American Politics

[QUOTE=Canada;2739694]Past history is irrelevant. Current times show the dems failing the American people. Look at Biden and the current dems last 18 months. Current history shows dems totally inept compared to all administrations in last 40 years.

1. Crime and murders skyrocketing especially in dem run states.

2. Border security at worst level ever with millions of illegals just walking across the border.

3. Highest inflation in 40 years.

4. Natural gas prices up 400-500%.

5. Gas prices and oil prices up over 100%.

6. food prices up 26%.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yeah, and everything was going perfectly in the 18 months before Biden took over.

Even better than the way things were going in the 6 months before Obama took over.

And the 6 months before Clinton took over.

And the 3 years before Carter took over.

And the 8 years before JFK / LBJ took over.

And the 4 years before FDR took over.

Yep. Dems just don't know how to play the winning hands they are always dealt by the outgoing Repubs. Lololol.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2739806]
Think how much easier it would be for them to argue that nobody knows anything, nothing works any better than anything else, who cares about democracy, it's the same as an authoritarian dictatorship. False equivalency! Bothsiderism! Neithersiderism! Anarchy!
[/QUOTE]Caught in your own gishgallop there - "authoritarian dictatorship", "Anarchy" - how can it be both? Haha. Sounds like "Bothsiderism" to me.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2739955]LOL. Yeah, and everything was going perfectly in the 18 months before Biden took over.

Even better than the way things were going in the 6 months before Obama took over.

And the 6 months before Clinton took over.

And the 3 years before Carter took over.

And the 8 years before JFK / LBJ took over.

And the 4 years before FDR took over.

Yep. Dems just don't know how to play the winning hands they are always dealt by the outgoing Repubs. Lololol.[/QUOTE]Yes history shows that things were going perfectly after 2 years of Trump and then the China / Dem virus hit and ground was lost. But at the end of the Trump presidency even with Covid it was still much better than it is today. There was no inflation. Gas was $2. 00 a gallon. But most people don't care what happened 2 years ago. 5 years ago or 10 years ago. The majority of Americans worry about what their life is today. And it is far worst than even last year. 20,000,000 households are delinquent in paying their energy bills. Retired people are seeing their nest egg shrink and are forced to go back to work. Blacks and Hispanics are no better today than they were a year ago. Biden has the country in turmoil. Everyone but the rich are suffering one way or another. But you don't care because you are still collecting your social security check and living in a shithole country.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2739948]Why does it matter who was president? Some president would have stood in the way of vaccine development? We the taxpayers paid for the vaccines.

Here is Fauci lying about lockdowns in his own words: [URL]https://www.onenewspage.com/video/20220825/14822388/Fauci-Caught-in-Another-Lie-About-Shutting-Down.htm[/URL].

Here he is lying about gain of function: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR5jtBtySsM[/URL].

I respect Fauci's political acumen but as a scientist and physician, he is beyond awful.

You guys hate Trump so much you are willing to overlook his recommendation for the horrible lockdowns. Studies are showing the horrible effects now they have had on our youth and as one of the videos is showing Fauci is lying his ass off.

Your hatred for Trump is so deep that you do not care that he harmed children, that he funded creation of the virus, or the USA may have had more Covid deaths than anyone. No, all you care about is how someone who is supposed to be apolitical is on your side. If you cannot condemn the lying megalomaniac supposedly apolitical Fauci, and he is truly evil, than we need to split the country in half.[/QUOTE]So, you finally admit that it was Donnie the Dumbass who had horrible, non-working vaccines developed. You finally admit that Donnie the Dumbass made you pay for the non-working vaccines.

And here's another teaser for you. Anybody who has ever done construction (commercial or not) understands the concept of a performance bond. Especially somebody like Donnie the Dumbass who told everybody that he was a construction genius. Yet, for some reason, he was too fucking [B]stupid[/B] to put a performance bond on the [B]construction[/B] of the vaccines. What a fucking genius!

And yes, Donnie the Dumbass harmed children and he killed people. Yes, Donnie the Dumbass was a megalomaniac. Actually, Donnie the Dumbass was just a maniac, just like the cultists who support him.

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[QUOTE=Spidy;2739715]Raping women, is where you mind goes w/r to anwsering question between Dems and Repubs? Really?

How does your raping women analogy, get you closer to your,

[i]"Freedom of movement, no borders. Now imagine that you remove the federal government and you decentralise the decision making back to county level, or even lower. That's pretty much what I want for the entire world."[/i]???

Anywho, carry on, with your Bothsiderism.

Hopefully, many of your QAnon/Repubs cohorts, will follow suit and NOT VOTE (or vote independent) and [b]continue to IGNORE[/b] the QAnon/Repub party, that remains the greater evil to a better democracy.[/QUOTE]Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is.

STILL FUCKING EVIL!!

[QUOTE=Canada;2739926]Cali Guy is about 90% correct. OPEC Oil was about $52 when Biden took office and today OPEC oil is $99. So about a 100% increase. Natural gas was about $2.50 per mcf and now it is about $9.00 per mcf. But oil was $120 a barrel. Oil prices have come down with the USA going into recession that Biden has created. Only a fool would think that a president that puts their country into a recession is doing a fantastic job. But prices will start creeping up as OPEC knows that there is a fool in office in USA. They are meeting this week and will raise prices.[/QUOTE]So true, Biden and liberals are destroying America.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2739970]Caught in your own gishgallop there - "authoritarian dictatorship", "Anarchy" - how can it be both? Haha. Sounds like "Bothsiderism" to me.[/QUOTE]I was merely repeating the various stated goals of the various pro Repub campaigners and voters here, not from any specific one of you.

They each achieve their agenda differently, claim to do what they do for different reasons, but the end result is the same; they help Repubs win elections so they can better destroy the USA economy and wipe out millions of USA jobs.

Bothsiders, Neithersiders, Authoritarian Dictator lovers or Anarchists, it doesn't matter. They all help Repubs win elections.

See, "they" was the tell-tale word there.

A person would have to be one of the dumbest, most cognitively impaired and least perceptive numbskulls on two feet to ever have concluded in the midst of all the coverage and statements abundantly available everywhere in Real News Media that, oh, let's dance through a few of the dumbest conclusions; that wearing a mask was a miraculous 100% certain way to make Trump's Pandemic go away, that all real vaccines work 100% of the time to prevent every vaccinated person from testing positive for Trump's Pandemic virus, that a single shot of the vaccine will "cure" everyone of Trump's Pandemic virus and on and on with whatever other ridiculous assertions some of you wingers claim was a Biden or Fauci "lie".

It isn't like the 40+ times so-called potus Trump tried to convince the seriously cognitively impaired dummies who he knew only listened to and believed him that "It's disappearing. It will go away without a vaccine" and all that anti-science Trump horse crap.

You had a massive amount of context, prefaces, clarifying and follow up statements made by Biden and Fauci throughout the entire Trump's Pandemic ordeal, fully covered and repeatedly reported in Real News Media as well as, presumably, at least a 4th grade level of knowledge, comprehension and critical thinking to prevent you from being so blissfully easily confused and "misled" by any stray unintentional misstatement here and there or even by the truly damaging outright lies Trump told about it over and over again for almost a year.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2740083]You had a massive amount of context, prefaces, clarifying and follow up statements made by Biden and Fauci throughout the entire Trump's Pandemic ordeal, fully covered and repeatedly reported in Real News Media as well as, presumably, at least a 4th grade level of knowledge, comprehension and critical thinking to prevent you from being so blissfully easily confused and "misled" by any stray unintentional misstatement here and there or even by the truly damaging outright lies Trump told about it over and over again for almost a year.[/QUOTE]The way you brush aside any criticisms, any lies, broken promises, from the Dem side, and simply turn the laser back on Trump and his lies and errors. It just shows that YOU and the millions like you, are just as much a problem in the USA as the QAnon crazies and such like. You, just like them, are unable to stare at reality and face the truth. Unless people can admit to their own errors (or the errors of those that they support), there will never be any progress. Bring oiut the nukes.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2740119]The way you brush aside any criticisms, any lies, broken promises, from the Dem side, and simply turn the laser back on Trump and his lies and errors. It just shows that YOU and the millions like you, are just as much a problem in the USA as the QAnon crazies and such like. You, just like them, are unable to stare at reality and face the truth. Unless people can admit to their own errors (or the errors of those that they support), there will never be any progress. Bring oiut the nukes.[/QUOTE]Trump started his self-serving down-playing and working his magic to produce Trump's Pandemic and mass murder at least a million Americans with his "We've got this under control. It is disappearing. It will go away without a vaccine" lies as early as February 2020 and he continued saying it at least deep into October 2020 in the face of overwhelming and mounting evidence he was dead wrong from the first moment he said it:

[B]'It's going to disappear':
A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanish[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/[/URL]

Please cite the seriously deadly lies Biden and Fauci said about it, for how long in the face of overwhelming and mounting evidence to the contrary and how many Americans who heard it repeated over and over and over again for months and believed it were led to their deaths because of it.

LOL. See, even when you [I]think[/I] you are scoring some neutral and brilliant Bothsiderism / Neithersiderism point, you wind up supporting Repub death and destruction instead.

[QUOTE=Canada;2739974]Yes history shows that things were going perfectly after 2 years of Trump and then the China / Dem virus hit and ground was lost. But at the end of the Trump presidency even with Covid it was still much better than it is today. There was no inflation. Gas was $2. 00 a gallon. But most people don't care what happened 2 years ago. 5 years ago or 10 years ago. The majority of Americans worry about what their life is today. And it is far worst than even last year. 20,000,000 households are delinquent in paying their energy bills. Retired people are seeing their nest egg shrink and are forced to go back to work. Blacks and Hispanics are no better today than they were a year ago. Biden has the country in turmoil. Everyone but the rich are suffering one way or another. But you don't care because you are still collecting your social security check and living in a shithole country.[/QUOTE]Yet, the consensus Poll of Polls on RCP and FiveThirtyEight show Biden's Job Approval and his Favorability Ratings higher than anyone else in a Federal leadership position in any Party, higher than the House, higher than the Senate, beating Trump on a hypothetical 2024 head-to-head contest, higher than Trump's were at this "best of times" point in his so-called presidency before his policies and stewardship nearly destroyed America and the rest of the world and the Dems are preferred over Repubs to control Congress.

With Biden's and the Dems' ratings on the rise.

Oh, Biden's Gallup Job Approval rating is also higher now than all but two other presidents at this same point in their presidency over the past 50+ years (it is not Reagan and Trump, BTW).

So it looks like most people are not really experiencing this "American Carnage" at Biden's and the Dems' hands you think and hope they are.

Maybe you just live in a real shithole neighborhood. Very, very much unlike where my rental property is in beautiful Southern California.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2739953]Did Hiliary Clinton take documents outside of the White House? How about Obama? You may accuse me of whataboutism but your guy Garland swore he was applying the law equally to both parties which we know when it comes to Republicans it is a lie. We already have word that the FBI has and had been slow walking the Hunter Biden case.

And yeah, you are right, the government will present to the court all the evidence it has on Trump. The part you do not get is that Trump will file a motion to toss the evidence, and that motion will be pushed up to SCOTUS, and they can toss all that evidence, and the government will have no choice but to drop the case.[/QUOTE]I assume that you are talking about Hillary and classified documents. HRC did, in fact, use a non-governmental server to conduct government business. There were several email chains that contained classified information. In a statement, then-FBI-director Comey said: "From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were "up-classified" to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent. " [URL]https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system[/URL].

What Clinton did was wrong and she was punished for it. After all, Comey opened [B]another investigation[/B] well within the 60-day window that it all likelihood he shouldn't have. Not that you'd believe Comey anyway, though.

Your rant re: Obama has been debunked by NARA multiple times. Just remember that if Donnie the Dumbass or rightwingnut media says anything at all, it is always a lie. The only time that Donnie the Dumbass has ever told the truth is when he said he'd like to fuck his daughter. [URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-obama-million-documents-929954890662[/URL] [URL]https://www.indy100.com/celebrities/donald-trump-ivanka-daughter-inappropriate[/URL].

In any case, you are deflecting. Again.

The issue here is that Donnie the Dumbass was [B]illegally in possession of records that didn't belong to him[/B]. Period. Here's the timeline for the hundredth time. Donnie the Dumbass left the WH on January 20th, 2021. The NARA started negotiating with him soon afterwards to return the documents that he was illegally in possession of. Donnie the Dumbass did what he does best and stalled. Donnie the Dumbass eventually returned some of the documents in his possession which included 180-some-odd classified documents about 1 year later. When NARA got around to reviewing the material, they found classified documents that [B]Donnie the Dumbass had been in illegal possession of[/B] and contacted the DOJ. The DOJ investigated and issued a subpoena for the return of the rest of the documents that Donnie the Dumbass stole. Then, in early June, 2022, Donnie the Dumbass did something else that he does well. [B]He got his crackpot legal team to lie for him[/B]. Again. He had his lawyers sign an affidavit stating that they had done an "exhaustive (or was it extensive) search" and said that other than the 38 classified documents that they gave the DOJ on the spot, that there were no more classified documents at Mar-a-Lago. The DOJ, of course, didn't believe a word of it because they had witnesses that said otherwise. They had video proof that said otherwise. So they raided the place and found (surprise, surprise, surprise) [B]more documents that didn't belong there[/B].

Regardless of how you and the rest of the Moron Brigade and rightwingnut media try to spin this, the HRC thing and the Donnie the Dumbass thing are in no way comparable. The Hunter Biden laptop is not comparable. The only person stupid enough to think that storing classified government documents in a country club is Donnie the Dumbass. Well, OK, all of his supporters. And all of rightwingnut media. And every RethugliKKKan. I guess I was wrong, it isn't just one person, it is the entire cult.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2739955]LOL. Yeah, and everything was going perfectly in the 18 months before Biden took over.

Even better than the way things were going in the 6 months before Obama took over.

And the 6 months before Clinton took over.

And the 3 years before Carter took over.

And the 8 years before JFK / LBJ took over.

And the 4 years before FDR took over.

Yep. Dems just don't know how to play the winning hands they are always dealt by the outgoing Repubs. Lololol.[/QUOTE]Exactly. You finally got it right.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2740280]Trump started his self-serving down-playing and working his magic to produce Trump's Pandemic and mass murder at least a million Americans with his "We've got this under control. It is disappearing. It will go away without a vaccine" lies as early as February 2020 and he continued saying it at least deep into October 2020 in the face of overwhelming and mounting evidence he was dead wrong from the first moment he said it:

[B]'It's going to disappear':
A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanish[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/[/URL]

Please cite the seriously deadly lies Biden and Fauci said about it, for how long in the face of overwhelming and mounting evidence to the contrary and how many Americans who heard it repeated over and over and over again for months and believed it were led to their deaths because of it.

LOL. See, even when you [I]think[/I] you are scoring some neutral and brilliant Bothsiderism / Neithersiderism point, you wind up supporting Repub death and destruction instead.[/QUOTE]And not only did Donnie the Dumbass lie with a straight face to the public, in private, to a reporter, he said (on audio tape) that he knew that COVID was serious.

Somehow the Moron Brigade seems to forget that salient fact. Everybody else with a functioning brain knew that Donnie the Dumbass lied because he's like a used-car salesman. The only time he lies is when his lips move.