German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2162837]Both in NL and DE, politicians have admitted that they "tried something" and it was less than a resounding success: "Social Democrat Lodewijk Asscher believes that the legalization of prostitution was "a national mistake. " The Dutch government now plans to tighten the law to combat a rise in forced prostitution. The Germans aren't there yet. The Greens, who played such an instrumental role by supporting the prostitution law 12 years ago, have no regrets. Irmingard Schewe-Gerigk, who was also a leading Green Party parliamentarian at the time the law was passed, says: "The law was good. It's just that we should have implemented it more thoroughly. ".

The 2017 reforms were essentially "trying something else". The fact that it took years of back-and-forth negotiation between the parties suggests that it was not something they were doing for the next election in six months: "For years, both conservative and FDP lawmakers have been pressing to reform the prostitution laws that were passed in 2001 by the governing coalition of Social Democrats and Greens led by Chancellor Gerhard Schrder. "..[/QUOTE]I like your optimism, 2033 will probably serve my personal needs. For younger mongers, this can be seen as a possible new doomsday clock. I feel that EU membership may encourage some elements of German politics to gravitate towards an EU consensus. As you mention Merkel's decisions on the immigration crisis, I think it's fair to look at possible impacts of those decisions. The once seemingly invisible political party of Merkel won the recent election by much narrower margins. After winning the elections, formation of the government was not possible for an extended amount of time. Negotiations and alliances with minority political parties were required for the government to finally be formed. I'm not aware what concessions were required to reach these agreements. It's possible that the date you mention based on cyclical changes could be expedited or delayed by similar political developments.

Brexit and debt repayment by Greece, Portugal and other financially challenged countries could potentially cause the collapse of the EU and the Schengen Agreement. That could theoretically delay any changes to the current German laws governing prostitution. It could also add hours to my travel times that could be required for crossing borders.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2163046]Since I have some free time these days and no better thing to do, I might just join in some of the discussions here LOL.

I agree with you guys, Mongers should always use the real-life benchmark of romantic relationship with women for this kind of monger-WG relationship. I guess that most of us are over 30 and we all know by now what kind (or level) of women / girls in real life we can get for romantic relationship, This knowledge also applies to the WGs. If a monger can get this WG romantically if she is a normal girl (not a WG) in real life, he can get her romantically as she is a WG. There is no difference between normal girls and WGs in this regard except that maybe the mongers have more convincing work to do to the WGs.

Some might say that some of the WGs have loverboys or boyfriends. Well, in real life some of women / girls whom you know you can get romantically can also reject you because they have boyfriends.

So if any monger wants to have romantic involvement with a certain WG, he shall always ask himself first whether he can get her romantically in real life if she is non-working normal girl. If he can get her in real life, he can get her as she is a WG. If he can't get her in real life, then he can't get her as a WG.[/QUOTE]Thank you. This seems to be a coherent, well thought out view on monger-WG relations. Much better than theories that attempt to apply the blanket of mediocrity on everyone.

[QUOTE=RogueNation;2162977]I am fine with my experience with girls inside and outside the clubs, for money and for free so my understanding of the scene and interacting with young girls of usually EE and not Latin descent seems to be OK. [/QUOTE]Romanians are often thought to be Latin in culture. Their language definitely is Latin. Their behavior and traditional family values also are very Latin. Things that separates them from the other traditional Latin cultures is communism and eastern orthodoxy.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2163059]Again 3 easy names of girls who don't kiss or only baby kiss but will happily take your load in her mouth: Athena, Estephania, Lily of Sharks.[/QUOTE]Don't forget that they charge you 50 € for taking your load! That's the normal price of an half an hour work and it just requires them to spit something in a handkerchief.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;2163030]Futile advice, that would just lead to more questions. Just read his old posts! :)
(Yes, I was guilty in responding some years ago.)[/QUOTE]Yes, I feel guilty now for even responding in the first place. I was just trying to support Shark16 and TankTank123, with whom I am in complete agreement. But, in the process: I opened Pandora's Box. I sincerely apologise to all other non-crazy members here. Mea Culpa. The best that can come of it is a major delete and cleaning up of the pollution that, alas, I helped create. I am Guilty. I forgot rule number 1: Don't feed the Troll.

LOL: It's getting so extreme from one side that it reminds my of another problemlematic situation with a guy who goes on Twitter rants.

Anyway, I apologise again, I've tried to steer this back to a neutral canvas, the chat lounge. But I sincerely hope the whole pointless discussion dies the death it deserves.

Sorry again for my inadvertant breach.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2163046]So if any monger wants to have romantic involvement with a certain WG, he shall always ask himself first whether he can get her romantically in real life if she is non-working normal girl. If he can get her in real life, he can get her as she is a WG. If he can't get her in real life, then he can't get her as a WG.[/QUOTE]In theory, you are correct. But you are making the assumption that men can be honest with themselves. Or perhaps the monger is somewhat in touch with reality. He realizes, that he is old, short, and fat. Like Danny Devito minus the wealth. He rationalizes that, in the real-world, women reject him immediately. But in FKK land, with a mere 50 EUR, he has an opportunity to market himself. He reasons that his licking prowess, big penis, and charm makes all the WGs fall in love with him.

[QUOTE=Bfsie;2163046]If a monger can get this WG romantically if she is a normal girl (not a WG) in real life, he can get her romantically as she is a WG. There is no difference between normal girls and WGs in this regard except that maybe the mongers have more convincing work to do to the WGs.[/QUOTE]The amount of work to "convince" the WG may be insurmountable. First impressions matter. The context in which you meet a women matters. The fact that she knows you are an experienced monger and you met her in a brothel, that is already two strikes against you. Simply being a "monger" implies some non-desirable character traits. Or implies you may lack value in the normal mating market. The exception is if you are an obvious first-timer, who was dragged their by your friends to the FKK.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2163160]Romanians are often thought to be Latin in culture. Their language definitely is Latin. Their behavior and traditional family values also are very Latin. Things that separates them from the other traditional Latin cultures is communism and eastern orthodoxy.[/QUOTE]The Vlachs (wallachian. Old Dacia) considers themselves the last remaining part of the roman empire, and they once came from Rome or today's Italy. Then comes the question weather or not all of Romania were Vlachs, or if the other two parts were romanianised. I have googled this a few times, but I am not 100% sure. Moldavian around iasi does look different from wallachians though. And Moldavia was a different country for a long time. The orthodoxy were possibly stronger in that area and may have come from that area and moved westwards as the roman empire died (just guessing on this part). While Catholicism is the main religion among the Hungarians in Transylvania and has had some influence there.

But today many think of Latin america when one says Latin perhaps. And the Latinos in America may just be further away from the original Latin (italic) population than any Romanians are.

Pay for play. Ready Player One.

Some of the short old fat men may just treat FKKs the same way a 16 year old virgin treats counter strike or world of Warcraft when he jumps into his alternative reality. It is up to him what he considers real or worth using his life on.

If we continue along the line of comparing this to gaming, then of course the girl might consider it a bad trait from a guy to waste his coins on. But we can say the same about the girls who spends their money on slot machines. In Macau the saunas were all in the same buildings as casinos, so late at night some girls left the sauna to play away their earned money on dice games or baccara. My favourite girl there claimed she sometimes stayed up until 8 in the morning, 4 hours after leaving the sauna. Just playing baccara. In total she lost.

If the world was an mmo:

[URL]https://youtu.be/gWIi6Pytde8[/URL]

With Agenda 21 it also matters less what we do with our lives as well. What we waste it on. What we do about it etc. We might as well wadte our coins on whatever, or leave the grid. Read this pdf and understand the red line:

(Link was a bit long, but google ' Agenda 21 sustainable development pdf'.

And avoid vaccines if you want to live. The reason behind the new regulations in Germany may also be related to Agenda 21.

At Takedown: The only EE girls in the clubs (yes, they are the majority but haven't always been) with a Latin language are Romanians. Bulgaria, Czech, Poland, Hungary etc. Do have a very different background regarding language.

EE girls and Latinas have very different behavior & culture. Don't know how you come to the conclusion that they are similar.

Kissing is considered very intimate by some / many girls. So they will not kiss a (or at least not every) client but only their BF. It's not because they are afraid to get feelings for the client. That's why they do CIM, rimjobs, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103][CodeWord103][/url], allow many practices men would consider a lot more disgusting than kissing. 15 years ago Daniela at Oase would DFK me when she was single and not kiss at all when she had a BF. Was my first question each time we met: „Single or not?

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2163181]Don't forget that they charge you 50 for taking your load! That's the normal price of an half an hour work and it just requires them to spit something in a handkerchief.[/QUOTE]Always thought that was too high.

Yet girls like Athena and Lily will not even DFK for money, Athena because she has a boyfriend. Lilly, well Lilly just sucks as a provider. Perhaps a better man than I can charm or pay her for it. Estephania can be charmed into DFK which means she might take cash for it too.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2163059]I do not have much experience with Rimming and the topic has been hijacked by guys who love their assholes played with.[/QUOTE]Ass play is more porno, pervert and intimate. Don't knock it until your have tried it.

Where do you go for a dump when you explained that you sleep in your rental car?

[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;2163056]I have never ever ever had a girl rim me who would not kiss me. This makes perfect sense, in fact rimming is seen as far more intimate an act by some girls. I have had many girls kiss me who would not rim me and I also have had some girls spontaneously rim me without asking.

One German girl in the Globe who was an enthusiastic kisser who licked my area underneath my testicles still said she could not rim me because that was too intimate. So my experiences are identical to yours.

Rimming without kissing, never ever happened to me.[/QUOTE]Yeah. So good getting rimjob. She has to kiss you afterwards.

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2162908]I think that EU resolution is non-binding IIRC. Anyways I don't think a country like Germany will make prostitution illegal for a number of reasons. The countries that adapted the Swedish model are those that strongly opposed prostitution for years or decades, with the exception of Canada. Of course it hasn't stopped prostitution and outside of Sweden enforcement seems weak. Toronto and Montreal has many escort agencies and massage parlors that advertise online and France has a big underground escort scene. Besides I think more people and organizations are starting to recognize sex work as legitimate and there is been growing criticism towards the Swedish model on prostitution.[/QUOTE]Since Germany decriminalized in 2002, have any other countries in EU followed suit? Since Swedish adopted its model in 1999, which countries have followed their example? Norway, Iceland, Northern Ireland, France, and Ireland. So Swedish model seems to have more momentum.

Prostitution obviously still exists in Sweden. Aren't underground scenes generally more expensive? Is France more expensive now than it was before the 2016 reform?

The primary reason to decriminalize in DE and NL was to protect WGs (more benefits, more rights, and stop human-traf problem). Many think that decriminalization has not helped. Seems to me the 2017 laws are like chemotherapy. In other words, more aggressive treatment to eradicate the cancer. If that fails, they may decide to amputate I. E. Adopt the Swedish model.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2163059]I will amend my statement to only CIM as I do not have much experience with Rimming and the topic has been hijacked by guys who love their assholes played with.

The original point was why girls do not kiss but will do other nasty things like take CIM. Point was that attraction matters.

Again 3 easy names of girls who don't kiss or only baby kiss but will happily take your load in her mouth: Athena, Estephania, Lily of Sharks.[/QUOTE]No hijacking needed — was your own statement. You always walk back your own words?

CIM is an extra. Not the same thing at all.

Attraction might do wonders outside the club. Inside, the only language is Euros.

Bad breath probably explains their reluctance to kiss as much as FoI (fear of intimacy).