East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=Changlelu;1856704]Sorry guys, I would love to spill more beans from my recent encounter with the weatherman (spend some 8 hrs enjoying their hospitality) but given my 'celebrity' status now I have to be careful since I am not a passing tourist. Lets just conclude here that my main purpose was to show the other side of things when you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. What I saw / experienced made quite an impression on me (subjective, I know) and I have to continue my life here. But what most surprised me was the well organized nature of the weather bureau, their intel and ability to dedicate large resources to their efforts (around 60 FTE were helping out at the storm site that day). The speed of weather change from happiness to despair and chaos among the pedestrians when lightning struck will be in my memory forever. Also some were physically 'cared' for, grown up man were crying.

Now, you can all put this aside as minor mishap etc, but it is like a traffic accident you read about in the paper, what is the chance it will happen to you? But just think for a moment about your course of action. Also, since I can not remember reading in this forum an eye witness account of a heavy rain storm, I thought it useful to share my personal travel experiences. However, if some members find the language / info to generic, so be it!

Now back to the main news.[/QUOTE]Thank you. That is the clearest thing you wrote. Now I get it. Safe hobbies. This is also why I have always been a coward around Saunas but have (I guess) taken risks in MPs. I would probably be one of those crying so I won't judge. Do you think / know if this was reported to peoples employers?

SamCan. Empty your in box. I hate to take up band width to say this. Now I'll be on somebody's ignore list. Except for an un named troll who loves to get scolded. Too bad about Changle lu. At least he survived, more the wiser.

Just a quick review of Sacrosa. I had been since the "fish bowl" area was remodeled. It's a nice touch to have the girls on a little stage.

Chose 380. Great gal from Haierbin. She's a tall (in heels) spinner. Nice and slim. That's how I like them. (Other girls on the line up also doable). Once we got to the room, she asked if I wanted the service or zuo ai. I did not really answer as I am not a huge fan of cat baths. She started at my chest, and worked her way to a BBBJ. After a bit of DATY (she has just the right amount of fluff), about 40 minutes of every which way. Finished off with CIM. She was very GFE, lots of DFK. Would repeat.

Looks: 7.

Service: 8.

Attitude: 9.

Not a hint of weather. Everything was in full operation.

Sorry my contributions have dropped off. I'll try to get back at it.

[QUOTE=TheGuy;1856337]No offense to anyone, but this talking in code seems to be one of the silliest characteristics of this thread.[/QUOTE]You are 100% right and thanks for your hint. Like most others here I also often forget, that this threat will also have a lot of people they are not into the "local code" and we all make it much more hard for them to get a idea about the Shanghai Scene. I remember how long I need to get clear what "LE" stand for. Confused me several times till I first time found it in a context where the meaning got clear by that.

But honestly most of this "codes" are not placed to confuse the "LE", the reason is simply that each group will develop their own "code" for communication very fast, and even people not do it on purpose, they will take over the "coding" to show their "membership" and to get the touch of an "insider". Easy psychology process in every group to develop some own communication way. For all the guys who don't believe it, I recommend to check out the Singapore forum about the Shanghai Sex Scene. You will find out, that you will have no idea about at least 10 words on the first forum page already (and don't think a dictionary would clear it.

And about the "LE (=police) is reading, so there is a need to hide clear details. I honestly not believe, that they need our threat here to get any information. Who was here in Shanghai the time the East Asia Conference was happened two years ago will know, that they not need any "basic" information like it will be shared here.

During the conference time all sauna clubs, "naughty massage shops" and so on had to close. And they have been closed! And even I used the time to find out, which massage shop has "extra service", because there have been places which 5 shops in a line, 4 have been closed, one keep open (so for sure this one has no happy ending).

And the key point is, that the police closed even the small shops directly, if they not closed their shop in time. There have been situations, where the police simply came over and blocked the entry door of some "naughty" shops. So since that time no one can tell me, that the police not know exactly what happen in which shop, down to the smallest happy ending massage salon! So there is no need for them to "research" in our forum, I am sure! And if they like to do web research, than there are still several Chinese forum pages about Shanghai Sex Scene which provide much more locations, details and they are even in Chinese, so more easy to handle.

From that view I would say we not really need to worry what kind of information we share here.

But for make it more easy for new visitors here, I would recommend that we all should read our post before the upload with the "view" of a "Greenhorn"! Than clarify the points which would follow up to confusion and we will avoid a lot of "stupid questions" and safe a lot of time for our new visitors here! For example it does not need a lot of effort to write "Sacrosa Sauna" instead of "Sacrosa" or "Manhattan Club" instead of "Manhattan", but I am sure it would be very helpful for "first timer" to Shanghai.

I often think about that, when I read the answer "RTFF" (Read the fucking forum). For someone who is into the topic already that would be an easy solution, but for someone who has no idea, it's nearly impossible to get what he is looking for in an acceptable time.

If I research for a new city page, I often start with a "general overview research" in a forum. And in average I need around 8 (hours to get an overview how the sex scene work there. At least for the case that I don't have any idea how the "sex business" work in that country. But think for yourself. You want to find out where you can pick up a girl and you want the related details (location, price, selection, how it works and so on). If you try to solve this task by "RTFF", you will get totally lost I would guess. For example one post talk about his pickup in Manhattan, but he will not clear that this is a bar for only to pick up Vietnamese girls, another post will discuss about the rates of Viet girls, but not mention that this is the "pickup rate" in Manhattan and so on. I would guess you need to go back hundreds of posts to find the details you need to go there.

And we should also not forget, that all countries are different. For example in Shanghai you not go to a girls bar for pickup, while this is normal in Thailand. You will not find any strip club or Gogo bar here, how should someone who come first time to Shanghai know, that here he need to go to a KTV to pick up a girl?

I often chat with visitors on our page, who have no idea, that a sauna offer sex service! And when I think back, it was new to me too. I remember I refused several times when my supplier first time wanted to invite me to a sauna. I saw us sitting naked in the sauna, sweat together with a lot of old Chinese guys and not really get attracted by that. And I really was surprised, how the local TV station could have so many studio branches. For several days I thought a KTV is a TV studio till I found too many of them and asked my assistant for that. Just because in Germany we call places for sex FKK club or brothel since prostitution is legalized, so I never had even the idea a KTV, spa or sauna would provide sex. But without a background like that a forum research can be a really hard stuff for someone who come first time to China!

So I think if all of us try to post a little bit more "Greenhorn-orientated", we could help our newcomer a lot.

Just my point of view.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1857057]You are 100% right and thanks for your hint. Like most others here I also often forget, that this threat will also have a lot of people they are not into the "local code" and we all make it much more hard for them to get a idea about the Shanghai Scene. I remember how long I need to get clear what "LE" stand for. Confused me several times till I first time found it in a context where the meaning got clear by that.

But honestly most of this "codes" are not placed to confuse the "LE", the reason is simply that each group will develop their own "code" for communication very fast, and even people not do it on purpose, they will take over the "coding" to show their "membership" and to get the touch of an "insider". Easy psychology process in every group to develop some own communication way. For all the guys who don't believe it, I recommend to check out the Singapore forum about the Shanghai Sex Scene. You will find out, that you will have no idea about at least 10 words on the first forum page already (and don't think a dictionary would clear it.

And about the "LE (=police) is reading, so there is a need to hide clear details. I honestly not believe, that they need our threat here to get any information. Who was here in Shanghai the time the East Asia Conference was happened two years ago will know, that they not need any "basic" information like it will be shared here. {S N I P}[/QUOTE]I agree with ShanhaiGuide 99.99%. Codes are just shorthand. It is much easier to write 'windy', rather writing about police raids, checks, scheduled closures, crackdowns and yandas. The codes are not intended to 'fool' the Police (and actually I think the acronym 'LE' is so well known that when used in context, the meaning is very clear.

Orh Kui Tao. But totally no need to use dozens of slang names and acronyms which even confuse experienced members.

Singaporeans use whole bunch or acronyms that are often derived from the Hokkien language. For example OKT (Orh Kui Tao), which means pimp or tout.

I always get a laugh when I am conversing about video surveillance and CCTV. The Chinese inevitably think I am referring to the state run TV stations.

Let's stick to plain English where possible, but if you are copying a sauna service acronym or euphemism, it would be helpful to also write the English Meaning.

Ikksman

My in house spy confirms that BJ Road spa was closed by LE and that her place nearby was visited. She suggests that a morning visit for favorable weather. Possible low clouds and windy in the late evening. I was outside Monday night as a man and woman removed large plastic bags and those big zip up garment bags migrants use. Has anybody gone to the the owner's spa in the alley at Wanhangdu / Wuning road?

Hi all,

Will be in Shanghai second week of April. Anyone up for some clubbing or pickups together may inbox me. Will appreciate if can get contacts of some nice independent gals. Any other suggestion most welcome.

Thanks.

Based on the great post in the Suzhou blog, I have explored around in Shanghai a bit for this, and have had a little luck- found one. This is in Minhang, not too far from the Jiaoda main campus, called Lianming (32852;26126;33310;21381. This is on Lianming Lu. Not so easy to find, but its there- can look up in google maps. Entrance is on a side of a building- need to look for this. Can watch people coming in and out- and will find it. Entrance fee is 20 RMB, and no questions were asked. Can then go up and check coat, etc. Buy tickets at the counter for 20 RMB each- so give these to the girl, not cash.

I went there on a Friday evening, a bit too late (9 pm)- it closes at 10:30. Pretty busy. According to people I talked to, it's less busy Sun-Thursday, with a lot more girls compared to guys. People there were very friendly- best to speak Chinese. The staff asked how I like it, how I like the girls, etc. I also talked to some of the customers, who where certainly surprised to see a Westerner there. Got the usual stares- but these are normal stares, not glares. Some then even tried to hook me up with girls they know there (there seemed be many regular customers). One older man even showed me how to best grope a certain girl.

Some of the girls were nice, some not so nice. Few sauna level. Many were dressed rather racy. Talking to these girls, some are there every day, some occasionally. Some have been there a while, and some only a few days or weeks. I think there is a fair amount of turnover. I asked a couple of the girls, and they had never seen a westerner there before, though one had danced with a Japanese. Most will assume that you do not speak Chinese, until you do.

It was not hard to find dance partners. Same process as described in Suzhou board. After each dance I would go over and sit or stand in a different place, and check out the scene. No need to take every dance. As in Suzhou, it's one dark / slow dance, followed by light / fast. In the dance, as grabbing and other groping were the norm. The floor was dark, though maybe not as big as the Suzhou places. With some girls there was no talk, and some talking throughout. In a couple cases it got pretty passionate, and in others the girl just went through the motions. I danced with a couple 2-3 times, and built a decent rapport. Let's see if they are there when I go back.

I think I could have gotten some phone numbers or wechat, though as this was the first time I left it- will do this next time. And I'm not sure I would push for any same day stuff until I know how the place works better.

Taking to the people there, they say there are a few other Wuting in Shanghai, but not many. There is one in Qingpu, which is smaller (and a bit far for me), and another in Pudong, which hopefully I'll be able to thresh out.

So something else to check out. My suggestion is that don't get there too late (opens in the afternoon), don't come in too big a group (may attract undo attention), make friends with the locals, and go with the flow. Good luck.

This has been my local as it's the closest. But boy does this place look like a slump working girl house.

Lately, there have been a constant supply of Russian / Ukrainian engineers. Me like. Price is reasonable at 1680 RMB. Probably the cheapest white engineers one could find.

I had a few awesome consultation with the Russian / Ukrainian engineers lately. But the standard of room is a *****. Despite having an army of Ayi cleaning the room, it was just messy.

Last night, I paid an extra 100 RMB for the VIP room which is a suite away from the crowd. Nice decor, but crappy hardware, the shower ran like weak [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url], we had to ask for towels and sheet, out of tissue (HELLO? Sauna 101? There's a TV but with nothing to show, the bed is slightly bigger but same vinyl bedding with a thousand people's semen on it.

A slump working girl house. But I like it, because it gives me what I want.

Problem with "windy / rainy weather" metaphor is it makes it nearly impossible for most of us to understand what a poster is getting at, especially since most deploying this "prose" are non-native English speakers. Don't want to disparage any poster, but given the proliferation of Internet trolls, imprecise language will make me question any poster's authenticity.

In his 1st post on the arrest, the poster said "I did not stay very long. " In the more recent post, he said he spent "some 8 hrs enjoying their hospitality. " Maybe absent the "rainy / windy" metaphor, I would understand him better.

Again, not to cast aspersions on a poor monger who was detained by the police. Nothing but sympathy from me for this gentleman. But it makes a helluva difference to us all whether it was a brief police encounter or whether criminal charges were filed, and why some mongers faced more severe consequences.

For those who read Chinese or watch local news, the LE of Shanghai had announced a major concerted crackdown on traffic law violations. You might have noticed the very visible increased police presence on the road. That is long overdue, given the atrocious traffic conditions and reckless disregard of civility, safety and traffic laws by drivers and motorbikes. I know traffics division is separated from vice squads, but I wonder whether this shift in focus might not provide some relief of the recent pressure on sinful places and us mongerers.

BTW, I noticed that the Shanghai thread has now exceeded 10000 posts. Excellent. Onward and forwards. !!

With the passing of time comes reflection, perspective and further insight. Let me first of all thank the resident seniors who were so kind to reach out with support and request for more details. Although I wanted to keep it short and general, the follow-on discussion has tended to go a bit off track and I would like to add some further remarks within my limited publicity space (which everyone in my situation would consider as well, thank you).

1. We should not deviate from the real topic and start a long discussion on 'language' issues. The weather format reporting into this forum was not introduced by me, also it was extensively used in general discussions whereby the members had little personal 'skin in the game' if you will. While I liked the creativity of the language and immediately understood its meaning (but that's me and I am not a native speaker), I would not necessarily use it if I could be more open. Also, we should not underestimate the level of intelligence of our diverse member pool. As an aside this was one of the questions during my 'interview' with the weatherman: they wanted to know what my highest education level was (primary school, high school etc).

2. After struggling for a while I decided to go 'public' with my experience, for the sole reason to warn others of real risks. Now given the scarcity of such events (can not remember reading here about a member having same experience) it is easy to brush it off. But this a so-called tail-end risk, rare but with large impact if it happens to you.

3. Exact time / place are not so relevant. It is a bit off center Shanghai and has never before been covered here. Foreigners were rare there as well. After the storm the place was gutted.

4. It was not a lousy small place but rather fancy with good talent.

5. Somehow, something broke down in their operations. I also do not know why they attracted the dedicated attention of the Shanghai specialized weather bureau. Their pre-op intel and handling was excellent and swift. There were no obstacles at the storm site for them!

6. Never have I seen adult males so meekly and small! Being belittled by female school teachers (yeah. Language! One male visitor was ordered by a young female teacher to stand with his face against a wall for over an hour (just like in primary school), just for practice, go figure! Seeing people boarded and hooded was like Gitmo except for the orange jump suits.

7. I was kindly informed that the weather man know how to deal with visitors with listening disabilities, incl. Enlisting help from concerned relatives and work colleagues. Nuff said, you can figure out the festive atmosphere over there!

8. All our personal details were recorded, they especially liked to capture our well groomed faces and fingers.. Also my foreign passport was given ample study time... They complimented me on my visa status..

9. My stay was brief in the sense that it was not overnight (did not bring extra clothes), but still took most of the day. The many others (visitors and staff) were awarded free two weeks lodging!

10. The elephant in the room question is of course why I could only briefly enjoy their hospitality. THIS I can not answer here, but suffice to say I did not break any rules in a technical sense.

11. No offense to others and I do not want to change your behavior, I only wanted to show the other side of things. Hope this can be appreciated on its OWN merits.

As the Germans say : "wer lesen kann ist klar im Vorteil" meaning : those who can read are clearly advantaged !

Stay safe and enjoy the Spring weather!

Hoping to find a MP that does prostate massage-not as something that might be negotiated as an extra, but part of the standard service.

Thanks a lot.

[QUOTE=NorthSouth;1858317]

BTW, I noticed that the Shanghai thread has now exceeded 10000 posts. Excellent. Onward and forwards. !![/QUOTE]There have been much more posts, not only 10000+. I think this is now the 2nd or even 3rd Shanghai thread.

In former times one still could find the closed threads of the past in the China overview, but I guess that Jackson now has finally removed them from the list. Makes sense, as things are very different than before, and many of the infos collected back then are useless, today.

Lev.

[QUOTE=Changlelu;1858450]With the passing of time comes reflection, perspective and further insight. Let me first of all thank the resident seniors who were so kind to reach out with support and request for more details. Although I wanted to keep it short and general, the follow-on discussion has tended to go a bit off track and I would like to add some further remarks within my limited publicity space (which everyone in my situation would consider as well, thank you).

[/QUOTE]In any event, man, very sorry for what you went through.