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[QUOTE=Manta Ray; 1353012]In Shibuya, I normally use Gimpeur, which is bit hit and'miss in terms of quality of service, but overall more hit than miss. I have also tried a couple of the Dogenzaka 'Relaxation' Massage places that have signs on the street, but I haven't managed to get more than a nice 60 min massage (wearing that ridiculous paper t-back panty) for around ¥8000 in any of them-in other words, no HE was offered.

I do walk by the Shibuya Kadoebi store quite often, but have never ventured in. I do understand from your post that it is unpredictably Gaijin friendly. That said, could you give an idea of your experience at that branch. Eg, the gals (looks and service) and the total standard price.

Many thanks.

Manta Ray[/QUOTE]I don't have any experience with the higher end Kadoebi shops, only the lower priced places. The girls are older and not very attractive in my experience, much like NYNY or Champs. The difference is you get FS and pay Y5000 or more than NYNY or Champs extra for the service. You also get mat service included, just like any other soap. Service has always been OK, nothing extraordinary or memorable but plenty OK. For Y15000-Y21000 it is OK but not a bargain. The main thing is you are getting a Japanese lady for the premium over the Chinese and Korean places. Don't expect some 20-something hot thing, though. You will be very disappointed. And, you have to deal with the rejection if they are willing to service foreigners.

[QUOTE=Homer69;1353627]I don't have any experience with the higher end Kadoebi shops, only the lower priced places. The girls are older and not very attractive in my experience, much like NYNY or Champs. The difference is you get FS and pay Y5000 or more than NYNY or Champs extra for the service. You also get mat service included, just like any other soap. Service has always been OK, nothing extraordinary or memorable but plenty OK. For Y15000-Y21000 it is OK but not a bargain. The main thing is you are getting a Japanese lady for the premium over the Chinese and Korean places. Don't expect some 20-something hot thing, though. You will be very disappointed. And, you have to deal with the rejection if they are willing to service foreigners.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info H69. I will probably give Kadoebi a miss as I really am not interested in paying ¥20000 for an an older, not very attractive woman, Japanese or otherwise. What I would really like to find in Shibuya is a HE-guaranteed type of good-quality massage place, a la Asian Feeling. If any of you know of this type of place in Shibuya, do give a shout.

Over the past few months, I have been selectively trying the 'Relaxation massage' places on Dogenzaka that have signs in front. However, so far, all of them I've tried are paper-panty required, offering slightly titilating 60 min 'soft touch' massage, but ultimately no HE, for around ¥7000-10, 000. The search continues.

Manta Ray

[QUOTE=Homer69;1353624]This is EXACTLY my experience with the Korean places that offer akasuri and hot towels. I have had FS before but I know it was not part of the standard service and the girl was going rogue in doing this. It was supposed to be sumata but I guess she figures FS is easier or something.[/QUOTE]Bareback? I've only been to these places a few time, and I was pretty shocked when one girl put me inside with no cover during the sumata. It wasn't one of those really good sumata that feels like FS, it was the real deal. I creamed inside of her!

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1353649]Bareback? I've only been to these places a few time, and I was pretty shocked when one girl put me inside with no cover during the sumata. It wasn't one of those really good sumata that feels like FS, it was the real deal. I creamed inside of her![/QUOTE]It has always been offered BB but I always insisted on covered. It's always up to the girl but I find most of the Korean ones are pretty reckless in this regard.

[QUOTE=Manta Ray; 1353646]Thanks for the info H69. I will probably give Kadoebi a miss as I really am not interested in paying ¥20000 for an an older, not very attractive woman, Japanese or otherwise. What I would really like to find in Shibuya is a HE-guaranteed type of good-quality massage place, a la Asian Feeling. If any of you know of this type of place in Shibuya, do give a shout.

Over the past few months, I have been selectively trying the 'Relaxation massage' places on Dogenzaka that have signs in front. However, so far, all of them I've tried are paper-panty required, offering slightly titilating 60 min 'soft touch' massage, but ultimately no HE, for around ¥7000-10, 000. The search continues.

Manta Ray[/QUOTE]One thing I can say about Kadoebi is that the website pictures are pretty accurate including the measurements. Old and not attractive is not a barrier for me. They seem to try harder than young hot ones I've had, but that's just my preference. Those places in Dogenzaka are a waste of money. I prefer to know exactly what I'm getting before I pay anything. If you speak directly to the tencho using indirect nuanced language you can usually get a sense of what the expectation is with respect to HJ or BJ. Honban is something I usually don't talk about directly unless I know it's a Chinese place and they don't care. I never broach the subject in a Japanese health or soap.

[QUOTE=Homer69;1353626]Akasuri grinds off a good layer of skin. If you have it too often you're going to look like a sunburned, fair-skinned alcoholic with a fever.[/QUOTE]Yikes. I totally forgot about the scrubbing part (I just was thinking about the rubbing part!) I like your imagery. Thanks for the heads up.

LD

[QUOTE=Lurkingdog; 1353796]Yikes. I totally forgot about the scrubbing part (I just was thinking about the rubbing part!) I like your imagery. Thanks for the heads up.

LD[/QUOTE]Akasuri is an option, you can have just a massage. Go back in a couple of weeks and ask for the same girl.

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Has anyone met Ran from Hinomaru yet? She looks cute. I hope she is not another Mirai

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Has anyone met Ran from Hinomaru yet? She looks cute. I hope she is not another Mirai[/QUOTE]Yesterday was her first day (according to the website). My buddy says he's going tomorrow to try her out. I'm looking forward to his report for sure.

[QUOTE=Homer69;1352934]Maybe I'm dense. Are you all talking about a specific branch or the entire chain? They vary from lower end to medium. The lower end places have always been hit or miss depending on who is working at the time, the shift and the tencho you talk to. The Shibuya store is the one I'm most familiar with. I've had about 75% success rate there but have been flat turned down even though I am a semi-repeat customer. The regular tencho I always deal with has no problems with me but another guy just waves me off without much discussion.[/QUOTE]There is no "maybe" in my case as I am a regular member in the dense club.

I was referring to the specific branch that was visited. I have tried the Shibuya one too a couple of times but never succeeded. But this is also way back.

Was in the mood for FS and so went back to Himawari. Had Yuka once again and she obviously remembered me from before. This time I paid 15, 000 for 70 (rather than 10, 000 for 50) so it would seem so rushed. I got the scrub a dub in the table shower that I did not get before and the remainder was similar to the last visit. She must have been a little more turned on (or perhaps more comfortable with me as this was my second time with her) and she let me do a little more roaming with the hands and I was able to get fully inside of her this time. Again, I took my time and I could tell whether I was causing her pain or not but again afterwards, she was very complementary and said all sorts of nice things (perhaps just "customer relations"). With us having a little more time, she was more relaxed and I managed to spend some time giving her a back massage. Doing that, and rubbing up again her nice little booty got junior excited again but we didn't have any time to take care of a 2nd course (as it was she went over time by about 10 minutes). It was a nice evening. On the way home, I got solicited by a women outside of a Thai massage place. She wanted 3, 000 yen for 30 minutes. I respectfully declined. It seemed unlikely to lead to anything more.

In summary, comparing the two places (Tomato and Himawari). The massage is far better at Tomato in my opinion.

LD

Thanks for the report, LD.

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Is this the place you went to? Didn't see Yuka on the ladies' list.

I think he is talking about the Himawari in Okachimachi [url]http://www.ksc-himawari.com/[/url]

The link doesn't work for me though.

[QUOTE=Cheap; 1355325]Thanks for the report, LD.

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Is this the place you went to? Didn't see Yuka on the ladies' list.[/QUOTE]

I was just cruzing the Happy Berry website and looked at the hime_pure video. Man, oh man! I need to go to this place when I visit in a few months! Seriously, there must be some sort of service where non-Japanese speakers can get translation / introduction to these places! Of course, I'm totally suffering from the "what I can't have must be sooo great" syndrome. After all, can a BJ only place even hold a candle to the German FKKs?

[QUOTE=Cheap; 1355325]Thanks for the report, LD.

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Is this the place you went to? Didn't see Yuka on the ladies' list.[/QUOTE]Yamoto1 is correct. I went to the Himawari near the Okachimachi station (on the 4F, one floor above Tomato). I didn't know about the one to which you refer with the web-site. Have you been there? Please report on your experience if you have.

LD