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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1344051]Sorry to have beaten the odds and not having caught anything in 12 years of mongering and thousands of BBBJ. .

If you drive on German highways and you don't want to take the risk, drive 100km / h on the right lane. I love to go 240km / h on the left lane.

HB[/QUOTE]Congrats on your luck.

I am one of those who love to go 240 km / h in the left lane as well. But only when traffic is so thin that it is "relatively safe" and comfortable to do.

Almost everything comes down to some kind of reward to risk ratio. With OWO the value of the "reward" is subjective, but we can all have our opinion about it. The risks of STDs from OWO are very hard to know anything precise about.

Personaly I like to know in what kind of ballpark the probability of catching something lies in. Is it 10% per OWO blowjob? Or 1 in a million? In the first case I would definately stop with OWO. In the second case I would definately not.

There is so much crap information out there ranging from moralistic / religious propaganda saying "never do that. It is baaaaaaad", to risk ignorant mongers who are saying "I don't care or want to hear about it. I will never catch anything".

So I appreciate when people write in here, if they catch anything and at the same time tells how many girls they have been doing OWO with. That gives the rest of us a chance to guesstimate the actual risk.

[QUOTE=Frej Of Asgaard;1344078]I am one of those who love to go 240 km / h in the left lane as well. But only when traffic is so thin that it is "relatively safe" and comfortable to do.[/QUOTE]Good point. But risk of car accident exists even if you drive 100 km / hr. Look from this point. CBJ does not eliminate risk entirely. Just a quick example: you touch girls pussy, and then your own penis. Theoretically STD can be transmitted. To be sure, session should not include any non- covered contact, no BBBJ, no DFK and even LFK, no touching. But even that is not 100. Only your right hand can give 100% warranty. And I am thinking that "right hand" is better than session like that. I prefer 240 km / hr on left line (to be more exact 220 km / hr because not all rental cars can rum more).

[QUOTE=Frej Of Asgaard; 1344078]Congrats on your luck.

Personaly I like to know in what kind of ballpark the probability of catching something lies in. Is it 10% per OWO blowjob? Or 1 in a million? In the first case I would definately stop with OWO. In the second case I would definately not.

There is so much crap information out there ranging from moralistic / religious propaganda saying "never do that. It is baaaaaaad", to risk ignorant mongers who are saying "I don't care or want to hear about it. I will never catch anything".

So I appreciate when people write in here, if they catch anything and at the same time tells how many girls they have been doing OWO with. That gives the rest of us a chance to guesstimate the actual risk.[/QUOTE]20 to 30 girls within a period of 3 months nearly all weekly visit during my short stint in germany.

I agree with hb said it is a risk but well I have done my self evaluation and risk. And to me Fkking is a risk I can manage eventhough as long as not HIV. So on my next visit am bringing extra thick condom LOL never I will take the risk of condom breakage or any sorts. But yeah seriously I am going to play safe in that area. OWO is not a risk to me as the worst has happen LOL.

[QUOTE=Jymondor;1344092]Just a quick example: you touch girls pussy, and then your own penis. Theoretically STD can be transmitted. To be sure, session should not include any non- covered contact, no BBBJ, no DFK and even LFK, no touching. But even that is not 100. Only your right hand can give 100% warranty. And I am thinking that "right hand" is better than session like that.[/QUOTE]Use a body condom like they did in the naked gun movie.

[QUOTE=Breadman; 1344025]Stick to the fat working girls, they're much safer than the young hotties who are going back and forth to the room. Also avoid girls with hairy vagina's, that's camouflage for herpes anyday. Seriously though, std's are a risk anytime you bed someone new. Doesn't matter if its a working girl or your buddy's sister, everything comes with a risk. Have any of you guys taken a look at the partytreff section in the last year or two? Tons and tons of posts and links to bareback events. Why does it take a couple of posts here to rile you all up when there's hundreds of comments a thread over about barebacking? Here's a link to that section, go make those guys regret doing bareback for a few days.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?762-Germany-Partytreff-Clubs[/url][/QUOTE]Breadman I don't mean to make anyone regret. I am sharing information it is up to another person to evaluate it.

I totally agree with your statement that "std's are a risk anytime you bed someone new" but when you said this "Doesn't matter if its a working girl or your buddy's sister, everything comes with a risk"

-This is really inaccurate as I think my buddy's sister is not the same as a FKK prostitute that seems 10 men from all over the world in a day. Sex with a prostitute especially in FKK is way more risky breadman. There is a risk but the magnitude of the risk is different there LOL.

I don't comment on that barebacking thread as I will never visit those kind of plaec and I think men who go there don't have much to lose. In fact I think they just want an appointment with death IMHO. I didn't look at the link you gave as it serves no purpose to my needs.

[QUOTE=JJForum61; 1344071]With all due respect, STDs have nothing to do with marriage. You could spread select STDs if there is direct contact with infected skin.

Comparing apples and oranges. My job doesn't entail sleeping with hot chicks all day (although I wish it did, LOL). Not so in FKK, where there is a lot of fucking going on.

IMHO.[/QUOTE]Clarification, in case you missed it: A married monger is concerend about passing anything to his wife, much more than a non marreid one is concerned to pass it on to another woman. Yes, bad indeed, but such is life.

Yeah, I also understood that, but the comparison is wider: reporting people for any offense just on suspicion, is, to my opinion, a bad thing. In an FKK as much as anywhere else, since it affects similarly people's life.

For the rest, I am happy to leave you with the last word, hoping that we can close this discussion which is not specific to this thread, and has prevented any valuable info to be discussed since some time.

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub;1344051]If you drive on German highways and you don't want to take the risk, drive 100km / h on the right lane. I love to go 240km / h on the left lane.[/QUOTE]Now, driving at 240 [b]while[/b] getting a BBBJ from a teenage hooker and at the same time snorting a line of coke off the erect nipple of her mother, that is really living. Herpes be damned.

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1344247]Now, driving at 240 [b]while[/b] Getting a BBBJ from a teenage hooker and at the same time snorting a line of coke off the erect nipple of her mother, that is really living. Herpes be damned.

AM[/QUOTE]As you mention it: I've [b]had[/b] A BBBJ with CIM from a EE hooker at 120km / h on the A5.

HB

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1344326]As you mention it: I've [b]had[/b] A BBBJ with CIM from a EE hooker at 120km / h on the A5.

HB[/QUOTE]Now we're talking!

Guys-all this talk about STDs gets a little tiring. We all know the score. Now let's get back to telling hooker stories.

AM

Hi guys,

Just a few lines, not to spread further panic but this is something I found out a few years ago, after a lot of mongering and countless BBBJ.

More or less we are all aware of STD and safety, but before vowing we never caught anything, I suggest to be visited by an urologist (fingering) and most important, have an ecography. I'm not a doctor, but as far as I know the prostate is an organ more or less like the liver, doesn't tell you it's going broken until it is in bad conditions. So, we may not catch big diseases which might make us realize we actually caught something (herpes is not a big disease but you realize you got it) , but we may catch plenty of infections which damage our prostate without realizing it. An ecography can show calcifications, they are the scars left from the infections. You can't get rid of scars, the more you have the more infections you suffered (probably in the meantime you carried on happily "operating", probably passing germs to your "sex provider", who furtherly distributed if she was a professional giving BBBJ) and the less good is (and will be) the health of your prostate, with consequences to be paid by aging earlier in that precious part of our body. You may be 30 and have the prostate of a 65 year old man.

Anybody can do what they like best, but not everybody is aware of this (I wasn't) , so I posted it thinking it is a helpful info.

Cheers

[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1344377]Hi guys,

Just a few lines, not to spread further panic but this is something I found out a few years ago, after a lot of mongering and countless BBBJ.

More or less we are all aware of STD and safety, but before vowing we never caught anything, I suggest to be visited by an urologist (fingering) and most important, have an ecography. I'm not a doctor, but as far as I know the prostate is an organ more or less like the liver, doesn't tell you it's going broken until it is in bad conditions. So, we may not catch big diseases which might make us realize we actually caught something (herpes is not a big disease but you realize you got it) , but we may catch plenty of infections which damage our prostate without realizing it. An ecography can show calcifications, they are the scars left from the infections. You can't get rid of scars, the more you have the more infections you suffered (probably in the meantime you carried on happily "operating", probably passing germs to your "sex provider", who furtherly distributed if she was a professional giving BBBJ) and the less good is (and will be) the health of your prostate, with consequences to be paid by aging earlier in that precious part of our body.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Thank you for this info. I shall be aware of this!

[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1344377]Hi guys,

Just a few lines, not to spread further panic but this is something I found out a few years ago, after a lot of mongering and countless BBBJ.

More or less we are all aware of STD and safety, but before vowing we never caught anything, I suggest to be visited by an urologist (fingering) and most important, have an ecography. I'm not a doctor, but as far as I know the prostate is an organ more or less like the liver, doesn't tell you it's going broken until it is in bad conditions. So, we may not catch big diseases which might make us realize we actually caught something (herpes is not a big disease but you realize you got it) , but we may catch plenty of infections which damage our prostate without realizing it. An ecography can show calcifications, they are the scars left from the infections. You can't get rid of scars, the more you have the more infections you suffered (probably in the meantime you carried on happily "operating", probably passing germs to your "sex provider", who furtherly distributed if she was a professional giving BBBJ) and the less good is (and will be) the health of your prostate, with consequences to be paid by aging earlier in that precious part of our body. You may be 30 and have the prostate of a 65 year old man.

Anybody can do what they like best, but not everybody is aware of this (I wasn't) , so I posted it thinking it is a helpful info.

Cheers[/QUOTE]OMG! This reads as if it is taken directly from my favorite tabloid. Scaremongering, and totally rubbish.

But you can believe what you want, of course, and refrain of any human activity. Masturbating may be harmful as well, remember when your local priest told you? ? And even driving less than100 km / h on the right lane can be fatal! Better stay home, in bed, doing nothing, waiting for death to happen.

I am posting my reply here in the lounge thread and moving these posts from the Oase thread:

[QUOTE=Tjohoo; 1344631]Around 50-70% of us adults are carrying the herpes virus, in other words "has got herpes". Most of us don't even know that we are carrying it. Most people gets one outbreak in their whole life and then are not reminded of it any more. The first outbreak can come a long long time after infection. A few of us gets outbreaks now and then.

I don't think we can ask up to 70% of the worlds men and women to give up sex or mongering.

You might even be one of them without knowing it!

T[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Syzygies; 1344632]Thankfully someone is retaining some common sense here, rather than paranoia.

Look there could well be guys that are HIV+ too. Are they going to stop fucking? No way. Fortunately some diseases with no cure are much harder to catch. Just consider not doing BBFS and looking after your cleanliness carefully, whether it is your dick, ass, mouth or your hands. Choose girls that are carefully cleaned too. When I go for DATY I can tell if a pussy is really cleaned properly or not.[/QUOTE]Tjohoo, you are confusing two types of herpes here. The 70% number relates to HSV1 or the herpes simplex 1 virus, more commonly associated with cold sores of the mouth. What Captain Cabin is referring to on the other hand is HSV2, genital herpes. While the incident rate of HSV2 varies widely by geography and ethnicity, it is much less prevalent than HSV1, particularly in Western countries. According to.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_herpes_simplex[/url]

, in the US for example, incidence rates from a 1999-2004 study shows incidence rates of around 11-23.

HSV2 (genital herpes) is much more serious than HSV1 from a health standpoint. You can google herpes and read all about both types.

Still, you bring up a good point, that is that the incident rate is HSV2 (genital herpes) is not insignificantly small and especially given that many people are carriers who don't even know it, we must all acknowledge that there are probably plenty of Captain Cabins visiting the clubs. I found this article especially instructive:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpes_simplex[/url]

(plenty of citations to the source material cited). What I find especially worrisome is the fact that male condoms are only somewhat effective at reducing transmission of HSV2. So, it seems as Nordboer pointed out earlier, we are all just playing Russian Roulette here. The more we play, the higher the chance that our number will come up.

It's not clear to me that giving up BBBJ is the answer to limiting the risk of HSV2 infection. According to the web sites I read, transmission can occur even when wearing a condom during sex. And, although transmission by BBBJ is possible, it is unlikely because the HSV2 virus doesn't "like" to live in the mouth (although plenty of web sites acknowledge this is possible but rare). So, I don't even know if one is more likely to get HSV2 by sex when wearing condom or by getting BBBJ's.

I was just about to post the last part of Ultrahappy's post as well, I think you may be focusing a bit too much on BBBJs here.

Copied from Wikipedia:

Condom use is much more effective at preventing male to female transmission [of HSV 2] than vice-versa.

Condoms are good for HIV prevention and contraception but not a silver bullet for STDs. The occurrence of STDs varies a lot between individuals because different persons have different susceptibilities towards them, because of genetic makeup, general health and fitness level, age, existing conditions, sexual preferences etc. And last but not least simply the luck of the draw. So if one monger has not caught anything in 10000 encounters that may not be a good indication for another.

About the wiping (Oase thread). Actually this used to be commonplace in Germany too. And it would raise a lot of eyebrows, and even warnings in regional forums if a girl didn't do that, or even just did it poorly. And if you're used to it, it's not a big deal, almost like brushing your teeth in the morning. Some girls even understood to do it in a quite erotic way. But things have gone downhill (or uphill depending on your perspective) a lot on that. I do not remember an Oase girl ever doing that, and I've been there quite a bit at times. But it's also an illusion of sorts, since you can't get rid of any of the serious stuff by superficially cleaning parts of your body, and the world would be a lot easier if you could.

In general, unfortunately, one has to realize that 'not really that safe' practices like DFK, BBBJ, CIM that increased a lot in past years and also the girl hopping in FKK clubs have not exactly made the situation safer. Not to mention that AO also appears to be on the rise and, as you can read here, AO mongers will frequently visit FKKs soon after AO events.

But you always take risks in life and a discussion about that is pretty pointless, it's up to everyone himself to decide what risks to take and what not. I, for one, would be happy enough, if the regular health checks of the girls mandated by authorities would be taken more seriously, and maybe could be more frequent. But there appear to be significant lapses. For sure, club management could also take this more seriously, but many clubs don't care a lot.

This may be a dumb question, if so please skip.

I'm planning on visiting the clubs for a few straight days and on any given day I can usually finish 4 times. My goal is higher than that on my trip. Should I abstain before visiting to improve performance or do the opposite of that?

I do not take any medication and I am not interested in that.

Thank you for letting me ask the odd question.