American Politics

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2741387][QUOTE=Canada;2741310]IRS sees his tax returns every year. At least he pays taxes. You don't! He employs thousands of people and is an incredible asset to America. You don't pay taxes and aren't. It doesn't matter if he is a billionaire or not. He is much more successful than you.[/QUOTE]I probably pay more taxes than Trump does. As do you.

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[URL]https://youtu.be/BJ0vPIo9eyY[/URL][/QUOTE] As if Donnie J. Dummkopf paid his "real" taxes (...kkkk!). The only taxes I, see him paying, are those commensurate with any tax cheating grifter, which probably ain't much.

Only the [b]QAnon\Repub\Bothsidesists[/b] Trump-Humping, "slave-hordes", would believe that Trump actually made money at any of his businesses, to the tune of a billion dollars. Perhaps they took their schooling at Trump University (another failure, BTW).

If Donnie J. Dummkopf (aka.Agent Orange), is in fact now a billionaire, he only become one in the last 4-5 years.

Meaning he become a billionaire, primarily through two (2) grifts. [b]First,[/b] from WH under the table bribes from places like Saudi Arabia, Russia, Turkey ...etc, most likely for those top secret/classified documents (illegally obtained), that he left behind in his hotel room while visiting.

[b]Secondly,[/b] on the "backs of slave-hordes" of the QAnon/Repub/Bothsiderists feckless cult-faithless. With all the [i]MAGA "Save America", "Stop the Steal" or "...If you UNCHECK this (monthly contribution) box, we will tell Trump, you're a DEFECTOR and have sided with the Dems"[/i] email campaigns, he was able to bilk hundreds of millions from his [b]gullible donors.[/b]

So thanks to the grifting while in office the gullible orange cult-faithless, yeah...I think he's a billionaire, now.

[QUOTE=Canada;2741879]No comparison. Everything was better under Trump presidency than it is today. There is not one thing better on Biden presidency for law abiding USA citizens. On the other hand if you are in USA illegally or are a criminal then yes everything is better than Trump. If you are a terrorist country or hate the USA then yes the Biden presidency is better for you. Yes if you are China or Russia then things are better for you with Biden presidency. But the majority of Americans are not here illegally or are not criminals so Trump presidency was far better for them. Possibly you fall into one of the above scenarios that make the Biden presidency good for you.[/QUOTE]You are right especially about the illegals and criminals thinking Biden presidency is better than Trump. California proves this point. And yes it is a huge benefit for our enemies like the Taliban and Iran. Biden gave the Taliban $85 Billion in advanced weapons and Biden continues to support Iran even though Iran says death to America. There is a huge possibility that the people who dispute this will be illegals, criminals or foreigners.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2741886]Your example [B]does not reflect[/B] what actually happened, does it? It seems rather disingenuous to make up with an example that supports your position. But that's what you do, isn't it? The federal minimum wage was introduced be a Democrat in the late 1930's. Repubs have never actually lowered it, not once. So your example is BS.

The "real world" federal minimum wage ought to be about $21 USD per hour if the minimum wage were tied to productivity which it used to be prior to 1968) although probably quite unintentionally). [URL]https://cepr.net/this-is-what-minimum-wage-would-be-if-it-kept-pace-with-productivity/[/URL].

In truth, the federal minimum wage has been raised 23 times since it was introduced. Can you hazard a guess as to how many of those 23 times Republicans had control of Congress? 2 (two) times. The means twice. It also means that 21 out of 23 times the minimum wage was raised when Democrats had control of Congress. That means that over 90% of the time. Democrats raised the minimum wage and less than 10% of the time Republicans raised the minimum wage. [URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/feb/14/facebook-posts/yes-democrats-held-majority-almost-every-time-cong/[/URL].

I have already said that the minimum wage ought to be higher. And yes, Democrats ought to shoulder some of the blame for that. However, the current crop of Republicans (the "just say no" crowd) has refused to do any actual governing since 2008. They have continually voted against raising the minimum wage to anything near what it ought to be. Please feel free to provide any examples whatsoever to the contrary. That means [B]actual examples[/B] where Republican Senators and Congresspeople have said something like "I believe that the Federal minimum wage ought to be well over $15 per hour".[/QUOTE]I agree that minimum wage should be on productivity and it is in most republican states. If it were on productivity everywhere republican workers will be making $25 per hour and democrats $5 or less. You are right dead beat lazy democrats should be paid on productivity and many states do pay them that way.

Be careful out there, many of those putas are fake.

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/florida-prostitution-sting/2022/09/09/id/1086822/[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2741886]Your example [B]does not reflect[/B] what actually happened, does it?.[/QUOTE]It wasn't meant to, was it?

You said smthg was not possible based on me using the word "reverse". I showed you how it ws. My example was effectivlety what has happened, regardless of my lack of intention to make it so. Your rebuttal was against federal wage changes. My original question and explanation wwas about real wage changes / different beast.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2741930]Dems have raised the minimim wage IN THE USA many times over the years, quite recently in fact, in some of the most highly populated cities and states IN THE USA.[/QUOTE]Raised the minimum wage, but the real minimum wage has is now lower than 60 years ago. I never said they hadn't increased the min wage. I am referring to REAL min wage. The link I gave you in my original post was quite clear what I was talking about. You even referred to it and acknowledged it yourself. You're the one that is trying to shoft the goal posts again and discuss smthg else so you can avoid the issue at hand.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2742040]Raised the minimum wage, but the real minimum wage has is now lower than 60 years ago. I never said they hadn't increased the min wage. I am referring to REAL min wage. The link I gave you in my original post was quite clear what I was talking about. You even referred to it and acknowledged it yourself. You're the one that is trying to shoft the goal posts again and discuss smthg else so you can avoid the issue at hand.[/QUOTE]Play all the pro Repub "Bothsider" word games you want, it won't change that fact that you are wrong about Dems re the minimum wage:

[B]U.S. minimum wage: real and nominal value 1938-2022[/B]

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1065466/real-nominal-value-minimum-wage-us/[/URL]

[QUOTE]When adjusted for inflation, the 2022 federal minimum wage in the United States is around 40 percent lower than the minimum wage in 1970. [b]Although the real dollar minimum wage in 1970 was only 1.60 U.S. dollars, when expressed in nominal 2022 dollars this increases to 12.04 U.S. dollars. [/b]A large difference from the federal minimum wage in 2022 of 7.25 U.S. dollars.[/QUOTE][B]Blue State Minimum Wages Inch Upward, Widening Gap With South
May 24, 2022[/B]

[URL]https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/blue-state-minimum-wages-inch-upward-widening-gap-with-south[/URL]

[QUOTE] As California, D.C. [b]top $15, Hawaii bill sets $18 floor.[/b]

20 states hold steady at federal rate of $7.25.

A grocery store cashier whos guaranteed $15 per hour in California can legally be paid $7.25 in Texas and 19 other statesa gap in state minimum wages thats set to widen further in the year ahead.
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California, the District of Columbia, and much of New York already require wages of $15 per hour or more. Massachusetts, and likely Washington state, will join them in 2023. And California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) announced earlier this month that his states minimum wage is expected to rise to $15.50 next January, as an inflation-based adjustment.
[/QUOTE]Now, let's see you wiggle, squirm and pretzel twist out a pro Repub "Bothsider" case for $15 - $18 being less than $12.04.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2742038]It wasn't meant to, was it?

You said smthg was not possible based on me using the word "reverse". I showed you how it ws. My example was effectivlety what has happened, regardless of my lack of intention to make it so. Your rebuttal was against federal wage changes. My original question and explanation wwas about real wage changes / different beast.[/QUOTE]I have resisted trying to explain to someone who doesn't live in the US about how the Federal legislative system works. But since you seem hell-bent on trying to "prove" that Dems are even dumber than Re, here is some food for thought.

In the US, the Senate must pass legislation in order for it to be approved. The general procedure is that the House of Representatives passes a "bill" and then the Senate makes changes (or not), the bill is "negotiated" between the two houses and then the bill is either passed or not by the Senate.

The key issue here, and one that almost nobody understands, is that for the Senate to "pass" anything (with a few exceptions like a budget or judgeships or a few very other very narrow exceptions) [B]requires 60 (now, but prior to 1975, 66) votes[/B]. That's called the [B]filibuster[/B].

Therefore, for the Democrats to pass any type of minimum wage increase, they would need (assuming no Re help) a filibuster-proof majority. Something they last had in 1975.

I realize that this is a difficult concept top understand but that's the way the process works. If a sufficient number of Re want to block something in the Senate, Democrats still need to get (at present) 12 Re/ Independent Senators (there are 48 Democrats in the Senate, 2 Independents and 50 Re) to vote for it (assuming, of course, that all Democrats are "for" the bill).

When one political party says, in essence, "we don't give a shit what it is, we're voting against it even if our constituents want it", it is virtually impossible to get anything done.

[URL]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-democrats-cant-do-as-long-as-the-filibuster-remains-in-place-and-what-they-can/[/URL] [URL]https://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/28/a-look-back-at-the-last-filibuster-proof-majority-in-the-senate/[/URL].

[QUOTE=CaliGuy;2741982]I agree that minimum wage should be on productivity and it is in most republican states. If it were on productivity everywhere republican workers will be making $25 per hour and democrats $5 or less. You are right dead beat lazy democrats should be paid on productivity and many states do pay them that way.[/QUOTE]Sure thing. Now provide proof of your fantasy.

I'll wait.

Oh, and please tell me why Re-run states have for years taken more in Federal money than they've paid to the Feds. After all, of all of those Re- run states were so productive, they should be giving more to the Feds than they get back.

[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/09/biden-administration-engaged-in-a-massive-censorship-campaign/[/URL]

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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2742098]
Now, let's see you wiggle, squirm and pretzel twist out a pro Repub "Bothsider" case for $15 - $18 being less than $12.04.[/QUOTE]No wiggling necessary from me. I am still here waiting for you to address the subject I raised, which is the national / federal minum wage. All the wiggling and squirming is clearly being done by yoy since you try to change the subject with every post.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2742217]
The key issue here, .. called the [B]filibuster[/B].
Something they last had in 1975.

I realize that this is a difficult concept top understand...
[/QUOTE]It might be difficult to understand to a USAn that suffers from underfunded state education. That's fine. I will go easy on you.

The filibuster. Right, so this is an EXPLANATION, a reason why the Dems have got nothing useful done. So your agreeing with me that the Dems have got nothing useful done. So we agree now that they have an appalling track record, especially in modern history? So why does ET bang on in every comment he makes about how superb have been the Dem acheivements?

Well, who knows, at least you and I agree now that the Dems have done nothing useful since 1975.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2742364]No wiggling necessary from me. I am still here waiting for you to address the subject I raised, which is the national / federal minum wage. All the wiggling and squirming is clearly being done by yoy since you try to change the subject with every post.[/QUOTE]Raising the minimum wage has been desired by most or all democrats. Raising the minimum wage is opposed by nearly all republicans.

JustTK: Why do you hold Democrats responsible for the minimum wage falling in purchasing value?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2742364]No wiggling necessary from me. I am still here waiting for you to address the subject I raised, which is the national / federal minum wage. All the wiggling and squirming is clearly being done by yoy since you try to change the subject with every post.[/QUOTE]What are you talking about? Do you even know? I provided substantiation that replied to your inaccurate pro Repub "Bothsiderism" contention and destroyed it from the very beginning.

Dems ARE and HAVE BEEN raising the minimum wage, the "real" one, the "nominal" one, both of them all along for years. Even the "blahblah" one you no doubt will conjure up next in order to justify suckers voting for your beloved Repubs so they can continue their mission to wipe out millions of USA jobs whenever they can.

The Dems do it where they can do it. Where they can override persistent Repub objections to it. Therefore, they do it at the state and local level rather than in the Senate where outright Repubs and wiggly, squirmy, stealth "Bothsider" Repubs like you have foolishly been given too many seats to get it done there.

As you see in the link that I provided twice already the Dems have done it in California, New York, Massachusetts, the District of Columbia and elsewhere, places that damn near represent half of the working population of America anyway. Certainly some of the only states that matter to the national economy; Blue states where human beings far outnumber rattle snakes and tumble weeds and where there are more skyscrapers and office buildings than outhouses, unlike most Red states.

If the "Real" minimum wage had not been raised so effectively by Dems around the country over the objections of Repubs, Trump could not have cited it in the data when he lied to his sucker followers about it having a damn thing to do with his otherwise crap economy. And Repubs would have no basis to whine and complain that there is "too much money" flooding the roaring Biden economy during his historic recovery from the latest (say it with me now) Great Repub Recession and Massive Job Destruction.