Jakarta

[QUOTE=FishFarmer;1750649]Will be heading to Jakarta in August, have read the posts and won't ask any dumb questions (aka "which hotels are guest friendly" but the.

One thing I haven't found is a map or list of regions or addresses for someone who doesn't know Jakarta. Classic? BATS? CJ's? Blok M? Has anyone.

Found (or bothered to make) a map or a list of locations by region / address? Would certainly be helpful to know the layout before choosing a hotel...[/QUOTE]I've noticed when I've been writing reports in recent times that the word wrap doesn't work and so you just get one long line of text that goes of the side off the screen and makes it difficult to see what you've written. Perhaps this is why the 'hard return' has been used?

Last night I brought a girl home from CJ's. She insisted on payment upfront, which I refused. She then says it's the new system now and all of them will start doing the same. I told her to fuck off but she wouldn't go unless I gave her 100 k. It ended up with her breaking a bunch of things in my apartment and me giving her a good slapping until a bunch of cops came over to my place trying to extort money through bogus charges she made (which failed, in case you're wondering).

And the day before I also had one who wouldn't give me a blowjob without a condom. She wanted some money but I told her to fuck off.

I do what any local monger would do and kick them out without paying even the so-called "taxi money" scam.

It's totally unreasonable to be expecting payment upfront (guaranteed recipe for poor service and rushing attitude).

I get the feeling we as foreigners are spoiling them. Guys, you should stop spoiling them and making them feel as though we're their little puppies. This is Indonesia after all. They never do this with the local mongers. Hell, if you were in one of the Kota brothels and the chic insisted on a condom you could change her for another one for free.

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It's totally unreasonable to be expecting payment upfront (guaranteed recipe for poor service and rushing attitude).[/QUOTE]If the girl asked for the money up front, I'd do exactly as you did and send her packing. Paying up front is the norm at the cheaper brothels up north, but as you mentioned, you have the mamasan you can talk to if the girl is not to your liking and she will allow you to switch out the girl. I would never pay a free lancer up front. Not in Indonesia or Thailand.

As far as her asking for 100k taxi money, I think you did the right thing not giving it to her. I would have told her "if you had mentioned in the bar that you wanted the money up front, then I would not have taken you home. It's your own fault that we are not doing business, so I'm not paying your taxi." She knows damn well it's not the norm to ask for the money up front in Jakarta. I give them taxi money when we don't follow through with sex for things that are not the girl's fault, but not if it's their fault. Maybe next time she will be more honest in the bar. A few more customers like you who stand up to her and she will stop asking for money up front.

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[QUOTE=Barri;1751745]To Editor:

Please do not apply the "Text Cleanup Script" (Autocorrect) to every single post. It often thrashes perfectly readable text. Thanks![/QUOTE]So true.

Every time I post a report, I must go back and EDIT it, to clean it up, fix carriage returns, write emoticons and smileys (all removed by the autocorrect). Only after the edit fix the report looks how I wished.

This autocorrect is an option of the forum platform. I think it should be disabled (humble suggestion to Jackson).

[QUOTE=PStevens999;1750728]Fish farmer -- check out Natty Bumpos's excellent 2014 Southeast report-- excellent maps of Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Any chance you have a link to that post at all? Have been searching by user name and can't find a single post.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1751776]This autocorrect is an option of the forum platform. I think it should be disabled (humble suggestion to Jackson).[/QUOTE]Not only is it an option: it is an editable option and the editor of this forum has chosen to act as an old fashioned English teacher and added a lot of "rules" to prevent SMS type posts resulting in a total overkill.

I posted a proposal in the designated forum two years ago, but no reaction from the editor. This proposal showed how the "Text Cleanup Script" garbles well written text.

[URL]=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3473-Please-let-Senior-Members-bypass-The-Forum-s-quot-Text-Cleanup-Script-quot&p=1446868&viewfull=1#post1446868[/URL]

What the script does is really throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

So feel free, PB, to use your personal relation to the editor to lobby (humbly if you like) an improvement!

Here is a link to one part of Natty's awesome report. Couldn't find the maps, but I do remember seeing his maps of Jakarta.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?965-Jakarta/page91[/URL]

Reading the Jakarta reports it seems at Alexis Hotel, Classic Hotel & Malioboro Hotel each session with a girl only includes "1 shot" which is very similar to Macau saunas. In China though, most "sauna" type places allow for 2-3 shots as long as you can finish within the 60-90 mins.

Has anyone had experience negotiating a slightly higher price for 2 shots at Malioboro, Alexis, etc?

Or for 2 shots is the only option with a freelancer LT situation?

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1751215]Last night I brought a girl home from CJ's. She insisted on payment upfront, which I refused. She then says it's the new system now and all of them will start doing the same. I told her to fuck off but she wouldn't go unless I gave her 100 k. It ended up with her breaking a bunch of things in my apartment and me giving her a good slapping until a bunch of cops came over to my place trying to extort money through bogus charges she made (which failed, in case you're wondering).
[/QUOTE]IDR 100 K = USD 8.

You are a brave man to risk dealing with an angry hooker and corrupt cops for such a pittance.

Did you enjoy "giving her a good slapping"?

[QUOTE=WrinkleFree;1752256]Reading the Jakarta reports it seems at Alexis Hotel, Classic Hotel & Malioboro Hotel each session with a girl only includes "1 shot" which is very similar to Macau saunas. In China though, most "sauna" type places allow for 2-3 shots as long as you can finish within the 60-90 mins.

Has anyone had experience negotiating a slightly higher price for 2 shots at Malioboro, Alexis, etc?

Or for 2 shots is the only option with a freelancer LT situation?[/QUOTE]Unless you somehow reach a deal privately with the girl it's only 1 shot. There's no 2 shots at Malioboro, Alexis etc.

[QUOTE=DoubleShooter;1752360]IDR 100 K = USD 8.

You are a brave man to risk dealing with an angry hooker and corrupt cops for such a pittance.

Did you enjoy "giving her a good slapping"?[/QUOTE]It's not about the money it's about the principle. If I had given her the money upfront or the 100 k, she'd go and tell the other hookers at CJ's that they can do the same too with other customers. By refusing to do it their way I am at least contributing to the expectation of good and unrushed service.

And yes the slap felt nice especially after seeing my $150 bottle of wine and other items broken to pieces.

[QUOTE=EgyMonger;1752391]It's not about the money it's about the principle. If I had given her the money upfront or the 100 k, she'd go and tell the other hookers at CJ's that they can do the same too with other customers. By refusing to do it their way I am at least contributing to the expectation of good and unrushed service.

And yes the slap felt nice especially after seeing my $150 bottle of wine and other items broken to pieces.[/QUOTE]I am not too sure about the principle here if it is to contribute to "the expectation of good and unrushed service". One ought to think carefully of "principle" in our hobby. Think of what this hooker may tell her friends about her experience with you. Could that not poison the minds of her friends and their friends against punters from your part of the world? I know it is difficult sometimes but I always try my best to keep control of my emotions in situations like that, especially in a foreign country. An attempt to save $8 could end up with a loss of over $150, or worse.

[QUOTE=WrinkleFree;1752256]Reading the Jakarta reports it seems at Alexis Hotel, Classic Hotel & Malioboro Hotel each session with a girl only includes "1 shot" which is very similar to Macau saunas. In China though, most "sauna" type places allow for 2-3 shots as long as you can finish within the 60-90 mins.

Has anyone had experience negotiating a slightly higher price for 2 shots at Malioboro, Alexis, etc?

Or for 2 shots is the only option with a freelancer LT situation?[/QUOTE]I can't speak about Malioboro or Alexis, but I've always gotten multiple shots at Classic. Sometimes 3 if I can manage it within the 1 hour time frame.

[QUOTE=Lion55;1752527]I can't speak about Malioboro or Alexis, but I've always gotten multiple shots at Classic. Sometimes 3 if I can manage it within the 1 hour time frame.[/QUOTE]I have to admit that I do not know if you can get two shots at Classic. One shot with a starfish is enough for me. If the sex was good, I may stay and try for a second round, but it never is. I am normally glad to leave the room soon after the first shot at Classic.

I do get off two rounds at Maribaya, but those girls actually provide good sex.