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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2161654]If the question is "if one provides an accurate description of services received in the club on an internet chat board, would that lead to bad outcomes for all mongers in future due to the law change?, then recent attendance provides extremely minimal to zero additional insight.[/QUOTE]On the other hand not having been to Germany for a year doesn't really help to have a clear picture about the situation and what's going on.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2161678]I value recent reports above all else (which is why I try to do Field Reports whenever I can) and not general opinions unrelated to Field Reports.
As JNPR30 says, even a mass of individual Field Reports proves nothing. At most they will indicate trends (causation is another matter)..[/QUOTE]You are right. I have been 25 days in FKK clubs in the first 3 months of 2018 visiting 27 times just 3 clubs (with one of those 3 clubs just once). There is no point writing a mass of individual field reports as few are interested as you say. The general discussion like now generates more posts and interest than field reports.
Anyway I will keep visiting and enjoying my bucks spent on the girls. I will continue to tip and over pay and hang out with the he girls with couch time.
Never got a CBJ once or any indication that CBJ was even in offer. Maybe others have better luck with getting CBJ?
There is a girl even kicked out for insisting on CBJ in one club. Regular House Guests complained to Reception. What is that all about?
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Field reports might be interesting to people not familiar with the club (s). So at a new club it may be interesting. Personally I am not very interested in the usual report where people care about time and what happens in a story mode fashion. Going straight to the information is much better.
[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2161351]I'd be surprised if you knowingly know any actual lesbians. You are so far off the mark here.
(1) Most lesbians are not man haters.
(2) Most lesbians will not "gravitate" towards men that have money. (By gravitate you seem to mean openness towards having sex.)
(3) Lesbians make less money than men for the same reason heterosexual women make less money than men. Sexism.[/QUOTE]I still find it hilarious that you are still posting here considering not only being a PC snowflake, but also how you claimed that some members didn't want to post / mention regarding BBBJ during the time it was still included in the basic package.
It really makes you look like a troll.
Regarding point 1 and 3, you are not only wrong, but you also have absolutely no evidence to strengthen your claims.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2161377]With Sauna Clubs being successful in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and a couple in The Netherlands, why is this concept not employed more frequently or on larger scales in other countries where prostitution is legalized or openly tolerated?[/QUOTE]Regulations prevent it. No mechanism for giving a license or planning permission.
For example, if the law says that only one girl can work alone in an apartment, then, that sort of kills the concept of heaps of women working together.
Try also Spain where there are some mega clubs there.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2161654]Looking to others for support is betraying a lack of conviction. It is tough to be standing alone. Being in a herd gives comfort. "See, these other people agree with me".
Pulling rank referred to the "I was in the club more and you were not" line.
If the question was "how is the LU this week" or "is the service level at Sharks better than Oase in the last month", recent frequency has merit.
If the question is "if one provides an accurate description of services received in the club on an internet chat board, would that lead to bad outcomes for all mongers in future due to the law change?, then recent attendance provides extremely minimal to zero additional insight.
There have been tens of millions of sessions throughout the country in the 270 odd days since the law changed. Any individual experience sample, no matter how large from a personal point of view, is a small drop in the sea.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Optimist;2161678] As JNPR30 says, even a mass of individual Field Reports proves nothing. At most they will indicate trends (causation is another matter).
As for the effect of the July law, nothing can be proven, except that certain services are harder to find (fewer known providers, less advertising, less discussion)..[/QUOTE]Plus one. What Jnpr30 writes makes a lot of logical sense than the psychobabble that has been spouted before.
By the way, this notion of "alpha males" in humans is at best a metaphor, and apparently for some a misleading metaphor at that.
Among animals with less complex social structures and simpler modes of communication there are indeed alpha and beta males. And even in these highly hierarchical animal societies the beta males have strategies for subverting the alpha males.
Humans are far too complex for labels like "alpha males" to have any scientific significance, and science overrules pseudo-scientific mythology every time. We have more choices than deciding between whether we want to be like bonobos or chimpanzees. We don't have to be cartoonishly macho or submissive. We certainly don't have to accept stereotypes some would foist upon us as inevitable. We are human and we can each choose from thousands of options as to what kind of human we each want to be.
If we strip the "sauna" (just that steam room and the sauna part) from the "sauna club", there *must* be clubs in other countries, e. G. Spain, Brazil, etc. BUT I am not sure they are anyhting like GT, Sharks, or World, or Globe. As I will be in Brazil, India, Japan, Mexico and other places, I would be very eager to learn about them. Extracting this information from the corresponding threads at ISG seems a daunting task.
[QUOTE=MrHo;2161613]I thought the same, but I guess due to societal oppositions in general even though it is legal.
Well I hope and I like to think there will be clubs like german FKK opening up in some other legal territory for prostitution in other part of europe or eastern europe.
I must say though. It takes a lot of organization at all levels to open club like German FKK which function, so it will be difficult.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2161824]Humans are far too complex for labels like "alpha males" to have any scientific significance, and science overrules pseudo-scientific mythology every time.[/QUOTE]Although the term "alpha male" may be rooted in science, these terms were popularized on Internet message boards, as Kaveman wrote. The manosphere is comprised mostly of Americans probably under the age of 40. If one wanted to paint these message boards in the most positive light, they could be described as a self-help web sites, whereby beta males can transform themselves into alpha males. At worst, it is viewed as a group of sexually frustrated, insecure men who want to blame their miserable lives on a common enemy: the greedy, manipulative, power-hungry Western feminist.
To be clear, I only researched what "red pill" or "blue pill" was when ISG members wrote about it, so others may feel free to fill in the blanks. Outsiders would view it as a cult. People from within would characterize it as a movement with the mission to proselytize anyone who has been brainwashed by the feminist agenda.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2161840]If we strip the "sauna" (just that steam room and the sauna part) from the "sauna club", there *must* be clubs in other countries, e. G. Spain, Brazil, etc. BUT I am not sure they are anyhting like GT, Sharks, or World, or Globe. As I will be in Brazil, India, Japan, Mexico and other places, I would be very eager to learn about them. Extracting this information from the corresponding threads at ISG seems a daunting task.[/QUOTE]Brazil apparently there is therma that is similar set up to FKK and it functioning well. Other places like philippine, thailand too if you like asian women. Spain. Bar style right?
But look, no where like German FKK or Zurich or Austria or some Netherlander FKK, I mean these places offer girls that we go wow sometimes, and that is rare in brothel and beside some up sell, these places are functioning well to mongers dream. I can see Holland in future could brush up on their brothel a bit and become more like German FKK style nation. Yeah Netherlands can be next Germany if they get it organized, I mean look at YY, some already exist though I still have to go to YY.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2161862]To be clear, I only researched what "red pill" or "blue pill" was when ISG members wrote about it, so others may feel free to fill in the blanks. Outsiders would view it as a cult. People from within would characterize it as a movement with the mission to proselytize anyone who has been brainwashed by the feminist agenda.[/QUOTE]Or in the days of tailor made news through portals like Facebook, we call it red feed, blue feed.
[URL]http://graphics.wsj.com/blue-feed-red-feed/[/URL]
I am not sure I agree with the first part of your post however. It seems too polarized. Many people today discuss in message boards to kill time, or just as a medium to chat through instead of at the local bar or club. And anything goes. We can all be philosophers once in a while.
[QUOTE=MrHo;2161898] Yeah Netherlands can be next Germany if they get it organized, I mean look at YY, some already exist though I still have to go to YY.[/QUOTE]Little hope of that if you look where the trend is going. Holland is more like the former Germany than the future one. Its heydays are in the past. When I was a teenager I remember you could spot the porn theaters in the Netherlands from far. They were all over the place and had a big letter 16 outside. This was the age at which you could get in. Sex shops windows were full of small ads for swinging and escorts, you could jot down the phone numbers while walking past. The Amsterdam RLD was the mother of all RLDs. You could buy various brands of pot and magic mushrooms in shops. Sex education documentaries on Dutch television showed how to properly finger a woman. I stiil remember the line "En dat is lekker" ("and that feels good") spoken just after you'd seen fingers working at female genitals. On public television folks! In a school documentary!
Such debauchery on a public media infuriated roman catholic Belgium next door. There were protests at government level. The Netherlands, or rather Holland as we called it, was a synonym for Sodom, Gomorrha and Roman orgies.
I'd been sent to stay in The Hague with a Dutch family to learn the language. I came home with my head buzzing.
It was obviously a Society that believed sex in virtually any form could do no harm to any one.
How things change.
-The alpha male phrase is just as feminism a phrase many people hijack and misuse for their own purposes. The original meaning came from the animal kingdom with alpha male wolves. And has later moved on to encompassing other types of animals too, like gorillas etc. And the usual way to determine an alpha male is by fighting. The strongest male in the pack is the current leader. The alpha male. So the only real use of the word should be that of physical character. The physical leader is thus the alpha male.
About being neighter chimp or bonobo: well, in terms of sexual instincts, humans still act mainly like chimps. And I believe the reason we are having a very hard time becoming independent and neighter a chimp nor a bonobo is that we don't look far enough back. We don't lift our heads high enough. So society is stuck healing the sickness with dangerous medicines instead of removing the cause of the sickness. We live in a reactive society instead of a proactive one. And that is the main problem with our world in the 21st century. Politics must change.
Say, there have been ten million sessions in the 9 months since July 1. Even a prolific attendee would have partaken a couple of thousand sessions at most in that timeframe. Perhaps he knows well a few others guys firsthand. Drawing conclusions about the whole entire population from one's individual experiences is not hypothesis, or scientific method. It is just a poor and not enough random sample, and a worse statistical inference.
Now what are we talking here? As Optimist said, not about past and current trends but causations in future. Think back to pre July 1. We were already debating what would happen, come the day of Armageddon. Neuro took the stance that the law was not implementable, and nothing much would happen. I took a more narrow stance and said what we write here has negligible or no impact on what happens in the real world. My good friend and ISG HVC (high value contributor Bitumen generally agreed with us both. That's it, just 3 lone posters. We could not take comfort in a lot of members agreeing with us, which some alpha male aficionados might appreciate.
The goal posts kept moving the time field and kept getting wider. First it was July 1. Then, "let's give it a few weeks and months". Then it was Dec 31. Then it was Feb 28. And so on and on. And the definition of bad outcomes kept changing too. First, there was debate whether the fine would indeed be 50 grand, and others said the fine scales linearly with one's income, so don't be truthful about your salary. Some said passports would be confiscated. Some said girls might blackmail men? What if lady cops were sent to brothels to trap mongers? Would cops break down doors and barge in? (Side discussion: how about we take a door jammer every time we go to room and is Amazon shipping door jammers? Then there was some sort of offline-online combo effort undertaken by cops to read ISG posts, figure out the exact girls transgressing and doing something?? With that info at the club, not exactly sure what. Girls will be kicked out. Clubs shut down. A few more exotic theories were also presented but I am blanking out at the moment.
9 months later, we read Bitumen's comment that it is hard to find CBJ based on his numerous visits. Perhaps some guys are paying more, and some girls are ripping off, but if so nothing new. Girls' scamming index has been in the rise for years.
Perhaps it would help if you could define exactly what is the bad outcome you expect to happen, a rough timeline for this outcome, and what reports here will lead to that outcome. Perhaps after we manage to define who is a feminist and who is a beta male 🙂🙂