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[QUOTE=SimonHeSays;1237586]Brilliant! No shortage of Rhodes Scholars is there.[/QUOTE]If you were smart, you should go thru my posts, and then ask specific questions on the correct thread.

[QUOTE=Jorian; 1237001]Murders per 100, 000 population.

Philippines: 4. 3

Thailand: 8. 5

USA: 6. 3

Angeles City: 5. 3.

Amsterdam: 7. 7.

Los Angeles: 12. 6.

Detroit: 41. 4.[/QUOTE]Although I will not argue with the figures posted, I just want to put in my 2cents as I do regularly visit the PI and AC.

The 1st and most important thing to know about stats and figures is that although the argument about foreigners killed and well publicized is true as this is something the govt can't hide but will try to often list it under a more favorable stats as not to look badly to the govt. (like foreigner was killed accidentally in a fight, leaving out the fact that it was a fight while he was being robbed).

Also, if murders occur to the locals many goes unreported so the figures are way under reported. I know for a fact that the robbery stats in the PI are a farce. Why? Because local people that are robbed don't even bother to report to police as 1) they don't really care and will not make much of any effort to track anyone down except when the victim "bribes" the police to help with the investigation and that is often more money than was lost in robbery to begin with. 2) police are sometimes in on it.

Yes, PI and AC is safer than some of the worst parts of Detroit but not some of the better US cities.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1237606]I have no probs with anal in AC although many other punters have said its rare. I ask upfront and I am discrete but I know many others do the same so who knows maybe I have been lucky LOL.[/QUOTE]It also helps if you have a small penis. Many girls worry about big ones tearing them up. That's the reason some girls gave about being hesitant going out with black guys.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1237606]I know it sound crazy but even if you get a girl that does anal she will be shy to do it in front of the other girl unless she is shore that the other girl will take it up the ass too. There is no way that she will let you do her and have the other girl then bad mouth her in the bar.[/QUOTE]That principal also applies to the lesbian stuff. That's why most girls will only do it with either a friend at the bar that will do the same stuff or a girl from some other bar. The girls do not want to be bad mouthed in the bar about doing kinky stuff.

[QUOTE=Jorian; 1237001]Murders per 100, 000 population.

Philippines: 4. 3

USA: 6. 3

Los Angeles: 12. 6.

Detroit: 41. 4.

I use live in Oakland CA for 6 years where homicide occurs on the daily basis.[/QUOTE]I disagree with those figures. I can quote figures showing the Philippine homicide rate is about 20% higher than the USA

But even assuming they're correct, it's misleading and not relevant to tourists and expats to the Philippines.

For starters, there is the ghetto avoidability issue. In America, there's no reason why anyone, particularly tourists, would need to visit and congregate at the parts of Oakland you've described. If you earn more than $10 / hour, you can easily afford living elsewhere. I've lived in America all my life and cannot remember being inside a gang-infested neighborhood (aside from driving past it on the freeway at 75 miles per hour). Normally, people living in American ghettos are there because they're felons, drug addicts, criminals or simply cannot hold down a job.

It's different in the Philippines. There, it's impossible for tourists and expats to avoid Philippine ghettos since it covers 70%+ of any Philippine city. And even in the "good" neighborhoods like Makati City, there are still shady people crawling around scamming or stealing from you. So whether you're in a good or bad neighborhood, there are impoverished Filipinos gunning for you. Unlike in America, you cannot avoid trongs of shady people in the Philippines.

And that leads me to my next point. If you're non-Filipino, you're being specifically targeted for crime (whereas, in America, you're likely just unlucky). Telling me that there's only 4. 3 murders per 100, 000 in the Philippines isn't going to make me feel any better if I'm walking around with a bullseye on my chest.

I agree the threat of violent crime in the Philippine is exaggerated. But what's not exaggerated is police corruption and ineptitude. If you need help, they can't provide it. For example, nobody will fault the Philippines government for the hostage incident 1.5 years ago when a busload of Hong Kongers were killed. Hostage-taking can happen anywhere. But on live TV, we all saw how the police lacks even the most basic equipment and training to deal with violent criminals. If they can't protect people on national television, you think they can protect an anonymous, unknown person like yourself?

I should also point out that no government or police official lost their jobs over the hostage incident. Only two people got a "reprimand". Therefore, when cops don't do their jobs in the Philippines, nobody is held to account.

The bottom line is, your post is unfair because you're comparing the worst part of America (inner city Oakland) to "normal" parts of the Philippines. If you compare your average American neighborhood to your average Philippine neighborhood, there is no question which neighborhood is safer.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1237834]It also helps if you have a small penis. Many girls worry about big ones tearing them up. That's the reason some girls gave about being hesitant going out with black guys.[/QUOTE]GreenBud I get them to agree before they have a chance to see me. And I am not small either plus I fuck like a madman, sweet talk and being nice in general helps but hey we have guys here discussing tips, ladies drinks, cherry girl rip offs and so on. As the forum logo states MONEY IS THE GREATEST APHRODISIAC and knowing when to show it when to spend it can work wonders in the right circumstances. What also helps is being honest and upfront about it, being equipped with KY and in some cases the right butt plugs. My experience is that it is available far easier then people think but in a town like AC many mongers just give up to easy thinking there is so much pussy around so why bother. I rarely pay anything additional for anal in AC but I am prepared to if I really like the girl. Talking to the right way, by this I mean being nice plus getting them excited about doing something very naughty and showing them some good time prior the deed can work wonders. It does take a bit more Patience and sometimes you have to repeat a girl few times until she trusts you with it but in general I find them just as curious as their indo or thai counterparts.

As for the black guys comment I don't think its the size of the dick that is the decisive factor. Many girls are ignorant and racist and I think that is probably the bigger problem then size. One of my wingman is Malay Indian and he has never had problem on the 20+ trips we have been together. Not only he is black but he is indian too but he knows how to talk to them, and he knows how to get them excited very quick. I am yet to see him being turned down. I think what often doesn't work in favor of black guys is that they too sometimes hit the bars with the wrong attitude. They fail to realize that this is not a place where they are viewed as a very desired commodity and instead of maybe toning down their game they play it as they would in other places. Personally I would do the same, no fucking way I would change for an AC working girl but I would accept the consequences too as I have seen so many of the more experienced guys do. If she doesn't want to make money then fuck her move on to the next one, keep in mind this is their choice. Newbies that don't understand how the place works often get frustrated and they display it and girls can quickly pick up on their vibe. Few months ago I meet a black american dude at the ABC that was on his cheery trip to AC and was hell bent on not paying. He was so sure that he will pick up in the discos latter once bars closed and many working girls go there for a drink. Next morning we had a drink at the pool bar and he told me that he did eventually pick up but the girl in the morning asked him for 2000 peso and because he saved on the barfine and ladies drinks all night he gave her the money. Few days latter I saw him in Genasis with a girl in tow. I guess he learned.

Just concluded a 3D2N quick trip to AC, only my 4th or 5th visit there since 2006. Pleased to see that the novelty of the place hasn't worn off for me.

Me: Late-30s Singaporean, expatriate in HCMC, Vietnam. Not-so-secret Philippines and Indonesia cheongster, usually preferring Manila and Jakarta respectively, having made multiple visits every year to both in the last 6 years.

Don't have much to report on, nor would like to repeat information that has already been mentioned on this thread.

Except:

Beware of [b]Runner[b] And [/b]Thief[/b] Named 'Yumi' from Dollhouse Bar.

Real name on Entertainer ID - read it but unfortunately can't recall. Claimed to be 23 and from Manila. Spinner, small saggy tits which you won't see under her bikini. PHP 3000 BF category. Showed me a picture of a baby son, fathered by a Korean customer from the Puerto Galera / Sabang gogo bars on a ONS where she claimed to have worked in the past. Son is being taken care of by her mother in Manila. Also claimed to have done one tour in KL but was refused entry and turned back on her second visit. Claimed to have permanent travel ban to Malaysia stamped in passport. Subsequently came to work in AC.

Promised to stay LT during interview and was convincing enough even to a cynical old guy like me. Back in room however, put on her clothes after 1st shot. Also stole candy from hotel room (Royal Amsterdam has a tray of candy and toiletries for sale, placed on top of fridge) amounting to around PHP 400. Money is not the issue but a matter of principle. Taking without asking in this case is tantamount to theft. I did not find out until check out, so it was a not-so-nice parting gift for me from AC.

Had a total of 3 BFs brought to room over the 2 nights' short stay. The remaining two: one was already falling down drunk when BF'd and did not carry a handbag, the other was known to one in our group - a senior member on another forum, and his friend. Therefore, the one I describe above is the likely candidate.

Moral of the story / lessons learnt = 1. Interview or not, all BFs continue to be a gamble with regards to her being a runner or not. Therefore, why bother with the interview? 2. If staying in a hotel with an in-room tray of goodies for sale, remember to remove and stow away out of sight.

For those of you carrying USD, on 13/1 at NAIA Terminal 3 (MNL) , rate was 1 USD = PHP 43.20. At Robinsons Mall in Malate on the same day, at the popular money exchange (green signboard) near the supermarket. 1 USD = PHP 43.70.

Question for you gentlemen: Has anyone had any luck negotiating with taxi drivers waiting at MNL NAIA Terminal 3 (departure level) in the wee hours of the morning to drive you to AC? If so, what was the accepted fare?

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Raverboy; 1237966]Question for you gentlemen: Has anyone had any luck negotiating with taxi drivers waiting at MNL NAIA Terminal 3 (departure level) in the wee hours of the morning to drive you to AC? If so, what was the accepted fare?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]2 out of 5 attempts, price 2500 peso + tools, last time in June last year. The other 3 attempts I had to take a drive to Makati Palace then use their car, they don't care too much if you stay or not in the hotel, just say you have done this before and that you are booked on the way back from AC. Price was 2500 peso all inclusive using the Makati palce car but last time I have done this would have been more then a year ago so prices may have increased.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1237990]2 out of 5 attempts, price 2500 peso + tools, last time in June last year. The other 3 attempts I had to take a drive to Makati Palace then use their car, they don't care too much if you stay or not in the hotel, just say you have done this before and that you are booked on the way back from AC. Price was 2500 peso all inclusive using the Makati palce car but last time I have done this would have been more then a year ago so prices may have increased.[/QUOTE]

I hope you meant 'tolls'. ;)

That's not that great considering RAH's price for car and driver one way to NAIA, including tolls, was PHP 2600, 2 nights ago.

[QUOTE=Raverboy;1237966]Moral of the story / lessons learnt = 1. Interview or not, all BFs continue to be a gamble with regards to her being a runner or not. Therefore, why bother with the interview? 2. If staying in a hotel with an in-room tray of goodies for sale, remember to remove and stow away out of sight.[/QUOTE]First off, I never leave the stuff out that the hotel leaves out for sale. I put the snacks along with toiletries if they so offer in a drawer.

Does the interview matter? I think it all depends on how you look at it. Doing the interview probably cuts out on some potential runners. Will it cut out all? Obviously not. Women can be good actresses. I think it also depends on the person giving the interview on picking out little nuances that may hint she may not fulfill the agreement. Personally for me, I have been pretty lucky for last couple of years. Maybe it's experience and a good instinct, I don't know. The other thing you have to remember is that you're not dealing with the most mature people so it's kind of hard to hold them up to a standard. So even if you got lied to in one interview, to me doesn't mean you should stop letting your expectations known with any future dates. It's got to help some.

[QUOTE=Raverboy; 1237966]Just concluded a 3D2N quick trip to AC, only my 4th or 5th visit there since 2006. Pleased to see that the novelty of the place hasn't worn off for me.

Me: Late-30s Singaporean, expatriate in HCMC, Vietnam. Not-so-secret Philippines and Indonesia cheongster, usually preferring Manila and Jakarta respectively, having made multiple visits every year to both in the last 6 years.

Don't have much to report on, nor would like to repeat information that has already been mentioned on this thread.

Except:

Beware of [b]Runner[b] And [/b]Thief[/b] Named 'Yumi' from Dollhouse Bar.

Real name on Entertainer I'd. Read it but unfortunately can't recall. Claimed to be 23 and from Manila. Spinner, small saggy tits which you won't see under her bikini. PHP 3000 BF category. Showed me a picture of a baby son, fathered by a Korean customer from the Puerto Galera / Sabang gogo bars on a ONS where she claimed to have worked in the past. Son is being taken care of by her mother in Manila. Also claimed to have done one tour in KL but was refused entry and turned back on her second visit. Claimed to have permanent travel ban to Malaysia stamped in passport. Subsequently came to work in AC.

Promised to stay LT during interview and was convincing enough even to a cynical old guy like me. Back in room however, put on her clothes after 1st shot. Also stole candy from hotel room (Royal Amsterdam has a tray of candy and toiletries for sale, placed on top of fridge) amounting to around PHP 400. Money is not the issue but a matter of principle. Taking without asking in this case is tantamount to theft. I did not find out until check out, so it was a not-so-nice parting gift for me from AC.

Had a total of 3 BFs brought to room over the 2 nights' short stay. The remaining two: one was already falling down drunk when BF'd and did not carry a handbag, the other was known to one in our group. A senior member on another forum, and his friend. Therefore, the one I describe above is the likely candidate.

Moral of the story / lessons learnt = 1. Interview or not, all BFs continue to be a gamble with regards to her being a runner or not. Therefore, why bother with the interview? 2. If staying in a hotel with an in-room tray of goodies for sale, remember to remove and stow away out of sight.

For those of you carrying USD, on 13/1 at NAIA Terminal 3 (MNL) , rate was 1 USD = PHP 43. 20. At Robinsons Mall in Malate on the same day, at the popular money exchange (green signboard) near the supermarket. 1 USD = PHP 43. 70.

Question for you gentlemen: Has anyone had any luck negotiating with taxi drivers waiting at MNL NAIA Terminal 3 (departure level) in the wee hours of the morning to drive you to AC? If so, what was the accepted fare?

Cheers.[/QUOTE]1) When I check in at hotels in AC and there are 'goodies' in the room (chips, toothpaste, condoms etc etc) , just ask the bell boy to remove them all. Do not hesitate, they are used to this request.

2) On arrival at NAIA, use the yellow colored taxi rank. Fixed fees. Maybe a bit above the Filipino rate, but you get a fair price, do not get robbed and the car is clean and well kept.

3) To minimize 'runners', check if the girl has a baby in AC. If she does, she will probably have a babysitter back at a house and will try and get away after the first shot to payoff the babysitter.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston; 1238223]1) When I check in at hotels in AC and there are 'goodies' in the room (chips, toothpaste, condoms etc etc) , just ask the bell boy to remove them all. Do not hesitate, they are used to this request.

2) On arrival at NAIA, use the yellow colored taxi rank. Fixed fees. Maybe a bit above the Filipino rate, but you get a fair price, do not get robbed and the car is clean and well kept.

3) To minimize 'runners', check if the girl has a baby in AC. If she does, she will probably have a babysitter back at a house and will try and get away after the first shot to payoff the babysitter.[/QUOTE]1. Noted.

2. [url]http://www.passengertales.com/new/2008/09/20/yellow-metered-airport-taxis-in-naia/[/url]

3. Noted.

[QUOTE=Raverboy; 1238131]I hope you meant 'tolls'. .

That's not that great considering RAH's price for car and driver one way to NAIA, including tolls, was PHP 2600, 2 nights ago.[/QUOTE]Raverboy,

I know its not great but we are talking 5am, after the cebu pacific flight from Bangkok. At that time you won't have many willing drivers to take you to AC considering its shift change time and they know you will struggle to find another cab. Bottom line is like many other things in phils at different times of the day / week you get a different price. By the way they usually start negotiating at 3500 peso. Granted I am younger white guy they probably have me pegged for a newbie that doesn't know prices, you being asian will probably get a different response but I doubt it it will be much cheaper then that. I guess if you have the time to prearrange pick up the its probably way to go if your flight arrives at odd hours.

As for the 2600 peso TO naia, you need to remember that things are cheaper in AC then Manila. This includes the fares too, you could get away with around the 2000-2200 peso mark, just ask around where the trikes gather at the ATM exit in SM. I have done this few times in the past.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston; 1238223]1) When I check in at hotels in AC and there are 'goodies' in the room (chips, toothpaste, condoms etc etc) , just ask the bell boy to remove them all. Do not hesitate, they are used to this request.

3) To minimize 'runners', check if the girl has a baby in AC. If she does, she will probably have a babysitter back at a house and will try and get away after the first shot to payoff the babysitter.[/QUOTE]Last time I was at Central Park, they told me they were not allowed to remove the goodies. I asked at the front desk, and the girl there confirmed the goodies had to stay in the room.

The runner. Try this (I know, paranoia, but it seems to have worked). Re-mention the important things in your interview with the mama or oldest waitress after the girl has dressed in street clothes just before you leave. Just takes a moment: 'She's agreed to stay until 10am. ' As the girl comes out from the dressing area and we are leaving, I call the mama or waitress over and run thru my list. Don't be afraid to run thru the entire list, the mama's have heard it all. 'She agreed to ass fuck, cell phone in the safe, lick another girl's pussy and stay till 10am. ' Once, the girl suddenly had a change of heart when I mentioned 10am in front of the waitress (she had agreed to it while chatting her up). That led to an argument between the girl and the waitress. The girl walked away into the dressing room. The waitress said the girl at first claimed she did not say she would stay until 10, then admitted she did say it to me, and she in fact had to get home to her son in the morning (after telling me in chat that she had no children). The fat older mama had come over and was listening in. I had already paid the tab. They asked if I would like to sit and choose another girl. I said no thanks, just bring me my EWR back. Boy, that caused consternation. Another waitress came over and the 3 of them had a worried conversation, and finally they brought my money back to me and I walked.

Thanks guys for the various responses.

Mc Don: Looks like I might as well just get a MNL airport pickup from the hotel in AC, rather than negotiating with the taxi mafia, at NAIA in the wee hours just to save a few hundred pesos. I usually travel with a wingman, so the PHP 2600 shared is really no big deal.

WCoast: Your suggestion well taken and logical, since we tip or buy LDs to mamasans, managers or waitresses. So they should certainly work for their tip.

Judging from the various responses, seems to me as I said, all BFs continue to be a gamble in AC, especially at the night bars. Perhaps less so at the day bars, which close around 11 pm.

It can't be that hard to put the goodies in your suitcase or in the safe in the room. Before you bring someone back just get them out of sight and things should be fine. If they want to get into the refrigerator tell them no, or put the items in the closet on the floor. Warm beer and other things won't turn them on. If you have had time before go to the store and by some things for the fridge. Offering those keeps them away from the higher priced supplied item.

Another idea is to get them so drunk they can't walk. That wll keep them out of the goodies too.