American Politics

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2738378]Taking photos of classified information (as the FBI just did) is illegal. - But remove them from the white House is not???
... A "special master" is a an objective third party like a former judge who will review the documents and the FBI and DOJ are vehemently opposed...
...This latest outrage was because the FBI does not want anyone seeing those documents.... - They will present everything to the court before Donald go to jail...[/QUOTE]- But remove them from the White House is not?

- They will present everything to the court before Donald go to jail.

[QUOTE=ErsatzJulian;2739752]All the scientific knowledge that we rely on came about this way: an experiment suggests a certain thing is true; more experiments refine our understanding or they demonstrate that our original understanding is either wrong or incomplete and we have to throw everything out and start anew. The fact that Fauci qualifies his statements with phrases like "to the best our knowledge" and "as we're finding out with study" shows that he understands the scientific method and the limits of our knowledge, and that is why he is respected.[/QUOTE]True. And it requires far more attention to nuance and critical thinking than most if not all wingers can muster.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2739697]So here's what you say you want from the experts:

Reporter: "So, Dr. , Fauci, how does this virus spread"?

Dr. Fauci: "We don't have a fucking clue. Maybe by touch, maybe somehow else. ".

Reporter: "Dr. Fauci, do masks work"?

Dr. Fauci: "We don't have a fucking clue. But it all depends on how the virus spreads and we don't know anything about that".

Reporter: "What about tRUMP's 'bright light' theory"?

Dr. Fauci: "If shoving a lightbulbs up your ass floats your boat, do it. But you might want to be careful trying to sit down".

Reporter: "What about alternative treratments. ".

Dr. Fauci: "Alternative treatments? Like massage? Like what? Who knows about alternative treatments. Maybe some work but maybe they don't. ".[/QUOTE]Yep, you nailed it. That is exactly what they want. About everything.

Think how much easier it would be for them to argue that nobody knows anything, nothing works any better than anything else, who cares about democracy, it's the same as an authoritarian dictatorship. False equivalency! Bothsiderism! Neithersiderism! Anarchy!

LOL.

[QUOTE=Canada;2739694]Past history is irrelevant. Current times show the dems failing the American people. Look at Biden and the current dems last 18 months. Current history shows dems totally inept compared to all administrations in last 40 years.

1. Crime and murders skyrocketing especially in dem run states.

2. Border security at worst level ever with millions of illegals just walking across the border.

3. Highest inflation in 40 years.

4. Natural gas prices up 400-500%.

5. Gas prices and oil prices up over 100%.

6. food prices up 26%.[/QUOTE]Correct. These are Biden's accomplishments. And when intelligent people bring these accomplishments to light the dumb people say he is doing a good job. They did a survey recently in New York asking people on the street what they thought of Biden job performance in the first 18 months of his presidency. Over 50% said they thought he was doing OK. They then asked what one thing that he did has made their life better and no one could give a positive answer. Biden policies have damaged 100% of the USA population's lifestyle. Biden is counting on democrats to continue to be dumb and be stupid enough to believe that none of his failures were his fault. He has blamed everyone for his disastrous presidency. The dumb continue to support him.

[QUOTE=ErsatzJulian;2739752]All the scientific knowledge that we rely on came about this way: an experiment suggests a certain thing is true; more experiments refine our understanding or they demonstrate that our original understanding is either wrong or incomplete and we have to throw everything out and start anew. The fact that Fauci qualifies his statements with phrases like "to the best our knowledge" and "as we're finding out with study" shows that he understands the scientific method and the limits of our knowledge, and that is why he is respected.[/QUOTE]I agree that's how science works. Try and error thru experimentation. Predicting results then testing for them repeatedly.

But none of the clowns qualified their statements when they made them. Chump, Biden, nor Fauci.

Chump didn't qualify his ridiculous claim that the vurus would be gone in X weeks, Biden didn't qualify his claim that you couldn; t catch the virus if you took the vaccine, and Fauci made countless unqualified claims. How do I know? Bcos I have watched them in uncut forms. They all make statements as if they are giving proclamations from on high.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2739887]I agree that's how science works. Try and error thru experimentation. Predicting results then testing for them repeatedly.

But none of the clowns qualified their statements when they made them. Chump, Biden, nor Fauci.

Chump didn't qualify his ridiculous claim that the vurus would be gone in X weeks, Biden didn't qualify his claim that you couldn; t catch the virus if you took the vaccine, and Fauci made countless unqualified claims. How do I know? Bcos I have watched them in uncut forms.[/QUOTE]So what would Dr. Fauci's "unqualified statements" look like? Like this?

Reporter: "So, Dr, Fauci, how does this virus spread"?

Dr. Fauci: "We don't have a fucking clue. Maybe by touch, maybe somehow else."

Reporter: "Dr. Fauci, do masks work"?

Dr. Fauci: "We don't have a fucking clue. But it all depends on how the virus spreads and we don't know anything about that".

Reporter: "What about tRUMP's 'bright light' theory"?

Dr. Fauci: "If shoving a lightbulbs up your ass floats your boat, do it. But you might want to be careful trying to sit down".

Reporter: "What about alternative treatments? "

Dr. Fauci: "Alternative treatments? Like massage? Like what? Who knows about alternative treatments. Maybe some work but maybe they don't. "

If Dr. Fauci would have said those things, you would have said something like "Expert? How can that be? He doesn't know anything. "

See, that's the problem here. If a subject-matter expert issues qualifying statements, they will soon be discounted as a subject-matter expert because of the qualifying statements. If they don't issue qualifying statements, then people will say they lied.

Sort of a no-win situation, wouldn't you say?

Otherwise, the GOP will have nothing to run on this midterm. Absolutely nothing.

[B]Fuel prices may keep falling after Labor Day, could dip below $3 in some states[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/05/gasoline-prices-are-expected-to-continue-to-fall-after-labor-day-and-some-states-could-see-below-3.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Labor Day is here and summer driving season is coming to an end, without the protracted period of super high gasoline prices some had feared.

Prices at the pump could continue their two-month decline. GasBuddy expects some states could see prices average even below $3 per gallon at some point later this year.

Analysts warn the outlook for gasoline prices could change at any point, particularly if there is a hurricane affecting the U.S. Gulf Coast or there is a spike in oil prices.[/QUOTE]Not that they had a damn thing to run on even with higher gas prices on tap.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2739697]So here's what you say you want from the experts:
Reporter: "So, Dr. , Fauci, how does this virus spread"?
Dr. Fauci: "We don't have a fucking clue. Maybe by touch, maybe somehow else. ".
[/QUOTE]He doesn't need to swear in every sentence. Just tell the truth instead of spread unproven theories as fact.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2739722]What does of gain of function mean? And we have this panel of experts who says that the NIH funding does not meet the definition of gain of function. This is what you dumb Dems do all the time. It is the famous Clinton line on what your definition of is is.
You do not listen to Jimmy Dore. In fact, some fool just waved his hand and said, "You know, Jimmy Dore is not that great of a source" as if Jimmy Dore is not quoting other things. In this case, he was referencing this headline in Vanity Fair. This was written four months after the BBC one you linked. The headline reads, In Major Shift, NIH Admits Funding Risky Virus Research in Wuhan. So you are and were completely wrong
You cannot admit Rand Paul was right about this and Fauci was lying.
I will remind you that, The Great Barrington Declaration was authored by Sunetra Gupta of the University of Oxford, Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford University, and Martin Kulldorff of Harvard University, The declaration says that lockdowns have adverse effects on physical and mental health, for example, because people postpone preventive healthcare.
And worst of all, Fauci is now lying and saying he was not in favor of lockdowns or shutting down schools.
There should be common ground in saying which scientists were right and which ones were wrong. Why can you not say even that? The only thing I can guess is because it gets in the way of the narrative that the pandemic was all Trump's fault.
[/QUOTE]Great post Elvis. It's easy to forget some of the BS that passed as news and fact over the past couple of years, bcos there was so much of it. You reminder me of some. .

All those folks in USA. You got the Opinion Plague. Everyone has an opinion, "all opinions are equally valid", no one can change it bcos everyone believes they are right.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2739733]As he said its not bothsiderism, its neithersideism.
You are just picking between the choices above.
Chuck or Mitch what's your flavor?[/QUOTE]Thank you MDS. That might be the first post you wrote that I actually understood.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2739741]So I blew up your comments for the idiocy they represent so rather than admit you are wrong you deflect to the US. So you write "Under Biden energy policy has has gone up 500% What does that even mean? He has 500% more policies? Truly outstanding information not that anyone can use it. Just before Covid the oil price was $70 - 75 for WTI. Now it is $88. That is about 22% in 3 years. Not bad after the disastrous Trump response to Covid when oil could not be given away. Given all the wells that were shut down and the refineries closed, never to reopen again during Trump and European wars Biden has done a fantastic job getting the oil price under control while achieving the greatest job figures of all time![/QUOTE]Cali Guy is about 90% correct. OPEC Oil was about $52 when Biden took office and today OPEC oil is $99. So about a 100% increase. Natural gas was about $2.50 per mcf and now it is about $9.00 per mcf. But oil was $120 a barrel. Oil prices have come down with the USA going into recession that Biden has created. Only a fool would think that a president that puts their country into a recession is doing a fantastic job. But prices will start creeping up as OPEC knows that there is a fool in office in USA. They are meeting this week and will raise prices.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2739762]See, public education in the USA has been so "dumbed down" (especially in states that voted for Donnie the Dumbass) that 74+ million voters have no clue about science or how it works. They don't understand vaccines or how they work. The have just enough brainpower to understand a 3-to-5-word slogan like "lock her up" or "make America great again" or "stop the steal". Anything more complicated is lost on them and they go through life wondering what happened.

That's why we hear so many ludicrous statements coming from the RethugliKKKan crowd which doesn't have enough IQ points to decorate a domino: "The vaccine contains microchips", "the vaccine will change your DNA", "Finland rakes their forests", "Chinese thermostats changed votes", "Jewish space lasers cause forest fires", "Italian satellites changed votes", "shoving a lightbulb up your ass will cure COVID", "injecting disinfectant cures COVID" or "tRUMP didn't actually have any classified documents". All of these statements are patently absurd, yet there are almost no RethugliKKKans who will argue against them.

When you're dealing with that kind of ignorance, you can't win. You just need to shake your head and wonder how some of these people manage to dress themselves. The scary thing is that they vote. Maybe we ought to go back to having an IQ test to get a ballot. The number of people voting RethugliKKKan would number in the single digits compared to the 81 million Democrats who'd receive a ballot.[/QUOTE]I agree. An IQ test for voters would have been great in the past election. 75,000,000 of the people that voted for Biden would not have been able to vote. It would have been the biggest landslide ever for republicans.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2739722]You do not listen to Jimmy Dore. In fact, some fool just waved his hand and said, "You know, Jimmy Dore is not that great of a source" as if Jimmy Dore is not quoting other things......[/QUOTE][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Dore[/URL]

Let's just say Jimmy Dore is a comedian and his grasp of virology, immunology and epidemiology isn't exactly astute. But of course, that doesn't matter to someone who has an equally inept understanding of science.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2739765]You are the one who has said that the vaccines are worthless. Just answer a couple of very simple questions: (1) "Who was the president when these worthless vaccines were created"? And (2) "Who paid millions of US funds to vaccine companies to develop these worthless vaccines"?

They are very simple questions. Each one requires a one word answer so your response does not require more than 3 words. But I'll bet you won't answer.[/QUOTE]Why does it matter who was president? Some president would have stood in the way of vaccine development? We the taxpayers paid for the vaccines.

Here is Fauci lying about lockdowns in his own words: [URL]https://www.onenewspage.com/video/20220825/14822388/Fauci-Caught-in-Another-Lie-About-Shutting-Down.htm[/URL].

Here he is lying about gain of function: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR5jtBtySsM[/URL].

[QUOTE=ErsatzJulian;2739752]The fact that Fauci qualifies his statements with phrases like "to the best our knowledge" and "as we're finding out with study" shows that he understands the scientific method and the limits of our knowledge, and that is why he is respected.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=PVMonger;2739765]I (we all) saw scores of public statements made by the respected Dr, Fauci.

Like many scientists, he was constantly including in his statements weasel clauses like "to the best of our knowledge" or "As we're finding out with study" and always warning that recommendations could change.

This position that professionals getting better & changing best practices is proof that they were professionally deficient earlier is a stupid position. It garners laughs every time you write it.[/QUOTE]I respect Fauci's political acumen but as a scientist and physician, he is beyond awful.

You guys hate Trump so much you are willing to overlook his recommendation for the horrible lockdowns. Studies are showing the horrible effects now they have had on our youth and as one of the videos is showing Fauci is lying his ass off.

Your hatred for Trump is so deep that you do not care that he harmed children, that he funded creation of the virus, or the USA may have had more Covid deaths than anyone. No, all you care about is how someone who is supposed to be apolitical is on your side. If you cannot condemn the lying megalomaniac supposedly apolitical Fauci, and he is truly evil, than we need to split the country in half.

[QUOTE=Beno69;2739799] Is this your last post before Gangster Trump go to jail for 20 years?

But remove them from the White House is not?

- They will present everything to the court before Donald go to jail.[/QUOTE]Did Hiliary Clinton take documents outside of the White House? How about Obama? You may accuse me of whataboutism but your guy Garland swore he was applying the law equally to both parties which we know when it comes to Republicans it is a lie. We already have word that the FBI has and had been slow walking the Hunter Biden case.

And yeah, you are right, the government will present to the court all the evidence it has on Trump. The part you do not get is that Trump will file a motion to toss the evidence, and that motion will be pushed up to SCOTUS, and they can toss all that evidence, and the government will have no choice but to drop the case.