Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1267342]I am giving first hand information of a new, disturbing, but important trend in Go Go's that is developing in Pattaya. I don't like this trend any more than you do. But the bar was packed with customers, dude. They are making a lot of money at What's Up Go Go. I don't expect them to change their business plan in the foreseeable future. On the contrary, what I fear is a lot of other bars will copy them and their success.

A lot of recent posts have talked about the decline of talent in Pattaya. Well here is one bar where the talent is strong. I think I am the first member to report on this new business trend here on this forum. I knew I would get some responses like yours and I thought maybe I should post on Pattaya Addicts where what is going at What's Up has been discussed in real detail. This is not news over there at Addicts. Keep slamming the guys giving the forum the news and pretty soon you won't get any up to date news here at all. I know there are a lot of good people still active on this forum. That is why I still come here and post. What have you contributed lately, How14?[/QUOTE]I agree. I have been to Pattaya 4 times since last September and have noticed on my last trip a couple weeks ago that the prices of the bar fines and LT / ST rates have risen in all of the go gos I went to. The first night I resisted saying that it was too high but after having to settle for a less than stellar bar (looks and service) girl at 430am I didn't want to have another crappy night. What's a guy to do? I came there to enjoy my vacation so I was going to enjoy it. Trust me if the prices were cheaper I would jump on her in a second.

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It seems mr bumpo had a great time. IMO, its better to pay more and have a GREAT time, rather than pinch pennies and endure a mediocre experience.

F*ck Daaaa haaaaaaaaataaaaaaaaaaaaz! LOL

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1267342]I am giving first hand information of a new, disturbing, but important trend in Go Go's that is developing in Pattaya. I don't like this trend any more than you do. But the bar was packed with customers, dude. They are making a lot of money at What's Up Go Go. I don't expect them to change their business plan in the foreseeable future. On the contrary, what I fear is a lot of other bars will copy them and their success.[/QUOTE]I agree. I have been to Pattaya four times since last September and have noticed on my last trip a couple weeks ago that the prices of the bar fines and LT / ST rates have risen in all of the go gos I went to. The first night I resisted saying that it was too high but after having to settle for a less than stellar (looks and service) bar girl at 0430am I didn't want to have another crappy night. What's a guy to do? I went there to enjoy my vacation so I was going to enjoy it. Trust me, if the prices were cheaper I would jump on them in a second.

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[QUOTE=How14;1267246]You're back in the USA. That's great please stay there because its people like yourself who just boot the prices up here for guys like us who live here them prices you been paying are fucking ridiculous, and you should be ashamed to mention what your paying on here, no wonder these girls are walking around with iPhones and new motorbikes and fat bank accounts because fools like you are paying mental money ok, it's your money and your treat as you say, but remember this is Thailand yeah, and them prices are inflated, you might also remember they are prostitutes and you treat them like a long lost love, another bottom feeder, get a life.[/QUOTE]No matter what you say to these guys, they will continue to overpay over and over again. Pattaya is pretty much over with! If you want quality pussy at cheap prices then it's time to move on. The "green" suckers are rolling in by the thousands every week to unload their life savings on over priced pussy. The good ol days when you could get any gogo girl for 1k ST are long gone! The pretty girls are greedier and more ruthless than ever as they congregate in the overpriced gogos and rip off newbie monger wannabees. Everything changes! Pattaya is not what it used to be. Love it or leave it!

I spent a few days in Pattaya a week and a half ago, I had the pleasure of meeting Mr E we hung out and had a few drinks at Lucifer and Club FLexx. FLexx is the late night hip hop club where big booty Asian girls go to listen and dance to hip hop.

I went by three bars and I did not encounter the Japanese influence that was so prevalent in BKK, I paid on avg 1400 for long time. While in Pattaya, I also decided to swing for the fences and went out with a nonpro babe, we spent the entire day together, went to the movies at central festival (VIP services) then ice cream, great convo and we promised to meet later that night, she texted and thanked me, saying that she was looking forward to seeing me again in a few hours. So what did this idiot do? I FELL ASLEEP waking up at 1am, I call and txt her and she never answered.

-ah well

Meanwhile, the BKK board is engaged in senseless political banter

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1267425]I appreciate Natty Bumpo's post, and that he is stating the reality of things. How14, on the other hand, appears to be a miserable soul whose primarily postings have been removed because their "argumentative" and "threatening" nature.[/QUOTE]- I also appreciated Bumpo's and other members' positive posts. I never understood the negativity some members showed to ISG contributors. Either contribute positively, or at the minimum keep your negativity off the ISG forum.

- I've been guilty of overpaying and underpaying SPs but of course I try to pay reasonable market prices or below that. Overall, it maintains a healthy supply / demand equilibrium for the Pattaya P4P market if there are Johns who underpay and overpay. High ST / LT payments entice more, ideally good looking, SPs to come to Patts in the hopes / illusion of earning big bucks. Johns who manage to get cheap ST / LT keep the market prices reasonable. Since coming to Patts in 2007 I've always found adequate availability of SPs ranging from dirt cheap ST / LT to the ST / LT stunners at steep prices.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Carrib; 1267523]I spent a few days in Pattaya a week and a half ago, I had the pleasure of meeting Mr E we hung out and had a few drinks at Lucifer and Club FLexx. FLexx is the late night hip hop club where big booty Asian girls go to listen and dance to hip hop.

I went by three bars and I did not encounter the Japanese influence that was so prevalent in BKK, I paid on avg 1400 for long time. While in Pattaya, I also decided to swing for the fences and went out with a nonpro babe, we spent the entire day together, went to the movies at central festival (VIP services) then ice cream, great convo and we promised to meet later that night, she texted and thanked me, saying that she was looking forward to seeing me again in a few hours. So what did this idiot do? I FELL ASLEEP waking up at 1am, I call and txt her and she never answered.

-ah well

Meanwhile, the BKK board is engaged in senseless political banter[/QUOTE]Maybe it was luck! A non pro GF ALWAYS ends up being more expensive than bars girls. Believe me, I have experienced it several times.

Western,

She was light skinned not from Issan. She had a different look about her. I would post pictures to quiet the naysayers, but I won't. I know she is a hooker, but I am not going to send guys right to her. She is in What's Up. Go there and check it out if you feel like it. There is a really informative post about Agency girls and their impact on Go Go pricing at Pattaya Addicts by a guy calling himself CockSnot.

[url]http://www.pattaya-addicts.com/forum/topic/84673-whats-up-agogo/[/url]

Check it out.

Gonzilla,

You nailed it on the head. 'I came there to enjoy my vacation so I was going to enjoy it. Trust me if the prices were cheaper I would jump on her in a second. ' Right. I spent 2x as much as I planned to spend in Pattaya. But I was not going to deny myself what I wanted once I got there. I would rather eat Costco frozen chicken breasts for a month back home to pay for it than forgo it.

Wildhawk,

I totally agree with your observation: 'if [anybody] had contrary experience, such as getting pussy at Whats Up? At a much better price, than Mr. Bumpo has been ripped off, and you are within your rights to point it out. (A good example might be paying a Beach Road girl 2K when the going rate seems to be 500). '

I too would be very interested to find out if anybody is getting What's Up girls for less than the 2000ST / 4000LT. If so, then I was ripped off. If not, then I was just paying the market price.

Sock,

Given that I paid the list price in What's Up then '[I] Got [my] money's worth and its all good. I think you got excellent service for the price you paid. Some people are looking for a GFE experience, not a warm hole to pound for 15 mins. ' Taking her out of the bar was expensive. Hooking up with her in the afternoons and in BKK was more reasonable. I have no regrets and would not change a thing. If I had passed on her I would have regretted it. I know because I have made that mistake in the past.

Harold444,

What I have reported so far is just the tip of the iceberg. I toured South East Asia for 46 days this year. I travelled to HKG, Macau, AC, Cebu City, Port Barton – Palawan, Malate, Pattaya and BKK in that order. By my calculation it added up to 39 sessions with 27 girls and 12 repeats. Among the many highlights, I paid 500hk for an Indonesian DH in Wanchai. 1300p for a LIA girl next door type in AC. 6000p for a spotlight dancer in Arena Club in Cebu City. 2000p for a MBC FL in Ermita. 1500bk to 2000bk for my ST Bangkok Go Go girls. 3700bk and 4900bk for my La Belle soapy massage girls, and around 1900hk for my Chinese super models in Macau. I also spent 5 days solo on a beach in Palawan with mother nature where I spent 1200p / night for a rustic cabin on the beach. My Pattaya girl was hot and the best looking girl I found in Pat, but she was not the best looking or best performing girl I shagged on this trip. Xiao Han, a gorgeous Chinese super model I had in East Spa was the best looking girl and Sa Sa, a Singaporean super model I met at Familia Nobre was the best performer. Wendy aka Jessica in Cebu City was not too shabby either. Most of my girls were 'B' cup naturals and under 25. That is the way I like them. Mrs. Natty was 27. I had one Viet girl at Familia Nobre packing 'D' cup silicone bolt-ons. She was a nice girl, but I did not get off on the extra stuffing.

Think I am making this up? You made my day with that comment.

Amjeck,

I have been to AC and Phnom Penh a few times. Prices are going up everywhere. I like AC, but I think Thai girls are on average better looking. I have had good times in PP, but finding a pretty girl nowadays requires a search. The days of $5 to $10 girls is long gone and the $20 days are ending. Manila is expensive if you go for the quality. Same same for Cebu City. And Macau is the most expensive place I have been to in Asia, but they have the finest selection of women, IMO anywhere. So where is this Shangri-La where beautiful pussy are cheap and plentiful?

[QUOTE=How14;1267486]Mr wild hawk, don't you know what a wind up is?[/QUOTE]Wind-up, like in this book?

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Windup_Girl[/url]

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1267588]Western,

There is a really informative post about Agency girls and their impact on Go Go pricing at Pattaya Addicts by a guy calling himself CockSnot.

[url]http://www.pattaya-addicts.com/forum/topic/84673-whats-up-agogo/[/url][/QUOTE]Can you please copy and paste the report here? That link requires a login.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1267685]Can you please copy and paste the report here? That link requires a login.[/QUOTE]A Direct Quote from the Pattaya Addicts Forum. What's Up AGoGo thread by CockSnot.

"Pricing is down to the use of agency girls. Agency girls get paid 3. 5 times what a 'normal' girl gets paid with an agent in the middle taking a similarly tremendous commission.

The salary bill in there on a daily basis would blow your socks off, trust me.

The vast majority of the girls in there are agency related. The agency charges a MINIMUM of 1200 baht per girl per night to the bar, of which the agent takes a decent chunk. This fee can rise to astronomical levels depending how hot the girl is.

Result?

Drinks prices go up to cover horrific salary bills.

Girls are told that they must get a minimum of 'X' amount of lady drinks at ridiculous prices. This creates a high pressure environment.

Barfine prices are massive, again to compensate for the salaries that must be paid.

Girls charge huge amounts for their services because they are now in a position to live almost solely off their salary. They don't need to have sex for money any more. So they will just up their prices and take fewer customers, because even if they only get 1 customer a month their salary plus the money from that 1 customer gives them a comfortable lifestyle.

If you want to stop the rising tide of horrendous prices, stop patronising bars staffed primarily by agency girls. You will know which ones use agency girls as soon as you see what the prices are. Or even better, stop patronising agency girls themselves. Go to the bar and make sure you only buy drinks for or barfine staffers."

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A very lively debate was conducted in that forum thread that went on for 5 pages. You should check it out. It is very interesting. No flaming is allowed and many different opinions were heard from. At the two extreme ends, some hated the very concept of the bar and vowed they would never step foot in it and others loved the place and said they went there every night.

Here is my list of pros and cons:

Cons:

1. The high prices for lady drinks, bar fines and ST/LT. The 2000/1000 barfine & the 2000/4000 ST/LT service charge.

2. Waiting around until 1am to take your girl out. Delayed satisfaction. I hated this.

Pros:

1. Some of the very hottest looking girls in town. A personal opinion, but wow!

2. Because they keep their girls in the bar until 1, What's Up A Go Go gets better and more lively as midnight – 1am approaches. When all the other Go Go's are winding down and their best girls are gone for the night, a new customer walking into What's Up can barely find a seat after midnight. Circuses 9 stars.

3. The staff is very friendly.

My Conclusion:

Take it or leave it, this bar is enjoying tremendous success and is here to stay. No boycott is going to be effective. Dream on. Fahrenheit Go Go down the Soi employs the same business plan and agency girls. I sure hope this does not spread to Bangkok, but it probably will. I wonder how the bar operates in the low season? The pressure on the girls to lower at least the 2000/4000 ST/LT is sure to get heavy. I will find out in October.

My personal feelings are; this is a bar you love to hate. But as long as they have the real candy, I will reluctantly keep coming back.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1267711]A Direct Quote from the Pattaya Addicts Forum. What's Up AGoGo thread by CockSnot.

My Conclusion:

Take it or leave it, this bar is enjoying tremendous success and is here to stay.

My personal feelings are; this is a bar you love to hate. But as long as they have the real candy, I will reluctantly keep coming back.[/QUOTE]I agree completely. I do like What's Up and am always happy to go in here and have a drink and look at some very lovely ladies and enjoy the show. I then go and find a girl somewhere else who is only charging half as much.

[QUOTE=Tobyg;1267737]I agree completely. I do like What's Up and am always happy to go in here and have a drink and look at some very lovely ladies and enjoy the show. I then go and find a girl somewhere else who is only charging half as much.[/QUOTE]Your like me, I look at how the steak is tender and cook and then I go out for a hamburger?

LBM

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1267604]Wind-up, like in this book?

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Windup_Girl[/url][/QUOTE]Such a great book.

I returned to Pattaya after a 10 year absence, It is a strange experiance to find so many buildings gone and hotels there instead. My conclushion was there is more of everything, white tourist girls, (sometimes looking down there noses at the local girls as though they are supiror) more hotels, more freelancers, more guys on the hunt, more bars, more traffic. My greatest dissapointment there was less of the fringe Thai bars doing dancing, singing or even Thai rock music I always found these places where good to get the fresh lady interested in me. Plus they where not that expensive.