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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2161011]Sure.

Any one that doesn't fit your political agenda is a Feminist, and all men who subscribe to views that don't agree with yours must be pushovers, regardless of how successful they are.

Yes, let's go with that.[/QUOTE]Not at all. The reasoning behind the creation of money would fit very well into a feminist agenda, as the feminist idea of equal pay would nullify part of it. However it would still give advantages to older adults over younger adults drenched in loans. Nothing is black and white. There is not just a sex war going on, there is also a generational war too.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2160962]What is a beta male? Not agreeing with the anti women garbage makes you a beta male?

In 21st century, you are an alpha male if you make or have plenty of money, and have the freedom that comes with it. If you don't, you are a beta male.[/QUOTE]In most cases you are right until now yes. Until #metoo. After this, a man also needs the good looks and physique. Part of equality for women is that they want the same optics men want in women. So we all better hit the gym. And some claim we also need to start using male make up. LOL. I saw a story about how normal that is in Korea. Scared me a bit.

A couple of weeks ago I was in Europe for business and I was able to go to the FKK 4 times and I loved it and spent a fortune. This week I am at Disney on vacation and I hate it and I am spending more money. I walk around Disney looking at these pretty hot MILFs thinking "Hmm, I'd give that one 50 Euros for 30 minutes and that one I would be willing to go 1-hour for 100 Euros" and "I wonder if Snow White and Cinderella are interactive. ".

Why don't they erect an FKK in Epcot? I can't wait to get back to work.

Sorry for posting so damn much in these threads. I'm going to sit near the water and read books the next week.

Have fun in FKK land. I miss it.

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2161040]A couple of weeks ago I was in Europe for business and I was able to go to the FKK 4 times and I loved it and spent a fortune. This week I am at Disney on vacation and I hate it and I am spending more money. I walk around Disney looking at these pretty hot MILFs thinking "Hmm, I'd give that one 50 Euros for 30 minutes and that one I would be willing to go 1-hour for 100 Euros" and "I wonder if Snow White and Cinderella are interactive. ".[/QUOTE]I do the same thing. Hmmm I would do her for 50! Wouldn't do her for 50 but maybe 30 in the rtc's. 4 ribeye steaks costs $43? That's a half hour with Hanna at Acapulco! $80 to fill up my gas tank?! That's a 30 min BJ with CIM!

Jnp30: money does not equal alpha. Binary statements are less than persuasive. Life is far more fluid. There are plenty of people with net worth well north of USD 100 m who acquired it as trust fund babies, random luck in IPO's and the crony capitalist class along with the self made. Many are remarkably conventional and boring and straight jacketed by expectations and lack of imagination. Others are scared cats who jump at anything and lock themselves away. Many do not travel. Others are serious drunks and druggies. Some have it all: clever, fit, humble, adventurous and good looking.

Money does not equal feats of intellectual or entrepreneurial brilliance, physical bravery, risk taking with your own money, or hard work. There is some overlap, but just as many exceptions. I have personal experience in this in four continents. Walk along Knightsbrige or Chelsea in London or New York or go to a polo match and you will see what I mean. Plenty of pussy whipped tubs of lard treated like infants by their minders.

The very terms alpha and beta imply submissiveness and inferiority relative to something else.

I think Takedown nailed it: the alpha keeps his own counsel, ignore false flags and false value / virtue signalers and has the courage to follow his vision when everyone is flagging him down telling him he is going the wrong way. He also admits error promptly, questions assumptions, and corrects course. The fellow handy to have around when the chips are down or everyone else is running around like chickens who is calm. This class is heavily found in entrepreneurs, radicals and to an extent illegal entrepreneurs we label criminals (depending upon jurisdiction). Women can be alphas too. It does not mean being an emotional cripple are hair, muscle bound macho man. It's attitude. You can mostly interchange male and female with what follow below.

The beta male is a slave to cliches, sacred cow assumptions and easily flattered or scared. The beta puts up with low level women taking all his pride, income and rations out (and withholds) sex and affection to force conformity. Weakness is to not know ones own worth, lacking of pride, procrastination and making bad personal choices. The femi-nazis in the USA make out that 100% of men are predators and sort of criminalize just being male (look at ration of male school teachers). The US beta bets everything on a single point of failure and has little or no no internal guidance.

To hell with with femi-nazis and their herbal / organic tea leaf lefty bullshit. I love intelligent, good looking, fun, independent, trustworthy women who know their worth and love to earn male attention by being pleasant in bed and out of bed. It's just that that there is a shortage of them. And I like variety. We are not designed to be monogamous as mammals.

So we make do with FKKs for normal human touch, recreation and company. The people who want to restrict sex are the priests and kooks who are regularly busted for kiddie porn dungeons etc or bull dykes or unloved and unlovable heifers. FKK's offer swimming pools, BBQ and more. Eventually they will offer a real gym and become proper resorts for men. Removing scarcity of sex and having lots of eye candy puts a spring in your step.

Ask yourself: why indeed are they so inconsolably angry about the sexual joy of men? Any why should they have the right to dictate our biology and life choices?

Sorry Phallus, if you think successful people just got there due to luck or other societal inefficiencies and that makes them pushovers and beta makes in your view, I will not disabuse you of that notion.

As I said, feminist is the easy scapegoat here, and apparently a whole slew of ISG members feel happy ranting against this phantom straw wo / man. The funny thing is, there are some obvious right wingers here who claim the leftists are the feminists blocking their path to free and good sex; and then there are some obvious left wingers here who think it is the right wingers to be blamed for blocking their way to free and plentiful sex.

Having a obstinate but nutty opinion alone doesn't make anyone an alpha male. If you read breitbart (crazy right) of huffpost (crazy left) comments section, there are 10,000 guys a day making the most idiotic comments and are so convinced they alone are right. They don't follow anyone's beat except whatever loony clock is ticking in their brain.

They are also not alpha males.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2161011]Sure.

Any one that doesn't fit your political agenda is a Feminist, and all men who subscribe to views that don't agree with yours must be pushovers, regardless of how successful they are.

Yes, let's go with that.[/QUOTE]Lets just go with game theory instead.

And instead of shuffling us into 2 boxes: men and women, lets make 12 boxes: old beta males, old alpha males, young beta males, young alpha males, old alpha women, old beta women, young alpha women, young beta women.

Each of the 12 boxes of people have their own agendas and politics that are good for them.

Feminists does have some point of views that makes sense. Like equal pay, equal swingers rights in such a society etc. And maybe some I can't recall right now.

But mainly the standard feminist agenda regarding prostitution is like living a lie:

1. It is not really a 'feminist' war. Since the very word contains the idea of every female supporting it. While in the case of prostitution, young alpha women gains massive amounts of resources on the idea of paid sex. It is thus a hijacked term.

2. It does not take brain chemicals leading to promiscuity into account. Such brain chemicals (hormones) which has been naturally selected for throughout hundreads of thousands of years are as liberal as homosexuality is for others.

3. The feminists agenda is exactly that. A facist rule of law trying to force through control by using the legal system and media. Recently going as far as to skipping the legal system altogether through #metoo where a trial is not even important. The man is judged just from a woman's story:

[URL]http://theindependent.sg/xiaxue-finds-admirer-in-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-after-she-trolls-virtue-signalling-american-activist/[/URL]

While the real problem which is violence against women is thus turned into a joke, since so many women abuse the signaling effect.

4. If the feminists wants to win this war against violence, the only way is the bonobo way. As anthropology shows, it is women who incites violence between men and men. So the female thus wants the more masculine man to protect her. Leading again to the natural selection of testosterone filled man with a higher chance of hurting the female if he looses control. And testosterone does make one stupider, and makes one try to seek out more social dominance:

[URL]https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-testosterone-alone-doesnt-cause-violence/[/URL]#.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/25/men-blame-hormones-testosterone-trouble-aggression-decision-making[/URL]

5. Being successful is a very loose term. Successful how? Successful in social terms? Economic terms? Successful in producing many children? Successful in having travelled the most and managed to get the most spare time in ones life for playing out hobbies? Successful in happiness? Successful in having had sex with the most women? Successful in having the highest number of friends? There are too many parameters. Not every person has the same goals in life. Especially in the 21st century.

6. Mr. Ho definitely does not have the same goals in life as a Nigerian woman in Lagos trying to take over the world by having 6 children. One can say that is feminism too. For a Nigerian woman. To have as many children as possible and one social man to support her through her whole life. For a Japanese woman, feminism may entail different views going in the completely opposite direction. To have none children at all because they can't be assed with all the Japanese men spending all their money on prostitutes. And then one can discuss how good feminism is for both Japan and Nigeria. Will Nigeria hit the demographic change too? Is poverty gaps due to capitalism and corruption making the transition far more difficult in Nigeria? Is too many children making it worse? Where will all the excess children emigrate to (in Libya where they are used as slaves? How many people can the world support? Will women education lead to reduced fertility rates in Africa also? Will capitalism collapse as the world population starts to fall? Emissions, toxic waste in the oceans of the world? Global warming? You name it. It is all connected, and feminism may just seem to take a central vital part in all of this. Some of which reasons are so important that feminism is a very good thing. At least for the time being. But then it might just need to change. The term has been hijacked in the past, and have different meanings in different countries. And so it can be hijacked once more too.

In any case, what's the point of ranting against these so called feminists here? If we agree with your definition of feminist = anti mongering, at least on this forum one thing that unites all of us is that we are all 100% pro mongering. What's the point of this preaching to the choir, with all this endless anti (anti mongering) sloganeering here? This space can definitely be put to better use, no??

[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2161040]A couple of weeks ago I was in Europe for business and I was able to go to the FKK 4 times and I loved it and spent a fortune. This week I am at Disney on vacation and I hate it and I am spending more money. I walk around Disney looking at these pretty hot MILFs thinking "Hmm, I'd give that one 50 Euros for 30 minutes and that one I would be willing to go 1-hour for 100 Euros" and "I wonder if Snow White and Cinderella are interactive. ".

Why don't they erect an FKK in Epcot? I can't wait to get back to work.

Sorry for posting so damn much in these threads. I'm going to sit near the water and read books the next week.

Have fun in FKK land. I miss it.[/QUOTE]Now I am reviewing all my travels in the coming months, to see for which ones I can change my flight in Frankfurt.

"Successful" means self made by sweat, talent and sacrifice. Some do it for money, but the latter is not the only measure. Some scientists and mathematicians are on the hunt for secrets of the universe or biology etc. But for those who made it financially by self effort, and I have been lucky to be in that club, do tend to have an unreasonable, never accept no, driven, mania type vision. I am yet to meet a beta (as previously defined) who is exceptional on self made effort. But merely having money is not successful per se. That was my point. Inheritance does not entitle you to act superior. You have to have done something exceptional. The alphas are usually creators and leaders. Betas are takers and followers. And some people are in between at various ends of the spectrum at different times.

Also, keep in mind it is noble to have tried hard and failed. It is the trying and persistence that counts, not just a crude "no money, you are a loser, Go die". An alpha gets back on the horse and rides again. They rarely give up. That drive is a very male thing.

We need to be careful with terms like right and left wing, successful and beta / alpha. An awful lot of misdirection and assumptions and definition disconnect lurks and otherwise good dialogue can founder on the rocks because we are not talking the same language or concept. This is why science and math define terms and assumptions carefully.

Wow, we are venturing into philosophy. Some very interesting people in this forum. I suspect there are proportionally my alphas in the hobby than the general population. Maybe that is what the mean by male entitlement; entitled to act like a male and an alpha male at that. And we are not interested in the heifers who are resentful they don't get a second glance from the species of male they desperately want to land.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2161055]
Ask yourself: why indeed are they so inconsolably angry about the sexual joy of men? Any why should they have the right to dictate our biology and life choices?[/QUOTE]The late Angry Harry had an interesting theory about why lesbians are such man-haters. Lesbians resent successful men taking away the beautiful women from them.

Because men are willing to splurge money on them, beautiful women will gravitate towards men regardless of sexual orientation.

Even if a beautiful woman is sexually into women, she will not give up cashing in on her looks with men and she will associate with men.

Of course lesbians have only themselves to blame for no being willing to bring money to the table like men do. But in good female fashion, they will blame men for their failures.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2160963]

I can commit to the following: I'll stop encouraging people to post about BB services when others stop telling them not to.[/QUOTE]Without getting into the detailed discussion of this issue again, I like your commitment. Our monger community is a very tiny small community and in the end we ought to consider and help each other among the members of our community.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2161078]"Successful" means self made by sweat, talent and sacrifice. Some do it for money, but the latter is not the only measure. Some scientists and mathematicians are on the hunt for secrets of the universe or biology etc. But for those who made it financially by self effort, and I have been lucky to be in that club, do tend to have an unreasonable, never accept no, driven, mania type vision. I am yet to meet a beta (as previously defined) who is exceptional on self made effort. But merely having money is not successful per se. That was my point. Inheritance does not entitle you to act superior. You have to have done something exceptional. The alphas are usually creators and leaders. Betas are takers and followers. And some people are in between at various ends of the spectrum at different times.

Also, keep in mind it is noble to have tried hard and failed. It is the trying and persistence that counts, not just a crude "no money, you are a loser, Go die". An alpha gets back on the horse and rides again. They rarely give up. That drive is a very male thing.

We need to be careful with terms like right and left wing, successful and beta / alpha. An awful lot of misdirection and assumptions and definition disconnect lurks and otherwise good dialogue can founder on the rocks because we are not talking the same language or concept. This is why science and math define terms and assumptions carefully..[/QUOTE]Full time professional mongers are either most interesting and intelligent because he thought with his own brain to find his own way to achieve best sex life man can ever dream of instead of accepting society norms we are forced upon during our upbringing in school, society etc.

Or full time professional mongers are most stupid as he simply did not think at all LOL or did not use his brain to think but thought with his dick only and dick keep on leading him to brothel or related facility like German FKK LOL.

It is one of the two above.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2153777]It's been about a year since my last trip to Germany. Usually I go 2 or 3 times a year.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Neurosynth;2160963]My opinions on this are based on many years (approx. 25) of experience not only participating in forums like ISG, but actually creating and managing them.

Points worth considering:

1. The new law has been around for many months now, and the impact has been slight. By most accounts most places still have the same BB services they always have. The main impact has been to push BB services into the rooms and out of public areas.

2. The few cases of BB services causing girls problems are not unique to the post-law period. Most of the trouble is made by girls who don't want to provide BB services, see the ones who do as having a competitive advantage (true!) and want to undercut them. This is the same problem that was here before the law. The law in fact has little to do with it.[/QUOTE]I think we've pointed this out before. You mentioned that you have not visited an FKK or Germany altogether since the beginning of 2017. Without first hand experience, I'm confused as to how you are qualified to make your assessments. On the other hand, none of the members who visit the clubs on a daily, weekly, or even monthly basis seem to share your viewpoint. They are either silent or explicitly against it.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;2161045]I do the same thing. Hmmm I would do her for 50! Wouldn't do her for 50 but maybe 30 in the rtc's. 4 ribeye steaks costs $43? That's a half hour with Hanna at Acapulco! $80 to fill up my gas tank?! That's a 30 min BJ with CIM![/QUOTE]LOL that is why one Monger signs his posts "I spent all my money on beer and girls. The rest I wasted. ".

Can't wait to get back in the saddle.