Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[QUOTE=McJohn]...But sure as hell, it can be that the first time you try it yourself you get it. Life can be a ***** and with sex there's always a minimal risk you're catching something even if you are careful. [/QUOTE]McJohn You're absolutely right! I was asking, because I am married (happily!) and I have some stopovers in Bangkok each year. P4P is just a short adventure there for me, just a thrill. I am happy with my whife and wouldn't want to loose or hurt her - so she should never ever find out (!!!). Bringing home a std would be very hard to explain and would infect her too. I would never want that. So I "eat" at home and only have protected sex the few times when I am in Bangkok

[QUOTE=McJohn]the HIV test kit, FDA indeed approved a rapid HIV test kit which gives results in as little as 20 minutes.

Beware also this is an antibody test, so it only gives reliable results after 12 weeks or more after HIV infection.[/QUOTE]I believe I mentioned I used this test (rapid latex agglutination) when I ran a clinic in Angola. To the best of my knowledge it has not been approved for home use. Since agglutination tests can be very subjective, I doubt it will be in it’s current form.

As to your comment about 12 weeks. Yes. And No. Antibodies to the HIV virus can take even longer than 3 months to respond. Usually, we recommend a negative test be confirmed six months later.

The problem with that, of course, is that people who exhibit the type of risky behavior that brought them to the clinic in the first place are unlikely to remain celibate during the ensuing six months.

[QUOTE=Higgins T]I haven't done oral sex on a thai girl yet - I hesitate because I'm affraid of getting an STD like herpes or ghonorea....[/QUOTE]I never do oral on Thai women. Because I'm afraid of STD's. Some STD's like Syphilis, Herpes, HPV (causes warts and cancer), and HIV can lie dormant for years after you get an infection. But eventually they can cause some serious health problems for you.

Just because someone has done a lot of unprotected oral sex on Thai women and feels ok now, doesn't necessarily mean that he will be ok in the future.

I used to like doing oral on women. But to avoid possible infections, I've learned to enjoy masturbating women with my well-lubricated hand instead.

It's the woman's excitement and orgasm that matters to me. And I've found that making a woman orgasm with my hand is even better and easier than with my mouth. My hand is a lot stronger than my tongue. And my fine-movement control over my fingers is a lot better than it is over my tongue. I can stimulate the woman in many more ways with my fingers than I can with my tongue.

If you are going to do unportected oral sex on Thai women despite the dangers. Then I suggest that you rinse your mouth with mouthwash immediately afterwards. Mouthwash is designed to kill bacteria. And it may kill some viruses too. It won't give you 100% safety. But it will probably decrease your chances of getting an infection.

I know because I got it.

I did an Eden Club double act. One of the girls (the one my choice chose as her partner) looked a bit pale and sick but I didn't think too much about it.

We fucked every which way, and each time both of them put a new condom on me. I'm 100% sure none broke.

The sick looking one gave me the blow job of my life -- and a strain of gonnorhea which I gave to my long-time girl friend in Germany (not impressed), and which the doctors at Berlin's most prestigious hospital Charite, could not cure.

In the end I had to go to a doctor who specialised in gay men's diseases and I had a series of shots in the ass at daily intervals.

The doc explained that the gonnococal germ can live in the mucous membranes of the throat.

You've been warned.

If you are positive as to how you contracted this, I would hope that you have contacted the establishment so that they can get the girl some medical attention and see that she does not give this to another person.








[QUOTE=Lama Di Bali]I know because I got it.

I did an Eden Club double act. One of the girls (the one my choice chose as her partner) looked a bit pale and sick but I didn't think too much about it.

We fucked every which way, and each time both of them put a new condom on me. I'm 100% sure none broke.

The sick looking one gave me the blow job of my life -- and a strain of gonnorhea which I gave to my long-time girl friend in Germany (not impressed), and which the doctors at Berlin's most prestigious hospital Charite, could not cure.

In the end I had to go to a doctor who specialised in gay men's diseases and I had a series of shots in the ass at daily intervals.

The doc explained that the gonnococal germ can live in the mucous membranes of the throat.

You've been warned.[/QUOTE]

IMHO,

getting a Gohonorrea from Blow Job : very hard .
getting Clamydida from BJ : almost impossible.
getting syphilis from BJ : almost impossible.
getting HIV from BJ : almost impossible.
getting Herpes HSV from BJ : very easy.

Let the girl gargle with some Listerint before the job, sometime it did help.

If the girl got warts on her hand It's possible to get warts on penis having an handjob as well...

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight]IMHO,

getting a Gohonorrea from Blow Job : very hard .
getting Clamydida from BJ : almost impossible.
getting syphilis from BJ : almost impossible.
getting HIV from BJ : almost impossible.
getting Herpes HSV from BJ : very easy.

Let the girl gargle with some Listerint before the job, sometime it did help.

If the girl got warts on her hand It's possible to get warts on penis having an handjob as well...[/QUOTE]You can have your humble opinion.

In the humble opinion of the foremost venereologist working in Berlin, it is commonplace for the gonorrhea bacteria to live in the throat if the girl has given a blow job to a man who has the disease.

He says he sees it all the time in gay men.

It does not live in the mouth, it colonises the throat, so all the listerine in the world is not going to make a rat's ass of a difference.

The blow job I got was the ONLY unprotected sex I had and I have long ago given up the notion that I can get it from toilet seats.

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight]...getting a Gohonorrea from Blow Job : very hard ...
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I did some time ago. Easier to cure in my case though, and I luckily didn't pass it on to anyone.

I found some information on this subject from the San Francisco City Clinic:

According to their information, a woman performing unprotected oral sex on a man is lot more dangerous in terms of disease transmission than is a man doing DATY on a woman.

A woman doing oral on a man can trasmit the following infections: Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, Hepaptitis A, Herpes, HPV, Shigella, and Syphylis. It's also possible to get HIV and Hepatitis B this way, although such infections through oral sex are rare.

But according this site, a man doing oral on the lady is at risk of getting only Herpes and possibly HPV.
[url]http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/sfcityclinic/stdbasics/stdchart.asp[/url]

[QUOTE=MarcoStraight]IMHO,
getting a Gohonorrea from Blow Job : very hard .
getting Clamydida from BJ : almost impossible.
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IMHO your HO isn't worth much.
Clamydia is quite easy to catch. Research the Internet.
I have had Clamydia 2 times and no other STDs.
Both times condoms were worn for sex properly.
Once I got it from BBBJ with girl from the Grace Hotel Coffee shop.
2nd time got it in the left eye off my finger that had misbehaved with girls at J One MP most likely.

[QUOTE=Lama Di Bali]You can have your humble opinion.

In the humble opinion of the foremost venereologist working in Berlin, it is commonplace for the gonorrhea bacteria to live in the throat if the girl has given a blow job to a man who has the disease.

He says he sees it all the time in gay men.

It does not live in the mouth, it colonises the throat, so all the listerine in the world is not going to make a rat's ass of a difference.

The blow job I got was the ONLY unprotected sex I had and I have long ago given up the notion that I can get it from toilet seats.[/QUOTE]



Instead of arguing with these guys.....call 0848690083 and tell the guy what happened. He will pass it on to Eden management and get the problem sorted out as best as it can be at this point.

[QUOTE=Dan7373]But according this site, a man doing oral on the lady is at risk of getting only Herpes and possibly HPV.[/QUOTE]Dan, I don't know the SF Clinic. But I can tell you the chart is wrong. Simply put, anything a man can transmit to a woman by oral sex, can go from woman to man, too. I've treated gonoccocal pharyngitis in heterosexual men.

We generally believe that most of these diseases are more difficult to transmit during oral (male or female) because the mouth is not really a very hospitable environment for the various bacteria/viruses. If I put a drop of gonorrhea exudate on your lips, it is attacked by the enzymes in saliva and probably is deactivated. If, however, you put that same drop in a soda straw and deposit it in the throat, it misses that attack by the saliva and has a much better chance of infecting the person.

Yes, it is hard to get chlamydia from oral sex. Why? If she has a nasty case of chlamydia, she'll find sex painful and you'll find it stinks to high heaven. If she has a sub-clinical case, then, once again, those yeast buds will be attacked by the saliva. On the other hand, if you've got it and manage to stick your dick in her throat, she's much more likely to contract it.

Syphillis? If you've got an open sore in your mouth (maybe you bit your cheek or got your teeth cleaned) and you DATY on an infected lady, you'll more likely get syph. Same for Hepatitis and HIV.

It's not a matter of what you will or won't get, it's just a matter of probabilities. Rinsing with Listerine is unlikely to help - unless you're rinsing her vagina with Listerine. That might stop the transmission of diseases - mostly because she'll be running away as fast as possible to the nearest douche!

When my oral health is good (i.e. no open sores) I don;t worry about it. My cock is always sheathed. Hell, I'm wearing a rubber right now!

What proportion of Thailand prostitutes are willing to go bareback? I'm wondering because no later than last night (I'm only in Thailand since 2 days) girl offered bareback for 500 bath extra.

Personnally I don't think people should should judge those who choose BB. It's the choice of two consenting adults, and those going covered shouldn't worry, because covers are indeed meant to protect them so they should be safe anyway. Of course there is always the. O1% factor that the condom breaks and the. 01 factor that you get infected, but that's as probable as you winning the lottery.

On my side I would only go BB if I choose to keep the girl for a long period like a few days, and I had a full STD HIV blood test done.

[QUOTE=Escort Fan]What proportion of Thailand prostitutes are willing to go bareback?[/QUOTE]

Probably well over half do it as a matter of cours, and nearly all sometimes. However, it will depend on a variety of factors - she may allow with one customer and refuse the next. Most of the time extra money is not even necessary, but basically girls who do bareback regularly anyway will sometimes try for extra money if they think the guy is very eager or naive.

I have not found a huge difference in barebacking between the different levels of the business - some do and some don't from the 300 baht street girls to the 2,000 baht ones in the gogo.

One difference you will normally find is that girls in the Thai side of the sex business are much more likely to insist on condoms than girls in the farang-oriented side of the business. I attribute this to the fact that most Thai men are quite willing to use condoms, while most farang are not.

Lastly girls in 'soapy massage' places are somewhat less likely to bareback than girls in bars, gogos, or freelance work.

[QUOTE=Animby]Dan, I don't know the SF Clinic. But I can tell you the chart is wrong. Simply put, anything a man can transmit to a woman by oral sex, can go from woman to man, too. I've treated gonoccocal pharyngitis in heterosexual men....[/QUOTE]I agree with you about the theoretical dangers of STD transmission. That's why I won't do unprotected oral on a massage lady, even when a medical clinic website says it's not that dangerous.

But to be fair to this clinic, perhaps their chart comes from their statistics that they keep about their patients. Or it may come from some nation-wide statistics.

Sometimes that which looks dangerous in theory may not be so dangerous in practice. And the only way to know for sure the STD danger of a man doing unprotected oral sex on a woman is to look at what actually happens in real life with many real people and over a reasonable period of time.