Sunday in Wanchai with Brown Rail
[QUOTE=DoubleShooter;1650309]The Shooter has a 1-day stopover 11 am Sunday to 8 am Monday. Planning to try the DH scene in Wanchai.
Plenty of info via RTFF and Google, but is it up to date? Recent reports suggest that many DHs have cottoned on to the possibility of getting paid while having fun!
Any tips from seasoned members? Slight preference for non-Fili because next stop is Angeles! FR to follow.[/QUOTE]Hi Shooter,
I am not sure which Sunday / Monday, perhaps you have come and gone.
The site is pretty up to date, though experiences and opinions vary. First, in the morning and early afternoon you can head to Bar 109; it hops till about 4 pm. If you have not been there before, don't worry when you feel a hand in your pocket, she is not looking for your wallet, she is checking your other valuables. Say "Hi" and start dancing. It is mostly Indonesians. Most either want to drink / play or will go with a tourist / business man for $500 short time to nearby Ming Court Hotel. I have seen some order expensive bar-girl drinks, but most just want a beer. Do be careful that you order her drink, don't let her be the one to order from the waitress. And the waitresses are on their side.
Afterwards, you can check out Queen Victoria. For a few hours. Most women are there are just for fun. Not so much looking to make money. If you are good looking or golden tongued many are free, they just like fun too. A mix of Indonesians and Filipinas. My experience is that Indonesians have a surprisingly relaxed attitude about sex, they like to have fun and if they like you are really game. I don't believe that Queen Vic offers bar girl drinks.
Around 4 pm girls start flowing into Makati and Hong Kong Café. I think Makati is about 70% Indonesians, HK Café about 70% Filipinas. Until about 9 pm, most are there for fun, not for profit. Both bars do offer bar-girl drinks, but on Sundays it is pretty rare for a girl, except some of the hard cores at the bar itself in both places. Most just want to dance, enjoy their off day. And if they meet a nice guy, they are so happy.
Around 6, the band at Insiders comes on. Then the crowed there swells, mostly with Filipinas. Again, rarely would a girl ask for a bar-girl drink on Sunday. If you have the right look / talk, you can definitely get laid gratis. Some girls will be insulted if you offer money, a few might be happy.
If you like to watch a parade, grab an outside table at Sticky fingers. Lots of girls will walk by, and are happy to stop and chat.
Bottom line is that you don't have to pay on Sundays, but it can work. Be sensitive, I would be aggressive about asking your girl out – you don't have a lot of time – but wait for her to ask for money. Most DHs don't look for it and some will be upset that you think they are working girls. (Then they will walk over to me and tell me what a jerk you were.).
Around 9 pm the working girls come back, tough there are still some DHs there till about 11 pm.
Enjoy!
Wai Wah commercial building
Hi,
This was my first ever trip Hong Kong. I first wanted to try one woman places, but could not understand, how to enter the buildings, they look so residential and I see no one coming in or going out from those places as mentioned in the websites. Any ways wanted to try 37 Dundas, but the place was full. So was roaming around and find this wai wah building in nearby Portland street. Entered the lift, saw the ad of different saunas, preferred 4th floor. Entered the spa, he said flat 650 HKD. I said OK. Took shower entered a dark room with massage bed and dim red light. Then comes the girl, rather lady, but she had a very smooth fair skin (aged around 33). I was enjoying the skin touch and this made me much hornier and slid on the rubber for the deed. Wanted to DFK, but she didn't allow. I found out she was Hong Kong local Cantonese woman. Anyways I had great pleasure and confessed your my first Hong Kong lady I ever had. She felt happy. I don't think there was any place for tips as I left all my belongings in locker. Hence had a great hug and said Good Bye.
Rocky
Wanchai bars. Finding GFE
[QUOTE=BrownRail;1651176]I am glad you enjoyed, and feel your frustration.
You can simply say no when they ask for a drink, or better still ask what they drink. Tell them you are not their ATM. You would be happy to buy them a normal drink, but not a bar-girl drink. After all, a bar girl drink is simply taking money out of your pocket and putting into her's. Often for sugar water. With the bar taking a commission. "I am not your ATM".
The real hard core girls will leave. The others will likely respect you for it. You can even tell them you are happy to pay them for long time but not for silly drinks, cutting to the chase.[/QUOTE]Hi Brown Rail,
Thanks for the advice, I 'll have to agree with you because that's what happened.
I think I was just taken by surprise the first time, I just did not expect the drinks to cost so much and the girls (some of them) to be so pushy. Some left as soon as the flow of money stopped. It was a WTF moment I'll never forget!!
Anyway, despite the first bad impression and the fact that I was HKD 3,000 down on the first night, I decided to give it another try. Never stop believing!
So I went there last Friday, sat at the bar looking for a nice looking gal. Before I could even order a drink I was already surrounded by 'buy-me-a-drink' ladies (rule #1: the uglier the pushier). I refused politely to pay them a bar-girl drink and. Most left, but those who stayed turned out to be super friendly, good looking. Basically hot girls looking for some fun in HK!
Did not take any home (yet) but exchanged numbers & FB with a few (definitely 8+, at least in my scale).
Oh, I actually offered to buy something to them at some point; guess what, they asked for (cheap) food instead of tequila! Second night: less than HKD 500 (including my beers), a helluva night and 3 contacts for next time.
Your approach sounds good
[QUOTE=Mvulane;1651576]Hi Brown Rail,
Thanks for the advice, I 'll have to agree with you because that's what happened.
I think I was just taken by surprise the first time, I just did not expect the drinks to cost so much and the girls (some of them) to be so pushy. Some left as soon as the flow of money stopped. It was a WTF moment I'll never forget!!
Anyway, despite the first bad impression and the fact that I was HKD 3,000 down on the first night, I decided to give it another try. Never stop believing!
So I went there last Friday, sat at the bar looking for a nice looking gal. Before I could even order a drink I was already surrounded by 'buy-me-a-drink' ladies (rule #1: the uglier the pushier). I refused politely to pay them a bar-girl drink and. Most left, but those who stayed turned out to be super friendly, good looking. Basically hot girls looking for some fun in HK!
Did not take any home (yet) but exchanged numbers & FB with a few (definitely 8+, at least in my scale).
Oh, I actually offered to buy something to them at some point; guess what, they asked for (cheap) food instead of tequila! Second night: less than HKD 500 (including my beers), a helluva night and 3 contacts for next time.[/QUOTE]That is terrific. It sounds like you are on your way to having an approach that works for you. I have not purchased a bar girl drink. On purpose. In years. If I have a real date, of course I pay. It is only polite. But when I meet someone new that I an interested in, sometimes I buy regular drinks or sometimes I let them keep buying their own. It feels much more normal, like we are getting to know each other. If they are really working, interested in my money, they walk away early. Less invested (money and time), less wasted.
Offering dinner is a great way to take it to the next step. For the price of a lady's drink, you get dinner together, can talk, see her in real light, someone to keep you company, and it moves things along to the next step. Taking them to dinner will set you up really well to take them home or for a date later. Hey Hey, corner of Luard and Lochhart is perfect for this.
So on a typical night, my budget will be for my drinks, and a few for the guys or girl friends. I am not a big drinker. It would be unusual for me to spend more than a few hundred dollars. At this spend rate I have no hesitation going out. If I were spending a few thousand each time I went out, I would have to limited nights out.
A good time can be had in Makati Saturday afternoons. From 4 pm there will be 10-20 DHs, and almost no guys (maybe more after this post). The girls are looking for dance partners, no more, and would love dinner. You can certainly get good phone numbers. If you want to get laid first time, time dinner early as they have curfews. Makati used to give free food on Saturdays, but sadly no more. But it is happy hour, so drinks are $25-35. Anyway, it is a bit quiet, but nice way to spend a lazy Saturday afternoon.
Living in the parallel world
[QUOTE=Weben;1651946]I recently met a woman from Indonesia working in a restaurant and we met for lunch during the week when she had a day off. We chatted a bit after that after that and I was looking to met her again. I suggested we have lunch again during her next day off, and I suggested a hotel as my apartment is small (that and I don't want her to know where I live). She replied that she would come to my apartment and that I should give her the money I save on getting a hotel room. So, even the casual non domestic helpers might expect something.
In my experience, there are only two women who won't expect anything. First, the casual hookup at LKF with a working professional (some still go there for a one-night stand), or SOHO. Second, a Chinese woman looking for a relationship or committed partner. The latter takes a little more time, but I have met a few educated, professional women looking for a steady sex partner. However, this is probably only feasible if you are 30's-40's and in relatively good shape and don't mind a woman also in her 30's-40's.[/QUOTE]It is interesting. You described one relationship that did not go exactly as you would like. I think one aspect you might consider is having parallel efforts. DHs are only off one day a week. Even ones who live out are not always available. If you have only one relationship at a time you will find yourself alone a lot. So you need to have a few GFs to fill your week. A rotation.
I find that if I just date a woman here, you don't have to be pushy about sex. If she is not ready, my next date will be. If you feel they want it, by all means go for it. But on or about the third date, they all become really aggressive.
The other reason is that they are a bit unreliable. Ok, no surprise. Filipino time. So they are often late or don't show up at all. Always with a good reason. So I will often have a number of conversions going at the same time. If you make a date to see three woman on a Saturday or Sunday, it is likely that at least one will show up. Maybe this is a bit exaggerated. But the lesson is to make a number of plans and then be fluid. Most of the time you will be fine, having at least one great date. Sometimes you will need to slide one a bit later. Some times, even with three, none will show. Make sure that you schedule them at different but nearby places. And it is often good to keep non-Wanchi girls out of Wanchai. This helps limit collisions.
A warning though. The girls expect this. But they don't like it. You might get called a Wanchai boy or Babarero. Best to be "honest" and not to promise monogamy. Better to refer to your relationship as dating and special. Most will be unhappy at first, but they realize they are not regularly available themselves either, and most come to terms with it.
Comment was more about things are changing.
[QUOTE=BrownRail;1652351]It is interesting. You described one relationship that did not go exactly as you would like. I think one aspect you might consider is having parallel efforts. DHs are only off one day a week. Even ones who live out are not always available. If you have only one relationship at a time you will find yourself alone a lot. So you need to have a few GFs to fill your week. A rotation.
I find that if I just date a woman here, you don't have to be pushy about sex. If she is not ready, my next date will be. If you feel they want it, by all means go for it. But on or about the third date, they all become really aggressive.
A warning though. The girls expect this. But they don't like it. You might get called a Wanchai boy or Babarero. Best to be "honest" and not to promise monogamy. Better to refer to your relationship as dating and special. Most will be unhappy at first, but they realize they are not regularly available themselves either, and most come to terms with it.[/QUOTE]My point was, even when you think you might have a freebie, more women seem to be direct about what they want in return; that being some sort of compensation / gifts / etc. The original poster made a comment about domestic helpers realizing they can get a little compensation if they ask, I was just saying it is more than just a DH these says that realizes they can get a little more than just companionship.
I am with you. I never promise love or monogamy unless it is actually there, I am totally up front with women. I had girlfriends in Singapore (flight attendant), Malaysia and Indonesia at the same time and never promised love or marriage. And, I generally do have a few women I chat with regularly, but finding that I have less time to maintain those friendships and get out to meet. I should say, some of my best casual encounters have been here and in Vietnam with nice, attractive educated women just looking for a decent, polite, professional guy near their age. Actually, Viet women can be some of the most conserved in public but amazingly sexual and are still my favorite choice for casual dating.
