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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2738063]Regarding the bio-labs in Ukraine, these have a medical purpose, diagnostics, vaccines, treatments, etc. And by no means a military one. That's in spite of some howling from traitorous far-right podcasters and even a bit from Tucker Carlson early on. And if there was anything to this hogwash, why didn't Russia use it as a justification prior to the invasion? All we heard was whining about NATO.

[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/techstream/popular-podcasters-spread-russian-disinformation-about-ukraine-biolabs/[/URL]

One thing far-right loons in the states and the Russian government have in common is this penchant for spinning out self-serving, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. In that they are two peas in a pod, thus the bromance.[/QUOTE]Far-right loons in the states are comrades-at-heart with Putin, his most useful Western idiot soldiers for his anti-American agenda, on orders from his best useful idiot ever, Donald J. Trump.

And on the racist winger grievance front championed by Tucker Carlson and other winger spokesmen, far-right loons in the states have for years mimicked, shared and styled their tone and talking points from the other great anti-American force in the world, China:

[B]Right-wing populism with Chinese characteristics? Identity, otherness and global imaginaries in debating world politics online[/B]

[URL]https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1354066119850253[/URL]

For all that phony flag hugging and Pledge of Allegiance mumbling, supporters of the Repub Party have finally been revealed to be nothing more than devoted traitorous Russian agents and passionate mouth pieces for the Communist Chinese mindset.

The Feds filed another nail in Donnie the Dumbass' coffin last night just before midnight Eastern Daylight Time.

To support the filing, the Feds took pictures of some of the boxes that Donnie the Dumbass had at Mar-a-Lago. I tried to attach the photo to quiet those members of the moron brigade who say that Donnie the Dumbass didn't have any classified material. It was in the wrong format so I have included an article with the photo instead. [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/us-respond-request-special-master-151511326.html[/URL].

And to those members of the moron brigade who claim that Donnie the Dumbass cooperated fully with the Feds, the following source shoots massive holes into that argument. [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/timeline-fbi-search-of-trumps-mar-a-lago-estate-followed-a-monthslong-probe-193531150.html[/URL].

To those members of the moron brigade who claim that Donnie the Dumbass had a "standing order to declassify everything", there's this: "the claim that Trump had a standing declassification order has been widely disputed by members of his own administration. CNN spoke to 18 former Trump administration officials who said they had never heard of any such order, some calling the claim "nonsense" and "bullshit. "" The source is from the above citation.

And finally, to the remaining members of the moron brigade who still claim that Donnie the Dumbass actually did declassify the documents in the photo, please answer the following questions. If the documents actually were declassified, that means that anybody in the entire world ought to have access to them. Do you agree? And furthermore, if the documents in question were declassified, why did Donnie the Dumbass have them? They are part of the public record and he was illegally in possession of them.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2738054]Well maybe you should go and live in some of these countries to see what the real situation is.

No it was not a coup it was the people rejecting a corrupt regime.[/QUOTE]You are using the same fallacy that PVM used and I highlighted. You suppose that living in a place gives you a greater insight in to a reality. If that were the case, then we would see that USAns have a clearer understanding of the reality of the 2019 Trump / Biden election result than foreigners. This is clearly not the case; in fact the opposite is true. The same can be said about the Apartheid era in South Africa where the majority of white people did not accept that the conservative government was murdering and torturing black people. Same in Nazi Germany. The list is endless and conclusively debunks your point. The truth is you are far more likely to be propagandized by those around you.

Of course it was a coup. Your statement merely shows you do not understand what a coup is. People rejecting a corrupt regime would not exclude a coup.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2738202]You are using the same fallacy that PVM used and I highlighted. You suppose that living in a place gives you a greater insight in to a reality. If that were the case, then we would see that USAns have a clearer understanding of the reality of the 2019 Trump / Biden election result than foreigners. This is clearly not the case; in fact the opposite is true. The same can be said about the Apartheid era in South Africa where the majority of white people did not accept that the conservative government was murdering and torturing black people. Same in Nazi Germany. The list is endless and conclusively debunks your point. The truth is you are far more likely to be propagandized by those around you.

Of course it was a coup. Your statement merely shows you do not understand what a coup is. People rejecting a corrupt regime would not exclude a coup.[/QUOTE]No it wasn't a coup. Yanukovich illegally ordered the murder of civilian protesters. Fleeing arrest is not a coup. I was an outsider I had no stake in the process. You and a couple of the right wing loons here would be the only people to consider that a coup.

Yep.

It is very likely that [B]either[/B] the "video surveillance footage" of the Mar-a-Lago storage room where Donnie the Dumbass kept his illegally obtained classified information [B]or[/B] witness testimony, led the DOJ to believe that Donnie the Dumbass had records moved from the storage room to other parts of his residence. "The government also developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the Storage Room and that efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government's investigation," the department said in a filing in USA District Court in the Southern District of Florida. [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/u-justice-dept-responds-trump-033151965.html[/URL].

And furthermore, the Government says that Donnie the Dumbass brought all of this on himself. Had he just returned the classified documents as requested, none of this would have happened. Which begs the question, did Donnie the Dumbass purposely withhold the documents to see what the DOJ would do? [URL]https://news.yahoo.com/justice-department-offers-scathing-response-035001888.html[/URL].

The moron brigade will, however, try to spin this. Probably with a "but the search warrant" or "but her emails" deflection.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2738202]You are using the same fallacy that PVM used and I highlighted. You suppose that living in a place gives you a greater insight in to a reality. If that were the case, then we would see that USAns have a clearer understanding of the reality of the 2019 Trump / Biden election result than foreigners. This is clearly not the case; in fact the opposite is true. The same can be said about the Apartheid era in South Africa where the majority of white people did not accept that the conservative government was murdering and torturing black people. Same in Nazi Germany. The list is endless and conclusively debunks your point. The truth is you are far more likely to be propagandized by those around you.

Of course it was a coup. Your statement merely shows you do not understand what a coup is. People rejecting a corrupt regime would not exclude a coup.[/QUOTE]You are ascribing to me an argument I didn't use. What I think I said was that the OP to whom I was replying loved posting pro-Russian propaganda so much that he ought to live in Russia. What I believe I didn't say was that living in Russia gives somebody a greater insight into reality.

BTW, 81 million folks from the USA have a very clear understanding of what happened in the 2019 presidential election. 74 million do not.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2738063]Regarding the bio-labs in Ukraine, these have a medical purpose, diagnostics, vaccines, treatments, etc. And by no means a military one. That's in spite of some howling from traitorous far-right podcasters and even a bit from Tucker Carlson early on. And if there was anything to this hogwash, why didn't Russia use it as a justification prior to the invasion? All we heard was whining about NATO.

[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/techstream/popular-podcasters-spread-russian-disinformation-about-ukraine-biolabs/[/URL]

One thing far-right loons in the states and the Russian government have in common is this penchant for spinning out self-serving, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. In that they are two peas in a pod, thus the bromance.[/QUOTE]Pauline I have ask you several times if you have been to Ukraine, but you never bother to answer. Why start dealing in reality now. Ukraine was a shit show and one of the most corrupt countries in the world, but you conveniently leave this out off all your ridiculous posts. Did they deserve to be invaded no, but they also did nothing to deescalate tension with Russia, honestly the provoked Russia.

This war needs to end, just a total disaster for everyone. You never talk about this. Ukraine was a bad place, but you think Colombia is paradise. You have very low standards.

[QUOTE=Canada;2737892]They already have. Robberies in high end communities in California are up tremendously. Rodeo Drive in LA has had numerous robberies and people have been warned to not wear jewelry or expensive watches on the streets.[/QUOTE]How very apropos for the 3rd world.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2738224]You are ascribing to me an argument I didn't use. What I think I said was that the OP to whom I was replying loved posting pro-Russian propaganda so much that he ought to live in Russia. What I believe I didn't say was that living in Russia gives somebody a greater insight into reality.
[/QUOTE]I didn't write that in response to your post. To you, I wrote: "Not sure why someone who believes the government of a particular country should go and live there. If I believed the Fijian government and Ecuadorian government, would I need dual citizenship? What if I believed many countries. Would I then be consigned to a nomadic lifestyle?

This was in response to you suggesting that someone go and live in a countyr if they believe in that country's government.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2738205]No it wasn't a coup. Yanukovich illegally ordered the murder of civilian protesters. Fleeing arrest is not a coup. I was an outsider I had no stake in the process. You and a couple of the right wing loons here would be the only people to consider that a coup.[/QUOTE]Practically everyone in the world agrees it was a coup. Only some NATO members and other interested parties do not. If you read the mainstream media, you consume the propaganda from the NATO countries, so your propagandized.

"Fleeing arrest is not a coup" - what nonsense! That is one of the mostly likely outcomes of a coup. Either the sitting president is arrested and thrown in jail (occassionally executed), or he flees.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2738095][b]Yakety Sax? Pure gold.[/b] Wasn't that the background score to Benny Hill chasing the hot girls around LMAO.

I loved that damn show in the 70's...[/QUOTE] Considering this is mainly a "pussy" forum, where we literally come to [b]"run around and chase" hot women, [/b] (even if some of us do it in, [u]"Trumperfied shithole"[/u] cites/countries), what better theme music would there be....duh!

While most dudes come here to mainly chase pussy and share their experiences, other dudes not so much!

So, play on yakety sax "Benny Hill", play on! (....kkkk! Very ISG apt, almost to a fault!).

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2738224]BTW, 81 million folks from the USA have a very clear understanding of what happened in the 2019 presidential election. 74 million do not.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I much lower percentage than in foreign countries.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2738241]Pauline I have ask you several times if you have been to Ukraine, but you never bother to answer. Why start dealing in reality now. Ukraine was a shit show and one of the most corrupt countries in the world, but you conveniently leave this out off all your ridiculous posts. Did they deserve to be invaded no, but they also did nothing to deescalate tension with Russia, honestly the provoked Russia.

This war needs to end, just a total disaster for everyone. You never talk about this. Ukraine was a bad place, but you think Colombia is paradise. You have very low standards.[/QUOTE]GDreams' post answered all of your questions re: Ukraine. I don't know how to point to it so I'll copy-and-paste what he said: "Well maybe you should go and live in some of these countries to see what the real situation is. I first went to Kiev when the protesters were camped on Kreshatik during the orange revolution protesting the obviously rigged election in 2004. Yushenko had been poisoned with dioxin and Yanukovich had supposedly won after massive voter fraud. After a redo triggered by the Supreme Court annulling the result Yushenko won.

I married a girl from Kiev. Her parents lived in Kiev. When Yanukovich won in 2010 they we all happy, Yanukovich is a good guy, Putin is a great leader blah blah. When Yanukovich pulled out of the European trade deal on orders from Putin the people protested. Ukranians want to be close to Europe, they want the higher value trade, access to good jobs not be tied to the corrupt Russian economy. When Yanukovich brought in thugs from the east to quell the protests and started shooting protestors my wife was horrified. When other police and military refused to obey Yanukovichs illegal orders he fled.

No it was not a coup it was the people rejecting a corrupt regime. My now ex wife and her family hate Yanukovich and Putin with a passion. There are around 40 million Ukrainians who share that view. The situation today is due to the meddling of Putin ordering Yanukovich to pull out of the European trade deal and to put down the protestors. That turned supporters into die hard opponents of the majority of Ukrainians. ".

That Ukraine [B]was[/B] a shit show at one point in time has absolutely no bearing on them now. Case in point, if you see interviews of Donnie the Dumbass from the 70's, he sounds like a more-or-less normal human being. Now he sounds like a raving lunatic. Actually, he [B]is[/B] a raving lunatic. Just like his supporters.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2738205]No it wasn't a coup. Yanukovich illegally ordered the murder of civilian protesters. Fleeing arrest is not a coup. I was an outsider I had no stake in the process. You and a couple of the right wing loons here would be the only people to consider that a coup.[/QUOTE]Wingnuts would probably call what happened in Romania to Ceaucescu a coup as well. The only thing they don't see as a "coup" is what happened in January 6th, 2020. How they believe that a bunch of Democrats dressed up like dumper morons to protest an election that they won is beyond me. But, then again, most of what wingers believe is beyond me.

But there's always this [URL]https://www.thebulwark.com/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-in-2014-and-since-then/[/URL].

[QUOTE=GDreams;2738052]LOL. Well firstly let me congratulate you on admitting that the Trump trade war was a complete failure. According to you the Chinese dropped their exchange rate and by doing that the tariffs had no impact because the pricing was the same going into the US. All the pain the farmers went through requiring the huge unauthorized bailout was for nothing because all China needed to do to win the Trump disaster trade war was to drop their exchange rate.

So back to the point. Your exchange rate spin is still that. Importers paid the tax not China, Importers passed that price increase over to consumers and Trump handed those taxes over to farmers to buy their votes just like you accuse Biden of doing with student loans. Anyone with an ounce of integrity would just admit the simple facts of the matter but that is beyond you. Unless its business getting a handout or tax cut all we get from you and your ilk is rage. Guess what, you don't always get what you want, there is always a squareup when the other side is always on the wrong side of the handouts. Maybe you should consider that and support moderates instead of fascist scum.

I spent 4 years in Mongolia buy equipment from China, I am pretty familiar with Chinese business so I don't require any lessons from you.[/QUOTE]Obviously you are not a businessman that did business with China. At least not on the financial side. I did over $200 million dollars with China over 10 years importing into USA, Canada and Kazakhstan. Paid millions on anti dumping tariffs but still charged our customers a lower price because China devalued their currency. The factories and workers get paid in RMB. When we purchased $1,000,000 RMB of product before devalation we paid $158,478 USD. After devaluing their currency we paid $140,845 USD. We paid the 10% so our total cost was $154,930 which allowed us to sell to our customers at the same price we had before the tariffs. But under Trump tarriffs the USA government collected billions, China factories got billions less. With the trade war farmers lost business. Trump just made sure that the farmers were not hurt and gave them a small percentage of what he collected.

You obviously need lessons from somebody because you never learned anything from your supposed business.