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[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1940779]In order to convince anybody, evidence is needed. How will blackmailing fly if there is no evidence?

It's all a question of how this will be enforced. How will law enforcement obtain evidance? How will they be able to bust anybody without evading anybody's privacy? How the law dictates what kind of investigation is allowed or not.

One way I can think of is under cover as patrons or service providers.

A question I have is will the service providers or club management be liable?[/QUOTE]Blackmail will fly if you're married and the girl threatens to call the police and you get mail home.

There will be no female undercover agents. Clubs and girls are not liable. There will be signs stating that sex without condom (that includes BJ) is illegal. That's all the club has to do in that regard, plus no advertising with BBBJ, BBFS or "tabulos" and other expressions hinting towards that kind of service.

HB.

How does the wording of this legislation differ from that of the laws in place in Bavaria?

[QUOTE=CitizenKane;1940791]How does the wording of this legislation differ from that of the laws in place in Bavaria?[/QUOTE]Wording: don't know. But: Bavaria and Saarland have a "Hygieneverordnung" = regulation in place. The national regulations will be a law. There's a difference in the penalties derived from that.

Can somebody give me the definitive answer please on whether or not clubs such as Caligula, Airport Girls with all you fuck buffets at a set price will be finished under the new law and also gangbang clubs such as Mustapha's Erlebeniswohnung club?

Re FKKs and the new laws, I think it will force the price per each session up a good bit and BBBJ will probably cost an additional extra on top of this with a supplement probably close to the CIM extra charge now!

BTW, technically there doesn't have to be direct contact between a cock and a service provider's mouth to achieve CIM as you can cum in the lady's mouth from a distance or she can lick your cum of her body!

The law relating to a mandatory condom for oral sex is completely daft outpaced in its daftness only by the €50 K fine for it!

TBH if you were fined for committing a serious assault, it probably with be nothing like €50 K!

My trip next year will be done a month before all this goes in effect, didn't want July to be approaching and have girls distracted or worse packing their bags. Something to consider.

Wonder if the clubs will help the girls get their papers straight? Will there be a local official who might travel to the clubs to complete the paperwork? Have to wait and see what this does to already thin lineups at the clubs.

Unfortunately, the one consequence of this that seems certain is that there will be no more BBBJ in kino. That is one of my favorite things to do in life, bar none. That truly sucks (because there are no more sucks).

[QUOTE=WildMan;1940812]Can somebody give me the definitive answer please on whether or not clubs such as Caligula, Airport Girls with all you fuck buffets at a set price will be finished under the new law and also gangbang clubs such as Mustapha's Erlebeniswohnung club?

[/QUOTE]According to the new law Flatrate clubs or events will be illegal. No more Mustapha, Caligula, Airport girls.

HB.

After approval through German Bundestag on July 7th, 2016 get yesterday on September 23rd, 2016 the new prostitution law the approval also from the German Bundesrat. So that's final for me then. New law will be in force on July 1st, 2017.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1940797]Wording: don't know. But: Bavaria and Saarland have a "Hygieneverordnung" = regulation in place. The national regulations will be a law. There's a difference in the penalties derived from that.[/QUOTE]To the best of your knowledge, has anyone ever been fined in Barvaria or Saarland under the current regulation?

[QUOTE=WildMan;1940812]

Re FKKs and the new laws, I think it will force the price per each session up a good bit and BBBJ will probably cost an additional extra on top of this with a supplement probably close to the CIM extra charge now![/QUOTE]Don't know about those clubs you mention, but the AO scene will stop to exist within the minute the clock passes midnight. Also, the red light districts will suffer. Either prices there will go up or they will die off. In either case I think alot more girls who have worked in other areas of the german sex industry will lean more towards FKK's where they even get separate rooms to sleep in. That added pressure on applicants, and maybe also added pressure from previous AO and RLD mongers and girls into the FKK's will put a downward pressure on the pricing, keeping the rates at the same height as before. Only difference for us will as far as I can tell be the CBJ. And perhaps more police work to bring down pimp networks. Which can lower the rate of new romanians. Although with internet and the word of mouth in romania I could be very wrong too. And pimps outsmart regulations in 99 out of 100 cases anyway. So laws are useless.

I can even see additional fkk's being built from this, and competition between the clubs can get to even higher levels... but time will tell what will happen to the service. Will girls consider themselves sales persons working together in sales teams (on a club per club basis?), or will they try to act like they sometimes do today and make unions where some hold back services like kissing etc? The first option could make fkk's survive as a mongering destination. The 2nd choice would at least for me strangle it more and more...

[QUOTE=CitizenKane;1940923]To the best of your knowledge, has anyone ever been fined in Barvaria or Saarland under the current regulation?[/QUOTE]Per year were in Munich around 10 cases of P6 without condom known at local authorities. Max. Fine was up to 1. 500 Euro. No joke local authorities used fake test clients but only ask for no condem sex, no real sex that's what the local authorities explained.

AFAIK fine was only for the girls. With the new law fine up to 50 k euro is now only for the guys.

[QUOTE=Craiova;1940936]Per year were in Munich around 10 cases of P6 without condom known at local authorities. Max. Fine was up to 1. 500 Euro. No joke local authorities used fake test clients but only ask for no condem sex, no real sex that's what the local authorities explained.

AFAIK fine was only for the girls. With the new law fine up to 50 k euro is now only for the guys.[/QUOTE]So we can expect german police women working the clubs? Fantastic, I will try a few. But if they leave after we have enterred the room, and after my condom is strapped on ready to enter her mouth, I am going to complain and demand a refund. So she must pay me. :)

[QUOTE=Pistons;1940938]So we can expect german police women working the clubs? Fantastic, I will try a few. But if they leave after we have enterred the room, and after my condom is strapped on ready to enter her mouth, I am going to complain and demand a refund. So she must pay me. :)[/QUOTE]Not likely they might recruit service providers to provide intel though. Hopefully they will not care too much about BBBJ and focus their energy to catch ao lovers.

Makes me wonder if they will open a new department (increase employment) bc I hope the police force have for urgent matters to take care of like terrorism, rapefugess etc rather catching guys getting BBBJ, LOL.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1940930]Don't know about those clubs you mention, but the AO scene will stop to exist within the minute the clock passes midnight. Also, the red light districts will suffer. Either prices there will go up or they will die off. In either case I think alot more girls who have worked in other areas of the german sex industry will lean more towards FKK's where they even get separate rooms to sleep in. That added pressure on applicants, and maybe also added pressure from previous AO and RLD mongers and girls into the FKK's will put a downward pressure on the pricing, keeping the rates at the same height as before. Only difference for us will as far as I can tell be the CBJ. And perhaps more police work to bring down pimp networks. Which can lower the rate of new romanians. Although with internet and the word of mouth in romania I could be very wrong too. And pimps outsmart regulations in 99 out of 100 cases anyway. So laws are useless.

I can even see additional fkk's being built from this, and competition between the clubs can get to even higher levels... but time will tell what will happen to the service. Will girls consider themselves sales persons working together in sales teams (on a club per club basis?), or will they try to act like they sometimes do today and make unions where some hold back services like kissing etc? The first option could make fkk's survive as a mongering destination. The 2nd choice would at least for me strangle it more and more...[/QUOTE]Wow. Can't remember when I read a post here containing that much BS. Or did you try to be ironic? Please tell me that's the case.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1940682]

AFAIK the separation of working and sleeping rooms is off the table.

HB.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure I understand you. Are you saying that the part of the law that requires separation of working and sleeping rooms is now removed from the law? Or did you mean something else?