American Politics

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2438591]The Chinese have been living with viral outbreaks for years. They've gotten used to it. We've all seen them everywhere wearing their masks. Two months ago, when masks were disappearing from retail shelves in America, I asked everywhere CVS, Lowe's, Home Depot, Ace Hardware 'what happened? They all said Chinese came in and bought them all and been calling on the phone non-stop asking for more. So now what we have is the new normal, a descent to the lowest common denominator, a Chinese standard of life. There's nothing any President or any leader in the Western leader could do about this. Prepare yourself for the new normal: this virus isn't going away, or it will be succeeded by a new one. At least now we know what your government thinks your life is worth: twelve-hundred dollars.[/QUOTE]A capitalist society / government don't care about it's people like the USA. You are speaking to the choir. Also, american history has shown this. But also it's the fault of the government allowing so many companies to move overseas. Now you have a country that is more of a consumer than a producer. Capitalism at it's finest.

[QUOTE=Confiable;2438563]As an American, you can have him. This guy minimize the threat of the virus just one day after the WHO declared it a pandemic. No leadership skills at all. From day one, he did not take this serious. Recently, Trump wants the nation opened up for Easter. He wants the churches pack with people. While new cases of coronavirus continues to rise and the death total as well. Yes, you can have him and his clown behavior.[/QUOTE]Sorry, that's just not true. Trump restricted immigration from China very early in the crisis, back when Italian mayors were encouraging people to hug the nearest chinaman. Of course the media and democrats accused him of "racism" as always, but it would be much worse if he hadn't blocked the migration.

As for his Easter comments, that is an aim not a concrete deadline. And why shouldn't we aim to get things going as fast as possible? Every week of this terrible lockdown costs hundreds of billions of dollars and sees millions of jobs and livelihoods lost. If Obama had said the exact same thing, people like you and CNN would call it "inspiring leadership". Ho hum.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2438734]Sorry, that's just not true. Trump restricted immigration from China very early in the crisis, back when Italian mayors were encouraging people to hug the nearest chinaman. Of course the media and democrats accused him of "racism" as always, but it would be much worse if he hadn't blocked the migration.

As for his Easter comments, that is an aim not a concrete deadline. And why shouldn't we aim to get things going as fast as possible? Every week of this terrible lockdown costs hundreds of billions of dollars and sees millions of jobs and livelihoods lost. If Obama had said the exact same thing, people like you and CNN would call it "inspiring leadership". Ho hum.[/QUOTE]
Everthing I said was factual. You can research it. You defending him will not change the facts. This is not about Obama so stop deflecting. FYI I am not a democrat. So that comment was useless. Also, it was stupid of him to make the Easter remarks contrary to the advise of medical experts. That's not even debatable. It was not smart on his part no matter how you want or try to twist it. Most of the major airlines stopped/suspended flights to China prior to Trump's annoucement. Even the state department told americans not to travel to China because of the outbreak prior to Trump.

[QUOTE=Confiable;2438742]Everthing I said was factual. You can research it. You defending him will not change the facts. This is not about Obama so stop deflecting. FYI I am not a democrat. So that comment was useless. Also, it was stupid of him to make the Easter remarks contrary to the advise of medical experts. That's not even debatable. It was not smart on his part no matter how you want or try to twist it. Most of the major airlines stopped/suspended flights to China prior to Trump's annoucement. Even the state department told americans not to travel to China because of the outbreak prior to Trump.[/QUOTE]You don't seem to understand what "factual" means. Saying things like "no leadership skills at all" and "he did not take this serious" is not factual, it is your opinion (and a wrong one at that). The relevant fact here is that Trump announced restrictions on entry from China way back in January, well ahead of the curve, in the face of the usual media / democrat opposition. The only other Western country to implement restrictions on China in January was Italy, which did so on the same day as Trump. Those are facts. Go research them.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2438764]You don't seem to understand what "factual" means. Saying things like "no leadership skills at all" and "he did not take this serious" is not factual, it is your opinion (and a wrong one at that). The relevant fact here is that Trump announced restrictions on entry from China way back in January, well ahead of the curve, in the face of the usual media / democrat opposition. The only other Western country to implement restrictions on China in January was Italy, which did so on the same day as Trump. Those are facts. Go research them.[/QUOTE]Chris P is on the money and the other "Occupy Democrat" twit can please himself. I really hate it when posters use this forum to angle in their own political views.

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2438764]You don't seem to understand what "factual" means. Saying things like "no leadership skills at all" and "he did not take this serious" is not factual, it is your opinion (and a wrong one at that). The relevant fact here is that Trump announced restrictions on entry from China way back in January, well ahead of the curve, in the face of the usual media / democrat opposition. The only other Western country to implement restrictions on China in January was Italy, which did so on the same day as Trump. Those are facts. Go research them.[/QUOTE]Once again most major airlines stopped flying to China prior to trump's message and the state department also advised americans against going there. Proaction steps were already being taken. That is the facts. His health advisors are the ones who convinced him to implement the restriction so don't act like he came up with the idea on his own. The only positive thing he did was listen to them. Several countries also closed their borders in January- Japan, Russia, and Pakistan. So don't act like other countries were not concerned. Also, saying you have the situation under contol before you know all the facts is poor leadership skills and he made that statement more than once. Saying you want to open up the nation on Easter is just plan stupid when the pandemic is not even close to being controlled. I guess that's showing great leadership. I am done discussing this subject.

[QUOTE=Acejack;2438771]Chris P is on the money and the other "Occupy Democrat" twit can please himself. I really hate it when posters use this forum to angle in their own political views.[/QUOTE]It's obvious you can't read and comprehend. You would have known that I am an independent. I see you like to bring up labels and ignore the facts. A childish game that republicans and democrats play with each other. Grow up.

[QUOTE=Confiable;2438774]Once again most major airlines stopped flying to China prior to trump's message and the state department also advised americans against going there. Proaction steps were already being taken. That is the facts. His health advisors are the ones who convinced him to implement the restriction so don't act like he came up with the idea on his own. The only positive thing he did was listen to them. Several countries also closed their borders in January- Japan, Russia, and Pakistan. So don't act like other countries were not concerned. Also, saying you have the situation under contol before you know all the facts is poor leadership skills and he made that statement more than once. Saying you want to open up the nation on Easter is just plan stupid when the pandemic is not even close to being controlled. I guess that's showing great leadership. I am done discussing this subject.[/QUOTE]Three US-based airlines had stopped flights prior to Trump's January restrictions, but other US and international airlines had not. Trump's early actions reduced the number of corona carriers entering the USA, against the wishes of the democrats and media who claimed it was "racist". If you were impartial you would recognise that fact and applaud him for it.

I didn't "act like he came up with the idea on his own". He listened to his health advisors, and took prompt and decisive action, much more quickly than leaders of other Western nations. That looks like good leadership skills to me.

And again, either you seem not to have read my post or your geographical knowledge is severely lacking. I said Trump was the first Western leader to implement travel restrictions on China. Russia, Pakistan and Japan are not in the West.

If you want to attack Trump for something of which he is guilty, such as rudeness to his opponents, go right ahead. But when you say things which are simply not true, and then claim your incorrect opinions to be "factual", don't be surprised when people call you out on it.

I think you nailed it about testing in the US. It won't change anything if every single American were tested. In fact, it would increase infections because even home testing kits that are mailed can spread the virus. It's all about isolation. Testing is a political football in America. Why do we hear so much about testing in American media? I believe it is because American media are more politically polarized and motivated than ever before. If you doubt that, spend an hour or two watching any of the cable news programs (you can get them on the Internet) that depend on advertising revenue and ratings. Fox, cnn, msnbc. Then spend an hour or two watching any rest of world news outlet or the cable news channels that don't depend on advertising (BBC, PBS). The difference is very striking. The ratings and advertising dependent outlets will say most anything to keep the audiences they've cultivated. More than anything else, that means 24/7 Trump.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2438695]There are many vectors. One of the now famous ones was in South Korea. An infected person was at a large mega-church conference and infected many who in turn infected many. And in Canada a dental conference and a doctors hockey tournament have infected many.

I think the testing failure was a big thing (US), but the far bigger failure is the failure to get people to isolate. Assume everyone may have it so isolate. And those that have it either recover or die. As long as they are not infecting anyone else the virus dies. It's a very simple concept. Very devastating economically but the only way to stop this thing. And that's basically what worked in China. And relentless contact tracing and testing has helped some countries. But not once it has really gotten away. And it has gotten away in the USA. No amount of testing will change anything now. Not until you get people to stop spreading it.

Testing still is important for health care workers. Don't get me wrong. You need to know that they are not spreading it. And when they have it they need to go home. But for the general population right now testing is irrelevant. In the future, yes. Some sort of testing may be needed to know who has had it and who hasn't. But that is a different test anyway.[/QUOTE]

Uganda. That's the topic.

Did Trump ever been in Uganda? If not, its not worth to talk about that clown in the Uganda thread.

Lets move on.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2438881]I think you nailed it about testing in the US. It won't change anything if every single American were tested. In fact, it would increase infections because even home testing kits that are mailed can spread the virus. It's all about isolation.[/QUOTE]Do you remember with the FAA and Boeing and the 737's? The rest of the world was banning their use, and the FAA, which is practically an arm of Boeing, refused to do so. Trump personally had to step in and give the order to ground the planes.

Well, the government agencies, FDA and CDC, appear to have done the same thing. Someone unknown at one of the agencies shut down private companies from making and running their own tests, and the CDC botched the tests they made at first. The virus was not as big of an issue then, and I suspect we will never know the controlling asshole or assholes who made this call, but it did happen under Trump, and he got the blame for it. Once testing was opened up, the number of available tests skyrocketed.

This is one of those things that I bet Trump will get to the bottom of and heads roll on it, and I hope they do. It was really not Trump but a bunch of controlling bureaucrats. Still, he is responsible for what they do.

As for testing, I think it is a double edged sword. If you test positive, you are more likely to isolate. If you test negative, I wonder if people think that they could do whatever they want and think they do not need to isolate.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2438881]I think you nailed it about testing in the US. It won't change anything if every single American were tested. In fact, it would increase infections because even home testing kits that are mailed can spread the virus. It's all about isolation. Testing is a political football in America. Why do we hear so much about testing in American media? I believe it is because American media are more politically polarized and motivated than ever before. If you doubt that, spend an hour or two watching any of the cable news programs (you can get them on the Internet) that depend on advertising revenue and ratings. Fox, cnn, msnbc. Then spend an hour or two watching any rest of world news outlet or the cable news channels that don't depend on advertising (BBC, PBS). The difference is very striking. The ratings and advertising dependent outlets will say most anything to keep the audiences they've cultivated. More than anything else, that means 24/7 Trump.[/QUOTE]So then Why is the chosen one on TV now bragging about how many kits are being made and how many people are being tested? You spoke too soon and without asking the chosen one what he thinks about testing today and not yesterday.

On another post, his handpicked FAA chairman was a former Boeing exec and Trump did not ground planes until the rest of the world had already done so. He didn't feel it was needed just like test kits and ventilators.

We are all going to get up one morning soon and this flu will be gone said the chosen one. Now it's a different story and so it will be again tomorrow.

I got a little lost. I think you are saying big government was going to cause people to die in 737 MAXs before Trump prevented it and there hasn't been enough testing in the US because Trump hasn't gotten to the bottom of it yet?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2438947]Do you remember with the FAA and Boeing and the 737's? The rest of the world was banning their use, and the FAA, which is practically an arm of Boeing, refused to do so. Trump personally had to step in and give the order to ground the planes.
Well, the government agencies, FDA and CDC, appear to have done the same thing. Someone unknown at one of the agencies shut down private companies from making and running their own tests, and the CDC botched the tests they made at first. The virus was not as big of an issue then, and I suspect we will never know the controlling asshole or assholes who made this call, but it did happen under Trump, and he got the blame for it. Once testing was opened up, the number of available tests skyrocketed.

This is one of those things that I bet Trump will get to the bottom of and heads roll on it, and I hope they do. It was really not Trump but a bunch of controlling bureaucrats. Still, he is responsible for what they do.

As for testing, I think it is a double edged sword. If you test positive, you are more likely to isolate. If you test negative, I wonder if people think that they could do whatever they want and think they do not need to isolate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bigstud;2438730]Hey Turd, figures you were a Trump fan, explains a lot! I usually don't respond to posts like yours, but what you said was completely wrong, and potentially dangerous if anyone actually reads it and believes you. .......[/QUOTE]Be nice, he didn't get the memo. The Dork from New York has now switched and said he knew that it was a pandemic all along.

I really wonder how people can believe one thing that the Orange One says one day and then believe the exact opposite thing the next day while denying that there was a change.

I can understand changing your mind when convinced by facts but to deny what was the truth according to Trump one day later because that idiot cannot remember his lies and keep them straight.

The only good thing that will come from this in the US is that it just might wake people up to what a disaster Trump is, however some polls suggest that he is actually gaining in approval ratings.

How many million Americans dead will it take to wake them up?

[QUOTE=ChrisP;2438849]
...Three US-based airlines had stopped flights prior to Trump's January restrictions, but other US and international airlines had not. Trump's early actions reduced the number of corona carriers entering the USA, against the wishes of the democrats and media who claimed it was "racist". If you were impartial you would recognise that fact and applaud him for it....
I didn't "act like he came up with the idea on his own". He listened to his health advisors, and took prompt and decisive action, much more quickly than leaders of other Western nations. That looks like good leadership skills to me...
.[/QUOTE]Are you on drugs? Trump claims 2 weeks ago, that covid19 is a democratic hoax!. If he acted correctly the situation in USA could be much better now. - but no problem, if he can sign the 1200 USD Checks he will be happy and the God choosen President again! It's not a clown. He is the worst criminal in modern history!