Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Putero1;2882761]This guy broke at least two universal rules of Colombia: 1. He let unknown girls up into his Airbnb without having the Portero hold their cedula. 2. he allowed girls to bring unknown friends with them. The story is weird AF because all of a sudden there are dudes with guns in their apartment, how did they get by the Portero? He just all of a sudden says there is a guy with a gun at his head in his Airbnb, while the girls were in the bathroom. WTF.[/QUOTE]If you had listened to his story and read the comments, you would know that there was no portero. It was a villa, not an apartment or condominium building. His friend went with the two ladies to let them out and was confronted with guys with guns. He did make mistakes by allowing the first two women to invite other people. Hindsight is 20/20. If he had it to do over, he probably would not let his friend go to the gate after one of the ladies told his friend that the first two women were planning to rob them. He should have stayed put and called his friend on the outside, or the police, for help in getting the women out of his villa. I think his encounter is a story to learn from.

Take a look at the thumbnail of this vid and I'm sure she could've gotten many of us. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rxs1B0cZH4[/URL].

Dude clearly broke some of rules or dumb shit not to do.

- She couldn't wait for his Uber and rushed him in her taxi. DUMB SHIT.

- She talked him into visiting her apt LMAO. Who the fuck does that? Why tf would any gringo go to a chica's apt unless you know her really well? - DUMB SHIT.

One of my centro gal told me few days ago that 3 gringos got killed via scopalomine like 2-3 weeks ago from centro rats and didn't even make the news. She said some girls don't even put it in your drinks, they would put the powder on their breast, neck, stomach area, and come close to you to hug you and baam you're scoped. Or while you're sitting especially. So watch out for that shit. In about 3 weeks once my lease is up I'm heading to Bog for the rest of my 6 mo. Then won't be back in this BS. I can get hawkers anywhere heck prob North Korea will be safer at this point.

Be safe out there.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2882881]If you had listened to his story and read the comments, you would know that there was no portero. It was a villa, not an apartment or condominium building. His friend went with the two ladies to let them out and was confronted with guys with guns. He did make mistakes by allowing the first two women to invite other people. Hindsight is 20/20. If he had it to do over, he probably would not let his friend go to the gate after one of the ladies told his friend that the first two women were planning to rob them. He should have stayed put and called his friend on the outside, or the police, for help in getting the women out of his villa. I think his encounter is a story to learn from.[/QUOTE]Agree, I think he did not act with the urgency needed. Hearing "hey, you're going to be robbed" while in Colombia would light a fire under my ass.

The other big lesson I take away from it, largely because I'm guilty of it, is getting too comfortable. I have several "friends" in Colombia. Male and female. I've known all of them for years. But truth be told, I've only been to the house of a few. Met their families. The others? This makes me think twice about trusting them. Sad, but that's reality.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2882542]

The ultimate test for me and women is if I had to hide my wallet or put it into a safe versus trusting the woman and leaving it out in the open. You would think leaving your wallet out is a sure sign you are going to get burned, but I only misjudged one woman in Colombia on this. What I found was this huge gap in trust. Some Colombian women were so trusting of me they fucked me without asking for a penny and there were others who would rob me blind in a second. Colombia was so binary.

If the police do not care if people get mugged, then Medellin, Colombia is in that early Rio 2000's period IMO. What is sad is that Venezuela used to be the country with property rights and prosperity and Colombia was the black sheep of the family. The roles reversed, and Colombia has come a long way, but IMO I just wonder if they are slipping back to their old ways. It sure seems like it. IMO Colombia really is at a crossroads right now.[/QUOTE]Same, I left my burner phone on the counter while I got my date a snack in the other room and never had an issue. (about 7 woman). Like you, 1 woman I forgot to pay and she told me when she was in her indriver that she had to go to her university and to "pay later". Another (if you read my reports from last April) I never paid again for sex after meeting her parents. Though, I really enjoyed her company, and would much rather lay in bed and laugh at her english and her laugh at my spanish, but we always ended up fucking, never asked me for money since the 1st time, think she considered me her BF at that point. We still talk today. My point, I 100% agree with you that there is a HUGE trust gap in Colombia, or at least Medellin and that Colombia is indeed at a crossroad, well said brotha!

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2882611]The barriers were what I considered "mongering interference. " They didn't make the area any safer, just pushed all the criminal element outside of the perimeter of the barricades, along with the majority of the working girls (the ones that aren't fucking 40 years old atleast) as well. Which meant that instead of having a big open plaza to look for chicas, you were crammed up in between the church and hotel Botero Real in that pedestrian walkway along with the chicas and the ladrones all crammed in there with hardly any space to walk. Making it easier for the ladrones to do a snatch and run.

As someone who has been mongering in the plaza for several years before the barricades and during the 11 months with the barricades, I can assure you that it was much better before the barricades.

I remember chicas used to line the area from the tostao to the church on both sides by the entrance to the CC Veracruz and on the side by Premier Plaza (or whatever the FK they call it now). There also used to be alot of chicas around the horse statue and several other statues too and it was much easier doing laps around the church and the bar street and come back down again to see who might have been missed on the first go around.

And all the stupid tourists with their families weren't there to get in the way. And if you wanted a single cigarette you didn't have to walk outside the barriers to buy one from a vendor.

I'll be heading down there tomorrow to check it out, I look forward to Botero Plaza getting back to normal. God knows it's about time.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]1st off thanks for the pics you posted, looks so different without the barriers. I was there last April when they were in place and felt safe. A change in vibe once you leave and start walking down the street past the church. The woman are more touchy feely as you walk by, I felt I was being watched, constantly looking over my shoulder. I don't know how you guys have the balls to go to Centro at night, after 6 pm. I would like to try, but with someone perhaps for my first few times my next trip next month. I 100% agree that the barriers were a good thing and made mongering easier in centro.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2882889]In about 3 weeks once my lease is up I'm heading to Bog for the rest of my 6 mo. Then won't be back in this BS. I can get hawkers anywhere heck prob North Korea will be safer at this point. Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]

I haven't travelled the entire world, but I am very impressed by the beauty, youth, passion and low prices of Medellin girls. If you like girls of Spanish ancestry then this is paradise. I can't wait to get back. But go to the "erotic massage salons" aka brothels. Anything else is Russian roulette. Unless you enjoy that kind of danger, excitement, living on the edge situation, don't do it.

And besides violent crime, if you pick up girls on the street or off the internet, without some good Spanish language negotiating skills, you can easily get very overcharged. Like paying 300 K for a 50 K experience.

Also: If you are looking for a normal, not transactional, romantic relationship, whether something serious and long term or a short term hookup, then just stay home. You will find in the US, for free, the same women that you will find in Colombia, for free. The plane trip to Colombia did not transform you into a male model or rock star. The pesos do that. Lots of pesos.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2882793]clearly you haven't been visiting centro often (eg your last comment about chorizos place closed, which's been gone for a long time or the fact the passage behind museum was open, which was the same case for a while).
[/QUOTE]Yea I think I mentioned in some of my posts recently that I haven't been going to Centro as often as I used to. I think in the whole month of December I went maybe 3 or 4 times total. Also I don't always go inside the barriers as it was a waste of time to go in there. I would generally hit the pedestrian walkway between the church and Botero Real and then walk down to the bar street and pull girls from the yellow panaderia (yellow restaurant).

I believe during my May-June trip that Chorizos & Asados was still there if I remember correctly.

Also there is a whole lot more area outside of plaza botero itself where there are chicas, pedestrian walkway, the bar street, parque berrio metro stairs, prado area short time hotels (the area where they sell used and stolen stuff on the ground) , parque Bolivar in front of the water fountain, and last but not least a whole separate venue that no one on ISG ever seems to even mention called San Diego / La Cuarenta (after 10 pm).

So when I'm saying I go to Centro it doesn't necessarily mean inside of Botero Plaza.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2882924]I haven't travelled the entire world, but I am very impressed by the beauty, youth, passion and low prices of Medellin girls. If you like girls of Spanish ancestry then this is paradise. I can't wait to get back. But go to the "erotic massage salons" aka brothels. Anything else sounds to me like Russian roulette. Unless you enjoy that kind of danger, excitement, living on the edge situation, don't do it. And besides violent crime, if you pick up girls on the street or off the internet, without some good Spanish language negotiating skills, you can easily get very overcharged. Like paying 300 K for a 50 K experience.[/QUOTE]Spanish is pretty good and super low key. Prob why I survived almost 4 mos so far here without an incident. Most fellow mongers I meet that are here long-term also practice the common sense you wrote above. I work on a PC all day and I'm tired of seeing bad news, drugging, all this BS like daily now popping on my Youtube feed LOL. I'm like am I next or what?. But then I know I don't do dumb shit. Since I'm no longer using Tinder or apps, I try to meet randoms in person besides the typical erotic spas / casas, so I flirted with this beauty at the mall few days ago. Tall, model type, morena, 20 yrs, old. Amazingly got her attention and exchanged whatsapp and banged her on 12/31 in a love motel since I no longer bring new girls to my apt. We went to lunch first to discuss future arrangements like a GF / BF w benefits and agreed. Shit was so sweet OMG. Temporarily forgot all the medellin dramas and loved life for that entire 5 minutes I lasted LOL. Kidding I lasted a little longer but dang, aint nothing like nonpro latin pussy LOL. Rob me already lmao.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2882924]I haven't travelled the entire world, but I am very impressed by the beauty, youth, passion and low prices of Medellin girls. If you like girls of Spanish ancestry then this is paradise. I can't wait to get back. But go to the "erotic massage salons" aka brothels. Anything else is Russian roulette. Unless you enjoy that kind of danger, excitement, living on the edge situation, don't do it.

And besides violent crime, if you pick up girls on the street or off the internet, without some good Spanish language negotiating skills, you can easily get very overcharged. Like paying 300 K for a 50 K experience.

Also: If you are looking for a normal, not transactional, romantic relationship, whether something serious and long term or a short term hookup, then just stay home. You will find in the US, for free, the same women that you will find in Colombia, for free. The plane trip to Colombia did not transform you into a male model or rock star. The pesos do that. Lots of pesos.[/QUOTE]Your Edit is too funny for me to not reply to. You are 100% right, yet you wouldn't make that comment if we had profile pics LOL. Not all of us here are old farts. I'm not a male model but still young and look good and in shape. So yeah I can pull normal women from the states and also been doing that here and everywhere I travel. Good look or not why tf would any man in their 30's or 40's only fuck hookers forever? Geesh. No love ever? Further, before you write this type of dumb shit don't assume we all travel for pussy. Some of us are tired of paying 5 K rent apt in big cities and can barely save. So maybe it's ambition. Keyword matter notice I didn't say "affordability" LOL. . huge difference. Same with pussy, some travel to get that as a luxury, fun or debauchery, not a necessity.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2882924]You will find in the US, for free, the same women that you will find in Colombia, for free.[/QUOTE]If you are looking for an average looking woman in the USA, without student debt, without mental illness, without a kid, and who is not obese, you are down to 1% of all American women, and this is not even including if they have jobs. And even if you meet a top 1% woman, demand for her is going to be so through the roof, she will probably turn you down if you do ask her out. What is top 1% in the USA is a dime a dozen in Colombia.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2882924]The plane trip to Colombia did not transform you into a male model or rock star. The pesos do that. Lots of pesos.[/QUOTE]Average income in USA is $5000 a month or so. In Colombia, it is $500. If you are making $100,000 per year in the USA, you are doing okay. In Colombia, you are the equivalent of a millionaire.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2882924]Also: If you are looking for a normal, not transactional, romantic relationship, whether something serious and long term or a short term hookup, then just stay home. [/QUOTE]That is good advice if you are hanging around the hooker / stripper type. They will rob you blind. When you move up the socioeconomic chain, the women I have met have been trustworthy, great in bed, super smart, and immensely talented. Guys were so used to paying that I would have to tell them not to and tell them "Do not pay them and see if they really like you", and they were amazed when so often the women did not ask for money. Time and again, guys are amazed at how many women liked them for them.

Sure, there is a money component, and Colombian women are told to pursue men with money, but money drives American women too.

My current gal's favorite relative is her uncle, and I like him too. She says he is not macho, and I know what she means. He provides for his family, does not cheat on his wife, works hard, is smart, and is not cooking up ways to try to rip people like me off. I mention that because he is the only Colombian man I know like that. It amazed me how every woman I went out with had a half sister or brother because their father was off fucking some strange. They do not even try to hide it.

So the competition from the typical Colombian man is not much.

When I showed my friends a pic of my gal, they all said the same thing, "There is no way you could get a woman who likes that in the USA. " So I wanted to show a photo here of a woman who liked her, and I did. My gal's doppelganger was on the arm of a billionaire.

And I have met her friends. One gorgeous one came on hard to a 64 year old friend of mine who was married.

But you do not want to get messed up with a hooker / stripper / cam girl / stripper type in Colombia. It is just not as easy to meet the higher class women. They are busy. But they are way different than the entitled American woman. Way different.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2882889]Take a look at the thumbnail of this vid and I'm sure she could've gotten many of us. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rxs1B0cZH4[/URL].

Dude clearly broke some of rules or dumb shit not to do.

- She couldn't wait for his Uber and rushed him in her taxi. DUMB SHIT.

- She talked him into visiting her apt LMAO. Who the fuck does that? Why tf would any gringo go to a chica's apt unless you know her really well? - DUMB SHIT.

One of my centro gal told me few days ago that 3 gringos got killed via scopalomine like 2-3 weeks ago from centro rats and didn't even make the news. She said some girls don't even put it in your drinks, they would put the powder on their breast, neck, stomach area, and come close to you to hug you and baam you're scoped. Or while you're sitting especially. So watch out for that shit. In about 3 weeks once my lease is up I'm heading to Bog for the rest of my 6 mo. Then won't be back in this BS. I can get hawkers anywhere heck prob North Korea will be safer at this point.

Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]That's the biggest problem. I'm real smart about watching my drinks. Never leave it unattended, but since they are putting it on their body now, there is no escaping it. It's scary stuff. I say F Colombia now.

I once had a girl show up at my apartment with an uninvited friend. I had told the doorman to let her in when she arrived. When I opened my door and noticed she was with another girl I told her no and shut the door. She got on the elevator and left the building. That might have been my brush with danger. I'll never know.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2882830]The purpose is to stay informed and as a reminder. Make your own conclusions, anyone further interested can just ask the guy where did he get robbed and beaten.[/QUOTE]

You are going to risk the danger of Medellin for 3 weeks because of a lease? Is the lease really worth the risk or is the risk really not as important as the lease? If the reposted news reports die down will you come back? That's enough questions. Now I will make a statement you can verify on your own if you are interested. The volume of crime in Bogota, including drugging robberies, is vastly greater than it is in Medellin. Be safe.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2882889]Take a look at the thumbnail of this vid and I'm sure she could've gotten many of us. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rxs1B0cZH4[/URL].

Dude clearly broke some of rules or dumb shit not to do.

- She couldn't wait for his Uber and rushed him in her taxi. DUMB SHIT.

- She talked him into visiting her apt LMAO. Who the fuck does that? Why tf would any gringo go to a chica's apt unless you know her really well? - DUMB SHIT.

One of my centro gal told me few days ago that 3 gringos got killed via scopalomine like 2-3 weeks ago from centro rats and didn't even make the news. She said some girls don't even put it in your drinks, they would put the powder on their breast, neck, stomach area, and come close to you to hug you and baam you're scoped. Or while you're sitting especially. So watch out for that shit. In about 3 weeks once my lease is up I'm heading to Bog for the rest of my 6 mo. Then won't be back in this BS. I can get hawkers anywhere heck prob North Korea will be safer at this point.

Be safe out there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Putero1;2882806]There is a Casa in Centro near Centro Comercial La Cascada, right near there, that is pretty much all big like that. Just crazy asses etc. It's on the second floor right in one of those small commercial centers near there.[/QUOTE]Well this is new. A casa right next to all of the street walkers and Centro bars? Are you sure you are not thinking about one of the many short time hotels in the area? First time I hear anyone ever mentioning a casa being in there.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2882924]Also: If you are looking for a normal, not transactional, romantic relationship, whether something serious and long term or a short term hookup, then just stay home. You will find in the US, for free, the same women that you will find in Colombia, for free. The plane trip to Colombia did not transform you into a male model or rock star. The pesos do that. Lots of pesos.[/QUOTE]Now that I frequent Mexico and to some extent South America, I have not slept with any woman from the USA in the last 10 years. When I think of US American women, to me it feels like sleeping with a dude, unnatural, weird and offensive. Why would any str8 man want to sleep with women from a culture that produces insolent disrespectful psychos.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2882889]...... She said some girls don't even put it in your drinks, they would put the powder on their breast, neck, stomach area, and come close to you to hug you and baam you're scoped......[/QUOTE]Is this true? Can that happen? This is awful. I love me some knockers.

Hotel Dix is nice but nothing really upscale like the Dann Carlton and it's a bit pricey for what it is because of the location. I stayed there a while back one night and basically you're paying for location on CL 10 right near Lleras and girl friendly. This is perfect if you just have a short stay, but I wouldn't book there for longer than 4-5 nights. This area some nights late get full of pickpocket teams that target drunk foreigners. The hot tubs take 30 minutes to fill up. Have fun.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2882780]Anyone have any opinions / experiences with the hot tub rooms at Hotel Dix. I found some old reviews (Tripadvisor from several years ago) that say the hot tub in the room isn't that great but with those being so old I'm not sure how much it's changed. I do enjoy a hot tub and it's nice to relax in (especially with a nice Colombian lady LOL) after a long day. As always, thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

I believe that is an urban legend. That they can blow it in your face or just touch you with it on your skin. No. This drug whatever it is (probably scopelamine mixed with benzos), you have to ingest it and a decent amount too. For it to work. Listen to that video of the Indian guy, they forced the two of them to drink it at gun point, one of them only drank half and he was just chill while the other guy drank an entire glass full was also fine and even stayed conscious and both were alright in the end. There is simply no way this is happening because you motor-boated some titties.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2883043]That's the biggest problem. I'm real smart about watching my drinks. Never leave it unattended, but since they are putting it on their body now, there is no escaping it. It's scary stuff. I say F Colombia now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2882924]But go to the "erotic massage salons" aka brothels. Anything else is Russian roulette. Unless you enjoy that kind of danger, excitement, living on the edge situation, don't do it. [/QUOTE]This is just silly. The casas are the *worst of Medellin, the most antiseptic, lowest level chicas. Why not learn some Spanish, learn to dance, meet some ladies and pay them to leave? There is literally no danger if you follow two rules. 1. Watch your drink. 2. (most important rule) Have your portero or hotel lobby hold, physically, their cedula (national ID) while you fuck and the portero is instructed to only give it back to her *if you are there in person to give the green light all is OK.

[QUOTE]You will find in the US, for free, the same women that you will find in Colombia, for free. The plane trip to Colombia did not transform you into a male model or rock star. The pesos do that. Lots of pesos.[/QUOTE]If you are really looking for love and not just to get laid (which places you not on this forum), Colombian women are some of the most feminine traditional loving women in the world. #2 next to Brazil.

I've heard this for years. So far I have it filed along with the one about people distributing handbills on the street laced with a substance that will knock you out so they can rob you.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2883063]Is this true? Can that happen? This is awful. I love me some knockers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2883063]Is this true? Can that happen? This is awful. I love me some knockers.[/QUOTE]True. And also not new. It's been reported in the past. I have no first hand knowledge to confirm or deny. When I've seen it reported in the past, it was allegedly with girls IN a club. That seems a bit odd, given that they aren't alone with the guy and the random nature of it. I'd also wonder if scopolamine left on the skin for any length of time has some effect on the girl.

Nonetheless, yes it's been alleged for years now. I also read that some girls distributed it through DFK. But that seems entirely implausible and unlikely, even if they were working with partners.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2883063]Is this true? Can that happen? This is awful. I love me some knockers.[/QUOTE]I don't think there are any reported incidents of scopolamine being absorbed through the skin, or through the air. Think about that logically; if it could be done, why wouldn't it affect the woman. I do believe some women put it on their nipples. I think I was a victim of that one time. I got very light-headed and unbalanced, but still able to function mentally. If they ever resort to synthetic opioids, that will be a different story. Just touching it or breathing it can have serious effects, including death.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2882889]...One of my centro gal told me few days ago that 3 gringos got killed via scopalomine like 2-3 weeks ago from centro rats and didn't even make the news. She said some girls don't even put it in your drinks, they would put the powder on their breast, neck, stomach area, and come close to you to hug you and baam you're scoped. ..So watch out for that shit. ... I can get hawkers anywhere heck prob North Korea will be safer at this point.[/QUOTE]

Most all of us have always kept a watchful eye on our drinks. But I'm quite skeptical of these second-hand reports of scopolamine tainted boobs and nips that have been popping up on this thread of late. To a skeptic like me, sounds like paranoid, social media, scaremongering (literally and figuratively) of the most unhinged sort.

That said, it would be welcome if someone with real medical, pharmacological, or forensic credentials could chime in on the subject. Or if anyone has a link to some authoritative literature with credible evidence that guys have really been scoped in this manner.

Absent that, on with the show! (Well, in the meantime maybe I will try to be alert to any sugar-frosted titties that may come my way.)

100% correct. This is an urban myth, you have to ingest it or put it in your nose or a permeable membrane. Like other drugs. And it isn't that powerful that a spec of it would do it, this is an extract from a tree leaf mixed with benzos. I can't think of any drug really that can go through the skin by casual contact. That's not to say don't be careful with your drink otherwise. This is what happens is that guys get drunk and setup usually by another person offering chicas. If you aren't wary enough to be suspicious of who you are going with, then 100% of these cases are tossed into the drink while not looking.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2883094]Most all of us have always kept a watchful eye on our drinks. But I'm quite skeptical of these second-hand reports of scopolamine tainted boobs and nips that have been popping up on this thread of late. To a skeptic like me, sounds like paranoid, social media, scaremongering (literally and figuratively) of the most unhinged sort.[/QUOTE]

Just to play devil's advocate, if the benzodiazepine or whatever other substance were so powerful that it could be topically effective, how would someone be able to administer it from their tits without feeling its effect?

[QUOTE=Putero1;2883109]100% correct. This is an urban myth, you have to ingest it or put it in your nose or a permeable membrane. Like other drugs. And it isn't that powerful that a spec of it would do it, this is an extract from a tree leaf mixed with benzos. I can't think of any drug really that can go through the skin by casual contact. That's not to say don't be careful with your drink otherwise. This is what happens is that guys get drunk and setup usually by another person offering chicas. If you aren't wary enough to be suspicious of who you are going with, then 100% of these cases are tossed into the drink while not looking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2883063]Is this true? Can that happen? This is awful. I love me some knockers.[/QUOTE]The girl who told me that lives in Belen near me, from VZ and likely the most trusted and honest wg I know in mde. She's a sweetie to the point we meet for lunch occasionally. I've heard of that before and some talk about it on YT. Almost like that zombie powder they blow in your face in Haiti to control you (check those stories if you haven't). When I first read about those practices in Colombia I even thought the devil's breath / scopalomina was the same as the one used in the old Carib folk tale. As the two countries did have migrations and connected roots. That shit is real obviously mofos are dropping from it.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2883053]You are going to risk the danger of Medellin for 3 weeks because of a lease? Is the lease really worth the risk or is the risk really not as important as the lease? If the reposted news reports die down will you come back? That's enough questions. Now I will make a statement you can verify on your own if you are interested. The volume of crime in Bogota, including drugging robberies, is vastly greater than it is in Medellin. Be safe.[/QUOTE]Common sense bro. Of course our lives is worth more than a few hundreds. I'm not in danger LOL. Mde itself is. Can't allow fear to run me off like that, and just like in everything it's risk management. I met a fella the other at a casa and he lives in bello w a local wife. Doesn't date on app or mess w the scene that targets us and he's fine. We can see many on YT living and enjoying the city, incl women expats. So while the dangers exists, which is in every country mde just require a new level of awareness since it's changing. And no I wouldn't even come if I knew things would worsen. Medellin is on a transition of increase danger, maybe going back to its old ways unless things change. And we don't want to be the Guinea pig for the experiment till others stop coming LOL. So I will get the fuck out, just on my own terms. The slight hood and ganster idgaf side of me hate the idea of being forced to do anything. If I'm in the street and everyone starts running I'm usually calm and walk. Call me a rebel LOL. I'm just glad that many tourists are now canceling their plans to come here and hopefully soon a huge reduction of tourism can starve these mfrs.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2882611]The barriers were what I considered "mongering interference. " They didn't make the area any safer, just pushed all the criminal element outside of the perimeter of the barricades, along with the majority of the working girls (the ones that aren't fucking 40 years old atleast) as well. Which meant that instead of having a big open plaza to look for chicas, you were crammed up in between the church and hotel Botero Real in that pedestrian walkway along with the chicas and the ladrones all crammed in there with hardly any space to walk. Making it easier for the ladrones to do a snatch and run.[/QUOTE]They removed the barriers cause Cartagena needed to borrow them! LMAO. Cartagena's new mayor is "getting rid of prostitution" in the center by placing barriers. LOL. We'll see how long that last.

[QUOTE=Zenduka1;2883060]Now that I frequent Mexico and to some extent South America, I have not slept with any woman from the USA in the last 10 years. When I think of US American women, to me it feels like sleeping with a dude, unnatural, weird and offensive. Why would any str8 man want to sleep with women from a culture that produces insolent disrespectful psychos.[/QUOTE]I need to do some research to find out if too much pussy affects the brain LOL. Because I didn't have a great answer for that silly comment but you did. Thanks bro.

As if if we need normal women USA could offer that lmao. Traveling isn't only for P4P. In fact the opposite. Most people who started to uncover that we were in the Matrix were simply seeking a better life, or stumbled upon it once overseas on vaca and realizing women are better nearly everywhere else. There are tons and tons of dudes young and old living overseas, for better lifestyles in general incl better food, cheaper rent, better women, the hookers are just bonuses. If you want normal it's even a better reason to travel. Why go back? LOL. That comment made zero sense.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2882969]If you are looking for an average looking woman in the USA, without student debt, without mental illness, without a kid, and who is not obese, you are down to 1% of all American women, and this is not even including if they have jobs. And even if you meet a top 1% woman, demand for her is going to be so through the roof, she will probably turn you down if you do ask her out. What is top 1% in the USA is a dime a dozen in Colombia.

Average income in USA is $5000 a month or so. In Colombia, it is $500. If you are making $100,000 per year in the USA, you are doing okay. In Colombia, you are the equivalent of a millionaire.

That is good advice if you are hanging around the hooker / stripper type. They will rob you blind. When you move up the socioeconomic chain, the women I have met have been trustworthy, great in bed, super smart, and immensely talented. Guys were so used to paying that I would have to tell them not to and tell them "Do not pay them and see if they really like you", and they were amazed when so often the women did not ask for money. Time and again, guys are amazed at how many women liked them for them..[/QUOTE]I'm traveling to Medellin for the first time and the type of woman I'm looking for seems to match what you're describing. Educated and smart, talented. How do I go about meeting them? I'm a mid-30's male and I'll be staying in El Poblado.

[QUOTE=Putero1;2883076]This is just silly. The casas are the *worst of Medellin, the most antiseptic, lowest level chicas. Why not learn some Spanish, learn to dance, meet some ladies and pay them to leave? There is literally no danger if you follow two rules. 1. Watch your drink. 2. (most important rule) Have your portero or hotel lobby hold, physically, their cedula (national ID) while you fuck and the portero is instructed to only give it back to her *if you are there in person to give the green light all is OK.

If you are really looking for love and not just to get laid (which places you not on this forum), Colombian women are some of the most feminine traditional loving women in the world. #2 next to Brazil.[/QUOTE]While you're going out to dance with the chicas, you could suddenly end up looking down the barrel of a gun and some psycho is demanding your phone and wallet. If you are taking an Uber from one casa to the next, not so much. And a lot of casa girls, at least if they are in the 200 K range, are really hot and you can see them with almost no clothes on before you pay. If you need that club experience, that's great however you are taking significant a risk.

Also I stayed in an airbnb without a 24/7 doorman. I am going to guess that a place with that type of security is quite a bit more expensive. Also, I don't really feel like constantly remembering not to drink anything unless I am 100% sure that it wasn't tampered with. Personally, I think it would a little bit kill the mood.

And about marrying a girl in a foreign country, I think it can be a good if you have some sort of good job in that foreign country and you are going to stay there with her. However if you are bringing her back to the US, and she is "out of your league" the type of girl who would not date you if she was American, then I think that your odds are not better than if you just stayed in the US and dated American women. She will get her green card, learn English, get a job and dump you.

Common sense is crucial. It's all a question of perspective. I don't discount the validity of your casa waiting room acquaintance from Bello. From my perspective, Colombia quite a long way to go until it could be like the old days I remember when I first came here for business in the 90's. We were not allowed out of our hotel or office without armed security. As recently as 10 years ago you could not enter the Oviedo Mall parking lot unless you submitted your car to inspection of its undercarriage by a security guard holding a mirror attached to an extension pole. I had not thought about that in many years until a few weeks ago when I saw a guard at the entrance to the Alpujarra underground parking doing it. It used to be standard procedure here. I wonder what my gut tells me is true and most of these unfortunate victims don't have much experience in the country, or less than they think they do.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2883126]Common sense bro. Of course our lives is worth more than a few hundreds. I'm not in danger LOL. Mde itself is. Can't allow fear to run me off like that, and just like in everything it's risk management. I met a fella the other at a casa and he lives in bello w a local wife. Doesn't date on app or mess w the scene that targets us and he's fine. We can see many on YT living and enjoying the city, incl women expats. So while the dangers exists, which is in every country mde just require a new level of awareness since it's changing. And no I wouldn't even come if I knew things would worsen. Medellin is on a transition of increase danger, maybe going back to its old ways unless things change. And we don't want to be the Guinea pig for the experiment till others stop coming LOL. So I will get the fuck out, just on my own terms. The slight hood and ganster idgaf side of me hate the idea of being forced to do anything. If I'm in the street and everyone starts running I'm usually calm and walk. Call me a rebel LOL. I'm just glad that many tourists are now canceling their plans to come here and hopefully soon a huge reduction of tourism can starve these mfrs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2883166]While you're going out to dance with the chicas, you could suddenly end up looking down the barrel of a gun and some psycho is demanding your phone and wallet.[/QUOTE]I've lived in Medellin for over 7 years. This literally never happens. Nobody gets robbed at gunpoint inside a club while dancing with a girl. What little danger there is, are the chicas, not armed robbery. There are guys on this forum that monger el centro in Medellin at night on the street. And they'll keep doing it and likely never have an issue (even though I would never do that ever) because they know what they are doing.

[QUOTE=HumpyDumpty11;2883131]They removed the barriers cause Cartagena needed to borrow them! LMAO. Cartagena's new mayor is "getting rid of prostitution" in the center by placing barriers. LOL. We'll see how long that last.[/QUOTE]Cartagena can fucking keep the barriers lmao. I wonder if they sent them via servientrega LOL.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2883166]And about marrying a girl in a foreign country, I think it can be a good[/QUOTE]Getting married to any girl, anywhere is a bad idea.

[QUOTE=Putero1;2883181] Nobody gets robbed at gunpoint inside a club while dancing with a girl.[/QUOTE]I meant while you're wandering around somewhere in El Poblado at night from one club to the next. Supposedly that is prime armed robbery territory.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2883121]The girl who told me that lives in Belen near me, from VZ and likely the most trusted and honest wg I know in mde. She's a sweetie to the point we meet for lunch occasionally. I've heard of that before and some talk about it on YT. Almost like that zombie powder they blow in your face in Haiti to control you (check those stories if you haven't). When I first read about those practices in Colombia I even thought the devil's breath / scopalomina was the same as the one used in the old Carib folk tale. As the two countries did have migrations and connected roots. That shit is real obviously mofos are dropping from it.[/QUOTE]That shit ain't real. My girl is Latina and practices Santeria (Condomble, Vodun, Voodoo or whatever you want to call it) and is at my house right now. I just asked her about blowing powder into someone's face to control them and she looked at me like I was crazy. All the shit is is a drug like GHB (date raape). There is no mystery behind it and no creative ways to get it into a person's system. Once again there is nobody that has not been taken advantage of this way and their story starts off with I was not drinking or anything. Stop fucking drinking around folks and you will not get got.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2829394]Is blowing powder into someone's face really a thing or is it just an old wives tale? I have never seen somebody report it happening to them like that. I am sure if someone blew powder in your face you would have time to say what the fuck are you doing and get away. You would not just be instantly under their control. I have only seen this in the movie The Serpent and the Rainbow.

"In a time of social and political unrest in Haiti, anthropologist Dennis Alan (Bill Pullman) travels to the torn country to study a Voodoo drug used in religious practices to turn victims into living zombies. With the help of a witch doctor (Brent Jennings) and a fellow researcher (Cathy Tyson), Dennis pieces together the deadly mystery. But as Dennis uncovers the secrets behind the mysterious powder, he must evade the Haitian authorities who view his research as a potential threat. ".[/QUOTE]

It happens in restaurants from time to time. This is why I avoid having my back to the street or sitting at table on or near the street. If something pops off I want to have a chance to stash valuables before the crooks get to me.

[QUOTE=Putero1;2883181]I've lived in Medellin for over 7 years. This literally never happens. Nobody gets robbed at gunpoint inside a club while dancing with a girl. What little danger there is, are the chicas, not armed robbery. There are guys on this forum that monger el centro in Medellin at night on the street. And they'll keep doing it and likely never have an issue (even though I would never do that ever) because they know what they are doing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Putero1;2883225]Getting married to any girl, anywhere is a bad idea.[/QUOTE]I can't really argue with that. I am divorced twice, one American one Russian.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2883043]That's the biggest problem. I'm real smart about watching my drinks. Never leave it unattended, but since they are putting it on their body now, there is no escaping it. It's scary stuff. I say F Colombia now.[/QUOTE]That may or may not happen, but putting it in a drink is the easiest and most efficient way to get it in your system. So that's what we should be careful about.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2883053]You are going to risk the danger of Medellin for 3 weeks because of a lease? Is the lease really worth the risk or is the risk really not as important as the lease? If the reposted news reports die down will you come back? That's enough questions. Now I will make a statement you can verify on your own if you are interested. The volume of crime in Bogota, including drugging robberies, is vastly greater than it is in Medellin. Be safe.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Bogota is even more dangerous than Medellin. And the weather's not as nice.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2883177]Common sense is crucial. It's all a question of perspective. I wonder what my gut tells me is true and most of these unfortunate victims don't have much experience in the country, or less than they think they do.[/QUOTE]Other than homicides no one really knows what the odds are or how much it's changing for the worse because so few robberies are reported.

In retrospect, I did some foolish things in Colombia, as I have in every other place I have been including the US and nothing serious has ever happened to me.

People who have had a bad experience in Medellin will swear it's hell on earth and people who have not had a bad experience (yet) will say it's all exaggerated.

Personally, after my vast two week experience there plus all the youtube videos, news reports, this forum, etc etc I think that if you are white and you are on the street or in a bar in Medellin you are very possibly in someone's crosshairs. It's not a remote chance, it's a fairly good chance. I would avoid the street and the bars as much as possible. I believe that the street after sunrise but before 10:00 am is probably good because criminals are up late and they also have to sleep.

[QUOTE=Magma5108;2883150]I'm traveling to Medellin for the first time and the type of woman I'm looking for seems to match what you're describing. Educated and smart, talented. How do I go about meeting them? I'm a mid-30's male and I'll be staying in El Poblado.[/QUOTE]You probably need to get a job. Then meet her through work or meet her brother or best friend through work and have them set you up. From what I understand, Colombians are very cautious about strangers, there is no hookup culture, so you need to have some sort of solid social connection in advance. You might be teaching English classes in a school for adults and get acquainted with an adult female student.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2883258]You probably need to get a job. Then meet her through work or meet her brother or best friend through work and have them set you up. From what I understand, Colombians are very cautious about strangers, there is no hookup culture, so you need to have some sort of solid social connection in advance. You might be teaching English classes in a school for adults and get acquainted with an adult female student.[/QUOTE]Colombians are very cautious about strangers for good reason. For a good part of their history, that stranger might be trying to kill or kidnap you. Therefore they generally go out with friends and they keep an eye on each other.

Thanks for the info. I am only in Medellin for 2 1/2 days so for me it's about maximizing my playtime LOL.

[QUOTE=Putero1;2883069]Hotel Dix is nice but nothing really upscale like the Dann Carlton and it's a bit pricey for what it is because of the location. I stayed there a while back one night and basically you're paying for location on CL 10 right near Lleras and girl friendly. This is perfect if you just have a short stay, but I wouldn't book there for longer than 4-5 nights. This area some nights late get full of pickpocket teams that target drunk foreigners. The hot tubs take 30 minutes to fill up. Have fun.[/QUOTE]

What do you think of these new ordinances from the city of Medallin new mayor put it down guess he does not want public mongering.

[URL]https://youtu.be/UVjozKqkmSw?si=qsJ9d1vHF5LtHEs0[/URL]

As a foreigner you have the advantage that a good girl will see you as kinder, sweeter and less dangerous than the average Colombian guy. This is mostly bad tbh because most of them will see you as a mark $ - all females do this everywhere, it's in their nature. Never let them know if you are loaded. Part of the dating culture in Latam is the man pays, so it will be very hard to know if she really loves you, or if she is just taking advantage. Unless you spend a lot of time with her and are a good judge of character.

I agree with the other posts that the culture is wary of strangers and that they go out in groups and take care of each other. But women are amazing and looking to be admired, especially by a foreigner. They respond to flirting, if done well, amazingly.

[QUOTE=Magma5108;2883150]I'm traveling to Medellin for the first time and the type of woman I'm looking for seems to match what you're describing. Educated and smart, talented. How do I go about meeting them? I'm a mid-30's male and I'll be staying in El Poblado.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DoomBringer321;2883342]What do you think of these new ordinances from the city of Medallin new mayor put it down guess he does not want public mongering.

[URL]https://youtu.be/UVjozKqkmSw?si=qsJ9d1vHF5LtHEs0[/URL][/QUOTE]That's 1. Cartagena only, not Medellin 2. Only applies to the historic area, and 3. Temporary: only until March 24'.

[QUOTE=DoomBringer321;2883342]What do you think of these new ordinances from the city of Medallin new mayor put it down guess he does not want public mongering.

[URL]https://youtu.be/UVjozKqkmSw?si=qsJ9d1vHF5LtHEs0[/URL][/QUOTE]No no not in Medellin bro it's Cartagena. In Medellin we got a good new mayor who was previously the mayor in 2016 - 2019 and street mongering is alive and well, in fact the new mayor here is actually promoting mongering by having removed the stupid barriers and returning the area to how it used to be before 2023.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2883242]It happens in restaurants from time to time. This is why I avoid having my back to the street or sitting at table on or near the street. If something pops off I want to have a chance to stash valuables before the crooks get to me.[/QUOTE]Like a place that is right off of the street and some morons walk in off their bike to rob cell phones. Yeah, unlikely but possible. But if you are out with a girl in almost any club or nice restaurant, you are safer in the club than when you hop in a taxi to go home. Nicer decent clubs in Poblado or la 70 have security at the door. I was responding to Tex, who thinks taking a girl out dancing in Medellin is a high risk activity because you may end up looking down the barrel of a gun. Cheers.

This is what I was referring to in my response to the "I don't want the barriers removed" posts. The new mayor is known for a firm anti-crime and law enforcement stance.

[QUOTE=DoomBringer321;2883342]What do you think of these new ordinances from the city of Medallin new mayor put it down guess he does not want public mongering.

[URL]https://youtu.be/UVjozKqkmSw?si=qsJ9d1vHF5LtHEs0[/URL][/QUOTE]

New life half hour cost is now 70.

Inflation is real. I'm pretty sure Amigas Sexxy is still 65/ half hour. It's starting to get popular with gringos lately. The nearby Aiffe is only 60/ half hour but really struggling for staff quality.

[QUOTE=YahnCruz;2883423]New life half hour cost is now 70.[/QUOTE]

I watched the video and realized it is about Cartagena after I responded. I usually avoid youtube videos of this sort. It's a good example of how random guys can say whatever they want on there and viewers pick up on it in a game of telephone and turn it into the media frenzy we are seeing now about the dangers of Medellin. If it keeps nervous punters away I guess it's not a bad thing.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2883417]No no not in Medellin bro it's Cartagena. In Medellin we got a good new mayor who was previously the mayor in 2016 - 2019 and street mongering is alive and well, in fact the new mayor here is actually promoting mongering by having removed the stupid barriers and returning the area to how it used to be before 2023.[/QUOTE]

Hello, will be going to MDE next week, or Back to SOSUA LOL. I'm a bit uncomfortable I'm so used to Sosua. I Would like to know exactly where all the action is, I've seen videos on YouTube of "Parque Lleras" with alot of chicas at night, and Also El Centro that was marked as "dangerous" but nice woman roaming around, and I'm going to assume brothels. Not quit sure the walking distance between the areas. What area should I stay in or landmark should stay close to (Airbnb) where I could walk to all the action. Thanks in advance! I've attached links to the videos I'm talking about in the description.

Will decide and book my flight tonight based on you guys feedback! Thanks a million times.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo5V1k4R0nU&t=975s[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv9yL3mxfS4[/URL]

[QUOTE=YahnCruz;2883423]New life half hour cost is now 70.[/QUOTE]That's 2nd increase in a year for that same boring sloppy lineup.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2883422]This is what I was referring to in my response to the "I don't want the barriers removed" posts. The new mayor is known for a firm anti-crime and law enforcement stance.[/QUOTE]There were a number of reasons for the barriers, and it was not to get rid of mongering, but to keep it and the vendors, etc etc out of the immediate area of the museum. The area behind the museum and the behind the little white church is zoned as a red light area (zona de tolerencia) but I don't think that extends out into the plaza Botero. Anyway, it seems like it is an unpopular effort and especially the part where it is seen as keeping the less privileged people away from the public displays of Botero art, the sculptures, etc.

The barriers changing the traffic flow into Parque Lleras were set up specifically over concerns about underage prostitution, and there initially was some presence of agencies that try to combat that, for example they had staff at the area around the entrance to try to talk to and protect children that were hanging out around there. Again, whether this has helped to deal with that who knows. And it may have also been to try to slow down the prostitution in general in that area, as the city was seeing it as a negative for general tourism and for the image of the city. They certainly do not like being seen as a sex tourism destination.

Bienestar familiar (the agency you mentioned) has had an office in the alleyway leading from Parque Berrio to church for many years. Also, the police's women and children special brigade regularly set up intervention tents and work out of their vans in the middle of the plaza. How effective they have been I will leave up to the experts. When the barriers were initially put up I posted here that the one advantage was the reduction in vendors with loudspeakers and the most annoying of the panhandler / thieves. I also complained that those benefits did not begin to outweigh the disadvantage for my main reason for being in the plaza. Your point about limited access for the less privileged is very well taken. Not long before his death, Botero himself cited this as the reason he disagreed with the barrier. All that aside, I stand by my assessment that the real reason for the barriers in Centro and Poblado was political. The Mayor, who had been recalled and who later resigned in disgrace, did it as a political stunt to revive his moribund election campaign. Good riddance to the barrier and to the clownish Daniel Quintero. I am Knowledge and I approve of this message.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2883468]There were a number of reasons for the barriers, and it was not to get rid of mongering, but to keep it and the vendors, etc etc out of the immediate area of the museum. The area behind the museum and the behind the little white church is zoned as a red light area (zona de tolerencia) but I don't think that extends out into the plaza Botero. Anyway, it seems like it is an unpopular effort and especially the part where it is seen as keeping the less privileged people away from the public displays of Botero art, the sculptures, etc.

The barriers changing the traffic flow into Parque Lleras were set up specifically over concerns about underage prostitution, and there initially was some presence of agencies that try to combat that, for example they had staff at the area around the entrance to try to talk to and protect children that were hanging out around there. Again, whether this has helped to deal with that who knows. And it may have also been to try to slow down the prostitution in general in that area, as the city was seeing it as a negative for general tourism and for the image of the city. They certainly do not like being seen as a sex tourism destination.[/QUOTE]

I haven't been in there often or recently enough to judge the lineup. Based on what I know of the place I have no reason to doubt your assessment. With no hesitation I will say the atmosphere in the waiting area has always been a bad combination of an inner city medical clinic waiting room, an American frat party, and an abandoned property auction. I'm mystified by its popularity.

[QUOTE=ElPostino;2883461]That's 2nd increase in a year for that same boring sloppy lineup.[/QUOTE]

Unlikely? For every grainy hotel and apartment security camera video of unattractive street girls carrying sacks of some unfortunate punters belongs, there are many more videos of armed robberies in restaurants and bars. The closest I've personally come to witnessing one was when I read about the robbery and realized I was having a meal just across the street when it happened. I figure if I can be that close at the same time and not even notice it then I needed to up my precaution game. If you look at some of the videos what stands out is how nonchalant the victims are, almost as if they expect it. The Colombian saying is "hoy me tocó. ".

[QUOTE=Putero1;2883421]Like a place that is right off of the street and some morons walk in off their bike to rob cell phones. Yeah, unlikely but possible. But if you are out with a girl in almost any club or nice restaurant, you are safer in the club than when you hop in a taxi to go home. Nicer decent clubs in Poblado or la 70 have security at the door. I was responding to Tex, who thinks taking a girl out dancing in Medellin is a high risk activity because you may end up looking down the barrel of a gun. Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElPostino;2883461]That's 2nd increase in a year for that same boring sloppy lineup.[/QUOTE]New Life is for the moron weekend warrior newbys who don't speak spanish and have no clue what they are doing.

The girls there are trash, beat up, run-thru hags. 5 years ago we would make a stop there once in awhile and occasionally find a fresh girl.

Those days are long gone.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2883126]Common sense bro. Of course our lives is worth more than a few hundreds. I'm not in danger LOL. Mde itself is. Can't allow fear to run me off like that, and just like in everything it's risk management. I met a fella the other at a casa and he lives in bello w a local wife. Doesn't date on app or mess w the scene that targets us and he's fine. We can see many on YT living and enjoying the city, incl women expats. So while the dangers exists, which is in every country mde just require a new level of awareness since it's changing. And no I wouldn't even come if I knew things would worsen. Medellin is on a transition of increase danger, maybe going back to its old ways unless things change. And we don't want to be the Guinea pig for the experiment till others stop coming LOL. So I will get the fuck out, just on my own terms. The slight hood and ganster idgaf side of me hate the idea of being forced to do anything. If I'm in the street and everyone starts running I'm usually calm and walk. Call me a rebel LOL. I'm just glad that many tourists are now canceling their plans to come here and hopefully soon a huge reduction of tourism can starve these mfrs.[/QUOTE]Completely agree, though it's clear that "common sense" differs significantly from person to person. That's why tools like Chica Check can help guys who are new to MDE, before they get targeted by scammers / robbers; at least it was helpful for me. Even got a free month of VIP access after a chat with the admin.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2882837]Good luck! Looking forward to hearing how it went and how it compares to pre and during the barricades.[/QUOTE]I just went to monger in plaza botero this morning. After hopping off the bus in the prado centro area where they sell stuff on the ground under the metro, I walked across the street and directly into the Plaza and straight down to the church without any checkpoint to walk through.

Theres girls around the water fountains again and sitting on the brick work of the church. The area feels more open and free again like how it always used to be pre-2023.

As far as you sissy boys who say it was better with the barriers you can still go hide behind the barriers in parque lleras. Maybe that will be your new safe place since plaza botero is no longer safe for you guys unless if you've got some real cajones LOL.

As far as my session went I found a 24 year old vennie. BBFS CIP for 80 mil and I paid for the pieza at hotel botero real still 9 mil. She was kind of mechanical and didn't like to kiss or make eye contact but she smelled and tasted clean and I got my nut off inside her so I was a happy camper.

Afterwards I talked to my homegirl Gaby out in front of the church for a bit and she agreed that is better now without the stupid barriers and things are getting back to how they used to be before.

I think maybe I'll start going down there more often again.

-Gabacho.

Incoming Moron Weekend Warrior.

I'm travelling to Medellin soon and will be staying in the El Poblado area (near the Santafe Mall). I don't speak any Spanish. I'm mostly interested in full service massage places (or brothels, if they exist). I'm pretty comfortable with the protocols in the US when it comes to getting extra services in massage parlors, but I'd appreciate any tips in Medellin. Is it legal there or do I have to be discreet. If I wanted an hour massage that includes Full Service, what would the total cost be (session cost + tip).

Thanks for any advice. I did scroll through the pages here before posting this. We have a similar forum where I am (Maryland) and I know to RTFF first.

[QUOTE=MaxLee88;2883490]New Life is for the moron weekend warrior newbys who don't speak spanish and have no clue what they are doing.

The girls there are trash, beat up, run-thru hags. 5 years ago we would make a stop there once in awhile and occasionally find a fresh girl.

Those days are long gone.[/QUOTE]5 years ago, webcam and onlyfans was not so common. Also don't forget the guys flying girls out, paying them cash to be on call if you will. So, I guess the pool of workers has shrunk who work at those casas.

Besides Energy, what are some good parlors in the Laureles area?

[QUOTE=MaxLee88;2883490]New Life is for the moron weekend warrior newbys who don't speak spanish and have no clue what they are doing.

The girls there are trash, beat up, run-thru hags. 5 years ago we would make a stop there once in awhile and occasionally find a fresh girl.

Those days are long gone.[/QUOTE]I still go in for that rush of seeing a new girl.

Theres currently one new girl, she's a few weeks pregnant and lactating. That was a nice surprise.

I need to find some other economical casa de cita now. That was my I don't even want to think, I just know I want to bust a nut for a good price. 70 is pushing it for me even for their lineup now.

Ya know. I have been to Medellin about a half dozen times and I hope to go back. My knee needs a replacement and the walking would be hard on me so I will stay in my southern base of operation which is Sosua. I am not trying to start one of those compare and contrast arguments. I don't use the traditional mongering venues here anymore because it has been about 50% ruined and 50% overinflated- I have found a better way. Anyhow, I can't help but notice that the posts here are starting to look like they did in the Sosua section about 6 or 7 years ago and I suspect for the same reason.

[QUOTE=Magma5108;2883150]I'm traveling to Medellin for the first time and the type of woman I'm looking for seems to match what you're describing. Educated and smart, talented. How do I go about meeting them? I'm a mid-30's male and I'll be staying in El Poblado.[/QUOTE]I used [URL]seeking.com[/URL], but I am not sure it is good anymore to find women like this.

If your goal is being a sugar daddy, I would print up business cards and hand them to hot women and tell them you are hiring.

If your goal is a serious relationship, I would do something now I have not done before which is to flat out ask the hot women if they were single and if they said yes, I would tell them I was from the USA and wanted to meet Colombian women and ask them out for coffee or a drink. Colombian women usually do not say no much or try to put men down so they might give you a fake number or their real number and not respond to you, but they do not seem to be the kind who would put you down.

And for long term, I would only go for white collar women or those studying to be white collar.

So knowing what I know now, I would be much more forward, nice but very forward.

I don't want to sound like a complete wet-behind-the-ear newb, but how does Parque Lleras work. I walk around there and it's dead as fuck. The only people approaching me are doormen trying to get me to pay for over price drinks. All the chicas are on their cellphones tiktoking it up or some shit. What am I missing about this place?

[QUOTE=Putero1;2883074]I believe that is an urban legend. That they can blow it in your face or just touch you with it on your skin. No. This drug whatever it is (probably scopelamine mixed with benzos), you have to ingest it and a decent amount too. For it to work.[/QUOTE]The thought that they would even go through the trouble to manufacturing scopelamine when there's so many other available sources of drugs out there just as or more effective, such as Ketamine, Benzodiazepine's, Xanax. Etc. Scopelamine is basically used for Nausea conditions and of course drugging's I guess if available. Is there that many out work pharmaceutical chemists available or desperate to go through the trouble of making scopelamine instead of 2C-B or Fentanyl, which Medellin has become huge player in the manufacturing of fentanyl, especially in Bello. There's been at least 6 overdose in Cartegena from fentanyl laced Ketamine, probably more by now. Just think Scopelamine is just more of insinuation of to describe insidious situation.

I just pulled the trigger and purchased a flight for Medellin. I Opted out of the Dominican Republic, now only issue is which area should I stay? Point me to a landmark or something! I want to be somewhere within walking distance to all the babes. Where can I find babes in the Morning. The afternoon. And at night time. Any additional tips would be highly appreciated. How's the safety there? I hear so many different things about scopelamine, robberies etc. Thanks a million times xxx.

[QUOTE=Putero1;2883421]I was responding to Tex, who thinks taking a girl out dancing in Medellin is a high risk activity because you may end up looking down the barrel of a gun. Cheers.[/QUOTE]What I'm talking it about is that when you are walking around El Poblado at midnight or 2:00 am going to or from a club, bar hopping and so on there is definitely a risk of an armed robbery.

Consider this armed robbery caught on video at the Click Clack Hotel 37 #10 A 29, El Poblado, a 5 star luxury hotel a few blocks from Parque lleras and Provenza. On the night of February 25, 2023 two men pulled up next to the hotel restaurant on a motorcycle, one entered with a gun and demanded valuables from the guests and then fled on the motorcycle driven by his accomplice.

[URL]https://youtu.be/RiDmn4dfRus?si=JOxqlX-NJMjcKRyB[/URL]

How likely is it that you'll have the business end of a gun pointed at you while having a night out in El Poblado? No one knows. Many crimes are not reported. But it does happen.

[QUOTE=AnarchyMD;2883549]I don't want to sound like a complete wet-behind-the-ear newb, but how does Parque Lleras work. I walk around there and it's dead as fuck. The only people approaching me are doormen trying to get me to pay for over price drinks. All the chicas are on their cellphones tiktoking it up or some shit. What am I missing about this place?[/QUOTE]If you see a pretty girl walk over and smile and say "Hola!" If she seems very happy to see you, then either you are extremely handsome or she's working. Take it from there. You are looking for companionship, etc.

What's everyone's experience been like when trying to record your your time with some of these ladies. Are they generally accepting or 100% against it etc. When you was in Ecuador the women I was with were always ok with it and seemed to enjoy putting on a show for the camera.

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2883534]Besides Energy, what are some good parlors in the Laureles area?[/QUOTE]Google "Salones de Masajes Eróticos Medellin". Click on "more places". Use the map and zoom in on the area you are interested in. The only way to know what's good is to go and see for yourself, however I would be a little hesitant if it's under 150 K per hour.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2883594]Google "Salones de Masajes Erticos Medellin". Click on "more places". Use the map and zoom in on the area you are interested in. The only way to know what's good is to go and see for yourself, however I would be a little hesitant if it's under 150 K per hour.[/QUOTE]I do thank you for this method, and I will look around the map. What I am hoping for is recent first hand accounts of Laureles parlors. I know its going to depend on my experience in the moment, there are no guarantees of a good time. But hopefully someone out there can share some info. If not, I'll wing it no worries.

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2883597]I do thank you for this method, and I will look around the map. What I am hoping for is recent first hand accounts of Laureles parlors. I know its going to depend on my experience in the moment, there are no guarantees of a good time. But hopefully someone out there can share some info. If not, I'll wing it no worries.[/QUOTE]Personally, a month and a half ago I went to one place.

ngeles Spa.

Cra. 81 #42 52, Laureles. Estadio, Medelland, Laureles, Medelland, Antioquia Colombia.

Apartment 202.

+57 3207376183.

They can be contacted by WhatsApp.

I met one girl: Samantha and I ended up spending a total of about 11 hours with her. 200 K per hour including uncovered blow job. I was very happy with that.

However on my next trip, I will probably drop in on a few places. I'm not too interested in anyone's opinion since Uber is just a few dollars and the girls at these place can change from hour to hour, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, different men like different kinds of sex, etc. Really cheap places I might be a little skeptical about, but you never know. I might check out one or two.

For what it's worth this is the local mongering site
https://catadorcolombia.com/

They seem to favor
https://ellaserotic.com
Which has two branches, one in the La America neighborhood and one in Los Colores so they are on the outskirts of Laureles.

Even the working girls in Colombia are traditional in that the man approaches the woman first. Especially in public, not sure if you expected them to cat-call at you or what. When times where slow they would and those are the ones to avoid. Also depends on the time of day or night. Some of these girls spend like 10 hours a day standing there waiting. Trust me they're not shy, they're just bored. Any girl just loitering around that area is working. You can tell if they're on their way somewhere. I just go up and see what they are like, flirt etc and get a phone number.

[QUOTE=AnarchyMD;2883549]I don't want to sound like a complete wet-behind-the-ear newb, but how does Parque Lleras work. I walk around there and it's dead as fuck. The only people approaching me are doormen trying to get me to pay for over price drinks. All the chicas are on their cellphones tiktoking it up or some shit. What am I missing about this place?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2883586]

Consider this armed robbery caught on video at the Click Clack Hotel 37 #10 A 29, El Poblado, a 5 star luxury hotel a few blocks from Parque lleras and Provenza. On the night of February 25, 2023 two men pulled up next to the hotel restaurant on a motorcycle, one entered with a gun and demanded valuables from the guests and then fled on the motorcycle driven by his accomplice.

[URL]https://youtu.be/RiDmn4dfRus?si=JOxqlX-NJMjcKRyB[/URL]

How likely is it that you'll have the business end of a gun pointed at you while having a night out in El Poblado? No one knows. Many crimes are not reported. But it does happen.[/QUOTE]Here is one of many websites dedicated to the weekly robberies and shootings throughout Texas. [URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/tag/robbery/.[/URL] You might have been one of those people who stayed home to stay safe during Covid. God bless you. Stay safe. Only go to the massage houses and private apartments if you think that makes you safer. To me it is silly af to live your life that way. I live in Medellin for 7 years, what am I going to do stay home? LOL.

Definitely looks better. More police during daytime. They seem to be pushing the vendors out manually and keeping the place and park clean, turning around and pestering some people. Will see how long that will last. Even the market under Parque Berrio metro northbound is like 10% of it's former vendor size, or less, but groups of older locals still hanging around looking at nothing and themselves, since there aren't many vendors. Haven't noticed usual druggies and homeless hanging around in there around the second fountain either, seems like they are keeping them out as well.

Seen the police pushing out the WGs from the front of Veracruz too but's it's like grinding water, as long as police stands there and tells each one to move they move, soon as police is gone, WGs are back. Curiously they didn't have a problem with WGs front of Veracruz when the barriers were up.

As for mongering, I don't see benefits of no-barriers personally -- same hookers as always anyway just need to be more careful after dark inside plaza, since robbers heave infinitely more ways to escape now and that's about it, probably won't be hanging out in PB until late night as I often used to but will see.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2883058]Well this is new. A casa right next to all of the street walkers and Centro bars? Are you sure you are not thinking about one of the many short time hotels in the area? First time I hear anyone ever mentioning a casa being in there.[/QUOTE]There is no casa there afaik. Closest casa to veracruz is next to hotel desesos (which is shit) and then armonia (I think that's the name) nearby.

[QUOTE=MichaelTaylor;2883516]Incoming Moron Weekend Warrior.

I'm travelling to Medellin soon and will be staying in the El Poblado area (near the Santafe Mall). I don't speak any Spanish. I'm mostly interested in full service massage places (or brothels, if they exist). I'm pretty comfortable with the protocols in the US when it comes to getting extra services in massage parlors, but I'd appreciate any tips in Medellin. Is it legal there or do I have to be discreet. If I wanted an hour massage that includes Full Service, what would the total cost be (session cost + tip).

Thanks for any advice. I did scroll through the pages here before posting this. We have a similar forum where I am (Maryland) and I know to RTFF first.[/QUOTE]Fellow Marylander so here you go. Full service massage places on the upper floors of the mall directly across the street from the entrance to the Oviedo mall, which also has a full service massage place. Just a few blocks from Santa Fe. Usually you will get a CMT level massage with extras available. It's very expensive for Medellin and you will be negotiating extras during the massage when you are nude with a stiff dick. Not a great bargaining tactic. Massage itself can range a bit but last time I went it was around 175-250 mil for a hour depending on what massage place you choose. You can start negotiating whenever you want during the massage by rubbing her ass and pussy through her clothes. She will take the cue open with an absurdly high number but some dumb shits must pay it because it's cheap compared to here in the USA Counter at about a third of what she wants and see where it ends up. She will likely negotiate down but she knows that you having a raging boner and thus she has the upper hand. Don't assume she has a condom. Take one or 2. She probably will not fuck you without one. It's been awhile since I've been there so maybe inflation has hit these prices. All in expect around 500 mil. Outrageous for Medellin but they are in an upscale safe mall with a nice "office", you will get an CMT level massage and you are negotiating with a stiff dick. Plenty of cheaper options if you look on Mileroticos for massage but don't expect a CMT level massage just sex. Use Uber to travel. It's cheap and easy. Google translate is an amazing tool. Download it and learn how to use it. Have it handy while you are on the massage table to negotiate. Also learning a few key phrases in Spanish helps. Others have posted here which ones are useful. Lastly don't be flashy, drunk, or high in public and keep your street smarts sharp and listen to the inner voice if it is saying something doesn't seem right it's likely on target. Carry only what you need and if someone sticks a gun or knife in your face promptly hand over your valuables. Get a cheap burner phone.

[QUOTE=Putero1;2883676]Here is one of many websites dedicated to the weekly robberies and shootings throughout Texas. [URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/tag/robbery/.[/URL] You might have been one of those people who stayed home to stay safe during Covid. God bless you. Stay safe. Only go to the massage houses and private apartments if you think that makes you safer. To me it is silly af to live your life that way. I live in Medellin for 7 years, what am I going to do stay home? LOL.[/QUOTE]I've lived in Medellin for 7 years as well. Posting about violence in Texas is irrelevant to what happens in Medellin. I have a residence in the USA as well in a city with very little crime and I don't use it as a reference point for Medellin either. There is crime all over the world, but the subject at hand is Medellin, Colombia.

Right, and this topic started as a response to what TexasPistol said right here a couple days ago

[QUOTE]go to the "erotic massage salons" aka brothels. Anything else is Russian roulette. Unless you enjoy that kind of danger, excitement, living on the edge situation, don't do it.[/QUOTE].

He went on to say that anything other than brothels is "russian roulette" because taking a girl out dancing runs the risk of looking down the barrel of a gun. I responded that the danger *particular to Medellin and what sets Medallo apart from the rest of the world, is that the danger comes from the Chicas and drugs into drinks. He disagreed. So you are commenting on the tail end of an exchange. Mr. TexasPistol. Who is from Texas presumably. Feels comfortable going to the grocery store and out to dinner in the Lone Star state ,but Medellin is Russian Roulette, Nah.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2883723]I've lived in Medellin for 7 years as well. Posting about violence in Texas is irrelevant to what happens in Medellin. I have a residence in the USA as well in a city with very little crime and I don't use it as a reference point for Medellin either. There is crime all over the world, but the subject at hand is Medellin, Colombia.[/QUOTE]

In Texas only good guys have guns. Forgive that off topic political messaging. Back to the matter at hand, I feel like there is more than enough safety information floating around mainstream and punter forums to equip even the most casual short term visitor with the tools needed for personal security. There are no sure fire 100% effective protection measures. There are effective ways to control the risk and, if applied consistently, Medellin can be made as safe as any comparable city. My advice to anyone who is so nervous about it they don't feel they can relax enough to enjoy their time here is to go somewhere else. Every few days someone comes on here to tell us they are, to paraphrase, "done with this fucking place. " I don't understand the need to be the person who has to loudly slam the cinema hall door on the way out of a movie they don't like but whatever. I wish everyone a fun and safe existence wherever they decide to go.

[QUOTE=Putero1;2883728]Right, and this topic started as a response to what TexasPistol said right here a couple days ago

.

He went on to say that anything other than brothels is "russian roulette" because taking a girl out dancing runs the risk of looking down the barrel of a gun. I responded that the danger *particular to Medellin and what sets Medallo apart from the rest of the world, is that the danger comes from the Chicas and drugs into drinks. He disagreed. So you are commenting on the tail end of an exchange. Mr. TexasPistol. Who is from Texas presumably. Feels comfortable going to the grocery store and out to dinner in the Lone Star state ,but Medellin is Russian Roulette, Nah.[/QUOTE]

Oh man, I know the place you mean. It was and maybe still is called Yakuza. It's always been rough. I have run into a handful of diamonds in there over the years but you have to scratch through a whole lot of coal in that joint.

[QUOTE=GrinMon;2883684]There is no casa there afaik. Closest casa to veracruz is next to hotel desesos (which is shit) and then armonia (I think that's the name) nearby.[/QUOTE]

What is safer Medellin or Bogota?? I know a lot depends on you and how careful you are. But for the guys that have been to both, which do you find a safer place? My biggest fear is getting drugged or robbed.

There are fewer vendors under the metro overpass and Parque Berrio because they are no longer all squeezed against the barrier competing for foot traffic between the barrier entrances. That was brutal.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2883680]Definitely looks better. More police during daytime. They seem to be pushing the vendors out manually and keeping the place and park clean, turning around and pestering some people. Will see how long that will last. Even the market under Parque Berrio metro northbound is like 10% of it's former vendor size, or less, but groups of older locals still hanging around looking at nothing and themselves, since there aren't many vendors. Haven't noticed usual druggies and homeless hanging around in there around the second fountain either, seems like they are keeping them out as well.

Seen the police pushing out the WGs from the front of Veracruz too but's it's like grinding water, as long as police stands there and tells each one to move they move, soon as police is gone, WGs are back. Curiously they didn't have a problem with WGs front of Veracruz when the barriers were up.

As for mongering, I don't see benefits of no-barriers personally -- same hookers as always anyway just need to be more careful after dark inside plaza, since robbers heave infinitely more ways to escape now and that's about it, probably won't be hanging out in PB until late night as I often used to but will see.[/QUOTE]

Medellin is safer. Don't take my word for it, ask the police.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2883773]What is safer Medellin or Bogota?? I know a lot depends on you and how careful you are. But for the guys that have been to both, which do you find a safer place? My biggest fear is getting drugged or robbed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Shoman;2883687]Fellow Marylander so here you go. Full service massage places on the upper floors of the mall directly across the street from the entrance to the Oviedo mall, which also has a full service massage place. Just a few blocks from Santa Fe. Usually you will get a CMT level massage with extras available. It's very expensive for Medellin and you will be negotiating extras during the massage when you are nude with a stiff dick. Not a great bargaining tactic. Massage itself can range a bit but last time I went it was around 175-250 mil for a hour depending on what massage place you choose. You can start negotiating whenever you want during the massage by rubbing her ass and pussy through her clothes. She will take the cue open with an absurdly high number but some dumb shits must pay it because it's cheap compared to here in the USA Counter at about a third of what she wants and see where it ends up. She will likely negotiate down but she knows that you having a raging boner and thus she has the upper hand. Don't assume she has a condom. Take one or 2. She probably will not fuck you without one. It's been awhile since I've been there so maybe inflation has hit these prices. All in expect around 500 mil. Outrageous for Medellin but they are in an upscale safe mall with a nice "office", you will get an CMT level massage and you are negotiating with a stiff dick. Plenty of cheaper options if you look on Mileroticos for massage but don't expect a CMT level massage just sex. Use Uber to travel. It's cheap and easy. Google translate is an amazing tool. Download it and learn how to use it. Have it handy while you are on the massage table to negotiate. Also learning a few key phrases in Spanish helps. Others have posted here which ones are useful. Lastly don't be flashy, drunk, or high in public and keep your street smarts sharp and listen to the inner voice if it is saying something doesn't seem right it's likely on target. Carry only what you need and if someone sticks a gun or knife in your face promptly hand over your valuables. Get a cheap burner phone.[/QUOTE]It's called Rio Sur Mall. Level 4 towards the back is OM Spa for men. There are also 4-5 other places there too.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2883773]What is safer Medellin or Bogota?? I know a lot depends on you and how careful you are. But for the guys that have been to both, which do you find a safer place? My biggest fear is getting drugged or robbed.[/QUOTE]I would say they are basically equivalent. The risk of getting drugged and / or robbed is proportional to your level of common sense. You won't get drugged like in a movie. You get drugged when someone puts something in your drink. Are you coming here to drink? I would seriously suggest you drink in the Sport's bar at San Peter with your homies. You should never be drinking with a girl in your hotel room or Air be-and-be. It will require you to be incredibly vigilant and suspicious all the time which surely will detract from your experience.

If you are smart enough to not drink with the girls and if you go to a strip bar, drink water with a screw top cap that you can keep with you at all times. If you do those things you aren't going to get drugged.

As far as getting robbed. Are you smart enough to keep everything of value in your safe? Or a locked up suitcase? Are you secure enough to leave your bling at home? Are you smart enough to NOT pull our your expensive cell phone every time it buzzes or chimes. Duck into a coffee shop or bakery to check your messages, if you must. Stay away from empty deserted streets. Cabs are cheap, really cheap.

You see, if you bring your common sense and realize you are in a country where half the population is very poor, so "no the papaya" (that is a Colombian saying which literally means don't "don't give papaya" meaning don't make yourself an attractive victim). Your junk wants to come here and play if you bring your brains along too you should have no real problems.

I checked out New Life to just get the check in the box. Attached is the price list. I thought it was interesting the specificity for time slots. The array of girls was dizzying. They brought them out in rapid succession and expect you to remember their name or number. My brain ain't that good but they worked with me to get the girl I wanted.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2883773]What is safer Medellin or Bogota?? I know a lot depends on you and how careful you are. But for the guys that have been to both, which do you find a safer place? My biggest fear is getting drugged or robbed.[/QUOTE]Been to both and in both there are druggings and robberies. I have never had either of those happen to me, but I've met several people that have.

I think it's a random shot either one. Depends on where you are, what you are doing, and just random chance. You will get opinions, I'm sure, but I would say they are equal. People's feeling of safety is not a reliable indicator of anything.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2883773]What is safer Medellin or Bogota?? I know a lot depends on you and how careful you are. But for the guys that have been to both, which do you find a safer place? My biggest fear is getting drugged or robbed.[/QUOTE]Medellíand's homicide rate is about 50% higher according to one source I looked at. A couple of others, the difference wasn't as much but MDE's rate was higher everywhere I looked. I've been to both and had issues in MDE and no issues in BOG, but of course that is a random sample of one.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2883591]If you see a pretty girl walk over and smile and say "Hola!" If she seems very happy to see you, then either you are extremely handsome or she's working. Take it from there. You are looking for companionship, etc.[/QUOTE]That's how easy it is in Medellin. When you say hola with a gringo accent and she engages, you basically will f her. I've done that in malls a bunch of times. My success rate was about 50/50. As for sex, I'd say half of them wanted money up front, the other half did not, but I usually take them to nice places to eat and shop, and I would give them 100 mil at the end if our time is great.

[QUOTE=Putero1;2883728]Right, and this topic started as a response to what TexasPistol said right here a couple days ago

.

He went on to say that anything other than brothels is "russian roulette" because taking a girl out dancing runs the risk of looking down the barrel of a gun. I responded that the danger *particular to Medellin and what sets Medallo apart from the rest of the world, is that the danger comes from the Chicas and drugs into drinks. He disagreed. So you are commenting on the tail end of an exchange. Mr. TexasPistol. Who is from Texas presumably. Feels comfortable going to the grocery store and out to dinner in the Lone Star state ,but Medellin is Russian Roulette, Nah.[/QUOTE]No offense to TexasPete, sorry TexasPistol LOL, I think anything he posts should be taken with a grain of salt. He obviously has very limited experience in Medellin and is basing his opinions off of hearsay he has read from other posts.

If I remember correctly, his first trip to Medellin was just last month and he severely overpaid, he posted about this in December quoting prices in USD and stating that he was paying $60 usd for short time encounters at casas which he called brothels.

Unless someone has atleast 10 2 week-long trips under his belt or has stayed here for several months at a time, then he really doesn't know what he is talking about. You can't just come here for a few days and visit a few casas / brothels and then proclaim to be a Medellin expert.

About the eternal question: How dangerous is Medellin?

Honestly, I just don't know and I doubt that anyone else does. There are so many different opinions online from seemingly sincere people.

This fellow declares that he spent a year traveling through 26 countries and the one place he will NOT visit again is Medellin.

[URL]https://youtu.be/9tzG0N33R8M?si=4sXuRyGm5M9khsVb&t=684[/URL]

This video just came out and he says it's no worse than the US.

[URL]https://youtu.be/0t8rN2HySAI?si=ON4B3tk_-mtZQgHB&t=426[/URL]

According to him, there were three serious incidents recently however they were unique exceptions and besides them, crime isn't a big problem.

My personal opinion is this. I'm a sex tourist. Personally, I'm not interested in music, dancing, drinking, nightlife. I want sex with a minimal risk of getting killed. So if Location A (streets of El Poblado) is rumored to have a serious risk and Location be (brothels) seems to have no risk, and both locations are about the same price with the same quality of women, I am going to be.

I am seriously considering trying the Philippines for my next trip for several reasons, such as less of a language barrier, but also because of the (alleged) crime problem in Medellin.

Perfect summary, well put.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2883742]There are no sure fire 100% effective protection measures. There are effective ways to control the risk and, if applied consistently, Medellin can be made as safe as any comparable city. My advice to anyone who is so nervous about it they don't feel they can relax enough to enjoy their time here is to go somewhere else.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2883773]What is safer Medellin or Bogota?? I know a lot depends on you and how careful you are. But for the guys that have been to both, which do you find a safer place? My biggest fear is getting drugged or robbed.[/QUOTE]Gracias for all your suggestions, they were greatly appreciated. I have been to Sao Paulo, Costa Rica, Bangkok, and several cities in Mexico including CDMX, and never felt unsafe. I will heed your words keep my head on a swivel but will enjoy myself, I am fluent in Espanol, and hopefully that will help.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2883895]About the eternal question: How dangerous is Medellin?

Honestly, I just don't know and I doubt that anyone else does. There are so many different opinions online from seemingly sincere people.

This fellow declares that he spent a year traveling through 26 countries and the one place he will NOT visit again is Medellin.

[URL]https://youtu.be/9tzG0N33R8M?si=4sXuRyGm5M9khsVb&t=684[/URL]

This video just came out and he says it's no worse than the US.

[URL]https://youtu.be/0t8rN2HySAI?si=ON4B3tk_-mtZQgHB&t=426[/URL]

According to him, there were three serious incidents recently however they were unique exceptions and besides them, crime isn't a big problem.

My personal opinion is this. I'm a sex tourist. Personally, I'm not interested in music, dancing, drinking, nightlife. I want sex with a minimal risk of getting killed. So if Location A (streets of El Poblado) is rumored to have a serious risk and Location be (brothels) seems to have no risk, and both locations are about the same price with the same quality of women, I am going to be..[/QUOTE]Going from Colombian women to Filipinas is going to be a huge letdown for you. The language proficiency was overrated.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2883773]What is safer Medellin or Bogota?? I know a lot depends on you and how careful you are. But for the guys that have been to both, which do you find a safer place? My biggest fear is getting drugged or robbed.[/QUOTE]I think the more upscale areas of Bogota are safer than the upscale areas of Medellin.

I am assuming you are not hanging out in the ghetto but there is a red light area in South Central Bogota that I went to with another ISGer that was scary as shit and way worse than centro in Medellin.

I have always stayed in hotels with good security, never had more than a beer or two when I went out, and I never had any problem with safety.

Also, I think because there was so much easy pussy whenever you had that warning voice in your head go off, like your Spidy sense, go off, I would listen to it. I think we all have done dumb things in pursuit of pussy.

I met a dancer in Bogota and banged her. She was hot and great lay, and I took her back to my hotel. I saw her again, and she was like come to my place, I want to cook for you. And I was like no, you cook and bring the food to my hotel. Then I saw her at the club again and she was weird. She was pushing for me to go to her place after I banged her in the club, and I did not go. I never saw her again.

I just felt like she was trying to hard to get me to come to her place and something was just not right about it. I am not sure if she was trying to get me to her place to drug me or rob me, but looking back on things, my guess is she probably was.

Full disclosure, I did not click the youtube links. This is because you can find a youtube video that supports any narrative, so for me posting and viewing dueling youtube videos is pointless.

The simple answer to the question of how dangerous Medellin is "it depends. " It depends on the individual and what that individual does and how that individual moves. Enjoy the Philippines.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2883895]About the eternal question: How dangerous is Medellin?

Honestly, I just don't know and I doubt that anyone else does. There are so many different opinions online from seemingly sincere people.

This fellow declares that he spent a year traveling through 26 countries and the one place he will NOT visit again is Medellin.

[URL]https://youtu.be/9tzG0N33R8M?si=4sXuRyGm5M9khsVb&t=684[/URL]

This video just came out and he says it's no worse than the US.

[URL]https://youtu.be/0t8rN2HySAI?si=ON4B3tk_-mtZQgHB&t=426[/URL]

According to him, there were three serious incidents recently however they were unique exceptions and besides them, crime isn't a big problem..[/QUOTE]

I don't mean to treat you like Claudine Gay the ex-President of Harvard and of course this is not the Times of London but an you name any of your sources? I'm shit at math but I do know 50% higher is not very meaningful without a baseline.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2883819]Medelland's homicide rate is about 50% higher according to one source I looked at. A couple of others, the difference wasn't as much but MDE's rate was higher everywhere I looked. I've been to both and had issues in MDE and no issues in BOG, but of course that is a random sample of one.[/QUOTE]

I remember that time slot thing from years ago. After a session as I was getting dressed a girl told I had to wait for her to shower before I could leave. It made me wonder how many guys actually go along with that and pay the girls extra for sitting there while they slow walk the end of the session.

[QUOTE=AnarchyMD;2883802]I checked out New Life to just get the check in the box. Attached is the price list. I thought it was interesting the specificity for time slots. The array of girls was dizzying. They brought them out in rapid succession and expect you to remember their name or number. My brain ain't that good but they worked with me to get the girl I wanted.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2883789]It's called Rio Sur Mall. Level 4 towards the back is OM Spa for men. There are also 4-5 other places there too.[/QUOTE]For what it's worth, I'm not sure you can count on FS in these places. Been to OM several times and I think each girl is a freelancer. I've never had FS offered. Since I'm usually more interested in a BJ, it doesn't hurt my feelings. LOL But as has been said, their extras prices are really high. One girl asked for 300 k for a HJ. I just laughed and told her just finish my massage. The massages are really good though. As always, YMMV.

I echo TXP's sentiments below. I'm not interested in music or clubs or drinking or nightlife. This is where all the questions I've asked have pointed at as well in terms of wanting to maximize my time with the ladies. I'm only in Medellin for two days (sandwiched between 3 days in Bogota). In Colombia for a total of 5 days and I'd like to experience a minimum of 3 women per day. That might seem lofty but as the old saying goes, "I ain't here for a long time, I'm here for a good time."

That being the case, I've compiled a list of places (with a few notes) to visit based off research and suggestions from this excellent message group / you fine folks:

Angeles Spa.

Eros Spa.

New Life. Massage (visit during the day).

Jade Palace spa massage.

Loutron Massage.

Gustos. Bar.

Black Diamond. Club.

Playmates / Conejitas strip club.

Rio Sir Mall OM Span for men (level 4).

I'd gladly take feedback on those locations or recommendations on others (with the knowledge of what I am looking for). I'm also still looking for ideas on where to stay. Looking at Hotel Dix but not 100% sold. As always, thanks in advance and stay safe out there!

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2883895].....My personal opinion is this. I'm a sex tourist. Personally, I'm not interested in music, dancing, drinking, nightlife. I want sex with a minimal risk of getting killed...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2883789]It's called Rio Sur Mall. Level 4 towards the back is OM Spa for men. There are also 4-5 other places there too.[/QUOTE]I've been to OM Spa several times and always had a good experience. I've always gone for the sensual massage and happy ending. I got phone number of one of the therapists and next trip took her to dinner and engaged in sexy time in Airbnb apartment.

I went once to a smaller spa in Rio Sur and ended up having a massage then a wild full service session with an attractive MILF therapist.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2883972]Going from Colombian women to Filipinas is going to be a huge letdown for you. The language proficiency was overrated.[/QUOTE]I agree about the language. I think it is better to speak English to a Colombian person and know they do not understand what the hell you are saying, than to speak English to a Filipino person and they agree to what you are saying, but later you find out they did not know what the hell you were saying.

Colombians are also smarter that Filipinos. I like to tell the story about when I was at a resort in the Philippines. Me and my girl were in the pool and the worker came around to take dinner orders. I looked at the menu and did not fell like much so I asked for a grilled cheese. She said sorry sir, we do not have grilled cheese; we only have grilled ham and cheese.

Also, maybe he likes his women shaped like wooden planks. If that is the case then he will be in hog heaven.

Sex addicts. Hanging on to every post until they read something that pushes the tipping point to buying a ticket.

Look, your chances of dying are much greater by a Colombians hand the second you step off the plane.

You make it back safely without incident and believe it will always be like that then good on ya. Kinda like the actor in the movie "The hurt locker".

The guys that didn't even make it to the city can't report anymore so that's in your favor. Like an ostrich with its head in the ground.

Man up or live vicariously through others on the internet LOL.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2883972]Going from Colombian women to Filipinas is going to be a huge letdown for you. The language proficiency was overrated.[/QUOTE]I have seen youtube videos, by filipinas, who explain that most filipinas are only interested in vaginal intercourse with the lights off but they prefer no condom, which for me is a big plus.

I am more attracted to Latinas on the average. On the other hand I am not attracted to psychopaths pointing guns at me. I don't even like being pickpocketed, which did actually happen to me in Medellin.

It's a tough call.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2883999]The simple answer to the question of how dangerous Medellin is "it depends. " It depends on the individual and what that individual does and how that individual moves. Enjoy the Philippines.[/QUOTE]I think people who are coming to Medellin as tourists are really asking "How dangerous is Medellin compared to where I live?" If you are coming from a nice neighborhood in the US or Europe the answer is "definitely more dangerous" however no one really knows how much more dangerous. You should take a lot of precautions which you do not need to take at home. Even then if you happen to have bad luck and be at the wrong time and wrong place, something bad can happen and back home that's much less likely.

America is dangerous too when you're dealing with lying gold diggers. This baseball player was targeted by a girl and falsely accused him of rape, and then her texts revealed she was going after him before she even met him. Men are marks no matter where we live.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6SphfHJbsmk&pp=ygUfVHJldm9yIGJhdWVyIHRleHRzIHJhcGUgYWNjdXNlcg%3D%3D[/URL]

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2884148]I think people who are coming to Medellin as tourists are really asking "How dangerous is Medellin compared to where I live?" [/QUOTE]I disagree. I think tourists tend to compare where they can spend their money amongst different locations to vacation. All things being equal, a guy might be deciding between Medellin and Sosua, for example. If they feel like Sosua is safer, they might pick Sosua, regardless if they come from the Projects on the South Side of Chicago. If a tourist was considering a trip to Ukraine, now might not be a good time, regardless of where you live in the states. People travel to places like Cuba all the time and know it is more restrictive than where they come from, but they compare Cuba to other destinations, not where they come from.

Great point. The USA is probably the most dangerous country in the world to be fucking lots of women all the time.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2884213]America is dangerous too when you're dealing with lying gold diggers. This baseball player was targeted by a girl and falsely accused him of rape, and then her texts revealed she was going after him before she even met him. Men are marks no matter where we live.

[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6SphfHJbsmk&pp=ygUfVHJldm9yIGJhdWVyIHRleHRzIHJhcGUgYWNjdXNlcg%3D%3D[/URL][/QUOTE]

You might be on to something. Just recently there was a guy on here asking the group to decide between Medellin and Sosua for him.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2884253]I disagree. I think tourists tend to compare where they can spend their money amongst different locations to vacation. All things being equal, a guy might be deciding between Medellin and Sosua, for example. If they feel like Sosua is safer, they might pick Sosua, regardless if they come from the Projects on the South Side of Chicago. If a tourist was considering a trip to Ukraine, now might not be a good time, regardless of where you live in the states. People travel to places like Cuba all the time and know it is more restrictive than where they come from, but they compare Cuba to other destinations, not where they come from.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2884001]I don't mean to treat you like Claudine Gay the ex-President of Harvard and of course this is not the Times of London but an you name any of your sources? I'm shit at math but I do know 50% higher is not very meaningful without a baseline.[/QUOTE][URL]https://colombiacorners.com/is-bogota-safe/[/URL]#text=100%2 C000%20 in%202022%20 is%20 way,(25%20 homicides%2 F100 k).

[URL]https://colombiareports.com/bogota-crime-security-statistics/[/URL]

Et cetera. I just googled 'Homicide rate Bogota medellin" or some such.

But 50% more is 50% more regardless of baselines. Um 3 vs 2? Does that help? Anyway MDE appears to have a higher homicide rate by all sources.

The big difference is when in poblado or mongering as a foreigner we are specific targets. Whereas in the USA certain areas are generally dangerous. Look at yourself in the mirror if you don't resemble a Colombian you're a specific target to those that are in the business of drugging, pickpocketing, robbing, etc. If a thief in bello is looking to rob someone then they don't care who they rob. If they're robbing in poblado they're looking for a specific profile to target.

Colombia corners and Colombia reports, yes this helps me understand your sources. Anyway, I'm a simple guy so my perspective is not complicated. People who have had problems here should seriously consider changes to their routines or trying to get by someplace else. People who haven't had problems should stick with what's working. Crimes happen in big cities. Anyone to whom that is news should definitely get their antenna up.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2884326][URL]https://colombiacorners.com/is-bogota-safe/[/URL]#text=100%2 C000%20 in%202022%20 is%20 way,(25%20 homicides%2 F100 k).

[URL]https://colombiareports.com/bogota-crime-security-statistics/[/URL]

Et cetera. I just googled 'Homicide rate Bogota medellin" or some such.

But 50% more is 50% more regardless of baselines. Um 3 vs 2? Does that help? Anyway MDE appears to have a higher homicide rate by all sources.[/QUOTE]

I fucked up. This is my fault for not understanding the topic. I thought these posts dominating the conversation the past couple of weeks were about guys getting drugged and robbed. I do know a subset of the victims have turned up dead but I did think it was about murder rates in general. I have to own up to not paying as much attention to content here that isn't about girls specifically.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2884326][URL]https://colombiacorners.com/is-bogota-safe/[/URL]#text=100%2 C000%20 in%202022%20 is%20 way,(25%20 homicides%2 F100 k).

[URL]https://colombiareports.com/bogota-crime-security-statistics/[/URL]

Et cetera. I just googled 'Homicide rate Bogota medellin" or some such.

But 50% more is 50% more regardless of baselines. Um 3 vs 2? Does that help? Anyway MDE appears to have a higher homicide rate by all sources.[/QUOTE]

This photo from the official Instagram account of Barrio Provenza made me smile over the weekend. It is one of a series of three or four to illustrate a post that thanked City Hall for mounting police security operations in the neighborhood. If you look closely you can notice the policeman searching the prepago's handbag pulled out a large bottle of durex lube.

[QUOTE=Shoman;2883687]Fellow Marylander so here you go. Full service massage places on the upper floors of the mall directly across the street from the entrance to the Oviedo mall, which also has a full service massage place. Just a few blocks from Santa Fe. Usually you will get a CMT level massage with extras available. [/QUOTE]Thanks for this advice (and the few others that have added info). I've been picking up some Spanish phrases to help me communicate.

If I can get away from my group, I might do a cap ride to New Life, but that is probably unlikely. That said:

I'm probably looking to go to the Rio Sur mall and find a place there. That's just 2-3 blocks from where I'm staying. It sounds like there are a few places on the 4th level that could be of interest. I'm really looking for more than a Happy Ending. Full service, ideally. Are there places there that are more prone to do that, than others? Would I be better off taking an 9 block walk to Jade Palace for this?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2883984]I am assuming you are not hanging out in the ghetto but there is a red light area in South Central Bogota that I went to with another ISGer that was scary as shit and way worse than centro in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Would you please remind the name of that area? I remember I was in such a place many years ago, and I was never able to locate it again. No, I am not speaking about Bronx or LOS Martires, and I understand you are not speaking about that.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2884329]The big difference is when in poblado or mongering as a foreigner we are specific targets. Whereas in the USA certain areas are generally dangerous. Look at yourself in the mirror if you don't resemble a Colombian you're a specific target to those that are in the business of drugging, pickpocketing, robbing, etc. If a thief in bello is looking to rob someone then they don't care who they rob. If they're robbing in poblado they're looking for a specific profile to target.[/QUOTE]Well said. Comparing two locations comes with so many variables is nearly impossible. We can overcomplicate it. Your point is true and simple. If you fit the profile, you are a target. Uncontrollable. But you can mitigate those risks with any number of the tactics discussed on this board forever.

On a related note, while looking in the mirror. I have a theory. And it's partly common sense. It is wholly unscientific and not much more than speculation on my part. But I think that your size has alot to do with that. Again, seems fairly obvious. I'm generally cautious and aware. But I've put myself in some bad situations on multiple occasions by partying too hard. I'm not bragging; it's embarrasing. But no doubt I was an easy mark. But I'm a bigger guy. I'm not muscular, just heavy. More fuscle than muscle. Haha But generally speaking, I'm larger than latinos. So while I think luck has played a part, I also think that your physical size is part of the equation.

I couldn't help but browse the ads on Mileroticos. As a complete gringo visiting Medellin for the first time (that doesn't speak Spanish), should I even attempt this?

I'm obviously nervous about visiting anyone in their incall. . . . but I've also heard of horror stories inviting escorts to my hotel room.

Should I just stick to an overpriced experience at OM Spas or should I play the Mileroticos game.

Any red flags on this ad (mostly interested because she seemingly speaks English):

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/sexy-ginger-milf-pelirroja-madura-y-sexy/23367356/[/URL]

Take an uber, didi or taxi to Zandaly, New Life, Amigas Sexxy. The last two are easier access from the main boulevard. The employees will help you get a ride back to Poblado. You will spend less and get much more. The catch is you will be exposed to Colombia but that is not necessarily a bad thing. You can blame me if this eventually leads you into becoming a Centro rat.

[QUOTE=MichaelTaylor;2884495]Thanks for this advice (and the few others that have added info). I've been picking up some Spanish phrases to help me communicate.

If I can get away from my group, I might do a cap ride to New Life, but that is probably unlikely. That said:

I'm probably looking to go to the Rio Sur mall and find a place there. That's just 2-3 blocks from where I'm staying. It sounds like there are a few places on the 4th level that could be of interest. I'm really looking for more than a Happy Ending. Full service, ideally. Are there places there that are more prone to do that, than others? Would I be better off taking an 9 block walk to Jade Palace for this?[/QUOTE]

Take an uber, didi or taxi to Zandaly, New Life, Amigas Sexxy. The last two are easier access from the main boulevard. The employees will help you get a ride back to Poblado. You will spend less and get much more. The catch is you will be exposed to Colombia but that is not necessarily a bad thing. Be sure to get it in before dark (about 6 PM). You can blame me if this eventually leads you into becoming a Centro rat.

[QUOTE=MichaelTaylor;2884495]Thanks for this advice (and the few others that have added info). I've been picking up some Spanish phrases to help me communicate.

If I can get away from my group, I might do a cap ride to New Life, but that is probably unlikely. That said:

I'm probably looking to go to the Rio Sur mall and find a place there. That's just 2-3 blocks from where I'm staying. It sounds like there are a few places on the 4th level that could be of interest. I'm really looking for more than a Happy Ending. Full service, ideally. Are there places there that are more prone to do that, than others? Would I be better off taking an 9 block walk to Jade Palace for this?[/QUOTE]

It might be Santa Fe?

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2884508]Would you please remind the name of that area? I remember I was in such a place many years ago, and I was never able to locate it again. No, I am not speaking about Bronx or LOS Martires, and I understand you are not speaking about that.[/QUOTE]

Are you thinking of Santa Fe?

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2884508]Would you please remind the name of that area? I remember I was in such a place many years ago, and I was never able to locate it again. No, I am not speaking about Bronx or LOS Martires, and I understand you are not speaking about that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2884604]Are you thinking of Santa Fe?[/QUOTE]Primero de Mayo the tolerence zone in the south of Bogota, basically another zone like santa fe, but very few gringos dare go there. Been there a few times with colombian friends to check out a compleely different set of girls when we get bored with santa fe, but I don't recommend you go there if you can't speak spanish, stick to chapinero and santa fe.

[QUOTE=MichaelTaylor;2884568]I couldn't help but browse the ads on Mileroticos. As a complete gringo visiting Medellin for the first time (that doesn't speak Spanish), should I even attempt this?

I'm obviously nervous about visiting anyone in their incall. . . . but I've also heard of horror stories inviting escorts to my hotel room.

Should I just stick to an overpriced experience at OM Spas or should I play the Mileroticos game.

Any red flags on this ad (mostly interested because she seemingly speaks English):

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/sexy-ginger-milf-pelirroja-madura-y-sexy/23367356/[/URL][/QUOTE]The only red flags I see are that she is old and fugly.

What is my Spanish going to do for me? Can I say don't rob me because I'm asking you not to in Spanish, or "leave me alone I am a Medellin Centro rat?

[QUOTE=MaxLee88;2884663]Primero de Mayo the tolerence zone in the south of Bogota, basically another zone like santa fe, but very few gringos dare go there. Been there a few times with colombian friends to check out a compleely different set of girls when we get bored with santa fe, but I don't recommend you go there if you can't speak spanish, stick to chapinero and santa fe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaxLee88;2884663]Primero de Mayo the tolerence zone in the south of Bogota, basically another zone like santa fe, but very few gringos dare go there. Been there a few times with colombian friends to check out a compleely different set of girls when we get bored with santa fe, but I don't recommend you go there if you can't speak spanish, stick to chapinero and santa fe.[/QUOTE]There's another one too called 7 de Agosto I believe.

[QUOTE=MichaelTaylor;2884568]Any red flags on this ad (mostly interested because she seemingly speaks English):[/QUOTE]She seemingly speaks English because she used google translate for the ad?

[QUOTE=MichaelTaylor;2884568]I couldn't help but browse the ads on Mileroticos. As a complete gringo visiting Medellin for the first time (that doesn't speak Spanish), should I even attempt this?

I'm obviously nervous about visiting anyone in their incall. . . . but I've also heard of horror stories inviting escorts to my hotel room.

Should I just stick to an overpriced experience at OM Spas or should I play the Mileroticos game.

Any red flags on this ad (mostly interested because she seemingly speaks English):

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/sexy-ginger-milf-pelirroja-madura-y-sexy/23367356/[/URL][/QUOTE]You can read the reviews on this website to get a sense of what you may receive. YMMV as always but it offers some piece of mind. Use the translator app on your browser to convert to English. [URL]https://catadorcolombia.com/forums[/URL]

[QUOTE=MichaelTaylor;2884495]Thanks for this advice (and the few others that have added info). I've been picking up some Spanish phrases to help me communicate.

If I can get away from my group, I might do a cap ride to New Life, but that is probably unlikely. That said:

I'm probably looking to go to the Rio Sur mall and find a place there. That's just 2-3 blocks from where I'm staying. It sounds like there are a few places on the 4th level that could be of interest. I'm really looking for more than a Happy Ending. Full service, ideally. Are there places there that are more prone to do that, than others? Would I be better off taking an 9 block walk to Jade Palace for this?[/QUOTE]Usually it depends on the girl what is available and I suppose if she likes your vibe or wallet. I generally make sure they see I have a decent amount of cash on me when I prepay for the massage portion of the appointment and you can literally see their eyes light up with greed. So you do have some bargaining power because of the potential opportunity for her to loose out on a lucrative payday. I've had full service at all of them except for the Asian themed place which quoted a truly astonishing number for a hand job but I've also been told full service wasn't available from specific girls but it has been rare. One girl said no to full service but agreed to a BBBJ. She gave me one of the top 10 BBBJ's I've ever had and I've had a lot. I'm glad she said no to FS and based on her skills I subsequently assumed it was only because she was likely on the rag. It's like a box of chocolates Forrest.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2884681]The only red flags I see are that she is old and fugly.[/QUOTE]It'll work because I'm old and fugly. Ha.

As I'm learning from all of you fine gentlemen, I'll try to do a cab ride to New Life, otherwise, I'll hit OM (or one of the other places in that Rio Sur mall).

[QUOTE=BlackPage;2884508]Would you please remind the name of that area? I remember I was in such a place many years ago, and I was never able to locate it again. No, I am not speaking about Bronx or LOS Martires, and I understand you are not speaking about that.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it is Primer de Mayo. Top and most upscale club there was Angelo's. The funny part about it was there were way more women there and way fewer customers but the women would quote Santa Fe prices and could not be talked down. I cannot recall going to a club in Santa Fe and there only being three men and thirty women, but we saw club after club like that. There are not any street walkers, and the guys trying to get you into the clubs were way, way more aggressive than Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2884718]What is my Spanish going to do for me? Can I say don't rob me because I'm asking you not to in Spanish, or "leave me alone I am a Medellin Centro rat?[/QUOTE]Jajajaja true, speaking Spanish and having street smarts are not magic pills that will guarantee your safety and insulate you to avoid criminal activity or bad situations as the locals born and raised here in Colombia are unfortunately victims of crime every day too. Just saying a gringo with no Spanish communication ability increases his chances exponentially of being a victim.

Intro: Forgive me forum but I have sinned.

I went to Colombia for a month and use my knowledge you all have granted me and didn't share a single detail. May 15 - June 17 or something.

Sad story & excuse: I lost my main cell phone the very first day I was in the country. Make the the first hour I was out of customs. I knew the rules and I came prepared with the burner phone. The problem was I didn't login to all my apps before the trip. This cause some issue with Uber and it wouldn't let me order a car from the burner phone despite being logged in. Temptation got me and I wanted to go to the strip club mind you this is in Bogota. I spent a day or two there before going to Medellíand for the majority of my trip. Long story short I lose the phone before I even make into the club. This traumatized me as I'm now stranded in a foreign place and I didn't even know my address. By the grace of God I made it home after contemplating the reality I would be sleeping outside my first night in Colombia. The relief that washed over me as my building came into view was unimaginable. For some unknown reason I took my frustration out on you guys hy not reporting back it was out of pocket and tbh I don't know why I did it.

To clear my conscious I will do my best to tell the stories I remember. I was there for a month so even 50% of my stories is is going to give us plenty of material for the forum. I go back to Medellíand this Saturday so I got alot of old news to unpack in preparation for the new memories.

1st Medellin story:

There is this hotel type structure called go living suites. Seems to be a building full of hotel room sized Airbnbs. It's located in Poblado, the richest area of town to my knowledge. I had the room with a one Bryant motif. Enough about the room. First thing I did when I got there was leave to get supplies. I headed to the grocery store for beer and water. The water was for me. I bought a six pack for the door men and a six pack for the chicas that would visit.

I'm pretty sure the first night I invited a girl over. We will call her Angie. Funny thing is that might be her real name but I honestly can't remember. She was tall, maybe 5 foot 7. She was slim with chocolate skin. I'm a fan of the afro Latinas. I remember she had big lips and big tits I loved. She was a younger girl, maybe like 20. I remember she was late because she left her ID with a relative on accident. When I heard that my antenna was up for the bull shit. I gave her a time limit. She managed to beat it. This was my first Colombian Facebook girl. I had read they can be flakey and to have a backup and to employ this very strategy.

How we met: we met in Facebook. The way the pros on the forum would usually do it. We met after I made it to Colombia but before I was in Medellin. I gave her some normal conversation to get some details on her life. She is a single mother and unfortunately I knew that meant I had a chance to work my move. The day before I get to Medellin I let her know I'm not looking for nothing serious and I got her number anyway. I phrased it as a bias question. "you not looking for a serious relationship are you? If not that's cool I'm just trying to have fun". When she didn't disagree I knew I was in the game. Eventually I get her to agree to my terms.

-At least 3 hours, maybe I said 4 idk.

- bare blow job.

- condom sex.

- kissing.

-250.000 pesos.

-20.000 pesos for transportation. Maybe more I forgot what my policy was but it was meant to be fair.

She agreed to it. I'm pretty sure I started at 200 and she negotiated up to 250.

The room: When she arrived we checked her in head to my room and I offered her a beer. I read this beer move was a classic. Seemed to be a waste of beer most of the time since no one finished it but it gave them something to help with some of the nervous energy. I try to get her to pick a song to listen too on YouTube to help set the move. I didn't know what Colombian women liked yet because this is the first one I've ever had in my room. She reluctantly found a Playlist. I could sense the mood was low so I tried to up my game and hit her with another move I've read about. However, my execution in this instance was laughable. I reached into a hide place and like magic produced a jewelry box the long kind that would normally hold a necklace in it as a gift. I give her the anklet inside hoping to raise her morale. It did a little bit but not as much as I had hoped. Maybe it's a "you get what you pay for "type situation. I had bought several super cheap jewelry off of temu before arriving. I put them in boxes from Amazon to make them more presentable. I Spent maybe 25 dollars if like 8 gifts for added negotiations leverage when needed.

After she accepted the present she had a noticeable but small smile on her face. I suggested that she take a shower, talking up the luxury of it. She went in without any resistance. I imagine she enjoyed the hot water and nice pressure as she mentally prepared to receive the dick of a complete stranger. Once she got out she was wrapped in her towel. Her long legs where in full view battling for my attention with the combo of her pretty face perched above her Bountiful cleavage. She sat on the couch adjacent to the bed and sipped the beer some more. I could tell she was still nervous, but by this time I had ran out of prepared moves and my blood wasn't in the head that is responsible for coming up with a good pan, but the other one. I tell her to come sit by me on the foot of the bed. She put her beer down and did as she was told. Within seconds I had her towel off and I kissed her. She didn't seem overly receptive to the kiss which was a bummer. Too bad for her that did little to stop what was inevitable. I played with her tits they were more saggy than I expected but still had some weight to them. Before too long I stand up and put my dick in her face. I could see she wanted to say something, but I could sense she new it would fall on deaf ears. Mostly because my Spanish is bad LOL. She took me in her mouth for a tame short BJ. I forget how it happened but she basically communicated to me she was done sucking dick. I took her from behind next. I tried more kissing in missionary it wasn't great. Her riding skills were awesome though. We ordered food and we fucked till it got there. Then I after we eat I told her she need to make me nut again before she was dismissed. I paid her and sent her on her way.

She was a beautiful girl but obviously not that into the situation. We went weeks without talking. I wasn't keen on her coming back because of her attitude. It was a decent first fuck on Colombia but it could have been better.

Sorry if this is a duplicate I thought I made this post last night but I don't see it.

[QUOTE=MaxLee88;2884801]Jajajaja true, speaking Spanish and having street smarts are not magic pills that will guarantee your safety and insulate you to avoid criminal activity or bad situations as the locals born and raised here in Colombia are unfortunately victims of crime every day too. JuAst saying a gringo with no Spanish communication ability increases his chances exponentially of being a victim.[/QUOTE]With respect, the inability to communicate easily in Spanish does not "exponentially" increase your chances of being a victim. I think it is something different, a lack of understanding the culture, that leads to victimization. So what do I mean? Wearing jewelry or expensive watches, pulling out your iphone while you are on some street. Walking alone down some isolated street, especially at night. Wearing shorts or sandals. These are things that make you stand out. Many of us are very pale, or tall but even with that, it is that something extra that makes someone stick out that gets them noticed and in trouble.

I was just at New Life last week for the first time. Not sure why but the Uber driver drove us through the worst parts of Medellin. I would not walk through those areas during the day, much less at night. The session was ok. The room was super small and hot. Not sure if I would go back there though, but the prices were so low, so maybe jaja. Here are the latest prices and a photo of the waiting area.

Guys, I know one of the spas will send photos of who is working at the moment. The others are a gamble, you can't meet the lineup. Any of you cats get a masseuse blindly and chose to leave?

What is Parque Lleras like during the day in terms of looking for ladies? I will likely be staying somewhere close and I was curious what kind of working ladies I can expect to find during the day and what pricepoint I can expect. Also, still looking for recommendations on lodging. Finally locked my flights in place and I will be staying four nights. Checking in on a Friday night and checking out on a Tuesday. Any help / tips / recommendations are appreciated.

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;2884933]I was just at New Life last week for the first time. Not sure why but the Uber driver drove us through the worst parts of Medellin. I would not walk through those areas during the day, much less at night. The session was ok. The room was super small and hot. Not sure if I would go back there though, but the prices were so low, so maybe jaja. Here are the latest prices and a photo of the waiting area.[/QUOTE]You didn't go through the worst parts of Medellin, they would not be on your route or anywhere close to New Life. But the area around New Life is quite okay, I walk there lots and it is not a bad area, lots of little restaurants and bakeries and such. I usually ride the metro down to San Antonio or Parque Berrio stations and walk over. About a 10 or 15 minute walk. I would not be keen on it at night, but during the day and early evening lots of regular people out and about and quite pleasant.

My guess is his driver took him on a shortcut through Niquitao to avoid the traffic in San Diego. It is in fact one of Medellin's worst neighborhoods. It is where transient Venezuelans and indigenous people who don't have the means to stay in Santa Cruz, Manrique, Paris and other well known slums of Medellin. It's not unusual in Niquitao that people default to sleeping in the wooded areas on the south side of avenida San Juan until they can scratch together enough to pay for a daily room fee. The neighborhood can be quite jarring at first sight. It's not a place to stroll during anytime of day or night.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2884962]You didn't go through the worst parts of Medellin, they would not be on your route or anywhere close to New Life. But the area around New Life is quite okay, I walk there lots and it is not a bad area, lots of little restaurants and bakeries and such. I usually ride the metro down to San Antonio or Parque Berrio stations and walk over. About a 10 or 15 minute walk. I would not be keen on it at night, but during the day and early evening lots of regular people out and about and quite pleasant.[/QUOTE]

The waiting room photo is classic. Two gringo punters in the middle of the city dressed for a day at the beach.

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;2884933]I was just at New Life last week for the first time. Not sure why but the Uber driver drove us through the worst parts of Medellin. I would not walk through those areas during the day, much less at night. The session was ok. The room was super small and hot. Not sure if I would go back there though, but the prices were so low, so maybe jaja. Here are the latest prices and a photo of the waiting area.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;2884933]I was just at New Life last week for the first time. Not sure why but the Uber driver drove us through the worst parts of Medellin. I would not walk through those areas during the day, much less at night. The session was ok. The room was super small and hot. Not sure if I would go back there though, but the prices were so low, so maybe jaja. Here are the latest prices and a photo of the waiting area.[/QUOTE]Not really cheap compared to other casas in that area with better looking talent prices starting 55 for 30 minutes.

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;2884933]I was just at New Life last week for the first time. Not sure why but the Uber driver drove us through the worst parts of Medellin. I would not walk through those areas during the day, much less at night. The session was ok. The room was super small and hot. Not sure if I would go back there though, but the prices were so low, so maybe jaja. Here are the latest prices and a photo of the waiting area.[/QUOTE]Even if you do the right thing and dress casual, no jewelry, it all comes down to luck or wrong place wrong time. Remember that video from Brazil with the girl sitting in front of her apartment complex and that guy just walks by and starts stabbing her. My first time in Colombia I went to La Isla and this guy, I guess didn't like Americans, and was saying something to me in Spanish, I didn't know what he was saying, he looked pissed. Bouncer said don't worry and threw him out. It could be any thing that triggers somebody. Keep to yourself, don't trust anyone there and hope for the best.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2885024]My guess is his driver took him on a shortcut through Niquitao to avoid the traffic in San Diego. It is in fact one of Medellin's worst neighborhoods. It is where transient Venezuelans and indigenous people who don't have the means to stay in Santa Cruz, Manrique, Paris and other well known slums of Medellin. It's not unusual in Niquitao that people default to sleeping in the wooded areas on the south side of avenida San Juan until they can scratch together enough to pay for a daily room fee. The neighborhood can be quite jarring at first sight. It's not a place to stroll during anytime of day or night.[/QUOTE]Possible. I have been through there going back up toward Poblado in a taxi and it is not a great area. And the area under the metro going toward Prado station has some rough spots. But that is not likely on a route to New Life is what I was thinking. Anyway, there are such places where casual walking would not be advised.

What's everyone think of the Airbnb options around Parque? Also looking at Hashtag 98 and the Damn Carlton. I'm looking for a place that has a decent setup since I'll be there 5 days.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2885024]My guess is his driver took him on a shortcut through Niquitao to avoid the traffic in San Diego. It is in fact one of Medellin's worst neighborhoods. It is where transient Venezuelans and indigenous people who don't have the means to stay in Santa Cruz, Manrique, Paris and other well known slums of Medellin. It's not unusual in Niquitao that people default to sleeping in the wooded areas on the south side of avenida San Juan until they can scratch together enough to pay for a daily room fee. The neighborhood can be quite jarring at first sight. It's not a place to stroll during anytime of day or night.[/QUOTE]Kind of like that area west of Prado, I think mayorista or whatever, where there are a lot of homeless people on drugs all in the streets. There's a place there where the homeless can go to shower and get cleaned up and get a meal it's called DIA dos or some shit. The homeless are called habitantes de la calle. I could see how an area like that could scare some gringos.

This is messed up. That sign indicates New Life is the most expensive casa in Centro right now. I guess they are entitled to leverage their core customer base.

[QUOTE=ElPostino;2885051]Not really cheap compared to other casas in that area with better looking talent prices starting 55 for 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]

All in all I think you did well.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2884893]Intro: Forgive me forum but I have sinned.

I went to Colombia for a month and use my knowledge you all have granted me and didn't share a single detail. May 15 - June 17 or something.

Sad story & excuse: I lost my main cell phone the very first day I was in the country. Make the the first hour I was out of customs. I knew the rules and I came prepared with the burner phone. The problem was I didn't login to all my apps before the trip. This cause some issue with Uber and it wouldn't let me order a car from the burner phone despite being logged in. Temptation got me and I wanted to go to the strip club mind you this is in Bogota. I spent a day or two there before going to Medelland for the majority of my trip. Long story short I lose the phone before I even make into the club. This traumatized me as I'm now stranded in a foreign place and I didn't even know my address. By the grace of God I made it home after contemplating the reality I would be sleeping outside my first night in Colombia. The relief that washed over me as my building came into view was unimaginable. For some unknown reason I took my frustration out on you guys hy not reporting back it was out of pocket and tbh I don't know why I did it.

To clear my conscious I will do my best to tell the stories I remember. I was there for a month so even 50% of my stories is is going to give us plenty of material for the forum. I go back to Medelland this Saturday so I got alot of old news to unpack in preparation for the new memories...[/QUOTE]Great read but how do you find girls to contact on FB? Is there a way to filter Medellin girls of a certain age to DM via FB?

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;2884933]I was just at New Life last week for the first time. Not sure why but the Uber driver drove us through the worst parts of Medellin. I would not walk through those areas during the day, much less at night. The session was ok. The room was super small and hot. Not sure if I would go back there though, but the prices were so low, so maybe jaja. Here are the latest prices and a photo of the waiting area.[/QUOTE]For comparison below are the price lists from 2023-12-08 (1 month ago) and from 2019-09-07. As you can see in 2019 they had 15 minutes option that was removed later LOL.

[QUOTE=Tudman;2884945]Guys, I know one of the spas will send photos of who is working at the moment. The others are a gamble, you can't meet the lineup. Any of you cats get a masseuse blindly and chose to leave?[/QUOTE]Not sure it's helpful, but I'll tell you my experience. If frequent OM more than any. Important to note: I go there knowing it's a crapshoot and my mindset is, at a minimum, I'll get a quality massage. Beyond that, it's all negotiable and up to chance. Honestly, I haven't had the best luck drawing the hottest ladies. But I've not walked out. I suppose the numbers are in our favor with multiple options in Rio Sur. But I'll tell you that my best times there were with a girl that I didn't find particularly attractive. She wasn't ugly by any stretch. Just not my type. But I went with it, thinking I'll get a really good massage and go somewhere else. (Nice problem to have, right?) She turned out to be a top 10 in BBBJ. So you just never know. My point in all of that: I recommend going into those places with lower expectations.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2884957]What is Parque Lleras like during the day in terms of looking for ladies? I will likely be staying somewhere close and I was curious what kind of working ladies I can expect to find during the day and what pricepoint I can expect. Also, still looking for recommendations on lodging. Finally locked my flights in place and I will be staying four nights. Checking in on a Friday night and checking out on a Tuesday. Any help / tips / recommendations are appreciated.[/QUOTE]During the day, Lleras is nearly a ghost town for working girls. You may find a few on Calle 10, but even that will be sparse. As a general rule, the later it is, the more options you'll have. I rarely go there before 9 or even 10 at night. Of course, the later you go, the more risk you have. But safe to say that you shouldn't count on Lleras as a hotbed during the day. The daytime options are casas or Centro unless you leverage facebook. I've heard many bad things about Mileroticos but I've had decent luck with it during the day.

[QUOTE=VsebudetNY;2885141]For comparison below are the price lists from 2023-12-08 (1 month ago) and from 2019-09-07. As you can see in 2019 they had 15 minutes option that was removed later LOL.[/QUOTE]Cool how everyone is saying what a ripoff. Price went up 10,000 for the 30 minutes, over 3 or 4 years. Wait. That's almost two dollars and fifty cents, or maybe it is depending on the exchange rate. And somehow the lineup of 30 girls are now all ugly instead of beautiful. And all those gringos spoiling it. Terrible.

Here's some suggestions. First, go by yourself. Chances are you'll be the only gringo in there. And don't go right at business lunch hour as all the locals are having a sandwich at their desk and heading for a quickie at lunchtime. So yes, sometimes there is less choice as maybe some of the more beautiful ones are upstairs already. Who knows.

But all I know is that there are almost always some in the line up that I find attractive. The place is reasonable in comparison to other similar casas and worth the couple of bucks more as there are generally better rooms, more and better selection, and a predictable pricing structure with no surprises. And if a girl keeps you in the room longer than you might have planned that is sometimes a great thing. Anyway. Still works for me. Been in lots of the others, and this is still a favorite place for me as there is always something there and a good time to be had. Most of the time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2884106]Colombians are also smarter that Filipinos. I like to tell the story about when I was at a resort in the Philippines. Me and my girl were in the pool and the worker came around to take dinner orders. I looked at the menu and did not fell like much so I asked for a grilled cheese. She said sorry sir, we do not have grilled cheese; we only have grilled ham and cheese.

Also, maybe he likes his women shaped like wooden planks. If that is the case then he will be in hog heaven.[/QUOTE]After much soul searching, I have decided to leave the passionate and beautiful girls of Medellin behind and cross the Pacific to seek the exotic tropical beauties of General Santos City. It sounds safe compared to Medellin, free of white tourists and full of girls who like white tourists.

Two years ago I was planning a trip there but it had to be cancelled due to COVID. I became penpals with a girl on Filipino Cupid. She was desperate to meet me. I think we agreed to $50 per day. We did video chat but I never met her. She was 20, no baby, spoke English and I think that in appearance and attitude she was equal to most Colombians. About intelligence, I'm not really interested in any deep conversations.

Of course I'll miss the drama of druggings, shootings and kidnappings which are the spice of life in Medellin. But I'll manage somehow.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2885194]After much soul searching, I have decided to leave the passionate and beautiful girls of Medellin behind and cross the Pacific to seek the exotic tropical beauties of General Santos City. It sounds safe compared to Medellin, free of white tourists and full of girls who like white tourists.

Two years ago I was planning a trip there but it had to be cancelled due to COVID. I became penpals with a girl on Filipino Cupid. She was desperate to meet me. I think we agreed to $50 per day. We did video chat but I never met her. She was 20, no baby, spoke English and I think that in appearance and attitude she was equal to most Colombians. About intelligence, I'm not really interested in any deep conversations.

Of course I'll miss the drama of druggings, shootings and kidnappings which are the spice of life in Medellin. But I'll manage somehow.[/QUOTE]I predict you will be disappointed looks-wise and if you are going to fly that far, go to Bangkok. Thailand was never colonized and that's why it's safer and has a more Eastern feel.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2885194]After much soul searching, I have decided to leave the passionate and beautiful girls of Medellin behind and cross the Pacific to seek the exotic tropical beauties of General Santos City. It sounds safe compared to Medellin, free of white tourists and full of girls who like white tourists.

Two years ago I was planning a trip there but it had to be cancelled due to COVID. I became penpals with a girl on Filipino Cupid. She was desperate to meet me. I think we agreed to $50 per day. We did video chat but I never met her. She was 20, no baby, spoke English and I think that in appearance and attitude she was equal to most Colombians. About intelligence, I'm not really interested in any deep conversations.

Of course I'll miss the drama of druggings, shootings and kidnappings which are the spice of life in Medellin. But I'll manage somehow.[/QUOTE]I predict you will be disappointed looks-wise and if you are going to fly that far, go to Bangkok. Thailand was never colonized and that's why it's safer and has a more Eastern feel.

Thanks for the info I appreciate it. Could you give me some recommendations regarding Centro as well as any casas / spas you recommend. I've been following this page quite a bit so I have some ideas but like the old adage goes, "the more you know". LOL.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2885145]During the day, Lleras is nearly a ghost town for working girls. You may find a few on Calle 10, but even that will be sparse. As a general rule, the later it is, the more options you'll have. I rarely go there before 9 or even 10 at night. Of course, the later you go, the more risk you have. But safe to say that you shouldn't count on Lleras as a hotbed during the day. The daytime options are casas or Centro unless you leverage facebook. I've heard many bad things about Mileroticos but I've had decent luck with it during the day.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2885194]I have decided to leave the passionate and beautiful girls of Medellin behind and cross the Pacific to seek the exotic tropical beauties of General Santos City. About intelligence, I'm not really interested in any deep conversations.[/QUOTE]I am not talking about deep conversations. I am talking about common sense things that are going to frustrate the shit out of you.

[QUOTE=Magma5108;2885111]Great read but how do you find girls to contact on FB? Is there a way to filter Medellin girls of a certain age to DM via FB?[/QUOTE]It's all over the board. I'm pretty sure if you search my post one of the more recent ones I answered this for someone.

Thinking about going to Medellin for the first time with a buddy. General plan is below. Does this seem reasonable? Am I missing anything? Thanks in advance.

Base camp:

- Stay at a nice hotel in Parque Lleras within the barricades that has 24/7 security.

- Make sure hotel is chica friendly (Hotel Europa looks good).

- Be sure to tip security, so they'll check with me before letting out any chicas who're visiting.

Nighttime activities to be limited:

- Parque Lleras: walk around the area close to the park (supposedly that's reasonably safe at night).

- Any other areas (Luna Lunera, Fase II, etc): take Uber to / from destination (no walking the streets).

Daytime activities:

Veracruz:

- Stay in the busy area with lots of bars and restaurants.

- I've watched several videos and seems fine during the day as long you dress plainly and use common sense.

- Leave by 5 pm.

Gym:

- Bodytech Vizcaya looks like a good option. It's close by Parque Lleras.

Payments:

- Have lots of smaller bills.

- Use Google Pay when possible.

Banking:

- Withdraw USD and take to Medellin.

- Freeze accounts in the US while in Colombia.

- Either use hotel safe OR open a bank account at a local bank.

Not so common sense:

- Don't do stupid shit like going to a stranger's house for drinks, getting in a random car, or flashing large amounts of cash on the street.

- All citas either at a brothel / strip club or back at my hotel where there's 24/7 security.

Prime objective:

- Last but not least bang dozens of hot Colombian working girls!

Here's a recent video about how to setup a trip in Medellin. I'm sure that many of you already know everything in the video. However, I found it useful.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0v2E6i9tSo[/URL]

I have much more experience in the other Centro casas than I do in New Life. I've been in New Life maybe twice since well before the pandemic. What you are describing is a big change from what I remember, especially about being the only gringo. I have a hard time with that idea no matter what time of day you go. It just doesn't seem real to me but again, I have next to no recent experience. I rate the rooms at Zandaly and Amigas Sexxy as good or better than what I remember from New Life. Aiffe probably has the worst rooms of the Centro casas overall, not to mention the worst lineup. If I'm honest, the sessions I've had at New Life were as good as any others in Centro. My problem with the place is the waiting area atmosphere. As I wrote recently, it feels like a bad combination of a frat party, an inner city urgent care waiting room, and a used car auction.

That now gone 15 minute option was the way to go for those in the know. Unless you are going for two pops there were not other good reasons to be in the room beyond that cutoff. As you mentioned, the place was and maybe still is popular with locals for lunch time quickies. It seems the management figured out they were leaving money on the table by allowing locals and cheapskate Centro rats like me to nut & run in 15 minutes for pocket change.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2885192]Cool how everyone is saying what a ripoff. Price went up 10,000 for the 30 minutes, over 3 or 4 years. Wait. That's almost two dollars and fifty cents, or maybe it is depending on the exchange rate. And somehow the lineup of 30 girls are now all ugly instead of beautiful. And all those gringos spoiling it. Terrible.

Here's some suggestions. First, go by yourself. Chances are you'll be the only gringo in there. And don't go right at business lunch hour as all the locals are having a sandwich at their desk and heading for a quickie at lunchtime. So yes, sometimes there is less choice as maybe some of the more beautiful ones are upstairs already. Who knows.

But all I know is that there are almost always some in the line up that I find attractive. The place is reasonable in comparison to other similar casas and worth the couple of bucks more as there are generally better rooms, more and better selection, and a predictable pricing structure with no surprises. And if a girl keeps you in the room longer than you might have planned that is sometimes a great thing. Anyway. Still works for me. Been in lots of the others, and this is still a favorite place for me as there is always something there and a good time to be had. Most of the time.[/QUOTE]

Going there from 18-25 Jan. Please PM / respond if anyone will be there at that time.

"After much soul searching, I have decided to leave the passionate and beautiful girls of Medellin behind and cross the Pacific to seek the exotic tropical beauties of General Santos City. It sounds safe compared to Medellin, free of white tourists and full of girls who like white tourists.

Two years ago I was planning a trip there but it had to be cancelled due to COVID. I became penpals with a girl on Filipino Cupid. She was desperate to meet me. I think we agreed to $50 per day. We did video chat but I never met her. She was 20, no baby, spoke English and I think that in appearance and attitude she was equal to most Colombians. About intelligence, I'm not really interested in any deep conversations.

Of course I'll miss the drama of drugging, shootings and kidnappings which are the spice of life in Medellin. But I'll manage somehow."

[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-embassy-warns-americans-not-use-dating-apps-colombia-after-eight-suspicious-deaths[/URL]

Tropical beauties in GenSan LOLOLOL best wishes.

That place is a terrible place to look for pussy!

BTW I hope you speak Cebuano? Lololol.

Understanding that risky behavior's is a personal choice. The spate of recent robberies, kidnappings and murders seems to be without much parallel in recent times.

In the past few years I have known more than a couple of hundred chicas from fb, Park lleras, WYP, SA, Bumble, clubs and various other online and in-person ways. At any given time I am in touch with at least twenty or thirty, the toast of the season or the trip in this case. It has become Russian roulette imagining who among the ones I know or invite to my place or to a club will sell my information and location or set me up for haircut or something even worse. Would it be the Andrea that occasionally likes 2 c and comes from Manrique, I have known Andrea for the past 4 years and has travelled with me to Santa Marta. Would it be the newbie chica I met yesterday and comes from a pueblo and recently moved to the city and not as exposed to gringo culture. What feature in someone's background should alert me?

Should I go back to staying only in hotels? Is it okay to just have a copy of cedula? What about if she recently lost it and only has a pic? Should I only use short term motels for first encounters? Should I have a cellphone jammer so a chica cannot communicate with her accomplices while in my apartment? Perhaps I should always stay only in building with porters and doormen? That restricts me to Laureles and useless Poblado. Medellin's drama for a dedicated monger is never ending.

[URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/security-alert-risks-of-using-online-dating-applications/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Magma5108;2885111]Great read but how do you find girls to contact on FB? Is there a way to filter Medellin girls of a certain age to DM via FB?[/QUOTE]RTFF the thread. This has been answered countless times.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2885293]It seems the management figured out they were leaving money on the table by allowing locals and cheapskate Centro rats like me to nut & run in 15 minutes for pocket change.[/QUOTE]Lmao jajajaja "nut & run" that is fucking awesome. Just grab a Chica from the Veracruz area and head to Botero Real and you're getting 30 mins for your 'nut and run' for $49 k COP all expenses included, even towel, soap bar, and a toilet paper roll.

[QUOTE=Magma5108;2885111]Great read but how do you find girls to contact on FB? Is there a way to filter Medellin girls of a certain age to DM via FB?[/QUOTE]Read this post.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2875212]Find her on Facebook. ..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TjFan1111;2885281]Thinking about going to Medellin for the first time with a buddy. General plan is below. Does this seem reasonable? Am I missing anything? Thanks in advance.

Base camp:

- Stay at a nice hotel in Parque Lleras within the barricades that has 24/7 security.

- Make sure hotel is chica friendly (Hotel Europa looks good).

[/QUOTE]I don't know for sure as I do not go to parque lleras (or poblado for that matter) but I saw a video a few days ago where the new mayor Fico Gutierrez was saying that they removed (or will soon be removing) the barricades in parque lleras as well.

Let me see if I can find the video again. I believe it was a clip on YouTube.

I found it:

[URL]https://youtu.be/x_e0YyTOwPU?si=fB5Pjlfmn_wg0RyB[/URL]

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2885326]Understanding that risky behavior's is a personal choice. The spate of recent robberies, kidnappings and murders seems to be without much parallel in recent times.

In the past few years I have known more than a couple of hundred chicas from fb, Park lleras, WYP, SA, Bumble, clubs and various other online and in-person ways. At any given time I am in touch with at least twenty or thirty, the toast of the season or the trip in this case. It has become Russian roulette imagining who among the ones I know or invite to my place or to a club will sell my information and location or set me up for haircut or something even worse. Would it be the Andrea that occasionally likes 2 c and comes from Manrique, I have known Andrea for the past 4 years and has travelled with me to Santa Marta. Would it be the newbie chica I met yesterday and comes from a pueblo and recently moved to the city and not as exposed to gringo culture. What feature in someone's background should alert me?

Should I go back to staying only in hotels? Is it okay to just have a copy of cedula? What about if she recently lost it and only has a pic? Should I only use short term motels for first encounters? Should I have a cellphone jammer so a chica cannot communicate with her accomplices while in my apartment? Perhaps I should always stay only in building with porters and doormen? That restricts me to Laureles and useless Poblado. Medellin's drama for a dedicated monger is never ending.

[URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/security-alert-risks-of-using-online-dating-applications/[/URL][/QUOTE]There is only one way to live and one rule to follow in your situation: WWRD, What Would Rambo Do if he were a sex tourist. How would he deal with bringing hookers over from tinder and FL from the street. We know the girls that are regulars are killing people now. How would Rambo handle all these situations are how you should.

[URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/security-alert-risks-of-using-online-dating-applications/[/URL]

USA Embassy Bogota is aware of eight suspicious deaths of private USA Citizens in Medellin between November 1 and December 31,2023. The deaths appear to involve either involuntary drugging overdose or are suspected homicides. At this time, it is not believed these deaths are linked as each involved distinct circumstances, however several of the deaths point to possible drugging, robbery, and overdose, and several involve the use of online dating applications.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2885293]I have much more experience in the other Centro casas than I do in New Life. I've been in New Life maybe twice since well before the pandemic. What you are describing is a big change from what I remember, especially about being the only gringo. I have a hard time with that idea no matter what time of day you go. It just doesn't seem real to me but again, I have next to no recent experience. I rate the rooms at Zandaly and Amigas Sexxy as good or better than what I remember from New Life. Aiffe probably has the worst rooms of the Centro casas overall, not to mention the worst lineup. If I'm honest, the sessions I've had at New Life were as good as any others in Centro. My problem with the place is the waiting area atmosphere. As I wrote recently, it feels like a bad combination of a frat party, an inner city urgent care waiting room, and a used car auction.

That now gone 15 minute option was the way to go for those in the know. Unless you are going for two pops there were not other good reasons to be in the room beyond that cutoff. As you mentioned, the place was and maybe still is popular with locals for lunch time quickies. It seems the management figured out they were leaving money on the table by allowing locals and cheapskate Centro rats like me to nut & run in 15 minutes for pocket change.[/QUOTE]I have been there more times when there were no gringos than when there were. Maybe the time of day, not sure. But anyway, the vast vast majority of their business is locals. I've been there at 11:30 in the morning when there have been over 20 chicas, and by 12:15 or so most of them are in the rooms with customers. Locals. In any case, I think that there pricing has nothing to do with gringos, and everything to do with the local supply / demand and their competition, most of which are much smaller and have fewer chicas, but are sometimes cheaper, and some of the places are nice enough. The place that used to be my favorite didn't get through covid times, but it was smaller, but usually had at least one chica that would be appealing enough.

My long lost favorite was Paradise on calle 54 near the corner of carrera 41. Maybe that's the one you mean. They re-opened for something like two weeks toward the end of the pandemic before they shut down for good. That place was a reliable Centro gem. Another defunct star is Divini women. Two of the mamasan's daughters worked there (they both used to rotate between Aiffe and Amigas Sexxy before the started up Divini). It is still the only place I remember in Medellin that had buy 10 and get one free punch cards like an old school car wash. Five years later I'm still miffed I had to leave town before I could redeem my loyalty card and they were gone by the time I got back.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2885373]I have been there more times when there were no gringos than when there were. Maybe the time of day, not sure. But anyway, the vast vast majority of their business is locals. I've been there at 11:30 in the morning when there have been over 20 chicas, and by 12:15 or so most of them are in the rooms with customers. Locals. In any case, I think that there pricing has nothing to do with gringos, and everything to do with the local supply / demand and their competition, most of which are much smaller and have fewer chicas, but are sometimes cheaper, and some of the places are nice enough. The place that used to be my favorite didn't get through covid times, but it was smaller, but usually had at least one chica that would be appealing enough.[/QUOTE]

There have been slightly different versions of this same warning on the State Department travel advisory section for Colombia going all the way back to the 1990's. That doesn't make it untrue.

[QUOTE=Novio;2885368][URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/security-alert-risks-of-using-online-dating-applications/[/URL]

USA Embassy Bogota is aware of eight suspicious deaths of private USA Citizens in Medellin between November 1 and December 31,2023. The deaths appear to involve either involuntary drugging overdose or are suspected homicides. At this time, it is not believed these deaths are linked as each involved distinct circumstances, however several of the deaths point to possible drugging, robbery, and overdose, and several involve the use of online dating applications.[/QUOTE]

There are buildings with doormen in every barrio of Medellin. You would be in no way restricted to gringo neighborhoods if you were to adopt that policy. My opinion is it does enhance safety.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2885326]Understanding that risky behavior's is a personal choice. The spate of recent robberies, kidnappings and murders seems to be without much parallel in recent times.

In the past few years I have known more than a couple of hundred chicas from fb, Park lleras, WYP, SA, Bumble, clubs and various other online and in-person ways. At any given time I am in touch with at least twenty or thirty, the toast of the season or the trip in this case. It has become Russian roulette imagining who among the ones I know or invite to my place or to a club will sell my information and location or set me up for haircut or something even worse. Would it be the Andrea that occasionally likes 2 c and comes from Manrique, I have known Andrea for the past 4 years and has travelled with me to Santa Marta. Would it be the newbie chica I met yesterday and comes from a pueblo and recently moved to the city and not as exposed to gringo culture. What feature in someone's background should alert me?

Should I go back to staying only in hotels? Is it okay to just have a copy of cedula? What about if she recently lost it and only has a pic? Should I only use short term motels for first encounters? Should I have a cellphone jammer so a chica cannot communicate with her accomplices while in my apartment? Perhaps I should always stay only in building with porters and doormen? That restricts me to Laureles and useless Poblado. Medellin's drama for a dedicated monger is never ending.

[URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/security-alert-risks-of-using-online-dating-applications/[/URL][/QUOTE]

I didn't watch the youtube video. I see no problems with the plan you worked out. You are likely aware of the additional tips of being vigilant about your drinks and food and securing and / or hiding your valuables.

[QUOTE=TjFan1111;2885281]Thinking about going to Medellin for the first time with a buddy. General plan is below. Does this seem reasonable? Am I missing anything? Thanks in advance.

Base camp:

- Stay at a nice hotel in Parque Lleras within the barricades that has 24/7 security.

- Make sure hotel is chica friendly (Hotel Europa looks good).[/QUOTE]

Best thing about the New Life is their system -- go in, spend however long you want, then pay afterwards, don't have to decide the time and pay at the beginning like most casas.

You can extend at other casas. You don't pay up front anyway. The reasons the management asks how much time you want is so they can let other punters know how long they have to wait in case you are with a girl they came to see when they arrive. Of course it's first come first serve. New Life does it a bit differently because, as has been discussed today, they tend to have more girls in their lineup than the other places in Centro. When in doubt, just let the management know you may choose to extend.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2885402]Best thing about the New Life is their system -- go in, spend however long you want, then pay afterwards, don't have to decide the time and pay at the beginning like most casas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2885402]Best thing about the New Life is their system -- go in, spend however long you want, then pay afterwards, don't have to decide the time and pay at the beginning like most casas.[/QUOTE]I'm not much of a casa guy but that does sound like a good system. Maybe I'll go check it out one of these days.

[URL]https://www-businessinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.businessinsider.com/drunk-passenger-grabbed-flight-attendant-mile-high-club-spirit-airlines-2024-1?amp=&amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID[/URL]#amp_tf=From%20%251%24's&aoh=17050105952736&csi=0&referrer=https%3 A%2 F%2 F [URL]www.google.com[/URL]&ampshare=https%3 A%2 F%2 F[URL]www.businessinsider.com[/URL]%2 Fdrunk-passenger-grabbed-flight-attendant-mile-high-club-spirit-airlines-2024-1.

Had he made it to MDE he would probably be in the morgue by now.

Any recent reviews to share of Energy in Laureles?

What happened?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2885436][URL]https://www-businessinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.businessinsider.com/drunk-passenger-grabbed-flight-attendant-mile-high-club-spirit-airlines-2024-1?amp=&amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID[/URL]#amp_tf=From%20%251%24's&aoh=17050105952736&csi=0&referrer=https%3 A%2 F%2 F [URL]www.google.com[/URL]&ampshare=https%3 A%2 F%2 F[URL]www.businessinsider.com[/URL]%2 Fdrunk-passenger-grabbed-flight-attendant-mile-high-club-spirit-airlines-2024-1.

Had he made it to MDE he would probably be in the morgue by now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Novio;2885368][URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/security-alert-risks-of-using-online-dating-applications/[/URL]

USA Embassy Bogota is aware of eight suspicious deaths of private USA Citizens in Medellin between November 1 and December 31,2023. The deaths appear to involve either involuntary drugging overdose or are suspected homicides. At this time, it is not believed these deaths are linked as each involved distinct circumstances, however several of the deaths point to possible drugging, robbery, and overdose, and several involve the use of online dating applications.[/QUOTE]As more foreign men (passport bros) travel to Medellin, we should expect to see an increase in crimes against foreigners as well. Chica Check is offering 48 hours of free VIP access if you use the code 999101845 during sign up.

Seriously, given the sophistication of these crime rings, it feels like I need to continuously increase my situational awareness to stay out of danger.

[QUOTE=SherlockBones;2885580]As more foreign men (passport bros) travel to Medellin, we should expect to see an increase in crimes against foreigners as well.

Seriously, given the sophistication of these crime rings, it feels like I need to continuously increase my situational awareness to stay out of danger.[/QUOTE]For the average man of the western world, dating and marriage are becoming unthinkable in his own country. I read stats of 2023 that 40% men from 18 to 30 have completely stopped seeking women for sex in the west. Not marriage but sex.

As long as we are calling each other names and sharing marketing promotions, do you have a line on discount Trojan Magnum condoms and Astro Glide lube? I can't seem to live without US brands.

[QUOTE=SherlockBones;2885580]As more foreign men (passport bros) travel to Medellin, we should expect to see an increase in crimes against foreigners as well. Chica Check is offering 48 hours of free VIP access if you use the code 999101845 during sign up.

Seriously, given the sophistication of these crime rings, it feels like I need to continuously increase my situational awareness to stay out of danger.[/QUOTE]

Any thoughts for or against the Hashtag 98 hotel? Not sure if they allow ladies to visit for free or what they charge. Rooms look decent. I wouldn't mind finding a place that has a suite like setup (fridge, couch, etc.) for a decent price. Any recommendations?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2885388]I didn't watch the youtube video. I see no problems with the plan you worked out. You are likely aware of the additional tips of being vigilant about your drinks and food and securing and / or hiding your valuables.[/QUOTE]Don't use US dollars. If you bring them with you it's easy to get them changed to pesos and will save you money in most cases.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2885385]My long lost favorite was Paradise on calle 54 near the corner of carrera 41. Maybe that's the one you mean. They re-opened for something like two weeks toward the end of the pandemic before they shut down for good. That place was a reliable Centro gem. Another defunct star is Divini women. Two of the mamasan's daughters worked there (they both used to rotate between Aiffe and Amigas Sexxy before the started up Divini). It is still the only place I remember in Medellin that had buy 10 and get one free punch cards like an old school car wash. Five years later I'm still miffed I had to leave town before I could redeem my loyalty card and they were gone by the time I got back.[/QUOTE]Paradise it was. Also had another name at some point, but it was my fav.

[QUOTE=SherlockBones;2885580]As more foreign men (passport bros) travel to Medellin, we should expect to see an increase in crimes against foreigners as well. Chica Check is offering 48 hours of free VIP access if you use the code 999101845 during sign up.

Seriously, given the sophistication of these crime rings, it feels like I need to continuously increase my situational awareness to stay out of danger.[/QUOTE]The problem is dating is maximum effort minimum reward. Prostitution is minimum effort maximum reward. As more guys travel and monger, marriage and dating will be obsolete. I've been with around 200 women. The amount of work I would have had to put in to close that many deals would have been insane, and I still wouldn't have accomplished 200 women.

[QUOTE=Zenduka1;2885629]For the average man of the western world, dating and marriage are becoming unthinkable in his own country. I read stats of 2023 that 40% men from 18 to 30 have completely stopped seeking women for sex in the west. Not marriage but sex.[/QUOTE]Amen to that. This is why some people are getting rich on onlyfans. It's safe and convenient. And then there is sex tourism.

I think this is something like what unions did to US industry. Workers kept demanding more and more, which is fine you can demand whatever you want, but then one day the factory moves to China or Mexico.

I predict that fastest growing companies of the next decade will be those manufacturing cat food. Cats are the only hope for lonely women everywhere.

But the vas majority of buildings with doormen are probably located in the barrios I mentioned. It does enhance safety I agree but I have lately ventured in to la América, BA and Belen type barrios and mostly independent homes or buildings. I would have to go back and specifically look for doorman or budling security before renting now.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2885387]There are buildings with doormen in every barrio of Medellin. You would be in no way restricted to gringo neighborhoods if you were to adopt that policy. My opinion is it does enhance safety.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2885388]I didn't watch the youtube video. I see no problems with the plan you worked out. You are likely aware of the additional tips of being vigilant about your drinks and food and securing and / or hiding your valuables.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback. Very much aware of being vigilant against getting drugged. Don't plan on bringing anything valuable like laptops or a new phone.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2885659]Don't use US dollars. If you bring them with you it's easy to get them changed to pesos and will save you money in most cases.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip. I'll change my USD into Colombian pesos. Will get a large number of medium to small bills, so I won't be dropping large notes when paying for stuff out in public.

I think it's good you are experiencing more of the city. I agree you should look for buildings with a doorman and all other amenities you want or need. I personally won't live in a building without a doorman. As you discover more of the city it will be come clear that the vast majority of buildings (including those with doormen) are definitely not in the two neighborhoods you mentioned. Medellin is more diverse than it appears through the lens of areas most familiar to gringos.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2885733]But the vas majority of buildings with doormen are probably located in the barrios I mentioned. It does enhance safety I agree but I have lately ventured in to la Amrica, BA and Belen type barrios and mostly independent homes or buildings. I would have to go back and specifically look for doorman or budling security before renting now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TjFan1111;2885791]Thanks for the feedback. Very much aware of being vigilant against getting drugged. Don't plan on bringing anything valuable like laptops or a new phone.

Thanks for the tip. I'll change my USD into Colombian pesos. Will get a large number of medium to small bills, so I won't be dropping large notes when paying for stuff out in public.[/QUOTE]My suggestion is to open a Morgan Stanley or Charles Schwab account with an ATM card. Both banks reimburse ATM fees.

[QUOTE=Zenduka1;2885629]For the average man of the western world, dating and marriage are becoming unthinkable in his own country. I read stats of 2023 that 40% men from 18 to 30 have completely stopped seeking women for sex in the west. Not marriage but sex.[/QUOTE]For me it's more like, if you save up the money and don't need to work or at least can work from home, why stay in the US? So many beautiful places in the world that aren't dealing with wokeism and for half the cost. Go for the girls, sure, but stay for everything else. Cheap travel, services, food, housing. Although I still want to end up living in the US later, right now it just doesn't make sense.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2885700]The problem is dating is maximum effort minimum reward. Prostitution is minimum effort maximum reward. As more guys travel and monger, marriage and dating will be obsolete. I've been with around 200 women. The amount of work I would have had to put in to close that many deals would have been insane, and I still wouldn't have accomplished 200 women.[/QUOTE]I don't know many people who get married just to have sex. If you get married, you're wanting companionship and a familiy for life.

Just went to new life around noon.

At least 15 in the lineup. Highest rated I'the say 6. 5-7 but definitely enough good looking girls to get the job done. 70 mil 30 minutes. Can't beat that. Chose Celeste great service. No extras for me but offered 50 mil for oral natural. Bunch of loud as hell black Americans just hanging out in the lobby like their at a sports bar.

I see some prices quoted as "mil" on here and I am not sure how to translate that. Obviously it's not 50 mil COP. What does that abbreviation translate to in comparison of say 100,000 COP?

[QUOTE=Fedor420;2885911]Just went to new life around noon.

At least 15 in the lineup. Highest rated I'the say 6. 5-7 but definitely enough good looking girls to get the job done. 70 mil 30 minutes. Can't beat that. Chose Celeste great service. No extras for me but offered 50 mil for oral natural. Bunch of loud as hell black Americans just hanging out in the lobby like their at a sports bar.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2885326]Understanding that risky behavior's is a personal choice. The spate of recent robberies, kidnappings and murders seems to be without much parallel in recent times.
[/QUOTE]I am getting a bad feeling about Colombia. It's too much stress. I don"t need that on vacation. I was there for two weeks in November, it was fine, I marked it off the bucket list however I think Philippines is the new Colombia. I've booked a really nice airbnb for August.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2885700]The problem is dating is maximum effort minimum reward. Prostitution is minimum effort maximum reward. As more guys travel and monger, marriage and dating will be obsolete. I've been with around 200 women. The amount of work I would have had to put in to close that many deals would have been insane, and I still wouldn't have accomplished 200 women.[/QUOTE]What maximum effort? All you have to do is be yourself. You must be really young. I had been with 200 free women by the time I had left college. I did not start mongering until 7 years after that.

[QUOTE=Fedor420;2885911]Just went to new life around noon. Bunch of loud as hell black Americans just hanging out in the lobby like their at a sports bar.[/QUOTE]I sure hope they knew they're from their while they were over there.

New Life is Centro's own Gringo Gulch bubble. The 50 K upsell pitch is proof positive. 30 K is the prevailing rate around Centro but no hate for the girls charging what the gringo market will bear.

[QUOTE=Fedor420;2885911]Just went to new life around noon.

At least 15 in the lineup. Highest rated I'the say 6. 5-7 but definitely enough good looking girls to get the job done. 70 mil 30 minutes. Can't beat that. Chose Celeste great service. No extras for me but offered 50 mil for oral natural. Bunch of loud as hell black Americans just hanging out in the lobby like their at a sports bar.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2885991]I think Philippines is the new Colombia[/QUOTE]If you like scrawny, buck toothed, chinless women and endless humidity, it will be perfect for you.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2885991]I am getting a bad feeling about Colombia. It's too much stress. I don"t need that on vacation. I was there for two weeks in November, it was fine, I marked it off the bucket list however I think Philippines is the new Colombia. I've booked a really nice airbnb for August.[/QUOTE]But Phillipines has bad food, bad water, bad internet and bad cellular service so it's safer there but has some disavantage too.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2885981]I see some prices quoted as "mil" on here and I am not sure how to translate that. Obviously it's not 50 mil COP. What does that abbreviation translate to in comparison of say 100,000 COP?[/QUOTE]For some reason guys like to mix in Spanish words (mil, chica, mas taxi) in their English reports. Mil is Spanish for thousand.

[QUOTE=Caboteur;2886097]But Phillipines has bad food, bad water, bad internet and bad cellular service so it's safer there but has some disavantage too.[/QUOTE]The Philippines isn't necessarily safer than Colombia. I just watched this movie called Plane about an airplane that crash landed in the southern Philippines on some island called Jolo and the passengers were taken hostage by an armed militia group. I then went to Wikipedia to see if this Jolo Island is a real place or if the movie just made it up and according to Wikipedia it is a real place and it is controlled by armed Islamic Separatist and even the Philippine military doesn't go to that island.

So Texas Pete, whatever you do while in the Philippines do not go to Jolo Island LOL. And you might want to do some research and see where all these Islamic separatist groups operate within the Philippines before you go off to any random pueblos or islands.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2885981]I see some prices quoted as "mil" on here and I am not sure how to translate that. Obviously it's not 50 mil COP. What does that abbreviation translate to in comparison of say 100,000 COP?[/QUOTE]50 mil pesos is exactly what it is.

You can see from this picture I just took for you that the money literally says 50 mil pesos on it. It's the 2nd highest bill in the COP currency and used to be worth about $10 usd and it is currently worth $12.50 usd.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2886091]If you like scrawny, buck toothed, chinless women and endless humidity, it will be perfect for you.[/QUOTE]Yeah, like New Orleans in July. Uggga Muggga.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2886091]If you like scrawny, buck toothed, chinless women and endless humidity, it will be perfect for you.[/QUOTE]If Philippines is the new Colombia then Detroit is the new Miami. LOL. I tripped over better looking women in Colombia.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2885900]For me it's more like, if you save up the money and don't need to work or at least can work from home, why stay in the US? .....[/QUOTE]This is true but when you reach a certain age there are factors that make it difficult for you to leave not the least of which are infirm parents such that when you are abroad you feel guilty.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2886185]This is true but when you reach a certain age there are factors that make it difficult for you to leave not the least of which are infirm parents such that when you are abroad you feel guilty.[/QUOTE]Inform your parents LOL?? Most the members here on ISG are in their 60's and the parents are most likely deceased. There's a few of us in our 30's 40's or 50's but the vast majority of the guys who post on here are Social Security age LOL.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2885991]I was there for two weeks in November, it was fine, I marked it off the bucket list however I think Philippines is the new Colombia. I've booked a really nice airbnb for August.[/QUOTE]Sorry I had to say something, the Philippines is hardly the new Colombia. People have been mongering there for decades, if anything Colombia is the new SE Asia. SE Asia was the first and foremost place for people to pay for sex, esp Thailand & Philippines, and arguably way past its prime (which is what Medellin will probably be in another 2 or 3 years at most). Anyways in regards to the current debate of Colombia vs Phils, it's much cheaper and more convenient to monger in Medellin. I've been to both cities many times in the past few years. It's pretty rare to have sex with a girl in Manila for 100,000 colombian pesos. You're looking at 3500 PHP barfine and another 4500 PHP, plus probably more for lady drinks so around 150 USD. Sure you can probably find a girl on Pinalove for less, but good luck weeding through the scams and ladyboys and actually getting the girl to come over on time. Anyways just go pop in the Manila forum and you'll see. The girls are hotter in Colombia IMHO, but to be fair the girls are more GFE in Manila and they speak english. Also Medellin is a much nicer city in general (cleaner, more beautiful, better weather, less traffic, better nightlife) than Manila, even if it is slightly more "dangerous".

Quick side note: Ordered a girl off of mileroticos for domicilios, she's cute, nice although found out she was a vennie, great BBBJ and beso negro, but during sex she had the worst yeast infection. Good thing I was wearing a rubber, but a few minutes into missionary there was cottage cheese everywhere. You could tell she was embarrassed and even stopped in the middle to go shower again and change condoms. Anyways switched to doggie after the halftime cleanup and it was a bit better and I tried to finish sooner than usual. So what would you guys do in that situation? Chalk it up to the game? Or ask for some kind of discount? It's a shame because she was cute and had great service, but she also had a crazy scar on the outside of her left leg from ankle to hip, probably a moto accident or something. If you want to find her on mileroticos just seach for sara in medellin and she's the only ad that says she's 18 years old and with the photo of a pink tail plug. In retrospect I should have only done anal with her and skipped the vag to avoid the yeast situation but 20 20 hindsight and all.

Every place has its pluses and minuses. If we are talking about 15 to 30 days per year for visits, my opinion is it is worth considering the entire day of your life you must sacrifice for round trip travel from Europe or North America to Asia, and that is on top of the 1 to 3 days that it takes to be 100% because of the jet lag. I don't personally feel that is worthwhile unless I'm going to be there for months at a time. This is only a personal preference.

[QUOTE=Caboteur;2886097]But Phillipines has bad food, bad water, bad internet and bad cellular service so it's safer there but has some disavantage too.[/QUOTE]

I am traveling in late March and I'd like to lock in my lodging. I am looking at a few places and I am trying to decide the pro's and con's of staying close to Parque Lleras or not. Not looking to hit the bars or clubs etc. Strictly going down to enjoy as many ladies as possible and want to maximize my time doing so. Knowing that, do you all think it's worth staying close to Parque Lleras? With the low cost of uber I don't feel like I need to be in walking distance of anything in particular. I plan on splitting my time between casas, massage parlors, and places like New Life and Jade Palace.

In terms of what I am looking for in my lodging, I am looking for a place that has no fee or a low fee for visitors so I can bring some back to my place. I'd also like a place that has a suite type setup since I will be there for several days and want that apartment kind of feel. I'm looking to keep it in $150 or less per night range but I am willing to go a tad higher.

Thanks in advance for all the tips / recommendations. Stay safe out there!

[QUOTE=Stl24;2885981]I see some prices quoted as "mil" on here and I am not sure how to translate that. Obviously it's not 50 mil COP. What does that abbreviation translate to in comparison of say 100,000 COP?[/QUOTE]There's nothing in Colombia you can buy for 50 pesos. 50 mil pesos will get you a nice dinner though. Mil is simply "thousand" and un millóand is "one million". 50,000 pesos is 50 mil.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2886091]If you like scrawny, buck toothed, chinless women and endless humidity, it will be perfect for you.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to write much more about this here because it maybe more appropriate for the Philippines forum after my trip.

I have had several online "relationships" including video chats with filipinas who, according to my taste, were 100% as hot as anyone I saw in Medellin. I'm not worried about that. They may however be more shy and less wild in bed. That may be a minus. I"ll have investigate in person.

The climate sounds terrible. I'm going to aim for very good air conditioning.

However in terms of crime the possibilty of anything worse than pickpocketing seems to be almost nil. That sounds good considering the deteriorating situation in Medellin. I think that tips the scales for me.

I am traveling in late March and I'd like to lock in my lodging. I am looking at a few places and I am trying to decide the pro's and con's of staying close to Parque Lleras or not. Not looking to hit the bars or clubs etc. Strictly going down to enjoy as many ladies as possible and want to maximize my time doing so. Knowing that, do you all think it's worth staying close to Parque Lleras? With the low cost of uber I don't feel like I need to be in walking distance of anything in particular. I plan on splitting my time between casas, massage parlors, and places like New Life and Jade Palace.

In terms of what I am looking for in my lodging, I am looking for a place that has no fee or a low fee for visitors so I can bring some back to my place. I'd also like a place that has a suite type setup since I will be there for several days and want that apartment kind of feel. I'm looking to keep it in $150 or less per night range but I am willing to go a tad higher.

Thanks in advance for all the tips / recommendations. Stay safe out there!

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2886222]I'm not going to write much more about this here because it maybe more appropriate for the Philippines forum after my trip.

I have had several online "relationships" including video chats with filipinas who, according to my taste, were 100% as hot as anyone I saw in Medellin. I'm not worried about that. They may however be more shy and less wild in bed. That may be a minus. I"ll have investigate in person.

The climate sounds terrible. I'm going to aim for very good air conditioning.

However in terms of crime the possibilty of anything worse than pickpocketing seems to be almost nil. That sounds good considering the deteriorating situation in Medellin. I think that tips the scales for me.[/QUOTE]"Deteriorating situation in Medellin".

You my friend, Texas Pete, are delusional. Medellin isn't any more or any less dangerous than it has been since before the pandemic. It was actually much more dangerous in the 1990's than anything being experienced here today.

Like I said before you can't just come here for a few days (or even two weeks) and visit a few Casas and then proclaim yourself to be a Medellin expert.

Quite frankly you do not have the experience here in Colombia to even know anything about Medellin. You need to come atleast 10 trips to get a feel for the area. I've been here on and off for years and before that I was in Mexico for a number of years. So I know more about the cultura & LOS costumbres here in Latin America. And from what I have seen here, Medellin is not anymore dangerous than Tijuana or Mexico City.

The Scopolamine or benzos might be more of a Medellin thing but you can easily avoid being drugged by taking simple precautions to mitigate your risks. Anyways sorry you didn't like my city or even really give it a chance, maybe you will find better luck in the Philippines.

Magandang Gabi,

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2885981]I see some prices quoted as "mil" on here and I am not sure how to translate that. Obviously it's not 50 mil COP. What does that abbreviation translate to in comparison of say 100,000 COP?[/QUOTE]It is 50 mil COP. 100,000 is 100 mil.

"But Phillipines has bad food, bad water, bad internet and bad cellular service so it's safer there but has some disavantage too. ".

Are you implying Colombia has better food, better water, better internet and better cellular?

I would strongly disagree on every point.

I starved and lost 25 pounds my last trip to Colombia in summer / autumn 2023, I just rather not eat that slop they call food!!

I gain weight when in PI, just walk 2 blocks to SM Clark / food court in AC and there are at least 100 restaurants with anything you could possibly want.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2886091]If you like scrawny, buck toothed, chinless women and endless humidity, it will be perfect for you.[/QUOTE]Don't forget Tittyless and Assless too LOL.

[URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/security-alert-risks-of-using-online-dating-applications/[/URL]

This was the lead story on the local news this evening. The headline flashed back and forth from Citas Que Matan to Alerta de Estados Unidos. It was several minutes long with video as you can imagine.

"[URL]https://co.usembassy.gov/security-alert-risks-of-using-online-dating-applications/[/URL].

This was the lead story on the local news this evening. The headline flashed back and forth from Citas Que Matan to Alerta de Estados Unidos. It was several minutes long with video as you can imagine. ".

The last thing anyone should want is this to be shown to the wider news audience.

Any criminals that don't already know about it, will be jumping on the bandwagon.

AS MONKEYS SEE MONKEYS DO!!

Update.

I think I've narrowed my list down to the following:

Blues Suites.

Hashtag 98.

The Sonos Bold.

Hotel Dix.

Any thoughts? Or others I should consider?

[QUOTE=Stl24;2886223]I am traveling in late March and I'd like to lock in my lodging. I am looking at a few places and I am trying to decide the pro's and con's of staying close to Parque Lleras or not. Not looking to hit the bars or clubs etc. Strictly going down to enjoy as many ladies as possible and want to maximize my time doing so. Knowing that, do you all think it's worth staying close to Parque Lleras? With the low cost of uber I don't feel like I need to be in walking distance of anything in particular. I plan on splitting my time between casas, massage parlors, and places like New Life and Jade Palace.

In terms of what I am looking for in my lodging, I am looking for a place that has no fee or a low fee for visitors so I can bring some back to my place. I'd also like a place that has a suite type setup since I will be there for several days and want that apartment kind of feel. I'm looking to keep it in $150 or less per night range but I am willing to go a tad higher.

Thanks in advance for all the tips / recommendations. Stay safe out there![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2885194]After much soul searching, I have decided to leave the passionate and beautiful girls of Medellin behind and cross the Pacific to seek the exotic tropical beauties of General Santos City. It sounds safe compared to Medellin, free of white tourists and full of girls who like white tourists.

Two years ago I was planning a trip there but it had to be cancelled due to COVID. I became penpals with a girl on Filipino Cupid. She was desperate to meet me. I think we agreed to $50 per day. We did video chat but I never met her. She was 20, no baby, spoke English and I think that in appearance and attitude she was equal to most Colombians. About intelligence, I'm not really interested in any deep conversations.

Of course I'll miss the drama of druggings, shootings and kidnappings which are the spice of life in Medellin. But I'll manage somehow.[/QUOTE]I visited Manila, Philippines back in 2018 and stayed at Makati city. I'd say the city itself is really nice. I saw a bunch of Americans and expats with their Filipina sugar babies or wife. The city is big and has lots to offer for foreigners, entertainment and red light districts. Manila is also the center of college universities, so I saw a lot of college girls commuting everyday to go to school.

Comparing to the quality of girls to Colombia, I would say Philippines does not stand a chance. During my stay there, I can generally rate the women from 4-6 just being in the public areas like malls, parks and restaurants. Red light districts you'll see 5-7 at most. The 8 and 9's exist but you don't see them often as much like in Colombia.

The food and gastronomy is amazing so many options like Colombia. Weather is very tropical. There's only dry season and rainy season. I did not like the humidity there in summer times.

I went to one of the High end Karaoke bars there called "Air Force 1". I was impressed and saw a good amount of working girls ranging from 7-9. I picked a 20 yr old petite Filipina girl which I consider 9 in my scale. Very hot, banging body, pretty face, pair of see's and all natural ass. Surgeries is not common in working girls there, unlike in Colombia. I paid the bar fine to take her out with me. Took her to one of the motels nearby. I spent 15 k pesos ($268 USD). Gave me amazing sex and GFE. She stayed with me for 3 hours. I asked for her number and see her for another date. She told me that out of 15 k that I paid at the Karaoke bar she only gets 8 k pesos ($143 USD) and the rest goes to the bar. It would have been cheaper, if I just fuck her there, as they also have rooms that you can rent. But I found this out after I see her on the 2nd date. The mamasan was pushing me to take her out that night as they knew that it was my first time going there and so they can get more money out of me LOL. We kept in touch even after I came back to the US, added her on Facebook, but after few weeks, she started telling me that she needed money because her mom has been admitted to the hospital for dengue fever. I did not believe the BS and she ended up blocking me LOL.

I also tried one of the massage spa I found on Google (there's many of them). I could not remember the name of the spa. I picked the one that has lots of good reviews. I Uber to the spa. Gave me a lineup of 7 girls. I saw 2 that looked 8 on my scale, picked the one that looks younger than the other. She gave me an excellent massage with a mixed of teasing. CFS for happy ending. 1 hour session costed me 5 k pesos ($89 USD) that time.

Safety is not an issue there compared to Colombia, I did not have to worry about getting drugged, kidnap or rob. Although I couldn't say the same on the poorer parts of that city. Filipino people are very friendly and hospitable. Almost everyone speak English and it's considered as the 2nd language there so you don't have to worry about communicating to the locals.

I did not know ISG that time. I would have been prepared and got lots of Intel before going there. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of info you can get on the Philippines thread section.

Intro: it was my second night in Medellin. I Invited Betty to my room. She was able black girl. Skinny maybe 5 ft 5. I would rate her 7 if you really like petite women a 7. 5.

I'm going to do a speed run through my last trip so I can post about the one I'm currently on.

Betty: black girl, about 5 ft5. I would rate her 7 if you really like petite women a 7. 5.

Chrissy: light skinned about 5 ft6. I'd rate her a 7. She had big ass tits and she was thick almost chubby but she wore it well.

Night 2: met up with Betty gave her some meat and 200.000 pesos. Bbj sex a little kissing. Highlight. Was her attitude she may have never said no.

Night 3: I met with Chrissy gave her some meat 300.000 pesos. I really wanted to get to her tits and she negotiated so I said yes. Bbj sex a little kissing I always negotiate for three hours of time together. I usually also at least get them rappi. Highlight. She also had a good attitude she always refers to me as king or daddy and she gave me an boobjob without asking.

Day:4 I went to a casa. I got a listing off one of the prepago sites. It was a place the offering services I haven't experienced. I got a manicure and pedicure and manscaped and a bbj. I forget the price maybe like 450.000.

Night 5: Betty came back but she spent the night. Gave her like 2 rounds at night and work up for one. I gave her 200.000.

Day 6: Went to Guatap it's a nearby city. I took Chrissy. It was a double date situation. Before we had a round. I remember because it was the first bit of rawdogging that I did. I don't think I initiated sex with her since the first time all the others including this time. She strongly instigated. Like it would have been rude to turn down the Kittty the way it was being thrown at me. That night we went again. It obviously wasn't enough because she woke me up at like 3 am riding my dick bareback. I gave her less pesos I forgot what we negotiated but I didn't pay her 300.000 and take her on a trip. Highlight - 17 dollar to Mohawk steak.

Day7: linked up with Betty and her friend. Her friends are basically twins the friend was a tas shorter and wore her natural hair. We went to love hotel. All the other chicas came to my place but my max visitor count was 1. This was a fun night we had a party of 3 in the room. The friend got 250.00, Betty got 200.000. Betty also wanted to stay the night again.

Highlight: get sucked off by two girls in a jacuzzi.

All these are Facebook girls. All accepted the same rules just slightly different prices.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2886188]Inform your parents LOL?? Most the members here on ISG are in their 60's and the parents are most likely deceased. There's a few of us in our 30's 40's or 50's but the vast majority of the guys who post on here are Social Security age LOL.[/QUOTE]Yep, my parents are in their 90's and infirm.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2886232]& LOS costumbres[/QUOTE]LAS costumbres. Did you capitalize it to call attention to it being wrong?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2886383]LAS costumbres. Did you capitalize it to call attention to it being wrong?[/QUOTE]The software automatically does that for Thailand Land of Smiles.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2886383]LAS costumbres. Did you capitalize it to call attention to it being wrong?[/QUOTE]My bad, las costumbres. And no I didn't capitalize it, ISG did that automatically. Have you gotten the hotels to repaint their doors from Hale to Jale yet?

I swear I have one letter wrong and you feel the need to correct me LOL.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2886264]Update.

I think I've narrowed my list down to the following:

Blues Suites.

Hashtag 98.

The Sonos Bold.

Hotel Dix.

Any thoughts? Or others I should consider?[/QUOTE]If you don't plan on frequenting the bars, Lleras area hotels are less attractive. I think you'll get more for your money elsewhere because, like you said, Uber is inexpensive. One last thing to consider. Are you going to be out looking after 9 PM? There are probably more than 100 girls available in Lleras and on Calle 10. There are pros and cons. But as far as selection, unless you are going to La Isla, Fase Dos, it's difficult to find a wider selection. But even then, those girls have no problem going to your hotel elsewhere. It might cost you an extra 20 k uber when you send her home. (Or more likely back to Lleras. LOL).

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2886232]"Deteriorating situation in Medellin".

You my friend, Texas Pete, are delusional. Medellin isn't any more or any less dangerous than it has been since before the pandemic. It was actually much more dangerous in the 1990's than anything being experienced here today.[/QUOTE]This is something about which everyone seems to have a different opinion: crime in Medellin. On the web you get opinions varying from "It's no worse than the US. " to "It's a war zone. " Many people write long lists of safety measures noting that if you let your guard down for a minute, you are doomed. My feeling is "Why risk it if there are other definitely safer options with similar quality and prices?

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2886279]I visited Manila, Philippines back in 2018 and stayed at Makati city. I picked a 20 yr old petite Filipina girl which I consider 9 in my scale. Very hot, banging body, pretty face, pair of see's and all natural ass. Surgeries is not common in working girls there, unlike in Colombia. I paid the bar fine to take her out with me. Took her to one of the motels nearby. I spent 15 k pesos ($268 USD). [/QUOTE]My plan is to go General Santos City (it's about a $100 round trip plane ride from Manila) after setting up some dates in advance through Filipino Cupid. I've already rented an apparently nice airbnb.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/970344118624617220[/URL]

I think that I can get a beautiful 20 year old to stay with me for about $50 per day. (And "beauty" is subjective. I mean that in my personal opinion she is beautiful.) That's compared to about $65 per hour in Medellin. However of course the proof is in the pudding. I've can't definitely know until I actually go there and see what the reality is on the ground.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2886432]This is something about which everyone seems to have a different opinion: crime in Medellin. On the web you get opinions varying from "It's no worse than the US. " to "It's a war zone. " Many people write long lists of safety measures noting that if you let your guard down for a minute, you are doomed. My feeling is "Why risk it if there are other definitely safer options with similar quality and prices?[/QUOTE]Well good luck to you in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2886432]This is something about which everyone seems to have a different opinion: crime in Medellin. On the web you get opinions varying from "It's no worse than the US. " to "It's a war zone. " Many people write long lists of safety measures noting that if you let your guard down for a minute, you are doomed. My feeling is "Why risk it if there are other definitely safer options with similar quality and prices?[/QUOTE]That's a fair quesion. And you've obviously made your choice. My opinion, you've weighed the pros & cons and measured your risk profile and made the right decision for you. But that doesn't mean there's a one size fits all solution. I strongly considered Thailand for my next trip. Other than the ridiculously long trip, the final straw for me was the beauty. Generally speaking, I find paisas far more attractive than the Thai women. That's my opinion and led me to the right decision for me.

The risks are real. And quite frankly, my methods put me at risk. But having visited MDE more than a dozen times and spent cumulatively many months with boots on the ground, I'm comfortable I know the risks and can take common sense steps to mitigate the risks. Until those risks are too cumbersome or interfere with the ability to relax and enjoy the trip, Colombia wins out easily. But again, that's my calculation, not a solution for everyone. It's a common issue on this board but you clearly (and eloquently) explained your position. That doesn't mean everyone must agree with it.

Any thoughts for or against AirBNB? Prices seem good and it seems nice to not have to deal with visitor fees etc. When bringing ladies back to have some fun.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2886434]My plan is to go General Santos City[/QUOTE]Dude you are going to be bored as fuck!

You made a fair point about differing opinions about Medellin safety. The same could be said about any topic including which girl is a 10 and how do you fry a turkey. What for me is much less reasonable is the amount of traffic in the Medellin group from people who say they have turned their backs on Medellin for whatever reason. You guys, I respect your decision. Now it's time to move on to greener pastures. Best of luck, any of us interested in keeping up with how you fare can go to the Philippines group or wherever else you guys feel the grass is greener. You are all right, no need to carry on trying to convince.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2886432]This is something about which everyone seems to have a different opinion: crime in Medellin. On the web you get opinions varying from "It's no worse than the US. " to "It's a war zone. " Many people write long lists of safety measures noting that if you let your guard down for a minute, you are doomed. My feeling is "Why risk it if there are other definitely safer options with similar quality and prices?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stl24;2886487]Any thoughts for or against AirBNB? Prices seem good and it seems nice to not have to deal with visitor fees etc. When bringing ladies back to have some fun.[/QUOTE]Plenty of options. Only two things to consider, in my opinion:

1. Are they girl friendly? A lot are not. And I've heard and seen stories of gringos kicked out of their place if they get caught. So I'd be sure to ask before I book.

2. Is there a doorman? For me, that's a must. And I'd encourage a small tip at the beginning of your stay. You want him to be a friend, for multiple reasons.

Hello everyone,

Long time lurker, first time poster. I am planning a trip to Medellin in early February. I've been RTFF here and appreciate all the information left here by all of you. If anyone will be available around this time, please let me know (PM), I'm good for a meal, at least. I'm looking forward to contribute my own experiences in the near future.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2883791]I would say they are basically equivalent. The risk of getting drugged and / or robbed is proportional to your level of common sense. You won't get drugged like in a movie. You get drugged when someone puts something in your drink. Are you coming here to drink? I would seriously suggest you drink in the Sport's bar at San Peter with your homies. You should never be drinking with a girl in your hotel room or Air be-and-be. It will require you to be incredibly vigilant and suspicious all the time which surely will detract from your experience.

If you are smart enough to not drink with the girls and if you go to a strip bar, drink water with a screw top cap that you can keep with you at all times. If you do those things you aren't going to get drugged. .[/QUOTE]All good suggestions though very much fun inhibiting for many, while there's no absolute formula that 100% prevents druggings in Colombia, and all a guy needs to do is slip once. It also comes back to my suggestion to use Love Motels for fun.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2883791]As far as getting robbed. Are you smart enough to keep everything of value in your safe? Or a locked up suitcase? Are you secure enough to leave your bling at home? Are you smart enough to NOT pull our your expensive cell phone every time it buzzes or chimes. Duck into a coffee shop or bakery to check your messages, if you must. Stay away from empty deserted streets. Cabs are cheap, really cheap. [/QUOTE]Cabs aren't preferable at this time because of increasing reports of rogues. They can be involved in a variety of crimes. Use Ubers whenever possible as it leaves a paper trail. This is actually old news.

Also, though hiding your phone or leaving the jewelry at home helps, it won't always save you from a violent street robbery while kidnappings presently can hardly be ruled out. Regardless be assured that the Colombians will find a way to blame you for it if it happens, but daylight violent robberies are pretty prevalent and Colombians are often themselves victims. The two guys on a moto aren't riding around only looking for guys wearing shorts sporting gold chains and carrying IPhone 15's. Obvious foreigners are presumed rich, and they typically are compared to average Colombians. Move in at least pairs or groups when possible. Walk like you have a purpose and know exactly where you are going. But there's no panacea for street robberies either.

That said many are heading back to Costa Rica where they do not have to worry about much of this nonsense. Vacations should be just that, not conventions of guys constantly having to look over their shoulders or screw a water bottle cap off and on every time they want to take a drink near a young woman. LOL Look for a revival to that scene, and when the guys come the girls will also, often from neighboring countries. Much of the perceived beauty of Colombian women is artificial, in that they are great at make up and go for the surgeries. They also hit the gym to their credit. In Costa Rica, the Nicaraguan girls and local Ticas can be quite GFE and lower maintenance than Paisas, while cute and natural.

Hey,

Visiting Medellin for the first time and curious how to find good girls! Heard facebook is the way to go, but not really sure how to start on there? Appreciate any info people might have or recommendations here or in PM. Thank you.

I want to visit Medellin in the near future, and I really want to do my research. So instead of asking for advice, I asked GPT4 to analyse this thread. The prompt was designed to search for practical advice given by experienced users for a total newcomer like me. This is going to be my cheatsheet unless anyone disagrees on some points, I'm here to learn. If this is well received and people find it useful I wiant to do the same for other places on my fucketlist such as Manila and Rio. Anyway, here are the results:

After analyzing the most recent 3000 posts on the Medellin Reports thread from the International Sex Guide forum, focusing on users with more than 500 posts and their experiences with casas and paid interactions, here's a summary of specific and practical advice:

## CHOOSING CASAS:

- 'La Isla' and 'Fase Dos' consistently receive praise for variety and quality.

- 'Mansion' offers a premium, upscale experience; 'Barcelona' for local authenticity.

- Regulars at 'Mansion' mention discreet and high-quality services.

- Some users recommend visiting lesser-known casas for unique experiences.

- Look for listings on prepago sites for a broader range of services.

- Some posts delve into the dynamics of how casas operate, including the nuances of provider interactions and the general environment. This insight can help set expectations for first-time visitors.

- Each casa has its own atmosphere; some are party-like, others more relaxed.

- Users suggest visiting different casas to find one that matches your preferences.

- A few users discuss the benefits of planning casa visits ahead, especially during peak hours or weekends. This includes choosing the right time to visit for the best selection of providers.

## PRICING AND NEGOTIATION TACTICS:

- Clear discussions on services, duration, and prices are essential before engagement.

- Paying in Colombian pesos often results in better rates.

- Some casas have fixed price lists; familiarize yourself with these to guide negotiations.

- Be aware of varying prices for different services; some users share their spending on various activities.

- Understanding the general price range can help in budgeting your trip.

- Familiarize yourself with Colombian pesos and always carry small denominations for ease of transactions.

- Being aware of average rates in the area can help in negotiating fair prices.

- Tipping is based on service quality and personal satisfaction.

- Discussing tipping practices with locals or experienced visitors can provide insights.

- Some casas might have unofficial tipping norms; observe or ask discreetly.

## INTERACTING WITH SERVICE PROVIDERS:

- Respect and polite behavior are key to better service.

- Basic Spanish phrases or translation apps improve communication significantly.

- Show interest in the provider's comfort for a more reciprocal experience.

## SAFETY MEASURES:

- Always watch your belongings; use casas with secure lockers.

- Maintain discretion in your interactions and discussions about your experiences.

- Be aware of your surroundings and who you share details with, especially in public areas.

- Be extra cautious when out late at night, especially in areas like Lleras and Calle 10.

- When exploring nightlife, plan safe transportation back to your accommodation.

- Always use ATMs in secure locations like banks or inside shopping malls.

- In crowded places, wear your backpack in front to deter pickpockets.

- Utilize a money belt or hidden pouch for important documents and cash.

## HEALTH AND HYGIENE:

- Personal grooming is appreciated and impacts interactions.

- Some users emphasize the importance of cleanliness both personally and in the casa environment.

- Select casas with high hygiene standards for a safer experience.

- Use protection; most casas provide it, but it's advisable to carry your own.

## BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS:

- Regular visits to a casa can lead to rapport and potentially better experiences.

- Being a friendly and consistent patron can lead to preferential rates / services.

- Long-term rapport with providers can lead to more personalized services.

## AFTER-VISIT PRACTICES:

- Reflecting on and sharing your experiences anonymously can help the community.

- Be mindful of giving balanced and respectful feedback on services and providers.

- Users often detail their encounters, providing insights into different types of services and expectations. Reading through these experiences can offer a realistic view of what to expect.

## TRANSPORTATION:

- Use reliable taxi services or ride-hailing apps like Uber for safe travel to casas.

- Always confirm that the taxi meter is on as soon as you start your journey.

- Some users recommend asking the casa for preferred or safe transportation options.

- Learn basic bus routes for an economical way to explore the city during the day.

## MANAGING EXPECTATIONS:

- Understand that experiences can vary widely; keep an open mind.

- Adjust expectations based on the casa's reputation and price range.

## ACCOMMODATION:

- Check if the AirBNB is girl-friendly to avoid issues with guests.

- Having a doorman at the AirBNB can be beneficial for safety and convenience.

- Tip the doorman at the start of your stay to ensure a smooth experience.

- In El Poblado, specifically around Parque Lleras, look for guest-friendly hotels.

- For longer stays, consider secured apartment rentals with a doorman.

- Choose accommodations with 24-hour security or a reception desk.

- Verify the lock quality on doors and windows of your lodging.

- Look for accommodations with reviews mentioning safety and ease of visitor access.

## DATES WITH PROVIDERS:

- Consider taking providers on day trips for a different kind of experience, as mentioned by some users.

- Negotiate terms clearly if planning activities outside of the usual services.

- There are mentions of getting local recommendations or insights on providers, which can sometimes lead to discovering hidden gems or particularly popular individuals.

- Some users recommend setting up multiple dates or encounters to maximize the experience during the stay.

- Use platforms like Facebook or local apps to connect with potential providers.

## CULTURAL INTERACTIONS:

- Carry a phrasebook or translation app to navigate language barriers.

- Greet locals with 'Buenos theas' in the morning and 'Buenas tardes' after noon.

- Understand that negotiations in markets should be friendly and respectful.

## NIGHTLIFE AND SOCIALIZING:

- In nightclubs, keep a close eye on your drinks to avoid being spiked.

- Network with expats and locals to find out about the best current venues.

- Dress smart-casual for nightclubs; some have dress codes.

## FOOD AND DINING:

- Street food is safe if you go where there's high turnover and locals eating.

- Try local dishes like 'Bandeja Paisa' and fresh fruit juices.

## HEALTH AND MEDICAL:

- Pharmacies can provide over-the-counter medications for common ailments.

- In case of a medical emergency, use private hospitals for more reliable care.

- Purchase comprehensive travel insurance that includes medical coverage.

## SHOPPING AND SOUVENIRS:

- Visit El Hueco for inexpensive local goods and souvenirs.

- Be aware of counterfeit items, especially in informal markets.

- Check customs regulations to ensure you can take certain items home.

[QUOTE=FedorE;2819750]Was bitching about prices a few posts ago but it is what is. Outcall from "Melissa Fitness" from prepagos. I'm a gym rat, I squat 400 lbs, She made me look like I've never touched a weight in my life. Insane physique, massive quads even by my standards, damage was 450 k for 2 in an hour. Showed up at that exact minute I asked which is surprising most chicas are like 30 minutes late from my experience. She was honestly really cool and had a great attitude, face was kinda weird but not ugly. Would recommend and might repeat.

BTW met a girl on tinder who is 30 years old who quoted me in fucking USD, and $120 at that. No thanks. I've been coming here since 2018 and I think the end is near.[/QUOTE]Any comment on her breath like Temporis mentioned? That would be a turn off for sure; I went to one of the bars in Lleras and one of the girls I talked to had a great body but terrible breath, there was no way I would've enjoyed it.

[QUOTE=FedorE;2819750]Was bitching about prices a few posts ago but it is what is. Outcall from "Melissa Fitness" from prepagos. I'm a gym rat, I squat 400 lbs, She made me look like I've never touched a weight in my life. Insane physique, massive quads even by my standards, damage was 450 k for 2 in an hour. Showed up at that exact minute I asked which is surprising most chicas are like 30 minutes late from my experience. She was honestly really cool and had a great attitude, face was kinda weird but not ugly. Would recommend and might repeat.

BTW met a girl on tinder who is 30 years old who quoted me in fucking USD, and $120 at that. No thanks. I've been coming here since 2018 and I think the end is near.[/QUOTE]That sounds disgusting. Women are not supposed to have massive quads, those are masculine features, women are supposed to be feminine with a fit athletic physique but not massive quads or pecks etc. Lmao you might as well be fucking a man with a vagina (those exist now a days LOL).

[QUOTE=Stl24;2886487]Any thoughts for or against AirBNB? Prices seem good and it seems nice to not have to deal with visitor fees etc. When bringing ladies back to have some fun.[/QUOTE]I've stayed in Airbnbs in Medellin and was satisfied, but for girls I'd prefer a hotel even with a 40 to 50 mil guest fee. If they say they allow guests and mention the fee, they will well know what you have in mind. It's something they are used to and screening, copying the girl's ID while calling you before she's allowed to exit could be more reliable than some apartment guards.

People on here openly talking about being completely new to everything, first trip report to anywhere is a month ago and it's a lesson in what *not to do. A few weeks later you are an expert on the "deteriorating situation" in Medellin. Now you tell us you've never even been to the Philippines but based on what you read someone else say, and a video chat, that asian pussy is better than Colombian pussy because of your tastes. You'll have to investigate in person you say, and oh by the way everyone beware of the importance of air conditioning. Bro, nothing wrong with being new or green or even dumb, but stop pretending you have any idea what you're on about.

[QUOTE=TexasPistol;2886222]I'm not going to write much more about this here because it maybe more appropriate for the Philippines forum after my trip.

I have had several online "relationships" including video chats with filipinas who, according to my taste, were 100% as hot as anyone I saw in Medellin. I'm not worried about that. They may however be more shy and less wild in bed. That may be a minus. I"ll have investigate in person.

The climate sounds terrible. I'm going to aim for very good air conditioning.

However in terms of crime the possibilty of anything worse than pickpocketing seems to be almost nil. That sounds good considering the deteriorating situation in Medellin. I think that tips the scales for me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrIce;2886557]I want to visit Medellin in the near future, and I really want to do my research. So instead of asking for advice, I asked GPT4 to analyse this thread. The prompt was designed to search for practical advice given by experienced users for a total newcomer like me. This is going to be my cheatsheet unless anyone disagrees on some points, I'm here to learn. If this is well received and people find it useful I wiant to do the same for other places on my fucketlist such as Manila and Rio. Anyway, here are the results:

After analyzing the most recent 3000 posts on the Medellin Reports thread from the International Sex Guide forum, focusing on users with more than 500 posts and their experiences with casas and paid interactions, here's a summary of specific and practical advice:

## CHOOSING CASAS:

- 'La Isla' and 'Fase Dos' consistently receive praise for variety and quality.

- 'Mansion' offers a premium, upscale experience; 'Barcelona' for local authenticity.

etc etc

- Be aware of counterfeit items, especially in informal markets.

- Check customs regulations to ensure you can take certain items home.[/QUOTE]The stuff is all mixed up and is combining things about strip clubs, casas, and hotels. I clipped out most of the post for my response, but the first couple of suggestions show this clearly, La Isla and Fase Dos are strip clubs, Mansion is a hotel, and Barcelona is a casa I think. Not even sure about it. Parts about doormen and security are not at all clear, but nor are a lot of the posts that this summary is drawn from, so no surprise. For example, Airbnbs can be apartments in peoples homes, can be condominiums or apartments in various kinds of buildings, and may be merely how smaller hotels market themselves. So the facilities differ a lot, with some having condo type security, others having a homeowner with whatever security they may have, or it may be a hotel with whatever security the hotel may have. And whether they allow the guests you want to bring in, or not, varies independently of all of that. Anyway, a few thoughts.

But the summary is still interesting. I would hope it is not being absorbed into the app's database though.

[QUOTE=FedorE;2819750]Was bitching about prices a few posts ago but it is what is. Outcall from "Melissa Fitness" from prepagos. I'm a gym rat, I squat 400 lbs, She made me look like I've never touched a weight in my life. Insane physique, massive quads even by my standards, damage was 450 k for 2 in an hour. Showed up at that exact minute I asked which is surprising most chicas are like 30 minutes late from my experience. She was honestly really cool and had a great attitude, face was kinda weird but not ugly. Would recommend and might repeat.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, my first session with this girl. I was weirded out with her face, I couldn't kiss her. But her body makes up for everything though. Definitely my top 5. I pick the incall option. 170 k hour. She lives in upscale apartment with security. Her boobs is definitely man made, but felt soft and natural to me. I love pounding her natural ass on the doggy. Pussy tight too. You can tell that she takes pride on her physique. She's very accommodating, great attitude and planning to see her again on the next visit.

Nobody in Colombia is your friend. Thinking that is when you get set up. These girls are sharks, and every Colombian guy is jealous of you and secretly resents you because you're American. We see more money in a month than they see in a year. They will not think twice about robbing you. You don't know who to trust, so trust none. Muhammad Ali did an interview about snakes and white people in the 60's. It holds true for visiting Colombia. I'll let him explain it: [URL]https://m.youtube.com/shorts/tHLIpJGuGeo[/URL].

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2886711]I agree with you, my first session with this girl. I was weirded out with her face, I couldn't kiss her. But her body makes up for everything though. Definitely my top 5. I pick the incall option. 170 k hour. She lives in upscale apartment with security. Her boobs is definitely man made, but felt soft and natural to me. I love pounding her natural ass on the doggy. Pussy tight too. You can tell that she takes pride on her physique. She's very accommodating, great attitude and planning to see her again on the next visit.[/QUOTE]No breath issues?

Why not? Also, please do experiment with other destinations like Rio, etc. !

[QUOTE=MrIce;2886557]I want to visit Medellin in the near future, and I really want to do my research. So instead of asking for advice, I asked GPT4 to analyse this thread. The prompt was designed to search for practical advice given by experienced users for a total newcomer like me. This is going to be my cheatsheet unless anyone disagrees on some points, I'm here to learn. If this is well received and people find it useful I wiant to do the same for other places on my fucketlist such as Manila and Rio. Anyway, here are the results:

After analyzing the most recent 3000 posts on the Medellin Reports thread from the International Sex Guide forum, focusing on users with more than 500 posts and their experiences with casas and paid interactions, here's a summary of specific and practical advice:

## CHOOSING CASAS:

- 'La Isla' and 'Fase Dos' consistently receive praise for variety and quality.

- 'Mansion' offers a premium, upscale experience; 'Barcelona' for local authenticity.

- Regulars at 'Mansion' mention discreet and high-quality services.

- Some users recommend visiting lesser-known casas for unique experiences.

- Look for listings on prepago sites for a broader range of services.

- Some posts delve into the dynamics of how casas operate, including the nuances of provider interactions and the general environment. This insight can help set expectations for first-time visitors.

- Each casa has its own atmosphere; some are party-like, others more relaxed.

- Users suggest visiting different casas to find one that matches your preferences.

- A few users discuss the benefits of planning casa visits ahead, especially during peak hours or weekends. This includes choosing the right time to visit for the best selection of providers.

## PRICING AND NEGOTIATION TACTICS:

- Clear discussions on services, duration, and prices are essential before engagement.

- Paying in Colombian pesos often results in better rates.

- Some casas have fixed price lists; familiarize yourself with these to guide negotiations.

- Be aware of varying prices for different services; some users share their spending on various activities.

- Understanding the general price range can help in budgeting your trip.

- Familiarize yourself with Colombian pesos and always carry small denominations for ease of transactions.

- Being aware of average rates in the area can help in negotiating fair prices.

- Tipping is based on service quality and personal satisfaction.

- Discussing tipping practices with locals or experienced visitors can provide insights.

- Some casas might have unofficial tipping norms; observe or ask discreetly.

## INTERACTING WITH SERVICE PROVIDERS:

- Respect and polite behavior are key to better service.

- Basic Spanish phrases or translation apps improve communication significantly.

- Show interest in the provider's comfort for a more reciprocal experience.

## SAFETY MEASURES:

- Always watch your belongings; use casas with secure lockers.

- Maintain discretion in your interactions and discussions about your experiences.

- Be aware of your surroundings and who you share details with, especially in public areas.

- Be extra cautious when out late at night, especially in areas like Lleras and Calle 10.

- When exploring nightlife, plan safe transportation back to your accommodation.

- Always use ATMs in secure locations like banks or inside shopping malls.

- In crowded places, wear your backpack in front to deter pickpockets.

- Utilize a money belt or hidden pouch for important documents and cash.

## HEALTH AND HYGIENE:

- Personal grooming is appreciated and impacts interactions.

- Some users emphasize the importance of cleanliness both personally and in the casa environment.

- Select casas with high hygiene standards for a safer experience.

- Use protection; most casas provide it, but it's advisable to carry your own.

## BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS:

- Regular visits to a casa can lead to rapport and potentially better experiences.

- Being a friendly and consistent patron can lead to preferential rates / services.

- Long-term rapport with providers can lead to more personalized services.

## AFTER-VISIT PRACTICES:

- Reflecting on and sharing your experiences anonymously can help the community.

- Be mindful of giving balanced and respectful feedback on services and providers.

- Users often detail their encounters, providing insights into different types of services and expectations. Reading through these experiences can offer a realistic view of what to expect.

## TRANSPORTATION:

- Use reliable taxi services or ride-hailing apps like Uber for safe travel to casas.

- Always confirm that the taxi meter is on as soon as you start your journey.

- Some users recommend asking the casa for preferred or safe transportation options.

- Learn basic bus routes for an economical way to explore the city during the day.

## MANAGING EXPECTATIONS:

- Understand that experiences can vary widely; keep an open mind.

- Adjust expectations based on the casa's reputation and price range.

## ACCOMMODATION:

- Check if the AirBNB is girl-friendly to avoid issues with guests.

- Having a doorman at the AirBNB can be beneficial for safety and convenience.

- Tip the doorman at the start of your stay to ensure a smooth experience.

- In El Poblado, specifically around Parque Lleras, look for guest-friendly hotels.

- For longer stays, consider secured apartment rentals with a doorman.

- Choose accommodations with 24-hour security or a reception desk.

- Verify the lock quality on doors and windows of your lodging.

- Look for accommodations with reviews mentioning safety and ease of visitor access.

## DATES WITH PROVIDERS:

- Consider taking providers on day trips for a different kind of experience, as mentioned by some users.

- Negotiate terms clearly if planning activities outside of the usual services.

- There are mentions of getting local recommendations or insights on providers, which can sometimes lead to discovering hidden gems or particularly popular individuals.

- Some users recommend setting up multiple dates or encounters to maximize the experience during the stay.

- Use platforms like Facebook or local apps to connect with potential providers.

## CULTURAL INTERACTIONS:

- Carry a phrasebook or translation app to navigate language barriers.

- Greet locals with 'Buenos theas' in the morning and 'Buenas tardes' after noon.

- Understand that negotiations in markets should be friendly and respectful.

## NIGHTLIFE AND SOCIALIZING:

- In nightclubs, keep a close eye on your drinks to avoid being spiked.

- Network with expats and locals to find out about the best current venues.

- Dress smart-casual for nightclubs; some have dress codes.

## FOOD AND DINING:

- Street food is safe if you go where there's high turnover and locals eating.

- Try local dishes like 'Bandeja Paisa' and fresh fruit juices.

## HEALTH AND MEDICAL:

- Pharmacies can provide over-the-counter medications for common ailments.

- In case of a medical emergency, use private hospitals for more reliable care.

- Purchase comprehensive travel insurance that includes medical coverage.

## SHOPPING AND SOUVENIRS:

- Visit El Hueco for inexpensive local goods and souvenirs.

- Be aware of counterfeit items, especially in informal markets.

- Check customs regulations to ensure you can take certain items home.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LeoAiolia;2886580]Any comment on her breath like Temporis mentioned? That would be a turn off for sure; I went to one of the bars in Lleras and one of the girls I talked to had a great body but terrible breath, there was no way I would've enjoyed it.[/QUOTE]If the body's really amazing I'd offer her some Listerine to gaggle and swish before coitus.

Here is an article on zero hedge about a bunch of dating app murders in Colombia. When mongering news makes it to a site like zero hedge, you know shit is getting real.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/americans-warned-about-dating-apps-after-8-suspicious-deaths-colombia[/URL]

[QUOTE=Novio;2886756]Why not? Also, please do experiment with other destinations like Rio, etc. ![/QUOTE]Thanks I will, I wasn't sure if it would be better to do in parts or in one giant post.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2886665]The stuff is all mixed up and is combining things about strip clubs, casas, and hotels. I clipped out most of the post for my response, but the first couple of suggestions show this clearly, La Isla and Fase Dos are strip clubs, Mansion is a hotel, and Barcelona is a casa I think. Not even sure about it. Parts about doormen and security are not at all clear, but nor are a lot of the posts that this summary is drawn from, so no surprise. For example, Airbnbs can be apartments in peoples homes, can be condominiums or apartments in various kinds of buildings, and may be merely how smaller hotels market themselves. So the facilities differ a lot, with some having condo type security, others having a homeowner with whatever security they may have, or it may be a hotel with whatever security the hotel may have. And whether they allow the guests you want to bring in, or not, varies independently of all of that. Anyway, a few thoughts.

But the summary is still interesting. I would hope it is not being absorbed into the app's database though.[/QUOTE]Yeah it took a few cycles to see clear trends in the responses and it was a bit all over the place at times. I was hoping it would be even somewhat useful.

Regarding the database, I think the OpenAI training dataset would already include mostly everything on every major website online. Same with Google. So it's definitely too late to worry about that LOL.

There was a wild shootout at the Milla de Oro last night about 7:30. I was outside the Starbucks when I heard 10 or so shots ring out before a bunch of people came running out of the mall entrance near the BMW dealer less than a minute later. I decided I had enough of Poblado and got an uber home. Two police cars with lights and sirens blaring flew past toward the mall as the uber took me away. News reports indicate a young guy with a gun tried to rob some people eating in the food court but the group was armed and opened up on the guy. The robber tried to run out of the mall but security guards shot him down.

I've only looked around Lleras Park due to high volume of ladies but is there another neighborhood / area you all recommend to stay in? Looking to maximize time and see as many ladies as possible with the intent to take some back to my hotel / Airbnb. Wasn't sure if there was another area or two I should look in besides around Lleras Park.

I took a look at zero hedge, although I did not follow the shared link because I don't click random links. The site is advertising and opinion driven so I feel it's fair game for my opinion. I think it is reddit with ads and a neo con / greed / boomer slant. I think it scrapes the Internet for content and I question whether its owners have been to Latin America.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2886830]Here is an article on zero hedge about a bunch of dating app murders in Colombia. When mongering news makes it to a site like zero hedge, you know shit is getting real.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/americans-warned-about-dating-apps-after-8-suspicious-deaths-colombia[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2886881]There was a wild shootout at the Milla de Oro last night about 7:30. I was outside the Starbucks when I heard 10 or so shots ring out before a bunch of people came running out of the mall entrance near the BMW dealer less than a minute later. I decided I had enough of Poblado and got an uber home. Two police cars with lights and sirens blaring flew past toward the mall as the uber took me away. News reports indicate a young guy with a gun tried to rob some people eating in the food court but the group was armed and opened up on the guy. The robber tried to run out of the mall but security guards shot him down.[/QUOTE]The diners were carrying? That's crazy!

[QUOTE=Combo;2886967]The diners were carrying? That's crazy![/QUOTE]Why would they not? I carry everyday when I am in the USA and have one for each day of the month.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2886922]I've only looked around Lleras Park due to high volume of ladies but is there another neighborhood / area you all recommend to stay in? Looking to maximize time and see as many ladies as possible with the intent to take some back to my hotel / Airbnb. Wasn't sure if there was another area or two I should look in besides around Lleras Park.[/QUOTE]Plaza Botero area, based on my reading, seems to be a popular area to stay as well. I have not been but, am considering that area myself.

It's not unusual, especially not in places where monied Colombians hang out. The gun laws are pretty liberal here as long as you are a citizen.

[QUOTE=Combo;2886967]The diners were carrying? That's crazy![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo;2886967]The diners were carrying? That's crazy![/QUOTE]Dude, that ain't crazy, that is Colombia.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2887065]Dude, that ain't crazy, that is Colombia.[/QUOTE]I'll never forget the hotel I always stay at in Bogota, one night I woke up feeling dehydrated and I wanted a soda or juice or something and I came down to the lobby and during the pandemic they always sold sodas for like 2 mil pesos and they had a little nevera with postobon products but by early 2022 they didn't have it anymore.

So anyways I told the night manager dude Sergio that I wanted to buy a soda and if he knew any place nearby that was open (it was 3 am). Then he called up some dude he knows that has a tienda and told him to bring me a jugo hit on his moto.

Then, I shit you not he pulls out this big ass fucking pistol that looks like a 9 mm or something and clocks it back and puts it on his waist under his belt and tells me "vamos a esperarlo afuera. ".

Then we went to go wait outside on Cra 13 and the dude pulled up on the moto like 10 mins later with a big ass jugo hit sabor de mora for like 5 mil pesos.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2887065]Dude, that ain't crazy, that is Colombia.[/QUOTE]What?! Those diners were carrying? That's real crazy!

[QUOTE=Shemp;2887065]Dude, that ain't crazy, that is Colombia.[/QUOTE]Yea this isn't Mexico. I Colombia people can have guns.

[QUOTE=TraveLight;2887015]Plaza Botero area, based on my reading, seems to be a popular area to stay as well. I have not been but, am considering that area myself.[/QUOTE]Plaza Botero area is not an area that is safe at night. Not at all.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2886922]I've only looked around Lleras Park due to high volume of ladies but is there another neighborhood / area you all recommend to stay in? Looking to maximize time and see as many ladies as possible with the intent to take some back to my hotel / Airbnb. Wasn't sure if there was another area or two I should look in besides around Lleras Park.[/QUOTE]Depends on what sort of things you want around you. Other parts of Poblado are great and Laureles area is fine too.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2886975]Why would they not? I carry everyday when I am in the USA and have one for each day of the month.[/QUOTE]As someone that has a bad ass revolver for home protection, I can't imagine carrying everyday or one day for that matter. What do you think is going to happen. Waiting for some mass shooter to come in Walmart.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2887207]Plaza Botero area is not an area that is safe at night. Not at all.[/QUOTE]Aren't you the guy that was going around plaza botero at night carrying the baton ready to whack people's hands if they tried to touch you LOL??

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2886830]Here is an article on zero hedge about a bunch of dating app murders in Colombia. When mongering news makes it to a site like zero hedge, you know shit is getting real.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/americans-warned-about-dating-apps-after-8-suspicious-deaths-colombia[/URL][/QUOTE]Zero Hedge copied it from The Epoch Times. It has a link too to original one. Anyhow, we got the point.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2887065]Dude, that ain't crazy, that is Colombia.[/QUOTE]I guess the crazy part is I've walked past that area hundreds of times and even eaten there a few times. Seems like such a peaceful and pleasant setting.

I'm looking at an Airbnb in Laureles. Really nice apartment condo. Has 24 hour security. Great reviews. Has AC and all the amenities that I need. But it says, "No Sex tourism". I still did try to ask the host, if it's "guest friendly' or if visitors is allowed.

He said 'Yes', visitors are allowed. As long as they register in the reception with valid ID. Rules must be complied such as, Parties are not allowed and Loud music is not allowed because it is a residential building. So does it mean it is Chica friendly? As long they are dressed normal and obviously not looking like a prepago.

I think you will be OK. Don't be surprised if some of your dates show up without acceptable ID. In those situations you can use one of the many motels or love hotels nearby. I recommend you plot directions to a couple of them from the airbnb on one of the mapping apps. You might also get flak for multiple dates per day. Hopefully it doesn't happen but if it does that will be another reason to have the motel option available. You other option is of course find a different airbnb. There are many.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2887281]I'm looking at an Airbnb in Laureles. Really nice apartment condo. Has 24 hour security. Great reviews. Has AC and all the amenities that I need. But it says, "No Sex tourism". I still did try to ask the host, if it's "guest friendly' or if visitors is allowed.

He said 'Yes', visitors are allowed. As long as they register in the reception with valid ID. Rules must be complied such as, Parties are not allowed and Loud music is not allowed because it is a residential building. So does it mean it is Chica friendly? As long they are dressed normal and obviously not looking like a prepago.[/QUOTE]

Honestly I'm just trying to maximize my time with as many women as possible haha. I don't mind using Uber to get around. It's about a 1/4 mile from Lleras park.

I found an AirBNB that verified they have security and are visitor friendly. Not sure if it will allow me to post the link here but it is:

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/895003244487697728?guests=1&adults=1&s=67&unique_share_id=322c8c40-53d5-4268-95a4-63f89fb6e6cd[/URL]

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2887209]Depends on what sort of things you want around you. Other parts of Poblado are great and Laureles area is fine too.[/QUOTE]

Speaking of weapons, I was planning on bringing down a pocket knife that has a blade about 2 in to carry around with me. What are the laws and how likely am I to be checked? I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it just in case.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2887191]Yea this isn't Mexico. I Colombia people can have guns.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2887213]Aren't you the guy that was going around plaza botero at night carrying the baton ready to whack people's hands if they tried to touch you LOL??[/QUOTE]Rambo has turned in his baton. Even he is like "fuck this place".

What's been everyone's experience with the ladies being ok with you recording your interactions?

Also, what about ladies working with another woman for a threesome?

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2887281]I'm looking at an Airbnb in Laureles. Really nice apartment condo. Has 24 hour security. Great reviews. Has AC and all the amenities that I need. But it says, "No Sex tourism". I still did try to ask the host, if it's "guest friendly' or if visitors is allowed.

He said 'Yes', visitors are allowed. As long as they register in the reception with valid ID. Rules must be complied such as, Parties are not allowed and Loud music is not allowed because it is a residential building. So does it mean it is Chica friendly? As long they are dressed normal and obviously not looking like a prepago.[/QUOTE]My guess is if you limit it to two short term guests or one long term guest per day, it will be okay. The problem with some of those buildings is that other residents complain. If anyone complains, tell the owner your guests are friends visiting you.

So which place have the hottest looking girl? I guess it is in the eye of the beholder. But still, I like your opinion. I read through many pages and on line video. It seem Loutron is on top, what is second, third etc. ? Can you guy make a list of above average. I'm not talking about club. Thanks.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2887324]My guess is if you limit it to two short term guests or one long term guest per day, it will be okay. The problem with some of those buildings is that other residents complain. If anyone complains, tell the owner your guests are friends visiting you.[/QUOTE]Look them straight in the eye and tell them it's your niece.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2887213]Aren't you the guy that was going around plaza botero at night carrying the baton ready to whack people's hands if they tried to touch you LOL??[/QUOTE]Nope, wasn't me. I've been there at night though. And especially after the metro stops it is like a zombie land. Police are all gone, very few people around and none of them were just normal people. I was never so glad to see a taxi across by one of the strip clubs and even better when I got out of there back to my place.

I came in on Thursday morning from Guyana.

Was using my Canadian passport.

90% of the passengers were foreigners.

Went to the officer and was sent to another one.

Gave him my passport showed me a small paper that said Canadians have to pay 260 mil pesos or 85 Canadian dollars.

Only debit or credit cards are accepted.

I did not take any of my cards with me.

Reason my last trip in October I sent myself pesos from Guyana with WU.

So I had a lot that was left back.

So I had to sit on the chair behind him.

Then an officer came to me and said one of her colleague will use his card.

I gave 300 mil pesos for good deed.

This was implemented in November.

Petro introduced it.

I did google it.

It's political.

So I just had to share it fir fellow Canadians.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2887426]Nope, wasn't me. I've been there at night though. And especially after the metro stops it is like a zombie land. Police are all gone, very few people around and none of them were just normal people. I was never so glad to see a taxi across by one of the strip clubs and even better when I got out of there back to my place.[/QUOTE]One time I went literally at 2 am and was doing laps around Cra 53 (bar street) and Calle 51 (pedestrian walkway) and it was very different than in the day time. Luckily nothing bad happened to me but I didn't see a single cop and most places were closed up and there was lots of homeless people and the few chicas I did see were nasty looking drug addicts or trannies.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2887293]Speaking of weapons, I was planning on bringing down a pocket knife that has a blade about 2 in to carry around with me. What are the laws and how likely am I to be checked? I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it just in case.[/QUOTE]I always carry a knife with a 2 inch blade; not for protection, but for convenience when I need it for normal knife usage. I asked a local man about the laws and he said Colombia citizens are allowed to carry knives, and it would depend on the police officer if a foreigner had one. He said he didn't think there were any laws against it. In 13 years and many trips, I have never had an encounter with the police.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2887426]Nope, wasn't me. I've been there at night though. And especially after the metro stops it is like a zombie land. Police are all gone, very few people around and none of them were just normal people. I was never so glad to see a taxi across by one of the strip clubs and even better when I got out of there back to my place.[/QUOTE]I remember my first trip to Colombia, burning both ends, left a strip club, walked outside, and it was like a nuke hit. I didn't see a soul. It was frightening. I went back inside and asked the guy to call me a taxi and tipped him a couple bucks. Colombia late at night in the wrong area is pretty scary. The funny part was I think I would have preferred a bunch of shady characters everywhere than empty. It's like the whole town knew don't stay out past this time.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2887466]I always carry a knife with a 2 inch blade; not for protection, but for convenience when I need it for normal knife usage. I asked a local man about the laws and he said Colombia citizens are allowed to carry knives, and it would depend on the police officer if a foreigner had one. He said he didn't think there were any laws against it. In 13 years and many trips, I have never had an encounter with the police.[/QUOTE]I think if he packs it in his checked bag it should be OK. He shouldn't under and circumstances try to take it in his carry-on luggage. Once he gets here as far as carrying it on him, I'm not sure of the exact laws, like you say it will likely just depend on the cops who stop him and if he is even searched, 9 times out of 10 they just ask for cedula number and you show them your ID or passport and that's it.

I highly doubt he would get arrested for carrying a pocket knife even if the cops did search him and find it, worse case scenario is pay a bribe and it gets confiscated.

If you can get it past TSA you will have no problems here.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2887466]I always carry a knife with a 2 inch blade; not for protection, but for convenience when I need it for normal knife usage. I asked a local man about the laws and he said Colombia citizens are allowed to carry knives, and it would depend on the police officer if a foreigner had one. He said he didn't think there were any laws against it. In 13 years and many trips, I have never had an encounter with the police.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2887466]I always carry a knife with a 2 inch blade; not for protection, but for convenience when I need it for normal knife usage. I asked a local man about the laws and he said Colombia citizens are allowed to carry knives, and it would depend on the police officer if a foreigner had one. He said he didn't think there were any laws against it. In 13 years and many trips, I have never had an encounter with the police.[/QUOTE]All Bogotá.

I was walking through the North Stroll in SF and all of a sudden there was a cop reaching into my jacket pocket from behind and he took my jack knife-- that was it-- no other interaction.

Once late at night a cop asked me to empty my pockets on Calle 19 and kept one of my lighters-- LOL-- he did ask to keep it.

Another time I was walking with this big mouth fat Chicago Polish dude who likes to because-play as a pimp-- he had like 2 million or so on him and the cop made him take him to his apartment and he found a bullet in there and dude had to pay him like 300 mil or so-.

A few times I have been rousted for smoking a J -- ended up giving a bribe.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2887428]I came in on Thursday morning from Guyana.

Was using my Canadian passport.

90% of the passengers were foreigners.

Went to the officer and was sent to another one.

Gave him my passport showed me a small paper that said Canadians have to pay 260 mil pesos or 85 Canadian dollars.

Only debit or credit cards are accepted..[/QUOTE][URL]https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/colombia[/URL]#entryexit

Entry tax.

As of November 14,2023, you must pay an entry fee equivalent to $85 CAD in Colombian Pesos upon arrival in Colombia. You can only pay by credit card. The payment must be made upon entering the country during the immigration control process. There could be significant delays to make the payment, which could disrupt your travel plans.

You don't have to pay this entry tax if:

Your destination is the archipelago of San Andres, Providencia and Santa Catalina.

You have a valid Colombian visa.

You are less than 14 years of age or more than 79 years old.

You are a member of the crew of international transport means (conditions apply).

[QUOTE=SureMan;2887428]I came in on Thursday morning from Guyana.

Was using my Canadian passport.

90% of the passengers were foreigners.

Went to the officer and was sent to another one.

Gave him my passport showed me a small paper that said Canadians have to pay 260 mil pesos or 85 Canadian dollars.

Only debit or credit cards are accepted.

I did not take any of my cards with me.

Reason my last trip in October I sent myself pesos from Guyana with WU.

So I had a lot that was left back.

So I had to sit on the chair behind him.

Then an officer came to me and said one of her colleague will use his card.

I gave 300 mil pesos for good deed.

This was implemented in November.

Petro introduced it.

I did google it.

It's political.

So I just had to share it fir fellow Canadians.[/QUOTE]They had it a few years ago for a while, then dropped it around 2020 sometime I think. I had to pay it 2 or 3 different trips. Anyway, not original with Petro, although he has now re-instated it.

I hope this does not mean what I think it means.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2887529]A gringo is on the top floor of hotel dorado.

He just jumped.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2887542]I hope this does not mean what I think it means.[/QUOTE]It's strange that SureMan doesn't have any followup posts. Sounds like a hoax to me.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2887749]It's strange that SureMan doesn't have any followup posts. Sounds like a hoax to me.[/QUOTE]A simple Google search confirms it: [URL]https://www.semana.com/nacion/medellin/articulo/conmocion-en-medellin-extranjero-cayo-de-un-edificio-y-ciudadanos-lanzaron-indignantes-mensajes/202445/[/URL].

Disturbingly, some onlookers were apparently urging him to jump. Extranjero, but not sure what country he was from as he has a Spanish name.

[QUOTE=Combo;2887754]A simple Google search confirms it: [URL]https://www.semana.com/nacion/medellin/articulo/conmocion-en-medellin-extranjero-cayo-de-un-edificio-y-ciudadanos-lanzaron-indignantes-mensajes/202445/[/URL].

Disturbingly, some onlookers were apparently urging him to jump. Extranjero, but not sure what country he was from as he has a Spanish name.[/QUOTE]Yeah I read that on GringoPaisa (a Facebook group) I listened to the video and didn't hear anything remotely like what was said on that page. I heard lots of gasps and screams but not anyone urging him to jump. I have some friends on the staff there and I understand he was Lithuanian and was there on vacation and was depressed. Sad thing no matter what the details are.

[QUOTE=Combo;2887754]A simple Google search confirms it: [URL]https://www.semana.com/nacion/medellin/articulo/conmocion-en-medellin-extranjero-cayo-de-un-edificio-y-ciudadanos-lanzaron-indignantes-mensajes/202445/[/URL].

Disturbingly, some onlookers were apparently urging him to jump. Extranjero, but not sure what country he was from as he has a Spanish name.[/QUOTE]The article says 'un lituano' so Lithuania. That did not look like a Spanish surname to me. Tomas / Tomasz is all over Eastern Europe and if Spanish, has an accent mark.

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/americans-looking-for-love-are-getting-killed-by-gangs-in-colombia-b12d7671[/URL]

Americans Looking for Love Are Getting Killed by Gangs in Colombia.

USA Embassy warns tourists after eight men died in Medellíand in two months, often after meeting women on dating apps.

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/americans-looking-for-love-are-getting-killed-by-gangs-in-colombia-b12d7671?mod=hp_lead_pos10[/URL]

Many men have been stabbed and killed recently in Medellin. Watch out!

[QUOTE=Combo;2887754]A simple Google search confirms it: [URL]https://www.semana.com/nacion/medellin/articulo/conmocion-en-medellin-extranjero-cayo-de-un-edificio-y-ciudadanos-lanzaron-indignantes-mensajes/202445/[/URL].

Disturbingly, some onlookers were apparently urging him to jump. Extranjero, but not sure what country he was from as he has a Spanish name.[/QUOTE]According to that article, he was Lithuanian.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2887811][URL]https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/americans-looking-for-love-are-getting-killed-by-gangs-in-colombia-b12d7671?mod=hp_lead_pos10[/URL]

Many men have been stabbed and killed recently in Medellin. Watch out![/QUOTE]So this piece of news finally hit mainstream media after making the turns on lesser known media.

Some people here will keep their head in the sand and pretend this only happens to "stupid, careless" people but truth is Medellin has gotten more dangerous recently. A shame because I loved my trip there but this will definitely make me think twice before rebooking.

Some of us who live here see it differently. In any case, you have to trust your instincts. Also on a more practical level it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to spend money to come to a place that makes you uneasy and afraid of your own shadow. This story has made the rounds of the major American and European media outlets for the past couple of years. I know this because people up north and in Europe who know I live here send me links like the one in your post on a regular basis. Whenever I am traveling and I mention to someone that I live in Colombia, more often than not they ask me "is it safe?" My stock response is "it's a city of two million plus people so crime is a problem and you have to take precautions. " The real answer is of course that yes it is safe for some and no it is not safe for some others.

[QUOTE=GuiGui123;2887895]So this piece of news finally hit mainstream media after making the turns on lesser known media.

Some people here will keep their head in the sand and pretend this only happens to "stupid, careless" people but truth is Medellin has gotten more dangerous recently. A shame because I loved my trip there but this will definitely make me think twice before rebooking.[/QUOTE]

I saw a couple of videos. People in the crowd were absolutely yelling at him to jump. I don't understand that mentality.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2887816]According to that article, he was Lithuanian.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2887907]I saw a couple of videos. People in the crowd were absolutely yelling at him to jump. I don't understand that mentality.[/QUOTE]There is a very graphic video on a site called [URL]livegore.com[/URL] that showed the whole event. It's disturbing so I don't want to post it here. Do a google search and you'll find it.

I heard of something called pattaya flying club where people self delete from there. I don't know how common it is there but maybe it's making its way to Latin America now.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2887907]I saw a couple of videos. People in the crowd were absolutely yelling at him to jump. I don't understand that mentality.[/QUOTE]The average Medellin citizen does not like the idea of sex tourism. There is a reason why some rentals post " no sex tourists".

Simply, many don't like outspoken, cocky, shorts and flip flop wearing working girl mongers throwing money around and raising prices.

"Fly under the radar or risk getting shot down".

I speculate they saw a vulnerable gringo. They vented, told him to jump then he did.

Some of us could learn a little about respecting the country and residents of destinations we visit?

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2887467]I remember my first trip to Colombia, burning both ends, left a strip club, walked outside, and it was like a nuke hit. I didn't see a soul. It was frightening. I went back inside and asked the guy to call me a taxi and tipped him a couple bucks. Colombia late at night in the wrong area is pretty scary. The funny part was I think I would have preferred a bunch of shady characters everywhere than empty. It's like the whole town knew don't stay out past this time.[/QUOTE]You know how rough the area you are in is when even the shady characters are afraid to be out and about.

With all the reports of the uptick in violence especially druggings are you guys moving differently when it comes to meeting girls from online sites like facebook, photoprepagos, seeking, tinder etc?

Would you guys recommend only going to strip clubs and brothels and if you want to bring a girl back to your place get their number from one of these establishments and do it that way or not? What are you guys doing to safe guard yourself in 2024 and beyond in Medellin?

[QUOTE=RudeBwoy100;2888016]With all the reports of the uptick in violence especially druggings are you guys moving differently when it comes to meeting girls from online sites like facebook, photoprepagos, seeking, tinder etc?

Would you guys recommend only going to strip clubs and brothels and if you want to bring a girl back to your place get their number from one of these establishments and do it that way or not? What are you guys doing to safe guard yourself in 2024 and beyond in Medellin?[/QUOTE]Strip clubs and brothels are not my thing anymore. I used to frequent Fase dos and La Isla back then, but not anymore. Quality of girls went downhill and way overpriced. I just stick to massage Spas with FS.

Seeking and online (PasionPrepagos) is also my go to now. I picked up girls in LLeras every now and then, but very minimum.

For the safety measures, I just require the girls to come to me all the time. They will have their identification and photo recorded on where I'm staying at. These two pieces of information alone is enough for them to think twice if they happen to have bad intentions to you. I'd also recommend tipping the security staff and befriending them. They are the ones that will always look out for you.

Also, using a local Colombian number for your burner phone is a clutch. As soon as the girls know you have +1 (US phone number) on your WhatsApp, you will become an easy target and she can get you setup. Last one will be, learn Spanish.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2887906] Whenever I am traveling and I mention to someone that I live in Colombia, more often than not they ask me "is it safe?" My stock response is "it's a city of two million plus people so crime is a problem and you have to take precautions. " The real answer is of course that yes it is safe for some and no it is not safe for some others.[/QUOTE]To you it's all in your hands until you run out of luck. Truth is that Colombia has very weak law enforcement and judicial systems thus criminals thrive. Medellin, though not the most dangerous city in the world, is much more dangerous than many other large cities. The locals will all tell you it is dangerous. It's only some foreigners, and especially some posting online that say otherwise.

P.S. Comparisons to cities like Chicago will always remain invalid as, for example murder stats in cities like that are inflated by gang violence in certain areas of town and are neither here nor there to expats and tourists.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2887976]I heard of something called pattaya flying club where people self delete from there.[/QUOTE]Probably an accident half the time though with the crazy way shit is built. Add in alcohol and. My balcony only comes to the middle of my thigh. So if there is talk about me joining a flying club without an airplane then you know it was not on purpose.

[QUOTE=Bill;2887982]The average Medellin citizen does not like the idea of sex tourism. There is a reason why some rentals post " no sex tourists".

I speculate they saw a vulnerable gringo. They vented, told him to jump then he did.

Some of us could learn a little about respecting the country and residents of destinations we visit?[/QUOTE]Where did it say that he was a sex tourist?

This is pretty solid advice. Be advised however that doormen can work for you or against you and it doesn't have so much to do with tipping. In other words, tipping can help improve service for things like food deliveries as well as protection from misbehaving visitors but, and this is a big but, you should never assume doormen would not get into cahoots with potential robbers. Trust me, it happens.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2888115]Strip clubs and brothels are not my thing anymore. I used to frequent Fase dos and La Isla back then, but not anymore. Quality of girls went downhill and way overpriced. I just stick to massage Spas with FS.

Seeking and online (PasionPrepagos) is also my go to now. I picked up girls in LLeras every now and then, but very minimum.

For the safety measures, I just require the girls to come to me all the time. They will have their identification and photo recorded on where I'm staying at. These two pieces of information alone is enough for them to think twice if they happen to have bad intentions to you. I'd also recommend tipping the security staff and befriending them. They are the ones that will always look out for you.

Also, using a local Colombian number for your burner phone is a clutch. As soon as the girls know you have +1 (US phone number) on your WhatsApp, you will become an easy target and she can get you setup. Last one will be, learn Spanish.[/QUOTE]

Some reporting indicates that the Lithuanian was traveling with his mother. At any rate, I agree it's very good advice to be discreet at all times. All the same there is no justification for encouraging a troubled person to take their own life. With all due respect, I'm very disappointed to see this sort of projection.

[QUOTE=Bill;2887982]The average Medellin citizen does not like the idea of sex tourism. There is a reason why some rentals post " no sex tourists".

Simply, many don't like outspoken, cocky, shorts and flip flop wearing working girl mongers throwing money around and raising prices.

"Fly under the radar or risk getting shot down".

I speculate they saw a vulnerable gringo. They vented, told him to jump then he did.

Some of us could learn a little about respecting the country and residents of destinations we visit?[/QUOTE]

Nowhere did it say that. There is an Internet trend of adapting any popular content to project a point of view whether or not it has anything to do with the actual events.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2888197]Where did it say that he was a sex tourist?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2888177]P.S. Comparisons to cities like Chicago will always remain invalid as, for example murder stats in cities like that are inflated by gang violence in certain areas of town and are neither here nor there to expats and tourists.[/QUOTE]Against my better judgement, I'm going to jump in on this one. "Itemizing" crime rates against one another is foolish. Just like a 5 year old in Chicago is caught in the crossfire in "gang violence", a gringo could likewise be caught up in a turf war in Medellin. I'm not saying you are way off base. But I'd say your speculative numbers are more invalid than an apples to apples comparison.

That said, your speculation could be correct. However neither of us have valid data to draw that conclusion. Frankly, I suspect neither Medellin nor Chicago have reliable data to make that comparison. There are too many variables.

Was looking through the forum for updated information in advance of my return to Medellin in a week. Was struck by a couple things.

First, I checked the exchange rate and noticed it's much lower than the last time I went. Which made me check further and I realized I was literally in Medellin at the all time high for USD to COP! So looks like everything's 20 percent higher this time. Not complaining. I view it more good fortune the first time than bad fortune the second time.

Second, there's been all this discussion of danger in Medellin. One thing I never see get brought up in terms of safety in addition to watching your drinks, building security, not going into certain areas late at night, not flashing expensive items etc. Is looking for a digital trail in who you see. It seems like a lot of people have figured out not to use Tinder in specific because you don't know who the people are as well but I'd apply the same logic to using Facebook. No matter how attractive, if all I see from a woman is a bunch of profile picture changes, I'm not contacting her. I look for women that have a lot of posts and seem to be interacting with other people in a real way. Most of all, if there's a photo of her with a bunch of friends or better yet a family, that seems a much, much safer bet to me than someone who only has photos of herself. Those are people that know her and if she's been on Facebook for 3 years and there's a bunch of other people there that have met her in real life, I think she's substantially less likely to try to drug and kill people given she's going to recognize it's not that hard to locate her and she's not trying to be secretive about who she is. Not foolproof but nothing is and it's something that makes me more confident in addition to the fact security takes down the girl's cedula and I'm still locking up valuables and watching my drinks.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2888198]This is pretty solid advice. Be advised however that doormen can work for you or against you and it doesn't have so much to do with tipping. In other words, tipping can help improve service for things like food deliveries as well as protection from misbehaving visitors but, and this is a big but, you should never assume doormen would not get into cahoots with potential robbers. Trust me, it happens.[/QUOTE]Never happened to me yet. But I always make sure to build a relationship with the doorman and sometimes you can always tell or your gut instinct will let you know if something is up. Picking a good location with a lot of good reviews will always help.

"I saw a couple of videos. People in the crowd were absolutely yelling at him to jump. I don't understand that mentality. ".

Maybe if he landed on someone yelling jump, that would discourage that from.

Happening in the future after people would also see that in the video.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2888262]Never happened to me yet. But I always make sure to build a relationship with the doorman and sometimes you can always tell or your gut instinct will let you know if something is up. Picking a good location with a lot of good reviews will always help.[/QUOTE]I've yet to decide where to stay in my quickly approaching trip because I agonize over things such as these. I've been going into the archives here in my spare time and creating a list which, is short at the moment.

A couple that I've run across with previous mention here are: Orange Suites Medellin, Hotel Selis, and of course, The Mansion.

What places have you stayed, what were the pros and cons of those places? Feel free to PM, I'd love to compile the suggestions and perhaps make it into the "links to reports of distinction" thread.

The location I'm looking for is preferrably $100/ night or less, has a check in program, and not so close to the party that sleeping will be difficult.

One of you residents take me up on my offer of free beer, please (2/4-2/10). Thanks.

I visited Medellin last week (work trip). I was hoping I'd get a few hours away from my colleagues, but I guess it was a team building trip, so we literally did everything together for 6 days. Anyway. . . Just a word or two about the area.

I stayed at a hotel in El Poblado area. A Marriot hotel. In my case, I needed to do something safe / nearby / discreet. From my perspective, the options were:

1. Jade Palace (probably a 15 min walk). Uber would be quite reasonable and well worth the price. It's hot. I don't recall the rates, but they were pretty cheap compared to the legit spas.

2. Rio Sur Mall (OM Spa for Men). Will be pricey. Expect to pay 500000 COP if you want a legit massage and full service.

3. I looked on [URL]Mileroticos.com[/URL] and found plenty of escort options, but I was just too nervous to pull it off. My hotel had a security guard at the ground floor entrance. It would have felt funny to try to sneak an obvious escort in. It looks like some of the escorts host in the El Poblado area (Near the park in El Poblado (Calle 10)). I was just too nervous going into an apartment, alone.

My Columbian colleagues told me that it's safe, but if you look like you're a foreigner (which I do), you might be targeted to get robbed in the evening. They said that guys / gangs actively look for tourists leaving nice restaurants / hotels and following them. I was there for 6 days and we walked El Poblado a whole lot. Not once did I feel unsafe. . . . but. . . We were with Columbians and travelled in a large group. At one point, I told the group I was going to walk back to the hotel (4 blocks) at 9 pm and they advised against it. I think I would have been fine, but what do I know. I'm always aware of my surroundings (even at home).

When I was in the hotel elevator, I said 'Hola' to the other person and he told me (sternly) "You don't speak Spanish to me". So there's an element that certainly hates tourists. Truth be told, I hate tourists in my town too, so I can't blame him.

I 'm a little disappointed I didn't get to give it a try, but I wanted to contribute to the forum and thank those that took the time to help me.

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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2888177]To you it's all in your hands until you run out of luck. Truth is that Colombia has very weak law enforcement and judicial systems thus criminals thrive. Medellin, though not the most dangerous city in the world, is much more dangerous than many other large cities. The locals will all tell you it is dangerous. It's only some foreigners, and especially some posting online that say otherwise.

P.S. Comparisons to cities like Chicago will always remain invalid as, for example murder stats in cities like that are inflated by gang violence in certain areas of town and are neither here nor there to expats and tourists.[/QUOTE]The weak law enforcement was the biggest thing for me during the two crimes that I've been a victim of (apartment robing when out and then being drugged and robbed). I had information on the suspects and even some pics, but cops wouldn't do anything.

As someone from Chicago I also have to agree there. The situation is very unfortunate there, and safety unequal. The murder rate on the leafy Northside is 3 per 100,000 and then you have the West Side around Garfield Park and near South Side where it's 120+ per 100,000 . As dangerous as Tijuana.

This is a variation on the advertising that appears in every gringo in Medellin facebook group on a daily basis.

[QUOTE=Camils;2888279]Hello everyone, I am from Medelland, I offer my services as a sexual tourist guide, I have great experience and knowledge of all the sites that provide sexual services, I have contacts with girls who work in the sector and also with local girls who can only be found through networks such as Facebook, dating houses, bars, websites, etc. , in addition to knowing how to hire the services of escorts without being scammed, prioritizing security and with the maximum benefit that guarantees that the girls comply with everything they offer, you can write to me by private message for more information about this or any other service I can offer, have a good night.[/QUOTE]

The guy you met in the elevator sounds like a class A dickhead. Anyway, if you are back for another business trip and you can get away from your colleagues for two to three hours before dinner you would have time for a quick uber or taxi trip to a casa in Centro. It's very low risk and time efficient. I think it's a very good businessman's option.

[QUOTE=MichaelTaylor;2888278]I visited Medellin last week (work trip). I was hoping I'd get a few hours away from my colleagues, but I guess it was a team building trip, so we literally did everything together for 6 days. Anyway. . . Just a word or two about the area.

I stayed at a hotel in El Poblado area. A Marriot hotel. In my case, I needed to do something safe / nearby / discreet. From my perspective, the options were:

1. Jade Palace (probably a 15 min walk). Uber would be quite reasonable and well worth the price. It's hot. I don't recall the rates, but they were pretty cheap compared to the legit spas.

2. Rio Sur Mall (OM Spa for Men). Will be pricey. Expect to pay 500000 COP if you want a legit massage and full service.

3. I looked on [URL]Mileroticos.com[/URL] and found plenty of escort options, but I was just too nervous to pull it off. My hotel had a security guard at the ground floor entrance. It would have felt funny to try to sneak an obvious escort in. It looks like some of the escorts host in the El Poblado area (Near the park in El Poblado (Calle 10)). I was just too nervous going into an apartment, alone.

My Columbian colleagues told me that it's safe, but if you look like you're a foreigner (which I do), you might be targeted to get robbed in the evening. They said that guys / gangs actively look for tourists leaving nice restaurants / hotels and following them. I was there for 6 days and we walked El Poblado a whole lot. Not once did I feel unsafe. . . . but. . . We were with Columbians and travelled in a large group. At one point, I told the group I was going to walk back to the hotel (4 blocks) at 9 pm and they advised against it. I think I would have been fine, but what do I know. I'm always aware of my surroundings (even at home).

When I was in the hotel elevator, I said 'Hola' to the other person and he told me (sternly) "You don't speak Spanish to me". So there's an element that certainly hates tourists. Truth be told, I hate tourists in my town too, so I can't blame him.

I 'm a little disappointed I didn't get to give it a try, but I wanted to contribute to the forum and thank those that took the time to help me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2888177]...... It's only some foreigners, and especially some posting online that say otherwise.......[/QUOTE]Its called internet bravado. Anytime I read about some dude saying how brave he is and that he owns a gun and shit I just think that he is in reality probably the most coward and scardy cat person posting. Why would anyone volunteer info about his bravery on an anonymous board if not to escape reality?

"Where did it say that he was a sex tourist?

Is there a subtle psychotic implication somewhere in there that it would be ok if we all kill ourselves? WTF.

[QUOTE=TraveLight;2888277]
What places have you stayed, what were the pros and cons of those places? Feel free to PM, I'd love to compile the suggestions and perhaps make it into the "links to reports of distinction" thread.[/QUOTE]You need to be a subscriber or Senior member to access the private messaging system or else nobody can pm you.

[QUOTE=MichaelTaylor;2888278]
When I was in the hotel elevator, I said 'Hola' to the other person and he told me (sternly) "You don't speak Spanish to me". So there's an element that certainly hates tourists. Truth be told, I hate tourists in my town too, so I can't blame him.[/QUOTE]This is exactly how I feel when someone tries to come up to me speaking English. Like I didn't spend the last catorce fucking años aprendiendo español for some arrogant smuck to insult my intelligence, estamos en Colombia & aqui hablamos español. That is my fucking opinion and if anyone does speak English to me I usually just fucking ignore them; they're lucky to get a "como, no entiendo digame en español" out of me these days.

Are there any typos or errors Huacho? I'm sitting on top of the washer machine as I type this so it doesn't shake to holy hell during the rinse cycle LOL.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2888411]You need to be a subscriber or Senior member to access the private messaging system or else nobody can pm you.[/QUOTE]I am subscribed, at least I believe I am.

"Some of us who live here see it differently. In any case, you have to trust your instincts. Also on a more practical level it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to spend money to come to a place that makes you uneasy and afraid of your own shadow. This story has made the rounds of the major American and European media outlets for the past couple of years. I know this because people up north and in Europe who know I live here send me links like the one in your post on a regular basis. Whenever I am traveling and I mention to someone that I live in Colombia, more often than not they ask me "is it safe?" My stock response is "it's a city of two million plus people so crime is a problem and you have to take precautions. " The real answer is of course that yes it is safe for some and no it is not safe for some others. ".

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beuuMAvZvbM[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/23/world/americas/colombia-dating-apps-sedatives-deaths.html[/URL]

A man in a flamingo-patterned shirt sits in front of a white lattice fence.

Steven Valdez, 31, at his home in San Juan, Puerto Rico. The travel blogger was drugged and robbed last year in Medellíand, Colombia, after meeting a date on Tinder. Credit. Erika P. Rodríguez for The New York Times.

A Hazard for Visitors to Colombia: 'Devil's Breath'.

Powerful sedatives are behind a spate of violent crimes, USA Officials say. Many victims are Americans in Medellíand who use dating apps.

Steven Valdez, 31, at his home in San Juan, Puerto Rico. The travel blogger was drugged and robbed last year in Medellíand, Colombia, after meeting a date on Tinder. Credit. Erika P. Rodríguez for The New York Times.

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By Annie Correal and Genevieve Glatsky.

Annie Correal and Genevieve Glatsky reported from Bogotá.

Jan. 23,2024.

Updated 1:06 pm ET.

Leer en español.

Steven Valdez thought he recognized the woman in the Medellíand park. Chatting, the two realized they had matched on the dating platform Tinder. They exchanged numbers and made plans.

On their date last spring, he said the woman suggested that he try a typical Colombian dish — a creamy soup called ajiaco. She carried it from a restaurant counter to their table.

He had two spoonfuls, Mr. Valdez, 31, said. "And that's the last thing I remember. ".

Like scores of visitors to the Colombian city last year, Mr. Valdez, a travel blogger, said he was told at the hospital that he had ingested a powerful, potentially fatal cocktail of sedatives, including a drug called scopolamine.

Scopolamine makes its victims black out, and experts say it can also make them unusually open to suggestion — including agreeing to hand over a wallet or reveal passwords.

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American officials are so concerned that they issued a security alert this month about the sedatives and a wave of violent crime targeting visitors to Colombia, especially in the increasingly popular tourist destination of Medellíand, a city of 2. 6 million in a valley of the Andes Mountains.

Map locates the city of Medellíand in Colombia, as well as Bogota, the capital, south of Medellíand.

Caribbean Sea.

PANAMA.

VENEZUELA.

Medellíand.

Pacific.

Ocean.

Bogota.

Colombia.

Ecuador.

Brazil.

PERU.

200 MILES.

By The New York Times.

The USA Embassy, in a previous security alert, describes scopolamine as an "odorless, tasteless, memory-blocking substance used to incapacitate and rob unwary victims" and warns of using dating applications in Colombia or visiting nightclubs and bars.

Colombian officials say many of the incidents involve the city's sex industry.

"Unfortunately, due to word of mouth, people are identifying that in Medellíand there are pretty girls and you can party really hard at a very low cost," said Carlos Calle, who monitors the tourism industry for the city government. "Criminals are taking advantage of that. ".

ImageA man with a mustache and beard, wearing a black T-shirt, looks out a window. A residential neighborhood across the street can be seen in its reflection.

Carlos Calle monitors the tourism industry for the Medellíand city government. Credit. Federico Rios for The New York Times.

Since the pandemic, Medellíand has also drawn thousands of digital nomads seeking cultural immersion and a cheap Airbnb, and investigators and lawyers say that they, too, are being targeted on mainstream dating platforms like Tinder.

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Tinder did not respond to a request for comment.

While deaths are relatively rare, authorities in Medellíand said the number of robberies involving scopolamine and other sedatives has risen sharply in recent years, though the exact number is unknown, since many victims do not go to the police.

"There are people who feel too embarrassed because if they file a report, people will know what they were doing," said Manuel Villa Mejía, the city's security secretary.

Jorge Wilson Vélez, a forensic criminologist who works with victims and their families, said there were likely hundreds of victims last year.

Perpetrators see the robberies as a tax on tourists whom they view as wealthy and in Colombia to prey on women, Mr. Vélez said. The intent is not to kill anybody, he added. "They call it, 'giving the guys something to sleep. '.

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Last year, Medellíand saw 1. 4 million foreign visitors, nearly 40 percent of whom were American, according to city data.

Image.

People stand on a city sidewalk in front of a corner store situated under a billboard advertising beer.

Tourists in Medellíand's District 13. Credit. Federico Rios for The New York Times.

Crimes against American visitors have stirred fears in the expat community. An English-language Facebook group, Colombia Scopolamine Victims & Alerts, has about 3,800 members.

Americans are being hit, Mr. Vélez said, because they're going online "looking for company, a relationship," and especially when they go on dates alone.

Scopolamine, also known as "devil's breath," has been reported elsewhere in Latin America and beyond, with cases popping up from London to Bangkok.

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But the drug's rise in Colombia, and the embassy's warning to Americans, comes as a particular blow to a country trying hard to change its image.

Medellíand, in particular, has struggled to shed associations with drugs, violence and Pablo Escobar. The city has undergone a major transformation since the 1990's, boasting sleek museums, cafes on tree-lined streets, and the country's only metro system. While some criminal gangs remain, the city's homicide rates have plunged.

Crimes targeting tourists may tarnish that rosy picture — but so, too, do the tourists themselves, according to officials and lawyers who represent men targeted by thieves, who say some are treating Medellíand like a lurid playground.

"There's this weird mystique. You come to Medellíand, and the normal rules don't apply," said Alan Gongora, an American lawyer in Medellíand. "Like, anything is possible. '.

Some crime victims said they were just looking for a date.

Image.

A man looks at his mobile phone, his laptop open and perched on a bar in front of him.

Since the pandemic, Medellíand has drawn many digital nomads seeking cultural immersion and a cheap stay, and investigators and lawyers say that criminals are targeting them for robberies. Credit. Federico Rios for The New York Times.

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During the pandemic, Mr. Valdez left LOS Angeles, where he worked in television production, to travel and work on his blogs, including one called We Like Colombia. He was in Medellíand last May, working and taking bachata lessons, he said, when he opened Tinder to find a dance partner.

After his date with a woman who called herself Luisa, he said he woke up in his Airbnb, alone and unable to stand up. His right leg felt broken.

The police later told him his captors had beat him, likely because he had resisted being robbed, Mr. Valdez said. Hospital blood tests revealed the presence of scopolamine and another drug, clonazepam, a depressant.

He lost his phones, laptop, wallet and about $7,000, he said.

But he felt lucky to be alive.

Mr. Valdez reported the attack, and his date and several others were arrested after trying to use his bank cards to purchase appliances at a store, according to the police.

He tries to keep what happened in perspective. "I've been to Colombia, like, eight times now since the pandemic," said Mr. Valdez, who now lives in Puerto Rico. "I've seen organized crime is rampant because prices are going so high over there. You know, the regular citizens can't afford it. ".

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Criminal groups that lure victims through dating platforms are typically small, unaffiliated crews from poor neighborhoods, investigators in Medellíand said.

One 42-year-old man from New York recalled being drugged by a Tinder date who served him a rum and coke that he said knocked him out for 24 hours.

She stole his electronic devices, silver jewelry, a bank card and cash. "I thought I had lost everything," said the man, who asked to go by his initials, are. J. , to protect future job prospects. But his passport and IDs were right where he had hidden them. A police report viewed by The Times corroborated details of the crime.

Leaving a passport, investigators said, is a signature of these crimes — meant to encourage victims to leave without reporting the robbery or pressing charges.

Image.

An aerial view of a crowded hillscape in Medellíand, Colombia.

District 13, a neighborhood popular with visitors in Medellíand. The city received 1. 4 million tourists last year, nearly 40 percent from the United States. Credit. Federico Rios for The New York Times.

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Some thieves can be sophisticated.

In December, a young German scientist touring Latin America and posting videos under the name Dr. Travel said he was robbed in Medellíand by a woman he was "chatting with" after joining her and her friend for a meal.

He drank a pink soda, he said in a video, and later awoke to find his wallet and phone gone. His phone's tracking function was deactivated, his Apple ID password changed and his bank account drained. Holdings in several cryptocurrency exchanges were sold, the funds moved to other crypto wallets.

He lost more than $16,000, he said. Attempts to reach the man were unsuccessful.

Scopolamine has long been used to treat motion sickness and nausea, but became popular in larger doses around three decades ago as a recreational drug and to commit crimes, said Guillermo Castaño, a senior investigator for Colombia's science ministry.

Around 10 years ago, criminals in Colombia started using it to target tourists, Dr. Castaño said, often mixing it with benzodiazepines, depressants that typically treat insomnia and anxiety, to further incapacitate victims.

In a widely publicized case, Paul Nguyen, a 27-year-old from California, was fatally drugged by a Tinder date in Medellíand in late 2022, his body found near a dumpster. An autopsy determined he had been drugged with clonazepam, which, combined with alcohol, had caused his death.

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His date and several accomplices were arrested and are now on trial, tracked down with the help of a photo of the woman that Mr. Nguyen posted on Snapchat before he disappeared.

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A woman in a white jacket stares down at her cellphone.

Paul Nguyen took a photo of his companion on a Tinder date in Medellíand during which the authorities said he was drugged with clonazepam.

Medellíand authorities have said stopping the attacks is a top priority. Four people were recently arrested in connection with the murder of another American tourist who may have met a date online.

Still, arrests are rare.

Mr. Nguyen's mother, Kimberly Dao, said the family had to hire Mr. Vélez, the investigator, to push the police to pursue the case.

For Ms. Dao, the USA Embassy alert about online dating in Colombia is a sign the issue is being taken seriously — though she wished it had come sooner.

If it had, she said, "I would beg him, I would not let him go. ".

[QUOTE=MichaelTaylor;2888278]...At one point, I told the group I was going to walk back to the hotel (4 blocks) at 9 pm and they advised against it. I think I would have been fine, but what do I know. I'm always aware of my surroundings (even at home)..[/QUOTE]That area is safe but. There is randomness in it which is what you didn't feel.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2888177].. until you run out of luck. ....[/QUOTE]

"That area is safe but. There is randomness in it which is what you didn't feel. ".

That asian comedian that just got killed told his friends and family he never felt unsafe in MDE, ok seriously really?

Someone referenced the Hurt Locker recently.

I can remember watching the Russian Roulette scene in the Deer Hunter in a theatre in the 70's.

I can just imagine these guys arent going out with any glory!!

[URL]https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/russian-roulette-in-deer-hunter/[/URL]

I reached out to a few of the seniors here and narrowed down my stay to hotel M, especially after chatting with DiscoverFL, his insights were very helpful to me as a first timer.

I filled out the check-mig online prior to the trip. Make sure you do it because when I tried to go through gate with my digital boarding pass the gate agent sent me to another agent at the gate counter. They checked the passport and check-mig (on my phone) and issued a paper boarding pass which is their way of confirming that documents are ok.

It took me an hour and 15 minutes to complete the Immigration at Medellin because of the number of people waiting in front of me. But once an officer called me to their counter, it did not take more 2 minutes. No immigration fees for US passport holders.

I used the ATM at the airport and took out 300,000 COP, the exchange rate I got was 3. 45 which is one of the worst exchange rates in Medellin IMO, but it is still slightly better than the rate you get at the money exchange counters at the airport, on that day it was 3. 2.

I took a yellow cab to El Poblado, I asked for the charge before getting in the cab. It was 110,000 COP. I turned on the GPS on my phone before getting in so I could follow the route. But later found out that hotel M arranges airport pickup for similar charges. That's probably a better option, IMO.

The hotel is outdated, and the rooms could use new furniture, especially when you consider the room charges, but the hotel management and staff more than make up for this downside. I bugged them with so many newbie type requests every single day of my stay, but they helped me with everything with a smile. They have a decent breakfast that is included with the stay. I believe you tip extra for additional guests. The room has a safe box and I was able my keep my laptop (small 13 inches laptop anything bigger would be an issue), passport, CCs, cash in it. They don't have keycards for the room, just physical keys, it is a minor downside. The wifi was not great.

The girls hang out near the pool area in the afternoons and evenings and the adjacent bar opens at 7 pm I believe, the girls would start rolling in there. No entrance fee if you stay in M. I went there on a Saturday around 11 PM, there were about 25 girls. Sunday is their slowest day, I heard. I was pleasantly surprised with the quality. There were so many young, fit, and beautiful girls. Girls generally don't come to you unless you smile and exchange pleasantries. Some girls like to dance if you are tipping. Some like to sit with in groups. Neither the girls nor bartender pushed me for drinks. Corona was 18,000 COP (5). I was able to meet up with DiscoverFL at the bar. If you like a girl, make eye contact and when she is with you, you start the conversation about the "date". It is better to discuss the service details upfront IMO because it is legal there and avoids any confusion and upsells. The going rate for a "date" is 300,000 to 350,000 COP depending on the girl. I believe overnight rates are higher which I didn't partake in. I tried a couple of girls from the bar, I had a great experience. No clock watchers. Service included DFK, BBJ, DATY, CFS. Not sure about the multiple pops but the girls didn't get up from the bed until I was ready to hit the shower (these days I'm a one-shot guy). They even let me take some pictures (non-nude).

I also had a couple of girls from Seeking but the quality was not any better and rates were higher but nothing like the prices we pay here in the US. Honestly in hindsight it was a waste of time. Between Lleras park (I didn't go this time but I heard the prices would be lot better), hotel bar, Mileroticos we have many options there.

The hotel checks and records the IDs of all the guests including the girls from the bar. They don't check with the guests if everything was ok before letting the girls out, which I think would be a great addition of a new service if they consider do it. But then they have cameras all over and they would have the girl's information if something were to happen. That should deter anybody thinking of doing any funny business.

Starbucks, two casinos, ATMs, many different restaurants (I think I saw a Holiday Inn also) all within 3 minutes of walking distance from the hotel. One night I walked back from the casino at 2 AM. Not a smart choice on my part but I didn't sense any threat. I may not do that again though. It is a busy area till 10 PM. I filled out the check mig for the return flight, but nobody checked. Colombian girls are very beautiful and I'm already itching to plan my next trip.

If this link dump supposed to be a call to debate or a request to be talked into coming to Medellin, I'm not that guy. As the case may be, to save everyone some time, I agree with you that it is unacceptably dangerous here and you should go away or stay away and not return.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2888486]"Some of us who live here see it differently. In any case, you have to trust your instincts. Also on a more practical level it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to spend money to come to a place that makes you uneasy and afraid of your own shadow. This story has made the rounds of the major American and European media outlets for the past couple of years. I know this because people up north and in Europe who know I live here send me links like the one in your post on a regular basis. Whenever I am traveling and I mention to someone that I live in Colombia, more often than not they ask me "is it safe?" My stock response is "it's a city of two million plus people so crime is a problem and you have to take precautions. " The real answer is of course that yes it is safe for some and no it is not safe for some others. ".

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beuuMAvZvbM[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/23/world/americas/colombia-dating-apps-sedatives-deaths.html[/URL]

A man in a flamingo-patterned shirt sits in front of a white lattice fence.

Steven Valdez, 31, at his home in San Juan, Puerto Rico. The travel blogger was drugged and robbed last year in Medelland, Colombia, after meeting a date on Tinder. Credit. Erika P. Rodrguez for The New York Times.

A Hazard for Visitors to Colombia: 'Devil's Breath'.

Powerful sedatives are behind a spate of violent crimes, USA Officials say. Many victims are Americans in Medelland who use dating apps.

Steven Valdez, 31, at his home in San Juan, Puerto Rico. The travel blogger was drugged and robbed last year in Medelland, Colombia, after meeting a date on Tinder. Credit. Erika P. Rodrguez for The New York Times.

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By Annie Correal and Genevieve Glatsky.

Annie Correal and Genevieve Glatsky reported from Bogot.

Jan. 23,2024.

Updated 1:06 pm ET.

Leer en espaol.

Steven Valdez thought he recognized the woman in the Medelland park. Chatting, the two realized they had matched on the dating platform Tinder. They exchanged numbers and made plans.

On their date last spring, he said the woman suggested that he try a typical Colombian dish a creamy soup called ajiaco. She carried it from a restaurant counter to their table.

He had two spoonfuls, Mr. Valdez, 31, said. "And that's the last thing I remember. ".

Like scores of visitors to the Colombian city last year, Mr. Valdez, a travel blogger, said he was told at the hospital that he had ingested a powerful, potentially fatal cocktail of sedatives, including a drug called scopolamine.

Scopolamine makes its victims black out, and experts say it can also make them unusually open to suggestion including agreeing to hand over a wallet or reveal passwords.

ADVERTISEMENT.

SKIP ADVERTISEMENT.

American officials are so concerned that they issued a security alert this month about the sedatives and a wave of violent crime targeting visitors to Colombia, especially in the increasingly popular tourist destination of Medelland, a city of 2. 6 million in a valley of the Andes Mountains.

Map locates the city of Medelland in Colombia, as well as Bogota, the capital, south of Medelland.

Caribbean Sea.

PANAMA.

VENEZUELA.

Medelland.

Pacific.

Ocean.

Bogota.

Colombia.

Ecuador.

Brazil.

PERU.

200 MILES.

By The New York Times.

The USA Embassy, in a previous security alert, describes scopolamine as an "odorless, tasteless, memory-blocking substance used to incapacitate and rob unwary victims" and warns of using dating applications in Colombia or visiting nightclubs and bars.

Colombian officials say many of the incidents involve the city's sex industry.

"Unfortunately, due to word of mouth, people are identifying that in Medelland there are pretty girls and you can party really hard at a very low cost," said Carlos Calle, who monitors the tourism industry for the city government. "Criminals are taking advantage of that. ".

ImageA man with a mustache and beard, wearing a black T-shirt, looks out a window. A residential neighborhood across the street can be seen in its reflection.

Carlos Calle monitors the tourism industry for the Medelland city government. Credit. Federico Rios for The New York Times.

Since the pandemic, Medelland has also drawn thousands of digital nomads seeking cultural immersion and a cheap Airbnb, and investigators and lawyers say that they, too, are being targeted on mainstream dating platforms like Tinder.

ADVERTISEMENT.

SKIP ADVERTISEMENT.

Tinder did not respond to a request for comment.

While deaths are relatively rare, authorities in Medelland said the number of robberies involving scopolamine and other sedatives has risen sharply in recent years, though the exact number is unknown, since many victims do not go to the police.

"There are people who feel too embarrassed because if they file a report, people will know what they were doing," said Manuel Villa Meja, the city's security secretary.

Jorge Wilson Vlez, a forensic criminologist who works with victims and their families, said there were likely hundreds of victims last year.

Perpetrators see the robberies as a tax on tourists whom they view as wealthy and in Colombia to prey on women, Mr. Vlez said. The intent is not to kill anybody, he added. "They call it, 'giving the guys something to sleep. '.

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Last year, Medelland saw 1. 4 million foreign visitors, nearly 40 percent of whom were American, according to city data.

Image.

People stand on a city sidewalk in front of a corner store situated under a billboard advertising beer.

Tourists in Medelland's District 13. Credit. Federico Rios for The New York Times.

Crimes against American visitors have stirred fears in the expat community. An English-language Facebook group, Colombia Scopolamine Victims & Alerts, has about 3,800 members.

Americans are being hit, Mr. Vlez said, because they're going online "looking for company, a relationship," and especially when they go on dates alone.

Scopolamine, also known as "devil's breath," has been reported elsewhere in Latin America and beyond, with cases popping up from London to Bangkok.

ADVERTISEMENT.

SKIP ADVERTISEMENT.

But the drug's rise in Colombia, and the embassy's warning to Americans, comes as a particular blow to a country trying hard to change its image.

Medelland, in particular, has struggled to shed associations with drugs, violence and Pablo Escobar. The city has undergone a major transformation since the 1990's, boasting sleek museums, cafes on tree-lined streets, and the country's only metro system. While some criminal gangs remain, the city's homicide rates have plunged.

Crimes targeting tourists may tarnish that rosy picture but so, too, do the tourists themselves, according to officials and lawyers who represent men targeted by thieves, who say some are treating Medelland like a lurid playground.

"There's this weird mystique. You come to Medelland, and the normal rules don't apply," said Alan Gongora, an American lawyer in Medelland. "Like, anything is possible. '.

Some crime victims said they were just looking for a date.

Image.

A man looks at his mobile phone, his laptop open and perched on a bar in front of him.

Since the pandemic, Medelland has drawn many digital nomads seeking cultural immersion and a cheap stay, and investigators and lawyers say that criminals are targeting them for robberies. Credit. Federico Rios for The New York Times.

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SKIP ADVERTISEMENT.

During the pandemic, Mr. Valdez left LOS Angeles, where he worked in television production, to travel and work on his blogs, including one called We Like Colombia. He was in Medelland last May, working and taking bachata lessons, he said, when he opened Tinder to find a dance partner.

After his date with a woman who called herself Luisa, he said he woke up in his Airbnb, alone and unable to stand up. His right leg felt broken.

The police later told him his captors had beat him, likely because he had resisted being robbed, Mr. Valdez said. Hospital blood tests revealed the presence of scopolamine and another drug, clonazepam, a depressant.

He lost his phones, laptop, wallet and about $7,000, he said.

But he felt lucky to be alive.

Mr. Valdez reported the attack, and his date and several others were arrested after trying to use his bank cards to purchase appliances at a store, according to the police.

He tries to keep what happened in perspective. "I've been to Colombia, like, eight times now since the pandemic," said Mr. Valdez, who now lives in Puerto Rico. "I've seen organized crime is rampant because prices are going so high over there. You know, the regular citizens can't afford it. ".

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SKIP ADVERTISEMENT.

Criminal groups that lure victims through dating platforms are typically small, unaffiliated crews from poor neighborhoods, investigators in Medelland said.

One 42-year-old man from New York recalled being drugged by a Tinder date who served him a rum and coke that he said knocked him out for 24 hours.

She stole his electronic devices, silver jewelry, a bank card and cash. "I thought I had lost everything," said the man, who asked to go by his initials, are. J. , to protect future job prospects. But his passport and IDs were right where he had hidden them. A police report viewed by The Times corroborated details of the crime.

Leaving a passport, investigators said, is a signature of these crimes meant to encourage victims to leave without reporting the robbery or pressing charges.

Image.

An aerial view of a crowded hillscape in Medelland, Colombia.

District 13, a neighborhood popular with visitors in Medelland. The city received 1. 4 million tourists last year, nearly 40 percent from the United States. Credit. Federico Rios for The New York Times.

ADVERTISEMENT.

SKIP ADVERTISEMENT.

Some thieves can be sophisticated.

In December, a young German scientist touring Latin America and posting videos under the name Dr. Travel said he was robbed in Medelland by a woman he was "chatting with" after joining her and her friend for a meal.

He drank a pink soda, he said in a video, and later awoke to find his wallet and phone gone. His phone's tracking function was deactivated, his Apple ID password changed and his bank account drained. Holdings in several cryptocurrency exchanges were sold, the funds moved to other crypto wallets.

He lost more than $16,000, he said. Attempts to reach the man were unsuccessful.

Scopolamine has long been used to treat motion sickness and nausea, but became popular in larger doses around three decades ago as a recreational drug and to commit crimes, said Guillermo Castao, a senior investigator for Colombia's science ministry.

Around 10 years ago, criminals in Colombia started using it to target tourists, Dr. Castao said, often mixing it with benzodiazepines, depressants that typically treat insomnia and anxiety, to further incapacitate victims.

In a widely publicized case, Paul Nguyen, a 27-year-old from California, was fatally drugged by a Tinder date in Medelland in late 2022, his body found near a dumpster. An autopsy determined he had been drugged with clonazepam, which, combined with alcohol, had caused his death.

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His date and several accomplices were arrested and are now on trial, tracked down with the help of a photo of the woman that Mr. Nguyen posted on Snapchat before he disappeared.

Image.

A woman in a white jacket stares down at her cellphone.

Paul Nguyen took a photo of his companion on a Tinder date in Medelland during which the authorities said he was drugged with clonazepam.

Medelland authorities have said stopping the attacks is a top priority. Four people were recently arrested in connection with the murder of another American tourist who may have met a date online.

Still, arrests are rare.

Mr. Nguyen's mother, Kimberly Dao, said the family had to hire Mr. Vlez, the investigator, to push the police to pursue the case.

For Ms. Dao, the USA Embassy alert about online dating in Colombia is a sign the issue is being taken seriously though she wished it had come sooner.

If it had, she said, "I would beg him, I would not let him go. ".[/QUOTE]

It is a big safety advantage to understand that regardless of the location, stick up boys will absolutely take advantage of any opportunity to get the jump on somebody who is alone. Even for a moment. In an isolated or dark area. They will typically work as a team and often on a motorcycle for quick escape. You really have to be on guard when you are in that situation and it's better to move out of that kind of area as quickly as you can. They guy who got himself killed trying to rob people in Milla de Oro food court just days ago is a good example of that kind desperado behavior.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2888507]That area is safe but. There is randomness in it which is what you didn't feel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2888445]This is exactly how I feel when someone tries to come up to me speaking English. Like I didn't spend the last catorce fucking aos aprendiendo espaol for some arrogant smuck to insult my intelligence, estamos en Colombia & aqui hablamos espaol. That is my fucking opinion and if anyone does speak English to me I usually just fucking ignore them; they're lucky to get a "como, no entiendo digame en espaol" out of me these days.

Are there any typos or errors Huacho? I'm sitting on top of the washer machine as I type this so it doesn't shake to holy hell during the rinse cycle LOL.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]I would not use the progressive 'aprendiendo' because it does not function as a gerund in Spanish. I would say 'en aprender. '.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2888559]I would not use the progressive 'aprendiendo' because it does not function as a gerund in Spanish. I would say 'en aprender. '.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your input. When people ask how long I've been learning Spanish I usually say something like "llevo X años aprendiendo español" and I've never had anyone not understand me or correct me, but thanks for your input.

"That area is safe but. There is randomness in it which is what you didn't feel. ".

That asian comedian that just got killed told his friends and family he never felt unsafe in MDE, ok seriously really?

Someone referenced the Hurt Locker recently.

I can remember watching the Russian Roulette scene in the Deer Hunter in a theatre in the 70's.

I can just imagine these guys arent going out with any glory!!

[URL]https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/russian-roulette-in-deer-hunter/[/URL]".

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=scopolamine[/URL]+queen.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2888524]If this link dump supposed to be a call to debate or a request to be talked into coming to Medellin, I'm not that guy. As the case may be, to save everyone some time, I agree with you that it is unacceptably dangerous here and you should go away or stay away and not return.[/QUOTE]For guys who are fearful about crime in Medellin, I agree that you should not come. Guys who enjoy Medellin aren't going to try to convince you to come to Medellin. We don't care whether you come or not. In fact, like many guys, I prefer that less guys come to Colombia because it is getting too popular. I have a few friends who will never visit Colombia due to the safety issues and I don't make any effort to try to convince them otherwise.

Colombia is more dangerous than a lot of other mongering countries such as Thailand, the Philippines, Costa Rica or even Mexico. I don't think that many people would disagree. For guys who visit, it is just a matter of managing risk and being more careful.

[QUOTE=Yuvaraj;2888523]I reached out to a few of the seniors here and narrowed down my stay to hotel M, especially after chatting with DiscoverFL, his insights were very helpful to me as a first timer.

I filled out the check-mig online prior to the trip. Make sure you do it because when I tried to go through gate with my digital boarding pass the gate agent sent me to another agent at the gate counter. They checked the passport and check-mig (on my phone) and issued a paper boarding pass which is their way of confirming that documents are ok.

It took me an hour and 15 minutes to complete the Immigration at Medellin because of the number of people waiting in front of me. But once an officer called me to their counter, it did not take more 2 minutes. No immigration fees for US passport holders.

I used the ATM at the airport and took out 300,000 COP, the exchange rate I got was 3. 45 which is one of the worst exchange rates in Medellin IMO, but it is still slightly better than the rate you get at the money exchange counters at the airport, on that day it was 3. 2..[/QUOTE]Hotel M is a good bet for first timers. The girls are known by the hotel and the hotel can probably track down any girl giving you trouble. However, the girls won't try anything because they know that the hotel knows who they are. Plenty of choices at the bar and pool. I think it is a good place to start for newbies. Some guys don't move from there at all. There are also a lot of other mongers who are willing to chat with you and share info.

I didn't start out at Hotel M because I felt comfortable on my own but I have been doing this for a while. Hotel M is not the cheapest or best hotel to stay but it has some advantages.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2888626]Thanks for your input. When people ask how long I've been learning Spanish I usually say something like "llevo X aos aprendiendo espaol" and I've never had anyone not understand me or correct me, but thanks for your input.[/QUOTE]Certainly they would understand the progressive tense. But for example, to say something like "reading is good" or "learning is good," that's the infinitive. "Leer es bueno. " Basically in Spanish, to use the progressive, the action has to be in progress at that moment. If I'm asked what I am doing in Colombia, it's not "Estoy estudiando" but rather the simple indicative, "Estudio. " because I'm not studying at that exact moment. And Colombians aren't going to correct your Spanish. And as far as how long you've been studying, "hace X años que ESTUDestudioIO."

[QUOTE=Huacho;2888840]Certainly they would understand the progressive tense. But for example, to say something like "reading is good" or "learning is good," that's the infinitive. "Leer es bueno. " Basically in Spanish, to use the progressive, the action has to be in progress at that moment. If I'm asked what I am doing in Colombia, it's not "Estoy estudiando" but rather the simple indicative, "Estudio. " because I'm not studying at that exact moment. And Colombians aren't going to correct your Spanish. And as far as how long you've been studying, "hace X aos que ESTUDestudioIO."[/QUOTE]Yea I would never say "leyendo es bueno" that just sounds wrong. I would say something like "es bueno leer" (it is good to read). So the correct answer if someone asks me how long I've been learning Spanish is to say "llevo X años en aprender español"? Next time I'm talking with an indriver or something I'll try saying it that way instead.

Gracias Maestro Huacho.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2888840]And Colombians aren't going to correct your Spanish.[/QUOTE]Strangers won't, but friends will.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2888819]For guys who are fearful about crime in Medellin, I agree that you should not come. Guys who enjoy Medellin aren't going to try to convince you to come to Medellin. We don't care whether you come or not. In fact, like many guys, I prefer that less guys come to Colombia because it is getting too popular. I have a few friends who will never visit Colombia due to the safety issues and I don't make any effort to try to convince them otherwise.

Colombia is more dangerous than a lot of other mongering countries such as Thailand, the Philippines, Costa Rica or even Mexico. I don't think that many people would disagree. For guys who visit, it is just a matter of managing risk and being more careful.[/QUOTE]I feel the same way, I don't care if anyone comes or not, but it's just a little annoying reading about it. Locals are the worst because they'll tell you an area is super dangerous but then you go there and it feels just like everywhere else and even they've never had any problems.

Ultimately, if you go looking for trouble, you're more likely to find it. Searching for quick and easy sex? Well you're going to come across a problem eventually more than likely. I try to do find semi-pros rather than straight up pros because they're easier to sus out I feel.

There's no such thing as no risk in life. Also people can calculate for certain risks but some are unavoidable. Is investing in index funds risky? Well it's more risky than CDS and less than buying individual stocks but what choice do you have? Keep the money under your mattress and let inflation eat it?

Is traveling to Colombia for women risky? Well yes but what's the alternative? Sit around in a rich country where women are delusional, bored in a dark room on a screen all day in the name of "safety"? No thanks, for me that's already death.

I agree. I felt that I made the right decision by starting with Hotel M. I just thought sharing my viewpoint as a first timer for the benefit of anyone considering / planning their first trip. I really liked the area where Hotel M is. If I can find a similar hotel but with more modern finish within 5 minutes of walking distance, that would be my ideal second time hotel which I'm thinking of in Spring.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2888822]Hotel M is a good bet for first timers. The girls are known by the hotel and the hotel can probably track down any girl giving you trouble. However, the girls won't try anything because they know that the hotel knows who they are. Plenty of choices at the bar and pool. I think it is a good place to start for newbies. Some guys don't move from there at all. There are also a lot of other mongers who are willing to chat with you and share info.

I didn't start out at Hotel M because I felt comfortable on my own but I have been doing this for a while. Hotel M is not the cheapest or best hotel to stay but it has some advantages.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2888869]Strangers won't, but friends will.[/QUOTE]And remember guys any stranger calling you "my friend" in English is not your fucking friend.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2888840]Certainly they would understand the progressive tense. But for example, to say something like "reading is good" or "learning is good," that's the infinitive. "Leer es bueno. " Basically in Spanish, to use the progressive, the action has to be in progress at that moment. If I'm asked what I am doing in Colombia, it's not "Estoy estudiando" but rather the simple indicative, "Estudio. " because I'm not studying at that exact moment. And Colombians aren't going to correct your Spanish. And as far as how long you've been studying, "hace X aos que ESTUDestudioIO."[/QUOTE]I know Google translate isn't perfect but it shows "I've been learning" as "he estado aprendiendo". Also I've never had any Spanish friends correct me for saying this either. I know that "estaba trabajando" is "I was working" and that's correct.

I am trying to find Hotel M on the map or on Expedia but I can't seem to. Is this the Hotel M (la mansion)?

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2888822]Hotel M is a good bet for first timers. The girls are known by the hotel and the hotel can probably track down any girl giving you trouble. However, the girls won't try anything because they know that the hotel knows who they are. Plenty of choices at the bar and pool. I think it is a good place to start for newbies. Some guys don't move from there at all. There are also a lot of other mongers who are willing to chat with you and share info.

I didn't start out at Hotel M because I felt comfortable on my own but I have been doing this for a while. Hotel M is not the cheapest or best hotel to stay but it has some advantages.[/QUOTE]

My buddy is arriving Monday and his airbnb account got flagged for "suspicious activity" and cancelled his reservation, blocked his account, nightmare.

Can someone please mention the guest friendly hotels that can be booked short notice? He will be there for 8 nights. I have heard Energy living is only booked through airbnb, true? I recommended Hotel Dorado in Laureles but hopefully more is out there. Now I will be checking my airbnb reservation daily until I return in late Feb.

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2888947]My buddy is arriving Monday and his airbnb account got flagged for "suspicious activity" and cancelled his reservation, blocked his account, nightmare.

Can someone please mention the guest friendly hotels that can be booked short notice? He will be there for 8 nights. I have heard Energy living is only booked through airbnb, true? I recommended Hotel Dorado in Laureles but hopefully more is out there. Now I will be checking my airbnb reservation daily until I return in late Feb.[/QUOTE]Why doesn't he just use VRBO isn't that like the same shit as Airbnb?

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2888947]My buddy is arriving Monday and his airbnb account got flagged for "suspicious activity" and cancelled his reservation, blocked his account, nightmare.

Can someone please mention the guest friendly hotels that can be booked short notice? He will be there for 8 nights. I have heard Energy living is only booked through airbnb, true? I recommended Hotel Dorado in Laureles but hopefully more is out there. Now I will be checking my airbnb reservation daily until I return in late Feb.[/QUOTE]Or just make a new Airbnb account using a different email address and different card. It's not rocket science.

Just open a new airbnb account. You might have to use a different payment method and e-mail address.

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2888947]My buddy is arriving Monday and his airbnb account got flagged for "suspicious activity" and cancelled his reservation, blocked his account, nightmare.

Can someone please mention the guest friendly hotels that can be booked short notice? He will be there for 8 nights. I have heard Energy living is only booked through airbnb, true? I recommended Hotel Dorado in Laureles but hopefully more is out there. Now I will be checking my airbnb reservation daily until I return in late Feb.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2888917]I know Google translate isn't perfect but it shows "I've been learning" as "he estado aprendiendo". Also I've never had any Spanish friends correct me for saying this either. I know that "estaba trabajando" is "I was working" and that's correct.[/QUOTE]Yea maybe Huacho is wrong. Or he's just going off of pure text book rules and not actually how people speak in real life. I've always used "estaba durmiendo" or "estaba dormido" to say I was sleeping. Although since living here I've picked up "me quedé dormido. " in Spanish there are multiple ways to say the same thing. I don't think one is necessarily more correct than the other, just how in Colombia it's "la nevera" but in Mexico it's "el refri" there's more than one way to say the same thing.

Not only that but there's shit you can't even learn from the text books at all. Such as a paisa will substitute the word "amigo" with the word "parce" and a Venezuelan will use the word "pana" for "amigo" and it's not pano for a male it's pana for both males and females.. Are you gonna say that's incorrect too Huacho?

-Gabacho

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2888947]My buddy is arriving Monday and his airbnb account got flagged for "suspicious activity" and cancelled his reservation, blocked his account, nightmare.

Can someone please mention the guest friendly hotels that can be booked short notice? He will be there for 8 nights. I have heard Energy living is only booked through airbnb, true? I recommended Hotel Dorado in Laureles but hopefully more is out there. Now I will be checking my airbnb reservation daily until I return in late Feb.[/QUOTE]Try San Peter Apartments in Laureles. I always stay there for a few days. Guest friendly with a valid Colombian ID and no chica fee.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2888926]I am trying to find Hotel M on the map or on Expedia but I can't seem to. Is this the Hotel M (la mansion)?[/QUOTE]Hotel M 
.

Carrera 43 # 2 sur - 50, Medellin. Colombia
.

Phone: +1 312 546 4301.

Email: [EMAIL]info@hotelmedellinm.com[/EMAIL].

Website: [URL]http://hotelmedellinm.com/[/URL].

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;2889076]Try San Peter Apartments in Laureles. I always stay there for a few days. Guest friendly with a valid Colombian ID and no chica fee.[/QUOTE]I never stay in these places so I don't really know or care but I do have a question to which the answer may help other guys who do stay there. When you say a valid Colombian ID does this mean only a Colombiana with a cedula de ciudadania or does this also include other forms of ID issued by the Colombian government such as a Venezuelan with a valid PPT or cedula de extranjeria?

Asking for guys who may want to stay at San Peter Apartments and might want to bring a vennie back to their place.

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;2889076]Try San Peter Apartments in Laureles. I always stay there for a few days. Guest friendly with a valid Colombian ID and no chica fee.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.laurelessuites.com/[/URL]
Just 2 blocks away from la 70 so quieter

[QUOTE=GangsterDog;2870430]So I've been planning this trip for 2 years now but I couldn't find anyone to go until now. Finally bought my ticket.

I will be there from Dec 11th - 17th.

Main priorities are Guatape, Loutron, Cerro El Picacho, Energy Spa, New Life, La Isla, Fase Dos, Luna Lunera, Comuna 13, Want to do a Colombian Party bus.

And Crepes and Waffles (LOL).

Definitely bar hopping all 7 of these days. If anyone wants to join for a beer I'm down.

I've been messaging Facebook girls for a while now. How much should I quote them?

Also any tips? Will probably end up at Gustos one day cause the first 3 days will be in Laureles then Poblado the last 3 days.[/QUOTE]Any spot in particular that you enjoyed?

Thanks, I appreciate it!

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;2889077]Hotel M 
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Carrera 43 # 2 sur - 50, Medellin. Colombia
.

Phone: +1 312 546 4301.

Email: [EMAIL]info@hotelmedellinm.com[/EMAIL].

Website: [URL]http://hotelmedellinm.com/[/URL].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2889078]... or does this also include other forms of ID issued by the Colombian government such as a Venezuelan with a valid PPT or cedula de extranjeria?
Asking for guys who may want to stay at San Peter Apartments and might want to bring a vennie back to their place.[/QUOTE]

San Peter will accept an original Venezuelan passport, even if the date has expired. However, they will not grant entry with the temporary IDs issued by the Colombian government to some Venezuelan refugees on the grounds that they are too readily forged.

Crepes and Waffles, LOL!, that is a good one. You gave me a good laugh.

[QUOTE=GangsterDog;2870430]So I've been planning this trip for 2 years now but I couldn't find anyone to go until now. Finally bought my ticket.

I will be there from Dec 11th - 17th.

Main priorities are Guatape, Loutron, Cerro El Picacho, Energy Spa, New Life, La Isla, Fase Dos, Luna Lunera, Comuna 13, Want to do a Colombian Party bus.

And Crepes and Waffles (LOL).

Definitely bar hopping all 7 of these days. If anyone wants to join for a beer I'm down.

I've been messaging Facebook girls for a while now. How much should I quote them?

Also any tips? Will probably end up at Gustos one day cause the first 3 days will be in Laureles then Poblado the last 3 days.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jbj64;2889079][URL]https://www.laurelessuites.com/[/URL]
Just 2 blocks away from la 70 so quieter[/QUOTE]There are two issues. One is that there is construction with renovating an older building into more units by the owner so there is construction noise in the daytime at times. Second, there is no security at all, no doorman, no reception area. So you do lose any type of protection against druggings and robberies.

So I wouldn't recommend it to those not experienced in Medellin but if you take proper safeguards and you have been to Medellin a few times, it can be a good place to stay once the construction is finished later this year or so.

Hello Fellow ISGers.

I wanted some of your thoughts whether or not one should consider some girls from FB as possibilities for scoping us? I know the golden rules are do not ever get girls from Tinder, or other similar dateing apps, but FB is not really a "dating app" per se. I know many of us on here, including myself, have had good experiences on FB and never had any issues, but I am wondering if I should take extra precaution here as well. Has anyone had any stories of friends getting drugged, specifically from Facebook girls? Thanks your inputs are appreciated.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2889325]Hello Fellow ISGers.

I wanted some of your thoughts whether or not one should consider some girls from FB as possibilities for scoping us? I know the golden rules are do not ever get girls from Tinder, or other similar dateing apps, but FB is not really a "dating app" per se. I know many of us on here, including myself, have had good experiences on FB and never had any issues, but I am wondering if I should take extra precaution here as well. Has anyone had any stories of friends getting drugged, specifically from Facebook girls? Thanks your inputs are appreciated.[/QUOTE]I think that there are some Facebook profiles that look more fake than others, and so if you have no other ways of knowing that chica then I would be careful. However, many of them have multiple other gringos or whatevers as friends, so when a profile shows up and you have 40 friends in common it is likely she has been in the business for a while, and knows a few other mongers who you also may know. Anyway. Friends in common, real looking pictures of family, etc. , long time on Facebook, not a brand new account. Lots of ways of doing some screening.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2889325]Hello Fellow ISGers.

I wanted some of your thoughts whether or not one should consider some girls from FB as possibilities for scoping us? I know the golden rules are do not ever get girls from Tinder, or other similar dateing apps, but FB is not really a "dating app" per se. I know many of us on here, including myself, have had good experiences on FB and never had any issues, but I am wondering if I should take extra precaution here as well. Has anyone had any stories of friends getting drugged, specifically from Facebook girls? Thanks your inputs are appreciated.[/QUOTE]


Zeos about summed it up . You have to consider it is always a possibility that you can get scoped by anyone but in my opinion it is less likely to happen with an FB chica. I suggest you gather at least a hundred or more FB prepagos before reaching out.

Yet again if you are new to the FB scene than you may not have the resources to tell a fake profile from a old scanky prepago LOL. That is the difference bettween an FB and a Tinder profile. FB chica's profiles are more complex and than a Tinder profile and so its easier to spot a fake one. Often times with the FB chicas I have 20 or more mutual friends. Also you can see on many profiles their photos through the years and see photos where the chica is standing with another known prepago. That being said I have around 2000 FB chicas friends in medellin so I can usually tell. Many of the younger chicas are not into posting photos. FB is old fashion to them and they are strung out on that Tik Tok dope. Which defeats their purpose if they are serious about making money but I guess they are not so I stay wary of them.

I personally feel that one of the best precautions you can take is to stay in a building that has professional security where they make a copy of the chicas identification and keep iot when they have them sign in.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2889382]Zeos about summed it up . You have to consider it is always a possibility that you can get scoped by anyone but in my opinion it is less likely to happen with an FB chica. I suggest you gather at least a hundred or more FB prepagos before reaching out.

Yet again if you are new to the FB scene than you may not have the resources to tell a fake profile from a old scanky prepago LOL. That is the difference bettween an FB and a Tinder profile. FB chica's profiles are more complex and than a Tinder profile and so its easier to spot a fake one. Often times with the FB chicas I have 20 or more mutual friends. Also you can see on many profiles their photos through the years and see photos where the chica is standing with another known prepago. That being said I have around 2000 FB chicas friends in medellin so I can usually tell. Many of the younger chicas are not into posting photos. FB is old fashion to them and they are strung out on that Tik Tok dope. Which defeats their purpose if they are serious about making money but I guess they are not so I stay wary of them.

I personally feel that one of the best precautions you can take is to stay in a building that has professional security where they make a copy of the chicas identification and keep iot when they have them sign in.[/QUOTE]This is very good advice from both you and Zeos. We always talk about staying far away from Tinder, but FB safety is not mentioned. I have been going to Medellin for about 5 years and mongered for 15 years so I am not new to the game. I guess I was also just more curious to see if anyone had heard of druggings specifically from FB but it seems like not so much an issue. It's a great point you make and agree that one of the best things you can do is stay at a place that takes their ID. This is is why I always stay at Hotel DuParc which does do this and has cameras with a doorman. In most of the druggings I have seen commentary on many druggings in Medellin and the victim is not in a secure building with these security measures.
Also, I like both of your points about staying away from fake or suspicious, making sure you have some mutual FB friends in common. , I will not befriend profiles that look new, suspicous, etc and will always mandate a video call before I go out with a girl to make sure it is not fake. Any more mongers tips or experiences much appreciated.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2889388]This is very good advice from both you and Zeos. We always talk about staying far away from Tinder, but FB safety is not mentioned. I have been going to Medellin for about 5 years and mongered for 15 years so I am not new to the game. I guess I was also just more curious to see if anyone had heard of druggings specifically from FB but it seems like not so much an issue. It's a great point you make and agree that one of the best things you can do is stay at a place that takes their ID. This is is why I always stay at Hotel DuParc which does do this and has cameras with a doorman. In most of the druggings I have seen commentary on many druggings in Medellin and the victim is not in a secure building with these security measures.
Also, I like both of your points about staying away from fake or suspicious, making sure you have some mutual FB friends in common. , I will not befriend profiles that look new, suspicous, etc and will always mandate a video call before I go out with a girl to make sure it is not fake. Any more mongers tips or experiences much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Something I forgot to mention about Facebook is that the friends thing is less than reliable on its own. There are chicas that seem to be selling and buying, or lending, access to friend lists, and a chica sending you a friend request and who already has other friends in common still might be a bad person. So if I get a friend request I also look at everything else, her posts, etc. Etc. And if it is a bare minimum account with only pictures of the chica herself it is a no go as far as accepting them as a friend. I'm not terribly active with my Facebook stuff for Medellin, so most of my friends there are from a few years back, and once in a while I get a friend request from a friend of one of those. Some are legit I think, others I'm not so sure. In any case even if I think they are legit and probably fine I let them age for a while. I'm not there anyway at the moment, and so not trying to arrange anything with any of them anyway.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2889455]Something I forgot to mention about Facebook is that the friends thing is less than reliable on its own. There are chicas that seem to be selling and buying, or lending, access to friend lists, and a chica sending you a friend request and who already has other friends in common still might be a bad person. So if I get a friend request I also look at everything else, her posts, etc. Etc. And if it is a bare minimum account with only pictures of the chica herself it is a no go as far as accepting them as a friend. I'm not terribly active with my Facebook stuff for Medellin, so most of my friends there are from a few years back, and once in a while I get a friend request from a friend of one of those. Some are legit I think, others I'm not so sure. In any case even if I think they are legit and probably fine I let them age for a while. I'm not there anyway at the moment, and so not trying to arrange anything with any of them anyway.[/QUOTE]There was just a Facebook chica I was reaching out to last week trying to set up a cita to fuck her and I have like 20 amigas en comun with her and I personally have already fucked some of the girls in some of the pictures she posted recently so I figured she would be cool.

When she messaged me back she said she only does trios with her other friend and I said I don't like trios that I only wanted to see her and she straight up said no. Then like a cpl days later (I'm seeing all her pics and stories now even though she hasn't accepted the friend request I sent her) I see this picture she posted with like 3 other vennies and a vennie dude and they literally have like all these gram bags of tussi (like literally 10 or 12 baggies of tussi with little cartoon characters on the baggies) like as if they are selling it.

So I instantly saw atleast like 3 red flags there with her.

1.) that she only does trios this means that she was most likely planning to rob me or this is what she does to her other clients that actually agree to the trio.

2.) the fact she is selling tussi means she's a drug dealer and not just a working girl so she probably has questionable morals.

3.) the fact she was so quick to say no when I said I just wanted to see her, rather than arrange to meet in Centro and go to a short time hotel shows that she in fact is robbing people with her friends.

And also from her pics it looks like she works in Poblado so we probably wouldn't have been able to come to an agreement on price anyways as I usually tell all the poblado girls to fuck off when they quote me 250 mil.

Also I asked my homegirl Fifi (who I've known since 2022 and trust) about her and as soon as I told her about the trio thing and her saying she won't see me sola, she told me to stop messaging her. So I believe Fifi was thinking this bytxh was up to no good as well. Needless to say I blocked the bytxh after that.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2889455]Something I forgot to mention about Facebook is that the friends thing is less than reliable on its own. There are chicas that seem to be selling and buying, or lending, access to friend lists, and a chica sending you a friend request and who already has other friends in common still might be a bad person. So if I get a friend request I also look at everything else, her posts, etc. Etc. And if it is a bare minimum account with only pictures of the chica herself it is a no go as far as accepting them as a friend. I'm not terribly active with my Facebook stuff for Medellin, so most of my friends there are from a few years back, and once in a while I get a friend request from a friend of one of those. Some are legit I think, others I'm not so sure. In any case even if I think they are legit and probably fine I let them age for a while. I'm not there anyway at the moment, and so not trying to arrange anything with any of them anyway.[/QUOTE]I give up on Facebook it's just a waste of time. Almost all the chicas I added a few months back already added me back. I messaged them and mostly just left me on read or just told me that they are only selling content.

There's this one chica that's really hot and I wanted to fuck, but after I added her, Facebook suggested me 'similar friends' that I may know of. First thing I noticed is 2 other different FB accounts with different names but the same photos from the first chick that I added. So now I'm friends with this chica with same photos, different names but on 3 separate accounts. I just give up LOL.

Seeking has been more reliable with me and will always be. My current roster are all from seeking and I will use that platform for a while.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2889634]I give up on Facebook it's just a waste of time. Almost all the chicas I added a few months back already added me back. I messaged them and mostly just left me on read or just told me that they are only selling content.

There's this one chica that's really hot and I wanted to fuck, but after I added her, Facebook suggested me 'similar friends' that I may know of. First thing I noticed is 2 other different FB accounts with different names but the same photos from the first chick that I added. So now I'm friends with this chica with same photos, different names but on 3 separate accounts. I just give up LOL.

Seeking has been more reliable with me and will always be. My current roster are all from seeking and I will use that platform for a while.[/QUOTE]Sorry you had a bad experience with FB for mongering but for many members on the site it has paid dividends. Problem is that it does take more work sometimes in the beginning to weed out the fake profiles, delete the gals only looking for content, and getting a good roster can take time. I must say that Seeking is not point and click and I have been a paid member for many years. You have many flakes, fake profiles, and girls that want to charge high amounts in Medellin so that discouraged me somewhat also. So, if you are patient, can navigate and disregard the BS both of these sites can be a good avenue to meet gals. I must say that my preferred method is just going down to Parque Lleras at night and working the clubs and gals congregating on sidewalks. Got to love Medellin!

Medellin or Tijuana guys?

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2889650]Sorry you had a bad experience with FB for mongering but for many members on the site it has paid dividends. Problem is that it does take more work sometimes in the beginning to weed out the fake profiles, delete the gals only looking for content, and getting a good roster can take time. I must say that Seeking is not point and click and I have been a paid member for many years. You have many flakes, fake profiles, and girls that want to charge high amounts in Medellin so that discouraged me somewhat also. So, if you are patient, can navigate and disregard the BS both of these sites can be a good avenue to meet gals. I must say that my preferred method is just going down to Parque Lleras at night and working the clubs and gals congregating on sidewalks. Got to love Medellin![/QUOTE]If you're not willing to put in some time, looking for girls on Facebook won't work that well. If you're arriving in Medellin and searching when you are in town for a week, it's not going to work. You need to take some while you're home to do the work and find the type of girls that you want to see. Everyone differs in how they screen them. The most basic is when I see a FB profile and there is not much posted or just one picture, I usually pass. It's an art not a science.

If you want easy with no effort, stick to the casas, streetwalkers and girls at the bars and strip clubs. Nothing wrong with that and you get to see the girl in person before you take her.

I have months before my trips so I have time to do some research on Facebook and with each trip, your stable of FB girls gets better and better.

Tijuana, and be sure to share your experiences in that forum.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2889724]Medellin or Tijuana guys?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Camils;2888279]Hello everyone, I am from Medelln, I offer my services as a sexual tourist guide, I have great experience and knowledge of all the sites that provide sexual services, I have contacts with girls who work in the sector and also with local girls who can only be found through networks such as Facebook, dating houses, bars, websites, etc, in addition to knowing how to hire the services of escorts without being scammed, prioritizing security and with the maximum benefit that guarantees that the girls comply with everything they offer, you can write to me by private message for more information about this or any other service I can offer, have a good night.[/QUOTE]I tried sending you a message but it says I can't send you a PM.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2889724]Medellin or Tijuana guys?[/QUOTE]Why choose? Do both! LOL.

I'm dreading the flights but I'm heading out to Tijuana from the east coast for a very long weekend and then heading to Medellin for another 8 days.

I've spent a lot of time in both locales over the last 10 years and I think MDE wins hands down. Virtually every reason I could give you is subjective. But for me, it's nearly unanimous. I really only added Tijuana to my upcoming trip due to nostalgia. I had so many great nights there. But I am thinking this is my last visit to Tijuana. I still like Tijuana, but given the cost, the service and the fact I prefer paisas to the Mexicanas, it's time to close that chapter.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2889756]Why choose? Do both! LOL.

I'm dreading the flights but I'm heading out to Tijuana from the east coast for a very long weekend and then heading to Medellin for another 8 days.

I've spent a lot of time in both locales over the last 10 years and I think MDE wins hands down. Virtually every reason I could give you is subjective. But for me, it's nearly unanimous. I really only added Tijuana to my upcoming trip due to nostalgia. I had so many great nights there. But I am thinking this is my last visit to Tijuana. I still like Tijuana, but given the cost, the service and the fact I prefer paisas to the Mexicanas, it's time to close that chapter.[/QUOTE]Plus in Tijuana, atleast in my experience the girls are alot more strict about using condoms versus in Colombia where its basically like condoms are just optional.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2889756]Why choose? Do both! LOL.

I'm dreading the flights but I'm heading out to Tijuana from the east coast for a very long weekend and then heading to Medellin for another 8 days.

I've spent a lot of time in both locales over the last 10 years and I think MDE wins hands down. Virtually every reason I could give you is subjective. But for me, it's nearly unanimous. I really only added Tijuana to my upcoming trip due to nostalgia. I had so many great nights there. But I am thinking this is my last visit to Tijuana. I still like Tijuana, but given the cost, the service and the fact I prefer paisas to the Mexicanas, it's time to close that chapter.[/QUOTE]Also in Tijuana the girls feel more mechanical and out of sync during the experience, kind of like you're just fucking a doll or something. They also tend to charge extra for each and every little thing and you end up paying alot more money for crappier service. Not to mention the usd / mxn exchange rate has gone to shit making Mexico overpriced.

In Colombia, on the other hand, the girls are actual people and it doesn't feel like you are fucking a doll it feels like you are fucking a real person, also they don't charge extra to remove their clothes or to suck your dick or even to let you do DATY on them, which most in Tijuana won't allow but with those nasty hairy bushes and vertical see-section scars and malos olores, you should probably skip that in Tijuana.

Here is Colombia the girls are much cleaner, much happier, and actually enjoy doing their jobs, and you get everything included with full nudity and your dick sucked for about $10 usd in plaza botero.

No my friends, there is no comparison, Tijuana is a dirty overpriced shit hole. It's literally San Diego's toilet that backs up and overflows into imperial beach whenever it rains LOL. Medellin is a million times better, hands down.

-Gabacho Out.

[QUOTE=Magma5108;2889749]I tried sending you a message but it says I can't send you a PM.[/QUOTE]If I were you I would be very leery of asking that guy to set you up with anyone. For all you know he could be one of the guys who pay the girls to scope and rob gringos and you could be obliviously walking right into his fucking trap.

I'm actually quite intrigued that the admins even allow him to advertise his services on ISG, even if he doesn't have bad intentions his services would still amount to pimping and pandering if he gets any kind of financial kick back for helping you, and I highly doubt he is doing it out of the goodness of his heart LOL.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2889730]If you're not willing to put in some time, looking for girls on Facebook won't work that well. If you're arriving in Medellin and searching when you are in town for a week, it's not going to work. You need to take some while you're home to do the work and find the type of girls that you want to see. Everyone differs in how they screen them. The most basic is when I see a FB profile and there is not much posted or just one picture, I usually pass. It's an art not a science.

If you want easy with no effort, stick to the casas, streetwalkers and girls at the bars and strip clubs. Nothing wrong with that and you get to see the girl in person before you take her.

I have months before my trips so I have time to do some research on Facebook and with each trip, your stable of FB girls gets better and better.[/QUOTE]Hey Moon Shot had a question.

I'm working on growing my list of friends on Facebook. Have you found that the girls that sell content on their pages are more likely or less likely to meet for presencial p4 p.

Thanks for info!

The best pussy to price ratio is to be found in Bratislava and the women are gorgeous. However, they are not, and never will be, hot blooded latinas. For hot blooded latinas, MDE is about as good as it gets. Tijuana is disgusting.

I would like to check this off the bucket list. Any recommendations?

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2889756]Why choose? Do both! LOL.

I'm dreading the flights but I'm heading out to Tijuana from the east coast for a very long weekend and then heading to Medellin for another 8 days.

I've spent a lot of time in both locales over the last 10 years and I think MDE wins hands down. Virtually every reason I could give you is subjective. But for me, it's nearly unanimous. I really only added Tijuana to my upcoming trip due to nostalgia. I had so many great nights there. But I am thinking this is my last visit to Tijuana. I still like Tijuana, but given the cost, the service and the fact I prefer paisas to the Mexicanas, it's time to close that chapter.[/QUOTE]I would take this as a plus for Medellin. So far its Medellin 2, Tijuana 1. I will let you guys decide for me. You are right but the one that gets the most votes I'll do first.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2889744]Tijuana, and be sure to share your experiences in that forum.[/QUOTE]Anyone who has read my posts over the years will know that your exhortation is unnecessary.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2889724]Medellin or Tijuana guys?[/QUOTE]To put this question into perspective, would you rather eat a steak from Outback Steakhouse or from Cattleman's?

Tijuana = Outback.

Medellin = Cattleman's.

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2889871]Hey Moon Shot had a question.

I'm working on growing my list of friends on Facebook. Have you found that the girls that sell content on their pages are more likely or less likely to meet for presencial p4 p.

Thanks for info![/QUOTE]The ones selling content are morons. Just block them and move on to the next one. This way you weed out all the stupid ones and you are left with the ones that are serious.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2889938]For hot blooded latinas, MDE is about as good as it gets. Tijuana is disgusting.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree with you more!

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2889871]Hey Moon Shot had a question.

I'm working on growing my list of friends on Facebook. Have you found that the girls that sell content on their pages are more likely or less likely to meet for presencial p4 p.

Thanks for info![/QUOTE]There are some girls who are just interested in selling content. If so, I just delete them. There are also girls who try to sell you content but are also interested in meeting you if you say no. I usually just say I am not interested in buying content but if you would like to meet when I am in Medellin, it is possible. If they say yes, then we can negotiate the terms as my trip gets closer. There is really no reason to negotiate terms too far ahead of your trip. Girls are much more interested in someone who is coming to Medellin soon.

I have had good sessions with girls that I have met who also tried to sell me content so it is not a red flag to me.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2889990]I couldn't agree with you more![/QUOTE]Really I think the pussy is slightly better in Bogotá but I don't want to freeze my jones off. Bogotá is a bit too high to qualify.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2890190]"Why choose? Do both! LOL.

I'm dreading the flights but I'm heading out to Tijuana from the east coast for a very long weekend and then heading to Medellin for another 8 days.

I've spent a lot of time in both locales over the last 10 years and I think MDE wins hands down. Virtually every reason I could give you is subjective. But for me, it's nearly unanimous. I really only added Tijuana to my upcoming trip due to nostalgia. I had so many great nights there. But I am thinking this is my last visit to Tijuana. I still like Tijuana, but given the cost, the service and the fact I prefer paisas to the Mexicanas, it's time to close that chapter. ".

Some of the best pussy in the fucking world can be found in Tijuana, MDE quality is not that different.

But I like the weather much better in Tijuana (beach too).

The food is fucking amazing the best in the world.

The putas have never ever scammed me there.

And its so damn easy to get there.

Oh and if you're a monger theres about 0% chance you will return in a body bag, or at all!!

If I could live in Tijuana or anywhere in Colombia, Tijuana wins hands down.

I rather be a few minutes from the border than an international flight away.

World class medical care is extremely important to me, and don't tell me its pretty good in Colombia LMAO compared to what?[/QUOTE]This is a strong positive for Tijuana. It seems to be Medellin 5, Tijuana 3.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2877012]Why does this seem to be so difficult for you guys? Seems like every couple months someone posts about this.

Everytime you buy a new phone or bring in a phone from out of country you have to register the IMEI of said phone. Not sure about Movistar but with Tigo and Claro you can do this yourself within the miTigo or mi Claro app.

It is a relatively simple process that asks for your cedula number if you are a citizen or passport number if you are a foreigner. There is no need to have someone from the cell phone store do it for you and there is no need to keep buying a new sim card every few months. I have had the same Tigo sim card now since early 2022 and I have used it in various different phones.
[/QUOTE]I am calling BS on this. It is not a relatively simple process! I have tried for a half an hour and Claro App will not let me get through the registration process by using my US cell number and passport. You have to have a Claro number or a Claro Sim card in order to create an account! That is why we are having so much trouble with it. My next trip down I will get a Claro Sim card and try again.
I just tried again to register , this time on the on Tigo app and same thing, it refused to let me. So apparently you can bring a US phone in to the country but you have to have an existing Claro or Tigo number in order to register the new phone that you just brought in from the US.
El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2889724]Medellin or Tijuana guys?[/QUOTE]This is not even a question. Medellin hands down. I don't care what anyone says LOL.

As far as my experience goes, I will never get tired of paisas. They got the best pussy in the world. Even when I was Mexico, I was still banging Colombianas there. Every single paisas gave me the GFE experience and sex did not feel mechanical unlike, mexicanas which most of them are. They loved sex as much as we do and I love hearing paisas when they moans in the bed, they have the sexiest accent. Cost wise, Medellin beats Tijuana easy. I do live in the East coast so MDE is just 6 hours away.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2890290]I am calling BS on this. It is not a relatively simple process! I have tried for a half an hour and Claro App will not let me get through the registration process by using my US cell number and passport. You have to have a Claro number or a Claro Sim card in order to create an account! That is why we are having so much trouble with it. My next trip down I will get a Claro Sim card and try again.

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]Of course you need a Claro Sim and Claro phone number to use the claro app to register your phone. And if you had a Tigo sim card and phone number then you would use the Tigo app.

I think you misunderstood something in the process. If you don't have Claro then why the hell would you be using the Claro app? That's like if you had Verizon and we're trying to use the T-Mobile app.

The process is very simple I will outline it for you agn.

1.) When you are physically in Colombia purchase a Claro sim card and put a cheap plan on it at the claro store or gana or wherever (there's plans available from 3 mil to 31 mil pesos).

2.) Slap the sim card into your phone and you should have signal and data and be able to place phone calls and send/rec SMS to Colombian numbers.

3.) Now download the MiClaro App from the Playstore or Apple.

4.) Use your new phone number to register the app to your account.

5.) Within the app there will be the option to register the IMEI number of your phone with your passport or cedula so that it doesn't get blocked.

Make sure you do this within 30 days of first using the phone in Colombia or it will be blocked.

If you choose to use Tigo then the process is pretty much the same but the app is called MiTigo.

Any other questions?

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[QUOTE=Gabacho;2890295]Of course you need a Claro Sim and Claro phone number to use the claro app to register your phone. And if you had a Tigo sim card and phone number then you would use the Tigo app.

I think you misunderstood something in the process. If you don't have Claro then why the hell would you be using the Claro app? That's like if you had Verizon and we're trying to use the T-Mobile app.

The process is very simple I will outline it for you agn.

1.) When you are physically in Colombia purchase a Claro sim card and put a cheap plan on it at the claro store or gana or wherever (there's plans available from 3 mil to 31 mil pesos).

2.) Slap the sim card into your phone and you should have signal and data and be able to place phone calls and send/rec SMS to Colombian numbers.

3.) Now download the MiClaro App from the Playstore or Apple.

4.) Use your new phone number to register the app to your account.

5.) Within the app there will be the option to register the IMEI number of your phone with your passport or cedula so that it doesn't get blocked.

Make sure you do this within 30 days of first using the phone in Colombia or it will be blocked.

If you choose to use Tigo then the process is pretty much the same but the app is called MiTigo.

Any other questions?[/QUOTE]Thank you, sir. You are correct! I was under the incorrect assumption that I could register my phone and then buy a Sim card for a Colombian number. Obviously, as you just explained, that is backwards. I will try on my next trip and let you know. Thanks again for your help, I am a slow learner ha ha.

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2890290]I am calling BS on this. It is not a relatively simple process! I have tried for a half an hour and Claro App will not let me get through the registration process by using my US cell number and passport. You have to have a Claro number or a Claro Sim card in order to create an account! [/QUOTE]LOL. How are you trying to register a phone without a SIM and phone number? I agree that it is not a simple process. I could not do it on the app either, after the lady at the store told me there was no need to do it.

I bought my SIM in July and Saturday I finally got the dreaded message that if I did not register my phone by February 16 it would be blocked on their network. I immediately went to a huge Claro store in the biggest mall in Barranquilla. The lady told me it was not a service center and I would need to go to the service center Monday. The first thing Monday I went and it took the lady like 10 minutes to register my phone and passport number in the system. No Claro employee ever said you can just do it in the app. And if it took her 10 minutes on their own company computer, it does not seem simple at all.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2890327]Thank you, sir. You are correct! I was under the incorrect assumption that I could register my phone and then buy a Sim card for a Colombian number. Obviously, as you just explained, that is backwards. I will try on my next trip and let you know. Thanks again for your help, I am a slow learner ha ha.

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]I will add to Gabacho's advise. If you go to a Claro store they will register the phone for you when you purchase a sim card or an E-sim. To be clear, it has to be an actual Claro owned store, most of the stores with Claro signs are just authorized retailers and can NOT register the phone for you or install an E-sim.

[QUOTE=Shoman;2889955]I would like to check this off the bucket list. Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]I had a nuru session with FS a few weeks ago in Toronto believe it or not. Nuru is an Asian thing so they do it best.

Arrived Saturday night late and stayed in Rionegro to pick up my rental car on Sunday. Was waiting for my ride to the hotel within 20 minutes after the door opened, short line. Learned upon arrival that my luggage took a detour. Finally got it Sunday night.

Had a lunch invitation in Envigado at Restaurante Viejo John, right off the park. Very popular place with a long line waiting for a table. Fortunately, my hosts were already seated. Excellent comida tipica and prices seemed reasonable, although I never saw the check. If you like Colombian food, it's worth a visit.

Monday night was date night. Made the mistake of trying Denver Grill in La Strada. Not worth it. There's a small gas grill in the middle of each table. If you order a steak, you cook it yourself on the grill. So far, not bad, until the 2 ribeyes showed up. Steaks were less than a half inch thick. Convenient for quick grilling, but not worth the 110 k each price tag. Came with 1 small side dish. Food was good, just not much for the price.

Last night I visited La Mayoria in the hills above Envigado. It's a large place which is probably packed on the weekends, although not many people there on Tuesday. Friday through Sunday they have horse shows of various types at the restaurant. I chose what was described as a thick cut sirloin and got a thick cut sirloin that may have been the best steak I've had in Medellin. Service was good and good views. Long ride by taxi, but it's only 12 minutes away from where I'm staying.

Monday night exposed my date to the bar at the Mansion. Only 2 girls there when we arrived, 1 more came in a few minutes later. There were no other customers. Bartender was cute, as were 2 of the 3 girls. The third girl looked pretty rough. Stayed for 1 drink before heading to La Isla. When we left it was only the doorman, the bartender and 1 girl in the bar.

Arrived at La Isla before 10 pm, lots of girls, no customers. They now charge 100 k cover for a girl, 50 k for guys. I'm glad they weren't doing that last year when I took 3 girls. The club slowly filled with customers, although not a big crowd. Two guys were periodically making it rain, which drew almost all the girls. Almost all the customers were gringos. As for the girls, they came in all shapes and sizes. Quite a few with grossly over inflated (to me) tits and asses. Quite a few were all natural. There are always enough options to satisfy most tastes.

Can't help much with lodging, because I'm staying at an apartment in the hills above Envigado, which my hosts had available. I didn't want to stay here, but they insisted. It's free, stocked with plenty of food and wine, in a quiet location, and comfortable, but it's not exactly a convenient location. I've been grabbing breakfast or lunch with friends and have a family barbecue to attend tomorrow night. Leaving on Saturday night on the last flight out.

Learned a lesson tonight. Had a girl say "mi hora es $X. " Seemed like she might be saying "mi hora" in the sense of my time, so I clarified saying I'd pay her for her time but might be longer than an hour or less than an hour, and I didn't want to be rushed. I thought it was pretty clear, she said okay. Sure enough, we meet, we chat, she takes photos of course, she shows me her TikTok, she cleans herself, and then as we're getting started she informs me of the time and is looking to get double her rate. I just had her finish me orally and got her out of there as quick as possible. One of the nice things about Medellin is you don't get the clock watchers as much as American providers, but should have recognized hora for the red flag that it was. I'm just ghosting any girls that use hora in the future, like as if they cited me their American dollar rate.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2890386]...Envigado at Restaurante Viejo John, right off the park. [/QUOTE]I think that is by Sabaneta Park, good food, large portion. There is a la gloria de gloria in Envigato that is popular with ribs and huge chicharon.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2890292]This is not even a question. Medellin hands down. I don't care what anyone says LOL.

As far as my experience goes, I will never get tired of paisas. They got the best pussy in the world. Even when I was Mexico, I was still banging Colombianas there. Every single paisas gave me the GFE experience and sex did not feel mechanical unlike, mexicanas which most of them are. They loved sex as much as we do and I love hearing paisas when they moans in the bed, they have the sexiest accent. Cost wise, Medellin beats Tijuana easy. I do live in the East coast so MDE is just 6 hours away.[/QUOTE]I think there are a couple good reasons why Paisas are in fact the best. Primarily, imo, it's because the chicas here look at each of us as a potential reoccuring revenue source. Whereas in most other countries I've played the game the girls are trying to figure out how to do the least and still get the money for the one trick. They never seem to think past that one first meeting. Dumbasses. Here the chicas always ask questions to figure out how good of a future revenue stream you may become. Are they just smarter? No I think it's a cultural thing. They learn from a young age that a guy takes care of a female financially. And as they get of age they look for those sources of financial help. Gringos are a perfect fit for their mindset. And so they want us to enjoy our time together and then blow up our phones begging for more sessions. At least that's my experience. I've almost never had mechanical sex here like I've had in many other countries. Day and night difference with the paisas.

I arrived at MDE tonight at about 8:15 on Copa. The line at immigration was approximately 70-80 people. It moved fairly fast. I was through it in about 20 minutes. The bags from my flight had already arrived. The bus to San Diego was almost full, so only had to wait a little while for it to leave. The bus fare is now 15,500. They also accept payment with a Metro card. Before I left the US, I used Ding to add data and minutes to my Colombian number. It's cheap. I paid for 6 days with 1g of data. Total cost was $2.68. When I arrived at MDE, everything was working. I received a message from Claro that I had added 7 days with 2g of data.

Just want to submit a PSA of sorts for anyone looking for STD testing. I use Proanalab to get tested every year or so. Whatsapp +57 321 743 0433. A 4 part panel "muestras de sangre" for HIV / Clamidia / Herpes / Sifilis is 236 mil if you visit their lab at carrera 49 #60-05 just a couple blocks north of Parque Bolivar. Or 256 mil domicillio. Same day results for HIV and 3 days for the other tests. Just FYI.

I'm a bit confused on how to safely solo travel. I've heard that you should find girls online before arriving to plan, then again meeting girls online is how you get scammed? Was thinking of making a Facebook with my real face but fake name and adding girls. Or tinder.

Then there's the possibility of being drugged. Should I completely avoid all drinks that are poured even if out at a restaurant and bar, and bring my own unopened water from a market?

Finally, should I request the girl to shower with soap and rinse with mouthwash, while watching her physically do this?

As for these "short hour hotels", I should do homework and find secure ones that have guards plus tip them to make sure I don't end up a statistic?

I arrived in MDE tonight but forgot to pack boxers (don't ask how please) I am pretty close to unicentro Laureles. Anyone know of a store or stores around Laureles that sales mens boxers / briefs? Also, I am looking for a mini 2 serving indoor grill, something like a mini george foreman. Anyone know where I can find one of these at? I will go and check out Exito as I have to make my first run there upon entering the city anyways.

Please help LOL.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2890253]This is a strong positive for Tijuana. It seems to be Medellin 5, Tijuana 3.[/QUOTE]I was in Rio not that long ago. People rave that the beaches in Copacabana and Ipanema are the best in the world. There are upwards of 40 million people living within 100 miles. You think they will vote / mention there favorite spots? Yep but it does not make it so. Outside Rio there are much nicer beaches. IMHO I lived in Baja for 6 years. Beaches there are nice compared to the desert here in Las Vegas. When I finally made it to Colombia. It was, still is beyond comparison to Tijuana. Only the drunken debauchery and memories in Tijuana can compare. But alas the reality of "the way it was" is a lot different then those fond select memories and. Things have changed. SAVE your memories, don't pollute them by returning to disappointment. LOL Enjoy Medellin & all of Colombia.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2890386]Arrived Saturday night late and stayed in Rionegro to pick up my rental car on Sunday. Was waiting for my ride to the hotel within 20 minutes after the door opened, short line. Learned upon arrival that my luggage took a detour. Finally got it Sunday night.

Had a lunch invitation in Envigado at Restaurante Viejo John, right off the park. Very popular place with a long line waiting for a table. Fortunately, my hosts were already seated. Excellent comida tipica and prices seemed reasonable, although I never saw the check. If you like Colombian food, it's worth a visit.

Monday night was date night. Made the mistake of trying Denver Grill in La Strada. Not worth it. There's a small gas grill in the middle of each table. If you order a steak, you cook it yourself on the grill. So far, not bad, until the 2 ribeyes showed up. Steaks were less than a half inch thick. Convenient for quick grilling, but not worth the 110 k each price tag. Came with 1 small side dish. Food was good, just not much for the price.

Last night I visited La Mayoria in the hills above Envigado. It's a large place which is probably packed on the weekends, although not many people there on Tuesday. Friday through Sunday they have horse shows of various types at the restaurant. I chose what was described as a thick cut sirloin and got a thick cut sirloin that may have been the best steak I've had in Medellin. Service was good and good views. Long ride by taxi, but it's only 12 minutes away from where I'm staying.

Monday night exposed my date to the bar at the Mansion. Only 2 girls there when we arrived, 1 more came in a few minutes later. There were no other customers. Bartender was cute, as were 2 of the 3 girls. The third girl looked pretty rough. Stayed for 1 drink before heading to La Isla. When we left it was only the doorman, the bartender and 1 girl in the bar.

Arrived at La Isla before 10 pm, lots of girls, no customers. They now charge 100 k cover for a girl, 50 k for guys. I'm glad they weren't doing that last year when I took 3 girls. The club slowly filled with customers, although not a big crowd. Two guys were periodically making it rain, which drew almost all the girls. Almost all the customers were gringos. As for the girls, they came in all shapes and sizes. Quite a few with grossly over inflated (to me) tits and asses. Quite a few were all natural. There are always enough options to satisfy most tastes.

Can't help much with lodging, because I'm staying at an apartment in the hills above Envigado, which my hosts had available. I didn't want to stay here, but they insisted. It's free, stocked with plenty of food and wine, in a quiet location, and comfortable, but it's not exactly a convenient location. I've been grabbing breakfast or lunch with friends and have a family barbecue to attend tomorrow night. Leaving on Saturday night on the last flight out.[/QUOTE]Nice review! You arrived too early for the action. Mansion bar doesn't get going til after 10 PM and La Isla doesn't get going til midnight.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2890468]I was in Rio not that long ago. People rave that the beaches in Copacabana and Ipanema are the best in the world. There are upwards of 40 million people living within 100 miles. You think they will vote / mention there favorite spots? Yep but it does not make it so. Outside Rio there are much nicer beaches. IMHO I lived in Baja for 6 years. Beaches there are nice compared to the desert here in Las Vegas. When I finally made it to Colombia. It was, still is beyond comparison to Tijuana. Only the drunken debauchery and memories in Tijuana can compare. But alas the reality of "the way it was" is a lot different then those fond select memories and. Things have changed. SAVE your memories, don't pollute them by returning to disappointment. LOL Enjoy Medellin & all of Colombia.[/QUOTE]Medellin 8, Tijuana 3. Unless there is a dramatic change in forum opinions I'd soon be booking my umpteenth trip to Medellin. First to Medellin since covid struck and the second to Colombia since then.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2890406]I think that is by Sabaneta Park, good food, large portion. There is a la gloria de gloria in Envigato that is popular with ribs and huge chicharon.[/QUOTE]You are correct. It was Sabaneta park.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2890435]I'm a bit confused on how to safely solo travel. I've heard that you should find girls online before arriving to plan, then again meeting girls online is how you get scammed? Was thinking of making a Facebook with my real face but fake name and adding girls. Or tinder.

Then there's the possibility of being drugged. Should I completely avoid all drinks that are poured even if out at a restaurant and bar, and bring my own unopened water from a market?

Finally, should I request the girl to shower with soap and rinse with mouthwash, while watching her physically do this?

As for these "short hour hotels", I should do homework and find secure ones that have guards plus tip them to make sure I don't end up a statistic?[/QUOTE]Probably not the place for you.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2890435]I'm a bit confused on how to safely solo travel. I've heard that you should find girls online before arriving to plan, then again meeting girls online is how you get scammed? Was thinking of making a Facebook with my real face but fake name and adding girls. Or tinder.

Then there's the possibility of being drugged. Should I completely avoid all drinks that are poured even if out at a restaurant and bar, and bring my own unopened water from a market?

Finally, should I request the girl to shower with soap and rinse with mouthwash, while watching her physically do this?

As for these "short hour hotels", I should do homework and find secure ones that have guards plus tip them to make sure I don't end up a statistic?[/QUOTE]I'll try to address as many of your questions as possible. Some I can't help much with because I'm no longer searching for new girls in Medellin.

There are pluses and minuses to using Facebook. A big plus is you can fairly quickly find hundreds of potential dates. A big downside is, unless you use a separate device, which has no connections to any of your other accounts, or phone number, the people on your main Facebook account will eventually get some bleed over from your mongering account. I've had a few friends and family members complain about getting friend requests from Colombian girls. Go to the "Links to Reports of Distinction" thread and search for "Facebook" to find some step by step guides. Avoid Tinder.

Your risk of being drugged at a bar or restaurant, when you are alone is very low. I've never hesitated to drink whatever I wanted while out alone. However, when you are with someone, there's always a chance they will slip something in your drink, if you leave it unattended, or are distracted. One strategy is to minimize your drinking, drink slowly, small sips and to always keep your drink within sight and out of easy reach for anyone else. Avoid drinking to excess. If a girl is pushing you to drink that's a red flag. If, while you are setting up the date, the girl mentions drinking, another red flag. You're paying the girl to fuck, not to drink your booze.

Showering with a girl is excellent for foreplay, plus it ensures both of you are fresh and clean. Before the girl arrives you should secure all valuables, leaving out only what you need to pay her. Otherwise, your pants with all your stuff in the pockets, might get left where she can clean you out.

There are 2 different categories of short time hotels. In the first are the short time hotels, mostly in El Centro, where you would take street girls. You're unlikely to find any security there. You also won't be taking any Facebook girls to any of those places.

Love Motels are the other type. You also won't find anyone to tip, however, in most your risks are low. Motel Ibiza is probably the nicest. It's expensive, but a good place.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2890524]Nice review! You arrived too early for the action. Mansion bar doesn't get going til after 10 PM and La Isla doesn't get going til midnight.[/QUOTE]I knew it would be slow, but it was a convenient place to wait for La Isla to open. I think we left La Isla at 12:30. Cops were set up on Las Palmas just after the driveway. Pulled me in and spent about 2 minutes staring at my license before letting us go.

Final update before I left Medellin last Fri.

Since I stayed close to 5 Months, I confirmed w / the inmigracióand officer at the airport upon departure if I can return to complete the remainder of my visa in few days and they said no prob. Made it to Miami this week and extended / renewd my passport, tomorrow heading to BOG for few weeks, then Brazil. From BOG flights are half the cost to BRA vs FL, plus after so many months in mde it's only fair to go say Hello, to few hunnies in BOG before I leave Colombia for a while.

I know some of you vets already know this, but since most new travelers are concerned with online / app meets due to fear, I figured this would help. We all know El Poblado is expensive and a tourist trap, strip clubs arent for everyone and shady, most don't like the Centro street rats, many of us don't like the casas, so I discovered one addl great option for chicas.

En El Centro right in front of Hilton Grill club, and in both sides of that entire street, I discovered that all those bars have "bar girls". When you walk and pass by after 5-6 p you will see 5-10 girls in each bar sitting alone waiting for men. These girls are independent, cleaner chicas working, and even with my extensive experience in mde I never knew that. But I guess since I gave up on tinder and avoiding danger with online setups I started searching for more bars and in person interactions. So I spoke w some of those girls, and I was quoted 35 k bar take out fee, plus the girls could charge 150-200 k / HR, or more / less depending on her. I even asked why not 50 k like the street girls. They laughed and said most only date 1 guy or none for the night, they don't walk the street. The pretty street girls would bang 5-10 dudes a day, and it's rushed. In the bars, you get to sit in a clean environment, drink, converse, dance, and it was so worth it. I've seen many 7-9's, no seriously, def can compete with Lleras chicas, all dressed up and I think 150-200 k is fair plus seeing new fresh faces was quite a relief in that area. The few I banged were top shelf!! Wow.

Couple weeks ago one of my old novias tried to set me up, after we broke up and haven't spoken for over a month. She called and said a family member of her was kidnapped by gangs, and wanted me to help. She showed up at my apt ringing the bell without an invite, thankfully I had already moved. She came several times. I declined to help and suggested the police, she insisted they wouldn't help. I said how could I help? I'm no super ninja nor a fucking bank acct you can just call only when you need money, besides I never met that fam member, so this aint my prob. Sent those exact words. I had to make the shit clear. The audacity. But I'm quite certain it was a set up based on her prev sneaky ways. Once befofe, she sent me a video of a building on fire, said it was an arson in one of the apts from her neighborhood causing many people to be homeless, and askd if I could donate. I replied and said I will pray for those people. Of course I confirmed video was fake and old but didn't tell her that. I simply said I don't do charity, and I'm not Joe Biden. The only people I give change and some money to are the indigenous homeless I see in the streets that the Colombians treat like second class citizens. Otherwise these hoz must earn every fucking penny. I was so done with hoz that I stopped being over generous like no longer over-tip in restaurants or taxis, if no locals tip I don't tip either LOL. Fuck yall.

When I try to be polite, they think I'm easy till I tell them to fuck off then they get it. So fellas don't be a nice guy or even appear to be one.

Lastly, ran into many pedos, yes some of yall deserve to be scoped and drugged. Right in the middle of botero plaza, the police often have a van that says "proteccióand infantil" / child protection, looking for you dumb mfrs. I bumped at least 3 times into some dudes, having a long 5+ minutes convo with some minors, appears to be so, then they'd either call me to say Hello, with a fist pump / handshake, and obviously first thing I'd do is asking the girls how old are you, 17,16, then fuckers would make a face as if they didn't know. Like if you approach a young girl, first thing you should ask is her age, then maybe even proceed asking for an ID, etc. So why would you be standing there chatting for more than 2 minutes? You walk the fuck away from a minor. It's disgusting and happening in both Lleras and Centro. One old fart past 60 was bragging and dancing on how many young virgins he scored in couple years. As if it's his life's best accomplishment LOL, spend hrs and days hunting them online first. Like my dude most normal men have had those in middle school and high school years bruh. You are late at 60 sir. Like most awkward encounters and losers I come accross during my travels are always sex-deprived men, those who never got married or never had a real GF, doesn't know shit about women, and actually think they're players now paying for sex. Total fucking lunatics.

I think Medellin is a beautiful city and still a gem but clearly there are better spots that are less tense. I stopped few buddies that were on their way to visit, I asked them to slightly increase their budget and meet in BRA instead LOL.

Have fun and be safe!

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2890652]Final update before I left Medellin last Friday

En El Centro right in front of Hilton Grill club, and in both sides of that entire street, I discovered that all those bars have "bar girls". When you walk and pass by after 5-6 p you will see 5-10 girls in each bar sitting alone waiting for men. These girls are independent, cleaner chicas working, and even with my extensive experience in mde I never knew that. But I guess since I gave up on tinder and avoiding danger with online setups I started searching for more bars and in person interactions. So I spoke w some of those girls, and I was quoted 35 k bar take out fee, plus the girls could charge 150-200 k / HR, or more / less depending on her. I even asked why not 50 k like the street girls. They laughed and said most only date 1 guy or none for the night, they don't walk the street. The pretty street girls would bang 5-10 dudes a day, and it's rushed. In the bars, you get to sit in a clean environment, drink, converse, dance, and it was so worth it. I've seen many 7-9's, no seriously, def can compete with Lleras chicas, all dressed up and I think 150-200 k is fair plus seeing new fresh faces was quite a relief in that area.

Have fun and be safe![/QUOTE]I have been talking about the bar scene in that area for quite some time. I have never taken one from the bar as I just like to dance with these girls. A drink for them or you is 6 K. I have been in most of them and Bar Madrid is the best one.

Going through the forum but hoping for guidance. Thinking of my 1st MDE trip, flights are $300's while my other targets BOG, CAR, Tijuana, Brazil, western Euro are all $800 up to $1600 so I'd rather spend the difference on girls.

Suggestions on a simple 3-4 day. I had awesome times in Bogota & Cartagena. Found girl friendly hotels close to the clubs and were modern enough, safe. I'm too lazy to do the Facebook scene and staying short time only.

Any recs on where to stay that's close to the clubs, while modern, "safe, & girl friendly?

My plan would be to go to the clubs the first night. Have 2 or 3 girls separately. And then repeat them during the day time, adding more on following nights.

Whats current ask price? I was able to get 300-400 K in CAR clubs per 45 min, 150 K in SF clubs for 20 min.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2890468]I was in Rio not that long ago. People rave that the beaches in Copacabana and Ipanema are the best in the world. There are upwards of 40 million people living within 100 miles. You think they will vote / mention there favorite spots? Yep but it does not make it so. Outside Rio there are much nicer beaches. IMHO I lived in Baja for 6 years. Beaches there are nice compared to the desert here in Las Vegas. When I finally made it to Colombia. It was, still is beyond comparison to Tijuana. Only the drunken debauchery and memories in Tijuana can compare. But alas the reality of "the way it was" is a lot different then those fond select memories and. Things have changed. SAVE your memories, don't pollute them by returning to disappointment. LOL Enjoy Medellin & all of Colombia.[/QUOTE]Your words really struck me, enough to change my flights. LOL. I was going to visit Tijuana but it was all about the nostalgia. While Medellin does not have a Hong Kong, it's also true that HK is not what it once was. And when I thought about it, there's not even one aspect where Tijuana beats Medellin. So I changed my flights and even added a few days extra hahaha but my entire trip will be in MDE.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2890652]I think Medellin is a beautiful city and still a gem but clearly there are better spots that are less tense. I stopped few buddies that were on their way to visit, I asked them to slightly increase their budget and meet in BRA instead LOL.

Have fun and be safe![/QUOTE]Sao Paulo / Rio is a paradise, a little warmer and humid. Airbnb's cheaper, girls also but the girls are well, Brazilian! My plan is to enjoy Brazil's Costa Do Sul with a date. Today I just read there's a heavy rain warning there. LOL maybe in April. Enjoy!

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2890788]Sao Paulo / Rio is a paradise, a little warmer and humid. Airbnb's cheaper, girls also but the girls are well, Brazilian! My plan is to enjoy Brazil's Costa Do Sul with a date. Today I just read there's a heavy rain warning there. LOL maybe in April. Enjoy![/QUOTE]Yea but what about that new stupid entry requirement where you have to show them 6 months of bank statements and have a balance of over $2000 usd and pay an $85 fee??

I think that's going to be a deal breaker for a lot of guys who may be on a tight budget.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2890647] the first are the short time hotels, mostly in El Centro, where you would take street girls. You're unlikely to find any security there. You also won't be taking any Facebook girls to any of those places.
.[/QUOTE]I have specifically had Facebook girls meet me at parque berrio metro station and then taken them to Hotel Botero Real or Hotel Pasaje Real. I think some other poster also mentioned they do the same too.

In fact that is alot safer than bringing them to your actual place where you live or stay at.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2890647]
There are 2 different categories of short time hotels. In the first are the short time hotels, mostly in El Centro, where you would take street girls. You're unlikely to find any security there. You also won't be taking any Facebook girls to any of those places.[/QUOTE]If the original poster is concerned about being scoped and / or robbed by a Facebook girl, I would in fact recommend my method of having the Facebook girl meet him at parque berrio metro station and then take her to hotel botero real.

That way he can leave his personal belongings back at his main hotel or Airbnb and only bring his burner phone and enough cash to pay the Chica and the pieza and there is nothing extra that can be stolen from him as all his other stuff is back safe at the other place.

Also don't drink anything tell her it's sex for money there is no fucking beer involved LOL. If she wants the money she will understand and if not then that means she was up to no good. Pretty simple process.

This discovery is documented extensively in years of posts in this forum. Also mentioned many times in this forum. It's best to avoid heavy drinking while navigating Centro.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2890739]I have been talking about the bar scene in that area for quite some time. I have never taken one from the bar as I just like to dance with these girls. A drink for them or you is 6 K. I have been in most of them and Bar Madrid is the best one.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2890652]Final update before I left Medellin last Fri.

Since I stayed close to 5 Months, I confirmed w / the inmigraciand officer at the airport upon departure if I can return to complete the remainder of my visa in few days and they said no prob. Made it to Miami this week and extended / renewd my passport, tomorrow heading to BOG for few weeks, then Brazil. From BOG flights are half the cost to BRA vs FL, plus after so many months in mde it's only fair to go say Hello, to few hunnies in BOG before I leave Colombia for a while.

I know some of you vets already know this, but since most new travelers are concerned with online / app meets due to fear, I figured this would help. We all know El Poblado is expensive and a tourist trap, strip clubs arent for everyone and shady, most don't like the Centro street rats, many of us don't like the casas, so I discovered one addl great option for chicas.

En El Centro right in front of Hilton Grill club, and in both sides of that entire street, I discovered that all those bars have "bar girls". When you walk and pass by after 5-6 p you will see 5-10 girls in each bar sitting alone waiting for men. These girls are independent, cleaner chicas working, and even with my extensive experience in mde I never knew that. But I guess since I gave up on tinder and avoiding danger with online setups I started searching for more bars and in person interactions. So I spoke w some of those girls, and I was quoted 35 k bar take out fee, plus the girls could charge 150-200 k / HR, or more / less depending on her. I even asked why not 50 k like the street girls. They laughed and said most only date 1 guy or none for the night, they don't walk the street. The pretty street girls would bang 5-10 dudes a day, and it's rushed. In the bars, you get to sit in a clean environment, drink, converse, dance, and it was so worth it. I've seen many 7-9's, no seriously, def can compete with Lleras chicas, all dressed up and I think 150-200 k is fair plus seeing new fresh faces was quite a relief in that area. The few I banged were top shelf!! Wow.

Couple weeks ago one of my old novias tried to set me up, after we broke up and haven't spoken for over a month. She called and said a family member of her was kidnapped by gangs, and wanted me to help. She showed up at my apt ringing the bell without an invite, thankfully I had already moved. She came several times. I declined to help and suggested the police, she insisted they wouldn't help. I said how could I help? I'm no super ninja nor a fucking bank acct you can just call only when you need money, besides I never met that fam member, so this aint my prob. Sent those exact words. I had to make the shit clear. The audacity. But I'm quite certain it was a set up based on her prev sneaky ways. Once befofe, she sent me a video of a building on fire, said it was an arson in one of the apts from her neighborhood causing many people to be homeless, and askd if I could donate. I replied and said I will pray for those people. Of course I confirmed video was fake and old but didn't tell her that. I simply said I don't do charity, and I'm not Joe Biden. The only people I give change and some money to are the indigenous homeless I see in the streets that the Colombians treat like second class citizens. Otherwise these hoz must earn every fucking penny. I was so done with hoz that I stopped being over generous like no longer over-tip in restaurants or taxis, if no locals tip I don't tip either LOL. Fuck yall.

When I try to be polite, they think I'm easy till I tell them to fuck off then they get it. So fellas don't be a nice guy or even appear to be one.

Lastly, ran into many pedos, yes some of yall deserve to be scoped and drugged. Right in the middle of botero plaza, the police often have a van that says "protecciand infantil" / child protection, looking for you dumb mfrs. I bumped at least 3 times into some dudes, having a long 5+ minutes convo with some minors, appears to be so, then they'd either call me to say Hello, with a fist pump / handshake, and obviously first thing I'd do is asking the girls how old are you, 17,16, then fuckers would make a face as if they didn't know. Like if you approach a young girl, first thing you should ask is her age, then maybe even proceed asking for an ID, etc. So why would you be standing there chatting for more than 2 minutes? You walk the fuck away from a minor. It's disgusting and happening in both Lleras and Centro. One old fart past 60 was bragging and dancing on how many young virgins he scored in couple years. As if it's his life's best accomplishment LOL, spend hrs and days hunting them online first. Like my dude most normal men have had those in middle school and high school years bruh. You are late at 60 sir. Like most awkward encounters and losers I come accross during my travels are always sex-deprived men, those who never got married or never had a real GF, doesn't know shit about women, and actually think they're players now paying for sex. Total fucking lunatics.

I think Medellin is a beautiful city and still a gem but clearly there are better spots that are less tense. I stopped few buddies that were on their way to visit, I asked them to slightly increase their budget and meet in BRA instead LOL.

Have fun and be safe![/QUOTE]I tell you these girls are brazen as hell. They must watch a lot of Hollywood movies. My friends kidnapped, condos on fire, mother has cancer. They must think we are complete idiots. I agree with the tipping, F 'them unless you have a guy working for you getting food at other restaurants while you drink somewhere else.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2890652]Final update before I left Medellin last Fri.

Since I stayed close to 5 Months, I confirmed w / the inmigraciand officer at the airport upon departure if I can return to complete the remainder of my visa in few days and they said no prob. Made it to Miami this week and extended / renewd my passport, tomorrow heading to BOG for few weeks, then Brazil. From BOG flights are half the cost to BRA vs FL, plus after so many months in mde it's only fair to go say Hello, to few hunnies in BOG before I leave Colombia for a while.

I know some of you vets already know this, but since most new travelers are concerned with online / app meets due to fear, I figured this would help. We all know El Poblado is expensive and a tourist trap, strip clubs arent for everyone and shady, most don't like the Centro street rats, many of us don't like the casas, so I discovered one addl great option for chicas.

En El Centro right in front of Hilton Grill club, and in both sides of that entire street, I discovered that all those bars have "bar girls". When you walk and pass by after 5-6 p you will see 5-10 girls in each bar sitting alone waiting for men. These girls are independent, cleaner chicas working, and even with my extensive experience in mde I never knew that. But I guess since I gave up on tinder and avoiding danger with online setups I started searching for more bars and in person interactions. So I spoke w some of those girls, and I was quoted 35 k bar take out fee, plus the girls could charge 150-200 k / HR, or more / less depending on her. I even asked why not 50 k like the street girls. They laughed and said most only date 1 guy or none for the night, they don't walk the street. The pretty street girls would bang 5-10 dudes a day, and it's rushed. In the bars, you get to sit in a clean environment, drink, converse, dance, and it was so worth it. I've seen many 7-9's, no seriously, def can compete with Lleras chicas, all dressed up and I think 150-200 k is fair plus seeing new fresh faces was quite a relief in that area. The few I banged were top shelf!! Wow.

Couple weeks ago one of my old novias tried to set me up, after we broke up and haven't spoken for over a month. She called and said a family member of her was kidnapped by gangs, and wanted me to help. She showed up at my apt ringing the bell without an invite, thankfully I had already moved. She came several times. I declined to help and suggested the police, she insisted they wouldn't help. I said how could I help? I'm no super ninja nor a fucking bank acct you can just call only when you need money, besides I never met that fam member, so this aint my prob. Sent those exact words. I had to make the shit clear. The audacity. But I'm quite certain it was a set up based on her prev sneaky ways. Once befofe, she sent me a video of a building on fire, said it was an arson in one of the apts from her neighborhood causing many people to be homeless, and askd if I could donate. I replied and said I will pray for those people. Of course I confirmed video was fake and old but didn't tell her that. I simply said I don't do charity, and I'm not Joe Biden. The only people I give change and some money to are the indigenous homeless I see in the streets that the Colombians treat like second class citizens. Otherwise these hoz must earn every fucking penny. I was so done with hoz that I stopped being over generous like no longer over-tip in restaurants or taxis, if no locals tip I don't tip either LOL. Fuck yall.

When I try to be polite, they think I'm easy till I tell them to fuck off then they get it. So fellas don't be a nice guy or even appear to be one.

Lastly, ran into many pedos, yes some of yall deserve to be scoped and drugged. Right in the middle of botero plaza, the police often have a van that says "protecciand infantil" / child protection, looking for you dumb mfrs. I bumped at least 3 times into some dudes, having a long 5+ minutes convo with some minors, appears to be so, then they'd either call me to say Hello, with a fist pump / handshake, and obviously first thing I'd do is asking the girls how old are you, 17,16, then fuckers would make a face as if they didn't know. Like if you approach a young girl, first thing you should ask is her age, then maybe even proceed asking for an ID, etc. So why would you be standing there chatting for more than 2 minutes? You walk the fuck away from a minor. It's disgusting and happening in both Lleras and Centro. One old fart past 60 was bragging and dancing on how many young virgins he scored in couple years. As if it's his life's best accomplishment LOL, spend hrs and days hunting them online first. Like my dude most normal men have had those in middle school and high school years bruh. You are late at 60 sir. Like most awkward encounters and losers I come accross during my travels are always sex-deprived men, those who never got married or never had a real GF, doesn't know shit about women, and actually think they're players now paying for sex. Total fucking lunatics.

I think Medellin is a beautiful city and still a gem but clearly there are better spots that are less tense. I stopped few buddies that were on their way to visit, I asked them to slightly increase their budget and meet in BRA instead LOL.

Have fun and be safe![/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Where is this place? I tried googling Hilton Grill Club and could not find any. Appreciate if you could help. This is useful info. Will be visiting Medellin soon for the first time!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2890253]This is a strong positive for Tijuana. It seems to be Medellin 5, Tijuana 3.[/QUOTE]The more gringos that prefer Tijuana, the better.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2883507]I just went to monger in plaza botero this morning. After hopping off the bus in the prado centro area where they sell stuff on the ground under the metro, I walked across the street and directly into the Plaza and straight down to the church without any checkpoint to walk through.

Theres girls around the water fountains again and sitting on the brick work of the church. The area feels more open and free again like how it always used to be pre-2023.

As far as you sissy boys who say it was better with the barriers you can still go hide behind the barriers in parque lleras. Maybe that will be your new safe place since plaza botero is no longer safe for you guys unless if you've got some real cajones LOL.

As far as my session went I found a 24 year old vennie. BBFS CIP for 80 mil and I paid for the pieza at hotel botero real still 9 mil. She was kind of mechanical and didn't like to kiss or make eye contact but she smelled and tasted clean and I got my nut off inside her so I was a happy camper.

Afterwards I talked to my homegirl Gaby out in front of the church for a bit and she agreed that is better now without the stupid barriers and things are getting back to how they used to be before.

I think maybe I'll start going down there more often again.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]BBFS and CIP for 80 mil is a bargain. I am returning to Medellin in May and I will be looking to get myself as many girls as physically possible. The dream is to get two girls, BBFS, CIP and creampie eating.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;2890930]BBFS and CIP for 80 mil is a bargain. I am returning to Medellin in May and I will be looking to get myself as many girls as physically possible. The dream is to get two girls, BBFS, CIP and creampie eating.[/QUOTE]In my experience a lot of the street girls will do BBFS CIP for 80 mil to 100 mil. Granted these aren't your top notch looking women LOL. I've gotten it as low as 40 mil from a candy girl but the quality (looks-wise not necessarily servicio wise) drops off considerably when seeking sub-80 mil BBFS.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;2890923]The more gringos that prefer Tijuana, the better.[/QUOTE]Too late, Medellin is already completely overrun with gringos.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;2890930]The dream is to get two girls, BBFS, CIP and creampie eating.[/QUOTE]That is no dream. That is something that you saw in a porno that you want to recreate.

Overrun is a strong word unless we don't consider areas other than Poblado, Laureles, north Sabaneta, Envigado, and New Life. When I am in those parts of town the difference from the rest of the city (which is almost all of the city) is very jarring.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2890958]Too late, Medellin is already completely overrun with gringos.[/QUOTE]

Are the vendors in el centro underneath the bridge near plaza botero that sell cheap stolen phones around on Saturdays?

I know I seen them on Sunday's before.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2890982]Are the vendors in el centro underneath the bridge near plaza botero that sell cheap stolen phones around on Saturdays?

I know I seen them on Sunday's before.[/QUOTE]They're there everyday.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2890982]Are the vendors in el centro underneath the bridge near plaza botero that sell cheap stolen phones around on Saturdays?

I know I seen them on Sunday's before.[/QUOTE]Look around in the streets in the back of of Nutibara, probably Calle 53. There ae official stores there where you can buy new ones cheap with one year warranty.

The stolen phone stands are toward Prado station on the side walk of the street near the metro route.

[QUOTE=VgsFun;2890877]Thanks for the report. Where is this place? I tried googling Hilton Grill Club and could not find any. Appreciate if you could help. This is useful info. Will be visiting Medellin soon for the first time![/QUOTE]John Gault mentioned Bar Madrid. You can just google that or google Bar Monaco if Bar Madrid does not come up. It is on the opposite side of the street toward Botero Plaza. It's a very local place so not ideal for someone that does not know the area.

I don't think what's being reported is universally true. That price does not make sense in general for the type of customers that visit the area. Besides, Mr E reported before, the girls that he talked to do not go with customer to have sex so it will depend on the girl. I am not saying the report is inaccurate but I won't generalize it. My last visit was NYE after midnight and my data expired so I had to call a taxi which was difficult there at that hour and I made a report on that

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2890798]...I think that's going to be a deal breaker for a lot of guys who may be on a tight budget.[/QUOTE]That is great to hear LOL.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2890803]If the original poster is concerned about being scoped and / or robbed by a Facebook girl, I would in fact recommend my method of having the Facebook girl meet him at parque berrio metro station and then take her to hotel botero real.

That way he can leave his personal belongings back at his main hotel or Airbnb and only bring his burner phone and enough cash to pay the Chica and the pieza and there is nothing extra that can be stolen from him as all his other stuff is back safe at the other place.

Also don't drink anything tell her it's sex for money there is no fucking beer involved LOL. If she wants the money she will understand and if not then that means she was up to no good. Pretty simple process.[/QUOTE]The only problem with that, particularly with new guys, is Parque Berrio and El Centro scares the crap out of some people. I've used a variation on that theme many times. Had the girl meet me somewhere public then take her to Motel Ibiza.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2890982]Are the vendors in el centro underneath the bridge near plaza botero that sell cheap stolen phones around on Saturdays?

I know I seen them on Sunday's before.[/QUOTE]Why keep thieves in business by buying their goods? Your phone or whatever could be up for sale soon too. Just buy a cheap one from a real store or buy second hand in USA. You can get a decent older used iPhone that does all you need for $100 online at home if you are in USA.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2890958]Too late, Medellin is already completely overrun with gringos.[/QUOTE]Except it is very easy to live there and hardly ever see another gringo. It is overrun if you only go to the 5 percent of the city where there are gringos. And even there there are lots of times you may be the only one.

I think this idea that gringos have all this influence and are causing all these changes is simply exaggerated.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2890647]I'll try to address as many of your questions as possible. Some I can't help much with because I'm no longer searching for new girls in Medellin.

There are pluses and minuses to using Facebook. A big plus is you can fairly quickly find hundreds of potential dates. A big downside is, unless you use a separate device, which has no connections to any of your other accounts, or phone number, the people on your main Facebook account will eventually get some bleed over from your mongering account. I've had a few friends and family members complain about getting friend requests from Colombian girls. Go to the "Links to Reports of Distinction" thread and search for "Facebook" to find some step by step guides. Avoid Tinder.

Your risk of being drugged at a bar or restaurant, when you are alone is very low. I've never hesitated to drink whatever I wanted while out alone. However, when you are with someone, there's always a chance they will slip something in your drink, if you leave it unattended, or are distracted. One strategy is to minimize your drinking, drink slowly, small sips and to always keep your drink within sight and out of easy reach for anyone else. Avoid drinking to excess. If a girl is pushing you to drink that's a red flag. If, while you are setting up the date, the girl mentions drinking, another red flag. You're paying the girl to fuck, not to drink your booze..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the help. I'm wanting to travel either here, Cartagena, or Brazil sometime this year for up to two weeks on a budget of 5,000 USD including flight, hotel, and girls.

Anyone know where money will go furthest, especially if you wanted GFE / BBFS / Foreplay? I get that there's always a tradeoff as subjectively hotter girls tend to be more expensive with limited service. Also time of the year that's best?

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;2890923]The more gringos that prefer Tijuana, the better.[/QUOTE]Tijuana is a direct connect from So Cal therefore you can easily find 100+ girls in one club with no searching needed. The Cartels have already placed them at HKTJ along with other nearby locations. As long as you are spending money they will provide great service. They have been recruited to make all the USA gringos happy. They travel there from the entire country of Mexico and yes even Colombia. Go there. Save time and $. You will have a terrific time. No guide needed. No scopolamine, no wallets stolen. Very safe. Just stay in the red light area.

[QUOTE=VgsFun;2890877]Thanks for the report. Where is this place? I tried googling Hilton Grill Club and could not find any. Appreciate if you could help. This is useful info. Will be visiting Medellin soon for the first time![/QUOTE]Someone already replied with Bar Madrid which is one of them. Also not in Gmap. It's carrera 53, intersects with calle 53 so don't get them confused. There's also Bar El Country, and al huge billiard place calld Billares why Cartas, and Taberna El Tiburon (on Gmap). Not saying that's where the girls are just reference points. When I travel I sometimes take notes of places I can recall and use those for uber and taxis, also everyone knows everywhere near that area if you ask. Beware that this area isn't too fancy and not for everyone, don't get intimidated by street homeless people, nothing happens if you mind your business and stick near the bars, lots of taxis and can take uber easily.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2890739]I have been talking about the bar scene in that area for quite some time. I have never taken one from the bar as I just like to dance with these girls. A drink for them or you is 6 K. I have been in most of them and Bar Madrid is the best one.[/QUOTE]Bro shit was unreal, seeing 5 - 10 girls sitting alone in each spot, bored, and 3 dudes in front begging you to go in LOL, so many walking and chasing the rats don't know about these. Obviously when they sit you can't fully see what the body looks like. But the patrons called a couple to greet us in the street, and we chatted with few first before going in and I was sold.

The ones that follow my social media posts will notice that I am always roasting up the people that go to Medellin because it seems that my former compatriots have done an amazing job of raising their profile as well as getting themselves killed, robbed or drugged in the process, I believe because of due lack of diligence and stupidity but that is my opinion, however after seeing videos like this I can see why some men will risk it all, especially considering the state of the dating market in the west. This post was inspired by dcbornrob I have not been to Medellin in years but it seems that I might make a trip over there to avail myself of some entertainment.

[URL]https://youtu.be/5kHsBml5IEs?si=sECFoeYuEhpoLIxg[/URL]

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2891140]Tijuana is a direct connect from So Cal therefore you can easily find 100+ girls in one club with no searching needed. The Cartels have already placed them at HKTJ along with other nearby locations. As long as you are spending money they will provide great service. They have been recruited to make all the USA gringos happy. They travel there from the entire country of Mexico and yes even Colombia. Go there. Save time and $. You will have a terrific time. No guide needed. No scopolamine, no wallets stolen. Very safe. Just stay in the red light area.[/QUOTE]LOL No joke, the last several times I went to the bars in Tijuana, I selceted Colombianas. I certainly didn't go looking for them. They were just simply the most attractive to me.

Towards the end of the Adelitas days, I think more than 50% were from Colombia.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2891173]Someone already replied with Bar Madrid which is one of them. Also not in Gmap. It's carrera 53, intersects with calle 53 so don't get them confused. There's also Bar El Country, and al huge billiard place calld Billares why Cartas, and Taberna El Tiburon (on Gmap). Not saying that's where the girls are just reference points. When I travel I sometimes take notes of places I can recall and use those for uber and taxis, also everyone knows everywhere near that area if you ask. Beware that this area isn't too fancy and not for everyone, don't get intimidated by street homeless people, nothing happens if you mind your business and stick near the bars, lots of taxis and can take uber easily.[/QUOTE]These bars are nothing new. They line Cra 53 on the opposite side of the street across from the back of the museum. Alot of those girls won't have sex tho. I specifically remember talking up a girl named Wendy in one of those bars and eventhough I got her WhatsApp number she wouldn't agree to go to a pieza with me. She said she worked as a mesera only.

Quite frankly those bars are a waste of time when there are street girls right outside on the side walks that will happily fuck for 40 mil so why would I waste 6 k on beer when I don't even want to drink? And 150 mil I highly doubt the locals are paying tanto.

[QUOTE=DoomBringer321;2891201]The ones that follow my social media posts will notice that I am always roasting up the people that go to Medellin because it seems that my former compatriots have done an amazing job of raising their profile as well as getting themselves killed, robbed or drugged in the process, I believe because of due lack of diligence and stupidity but that is my opinion, however after seeing videos like this I can see why some men will risk it all, especially considering the state of the dating market in the west. This post was inspired by dcbornrob I have not been to Medellin in years but it seems that I might make a trip over there to avail myself of some entertainment.

[URL]https://youtu.be/5kHsBml5IEs?si=sECFoeYuEhpoLIxg[/URL][/QUOTE]Is that Cartagena in the video?

[QUOTE=Robotron;2891116]Thanks for the help. I'm wanting to travel either here, Cartagena, or Brazil sometime this year for up to two weeks on a budget of 5,000 USD including flight, hotel, and girls.

Anyone know where money will go furthest, especially if you wanted GFE / BBFS / Foreplay? I get that there's always a tradeoff as subjectively hotter girls tend to be more expensive with limited service. Also time of the year that's best?[/QUOTE]I'll offer my opinion, based on my experience. Others will surely have different opinions. Much of the cost depends on where you shop. Personally, I've never found happiness with a centro girl. But my point is, cost varies greatly in Medellin. But if you do an apples to apples comparison (primarily casas and clubs in my case), I would say that Rio is SLIGHTLY cheaper. Honestly, I found them to be virtually the same price. Airfare to Brazil of course will be more and hotels will be more. And they have that stupid visa process coming in April. (My issue is not with having $2 k in the bank. LOL It's disclosing unnecessary info.) The food in Brazil is infinitely better.

As for the girls, looks are always subjective. Colombianas are the gold standard for my preference. Brazil is a very close second. And as far as services, I'm stating the obvious but it will depend on the girl. BBBJ is pretty much the standard in both locations. BBFS is available in either location. I generally don't take that risk but I don't think it's generally more likely in one country vs the other.

Perhaps the biggest distinction I'd draw between Medellin and Rio is the performance. And I'm not saying either is bad. But in MDE, typically I get the GFE. They are caring, more tender. In Rio, they want you to have the best sex of your life. It's like an olympic sport to them. There are benefits to both. But I think, again. Just my experience. That is the biggest difference.

5 k should get you a good time in either locale. But the airfare and hotel costs to Rio are a bit steeper.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2891060]Why keep thieves in business by buying their goods? Your phone or whatever could be up for sale soon too. Just buy a cheap one from a real store or buy second hand in USA. You can get a decent older used iPhone that does all you need for $100 online at home if you are in USA.[/QUOTE]The OP asked a simple question about whether or not the stolen phone vendors were there on Saturday. He didn't ask for your ethical input nor did he state that he was actually going to buy a stolen phone.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2891140]Tijuana is a direct connect from So Cal therefore you can easily find 100+ girls in one club with no searching needed. The Cartels have already placed them at HKTJ along with other nearby locations. As long as you are spending money they will provide great service. They have been recruited to make all the USA gringos happy. They travel there from the entire country of Mexico and yes even Colombia. Go there. Save time and $. You will have a terrific time. No guide needed. No scopolamine, no wallets stolen. Very safe. Just stay in the red light area.[/QUOTE]For guys that live in the Southwest US, Tijuana is certainly a great option. For those of us in the East or Midwest, probably not so much.

Well another quick trip to Medellin.

Just a reminder make sure you have the Migracion form filled out before you get to airport. Can't check in until its done, which is what happen to me. I lucked out and still made the flight.

Flight on AA was cancelled and had to wait until next morning to fly into medellin.

Wait a pain in the ass waiting in immigrations. Takes a good 1 hour or longer.

Thanks to Miami boy advice stayed again at 3/33 airbnb.

My plan usually try to meet 3 girls a day- morning afternoon and evening.

Since flight arrived around 2 pm and 1 hour in Immigration and another 35 min drive to airbnb.

Coordinated 3 some for 4:30 pm, figure by than buy viagra across the street and it should kick in by the time they arrive. Cost per each girl 250,000 plus taxi 50,000 Raw Friendly.

3 some was perfect and did not disappoint, they worked me non stop until I was drained.

Next chick was scheduled for 8 pm was a bit disappointed, great looking and of course nice thin body but disappointing service 300,000 (raw friendly).

Day two in morning chick was fine and did the deed cost 250,000 + 20,000 taxi (raw friendly).

Next girl was around 2 pm, she asked before coming over if I wanted her to bring a vibrator for use to enjoy, sure why not. Well her son saw her taking it so she couldn't bring it with her. Oh well.

We chatted for a bit about the things she likes doing in bed. She was on top and did the usual and when I proceeded to go into missionary position she took control again and made put into her ass without lube. Jesus it was hard to penetrate but she was enjoying her self this way and I was not.

After that we took a shower and had her do a rimjob on me and shipped her home cost 250,000 and after her I had no chance to see another girl that night.

Flight was scheduled around 1 am back to Miami and again it was cancelled.

Next morning finally a flew back to Miami.

All my find was on Facebook on this trip, in the past I used to use Seeking.

Lots of food places in walking distance again thanks to miami boy for all the restaurant suggestion.

I was a bit concerned I bought around 80 Viagra pills and was worried it could be an issue. I took all of them out of the pack and put into a medicine bottle. Easier to get in Colombia and cost cheaper than in USA.

[QUOTE=Butch145;2891240]Well another quick trip to Medellin.

Just a reminder make sure you have the Migracion form filled out before you get to airport. Can't check in until its done, which is what happen to me. I lucked out and still made the flight.

Flight on AA was cancelled and had to wait until next morning to fly into medellin.

Wait a pain in the ass waiting in immigrations. Takes a good 1 hour or longer.

Thanks to Miami boy advice stayed again at 3/33 airbnb.

My plan usually try to meet 3 girls a day- morning afternoon and evening.

Since flight arrived around 2 pm and 1 hour in Immigration and another 35 min drive to airbnb.

Coordinated 3 some for 4:30 pm, figure by than buy viagra across the street and it should kick in by the time they arrive. Cost per each girl 250,000 plus taxi 50,000 Raw Friendly.

3 some was perfect and did not disappoint, they worked me non stop until I was drained.

Next chick was scheduled for 8 pm was a bit disappointed, great looking and of course nice thin body but disappointing service 300,000 (raw friendly).

Day two in morning chick was fine and did the deed cost 250,000 + 20,000 taxi (raw friendly).

Next girl was around 2 pm, she asked before coming over if I wanted her to bring a vibrator for use to enjoy, sure why not. Well her son saw her taking it so she couldn't bring it with her. Oh well.

We chatted for a bit about the things she likes doing in bed. She was on top and did the usual and when I proceeded to go into missionary position she took control again and made put into her ass without lube. Jesus it was hard to penetrate but she was enjoying her self this way and I was not.

After that we took a shower and had her do a rimjob on me and shipped her home cost 250,000 and after her I had no chance to see another girl that night.

Flight was scheduled around 1 am back to Miami and again it was cancelled.

Next morning finally a flew back to Miami.

All my find was on Facebook on this trip, in the past I used to use Seeking.

Lots of food places in walking distance again thanks to miami boy for all the restaurant suggestion.

I was a bit concerned I bought around 80 Viagra pills and was worried it could be an issue. I took all of them out of the pack and put into a medicine bottle. Easier to get in Colombia and cost cheaper than in USA.[/QUOTE]Migracion form. Maybe it depends on the airline? I've flown into Bogota twice and Cartagena on LATAM / Delta and never had Mig checked. Plus 1 time I couldn't even get the website to function. Unless Medellin itself matters if flying into direct.

[QUOTE=DoomBringer321;2891201]The ones that follow my social media posts will notice that I am always roasting up the people that go to Medellin because it seems that my former compatriots have done an amazing job of raising their profile as well as getting themselves killed, robbed or drugged in the process, I believe because of due lack of diligence and stupidity but that is my opinion, however after seeing videos like this I can see why some men will risk it all, especially considering the state of the dating market in the west. This post was inspired by dcbornrob I have not been to Medellin in years but it seems that I might make a trip over there to avail myself of some entertainment.

[URL]https://youtu.be/5kHsBml5IEs?si=sECFoeYuEhpoLIxg[/URL][/QUOTE]That is Cartagena. Go there.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2891269]Migracion form. Maybe it depends on the airline? I've flown into Bogota twice and Cartagena on LATAM / Delta and never had Mig checked. Plus 1 time I couldn't even get the website to function. Unless Medellin itself matters if flying into direct.[/QUOTE]When I used Avianca to fly into Medellin I think they have a different process than the American or foreign airlines. That was the only benefit of flying Avianca I did not have to worry about Check Mig.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2890652]...
Since I stayed close to 5 Months, I confirmed w / the inmigraciand officer at the airport upon departure if I can return to complete the remainder of my visa in few days and they said no prob. ...[/QUOTE]Colombia resets the date on Jan 1st. You can stay about 5 more months if you enter now. You can and should double check this.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2891344]Colombia resets the date on Jan 1st. You can stay about 5 more months if you enter now. You can and should double check this.[/QUOTE]Yo, I've been coming to Colombia for years and this is 100% wrong.

Well, maybe it used to be that way at some point since I'm not that old, but this is not what's in the Col official sites, this is not what the immigration offer told me, this is not what the stamp reflects in my passport, nor the extended 3 months renewal I did in Dec that expires in March.

In about 5 months in Mde I've heard at least 25 different versions from lost and out of touch gringos (not you.) but this shit gets funny af. Once while I sat with a buddy in a cafe discussing this, an old Canadian lady in her 70's was nearby walking her dog and overheard us and came and joined the convo. She joked as to why so many are spreading wrong info, about the tourist visa and the digital nomad visa, when the fucking info is right on the darn official website? Like Mfrs can't read. We had a good laugh at that. She's been living in Mde for yrs.

Soooo, legally you can only stay in Colombia for up to 180 days from your date of arrival as a tourist, (not 6 months). Your first initial stamp is 90 days, then you can renew / extend for another 90 if approved. After which you must wait another 180 days before you return. New year has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with your dates. Rules are diff obviously for various visas. Currently I can get a biz visa, digital nomad visa (can be approved for 6 mo to 2 yrs), etc. I just don't want to, I prefer to travel for a while to other countries after I finish my 180 days.

In any case, I still appreciate the intel, but it is incorrect friend.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2891224]These bars are nothing new. They line Cra 53 on the opposite side of the street across from the back of the museum. Alot of those girls won't have sex tho. I specifically remember talking up a girl named Wendy in one of those bars and eventhough I got her WhatsApp number she wouldn't agree to go to a pieza with me. She said she worked as a mesera only.

Quite frankly those bars are a waste of time when there are street girls right outside on the side walks that will happily fuck for 40 mil so why would I waste 6 k on beer when I don't even want to drink? And 150 mil I highly doubt the locals are paying tanto.[/QUOTE]This same argument can be said for girls at parque lleras, la isla, that charge 300-600 k or higher. Diff budgets and styles for everyone. Street girls are for quick rush fun mostly in dirty rooms for that 40 k and I've done 100's of them. But at times I want to sit down, grab a drink, dance, converse, in a clean environment. Not like I'm paying 50 k girl drink like they do in parque lleras, for 6 k? For fuck's sake. That's not even cheap, this is free according to my budget LOL. But yes the ones I met fuck. But again I didn't go to all of them and maybe some don't. To me any girl above 7/8 deserves 150/200 k for non rushed time spent. I meant we spend time chatting, dancing, build chemistry, trust me it's good cheap fun bro. But I get it, when you live there most days 40-50 k is the way to go, then on weekend why not have a little more fun.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2891224]These bars are nothing new. They line Cra 53 on the opposite side of the street across from the back of the museum. Alot of those girls won't have sex tho.[/QUOTE]I thought they were on to something new or things had changed. The chicks in those bars are for drinking and dancing with you, not fucking.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2891224]These bars are nothing new. They line Cra 53 on the opposite side of the street across from the back of the museum. Alot of those girls won't have sex tho. I specifically remember talking up a girl named Wendy in one of those bars and eventhough I got her WhatsApp number she wouldn't agree to go to a pieza with me. She said she worked as a mesera only.

Quite frankly those bars are a waste of time when there are street girls right outside on the side walks that will happily fuck for 40 mil so why would I waste 6 k on beer when I don't even want to drink? And 150 mil I highly doubt the locals are paying tanto.[/QUOTE]You're like the 2nd or 3rd guy who mention some of those girls on that fuck on Cra 53. I know exactly why LOL. You admitted yourself you don't want to drink or don't drink. It works the same way as those bars in Pattaya Thailand, you can't just take their number from the front of the bar in the street and ask them to go with you, that's always against the rules even though they are independent. Few of my buddies tried that and didn't work, sometimes they won't even give you their number. That entire setting is for you to go inside, sit, drink, and then pay the bar take out fee and negotiate your price with the girl and you can take her to your hotel. Thailand is the main spot where that's common. But trust me every female working in that area will fuck. Even P4 P requires some game.

Just saw this scene from "Colombian star" (it seems to be her first ever porn scene) Sofia Silk, shot from an apartement in Medellin, just for the fun of it thought someone here might have banged her? [URL]https://vrlatina.com/video/latina-barbie-424.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2891356]You're like the 2nd or 3rd guy who mention some of those girls on that fuck on Cra 53. I know exactly why LOL. You admitted yourself you don't want to drink or don't drink. It works the same way as those bars in Pattaya Thailand, you can't just take their number from the front of the bar in the street and ask them to go with you, that's always against the rules even though they are independent. Few of my buddies tried that and didn't work, sometimes they won't even give you their number. That entire setting is for you to go inside, sit, drink, and then pay the bar take out fee and negotiate your price with the girl and you can take her to your hotel. Thailand is the main spot where that's common. But trust me every female working in that area will fuck. Even P4 P requires some game.[/QUOTE]I do not know why your buddies are having problems. I have lived in Pattaya for 15 years and that is how I have always done it. I get the girl's contact and come back to pick her up when the bar closes. P4P requires no game the same as buying a hamburger in McDonald's requires no game. It is a business transaction. That is why it is galled PAY for play and not game for play. Money talks and so-called game walks. Save your game for chicks that do not require payment.

I used to date a Mexican chick in my city. She told me about some of the Mexican clubs in my city that were the exact same as 53. Guys would go there and pay chicks $5 to dance with them. It may sound weird, but there are all kinds and there is something for everyone.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2891356]Even P4 P requires some game.[/QUOTE]Not exactly the game per-se just some common sense and situational awareness of how these businesses operate, understanding they need to extract some money first and that the girl have no obligation to fuck, this isn't a casa. She gets a commission for the drinks, plus a daily salary for manning the bar. Doesn't meant she won't want to fuck eventually or later when she's not observed and in a different environment. Admittedly some of these bars are more like lonely-hearts clubs but it is no accident there are many ST hotels next door to these establishments and that the take out fee exists. For point and shoot quick-let's-fuck-now there are other places.

I know of some SWs that worked these bars, couple of them quit because they actually didn't like drinking so much, or so they say. But they did fuck the customers that's for sure. One got kicked out because she didn't show up on time and regularly LOL (nothing like being true SW freelancer, no obligations, no boss, sleep however long you want, show up whenever, go home whenever).

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2891469]Exactly. What you are saying is that it is a waste of money and a waste of time you're just saying it in different words. Why would I want to waste money on beer and bar fines when I can fuck the street girls with that same money. Those girls aren't special just because they sit inside a bar. Fuck that.[/QUOTE]Hey bruh, I promise I won't make you upset man. I am trying to change, cause I know you always lecture dudes on here that are wasting money and ruining the game.

Anything above $10 Usd or 40 k is a waste. In fact I will quit having fun, no more taking girls out, no gifts, no clothing or jewelry even for myself, no cines, no more cigars, no playa or jetskis, no more football parties, no billiards, telling all homies to kick rocks since now in total isolation. I might as well eat less and join a diet. I'm going to disregard my stupid double six fig income and pretend I'm on a disability social security income and adjust all budgets accordingly. You got it sir.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2891338]When I used Avianca to fly into Medellin I think they have a different process than the American or foreign airlines. That was the only benefit of flying Avianca I did not have to worry about Check Mig.[/QUOTE]I just did my MIG as COPA required. It's on the list of required documents or something like that. Went fairly smoothly after I used their drop-downs instead of typing in the answer. I only fly COPA and always need the MIG.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2891349]Yo, I've been coming to Colombia for years and this is 100% wrong.

Well, maybe it used to be that way at some point since I'm not that old, but this is not what's in the Col official sites, this is not what the immigration offer told me, this is not what the stamp reflects in my passport, nor the extended 3 months renewal I did in Dec that expires in March.

In about 5 months in Mde I've heard at least 25 different versions from lost and out of touch gringos (not you.) but this shit gets funny af. Once while I sat with a buddy in a cafe discussing this, an old Canadian lady in her 70's was nearby walking her dog and overheard us and came and joined the convo. She joked as to why so many are spreading wrong info, about the tourist visa and the digital nomad visa, when the fucking info is right on the darn official website? Like Mfrs can't read. We had a good laugh at that. She's been living in Mde for yrs.

Soooo, legally you can only stay in Colombia for up to 180 days from your date of arrival as a tourist, (not 6 months). Your first initial stamp is 90 days, then you can renew / extend for another 90 if approved. After which you must wait another 180 days before you return. New year has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with your dates. Rules are diff obviously for various visas. Currently I can get a biz visa, digital nomad visa (can be approved for 6 mo to 2 yrs), etc. I just don't want to, I prefer to travel for a while to other countries after I finish my 180 days.

In any case, I still appreciate the intel, but it is incorrect friend.[/QUOTE]I think you are the one who cannot read LOL. Here I found you the information that pertains to this. It specifically states you cannot stay more than 180 days in a "Calender year" but once the year has changed to a new year you can leave Colombia for a day and then return and the clock resets. Nowhere does it say that you have to stay out of Colombia for 180 days again before you return, that would only hold true if you had stayed from Jan thru Jul then you wouldn't be able to come back again until the next January. But if you came in July you could stay a max of 180 days then leave and come back Jan 1st of the next calendar year and get a new 90 days (extendable to 180 days with a prorrogar).

I suspect the 70 year old lady didn't know what she was talking about you mentioned that she had lived here for years so obviously she is on a visa and not using the 180 days.

Also the immigration officers speak Spanish and you speak English. Whether they told you what they told you in broken English or you tried asking in broken Spanish obviously something got lost in translation and you didn't understand what he said or he didn't know how to explain to you in English what he was trying to tell you.

As you can see it is clearly written here in this screen shot in the second paragraph. Also we have real life accounts of how this worked as I mentioned in my previous post from. Osteoknot who came at the tail end of 2021, maxed out his 180 then went to Panama for a day and came back in January of 2022 and was given a new 90 days without having to wait 180 days to come back again.

It's ironic that you say people are spreading false information when you in fact are the person spreading false information.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2891349]Yo, I've been coming to Colombia for years and this is 100% wrong.....[/QUOTE]You can clarify this when you visit Colombia next time.

I've mostly been looking in the Lleras Park area for lodging but I'm open to other areas. In terms of what I'm looking for in lodging is the ability to pickup street girls and bring them back to my place (well versed in security and situational awareness of staying safe). What areas are best to stay in to pickup street girls and bring them back to my hotel / airbnb?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2891522]You can clarify this when you visit Colombia next time.[/QUOTE]He should brush up on his español first before he comes back so that he can understand what the immigration officer is telling him.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2891352]I thought they were on to something new or things had changed. The chicks in those bars are for drinking and dancing with you, not fucking.[/QUOTE]I remember you reported that. There are some bars actually have room on site that you can drink with the girls and take her to the room. It's a a bar setting but also works like a casa. They are mostly scattered a little bit north and there was one in downtown.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2891528] There are some bars actually have room on site that you can drink with the girls and take her to the room. It's a a bar setting but also works like a casa. They are mostly scattered a little bit north and there was one in downtown.[/QUOTE]Any names / addresses / directions?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2891522]You can clarify this when you visit Colombia next time.[/QUOTE]This is already confirmed. No such thing as a reset w new year. I'm already back in Col. In Bogota since Friday.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2891349]Soooo, legally you can only stay in Colombia for up to 180 days from your date of arrival as a tourist, (not 6 months). Your first initial stamp is 90 days, then you can renew / extend for another 90 if approved. After which you must wait another 180 days before you return. New year has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with your dates.[/QUOTE]If you are outside Colombia, the days in-country reset on January 1. If you are in Colombia, they do not reset until you leave after January 1. There is no 180 days wait time unless you enter January 6th or 7th and stay 180 days consecutively. I've been in Colombia more than 170 days, but less than 180, each of the last two years. I left near the end of December each year and returned in January and got a 90 days stamp. Near the end of the year, most of the immigration officers only give me the number of days I have under 180 for that year. So, yes, a new year has everything to do with your dates for a tourist visa unless you are already in Colombia at the beginning of a year.

[URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/amp/medellin/investigan-la-muerte-de-dos-estadounidenses-en-laureles-y-el-poblado-IB23668808?fbclid=IwAR02J_podec8gLP6oySjnstgYysOUhJUOBxc1I_VVlou-Q8jZueFKU5XiXY[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2890534]Medellin 8, Tijuana 3. Unless there is a dramatic change in forum opinions I'd soon be booking my umpteenth trip to Medellin. First to Medellin since covid struck and the second to Colombia since then.[/QUOTE]You might want to bro:

[URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/amp/medellin/investigan-la-muerte-de-dos-estadounidenses-en-laureles-y-el-poblado-IB23668808?fbclid=IwAR02J_podec8gLP6oySjnstgYysOUhJUOBxc1I_VVlou-Q8jZueFKU5XiXY[/URL]

Given the current safety issues and the fact that my Spanish is limited, I've come up with a general plan for my first trip to Medellin and wondering what you experienced guys think of it (whether it's an itinerary that I would be happy with). I would stay for only 4-5 nights since it would be an extension of a scuba diving trip in the Caribbean. To make the accommodations as hassle free as possible, I would opt to pay a bit of a premium to stay at the Hotel M (formerly known as the Mansion) where it is already set up for monger tourists. I could pull girls from the same location during the daytime and nighttime knowing that they are already pre-screened, ie. , low risk of drugging or robbing me plus a known price range. I understand that their staff can also arrange for airport transits and drives to other tourist sites at a reasonable cost if I should utilize them.

During the daytime, I might visit New Life and Loutron. Then at night I would just stay at the Hotel M bar except for one night I might visit La Isla just to say I've been there whether I pull from there or not. In all of these external venues, I would just use their rooms.

I might stroll through Parque Ileras again just to say I've been there but not really pull any girl from there since that becomes more risky business especially for a first timer visitor like me. I would think that with the combination of Hotel M and the above mentioned external venues, I would have more than plenty in terms of girl action for my short trip.

So what do you guys think? Would this be enough for a first trip sampler of Medellin? Or would I be really missing out on something else that I did not consider including?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2891599]Given the current safety issues and the fact that my Spanish is limited, I've come up with a general plan for my first trip to Medellin and wondering what you experienced guys think of it (whether it's an itinerary that I would be happy with). I would stay for only 4-5 nights since it would be an extension of a scuba diving trip in the Caribbean. To make the accommodations as hassle free as possible, I would opt to pay a bit of a premium to stay at the Hotel M (formerly known as the Mansion) where it is already set up for monger tourists. I could pull girls from the same location during the daytime and nighttime knowing that they are already pre-screened, ie. , low risk of drugging or robbing me plus a known price range. I understand that their staff can also arrange for airport transits and drives to other tourist sites at a reasonable cost if I should utilize them.

During the daytime, I might visit New Life and Loutron. Then at night I would just stay at the Hotel M bar except for one night I might visit La Isla just to say I've been there whether I pull from there or not. In all of these external venues, I would just use their rooms.

I might stroll through Parque Ileras again just to say I've been there but not really pull any girl from there since that becomes more risky business especially for a first timer visitor like me. I would think that with the combination of Hotel M and the above mentioned external venues, I would have more than plenty in terms of girl action for my short trip.

So what do you guys think? Would this be enough for a first trip sampler of Medellin? Or would I be really missing out on something else that I did not consider including?[/QUOTE]I'd be interested too, I'm looking at a similar itinerary but instead just thought of having a nice Airbnb in Poblado that has security check in. Then Ubering to the clubs. Hotel M seems nice you get day time girls more safely but I don't know the quality or prices. Also if they allow outside / agency girls.

At least the Airbnb would be nicer and more in the middle of Isla Gustos Fase dos.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2891498]Hey bruh, I promise I won't make you upset man. I am trying to change, cause I know you always lecture dudes on here that are wasting money and ruining the game.

Anything above $10 Usd or 40 k is a waste. In fact I will quit having fun, no more taking girls out, no gifts, no clothing or jewelry even for myself, no cines, no more cigars, no playa or jetskis, no more football parties, no billiards, telling all homies to kick rocks since now in total isolation. I might as well eat less and join a diet. I'm going to disregard my stupid double six fig income and pretend I'm on a disability social security income and adjust all budgets accordingly. You got it sir.[/QUOTE]LOL I'm not saying anything about all the other shit, I'm just saying for me, I wouldn't want to spend extra just because they sit inside a bar. The other shit has nothing to do with it. I go to the cine and mcdonald's and popsy too, no need to be an asshole.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2891488]As always whenever some of you are at home with no money to travel you just come here to troll and argue. I mean this must be a trolling post.

Because what you're telling me is that the Colombian officials are wrong. And the visa extension they gave me from Dec to March is also wrong and I should have had a reset? Lmfao. Lame ass troll bro.

Whatever, argue among urselves, pointless discussion.[/QUOTE]No I'm saying you misunderstood what the Colombian officials told you.

The extrension (prorrogar) carries over into the next year, this is true. But it is also true that you get 180 days per calendar year that reset as of Jan 1st of each year. You can stay up until the date of the extension the. You have to leave but you can come right back the next day and will be issued a new 90 days because you are now in a new year and haven't hit the 180 or even 90 day mark yet.

Double six figure salary but not very intelligent LOL??

[QUOTE=Nounce;2891030]Look around in the streets in the back of of Nutibara, probably Calle 53. There ae official stores there where you can buy new ones cheap with one year warranty.

The stolen phone stands are toward Prado station on the side walk of the street near the metro route.[/QUOTE]Thank you, found them no problem with your recommendation!

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2891228]The OP asked a simple question about whether or not the stolen phone vendors were there on Saturday. He didn't ask for your ethical input nor did he state that he was actually going to buy a stolen phone.[/QUOTE]Couldn't have said it any better. Board would be 100 x better if people left there ethical BS to there-selves.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2891590][URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/amp/medellin/investigan-la-muerte-de-dos-estadounidenses-en-laureles-y-el-poblado-IB23668808?fbclid=IwAR02J_podec8gLP6oySjnstgYysOUhJUOBxc1I_VVlou-Q8jZueFKU5XiXY[/URL][/QUOTE]Think it's not a spike in crime in medellin, but rather the amount of gringo's who touched down here now. I can't go anywhere without seeing at least one every 5 minutes. There fucking everywhere. Saw one drinking while on his big ass phone at 6 pm when it was getting dark on the outskirts of elcentro. The fuck you thinks going to happen in a foreign country?

Your going to see more and more dead gringos (RIP) due to simply the influx of them.

Walked by one wearing a gold chain yesterday on the border of Belen and Laureles. SMH. Though it's really tough for me to say this as I think any loss of life due to crime is beyond wrong but some of the gringos deserve that shit.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2891609]Though it's really tough for me to say this as I think any loss of life due to crime is beyond wrong but some of the gringos deserve that shit.[/QUOTE]Since when dies someone deserve to die for wearing a gold chain? We can rightly tell people that they need to be more careful overseas, but announcing that they are deserving of death is something else altogether. No wonder you had trouble saying it. There's better and more accurate way of making your point, they don't let animals off the hook.

Colombia is full of crime victims that weren't wearing gold chains. Therefore if you point to the stupidest of actions then tell yourself, "as long as I don't do that I'm fine," then you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2891599]Given the current safety issues and the fact that my Spanish is limited, I've come up with a general plan for my first trip to Medellin and wondering what you experienced guys think of it (whether it's an itinerary that I would be happy with). I would stay for only 4-5 nights since it would be an extension of a scuba diving trip in the Caribbean. To make the accommodations as hassle free as possible, I would opt to pay a bit of a premium to stay at the Hotel M (formerly known as the Mansion) where it is already set up for monger tourists. I could pull girls from the same location during the daytime and nighttime knowing that they are already pre-screened, ie. , low risk of drugging or robbing me plus a known price range. I understand that their staff can also arrange for airport transits and drives to other tourist sites at a reasonable cost if I should utilize them.

During the daytime, I might visit New Life and Loutron. Then at night I would just stay at the Hotel M bar except for one night I might visit La Isla just to say I've been there whether I pull from there or not. In all of these external venues, I would just use their rooms.

I might stroll through Parque Ileras again just to say I've been there but not really pull any girl from there since that becomes more risky business especially for a first timer visitor like me. I would think that with the combination of Hotel M and the above mentioned external venues, I would have more than plenty in terms of girl action for my short trip.

So what do you guys think? Would this be enough for a first trip sampler of Medellin? Or would I be really missing out on something else that I did not consider including?[/QUOTE]I'd always recommend the mansion for a first time visitor with limited Spanish. Very safe option. And the knowledge you'll gain from fellow mongers staying there is invaluable. You can always hit up a casa or club with one of them. As for the girls at the mansion, they are very safe and service has always been from really good to great. Going rate used to be 250. I've heard it's up to 300 k. I dare say you'll find some better looking girls in Lleras. But without a doubt you'll find girls MORE than adequate at the mansion.

Your plans seem exceptionally safe, with the exception of Lleras. There's definitely more risk in Lleras. The risk isn't being in the area, though I suppose anything can happen at any time. The risk is the girls are more of a wildcard. Personally, I love Lleras. It's fun. So I'm not discouraging you but you'll need to do alot more vetting of the girls than any of your other options mentioned. Also, good to know (and another poster asked) you can always bring girls back to the mansion. The girls need a cedula. Alot of Vennies in Lleras so before you invest the time, be sure they have proper ID. There's never a fee for bringing a girl back but they are tight on ID. And we should be thankful for that.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2891616]Since when dies someone deserve to die for wearing a gold chain? We can rightly tell people that they need to be more careful overseas, but announcing that they are deserving of death is something else altogether. No wonder you had trouble saying it. There's better and more accurate way of making your point, they don't let animals off the hook.[/QUOTE]Well said. This board has taken a turn for the worse. I have thick skin so it's almost impossible to offend me. But between the laughable dick measuring contests about who knows more, who's more of a badass, or mocking how others spend their own money, it's just pathetic. I always wonder why random dudes on a hooker board get off on playing these infantile games with guys they'll never meet. Is there some prize I don't know about by bragging about some stupid shit that can't even be verified?

I am having a little bit of difficulty in finding the Hotel M or Mansion Hotel. If anyone can point me in the direction with an address or a link I would appreciate it. Also looking for any other locations besides close to Lleras that has street girls readily available that are safe to stay in. Another side note, I don't speak Spanish so keep that in mind LOL.

I a very experienced traveler including several locations that have the crime profile of what I'm reading about on the forum and online.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2891524]I've mostly been looking in the Lleras Park area for lodging but I'm open to other areas. In terms of what I'm looking for in lodging is the ability to pickup street girls and bring them back to my place (well versed in security and situational awareness of staying safe). What areas are best to stay in to pickup street girls and bring them back to my hotel / airbnb?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2891624]Your plans seem exceptionally safe, with the exception of Lleras. There's definitely more risk in Lleras. The risk isn't being in the area, though I suppose anything can happen at any time. The risk is the girls are more of a wildcard. Personally, I love Lleras. It's fun. So I'm not discouraging you but you'll need to do alot more vetting of the girls than any of your other options mentioned. Also, good to know (and another poster asked) you can always bring girls back to the mansion. The girls need a cedula. Alot of Vennies in Lleras so before you invest the time, be sure they have proper ID. There's never a fee for bringing a girl back but they are tight on ID. And we should be thankful for that.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't be pulling girls from Ileras anyway. It would rather be just a stroll to take in the scene from a visual point of view maybe admiring the eye candy. I would rather just return back to the hotel M to pull a girl.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2891617]Colombia is full of crime victims that weren't wearing gold chains. Therefore if you point to the stupidest of actions then tell yourself, "as long as I don't do that I'm fine," then you are setting yourself up for disappointment.[/QUOTE]Yes, but wearing a gold chain is one is several things that greatly increase your chances of being a victim.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2891644]I wouldn't be pulling girls from Ileras anyway. It would rather be just a stroll to take in the scene from a visual point of view maybe admiring the eye candy. I would rather just return back to the hotel M to pull a girl.[/QUOTE]Ain't nothing wrong with pulling girls from LLeras. You'll find a lot of variety in LLeras and I'm pretty sure you'll find what you're looking for there. I'd recommend you to go there after midnight. Your sweet spot would be around 2-3 am or after the clubs closed. All the girls will be outside, you will have better options and better negotiations. You can use Google translate, but still recommend to learn basic Spanish to talk to the girls. I've met few girls in LLeras that gave me GFE experience and best sex experience from there. I still talk to them till now and always see them whenever I'm in town. Don't limit yourself to the mansion. If you decide to pick up girls from LLeras, just practice extra caution and always follow your gut instinct, if something doesn't feel right just moved on to the next one, there's plenty of them. Weekends is the best time to go there for full mongering experience. Always bring your common sense with you and try to think with the bigger head as much as possible.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2891590][URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/amp/medellin/investigan-la-muerte-de-dos-estadounidenses-en-laureles-y-el-poblado-IB23668808?fbclid=IwAR02J_podec8gLP6oySjnstgYysOUhJUOBxc1I_VVlou-Q8jZueFKU5XiXY[/URL][/QUOTE]Is everyone here in agreement that Rio is safer?

It's my understanding that in those articles, those men already had connections as nomads built within the city and a target grew on their back as time passed. One was in an hotel, whose guards allowed the female to exit without the man. Something that could've been avoided by going to a hotel with securities who check ID and need the man to be present. I presume if you the woman understands she's being watched by a bribed security, she won't mess around, especially if foreigners pay for a premium hotel as insurance for their safety?

I haven't visited Colombia yet, but it seems that if you follow the rules there shouldn't be an issue. Yes, crimes occur all the time. Still, stick to crowded areas, don't show off, don't walk off a pre planned route or into an alley, don't goto the womans incall, hotel, place, no matter what.

Would it be rude for you to plainly tell the girl to keep her hands where you can see them all time and leave her bags near the door while's she with you?

For those of you who don't look like the "gringo", do you find it easier to fit in, get serviced, and not be targeted? I'm not white, and want the girls to know I have cash but at the same time not get overpriced by being from the US.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2891609].......Walked by one wearing a gold chain yesterday on the border of Belen and Laureles. SMH. Though it's really tough for me to say this as I think any loss of life due to crime is beyond wrong but some of the gringos deserve that shit.[/QUOTE]I have a theory that the more pussy a man gets the less irate he becomes. Get at it dude!

[QUOTE=Stl24;2891633]I am having a little bit of difficulty in finding the Hotel M or Mansion Hotel. If anyone can point me in the direction with an address or a link I would appreciate it.[/QUOTE][URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Robotron;2891712]Is everyone here in agreement that Rio is safer?

It's my understanding that in those articles, those men already had connections as nomads built within the city and a target grew on their back as time passed. One was in an hotel, whose guards allowed the female to exit without the man. Something that could've been avoided by going to a hotel with securities who check ID and need the man to be present. I presume if you the woman understands she's being watched by a bribed security, she won't mess around, especially if foreigners pay for a premium hotel as insurance for their safety?[/QUOTE]You think criminals care about any of this? Laws and rules only impede the people that that will abide by them. Whether they allowed the woman to leave without the man or not, the man would still be dead. Personally, I have never worried about whether a place is so-called safe or not.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2891609]Walked by one wearing a gold chain yesterday on the border of Belen and Laureles. SMH. Though it's really tough for me to say this as I think any loss of life due to crime is beyond wrong but some of the gringos deserve that shit.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Paulie97;2891616]Since when dies someone deserve to die for wearing a gold chain? We can rightly tell people that they need to be more careful overseas, but announcing that they are deserving of death is something else altogether. No wonder you had trouble saying it. There's better and more accurate way of making your point, they don't let animals off the hook.[/QUOTE]DESERVE might have been a rather strong choice of words but his point isn't far off. It is Darwinian natural selection in our modern world. People who come to Colombia to monger or do drugs without understanding the culture and without bothering to learn the language even to a minimal degree are at risk. Then to compound things, some visitors have to show off their wealth by wearing gold chains or flashy watches and / or expensive clothes and pull out their iphones in public. Then they invite a girl to their apartment that has no check-in safeguards and then want to drink with their girl guests. Is it any wonder that they get drugged and robbed and some die or get killed.

This is natural selection at work in the modern world.

I stayed in Hotel M in last month and posted my review. I didn't feel unsafe at all. One thing I might do slightly differently is to go LLeras park area and bring a girl back to the hotel since they don't charge any guest fee. Is LLeras walkable from Hotel M?

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2891662]Ain't nothing wrong with pulling girls from LLeras. You'll find a lot of variety in LLeras and I'm pretty sure you'll find what you're looking for there. I'd recommend you to go there after midnight. Your sweet spot would be around 2-3 am or after the clubs closed. All the girls will be outside, you will have better options and better negotiations. You can use Google translate, but still recommend to learn basic Spanish to talk to the girls. I've met few girls in LLeras that gave me GFE experience and best sex experience from there. I still talk to them till now and always see them whenever I'm in town. Don't limit yourself to the mansion. If you decide to pick up girls from LLeras, just practice extra caution and always follow your gut instinct, if something doesn't feel right just moved on to the next one, there's plenty of them. Weekends is the best time to go there for full mongering experience. Always bring your common sense with you and try to think with the bigger head as much as possible.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Robotron;2891712]Is everyone here in agreement that Rio is safer?[/QUOTE]I would say for general, random crime, Medellin is actually safer. But that's kind of luck of the draw. I think there is less concern about girls setting you up in Rio, yes.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2891712]Would it be rude for you to plainly tell the girl to keep her hands where you can see them all time and leave her bags near the door while's she with you?[/QUOTE]If it comes to this, is it worth it? I'm not mocking your question. But if I ever had to do that, I can promise you I would not enjoy the session. I'm not telling you to throw caution to the wind. But if this is what your gut is telling you, I suspect MDE is probably not a good idea for you.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2891633]I am having a little bit of difficulty in finding the Hotel M or Mansion Hotel. If anyone can point me in the direction with an address or a link I would appreciate it. Also looking for any other locations besides close to Lleras that has street girls readily available that are safe to stay in. Another side note, I don't speak Spanish so keep that in mind LOL.

I a very experienced traveler including several locations that have the crime profile of what I'm reading about on the forum and online.[/QUOTE]Didn't you get the answer already?

[QUOTE=Stl24;2889130]Thanks, I appreciate it![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Robotron;2891712]Is everyone here in agreement that Rio is safer?

It's my understanding that in those articles, those men already had connections as nomads built within the city and a target grew on their back as time passed. One was in an hotel, whose guards allowed the female to exit without the man. Something that could've been avoided by going to a hotel with securities who check ID and need the man to be present. I presume if you the woman understands she's being watched by a bribed security, she won't mess around, especially if foreigners pay for a premium hotel as insurance for their safety?

I haven't visited Colombia yet, but it seems that if you follow the rules there shouldn't be an issue. Yes, crimes occur all the time. Still, stick to crowded areas, don't show off, don't walk off a pre planned route or into an alley, don't goto the womans incall, hotel, place, no matter what.

Would it be rude for you to plainly tell the girl to keep her hands where you can see them all time and leave her bags near the door while's she with you?

For those of you who don't look like the "gringo", do you find it easier to fit in, get serviced, and not be targeted? I'm not white, and want the girls to know I have cash but at the same time not get overpriced by being from the US.[/QUOTE]Rio safer than Medellin is hard to make an objective comparison. You can find trouble if you want it as easily as if you were in Atlanta or Baltimore. Even in rich districts the rules of situational awareness apply.

If a woman really wants to mess with you she can. There's always some level risk, heck she could chomp down on your dick. Having rapport with security & trying to avoid lodgings she may have contacts with are helpful.

If I'm worried about a woman's hands & her bags, then that's too big a red flag for me to continue the service. You should be able to overpower her, 3 somes on a 1st date to me are a big No. Asking her to shower with you is what I've done, let's do some foreplay, hygiene, and then assurance for no scope on her.

I'm not white, I've had Colombianas think I'm a dark skinned Colo / Cuban / Dominican, still your body frame, how you walk, and especially how you talk will give you away. You can always say no, negotiate, or walk away.

[QUOTE=Butch145;2891240]...of food places in walking distance again thanks to miami boy for all the restaurant suggestion.

I was a bit concerned I bought around 80 Viagra pills and was worried it could be an issue. I took all of them out of the pack and put into a medicine bottle. Easier to get in Colombia and cost cheaper than in USA.[/QUOTE]What's a good place to buy sildenafil / viagra in bulk? I went to a couple pharmacies during my last trip and it seemed like everywhere had it, but they would sell like 2 or 4 pills in a package.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2891616]Since when dies someone deserve to die for wearing a gold chain? We can rightly tell people that they need to be more careful overseas, but announcing that they are deserving of death is something else altogether. No wonder you had trouble saying it. There's better and more accurate way of making your point, they don't let animals off the hook.[/QUOTE]I appreciate you calling this out. Clearly lots of aholes on here. Yet I'm the bad guy when I mock them for their rudeness. Mfrs would argue here here and say I ruin their life for overpaying women, on places they don't go or can't afford to go. Dudes would be home jerking off and bitter so they come here to disrespect others. When I read that comment I'm like death? Unless someone's a pedo or committing crimes, you shouldn't wish them harm for living their lives and spending their hard earned money.

I often go 6 mo or longer without reporting and posting, then occasionally I'd either get bored or excited and post a report. And quickly I'm reminded and re-educated on the multitudes of jerks here. Not all obviously.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2891712]Is everyone here in agreement that Rio is safer?

For those of you who don't look like the "gringo", do you find it easier to fit in, get serviced, and not be targeted? I'm not white, and want the girls to know I have cash but at the same time not get overpriced by being from the US.[/QUOTE]Rio? Are you serious? Brasil and Colombia both have well-deserved reputations for being dangerous. That said, if you follow certain guidelines, you can reduce, though not eliminate, your chances of being a victim. I've been to both places dozens of times and haven't been a victim (though a couple close calls).

As far as your appearance, it might make a difference. But there have been Black, Latino, and Asian victims of these crimes against foreigners (I believe the article en El Colombiano references a Latino victim, though doesn't say where he's from). It's more important how you act than how you look. Don't throw around money, don't wear jewelry, watch your drink, stay in a place with a reception, etc.

It's also worth mentioning that Colombians themselves get "scoped." It's not limited to foreigners.

[QUOTE=Yuvaraj;2891788]I stayed in Hotel M in last month and posted my review. I didn't feel unsafe at all. One thing I might do slightly differently is to go LLeras park area and bring a girl back to the hotel since they don't charge any guest fee. Is LLeras walkable from Hotel M?[/QUOTE]It's walkable about a mile. Depends on the girl if she is willing to walk. LOL Be sure she has valid cedula to enter Hotel M.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2891911]... Depends on the girl if she is willing to walk. LOL Be sure she has valid cedula to enter Hotel M.[/QUOTE]Haha don't count on it. A working girl would not walk from lleras to the mansion, not practical.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2891915]Haha don't count on it. A working girl would not walk from lleras to the mansion, not practical.[/QUOTE]Not many would. Also there are some quiet spots along that walk (around Parque La Presidenta) that are prime mugging spots. I'll run if I'm alone but not if walking with a chick.

[QUOTE=Yuvaraj;2891788]I stayed in Hotel M in last month and posted my review. I didn't feel unsafe at all. One thing I might do slightly differently is to go LLeras park area and bring a girl back to the hotel since they don't charge any guest fee. Is LLeras walkable from Hotel M?[/QUOTE]Is it walkable? Yes. I've done it many times. I've never felt unsafe doing so. But depending on your familarity with the area, comfort level on dark streets, I'm sure some would say it's foolish. But you could avoid the shortcut and take a longer route staying on two very busy streets. That said, uber is super cheap. It'll cost you probably a couple dollars. I'd recommend uber to get you close. Depending on the route, it's probably easiest to walk the last two blocks due to insane traffic.

However, I do not think any chica would be agreeable to that walk. LOL It's not a difficult walk, but it takes 15 minutes, give or take. And it's mostly flat. But I highly doubt any girl would do it. And again, a couple bucks to uber is money well spent.

One word of caution. I've read alot of stories about dangerous taxis leaving lleras. I've never had a problem with them. But uber is probably the safer option.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2891915]Haha don't count on it. A working girl would not walk from lleras to the mansion, not practical.[/QUOTE]He can get an indriver from. Lleras to the mansion for relatively cheap tho.

Another gringo bites the dust, this time in La Floresta.

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[QUOTE=Stl24;2891633]I am having a little bit of difficulty in finding the Hotel M or Mansion Hotel. If anyone can point me in the direction with an address or a link I would appreciate it. Also looking for any other locations besides close to Lleras that has street girls readily available that are safe to stay in. Another side note, I don't speak Spanish so keep that in mind LOL.

I a very experienced traveler including several locations that have the crime profile of what I'm reading about on the forum and online.[/QUOTE]Heard from reliable sources the mansion is going through a transition end of this month. Transition as in ownership change and probably it will no longer be what it has been. So you might want to look into other options.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2891942]Heard from reliable sources the mansion is going through a transition end of this month. Transition as in ownership change and probably it will no longer be what it has been. So you might want to look into other options.[/QUOTE]I've heard no daytime chicas at pool now. Chicas allowed in hotel M1 by appointment only. Bar opens at 6 PM with all chicas can enter.

[QUOTE=Yuvaraj;2891788]I stayed in Hotel M in last month and posted my review. I didn't feel unsafe at all. One thing I might do slightly differently is to go LLeras park area and bring a girl back to the hotel since they don't charge any guest fee. Is LLeras walkable from Hotel M?[/QUOTE]Uber from LLeras to the mansion is less than $2 USD. Save that energy and stamina for fucking LOL.

Yeah. Thanks. That was the intent of the question that if LLeras and M are not too far from each other but clearly I didn't ask the question properly. .

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2891954]Uber from LLeras to the mansion is less than $2 USD. Save that energy and stamina for fucking LOL.[/QUOTE]

Meaning, we will have only fewer number of girls by the pool?

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2891944]I've heard no daytime chicas at pool now. Chicas allowed in hotel M1 by appointment only. Bar opens at 6 PM with all chicas can enter.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yuvaraj;2891957]Meaning, we will have only fewer number of girls by the pool?[/QUOTE]With that uncertainty of a roster, need to Uber, & the sound that the Hotel itself isn't high quality I'll likely pass on it.

In Cartagena I was able to knock off 50-150 K cop from club girls bc my place was 1 block away. Some initially assumed I was in Bocagrande Laguito 15-20 min drive away.

[QUOTE=Yuvaraj;2891957]Meaning, we will have only fewer number of girls by the pool?[/QUOTE]I said NO chicas allowed at pool. They can only enter with an appointment & must leave after from the info I am getting.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2891616]Since when dies someone deserve to die for wearing a gold chain? We can rightly tell people that they need to be more careful overseas, but announcing that they are deserving of death is something else altogether. No wonder you had trouble saying it. There's better and more accurate way of making your point, they don't let animals off the hook.[/QUOTE]There is a certain level of stupidity that demands consequences whether you know it or not or like it or not. Example. Let's say you have girlish attributes and go to prison with no dress code and you choose to keep wearing shorts that have an arrow aimed at your A-hole that says "Please enter here! You then get raped in your A-hole. You were too stupid to assume what would happen? Now I should feel sorry for you? Stupid games stupid prizes.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2891960]With that uncertainty of a roster, need to Uber, & the sound that the Hotel itself isn't high quality I'll likely pass on it.

In Cartagena I was able to knock off 50-150 K cop from club girls bc my place was 1 block away. Some initially assumed I was in Bocagrande Laguito 15-20 min drive away.[/QUOTE]Being the only mongering focused hotel around, I wouldn't think that even new management would want to risk losing that status and business model.

Hi, are there any late evening / night casas around centro? I can only session after 6-7 pm but equally don't want to be the last customer when the girls are tired and prepping to go home. Thanks.

This is not good news. Hopefully thy reconsider it.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2891978]I said NO chicas allowed at pool. They can only enter with an appointment & must leave after from the info I am getting.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2892065]Being the only mongering focused hotel around, I wouldn't think that even new management would want to risk losing that status and business model.[/QUOTE]I have no first hand knowledge about this, though I will reach out to a few friends there today. But you make an excellent point.

Granted, it's one of a few hotels that would be very girl friendly. But that's about the only benefit. I suppose having a room above the bar would be a plus. But there's no real benefit there because I take the girls to a better hotel. And the girls prefer that.

To your point, it's unique in that is is a mongering hotel. It's also baffling that they would change the model because they're usually at 100% capacity.

But they've always had to battle some politics. Their neighbors are not fans of the place. And they have had their share of issues with the city, be it licensing or complaints.

All that said, why would you buy that place and then eliminate the number one draw? It's not like anyone goes there for a luxury room. And the location isn't horrible but it's not walking distance to anything a monger wants except for a few massage places in Rio Sur. That would be an odd purchase, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2892103]I have no first hand knowledge about this, though I will reach out to a few friends there today. But you make an excellent point.

Granted, it's one of a few hotels that would be very girl friendly. But that's about the only benefit. I suppose having a room above the bar would be a plus. But there's no real benefit there because I take the girls to a better hotel. And the girls prefer that.

To your point, it's unique in that is is a mongering hotel. It's also baffling that they would change the model because they're usually at 100% capacity.

But they've always had to battle some politics. Their neighbors are not fans of the place. And they have had their share of issues with the city, be it licensing or complaints.

All that said, why would you buy that place and then eliminate the number one draw? It's not like anyone goes there for a luxury room. And the location isn't horrible but it's not walking distance to anything a monger wants except for a few massage places in Rio Sur. That would be an odd purchase, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]The closest that I see for this type of hotel is Blackbeard's resort in Dominican Republic where every guest is a monger and they have prescreened girls in their pool area. I'm actually surprised that Medellin has not opened another establishment like Hotel M since it's such a great business model.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2892198]The closest that I see for this type of hotel is Blackbeard's resort in Dominican Republic where every guest is a monger and they have prescreened girls in their pool area. I'm actually surprised that Medellin has not opened another establishment like Hotel M since it's such a great business model.[/QUOTE]Excellent comparison. One significant distinction. At the mansion, the girls are independent and set their own prices, whereas Blackbeards is a set price. But I'm splitting hairs.

It is a great business model. The problem is it pushes legal boundaries. (That is one of the constant challenges for ownership.)

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2892198]The closest that I see for this type of hotel is Blackbeard's resort in Dominican Republic where every guest is a monger and they have prescreened girls in their pool area. I'm actually surprised that Medellin has not opened another establishment like Hotel M since it's such a great business model.[/QUOTE]If it was such a great business model then you would see more. The truth of the matter is that it is probably not worth the headache.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2892065]Being the only mongering focused hotel around, I wouldn't think that even new management would want to risk losing that status and business model.[/QUOTE]They may not have a choice. The neighbors hate the Mansion. The police have been all over them for years. It's possible that it's been made clear that they either change their "business model" or be shut down for good (I have no inside knowledge).

[QUOTE=Combo;2892228]They may not have a choice. The neighbors hate the Mansion. The police have been all over them for years. It's possible that it's been made clear that they either change their "business model" or be shut down for good.[/QUOTE]Hmm, I'll have to confirm with them before I book a room for the spring.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2892103]I have no first hand knowledge about this, though I will reach out to a few friends there today. But you make an excellent point.

Granted, it's one of a few hotels that would be very girl friendly. But that's about the only benefit. I suppose having a room above the bar would be a plus. But there's no real benefit there because I take the girls to a better hotel. And the girls prefer that.

To your point, it's unique in that is is a mongering hotel. It's also baffling that they would change the model because they're usually at 100% capacity.

But they've always had to battle some politics. Their neighbors are not fans of the place. And they have had their share of issues with the city, be it licensing or complaints.

All that said, why would you buy that place and then eliminate the number one draw? It's not like anyone goes there for a luxury room. And the location isn't horrible but it's not walking distance to anything a monger wants except for a few massage places in Rio Sur. That would be an odd purchase, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]For what it's worth: the employees are not aware if it is being sold. They are telling me that they know something is going on. But, they also say there is always something rumored to be happening. It's fair to say they are worried but also not convinced it will be sold. I've talked to a few of the chicas and they are hearing a lot of rumors but nothing concrete.

For those planning a trip yet haven't made reservations, if it was me I would wait it out. Unless their policies have changed, you have to pay one night to hold the reservation. I wouldn't sink the $100, but that's just my opinion.

Same tactics used in Colombia, Brazil and these other places.

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[QUOTE=TonyEm;2892083]Hi, are there any late evening / night casas around centro? I can only session after 6-7 pm but equally don't want to be the last customer when the girls are tired and prepping to go home. Thanks.[/QUOTE]The casas action switches over to the strip clubs at that time. A similar number of women but the on-site rooms are much, much worse. Likely a little more expensive too. You could pretty much walk into one, do a lap to check out all the girls on the floor at the time, and make your selection from whomever catches your eye.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2892224]If it was such a great business model then you would see more. The truth of the matter is that it is probably not worth the headache.[/QUOTE]The location they are in, the property, is probably worth a lot more if it were developed for something else, so there is that possible motivation to sell. Plus the area is not zoned for sex related activities, and there are no other types of casas or massage places or such on Avenida Poblado or a block off as in this case. And there is a huge anti-sextourism push going on in Medellin, not just recently, but I think gaining steam as various hotels sign on to not allow any such activities. So perhaps this place gets targeted by those activists and then has to stay very low key. I know the fact that the pool area could be seen from surrounding buildings was an issue, and that has been restricted. Anyway.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2892021]...... choose to keep wearing shorts that have an arrow aimed at your A-hole that says "Please enter here! You then get raped in your A-hole. You were too stupid to assume what would happen? Now I should feel sorry for you? Stupid games stupid prizes.[/QUOTE]If a dude in jail wears shorts that have an arrow aimed at his A-hole that says "Please enter here! and gets raped I don't think he'd complain, I think he'd be in glee.

Hi,

Looking to book hotel Nutibara but is a little confused as should I book for one person or 2 as per my past experience with they don't bother to check if you have booking for 2 or 1 person until someone stay at night and you want breakfast for two people, almost every time they just take the photo copy of the cedula and let the girl in, any input from members on it?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2880612]Listen, in hotel Nutibura you can bring for free 1 girl per day in your room after 6 pm. They never asked me to pay 70 k.

And almost all the girls I meet on facebook look the same in real but each time, before a girl come to me in my hotel, I always ask her to answer me on video on messenger or whasapp. If they don't want to do, I refuse the meeting.[/QUOTE]Even if you paid for one person for room, also can girl stay with you at night?

[QUOTE=L00PY;2892286]The casas action switches over to the strip clubs at that time. A similar number of women but the on-site rooms are much, much worse. Likely a little more expensive too. You could pretty much walk into one, do a lap to check out all the girls on the floor at the time, and make your selection from whomever catches your eye.[/QUOTE]Thanks, will look into that.

Few things first, thank you to all for the tips and whatnot. Have been to MDE twice, going again this year in May. You guys have helped so much with reports and whatnot. Thank you.

Any recommended outcall massage services? Found some previously on milerotics I think but was left unhappy. Last time some people staying close to us had some "massuses" come over that were amazing. Saw them leaving and couldn't get their info.

Going to be 5-6 people with us. Will be staying at Paris Suites right by Lleras Park and guest are not an issue. Stayed at Europa previously but less people going so downsizing.

Also best sites for escorts? Lacelestina seems to have died off. Even though previous trips we had better luck hitting local bars and bringing a group of girls back to the penthouse to party, I still like to see what's out there.

Also recommened chefs? Found a few online that were too overpriced.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2892259]For what it's worth: the employees are not aware if it is being sold. They are telling me that they know something is going on. But, they also say there is always something rumored to be happening. It's fair to say they are worried but also not convinced it will be sold. I've talked to a few of the chicas and they are hearing a lot of rumors but nothing concrete.

For those planning a trip yet haven't made reservations, if it was me I would wait it out. Unless their policies have changed, you have to pay one night to hold the reservation. I wouldn't sink the $100, but that's just my opinion.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. That kills my plan for Hotel M. I'd rather just stay at one of the pretty nice several airbnbs near Lleras with security.

Can you give the name of those airbnbs please? I'm looking to go back in Spring. I spoke with the hotel today and they confirmed that there will be no girls by the pool in the afternoons. So I'm looking for girls friendly airbnbs that is not too far from hotel m (I just like the area with casino and starbucks etc).

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2892436]Thanks for the info. That kills my plan for Hotel M. I'd rather just stay at one of the pretty nice several airbnbs near Lleras with security.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2892436]Thanks for the info. That kills my plan for Hotel M. I'd rather just stay at one of the pretty nice several airbnbs near Lleras with security.[/QUOTE]How would we confirm if any Airbnb listings have security on site?

Luna Lunera used to be my after work go to option back in my business traveler days. Like all the night time venues, they charge a bit more than the casas. Speaking of casas, I popped into Aiffe earlier this week. I don't mean to be unkind but I must say they right now have one of the worst lineups I've seen in a long time in a Centro casa.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2892286]The casas action switches over to the strip clubs at that time. A similar number of women but the on-site rooms are much, much worse. Likely a little more expensive too. You could pretty much walk into one, do a lap to check out all the girls on the floor at the time, and make your selection from whomever catches your eye.[/QUOTE]

Long time monger trying Medellin for the first time with another 65 year old friend. We've got a apartment up in Provenza with a jacuzzi for three nights (Monday / Tues / Wedn), and we both speak a fair amount of Spanish. I'm used to Sosua (and a bit of Costa Rica and Cartegena too) and wondering if my typical practices are going to fly with Facebook girls and those we might find in the Lleras area.

After chatting ladies up in a public place like a bar, I make sure they agree that: I'll pay them at the end, GFE ("trato de novia" in Colombia?) with DFK ("besos con lengua" BBBJ ("oral natural" and a propina if they make me come (not a given after sport fucking for a few days). (how do they say "come" in Colombian? And is it the same word for a woman's orgasm?

Is that going to fly in Medellin? I figure we'll line up pairs of FB girls for the day and cruise the local bars / park at night. (bear in mind weeknights) Will the FB girls meet us in a bar or coffee shop downstairs for a chat before we bring them up? If there's no chemistry and we send them on their way, what is fair, like 50-100 k each?

I'm building up a FB harem in advance (20 so far) but the LaCelestina. Co girls look hot too. Am I right that the agency girls are going to be more punctual, more expensive for less time, and maybe more consistent performance-wise? I'm hoping the FB cuties might be more fun to hang out with in the jacuzzi. I do see us drinking with the girls back at the apartment, and while that doesn't seem super stupid (two guys, good building security), might the agency girls be a bit safer?

Thanks for your thoughts, and all the background already on the forum. Count on a detailed report from me later.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2892492]How would we confirm if any Airbnb listings have security on site?[/QUOTE]On the AirBnb listing look at the more info or reviews. If the property has a security guard one of those two places will usually mention it. Also look at the guest policy. If it states a generic "additional guests need to be confirmed with the host" etc then most likely can't bring anyone back. So avoid those places.

If anyone on the listing it states "bachelor party friendly" then you're usually good to go. But just message the host if needed and ask if local guests are allowed.

I've only stayed at Europa Suites which is on Calle 38 I think, a stones throw away from Lleras Park. The place is lavish. Super nice. 2 story penthouse with jacuzzi and 10 bedrooms, 2 of which also have jacuzzis on room. They do have separate rooms but almost 200 a night. But comes with jacuzzi in room and can't beat the location if you want to be near Lleares Park.

Have seen plenty on AibBnb for 100-130 a night.

[QUOTE=Phreeman69;2892506]Long time monger trying Medellin for the first time with another 65 year old friend. We've got a apartment up in Provenza with a jacuzzi for three nights (Monday / Tues / Wedn), and we both speak a fair amount of Spanish. I'm used to Sosua (and a bit of Costa Rica and Cartegena too) and wondering if my typical practices are going to fly with Facebook girls and those we might find in the Lleras area.

After chatting ladies up in a public place like a bar, I make sure they agree that: I'll pay them at the end, GFE ("trato de novia" in Colombia?) with DFK ("besos con lengua" BBBJ ("oral natural" and a propina if they make me come (not a given after sport fucking for a few days). (how do they say "come" in Colombian? And is it the same word for a woman's orgasm?

Is that going to fly in Medellin? I figure we'll line up pairs of FB girls for the day and cruise the local bars / park at night. (bear in mind weeknights) Will the FB girls meet us in a bar or coffee shop downstairs for a chat before we bring them up? If there's no chemistry and we send them on their way, what is fair, like 50-100 k each?

I'm building up a FB harem in advance (20 so far) but the LaCelestina. Co girls look hot too. Am I right that the agency girls are going to be more punctual, more expensive for less time, and maybe more consistent performance-wise? I'm hoping the FB cuties might be more fun to hang out with in the jacuzzi. I do see us drinking with the girls back at the apartment, and while that doesn't seem super stupid (two guys, good building security), might the agency girls be a bit safer?

Thanks for your thoughts, and all the background already on the forum. Count on a detailed report from me later.[/QUOTE]Not super experienced, but I've had the best luck going to some of the local bars and getting the girls from there to head back and party at the Airbnb. Would only recommend if you have security (we have 2 armed guards at our Airbnb that checks all girls IDs and wouldn't let a few in).

Agency girls (in my experience) are more all business. You're on the clock as soon as they show up, so drinking or whatever for a hour or so will cost. Just felt more transactional. Getting a good little group from Park Lleras or another bar / club around had worked best for us.

But I do like having the agency's as I can set something up in 10 min max while laying in bed or on the toilet and can't beat that.

Lastly I never dove into the FB girls (just too much time and effort) but the last 20 or so pages of this thread are most filled with the risks of FB / dating site girls.

I'm reading back a few pages and it seems MDE is attracting interest from some newcomers despite all the crime warnings, are those warnings attracting them?

It reminds me of the late 70's and very early 80's, we lived in a very nice area of Chicago, but nonetheless there was a wave of heroin overdoses for an extended period.

And the people dying werent from the area, some bikers were selling heroin and the buyers would get in their parked cars, shoot up and die.

It was even on the tv news which I think drove more deaths, the news said there was a very potent type of heroin hitting this area, called Mexican mud or black tar, or its latest cuter name.

Maybe for the female junkies "tootsie roll".

My theory some people are sheeple and live by the monkey see monkey do mentality.

The see MDE has pussy on the news and they book a flight nevermind the rest of the story talking about all the murders.

Not unlike the dead junkies in Chicago in the 70's or even today.

Again I'm very surprised by the number of newcomers, this website alone has hundreds of other places to visit.

But they want to goto to the thee most dangerous city in the world to monger, I can't think of another city in the entire world you're more likely to get killed in as a foreign monger.

I don't see as many repeat visitors posting? Maybe they know better, as we all know nature abhors a vacuum.

So in comes the newcomer!!

May God be with all of you!!

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2892492]How would we confirm if any Airbnb listings have security on site?[/QUOTE]They are just doormen, not really security to keep mongers safe. It still happened in hotels and buildings with security. The robbers don't think like you do, otherwise we would not see so many caught on videos.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2892492]How would we confirm if any Airbnb listings have security on site?[/QUOTE]If the Airbnb is in a condo building chances are there is security to allow people into the building. And some of the buildings have rules where the security people have to take information from non owners or non registered guests, such as looking at their ID. And confirming whether the host for that unit is ok with you bringing in visitors.

Anyway, if you see a unit that is in that type of building chances are it has security, but that does not mean it is totally safe as another post points out.

Airbnbs that are just independent apartments, or part of the hosts house, may not have any sort of security, but often do not allow guests especially if the host family is next door. The only way to know is to ask before you confirm your booking and pay.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2892494]Speaking of casas, I popped into Aiffe earlier this week. I don't mean to be unkind but I must say they right now have one of the worst lineups I've seen in a long time in a Centro casa.[/QUOTE]The Centro Casa scene kinda died off after C19 for a number of reasons. Salute to those that got to enjoy it during the good old days when there were 2 4 1 specials.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2892573]
Again I'm very surprised by the number of newcomers, this website alone has hundreds of other places to visit.

But they want to goto to the thee most dangerous city in the world to monger, I can't think of another city in the entire world you're more likely to get killed in as a foreign monger.

I don't see as many repeat visitors posting? Maybe they know better, as we all know nature abhors a vacuum.

So in comes the newcomer!!

May God be with all of you!![/QUOTE]I would be one of those MDE newcomers. It's either bag the Colombian girls in Costa Rica, Panama City or at the source in MDE. But my first trip to MDE would not be involved in bringing any girls to my room unless it's at the Hotel M (mansion) and it would be those from its pool / bar area. Other times like on day visits to New Life and Loutron, I would be utilizing their own rooms. Even for a night visit to La Isla I would elect to use one of their internal rooms too. I would use Uber / taxi for all transits. This might all seem super conservative but hopefully it reduces any safety issues. The only time I might consider a looser strategy is if I'm with a group of other fellow mongers I might meet down there. Again, it's this way or just go to Costa Rica or Panama City for the Colombians.

I have the impression that some people on this site do everything to prevent new men from coming to Medellin or elsewhere in Colombia by making them believe that the country is extremely dangerous and that the girls will rob them, or kidnap them, or kill. In fact, I think above all that they are afraid, that they will no longer be able to enjoy the most beautiful women of Medellin all to themselves. I went to Colombia twice this year, and I visited the whole country, and I fucked a lot of working girls I met on Facebook or in the casas of Medellin or in the street in El Centro and even Colombian pornstars and I had no problems! Plus I fucked them all bareback! I simply paid a little more! Afterwards, I didn't have any problems either, because I'm a kind, generous man, I don't drink, and I don't smoke. Now it's true that I pay a little more than the other members of this site, because I like to fuck beautiful, sexy working girls between 18 and 25 years old. And even though I'm quite a good-looking guy, I would have a hard time finding the same quality of sexy girls in my country for such little money. So YES, I don't mind paying pretty working girls between $30 and $120. As long as I get what I want and the girl is super hot, I don't mind paying that much every day for 2 weeks.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2892573]I'm reading back a few pages and it seems MDE is attracting interest from some newcomers despite all the crime warnings, are those warnings attracting them?

It reminds me of the late 70's and very early 80's, we lived in a very nice area of Chicago, but nonetheless there was a wave of heroin overdoses for an extended period.

And the people dying werent from the area, some bikers were selling heroin and the buyers would get in their parked cars, shoot up and die.

It was even on the tv news which I think drove more deaths, the news said there was a very potent type of heroin hitting this area, called Mexican mud or black tar, or its latest cuter name.

Maybe for the female junkies "tootsie roll".

My theory some people are sheeple and live by the monkey see monkey do mentality.

The see MDE has pussy on the news and they book a flight nevermind the rest of the story talking about all the murders.

Not unlike the dead junkies in Chicago in the 70's or even today.

Again I'm very surprised by the number of newcomers, this website alone has hundreds of other places to visit.

But they want to goto to the thee most dangerous city in the world to monger, I can't think of another city in the entire world you're more likely to get killed in as a foreign monger.

I don't see as many repeat visitors posting? Maybe they know better, as we all know nature abhors a vacuum.

So in comes the newcomer!!

May God be with all of you!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2892671] it's this way or just go to Costa Rica or Panama City for the Colombians.[/QUOTE]There are way more colombianas in Panamá than in CR. CR, a lot of the gals are from Nicaragua.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2880612]Listen, in hotel Nutibura you can bring for free 1 girl per day in your room after 6 pm. They never asked me to pay 70 k.

And almost all the girls I meet on facebook look the same in real but each time, before a girl come to me in my hotel, I always ask her to answer me on video on messenger or whasapp. If they don't want to do, I refuse the meeting.[/QUOTE]The last time I stayed there the rule was before 6 pm girls were free not after 6 pm.

More dead gringos in Colombia.

[URL]https://youtu.be/TfGbSqTLXds?si=4V6XixbrZP9EkDPW[/URL]

Follow Along.

There are other much better casas. I stop into Aiffe regularly because I'm friends with the family that owns the place. Spots like Ellas Erotica (both branches) and nearby Sexxy Amigas are more reliable.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2892637]The Centro Casa scene kinda died off after C19 for a number of reasons. Salute to those that got to enjoy it during the good old days when there were 2 4 1 specials.[/QUOTE]

I just wanted to put this out there since I will be MDE later this month. I am interested in women only. I don't care about food, alcohol or museums. It's all about women. Has anyone on here met any women from Instagram.

I have met one and wasn't the hottest IG girl but still a good lay. I have been collecting addresses and wondering if some these girls are P4 P if you know what I mean.

Vaneram346 jpriv. 15 fernanda31_ im_lalv22 and 18_vh.

I have two that found on Tinder that I am going to meet when I get there.

Any help would be cool!

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2892680]I have the impression that some people on this site do everything to prevent new men from coming to Medellin or elsewhere in Colombia by making them believe that the country is extremely dangerous and that the girls will rob them, or kidnap them, or kill. In fact, I think above all that they are afraid, that they will no longer be able to enjoy the most beautiful women of Medellin all to themselves. I went to Colombia twice this year, and I visited the whole country, and I fucked a lot of working girls I met on Facebook or in the casas of Medellin or in the street in El Centro and even Colombian pornstars and I had no problems! Plus I fucked them all bareback! I simply paid a little more! Afterwards, I didn't have any problems either, because I'm a kind, generous man, I don't drink, and I don't smoke. Now it's true that I pay a little more than the other members of this site, because I like to fuck beautiful, sexy working girls between 18 and 25 years old. And even though I'm quite a good-looking guy, I would have a hard time finding the same quality of sexy girls in my country for such little money. So YES, I don't mind paying pretty working girls between $30 and $120. As long as I get what I want and the girl is super hot, I don't mind paying that much every day for 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]Yea this guy marquis de sade is just trying to fearmonger and scare people away. While you should always take precautions to avoid being a victim, the odds of something bad actually happening to you are very slim. How many gringos were killed in Medellin in 2023?? Now think of how many gringos visited Medellin in 2023?? If you do the math you will see that it's not even like nowhere near even point one percent of gringos that got killed.

Just don't go around flashing and gold chains and jewelry and acting all stupid in public showing off and you should be fine.

[QUOTE=DaddyLou37;2892434]Few things first, thank you to all for the tips and whatnot. Have been to MDE twice, going again this year in May. You guys have helped so much with reports and whatnot. Thank you.

Any recommended outcall massage services? Found some previously on milerotics I think but was left unhappy. Last time some people staying close to us had some "massuses" come over that were amazing. Saw them leaving and couldn't get their info.

Going to be 5-6 people with us. Will be staying at Paris Suites right by Lleras Park and guest are not an issue. Stayed at Europa previously but less people going so downsizing.

Also best sites for escorts? Lacelestina seems to have died off. Even though previous trips we had better luck hitting local bars and bringing a group of girls back to the penthouse to party, I still like to see what's out there.

Also recommened chefs? Found a few online that were too overpriced.[/QUOTE]Passionprepago and prepago69 are pretty good quality. [URL]https://masajistaspaisas.com/[/URL] Also a hidden gem that doesn't really come up in many search engines but ALAWYS has quality bolt on paisa chicks. Its all just independents. The agency days seem to be few and far in between as its soo easy to setup and screen.

One that I Really miss was 1000 prepago. I swear I had 9 and 10 like legit super model on there. Ther was a girl I fuck from there that was on some foreign vogue or something. Too bad IG kinda let them know their value but still pleanty to be found!!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2892573]I'm reading back a few pages and it seems MDE is attracting interest from some newcomers despite all the crime warnings, are those warnings attracting them? Again I'm very surprised by the number of newcomers, this website alone has hundreds of other places to visit. But they want to goto to the thee most dangerous city in the world to monger, I can't think of another city in the entire world you're more likely to get killed in as a foreign monger.

May God be with all of you!![/QUOTE]Like a moth to a flame. This time a guy from the Netherlands checked in to his hotel and never checked out. Brought 2 chicks to the room at midnight and they left at 5 am. The cleaning lady found him dead. So for those that keep thinking I am safe if there is security or cameras, once again that has proven to be wrong.

[URL]https://www.minuto30.com/extranjero-fue-encontrado-sin-vida-en-un-hotel-de-medellin/1576601/?no_cache=1707527227&fbclid=IwAR0wsJbBDsRVR3TSCW3nBOsLkN3vf22a1pBmznb2dZLAxTRRVlgF8ccJaow_aem_ASabB2bS2dEgWT8WZpXxoEMu4ZLKj6biUWQhzsFAeHj5M7eFhabW7Y6nlRyQFG8KjQ4[/URL]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2892701]More dead gringos in Colombia.

[URL]https://youtu.be/TfGbSqTLXds?si=4V6XixbrZP9EkDPW[/URL]

Follow Along.[/QUOTE]What does a 70-year-old woman dying from a bad batch of ayahuasca have to do with anything? If you're actually trying to spread awareness, don't be the boy who cried wolf.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2892713]I just wanted to put this out there since I will be MDE later this month. I am interested in women only. I don't care about food, alcohol or museums. It's all about women. Has anyone on here met any women from Instagram.

I have met one and wasn't the hottest IG girl but still a good lay. I have been collecting addresses and wondering if some these girls are P4 P if you know what I mean.

Vaneram346 jpriv. 15 fernanda31_ im_lalv22 and 18_vh.

I have two that found on Tinder that I am going to meet when I get there.

Any help would be cool![/QUOTE]A city of 4. 5 million and you want information on 3 specific instagram girls. Good luck with that. Although you never know, someone from here might actually know something about them.

"I have the impression that some people on this site do everything to prevent new men from coming to Medellin or elsewhere in Colombia by making them believe that the country is extremely dangerous and that the girls will rob them, or kidnap them, or kill. In fact, I think above all that they are afraid, that they will no longer be able to enjoy the most beautiful women of Medellin all to themselves. I went to Colombia twice this year, and I visited the whole country, and I fucked a lot of working girls I met on Facebook or in the casas of Medellin or in the street in El Centro and even Colombian pornstars and I had no problems! Plus I fucked them all bareback! I simply paid a little more! Afterwards, I didn't have any problems either, because I'm a kind, generous man, I don't drink, and I don't smoke. Now it's true that I pay a little more than the other members of this site, because I like to fuck beautiful, sexy working girls between 18 and 25 years old. And even though I'm quite a good-looking guy, I would have a hard time finding the same quality of sexy girls in my country for such little money. So YES, I don't mind paying pretty working girls between $30 and $120. As long as I get what I want and the girl is super hot, I don't mind paying that much every day for 2 weeks. ".

To deny you of your right to risk your life for some 3rd world putas? Seriously wow.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c[/URL]

Dead mans famous last words, I had no problems!! Until oopsie!!

Like the asian comedian from Minnesota killed recently told all his friends and family, he never felt unsafe in MDE.

I guess not until someone cut his throat for $37 and back up old cell phone.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2892680]I have the impression that some people on this site do everything to prevent new men from coming to Medellin or elsewhere in Colombia by making them believe that the country is extremely dangerous and that the girls will rob them, or kidnap them, or kill. In fact, I think above all that they are afraid, that they will no longer be able to enjoy the most beautiful women of Medellin all to themselves. I went to Colombia twice this year, and I visited the whole country, and I fucked a lot of working girls I met on Facebook or in the casas of Medellin or in the street in El Centro and even Colombian pornstars and I had no problems! Plus I fucked them all bareback! I simply paid a little more! Afterwards, I didn't have any problems either, because I'm a kind, generous man, I don't drink, and I don't smoke. Now it's true that I pay a little more than the other members of this site, because I like to fuck beautiful, sexy working girls between 18 and 25 years old. And even though I'm quite a good-looking guy, I would have a hard time finding the same quality of sexy girls in my country for such little money. So YES, I don't mind paying pretty working girls between $30 and $120. As long as I get what I want and the girl is super hot, I don't mind paying that much every day for 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]I'll be down there in a few weeks and I have a good base with Spanish and I'm not sticking out late in certain locations without a buddy or group. A lot of the killings can all be prevented if many of them did their research and stay off dating apps, etc. Using common sense is a worldwide trait, we just got to use it more.

[QUOTE=DaddyLou37;2892509]Not super experienced, but I've had the best luck going to some of the local bars and getting the girls from there to head back and party at the Airbnb. Would only recommend if you have security (we have 2 armed guards at our Airbnb that checks all girls IDs and wouldn't let a few in).

Agency girls (in my experience) are more all business. You're on the clock as soon as they show up, so drinking or whatever for a hour or so will cost. Just felt more transactional. Getting a good little group from Park Lleras or another bar / club around had worked best for us.

But I do like having the agency's as I can set something up in 10 min max while laying in bed or on the toilet and can't beat that.
[/QUOTE]By local bars do you mean the ones near lleras or 70?

Also what agency's are you referring to?

I know if mileroticos pasion prepago. Are there others? I have a bachelor party soon and wouldn't mind having the company of 5-6 girls.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2892680]..... I'm a kind, generous man, I don't drink.......[/QUOTE]First off how does a kind, generous man who does not drink get civilians? For me getting a girl to my place and having a drink or two with her makes getting into her panties much less difficult. Even with a hooker I find I get better service from her if she's a little tipsy.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2892715]Yea this guy marquis de sade is just trying to fearmonger and scare people away. [/QUOTE]Given all the youtube vids, Facebook and WhatsApp groups, mongering forums, etc. , I doubt anyone can stop the influx of sex tourists into Medellin. For every marquis de sade, there are a 1,000 dudes encouraging other dudes to come to Medellin. Same for Sosua and other mongering locations. Then people complain later on about the demise of the location LOL.

How many of you guys would be willing to pay top dollar (1-2 K USD) for famous colombian instagram models / influencers (100 k followers +)?

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2892849]How many of you guys would be willing to pay top dollar (1-2 K USD) for famous colombian instagram models / influencers (100 k followers +)?[/QUOTE]For the entire night or per the HR? Also, you'd have to post an example of what they look like, if they look like the ones in the U.S I'm sure some people would pay if it's for the night.

This is how you get set up and murdered in a foreign country.

[URL]https://worldstar.com/videos/wshhNSzoTeB9dsW4QWHp/passport-bro-going-out-sad-colombian-woman-fights-and-humiliates-bro-for-not-paying-after-they-ran-a-train-on-her[/URL]

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2892849]How many of you guys would be willing to pay top dollar (1-2 K USD) for famous colombian instagram models / influencers (100 k followers +)?[/QUOTE]That is like eating a Big Mac hamburger and paying $1000 just because it was served by a waiter on a fine linen tablecloth, gold plate, crystal glass, silverware. Your Instagram chicks are no prettier than what you can find walking down the street. You want to brag? Brag about what? That you paid several times too much? That just makes other guys know you are an idiot. No guy cares who you "F". The only difference between a model and another girl is that one is on a magazine and other is not.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2892713]I just wanted to put this out there since I will be MDE later this month. I am interested in women only. I don't care about food, alcohol or museums. It's all about women. Has anyone on here met any women from Instagram.

I have met one and wasn't the hottest IG girl but still a good lay. I have been collecting addresses and wondering if some these girls are P4 P if you know what I mean.

Vaneram346 jpriv. 15 fernanda31_ im_lalv22 and 18_vh.

I have two that found on Tinder that I am going to meet when I get there.

Any help would be cool![/QUOTE]When are you guys start to know that Tinder is a deadly trap a lot of times?

[QUOTE=FlawlessZeal;2892725]What does a 70-year-old woman dying from a bad batch of ayahuasca have to do with anything? If you're actually trying to spread awareness, don't be the boy who cried wolf.[/QUOTE]If you had watched the whole video you would have saw that he mentioned several other cases of dead gringos from this month and in January.

The lady with the ayahuacsca was just the first one he mentioned.

Definitely a big no, you can find equally beautiful girls for normal prices. If you want to drop that $$ because they are "famous" that's a different thing.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2892849]How many of you guys would be willing to pay top dollar (1-2 K USD) for famous colombian instagram models / influencers (100 k followers +)?[/QUOTE]

Best way to find out is send them messages and see if they respond, that's a big IF. Also the highest % of drugings of expats come from Tinder. There have been people that have been mongering for years down there and they still get drugged almost always from girls on Tinder. It really does have the highest % of incidents.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2892713]I just wanted to put this out there since I will be MDE later this month. I am interested in women only. I don't care about food, alcohol or museums. It's all about women. Has anyone on here met any women from Instagram.

I have met one and wasn't the hottest IG girl but still a good lay. I have been collecting addresses and wondering if some these girls are P4 P if you know what I mean.

Vaneram346 jpriv. 15 fernanda31_ im_lalv22 and 18_vh.

I have two that found on Tinder that I am going to meet when I get there.

Any help would be cool![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2892849]How many of you guys would be willing to pay top dollar (1-2 K USD) for famous colombian instagram models / influencers (100 k followers +)?[/QUOTE]Absolutely not LOL. I could get 3 equally beautiful girls girls, a penthouse and a whole night of fun with that.

[QUOTE=Zhagolo52;2892871]Definitely a big no, you can find equally beautiful girls for normal prices. If you want to drop that $$ because they are "famous" that's a different thing.[/QUOTE]I had one for 300 mil. You can find women for as low low as 80 mil. However, for those us of traveling from the west coast ,pinching pennies makes no sense. I won't pay 300 US dollars but I won't haggle over transportation money either.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2892726]A city of 4. 5 million and you want information on 3 specific instagram girls. Good luck with that. Although you never know, someone from here might actually know something about them.[/QUOTE]Dude, I was just asking if anyone knew if they were on the market. These aren't random chicas that you find on the street. It's worth asking regardless of the incoming.

Hey guys I am going to be in MDE for 2 nights only (sadly) and will be there for a bachelor party. We got a nice airbnb near parque lleras and I was wondering if you know any agency's aside from mileroticos prepagos69 etc where I can get a group of girls to join us? Lot of the guys are married so not all girls will need to provide FS except me ofc.

I know there are plenty near the park but not all are trustworthy or reliable and vetting will take time I don't have. I figure most girls might do FS only but just wondering what other alternatives there are. I’ll gladly take FS girls and I can take it from there. I speak the language so shouldn’t be an issue. Just looking for 4-6 girls. Thanks and feel free to pm.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2892888]Dude, I was just asking if anyone knew if they were on the market. These aren't random chicas that you find on the street.[/QUOTE]I agree. They are random chicas that you find on the internet.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2892849]How many of you guys would be willing to pay top dollar (1-2 K USD) for famous colombian instagram models / influencers (100 k followers +)?[/QUOTE]I have never paid more than $50 for some pussy and I have fucked porn stars in Brazil. I am not impressed by someone having followers or being so-called internet "influencers" or "models" (of which there must be millions of). You are aware that anyone can literally buy followers right? But I guess if you saw her on the internet then she must be good.

I am trying to decide between Europa Suites and an AirBNB I found at Edificio Provenza Life near the Calle 6/ Calle 33 split. As stated before my motivation is not food or drinking or partying or nightlife. My sole focus is the same thing KeviKevi said, it's all about the women. I want to maximize my time and I plan on seeing 3-4 women per day. I'd like the opportunity to bring some back to my place (with the proper safety measures taken of course). The host of the AirBNB said they have 24 hour reception and guests are permitted. Just looking at the pictures I do like the AirBNB as it is more like an apartment and the Europa Suite doesn't seem like it has the same feel. I don't mind using Uber or Taxi but the appeal of being that close to Lleras Park is appealing for finding street girls and walking back. Does taking an uber or taxi vs walking back to Europa after finding a girl impact or limit my options. I'll also take any feedback about Europa or Edificio Provenza Life. As always, thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2892838]Given all the youtube vids, Facebook and WhatsApp groups, mongering forums, etc. , I doubt anyone can stop the influx of sex tourists into Medellin. For every marquis de sade, there are a 1,000 dudes encouraging other dudes to come to Medellin. Same for Sosua and other mongering locations. Then people complain later on about the demise of the location LOL.[/QUOTE]If only Colombia government takes a harsh line on hordes of these rascals on youtube and puts some of them in jail like Costa Rica did with that one idiot, the pandemic can be brought under control quite fast. Will help Medellin, will help us all and certainly will save few lives. Of the noobs and gullibles who have no idea how dangerous things are in Colombia.

[QUOTE=FlawlessZeal;2892725]What does a 70-year-old woman dying from a bad batch of ayahuasca have to do with anything? If you're actually trying to spread awareness, don't be the boy who cried wolf.[/QUOTE]Here is this better?

[URL]https://youtu.be/EUfvK0Cj5sA?si=sLxU_oTxvIs8RHXe[/URL]

5 Dead In 1 Week.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence [URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/medellin/encuentran-extranjero-holandes-muerto-en-un-hotel-en-el-poblado-medellin-JG23708551[/URL].

Well MarquisdeSade, I suggest you with all what you say to never go back Colombia! Colombia is not for you anymore. Be careful!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2892752]"I have the impression that some people on this site do everything to prevent new men from coming to Medellin or elsewhere in Colombia by making them believe that the country is extremely dangerous and that the girls will rob them, or kidnap them, or kill. In fact, I think above all that they are afraid, that they will no longer be able to enjoy the most beautiful women of Medellin all to themselves. I went to Colombia twice this year, and I visited the whole country, and I fucked a lot of working girls I met on Facebook or in the casas of Medellin or in the street in El Centro and even Colombian pornstars and I had no problems! Plus I fucked them all bareback! I simply paid a little more! Afterwards, I didn't have any problems either, because I'm a kind, generous man, I don't drink, and I don't smoke. Now it's true that I pay a little more than the other members of this site, because I like to fuck beautiful, sexy working girls between 18 and 25 years old. And even though I'm quite a good-looking guy, I would have a hard time finding the same quality of sexy girls in my country for such little money. So YES, I don't mind paying pretty working girls between $30 and $120. As long as I get what I want and the girl is super hot, I don't mind paying that much every day for 2 weeks. ".

To deny you of your right to risk your life for some 3rd world putas? Seriously wow.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c[/URL]

Dead mans famous last words, I had no problems!! Until oopsie!!

Like the asian comedian from Minnesota killed recently told all his friends and family, he never felt unsafe in MDE.

I guess not until someone cut his throat for $37 and back up old cell phone.[/QUOTE]

At this point, the Admin should lock this thread and Cartagena until all the kidnapping, murders, and drugging stop.

Also, it would be helpful to mention other South American destinations to go instead that are much safer.

On a side note, when I visit Medelin later this year, how many girls will a budget of 5000 USD get me? Trying to know how much to budget per day, and if its possible to find at least one GFE complete run way model for a day compared to the regulars youd find on the street. The kind of girl you'd see in the Hollywood movies like Sofía Vergara or who thinks they're worth 1000+ USD if they tour the states.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2892896]I agree. They are random chicas that you find on the internet.[/QUOTE]Let me tell you I have been doing this mongering thing for over 25 years. The Instagram girls I listed are many things except random.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2892899]I have never paid more than $50 for some pussy and I have fucked porn stars in Brazil. I am not impressed by someone having followers or being so-called internet "influencers" or "models" (of which there must be millions of). You are aware that anyone can literally buy followers right? But I guess if you saw her on the internet then she must be good.[/QUOTE]You are not impressed by a guy who wants to have sex with an influencer? Then you think all of us are impressed that you had sex with a porn star? Oh, and that you never pay more than $50? Color me red with envy. I thought all your sex was free with lawyers, actresses, doctors, politicians, and such? Funny you never mention girls that a guy would more easily run across on a day to day basis such as a hotel worker or a waitress at a restaurant. The saddest part is I know you really believe your own crap. Except when you post pictures and the guys here inform you that they have had the same girl as you.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2892928]5 Dead In 1 Week.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence [URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/medellin/encuentran-extranjero-holandes-muerto-en-un-hotel-en-el-poblado-medellin-JG23708551[/URL].[/QUOTE]They're just getting killed to scare guys away from visiting.

[QUOTE=Combo;2892974]They're just getting killed to scare guys away from visiting.[/QUOTE]My two cents on it is this city was always violent, however as economic times get harder in the world, more desperate people flock to Colombia leaving Venezuela it is putting pressure on people. Also the concentration of wealth in these areas has caused more criminals to come to the area. Also couples with more access to internet and information this place as had a bigger target on on the back for sex tourism. Also the growth of location based dating apps has just added to this oppritunity for people to put themselves in positions.

Use caution, its not safe, don't give papaya, have good security measures, avoid groups of girls you don't know. Use your gut. Try and build good networks here with people so you know who you can trust a little bit more.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2892898]"Yea this guy marquis de sade is just trying to fearmonger and scare people away. While you should always take precautions to avoid being a victim, the odds of something bad actually happening to you are very slim. How many gringos were killed in Medellin in 2023?? Now think of how many gringos visited Medellin in 2023?? If you do the math you will see that it's not even like nowhere near even point one percent of gringos that got killed.

Just don't go around flashing and gold chains and jewelry and acting all stupid in public showing off and you should be fine. ".

You must be the biggest fool on this site, and wow that says a lot you have stiff competition.

PRO TIP to all don't risk your life listening to some moron on the internet telling you, you should be fine.

All the while posting videos of all the mongers getting killed in MDE.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PXbplqnQ2U[/URL]

Wow they don't get much "dummer" than YOU.

"If you do the math you will see that it's not even like nowhere near even point one percent of gringos that got killed".

This is your reasoning wow, you are a retard.

Show me another mongering hub with murders of mongers?

Giving dangerous advise to others is bad karma, maybe you will be next.

I'm guessing trash like you like to encourage others to visit, you don't care if they get killed.

You must think the more mongers the safer you will be.

And if less show up you will be a bigger target.

Good luck, Karma will be looking for you scumbag!![/QUOTE]Get off my nuts, Mercury Marquis. You're an old elderly man with poor compression skills. Yes I link DCRob's videos to show others what's going on so that they are aware. I'm not going to tell people that they shouldn't come to Medellin though, they can make their own decisions. As long as you're not flashing jewelry and acting stupid you should be okay here, I stand by that statement. You on the other hand are delusional and feel the need to call me names and say I'll have bad karma? Do you even understand how karma works? I would have to do something bad to have bad karma and I haven't done anything bad so how do you come to your stupid conclusions?

And for the record I have been here for years and have yet to be kidnapped and / or killed, and furthermore I would welcome any motherfucker to try it and see what happens. To quote Mr E "they better kill me on the spot" point fucking blank, cause it will be a cold day in hell that I'll let a motherfucker kidnap Gabacho mothaphukkin Locc.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2892932]Well MarquisdeSade, I suggest you with all what you say to never go back Colombia! Colombia is not for you anymore. Be careful![/QUOTE]Couldn't agree with you more. Mr Mercury needs to stay TF out of Colombia.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2892888]Dude, I was just asking if anyone knew if they were on the market. These aren't random chicas that you find on the street. It's worth asking regardless of the incoming.[/QUOTE]Of course they are not random in that sense. But there are thousands, probably hundreds of thousands, of chicas on Instagram in Colombia. So chances of anyone knowing anything are very low as Instagram does not make it easy for one to check out anything about the person you may hook up with. But best of luck. The problem with Instagram is related to that very thing. It has become a prime way for those that want to rob / drug people they hook up with. So take care.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2892980]My two cents on it is this city was always violent, however as economic times get harder in the world, more desperate people flock to Colombia leaving Venezuela it is putting pressure on people. Also the concentration of wealth in these areas has caused more criminals to come to the area. Also couples with more access to internet and information this place as had a bigger target on on the back for sex tourism. Also the growth of location based dating apps has just added to this opportunity for people to put themselves in positions. Use caution, its not safe, don't give papaya, have good security measures, avoid groups of girls you don't know. Use your gut. Try and build good networks here with people so you know who you can trust a little bit more.[/QUOTE]This hits the nail on the head spot on. There's always been a danger element, but its gotten far worse with the increase in both sex tourists and Venezuelan refugees flooding into Colombia. When I was a regular Colombia visitor "Me-del-lin" (dumb gringo pronunciation) had not been fully discovered yet by North Americans and Europeans. Now [B]everybody[/B] knows and we have an increasingly dangerous cocktail of indignant locals, desperate refugees, and lecherous gringos all mixing together in one place. Look out!

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2892849]How many of you guys would be willing to pay top dollar (1-2 K USD) for famous colombian instagram models / influencers (100 k followers +)?[/QUOTE]Last I checked you can buy hundreds of thousands of followers for a few hundred bucks. Then there are the filters where women can make themselves look less fat, taller ETC, and I read somewhere an astonishing percentage of women on Instagram do just that.

I have a video of a Colombian woman in Bogota who would probably make your dick hard and it is not altered. In real life though, she was pretty underwhelming because she hid some of her worst features like her teeth and breasts, and her skin in real life was gross. To truly assess their beauty, you have to meet them.

Offering big money to a Colombian woman sight unseen is a big mistake. You will be conned.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2892928]5 Dead In 1 Week.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence [URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/medellin/encuentran-extranjero-holandes-muerto-en-un-hotel-en-el-poblado-medellin-JG23708551[/URL].[/QUOTE]In 2017, just before Christmas, there were 4 killed in 1 week and a fifth hospitalized.

Flip a coin 10,000 times and you'll probably get around 5 k heads, 5 k tails. However, there's also fair chance you'll have a stretch of 5 in a row, heads or tails.

5 in 1 week is coincidence. 5 per week for 5 weeks is a trend.

[QUOTE=JohnJones22;2892849]How many of you guys would be willing to pay top dollar (1-2 K USD) for famous colombian instagram models / influencers (100 k followers +)?[/QUOTE]Why would you want to pay top dollar? Having 10 k or 100 k followers doesn't mean anything. You're not paying to look at her Instagram and guaranteed she's not throwing up pictures of you fucking her for her followers. Is she likely to be totally in to you? Will she get real freaky and beg you for more? Probably not. It's probably going to be a bunch of rules, and a boring fuck.

However, it is Medellin and you can easily find models who have worked internationally, willing to rock your world for a lot less than $1 k USD. Why be willing to pay 5-10 x what a woman will happily accept?

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2892888]Dude, I was just asking if anyone knew if they were on the market. These aren't random chicas that you find on the street. It's worth asking regardless of the incoming.[/QUOTE]Even if someone knows if they are on the market, it doesn't mean they are on the market for you. With 100 k followers, they're getting hundreds of offers every week, some are crazy offers. How are you going to stand out? Are you willing to drop a few thousand USD, in advance, just to get a dinner date with no guarantees?

If she is on the market, you're getting effectively the same thing as everyone else. She's still just a hooker fucking anyone who has the money. You're just paying a lot more for it.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2892946]At this point, the Admin should lock this thread and Cartagena until all the kidnapping, murders, and drugging stop.

Also, it would be helpful to mention other South American destinations to go instead that are much safer.

On a side note, when I visit Medelin later this year, how many girls will a budget of 5000 USD get me? Trying to know how much to budget per day, and if its possible to find at least one GFE complete run way model for a day compared to the regulars youd find on the street. The kind of girl you'd see in the Hollywood movies like Sofa Vergara or who thinks they're worth 1000+ USD if they tour the states.[/QUOTE]Kidnapping, drugging and murder were going on long before this board ever existed. Locking the thread won't stop anything, it will just limit the information available. Other destinations are mentioned, on the appropriate boards. If you want to find out about Brazil, Ecuador, Chile, Peru or anywhere else, go to that board. It makes no sense to have a Medellin thread which only talks about Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires.

On your side note, your budget will get you 1 girl, or 200. Are you setting aside $5 k just for girls, or does that include airfare, lodging, ground transportation, meals, etc? How long are you staying? What area of Medellin are you staying in? Where are you planning to find the girls? These are the things you need to figure out first.

In Colombia, just walking down the street or through the mall, you'll find many equal or superior to Sofia Vergara.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2892980]My two cents on it is this city was always violent, however as economic times get harder in the world, more desperate people flock to Colombia leaving Venezuela it is putting pressure on people. Also the concentration of wealth in these areas has caused more criminals to come to the area. Also couples with more access to internet and information this place as had a bigger target on on the back for sex tourism. Also the growth of location based dating apps has just added to this oppritunity for people to put themselves in positions.

Use caution, its not safe, don't give papaya, have good security measures, avoid groups of girls you don't know. Use your gut. Try and build good networks here with people so you know who you can trust a little bit more.[/QUOTE]The USA Government has issued travel advisories to reconsider travel to Colombia if anyone didn't know.

Sex addict mongers would rather read about possible exaggerated reports of perfect encounters.

They forget about the possibility of leaving Colombia in a box.

It will never happen to me, swivel my head, carry a fake wallet, bullet proof vest, read 10 pages of ISG, etc.

Death has been known to reduce the competitive odds LOL!

A woman's body was found stuffed in a suitcase in the Boston neighborhood last week. It's not an unusual event. The local press barely covered it as part of a trend of "femicides. " I wonder how many of you are even aware it happened. This sort of thing and bodies washing up on the shores of the Medellin River on a regular basis is far more frequent than the foreigner deaths. It's not likely to pop up on your radar unless you are here every day. Foreign crime victims are covered very differently than the Colombian victims. It's not unlike the way aviation accidents are covered compared to automotive accidents. Car accident deaths don't tend to make the news unless there is an extraordinary angle. This is because they happen many times per day and aviation accidents happen very rarely by comparison. I haven't learned this much about the members of this website group since the pandemic. I did not appreciate how heavily influenced some guys on here are by second hand reports from the gringo media. I was naive to misunderstand this.

[QUOTE=FlawlessZeal;2892725]What does a 70-year-old woman dying from a bad batch of ayahuasca have to do with anything? If you're actually trying to spread awareness, don't be the boy who cried wolf.[/QUOTE]

These are facts.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2893082]Kidnapping, drugging and murder were going on long before this board ever existed. Locking the thread won't stop anything, it will just limit the information available. Other destinations are mentioned, on the appropriate boards. If you want to find out about Brazil, Ecuador, Chile, Peru or anywhere else, go to that board. It makes no sense to have a Medellin thread which only talks about Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires.

On your side note, your budget will get you 1 girl, or 200. Are you setting aside $5 k just for girls, or does that include airfare, lodging, ground transportation, meals, etc? How long are you staying? What area of Medellin are you staying in? Where are you planning to find the girls? These are the things you need to figure out first.

In Colombia, just walking down the street or through the mall, you'll find many equal or superior to Sofia Vergara.[/QUOTE]

The administrator doesn't have to lock the thread. You can achieve the same result by not reading it. I'm confused by this recent obsession with crime reports on the part of people who spend maybe 20 days in a year here if they ever come here at all. The last couple of months I've been contacted by people I haven't spoken with in years asking if I'm OK. It feels disproportinate to me.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2892946]At this point, the Admin should lock this thread and Cartagena until all the kidnapping, murders, and drugging stop.

Also, it would be helpful to mention other South American destinations to go instead that are much safer.

On a side note, when I visit Medelin later this year, how many girls will a budget of 5000 USD get me? Trying to know how much to budget per day, and if its possible to find at least one GFE complete run way model for a day compared to the regulars youd find on the street. The kind of girl you'd see in the Hollywood movies like Sofa Vergara or who thinks they're worth 1000+ USD if they tour the states.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bill;2893084]The USA Government has issued travel advisories to reconsider travel to Colombia if anyone didn't know.

Sex addict mongers would rather read about possible exaggerated reports of perfect encounters.

They forget about the possibility of leaving Colombia in a box.

It will never happen to me, swivel my head, carry a fake wallet, bullet proof vest, read 10 pages of ISG, etc.

Death has been known to reduce the competitive odds LOL![/QUOTE]As far as I'm concerned, this is good news because it reduces demand for chicas, and therefore average prices go down. I've seen these advisories about other places, such as Mindanao, Philippines, and have ignored them without any problems. The trick is to use common sense. Every city around the world has its risk factors. So please, stay away. That leaves better selection for the rest of us.

RG.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2893045]Of course they are not random in that sense. But there are thousands, probably hundreds of thousands, of chicas on Instagram in Colombia. So chances of anyone knowing anything are very low as Instagram does not make it easy for one to check out anything about the person you may hook up with. But best of luck. The problem with Instagram is related to that very thing. It has become a prime way for those that want to rob / drug people they hook up with. So take care.[/QUOTE]Apology. Perhaps my age or something, but I should have said Tinder not Instagram when I said it was the prime hook up site used by those who might want to do you harm A number of the well publicized cases involved Tinder hook ups.

"Like a moth to a flame. This time a guy from the Netherlands checked in to his hotel and never checked out. Brought 2 chicks to the room at midnight and they left at 5 am. The cleaning lady found him dead. So for those that keep thinking I am safe if there is security or cameras, once again that has proven to be wrong.

[URL]https://www.minuto30.com/extranjero-fue-encontrado-sin-vida-en-un-hotel-de-medellin/1576601/?no_cache=1707527227&fbclid=IwAR0wsJbBDsRVR3TSCW3nBOsLkN3vf22a1pBmznb2dZLAxTRRVlgF8ccJaow_aem_ASabB2bS2dEgWT8WZpXxoEMu4ZLKj6biUWQhzsFAeHj5M7eFhabW7Y6nlRyQFG8KjQ4[/URL]".

As does Forrest Gumps favorite quote "Stoopid is as Stoopid does".

Or one of my favorites, "you can't fix STOOPID".

If guys with dangerous 3rd world mongering experience want to visit MDE that's one thing.

But telling new mongers "youll probably be ok" is evil and very bad karma!!

Guys with little to no dangerous 3rd world mongering experience should not be visiting MDE, at least not at this time.

And I don't consider crossing the border and going to HK in Tijuana good enuff.

You want to monger maybe goto SEA or Europe.

Learn this hobby a bit before jumping straight into the equivalent of a 3rd world maximum security prison for convicted killers!!

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2893139]Apology. Perhaps my age or something, but I should have said Tinder not Instagram when I said it was the prime hook up site used by those who might want to do you harm A number of the well publicized cases involved Tinder hook ups.[/QUOTE]I have been using Badoo. Is that the same?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2893082]Kidnapping, drugging and murder were going on long before this board ever existed. Locking the thread won't stop anything, it will just limit the information available. Other destinations are mentioned, on the appropriate boards. If you want to find out about Brazil, Ecuador, Chile, Peru or anywhere else, go to that board. It makes no sense to have a Medellin thread which only talks about Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires.

On your side note, your budget will get you 1 girl, or 200. Are you setting aside $5 k just for girls, or does that include airfare, lodging, ground transportation, meals, etc? How long are you staying? What area of Medellin are you staying in? Where are you planning to find the girls? These are the things you need to figure out first.

In Colombia, just walking down the street or through the mall, you'll find many equal or superior to Sofia Vergara.[/QUOTE]Taking into account for the recent death threats posted here, I want to stay in the safest area possible with security that will also allow girls, hopefully with no upcharge for each one. Assuming I should focus on hotels. Any recommendations and best months to visit?

Trip would be 2 weeks total, and that budget includes all expenses of trip, room, women. Should I assume that I could approach any of the girls I see on the street or a club and talk to them (likely with app) to proposition a date?

I made a Facebook using a fake name and 2 of my real pics. Slightly blurred unless I should not do that. Tried adding random girls in Medellin, no adds yet. Is there a group or way to get female friends added online before arriving since I have no connection?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2893049]Last I checked you can buy hundreds of thousands of followers for a few hundred bucks. Then there are the filters where women can make themselves look less fat, taller ETC, and I read somewhere an astonishing percentage of women on Instagram do just that.

Offering big money to a Colombian woman sight unseen is a big mistake. You will be conned.[/QUOTE]This is Essentials of Mongering. Don't make a big money/time commitment to someone you haven't seen in person. Photos can hide an awful lot. And even after you've met them, do a quick test-drive session before committing to spending more time with her.

Congrats to Chiefs for winning the Superbowl! Booked another trip to Medellin lol.

Good game y'all!!

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2893139]Apology. Perhaps my age or something, but I should have said Tinder not Instagram when I said it was the prime hook up site used by those who might want to do you harm A number of the well publicized cases involved Tinder hook ups.[/QUOTE]I think you meant that for me. When I see someone on Tinder with Instagram tags then you know they aren't fake. I am talking to 2 people who are in that category and have already banged one.

On the TLC show Love and Translation I recognize one of the Colombian girls from Tinder.

I am pretty good at sorting out fakes and there are quite a few.

Anyone have any thoughts on my post below? I got buried under all the posts about dangerous conditions (which seems to have taken over this thread).

[QUOTE=Stl24;2892917]I am trying to decide between Europa Suites and an AirBNB I found at Edificio Provenza Life near the Calle 6/ Calle 33 split. As stated before my motivation is not food or drinking or partying or nightlife. My sole focus is the same thing KeviKevi said, it's all about the women. I want to maximize my time and I plan on seeing 3-4 women per day. I'd like the opportunity to bring some back to my place (with the proper safety measures taken of course). The host of the AirBNB said they have 24 hour reception and guests are permitted. Just looking at the pictures I do like the AirBNB as it is more like an apartment and the Europa Suite doesn't seem like it has the same feel. I don't mind using Uber or Taxi but the appeal of being that close to Lleras Park is appealing for finding street girls and walking back. Does taking an uber or taxi vs walking back to Europa after finding a girl impact or limit my options. I'll also take any feedback about Europa or Edificio Provenza Life. As always, thanks in advance![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2893144]"Like a moth to a flame. This time a guy from the Netherlands checked in to his hotel and never checked out. Brought 2 chicks to the room at midnight and they left at 5 am. The cleaning lady found him dead. So for those that keep thinking I am safe if there is security or cameras, once again that has proven to be wrong.

[URL]https://www.minuto30.com/extranjero-fue-encontrado-sin-vida-en-un-hotel-de-medellin/1576601/?no_cache=1707527227&fbclid=IwAR0wsJbBDsRVR3TSCW3nBOsLkN3vf22a1pBmznb2dZLAxTRRVlgF8ccJaow_aem_ASabB2bS2dEgWT8WZpXxoEMu4ZLKj6biUWQhzsFAeHj5M7eFhabW7Y6nlRyQFG8KjQ4[/URL]".

As does Forrest Gumps favorite quote "Stoopid is as Stoopid does".

Or one of my favorites, "you can't fix STOOPID".

If guys with dangerous 3rd world mongering experience want to visit MDE that's one thing.

But telling new mongers "youll probably be ok" is evil and very bad karma!!

Guys with little to no dangerous 3rd world mongering experience should not be visiting MDE, at least not at this time.

And I don't consider crossing the border and going to HK in Tijuana good enuff.

You want to monger maybe goto SEA or Europe.

Learn this hobby a bit before jumping straight into the equivalent of a 3rd world maximum security prison for convicted killers!![/QUOTE]I would say this. If you don't speak Spanish and you have never visited Latin America, you should ease into it by visiting a safer country first such as Costa Rica, Panama or Mexico. It will get you used to hearing Spanish and interacting with Latinas with a lower degree of risk but of course there is always risk in visiting Latin America, more so than Southeast Asia or Europe. Mexico or Costa Rica are great countries to get started and you can start learning a few words of Spanish and dip your toe in countries where Spanish is spoken. That would be my suggestion for newbies to Latin America. Get some experience in Latin America before coming over to Colombia where there is higher level of risks.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2891780]DESERVE might have been a rather strong choice of words but his point isn't far off. It is Darwinian natural selection in our modern world. People who come to Colombia to monger or do drugs without understanding the culture and without bothering to learn the language even to a minimal degree are at risk. Then to compound things, some visitors have to show off their wealth by wearing gold chains or flashy watches and / or expensive clothes and pull out their iphones in public. Then they invite a girl to their apartment that has no check-in safeguards and then want to drink with their girl guests. Is it any wonder that they get drugged and robbed and some die or get killed.

This is natural selection at work in the modern world.[/QUOTE]Yes "deserve" is the wrong word, period, even if referencing evolutionary theory. Newbies, or any other traveler who failed to access or apply common guidelines didn't deserve to die.

One can still get picked off in a street robbery or kidnapping while not flashing wealth, or set up by taxistas. Or just be in the wrong place at the wrong time in a dangerous poorly policed city like Medellin, having a meal in an open air restaurant, or taking a ride as armed men on motos are splitting lanes. A nervous shooter could squeeze the trigger even when cooperating. Or one could be grabbed by surprise, instinctively pull back and be taken as resisting. Foreigners are presumed rich, and if you can't pull off the local look you're still a target.

There's of course some good risk reductions for Medellin, and plenty of good YouTubers on that task. But Medellin is hot at the moment and not a good spot for partiers that want to entertain girls.

Costa Rica is a good spot, with three hotels set up as meeting places for girls and clients. Druggings are virtually non-existent. Constantly looking over your shoulder isn't necessary. Spanish is unnecessary as the young in the larger cities are taught English in school. There's of course the Google Translate backup. The spots are in close proximity, and there's the advantage of enjoying girls of multiple nationalities. Don't walk at night as street robberies happen once in a while, but they tend to be of the strong arm variety, a few men without weapons.

P.S. When we talk about gold chains in the context of Colombia we know we are primarily talking about some of our black fellow travelers. The expensive items need to stay home, but Black Americans do something extremely well. They often move in groups. Bravo guys. Many also look like NFL players. That also helps.

[QUOTE=IntBond0;2892857]This is how you get set up and murdered in a foreign country.

[URL]https://worldstar.com/videos/wshhNSzoTeB9dsW4QWHp/passport-bro-going-out-sad-colombian-woman-fights-and-humiliates-bro-for-not-paying-after-they-ran-a-train-on-her[/URL][/QUOTE]This is why a lot of folks say Cartagena is ruined now, kinda like Sosua went down hill. If you stay out of Laureles and El Poblado, you can avoid much of the USA riffraff in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2893193]...
I made a Facebook using a fake name and 2 of my real pics. Slightly blurred unless I should not do that. Tried adding random girls in Medellin, no adds yet. Is there a group or way to get female friends added online before arriving since I have no connection?[/QUOTE]Look up my past posts in recent weeks and you should find a few posts.

[QUOTE=Stl24;2893222]Anyone have any thoughts on my post below? I got buried under all the posts about dangerous conditions (which seems to have taken over this thread).[/QUOTE]I stayed at provenza life on my last trip. There was no AC in my unit and the showers didn't drain properly. Other than that it was realitively for most girls to find. No problems bringing in guest. I will say this, one girl did not have a cedula and they still let her come up to my room. She was definitely above 18 but still kinda sketchy. It's pretty expensive too, compared to the other Airbnbs.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2893220]I think you meant that for me. When I see someone on Tinder with Instagram tags then you know they aren't fake. I am talking to 2 people who are in that category and have already banged one.

On the TLC show Love and Translation I recognize one of the Colombian girls from Tinder.

I am pretty good at sorting out fakes and there are quite a few.[/QUOTE]I guess sorting out fake accounts would be a good start to finding a safer "date" but I'm not sure how someone having an Instagram or a Facebook account guarantees anything. Lots of fake accounts on there too. But especially with Facebook if the account has absolutely no detail about friends, family, and no history then that is also a good sign that it is a false account of some kind. I have lots of FB friends on my FB travel account but there is a history with most of them, and even though I have never met many of them there is a time history, as well as their postings of stuff, as well as sometimes friends in common. Although even then it is possible that the person may not be trustworthy.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2893128]The administrator doesn't have to lock the thread. You can achieve the same result by not reading it. I'm confused by this recent obsession with crime reports on the part of people who spend maybe 20 days in a year here if they ever come here at all. The last couple of months I've been contacted by people I haven't spoken with in years asking if I'm OK. It feels disproportinate to me.[/QUOTE]As usual, the reality is in the middle of the two sides. Which is why we should always stick to facts.

Fact: Traveling to Medellin is not implicitly safe. Traveling to ANY city as a tourist involves some risk, particularly if you don't speak the language or understand customs and socio-climate.

Fact: As a monger in Medellin, you ARE a target. While we can't accurately quantify it, your profile is a target. Being Asian, Black, Dutch, American doesn't matter so much, as we've learned. If you are out hunting, you are a potential target.

Fact: You can mitigate risks. Literally hundreds of pages on ISG on what to do and more importantly, what NOT to do. If you don't abide by all of this good advice, you increase the target on your back.

Fact: Just because it didn't happen to any given monger does not mean it won't happen to you. Along the same lines, any monger declaring Medellin is safe is lying.

Fact: The numbers are EXTREMELY favorable to you. Even in these reports that are being posted, we don't know where these mongers picked these girls up. So using these few reports as the basis for unfettered fear is stupid. Or dishonest. But anyone who's traveled internationally into MDE can tell you that there are dozens of mongers entering Medellin every hour. So when we have five reports, we SHOULD share them. And we should glean every piece of info out of them. But.

Fact: Ask yourself why these doomsday mongers who have sworn off Medellin and have no on the ground intel get so excited to scare others. They may have very valid points, but just realize that they have an agenda.

When you guys are making trips to the casas like New Life, Energy and Loutron during the daytime and to clubs like La Isla and Fase Dos at night, what transportation do you normally use -- taxi, Uber or public transit?

[QUOTE=Stl24;2893222]Anyone have any thoughts on my post below? I got buried under all the posts about dangerous conditions (which seems to have taken over this thread).[/QUOTE]I have stayed at Europa twice, both times in the 2 floor 10 bedroom Penthouse. I would highly recommend it, but also its the only place I have ever stayed at.

Armed security and concierge downstairs. Security checks all girls ID. Few were not let in due to not having a ID but would rather be safe than sorry.

Lleras Park is a 2-3 min walk, small liquor store outside as well.

Depending on the room you book some have a jacuzzi inside.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2893408]When you guys are making trips to the casas like New Life, Energy and Loutron during the daytime and to clubs like La Isla and Fase Dos at night, what transportation do you normally use -- taxi, Uber or public transit?[/QUOTE]Taxis and apps like Uber.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2893385]I guess sorting out fake accounts would be a good start to finding a safer "date" but I'm not sure how someone having an Instagram or a Facebook account guarantees anything. Lots of fake accounts on there too. But especially with Facebook if the account has absolutely no detail about friends, family, and no history then that is also a good sign that it is a false account of some kind. I have lots of FB friends on my FB travel account but there is a history with most of them, and even though I have never met many of them there is a time history, as well as their postings of stuff, as well as sometimes friends in common. Although even then it is possible that the person may not be trustworthy.[/QUOTE]It is a bit ironic to set up a fake Facebook account with a fake name and then complain about fake Facebook accounts.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2893385]I guess sorting out fake accounts would be a good start to finding a safer "date" but I'm not sure how someone having an Instagram or a Facebook account guarantees anything. Lots of fake accounts on there too. But especially with Facebook if the account has absolutely no detail about friends, family, and no history then that is also a good sign that it is a false account of some kind. I have lots of FB friends on my FB travel account but there is a history with most of them, and even though I have never met many of them there is a time history, as well as their postings of stuff, as well as sometimes friends in common. Although even then it is possible that the person may not be trustworthy.[/QUOTE]I don't use Facebook at all. When you look at a Tinder profile and a Instagram is also available you can see the girl doing various activities in different places. People who want to scam you aren't going to show themselves out and about. That takes too much time and it creates a trail.

You don't have to do all of that find a sucker. To each his own. I have plenty of contacts with a few openings for people I may come across while at either Botero or Lleras.

I like to plan meets in advance so I get as much action as I can without having to be out on the street. I don't have problems with flaking or missed appointments. The only problems I encounter are my visits run longer than I need. I guess that's a good problem.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2893408]When you guys are making trips to the casas like New Life, Energy and Loutron during the daytime and to clubs like La Isla and Fase Dos at night, what transportation do you normally use -- taxi, Uber or public transit?[/QUOTE]Public transit and Uber, sometimes taxi.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2893300]I would say this. If you don't speak Spanish and you have never visited Latin America, you should ease into it by visiting a safer country first such as Costa Rica, Panama or Mexico. It will get you used to hearing Spanish and interacting with Latinas with a lower degree of risk but of course there is always risk in visiting Latin America, more so than Southeast Asia or Europe. Mexico or Costa Rica are great countries to get started and you can start learning a few words of Spanish and dip your toe in countries where Spanish is spoken. That would be my suggestion for newbies to Latin America. Get some experience in Latin America before coming over to Colombia where there is higher level of risks.[/QUOTE]Learning Spanish is so important. The speed, slang varies from countries / cities but at least you can read a menu, direction and communicate your needs.

If you're short on time, limited budget if you're in a large metro area go to Spanish neighborhoods / restaurants / bars where Latam citizens go. Advantage of your home turf & "safety" of US jurisdiction. To prepare for working girls go to a strip club. Most are ripoffs for special action, but some gems of Latinas can be fun tutors, sometimes for the price of those online conversational tutors. You learn the slang & the pro side of negotiations. The good ones will appreciate a regular customer especially if you're giving her a paid breather from dancing 8 hrs straight. Thru the rapport I've gotten club discounts for action, OTC, and referrals to her home country.

Still fluent Spanish won't matter you can't negotiate if 2 dudes decide to make you their target. Spanish or not, that won't protect you from being jumped just like how we should avoid rough neighborhoods in US if you're an outsider. I'd be willing to trade a portion of Spanish fluency for every trustworthy street smart bro you can have.

[QUOTE=LvZooMan211;2889077]Hotel M 
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Carrera 43 # 2 sur - 50, Medellin. Colombia
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Phone: +1 312 546 4301.

Email: [EMAIL]info@hotelmedellinm.com[/EMAIL].

Website: [URL]http://hotelmedellinm.com/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2893450]Public transit and Uber, sometimes taxi.[/QUOTE]I'm assuming that public transit would be a no no at night time opting for safety of Uber and taxi. But for public transit during the daytime hours, is it convenient to Loutron, New Life and Energy?

I am a veteran of numerous trips to the Philippines and Kenya, and have decided to go to Medellin next month, which will be my first trip there. I don't speak Spanish at all, but have made several contacts there using Badoo and communicating via the Google Translator app. It's a bit cumbersome, but seems manageable. I have RTFF, but wondering if any of you folks going to Medellin have done so successfully without learning any Spanish. The Google Translator app has a voice translation function that will only work in person. I've never tried this in practice, but that seems to be the plan. Any pointers?

RG.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2893408]When you guys are making trips to the casas like New Life, Energy and Loutron during the daytime and to clubs like La Isla and Fase Dos at night, what transportation do you normally use -- taxi, Uber or public transit?[/QUOTE]I dint visit those establishments but my preferred mode of transportation is the metro meteocsble and bus system.

I almost exclusively use Uber for convenience, since it tells me how much. Sometimes I pay for a higher tier to get a car faster or insure I get one with AC (if a hot day).

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2893408]When you guys are making trips to the casas like New Life, Energy and Loutron during the daytime and to clubs like La Isla and Fase Dos at night, what transportation do you normally use -- taxi, Uber or public transit?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2893528]I'm assuming that public transit would be a no no at night time opting for safety of Uber and taxi. But for public transit during the daytime hours, is it convenient to Loutron, New Life and Energy?[/QUOTE]Public transit is safe even at night time. I've never had a problem with a bus driver or a metro station clerk ripping me off whether at 5 am 3 pm or 10 pm. I can't say the same about taxis. I fact taci is probably the most dangerous option of all.

Do you have to know if they single bedrooms for rent?

[QUOTE=DaddyLou37;2893412]I have stayed at Europa twice, both times in the 2 floor 10 bedroom Penthouse. I would highly recommend it, but also its the only place I have ever stayed at.

Armed security and concierge downstairs. Security checks all girls ID. Few were not let in due to not having a ID but would rather be safe than sorry.

Lleras Park is a 2-3 min walk, small liquor store outside as well.

Depending on the room you book some have a jacuzzi inside.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2893408]When you guys are making trips to the casas like New Life, Energy and Loutron during the daytime and to clubs like La Isla and Fase Dos at night, what transportation do you normally use -- taxi, Uber or public transit?[/QUOTE]In the day time I walk. At night I take a taxi.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2893531]I am a veteran of numerous trips to the Philippines and Kenya, and have decided to go to Medellin next month, which will be my first trip there. I don't speak Spanish at all, but have made several contacts there using Badoo and communicating via the Google Translator app. It's a bit cumbersome, but seems manageable. I have RTFF, but wondering if any of you folks going to Medellin have done so successfully without learning any Spanish. The Google Translator app has a voice translation function that will only work in person. I've never tried this in practice, but that seems to be the plan. Any pointers?.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing you'll get a variety of different opinions here. I feel like it all depends on what you are looking for. Sex is sex, right. So Google Translate will get you laid. You might pay a slightly higher premium because negotiations aren't as smooth. But minor issue. And google translate will allow you to get through basic travel issues. For me, language is important. I have a goal to get laid but for me, a lot of the fun is flirting and hanging out, partying a little with the girls. Translator would not work well. Granted, I'm not fluent in Spanish but I can carry on a conversation. (I'm sure my grammar is horrible. LOL But I do think the girls appreciate that more than the back and forth on the phone.) Language is probably the reason I didn't enjoy Rio as much as Medellin.

Basically, you'll get by and you can get laid with zero Spanish. I think the only thing you'd completely miss out on with zero Spanish would be bars.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2893408]When you guys are making trips to the casas like New Life, Energy and Loutron during the daytime and to clubs like La Isla and Fase Dos at night, what transportation do you normally use -- taxi, Uber or public transit?[/QUOTE]I use DiDi and have never had a bad experience. I also have no qualms about grabbing a taxi if it is more convenient.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2893584]I'm guessing you'll get a variety of different opinions here. I feel like it all depends on what you are looking for. Sex is sex, right. So Google Translate will get you laid. You might pay a slightly higher premium because negotiations aren't as smooth. But minor issue. And google translate will allow you to get through basic travel issues. For me, language is important. I have a goal to get laid but for me, a lot of the fun is flirting and hanging out, partying a little with the girls. Translator would not work well. Granted, I'm not fluent in Spanish but I can carry on a conversation. (I'm sure my grammar is horrible. LOL But I do think the girls appreciate that more than the back and forth on the phone.) Language is probably the reason I didn't enjoy Rio as much as Medellin.

Basically, you'll get by and you can get laid with zero Spanish. I think the only thing you'd completely miss out on with zero Spanish would be bars.[/QUOTE]Well, for me, I have already found a few prospects on Badoo, so I won't be meeting any girls cold. I'the love to learn Spanish, but that takes time. It's hard until one can be immersed in the culture.

RG.

It is good to see common sense returning to this web page. We were on a winding path toward crazytown.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2893584]I'm guessing you'll get a variety of different opinions here. I feel like it all depends on what you are looking for. Sex is sex, right. So Google Translate will get you laid. You might pay a slightly higher premium because negotiations aren't as smooth. But minor issue. And google translate will allow you to get through basic travel issues. For me, language is important. I have a goal to get laid but for me, a lot of the fun is flirting and hanging out, partying a little with the girls. Translator would not work well. Granted, I'm not fluent in Spanish but I can carry on a conversation. (I'm sure my grammar is horrible. LOL But I do think the girls appreciate that more than the back and forth on the phone.) Language is probably the reason I didn't enjoy Rio as much as Medellin.

Basically, you'll get by and you can get laid with zero Spanish. I think the only thing you'd completely miss out on with zero Spanish would be bars.[/QUOTE]

Spanish helps, mostly as a convenience. It's not going to make or break anybody's two weeks of fun in Medellin.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2893467]Learning Spanish is so important. The speed, slang varies from countries / cities but at least you can read a menu, direction and communicate your needs.

If you're short on time, limited budget if you're in a large metro area go to Spanish neighborhoods / restaurants / bars where Latam citizens go. Advantage of your home turf & "safety" of US jurisdiction. To prepare for working girls go to a strip club. Most are ripoffs for special action, but some gems of Latinas can be fun tutors, sometimes for the price of those online conversational tutors. You learn the slang & the pro side of negotiations. The good ones will appreciate a regular customer especially if you're giving her a paid breather from dancing 8 hrs straight. Thru the rapport I've gotten club discounts for action, OTC, and referrals to her home country.

Still fluent Spanish won't matter you can't negotiate if 2 dudes decide to make you their target. Spanish or not, that won't protect you from being jumped just like how we should avoid rough neighborhoods in US if you're an outsider. I'd be willing to trade a portion of Spanish fluency for every trustworthy street smart bro you can have.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2893391]As usual, the reality is in the middle of the two sides. Which is why we should always stick to facts.

Fact: Traveling to Medellin is not implicitly safe. Traveling to ANY city as a tourist involves some risk, particularly if you don't speak the language or understand customs and socio-climate.

Fact: As a monger in Medellin, you ARE a target. While we can't accurately quantify it, your profile is a target. Being Asian, Black, Dutch, American doesn't matter so much, as we've learned. If you are out hunting, you are a potential target.

Fact: You can mitigate risks. Literally hundreds of pages on ISG on what to do and more importantly, what NOT to do. If you don't abide by all of this good advice, you increase the target on your back.

Fact: Just because it didn't happen to any given monger does not mean it won't happen to you. Along the same lines, any monger declaring Medellin is safe is lying.[/QUOTE]Inflation worldwide has really made mongering more dangerous than 5 to 20 years ago. If people that didn't have much to begin had it hard before Covid, what do you think is happening to them now. I think people in Colombia Brazil Mexico are becoming more desperate. Think of how many more homeless we have compared to just 5 years ago. It's a different world now, so be safe. I would take Uber everywhere, no taxis or buses. If you take a bus you are advertising yourself to a lot of people that could take a liking to you and call a kidnapping friend. Quit trying to save a few bucks and take Uber always.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2893538]I almost exclusively use Uber for convenience, since it tells me how much. Sometimes I pay for a higher tier to get a car faster or insure I get one with AC (if a hot day).[/QUOTE]Do you find Uber quite accessible down there over the night time hours? In general, is it hard to book Ubers compared to large urban cities in North America of they are frequent enough in Medellin?

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2893628]Do you find Uber quite accessible down there over the night time hours? In general, is it hard to book Ubers compared to large urban cities in North America of they are frequent enough in Medellin?[/QUOTE]If you're using Uber, you have to set aside some time for Uber to find a driver and for the driver to get there. Sometimes it would take more than 10 or 15 minutes before I got picked up. Sometimes a driver would cancel and then you would have to start over. I had a doctor's appointment and I was late due to Uber. Uber is reliable but you just need to give yourself additional time if you need to get somewhere by a certain time.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2893531]I am a veteran of numerous trips to the Philippines and Kenya, and have decided to go to Medellin next month, which will be my first trip there. I don't speak Spanish at all, but have made several contacts there using Badoo and communicating via the Google Translator app. It's a bit cumbersome, but seems manageable. I have RTFF, but wondering if any of you folks going to Medellin have done so successfully without learning any Spanish. The Google Translator app has a voice translation function that will only work in person. I've never tried this in practice, but that seems to be the plan. Any pointers?

RG.[/QUOTE]Your best course is to speak Spanish at least at a conversational level. But, that isn't going to be possible for you this trip. Just remember something about Google Translate. Don't try to be clever or witty. Many English sayings just won't translate beyond a literal level and that will spark real confusion. Keep your sentences short and to the point. If you do that you should be fine.

Let me give you an example. A friend of mine was communicating with his date. His comment at the end of the communication was "I can't wait to see you". Well, he should have said "I am excited to meet you. ".

Google translated it into Spanish "No puedo esperar para conocerte. " Which implies that I can't wait for you if you aren't on time. The date was pissed. Being on-time isn't so much a requirement here. They managed to untangle things.

But just keep your conversation very direct with short sentences.

The Interplaza Mall not to far from the Blux Apartments, does it have a liquor store there or someplace to by liquor and beers?

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2893597]I'the love to learn Spanish, but that takes time. It's hard until one can be immersed in the culture.[/QUOTE]Nah. That is just an excuse. If one was already immersed in the culture, they would be saying I should have learned this before I was immersed in the culture. However it comes, you are going to learn it the same way you learned English: one word at a time.

[QUOTE=Traveler3345;2893654]The Interplaza Mall not to far from the Blux Apartments, does it have a liquor store there or someplace to by liquor and beers?[/QUOTE]Just let the chicks bring it. They are going to have to spike it anyway.

Following on from recent chat regarding a potential change to management at Hotel M, and a potential restriction of ladies' access during the daytime, has anyone been able to get any further info as to whether this is happening or not?

I was planning to visit Medellin for the first time in May, and recent events I was going to stay at Hotel M for the duration of my trip, at least for my first trip. I'm an obvious gringo and I'm learning Spanish but still far from conversational. If the rumoured changes are actually true, I think that would be my cue to find another destination, at least this time until things hopefully die down (no pun intended).

Thanks.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2893673]Following on from recent chat regarding a potential change to management at Hotel M, and a potential restriction of ladies' access during the daytime, has anyone been able to get any further info as to whether this is happening or not?

I was planning to visit Medellin for the first time in May, and recent events I was going to stay at Hotel M for the duration of my trip, at least for my first trip. I'm an obvious gringo and I'm learning Spanish but still far from conversational. If the rumoured changes are actually true, I think that would be my cue to find another destination, at least this time until things hopefully die down (no pun intended).

Thanks.[/QUOTE]The staff on email still claims that changes in ownership are still just rumours. However I'm thinking for my trip, if the only change is no girls there during the daytime, I might still be okay as I was planning to visit casas during the daytime and pull girls from the M pool at night. As long as there are girls there for the evening hours, those of us who plan to be out during the daytime might be okay even with this change.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2892259]For what it's worth: the employees are not aware if it is being sold. They are telling me that they know something is going on. But, they also say there is always something rumored to be happening. It's fair to say they are worried but also not convinced it will be sold. I've talked to a few of the chicas and they are hearing a lot of rumors but nothing concrete.

For those planning a trip yet haven't made reservations, if it was me I would wait it out. Unless their policies have changed, you have to pay one night to hold the reservation. I wouldn't sink the $100, but that's just my opinion.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Do you have any further intel on this.

You do have to pay a night up front but you can get that refunded if you cancel (and I have done that successfully in the past. Although it takes a bit of effort). The bigger issue right now is that, as my first time to Medellin, I don't really want to stay in a condo / hotel right now, given what is going on. I'm probably too risk averse in that regard, but my gut is telling me Hotel M or another country right now, and I'm inclined to listen.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2893680]The staff on email still claims that changes in ownership are still just rumours. However I'm thinking for my trip, if the only change is no girls there during the daytime, I might still be okay as I was planning to visit casas during the daytime and pull girls from the M pool at night. As long as there are girls there for the evening hours, those of us who plan to be out during the daytime might be okay even with this change.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I guess it wouldn't be so bad if just a daytime restriction (I had non-mongering daytime plans in mind anyways). The risk is some major overhaul, which is unlikely, but I don't want to commit to a full trip on the basis that it 'probably' won't change dramatically.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2893682]Thanks. Do you have any further intel on this.

You do have to pay a night up front but you can get that refunded if you cancel (and I have done that successfully in the past. Although it takes a bit of effort). The bigger issue right now is that, as my first time to Medellin, I don't really want to stay in a condo / hotel right now, given what is going on. I'm probably too risk averse in that regard, but my gut is telling me Hotel M or another country right now, and I'm inclined to listen.[/QUOTE]I have no further info at this time though I will be in MDE in a few days. I'm not staying at Hotel M. But I promise you I'll close that bar down at least twice in the coming week. LOL. So I might have more information soon, though I suspect those that actually know have alot of reason to stay quiet.

In any event, I think as you and others have said, there is still some value with the nighttime selection. However, if the hotel is sold, I imagine the bar goes with it. It's the same building though, "technically" they operate separately. IF (big if) the bar remains as is, and the hotel remains very girl friendly, I'd say go for it. Especially if you are engaging in casas daytime.

One other concern I would have if it was sold: the people that work there have always been fantastic. They've lost a few critical pieces but they are very gringo friendly and willing to help with anything. It'd be curious to see if that's the same approach with new owners.

PM me, if you want, with the timing and duration of your trip. I can think of 2 other places that might be of interest. Nothing like the mansion but might fit your needs.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2893673]Following on from recent chat regarding a potential change to management at Hotel M, and a potential restriction of ladies' access during the daytime, has anyone been able to get any further info as to whether this is happening or not?

I was planning to visit Medellin for the first time in May, and recent events I was going to stay at Hotel M for the duration of my trip, at least for my first trip. I'm an obvious gringo and I'm learning Spanish but still far from conversational. If the rumoured changes are actually true, I think that would be my cue to find another destination, at least this time until things hopefully die down (no pun intended).

Thanks.[/QUOTE]No girls are hanging out by the pool. A girl you're bringing yourself can still visit you. I have very limited Spanish myself and, I got by pretty well with google translate.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2893649]Your best course is to speak Spanish at least at a conversational level. But, that isn't going to be possible for you this trip. Just remember something about Google Translate. Don't try to be clever or witty. Many English sayings just won't translate beyond a literal level and that will spark real confusion. Keep your sentences short and to the point. If you do that you should be fine.

Let me give you an example. A friend of mine was communicating with his date. His comment at the end of the communication was "I can't wait to see you". Well, he should have said "I am excited to meet you. ".

Google translated it into Spanish "No puedo esperar para conocerte. " Which implies that I can't wait for you if you aren't on time. The date was pissed. Being on-time isn't so much a requirement here. They managed to untangle things.

But just keep your conversation very direct with short sentences.[/QUOTE]It was translated correctly. Don't know how it could have said anything close to being on time. Something else was going on with that conversation. Perhaps what she saw was "No puedo esperar para encontrarte." That would mean what she thought she read or heard.

But does translation sometimes get it wrong. Yes. And mainly when the same word has 2 completely different meanings and the translate app picks the wrong one. One trick you can use is to reverse translate and then reverse again. If all of the results stay the same chances are it is accurate.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2893604]Inflation worldwide has really made mongering more dangerous than 5 to 20 years ago. If you take a bus you are advertising yourself to a lot of people that could take a liking to you and call a kidnapping friend. Quit trying to save a few bucks and take Uber always.[/QUOTE]Inflation is making things more dangerous but another large problem is all the idiots now travelling that do no research and assume the country being visited is the same as their own. So the idiots are becoming a target. Overpaying tells the locals you have money and have no idea what the local situation is.

If you take a bus it kinda gives the impression that you have little money and that you are not really a first timer tourist.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2893680]The staff on email still claims that changes in ownership are still just rumours. However I'm thinking for my trip, if the only change is no girls there during the daytime, I might still be okay as I was planning to visit casas during the daytime and pull girls from the M pool at night. As long as there are girls there for the evening hours, those of us who plan to be out during the daytime might be okay even with this change.[/QUOTE]At night the chicas are not at the pool, they are hanging in a bar next door. At no time of the day are available chicas at the pool.

[QUOTE=TraveLight;2893694]No girls are hanging out by the pool. A girl you're bringing yourself can still visit you. I have very limited Spanish myself and, I got by pretty well with google translate.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Have you experienced this recently? So there is already a restriction with girls hanging out by the pool?

Perhaps someone can create a new thread that solely discusses Safety Practices and Advice for Medellin and Colombia and you all experienced can post your tips in on place? Scrolling through the 100's of pages here can take forever if you don't know where to go.

I'm reading that you should take Uber everywhere (How does that work if it's "illegal."

Regarding high end Hotels such as Hilton, any huge safety difference between staying there (which is around 120 per night), compared to cheaper ones around 50 per night, and any issues bringing girls over?

As for girls in public, as a non-Spanish speaker who will rely on Translate, is the goal to notice a girl you like, chat her up and take her back to your room ASAP? So spend maybe 5 to 10 minutes introducing and discussing personal interests, then mention "Sexo?" , and head back to your short term hotel or your main Hotel (Which is saved for later if you want to see her again?

Trying to figure out a strategy since you don't want to be seen holding a phone out and bringing attention to yourself.

Lastly, keep walking on the street or being in a public place to a minimal and only Uber exactly to where you need to go? Club, Red Light Districts, Etc?

Maybe some girls on properly vetted Tinder would Uber directly to your hotel to minimize scams.

By answering these essential questions, you are saving lives. Thank you for your service.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2893705]. One trick you can use is to reverse translate and then reverse again. If all of the results stay the same chances are it is accurate.[/QUOTE]That is a very good tip! Thanks for sharing. I hadn't thought to do that.

[QUOTE=RadicalGuy;2893531]I am a veteran of numerous trips to the Philippines and Kenya, and have decided to go to Medellin next month, which will be my first trip there. I don't speak Spanish at all, but have made several contacts there using Badoo and communicating via the Google Translator app. It's a bit cumbersome, but seems manageable. I have RTFF, but wondering if any of you folks going to Medellin have done so successfully without learning any Spanish. The Google Translator app has a voice translation function that will only work in person. I've never tried this in practice, but that seems to be the plan. Any pointers?.[/QUOTE]I have some Spanish now and get by without the translator app in most instances. Still have a long way to go to be fluent. When I started I was 100% translator app. It works but after 1 or 2 blowups with chickas over translator language issues I started telling them early on that they should remember we have a language barrier and it will be extra work to understand each other. When something subsequently blew up I reminded them of the barrier which always seemed to calm things down.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2893705]It was translated correctly. Don't know how it could have said anything close to being on time. Something else was going on with that conversation. Perhaps what she saw was "No puedo esperar para encontrarte." That would mean what she thought she read or heard.

But does translation sometimes get it wrong. Yes. And mainly when the same word has 2 completely different meanings and the translate app picks the wrong one. One trick you can use is to reverse translate and then reverse again. If all of the results stay the same chances are it is accurate.[/QUOTE]I don't think you understood the point. No puedo esperar means I can't wait.

The app doesn't know that you are using an English idiom. The way to express your excitement is to say "Estoy emocionado conocerte".

The app also interjected para which is wrong. Esperar is the verb "to wait for" The preposition is baked in. Also true for buscar (to search for) so adding para was bad Spanish.

Lastly there are at least three verbs that can be used to say "to meet" conocerse, encontrarse & reuinirse. There are subtle shades but use any of the three and you will be understood.

So in the example I gave, I know for a fact the girl considered his statement to be rude when in fact he meant it to be reassuring. This is the problem using idiomatic phrases with a translator.

Here's some information on Colombian Cedulas (ID Cards) for people who may find this information useful.

[URL]https://youtu.be/3ePPf9EcZew?si=ZF2VkJNCpMabEUkj[/URL]

[QUOTE=TraveLight;2893694]No girls are hanging out by the pool. A girl you're bringing yourself can still visit you. I have very limited Spanish myself and, I got by pretty well with google translate.[/QUOTE]So how is it any different than any other mediocre hotel with a pool?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2893788]I don't think you understood the point. No puedo esperar means I can't wait.

The app doesn't know that you are using an English idiom. The way to express your excitement is to say "Estoy emocionado conocerte".

The app also interjected para which is wrong. Esperar is the verb "to wait for" The preposition is baked in. Also true for buscar (to search for) so adding para was bad Spanish.

Lastly there are at least three verbs that can be used to say "to meet" conocerse, encontrarse & reuinirse. There are subtle shades but use any of the three and you will be understood.

So in the example I gave, I know for a fact the girl considered his statement to be rude when in fact he meant it to be reassuring. This is the problem using idiomatic phrases with a translator.[/QUOTE]I agree. In Spanish if you say I can't wait (no puedo esperar) it actually means like I don't have the time to wait like I cannot wait on you. They will think it means you are in a hurry and do not ha e time to wait. What you mean to say is "estoy emocionado para conocerte" or I am excited to meet you. This conveys the meaning of "I can't wait to meet you" and they will understand it.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2893635]If you're using Uber, you have to set aside some time for Uber to find a driver and for the driver to get there. Sometimes it would take more than 10 or 15 minutes before I got picked up. Sometimes a driver would cancel and then you would have to start over. I had a doctor's appointment and I was late due to Uber. Uber is reliable but you just need to give yourself additional time if you need to get somewhere by a certain time.[/QUOTE]This is most likely because you are using the lowest cost Uber tier, competing against Didi and other services. When its busy, I spend the extra dollar or two to get a Comfort or Green Uber. Then they come right away as they are getting more money. Never have to wait more than 5 minutes, if that. Again, I really like the pre-estimate, live-tracking, and such. So I mostly stick to Uber.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2893742]I'm reading that you should take Uber everywhere (How does that work if it's "illegal."[/QUOTE]Uber is illegal, but just a ticket, so it's everywhere. No uncommon for a driver to ask you to sit in front or have really dark rear windows to not attract enforcement. There's no penalty to the passenger, just the driver gets a ticket.

[QUOTE]As for girls in public, as a non-Spanish speaker who will rely on Translate, is the goal to notice a girl you like, chat her up and take her back to your room ASAP? So spend maybe 5 to 10 minutes introducing and discussing personal interests, then mention "Sexo?" , and head back to your short term hotel or your main Hotel (Which is saved for later if you want to see her again?[/QUOTE]Girls use the word "cita" (appointment) a lot. No need to mention sex, it's implied. You can ask "Cuanto por una cita?" (how much for a date) or offer an amount "te puedo ofrecer 300 mil por una cita?" (can I offer your 300 mil for a date?) If you have preferences you want to discuss in advance, just state them (I want.). If you have no idea if a specific girl is a "prepaga" (pre-paid aka hooker/escort/etc.) then you can ask "sin ofenderte, eres muy linda, tu ofreces citas?" (without offending you, you are very pretty, do you offer dates?) or something to that variety. They love verbal compliments, so throw extra ones at the start and end of every sentence if you can (my dear love, could i interest you in a date? you are so pretty). Whatever comes out of translator will work well.

[QUOTE]Trying to figure out a strategy since you don't want to be seen holding a phone out and bringing attention to yourself.[/QUOTE]Everyone has their phone out in Medellin like anywhere else. Just hold it tight and close, don't play with one on a street corner too close to the street, I. E. Look like everyone else when they use their phone. You can ask a girl to "ven aca" (come over here) to talk more intimately away from a street or crowd.

[QUOTE]Lastly, keep walking on the street or being in a public place to a minimal and only Uber exactly to where you need to go? Club, Red Light Districts, Etc?[/QUOTE]I order my Uber from inside wherever I am, place a marker where I want to be picked up. I go out when car is arriving. I have it take me directly to where I am going. I don't usually linger outside.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2893838]
Girls use the word "cita" (appointment) a lot. No need to mention sex, it's implied.[/QUOTE]Cita, servicio, un rato, un ratico, quiero verte, etc.

These newbie questions are unreal.

Migracióand Colombia should make you pass a basic Spanish test before allowing entry to Colombia.

Uber isn't illegal in Colombia, because technically, you are renting a car which comes with a driver. As you click through the acceptance screens when requesting a ride, you'll notice one that mentions this. Also, I recommend, as have others, using something besides the base level of Uber like UberComfort. Less chance of getting cancelled.

[QUOTE=CatBert55;2893855]Uber isn't illegal in Colombia, because technically, you are renting a car which comes with a driver. As you click through the acceptance screens when requesting a ride, you'll notice one that mentions this. Also, I recommend, as have others, using something besides the base level of Uber like UberComfort. Less chance of getting cancelled.[/QUOTE]It's better to use Indriver or Picap and Didi Moto.

This is correct. Uber is no longer illegal in Colombia; it hasn't been illegal since the time of the pandemic. Drivers prefer you sit in the front seat to avoid conflicts with taxistas. Taxistas are very anti ride share, even though all the ride share apps now have a taxi option. Reasons uber and the other ride share apps are good options are: GPS routing so you don't have to communicate the destination or route to the driver, a fare you agree to in advance, various payment options including foreign credit cards, vetted drivers (less so for indriver than for uber and didi), safety options including real time location sharing and panic buttons, lost and found service for belongings you leave in the car, no risk of falling victim to the counterfeit bill scam. I resort to taxis only when no other option is available.

[QUOTE=CatBert55;2893855]Uber isn't illegal in Colombia, because technically, you are renting a car which comes with a driver. As you click through the acceptance screens when requesting a ride, you'll notice one that mentions this. Also, I recommend, as have others, using something besides the base level of Uber like UberComfort. Less chance of getting cancelled.[/QUOTE]

Does anyone here know how far the closest subway stations are to the following daytime casas -- New Life, Energy Spa and Loutron? I heard that Loutron might be further out so maybe Uber or taxi required to get there and back. By the way, how far is the hotel M (mansion) to any subway station?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2893659]Just let the chicks bring it. They are going to have to spike it anyway.[/QUOTE]LOL. Nah not the ones I have coming over. These are repeats from some time.

But seriously, trying to see if a liquor store is within walking distance in that plaza. I see on Google Maps a Carulla supermarket is nearby so I guess I'll have to use an Uber.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2893788]......The app doesn't know that you are using an English idiom. The way to express your excitement is to say "Estoy emocionado conocerte".

....[/QUOTE]Villainy's post, is, as usual, well written and helpful. (Full disclosure: he's a buddy of mine.) The example he cites in the quote above ("Estoy emocionado. ") represents one half of a notably coupled, "falso amigos / false friends" --defined as two words in Spanish and English that sound as if they should mean the same thing (i. e. are "cognates" of each other, or in spanish, "cognados") but actually have completely different meanings, sometimes amusingly so.

These "Falso Amigos" pose a notorious peril for the beginner Spanish speaker or the user of Google Translate. As in Villainy's example, the English word "excited", in most of its uses, is translated as "emocianado". But if you happened to be introduced to your girlfriend's parents for the first time, and instead should happen to exclaim "Estoy muy excitado de conocerlos", it could be understood to mean "I'm very sexually excited (aroused) to meet you. " Como dicimos en la calle, tenga cuidado. " Take care.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2893807]So how is it any different than any other mediocre hotel with a pool?[/QUOTE]Gabacho. Why so off-the cuff, dismissive? I'm responding as someone who benefited from a 3 or 4 day stay at Hotel M on my first visit here five years ago, and has returned a few times for special events in the bar. (I quickly moved to a Laureles apartment and haven't looked back.).

Even with the pool closed to chicas, (and granted that the hotel's over all physical set up is just "decent" but nothing special), I'm confident in saying that Hotel M (aka: the Mansion) remains an excellent choice for the first-time, monger visit to Medellin for several reasons--all of them unique to the joint when compared to any other hotel / apartment option in the city.

1. An in-house bar, populated with a good number of independent chicas willing and ready to service you on the premises (at least on Wednesday / Thursday through Saturday evenings). Best to time a visit to arrive mid-week if you can. The pickings in the bar may be sparse earlier in the week. (A caveat: If you're super selective like me, no guarantee that you will find a chica in the bar that turns you on. But this can be true of any casa or strip club in town on any given day or night).

2. 100% of the guests are staying in the hotel for the same reason that you are: to bang nubile Paisas. You don't have to be cautious or tentative about sharing your sex tourist story with anyone you meet, and it's easy to find companionship both for hanging out in the hotel / bar and for venturing out on the town.

3. To my surprise, when I was there, a number of the guests were guys who had been coming to Medellin for years and just liked staying at the Mansion. From other posts, that seems to still be the case. These are guys who know the Medellin mongering ropes and can provide good advise on venues and pricing, or even accompany you on a first trip to a casa, strip club, or El Centro. (When I was there, the hotel had a pleasant, communal-style breakfast set-up that made it easy to meet these and other guests.).

One asterisk to the above: the closure of the pool to chicas may somewhat reduce the number of clientele from previous years choosing to return. Too soon to tell. Although my Mansion stay was years ago, from the gadzillion Hotel M related posts on this thread, I'm pretty sure my above observations remain valid. If not, someone with more recent experience please chime in.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2893866]

As in Villainy's example, the English word "excited", in most of its uses, is translated as "emocianado". But if you happened to be introduced to your girlfriend's parents for the first time, and instead should happen to exclaim "Estoy muy excitado de conocerlos", it could be understood to mean "I'm very sexually excited (aroused) to meet you. " Como dicimos en la calle, tenga cuidado. " Take care.[/QUOTE]Very good point and an embarrassing pitfall to avoid. We could also distinguish "A ella, me gusta" vs "A ella, me cae bien" but I doubt anyone here knows. Or cares.

[QUOTE=Yuvaraj;2893567]Do you have to know if they single bedrooms for rent?[/QUOTE]Yes they do. Well kind of single. Its a odd layout kind of.

We usually get the 10 bdrm penthouse. That is the top two levels of the 5 story building.

Top level is a hughe penthouse with two bedrooms and a 12 person jacuzzi, as well as a kitchen and like 2 living rooms.

4th floor is 4 double rooms. Each of the foor has its own key card, and once inside that there are two rooms, a shared little kitchen, and a jacuzzi. Sorry its confusing I know.

So you can rent one of the 4 double rooms, which will give you 2 rooms and a jacuzzi.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2893866]("Estoy emocionado. ") represents one half of a notably coupled, "falso amigos / false friends" --defined as two words in Spanish and English that sound as if they should mean the same thing (i. e. are "cognates" of each other, or in spanish, "cognados") but actually have completely different meanings, sometimes amusingly so.

These "Falso Amigos" pose a notorious peril for the beginner Spanish speaker or the user of Google Translate. As in Villainy's example, the English word "excited", in most of its uses, is translated as "emocianado". But if you happened to be introduced to your girlfriend's parents for the first time, and instead should happen to exclaim "Estoy muy excitado de conocerlos", it could be understood to mean "I'm very sexually excited (aroused) to meet you. " Como dicimos en la calle, tenga cuidado. " Take care.[/QUOTE]All of that is true, but the adjective should follow the noun and agree in gender and number! Maybe that poses a notorious peril as well.

[URL]https://www.elcolombiano.com/medellin/canadiense-el-septimo-extranjero-muerto-este-ano-en-medellin-y-valle-de-aburra-JE23723785?fbclid=IwAR0C0q9HXOqHLKvHjfP-znA2q2kfVmP1qGqYRHG7Quy4IVf7ocsKZwUZJFo[/URL]

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2893864]Does anyone here know how far the closest subway stations are to the following daytime casas -- New Life, Energy Spa and Loutron? I heard that Loutron might be further out so maybe Uber or taxi required to get there and back. By the way, how far is the hotel M (mansion) to any subway station?[/QUOTE]The closest station to New Life is Prado, but you should go from Parque Barrio station. Prado area is a little shady. It's approximately 10 blocks from Berrio station to New Life. The blocks around the metro are not nice square blocks, lots of curves. Plot your path before getting to the station.

Energy Spa is closest to the Estadio station. You have to walk around the stadium. It's about 1000 meters. That area is safe any time during the day, and probably at night also.

I don't know any information about Loutron.

I think the Aguacatala station is the closest station to Hotel M. Just guessing, probably 1500 - 2000 meters.

My spanish is intermediate level and I can understand 80-90% of what my chicas say so able to carry on conversations and get by with a little help from translator. I do have to ask them to speak slowly and clearly. Colombian accent is tough and I am used to Mexicans. But what I don't know is how to talk dirty to them. You can't learn that on youtube. I know quiero cojerte or follarte means I want to fuck you but not much more. One of my chicas recently said meteme which she had to explain means fuck me but translates to put it in me or something like that? How about some useful phrases for dirty talk por favor.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2893902]My spanish is intermediate level and I can understand 80-90% of what my chicas say so able to carry on conversations and get by with a little help from translator. I do have to ask them to speak slowly and clearly. Colombian accent is tough and I am used to Mexicans. But what I don't know is how to talk dirty to them. You can't learn that on youtube. I know quiero cojerte or follarte means I want to fuck you but not much more. One of my chicas recently said meteme which she had to explain means fuck me but translates to put it in me or something like that? How about some useful phrases for dirty talk por favor.[/QUOTE]It seems like we had a forum for that. Maybe it's in Spanish phrases or something like that. The verb 'meter' translates as 'to put it in. ' 'Enterar' is another good sex verb, translates as 'bury. ' This is probably argie slang but one thing you could bury would be 'la berenjena,' or I've heard 'la zanahoria,' 'el chorizo,' etc. 'Lamar' is 'to lick' and is useful. By the way, the verb is coger and not cojer, and it changes to a jay in the preterite.

This is a puto site but it's the same principle:

[URL]https://www.grindr.com/blog/sexting-in-spanish-phrases[/URL]

Or this thread is good:

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/Spanish/comments/kr7tn5/spanish_pillow_talk/[/URL]

And no, dudes, you can't do this with google translate. You'll get shot or worse if you try that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2893887]All of that is true, but the adjective should follow the noun and agree in gender and number! Maybe that poses a notorious peril as well.[/QUOTE]Spanish is flexible about whether the adjective follows the noun, although always it must agree in gender and number. If I say 'qué tenga buen día' (I think it should be 'un buen día' since a modified noun needs an indirect article, but no one says it that way), the adjective is not following the noun, right? Most times it doesn't matter.

However, there are specific situations where it changes the meaning:

'Compré un nuevo coche' = I got a new car, not necessarily a brand new car, but a different car than I had the last time I chatted. But '¡Compré un coche nuevo!' = I bought a brand new car (and I'm excited). 'Él es un gran señor' = he is a great man, but 'El es un señor grande' = he is an old man. There are a few other examples of this.

But in general, a fun thing about Spanish is you can [B]usually[/B] put the adjective and the noun in either order. Me gusta la sabrosa comida. Me gusta la comida sabrosa. Me gusta el fuerte sexo. Me gusta el sexo fuerte. Ella es una mala chica. Ella es una chica mala.

I've mostly been a Tinder man in Colombia. I've had a lot of success with it and never had any problems meeting anyone. When I first started using it in Cartagena during the pandemic in 2021, I had tons of matches. 99+. I could not even get through all the matches before it went back past 99.

My first time in Medellin was last year and I basically had zero luck. Few matches and even fewer who were actually willing to talk. I'm a young, decent looking guy in decent shape. I don't know if it's a problem with the app or the fact that I've deleted and created my account back lots of times. But I've also used different phones with different numbers. But same photos. I don't know if somehow Tinder tracks your photos and begins to deprioritize you if you keep deleting and creating an account.

Or maybe its something else, I don't know. I know the pandemic brought out a lot of people but also the economy isn't much better than it was during the pandemic either because of inflation either.

Really all you need to get by if you want a good time with girls is the online advertisements or if you want to see what you're getting before you buy, Centro or Poblado. I just tend to prefer Tinder to find regular girls or semi-pros (not the pros that want to charge you $100 USD) because usually that ends up in better sex although it's an investment in time of course.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2893902] One of my chicas recently said meteme which she had to explain means fuck me but translates to put it in me or something like that? [/QUOTE]Probably she said mátame, 'kill me', meaning "fuck me hard', they also often say "dame duro" or 'duro", there is a popular Anuel AA song "Duro".

[QUOTE=Villainy;2893788]... The way to express your excitement is to say "[b]Estoy emocionado conocerte[/b]".....[/QUOTE]I don't speak much Spanish so take this as a grain of salt. It is a different meaning if you translate that into English. I probably will use ver instead. I think para is valid too but I probably will use a. It is to reach a different state.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2893918]I don't speak much Spanish so take this as a grain of salt. It is a different meaning if you translate that into English. I probably will use ver instead. I think para is valid too but I probably will use a. It is to reach a different state.[/QUOTE]Yes he's missing the connector word either para or de would suffice.

"Estoy emocionado de conocerte" or "estoy emocionado para conocerte".

And in Colombia they prefer to use usted more than tu so it would be "estoy emocionado de conocerlo" or "estoy emocionado de conocerle".

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2893915]Probably she said mtame, 'kill me', meaning "fuck me hard', they also often say "dame duro" or 'duro", there is a popular Anuel AA song "Duro".[/QUOTE]She most likely said "meteme" or "meteme lo" she was telling him to penetrate her (I. E. To stick it in).

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2893902] How about some useful phrases for dirty talk por favor.[/QUOTE]Quieres que te mame la cuca?

Quitate la ropa y acuéstate en la cama.

Abre las piernas.

Montate.

Ponte en cuatro.

Chupame el guebo.

Dale Duro. (this is what I say when the girl is on top)

Sigue sigue dale dale dale voy a acabar sigue sigue. (this is what I say when the girl is on top riding and I have her make me cum)

Te amo.

Chao.

Hope this helps LOL.

Gabacho.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2893838]Uber is illegal, but just a ticket, so it's everywhere. No uncommon for a driver to ask you to sit in front or have really dark rear windows to not attract enforcement. There's no penalty to the passenger, just the driver gets a ticket.

Girls use the word "cita" (appointment) a lot. No need to mention sex, it's implied. You can ask "Cuanto por una cita?" (how much for a date) or offer an amount "te puedo ofrecer 300 mil por una cita?" (can I offer your 300 mil for a date?) If you have preferences you want to discuss in advance, just state them (I want.). If you have no idea if a specific girl is a "prepaga" (pre-paid aka hooker/escort/etc.) then you can ask "sin ofenderte, eres muy linda, tu ofreces citas?" (without offending you, you are very pretty, do you offer dates?) or something to that variety. They love verbal compliments, so throw extra ones at the start and end of every sentence if you can (my dear love, could i interest you in a date? you are so pretty). Whatever comes out of translator will work well..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2893838]Uber is illegal, but just a ticket, so it's everywhere. No uncommon for a driver to ask you to sit in front or have really dark rear windows to not attract enforcement. There's no penalty to the passenger, just the driver gets a ticket.

Girls use the word "cita" (appointment) a lot. No need to mention sex, it's implied. You can ask "Cuanto por una cita?" (how much for a date) or offer an amount "te puedo ofrecer 300 mil por una cita?" (can I offer your 300 mil for a date?) If you have preferences you want to discuss in advance, just state them (I want.). If you have no idea if a specific girl is a "prepaga" (pre-paid aka hooker/escort/etc.) then you can ask "sin ofenderte, eres muy linda, tu ofreces citas?" (without offending you, you are very pretty, do you offer dates?) or something to that variety. They love verbal compliments, so throw extra ones at the start and end of every sentence if you can (my dear love, could i interest you in a date? you are so pretty). Whatever comes out of translator will work well..[/QUOTE]Appreciate the feedback. Been reading these comments and using duolingo for hours as if I'm studying for an exam I can't afford to fail.

At this point, I'm going to bring some Activated Charcoal with me. Although it's Not < a cure, and it's Not < preventative, I've read that in 50 Grams to 100 Grams within minutes of digestion, can somewhat reduce the affects of scopolamine, according to everyone's favorite doctor, ChatGPT. Getting it in those amounts, is tricky as you'd literally have to take 32 to 63 pills of the 1000 MG + bottles within minutes of knowing you've been scoped with water as you fight off a prepaga, which signs obviously include feeling dizzy and about to pass out for no reason. I'd have those amounts easily accessible, take them, then run out of the room immediately if possible.

Hopefully, I never have to test this theory but if you see on the news a monger filled with charcoal in his system, at least you'll all know.

What's your, or anyone else's take on Incall? I see "verified" girls on the escort sites offering it at their private apartments, while some here say never go and others say they do go.

On [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/[/URL] , I see prices showing of 1 hora $130. Is this USD? Also got confused on a restaurant saying they want $116.90 for a single entree of Chinese food.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2893925]Quieres que te mame la cuca?

Quitate la ropa y acustate en la cama.

Abre las piernas.

Montate.

Ponte en cuatro.

Chupame el guebo..[/QUOTE]I'm not going to bother to translate everything you said because the first translation came out to be:

Quieres que te mame la cuca? Do you want me to suck your cock?

No judgement of course. I saw earlier how it's important Translate to Spanish, then Translate the Translation back to English. Wonder how girls (or guys, again no judgement) react.

Anyways, what I'm doing is thinking of all possible vulgar and profane phrases and questions I can think of that makes me sick even having to type them out in a word document, Translating them, then saving them in a note app on my phone. Google Translate App also has a saved search phrase that should do this as well, but having a backup should help.

Since I'm posting again, is there a place comparable to Scandallo in Sao Paulo, which has been described as one of the 8 wonders of the world, where do the "gustos" or high GPS stunners hang out in MDE to be found?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2893921]Yes he's missing the connector word either para or de would suffice.

"Estoy emocionado de conocerte" or "estoy emocionado para conocerte".

And in Colombia they prefer to use usted more than tu so it would be "estoy emocionado de conocerlo" or "estoy emocionado de conocerle".[/QUOTE]So it's not really the case that 'either would suffice. ' Each Spanish verb has an associated preposition. Some verbs change meaning depending on the preposition that follows.

[URL]https://www.spanishdict.com/guide/common-verbpreposition-pairs-in-spanish[/URL]

'Estoy emocionado EN conocerte. '.

Para and de would certainly suffice to get the point across but the correct preposition here is 'en.'

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2893890]The closest station to New Life is Prado, but you should go from Parque Barrio station. Prado area is a little shady. It's approximately 10 blocks from Berrio station to New Life. The blocks around the metro are not nice square blocks, lots of curves. Plot your path before getting to the station.

Energy Spa is closest to the Estadio station. You have to walk around the stadium. It's about 1000 meters. That area is safe any time during the day, and probably at night also.

I don't know any information about Loutron.

I think the Aguacatala station is the closest station to Hotel M. Just guessing, probably 1500 - 2000 meters.[/QUOTE]Thanks so much. I'll try to plot all of these on a Google map and see how feasible it is to take the metro.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2893890]The closest station to New Life is Prado, but you should go from Parque Barrio station. Prado area is a little shady. It's approximately 10 blocks from Berrio station to New Life. The blocks around the metro are not nice square blocks, lots of curves. Plot your path before getting to the station.

Energy Spa is closest to the Estadio station. You have to walk around the stadium. It's about 1000 meters. That area is safe any time during the day, and probably at night also.

I don't know any information about Loutron.

I think the Aguacatala station is the closest station to Hotel M. Just guessing, probably 1500 - 2000 meters.[/QUOTE]For Loutron it should be Aguacatala and taxi or uber from there.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2893908]It seems like we had a forum for that. Maybe it's in Spanish phrases or something like that. The verb 'meter' translates as 'to put it in. ' 'Enterar' is another good sex verb, translates as 'bury. ' This is probably argie slang but one thing you could bury would be 'la berenjena,' or I've heard 'la zanahoria,' 'el chorizo,' etc. 'Lamar' is 'to lick' and is useful. By the way, the verb is coger and not cojer, and it changes to a jay in the preterite.

This is a puto site but it's the same principle:

[URL]https://www.grindr.com/blog/sexting-in-spanish-phrases[/URL]

Or this thread is good:

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/Spanish/comments/kr7tn5/spanish_pillow_talk/[/URL]

And no, dudes, you can't do this with google translate. You'll get shot or worse if you try that.[/QUOTE]Except coger means to fuck in Mexico. In Colombia it means the same as agarrar, usually people use it to say they are taking the bus "voy a coger el bus" or "coja un taxi" etc. In Colombia the word they use is culear (and no it doesn't mean anal or Butt sex it means sex without emotions). Quiero culear contigo is how you would tell someone you want to fuck them in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2893925]Quieres que te mame la cuca?

Quitate la ropa y acustate en la cama.

Abre las piernas.

Montate.

Ponte en cuatro.

Chupame el guebo.

Dale Duro. (this is what I say when the girl is on top).[/QUOTE]Almost nothing. I just use universal hand gestures and the girls always understand. Curl your fingers in a circular pattern with one hand and go back and forth toward your mouth and everyone understands that. Take your hand palm up and then flip it when the girl is lying on her back and everyone understands that. Ja ja ja. You can definitely a lot of things in bed with hand gestures.

Fellow mongers,

I've bought the Medellin map from worldtraveler but still can't find the Casa named "Dulce / Dulce Campañas" that's been mentioned on this board. Its the casa that everyone says has fatties. Can someone provide a specific location on where to find it? Are there other casas with plus sized women? I'm looking for women with big booties.

Just a few thoughts on my solo trip at the end of January.

- I decided to stay in Poblado this trip because of all the ME & PP girls who put POB as their location. Well, guess what, everyone of them that came to my apto came from Bello or Laureles.

All of the citas, 3 or 4, that I traveled to were in Laureles. I was off of CL 11 a so it was far enough away from CL 10 that it was not feasible to walk either way. Only a 3-4 min uber away but still.

Not as easy as walking out the front door and sitting down for a cup of coffee 5 min later.

- Passport Bros were in full force up and down CL 10 , Parque Lleras & Provenza.

- Ay Wey Bar had cold beer & good wings but that has to be the biggest Gringo Pricing Rip-off in the MDE. Never again.

- Chica pricing is on the upswing. Regulars that sessioned for 200 k less than 2 yrs ago when the exch rate was 4000+COP:1 USD for were wanting 350 k COP.

-The best exch rate I got was from the Davienda ATM and was 3836 COP:1 USD, of course with the declined conversion rate.

-Does anyone know why anyone on the face of the planet would knowingly accept the ATMs conversion rate and lose 5+% as opposed to declining the banks conv rate?

- As usual, see & I at the airport was a nightmare. Well over an hour in line. So aggravating. The only time I have ever not had to wait was when my flight from the USA was delayed and we got in at.

1 am If I plan my trip with a flight that gets in that late, it will be a wasted travel day, but I guess that is all part of the game.

- No Passport exit visa stamp this trip. The airport has gone to a Biomig passport and facial scanner so checkin was a bit quicker than it used to be.

If I think of anything else, I'll add it to this post!

El Mechanico.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2894050]- Ay Wey Bar had cold beer & good wings but that has to be the biggest Gringo Pricing Rip-off in the MDE. Never again.[/QUOTE]It's been years since I've been to Ay Wey Bar, but the Medellin Sports Bar in Laureles will probably challenge it for the biggest Gringo Price Rip-off. The last time I was there, more than two years ago, his beer prices were higher than any of the bars around Parque Lleras.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2894050]-The best exch rate I got was from the Davienda ATM and was 3836 COP:1 USD, of course with the declined conversion rate.[/QUOTE]Remember that you need to factor in the 15,000 ATM fee that Davivienda charges.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2893941]I'm not going to bother to translate everything you said because the first translation came out to be:

Quieres que te mame la cuca? Do you want me to suck your cock?

No judgement of course. I saw earlier how it's important Translate to Spanish, then Translate the Translation back to English. Wonder how girls (or guys, again no judgement) react.

Anyways, what I'm doing is thinking of all possible vulgar and profane phrases and questions I can think of that makes me sick even having to type them out in a word document, Translating them, then saving them in a note app on my phone. Google Translate App also has a saved search phrase that should do this as well, but having a backup should help.

Since I'm posting again, is there a place comparable to Scandallo in Sao Paulo, which has been described as one of the 8 wonders of the world, where do the "gustos" or high GPS stunners hang out in MDE to be found?[/QUOTE]You obviously are showing everyone your lack of Colombian Spanish. Anyone who has spent anytime here knows that cuca means pussy same as chocha panocha (México) or totona (Venezuela).

But go ahead and show us your ignorance, it's amusing.

P.S. Words for cock would be guebo (Venezuela) pene (proper español) verga (México) among other words but not cuca.

[QUOTE=Robotron;2893941]I'm not going to bother to translate everything you said because the first translation came out to be:

Quieres que te mame la cuca? Do you want me to suck your cock?

No judgement of course. I saw earlier how it's important Translate to Spanish, then Translate the Translation back to English. Wonder how girls (or guys, again no judgement) react.

Anyways, what I'm doing is thinking of all possible vulgar and profane phrases and questions I can think of that makes me sick even having to type them out in a word document, Translating them, then saving them in a note app on my phone. Google Translate App also has a saved search phrase that should do this as well, but having a backup should help.

Since I'm posting again, is there a place comparable to Scandallo in Sao Paulo, which has been described as one of the 8 wonders of the world, where do the "gustos" or high GPS stunners hang out in MDE to be found?[/QUOTE]Maybe you should do more research before blindly trusting In Google Translate.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2894050]
- No Passport exit visa stamp this trip. The airport has gone to a Biomig passport and facial scanner so checkin was a bit quicker than it used to be.



El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]Are you saying you as a foreigner used Biomig at the airport in Rio Negro?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2894077]Are you saying you as a foreigner used Biomig at the airport in Rio Negro?[/QUOTE]When I left MDE last December, exit Immigration was using the BioMig scanners to the right of the normal Immigration booths.

[QUOTE=CatBert55;2894079]When I left MDE last December, exit Immigration was using the BioMig scanners to the right of the normal Immigration booths.[/QUOTE]They should still give you an exit stamp on your passport tho. Not having an exit stamp could potentially cause problems when going to enter other countries. I remember reading a travel blog where a dude had said he was in Brazil and tried to enter Guyana but they wouldn't let him in without an exit stamp from Brazil. So what if you were flying from Medellin to Guyana and then when you get there the Guyanese immigration will be like oh I can't enter because you don't have an exit stamp from Colombia??

I think that might be the one nearest Parque Bolivar with the orange bead curtain at the entrance. Share the street address and I or someone else here can confirm for you.

[QUOTE=JoeRoc;2894032]Fellow mongers,

I've bought the Medellin map from worldtraveler but still can't find the Casa named "Dulce / Dulce Campaas" that's been mentioned on this board. Its the casa that everyone says has fatties. Can someone provide a specific location on where to find it? Are there other casas with plus sized women? I'm looking for women with big booties.[/QUOTE]

The immigration agents are using it to speed up the line on exit only. It's not available to foreigners for entry.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2894077]Are you saying you as a foreigner used Biomig at the airport in Rio Negro?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CatBert55;2894079]When I left MDE last December, exit Immigration was using the BioMig scanners to the right of the normal Immigration booths.[/QUOTE]Same here. When entering at Jose Maria you need to wait in the immigration line but leaving Colombia I've used the BioMig scanner twice now.