General Info

[QUOTE=Craiova;1941833]AFAIK the sex definition of the new law includes dick either in pussy or ass or mouth. As at DATY or DFK no dick is in contact with pussy, ass or mouth this should be still allowed.[/QUOTE]The law actually doesn't forbid any practice, just states that the males must use a condoms in sexual acts, and sexual acts are either vaginal, oral or anal. So it cannot forbid nor DATY nor DFK.

[QUOTE]Also a hand job should also be allowed without condom[/QUOTE]I guess so, as only vagina, mouth and ass are mentioned.

Here is a google translation of the part of the law explaining the condom duty:

[I]For the sake of prevention of sexually transmitted diseases and introduced thereby protecting both by prostitutes and by their clients or customers and indirectly affected persons and the public is by paragraph 1 an obligation of prostitutes and their customers and clients to use condoms during pecuniary intercourse. Under intercourse fall next to the vaginal also oral and anal intercourse.

The concept of the condom implies the use of the man's body and is aimed primarily at responsible behavior of the man from; male customers and male prostitutes are thus always obliged during intercourse as part of the customer relationship, to use a condom. Female prostitutes and customers are also addressees of the norm; they are obliged to ensure that during intercourse a condom on the body of the male prostitutes or clients is used. Therefore, they are listed as obligor of condom bid.

From the perspective of prostitutes, the provision constitutes a profession generally, but - is to protect the legal interests specified justified - as already existing clusters in two Lnder regional legislation.

The provision is mainly prostitutes to clients, operators and persons of their environment are encouraged to exist for its own protection on the use of infection-protective sexual practices and to oppose otherwise customized, by referring to the ban. The provision thus builds for its implementation in their own interest in the prostitute. Violations of the condom requirement are therefore not punishable by a fine for prostitutes under this Act, but for clients and customers. For some quarters expressed fear that condom requirement should be enforced through the use of "mock suitors" against prostitutes with filing systems, so there is no room.[/I]

This is the orignal text:

[I]Im Interesse der Prvention sexuell bertragbarer Erkrankungen und damit zum Schutz sowohl von Prostituierten als auch von deren Kunden oder Kundinnen sowie mittelbar betroffener Personen und der Allgemeinheit wird durch Absatz 1 eine Verpflichtung von Prostituierten und deren Kunden und Kundinnen zur Verwendung von Kondomen beim entgeltlichen Geschlechtsverkehr eingefhrt. Unter Geschlechtsverkehr fallen neben dem vaginalen auch oraler und analer Geschlechtsverkehr.

Der Begriff des Kondoms impliziert die Anwendung am Krper des Mannes und zielt in erster Linie auf ein verantwortungsbewusstes Verhalten des Mannes ab; mnnliche Kunden und mnnliche Prostituierte sind folglich beim Geschlechtsverkehr im Rahmen der Kundenbeziehung stets verpflichtet, ein Kondom zu verwenden. Weibliche Prostituierte und Kundinnen sind ebenfalls Adressatinnen der Norm; sie sind verpflichtet, dafr Sorge zu tragen, dass beim Geschlechtsverkehr ein Kondom am Krper des mnnlichen Prostituierten oder Kunden zum Einsatz kommt. Daher sind auch sie als Verpflichtete des Kondomgebots aufgefhrt.

Aus Sicht von Prostituierten bildet die Vorschrift eine Berufsausbungsregel, die jedoch wie auch schon die bereits in zwei Bundeslndern bestehenden landesrechtlichen Vorschriften zum Schutz der genannten Rechtsgter gerechtfertigt ist.

Mit der Vorschrift werden vor allem Prostituierte gegenber Kunden, Betreibern und Personen ihres Umfeldes darin bestrkt, zum eigenen Schutz auf der Verwendung infektionsschtzender Sexualpraktiken zu bestehen und sich anderslautenden Kundenwnschen zu widersetzen, indem sie auf das Verbot verweisen. Die Vorschrift knpft damit fr ihre Implementierung am eigenen Schutzinteresse der Prostituierten an. Verste gegen die Kondompflicht sind daher fr Prostituierte nach diesem Gesetz nicht bugeldbewehrt, jedoch fr Kunden und Kundinnen. Fr die von mancher Seite geuerte Befrchtung, die Kondompflicht solle durch Einsatz von Scheinfreiern gegenber Prostituierten mit Ordnungsmitteln durchgesetzt werden, ist damit kein Raum.[/I]

[QUOTE=Varenne;1942003]The law actually doesn't forbid any practice, just states that the males must use a condoms in sexual acts, and sexual acts are either vaginal, oral or anal. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Varenne;1942003] during intercourse a condom on the body of the male prostitutes or clients is used. [/QUOTE]

What if I have a condom wrapped around my little finger? Maybe the under cover german police woman I take to the room will say it is ok?

[QUOTE=Pistons;1942008]Does it state that the condom must cover the tip of the penis too?[/QUOTE]Hahaha! My God you guys are killing me LOL! What are you going to do? Cut a hole out on the tip LOLOLOL! Me? I'm just going to take my ass to Austria! I sure will!

Can the balls still touch a girl's nose? Asking for a friend.

The law doesn't prevent Ball Licking and tea bagging, licking the shaft could still be legit and also a lady could take your cum directly from a condom into her mouth by licking it out!

So it's a completely insane fooling law!

Also nobody has given me an authoritative response yet on whether this finishes Flat Rates like Caligula and Airport Girls as we know them and also gang bang clubs such as Erlebeniswohnung!

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;1942203]Can the balls still touch a girl's nose? Asking for a friend.[/QUOTE]Does he target hair or the roof?

[QUOTE=TheCane;1942010]Hahaha! My God you guys are killing me LOL! What are you going to do? Cut a hole out on the tip LOLOLOL! Me? I'm just going to take my ass to Austria! I sure will![/QUOTE]Think it would be risky of me? lol. Can allways do Austria yes, but Germany has better logistics and more clubs. So would be a shame....

Then again I kind of have a feeling this could push some top girls into moving to austria too. So selection at those clubs could go up...

[QUOTE=WildMan;1942211]Also nobody has given me an authoritative response yet on whether this finishes Flat Rates like Caligula and Airport Girls as we know them and also gang bang clubs such as Erlebeniswohnung![/QUOTE]Probably yes. Here is the authoritative text a response should be based upon (google translate):

[I]One of the basic conditions for the legal recognition of prostitution as a legal transaction, which is directed to sexual services, is hedged in Prostitution Act at any time of retrieval of the willingness to perform sexual acts. Is a commercial prostitution organized so that this reversibility is factually not guaranteed, so it is not compatible with the performance of sexual self-determination; such an operating concept must therefore be denied legal recognition.
Not permissible via therefore - regardless of whether individual participants would possibly engage in such conditions -. For example, commercial offers as so-called "(R a p e -) Gang-Bang" - events where a large number of so-called free against an entrance fee in parallel or in close time sequence, the opportunity to have sex with a prostitute or a prostitute is given while r a p e to be adjusted; because this can lead to a situation in which the person who allowed paid sexual intercourse, loses the ability to be able to influence the choice of customers who practices employed in general, any further exercise of sexual acts controlling.
The refusal of the authorization does not yet include this ban a particular sexual practice per se, so it's not about a ban private sex parties. The provision merely acts as a prohibition to organize such practices as a chargeable offers commercially.
Even if the operation of the prostitution industry of exploitation of prostitutes recognizable making feed, the authorization shall be refused.
This should regularly called. Flat-rate brothels (also known as "flat-rate" club, "All Inclusive Formula" o. . Named) be the case where it is brought at least to the outside of the appearances and advertised that prostitutes present in a prostitution site to a payable to the operator package price are accessible to all customers indiscriminately at any time. It constitutes a breach of the Prostitution Act if prostitutes for a pre-set fee to a third party - are committed to undertake an indefinite number of sexual acts - here the operator. To assess whether an exploitation abetted, besides, also the design of the internal contractual relationship between prostitutes and operators is crucial in addition to the application of the tender to the outside. excluded also after point 1 of the license conditions are business models that bring prostitutes z. B. by usury-like or non-transparent conditions in a situation of debt owed to the operator, as well as prostitution industry that build conceptually on employment of prostitutes as pseudo-self.[/I]

Original text:

[I]Eine der Grundbedingungen fr die rechtliche Anerkennung der Prostitution als ein Rechtsgeschft, das auf sexuelle Dienstleistungen gerichtet ist, ist die im Prostitutionsgesetz abgesicherte jederzeitige Rckholbarkeit der Bereitschaft zu sexuellen Handlungen. Ist ein Prostitutionsgewerbe so organisiert, dass diese Rckholbarkeit faktisch nicht gewhrleistet ist, so ist es mit der Wahrnehmung der sexuellen Selbstbestimmung nicht vereinbar; einem solchen Betriebskonzept muss daher die rechtliche Anerkennung verwehrt bleiben.
Nicht erlaubnisfhig sind daher unabhngig davon, ob einzelne Beteiligte sich ggf. auf solche Bedingungen einlassen wrden beispielsweise kommerzielle Angebote wie sog. (R a p e -)Gang-Bang- Veranstaltungen, bei denen einer Vielzahl sogenannter Freier gegen ein Eintrittsgeld parallel oder in enger zeitlicher Folge die Gelegenheit zum Geschlechtsverkehr mit einer Prostituierten oder einem Prostituierten eingerumt wird und dabei Vergewaltigungen nachgestellt werden; denn dies kann zu einer Situation fhren, in der die Person, die gegen Entgelt den Geschlechtsverkehr gestattet, die Mglichkeit verliert, auf die Auswahl der Kunden, die eingesetzten Praktiken oder generell die weitere Ausbung sexueller Handlungen steuernd Einfluss nehmen zu knnen.
Die Versagung der Erlaubnis beinhaltet dabei nicht zugleich ein Verbot einer bestimmten sexuellen Praxis an sich, es geht also nicht etwa um ein Verbot privater Sexparties. Die Vorschrift wirkt lediglich als Verbot, solche Praktiken als entgeltliche Angebote kommerziell zu organisieren.
Auch dann, wenn der Betrieb des Prostitutionsgewerbes der Ausbeutung von Prostituierten erkennbar Vorschub leistet, ist die Erlaubnis zu versagen.
Dies drfte regelmig bei sog. Flat-Rate-Bordellen (auch als Pauschal-Club, All-Inclusive-Angebot o. . benannt) der Fall sein, wo zumindest nach auen der Anschein erweckt und damit geworben wird, dass die in einer Prostitutionssttte anwesenden Prostituierten unterschiedslos zu einem an den Betreiber zu entrichtenden Pauschalpreis jederzeit fr jeden Kunden verfgbar sind. Dabei bildet es einen Versto gegen das Prostitutionsgesetz, wenn Prostituierte sich fr ein vorher festgesetztes Entgelt gegenber einem Dritten hier dem Betreiber zur Vornahme einer unbestimmten Zahl sexueller Akte verpflichten. Fr die Beurteilung, ob einer Ausbeutung Vorschub geleistet wird, ist dabei neben der Bewerbung des Angebots nach auen auch die Gestaltung des vertraglichen Binnenverhltnisses zwischen Prostituierten und Betreiber mageblich. Ebenfalls nach Nummer 1 von der Erteilung einer Erlaubnis ausgeschlossen sind Geschftsmodelle, die Prostituierte z. B. durch wucherartige oder intransparente Vertragsbedingungen in eine Situation der Verschuldung gegenber dem Betreiber bringen, sowie Prostitutionsgewerbe, die konzeptionell auf einer Beschftigung von Prostituierten als Scheinselbstndige aufbauen.[/I]

[QUOTE=Varenne;1942332]Probably yes. Here is the authoritative text a response should be based upon (google translate):][/QUOTE]Thanks but is this already the final version after approval of German Bundesrat from September 23rd, 2016! If yes could you please give a link to this.

And I'm interested about the rule of seperation of working and sleeping room. Is this in the final version included or not. Have found different opinios about that. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Craiova;1941545]Very good and after the sex she whispers in your ear "oh darling it was so great and therefore you give me instead of the normal 50 euro now 500 euro otherwise I report you to police and as proof I have your cum in my pussy. And don't worry if you haven't enough cash, there's an ATM. " Triple LOL.[/QUOTE]Nonsense. First of all, that's not enforcement of the law, that's extortion. My question was how is this new law enforceable. It basically isn't.

As for extortion, I'd tell her I'm paying the 50 and if you make accusations I'll report your extortion. If she executes her threat (1) she still won't get her 500, and (2) it's a he-said-she-said (3) the cops arriving will scare off customers and create bad word of mouth and (4) she'll be banned from the FKK by management for causing same.

[QUOTE=Craiova;1942341]Thanks but is this already the final version after approval of German Bundesrat from September 23rd, 2016! If yes could you please give a link to this.[/QUOTE]Sorry, can't. I quoted from the original proposal:

[URL]http://dip21.bundestag.de/dip21/btd/18/085/1808556.pdf[/URL]

I think that the only minor differences in the final approved version are listed in this document:

[URL]http://www.bundesrat.de/SharedDocs/drucksachen/2016/0401-0500/457-16.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=1[/URL]

[QUOTE]And I'm interested about the rule of seperation of working and sleeping room. Is this in the final version included or not. Have found different opinios about that. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I don't think that the original proposal has been modified as far as separation for sleeping and working room is concerned.

Individual exceptions to the separation rule can be granted when the enforcement would require an excessive effort for brothel in apartments (see Section 1, 18, (3); see Besonderer Teil, Zu Artikel 1, Zu 18, Zu Absatz 2) and for any kind of brothel which already existed before the announcement of the new law (see Section 1, 37, (5); see Besonderer Teil, Zu Artikel 1, Zu 37, Zu Absatz 5).

Also, prostitutes that have just arrived in Germany and haven't found yet an accomodation, can be allowed to sleep for one or two days in the working rooms, as long this is limited to special cases (see Besonderer Teil, Zu Artikel 1, Zu 18, Zu Absatz 2, Zu Nummer 7).

Are the German forums getting this much into the passing of the new law?

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;1941535]So I'm at a (former?) RTC on a couch with a girl. I whisper in her ear that I want AO. She whispers in mine that she's quite willing. We go to the room. We have AO sex. We leave the room and I pay her.

How in the world are the legal authorities going to be able to arrest and prosecute me, or even know it happened?[/QUOTE]If you are not shy, you could also get around the prescriptions of the law if you pretend to be a performer acting for the sole purpose of offering a good show, provided you have an audience, and that you don't allow this audience to partake in your activities:

See Besonderer Teil, Zu Artikel 1, Zu 2, Zu Absatz 1):

[I]Vorfhrungen sexuell konnotierter oder pornografischer Art mit rein darstellerischem Charakter, die von einer oder mehreren Personen vor anderen anwesenden Personen ausgefhrt werden, fallen ebenfalls nicht in den Anwendungsbereich dieses Gesetzes, wenn mit Ausnahme der Darstellerinnen oder Darsteller keine weiteren anwesenden Personen sexuell aktiv einbezogen sind.[/I]

Google translation:

[I]Demonstrations sexually connoted or pornographic nature with purely darstellerischem character, performed by one or more persons persons present before others, also fall outside the scope of this Act, if other than the actresses or actors, no further persons present are sexually active included[/I]

I think that Swingerlover had already suggested this trick long time before the approval of the law.

[QUOTE=Varenne;1942409]If you are not shy, you could also get around the prescriptions of the law if you pretend to be a performer acting for the sole purpose of offering a good show, provided you have an audience, and that you don't allow this audience to partake in your activities:


Google translation:

[I]Demonstrations sexually connoted or pornographic nature with purely darstellerischem character, performed by one or more persons persons present before others, also fall outside the scope of this Act, if other than the actresses or actors, no further persons present are sexually active included[/I]

I think that Swingerlover had already suggested this trick long time before the approval of the law.[/QUOTE]So the trick around this law is to pay a girl to be the audience or just ask a random guy / friend at the club to be the audience and he will get a free show, haha.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1942306]Think it would be risky of me? lol. Can always do Austria yes, but Germany has better logistics and more clubs. So would be a shame....[/QUOTE]I've RTFF and done the required research, and between Vienna and Salzburg I've sourced 13 different establishments to try out. Don't know about you, but that's more than enough to keep me busy!