Paris

Well, having a tight budget precludes the easy route. I'll have to try the time-intensive route.

I'm spoiled by the Asia scene. Cheap and easy.

If anyone in town is free for drinks this week, please don't hesitate to PM me.

i spend a fair amount of time in paris and have expended a significant amount if it and the corresponding euros in swing clubs. on my most recent trip i decided to explore saunas libertines to find out if they could be a lower cost alternative to the swing clubs. in a word, the answer is "no. " here are the details of what i found.

sauna club provence, 66 rue de provence, 75009, north side of rue de provence, just east of rue de la chaussee d’antin in the area north of the opera garnier. it’s necessary to ring the clearly marked buzzer at the street door and then get buzzed in to walk up one flight. i was there from about 2-4: 30 pm on a january wednesday. this was my first paris sauna libertines so it’s become the basis for my comparisons to other. to sum it up my experience at provence in terms of action, a young black guy with an outgoing personality could potentially have a good time there. one sixty-plus heavy-set woman with husband in tow did two young black guys while i was there. an attractive 30ish woman with hairy pits, which i personally enjoy, who was there alone, also did two black guys. unfortunately, all of the action took place behind closed and locked doors so myself and the ten other middle-aged white guys didn’t even get to see a show. as i was arriving, three couples were getting dressed and leaving. although they were couples, they had the look of not being married to each other and i’m guessing there they may have ducked in at lunch for some private time away from their own spouses. the place was the least clean of the four i’ve been to so far with towels, condom wrappers and even used condoms lying about. all but one of the eight or so small rooms rooms have doors so it’s not much of a place for voyeurs. provence has a steam room (hamman) that seats about six and a sauna of about the same size. one moderate sized towel is provided. left when there were at least ten men there without any apparently available women. i then jumped on the metro and went to club 13.

club 13 club sauna hamman, 13 rue dussoubs 75002, west side of dussoubs and south of rue reaumer. rue dussoubs is one street west of the infamous rue st. dennis. i was there from about 5-6: 30 pm on a january wednesday. this place is very small with few people in attendance but i was there on one of those right time, right place deals. the changing room and bar/lounge are on street level and everything else is downstairs. the bar/lounge seats a maximum of a bout a dozen and downstairs has a single shower, a small hamman, two small alcoves, one with a door but a window and some glory holes and the other with wrought iron bars and see through gauze netting plus a larger open room with banquettes around it and a final small open alcove. a towel, a sarong and one condom are provided. when i arrived there were one older woman, two middle-aged guys and a tranny sitting at the bar. so after changing i went downstairs and lucked in to the next car of a 40ish woman pulling a train. after a night on an airplane and several weeks of anticipation, it was exactly what i needed at the time if not exactly what i would have described as my dream. the tranny and one of the men were downstairs alone for a long time while i sat in the lounge waiting for something else to happen but no one else came in other than one other guy. i returned to club 13 at about the same time on the following friday. gangbang now seems to be the name of the game here. the most attractive of the four or five women servicing the 8 or so men was an athletic looking middle aged black woman whose husband/boyfriend was taking turns with whoever else wanted a go. of all the saunas, this is the most reliable place for action and is the one i’d head for if i had an itch requiring scratching and i wasn’t terribly picky about who scratched it for me. i’ll probably come back and try it some evening on my next trip to paris.

au sauna des buttes chaumont, (also known as "hippocampe") 11 rue pixerecourt 75020. from the gambetta metro stop rue pixerecourt is an extension of rue de la chine, which goes northbound from avenue gambetta going north from the metro. i was there from about 3-4: 30 on a january thursday. a towel, a sarong and one condom are provided. this place had potential in terms of facilities as it was very clean and had a number of door-less play areas (along with a bunch with doors) in addition to a nice sauna and hamman. unfortunately, it was actually a wasted walk uphill from the metro as i shared those facilities with the four guys who were there when i arrived plus the ten more who came while i sat around for an hour and a half. when the score gets to be twelve to zero, it’s time to forfeit this kind of game so i bailed out and headed to moon city, which i found via their ad in pariscope. simply because of the nice facilities and some positive reports i’ve read here and there, i think i’ll give chaumont another chance sometime in the future. by the way, the ritual at all of the saunas is the same: pay at a little window, or the bartender at club 13, get a sarong and/or towel plus a lock key on a wristband that usually also contains a condom, change into the sarong/towel and then go to it. they all save some sort of a lounge/bar area where patrons can drink and smoke.

moon city. 33 boulevard de clichy, right in the middle of pigalle sex sleaze and just to the east of the pigalle metro station in the north side of rue clichy. this place appeared to be nearly new and someone definitely sunk a very large pile of money into building it. the place is huge with a good sized locker room just upstairs from the entrance and then a huge bar and lounge and a jacuzzi worthy of a us swing club on the ground floor. upstairs are the sauna, hamman and a rabbit warren of little rooms, alas all with lockable doors. it’s decorated in pseudo-asian wood and stone and is very attractive. it could probably comfortably hold about 100 people but there were only about a dozen when i as there from about 5-7 pm on a january thursday. unfortunately, only two of the attendees were women, both stayed completely attached to their husbands/boyfriends and neither appeared to even so much as look at another man. the sole upside is that they were the youngest and most attractive women i saw at any sauna. several more guys arrived but no additional women during the time i was there. both couples eventually wandered upstairs and into a room, both with the usual procession of horny dogs, i mean guys, following behind them and both immediately closed and locked their doors. a number of the guys took turns peering through the keyholes but i have to draw the line of pride somewhere and so didn’t partake myself. if i just got off a long flight and wanted to go hang out in a nice place to use the sauna, hamman and whirlpool to relax, i’d go here. all of the doors don’t, however, don’t appear encouraging in terms of action. a sarong, towel, condom, pair of sandals and one drink are included with admission, which was 40 euros for me.

amphibi. 73 rue hallé 75014, metro alesia. this is the last place i tried. lucky it wasn’t the first or i never would have bothered going to any others. the place is in a residential neighborhood and is a good hike from the nearest metro station. the bad vibes started the moment i opened the door from the street. the little anteroom had various notices taped and peeling all over and looking through the payment window i saw piles of dirty towels and general crap lying all over. when the thin young guy in a white tank top became flustered about making change for my 50 euro note and told me he needed to get someone else, i saw a sign about "masculine and tranny" and told him not to bother with making change. the place advertises in pariscope as a "sauna libertine" for men and women but it’s such a shithole that i can’t imagine any women i know setting foot in the place, much less getting naked.

i planned to try some of these saunas again at other times but then, upon some more thought, decided to not bother as my time and money could be better spent. my conclusion is that sauna libertines, at least before evening hours, are primarily used as a rendezvous for couples who are not married to each other and who are not seeking company other than themselves. all but club 13 have many more private rooms than public play areas, entry cost for couples is low and cash payments are anonymous. i’ll try a few of these places again in the evening but just don’t see them as big opportunities for getting any action.

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I live in south Florida, the U.S. capital for swing clubs and been to a number of them in the U.S., Germany, the U.K. and France and thus have a pretty good foundation for comparison and have also become a bit particular about what I want from them. For anonymous, “fuck my wife, please” sex I’ve found it difficult to beat the Germans, especially at places like Beverly. If I’m in the mood for antiseptic rutting with as many women as possible and a maximum amount of orgasms I’ll head for a partytreff or Beverly. As has been mentioned on the partytreff section of the Germany board here, it’s difficult to beat the orgasm per Euro ratio of a good partytreff. But I’m normally in the mood for a bit of passion with my swing club sex and so, for me, that means Paris. It helps that I’m truly attracted to middle-aged French woman. Most in my experience remain thin with great legs, especially in stockings like they wear to clubs, know how to dress and know their sex. Plus they kiss and swallow – basically the antithesis of the women I find in American swing clubs.

My point of this prelude is to say that what I most want from a Parisian swing club is not necessarily the same as what I’ve read in other accounts on this board. I’m not necessarily just looking for only the youngest and best looking women and I’m not looking for the maximum number or orgasms per evening and I’m not looking to be the third or fourth guy in a three or four on one situation. That’s not to say, however, that I’ll turn down any of those opportunities if they manifest themselves. But what I’m really seeking are one-on-one situations that begin with a caress or a kiss and end with a swallow with pretty much everything else in between. And I’ve been remarkably successful in finding these situations in Paris clubs, especially Au Pluriel Club. Au Pluriel is at 13 rue Francois Miron, 75004, north side of rue Francois Miron, which is just south of rue de Rivoli and about three blocks west of the St Paul Metro station.

The key to getting what I want is that I’m a regular at Au Pluriel. Sonia and Loie the owners know me, the bartenders, know me, the coat check girl knows me and the guy who does the food downstairs know me. I always get in, no matter how many other people may or not be there. And most importantly, I’ve gotten to know the habits, and skills, of many of the regular couples. Swinging is a ritual for most couples, they do basically the same things every time and Au Pluriel itself is a ritual: the greetings at the door and bar, the hug from the coat check girl, the before dinner drink upstairs in the bar, buffet dinner downstairs, coffee back upstairs and then down to the lower levels for dancing and then on to playing. For me, it’s not just the sex, the ritual is part of the enjoyment of the evening.

Even some of the preliminaries have distinct appeal. I love the sight of women in stockings rather than pantyhose and, especially in the winter, everyone wears stockings and skirts are short enough to show them off. And living in the land of political correctness and sexual harassment hysteria, being able to reach under a woman’s skirt on the dance floor without getting slapped delivers its own set of forbidden fruit pleasures.

I probably find my one on one situations half the time I’m there and they have always been greatly satisfying sex. The other evenings it’s a matter of competing with the rest of the gene pool for those one on many situations but I very seldom leave without getting something. The times I have had those great one on ones, however, have required skill and luck and experience. Skill and experience, sometimes with specific couples, to know when they’re ready and when to make a move and then just plain stupid luck to be in the right place at the right time to even be able to apply the skill and experience. One huge benefit of being a regular patron is that situations more and more frequently find me. Women I’ve been with before and treated well have wanted to be with me again and some of them have even recommended their friends to try me. That makes my life much simpler and easier but wouldn’t happen without my investment of time and regular patronage.

That said, I believe that anyone who only wants to have sex with women under twenty-five and who flits from one Parisian swing club to another, sometimes several of them in one evening if I understand some of the accounts here, is destined to disappointment. Or should be more profitably playing the lottery if their luck really is that good. I thus have two basic pieces of advice for others who want to try Paris swing clubs. The first is to have rational expectations. Overall, a person needs to understand the role of plain old stupid right place at the right time luck and also understand that any really good looking very young woman is likely an escort and will only have sex with the guy who brought her. The second is to invest some time in becoming a regular at a club, any club. I like Au Pluriel but it’s certainly not the only club and may not be the best club for someone else. But being a regular significantly adjusts the balance between skill and luck and thus greatly increases the odds of having great experiences.

Finally, a word on “best” clubs and “best” nights. Other than finding a woman to attend one of the clubs open only to couples, I don’t think there are any “best” clubs. Now, obviously, some clubs may simply never have any business but that’s pretty obvious and I think it’s more important to find a comfortable club. In terms of nights, about the only truism is that Friday and Saturday nights seem to have more couples that play only with themselves if they play at all. But then they also tend to have fewer single guys as the married ones have their own family commitments. And the goodness of any specific night still depends greatly on luck. I can think of one situation last week where I had a great night because I was in exactly the right place at exactly the right time when one couple decided to play. The guy standing a few centimeters to my right at the same time didn’t have such a good time and the three guys who saw us and showed up thirty seconds later didn’t have a good time at all with that woman.

It’s the Forrest Gump thing about the box of chocolates, you just never know what you get. I personally enjoy the extra dimensions of skill and luck and so will continue to go to swing clubs when I’m in Paris.

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I am more often in Germany than in France when I go to visit as I'd just about given up on finding any activity worthwhile participating in in France but your reports on Paris certainly have aroused my interest.

I've yet to do Beverly but it is on my list of places to visit.

Locally, I've got a gangbang group going which gets together to do either women with consenting husbands or single women.

Iseeu, Frenchie

Where would one find "occasionelles"?

[QUOTE=Iseeu]Except that I prefer to find an amateur companion that I don't need to pay to join me. It's harder to find, but immensely more rewarding as she is there for a similar reason that I am. If all else fails I agree that the next best tactic is to pay 200 Euro for an "occasionelle".

Also, I stay away from the swinger clubs in the afternoons- it really requires a great deal of patience and luck. Not only are there fewer men there are also very few women if any. Even if the entry fee is lower, my time is also vaaluable.

As Dreams has written, except for possibly nights that limit single men participants like Le Cheminee on Weds. night, the best swinger club experiences are in clubs that are paare only, and for that you have to have an female companion, paid for or otherwise.[/QUOTE]

To find these ladies, you need to speak a little French to browse the ads on two main sites:

escort.vivastreet.fr
[url]www.missive.info[/url]

I can give you the phone number of one or two of these ladies, but they generally don't like to be called on behalf of someone else. They are truly picky occasionnelles and don't want to see their privacy compromised, which is understandable.

The mass arrival of chinese immigrants has been the opportunity for a new social institution in Paris. They definetely offer the best compromise in term of discretion, good service, GFE and low dependance to a Maffia.

Their look has nothing to frighten our legitimate wife but the great thing is that you are rarely disappointed at 'la hora de verdad' and even may find a real gem under thre or four layers of warm clothing. Chinese people did not understand yet the opportunities of our social insurance system and do not take a risk of being ill.

Feeling the need to take advantage of this new social service, I went on sunday afternoon at Belleville crossing to find my prey. There you can find a strange atmosphere of mixity between the former magrebian inhabitant, the new eastern conquerant and the recent invasion of white "Bobos" issued from the western part of the city. I strolled around for one hour recognizing about ten veterans in the most literal sense of the word. Last time I was there, I had the service of a lady that I thought to be 35+ when she told me that she was 47!

Celine was a bit more colorful than her colleague but would not raise even an eyebrow from your wife if you bring her at home for dinner. We agreed on 50 euro on the place (or was it forty!) and took the subway to go to her room in Nation. During the travel, I learned that she has a 2 year baby living with mama in Beijing. As her hand were even more awful than her face, I doubt that she is really from Beijing.

We still had to climb seven floors to reach her room. despite some author saying that this is the best time of making love, I found the exercize a bit tiring. At last we reached a small room with one bed one tap and a fridge. No student would accept to live in such a room but at least she was not sharing her room with 5 colleague on superimposed beds as I already saw in the Belleville area.

She looked at me like a saviour when I put 50 Euro bill on the fridge. (she must have said 40 but the pronunciation..) I was rewarded by the most beautiful body I could imagine under her third country garments. We then had sex like I remembered when I was student 40 years ago. Her blowjob was nothing to write home about but the long lasting sex with a lot of french kiss and her massaging my dick with her intimate muscles is unforgettable. I decided to put an end to this eternal moment but she still insisted on finishing manually.

When I reached the street I could check on the public clock that we had a 45 minutes session. There is still life in Sarkozy's hell!

Thanks Frenchie. I am very fluent in French.

[QUOTE=Frenchie]To find these ladies, you need to speak a little French to browse the ads on two main sites:

escort.vivastreet.fr
[url]www.missive.info[/url]

I can give you the phone number of one or two of these ladies, but they generally don't like to be called on behalf of someone else. They are truly picky occasionnelles and don't want to see their privacy compromised, which is understandable.[/QUOTE]

Hello all,

I will be heading to Paris in March and would like some info on the street scene.

Are there still women on Rue St. Denis? What are they like? Are they mostly mature and from Algeria and Morocco or just French women?

Any info is greatly appreciated.

(And Mufu, thanks for that report. But what is Belleville? Is that another street area ?)

Jonathan

The old scene is pretty pathetic as the women of St. Denis are fewer and way older.

There is a surprise when you emerge from the Strassborg-St. Denis metro: lots of young Chinese women aggressively street walking.

Has anyone gone there?

[QUOTE=Jonathan76]Hello all,

(And Mufu, thanks for that report. But what is Belleville? Is that another street area ?)

Jonathan[/QUOTE]
Yes and more exactly a subway/metropoltain station.

[QUOTE=Calbear]There is a surprise when you emerge from the Strassborg-St. Denis metro: lots of young Chinese women aggressively street walking.[/QUOTE]
They have been there for many years but I do agree that they are younger and more agressive. price is 60 euros wether they are going to an hotel (30+30) or at their home. It is often a room where they live in condition that reminds of Zola's novel. They have to pay 20 euros to the one who rents.

Price is negotiable and can be reduced to 50 or even 40; but they have a dog's life and they may be so nice that I never negociate. I may be wrong but I believe that nobody is really making money in their community except probably the tour operator that brought them to Europe for some 50000 yuans.

Do not expect a highly erotic experience but a nice GFE in most cases.

Was checking out the streetlife there - just to get an idea. It is incredible what kind of creatures are offering themselves. Probably an option if one is heavy drunk and out of mind. In case you go there, do it for a visaul amusement and not for a sincere purpose.

[QUOTE=A Sunny][b]Was checking out the streetlife there - just to get an idea. It is incredible what kind of creatures are offering themselves. Probably an option if one is heavy drunk and out of mind.

In case you go there, do it for a visual amusement and not for a sincere purpose.[/QUOTE]Wow, really that bad?

But what about the "Moroccan/Algerian street scene" also in the area that I've heard about?

I was always under the impression that North African women were generally attractive and nice-looking for the most part.

O.K. I'm very happy now because after searching through all of the reports I think I found (on page 54) what I'm looking for.

Denis wrote the following in August of 2003:

[b][I]"In front of the Park Floral you will find Vans with Moroccan, Tunisian and Algerian girls, same rates but they are normally old, fat and ugly. "[/I][/b]

******

This is exactly what I love. Mature and chubby women from the Mahgreb.

But this report is almost 4 years old so my question is. Do they still exist?

Can I still find these women in vans in Floral Park?

Any information is greatly appreciated.

In looking at the ads by occasionnelles on vivastreet, they seem to be mostly for "massage." Is this a term of art, or are they only offering massage? None mention rates. Is there a standard rate I should expect to pay?

Any advice would be appreciated.

I speak enough french to get by, though just barely.

Thanks.