East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1846253]He had already been scammed in Suzhou, then willfully followed a tout to a scam massage. After all that, and having read about the teahouse scam, he is led by another tout to the teashouse scam on the same trip. Plus, he speaks Chinese. Appreciate the post, as it's always good to warn newbies, but your friend might be better off staying in Taiwan.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1846300]The message is something I see over and over again. Blame the person making the report for being a dumb fuck. You GUYs are pitiful. I hope someone shows you some compassion when you get arrested as the windy weather comes.[/QUOTE]

I like to keep a shadow of doubt about opinions but in this case I have to say, "If the brassiere fits wear it!

Don't feed the troll.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1846176]Speaking the language, being Taiwanese and being scammed twice. Well, no offense, he deserved it![/QUOTE]Well, some people are simply more gullible than others.

And the story almost always involves some "cute girl who insists on. ".

LOL, I'm also ABC from Taiwan, and I think he deserved it too.

Just being able to speak the language doesn't always mean you understand it in their social context.

But following touts in Shanghai after he got scammed in another city is just plain dumb.

BTW, be wary of girls in the "English Corner" in parks and schools.
Many parks and schools in Shanghai feature a little part in the park called "English Corner/英語角" where locals approach foreigners and practice or exchange languages.
Apparently some of these touts and girls have setup shop at these places.
A friend of mine claimed he got scammed by two "really hot" girls he met at Fudan University's English Corner.
After two pots of tea and an hour of chit-chat, he was charged a bill of 3,000 RMB at a cafe near the school.
He said he ended the conversation prematurely when he started to notice the girls are more interested in his occupation and how much he makes more than anything else.
He can't quite remember the exact location, but he says it was definitely within walking distance.
I suspect he was led toward the alleys outside the South Gate of Fudan U.

[QUOTE=Optional;1845019]I doubt they have security cams (that would be weird. ! If I uh connect with a girl, I always ask for her WeChat. I've had some that, once you build up a bit of familiarity, end up just coming over to my apartment directly, cutting out the middleman (aka the sauna). I still pay the girls, of course.[/QUOTE]How do you get the very busy sauna girls over at your place, I mean they work every day from lunch time till late. When they are on their week off, they usually take a rest and do not seem very eager to do some side business.

Recently I noticed a interesting establishment on the corner of Weifang Lu / Pudong South Rd. It is sandwiched between a cigarette store and a restaurant and from the outside looks like some KTV. At the entrance they have LCD screens showing love hotel style rooms. I also saw some young couples go in, so I figured you might be able to bring your freebee there for a discrete encounter. One day, I entered the place and made some inquiry, the front desk guy showed me around, it is indeed a hotel with nice rooms, I got the impression they rent short time too, but the communication was a bit difficult. Does anyone have some more info. Thanks.

Checked out my favorite haunt yesterday : Hongsong / Hongjing Lu. Have not been there for months and the streets look very different, no more bright pink shops stacked with girls waving at you. Most shops were closed and only a few had girls sitting in darkness. I mean who are they trying to fool, still operating under darkness? Anyway I did not feel like exploring further since the darkness prevented me from properly checking out the goods. Ah, back in the good old days...

[QUOTE=Changlelu;1846595]Checked out my favorite haunt yesterday : Hongsong / Hongjing Lu. Have not been there for months and the streets look very different, no more bright pink shops stacked with girls waving at you. Most shops were closed and only a few had girls sitting in darkness. [/QUOTE]Most of Minhang is like this since a change in the local gov. As soon as they open, the police will knock at the door for inspection.

Its been that way since 2nd week of January. Rumor at the begining was about the death of someone in a sauna near HongMei Road but the total lock down has been going on for nearly 2 month now except the week during the CNY (as the police was on vacation). Some places reopen with lights turned down and even then they will still get controled from time to time.

The fact that some highly connected places have not been able to reverse the situation in 2 months shows this is a hard move...

I don't go to saunas as I prefer the MP scene but usually check which one advertise / don't to see the safe / unsafe places. If you look at chinese websites theres no more saunas listed in the Minhang district (nor in Jing'an district although the lockdown is less severe there as there are still many MPs opened) but a bunch of them in Hongkou and a few in Changning, Jiading and Zhabei.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;1846585]How do you get the very busy sauna girls over at your place, I mean they work every day from lunch time till late. When they are on their week off, they usually take a rest and do not seem very eager to do some side business.[/QUOTE]I don't know either. But I think they do have some days off (maybe extra days for their period or sick leave?

I've met quite a few girls who like to talk about shopping. A lot.

I've actually received a call from a lady working at 999 like 11:30 PM, she asked me if I was interested in joining her for hotpot at 2 AM?

Of course I declined because I had work to do the next morning.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1846344]Sinofaguo is right, often the "manager" (in fact they are "sales guys" who get paid per head) change the place, get fired or what ever and their business base are their customers. If they follow him / her, the business go on, if they keep in the old venue, he is "out" of the game. So it's popular to trick around in a case like that and call the new place a second branch or tell the customers the old venue is closed.

Unfortunately this is not the case with the Kang Ding Lu Sauna. One of the "leaders" in this area has changed and shit happens, the new one is no one who has a "good relationship" with the guys who run the sauna, so there was no other choice than close it. And we have been informed, that there is no "schedule" or plan to reopen there. So seems there is only one more thing to say: R. I. P. It was a nice place and not so far outside!

Also the 45 sauna as the "follow up place" for the Min Hang Sauna has actually the same problem. They still hope they will be able to "built up the relationship", but till that will work, they also no able to open again. But we already researched some good replacements. We will do the checks and page updates next days. Luckily there are still hundreds of saunas in Shanghai (even it get less and less).

Have a good time.[/QUOTE]The boss of 45 must be going crazy, if my information is correct, he just 're-opened' that place last February and just opened a 2nd Hi-end place down the road this past November. Seems he had a lot of power. Not to mention the money invested.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;1846585]How do you get the very busy sauna girls over at your place, I mean they work every day from lunch time till late. When they are on their week off, they usually take a rest and do not seem very eager to do some side business.[/QUOTE]I agree that this is a hard task. The girls normally work at least 12 hours a day, and the only days they mostly not work are their "red holidays", which is a time you also not really want to spend together with a sauna girl. So mostly they are not interested to date customers "outside". Combined with the fact, that this is a "No Go Rule" in every sauna, and if their management would find out, they will be fired and it would be hard for them to find another job, because many of the managers are share experiences like that. So a girl must trust a customer a lot before she start to date him. Mostly that happen when they just quit one job and they are free till they start a new one. In this time many of this girls try to find out, if they also could survive with their "old customers" as freelancers. If successful, they go on, if not, they will work in the next sauna.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1847576]I agree that this is a hard task. The girls normally work at least 12 hours a day, and the only days they mostly not work are their "red holidays", which is a time you also not really want to spend together with a sauna girl. So mostly they are not interested to date customers "outside". Combined with the fact, that this is a "No Go Rule" in every sauna, and if their management would find out, they will be fired and it would be hard for them to find another job, because many of the managers are share experiences like that. So a girl must trust a customer a lot before she start to date him. Mostly that happen when they just quit one job and they are free till they start a new one. In this time many of this girls try to find out, if they also could survive with their "old customers" as freelancers. If successful, they go on, if not, they will work in the next sauna.[/QUOTE]Agree with SHG. However, here are a few things to keep in mind.

The MP and sauna girls take 40-60% with the rest going to the house, so they probably make about 200-500 rmb max per customer.

Most of these places do let the girls take a few hours off if they are "red popular".

99% Chinese guys do not tip so the girls don't make any extra cash.

These girls are in the business for one thing only. Money (not the sex like some would think).

It makes things 100 times easier if you speak the language. Get their wechat ID, remind them that doing take outs give them 100% without the house taking a cut, tip them a little (while you're still seeing them at the sauna), send a few text once in awhile so they remember you, be willing to pay just a little more. I've had success, they all seem willing if you make it worth their while.

The challenge though, is to get the girls to shave, if you somehow managed to convince them to do so, I'd sure like to know how ...

Seems like only the independents go bald. A few WG in the Suzhou bars shave. Lots of massage gals are married so shaving would not go over well with the hubby. Try DATY. That might loosen them up to do takeout. But money is the only incentive, really.

Hey,

I'm interested in whether there's a bar where you can pick up WGs that's a bit more relaxed than Judy's or Manhatten's. Somewhere you can sit down and have a few beers in a more relaxed environment, but still take a girl home if you want.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1848012]Seems like only the independents go bald. A few WG in the Suzhou bars shave. Lots of massage gals are married so shaving would not go over well with the hubby. Try DATY. That might loosen them up to do takeout. But money is the only incentive, really.[/QUOTE]Apart from mongering my other hobby is photography, girls on the street and model shoots (with girls I meet on the street). Armed with a sound portfolio of good photos it is very easy to approach girls on the street or even in Starbucks. Much better than endlessly lurking on Wechat etc. A few times I met a massage or sauna girl outside for a shoot and once my reward was a nice BJ in the park where we took the shoot. My final 'shot' was best ....

[QUOTE=Jmac12;1848129]Hey,

I'm interested in whether there's a bar where you can pick up WGs that's a bit more relaxed than Judy's or Manhatten's. Somewhere you can sit down and have a few beers in a more relaxed environment, but still take a girl home if you want.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Hi JMac. I was just at Purple Mountain hotel this past weekend and there are a few WGs who hang out at the lobby bar. I have hooked up 2 out of 3 nights there! They look like regular "plain-janes" but trust me. Behind closed doors they are little tigers.

Peace!

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