Tokyo

I agree with Rick Rock. With all the tools that we have now, you can basically already know the way from the station to a shop before arriving at the station. I mean, imagine what it was like before the internet. Out of the world for any gaijin who doesn't have a Japanese friend already knowing some places.

Nowadays, you can:

- check the home page of almost every shop,

- get the address and even a map,

- know what to expect thanks to forum like this one,

- find your itinenary with Google Maps.

- and virtually walk it without leaving your computer with Street View.

The thing I don't understand is why with so many options out there (even for a gaijin) , one would rely on a tout in the street that comes from nowhere. Going to a (well established) shop is so much safer. For example, when you think about it, when you go to a hotel health, you pay at the shop's desk and they send you to a hotel with nothing else than their guarantee that they will send you a girl. But if something happens (never heard any case) , you can go back to the shop and complain whereas if something goes wrong after being sent to a hotel by some random guy in the street, what can you do?

Had a little walk around the north exit last week-end and I confirm that you can see some real hotties in the area. I even found the Cutie Bomb / Pururungang building just by witnessing several hugely breasted girls walking in the same entrance ("3PM shift just arrived" I thought!). Definitely want to try Pururungang when I have the opportunity.

Little after, a tout standing near Marin with 2 really cute schoolgirls tried to wave me in. I asked him what kind of service it was but didn't understand his answer. First he told me it was a massage place, then it was only talking with the girls. Maybe he just say "massage" as to refer to adult kind of services and then really explains it. It was 5000 yens for 30 minutes but I wasn't going to pay just to talk to girls, however cute they were. If someone know the name of the shop (right next to Marin) and what it's all about, please kindly advise. 10 meters further, after the corner, another tout with a cute schoolgirl too was waving me in too. So from my experience, gaijins can have some action in Ikebukuro.

As I stated previously, I intended to find a good pink salon in Otsuka which has young girls and services foreigners. Unfortunately, it seems like only places with fat / old / ugly ladies accept foreigners in this area. It's such a shame as I found shops that have really cute young Japanese girls but all of them told me over the phone that they don't accept gaijins. Maybe the result would be different by just showing up at the shop but I don't have the time and courage to to this (I like to have everything perfectly planed in advance).

For those who want to try and see, here's the page I used for my research:

[url]http://pinsaro.livedoor.biz/archives/6312814.html[/url]

I was particularly interested in Cuel and Cats. If someone has a good shop to recommend I'm all ears as I am tired of Hinomaru (although I still have to try Ayaka but everytime I go she is busy).

A few weeks ago, I decided I needed a good massage after work so I headed to Okachimachi to try Tomato (thanks to the good reports). As I arrived, the tencho told me there was a 40 minutes wait. I wasn't prepare to wait that much so I said I would come back another day and started to go down the stairs. But the tencho told me I could go to Himawari on the 4th floor. Told him that I already went there and that I was really hoping for a good massage with only HE and not for FS. But he convinced me (not to difficult!) saying there was a cute new girl.

So I went upstairs, paid the 10 000 yens for 50 minutes and got Yuka (seems like she's the one that take care of gaijins most of the time). She's a cute young Korean girl with nice boobs and she seens to be really into me but I would say she was quite inexperienced overall. Anyway, still had a good time and to get FS with a young and cute Korean girl for that price, Himawari is the place to beat for me. Still want to try Tomato though.

[QUOTE=Meiji;1360176]It makes perfect sense to me[/QUOTE]And me. Kabukicho is physically dangerous, full of people trying to rip you off and the cops are all corrupt.

Several pages back there is a story identical to Roy2920's, touts making promises and getting handed off between multiple people. He is lucky he didn't go into that "European girls' hostess bar" as he would likely have been drugged then extorted of $5000 or whatever they could get on his credit card.

Yeah, you can do your homework here but even then you can get ripped off. A guy going directly to Happy Berry was picked up a tout.

My first mongering in Japan was there and I had a great time with a hot girl and I still go there; but anyone who understates the dangers is doing a disservice to others.

[quote]Kabukicho is physically dangerous[/quote]I'm sorry but I find this absolutely hilarious, this time and the last time I heard it from a girl from Saitamo. Maybe it's because I grew up in a major East Coast US city, but there is absolutely nothing physically dangerous about any place in Japan. The crime rate is so much lower than those of most major cities it's like they exist in different world.

From a quick search:

"Japan experienced 1. 3 robberies per 100, 000 population, compared with 48. 6 for Germany. 65. 8 for United Kingdom, and 233. 0 for the United States; and it experienced 1. 1 murder per 100, 000 population, compared with 3. 9 for Germany. 1.03 for England and Wales, and 8. 7 for the United States that same year."

I have never once for even a millisecond felt unsafe anywhere in Japan. It's probably the safest place I've ever been in the world outside of some old peasant farms in Western Europe.

I mean who is going to do you in? Those effeminate host bar guys who stand around in the streets? Unless you get duped into entering one of those jacked up bill shops. I've never even been approached for one. Hustler's tend to prey on those they think they can get over on.

Really, keep your wits about you and don't be a drunken asshole and you should have no problem. I've never even had a hint of one. Judging by the tens of thousands of people who walk through there each night, including a good helping of drunken Japanese businessmen and obvious know-nothing tourists, I think that's the norm.

If you think Kabukicho is dangerous I'd hate to see how you'd react to some of the other places people monger like Phnom Penh, San Salvador, Santo Domingo or Nairobi.

Anyway, the point is, Shinjuku isn't a bad place for mongering. It has a fairly big concentration of gaijin-friendly places of which most have been reported on this board. Do a little research and enjoy.

[QUOTE=Floyd JP; 1360353]As I stated previously, I intended to find a good pink salon in Otsuka which has young girls and services foreigners. Unfortunately, it seems like only places with fat / old / ugly ladies accept foreigners in this area. It's such a shame as I found shops that have really cute young Japanese girls but all of them told me over the phone that they don't accept gaijins. Maybe the result would be different by just showing up at the shop but I don't have the time and courage to to this (I like to have everything perfectly planed in advance).

For those who want to try and see, here's the page I used for my research:

[url]http://pinsaro.livedoor.biz/archives/6312814.html[/url]

I was particularly interested in Cuel and Cats. If someone has a good shop to recommend I'm all ears as I am tired of Hinomaru (although I still have to try Ayaka but everytime I go she is busy).[/QUOTE]Strawberry Club (2000 yen for 2 girl rotation) and the place next to it are the only two I've had any success with. Of course the girls range from decent to horrible in looks.

I wanted to try Cats too. After I brought it up on the forum a few months ago, someone said they tried to enter but got turned away. I tried anyway. Walked in and gave a "Gaikokojin demo daijobu desu ka?" and got a quick "Sumimasen" reply. Combined with the other report and yours, I think it's safe to say this is a no go. After I got drip dick from Strawberry, I stopped exploring.

Someone on another board did report one more place they found in Otsuka but I can't find the post now for the life of me. Sorry.

With the boom going on I would have hoped for more: [url]http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2011/02/03/recession-propelling-impecunious-punters-to-otsukas-pink-parlors/[/url]

Two weeks ago, I went to Happy Berry after reading reports. Chose Risu; got BBBJ and one week later I find I have a form of nongonococcal urethritis, which is basically similar to the clap. Got a dose of antibiotics and am hoping it clears up soon. So be careful guys; I've been mongering for years and have always considered a BBBJ pretty safe, but one always takes a risk. It's condoms for everything for me from now on. And stay away from Risu.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1360431]I'm sorry but I find this absolutely hilarious, this time and the last time I heard it from a girl from Saitamo. Maybe it's because I grew up in a major East Coast US city, but there is absolutely nothing physically dangerous about any place in Japan. The crime rate is so much lower than those of most major cities it's like they exist in different world.

From a quick search:

"Japan experienced 1. 3 robberies per 100, 000 population, compared with 48. 6 for Germany. 65. 8 for United Kingdom, and 233. 0 for the United States; and it experienced 1. 1 murder per 100, 000 population, compared with 3. 9 for Germany. 1.03 for England and Wales, and 8. 7 for the United States that same year."

I have never once for even a millisecond felt unsafe anywhere in Japan. It's probably the safest place I've ever been in the world outside of some old peasant farms in Western Europe.

I mean who is going to do you in? Those effeminate host bar guys who stand around in the streets? Unless you get duped into entering one of those jacked up bill shops. I've never even been approached for one. Hustler's tend to prey on those they think they can get over on.

Really, keep your wits about you and don't be a drunken asshole and you should have no problem. I've never even had a hint of one. Judging by the tens of thousands of people who walk through there each night, including a good helping of drunken Japanese businessmen and obvious know-nothing tourists, I think that's the norm.

If you think Kabukicho is dangerous I'd hate to see how you'd react to some of the other places people monger like Phnom Penh, San Salvador, Santo Domingo or Nairobi.

Anyway, the point is, Shinjuku isn't a bad place for mongering. It has a fairly big concentration of gaijin-friendly places of which most have been reported on this board. Do a little research and enjoy.[/QUOTE]I'll like to add my 2 cents to this debate.

I tend to sit in the middle of the 2 sides of the argument.

When I first went to Japan, about 20 years ago, like you RR, for about a week every year on business, I was absolutely taken by the extent of what the sex industry had to offer. But there was no internet at the time, and my Japnaese was below zero. I used to wander in Kabuchiko, but hardly managed to get into any gaijin friendly shop. Quite by chance, a Japanese tout took me to Hinomaru. My first pink salon, I did not even know it existed. Heaven for a newbie. Then internet started, but not much helpful at the time. I got more often politely denied entry than not. I only managed once an oppai club, Hinomaru, and the massage places like Asian relax. And the strip clubs like TS music and DX, which are nice place to hang aroung and recharge the batteries if required. In the good old days, you could have a lot of fun in DX, with a lot of weird live shows, and intensive audience participation. All gone now, sadly, just for your eyes now.

And I must add that I never felt threatened, except perhaps by some insisting, limit threatening, Nigerian touts. Otherwise, yes, if you behave, Japan is the safest place on earth.

Now that I have visited Tokyo probably more than 50 times, that I speak basic Japanese, and do my homework on Internbet, I find that the best places for getting laid, are not in Shinjuku. I still like occasionnally walk by Kabuchiko, it's fun, but I rarely partake there.

Now, RR, here is the test: I'll love to be wrong, so can you tell us more about the 10-12 gaijin friendly places, list them briefly and let us know what the service is?

Cheers.

PS: I have read your discusions on the BKK thread. I also personnally do not share the enthusiasm that most have on BKK, but I still make a point to stop by there on my way to. Tokyo. 2 days in BKK. 4-5 good fucks for a total cost of less than 300 US is unbeatable. But I get bored after 2 days, while in Tokyo, you never get bored.

[QUOTE=Japanguy;1360397]And me. Kabukicho is physically dangerous, full of people trying to rip you off and the cops are all corrupt.[/QUOTE]That wasn't the point I was trying to make, either. My point is more that for many people the Japanese language, culture, and geography is difficult and confusing to the point where hobbying isn't easy for people coming to Japan for the first time, even for people that do a little research.

People need to realize that while Japan is very safe, that doesn't mean that every person you meet is trustworthy. There are extremely safe places in America, too, but I wouldn't hand hundreds of dollars over to ANYONE in ANY service industry without checking online reviews on them first. I hate to add insult to injury, but guys that go out and get drunk and literally get led down a blind alley and hand over large sums of money to a perfect stranger on the hopes that they are going to get some action have no one to blame but themselves.

As for the cops, it's not that they are corrupt. It's that frankly most of them don't give a shit for what goes on beyond the 'offical' red light areas. I've said for a while that Japanese law isn't based on justice, its based on harmony. The people that play by the rules (legal and social) get protected by the police, and they pretty much don't care about everyone else. The nice thing about being a foreigner is they don't really expect you to play by the rules, but this is the downside. If you are screwed over by someone in a back alley promising you a hot piece of ass, the police are going to say 'well, what were you doing in an illegal establishment? '

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1360431]I'm sorry but I find this absolutely hilarious, this time and the last time I heard it from a girl from Saitamo. Maybe it's because I grew up in a major East Coast US city, but there is absolutely nothing physically dangerous about any place in Japan. The crime rate is so much lower than those of most major cities it's like they exist in different world.[/QUOTE]I don't live in Tokyo but I visit about once a year and I have to agree with this. I used to live in New York and now live in Los Angeles and Kabukicho is a walk in the park compared to some areas in those cities. I usually stay in Shinjuku and walk around Kabukicho a few times while I'm there. For the most part, no one even looks twice at me other than the Africans who try to lure me into their crappy clubs. About six years ago, I followed one of them into his club and, yeah, I got ripped off to the tune of about 30, 000 yen but that was my own stupidity and not knowing what I was getting into. No one drugged me or stole anything from me. I was just persuaded by a pretty girl stroking my ego (and my crotch) to keep buying overpriced drinks.

On subsequent trips, I usually avoid those guys but occasionally I chat them up and they tell me how lousy business is with foreigners relocating out of Japan. I tell them up front I'm not going into their bars and that I know how the bait and switch system works (I. E, low nomi hodai price for me + expensive watered down drinks for the girls = bulging end of night tab).

I stopped by Hinomaru last weekend in Kabukicho. First time there but not first time in a pink salon. Everyone very welcoming. The girl I chose looked nothing like her photo and she had absolutely no energy or skills. 4000 for 20 minutes or 6000 for 30 minutes.

[quote]now, rr, here is the test: i'll love to be wrong, so can you tell us more about the 10-12 gaijin friendly places, list them briefly and let us know what the service is?[/quote]1. hinamaru. pink salon.

2. new hot point. peep show w / hand job or blowjob after.

3. asian feeling. massage with happy ending.

4. asian relax. massage with happy ending.

5. happy berry. hotel health.

6. oppai / kiss pub. forget the name, about a block from hinamaru; you can find it with a search.

7. body walker princess shinjuku. another oppai / kiss pub in kabukicho.

8. chinese hand job shop. self explanatory, includes long massage, ask me if you want directions.

9. play pen. image club.

10. thong massage. hotel health, call ahead then meet the girl in shinjuku [url]http://0363804426.com/[/url]

there are certainly a few others. those are the ten i thought of quickly.

[QUOTE=Meiji; 1360505]That wasn't the point I was trying to make, either. My point is more that for many people the Japanese language, culture, and geography is difficult and confusing to the point where hobbying isn't easy for people coming to Japan for the first time, even for people that do a little research.

People need to realize that while Japan is very safe, that doesn't mean that every person you meet is trustworthy. There are extremely safe places in America, too, but I wouldn't hand hundreds of dollars over to ANYONE in ANY service industry without checking online reviews on them first. I hate to add insult to injury, but guys that go out and get drunk and literally get led down a blind alley and hand over large sums of money to a perfect stranger on the hopes that they are going to get some action have no one to blame but themselves.

As for the cops, it's not that they are corrupt. It's that frankly most of them don't give a shit for what goes on beyond the 'offical' red light areas. I've said for a while that Japanese law isn't based on justice, its based on harmony. The people that play by the rules (legal and social) get protected by the police, and they pretty much don't care about everyone else. The nice thing about being a foreigner is they don't really expect you to play by the rules, but this is the downside. If you are screwed over by someone in a back alley promising you a hot piece of ass, the police are going to say 'well, what were you doing in an illegal establishment? '[/QUOTE]A couple of months ago a good buddy of mine (a long-term, Japanese-proficient, resident of Japan) was royally ripped-off in one of the Nigerian-touted Kabukicho clubs (Disclaimer: I wasn't with him; he told me about it). It was fairly late, after last-train, around 1am or so. He was on his own in Kabukicho and got touted into one of the small clubs by a Nigerian bloke on the street. In the club, he had a few drinks and, as he said, bought 'a couple of ladydrinks' for one of the East-European (Russian?) gals working there. He said he made sure of the price of the drinks with the staff there before ordering, and was there for about an hour and a half. He paid the ¥14, 000 bill with his credit card (big mistake!). Then he hung out elsewhere until first train home in the morning.

All was well until he got his credit card statement later in the month and discovered ¥400, 000 had been charged to his credit card by the club-yes, that's right, ¥400, 000! After he finished gasping and shrieking, he called his bank to see if they would cover the 'fraudulent' bill. No dice-the bank refused to cover it, finding that he had been negligent. He argued with the bank as persuasively as he could, but they wouldn't budge! After a few more phone calls to them, they refused to talk to him any more about the issue.

I'm sure that his case is on the outer limits of kabukicho scams, but it's worth remembering that it can (and sometimes does) happen. Stay away from the Nigerian touts trying to funnel you into their club. The funnel will go up your ass to your pocket, scoop up your wallet, and deposit it straight into their cash register!

Manta Ray

The guy who runs Milky Baby speaks English. You should be able to book entirely just in English.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1360077]You have to speak pretty decent Japanese to book with Milky Baby. My low level Japanese is enough to get me through day to day life, from one end of the country to the other by train and bus, and through dozens of mongering experiences and one night stands, but it wasn't enough for me to book an appointment with Milky Baby.[/QUOTE]

I don't buy this. .

[QUOTE=Egbert Souse;1360450]Two weeks ago, I went to Happy Berry after reading reports. Chose Risu; got BBBJ and one week later I find I have a form of nongonococcal urethritis, which is basically similar to the clap. Got a dose of antibiotics and am hoping it clears up soon. So be careful guys; I've been mongering for years and have always considered a BBBJ pretty safe, but one always takes a risk. It's condoms for everything for me from now on. And stay away from Risu.[/QUOTE]