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[QUOTE=Lawdog 690; 1232439]JBIZ. Planning a trip to Asia, have pal who is married to a Philippino Lady and living there. I was scanning ISG for additional intel. Ran across some of your photos, read your posts and it is refreshing to read reports, and dialogue, from someone who has a brain and makes sense! I also belong to best GFE forum here in the states and a lot of the time, the bullshit you encounter is amazing! Looks like you have no prob getting action and the women you have shown look pretty strong to me. I am Black and from what I have heard, there are many Asian women who enjoy being with us (do not mean to generalize ). I am intelligent, pretty good looking, in shape and just love Asian culture. Especially Japanese. Have you ever made it to Japan? , and if so, have you had success with the babes? Any input would be appreciated.

Take Care, Happy New Year, and Peace.

Dog[/QUOTE]I have a buddy of mine who is retired Army he is married to a Japanese woman and he has had great success in Japan, from what he has told me if your a descent looking young black guy you will do very well in Japan the younger generation is very liberal, just hit the hip hop clubs. PM me I'm actually planning a trip to Japan 2013 sorry this year I have to do another round in the Phils I have an older gent 57 that has beg me to go again and show him a good time, your welcome to join us.

[QUOTE=Jbiz979;1232676]Look I'm 29 years old, I went to the Phils last year my first time. I certainly get most of your gents points on tipping in general. But I think the pay offs of tipping out way the market fluctuations. Perfect example in my previous post I spoke of a Pinay named Apple I spent a great deal of time with her. I got Pinay prices for goods and services. Why? A because I was with a Pinay B because I treated her well (not an extravagant tip) with a descent tip. No one on this board complains about All the Free sex many of us have enjoyed while visiting this country but a few guys give a chick 3 bucks and this is controversial?[/QUOTE]The problem is you don't live here, it creates expectations that you don't have deal with because your gone back to the states, or where ever your from, leaving the rest of us to deal with the consequences of your generosity.

[QUOTE=Sprite13; 1232584]I've been reading the AC pages and couldn't find a recent post on the going rates there for short time / long time / bar fines, free lancers etc.

I was in Cebu a year ago and the freelancers at Mango square were good for 1k / night; bar fine from gogos were about 1. 5 to 1. 7k.

I'm thinking of spending sometime in AC so would appreciate any info on recent going prices there. Or even a general guide on the options available in AC and the going rate for each type of place. Would appreciate it greatly.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Most Fields bars are 1500-1800 for barfine. Several larger bars are up to 3000 (with lower tiers). The Santos St bars are 700 ST. The Perimeter bars are 1200-1300 (gents?). FL on the streets can be had for 500 ST.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1232084]A while back in AC, I took two Santos girls. After the session we went out for a drink. While watching the dancing show, the girls shared that one of them had only been in the bar for two weeks,

Personally, I'd argue that we all stop tipping completely. But even if all us ISG's did that, there are so many other guys who go their who will keep tipping (its engrained). Others have argued that we should tip large: the best babes will go to the highest bidder (tipper). I can see both arguments. Like teetotalers who try to stop people from drinking booze, tipping is something that can't be stopped.[/QUOTE]She will learn pretty fast that she got lucky the first time. That guy was a rare one indeed. If you do not tip even the 50 peso it could mean next time you go into the bar the girls will not join you.

I will only tip if some one gives me a reason, and girls who ask I tell not to ask as it makes sure I will not tip.

[QUOTE=Frenzy3;1232717]If you do not tip even the 50 peso it could mean next time you go into the bar the girls will not join you.[/QUOTE]Frenzy makes an interesting point. I hear guys saying that tipping the bargirl endears her to you for her next performance. However, I would argue that while that may be true, there will probably not be another performance. There is so much eye candy, that we never see 95% of the girls again. If that is the case, the tip money is wasted. Also, when you say that to yourself, that you are endearing her to you with money, you are also saying that you don't trust that she will want to be with you just for the barfine, or she won't want to be with you at all. Its one thing to pay a barfine to purchase her behavior in bed, its quite another to say you must give her extra to pretend to like you (ouch). I'm guessing that the tip is completely un-needed to endear her: she will jump at the first barfine that offers tonight, especially if she knows you already.

Tipping should depend on the service and friendliness. These girls do what they do to support thier family, kids whatever. There are some who feel big tipping buys allegience. It is not true. The girls have seen and met lots of.

Punters. No need to impress any girl. You are in AC for one reason that is to fuck as many girls as possible. But in the course if you find somebody who is exceptional some added tipping is warranted. Not to buy her co-operation but reward her for her service.

Early on on my visits to AC I found out being too nice reflects negatively. One time I barfined a very pretty girl and found out she has a bad case of cold. I bought her some medicine and let her go without sex mainly because I did not want to catch her cold. But after a few days I met her again but her demeanor has changed. This maybe an exception.

Normally in AC tips are from 100-500 pesos depending on service. New girls do not expect any tips because tipping is not in Philippine culture. Soon they will learn tip is normal when you are dealing with foreigners.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1232730]Early on on my visits to AC I found out being too nice reflects negatively. One time I barfined a very pretty girl and found out she has a bad case of cold. I bought her some medicine and let her go without sex mainly because I did not want to catch her cold.[/QUOTE]Why didn't you just hit it from the back if you didn't want to catch her cold?

Well I guess me and my friends. Ruin it for budget guys who live there and those who are cheap / frugal or whatever you want to call it.

We ALL tip. Throw ping pong balls. Buy LD's for girls. Just for the hell of it. To have them sit and laugh with us. 3 girls for each of us. And we roll 3 to 5 guys.

I tip girls just for sitting with me. I'll give a girl money to get a pedi & manicure. If she sits with me. Looks good and needs its to complete the look and don't plan on BFing her.

But I'll tell you what. When I walk into the bars the next day. I'm greeted like a king. Back rubs. Massages. Girls pleading with me to take them. Never a runner.

Ones that I BF. I tip 500p minimum. Even if only 1 pop. Shoot I have given a girl 1500p tip. And we didn't even have sex (I was too drunk and feel asleep). She was cute, good company and fun throughout the night and stayed til I wanted her to leave.

If that ruins another budget Monger's day. Too bad. This ain't no team sport. I got mine. Get yours how ever you can

He who spends the bucks. Makes the rules. Too damn bad for those who don't. And yes I go there cause it cheap enough. So I can afford to be the 2 week Donald Trump.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1232770]Why didn't you just hit it from the back if you didn't want to catch her cold?[/QUOTE]She was running a fever on the way back to my room and I did not want her in the room. Before the barfine did not even think she was running a fever. I told her she should have told me before barfine.

She did say she wants to spend the night with me. While travelling I am paranoid of being with sick girls warranted or not.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1232826]She was running a fever on the way back to my room and I did not want her in the room. Before the barfine did not even think she was running a fever. I told her she should have told me before barfine.

She did say she wants to spend the night with me. While travelling I am paranoid of being with sick girls warranted or not.[/QUOTE]Looks like come hell or high water these girls will make it to work.

We debate tips every few months usually on this – AC board. Aren't you guys sick of it, at least the regulars? I mean lets agree to disagree on tipping. Everyone is different and everyone has different strategies or goals in AC, some like to mix it up, some like new girl every night, some want a gf experience. Tipping should be different in each case. I am sure few punters will disagree but if you want to get the best out of the girl I think its silly to argue that money isn't the greatest motivator. You can wine them dine them, be nice to them buy them presents but talk to them and see what they say. 50 000 peso trip to boracay or a 10 000 tip what do you think she will chose? I personally think sex with them is largly what you make of it. Perhaps the punter is responsible for 70-80% of HIS experience, but the girl still makes up the other 20-30% so tipping can help in certain cases. Some guys are there for few days and want to make sure that they get the best out of the girl so their tipping habits will reflect that.

A lot depends on the punters experience. The more experienced guys can work out when and how much is enough to tip while newbies all they have is their previous experiences in the west so they hang on to those. To them its cheap and tipping is no big deal. An experienced guy will know how much he can push the girl before she turns off and how to motivate her. Being nice to her before the deed picking the right one that you click with are little things that experienced punters know better then newbies so they will always get away with less peso spend if they chose to. Being known for the right reasons in few bars helps. If you are cheap Charlie the opposite applies, hence why the days of cheap Charlies in AC will never be numbered, you just need to hit different bars more often. AC has something for everyone so really no need to debate this.

We often talk about the DAMAGE that tipping does. I don't think it does ANY damage. Tipping big does NOT ruin markets especially in AC a girl will take someone's tip the night before and if cheap Charlie gets to her first the following night she will go with him. No big deal. I think they see it as a bonus not as part of their income. Security is what matters more to them. We often missundrestand the where do you stay question, thinking its to work out the spending habits of the punter or so on. Yes that's true too but its secondary, its about SECURITY. They want to tell their best friend or someone where they are staying just in case. If she knows the guy is good to her and doesn't tip or a new guy that is not well behaved and may tip I or may not who do you think she will chose?

What increases prices is more demand, which in AC has been on increase (new bigger hotels, flights etc) and greedy bar owners. How many additional bars have we seen over the last 2 years, yet how many new direct flights to AC are now operating? If you read my posts there was one part where a Blue Nile show girl told me that the bar wants to increase her bar fine to 5000 peso but she is against it. Basically the bar has worked out that guys taking a 3000 babe will still tip heavy or will pay 5000 for it without much thought. She is against it because she figures its too much, she will lose business and she now has to split her tip with the bar. She is right. If anyone is in AC can you check the bar fine price for show girls in Blue Nile please, I am curious to see if they went ahead with the increase, they were planning to start that as of January.

[QUOTE=Frenzy3;1232582]Competition you now have rich guys who can buy Viagra get use to the crowded market. It never going to go back to the good old days. Sex is a international biz. And PI will get it share.[/QUOTE]This is something nobody talks about. Guys that were sidelined are now players, and a lot of these guys have money to burn. Viagra has changed the landscape big time!

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1232947]We often talk about the DAMAGE that tipping does. I don't think it does ANY damage. Tipping big does NOT ruin markets especially in AC a girl will take someone's tip the night before and if cheap Charlie gets to her first the following night she will go with him. No big deal. I think they see it as a bonus not as part of their income.[/QUOTE]Does tipping BETTER the markets? How so?

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1232965]Does tipping BETTER the markets? How so?[/QUOTE]It does not but it will get you better service or more convenience. If I want to repeat and and I want to see the girl at 3pm rather then wait for her to start the shift at 9pm I will more likely get her to come to my hotel room then a Cheap Charlie. I have no doubt that she will go with him too but at 9pm rather then 3. Think about it.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1232965]Does tipping BETTER the markets? How so?[/QUOTE]To Amjeck,

I don't think tipping better the Market but a small tip make me and the girl feel better, I am not a big tipper by all mean, but if a girl stay all night and offer good service I give them a small tip like 300 p or gift and take them out for lunch.

Fast Eddie 48