According to this, some feminists are pro-prostitution, and some are anti-prostitution:
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_prostitution[/URL]
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According to this, some feminists are pro-prostitution, and some are anti-prostitution:
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_prostitution[/URL]
With Sauna Clubs being successful in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and a couple in The Netherlands, why is this concept not employed more frequently or on larger scales in other countries where prostitution is legalized or openly tolerated?
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2161375]According to this, some feminists are pro-prostitution, and some are anti-prostitution:
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_prostitution[/URL][/QUOTE]I didn't read this, but in college I read some feminist perspectives on different things and there definitely is a debate within the women studies community about prostitution. In academic feminism some claim prostitution is liberating, while others maintain it's per definition exploitative. There is no single consensus on this. Here in the Netherlands I've actually seen female academics, sociologists but from a feminist perspective I believe, come out against the inflated claims about the amount of forced prostitution made by government institutions.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2161375]According to this, some feminists are pro-prostitution, and some are anti-prostitution:
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_views_on_prostitution[/URL][/QUOTE]I think we can do without the word feminism from now on. Many women don't want to be considered feminists any more. They still want to be victims though and entitled to free stuff, and accuse men without due process, and whine about the non existent wage gap and so on and so forth.
Most importantly for us, women want to prevent other women from selling sex to men at market prices.
[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2161351](3) Lesbians make less money than men for the same reason heterosexual women make less money than men. Sexism.[/QUOTE]Why post such PC redpill rubbish here? Isn't it enough for the mainstream media to beat that dead horse day in day out? No employer would hire a woman if he had the choice. Women don't work. They agitprop and destroy companies.
Quite apart from the fact that what lesbians earn was beside the point.
[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2161348]You have no idea what #metoo is about. It's primarily about women who have been sexually harassed (or worse) in the workplace. It has nothing to do with what men look like. Nothing.[/QUOTE]What kind of trolling is this again? Go join women's lib then, it's about time you did. It's a public secret that #Metoo is a racket. It betrays among other things women's lack of respect for the rule of law and the human rights of men. In fact it shows women are unable to decently take part in public life. Giving women the vote was like giving a machine-gun to a monkey and we haven't seen the end of it.
Alpha and Beta are glorified propaganda labels that emanate from the USA "Man-o-sphere" where actual females are non-existent.
These 'bros' debate ad-nauseum what constitutes 'alpha' in almost a homo-erotic aspergerian manner.
The real test of Manhood is what does your life look like right now?
-Are you a millionaire?
-Have you had sex with 100+ 30 yrs old women (non-paid $).
-Do you own a successful business?
-Do you own property?
-Do you have a top-tier career?
-Do you own a home?
-Have you raised kids?
-Have you mentored others?
-Does your family respect you?
-Do you have true freedom?
-Are you healthy, wealthy and wise?
If answers to the majority of the list above is not yes; then ask yourself: Why is that?
One's life is the sum total of all the decisions one has made to date.
Being honest with one-self v. Writing screeds / tirades will result in better personal outcomes.
I and all top-tier, elite Males have adopted 'personas' from A-Z: being dominant, playing dumb, dead; passive, aggressive; decisive; bluff, stall, strike and on and on.
I am sure my ancestors colluded to corner the supply of elephants; were cronys of Ghengis; hedged ahead of OPEC; had iron-clad trusts; gambled on more stock markets, than casinos.
Survival is of the Fit.
[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2161343]Interesting that in your reply you delete the specific thing I ask about. If you can't summarize the evidence from memory then you don't really understand the basis of the argument you are referencing. And I'm certainly not going to hunt through a one hour video for evidence that you yourself found so unmemorable.
If you want to claim that money was invented so that prostitution could be possible, the burden of proof is on you.[/QUOTE]1. I have an excellent memory.
2. I have seen about 11 or 12 episodes of the series of lectures. They are all at over 1 hour each. 1 hour won't get you very far. And it wasn't in episode 1, but episode 1 is very important to understand the background. Plus it is logical. Anything else is illogical when you first understand the preliminary basics about sex and great apes reproduction strategies.
[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2161348]You have no idea what #metoo is about. It's primarily about women who have been sexually harassed (or worse) in the workplace. It has nothing to do with what men look like. Nothing.[/QUOTE]OK, so you read newspapers. Are you Mr. Politically_correct too now? Do note that the real truth is sometimes hidden behind the lines you read in the newspapers. The same can be said about the glaringly obvious chicken or the egg question regarding money and prostitution. There would be no need for money without prostitution. You cannot say the same in reverse. You need a chicken to hatch an egg.
[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2161347]I am very much in touch with what is going on over there. My last trip was summer of 2017. Less than a year ago. I've been participating in commercial sex in Germany for a couple decades now. I've lived in Germany, so I understand the culture. And if one keeps up with the various boards that's actually more information than one could possibly get as an individual. That's exactly why these boards exist.
But that's actually irrelevant to the substance of my arguments, which you've almost completely ignored. If any of the following is false, please do cite evidence showing that is so. The nature of points 1 through 7 is such that the date of my last visit is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]Nope, you are not at all in touch with it. Reason being that we have had a paradigm change, and on that note we are actually here discussing this very paradigm change. It is what we disagree on, and thus seeing you have not experienced our current paradigm, the prior 20 matters squat.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2161366]Anyone that doesn't agree with you and replies back is being argumentative. Regardless, the question still stands. Why pull rank / experience as if that gives any more credence to the quality of your argument?[/QUOTE]Erasmus Montaus anyone? Anyway, if you try to report someone here on ISG, one of the options are 'argumentative'. I once got a infraction for being 'argumentative'. Heck, that was the last infraction I got, and it was the straw that made the mods start reading all my comments before posting them. LOL. So now they get delayed up to 16 hours. Anyway, this thread might just be a safe haven from argumentativeness being an issue here at ISG.
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Feminism.
I think the reason we are squabbling about this is that like Marxism, capitalism, religion, socialism and so on, the Feminist movement encompasses every type of attitude, from intolerant totalitarianism to tolerant compassion. This is why every part of the discussion in this thread has some truth but we will never agree by trying to prove "feminism" as a whole is X, Y, or Z.
The only common thread in all Feminism is that it sees the power relationship between women and men as an issue which is paramount. In the same way that Marxists differ over everything except the central role of the Means of Production, and Christians can only agree that Christ was the Saviour.
So maybe we can continue to identify when a particular strand of Feminism affects the business. As has been said by others, blanket vague assertions about ill-defined "Feminism" and "Sexism" are too vague to be helpful, as are squabbles about the historical meaning of general movements like MeToo: what counts is how it might or might not affect the business of prostitution
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2161377]With Sauna Clubs being successful in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and a couple in The Netherlands, why is this concept not employed more frequently or on larger scales in other countries where prostitution is legalized or openly tolerated?[/QUOTE]I thought the same, but I guess due to societal oppositions in general even though it is legal.
Well I hope and I like to think there will be clubs like german FKK opening up in some other legal territory for prostitution in other part of europe or eastern europe.
I must say though. It takes a lot of organization at all levels to open club like German FKK which function, so it will be difficult.
[QUOTE=XXL;2161395]
women want to prevent other women from selling sex to men...
No employer would hire a woman if he had the choice. Women don't work. They agitprop and destroy companies.
It betrays among other things women's lack of respect for the rule of law and the human rights of men. In fact it shows women are unable to decently take part in public life. Giving women the vote was like giving a machine-gun to a monkey and we haven't seen the end of it.[/QUOTE]I don't agree with most of what XXL said in the above comment, but you have to respect him for articulating his views honestly and in an unvarnished fashion. Finally we are getting somewhere, instead of beating around the Bush.
One thing I do agree with him is that wage gap is almost becoming nonexistent. At least in the US, headline numbers are misleading, and when one adjusts for qualifications, experience levels, hours worked, willingness to travel and so on, the wage gap has shrunk to very small amount.
[QUOTE=Takedown;2161372]
Mentioning frequent mongers was not "pulling rank". It was to explain that their information is more highly regarded than those who "have not been Germany for a year." It was to point out how ludicrous it was for a person who has not seen the inside of an FKK since the laws have passed to have such a vehement stance on situation in which he has zero first hand experience.
.[/QUOTE]Looking to others for support is betraying a lack of conviction. It is tough to be standing alone. Being in a herd gives comfort. "See, these other people agree with me".
Pulling rank referred to the "I was in the club more and you were not" line.
If the question was "how is the LU this week" or "is the service level at Sharks better than Oase in the last month", recent frequency has merit.
If the question is "if one provides an accurate description of services received in the club on an internet chat board, would that lead to bad outcomes for all mongers in future due to the law change?”, then recent attendance provides extremely minimal to zero additional insight.
There have been tens of millions of sessions throughout the country in the 270 odd days since the law changed. Any individual experience sample, no matter how large from a personal point of view, is a small drop in the sea.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2161654]Looking to others for support is betraying a lack of conviction. It is tough to be standing alone. Being in a herd gives comfort. "See, these other people agree with me".[/QUOTE]Repost: Smart individuals tend to value the information gained from those who may be more informed if said information is deemed accurate and reliable. He then integrates the new information into his own belief system. This is called learning and growing with a pinch of humility.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2161654]Pulling rank referred to the "I was in the club more and you were not" line.
If the question was "how is the LU this week" or "is the service level at Sharks better than Oase in the last month", recent frequency has merit.
If the question is "if one provides an accurate description of services received in the club on an internet chat board, would that lead to bad outcomes for all mongers in future due to the law change?, then recent attendance provides extremely minimal to zero additional insight.[/QUOTE]Disagree. For the topic at hand, the effect of the laws on the scene, recent experience is of utmost importance. Recent attendance in the environment of new laws and new upselling strategies provides new data generated by introducing new variables. His argument does not empirically factor these new variables. This is called a hypothesis. With new variables having been introduce, his prior knowledge can only serve as a control group and is not an accurate and complete representation of the current environment. When trying to find the truth, most people would trust an experiment that draws a conclusion with supporting evidence over a mere hypothesis based on outdated information. This is simple scientific method.
I value recent reports above all else (which is why I try to do Field Reports whenever I can) and not general opinions unrelated to Field Reports. Others may have different reasons for coming here, for example, to develop ideas, to ponder issues, to prove points (all of which I share as is proven by this post which partially undermines my own initial words:eek:
As JNPR30 says, even a mass of individual Field Reports proves nothing. At most they will indicate trends (causation is another matter).
As for the effect of the July law, nothing can be proven, except that certain services are harder to find (fewer known providers, less advertising, less discussion).
As has been pointed out to me repeatedly, what and how we report on here is likely to have negligible effect on FKK clubs in overall terms. Life goes on.