm, which I kind of noticed as last time the girls are coming in.
I would say upon opening girls are coming in till like 2 pm when you see 80 % of line up and from 3 pm till like 5 pm, last set of girls about max 7 girls do come in, then by 5 pm, you have the full line up for the day.
This is what I thought about GT line up formation.
Can anyone tells me about Oase, is full line up there by let say 2 pm or is it more of night club like where at 8 pm you get more girls coming in.
I tend to think with my experience that in side city club like Palace or Artemis or oceans is more night shift club where girls comes in later on and from 5 pm to 8 pm ish you get good full line up coming in.
And outside town club like GT etc. Are more day time club where you got almost full line up by 2 pm and few more comes in till like 4 pm.[/QUOTE]Full Oase casting is after 5 pm, with short day team leaving about 9 pm.
Nearly full GT casting is about 3/4 pm. Trinity. Est back at GT.
[QUOTE=Takedown;2154361]Anyway, the guys are not at fault to try and save some money and I'm not advocating for a higher half-hour rate. What I mean is that it is a little unfair to villainize a girl for wanting a higher wage when there hasn't been a pay increase in 16 years (for the half hour rate.). Imagine if your job did not give you a raise for 16 years! If her way to make more money is a two tier pricing system, then I can't blame her, as long as she is honest and delivers the good service.[/QUOTE]Your statement assumes that a girl has been in the business for 16 years. The truth is that most will only work in the industry for a very small fraction of that time, and nothing near a full 16 years. So, why should they be able to come in for more than the established 50 euros per half hour? They can't make the argument that they haven't had a raise in 16 years because they (virtually none of them) have worked that long. Nor will they ever. Is it because the price of milk and butter is higher? Well, that's not my concern.
And neither is it theirs really. All most of these tutes want is to buy another Gucci handbag and go out partying in a BMW and put stuff up their noses. And here's the kicker. Since when did earning 50 euros for a half hour of work become insufficient wages? Do you know how many people would kill to have a job like that? Fifty euros for a half hour of work is nothing to sneeze at, and these tutes should stop complaining! That's damn good money for the average person in the world by almost any account. I've no empathy for them.