Kyiv

[QUOTE=TheKnight;1270832]NET! Canada is number 1 on the world for expat Ukrainians. Massive Ukr community in Canada.[/QUOTE]Yes, but most of those have been in Canada for many years or generations.

They lack the beauty, bodies, sluttiness and loose morals of the post-FSU exports.

You need highly motivated (I. E. Impoverished or ambitious) dyevs who have been inculcated in contemporary EE culture for successful results.

Canadian-Ukrainian girls (born here or grew up here) are just the same as normal Canadian girls, or worse because of religion and close-knit ethnic communities.

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1270828]GT, the picture of the second girl you posted was taken in my home town. Please share how you met her. I am going to take a guess that the picture is about eight years old.[/QUOTE]OK, did not recognize the NY skyline, the photo is from her mamba page.

She lived in the US for a couple of years, including NYC, before coming to Canada 2 years ago.

Don't know exactly how old the photo is, at least 2 years obviously, but probably not much more. She looked just as good last night when we had dinner.

BTW, I may be in NYC next week for business. Maybe we can have a drink and swap "whare stories"?

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel; 1271081]OK, did not recognize the NY skyline, the photo is from her mamba page.

She lived in the US for a couple of years, including NYC, before coming to Canada 2 years ago.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. The skyline is actually Chicago, Sears Tower in background. I'm always curious how others have met EE, especially in my back yard.

This could be an end of an era moment? Gia website has been unavailable for a good 10 days and they are not responding to emails. Could they have been shut down perhaps? Any boots on the ground can confirm either way?

Cheers

[QUOTE=Poker Player 2; 1271104]This could be an end of an era moment? Gia website has been unavailable for a good 10 days and they are not responding to emails. Could they have been shut down perhaps? Any boots on the ground can confirm either way?

Cheers[/QUOTE]I"m with Uke Boy on this. If you travel all the way to Kiev and you don't have the brains or balls to follow the MANY posts on here that tell you where hot P4P can be found, you don't deserve pussy.

Ronaldinho, R to the T to the F to the F. LOOK AT THE GAME-TAPE!

There's a wealth of information in this one thread, enough to get you laid 10 times over. If Gia has gone the way of the Dodo, maybe that'll help rid the city of the lazier monger (who is usually the guy driving up prices for the rest of us).

D'Lux, Patipa, Caribean Club, Sorry Babushka, hell even Arena complex. Start there.

[QUOTE=Poker Player 2; 1271104]This could be an end of an era moment? Gia website has been unavailable for a good 10 days and they are not responding to emails. Could they have been shut down perhaps? Any boots on the ground can confirm either way?

Cheers[/QUOTE]I only wish they were out of business, but unfortunately, no.

I just checked and the web site works just fine. I also called and they answer. It sounds like the problem may be all from your end.

It is also a bigger problem that you want to use this overpriced agency with real sad and ordinary girls. Coming all this way to Ukraine and then hooking up with Gia girls? Why?

Stay home and use your money on your local ladies. You will do much better.

Papa,

Thanks for the input; let me use your own words to respond:

"You really should take a break from being such a massive prick. It can't be good for your general well being."

[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1270747]I know that gia is overprised and girls are not the top, and the girls are just ordinary. But there are no other site that we can compare our tastes in women. If you are so cool, uke boy, so reveal us the hotties you found in mamba or other sites. And bare in mind that gyes coming to Kiev for 2-3 days don't have enough time to bang freebie hotties as those who are coming for weeks or mounths. What is your best suggestion for gys comming for 2-3 days?[/QUOTE]I just can't believe you are asking such a question. My first reaction is to simply write RTFF which is the basic and standard reply.

My second is if all you are doing coming here, as I just posted, is to meet Gia girls. Stay home! You will save a lot of money and likely have a better time with local paid talent. Gia is the last resort of both the loser and the lazy bastard.

Like everywhere else, you have to work at it. Nobody, least of all the ladies here, are going to jump into bed with you just because you are here. It just about happened that way 15 years ago, but no way now. Times have changed and how.

You have to do your homework. Mamba, flirt and other sites can be very successfully mined, so much so that you can hook up with ladies from here even in your home country as the recent posts have shown. But you have to work at it. You also have to be prepared for a certain amount of frustration and failure. But there will also be successes as other posts have shown.

The same with the bars and clubs. No one lady even there is going to jump into your waiting arms because you are you unless you are one of the Klichko brothers.

It is the guys who put in the time to research and work who succeed. Be it for a visit for one day, one week or for years. There is no magic wand or potion. It is a lot of work and effort.

[QUOTE=Uke Boy; 1271136]I just can't believe you are asking such a question. My first reaction is to simply write RTFF which is the basic and standard reply.

My second is if all you are doing coming here, as I just posted, is to meet Gia girls. Stay home! You will save a lot of money and likely have a better time with local paid talent. Gia is the last resort of both the loser and the lazy bastard.

Like everywhere else, you have to work at it. Nobody, least of all the ladies here, are going to jump into bed with you just because you are here. It just about happened that way 15 years ago, but no way now. Times have changed and how.

You have to do your homework. Mamba, flirt and other sites can be very successfully mined, so much so that you can hook up with ladies from here even in your home country as the recent posts have shown. But you have to work at it. You also have to be prepared for a certain amount of frustration and failure. But there will also be successes as other posts have shown.

The same with the bars and clubs. No one lady even there is going to jump into your waiting arms because you are you unless you are one of the Klichko brothers.

It is the guys who put in the time to research and work who succeed. Be it for a visit for one day, one week or for years. There is no magic wand or potion. It is a lot of work and effort.[/QUOTE]Uke boy, you didn't get a point here. Nobody is going to Kiev for gia girls, be sure. Here in lisboa I can get exactly the same quality, maybe for even a cheeper prise. But unfortunately gia is the only site with real pics, so eventhough the girls are mostly avarage, it is interesting for me to compare people rates. What if mamba girl (prices from 600-800 gryvnas / h) assures you that pics are hers? Can you trust her?

Is this the door to the goodies?

[url]http://www.google.com/maps?q=Kropyvnyts[/url]%27koho+4&hl=sv&ll=50. 441805, 30. 526264&spn=0. 003683, 0.010203&sll=50. 441717, 30. 524093&layer=see&cbp=13, 199. 67, 0.5. 14&cbll=50. 441905, 30. 52415&hnear=Kropyvnyts%27koho+St, +4, +Kyiv, +Kyiv+city, +Ukraina&t=h&z=17&panoid=c7UlzDfihY7sRFYWs3evOQ

Having just done a great tour of fkk clubs in germany I have been looking for something with a different twist for my next trip. I have come up with an idea to do a mixed fkk / Kiev trip in the same style that little joey does but with the difference being that in Kiev I would focus on erotic massage services and leave the full sex for germany on the way back. The rationale behind this is that I would be able to visit Kiev for sightseeing and after googling Kiev erotic massage and looking at many parlours the girls seem attractive but more importantly the price is really astonishing. For eg in london a 2 girl massage for 1/1. 5 hours from a reputable provider in erotic style could set you back 200/300 pounds easily whereas in Kiev it is easily half if not less than that even. Also I have dreamed for many years about the 2 girl massage experience but what really tops it is that in Kiev a 3 girl 2 hour erotic massage would still be affordable at around 150 pounds. A real bargain and a chance to really experience something new. Where I am looking for help is in 2 areas; ; 1) many of the sites are advertised in english so would I be right in assuming that booking an appointment by phone in english would also be simple? 2) have rtff but cannot find much information regarding the erotic massage scene in Kiev so can anyone give me a list of say the top 5 salons / parlours in Kiev with beauty of girls and facilities being the main criteria? Funnily enough I had spent a long time on the bucharest thread searching for erotic massages only to be diverted from there to here with the reason being that Kiev erotic massage salons offer far more attractive girls than in rumania according to a well travelled reporter there many thanks.

Mohab

Lora at Gia.

Had an appointment with her in the afternoon.

Very cute face, very pretty, better than her photos on the site.

FACE: 8.

BODY: 7.

PERSONALITY: 8, she speaks English, has a fun attitude, she is not from Kiev

[QUOTE=SooNice; 1271211]Failed big time today. Etc. One girl came to the hotel but wanted me to come out and once I came out she left. I look good so it can't be because of uglyness.

Cheers[/QUOTE]It could be she has issues with the Color, Colour of your skin, be it White, Black, Olive, Yellow, Darker shade of Brown, etc?

She is the only one with the answer.

[QUOTE=Ronaldinjo;1271191]Uke boy, you didn't get a point here. Nobody is going to Kiev for gia girls, be sure. Here in lisboa I can get exactly the same quality, maybe for even a cheeper prise. But unfortunately gia is the only site with real pics, so eventhough the girls are mostly average, it is interesting for me to compare people rates. What if mamba girl (prices from 600-800 gryvnas / h) assures you that pics are hers? Can you trust her?[/QUOTE]There is no simple answer to your question. Some photos are real, others are not. It is a lottery as to what you will end up with.

From my POV, it is always worth trying since for me it is a fun and very interesting game. There is no losing. I make sure that we meet in a neutral place, mostly the cafeteria chain Puzata Khata. The food is not bad and it is cheap, the deserts are OK and they also serve beer and wine. There is one on Basseina and a very good one in Podil. I meet them and if they do not meet my criteria, it is a quick coffee and adios with some excuse such as my needing to work. If they are attractive and interesting for me, even if the picture was a fake, we go off to my place after coffee and a nice chat.

Now how does Gia enter into all of this? Girls on mamba that charge 600-800 grivna ($75-$100) are very much worth taking a chance on as long as other expenses such as the restaurant or meeting place is not excessively expensive. Even a local coffee house is fine. The girls oftentimes are no worse than any Gia girl, sometimes much better, and sometimes you can even get them to stay several hours or even the night for that original price or a just little more. With Gia, the first hour is about $250 and the rate I believe goes down significantly if you book additional hours. However, you will never get an overnighter with Gia unless you pay big dollars, it is just another crass local business with very ordinary goods for the terminally lazy.

I don't ultimately care about the pictures on mamba or anywhere else. I only care when the girl comes to meet me and if she is acceptable. The same principle applies to girls on top-models and other sites. The point is to get her to meet you. Once she is in front of you, then it is up to you to accept her or not and if not, then move on to the next one.

Rumor has it that there are a lot of attractive and willing girls in Kiev. If one is not for you, another is just around the corner.

[QUOTE=SooNice; 1271211]Failed big time today. I made sure to have over 15 numbers to call when I arrived today. No answers, busy tone. Etc etc. One girl came to the hotel but wanted me to come out and once I came out she left. I look good so it can't be because of uglyness.

Fuck. I'm furious. Tomorrow I will go to a saloon and later a club round. I can't find the Kripynysto'koho str 4 on google maps. Can anyone advise please.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Text, not call. Send SMS with street and number. Then wait for reply. When someone arrives, she will send one more SMS and you can go outside and let her in. Accept or deny if other than photo. But be discreet, the girl does not want others on the street to know she is a sex worker. Then post a report, please.