East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1866226]On a side note it seems the Kangding road sauna is advertising again on chinese websites for a few days now.

Considering the current situation in Jingan its likely you have to book in advance.[/QUOTE]I am nearly sure they will "lead" finally to another place. I stay just in the neighborhood of that place and also have some contacts there, but my information is, that they closed first, have been able to reopen, than closed again after some weeks. I even yesterday met one of their managers in another sauna in Xu Hui district who confirmed that he need to change because they are still not reopened. Now the status seems to be that they hope to be one of the 3 saunas they would get the permission to forward their business in this district. So I would guess if you try to go there this days, there will come up a "excuse" why you better not go there. But go to her / his new place now!

So at the moment I would be careful if someone want to lead you to the Kang Ding Sauna. It's very normal for this kind of "agents" to use popular sauna places as a "honeypot" to get new potential customers, but that not always mean they really provide an access to that place finally. This guys get paid by each "head" they bring to a sauna, and I know some guys make 100.000 RMB and more a month with that. Some of them spend 30.000 a month for just an advertisement on this kind of Chinese page, so you can imagine how many customers they could get from there in return, if they are willing to spend that amount. So it is also attractive for guys who use faked girls pictures or pretend to work for a popular sauna. Which not available any more.

I can not be 100% sure. Could be they reopened and all my contacts left. But I would recommend to be careful to follow someone who pretend to bring you to the Kang Ding sauna this days.

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;1866226]On a side note it seems the Kangding road sauna is advertising again on chinese websites for a few days now.

Considering the current situation in Jingan its likely you have to book in advance.[/QUOTE]I just checked the mentioned phone number, and in fact it belongs to a manager who called Bobo and he has been working for Kang Ding before, but I am also connected with him by wechat and so I know that he is one of the contacts I am in touch with. And I just now asked, if they are back to business or not, and he told me they are still closed! He know that I have been to this sauna several times, so will not be able to bring me somewhere else, so did not pretend they are reopened yet, but I would guess for "newbies" he would play that game (by the way, the wechat gender is shown as "female", but the person I met by chat with that contact was a male).

Have fun,

Any tips for morning MP or sauna given the latest situation in Jing an area? Preferably close to Hongqiao. Much obliged. PM if you like.

TM.

Hi guys,

It has getting very popular in Shanghai now, that the sauna clubs also provide girls service form girls which will not be 18 yet. At the moment there is nearly no sauna which will not have at least one girl who will not be legal age!

We just realized a serious problem that could come up by that.

Many sauna manager will update their wechat gallery with pictures of their working girls.

And the big problem could be, that they also will provide girls pictures there from their working girls who are not of legal age!

Now I know that there are many guys who just "collect" and store this pictures to get a good overview of the sauna lineup.

But in this sauna collections finally you will nearly always find pictures of this girls in sexy outfit, combined with the sex service they offer, sometimes even topless or naked.

If you pass a border with this pictures on your devices (or you get another "raid" because of any reason), you will in worst case be involved in a child porn crime (we already have been faced to topless pictures of girls who have been listed by an age of 13 years)! Which could end up with many years in jail suddenly! So we would recommend to be very careful with this pictures and check and clean your "collection" regarding to this topic.

Without some Chinese skills sometimes not easy to find the age, because they will use different ways to write it, so here some help to find the right pictures:

17年 is easy, it just means she is 17 years old.

99岁 or 00岁 means she has been born in the year 1999 or 2000, so definitely not old enough for collect her picture.

More tricky will be the "Chinese way" to describe the age literally:

蛋 蛋 后 means "before the eggs" and describe the age of a girl born in 2000 or later.

So better be careful, play safe and not bring yourself in trouble with this stuff accidentally.

[QUOTE=Trawlerman;1866473]Any tips for morning MP or sauna given the latest situation in Jing an area? Preferably close to Hongqiao. Much obliged. PM if you like.

TM.[/QUOTE]Got plenty of suggestions. Thanks for responding so quickly!

TM.

[QUOTE=Shanghai Guide;1866346]I am nearly sure they will "lead" finally to another place. I stay just in the neighborhood of that place and also have some contacts there, but my information is, that they closed first, have been able to reopen, than closed again after some weeks.[/QUOTE]

Yep its quite possible considering the current lockdown context in Jing'an. Like I said I don't partake in Sauna scene so I didn't check it myself, just letting people know if they want to check it.
As you said its likely they will be directed to another place where the manager is connected.

Hello friends! I will be in the SCAMHAI area the next week and wanted to check on the whether forecast. I have been informed by a sauna owner in Jing'an that there is a storm on the horizon. In that case I am wondering if I should just go to Nanjing road where there are many nice ladies who offer to take guys like me from the US to "secret" massage bars.

What is the best thing to do whilst the storm makes its way thru the SCAMHAI area?

Thank you in advance for all your profound knowledge!

H1.

Best and safest place to go pickup pretty girl. About 10 pm on.

Manhattan bar.

Judy's 2nd best.

WeChat works good.

You will do fine.

Rainman!

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1866958]Hello friends! I will be in the SCAMHAI area the next week and wanted to check on the whether forecast. I have been informed by a sauna owner in Jing'an that there is a storm on the horizon. In that case I am wondering if I should just go to Nanjing road where there are many nice ladies who offer to take guys like me from the US to "secret" massage bars.

What is the best thing to do whilst the storm makes its way thru the SCAMHAI area?

Thank you in advance for all your profound knowledge!

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Jingan still has many options. The powers that be are only playing the whack a mole game. I had a nice BBBJ for 258. Others report the same to me via pm.

I just completed my first 3 nights and 2 full days in Shanghai. I had no obligations this week so I was only hampered by the long flights from the East Coast and the 12-hour time change. I only point this out because my report really is just a recon relation. I hope to do better when I return next week, assuming the Formula 1 race doesn't screw up the whole city.

First, of all of the cities I have read and reported in, this board was the most difficult to decipher. I RTTF for the entire calendar years of 2015 and 2016. Then, when I realized I didn't know anything, I went back further. All of this cryptic stuff took a little getting used to. And, my friend, Jackson must be pleased because the senior members seem determined to reward those who contribute to his Buenos Aires lifestyle. That's fine, lots of fun times there.

Anyway, this is what I inferred from all of the reading.

MPs: price range $250-$350 plus $100-$200 gringo exploitation for the girl to get naked. Seems to include shower, massage, cat-licking and pretend rimming. These seem to be under a great deal of LE pressure. LE would prefer to be weathermen, so, in Chinese tradition, any reference to them must be disguised as a meteorological euphemism.

SAUNAS: Seems like MPs where FS is implied. Price range $700-$1500.

KTV: Serious mystery. Must be discussed more in 2013 and before. From what little is written, it seems like low-rent FKK or (Brazilian) termas. No idea about pricing.

CLUBS: Only ones widely discussed are Judy's and Manhattan. The girls in Judy's were asking $1000 the night I was there, up to 1500 on weekends. Manhattan reportedly an additional 500.

All prices are in RMB. For a quick conversion to you $ dollars, add half and remove a zero. 1000= 1000+500 = 1500. Then, $150.00 after removing the zero.

This is intended to inspire somebody to post a nice overview.

On to my specific experience (or lack thereof).

During the day, I walked down the long shopping street that ends up at the river very near the "sightseeing pedestrian tunnel," poorly-named as it is actually a really lame ride under the river through lights. Anyway, it is a long street with large stores on both sides and is pedestrian except for the pretend "sightseeing trains" which are also poorly-named. The only sightseeing from these kiddie cars packed with adults are the pedestrians narrowly escaping death as they jump out of the way. During my brisk walk down Nanjing Rd, at least 9 different promoters approached me showing me the identical cards with girls on them. I didn't catch the name of the place, but, in a world where a bunch of foreign mongers communicate in code on a board whose servers are in Germany, these promoters are extremely public and brash. I didn't follow any of them.

Judy's on a weeknight. For those who use Google Maps, two Judy's come up. They have a website to be sure you have the correct address. It is the one farther from Manhattan's if that counts. It is a dingy place, similar to a past-its-prime Midwestern strip club. There is a fairly large stage above a bar situated along one wall of the rectangular room. Tables are laid out systematically throughout the rest of the room. There is an upstairs, but it was closed the night we were there.

Arrived at 915 pm. We were 2 of the first 10 customers. I counted 20 girls initially. By 10:30, I did another headcount and observed 30. I spoke to approximately 10 girls. All said they were from Vietnam. They ranged from early 20's to mid-30's. The majority were early to mid 20's. None was offensive, most were doable, and about 1 in 5 were quite nice. I was offered companionship back to my place by several, all started at 1000. As I was not interested, I did not counter or inquire further. I was SO TIRED.

By 9:45, a Philippine band took the stage. They played classic rock tunes. So-so, but at least they weren't terribly loud. That, along with the intense cigarette smoke that made it hard to see the oversized "no smoking" sign would have made the place intolerable. Beers were 40 RMB ($6. 00).

The next afternoon, I went on a trek to find Buddha. Unfortunately, assuming the pictures I included are of the correct establishment, it is still closed after last month's "weather storm. " The two places a block or two west were open, but I opted not to backtrack and gave up. The only thing I have to say about Buddha is that it's a very inconvenient metro connection and walk from Pudong. My goal is to find something along the #2 Line.

So, I'll be in town a second time for fun Tuesday night April 19. If anyone would like to have a beer and a wingman, let me know. Otherwise, I'll expand my explorations some now that I've figured out some map alternatives and am conditioning myself not to have phone data every second.

FT.

Great extract of all the posts from past 15 months! This does help newbies like me a lot.

I will fly in by beginning of May and did some planning based on the past reports and SNG. I feel like having a solid base of knowledge but you never know till you're confronted with the situation.

Anyone being there on the weekend of May 7th can PM me to hook up for a beer at Judy's.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1866572]

Many sauna manager will update their wechat gallery with pictures of their working girls.

And the big problem could be, that they also will provide girls pictures there from their working girls who are not of legal age!

[/QUOTE]Thanks for the potential child porn update, I have never thought about that.

I guess partly because I prefer more mature looking ladies, so even if they are not of legal age and they manage to fool me.

I doubt any reasonable LE will believe she is not of legal age.

Better yet, I am not into collecting pictures, trophies whatever.

I would prefer to have zero evidence on my phone that suggests I ever went to one.

[QUOTE=FullThrottle;1867074]I just completed my first 3 nights and 2 full days in Shanghai. I had no obligations this week so I was only hampered by the long flights from the East Coast and the 12-hour time change. I only point this out because my report really is just a recon relation. I hope to do better when I return next week, assuming the Formula 1 race doesn't screw up the whole city.

FT.[/QUOTE]Good job, it is obvious you have done your homework. PM me directly if I can help in anyway. Look at the SNG website for his escorts. They come to your hotel and some girls end up on specials. 999 for an hour and typically 1200-1700 for two hours. They have some reviews on them and I have found them as good as any of the viets. The viets can be a lottery however. I will say 90% of the viets I have bedded were worth what I paid. I have taken girls from 22-35 years old. Although I like the 22 year olds, I seem to have a better time with the 35 year olds.

KTVs had a lot of write ups years ago. Its more of a place to go with friends to play drinking games with the girls and take them for take out. If you are thinking FKK, you will be really disappointed. If you are traveling single, steer clear. It took me years to understand it and really doesn't work for me anyway.

I prefer Judy's over Manhattans. The girls seem nicer and less business like. It might just be there bar but the girls I have taken from there were more fun. Could be more coincidence than reality.

Stay safe. Now get out there and get some and tell us about it!

Sam.

[QUOTE=SamCan;1867178]Good job, it is obvious you have done your homework. PM me directly if I can help in anyway. Look at the SNG website for his escorts. They come to your hotel and some girls end up on specials. 999 for an hour and typically 1200-1700 for two hours. They have some reviews on them and I have found them as good as any of the viets. The viets can be a lottery however. I will say 90% of the viets I have bedded were worth what I paid. I have taken girls from 22-35 years old. Although I like the 22 year olds, I seem to have a better time with the 35 year olds.

KTVs had a lot of write ups years ago. Its more of a place to go with friends to play drinking games with the girls and take them for take out. If you are thinking FKK, you will be really disappointed. If you are traveling single, steer clear. It took me years to understand it and really doesn't work for me anyway.

I prefer Judy's over Manhattans. The girls seem nicer and less business like. It might just be there bar but the girls I have taken from there were more fun. Could be more coincidence than reality.

Stay safe. Now get out there and get some and tell us about it!

Sam.[/QUOTE]Full Throttle- In addition to Sam's excellent insight, please keep in mind that saunas are not simply higher priced massage parlors. ("Seems like MPs where FS is implied. ") Sauna girls are clearly higher-end that those in MPs. In fact, girl-for-dollar, Shanghai saunas are even somewhat competitive with Thailand, depending how you look at it. Thailand can get much pricier for a never-pregnant, young hot thing. Again, not everyone wants to spend $200 or more for an hour, but saunas have their niche.

[QUOTE=Hobbiest1;1866958]Hello friends! I will be in the SCAMHAI area the next week and wanted to check on the whether forecast. I have been informed by a sauna owner in Jing'an that there is a storm on the horizon. In that case I am wondering if I should just go to Nanjing road where there are many nice ladies who offer to take guys like me from the US to "secret" massage bars.

What is the best thing to do whilst the storm makes its way thru the SCAMHAI area?

Thank you in advance for all your profound knowledge!

H1.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Knowing how much you dislike scams, I would definitely advise you to NOT go to Nanjing Lu or any of the popular tourist areas. The scammers tend to look for people who do not appear to be local or knowledgeable of their scams.

A saying I like is: "If you don't like the taste, don't eat the food. " If you don't want to be scammed, don't go where the scammers hang out.