Jakarta

[QUOTE=UsPete;1725618]But I do respect that we all need to scratch a living. I spoke to Loopy Lou one of the bouncy manado girls about the going rate (at a hairdressers where she also models), and she confirmed 1. 5 m is the fixed rate. She pointed out she spends 2 x RP100 000 on Taxi's, RP 180 000 on entrance fee and probably about Rp 200 000 on hair styling, new dresses and makeup per visit.[/QUOTE]If you've been going 2 or 3 days in a row and haven't done any tricks and keep going there using borrowed money or have rent to pay the next day like a few of these girls do, wouldn't you accept negotiation? From 1. 500.000 to 1. 000.000. Don't forget if they make 3 or 4 tricks every month that's the same they'd get working a middle-class office job for 12 hours a day. So it's still a lot of money.

I'm not saying it works with every girl, but when it's 3 AM and the place is closing down, I guarantee a few will agree to 1.000.000. And yes that's for CJs and BATS.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1725657]
Maybe ask where the girls are from. Sundanese girls may have great Latino bodies but they perform poorly (SUka Nya Duit Aja). If you need help try and find a gay papasan as they tend to be more honest. Choose a girl with an urban upbringing Jakarta, Makassar, Medan etc. Look at the teeth and feet, feel how hard the palms are etc.[/QUOTE]I've had some awesome Sundanese girls! I don't think you can generalize on sexual performance based on their heritage in this case. I do think you can generalize that pretty much all sundanese girls are "mata duitan" or as you say "suka nya duit" meaning they are gold diggers, but I wouldn't say "aja" (only). Some of them like sex as well as money. Some of the best shags I've had in Jakarta were Sunda babes. They are also known by the locals as being the best looking girls in all of Indonesia, and I happen to agree with that.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1725612][B]my experience in Jakarta:
[/B][/QUOTE]Damn fine reports. Sounds like you had some good experiences.

[QUOTE=UsPete;1725657]

It's basically down to the relationship between you and the girl. The bikini dancers are paid Rp 22 million per month as a basic net salary. This means most will be driving their own cars back to an apartment after hours and too tired for extras or some of the educated ones may be paying their way through university.

My advice is listen to what the girls offer you. My fav. Bikini girl offered me a blowjob upstairs after one LD and a discussion of her plans for a career outside Malio and I agreed, she was truly excellent showhorse and wouldn't stop the BBBJ long after I came. She actually picked me up in her car up after the club closed and we went for chicken porridge but it was a platonic post-work food thing.
[/QUOTE]Thank you UsPete for the info, appreciate it. I did get talking to a girl who didn't ask me for a drink. I got her a tequila shot for 50 k and she downed it before my beer bottle could reach my mouth after saying cheers. Then she asked for more drinks (set of 4) and I backed out. I didn't want to end up spending 200 k to 400 k in 15 minutes and get nothing in return. Maybe that was my mistake. I took advice of being careful on LD too seriously and was averse to buying anyone a round.

Lesson learned. If I return I am definitely going to invest time and money as some of these girl were really gorgeous and deserve investment.

The girl I took that night Siskaa, I had added her on FB, big mistake. She started bugging me on FB messenger the very next day, Mister where are you, Mister I have no customer, Mister I am sick, Mister come meet me, . WTF. Hence I didn't return to Malioboro again during remainder of my visit. Yes i unfriended her immediately.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1725670]Damn fine reports. Sounds like you had some good experiences.[/QUOTE]Thanks Smoothy for the info provided earlier on stay and venues, would have not been possible for me to plan accordingly in terms of location and time of travel each day. I did not miss a single venue I wanted to go to albeit did change only one at last minute such as Kings cross. In hindsight I should have gone there and could have skipped 1 visit to Classic.

I did not find the FL scene as open and welcoming as Singapore or Thailand or even Philippines. Even the social app scene was quite dead except for massage places and some hideous milfs. Yes I was a one week millionaire and wanted some of the finest, had budgeted accordingly I. E 5 mill per day for 2 girls only. Only regret was not having found out the MO for the Malio club girls. That is something which surely will pull me back to Jakarta for another trip in future.

I already have a repeat trip scheduled to Philippines in August and then Pattaya in October. Don't want to schedule December visit to either of these locations due to seasonality hence Vietnam or Jakarta it shall be.

Till then hope to keep reading updates from you and other senior members on the forum.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1725650]Thanks for the informative post, my friend.

Otherwise the mongering scene doe not seem all that promising, especially compared to Patts. [/QUOTE]Thanks Uncle V. That is the only thought which has avoided me from planning any visit to Vietnam so far. Our visits to Pattaya have never matched hence opportunity has never arisen for us to meet but I look forward to bumping into you in one of these exotic location in near future. If not then Singapore for sure if you move and settle down there.

BTW Belle is still in touch with me on WeChat and is asking 5 mill per day to come and stay with me in Singapore...I told her to take a vacation to Vietnam...maybe the long stay away from her country has indeed corrupted her mind.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1725635] The real issue here is about the tremendous run up in the price of quality pussy in ALL the sex capitals of Asia over the last 5 years or so. This price increase has been incredible both in terms of its size and rapidity and I do not believe it is sustainable in the long run. Unfortunately, I can't predict how high the market price will go before it affects demand...the Asian sex market bubble will burst.[/QUOTE]Yes, indeed, I have been witnessing this rapid price increase. I think it's due to 2 factors: China and India. Between the 2 countries, we have a combined population close to 3 billion people. They are likely to produce an awful lot of mongers, and it would be difficult for the supply to catch up. Hence, the price increase.

I don't think there will be a bubble in the sex market anywhere. What's most likely to happen is that mongers will move to other places that are still reasonably priced. I saw that with Brazil. In the late 90's and early 2000's, it was a great mongering place and the Real was 4-1 to the USA Dollar. As the Brazilian economy took off, it went down to 1. 6 when I was last there in 2011, and all of a sudden Rio became very expensive for mongering. I and most other mongers migrated to other Latin countries, such as Argentina, Colombia, Peru, etc.

Heck, I was in Tokyo last month for the first time. I had 2 escorts, one independent who wanted close to $500. The other one was with an agency and wanted $300 for 2 hours. To my knowledge, Tokyo mongering scene never had a bubble, and unlikely to have one.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1725691]Yes, indeed, I have been witnessing this rapid price increase. I think it's due to 2 factors: China and India. Between the 2 countries, we have a combined population close to 3 billion people. They are likely to produce an awful lot of mongers, and it would be difficult for the supply to catch up. Hence, the price increase.
[/QUOTE]Lefeu, During my recent visit to Manila, I never came across any Indian in LA Cafe or Makati or EDSA. I did see some Malaysian Indians in AC but then they cannot be termed as Indians from the Mainland. I came across none in any of the Spas I went to in Indonesia. I think majority of Indians are more restricted to Thailand luckily and few might stray to other countries sporadically. Then the kind of treatment they get from girls in Thailand ensures no additional supply if available will be willing to service them atleast.

However I saw Chinese present in all locations and venues. The sheer amount of Chinese girls and customers in Malioboro speaks of domination being created. But I am personally also thankful for them for population increase as I am very fond of PRC girls and really have a good time with them in Singapore.

AC seemed to be primarily dominated by Korean visitors and even Manila to a certain degree considering it has the second largest Korean congregation (Koreatown) outside South Korea. The Japanese also seem to be omnipresent across locations and their nos are also increasing every year, its an assumption though.

Bottomline is that the analogy you have derived for price increase in this part of the globe i.e. due to Indians in SE Asia might not hold completely in light of what I have personally seen but that's my assessment.

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BTW Belle is still in touch with me on WeChat and is asking 5 mill per day to come and stay with me in Singapore...I told her to take a vacation to Vietnam...maybe the long stay away from her country has indeed corrupted her mind.[/QUOTE]Damn! That's some serious change!

I paid my two VN sweeties about $200 USD per day to stay with me. Though the first one didn't even ask for money I gave her some "for school". I negotiated with the other one up front in wechat.

I envy you living in SG. OT is full of hot VN girls. Why fly them in from Jakata? LOL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1716444]I think not just most of them, but all of them. At least as far as day action. And as you mentioned, they are on-site brothels where the girls are controlled by mamasans, not places for free lancers. Sorry, I had thought you only wanted free lancers.
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If you don't want to shag on-site in a brothel during the day, another option could possibly be to bar fine a girl from a brothel in north Jakarta and take her to your room.
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At least that's my experience.[/QUOTE]
Bit of a late reaction, but anyway: If you establish a certain rapport with a working girl in a bar or other establishment you can make an appointment for a house call outside her working hours. I have had very satisfying visits over a number of years by (digs into diminishing memory due to advancing age): Novi kecil, Novi tinggi, Sari, Tutik, Shella and Wulan (all Maribaya) who took freelance Sindi with them a few times, and by Ayu, Mila, Indi and Titi (from D's Place). YMMV.

Regards,

Ko.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1725796]Bit of a late reaction, but anyway: If you establish a certain rapport with a working girl in a bar or other establishment you can make an appointment for a house call outside her working hours. I have had very satisfying visits over a number of years by (digs into diminishing memory due to advancing age): Novi kecil, Novi tinggi, Sari, Tutik, Shella and Wulan (all Maribaya) who took freelance Sindi with them a few times, and by Ayu, Mila, Indi and Titi (from D's Place). YMMV.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]I agree with that in regards to the Blok M girls. I've done that with them many many times. But the North Jakarta brothel girls are a different story.

[QUOTE=KoperenKarel;1725796]Bit of a late reaction, but anyway: If you establish a certain rapport with a working girl in a bar or other establishment you can make an appointment for a house call outside her working hours. I have had very satisfying visits over a number of years by (digs into diminishing memory due to advancing age): Novi kecil, Novi tinggi, Sari, Tutik, Shella and Wulan (all Maribaya) who took freelance Sindi with them a few times, and by Ayu, Mila, Indi and Titi (from D's Place). YMMV.

Regards,

Ko.[/QUOTE]Actually, I'm not going to add to the above but would like to make a comment related to your post. You edited your post and gave the reason as "moronic auto-edit. " I'm wondering whether there is a way this could be made the default reason given for post edits so we do not have to type it in each time. In those cases, a minority I am sure, of instances where there is another reason for an edit, the poster could simply erase the default reason.

What do you think?

Sorry to go off topic but it had to be said.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1725635] Marsya wanted 2,000,000 rp. Long term was implied[/QUOTE]Seems like the asking price has definitely increased since last year; They started between 1. 5-2 mil, and you could negotiate down to 1-1. 5 mil. I even got one for 700 K towards closing time. It seems like those prices are out of reach now, unless you find someone desperate, unattractive, or both.

The reason asking price is increasing, I believe, is the simple fact the market is being spoiled (No disrespect Natty Bumpo, If I found my type of Huge (.)(.) on small frame I would maybe pay more). There are alot of businessmen at Mulia on expense accounts willing to pay these high prices without haggling, and the girls don't even need to leave the hotel! This is why so many gals won't budge on their asking price, or even leave with you if staying elsewhere.

One thing I am curious though, is whether the prices would be Cheaper on Ladies Night Weds, when they don't pay for cover (lower expenses for them) and more competition amongst ladies, or Weekend when there is more competition.

When I goto CJs in a few weeks time, I"ll go on Weds and try report back. I'm hoping I can still secure LT offsite to a different hotel for 1. 5 mil or less.

[QUOTE=Lost99;1725850]Seems like the asking price has definitely increased since last year; They started between 1. 5-2 mil, and you could negotiate down to 1-1. 5 mil. I even got one for 700 K towards closing time. It seems like those prices are out of reach now, unless you find someone desperate, unattractive, or both.

The reason asking price is increasing, I believe, is the simple fact the market is being spoiled (No disrespect Natty Bumpo, If I found my type of Huge (.)(.) on small frame I would maybe pay more). There are alot of businessmen at Mulia on expense accounts willing to pay these high prices without haggling, and the girls don't even need to leave the hotel! This is why so many gals won't budge on their asking price, or even leave with you if staying elsewhere.

One thing I am curious though, is whether the prices would be Cheaper on Ladies Night Weds, when they don't pay for cover (lower expenses for them) and more competition amongst ladies, or Weekend when there is more competition.

When I goto CJs in a few weeks time, I"ll go on Weds and try report back. I'm hoping I can still secure LT offsite to a different hotel for 1. 5 mil or less.[/QUOTE]This doesn't account for the full increase in the last year, but the rupiah has lost maybe 15 percent of its value in the last year and significantly more before that. I assume this translates into a high inflation rate in Indonesia, particularly for foreign goods. At some point the prices at places like BATS and CJs start catching up with this.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1725603]
I took Blue Bird to Mulia from my Hotel. I reached around 11.30. Paid in the 200 k entry drink fee. Live band was playing inside. I walked from the back taking a good look around up to the Bar near the Loo. There were some good women there but I couldn't spot many young girls. I stood near the bar for some time and got myself a Guiness. Not many good looking women near the bar. I stepped down near the counter from where all women go to the loo and got myself a space to lean on. The first one to approach me was Nika. She refused to talk any further and left when I told her I was staying in Kota. [/QUOTE]I find this post interesting. I have read other guys posts where they ask if it's a problem staying in Kota and picking up free lancers from places like CJs and BATS. I've read where some people posted in reply that "it doesn't matter where you stay, the girls will go with you". However, I have had the same experience as you. There are girls who do not want to go to Kota. There is a reason the girls ask "where you stay in Jakarta" as part of their initial questioning. (What's your name?, where you come from?, where you stay in Jakarta? Is this your first time coming to Jakarta?) It's usually only with the really popular girls who want to do multiple short times in a night, but I think staying in Kota can be detrimental for you to pick up freelancers from BATS and CJs. If the girls are spending half of their night transiting to and from your hotel, they lose time and potential customers, so they prefer not to go to Kota. I'm not saying there aren't some who will go to Kota, but there are some who will prefer to not go up there. Many of them don't want to do a long time up in Kota as well because when they leave in the morning it takes them forever to get home with traffic. Basically none of the BATS or CJs girls live near Kota.

Then again, if it's getting near closing time and they haven't had a guy in a few days, they will be getting desperate. Not only will their price decrease, but they will be open to going anywhere.