Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Huacho;2917242]Then how come only a minority of women do it? And how come their ugly cousin works in a laundry or at McD's? Fifty years of mongering in LatAm makes me think there is a lot more to it.[/QUOTE]It is still frowned on. The ugly cousin may not have had an option to make good money at it. But there may be a beautiful cousin that never got started into it either. Because they didn't think it was a good thing to do. I know a family like that. The one that chose to never do sex for money lives a very very modest life, mid to late 30's, still at home. Helps with a bit of rent to mother, but life is work, work, rice and beans, and a bottle of red wine every 2 or 3 weeks. 2 other sisters are / were working girls, when they were childless and relatively young the money was more than enough to meet basic needs, they could work a few days and take a week off. Basically not getting ahead but an easier life. But once there is a kid, or more, all changes. Within families nothing is free. Mom babysits, but because daughter makes money mom needs money, and really does. So in the end the working girls ends up supporting several family members and is no where ahead of the one that stayed out of prostitution in the first place.

[QUOTE=Hobo3;2917317]
On facebook tons of girls are gone and there are barely girls advertising now. Its like only the fuglies remain. I did find one keeper, she was 20 yr old spinner. I am very very discreet and checked her ID. 20 minutes after she arrives, I hear the loudest banging on my door and it's 4 police officers! They came in furious, screaming asking questions. Apparently, a lady in the building called the cops. Now the girl who was aggressive in negotiating played victim. They asked for her ID and it was fake! Luckily she turned out to be 18 and she was just too lazy to get her own ID but what a terrible experience. What if she was 17? I would've gone to jail and my face would've been all over the news. They took pictures of me. All the neighbors were in the hallways wondering what was going on. It was 3 hour debacle.
[/QUOTE]How much for the girl? Was the savings worth the hassle?

Personally, I am happy to pay the 600 K La Isla charges because I know that a bunch of cops are not going to knock on my door in the middle of me having sex and take pictures of me.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2917450]
The Colombia laws are also tricky. Colombia law allows seizure of the property if someone is caught within the property with a minor. It is not worth the risk, for the owner or the renter.

Question: how did you handle the phone search question? do they have the legal right to search your phone as you're entering the country? I don't know the answer to this. I know USA CBP does have the right. What do they expect to find on your phone that could get you in trouble? Let's say you have compromising photos of you and some other women on your phone, so what? How did they know that the people in the photos are not 18? Or do you think they asked you for your phone just to mess with you? Does anyone know answers to these questions?[/QUOTE]Vitrea, you are not a citizen. If the police perceive you as a threat, they can do what they want. The question about seizure has to do with whether or not they need a warrant or not. You can seize anything with a warrant. So whether customs needs a warrant or not, and my guess is they do not, is just an issue of semantics.

They are searching your phone to deny you entry to their country so ask yourself what would customs see to prevent you from entering.

And if you see google's timeline feature, it is really damned accurate about where you have been. It is super easy track your prior locations, and I suspect customs will get to that soon. Obviously, you should shut off that feature on your phone but you can still be tracked even if you turn it off.

So if you have been going to Colombia and mongering before, don't even bother cleaning up your phone. Get a new phone and new number before entering. And once you get to Colombia, leave that phone in your hotel and use a burner phone when mongering.

[QUOTE=BenTiger07;2917460]What is the current going rate for the overpriced tourists spots you mentioned? Parque, isla, loutron, etc.

I heard it has gone up alot in just 2 yrs.[/QUOTE]I know in parque lleras and the surrounding area the street girls are starting out around 250 k pesos now. However there have been reports that some are asking in dollars for $100 usd.

In Gustos it has been reported here that girls quote in dollars as high as $300 usd for one hour of service. (probably the single most tourist price you can get in Medellin).

I don't frequent these places so I'm just going off of what has been reported here or what women who work both Centro and Poblado have told me. One guy recently posted that he spent $150 usd at la isla for some 10 minute bullshit service and Loutron has been mentioned as a tourist trap for newbies with high prices as well.

As I said plaza botero, Parque Berrio Metro station in the stairways, coffee girls, candy girls, and now apparently water girls are also doing "ratos" you just have to ask. CRA 53 backside of the museum and across the street where the bars are. Also Centro clubs such as Barra Ejecutiva Grill Nueva and Conejitos will offer more reasonable prices if you want the club atmosphere.

Gabacho Out.

[QUOTE=TonyEm;2917437]Where exactly in Itagui?[/QUOTE]There are 2 or 3 of them nearby each other next to the main square (parque). Plus Club International on the main highway.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2917399]That is funny.

If you want to bang Colombian women, go to Bogota where this shit is not going on. Or at the very least, fly into Bogota and go to Medellin after.[/QUOTE]Wasn't a "plan" to avoid the tourism police or whatever. But it worked out that way. I land in BOG, then fly with GF to Medellin. Do tours together. We are registered at nice Airbnb in Laurelles / also Dann Carlton. Except for my phone pics. (I need to hide those from her anyway). LOL what could go wrong? She's 23 - I look 50 ish.. in my mind, I'm 29. LOL I will get wheelchair thru customs. I doubt they will check anything. I will say she is my nurse. Maybe hide the handcuffs etc. Fuk Tijuana I will report. In July.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2917042] But at a strip club 2 blocks from the nutty (and thus 2 streets from Centro) it was 80 mil for Medio with bbj. 100 mil for BBFS. It was the one where you enter the rooms through the dj booth. It's near Centro.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2917178]Which club did you get 100 K BBFS?[/QUOTE]It sound familiar based on you have to go through or more likely squat down to an opening in the dj booth. Its probably the one near Conjitos on Calle 53 across from Parque Botero. It's just a few spots before you hit the corner and make your way to cross the street to Hotel Nutibara. Getting BBFS there or any of these strip clubs is just a stroke of luck. It's not a given. I was there last year and very surprised it was still open. I was there once and that was a very long time ago and I remember bending down to go through low doorway in the DJ booth. The rooms if I remember were horrible. The only el Centro strip club that had any decent rooms was Conejitos.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2917576]It sound familiar based on you have to go through or more likely squat down to an opening in the dj booth. Its probably the one near Conjitos on Calle 53.The only el Centro strip club that had any decent rooms was Conejitos.[/QUOTE]Probably Grill Avenida. But could be Victoria too. Both have ducking access to the rooms. Actually Victoria just upgraded the access to theirs a few weeks ago. Hilton Bar also has decent rooms.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2917110]No. I was in Medellin last week and had no problem entering through airport immigration, however I am in my late 60's. I did notice many younger males in line and they slowed down the process quite a bit. The young, single males in line were getting questioned much more at the front booth and this made it much longer to get through. Heck, 75% of the non-Colombian airline passengers were young men 20-30, probably sex tourists![/QUOTE]Sadly, these guys are not doing anyone any favors. Last time I had three 'bros' from Chicago in line behind me. One had a wifebeater t-shirt, shorts, crocks, fake Rolex, Prada backpack. Another was traveling in sweats and loud t-shirt. All three had diamond earrings and excessive necklaces. All three were loud and talking about how they would have to hide their jewelry before the 'bitches took their shit', all the partying they were going to do, some 'buddy' who was going to hook them up, etc. Yes, those actual words, no respect, no class, no care, all ego. I was honestly ashamed and embarrassed to be in front of them and I don't think I would have been upset if they were grilled at immigration. When I walked to the agent (female) and I saw that she clearly was looking past me at the 'bros' with a concerned face, I said an "Ay Dios mio!" exasperated statement with rolling eyes, she smiled at me, and then I was super polite (rest was in English), and she stamped me right in. What delay they may have faced, no clue.

My advice, as always, is when traveling to a foreign country. Blend in. Aim to look, not like a local as that may not be possible, but at least as an expatriate who lives there. Dress like they do, be calm, don't be loud, and above all be super respectful. It goes a long way. They will more readily accept you as 'one of them' and your trip will be exponentially more pleasant.

[QUOTE=Hobo3;2917317]...... I did find one keeper, she was 20 yr old spinner. I am very very discreet and checked her ID. 20 minutes after she arrives, I hear the loudest banging on my door and it's 4 police officers! They came in furious, screaming asking questions. Apparently, a lady in the building called the cops........[/QUOTE]I find it difficult to understand why she would call the cops if there was no noise coming from your apartment.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2917589]Sadly, these guys are not doing anyone any favors. Last time I had three 'bros' from Chicago in line behind me. One had a wifebeater t-shirt, shorts, crocks, fake Rolex, Prada backpack. Another was traveling in sweats and loud t-shirt. All three had diamond earrings and excessive necklaces. All three were loud and talking about how they would have to hide their jewelry before the 'bitches took their shit', all the partying they were going to do, some 'buddy' who was going to hook them up, etc. Yes, those actual words, no respect, no class, no care, all ego. ... What delay they may have faced, no clue.

My advice, as always, is when traveling to a foreign country. Blend in. Aim to look, not like a local as that may not be possible, but at least as an expatriate who lives there. Dress like they do, be calm, don't be loud, and above all be super respectful. It goes a long way. They will more readily accept you as 'one of them' and your trip will be exponentially more pleasant.[/QUOTE]Yes, I have noticed most of the Americans in El Pobado wear short pants. I have told many of the NYC gentlemen to get rid of their gold chains and flashy jewelry and hide their cell phone or they will be snatched by some Colombian thief on a motorcycle or by one with a knife. Colombians all wear long pants as a sign of respect and few can afford flashy watches and gold chains. And please leave your "boom boxes" at home. I have seen many playing "ghetto" music loudly from their boom boxes while walking on Avenida 43 in El Poblado. It disturbs me and I am sure it disturbs the Colombians more.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2917607]I find it difficult to understand why she would call the cops if there was no noise coming from your apartment.[/QUOTE]Could be for a wide variety of reasons ranging from maybe the chic looked young to the neighbor just hates foreigners bringing girls to the Airbnb.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2917468]How much for the girl? Was the savings worth the hassle?

Personally, I am happy to pay the 600 K La Isla charges because I know that a bunch of cops are not going to knock on my door in the middle of me having sex and take pictures of me.[/QUOTE]It comes down to the service level and the cost is secondary. What you do not know is that you are paying a lot more for a very limited service and limited time. If you are happy, then good for you. La Isla used to cost less than half of what it costs now and with better service at all levels for a single person. The same thing can be said about Loutron.

For that amount of money, some can get 2 to stay all night with little restriction, and maybe not worse looking girls too.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2917399]That is funny. I thought all the veterans here said the only one having problems with Colombian customs in Medellin was me.

[/QUOTE]As much as I hate to admit it, maybe Elvis was right and I was wrong. Maybe they are targeting single male gringos going thru migration Colombia. That has never been my experience, although I usually go thru Bogota more often than I go thru Medellin.

That being said if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't have a problem. As Elvis mentioned if you want to take extra precautions it wouldn't hurt to have a new phone and leave your personal phone at home.

This guy hobo3 wasnt doing anything wrong, he even asked the girl for her cedula and tried his best to make sure she was not underage, and yet the neighbors still made a fuss and then the police show up at his place making a whole scene as if he was a criminal.

A word of advice would be to maybe not bring girls back to your place for now atleast until the heat dies down. Maybe just visit establishments that are on-site or short time hotels that are designated for mongering activities, then atleast you avoid the disgruntled neighbors and police banging on your door wanting to take your photograph.

Or even better yet check out other areas of the country besides Medellin. As Elvis mentioned, Bogota is great, I have also had great times in Cucuta as well. If you like vennies there are many of them to be had there. Of course if you like dark chocolate, then Cali is worth checking out as well. And last but not least, the eje cafetero region while smaller and slower paced does have some gems to found in places like Armenia and Pereira.

Remember to Monger, but monger Safely.

Gabacho Out.

Yes, it's normally going to be some combination of those two factors. A good way to limit that sort of scrutiny is to avoid walking in and out with girls so you aren't the star of the building administration's security camera shows (yes, building administrators typically look over security footage on a regular basis). Local girls are much less conspicuous coming and going alone than they are when they come and go with an older punter in tow.

[QUOTE=Goped28;2917631]Could be for a wide variety of reasons ranging from maybe the chic looked young to the neighbor just hates foreigners bringing girls to the Airbnb.[/QUOTE]

I don't see loud music upsetting Colombians, if they notice it all. It bothers the hell out of me but I'm not Colombian and I don't put loudspeakers facing outside my apartment windows at all hours the way Colombians do.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2917615]Yes, I have noticed most of the Americans in El Pobado wear short pants. I have told many of the NYC gentlemen to get rid of their gold chains and flashy jewelry and hide their cell phone or they will be snatched by some Colombian thief on a motorcycle or by one with a knife. Colombians all wear long pants as a sign of respect and few can afford flashy watches and gold chains. And please leave your "boom boxes" at home. I have seen many playing "ghetto" music loudly from their boom boxes while walking on Avenida 43 in El Poblado. It disturbs me and I am sure it disturbs the Colombians more.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2917615]Yes, I have noticed most of the Americans in El Pobado wear short pants. I have told many of the NYC gentlemen to get rid of their gold chains and flashy jewelry and hide their cell phone or they will be snatched by some Colombian thief on a motorcycle or by one with a knife. Colombians all wear long pants as a sign of respect and few can afford flashy watches and gold chains. And please leave your "boom boxes" at home. I have seen many playing "ghetto" music loudly from their boom boxes while walking on Avenida 43 in El Poblado. It disturbs me and I am sure it disturbs the Colombians more.[/QUOTE]Nah. Walk around the malls you'll see plenty of Colombians wearing shorts. Why wear pants and long sleeve shirts when its 80 degrees outside? Its silly. Anyways be yourself. Your a gringo whether you wear pants or shorts.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2917589]…….

My advice, as always, is when traveling to a foreign country. Blend in. Aim to look, not like a local as that may not be possible, but at least as an expatriate who lives there. Dress like they do, be calm, don't be loud, and above all be super respectful. It goes a long way. They will more readily accept you as 'one of them' and your trip will be exponentially more pleasant.[/QUOTE]Your advice could not be more spot-on.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2917242]Then how come only a minority of women do it? And how come their ugly cousin works in a laundry or at McD's? Fifty years of mongering in LatAm makes me think there is a lot more to it.[/QUOTE]The same reason we're not rocket scientists or billionaires; we don't have the skills, ability, family connections, etc. The ugly cousin works at the laundry because no one is going to pay to bang her. The pretty girl gets into the business because she is lusted after her whole life, her sex appeal is reinforced by the men in her life, and she is given the opportunity to make money by using her beauty. Why is that hard to understand? And what does that have to do with being lazy?

It's not as simple as just being poor and there are a million reasons why anybody does anything, but money is the prime reason people do jobs. Things like abuse, lack of opportunity, lack of education, rebellion, sexual exploration also have a big part to it. But I would say that "being too lazy to get a real job" is very far down the list and that's my main point.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2917607]I find it difficult to understand why she would call the cops if there was no noise coming from your apartment.[/QUOTE]I think some people are miserable and can't tolerate anyone being happy. The following is an experience I had last month. I have a lady friend in Medellin that I've known for 12 years; only a friend, not a friend with benefits as most think of benefits. She has a 5-year old daughter. The little girl likes to go to Frisby because they have a children's playground. My friend was sick, so her friend and the little girl and I went to Frisby on LA70 for a late lunch. Her friend is 20 years old. While we were eating, a group of 4 or 5 police came into the restaurant and asked the lady for her ID. The lady was dressed conservatively, and both her and little girl were sitting on the opposite side of the table from me. They asked for my ID, and returned it after a few minutes. They took the lady and girl outside the restaurant for more questioning. They required the mother to come and get the girl. They asked me very few questions. The whole ordeal lasted almost an hour. The lady told me there was someone from the table behind me go outside just before the police came in. Obviously, someone called the police. I don't think it was anyone who worked at the restaurant because many of them have seen me in there many times with the girl and her mother. Some of the employees asked the lady what was happening. Just another day in Medellin.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2917615]Colombians all wear long pants as a sign of respect[/QUOTE]That myth was dispellled a long time ago right with the Colombians don't wear ball caps. You are either looking at someone during their work day or an old man. Colombians wear shorts, sneakers, flip flops, and ballcaps AND basketball jerseys just as most people around the world. You generally will see it after hours when they are off work and on the weekends.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2917667]The ugly cousin works at the laundry because no one is going to pay to bang her.[/QUOTE]It seems you have not been in mongering long. I know ugly chicks in various countries that have been at the job in excess of 20 years. Wonder how they could be at it day in and day out if nobody is paying to bang them. And maybe you have not seen half the pictures posted on this forum.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2917667]...but money is the prime reason people do jobs. ... But I would say that "being too lazy to get a real job" is very far down the list and that's my main point.[/QUOTE]I am wondering what do you call this?

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2917112]but Columbia is not that place. It's why so many mongers in the west complain about the prices of women here because those women [b]have minimum wage options and are doing sex work to avoid that[/b][/QUOTE]A girl told me she did not have money because her period and could not work. I told her that I would take her to eat, and, gave her money for free (no sex or anything) if she came to me by Metro and I would pick her up at Metro station. She came by taxi when she did not have money. Her mother gave her the taxi money. I have reported this and similar behavior here. I gave he money anyway. Then she turned around to ask others for money. That taught me a lesson. Well, the lesson is to make the girl work to get the money so she won't turn around to repeat the same behavior on other men.

The girls who I have asked will generally tell me they don't work because the pay is little.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2917632] For that amount of money, some can get 2 to stay all night with little restriction, and maybe not worse-looking girls too.[/QUOTE]I would love to know how to get this type of deal (600 K, 2 girls, all night). When I can't speak more than 10 words of Spanish, Gringo and want Loutron-quality girls.

Also, it's worth mentioning I have had good luck with lacelestine. Co. It takes some time to build the rap with the agency, but after a few takeouts, you get a VIP service. They were able to find English-speaking college girls 300 K and up.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2917615]Yes, I have noticed most of the Americans in El Pobado wear short pants. I have told many of the NYC gentlemen to get rid of their gold chains and flashy jewelry and hide their cell phone or they will be snatched by some Colombian thief on a motorcycle or by one with a knife. Colombians all wear long pants as a sign of respect and few can afford flashy watches and gold chains. And please leave your "boom boxes" at home. I have seen many playing "ghetto" music loudly from their boom boxes while walking on Avenida 43 in El Poblado. It disturbs me and I am sure it disturbs the Colombians more.[/QUOTE]It's sad but true. They come in with their flashy jewelry phones and being flashy to get attention not understanding every single Colombian and Venezuelan thugs know they're not armed. So with that mystery gone they're just walking targets and when they do get robbed they can't do nothing cause the cops they call are secretly laughing about it. But every once in a while they'll bust someone just to make it look good. But from what I hear many cops are in on the take.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2917573]Wasn't a "plan" to avoid the tourism police or whatever. But it worked out that way. I land in BOG, then fly with GF to Medellin. Do tours together. We are registered at nice Airbnb in Laurelles / also Dann Carlton. Except for my phone pics. (I need to hide those from her anyway). LOL what could go wrong? She's 23 - I look 50 ish.. in my mind, I'm 29. LOL I will get wheelchair thru customs. I doubt they will check anything. I will say she is my nurse. Maybe hide the handcuffs etc. Fuk Tijuana I will report. In July.[/QUOTE]Good luck Don! FWIW, I think Cartagena is too much of a tourist spot to turn people away like Medellin seems to be getting ready to do. Looking back on things, I did have one agent in Bogota get a little nosy. He was not like the agent in Medellin that looked at first like she wanted to inject me with poison but he was questioning me pretty intensely. I should point out that 90+% of the time I go through customs with ease.

And people better start rejecting the Medellin moron culture and start looking at the sugar model. You know how to do it. You try to score with the best women, get to know them, help them out, meet their friends and family and if you ever have an issue, they are on your side. After saying he just wants sex with the women and only values what is between the legs of women, one of these Medellin morons PMed me and told me he had a GF.

It is funny how all the Medellin morons tried to claim they had GFs after I did. Of course, this moron is fucking hookers on the side like the rest of them. Why do they need to lie? It is like they try to impress each other with who can lie the best.

When I was seeing other people, I would tell the women I was seeing others. Only when I committed to not seeing other women would I use the term GF. I do not get why these morons lie so much when it is so easy to see through their bullshit.

I have to wonder if part of the reason for the crackdown is this crazy Medellin moron mindset.

[QUOTE=Hobo3;2917317]First time in Medellin in a year and everything has changed. The immigration officer asked to check my phone and thank goodness I had just gotten a new phone the day before and had nothing on it.[/QUOTE]What was the reason for searching your phone? Did they search everyone else phone in immigration line? Or was just you? I was just there in Medellin few weeks ago and never encountered this scenario before. I dress down whenever I visit Medellin and strictly no jewelry, watch, or anything shiny. I bet they only do this when there's not many people in immigration so your arrival time does play a role for this activity.

Colombians absolutely wear shorts around the barrios, on weekends, and in and on the way to or from the gym. Tourists wear shorts all the time, anytime, anywhere. Here is the difference. Colombians rarely if ever wear shorts in the following places / situations but tourists do: at night, when the weather is cold and / or rainy, in high end restaurants, in office buildings and banks, in discos and nightclubs.

[QUOTE=JimmyStreets;2917653]Nah. Walk around the malls you'll see plenty of Colombians wearing shorts. Why wear pants and long sleeve shirts when its 80 degrees outside? Its silly. Anyways be yourself. Your a gringo whether you wear pants or shorts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2917681]It seems you have not been in mongering long. I know ugly chicks in various countries that have been at the job in excess of 20 years. Wonder how they could be at it day in and day out if nobody is paying to bang them. And maybe you have not seen half the pictures posted on this forum.[/QUOTE]Look, I also enjoy being obtuse from time to time to troll, but it's not useful here. We are clearly talking about broader trends, not your anecdotes and over-exaggerated literal reading. The point is that women who do this business are prized for their looks in some way, shape, or form. Those who can tip the scale on making that look "worth" the money you spend get more customers. Those who have less to offer on that front, charge less (hence why you often see uglier women charge less). It makes it more difficult for those people to earn a living so it's less worth the hassle. I'm not saying only 9's and 10's become working girls, simply that it explains why a less attractive girl will be less likely to consider the business. It's the same reason a guy without a GED is less likely to apply for a manager position compared to an MBA grad. I didn't expect to have to explain the basics of economics, but here we are.

If anything, your point only reinforces mine. In poor areas, it is more likely to see girls of all types get into the business because there is a strong economic incentive.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2917683]I am wondering what do you call this?
The girls who I have asked will generally tell me they don't work because the pay is little.[/QUOTE]I'll go slow.

Scenario A: Girl gets paid $10 a day for 8 hours of work at a restaurant. She lives in abject poverty, scraping to make ends meet for herself (and her kid, potentially), and is constantly tired and stressed due to working all of the time.

Scenario be: Girl gets paid $100 dollars a day to spend those hours being available to turn tricks. She lives better, maybe enough to buy stuff for herself (and her kid, potentially), and has less stress than before.

Is she being lazy to not want to do Scenario A or making a "somewhat" rationale choice to do be?

In developing countries, you see more women from better backgrounds get into the business to just make side money (e. G. Sugaring) and they charge more because of that. It's why we often complain about prices in our home countries being jacked up. One can argue that the women are being "lazy" because there are more ways to earn a decent living that aren't super strenuous. But in poorer countries, those opportunities are not as available, so you often see girls choosing to get into the business.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2917751]......In developing countries, you see more women from better backgrounds get into the business to just make side money (e. G. Sugaring) and they charge more because of that......[/QUOTE]My concern about sugaring viz. Seeking is that the girls there may just be prostitutes seeking higher pay.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2917751]I'll go slow.

Scenario A: Girl gets paid $10 a day for 8 hours of work at a restaurant. She lives in abject poverty, scraping to make ends meet for herself (and her kid, potentially), and is constantly tired and stressed due to working all of the time.

Scenario be: Girl gets paid $100 dollars a day to spend those hours being available to turn tricks. She lives better, maybe enough to buy stuff for herself (and her kid, potentially), and has less stress than before.

Is she being lazy to not want to do Scenario A or making a "somewhat" rationale choice to do be?

In developing countries, you see more women from better backgrounds get into the business to just make side money (e. G. Sugaring) and they charge more because of that. It's why we often complain about prices in our home countries being jacked up. One can argue that the women are being "lazy" because there are more ways to earn a decent living that aren't super strenuous. But in poorer countries, those opportunities are not as available, so you often see girls choosing to get into the business.[/QUOTE]Scenario 3. A girl who works full time like Scenario A, and also has a job like B does.

Scenario 4. A girl who goes to Centrol to work everyday from 10 AM to 7 PM. It can be any jobs.

Scenario 5. A girl who goes to New Life to work everyday.

Scenario 6. A girl who sits at home doing nothing meaningful except when she got no more than 1 date / per day.

In my opinion, A 3 4 5 are "not lazy". Would you say B and 6 are "not lazy".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2917681]It seems you have not been in mongering long. I know ugly chicks in various countries that have been at the job in excess of 20 years. Wonder how they could be at it day in and day out if nobody is paying to bang them. And maybe you have not seen half the pictures posted on this forum.[/QUOTE]And you can see them in Park LLeras, and getting attention too.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2917877]In my opinion, A 3 4 5 are "not lazy". Would you say B and 6 are "not lazy".[/QUOTE]Depends, but yes, some can probably be considered lazy. On the other hand, this job is often about being ready for random calls. A full time job interferes with that. If you have to be out late a night every all of the time, you'll be tired the next morning. If you have to waste hours everyday texting punters who string you along and bail or waste your time texting them to get a date, those are hours you lose.

This same argument applies to all of us where we could all work three jobs and 100 hours a week to get it rich, but no one would consider you lazy for just doing one 40 hours a week job. As a person who has dabbled in normie content creation, I know this well. Your "work" isn't just the time you record; it's the time you research topics, edit videos, respond to comments. It's the strain of doing that day in and day out, and eventually, how a real job will interfere with it. You will find that most content creators eventually quit because it is very difficult to balance both.

Just to note, my argument isn't that there are no lazy women, rather that the act of doing sex work as a main profession is not lazy and too often, we see punters complain about lazy women who are generally grinding every night for customers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2917182]I think the biggest driver is personality. Some guys don't have the personality to try to bargain for a lower price. Some guys act like the girl is doing them a favor, so they are quite alright with and as we see many times even volunteer to pay extra. My personality is that I do not see it as something I need to pay a lot for. My attitude is that I am not about to pay all that money just for some pussy. Others' attitude is oh boy this is my lucky day to be getting some pussy from a fairly attractive chick and all it will cost me is money.[/QUOTE]Some have said that the girls know their worth. This one will be at the top at La Isla, Gusto or anywhere she goes, if one likes slender, model type figure and pretty face, she will be at the top with little competition. She does not know her worth or she has not met the men who know her worth. I treat and pay her just like a 6, 7. They are all the same rate. LOL. She is eager to get my business. She wanted to see me but I didn't have time and not that eager to see her so she kept nagging me. haha. I do not want to post our other conversations because I don't want someone to rat me out. But she is just like all others. A longtime friend in high places introduced her to me because I am too infatuated with another paisa so he tried to save me. I follow the same deal, so I don't spoil this girl. I could not let her leave early because that would break the deal. So, I traded for 1 minute of DFK for each 10 minutes she has to stay. That got me hard very quick. LOL.

In reality, hot girls don't provide better sex. 10 in appearance and 10 in bed is a rare combination.

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2916928]I see a lot of people saying what prices are too High to be quoted in lleras.
But not a lot of info on what amount newbies should be countering with or what price point to stick to depending on diferent venues.
Seems like one poster was speaking about club prices. Are those not usually set by the establishment. Or just the exit fee.
What are seasoned mongers paying in lleras short time compared to TLN. Also adicionales always plays a factor.
Seen mostly the prices that should be expected and quoted in Centro but not much on Lleras in todays market or clubs where girls set their own prices[/QUOTE]Just a general observation and you can find the similar pricing information on ISG. You need to have basic discipline to not overpay. You can get decent looking girls for no more than 250. 200 is common, 150 is also doable. These prices do not include Uber. I guess very few people will start their offer at 150 and probably not many girls will accept 150 so we don't hear about 150 as much. I put these numbers out, but it does not necessary mean you will get it because YMMV and you are starting from fresh. These girls will be discovered too so their price may not stay the same, and you just move on to get new ones

Unless you can't find the girl elsewhere and you must have her, then you pay what you want to get it. The same rule applies if you can't find a suitable girl for 250, then you pay more until you find one that costs less, then you can drop one expensive one. It's simple logic. I went thru the process that I thought I had to pay more but I have been here a long time and know some generous friends that share their knowledge so now I know I don't need to.

You will be quoted tourist price if you go to the places that target tourists. You are just paying more to the the girl with the same background from cheaper places. The girls at Lleras are not hotter so why do they cost more?

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2917693]I would love to know how to get this type of deal (600 K, 2 girls, all night).[/QUOTE]It's not automatic. If you have regular, then you can start from there. It's well documented on ISG that the girls will stay longer for free if they like you. In the case I am talking about is that you pay a little extra to have regular to stay longer, or overnight.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2918130]Some have said that the girls know their worth. This one will be at the top at La Isla, Gusto or anywhere she goes, if one likes slender, model type figure and pretty face, she will be at the top with little competition. She does not know her worth or she has not met the men who know her worth. I treat and pay her just like a 6, 7. They are all the same rate. LOL. She is eager to get my business. She wanted to see me but I didn't have time and not that eager to see her so she kept nagging me. haha.[/QUOTE]It is unfortunate that most guys fall for the women speak. They say a bunch of shit to make it sound like they are saying something meaningful, but when the rubber meets the road it actually does not mean shit. It is just some affirmation bullshit. But guys go on to defend the women by parrotting the same bullshit affirmations on their behalf.

Just recently broke up with my girlfriend in Brazil because she tried to pull that bullshit on me. She is going to tell me she knows her worth. Well I guess she has never met a mf like me who will actually ask what her worth is. So when I asked she tried to deflect and say I should be asking what my own worth is. I said hey I did not say anything about worth. It came out of your mouth so you need to clarify what your worth is so we can be on the same page. Then she wanted to pull the I don't have to tell you. I am just not used to having weak men by my side. I said okay. So in other words you don't know. She then says we will see. I said we don't have to see shit. If you said it then you can tell me now.

Then a few days later she comes crawling back talking about don't be upset with her and that she misses me. Shit that ship has already sailed. The same way I found her is the same way I was already looking for another one. If a chick tells me something then that opens it up for me to ask questions (to which they never have answers to). I am not going to go along to get along just thankful that I am getting some pussy. She is going to get tried by fire over here.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2917693]When I can't speak more than 10 words of Spanish, and want Loutron-quality girls..[/QUOTE]I would love to know what a loutron quality girl is because as far as I can tell the only thing they have in vommon spart from same number of body parts is that they all charge crazy price. So if that's what you want simply pay the next girl you meet 600. *Smile*.

[QUOTE=Hobo3;2917317]First time in Medellin in a year and everything has changed. The immigration officer asked to check my phone and thank goodness I had just gotten a new phone the day before and had nothing on it. Both immigration officers looked at me with disgust regardless. First La Isla prices are through the roof and are not worth it. The women there keep hounding you for money. It's a complete gringo trap now. They charge $150-200 for one bang not including entry fee and drinks. I went with a girl and I didn't last 10 minutes and I felt like a complete idiot. $150 for that? What a complete ripoff!

On facebook tons of girls are gone and there are barely girls advertising now. Its like only the fuglies remain. I did find one keeper, she was 20 yr old spinner. I am very very discreet and checked her ID. 20 minutes after she arrives, I hear the loudest banging on my door and it's 4 police officers! They came in furious, screaming asking questions. Apparently, a lady in the building called the cops. Now the girl who was aggressive in negotiating played victim. They asked for her ID and it was fake! Luckily she turned out to be 18 and she was just too lazy to get her own ID but what a terrible experience. What if she was 17? I would've gone to jail and my face would've been all over the news. They took pictures of me. All the neighbors were in the hallways wondering what was going on. It was 3 hour debacle..[/QUOTE]I've noticed a lot of the Facebook girls went to work in Spain and Mexico, including some I know personally.

Hey Nounce,

Thanks for responding.

But I'm still a bit in the dark. Are the prices you listed from 150 k to 250 k what a good price for an hour in Lleras with one pop.

Or YMMV and seasoned mongers are paying girls from Lleras that price for Todo La Noche, bareback, and multiple shots on goal.

If that's the case then yes I should be trying to negotiate more or getting a Facebook list of chicas.

That's what I mean there are a lot of posts talking prices but not specifying if it was for a short time, 2 hrs, MSOG, BBFS.

You say that searching the forum I can find that info. But I read the Medellin thread often and rarely see usual overnight prices being talked about.

Or adicionales which factor in. Some go out looking specifically for an overnighter taking all the other necessary precautions mentioned on these forums and internet.

In Bogota I work backwards. If a casa girls price is 120 k + 80 for BBJ+ 100 k extra for BBFS house takes at least half so getting her digits (90% aren't answering their own ads).

I can expect her to come over to my Hotel for 1/2 of 300 k. 150 k plus taxis maybe after 11 pm or on a Sunday for an HR or two same service or better. Which both they usually end up staying extra and sleeping over for double the price breakfast plus a good tip. So 400 k overnight all included Most off the bat from the start will want 600 TLN.

Which makes sense because most casas have them charging 1,000,000 cop overnight.

Agency prices another story. Haven't tried to take out middleman in that situation yet. To.

Be continued. Thanks for chiming in and all the extra info guys.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2916535]I spent a week there. I cannot speak Spanish (I may have learned 20 words after this trip). Safety and comfort were first, and cost was second. I stuck to these three venues.

La Isla Club.

50 K cover. Drinks are 50 K. Girls are 600 K plus 50 K Tips. Way too many bros are making it rain using 2 peso notes.

Fase II.

20 K to 50 K cover. Drinks are 40 K. Girls are 400 K plus 50 K Tip.

Loutron.

No cover if you select a girl. 600 K + 50 K Tip. Loutron had the best-looking girls in a relaxed environment, so this is where I was almost every day. Best to go around 6 PM.

Yes, I was paying above-average prices, but still, 1/5 of what I will spend in LA for the same quality.[/QUOTE]Just a note on the 2 K peso tips. That is the common way of reimbursement for the girls that dance in all the clubs I have been to. Especially the strip clubs where it is just locals (or mostly). So not a gringo thing or whatever. Girls does a dance, goes and collects 2 K tip from those that are there. Of course you don't have to pay, but it is how they get paid aside from trips to the rooms for services that might be anywhere from 60 or 80 mil to much much more at high end strip clubs. My point is. Don't bother fighting that battle. It is just how things work there. Girl dances. Give her the 2 k when she comes around.

Not necessarily the same thing as making it rain with bills. That is a whole different issue.

I am planning my second visit to Medellin for personal pleasure, my American friend invested a house in Medellin to a local Colombian, I don't really trust his local friend because I think it is a bad investment. The next time when I visit medellin alone or with my friend, we will stay at that house. And I don't know if I should be honest about what I do, maybe there are some anti-america in the local community? Or are they actually respect US government employee? Now I am not a DEA agent but let's say I can't be in a hostile country.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2918289]I am planning my second visit to Medellin for personal pleasure, my American friend invested a house in Medellin to a local Colombian, I don't really trust his local friend because I think it is a bad investment. The next time when I visit medellin alone or with my friend, we will stay at that house. And I don't know if I should be honest about what I do, maybe there are some anti-america in the local community? Or are they actually respect US government employee? Now I am not a DEA agent but let's say I can't be in a hostile country.[/QUOTE]There is nothing to gain by doing that. As a matter of fact, it make you more of a target to be placed in a compromising position. I remember a few years back a Secret Service advance team went to Colombia for a POTUS Visit to the country. An agent got caught up with a local girl that was giving him a hard time and after she found out he was secret service, she demanded even more money. Local LE didn't care he was US Secret Service, they sided with the girl.

It was all over the news in the US.

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[QUOTE=Zeos1;2918236]Just a note on the 2 K peso tips. That is the common way of reimbursement for the girls that dance in all the clubs I have been to. Especially the strip clubs where it is just locals (or mostly). So not a gringo thing or whatever. Girls does a dance, goes and collects 2 K tip from those that are there. Of course you don't have to pay, but it is how they get paid aside from trips to the rooms for services that might be anywhere from 60 or 80 mil to much much more at high end strip clubs. My point is. Don't bother fighting that battle. It is just how things work there. Girl dances. Give her the 2 k when she comes around.

Not necessarily the same thing as making it rain with bills. That is a whole different issue.[/QUOTE]I'm not super experienced in Medellin but have done the strip clubs around Centro. And the 2 k tip threw me for a loop because in Bogota it's not a thing. So I was kind of the jerk for not giving the tip because of my experience in the Santa Fe and other clubs.

So I am just adding my support to the comment of "not fighting that battle".

After visiting Medellin consistently for the last decade plus, this most recent trip (last week) was the first time I truly experienced the greatness of el centro.

I spent 50 k per chica in centro (3 chicas per day) and they were just as good looking as the 400 k parque Lleras chicas.

And yes, a bunch of chicas that I saw in el centro working for low prices, I later saw working that night in parque Lleras for obviously much higher prices since the tourists probably will pay it.

Only saw one robbery in el centro during 3 days. Some local was trying to steal a local woman's purse or phone, but she was fighting back and causing quite a scene. It's nice to have a large police presence in el centro, but as I was whistling to them to try to get them to pay attention to the robbery, they took their sweet lazy ass time responding to the situation.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2918289]I am planning my second visit to Medellin for personal pleasure, my American friend invested a house in Medellin to a local Colombian, I don't really trust his local friend because I think it is a bad investment. The next time when I visit medellin alone or with my friend, we will stay at that house. And I don't know if I should be honest about what I do, maybe there are some anti-america in the local community? Or are they actually respect US government employee? Now I am not a DEA agent but let's say I can't be in a hostile country.[/QUOTE]I read through a bit of your post history. I am trying to be helpful here when I say this. No one cares what you do because there is no need to say anything about what you do. You seem paranoid about things. Based on your post history it doesn't sound like you should be staying at your friend's place. It seems as simple as that. You possibly shouldn't be going to Medellin. And if you have a security clearance - then you shouldn't be asking a sex forum if it's ok.

Maybe my post gets taken down for being personal. But I am trying to be helpful both for you and others that have similar thoughts. If these types of things are concerns you should consider your safety first. I suppose it's subjective if you are being paranoid. But it's not subjective that you have concerns and doubts that you keep stating over and over. So there might be something to consider there.

Be safe out there and have fun.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2918289]I am planning my second visit to Medellin for personal pleasure, my American friend invested a house in Medellin to a local Colombian, I don't really trust his local friend because I think it is a bad investment. The next time when I visit medellin alone or with my friend, we will stay at that house. And I don't know if I should be honest about what I do, maybe there are some anti-america in the local community? Or are they actually respect US government employee? Now I am not a DEA agent but let's say I can't be in a hostile country.[/QUOTE]To be honest, you're not that important so no one (meaning the locals in Colombia won't care). Who is going to be asking you what your job is? Putas just care about getting paid.

There is some anti-America vibes though, since we have dickhead "passport bros" and scummy tourists screwing things up for the respectful tourists.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2918289]And I don't know if I should be honest about what I do, maybe there are some anti-america in the local community? Or are they actually respect US government employee? Now I am not a DEA agent but let's say I can't be in a hostile country.[/QUOTE]Who knows (or cares) about somebody's job when they are robbing them?

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2918289]I am planning my second visit to Medellin for personal pleasure, my American friend invested a house in Medellin to a local Colombian, I don't really trust his local friend because I think it is a bad investment. The next time when I visit medellin alone or with my friend, we will stay at that house. And I don't know if I should be honest about what I do, maybe there are some anti-america in the local community? Or are they actually respect US government employee? Now I am not a DEA agent but let's say I can't be in a hostile country.[/QUOTE]Hey Mr. Gov't employee, my advice would be to never bring that up again. When you see a post that you want more details on, use private messaging.

I do not believe this was even written by a native english speaker. I suppose that there are govt employees who are not native born english speakers, but this seems suspect. If you are who you say you are, at least stick to private messages.

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2918351]Hey Mr. Gov't employee, my advice would be to never bring that up again. When you see a post that you want more details on, use private messaging.

I do not believe this was even written by a native english speaker. I suppose that there are govt employees who are not native born english speakers, but this seems suspect. If you are who you say you are, at least stick to private messages.[/QUOTE]Relax, I am not that important, millions of American work for the government. What's the suspicious? I am not asking anybody's personal information. You are right I am not a native English speaker, if I am, I would have work for wallstreet or tech companies and making 5 times as much. You will be surprise how many immigrants work for the government, even in the old days, government employees were largely made up of Irish immigrants.

Anyway I guess I am not getting an answer here I wish I can delete my original post but I can't find the option to delete my post.

[QUOTE=GringoTrooper;2918338]

I spent 50 k per chica in centro (3 chicas per day) and they were just as good looking as the 400 k parque Lleras chicas.

[/QUOTE]Centro girls, do you need to take them to a love motel?

It was Sunday so I had very few options. I decided to visit The Club Swinger at Cra. 44 #25-45, El Poblado, Medellíand, Antioquia, Colombia ([URL]https://www.theclubswinger.com[/URL]).

On Wednesday and Sunday, they allow single men and there also generally is a special program (gangbang?) on Wednesday and Sunday from 1 pm to 7 pm. I confirmed it via WhatsApp so I don't end up making a trip for nothing.

I reached there around 5 pm on Sunday and I was the only person there. There was one girl there, who came over and told me that the 50 K pesos cover includes a massage with a happy ending. Since I was the only one there, I got a long relaxing massage till another guy showed up. So, she did the happy ending, and it was the other guy's turn to get massage.

Slowly, four other guys, two couples, and a couple of BBWs came. The place has different types of rooms (BDSM, pitch dark, sauna, jacuzzi, etc.) The couples went to the rooms to do their thing in closed doors. The single guys gangbang-ishly did the massage girl while she was eating out one of the BBWs.

Soon, it was 7 pm and the massage / prepago girl was off duty. Other couples started to come. But I left since there was not going to be much action with couples doing their own thing. When leaving, I paid another 50 K pesos for minimum spend, which included the couple of beers I had.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2918371]Relax, I am not that important, millions of American work for the government. What's the suspicious? I am not asking anybody's personal information. You are right I am not a native English speaker, if I am, I would have work for wallstreet or tech companies and making 5 times as much. You will be surprise how many immigrants work for the government, even in the old days, government employees were largely made up of Irish immigrants.

Anyway I guess I am not getting an answer here I wish I can delete my original post but I can't find the option to delete my post.[/QUOTE]Just seemed like a suspicious post, don't mind me. Good luck to you.

Me and my friends planning to visit Medellin in couple of months. What is the best place to stay for newbies? Is Hotel M safe bet?

I feel like, I wish there was a way to indicate "oral natural but don't stop every 15 seconds to wipe my cock and pre-cum with that cold baby wipe alcohol".

We need a name for that, I'll ad an extra 20 on top if you only wipe once.

I had previously asked a ton of questions here which peeved off some of the dudes here but as I said, I always give back. My review will likely help the newbies more than the veterans but at least I have current intel. Since Medellin Colombia has been one of the most popular mongering destinations in the world now, I finally took a trip down there this month for a few days. I arrived to Medellin via Panama since I was vacationing in Cayman Islands before my journey to Colombia. At the airport, I noticed that there are big banners advising travellers that sexual tourism with underage individuals is illegal and can result in big jail time. Okay this is a fair issue but I heard that the Medellin mayor has been trying to crack down on prostitution and this was his way of doing it. I agree about staying away from underage girls but this banner campaign is just too much over the top in my opinion and won't stop mongering with adult ladies who consent. Anyway, as I get to the immigration line, I was pointed to go to the line on the far left which is the unofficial line for Canadian passport holders. While the other immigration lines were cleared, only those of us in this last line remained and I saw the folks ahead of my were pulling out their credit cards. This was for the tourist tax that Colombia has slapped on Canadians at 270,000 COP which is about $100 Cad. When it was my turn in front of the immigration officer, I handed him my passport and visa card. He promptly processed the payment and then stamped my passport. He didn't even ask my any questions so it was clear that all they cared was collecting the payment. For all of you non-Canucks wondering why this happening, apparently my Canadian government slapped a visa requirement of some type for Colombians wishing to travel to Canada and this is a way for the Colombian government to get back at us.

Getting To Medellin.

The posted rate for the airport taxis was 110,000 COP while the hotel I booked with (Hotel M, formerly known as the Mansion) offered a private pick up at 130,000 COP. I did some advance research and decided to take the airport buses that the locals take which cost 15,500 COP and went to a spot near San Diego Mall in the city. From there, I ordered an Uber without any issues as I waited at the office of the airport bus which went by Combus just about 3 minutes walk from where the bus dropped us off. This was already at night about 8 pm but it was not a problem with safety at all as lots of people were still milling about since it's near a big mall. I already had a data plan via an esim on my phone through Airalo which I activated back in Panama. The Uber to my hotel in Poblado was about another 15,000 COP for a total of about 30,000 COP or about $10 Cad which was much cheaper than taking the airport taxi or private taxi even though the trip was a bit longer.

I'm going to do a post about my observations of the Hotel M separately in the Casa Blanca section instead of here on this thread.

For my return trip to the airport, I did the reverse and had no problem hailing an Uber from the hotel to the Combus office near San Diego Mall where there were buses already waiting to go to the airport.

The Hotel M Bar Cueva.

On my first night which was a Friday night, there were a few guys there who were also guests at the hotel and about 15 girls. About 30 minutes later, a few more guys came in but probably another 10 to 15 additional girls also came. There was a mix of body shapes among the girls but most had very pretty faces. I decided to pull one after she accepted my 250,000 COP counter offer after her initial 300,000 COP asking rate. I was advised on ISG that sometimes it might help to tell the girl that I only need 30 to 40 minutes instead of the hour rate they were quoting me in order to get the lower rate. This may or may not have worked as I got the 250,000 anyway and once we were in my room, none of the girls I pulled from this bar were clock watchers at all.

One thing about these bar girls, at least with the ones I pulled from here, they all had a different version of GFE that we from the Toronto scene might have. I pulled two different girls from this bar and repeated with one of them and all sessions had lots of kissing but all were CBJ. This might be a Colombia thing or BBBJ might be on the table for extra charge but I didn't inquire as my sessions still worked for me.

Another thing that turned out to be a very enjoyable factor that we do not get up here in the Toronto monger scene is that there was a sense of comaraderie that we just don't get up here. All the guys I met at the bar or at the hotel were really cool and friendly to chat with. Veterans always willing to share tips to newbies on not just the girls but also the local area for stuff like where to eat, safety issues and more. We also shared intel on different mongering destinations around the world. Every guy there was there for the same thing and there was no feeling of shame whatsoever. Mongering was just another hobby we all enjoyed doing. One of the guys even took me for a walk to the famous Parque Lleras which is now the main hooker pickup spot in Poblado that is featured on YouTube a lot. Indeed when girls don't get any business at the hotel bar, many of them end up going to Parque Lleras to troll for business.

Many of the guys I met were repeat visitors not only to Medellin but also as guests at Hotel M and I can see the reasons why. I know that a natural progression that some veterans take after initial stays at Hotel M is to book Airbnbs but as outsiders, they would not get free access to the hotel bar anymore. And to be safe with pulling girls from Parque Lleras, it is advised to book Airbnbs with at least good security guards in place as an added safety measure because the girls at Parque Lleras are not screened as well as the ones at the hotel M bar.

New Life Casa.

During the daytime, I took the Metro public transit which is dirt cheap at about $1 per ride to the downtown area known as el Centro. This is the low end market for mongering and it is noticeable rougher and not recommended to venture to at night. This area is also featured a lot on YouTube. I had no intentions of pulling any girls from el Centro nor Parque Lleras but wanted to take a stroll there in person anyway just to say I've been there after watching all those videos. Sure enough, the girls lined up all along the streets near Plaza Botero where all the famous statues are, were steps down in turns of quality. Many more chunky women and not attractive faces in my opinion although I understand they are cheap with rates at about 40-50,000 COP and you still have to get a local room. I have to admit that there were maybe a few Centro girls I would have been willing to session with but the area was way too chaotic for me. During the daytime, it was very noisy, crowded with all sorts of locals milling about in addition to the working ladies. In a way, this made the area safe to walk around in during the daytime but any mongering action would have been way too close to everything else for me. I would not have felt comfortable negotiating with any girl there with a street vendor or some other local just a few feet away. It was too much of a zoo but at least I took in the sights with a quick stroll. Just to be safe from pickpocketers, I dared not take out my phone and kept my hand in my pocket holding it the entire time.

My main target at Centro was not on the streets but at a casa known as New Life. This is a daytime brothel and was an easy walk from the Plaza Botero area. There is a distinctive blue door and once inside, I got buzzed through two black metal gate doors and up the stairs to New Life. I was greeted by a hostess and the place was buzzing with girls. I was led to a small room with seats where individual available girls walked in to introduce themselves one by one with their names. I was asked to remember which one I liked and after about 16 or so women who came by, I did remember the name of the one I wanted. Among this group, there was also ladies of all different shapes and sizes so there were only about 3 I would have selected and the one I wanted had a distinctive red dress which I IDed to the hostess.

The rate for a 30 minute session was 70,000 COP which is about $24 Cad which is way cheaper than the night time bar girls. I was taken to a room with a shower with the girl I chose and I was asked what I wanted to drink and it was customary to order one for the girl too. I chose a mango juice which my girl also took. These drinks cost my another 7,000 COP. While the girl provided me with a decent session, she kept mentioning propina throughout which meant tip for her. She ended up giving me decent sexo but as I had expected, no GFE nor kissing on the lips with her but I tipped her 2 COP anyway. So the session cost me $79,000 COP in total for a 30 minute session which is way cheaper than not only the evening girls but of course way lower than anything up here in the GTA.

I was planning to visit another casa called Energy on the next day but ran out of time since I also did some touristy things including Comuna 13 and the cable car ride up to Parque Arvi, both of which I enjoyed and made my transits via the Metro.

Final Thoughts.

So with safety precautions, I never had any issues in Medellin. I did not pull from Parque Lleras and only sessioned with hotel M bar girls and the casa girl. I did not wander around at night except in Poblado between the hotel and Parque Lleras with a fellow monger. For what you get, the monger scene here is way better than in Toronto where you basically book from online photos without any opportunity to screen the girls in person for both her looks and personalities before committing. And the rates are cheaper for what you get. However, English is not widely spoken down here but I studied basic Spanish for two months before my trip and most of the girls pulled out Google Translate when needed.

There are other venues that I didn't have the time to visit like Loutron which is a high end brothel at a mansion like place that was previously owned by the drug lord of Medellin. I also did not visit any of the strip clubs that have onsite rooms but any place with loud booming music is not my scene anyway. I liked the Hotel M bar because it was relatively laid back and relaxed. Conversations with the chicas were easy in such a place. The evening bar girls I met there asked to be connected via WhatsApp which was fine by me since I would like to return to Medellin in the future and see some of these chicas again. All in all it was a great time there. I would imagine that as I improve my Spanish, future interactions with not only the chicas but other locals in general would be even better.

For the true vets of the fb game of mde you should definitely know who this is.

Please don't ever make fun of guys overpaying because if we pay more for pussy it's just for pussy.

But some guy just bought her a BMW suv. LOL. I know at least 6-7 guys who have raw dogged and CIM her including myself and the friends I passed her around too for 200-250 mil.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2918371]

Anyway I guess I am not getting an answer here I wish I can delete my original post but I can't find the option to delete my post.[/QUOTE]Here's an answer for you. No reason to tell anyone about your job. Nothing to gain and always possibly something to lose.

Just say "Estoy aca de vacaciones y no quiero pensar o hablar de trabajo" (I'm here on vacation and I don't want to think or talk about work".

Or say you're between jobs right now so vacationing in Medellin.

Years ago when I vacationed with my brother he told people he was a mortician and they didn't ask any more questions LOL.

[QUOTE=Beardboy;2918480]Me and my friends planning to visit Medellin in couple of months. What is the best place to stay for newbies? Is Hotel M safe bet?[/QUOTE]Great choice and idea from what I've been reading recently is how nice the rooms are managed and maintained, especially the nice plush towels they have and the so many 10's running around the place at all hrs of the night! Excellent choice bud! And great reading skills! Have fun!

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2918518]I had previously asked a ton of questions here which peeved off some of the dudes here but as I said, I always give back. My review will likely help the newbies more than the veterans but at least I have current intel. Since Medellin Colombia has been one of the most popular mongering destinations in the world now, I finally took a trip down there this month for a few days...[/QUOTE]A most excellent review, good one!

[QUOTE=Beardboy;2918480]Me and my friends planning to visit Medellin in couple of months. What is the best place to stay for newbies? Is Hotel M safe bet?[/QUOTE]There is no simple answer to this, but there is an excellent review right after your post that offers some good information. The Hotel M is a safe place, but the quality of the property is low, and you can still visit its bar if you stay elsewhere. But for someone who is not familiar with Medellin and wants a no-brainer experience without having to do a ton of research, it works quite nicely.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2918543]For the true vets of the fb game of mde you should definitely know who this is.

Please don't ever make fun of guys overpaying because if we pay more for pussy it's just for pussy.

But some guy just bought her a BMW suv. LOL. I know at least 6-7 guys who have raw dogged and CIM her including myself and the friends I passed her around too for 200-250 mil.[/QUOTE]I don't doubt that some Sugar daddies buy their girls cars.

But that definitely looks like she's fronting and its one of those Cars being raffled off in a large shopping mall.

Or pics perusing at a dealer or car show.

But yeah they are all hustling for that rags to riches quick money in Colombia.

I guess I don't blame them. They play the game because they see it works.

And not many fast tracks to success in their education system and economy Especially growing up in underprivileged neighborhoods with dysfunctional families.

They want out and they want out quick. Understandable.

Excellent report, I hope you come back and post more.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2918518]I had previously asked a ton of questions here which peeved off some of the dudes here but as I said, I always give back. My review will likely help the newbies more than the veterans but at least I have current intel. Since Medellin Colombia has been one of the most popular mongering destinations in the world now, I finally took a trip down there this month for a few days. I arrived to Medellin via Panama since I was vacationing in Cayman Islands before my journey to Colombia. At the airport, I noticed that there are big banners advising travellers that sexual tourism with underage individuals is illegal and can result in big jail time. Okay this is a fair issue but I heard that the Medellin mayor has been trying to crack down on prostitution and this was his way of doing it. I agree about staying away from underage girls but this banner campaign is just too much over the top in my opinion and won't stop mongering with adult ladies who consent. Anyway, as I get to the immigration line, I was pointed to go to the line on the far left which is the unofficial line for Canadian passport holders. While the other immigration lines were cleared, only those of us in this last line remained and I saw the folks ahead of my were pulling out their credit cards. This was for the tourist tax that Colombia has slapped on Canadians at 270,000 COP which is about $100 Cad. When it was my turn in front of the immigration officer, I handed him my passport and visa card. He promptly processed the payment and then stamped my passport. He didn't even ask my any questions so it was clear that all they cared was collecting the payment. For all of you non-Canucks wondering why this happening, apparently my Canadian government slapped a visa requirement of some type for Colombians wishing to travel to Canada and this is a way for the Colombian government to get back at us.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2918571]Just say "Estoy aca de vacaciones y no quiero pensar o hablar de trabajo" (I'm here on vacation and I don't want to think or talk about work".[/QUOTE]No quiero pensar [B]ni[/B] hablar. Remember that if one element in the sentence is negative, all elements must be negative.

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2918229]..In Bogota I work backwards. If a casa girls price is 120 k + 80 for BBJ+ 100 k extra for BBFS house takes at least half so getting her digits (90% aren't answering their own ads)....[/QUOTE]I think the difference is that you take her from casa which has a fixed price reference. The comparison to freelancers will be difficult because freelancers can set their own price. What I have been describing is there are different levels of price. The girls can move from one price to a different price when they want. Usually they move from low price level to higher price level. The jump can be substantial, 50% or more, very quickly. What I mean to have discipline is to not chase after them or knowing that you can eventually get the same quality with lower price to replace the higher price one you already have. The numbers I put out is just so you know they have been done and can be done. Here I am referring to chicas that come from lower social level.

For overnight, I don't think you need to pay your regulars more than 50% of the short time rate in Medellin. I know I don't have to. I am not looking for it so I just sit back to see what happens. If you don't visit frequently or stay longer then you probably won't have this luxury. I personally only negotiate BBBJ, and time sometimes, I basically don't see girl who tells me an hourly rate. The rest will come naturally. I know most girls very well and I know what they like.

I maybe wrong with these numbers but based on memory, Gobacho is paying 100 k to 150 k for Facebook girl for a few hours. Another frequent posters has said he paid 150 to 250 recently. Moonshot is pay 200 to 250, not sure how long, That is the price level they stay in I think because of their disciplines, not because they can set the price. They can ignore what other mongers pay but to say they will not feel the effect is not correct. One or more of the girls will move to a deferent price level because others are offering more and they will lose the girl. When all the girls move up, then they have to change their price to offer market price. You can estimate the overnight rate based on these numbers.

1. So whoever that simp is that got Marcela a freaking x5 needs to fucking hang up his hat. What the actual fudge? I have seen these types of guys do stupid shit like this and honestly why? If you are going to "keep" a woman, do it to a good / regular girl. Why wife up a hoe? I just do not understand the rationale here smh.

2. To that government guy asking questions about job lmfao. Rule number one: never ever tell them your real life, etc. First of all, they don't care about your status. You are a gringo to them (potential target if you will). Why even mention it? This is not a DC cocktail party where your persona and self worth is tied to your job. My advice is to get some street smarts first and then go to a place like MDE. Also, based on what you sound like, you are failing that poly so hard. Why even risk it? Truth be told, you don't sound like gov. You sound like a contractor, and I will just say to you that they do keep records of everything at Ft. Meade at that fancy glass building, including what is written on this forum, and my guy, you are not even using a VPN.

3. I am sorry to the guy who did a recent review. I appreciate the time you put in, but I have to disagree. For the price, M is a dump. Maybe it was great in the past, but not anymore. The bar can be hit or miss, but it is definitely safer than many alternatives.

4. Veterans, I need your input: I think I fucked up. Thus, please share your experiences with similar things.

I went the local girl route, and 3 of the girls caught feelings. One literally shows up to my place unannounced with food and shit, and I had to move APTs because of that. Don't get me wrong, these are all nice girls but I am not looking for a wife, responsibility, kids, headaches, etc. Wtf do I do to let them down easy and not cause a whole scene? I don't need heat from locals.

The other girl I got invited to her family's place for a party. While I was there, a freaking AC broke, and everyone was very upset, and I was like easy fix, that's a capacitor so I said get on your bike, take me to a shop to buy this. It's literally a 15-minute fix. There are other things that happened, but basically, this girl is legit asking for kids now. I told her I am a fucking hoe etc she does not care. Tells me its okay. She does not ask for money, cooks, and cleans my place without me asking. Literally became my DD / Taxi. I was stumbling out of a bar one time she saw me when she was out with friends, took me home, took care of me. Then I got cold as well as Deli belly because I got caught in the rain and ate some stupid street shit in the barrio. I did not answer on WhatsApp and kind of disappeared. She showed up with her sister and with groceries in tow. They deep-cleaned my place at the hospital level clean. This 21-year-old girl literally was spoon-feeding me soups watching Rick and Morty in bed with me sick for 5 days. I was helping her do her university homework in bed; every morning, I got woken up by a BJ etc. Like the whole wifey treatment. Either she is a fantastic actress or caught feelings hard and basically told me okay for an open relationship on my part, closed on her; but I still don't want to string her along. How the fuck do I get out of this as words are not getting through to her head? She does not mind me sleeping around, even hitting on her friends, drinking, or smoking as long as she gets to sleep with me at night. Not even sex, she just want to sleep with me every night. This is getting so weird. Like I go home from work and find her sitting on my steps waiting for me. To be honest, I like her the most out of the roster, but she basically dropped everything for me, and I don't want to ruin a good girl's life. The other day, I had to force her to go to University as instead, she was going to market to run errands for me because I said I needed x why z.

The third girl I met in Naufrago is some sort of celebrity or something here. She has a kid and basically wants a steady man, and I was very clear I am not that. She won't leave me alone; all day, she blows up my phone. She saw me at an event thing by Cabra Andaluz and caused a whole scene with crocodile tears, etc. , and tried to fight the girl I was with. She knows a friend of mine who is a local and blew up his wife's phone about me. The other day was sitting outside my old place crying in her car until I got a call from a neighbor. My neighbor was laughing at me so hard. What flavor of crazy is this? I don't do anything flashy, I don't even wear jewelry, I don't flash cash. I don't even have a car or speak decent Spanish, LOL. Why? Granted, I am not 65 or ulgy, but girls are going ape shit real quick from 0 to 100 in a week. All I did was invite her for a ride on a rental bike the next day, and she went off after that.

What am I doing wrong? How do I prevent this in the future? Is this normal here? Any real advice is appreciated veterans. Everyone else, you all are also welcome to laugh at my train-wreck of the current situation.

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2918659]I don't doubt that some Sugar daddies buy their girls cars.

But that definitely looks like she's fronting and its one of those Cars being raffled off in a large shopping mall.

Or pics perusing at a dealer or car show.

But yeah they are all hustling for that rags to riches quick money in Colombia.

I guess I don't blame them. They play the game because they see it works.

And not many fast tracks to success in their education system and economy Especially growing up in underprivileged neighborhoods with dysfunctional families.

They want out and they want out quick. Understandable.[/QUOTE]She's been out the game for a while with a rich simp. I got that off Karen Rua feed. She killed all her social media feeds to probably hide that she use to be a hooker.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2918665]Excellent report, I hope you come back and post more.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I will return for sure. Yes I know that Hotel M is kind of dumpy especially at rates they charge. But I appreciated the security as well as the easy logistics of meeting the girls in the bar downstairs and bringing them right up without having to deal with transit logistics. It would be ideal if a competitor opened up -- sort of like a Blackbeard's in Dominican Republic. But if you guys can suggest better options with at least as good security so I won't have to deal with any chica drama and minimize the transits, I'm all ears for next trip.

I think it's not your fault as you are an anomaly, just born that way or how they say in Colombia "malparido" You got looks, game, and probably a 30 cm cock, in other words you may have inherited all these traits from a woman with a lot of DNA that gave those qualities, or like they say in Colombia "hijodeputa".

[QUOTE=RacShack;2918573]Great choice and idea from what I've been reading recently is how nice the rooms are managed and maintained, especially the nice plush towels they have and the so many 10's running around the place at all hrs of the night! Excellent choice bud! And great reading skills! Have fun![/QUOTE]That is obvious satire. Newbies beware!

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2918659]I don't doubt that some Sugar daddies buy their girls cars.

But that definitely looks like she's fronting and its one of those Cars being raffled off in a large shopping mall.[/QUOTE]Or maybe he bought her a new shopping mall to go along with the new car and she keeps her car parked inside of her mall. How did guys ever know what hookers were up to before Instagram? Did they even care? Some of these guys care and know more about what a hooker is doing than their own family members.

[QUOTE=KebabOperator;2918689] Granted, I am not 65...[/QUOTE]How old are you?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2918676]No quiero pensar [B]ni[/B] hablar. Remember that if one element in the sentence is negative, all elements must be negative.[/QUOTE]Jaja ok but I'd rather use obvious gringo spanish than perfectly correct spanish. For example I write "me gusta tus fotos" instead of "me gustan tus fotos". When my phone spellchecks manana and adds an accent mark I delete it. Chicas love gringo spanish with all the understandable errors imo. Also lets them know it's not from a translator app.

Wrong this is not wifey treatment, or anything close.

No wife blows you in the evening, nor in the morning.

You got a mom, except the blow part LOL.

[QUOTE=KebabOperator;2918689]1. So whoever that simp is that got Marcela a freaking x5 needs to fucking hang up his hat. What the actual fudge? I have seen these types of guys do stupid shit like this and honestly why? If you are going to "keep" a woman, do it to a good / regular girl. Why wife up a hoe? I just do not understand the rationale here smh.

2. To that government guy asking questions about job lmfao. Rule number one: never ever tell them your real life, etc. First of all, they don't care about your status. You are a gringo to them (potential target if you will). Why even mention it? This is not a DC cocktail party where your persona and self worth is tied to your job. My advice is to get some street smarts first and then go to a place like MDE. Also, based on what you sound like, you are failing that poly so hard. Why even risk it? Truth be told, you don't sound like gov. You sound like a contractor, and I will just say to you that they do keep records of everything at Ft. Meade at that fancy glass building, including what is written on this forum, and my guy, you are not even using a VPN.

3. I am sorry to the guy who did a recent review. I appreciate the time you put in, but I have to disagree. For the price, M is a dump. Maybe it was great in the past, but not anymore. The bar can be hit or miss, but it is definitely safer than many alternatives.

4. Veterans, I need your input: I think I fucked up. Thus, please share your experiences with similar things.

I went the local girl route, and 3 of the girls caught feelings. One literally shows up to my place unannounced with food and shit, and I had to move APTs because of that. Don't get me wrong, these are all nice girls but I am not looking for a wife, responsibility, kids, headaches, etc. Wtf do I do to let them down easy and not cause a whole scene? I don't need heat from locals.

The other girl I got invited to her family's place for a party. While I was there, a freaking AC broke, and everyone was very upset, and I was like easy fix, that's a capacitor so I said get on your bike, take me to a shop to buy this. It's literally a 15-minute fix. There are other things that happened, but basically, this girl is legit asking for kids now. I told her I am a fucking hoe etc she does not care. Tells me its okay. She does not ask for money, cooks, and cleans my place without me asking. Literally became my DD / Taxi. I was stumbling out of a bar one time she saw me when she was out with friends, took me home, took care of me. Then I got cold as well as Deli belly because I got caught in the rain and ate some stupid street shit in the barrio. I did not answer on WhatsApp and kind of disappeared. She showed up with her sister and with groceries in tow. They deep-cleaned my place at the hospital level clean. This 21-year-old girl literally was spoon-feeding me soups watching Rick and Morty in bed with me sick for 5 days. I was helping her do her university homework in bed; every morning, I got woken up by a BJ etc. Like the whole wifey treatment. Either she is a fantastic actress or caught feelings hard and basically told me okay for an open relationship on my part, closed on her; but I still don't want to string her along. How the fuck do I get out of this as words are not getting through to her head? She does not mind me sleeping around, even hitting on her friends, drinking, or smoking as long as she gets to sleep with me at night. Not even sex, she just want to sleep with me every night. This is getting so weird. Like I go home from work and find her sitting on my steps waiting for me. To be honest, I like her the most out of the roster, but she basically dropped everything for me, and I don't want to ruin a good girl's life. The other day, I had to force her to go to University as instead, she was going to market to run errands for me because I said I needed x why z.

The third girl I met in Naufrago is some sort of celebrity or something here. She has a kid and basically wants a steady man, and I was very clear I am not that. She won't leave me alone; all day, she blows up my phone. She saw me at an event thing by Cabra Andaluz and caused a whole scene with crocodile tears, etc. , and tried to fight the girl I was with. She knows a friend of mine who is a local and blew up his wife's phone about me. The other day was sitting outside my old place crying in her car until I got a call from a neighbor. My neighbor was laughing at me so hard. What flavor of crazy is this? I don't do anything flashy, I don't even wear jewelry, I don't flash cash. I don't even have a car or speak decent Spanish, LOL. Why? Granted, I am not 65 or ulgy, but girls are going ape shit real quick from 0 to 100 in a week. All I did was invite her for a ride on a rental bike the next day, and she went off after that.

What am I doing wrong? How do I prevent this in the future? Is this normal here? Any real advice is appreciated veterans. Everyone else, you all are also welcome to laugh at my train-wreck of the current situation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KebabOperator;2918689].....4. Veterans, I need your input: I think I fucked up. Thus, please share your experiences with similar things.

I went the local girl route, and 3 of the girls caught feelings. One literally shows up to my place unannounced with food and shit, and I had to move APTs because of that. Don't get me wrong, these are all nice girls but I am not looking for a wife, responsibility, kids, headaches, etc. Wtf do I do to let them down easy and not cause a whole scene? .... every morning, I got woken up by a BJ etc. Like the whole wifey treatment. Either she is a fantastic actress or caught feelings hard and basically told me okay for an open relationship on my part, closed on her; but I still don't want to string her along. How the fuck do I get out of this as words are not getting through to her head? She does not mind me sleeping around, even hitting on her friends, drinking, or smoking as long as she gets to sleep with me at night. Not even sex, she just want to sleep with me every night. This is getting so weird. Like I go home from work and find her sitting on my steps waiting for me. To be honest, I like her the most out of the roster, but she basically dropped everything for me, and I don't want to ruin a good girl's life.
The third girl I met in Naufrago is some sort of celebrity or something here. She has a kid and basically wants a steady man, and I was very clear I am not that. She won't leave me alone; all day, she blows up my phone. She saw me at an event thing by Cabra Andaluz and caused a whole scene with crocodile tears, etc. , and tried to fight the girl I was with. She knows a friend of mine who is a local and blew up his wife's phone about me. The other day was sitting outside my old place crying in her car until I got a call from a neighbor. My neighbor was laughing at me so hard. What flavor of crazy is this? I don't do anything flashy, I don't even wear jewelry, I don't flash cash. I don't even have a car or speak decent Spanish, LOL. Why? Granted, I am not 65 or ulgy, but girls are going ape shit real quick from 0 to 100 in a week. All I did was invite her for a ride on a rental bike the next day, and she went off after that.

What am I doing wrong? How do I prevent this in the future? Is this normal here? Any real advice is appreciated veterans. Everyone else, you all are also welcome to laugh at my train-wreck of the current situation.[/QUOTE]Okay, I am going to just be brutally honest but parts of you say you do not want women latching and getting feelings for you, but you broke the cardinal sin of going back to the well too many times. You are okay with the one gal staying 5 days in a row with you almost 24/7. Any normal young girl not hardened yet is going to develop feelings for you. Also, some of these gals see us as potential to giving them a "better life", Visa, boyfriend and some will do anything to reel you in; they are not dumb. So, the question becomes what do you do to prevent this: Simple- keep it all business, no overnights, smash and then go and see her maybe once per trip. Keep a rotation of many girls and up front tell them you are not looking for anything serious. If she starts showing feelings and cannot handle it, then cut her loose by telling her you have a girlfriend back home and want to make it work with her and not sabotage things, but thanks for everything. You will have to stop communication with her, and time will heal everything. Do not fall into the trap when she tells you she is "okay with an open relationship" as she is hoping you will eventually come around and really fall for her. But, again, you sort of have to be selfish unless you are looking for a girlfriend. I have been mongering for 15 years, have had many girlfriends, and have really good game so I have been in your shoes and know how to prevent them from going in too deep or vice versa. Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2918834]Jaja ok but I'd rather use obvious gringo spanish than perfectly correct spanish. For example I write "me gusta tus fotos" instead of "me gustan tus fotos". When my phone spellchecks manana and adds an accent mark I delete it. Chicas love gringo spanish with all the understandable errors imo. Also lets them know it's not from a translator app.[/QUOTE]Maybe, but knowing how and when to use "ni" is good because you have 'ni en broma' and 'ni en pedo' and so forth. Your theory about chicas preferring worse Spanish to better Spanish is intriguing but not persuasive as my experience has been the opposite.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2918841]Okay, I am going to just be brutally honest but parts of you say you do not want women latching and getting feelings for you, but you broke the cardinal sin of going back to the well too many times. You are okay with the one gal staying 5 days in a row with you almost 24/7. Any normal young girl not hardened yet is going to develop feelings for you.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Normal chicks want to be in relationships and he is doing a bunch of relationship stuff while screaming he does not want a relationship. His actions are speaking louder than his words.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2918874]Exactly. Normal chicks want to be in relationships and he is doing a bunch of relationship stuff while screaming he does not want a relationship. His actions are speaking louder than his words.[/QUOTE]The veterans and expats over in Thailand suggest this 3 days rule. While it's okay to take girls out for dinner, clubs, tours, etc. , never do it with any one girl for more than 3 days during any one trip. Realize that everything is merely a fantasy that must end with transactions and then move on. Use the experience if one wants, as practice if one should ever go for a non-working girl in a real relationship.

San Peter Apartment, CL. 41 A #70-42, Laureles. Estadio, Medellíand, Antioquia, Colombia is a good option for a first timer in Medellin.

First and foremost, the building is chica / guest / visitor friendly and has a good security / reception desk. The girls must have a valid original ID (Cidulla). And the girl is allowed to leave only once you approve it.

Second is that the building location is great! The building is in Laureles / Estadio neighborhood, which is not as expensive as Poblado but not as scary / unsafe as Centro. Exito supermarket for all your booze, grocery / food, and toiletries needs is only a one block walk. La 70 street with a line up of bars and nightlife is just one street over. The Estadio metro station is a short doable walk away. There are many good food joints, but I enjoyed breakfast the most at Al Alma, Café Primavera, Semilla café, and Café Revolution; all within 3-5 minutes' walk. I also recommend the taco / Mexican food truck that is on La 70 on opposite side of the apartment. It is the taco truck with the staff dressed in white with red hats and every evening / night, they have a long line of people waiting for their orders.

The Medellin Sports Bar ([URL]https://www.facebook.com/MedellinSportsBar/[/URL]) on the first floor of the building is a very good hangout spot for a newcomer. The bar owner, Joe, is American and a very helpful guy. You'll find other mongers hanging out there, watching games, and enjoying food. Each night has a different theme. When I was there, there were poker tournaments, language exchange night, and a ladies (free drinks) night. You can find the information on the Bar's FB page. At night, there are always a few chicas there hoping to get picked up. I was quoted 150 K pesos for 2 hours.

The apartments are decent size and have all the basic amenities. Most have a safe to store your valuables (not big enough for a laptop, though), hot (not cold) water, a washer, and an AC in bedroom in most apartments. Each apartment is owned by different owners, and you can book via Airbnb or [URL]Booking.com[/URL]. If you are worried about bar noise at night, book a room that is on the higher floor. Also, any apartment numbers ending in 2 or 3 (I. E. 202 or 203) have a bedroom towards the back of the building, which also cuts down the noise at night significantly.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2918874]Exactly. Normal chicks want to be in relationships and he is doing a bunch of relationship stuff while screaming he does not want a relationship. His actions are speaking louder than his words.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I zoned out after he went to a girl's family house / party and fixed their AC but was confused why the girl was into him. What did he expect? That the girl was going to introduce him, "Hey mom, here is a random guy that is paying to blow out my back out. But don't worry, it's not serious or anything, he's just using my body for a few days before he goes back to his real family. ".

This is the type of guy that hardens these girls by the time they are 25. They whisper sweet nothings into their ear, cling to the girls for a week or month at a time, get them hoping for something more, and then walk away blaming the girl for getting clingy. I've found that the best way to handle this is to be open with the girl about what you want and keep a reasonable distance to save both you catching feelings. Or date some older women because they will be wise to the game and can "generally" handle the tourist girlfriend role. The naive 19 year old is probably getting her first taste of a guy that has some money and doesn't treat her like trash, a steep departure from her regular experience.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2918988]Yeah, I zoned out after he went to a girl's family house / party and fixed their AC but was confused why the girl was into him. What did he expect? That the girl was going to introduce him, "Hey mom, here is a random guy that is paying to blow out my back out. But don't worry, it's not serious or anything, he's just using my body for a few days before he goes back to his real family. ".

This is the type of guy that hardens these girls by the time they are 25. They whisper sweet nothings into their ear, cling to the girls for a week or month at a time, get them hoping for something more, and then walk away blaming the girl for getting clingy. I've found that the best way to handle this is to be open with the girl about what you want and keep a reasonable distance to save both you catching feelings. Or date some older women because they will be wise to the game and can "generally" handle the tourist girlfriend role. The naive 19 year old is probably getting her first taste of a guy that has some money and doesn't treat her like trash, a steep departure from her regular experience.[/QUOTE]It's pretty obvious that you are a Captain Save a Ho. How has that worked out for you so far?

First, thanks to those who gave me real input. Point taken. I broke the 3-day rule, was nice / nontransactional, etc. I get it; But I have been very honest with them from the first date. I very clearly said to them all I did not want a girlfriend, wife, or anything serious; let's just have fun, and they all agreed. Granted I should not be doing BF type shit with very young girls expecting anything different. I will have just to do what needs to be done and end it. I was just hoping for a different answer, maybe something I did not know; when there was none.

[QUOTE=ElDonX;2918760]I think it's not your fault as you are an anomaly, just born that way or how they say in Colombia "malparido" You got looks, game, and probably a 30 cm cock, in other words you may have inherited all these traits from a woman with a lot of DNA that gave those qualities, or like they say in Colombia "hijodeputa".[/QUOTE]As for the author of this quote. If you are man enough, meet me face to face and say that to my face. No matter where you are, I will come to you. Drop your location in my PM, and I will show you who exactly is the son of a working girl. If you are in Colombia, we can meet today. If you are anywhere else, I will be there within 48 hours. Lets see how brave you really are. Come through clown, and hit my PM.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2918988]Yeah, I zoned out after he went to a girl's family house / party and fixed their AC but was confused why the girl was into him..[/QUOTE]Lmao Mr HVAC repair man thinks he's a player in Medellin but has to ask a hooker board for advice. Fucking ROTFLMAO kinda dumb shit the newbies post here now a days.

My advice to the HVAC repair man would be to stop stringing the girl along.

-Gabacho Out.

[QUOTE=KebabOperator;2919021]But I have been very honest with them from the first date. I very clearly said to them all I did not want a girlfriend, wife, or anything serious; let's just have fun, and they all agreed.[/QUOTE]Have you ever gone out with a chick and she was very honest with you and told you there would be no fucking and you agreed, but then ended up fucking anyway? Sometimes people are very clear about stuff and their actions show they changed their mind.

Do not throw the baby out with the bathwater. I tell chicks on the dating site all the time that you can not "look" for a relationship the same way you can not walk out of your house and look for people to be friends with you. All you can hope to do is meet people. Things progress and develop naturally. In your case 3 things progressed naturally at the same time, but that is not a course you wanted to take.

Hello Gents,

I was wondering if any of you would have a good way for asking a girl you have added as a "Friend" on Facebook in Medellin is down for play for play or not (she may be just a civilian)? I am aware that you can fairly easily spot out the pros, sugar babies, FB girls by their photos, friends, etc. But, some of them look "questionable" if they are FB gals down for action" and could be just normal girls not down for play 4 play.

So, I would not want to offend the questionable ones or get banned by FB by asking if they are down to go out, have some adult fun in return for some pesos. Do any of you have some sort of way to ask these questionable girls in Spanish if they are down for play for play or do I just need to be direct (while risking getting reported on FB) ? Much appreciated.

SB.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2918518]I had previously asked a ton of questions here which peeved off some of the dudes here but as I said, I always give back. My review will likely help the newbies more than the veterans but at least I have current intel. Since Medellin Colombia has been one of the most popular mongering destinations in the world now, I finally took a trip down there this month for a few days. I arrived to Medellin via Panama since I was vacationing in Cayman Islands before my journey to Colombia. At the airport, I noticed that there are big banners advising travellers that sexual tourism with underage individuals is illegal and can result in big jail time. Okay this is a fair issue but I heard that the Medellin mayor has been trying to crack down on prostitution and this was his way of doing it. I agree about staying away from underage girls but this banner campaign is just too much over the top in my opinion and won't stop mongering with adult ladies who consent. Anyway, as I get to the immigration line, I was pointed to go to the line on the far left which is the unofficial line for Canadian passport holders. While the other immigration lines were cleared, only those of us in this last line remained and I saw the folks ahead of my were pulling out their credit cards. This was for the tourist tax that Colombia has slapped on Canadians at 270,000 COP which is about $100 Cad. When it was my turn in front of the immigration officer, I handed him my passport and visa card. He promptly processed the payment and then stamped my passport. He didn't even ask my any questions so it was clear that all they cared was collecting the payment. For all of you non-Canucks wondering why this happening, apparently my Canadian government slapped a visa requirement of some type for Colombians wishing to travel to Canada and this is a way for the Colombian government to get back at us..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the post, insightful and informative.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2919164]Hello Gents,

I was wondering if any of you would have a good way for asking a girl you have added as a "Friend" on Facebook in Medellin is down for play for play or not (she may be just a civilian)? I am aware that you can fairly easily spot out the pros, sugar babies, FB girls by their photos, friends, etc. But, some of them look "questionable" if they are FB gals down for action" and could be just normal girls not down for play 4 play.

So, I would not want to offend the questionable ones or get banned by FB by asking if they are down to go out, have some adult fun in return for some pesos. Do any of you have some sort of way to ask these questionable girls in Spanish if they are down for play for play or do I just need to be direct (while risking getting reported on FB) ? Much appreciated.

SB.[/QUOTE]For a lot of girls in Colombia the line between BF and customer is one that blends into each other. While you can be 'American' and bluntly ask away; you may find more success by taking a softer approach in a more Latin friendly way, more of a gentleman and less of a monger: "Hi there beautiful, I'm going to be visiting Medellin for the first time and was wondering if you would be interested in a date with me during my visit? Of course, I'll compensate you appropriately for your time and will treat you with respect. If you aren't interested, that is perfectly fine; just thought you were very pretty and interesting. " Google Translate or ChatGPT can give that back to you in Spanish. But you get the gist. I find many girls who may not 'do this for a living' react quite positively and everyone knows what you are talking about when you mention that you are 'visiting' and will compensate her. If you are worried she may not get the hint about it being about sex, can always drop a mention about wanting to experience a fun and passionate night during your trip. Wanting a passionate time is very clear way to explain that sex is part of what you expect, though I think the girls get it when you mention you will compensate them for their time.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2919010]It's pretty obvious that you are a Captain Save a Ho. How has that worked out for you so far?[/QUOTE]Pretty well, I guess. I get to travel internationally and domestically, meet attractive women, have some fun with them and back get to my boring, well-paid middle manager job. I still have my youth so I am trying to live this part of my life to the fullest before settling down. Having grown up in poverty, I can't complain even though I didn't hit it big in crypto. I haven't had to deal with clingy girls since I don't string them along and I'm not looking to fill some sort of emotional need for a relationship. And the majority of mongering experiences have been positive for me, usually pseudo romantic, open-minded and fun. There have been some bad experiences but I'm not a checklist kinda guy so the majority are what I'm looking for and leave me satisfied. And no, I'm not here to save any "hos", I'm looking for pleasure, not a relationship. I just don't pretend it's anything different or try to take out some deep-seated frustration about women on these girls.

By the way, I booked my ticket for Medellin during the first two weeks of August so if anyone wants to hang out, reach out over PM. Would love to hang out and shoot the shit.

There is plenty of information about New Life casa on this forum and I am just adding to it. Here is a picture of the price card from a couple of weeks ago. If you are walking to New Life from Plaza Botero, I recommend you take the route I have highlighted in the attached photo of the map. This route is busy with people and has many shops along the way so it is safe and scenic.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2919042]Lmao Mr HVAC repair man thinks he's a player in Medellin but has to ask a hooker board for advice. Fucking ROTFLMAO kinda dumb shit the newbies post here now a days.

My advice to the HVAC repair man would be to stop stringing the girl along.

-Gabacho Out.[/QUOTE]First, this "Hvac repair" man does not think shit, he Knows precisely who he is. I was just asking about people's experiences to see if it is normal for girls to go from 0 to 100 in a week and become Grade A clingers as I am new to Colombia not the hobby. I never claimed to be a player, etc. I live my life, and I do well for myself wherever I go. I was simply asking veterans for their input and experiences, but this board seems to be populated by a good number of losers behind keyboards talking shit and not offering any valuable information or advice (which is the primary purpose of the board such as this). Just hiding behind keyboards with their fake online persona.

Second, this "HVAC repair man" has more degrees and honors / awards than your entire bloodline combined, so if you are going to talk shit and be derogatory, buddy, pick someone in your own weight class and tax bracket.

Finally, for the record, just because someone understands a simple engineering scheme does not make them HVAC repairs man. Not that there is anything wrong with people doing HVAC or other blue-collar jobs. Read a book, maybe you can help your subpar IQ.

[QUOTE]Veterans, I need your input: I think I fucked up. Thus, please share your experiences with similar things.

I went the local girl route, and 3 of the girls caught feelings. One literally shows up to my place unannounced with food and shit, and I had to move APTs because of that. Don't get me wrong, these are all nice girls but I am not looking for a wife, responsibility, kids, headaches, etc. Wtf do I do to let them down easy and not cause a whole scene? I don't need heat from locals.

The other girl I got invited to her family's place for a party. While I was there, a freaking AC broke, and everyone was very upset, and I was like easy fix, that's a capacitor so I said get on your bike, take me to a shop to buy this. It's literally a 15-minute fix. There are other things that happened, but basically, this girl is legit asking for kids now. I told her I am a fucking hoe etc she does not care. Tells me its okay. She does not ask for money, cooks, and cleans my place without me asking. Literally became my DD / Taxi. I was stumbling out of a bar one time she saw me when she was out with friends, took me home, took care of me. Then I got cold as well as Deli belly because I got caught in the rain and ate some stupid street shit in the barrio. I did not answer on WhatsApp and kind of disappeared. She showed up with her sister and with groceries in tow. They deep-cleaned my place at the hospital level clean. This 21-year-old girl literally was spoon-feeding me soups watching Rick and Morty in bed with me sick for 5 days. I was helping her do her university homework in bed; every morning, I got woken up by a BJ etc. Like the whole wifey treatment. Either she is a fantastic actress or caught feelings hard and basically told me okay for an open relationship on my part, closed on her; but I still don't want to string her along. How the fuck do I get out of this as words are not getting through to her head? She does not mind me sleeping around, even hitting on her friends, drinking, or smoking as long as she gets to sleep with me at night. Not even sex, she just want to sleep with me every night. This is getting so weird. Like I go home from work and find her sitting on my steps waiting for me. To be honest, I like her the most out of the roster, but she basically dropped everything for me, and I don't want to ruin a good girl's life. The other day, I had to force her to go to University as instead, she was going to market to run errands for me because I said I needed x why z.

The third girl I met in Naufrago is some sort of celebrity or something here. She has a kid and basically wants a steady man, and I was very clear I am not that. She won't leave me alone; all day, she blows up my phone. She saw me at an event thing by Cabra Andaluz and caused a whole scene with crocodile tears, etc. , and tried to fight the girl I was with. She knows a friend of mine who is a local and blew up his wife's phone about me. The other day was sitting outside my old place crying in her car until I got a call from a neighbor. My neighbor was laughing at me so hard. What flavor of crazy is this? I don't do anything flashy, I don't even wear jewelry, I don't flash cash. I don't even have a car or speak decent Spanish, LOL. Why? Granted, I am not 65 or ulgy, but girls are going ape shit real quick from 0 to 100 in a week. All I did was invite her for a ride on a rental bike the next day, and she went off after that.

What am I doing wrong? How do I prevent this in the future? Is this normal here? Any real advice is appreciated veterans. Everyone else, you all are also welcome to laugh at my train-wreck of the current situation. [/QUOTE]

Seems like you got oneitis. Was it your 1st in medellin? Be very careful falling for these chicks, they only care about your money. I've had chicks whisper all kinds of sweet nothings, I love you, I might be pregnant with your baby, You don't have to pay me no more because we are BF / GF. If you read some of my past reports I even went to Bello to meet a chicks fam.

Seems like there playing the long game with you and your the one catching feels by how your leading them on.

These putas are very good at extracting money from us. And it's all they care about at the end of the day. Always remember that.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2919257]Seems like you got oneitis. Was it your 1st in medellin? Be very careful falling for these chicks, they only care about your money. I've had chicks whisper all kinds of sweet nothings, I love you, I might be pregnant with your baby, You don't have to pay me no more because we are BF / GF. If you read some of my past reports I even went to Bello to meet a chicks fam.

Seems like there playing the long game with you and your the one catching feels by how your leading them on.

These putas are very good at extracting money from us. And it's all they care about at the end of the day. Always remember that.[/QUOTE]I think he was talking about 3 local girls not putas falling for him.

Money hungry / interested and the long game might still be in play.

But most relationships end up transactional anyway.

[QUOTE=DownLow123;2919257]
These putas are very good at extracting money from us. And it's all they care about at the end of the day. Always remember that.[/QUOTE]I think he said he chooses the non-paying route so he is not paying these girls. You probably know his experience better.

[QUOTE=KebabOperator;2919250]First, this "Hvac repair" man does not think shit, he Knows precisely who he is. [/QUOTE]I think you know what you are doing and you probably know why the girls react to you this way. I think you said this is your choice so you must have confidence given that you are not new to this game. You are not answering the critical piece of information that have been mentioned more than once. My immediate reaction is that you must be extremely attractive that is why you have many girls exhibiting the same behavior. It will be difficult for me to believe you don't know it if that is the case. You can't say you are a 10 because you would be mocked so I said it for you.

[QUOTE=KebabOperator;2919250]but this board seems to be populated by a good number of losers behind keyboards talking shit and not offering any valuable information or advice (which is the primary purpose of the board such as this). Just hiding behind keyboards with their fake online persona.[/QUOTE]They are quite helpful actually, but probably not in this case. Many members meet each other in person so they know others beyond keyboards . Try look at it from their perspective.

[QUOTE=KebabOperator;2919250]
Second, this "HVAC repair man" has more degrees and honors / awards than your entire bloodline combined, so if you are going to talk shit and be derogatory, buddy, pick someone in your own weight class and tax bracket.[/QUOTE]I am asking these to help out so it will be seen less like you are bragging. How many degrees do you have? What is your tax bracket?

[QUOTE=NuKamdev;2919237]There is plenty of information about New Life casa on this forum and I am just adding to it. Here is a picture of the price card from a couple of weeks ago. If you are walking to New Life from Plaza Botero, I recommend you take the route I have highlighted in the attached photo of the map. This route is busy with people and has many shops along the way so it is safe and scenic.[/QUOTE]What did you think about the quality and quantity of women there? Was there BBBJ? Was the sex covered? Affectionate? Thanks.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2919488]What did you think about the quality and quantity of women there? Was there BBBJ? Was the sex covered? Affectionate? Thanks.[/QUOTE]On a weekday, there are 20-25 women of all sizes and types. I had hard time remembering name and number of the women during the line up; women come one by one and introduce themselves. On Sunday, the selection is much less. BBBJ is available but it is between you and the girl once you are in the room, and another 20 K to 30 K extra. I have not been able to work out BBFS at New Life. I have found women to be affectionate (of course, no GFE) there; better guarantee than Centro or Poblado pickups. In that aspect, my experiences at New Life have been better than even other casas. You can also get the girl's number and arrange for something outside New Life.

I have been to MDE first time back in March and again in May. First time I stayed in Airbnb and it was very convenient. However, in April there have been some more restriction over Airbnb so I took chance with hotel Du parc back in May.

Based on my May experience. Both AirbNbn and Hotel now a days strictly checks physical IDs and original passport / immigration stamp in case of Venezuelans. I almost had to do every session in cheap hotels in May.

Any recommendation for ID free Airbnb walk-able to Lleras Park? I know the risks involved with ID free arrangements, but most girls I happen to like are Venezuelans and they often don't have immigration stamps etc. I take enough precautions before I invite girls to my hotel.

Also has the scene at Lleras Park changed? Is it back to normal now? I am planning to be in MDE in 2 weeks so can use help with ID friendly hotels / Airbnb recommendation. TY TY.

Appreciate the help. Feel free to DM me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2919112]Have you ever gone out with a chick and she was very honest with you and told you there would be no fucking and you agreed, but then ended up fucking anyway? Sometimes people are very clear about stuff and their actions show they changed their mind.

Do not throw the baby out with the bathwater. I tell chicks on the dating site all the time that you can not "look" for a relationship the same way you can not walk out of your house and look for people to be friends with you. All you can hope to do is meet people. Things progress and develop naturally. In your case 3 things progressed naturally at the same time, but that is not a course you wanted to take.[/QUOTE]Words of wisdom and well said Mr. E.

Most of your posts are all about asking questions but not contributing to the community.

You have been to Brazil, Colombia in the past, also asked questions and your reports are missing.

[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2919735]I have been to MDE first time back in March and again in May. First time I stayed in Airbnb and it was very convenient. However, in April there have been some more restriction over Airbnb so I took chance with hotel Du parc back in May.

Based on my May experience. Both AirbNbn and Hotel now a days strictly checks physical IDs and original passport / immigration stamp in case of Venezuelans. I almost had to do every session in cheap hotels in May.

Any recommendation for ID free Airbnb walk-able to Lleras Park? I know the risks involved with ID free arrangements, but most girls I happen to like are Venezuelans and they often don't have immigration stamps etc. I take enough precautions before I invite girls to my hotel.

Also has the scene at Lleras Park changed? Is it back to normal now? I am planning to be in MDE in 2 weeks so can use help with ID friendly hotels / Airbnb recommendation. TY TY.

Appreciate the help. Feel free to DM me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NuKamdev;2919722]On a weekday, there are 20-25 women of all sizes and types. I had hard time remembering name and number of the women during the line up; women come one by one and introduce themselves. On Sunday, the selection is much less. BBBJ is available but it is between you and the girl once you are in the room, and another 20 K to 30 K extra. I have not been able to work out BBFS at New Life. I have found women to be affectionate (of course, no GFE) there; better guarantee than Centro or Poblado pickups. In that aspect, my experiences at New Life have been better than even other casas. You can also get the girl's number and arrange for something outside New Life.[/QUOTE]The one girl I took at New Life was talking something about natural vs condom just before she started the BJ for extra propina. She may have mentioned this a few more times during our session but I'm not sure if she meant just natural during the BJ or FS or both since she talked way too fast for me and I'm only at very basic Spanish level.

He was with a puta. [URL]https://www.elespectador.com/colombia/encontraron-sin-vida-a-extranjero-de-54-anos-al-interior-de-un-hotel-en-medellin/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0j42TCVLlaqEb2jrGwB1RT95UJguXoaX1OxJeHdlKjf7T-vqyb-Nmxxws_aem_AbOzDBxLpuWJAYbUa7Wtn0ngVVZfPpjXriExK4anolrvR-16aEXQJ8QdyuMSc1ENmT7dP0NSG4_J7TBLHXW2NtXX[/URL].

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2919811]He was with a puta. [URL]https://www.elespectador.com/colombia/encontraron-sin-vida-a-extranjero-de-54-anos-al-interior-de-un-hotel-en-medellin/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0j42TCVLlaqEb2jrGwB1RT95UJguXoaX1OxJeHdlKjf7T-vqyb-Nmxxws_aem_AbOzDBxLpuWJAYbUa7Wtn0ngVVZfPpjXriExK4anolrvR-16aEXQJ8QdyuMSc1ENmT7dP0NSG4_J7TBLHXW2NtXX[/URL].[/QUOTE]Crazy thing is how many dudes get drugged and robbed and you never hear about it. Likewise, mongers come here and leave without issue.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2919815]Crazy thing is how many dudes get drugged and robbed and you never hear about it. Likewise, mongers come here and leave without issue.[/QUOTE]If you never heard about these druggings and robberies, how do you know that there is a lot of them? I don't know how you can say that there is a lot when it is not reported and you never hear about them.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;2919815]Crazy thing is how many dudes get drugged and robbed and you never hear about it. Likewise, mongers come here and leave without issue.[/QUOTE]According to the article 27 non-immigrant foreigners dead in 5 months. At this rate we are looking at 65 by year's end. I am known to press my luck, but not like that.

[QUOTE=KebabOperator;2918689]Then I got cold as well as Deli belly because I got caught in the rain and ate some stupid street shit in the barrio. I did not answer on WhatsApp and kind of disappeared. She showed up with her sister and with groceries in tow. They deep-cleaned my place at the hospital level clean. This 21-year-old girl literally was spoon-feeding me soups watching Rick and Morty in bed with me sick for 5 days. I was helping her do her university homework in bed; every morning, I got woken up by a BJ etc. Like the whole wifey treatment. Either she is a fantastic actress or caught feelings hard and basically told me okay for an open relationship on my part, closed on her; but I still don't want to string her along. How the fuck do I get out of this as words are not getting through to her head? She does not mind me sleeping around, even hitting on her friends, drinking, or smoking as long as she gets to sleep with me at night. Not even sex, she just want to sleep with me every night. This is getting so weird. Like I go home from work and find her sitting on my steps waiting for me. To be honest, I like her the most out of the roster, but she basically dropped everything for me, and I don't want to ruin a good girl's life. The other day, I had to force her to go to University as instead, she was going to market to run errands for me because I said I needed x why z. What am I doing wrong? How do I prevent this in the future? Is this normal here? Any real advice is appreciated veterans. Everyone else, you all are also welcome to laugh at my train-wreck of the current situation.[/QUOTE]You did not do anything wrong. You are just being overwhelmed with what Colombian women do when they like a guy. If you do not like the girl, end it with her. If you do, play it out with her but be honest and say you are seeing other people. You are pretty much a lottery ticket for her. If she does not win you, she will be bummed but she is not going to go all Fatal Attraction on you. My gal will spend an hour cutting my nails and we have been together for years and literally will not let any of my clothes go unwashed. That is just what they do. Honestly, the real issue is not that Colombian women act this way and are so giving but why other women do not.

[QUOTE=KebabOperator;2918689]She has a kid and basically wants a steady man, and I was very clear I am not that. She won't leave me alone; all day, she blows up my phone. She saw me at an event thing by Cabra Andaluz and caused a whole scene with crocodile tears, etc. , and tried to fight the girl I was with. She knows a friend of mine who is a local and blew up his wife's phone about me. The other day was sitting outside my old place crying in her car until I got a call from a neighbor. My neighbor was laughing at me so hard. What flavor of crazy is this? I don't do anything flashy, I don't even wear jewelry, I don't flash cash. I don't even have a car or speak decent Spanish, LOL. Why? Granted, I am not 65 or ulgy, but girls are going ape shit real quick from 0 to 100 in a week. All I did was invite her for a ride on a rental bike the next day, and she went off after that.[/QUOTE]Colombian women get really intense, really fast if they like you. Routinely, they want to talk to you for hours on end every night. It sounds like you got a crazy one here, and in this case, I would just block and ignore her and let everyone around you know that you are not with her. I know she keeps injecting herself into your life but just ignore her.

When I say, you are the lottery ticket type. Whatever income you make, multiply it by 10 and that is how rich you are in Colombia. If you make $100 k per year, that is like making a million with Colombian women. Colombian men frequently cheat, are drug addicted, physically violent, and often do not care about their kids. Getting a good looking guy who moves well is the easy part for Colombian women, and because there are so many of those guys, the women culturally are told to go after rich men. So if you are a nice decent looking guy making $100 k in the USA, you really are not that special in the USA anymore, but in Colombia, you are the shit.

If you have all this going on, then you have to change your attitude and how you present yourself. Consider yourself like a female 10. If the woman gives off any positive vibe to men, they are going to hit on the woman, so the 10's have to be careful not to give off that vibe. So maybe quit being so nice and helpful.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2919856]If you have all this going on, then you have to change your attitude and how you present yourself. Consider yourself like a female 10. If the woman gives off any positive vibe to men, they are going to hit on the woman, so the 10's have to be careful not to give off that vibe. So maybe quit being so nice and helpful.[/QUOTE]Especially the case if she thinks you are okay with accepting any kids she has. Unfortunately, I have a friend who recently married a Colombian woman who also came with a preteen daughter, ie. , had to take as a package. A few months later, he's admitting that there are many 'challenges' in their marriage. I almost wanted to tell him that just because you fuck them, it doesn't mean you have to marry them.

Shit happens.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2919828]If you never heard about these druggings and robberies, how do you know that there is a lot of them? I don't know how you can say that there is a lot when it is not reported and you never hear about them.[/QUOTE]

In Unicentro Mall (located in the Laureles / Estadio neighborhood), there is a mobile shop; if you enter the mall from the University side entrance, take a right and it is the fourth or fifth store on the right. For 20000 pesos, I got a Claro SIM card with unlimited calls, 4 GB data and free FB and WhatsApp data for 7 days. You can add more minutes / data as needed. I did not have to provide any documentation. I was told that registration with the telephone company is not required if you are keeping the number for less than 20 days. The girl at the counter activated the SIM and tested it in my phone. I had no connectivity issue during my stay.

[QUOTE=NuKamdev;2919919]In Unicentro Mall (located in the Laureles / Estadio neighborhood), there is a mobile shop; if you enter the mall from the University side entrance, take a right and it is the fourth or fifth store on the right. For 20000 pesos, I got a Claro SIM card with unlimited calls, 4 GB data and free FB and WhatsApp data for 7 days. You can add more minutes / data as needed. I did not have to provide any documentation. I was told that registration with the telephone company is not required if you are keeping the number for less than 20 days. The girl at the counter activated the SIM and tested it in my phone. I had no connectivity issue during my stay.[/QUOTE]I did the eSim route through Airalo with their Latin America plan since I was touring 3 different countries and it worked great. Used it for both Google Maps and Uber when I was in the city.

[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2919735]Any recommendation for ID free Airbnb walk-able to Lleras Park? I know the risks involved with ID free arrangements, but most girls I happen to like are Venezuelans and they often don't have immigration stamps etc. I take enough precautions before I invite girls to my hotel.[/QUOTE]Use the AirBnb filter for places with self-check-in. That's what I choose. I get nice apartments (in one right now) with a keypad for entry into building and into apartment, no doorman, no one to explain anything to, nice private stay. Hundreds of places qualify like this. I personally prefer to stay in the Manila area (south of Poblado). Quieter calmer area.

[QUOTE=KebabOperator;2919250]First, this "Hvac repair" man does not think shit, he Knows precisely who he is. I was just asking about people's experiences to see if it is normal for girls to go from 0 to 100 in a week and become Grade A clingers as I am new to Colombia not the hobby. I never claimed to be a player, etc. I live my life, and I do well for myself wherever I go. I was simply asking veterans for their input and experiences, but this board seems to be populated by a good number of losers behind keyboards talking shit and not offering any valuable information or advice (which is the primary purpose of the board such as this). Just hiding behind keyboards with their fake online persona.

Second, this "HVAC repair man" has more degrees and honors / awards than your entire bloodline combined, so if you are going to talk shit and be derogatory, buddy, pick someone in your own weight class and tax bracket.

Finally, for the record, just because someone understands a simple engineering scheme does not make them HVAC repairs man. Not that there is anything wrong with people doing HVAC or other blue-collar jobs. Read a book, maybe you can help your subpar IQ.[/QUOTE]Women are women no matter where you're at. Do you think just because you're in Colombia that changes? No, the only difference is they're motivated by money more than in a developed country. If you're this much of a playboy then you've had experience in your own country and would not need to ask a board based primarily on paying for sex on what to do. Makes no sense.

My boots are on the ground here in Medellíand. Arrived yesterday and I have not seen much difference since the supposed prostitution ban started. There are several prominent signs at the airport warning against trafficking minors. But there were a large number of foreigners entering the country yesterday (6/2) and it took me about an hour to get through the customs line. Which is always the worst part of the trip to Medellíand.

However, no one asked to see my phone and I was not hassled at all. Just stamped my passport and on I went.

I went on a date with a local girl in the evening and then headed over to Fase II to check it out. I arrived around 11 pm and there was a 40 k cover at the door. The selection of chicas was much better than I recalled, and there were a few I would consider hot.

As usual, the standard price for every chicas was 400 k. I am not sure how much time that buys. Some chicas will tell you 30 minutes, some will say 45, some will say 1 hour. I am not sure if some are more generous or if some are being honest and others are not. I would not expect to get more than 30 minutes no matter what they say; anything you get past that is a bonus.

The chicas complained how there were not many guys there that night. Apparently the previous night, Saturday night, was very good for them. I would say there were around 20 chicas there and maybe 6 or 7 guys.

I was really not planning on getting a chica unless one was just too good to resist. And one was close, but not quite. I expect a lot of value for 400 k and it's just not worth rolling the dice on a pretty chica with a very serious demeanor who you know is only interested in your money and is probably not that good in bed. I just enjoyed having the chicas come up to me and take their best shot. That was worth the cover for me. And of course, every 15 minutes or so, a chica will get on stage and dance.

A sure sign of how ridiculous the prices have gotten, I had two below average chicas sit with me in Fase II and offer to spend the rest of the night with me in my hotel for "only" 2. 4 million pesos. They offered this with very straight faces. I laughed hard. I probably would have paid them a small amount to keep them away from my hotel if that was necessary. They were not above a 4 or anyone's scale.

Who is paying these prices that makes these chicas think they can make multi-million peso offers?

I didn't go to Lleras Park because it was raining. And after what I just had heard, I shuttered to think what they might be offering at Gusto's, where you might actually find some 9's or 10's lurking in the shadows. You might also find a chica there who could make you the subject of a news article. With the rain, and being half way sure it was a ghost town on a Sunday night, I didn't even bother going down there. Maybe one of you nice fellas can tell me what I missed (or didn't).

[QUOTE=NuKamdev;2918465]It was Sunday so I had very few options. I decided to visit The Club Swinger at Cra. 44 #25-45, El Poblado, Medelland, Antioquia, Colombia ([URL]https://www.theclubswinger.com[/URL]).[/QUOTE]I meant to reply to this earlier. I have been there, and it was nice it is a pretty calm place (and I was there Saturday with a girl). But talking to folks who have been to the majority of swinger clubs in town, they recommend that the current 'happening' one is Lujuria Swinger Club ([URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/Cv3EMP5d1zthThik8[/URL]). I haven't been yet, but will probably go check it out in my next in-town visit. I have no idea how their Sunday or similar gang-bang night is (it's Tuesday), but from their Facebook feed; seems they have 2-3 girls and may be a larger operation.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2920170]My boots are on the ground here in Medelland. Arrived yesterday and I have not seen much difference since the supposed prostitution ban started. There are several prominent signs at the airport warning against trafficking minors. But there were a large number of foreigners entering the country yesterday (6/2) and it took me about an hour to get through the customs line. Which is always the worst part of the trip to Medelland.

However, no one asked to see my phone and I was not hassled at all. Just stamped my passport and on I went.

I went on a date with a local girl in the evening and then headed over to Fase II to check it out. I arrived around 11 pm and there was a 40 k cover at the door. The selection of chicas was much better than I recalled, and there were a few I would consider hot.

As usual, the standard price for every chicas was 400 k. I am not sure how much time that buys. Some chicas will tell you 30 minutes, some will say 45, some will say 1 hour. I am not sure if some are more generous or if some are being honest and others are not. I would not expect to get more than 30 minutes no matter what they say; anything you get past that is a bonus.

The chicas complained how there were not many guys there that night. Apparently the previous night, Saturday night, was very good for them. I would say there were around 20 chicas there and maybe 6 or 7 guys.

I was really not planning on getting a chica unless one was just too good to resist. And one was close, but not quite. I expect a lot of value for 400 k and it's just not worth rolling the dice on a pretty chica with a very serious demeanor who you know is only interested in your money and is probably not that good in bed. I just enjoyed having the chicas come up to me and take their best shot. That was worth the cover for me. And of course, every 15 minutes or so, a chica will get on stage and dance.

A sure sign of how ridiculous the prices have gotten, I had two below average chicas sit with me in Fase II and offer to spend the rest of the night with me in my hotel for "only" 2. 4 million pesos. They offered this with very straight faces. I laughed hard. I probably would have paid them a small amount to keep them away from my hotel if that was necessary. They were not above a 4 or anyone's scale.

Who is paying these prices that makes these chicas think they can make multi-million peso offers?

I didn't go to Lleras Park because it was raining. And after what I just had heard, I shuttered to think what they might be offering at Gusto's, where you might actually find some 9's or 10's lurking in the shadows. You might also find a chica there who could make you the subject of a news article. With the rain, and being half way sure it was a ghost town on a Sunday night, I didn't even bother going down there. Maybe one of you nice fellas can tell me what I missed (or didn't).[/QUOTE]Were there any drink minimums? I need to knock off Fase on my bucket list but never like bottle / table minimums that get you entrenched in possible scams and take forever to leave.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2919828]If you never heard about these druggings and robberies, how do you know that there is a lot of them? I don't know how you can say that there is a lot when it is not reported and you never hear about them.[/QUOTE]As other guy commented, projected 65 dead this year if linear progress (a big assumption). I never knock someone for being vigilant, its being overconfident that is a detriment. That being said there's like 4 flights daily just from Spirit, just from Miami to MDE every day. Often feels like a quarter to half the plane are dudes there for action. In all the Lleras Park youtube vids you can see a lot doing the wrong moves; approaching clearly / debatable young chicas, getting hammered, sharing / open drinks, cash & wallet out, expensive phones out with selfie sticks, being obnoxious, being alone in alleys. With the hundreds in MDE every week, I'm surprised reported incidents aren't higher. So if the reported stats are relatively low, I'd extrapolate that by simply not doing those 7 wrongs greatly further aids success. Not be fearful, just be prepared.

I don't think they want their names to be on this site so I remove them.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2920293]Were there any drink minimums? I need to knock off Fase on my bucket list but never like bottle / table minimums that get you entrenched in possible scams and take forever to leave.[/QUOTE]No drink minimum on Fase dos and can confirm. I was there last April 2024 and wrote a detailed review about it. You can look it up.

When I went there, I only spent 1 corona beer (35 k, if I remember) and 1 drink (50 k, for some mixed drink LOL) for the girl that I decided to do the deed. They did not even pressure me to buy another drink, unlike the strip clubs in Santa Fe, Bogota, where they will make sure you spent money on drinks while inside or they will kick you out of the club LOL.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2920170]The chicas complained how there were not many guys there that night.[/QUOTE]Did you explain to them that is what happens when you move the prices up to ridiculous amounts? Some guys will pay whatever, but most won't.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2920307]No drink minimum on Fase dos and can confirm. I was there last April 2024 and wrote a detailed review about it. You can look it up.

When I went there, I only spent 1 corona beer (35 k, if I remember) and 1 drink (50 k, for some mixed drink LOL) for the girl that I decided to do the deed. They did not even pressure me to buy another drink, unlike the strip clubs in Santa Fe, Bogota, where they will make sure you spent money on drinks while inside or they will kick you out of the club LOL.[/QUOTE]That is correct. I am the ultimate cheapskate when it comes to drinks in places I don't trust, so I bought two bottles of water for 10 k each. However, it is a requirement that you tip each one of the dancers a minimum of 2 k after each dance. My total outlay for about an hour and a half, including the 40 k cover, was about 76 k pesos.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2920307]No drink minimum on Fase dos and can confirm. I was there last April 2024 and wrote a detailed review about it....[/QUOTE]
In Fase II, there's no hassle if you sit / stand at the bar. Once having paid the entry fee, I've always ordered one beer or gatoraid, but I don't think there is a minimum drink requirement at all and no real pressure from the waiters to fork up. However, to sit at a table closer to the stage I think the club does require that you buy a bottle of liquor or a bucket of beers.

Day 1: Went to park lleras. Walked around and saw a few cute ones. Didn't ask and just said Hi to a few. Ended up in a bar called bandidos? Since a blog recommended bandidos sea (close? Saw a really cut girl right away and sit down and ordered a beer (17 k?) and a lady drink for her (68 k). There was another group of customers besides me, 5-6 girls in total. She finished the drink after 10-15 minutes and asked for another one and I agreed. I think I can touch her legs but she won't allow me to kiss her saying it was not allowed by the management. 15 minutes later, she finished the drink again so I aked her for number and wanted to leave. She asked for another drink but I told her I will treat her when she comes out with me later. She was not happy and didn't even hug me when I left. Total damage 170 k. I later contacted her on whatsapp but no response. There was another cute girl in the bar but looks hard to take out.

Day 2: Went to Fase2 at 10 pm, paid 20 k cover (different than the previous report, this is a Tuesday), and then I was asked to buy a bottle or sth else (my spanish and the guy's english all suck), otherwise I have to sit at the bar. I chose the later. The bar chair was uncomfortable and I can't even turn the chair 180 degrees. Ordered a beer (40 k) and there were 20-25 girls, about 8-9 customers (3 tables) before me. There are a few more groups coming in later, half of them just sit alone and drink, others have 1 girl at each table. Some girls went on the stage dancing, they usually do 5-10 minutes walking, twerking around the pole and then took 2-3 minutes to get fully naked, and then walked off the stage. Not very interesting, and nothing comparing to tijuana strip clubs. None of those dancing girls are attractive to me. Other girls started to walk by and try to flirt but I politely waived them off because none of them are attractive to me (6-7 out of 10). There are 1-2 who looks like 8-9 from afar, but they just sit with their group and chat, so I didn't approach either. There was one really cute girl that I saw on my way in, but I think she was very shy and just hide in the corner so I didn't see her for the time I was there. Waited one hour and I was ready to leave, then on my way out I saw this shy girl with glasses again, the manager was talking to her. She looks a bit nevrous and doesn't really know what to do. She looks fun to interact with but I don't like my chair and I don't want to bring her to the bar table with me, so I just walked out. Total damage 60 k.

Went back to park lleras again, saw a few cute ones but none was solid 10 for me when I see them in close distance. Then I saw this really cute girl, the girl next her was waiving to me so I said Hi to them. They offered to have trio with me right away and asked for $200 for an hour. I asked the cute girl how much is it for her alone, she offered $120, then reduced it to $100. I took the offer then we walked to a hostel close to the park entrance, the hostel is $25. Both of us have to show our ids, and fill out a form with our address and phone number and the door is locked so one can not walk in and out without the permission from the lady at the counter. In the room, we showered together. Her face is really cute, teeth is bit crooked (doesn't look too bad). Her breasts were small and collapsed, looks like an old women, maybe its from pregancy. Butt is soft but not really bouncy. Face and everything else is 10 for me. She is a bit aggressive, cuddled for 2 minutes then she covered me with plastic and started blowing me. I started to play with her thigh and pussy, she didn't refuse it nor did she open up the full access to me. After 2-3 minutes, she mounted on me and started to fuck me. I circled her waist to slow her down and made her to go with my rhythm, she complied. 5 minutes later, she offered to do "perro" so I turned her down. Put a pillow under her belly and I started pounding her. She started to make some noise but sounds pretty fake. That's my favorite position so I didn't last long. Finished with a shower together and then she asked for a tip. I was going to tip her anyway so I did. When we walked out of the hostel together, she even waited till my uber arrived and made sure the car stopped in front of me. Really sweat paisa girl! Went back to my airbnb after that.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2920297]As other guy commented, projected 65 dead this year if linear progress. ...That being said there's like 4 flights daily just from Spirit, just from Miami to MDE every day. Often feels like a quarter to half the plane are dudes there for action. In all the Lleras Park youtube vids you can see a lot doing the wrong moves; approaching clearly / debatable young chicas, getting hammered, sharing / open drinks, cash & wallet out, expensive phones out with selfie sticks, being obnoxious, being alone in alleys. ... I'd extrapolate that by simply not doing those 7 wrongs greatly further aids success. Not be fearful, just be prepared.[/QUOTE]In order to reduce deaths overseas, I suggest a greater impact would be to change other types of behaviour. With all those flights from Miami, full with folks that look like they are ready to tumble over before they get off the plane, I suggest they stay out of McD and do some exercise. This would have a much greater impact on overseas deaths.

Thanks to everyone for your contributions. It really does make it easier.

I have been to Medellin 3 times now.

In my opinion best option is facebook. I met many chicas through that app. I had both positive and negative experiences with fb chicas. Negative being girl in person was more thicker than on fb or bad service. If you invest some time there, you can really find top girls (looks and performance). I have never paid more than 200 k mas uber. I usually book apartment or hotel with hot tub in room, so they spend few hours with me talking, fucking, drinking and most importantly taking photos with my phone (I get to keep all pictures). I also had one threesome, girl I knew and was good at sex asked me if her friend can join. I said yes because she wanted only 300 k for both. Other girl was not so hot and there was not real lesbian interaction between them so I would not repeat and reading this forum, most of you had similar experiences with threesomes.

I have been to few Centro casas, which I found okay. Depending on the day and time you can find some good looking girls there. Ones that I had were very friendly and provided good service. And sex is really cheap there.

I walked around Centro looking at streetwalkers, saw few I would bang, but still haven't found courage to fuck SW there.

Finish with a question: is there a forum or something with fb chicas? Would really help reading reviews from others to avoid booking bad chicas, especially since few wrote they were robbed by them. Thanks.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2920400]In Fase II, there's no hassle if you sit / stand at the bar. Once having paid the entry fee, I've always ordered one beer or gatoraid, but I don't think there is a minimum drink requirement at all and no real pressure from the waiters to fork up. However, to sit at a table closer to the stage I think the club does require that you buy a bottle of liquor or a bucket of beers.[/QUOTE]Good to know. I went to LaIsla once and didn't like how stationary you have to be at tables / booths. I only liked 15% of the girls and get annoyed from the aggressive swarming by the rest. Always nice to be able to cut and run easily. While I'm sure there's rules I'd rather just get a girls number.

[QUOTE=SomeMongerer;2920519]Day 1: Went to park lleras. Walked around and saw a few cute ones. Didn't ask and just said Hi to a few. Ended up in a bar called bandidos? Since a blog recommended bandidos sea (close? Saw a really cut girl right away and sit down and ordered a beer (17 k?) and a lady drink for her (68 k). There was another group of customers besides me, 5-6 girls in total. She finished the drink after 10-15 minutes and asked for another one and I agreed. I think I can touch her legs but she won't allow me to kiss her saying it was not allowed by the management. 15 minutes later, she finished the drink again so I aked her for number and wanted to leave. She asked for another drink but I told her I will treat her when she comes out with me later. She was not happy and didn't even hug me when I left. Total damage 170 k. I later contacted her on whatsapp but no response. There was another cute girl in the bar but looks hard to take out.[/QUOTE]There are several bars in the Parque Lleras area with the same owner. They have ladies working the bars hustling guys for drinks. The ladies wear black "uniforms", usually with very short shorts. I have two friends who worked in those bars for a short time. You will not get any of those ladies to leave with you, not allowed. It's possible to meet them when they are not working, but I think your chances are very slim. One of my friends makes no bones about having sex for money. She told me she never had sex with any of the men she met in those bars. The ladies rotate among all those bars.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2920659]There are several bars in the Parque Lleras area with the same owner. They have ladies working the bars hustling guys for drinks. The ladies wear black "uniforms", usually with very short shorts. I have two friends who worked in those bars for a short time. You will not get any of those ladies to leave with you, not allowed. It's possible to meet them when they are not working, but I think your chances are very slim. One of my friends makes no bones about having sex for money. She told me she never had sex with any of the men she met in those bars. The ladies rotate among all those bars.[/QUOTE]I totally agree now. I will stay away from those bars now.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2890295]Of course you need a Claro Sim and Claro phone number to use the claro app to register your phone. And if you had a Tigo sim card and phone number then you would use the Tigo app.

I think you misunderstood something in the process. If you don't have Claro then why the hell would you be using the Claro app? That's like if you had Verizon and we're trying to use the T-Mobile app.

The process is very simple I will outline it for you agn.

1.) When you are physically in Colombia purchase a Claro sim card and put a cheap plan on it at the claro store or gana or wherever (there's plans available from 3 mil to 31 mil pesos).

2.) Slap the sim card into your phone and you should have signal and data and be able to place phone calls and send/rec SMS to Colombian numbers.

3.) Now download the MiClaro App from the Playstore or Apple.

4.) Use your new phone number to register the app to your account.

5.) Within the app there will be the option to register the IMEI number of your phone with your passport or cedula so that it doesn't get blocked.

Make sure you do this within 30 days of first using the phone in Colombia or it will be blocked.

If you choose to use Tigo then the process is pretty much the same but the app is called MiTigo.

Any other questions?[/QUOTE]So we have established that you must have a Claro (or whatever Company simcard) and a Colombian phone number. Another thing that is not readily apparent is the new US passports are alpha-numeric & the Claro website will not accept the alpha part of the US passport number. This leads to more of a waste of time. Bottom line is and I will say it again, this is not "an easy process" by any stretch of the imagination. Next visit, I will go to a Claro store and see if they can register my phone! Aggravating AF!

El Mechanico.

Day 3:

Checked lleras found a few pretty ones but wanted to check a few more places. Ubered to hotel m. There was no lighted sign outside so the driver was confused for a minute. Fortunately the door opened and a few chicas walked out. So I got in after paying 50 k cover. There were 2-3 customers there and about 10 girls in and out. Some look decent but not good enough for me. They are pretty friendly and chill you can chat with anyone and no drinks or tips were expected. However no one speaks English and the conversation is not going anywhere. Bounced after 30 minutes I hop on the taxi to lleras but I asked the driver if carrera 70 is better since a gentleman has told me that and the driver said it's better with more beautiful girls so he took me to the laurels, found 3-4 girls walking outside otherwise its just restaurants and bars. Turns out it's a misunderstanding and the driver confirmed later there are almost 0 working girls there. Back to lleras and was stopped by policía half way claiming they are looking for cocaine. They speak basic English and checked my bag belt area pockets and then my wallet. They didn't find anything or asked for bribes and let us go after about 5 minutes. In lleras park it's passed 1 and there seem to be more girls than earlier. Spotted this cute Delgado girl wearing a tight latex suit. After talking to her I know she is 25 why from venezuela looks good to me. We settled at 250 k and on we went to a nearby hostel. She took the shower and put the rubber on my still soft dick and started sucking, not anything special but she is a looker. Pretty face a little tired or mellow which I was about to find why. Fake perfectly round size see / the breasts, slim legs, soft and bubbly (original) butt. She could probably be a 10 in the clubs. We banged in a few positions with my broken Spanish and I can smell the rotten fish from down below but I hope that the plastic cover and shower after could repel any nasty bugs 🙏. And after about 10-20 minutes she wanted to take a break and pulled out something and inhaled them. I asked if it's the white stuff she kinda confirmed it and asked if I wanted some. I declined and continued to pound her. By that time I don't want to enjoy her body anymore and just want to finish so I did. We chatted about 5 minutes while she got dressed and while I was still trying to dress up she just said bye and left. I know a lot these gals do drugs but this is the first time someone inhaled it in front of me in the middle of our business. The most memorable things of the night was the police shake down and the white powder instead of the sex. Well, it's always hit and miss. Guess I will try to avoid venes from now on no matter how attractive they are.

Zona Rosa Hotel, across from Veracruz Church – 16 K pesos for ½ hour. If you buy beer, it is 4 K pesos.

Hotel Cascada Plaza, 26, CL. 51 #53, La Candelaria. Behind Veracruz Church, on other side of the main street (Carrrera 53) above the corner bar. 20 K for half hour and trashy room.

Occasionales Botero Real, at the side of Veracruz Chruch – 11 K pesos for ½ hour. Nicest room of the three hotels I listed here. It has a bathroom that you actually would want to use.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2919844]According to the article 27 non-immigrant foreigners dead in 5 months. At this rate we are looking at 65 by year's end. I am known to press my luck, but not like that.[/QUOTE]Is non-immigrant Foreigner just another way of saying tourist and if so how many of these do you think are probably mongers?

Any recent experiences with the popular Airbnb towers like Wake or Energy guest rules? Youtube reviews are 4+ months old. Reached out to a Wake Airbnb owner with no reply on confirming guest rules. It is on the listing, but with recent Lleras changes and the disconnect between Host and facility at times. It makes me uneasy.

I won't even be going wild. Mostly repeat chicas and the opportunity for 3 some. All with physical passports, no Vennies. Not even trying to bring street girls. I could downsize but since I was in a small mellow Airbnb in Sabaneta last time, I want to splurge a little more on a nice view, aesthetics, and a hot tub.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2920739]Any recent experiences with the popular Airbnb towers like Wake or Energy guest rules? Youtube reviews are 4+ months old. Reached out to a Wake Airbnb owner with no reply on confirming guest rules. It is on the listing, but with recent Lleras changes and the disconnect between Host and facility at times. It makes me uneasy.

I won't even be going wild. Mostly repeat chicas and the opportunity for 3 some. All with physical passports, no Vennies. Not even trying to bring street girls. I could downsize but since I was in a small mellow Airbnb in Sabaneta last time, I want to splurge a little more on a nice view, aesthetics, and a hot tub.[/QUOTE]You need to be persistent in asking different owners, I was told that the owners can set different rules for their apartments than the building rules.

If you google 'Medellin vacation apartment Energy Living' many will come up. Just start writing to owners or management companies until some answer you but do not stop at one or two answers if they do not say what you want them to say.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2920734]Is non-immigrant Foreigner just another way of saying tourist and if so how many of these do you think are probably mongers?[/QUOTE]No, because there are also Colombian nationals who are tourists in Medellin. No idea how many are mongers.

[QUOTE=NuKamdev;2920676]Zona Rosa Hotel, across from Veracruz Church 16 K pesos for hour. If you buy beer, it is 4 K pesos..1.[/QUOTE]I think that should be probably be 3 hours.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2920734]Is non-immigrant Foreigner just another way of saying tourist and if so how many of these do you think are probably mongers?[/QUOTE]I think that is a way to exclude Venezuelans in the calculation.

[QUOTE=NuKamdev;2920676]Zona Rosa Hotel, across from Veracruz Church 16 K pesos for hour. If you buy beer, it is 4 K pesos.

Hotel Cascada Plaza, 26, CL. 51 #53, La Candelaria. Behind Veracruz Church, on other side of the main street (Carrrera 53) above the corner bar. 20 K for half hour and trashy room.

Occasionales Botero Real, at the side of Veracruz Chruch 11 K pesos for hour. Nicest room of the three hotels I listed here. It has a bathroom that you actually would want to use.[/QUOTE]Zona Rosa charged 10 mil Last time I went there in March.

Botero Real is in fact 11 mil now, used to be 9 mil but they raised it to 11 mil back in February of this year.

Think there is some confusion about hotel cascada. The one on the pura esquina above the corner bar, that one is called hotel Venecia and charges 10 mil sometimes and 20 mil other times, not sure how they determine which price to charge maybe if they think you're a gringo they charge you the 20 k?

The one further down behind hotel Venecia and after the little furniture shops that is the one called hotel Cascada and it is across from the entrance of a crappy Centro Comercial called CC La Cascada which sells light bulbs and shit, they charged 10 mil last time I went there.

There is another one diaganal across from Venecia called Hotel Brisas de Jardín they also charge 10 k.

All are supposed to be a half hour but the ones on Cra 53 will knock sooner than Botero Real, also as the OP mentioned Botero Real is cleaner with better rooms and better security.

You had the perfect experience. You found your happy place and had no mishaps other than the odd dud performance we all suffer from time to time. I'm not aware of facebook specific forums. There is a local review forum that focuses on the photoprepago / mileroticos scene. All those girls of course have facebook so that might be close equivalent. It is called catadorcolombia and there is a small English language section.

[QUOTE=Bacjehhh;2920626]Thanks to everyone for your contributions. It really does make it easier.

I have been to Medellin 3 times now.

In my opinion best option is facebook. I met many chicas through that app. I had both positive and negative experiences with fb chicas. Negative being girl in person was more thicker than on fb or bad service. If you invest some time there, you can really find top girls (looks and performance). I have never paid more than 200 k mas uber. I usually book apartment or hotel with hot tub in room, so they spend few hours with me talking, fucking, drinking and most importantly taking photos with my phone (I get to keep all pictures). I also had one threesome, girl I knew and was good at sex asked me if her friend can join. I said yes because she wanted only 300 k for both. Other girl was not so hot and there was not real lesbian interaction between them so I would not repeat and reading this forum, most of you had similar experiences with threesomes.

I have been to few Centro casas, which I found okay. Depending on the day and time you can find some good looking girls there. Ones that I had were very friendly and provided good service. And sex is really cheap there.

I walked around Centro looking at streetwalkers, saw few I would bang, but still haven't found courage to fuck SW there.

Finish with a question: is there a forum or something with fb chicas? Would really help reading reviews from others to avoid booking bad chicas, especially since few wrote they were robbed by them. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Hi, if you book an apartment in Medellin and have a beautiful girl move into your apartment for 1 week full time. When you leave, how much would you give her in money + or -? I was in Medellin many years ago and now I think it's all different. .

Thank you for making me understand better.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2920787]I think that should be probably be 3 hours.[/QUOTE]You are right. I was using 1/2 to say half hour and the forum automatically omitted that. So, here is the re-post but also, consider what Gabacho responded with as that seems to be more detail information. I must be detected as a gringo so charged more.

Zona Rosa Hotel, across from Veracruz Church – 16 K pesos for half hour. If you buy beer, it is 4 K pesos.

Hotel Cascada Plaza, 26, CL. 51 #53, La Candelaria. Behind Veracruz Church, on other side of the main street (Carrrera 53) above the corner bar. 20 K for half hour and trashy room.

Occasionales Botero Real, at the side of Veracruz Chruch – 11 K pesos for half hour. Nicest room of the three hotels I listed here. It has a bathroom that you actually would want to use.

Inflation is out of control! Hahaha The 30 K rate is pretty much history too. We will get by.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2920897]Zona Rosa charged 10 mil Last time I went there in March.

Botero Real is in fact 11 mil now, used to be 9 mil but they raised it to 11 mil back in February of this year.

Think there is some confusion about hotel cascada. The one on the pura esquina above the corner bar, that one is called hotel Venecia and charges 10 mil sometimes and 20 mil other times, not sure how they determine which price to charge maybe if they think you're a gringo they charge you the 20 k?

The one further down behind hotel Venecia and after the little furniture shops that is the one called hotel Cascada and it is across from the entrance of a crappy Centro Comercial called CC La Cascada which sells light bulbs and shit, they charged 10 mil last time I went there.

There is another one diaganal across from Venecia called Hotel Brisas de Jardn they also charge 10 k.

All are supposed to be a half hour but the ones on Cra 53 will knock sooner than Botero Real, also as the OP mentioned Botero Real is cleaner with better rooms and better security.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bacjehhh;2920626]Thanks to everyone for your contributions. It really does make it easier.

I have been to Medellin 3 times now.

In my opinion best option is facebook. I met many chicas through that app. I had both positive and negative experiences with fb chicas. Negative being girl in person was more thicker than on fb or bad service. If you invest some time there, you can really find top girls (looks and performance). I have never paid more than 200 k mas uber. I usually book apartment or hotel with hot tub in room, so they spend few hours with me talking, fucking, drinking and most importantly taking photos with my phone (I get to keep all pictures). I also had one threesome, girl I knew and was good at sex asked me if her friend can join. I said yes because she wanted only 300 k for both. Other girl was not so hot and there was not real lesbian interaction between them so I would not repeat and reading this forum, most of you had similar experiences with threesomes.

I have been to few Centro casas, which I found okay. Depending on the day and time you can find some good looking girls there. Ones that I had were very friendly and provided good service. And sex is really cheap there.

I walked around Centro looking at streetwalkers, saw few I would bang, but still haven't found courage to fuck SW there.

Finish with a question: is there a forum or something with fb chicas? Would really help reading reviews from others to avoid booking bad chicas, especially since few wrote they were robbed by them. Thanks.[/QUOTE]How do you normally go about finding girls on Facebook? I literally have know idea how to even start searching.

[QUOTE=Bbz1234;2921003]How do you normally go about finding girls on Facebook? I literally have know idea how to even start searching.[/QUOTE]Search for Medellin. Add any young Latina who isn't a nun. Add her friends. Send flirty emojis to their stories. The ones that reply, ask for their WhatsApp. If conversation is going well, say you would love to meet. If you keep this up soon you will have a substantial friend list and they will start adding you. Don't fall in love with the first one who engages you in conversation.

Don't buy content. Don't give any gifts until after they have done what you want them to do. Avoid tinder. Use Uber, not taxis. Stay in places that will check your guests ID. No Colombian man is your friend. Never be drunk in public. Never leave a drink unattended.

[QUOTE=NuKamdev;2920930]You are right. I was using 1/2 to say half hour and the forum automatically omitted that. So, here is the re-post but also, consider what Gabacho responded with as that seems to be more detail information. I must be detected as a gringo so charged more.

Zona Rosa Hotel, across from Veracruz Church 16 K pesos for half hour. If you buy beer, it is 4 K pesos.

Hotel Cascada Plaza, 26, CL. 51 #53, La Candelaria. Behind Veracruz Church, on other side of the main street (Carrrera 53) above the corner bar. 20 K for half hour and trashy room.

Occasionales Botero Real, at the side of Veracruz Chruch 11 K pesos for half hour. Nicest room of the three hotels I listed here. It has a bathroom that you actually would want to use.[/QUOTE]Also I forgot to mention that hotel Zona Rosa they charge more of you take the condom they give you. If you tell them you brought your own condom they charge you less. A simple "tengo mis condones" and hand jesture will suffice.

This is true. An easier way to get the point across if you are not comfortable with Spanish is to hand the condom back to the reception person and say "ya tengo."

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2921091]Also I forgot to mention that hotel Zona Rosa they charge more of you take the condom they give you. If you tell them you brought your own condom they charge you less. A simple "tengo mis condones" and hand jesture will suffice.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldParr;2920743]Stupid arse! How would he know?[/QUOTE]Maybe you need to go back to the first grade and learn how to read. I asked him what he THOUGHT, NOT what he KNOWS. Considering how much time this man has spent in that country and how much it gets around. I never underestimate him about anything. But too answer your question - of he had maybe been following detailed stories about each of these deaths he might have a good ideal - like this story mentioned there was woman who came in and then left at 3 am - given the man's age you would be stupid to not think he was a monger.

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2920923]Hi, if you book an apartment in Medellin and have a beautiful girl move into your apartment for 1 week full time. When you leave, how much would you give her in money + or -? I was in Medellin many years ago and now I think it's all different. .

Thank you for making me understand better.[/QUOTE]You would find out up front what it is going to cost. And if you actually could find someone that would agree to do this I would be very very suspicious. What real girl can drop everything in the rest of her life and come and live with a stranger for a week. I would not be surprised if you would be drugged and robbed by anyone that would actually agree to that arrangement.

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2921056]Search for Medellin. Add any young Latina who isn't a nun. Add her friends. Send flirty emojis to their stories. The ones that reply, ask for their WhatsApp. If conversation is going well, say you would love to meet. If you keep this up soon you will have a substantial friend list and they will start adding you. Don't fall in love with the first one who engages you in conversation.
[/QUOTE]I assume you will create a Fake FB profile? Its going to show you as new, will the account get banned by FB?

Anyone know the guest policy of Hotel Dorado La 70?

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2921163]You would find out up front what it is going to cost. And if you actually could find someone that would agree to do this I would be very very suspicious. What real girl can drop everything in the rest of her life and come and live with a stranger for a week. I would not be surprised if you would be drugged and robbed by anyone that would actually agree to that arrangement.[/QUOTE]LOL so a 2 week trip to multiple destinations in Colombia. Is a guaranteed drugging for me? Yes, dah you should ask upfront. I think it depends on if she is a complete stranger, then yes dangerous! If hiring a sex slave, good luck. But if some form of GFE, relationship, what kind of girl and many other variables. This forum might be the wrong place for this question. Try SA group. Sex slaves forum or ask the girl. pay her what she asks

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2921116]This is true. An easier way to get the point across if you are not comfortable with Spanish is to hand the condom back to the reception person and say "ya tengo."[/QUOTE]I don't use them most the time anyways LOL. I have a literal stock pile of the purple ones from Botero Real in my sock drawer.

[QUOTE=Belem148;2921202]Anyone know the guest policy of Hotel Dorado La 70?[/QUOTE]It's a nice place. They'll want to check her ID. Best best is to walk in with her and leave with her. Best suggestion is never bring a girl to your room.

Wanted to check in to see if Medellin was still under a crackdown on women. I can either travel to Colombia for a cheaper flight and likely women expenses or goto Sao Paulo for my first tour.

Will my USD go further in Medellin or any other Colombia country if the sole purpose is meeting up with women, and would a week be enough time?

I've been doing german FKK clubs for years. Came into some cash and recently developed a big liking for pretty colombian babes. I haven't studied this forum yet carefully so please bear with me. I'm uk based and thinking to do 10 days in medellin. First time in S. America. Can someone point me in the right direction as to where to find the most beautiful girls in medellin irresepective of cost. Its my first time so accessability ie finding these girls easily is paramount. A place where many beauities are present. My ideal set up would be a club or spa with health facilities open day and night where a selection of the most beautiful girls are present. Ill be staying in a top rated holiday in medellin. Its a once in a lifetime trip I want it to special. Many thanks.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2921232]It's a nice place. They'll want to check her ID. Best best is to walk in with her and leave with her. Best suggestion is never bring a girl to your room.[/QUOTE]I'm going to see a few regulars I know very well. I wanted to stay in Laureles and got a good deal on Expedia. Just wanted to make sure they aren't like the some hotels that will either not let you have an overnight guest or will charge you $40-80 for each additional guest after the first guest.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2919828]If you never heard about these druggings and robberies, how do you know that there is a lot of them? I don't know how you can say that there is a lot when it is not reported and you never hear about them.[/QUOTE]Lots of druggings go unreported. Go to the US Embassy in Bogota. There is a long line of guys who got drugged in Medellin and lost everything and trying to get a passport so they can go home. My friend saw this himself when he went to take care of personal matters at the US Embassy in Bogota. He said even staff confirmed it.

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;2921292]I've been doing german FKK clubs for years. Came into some cash and recently developed a big liking for pretty colombian babes. I haven't studied this forum yet carefully so please bear with me. I'm uk based and thinking to do 10 days in medellin. First time in S. America. Can someone point me in the right direction as to where to find the most beautiful girls in medellin irresepective of cost. Its my first time so accessability ie finding these girls easily is paramount. A place where many beauities are present. My ideal set up would be a club or spa with health facilities open day and night where a selection of the most beautiful girls are present. Ill be staying in a top rated holiday in medellin. Its a once in a lifetime trip I want it to special. Many thanks.[/QUOTE]I'm struggling to make sense of or find any established patterns of doing things here.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2920173]I meant to reply to this earlier. I have been there, and it was nice it is a pretty calm place (and I was there Saturday with a girl). But talking to folks who have been to the majority of swinger clubs in town, they recommend that the current 'happening' one is Lujuria Swinger Club ([URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/Cv3EMP5d1zthThik8[/URL]). I haven't been yet, but will probably go check it out in my next in-town visit. I have no idea how their Sunday or similar gang-bang night is (it's Tuesday), but from their Facebook feed; seems they have 2-3 girls and may be a larger operation.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the contribution. This goes to everyone. I am a newbie. Never been to a swingers bar in Colombia. So, apologies for the newbie questions. You walk in, pay a cover I imagine and go to your locker and undress. Do you wear flip flops with a towel? Or underwear and flip flops or barefoot? I have no idea what the dress code / etiquette / culture is inside once you enter.

Secondly, for those who've been on a Friday / Saturday, is it worth it? Do the locals mix with the gringos? Are there smoke shows or is it just like a typical disco, hit or miss? Age range you reckon? 40+ or 25+ ? Guys with prepagos?

Many thanks!

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2921163]You would find out up front what it is going to cost. And if you actually could find someone that would agree to do this I would be very very suspicious. What real girl can drop everything in the rest of her life and come and live with a stranger for a week. I would not be surprised if you would be drugged and robbed by anyone that would actually agree to that arrangement.[/QUOTE]I'll add in. Don't commit to doing this with a girl until after you have "sampled" her short-time. No matter how hot-looking a girl is, you have no idea how you're going to get along with her if you're together 24/7.

Related to that, the funds shouldn't be dispersed day 1. If you do that, it's highly likely she doesn't honor the length of the "contract. ".

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2920923]Hi, if you book an apartment in Medellin and have a beautiful girl move into your apartment for 1 week full time. When you leave, how much would you give her in money + or -? I was in Medellin many years ago and now I think it's all different. .

Thank you for making me understand better.[/QUOTE]Just give her the pipe, some dudes just do that and nothing more. Others who pay it is variable. Talk to a few and you will get an estimate.

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;2921327]I'm struggling to make sense of or find any established patterns of doing things here.[/QUOTE]In all your struggling. Have you tried reading the massive amount of information on the fourm? Including specifics about places over the last 20 pages? There are many really long and specific reports.

Medellin is definitely not the FKK scene though.

Ok its starting to slowly make sense. The objective is to find the best looking girls without lots of research and searching for a first time visit to S. America from uk. So far.

1) loutron. Groups of girls present.

2) girls energy. Like wise.

3) energy spa.

4) stay at hotel M. 9's and 10's girls at night easily present inside hotel. can i take girls from outside into hotel m?

5) now where to find the best girls to take back for overnite stays. Head to Lleras park?

Comon guys help me out. The most attractive chicas with an emphasis on white chicas. Cost no object. Is hotel M the place to stay for a first timer and girls are in the bar at nite to take to my room?

I'm on the german FKK thread and available for tons of help.

I never go to MDE here are a few girls that are on my FB from over the years-- Knock yourself out.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100046575785339[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100016840396258[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007263677804[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100011263449785[/URL]

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;2921347]Ok its starting to slowly make sense. The objective is to find the best looking girls without lots of research and searching for a first time visit to S. America from uk. So far.

1) loutron. Groups of girls present.

2) girls energy. Like wise.

3) energy spa.

4) stay at hotel M. 9's and 10's girls at night easily present inside hotel. can i take girls from outside into hotel m?

5) now where to find the best girls to take back for overnite stays. Head to Lleras park?

Comon guys help me out. The most attractive chicas with an emphasis on white chicas. Cost no object. Is hotel M the place to stay for a first timer and girls are in the bar at nite to take to my room?

I'm on the german FKK thread and available for tons of help.[/QUOTE]Staying at Hotel M is great for first timers. LOL you will not find 9-10's at the bar. More like 6-7's. Very friendly though. You can bring in outsiders to Hotel M, but they must have a valid cedula and not have been banned from there. All the chicas are latina's not white, but many are lighter skinned. Hotel M is usually pretty full so make reservations far in advance, at least 6 mo out.

[QUOTE=Belem148;2921202]Anyone know the guest policy of Hotel Dorado La 70?[/QUOTE]I stayed there for a few days back in October.

On [URL]booking.com[/URL] FAQs they say additional guests are charged at 100 k.

There's a list of houses rules in the room stating the joiner fee is 57 k or something.

I only had 2 girls visit me but wasn't charged any extra fees either when I checked them in or when I finally checked out.

Maybe if I'd been trailing in & out with several different girls a day things would have been different?

Or maybe they like to advertise their joiner policy to put off mongers?

My guests had their ID properly checked & there was a call to my room when they departed.

There's a list of house.

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;2921347]Ok its starting to slowly make sense. The objective is to find the best looking girls without lots of research and searching for a first time visit to S. America from uk. So far.

1) loutron. Groups of girls present.

2) girls energy. Like wise.

3) energy spa.

4) stay at hotel M. 9's and 10's girls at night easily present inside hotel. can i take girls from outside into hotel m?

5) now where to find the best girls to take back for overnite stays. Head to Lleras park?

Comon guys help me out. The most attractive chicas with an emphasis on white chicas. Cost no object. Is hotel M the place to stay for a first timer and girls are in the bar at nite to take to my room?

I'm on the german FKK thread and available for tons of help.[/QUOTE]What is a white chica for you? Seriously asking. Are you talking literal skin color? Or are you talking race? Because in Colombia the woman are latinas. Which would not be considered white. A white person wouldn't really be Colombian
. Like Irish. Or polish. Or English. Or maybe french of German.

Either way. There are not so many "white" woman. Particularly in Medellin. I've certainly met some girls that were pretty white. But most are at least a bit tan.

Because it's Colombia.

So I am kinda if fascinated what you mean. Maybe some pictures of what you are looking for would be helpful.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2921363]What is a white chica for you? Seriously asking. Are you talking literal skin color? Or are you talking race? Because in Colombia the woman are latinas. Which would not be considered white. A white person would be a gringo. Like Irish. Or polish. Or English. Or maybe french of German.

Either way. There are not so many "white" woman. Particularly in Medellin. I've certainly met some girls that were pretty white. But most are at least a bit tan.

Because it's Colombia.

So I am kinda if fascinated what you mean. Maybe some pictures of what you are looking for would be helpful.[/QUOTE]I love the latin "tanned" girls of course. When I use the term white I mean those colombian girls with slightly paler skin from which the spanish european heritage is more noticeable.

Are you able to give me some feedback on my points as a first time visitor. I'm keen to know if hotel m is the best place to stay as a first timer and can I take girls from outside back there? I understand the hotel has its own beauties. Finally which is the most upmarket strip club with the best looking girls in medellin. Thanks to everyone and the patience shown with my barrage of enquiries. or is bogota better>???

[QUOTE=JonesLover;2920923]Hi, if you book an apartment in Medellin and have a beautiful girl move into your apartment for 1 week full time. When you leave, how much would you give her in money + or -? I was in Medellin many years ago and now I think it's all different. .

Thank you for making me understand better.[/QUOTE]I have done this several times, but you need to accept that YMMV. First, 7 days with the same woman, whether you have met her before or not, is too long. She is younger, different society, wants and needs, and you will have too many awkward moments. Break it up into 2-3 days with one, so two for the week. Second, be very clear about your expectations before she agrees, although it's possible she changes her mind once with you. She should be local, so give her the money for the day and show her out. If you fly her in, book a changeable flight, change it for same day or tomorrow, show her out. Third, avoid yogis. They tell you the energy is not there, dark aura, Saturn's ass is not aligned with Jupiter's mouth. You get my point.

The ones that will agree to this either don't have kids, or kids are older, and don't work or can take vacation from work. Many now ask for 1 million pesos per day, I refuse to go over 500 K per day.

As others said on here, better to know them before short term, less chances of problems with poor mileage, aggressive behavior. Ask for ID / Cedula photo, to register with the rental or hotel, and for your security. Video chat with her before, message, see if she is mute most of the time, as then she mostly about the money and mechanical. The rest, good luck.

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;2921365]I'm keen to know if hotel m is the best place to stay as a first timer and can I take girls from outside back there? I understand the hotel has its own beauties. Finally which is the most upmarket strip club with the best looking girls in medellin. Thanks to everyone and the patience shown with my barrage of enquiries. or is bogota better>???[/QUOTE]I stayed at hotel M as a first timer to Medellin just several weeks ago and enjoyed my stay there. I wrote about my trip on this thread as well as the Casa Blanca section.

Only negative is that this hotel is not 'upscale' as it is rather dated but I didn't mind. The pros for me definitely outweighed the cons. Security was great, chicas were good enough for me and easy to meet just downstairs and then take them up. Also one other thing which is great that I think is a huge benefit for first timers travelling solo is that at the hotel and the attached bar, other guest mongers are super friendly and the veterans are always open to offer tips not only about how things work with the girls but also the Medellin area. One new friend I met there even took me for a walk from the hotel up to Parque Lleras and Provencia for a tour and back. This type of comraderie will usually not be possible if you come alone and stay somewhere else alone.

Does anyone know what happened to the Airbnb rental close to 'Bar Licolleras'? It had private access, thus there was no restriction on guests. This is extremely rare in the area.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2921438]I stayed at hotel M as a first timer to Medellin just several weeks ago and enjoyed my stay there. I wrote about my trip on this thread as well as the Casa Blanca section.

Only negative is that this hotel is not 'upscale' as it is rather dated but I didn't mind. The pros for me definitely outweighed the cons. Security was great, chicas were good enough for me and easy to meet just downstairs and then take them up. Also one other thing which is great that I think is a huge benefit for first timers travelling solo is that at the hotel and the attached bar, other guest mongers are super friendly and the veterans are always open to offer tips not only about how things work with the girls but also the Medellin area. One new friend I met there even took me for a walk from the hotel up to Parque Lleras and Provencia for a tour and back. This type of comraderie will usually not be possible if you come alone and stay somewhere else alone.[/QUOTE]Wondering what your experience (s) was like? I've been reading the forum for years and planning on going soon. Nobody writes about Hotel M much anymore. I'm looking for GFE type experiences, not a 1 hour bang and run. I've done the Tijuana thing more than I can count, but I'm tired of the shitty service and constant upsells. I want to hangout, mess around, hang out some more, mess around some more etc.

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;2921292]I've been doing german FKK clubs for years. I'm thinking to do 10 days in medellin. First time in S. America. Can someone point me in the right direction as to where to find the most beautiful girls in medellin irresepective of cost. A place where many beauities are present. My ideal set up would be a club or spa with health facilities open day and night where a selection of the most beautiful girls are present. [/QUOTE]TBH I would stick to FKK. You will not find that kind of set up in MDE. There are plenty of girls and plenty of places, but you would need to check them out to see if the girls were to your taste. Also I don't know of any large places that have stacks of girls. Most have 10 to 20 each, and of those some might suit you.

[QUOTE=TimmyJoon;2921461]Wondering what your experience (s) was like? I've been reading the forum for years and planning on going soon. Nobody writes about Hotel M much anymore. [/QUOTE]I enjoyed my stay at Hotel M and wrote about my overall Medellin experience as a first timer on my trip review here on this Medellin thread. You just need to backtrack to about the last week of May to get there and I also wrote a review about specifically about Hotel M at the Casa Blanca section. I think a lot of new guys are missing that section if they don't know that the former name of Hotel M was Casa Blanca. Maybe the name of that thread should be updated since that property is still very much a factor in the Medellin mongering scene.

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;2921365]..Finally which is the most upmarket strip club with the best looking girls in medellin. [/QUOTE]You should go to Brazil to find what you are looking for. There is nothing upmarket in Medellin as far as club ambience goes. You said money is not a problem, then you should go to Sao Paulo. You can easily find more than 100 girls in a club. Brazil is much more diverse in look, and the girl keep the service level up to be competitive at the price which is not what you will get in Medellin. You get less service at higher price relative to the past on average. Medellin is very cheap, and has large quantity but a lot of it is hidden from a new visitor.

[QUOTE=NuKamdev;2920930].... I must be detected as a gringo so charged more.[/QUOTE]For what it is worth, that rate exists since before pandemic but it is for more than 30 minutes. My guess is they must have added a new price tier to be competitive. The only way that they gave you gringo price is if you told them it's for 30 minutes and they still charged you 16000.

[QUOTE=Tudman;2921341]Thanks for the contribution. This goes to everyone. I am a newbie. Never been to a swingers bar in Colombia. So, apologies for the newbie questions. You walk in, pay a cover I imagine and go to your locker and undress. Do you wear flip flops with a towel? Or underwear and flip flops or barefoot? I have no idea what the dress code / etiquette / culture is inside once you enter.
Secondly, for those who've been on a Friday / Saturday, is it worth it? Do the locals mix with the gringos? Are there smoke shows or is it just like a typical disco, hit or miss? Age range you reckon? 40+ or 25+ ? Guys with prepagos?[/QUOTE]My advice is if you are not familiar with Swinger Clubs in other countries, don't go. They all operate about the same, and it can be a lot calmer and less blatantly sexual than people who have never been expect. But with a girl (or two) you are into it can be a fun erotic experience. But I would not go to one 'seeking sex' with others.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2921355] Staying at Hotel M is great for first timers. LOL you will not find 9-10's at the bar. More like 6-7's. Very friendly though. You can bring in outsiders to Hotel M, but they must have a valid cedula and not have been banned from there. All the chicas are Latina's not white, but many are lighter skinned. Hotel M is usually pretty full so make reservations far in advance, at least 6 mo. out. [/QUOTE]Agree with everything, except the quality of the girls. While it really varies, this is a very subjective thing, as I have some personal 9-10's that I have met there and go there often. So, it all depends on your personal tastes and preferences. Had one over last night and was asking her about her views of the Hotel M / Casa Blanca /'Cueva' bar and she told me (paraphrasing) "I go like once a week to meet up with my girlfriends and drink free, but not to find guys. If someone interesting shows up, then great. But I don't go there for that. " -- so seems she just sees it as a socializing / meetup location for like-minded girls.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2921355]Staying at Hotel M is great for first timers. LOL you will not find 9-10's at the bar. More like 6-7's. Very friendly though. You can bring in outsiders to Hotel M, but they must have a valid cedula and not have been banned from there. All the chicas are latina's not white, but many are lighter skinned. Hotel M is usually pretty full so make reservations far in advance, at least 6 mo out.[/QUOTE]Is this hotel M [URL]http://www.hotelmedellinplaza.com/reservations.html[/URL] ? Looks like you can't make a reservation online?

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2921643]Is this hotel M [URL]http://www.hotelmedellinplaza.com/reservations.html[/URL] ? Looks like you can't make a reservation online?[/QUOTE]That's right. You need to reserve via email. They are pretty responsive.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2921628]Agree with everything, except the quality of the girls. While it really varies, this is a very subjective thing, as I have some personal 9-10's that I have met there and go there often. So, it all depends on your personal tastes and preferences. Had one over last night and was asking her about her views of the Hotel M / Casa Blanca /'Cueva' bar and she told me (paraphrasing) "I go like once a week to meet up with my girlfriends and drink free, but not to find guys. If someone interesting shows up, then great. But I don't go there for that. " -- so seems she just sees it as a socializing / meetup location for like-minded girls.[/QUOTE]To me it's just a smaller sample size of what you will find at Parque Lleras anyway. I've been told that if girls at the bar don't get any customers, they will head over to the park anyway. And if they strike out there, some might actually return to the bar to see what's going on.

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;2921292]I've been doing german FKK clubs for years. Came into some cash and recently developed a big liking for pretty colombian babes. I haven't studied this forum yet carefully so please bear with me. I'm uk based and thinking to do 10 days in medellin. First time in S. America. Can someone point me in the right direction as to where to find the most beautiful girls in medellin irresepective of cost. Its my first time so accessability ie finding these girls easily is paramount. A place where many beauities are present. My ideal set up would be a club or spa with health facilities open day and night where a selection of the most beautiful girls are present. Ill be staying in a top rated holiday in medellin. Its a once in a lifetime trip I want it to special. Many thanks.[/QUOTE]Most beautiful girls you'll find at:

* La Isla. Bit of a hit and miss though. Come in around 0:00, Thursday / Friday / Saturday for highest chances of running into a real hottie.

* Loutron. Also hit and miss, but also some hotties to be found.

* Gusto.

The above are expensive options but they certainly have higher chances of running into a real stunner. But you always need a bit of luck. I've seen some really hot women at the above venue's, playmate material, but also had visits where there just weren't any real hot women available. The best looking woman I ever had in Medellin was on a Sunday night at La Isla though, it was a real quite night and I was about to give it up and go home when she stepped in. She told me that she didn't visit that much, had a long list of clients so she didn't need to visit La isla that much. Also never saw her after that again. So yeah, you do need a bit of luck but really hot women can be found in Medellin for sure.

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;2921292]I've been doing german FKK clubs for years. Came into some cash and recently developed a big liking for pretty colombian babes. I haven't studied this forum yet carefully so please bear with me. I'm uk based and thinking to do 10 days in medellin. First time in S. America. Can someone point me in the right direction as to where to find the most beautiful girls in medellin irresepective of cost. Its my first time so accessability ie finding these girls easily is paramount. A place where many beauities are present. My ideal set up would be a club or spa with health facilities open day and night where a selection of the most beautiful girls are present. Ill be staying in a top rated holiday in medellin. Its a once in a lifetime trip I want it to special. Many thanks.[/QUOTE]I know I will get few haters for this post.

I was in Medellin for two weeks a few months back. In LA, I spent around 1 K USD for an hour on a quality escort, so I was not trying to save money on this trip.

[URL]https://lacelestina.co/[/URL] is your best bet, you have to build a rap with them first by getting few girls and then they will open their private catalog for you. I was paying 1 M to 2. 5 M for 5 hours. Few were fluent english speekets. They were not watching the clock. Some stayed over night, I took them for dinners at fancy spots, spent time by the pool etc. Pure GF experience.

If you want to see the girl, chat, have a drink etc La Isla and Loutron are the best options, 600 K for 45 min to an hour. One bad part of La Isla the girls want to get done in 30 min or less. Lutron the manger is a fluent English speaker and amazing at helping you find the right girl. Most girls at these places will come and spend a day with you for 1 M. Guesto girls were asking 1 M or 300 US. Not worth it.

If you have time, [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] and Instagram are another options. In both cases, get the deal on Whatsup, as you will get banned otherwise on these platforms. I chatted with a few girls but did not meet up with any of them.

I stayed at NH Collection Medellíand Royal, A suite was $150 a night. Its also secure as they will hold keep the copy the girls ID. They were suppose to charge me $40 for each girl but I never got charged becuase on my first day I gave the night manger a bottle of perfume I got from Dutyfree and he was my best friend for the next 10 days. I was tipping every one from the guy at the bar to bell boy to pool staff very well and got treated like a king.

I did not do any of the "Passport Bro" stupid shit like throwing money at the dancers, buying bottle service, being loud, showing up with a Rolex, and a gold chains.

I had a fantastic time for about 20% of what it would have cost in the US, and the girls were a lot better in looks and attitude.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2921759]I know I will get few haters for this post.

I was in Medellin for two weeks a few months back. In LA, I spent around 1 K USD for an hour on a quality escort, so I was not trying to save money on this trip.

[URL]https://lacelestina.co/[/URL] is your best bet, you have to build a rap with them first by getting few girls and then they will open their private catalog for you. I was paying 1 M to 2. 5 M for 5 hours. Few were fluent english speekets. They were not watching the clock. Some stayed over night, I took them for dinners at fancy spots, spent time by the pool etc. Pure GF experience.

If you want to see the girl, chat, have a drink etc La Isla and Loutron are the best options, 600 K for 45 min to an hour. One bad part of La Isla the girls want to get done in 30 min or less. Lutron the manger is a fluent English speaker and amazing at helping you find the right girl. Most girls at these places will come and spend a day with you for 1 M. Guesto girls were asking 1 M or 300 US. Not worth it.

If you have time, [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] and Instagram are another options. In both cases, get the deal on Whatsup, as you will get banned otherwise on these platforms. I chatted with a few girls but did not meet up with any of them.

I stayed at NH Collection Medelland Royal, A suite was $150 a night. Its also secure as they will hold keep the copy the girls ID. They were suppose to charge me $40 for each girl but I never got charged becuase on my first day I gave the night manger a bottle of perfume I got from Dutyfree and he was my best friend for the next 10 days. I was tipping every one from the guy at the bar to bell boy to pool staff very well and got treated like a king.

I did not do any of the "Passport Bro" stupid shit like throwing money at the dancers, buying bottle service, being loud, showing up with a Rolex, and a gold chains.

I had a fantastic time for about 20% of what it would have cost in the US, and the girls were a lot better in looks and attitude.[/QUOTE]1 k usd for one hour! In Colombia? I mean that kind of money gets you the hottest girls in USA, or Dubai or other places where you pay high extra fees for prostitution being illegal and the difference in standard of living. But in Colombia, that's just insane. No hate from me BTW, I overspend on women too, have no problems paying 600 k if she's really hot even though I know you can get really hot girls cheaper if you invest time and energy. But 4 milion for an hour, damn. I have money to spend but damn, I'd just feel ripped off.

Never heard of that website you link BTW, doesn't seem better than [URL]photoprepagos.com[/URL].

[QUOTE=HarigeHarry;2921865]1 k usd for one hour! In Colombia? ......].[/QUOTE]I did not see where he said that. I saw US $600 equivalent for 5 hours.

[QUOTE=HarigeHarry;2921865] 1 k usd for one hour! In Colombia? I mean that kind of money gets you the hottest girls in USA, or Dubai or other places where you pay high extra fees for prostitution being illegal and the difference in standard of living.... [URL]photoprepagos.com[/URL].[/QUOTE]
ObjJay wrote that "In LA, I spent around 1 K USD for an hour on a quality escort, so I was not trying to save money on this trip. " At home in Los Angeles, not Colombia.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2921759]I know I will get few haters for this post.

I was in Medellin for two weeks a few months back. In LA, I spent around 1 K USD for an hour on a quality escort, so I was not trying to save money on this trip.

[URL]https://lacelestina.co/[/URL] is your best bet, you have to build a rap with them first by getting few girls and then they will open their private catalog for you. I was paying 1 M to 2. 5 M for 5 hours. Few were fluent english speekets. They were not watching the clock. Some stayed over night, I took them for dinners at fancy spots, spent time by the pool etc. Pure GF experience.

If you want to see the girl, chat, have a drink etc La Isla and Loutron are the best options, 600 K for 45 min to an hour. One bad part of La Isla the girls want to get done in 30 min or less. Lutron the manger is a fluent English speaker and amazing at helping you find the right girl. Most girls at these places will come and spend a day with you for 1 M. Guesto girls were asking 1 M or 300 US. Not worth it..[/QUOTE]And at these prices every single girl I see would give be almost every desired service I would want. With the exception of BBFS. But anal CIM facials etc.

No hate here. Love the report.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2921759]I know I will get few haters for this post.

I was in Medellin for two weeks a few months back. In LA, I spent around 1 K USD for an hour on a quality escort, so I was not trying to save money on this trip.

[URL]https://lacelestina.co/[/URL] is your best bet, you have to build a rap with them first by getting few girls and then they will open their private catalog for you. I was paying 1 M to 2. 5 M for 5 hours. Few were fluent english speekets. They were not watching the clock. Some stayed over night, I took them for dinners at fancy spots, spent time by the pool etc. Pure GF experience.

If you want to see the girl, chat, have a drink etc La Isla and Loutron are the best options, 600 K for 45 min to an hour. One bad part of La Isla the girls want to get done in 30 min or less. Lutron the manger is a fluent English speaker and amazing at helping you find the right girl. Most girls at these places will come and spend a day with you for 1 M. Guesto girls were asking 1 M or 300 US. Not worth it.

If you have time, [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] and Instagram are another options. In both cases, get the deal on Whatsup, as you will get banned otherwise on these platforms. I chatted with a few girls but did not meet up with any of them.

I stayed at NH Collection Medelland Royal, A suite was $150 a night. Its also secure as they will hold keep the copy the girls ID. They were suppose to charge me $40 for each girl but I never got charged becuase on my first day I gave the night manger a bottle of perfume I got from Dutyfree and he was my best friend for the next 10 days. I was tipping every one from the guy at the bar to bell boy to pool staff very well and got treated like a king.

I did not do any of the "Passport Bro" stupid shit like throwing money at the dancers, buying bottle service, being loud, showing up with a Rolex, and a gold chains.

I had a fantastic time for about 20% of what it would have cost in the US, and the girls were a lot better in looks and attitude.[/QUOTE]I used to stay at NH Collection a few years ago when I first started visiting Medellin. You could get the same room for as low as $90 a night and the joiner fee was $25 which increased to $40 this year. I've seen the rate as high as $170 when they have the flight crew from the Spanish airline they have a contract with staying there (typically Tuesdays). It really depends on who is working reception on whether you will be charged the joiner fee. I wish they had Netflix and Youtube with their tvs.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2921759]I know I will get few haters for this post.

I was in Medellin for two weeks a few months back. In LA, I spent around 1 K USD for an hour on a quality escort, so I was not trying to save money on this trip.

[URL]https://lacelestina.co/[/URL] is your best bet, you have to build a rap with them first by getting few girls and then they will open their private catalog for you. I was paying 1 M to 2. 5 M for 5 hours. Few were fluent english speekets. They were not watching the clock. Some stayed over night, I took them for dinners at fancy spots, spent time by the pool etc. Pure GF experience.

If you want to see the girl, chat, have a drink etc La Isla and Loutron are the best options, 600 K for 45 min to an hour. One bad part of La Isla the girls want to get done in 30 min or less. Lutron the manger is a fluent English speaker and amazing at helping you find the right girl. Most girls at these places will come and spend a day with you for 1 M. Guesto girls were asking 1 M or 300 US. Not worth it.

If you have time, [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] and Instagram are another options. In both cases, get the deal on Whatsup, as you will get banned otherwise on these platforms. I chatted with a few girls but did not meet up with any of them.

I stayed at NH Collection Medelland Royal, A suite was $150 a night. Its also secure as they will hold keep the copy the girls ID. They were suppose to charge me $40 for each girl but I never got charged becuase on my first day I gave the night manger a bottle of perfume I got from Dutyfree and he was my best friend for the next 10 days. I was tipping every one from the guy at the bar to bell boy to pool staff very well and got treated like a king.

I did not do any of the "Passport Bro" stupid shit like throwing money at the dancers, buying bottle service, being loud, showing up with a Rolex, and a gold chains.

I had a fantastic time for about 20% of what it would have cost in the US, and the girls were a lot better in looks and attitude.[/QUOTE]Will they send you pics of their faces? What about BBFS? Is that available? The hourly prices are for the most part reasonable if the faces are nice. I think I spotted one of my regulars on there. She is such a bad girl, always gives me BBFS and long dates / overnights. I think it would be worth trying out in a pinch ie a chica flakes on you.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2921759]..you have to build a rap with them first by getting few girls and then they will open their private catalog for you. [/QUOTE]

New customer just needs to put a deposit to see the catalog.

This paisa like to bring a sidekick with her. The best I can describe it is that it appears to be some kind of master / slave relationship. The sidekick is always very feminine, good kisser, no restriction, also behaves like an entertainer, a lot of fun but without her own identity.

She wanted to introduce me to her friend who is trans so she can watch her friend have sex with me. She brought another girl with her unannounced. As usual, she wanted me to take her friend first. This time because of the trans, I realized that she likes to watch. I think I am being used.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2921759]I know I will get few haters for this post.

I was in Medellin for two weeks a few months back. In LA, I spent around 1 K USD for an hour on a quality escort, so I was not trying to save money on this trip.

[URL]https://lacelestina.co/[/URL] is your best bet, you have to build a rap with them first by getting few girls and then they will open their private catalog for you. I was paying 1 M to 2. 5 M for 5 hours. Few were fluent english speekets. They were not watching the clock. Some stayed over night, I took them for dinners at fancy spots, spent time by the pool etc. Pure GF experience.

If you want to see the girl, chat, have a drink etc La Isla and Loutron are the best options, 600 K for 45 min to an hour. One bad part of La Isla the girls want to get done in 30 min or less. Lutron the manger is a fluent English speaker and amazing at helping you find the right girl. Most girls at these places will come and spend a day with you for 1 M. Guesto girls were asking 1 M or 300 US. Not worth it.

If you have time, [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] and Instagram are another options. In both cases, get the deal on Whatsup, as you will get banned otherwise on these platforms. I chatted with a few girls but did not meet up with any of them.

I stayed at NH Collection Medelland Royal, A suite was $150 a night. Its also secure as they will hold keep the copy the girls ID. They were suppose to charge me $40 for each girl but I never got charged becuase on my first day I gave the night manger a bottle of perfume I got from Dutyfree and he was my best friend for the next 10 days. I was tipping every one from the guy at the bar to bell boy to pool staff very well and got treated like a king.

I did not do any of the "Passport Bro" stupid shit like throwing money at the dancers, buying bottle service, being loud, showing up with a Rolex, and a gold chains.

I had a fantastic time for about 20% of what it would have cost in the US, and the girls were a lot better in looks and attitude.[/QUOTE]Way to contribute to the problem of overpaying and justifying by comparing it to saving compared to California prices. Stay in Cali if you're going to spend stupid like this.

You are a gringo hero to the girls or as we call it a major SIMP. And you wonder why people in the states don't like California douchbags ruining anywhere they go. In the states or in MDE.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2921924]Will they send you pics of their faces? What about BBFS? Is that available? The hourly prices are for the most part reasonable if the faces are nice. I think I spotted one of my regulars on there. She is such a bad girl, always gives me BBFS and long dates / overnights. I think it would be worth trying out in a pinch ie a chica flakes on you.[/QUOTE]BBFS I will not do it thus I did not even ask for it, but got every thing else. I was offered 2 girls but at my age I can't even handle one so did not try.

Yes, you will get see their face pics. You will be communicating with them on Telegram, the paid version of Telegram has automatic lang translatiion.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2921951]This paisa like to bring a sidekick with her. The best I can describe it is that it appears to be some kind of master / slave relationship. The sidekick is always very feminine, good kisser, no restriction, also behaves like an entertainer, a lot of fun but without her own identity.

She wanted to introduce me to her friend who is trans so she can watch her friend have sex with me. She brought another girl with her unannounced. As usual, she wanted me to take her friend first. This time because of the trans, I realized that she likes to watch. I think I am being used.[/QUOTE]LMAO. How much are you charging these chicas for services rendered?

I know I'm talking to a veteran. Just don't let your guard down too much.

Some great feedback from guys here thankyou. I'm planning my first time trip to medellin in August. I'm familiar now with lleras park and places like la isla and loutron. I've also been in touch with the la celestina agency. My aim is to minimise the searching for the most beautiful chicas even if it means paying more. However after just 2 days of reading the forum my research is going really well.

I've come across an obstacle though. Hotel m was my choice as there are nice girls present and it comes recommended. However it seems fully booked and in addition the prices seem ridiculously high. Can anyone recommend a hotel that is 1) has nice girls in its bar. 2) is moderately priced. 3) allows outside girls with no problem at all? as a first time visitor i dont have the confidence to do private appartments or air bnb. i need an all in one package hotel like hotel m with nice girls and that satisfies the 3 points above.

Many thanks to all again

(objJay can you confirm if nh collection medelland satisfies the 3 points above?)

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;2922009]Some great feedback from guys here thankyou. I'm planning my first time trip to medellin in August. I'm familiar now with lleras park and places like la isla and loutron. I've also been in touch with the la celestina agency. My aim is to minimise the searching for the most beautiful chicas even if it means paying more. However after just 2 days of reading the forum my research is going really well.

I've come across an obstacle though. Hotel m was my choice as there are nice girls present and it comes recommended. However it seems fully booked and in addition the prices seem ridiculously high. Can anyone recommend a hotel that is 1) has nice girls in its bar. 2) is moderately priced. 3) allows outside girls with no problem at all? as a first time visitor i dont have the confidence to do private appartments or air bnb. i need an all in one package hotel like hotel m with nice girls and that satisfies the 3 points above.

Many thanks to all again

(objJay can you confirm if nh collection medelland satisfies the 3 points above?)[/QUOTE]Hotel m is 1 of a kind in mde in that working girls hang out at the bar looking for johns. I know of no other hotel with such a setup.

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;2922009]Some great feedback from guys here thankyou. I'm planning my first time trip to medellin in August. I'm familiar now with lleras park and places like la isla and loutron. I've also been in touch with the la celestina agency. My aim is to minimise the searching for the most beautiful chicas even if it means paying more. However after just 2 days of reading the forum my research is going really well.

I've come across an obstacle though. Hotel m was my choice as there are nice girls present and it comes recommended. However it seems fully booked and in addition the prices seem ridiculously high. Can anyone recommend a hotel that is 1) has nice girls in its bar. 2) is moderately priced. 3) allows outside girls with no problem at all? as a first time visitor i dont have the confidence to do private appartments or air bnb. i need an all in one package hotel like hotel m with nice girls and that satisfies the 3 points above.

Many thanks to all again

(objJay can you confirm if nh collection medelland satisfies the 3 points above?)[/QUOTE]Despite the issues you read about Medellin here recently, you are in for a treat friend. Medellin is a paradise if you play right, so welcome!!

I recommend Haven A Design Hotel. It is a nice hotel in El Poblado, friends and I stayed there, girl friendly, you can walk few blocks to parque lleras to tons of bars and clubs and hundreds of chicas for your pick. If you don't want to stay in a nice area near bunch of gringos and prefer a heavy semi-risky downtown and local vibe and spend $10 per fuck instead of $100, you can stay in El Centro / downtown in Hotel Nutibara that is 75% cheaper. Girls 90% discount and hotel 75% discount downtown. But if you're here for a week or two on vaca and want a nice experience, I highly suggest to stay near El Poblado where it's nice and close to the main action. Still take a day trip to downtown and casas when you can to experience it all. All jokes aside DT is safe incl anywhere you go in the city unless you don't act right.

In Brazil now and making my way back next week w few buds so we may cross path. Hotel M is indeed noob friendly but usually recommended to book several months ahead. However, Medellin isn't known to have many hotels w girls on site. Hotel M Plaza is pretty much the only one and it's really an old house the owner inherited and allowed to have that, and you'll spend a little extra on girls anyway for that convenience. Most guys don't even go there after their first visit as you become comfy in town very quickly. You don't need a place like that also bc the entire city itself is a brothel, just ensure the place is girl friendly. But I get it, even some vets here are lazy and just want to stay in their hotels and order the pussy like a pizza LOL. Many use only fb and apps and just uber them in LOL. It's all good, but have some fun and walk to the park, it's not far and just walk back w the girls plus you'll have more variety.

Cheers.

I have also been to Medellin last April but I had to cut trip short due to issues back home. I had notes for the May trip but have been busy catching up on work. Some folks find these reports useful so I will report what happened on my most recent trip.

SFO- JetBlue- I take JetBlue from SFO (San Francisco) to FLL (Fort Lauderdale) to MDE (Medellin) Jose Maria Cordova. I took the 2:45 pm flight this time instead of 10 pm flight. That was a mistake. When I got to Fort Lauderdale it was midnight which was too late to get a hotel since the flight to MDE was at 9 am. If you have a choice between FLL and MIA choose MIA.

MDE Customs- I had already noted in an earlier post that there is heightened sensitivity with "gringo" travelers. I did the Check Mig in advance so I didn't have a problem there. I was 3rd in line so it went quickly. They really want to know where you are staying so it helps to have address and phone number of your host.

Laureles. I stay in Laureles at an Airbnb on the 5th floor. I like this place because it has an video monitor gate. You can "buzz" your guests in. There's no security but the gates are locked and key card type entry you tap and green light comes on and gate opens. This is a good place for safety and privacy. I talk about this in earlier posts.

Chicas in MDE- I talk to women no more than one week before arrival. If you initiate contact too early they may think you are all talk. If they are online (SA) it means they need money now.

On this trip I think I talked to too many I. E Seeking, Tinder and Instagram. I don't go to clubs or houses to find women. I like to spend an hour or so in Botero.

I think Botero is better than Lleras. I saw a few girls in tennis skirts with no underwear. They have high proportion of 20 something Vennies who are easy to talk to talk to. The starting price is 50 mil. I can't post pics on here they are large. Those girls are fine as fuck.

DAY 1 - Sandra de SEEKING.

I saw her about a week before mt trip. Her pics were hot. A 22 year old but has a day job and kids. Her pics made her look like a 9. 5-10. However, when I met her she looked different. These gals like to lighten their complexion with apps. She was also thicker but still a solid 8. We agreed on 400 on Seeking but then she wanted it before. I told her that I don't pay first. This went on for 5 minutes until she relented. She pissed me off but when I saw her body I wanted fuck. She said she had a hysterectomy so bare was okay. I ate her pussy and tasted her come. I fucked her in a couple of positions and came in her pussy. I then paid her to leave. She was texting throughout my visit but I told her that once was enough. I might try her again on a future visit.

DAY 2- Maria de TINDER.

This chick was somewhat different than her pics. It's her but much heavier in person. She's 21 about 5' . I let her give me head and sent her away. Not the end of the world but I will be more prepared the next time for misleading pics. 250 mil.

DAY 3- SOFIA de SEEKING- I have mentioned her in earlier reports. We were talking but were not able to meet. I had so many girls I was talking to it didn't work out. I talk to her a lot through texts. She has an inner circle I want to crack. She showed me her Barbie themed birthday party on an earlier visit. She's the hottest and DTF or hanging out.

I actually spent most of the day at El Centro and met a couple of Vennies that I mentioned earlier. I will get them on my next trip. I went back to AirBNB and for awhile and later that night went to LLeras Park. They have police covering all entry points into the park. They also had inspectors inside and outside of park removing people sleeping and minors. I saw a couple of hotties but it's not my scene. Fun to watch but I rarely poach from there.

DAY 4- MARGOT de SEEKING-.

I tried something different on this visit. I saw a older lady in her 40's with no tats. So, I had her come out since my other regular Karen_rua23 on Instagram was in Cartagena. Margot wanted 250 mil so I agreed and she came over. She was 5'6" and had natural 32 D tits. There was no baby damage at all and a nice tan. It was Saturday night so went went at it for awhile. She had a bedside manner that was sexy. She rubbing the head of cock with her fingers and it felt good. Then she gave me another round of head. I have a thing for middle age women who age well. I am going see her on my next trip.

DAY 5- No action on this day. Again I was talking to so many women I forgot who they were and what I wanted to do. The people who expected to see disappeared.

DAY 6- LAURA- I saw Laura who is my regular and mentioned her in earlier posts. I didn't expect to see her but she texted me out of the blue and asked if I was coming back to Colombia. I lied and told her I was in Bogota. Her birthday was on the Saturday past but I sent her flowers. I really like Laura but problem I have with her is that she comes over too late. We agree to meet at 8 pm and she comes over at 11 pm. I always bring viagra / cialis generics that I get from RO for $60. I think its like 10 packs with 3 pills. I take an hour before I have sex.

This visit didn't go too well quite frankly. She speaks English very well and goes to school for real. But, she got a job as a tour guide to gringos so she works like 6 days a week. On some days it's for a few hours. When I first met her off of Seeking she did not have a job. She lives with her mom but they are getting on each other nerves. Laura can't help around the house as much holding a job and attending school. She says there's a rise in violence in her neighborhood and guys are sexually harassing her because how she dresses. She likes to wear short skirts and it looks like she isn't wearing panties. I don't mind listening to all of this but it's getting late. When she undressed she had hair on pussy it was a perfect triangle but more stubble than Bush. I ate her pussy and she came fast.

I was so tired that I could only come once in her pussy. Laura likes to lay next to my bottom half and give head for 30 minutes or whatever. She's very oral. After we finished, she went to the shower and came back to the room. She asked me if she could ask a question. Mt heart sank. I hate it when women do that. She asked if I was seeing anyone else and the last time I had sex. BUSTED.

I lied and told her 6 months ago. She looked at me like " yeah right. " She wasn't the same after. She was saying that she wasn't interested in anyone else because she is focused on school and work. Where she lives Laura is GPS and has sense not to give it away to those broke ass jokers in her hood. I was inclined to believe her. It's okay I will interview some Vennies to replace her.

DAY 7- Wendy de Tinder-.

I like to bang women of all shades. I was talking to Wendy on Tinder she is black. She had sexy pics and use my AI app to translate and text women on there. She had another friend on Tinder who I was already talking to. They wanted to do doubles. I got this request more often on this trip. I only do singles, so that was out of the question. I keep all of my belongings in a separate room. I use the spare to hook up. Again, the pics of Wendy as compared to that of Tinder were off. They had been filtered. However, she looked really good. I don't care about skin color. She came over in some raggedy jeans that weren't appealing. I gave her some Victoria's Secret as I do with some of the others and when she came out the vibe was different. She looked really good but would not let me take nude pics so that was a bummer. These girls really like receiving oral sex. I tore her up. She acted like she didn't want to leave so I pretended like a roommate was coming over. I don't know if I will repeat. My other chocolate surprise I can't see anymore because she is too pushy.

DAY 8- CAMILA AKA MIRASLAV de Seeking.

This girl was the last last girl that I saw. Her pics were the most misleading that I experienced on this trip. She was much bigger than her pics depicted. Not that she was really fat. She was not petite but was like the size of volleyball player. Nearly 5' 9" or so. She was pretty good but would not let me eat her pussy. She said that she was born in Florida but has lived in Colombia most of life. She was getting on my nerves asking me all kinds of questions "what are you thinking" and "do you like me. " Please. I came her pussy felt good and paid her to leave.

It was a good trip but I made some mistakes like talking to too many people. I think I will leave my schedule open and get some girls out the El Centro. Or, I will do a repeat visit with the girls who let me take pics. There's no need to pay 600 or 700 cop to get decent action out here. The range that I saw was 50 mil to 400 mil. All were BBFS and I negotiated that before they came over, Some will not want to so I let them go.

I will also change my spot because I am overly familiar with people on the street. There's a "sex tourist" resentment vibe towards visitors like us that I am feeling. It's hard to describe but it's there.

[QUOTE=JimmyStreets;2921978]Way to contribute to the problem of overpaying and justifying by comparing it to saving compared to California prices. Stay in Cali if you're going to spend stupid like this.

You are a gringo hero to the girls or as we call it a major SIMP. And you wonder why people in the states don't like California douchbags ruining anywhere they go. In the states or in MDE.[/QUOTE]This is what I said "I know I will get few haters for this post. " . I saved 80% and had an amazing time. If you can't affored it, stay out of the game.

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;2922009]Some great feedback from guys here thankyou. I'm planning my first time trip to medellin in August. I'm familiar now with lleras park and places like la isla and loutron. I've also been in touch with the la celestina agency. My aim is to minimise the searching for the most beautiful chicas even if it means paying more. However after just 2 days of reading the forum my research is going really well.

I've come across an obstacle though. Hotel m was my choice as there are nice girls present and it comes recommended. However it seems fully booked and in addition the prices seem ridiculously high. Can anyone recommend a hotel that is 1) has nice girls in its bar. 2) is moderately priced. 3) allows outside girls with no problem at all? as a first time visitor i dont have the confidence to do private appartments or air bnb. i need an all in one package hotel like hotel m with nice girls and that satisfies the 3 points above.

Many thanks to all again

(objJay can you confirm if nh collection medelland satisfies the 3 points above?)[/QUOTE]Nh collection has a bar but no girls, I was paying $150 for suite, it was like a 1 bed room apartment. No issues with out side girls, they say its $40 extra but I did not pay.

You may try reading again. He wrote that in his second paragraph

[QUOTE=Turgid;2921886]I did not see where he said that. I saw US $600 equivalent for 5 hours.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2922137]You may try reading again. He wrote that in his second paragraph.[/QUOTE]Let's not argue about whether I overpaid or not. It's like flying first and economy: Both seats are on the same plane, but one is 3 to 5 times more. Mongering is the same. If you want quality, convenience, an English-speaking girl, safety, etc, you have to pay.

Again I had an amazing time for 20% of what I would spent in my home town.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2922137]You may try reading again. He wrote that in his second paragraph

.[/QUOTE]His second paragraph: "I was in Medellin for two weeks a few months back. In LA, I spent around 1 K USD for an hour on a quality escort, so I was not trying to save money on this trip. ".

Seeing that you think he spent 1K USD for an hour in Colombia you probably think LA means Lower Antioquia, I took it to mean Los Angeles.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2922142]Let's not argue about whether I overpaid or not. It's like flying first and economy: Both seats are on the same plane, but one is 3 to 5 times more. Mongering is the same. If you want quality, convenience, an English-speaking girl, safety, etc, you have to pay.

Again I had an amazing time for 20% of what I would spent in my home town.[/QUOTE]You eating steak and lobster will not effect the prices of those that eat McDonalds.

And I never bash those that spend less but it's always those that travel on their last penny or are penny pinchers hating on the ones that spend.

You had fun and that's all that matters.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2922174]You eating steak and lobster will not effect the prices of those that eat McDonalds.

And I never bash those that spend less but it's always those that travel on their last penny or are penny pinchers hating on the ones that spend.

You had fun and that's all that matters.[/QUOTE]You earned that money. Don't let strangers tell you how to spend your money. At the end of your trip, ask yourself whether you had fun and it was within your budget. If the answer is yes to both, that is all that matters.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2922050]I have also been to Medellin last April but I had to cut trip short due to issues back home. I had notes for the May trip but have been busy catching up on work. Some folks find these reports useful so I will report what happened on my most recent trip.

SFO- JetBlue- I take JetBlue from SFO (San Francisco) to FLL (Fort Lauderdale) to MDE (Medellin) Jose Maria Cordova. I took the 2:45 pm flight this time instead of 10 pm flight. That was a mistake. When I got to Fort Lauderdale it was midnight which was too late to get a hotel since the flight to MDE was at 9 am. If you have a choice between FLL and MIA choose MIA.

MDE Customs- I had already noted in an earlier post that there is heightened sensitivity with "gringo" travelers. I did the Check Mig in advance so I didn't have a problem there. I was 3rd in line so it went quickly. They really want to know where you are staying so it helps to have address and phone number of your host.

Laureles. I stay in Laureles at an Airbnb on the 5th floor. I like this place because it has an video monitor gate. You can "buzz" your guests in. There's no security but the gates are locked and key card type entry you tap and green light comes on and gate opens. This is a good place for safety and privacy. I talk about this in earlier posts.

Chicas in MDE- I talk to women no more than one week before arrival. If you initiate contact too early they may think you are all talk. If they are online (SA) it means they need money now.

On this trip I think I talked to too many I. E Seeking, Tinder and Instagram. I don't go to clubs or houses to find women. I like to spend an hour or so in Botero.

I think Botero is better than Lleras. I saw a few girls in tennis skirts with no underwear. They have high proportion of 20 something Vennies who are easy to talk to talk to. The starting price is 50 mil. I can't post pics on here they are large. Those girls are fine as fuck.

DAY 1 - Sandra de SEEKING.

I saw her about a week before mt trip. Her pics were hot. A 22 year old but has a day job and kids. Her pics made her look like a 9. 5-10. However, when I met her she looked different. These gals like to lighten their complexion with apps. She was also thicker but still a solid 8. We agreed on 400 on Seeking but then she wanted it before. I told her that I don't pay first. This went on for 5 minutes until she relented. She pissed me off but when I saw her body I wanted fuck. She said she had a hysterectomy so bare was okay. I ate her pussy and tasted her come. I fucked her in a couple of positions and came in her pussy. I then paid her to leave. She was texting throughout my visit but I told her that once was enough. I might try her again on a future visit.

DAY 2- Maria de TINDER.

This chick was somewhat different than her pics. It's her but much heavier in person. She's 21 about 5' . I let her give me head and sent her away. Not the end of the world but I will be more prepared the next time for misleading pics. 250 mil.

DAY 3- SOFIA de SEEKING- I have mentioned her in earlier reports. We were talking but were not able to meet. I had so many girls I was talking to it didn't work out. I talk to her a lot through texts. She has an inner circle I want to crack. She showed me her Barbie themed birthday party on an earlier visit. She's the hottest and DTF or hanging out.

I actually spent most of the day at El Centro and met a couple of Vennies that I mentioned earlier. I will get them on my next trip. I went back to AirBNB and for awhile and later that night went to LLeras Park. They have police covering all entry points into the park. They also had inspectors inside and outside of park removing people sleeping and minors. I saw a couple of hotties but it's not my scene. Fun to watch but I rarely poach from there.

DAY 4- MARGOT de SEEKING-.

I tried something different on this visit. I saw a older lady in her 40's with no tats. So, I had her come out since my other regular Karen_rua23 on Instagram was in Cartagena. Margot wanted 250 mil so I agreed and she came over. She was 5'6" and had natural 32 D tits. There was no baby damage at all and a nice tan. It was Saturday night so went went at it for awhile. She had a bedside manner that was sexy. She rubbing the head of cock with her fingers and it felt good. Then she gave me another round of head. I have a thing for middle age women who age well. I am going see her on my next trip.

DAY 5- No action on this day. Again I was talking to so many women I forgot who they were and what I wanted to do. The people who expected to see disappeared.

DAY 6- LAURA- I saw Laura who is my regular and mentioned her in earlier posts. I didn't expect to see her but she texted me out of the blue and asked if I was coming back to Colombia. I lied and told her I was in Bogota. Her birthday was on the Saturday past but I sent her flowers. I really like Laura but problem I have with her is that she comes over too late. We agree to meet at 8 pm and she comes over at 11 pm. I always bring viagra / cialis generics that I get from RO for $60. I think its like 10 packs with 3 pills. I take an hour before I have sex.

This visit didn't go too well quite frankly. She speaks English very well and goes to school for real. But, she got a job as a tour guide to gringos so she works like 6 days a week. On some days it's for a few hours. When I first met her off of Seeking she did not have a job. She lives with her mom but they are getting on each other nerves. Laura can't help around the house as much holding a job and attending school. She says there's a rise in violence in her neighborhood and guys are sexually harassing her because how she dresses. She likes to wear short skirts and it looks like she isn't wearing panties. I don't mind listening to all of this but it's getting late. When she undressed she had hair on pussy it was a perfect triangle but more stubble than Bush. I ate her pussy and she came fast.

I was so tired that I could only come once in her pussy. Laura likes to lay next to my bottom half and give head for 30 minutes or whatever. She's very oral. After we finished, she went to the shower and came back to the room. She asked me if she could ask a question. Mt heart sank. I hate it when women do that. She asked if I was seeing anyone else and the last time I had sex. BUSTED.

I lied and told her 6 months ago. She looked at me like " yeah right. " She wasn't the same after. She was saying that she wasn't interested in anyone else because she is focused on school and work. Where she lives Laura is GPS and has sense not to give it away to those broke ass jokers in her hood. I was inclined to believe her. It's okay I will interview some Vennies to replace her.

DAY 7- Wendy de Tinder-.

I like to bang women of all shades. I was talking to Wendy on Tinder she is black. She had sexy pics and use my AI app to translate and text women on there. She had another friend on Tinder who I was already talking to. They wanted to do doubles. I got this request more often on this trip. I only do singles, so that was out of the question. I keep all of my belongings in a separate room. I use the spare to hook up. Again, the pics of Wendy as compared to that of Tinder were off. They had been filtered. However, she looked really good. I don't care about skin color. She came over in some raggedy jeans that weren't appealing. I gave her some Victoria's Secret as I do with some of the others and when she came out the vibe was different. She looked really good but would not let me take nude pics so that was a bummer. These girls really like receiving oral sex. I tore her up. She acted like she didn't want to leave so I pretended like a roommate was coming over. I don't know if I will repeat. My other chocolate surprise I can't see anymore because she is too pushy.

DAY 8- CAMILA AKA MIRASLAV de Seeking.

This girl was the last last girl that I saw. Her pics were the most misleading that I experienced on this trip. She was much bigger than her pics depicted. Not that she was really fat. She was not petite but was like the size of volleyball player. Nearly 5' 9" or so. She was pretty good but would not let me eat her pussy. She said that she was born in Florida but has lived in Colombia most of life. She was getting on my nerves asking me all kinds of questions "what are you thinking" and "do you like me. " Please. I came her pussy felt good and paid her to leave.

It was a good trip but I made some mistakes like talking to too many people. I think I will leave my schedule open and get some girls out the El Centro. Or, I will do a repeat visit with the girls who let me take pics. There's no need to pay 600 or 700 cop to get decent action out here. The range that I saw was 50 mil to 400 mil. All were BBFS and I negotiated that before they came over, Some will not want to so I let them go.

I will also change my spot because I am overly familiar with people on the street. There's a "sex tourist" resentment vibe towards visitors like us that I am feeling. It's hard to describe but it's there.[/QUOTE]Damn sounds like you had a pretty good trip. I've been a catador in Colombia for a while but mostly Medellin. Haven't done much on seeking or tinder. Any chance you would share info for Sandra, Margot, and Laura. I have two I can share back.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2922142]Let's not argue about whether I overpaid or not. It's like flying first and economy: Both seats are on the same plane, but one is 3 to 5 times more. Mongering is the same. If you want quality, convenience, an English-speaking girl, safety, etc, you have to pay.

Again I had an amazing time for 20% of what I would spent in my home town.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2922050]

I think Botero is better than Lleras. I saw a few girls in tennis skirts with no underwear. They have high proportion of 20 something Vennies who are easy to talk to talk to. The starting price is 50 mil. I can't post pics on here they are large. Those girls are fine as fuck.

DAY 1 - Sandra de SEEKING.
DAY 2- Maria de TINDER.
DAY 3- SOFIA de SEEKING
I actually spent most of the day at El Centro and met a couple of Vennies that I mentioned earlier.
DAY 4- MARGOT de SEEKING-.
DAY 8- CAMILA AKA MIRASLAV de Seeking.
[/QUOTE]I swear if this forum wasnt already popular with thousands of users I'd think admin themselves are hiring people from upwork and other sites to write fake reports as a way to gain users. But it is not the case. T.

The most recent one posted yesterday also is 100% fake. One second dude's bragging about girls in centro for 50 k and "fine as fuck" and another min talking about spending big on seeking. Unless you can magically be in two places at a time that report is strange. Spending all day in centro as he said yet has time for so many Seeking dates lmao.

Also sharing user names and names easily. Who does that? First it'd be disrespectful to those girls to share their info like that from a private site, and wow it's also almost as if Seeking is advertising themselves and wrote the report. Or the girl / s themselves wrote it to gain customers from here lmao. Clearly translated and unnatural.

BUSTED #1!!

Then, only one explanation for the guy spending 1 K USD. True you may as well stay home and in fact that too is a lie. You can get laid with some Pornstars in LA for less than that. US has some baddies you can fuck for $300 range easily. Fake monger isn't spending 1 k back home, or wouldn't have the need to come here.

Mofos are so quick to say to others to stay out of game, while they are clearly new here trying to flex. It's a weird thing, as if we're going to meet with them and suck their dicks for fake reports and brags LMAO. This is anonymous first of all, and there are many Millionaires on here incl some Doctors, all types of real men. I do some silly stuff at times when partying and celebrating an occasion here and there but I don't waste money cause that's all it is. Plus it's a selfish prick attitude to being new to a community and clearly contributing to something that ruins the game for others. Mongering have always had silent rules. I always say this here, no one will come after you, there are no mongering cops, but it's call being a gentleman to sort of stay within certain lines.

Funny thing it's not just us foreigners w this type of code of ethics or this website. Colombian themselves have many forum sites similar to this one where they discuss the girls, write reports, discuss pricings and argue just like we do. Not going to share links but I read their sites for intel myself. It's a gent and pussy thing. Before the internet hundreds of years ago this always existed when men meet in bars with the hos to drink and have camaraderie.

So chill with the fake baller attitude and fake ass report. No one's impressed.

Would love to say Madd is back but never went anywhere.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2922142]... It's like flying first and economy: Both seats are on the same plane, but one is 3 to 5 times more. ...[/QUOTE]This is a flawed argument. You paid for first class but there is nothing to indicate that you are getting the first class treatment or you get getting better treatment than the people who are paying less. It depends on various factors. For example, repeat likely will give you a different experience, knowing the language, culture, or the girls.

I have several bottles of imported liquors and wines. Based on your reasoning, the girl will perform better if they drink these because they cost more. The reality is they want to cheap liquors produced locally. I let them order whatever they want, often they would order food like arepa.

It is great that you optimized the resource you had to get what you think is the best experience.

This is where you can start adding friends on Facebook, slowly at first. Please read the post and the quoted posts.

[QUOTE==;2875212]Find her on Facebook[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2922002].. Just don't let your guard down too much.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reminder. I know there is danger to let them in. I don't have anything that I can't lost in my apartment. I see her fairly often, with or without other sidekicks. I also know about the girl she brought. She listens to my request, and she would ask in advance next time and she did. She came a long way. When we first met, she put condom on the vibrator, and now she does not even mention condom. The interesting thing about sidekick is that it does not feel like she is working and it's just different

She would write down the lyrics of some interesting songs, about sex and relationship, she was playing for me to understand so that is a nice gesture. She would buy stuff and bring it to me as gifts, like cookie and stuff. But unfortunately, I think she is good at manipulating people using words or lies, and I am the target from time to time.

I have been boots on the ground for some time now and, Here is my current info upload, maybe it will help someone.

There are different kinds of hobbyists; thus, the things I write are mainly my style, which means I rarely order inn online or from an agency. The main reason for me is: I want to vibe with girls and see them IRL, not just in pictures. I have done miletorticos and pretty much all agencies that have been mentioned here and while they are not bad I think you can do better for the price.

Plus, if you are looking for stunners and 10's and don't mind a little work, why even bother with an agency? Go to any high-end mall, Poblado, Fancy restaurants, and chat up girls IRL like you normally do. I have pulled some girls that Playboy magazine would kill for, and all for the low, low price of free.

Colombian women are awesome; they are not femenazi western girls we are all used to, so gents, if you don't smell like ass and don't look like an ass, this literally feels like a fat kid in a candy store with an unlimited credit card type shid. Granted, I want way overboard in the beginning, literally, binge-licking everything nice and sparkly, but after a while, you get so spoiled you only go for the top-shelf stuff. So don't make the same mistake I did. Pace yourself.

1) First, I do not know if I just have good luck or what, but for daytime, New Life is the place to be. If you tip personnel working there and are nice, you will literally be treated so well. It requires no logistics, setups, texts, etc. You just roll up and go full energizer bunny on 'them. The price / safety ratio can not be beaten. Now, not everyone here is a 10, but you are not marrying them, and there are enough girls to find one that tickles your fancy.

I have tried Energy Casa many times, and in my opinion, it is just meh. Not even on the same level as New Life. Once in a while, you may find a nice student girl there, but I am not a big fan of management.

2) Once you improve your Spanish and become comfortable, Botero is the best place to be. You can find some real diamonds in the rough on the street next to the church. This place, for me, is strictly daytime as well. I hate hotels here because most of them are not good, but they get the job done. There are some great Vennies here, and even locals, but the best thing about this place is the price. It starts around 50 but that just gets you very basic stuff. Now with 100 or 150 you can get very nice long sessions. The best thing to do is rent AIRBNB or an apartment that you strictly use for girls (don't live there; there are nice ones for about 3 0 USD / day in the area and pull the girls you vibe with there.

3) As for Strip clubs in the Botero area, Conejitas is my favorite. The price is reasonable, you can pull girls you like directly upstairs to an okay motel, and stuff / girls are not pushy or annoying. 2 k tip per dance for girls and drink for hours with your friends. Bonus tip: make friends with DJ and you may even get to control the music LOL. It is even more fun when I go with my own girls.

Barra Executiva was recommended by a friend, who said there was a better lineup, but honestly, I don't think so. Prices are a bit higher, and girls are more robotic / plastic. So far, I have been there a handful of times and never really enjoyed it as much as Conejitas. However, both places are great to get girls' numbers for after-hours play.

4) Highend.

For nighttime, Parke is still the place to be. Many 19-22 Yo Putas who are not hardened pros just doing it to buy whatever their lizard mind requires. Fair warning: be careful with girls who want to get well before the session. If they od in your place you will have problems.

If you want normal girls, Provenza has delivered many great results for me. Sit around at all the outside spots, drink and enjoy people-watching or go to nice places with a more intimate vibe. I like Gato Resto for example. It's a great place to pull girls for the second location. Remember, rapport still matters females are females all over the world, so build it early and strong. One thing I noticed is gringas get mad when you don't talk to them, so then they try to compete with local girls LOL anyway, I pulled two very nice gringas from there. YMMV, but still worth a shot.

Clubs.

I used to hate on La Isla because of plastic and prices, but the last three times, I have had a blast there. Either the lineup is getting better, or I am just getting lucky. The other night, I got TLN for 600, and she stayed the next day, too.

I went to the Lujuria Club, and it was definitely not my scene. I did go with two girls, and if I did not bring my own girls, I would be walking out with blue balls. I don't think this is it, unless you enjoy other people watching you while you bring your own girl. Girls that they had there, I would not even say Hello, to them on the streets, but everyone's standards are different so YMMV.

As for my crazy love triangle drama thing from earlier if anyone remembers I basically tried to end it with all 3 of them. I had to repeat myself over and over many times but after some tears, crying, etc 2 out of 3 got the message and left me alone. Third was a student girl that I liked the most. I literally told her to her face that I am never marrying her or anyone for that matter, I don't want kids, responsibility etc I told her that this will never go to anything more than what it already is. She looked at me like I murdered her puppy in front of her. I thought I was finally free but she goes "but you do like me I see with my own eyes and I don't want anything from you but please just be with me" Long story short: somehow I ended up in an open relationship with her (closed on her end) while I made it very clear that I was going to sleep with other girls, party, etc and that we would never be together long term she happily agreed.

So far, this agreement has been working very well for me. I did have to pay for her to get an IUD installed and STD tests as I am definitely not wearing a condom with GF, but I'd say money well spent. I get to come home to a beautiful young girl who cooks, cleans, and is pleasant to be around, and I get to fill her up daily like a jelly donut. I also made it a requirement that she must get tested monthly and can't touch anyone else. She happily agreed and seems happier and happier every day. It was hard for me to trust her as I had seen the loyalty of married Colombian women already, but so far this girl is sticking to the script.

Interestingly this also turned into SUB / DOM relationship as I was talking to her one night in bed about how I enjoyed the scene and had done it before etc and she jumped up and goes "so where is my choker and name tag then?" I tell you all, that did something to me to the point where I was thunder-thrusting her that whole night like there was no tomorrow. I thought I broke her in half LOL. So basically, the deal is that she stays with me full-time now at my place, as it is closer to her school and work, plus her family home is kind out of the city proper. She does all house chores / shopping / accompanies me to places. I do pay for her nails / hair but that's because I like my girls taken care of a certain way. Anyway, for about 150 USD expense a week (this includes nails, going out together, groceries, etc.) I got 11 out of 10 girl who also doubles as a sub and is just getting into L play / other girls. I prefer playing in a trio so it is nice when she does these chicks with me. I am glad I did not cut it off and ghost her as that was my Plan be if the talk did not work.

In other news, if some ex-pats stopped doing stupid shit, we would have less hate towards foreigners. Like the young bros screaming at the top of their lungs in English by the park entrance the last Friday night. "ay yo, ay yo" "yo, I don't give a fuck" "turn up" "smack her ass" etc, trust me, you all will give a fuck when you end up in Colombian prison. There is a reason those girls are standing outside and can't enter the park. Fucking dumb asses. You all must stay in the USA, preferably in your parents' basements. If you are not socialized properly and can't be around people, please stay home and stop ruining this great place for everyone.

Also, not judging but to that old guy with a walking cane and 18 yo (I Hope) puta in tow. My friend get her number and tell her to come up to you in 10 minutes via text. You looked so out of place with her; every single cop was looking at you, and not in a good way. Did you even check her ID? SMH, some people are just asking for trouble.

Stay safe out there Gents.

Operator Out.

As I understand it (and from a previous post I saw on here), the ban in Poblado and Provenza opens up the ability for police to show up to your door anytime they have a reasonable suspicion of mongering activity. This could stem from neighbors calling in, police monitoring, or even kick back rackets (not uncommon there). Maybe this is paranoia, but have any of you opted to just stay in Laurels to avoid the crackdown climate in Poblado / Provenza? Or, is there nothing to worry about if you're not in lleras making a scene?

I'm currently in Medellin. I primarily use Facebook and MILERÓTICOS. I want to try picking up street girls in centro. Mostly because I have a super specific request that I believe comes off better in person. I want to pay a girl to twerk and grind on me but hopefully cheaper than sex. But in centro the prices are lower so I could rationalize paying sex price there for the service I want.

I just want some info on how to go about mongering I'm el centro. Times and places would be greatly appreciated. I want to go during the day to minimize danger. Thanks in advance. I will come back and share the lay of the land for all interested parties.

[QUOTE=KebabOperator;2922228] The best thing to do is rent AIRBNB or an apartment that you strictly use for girls (don't live there; there are nice ones for about 3 0 USD / day in the area and pull the girls you vibe with there.
[/QUOTE]Or use 15-30 mil long-time love hotels.

[QUOTE=KebabOperator;2922228]
Bonus tip: make friends with DJ and you may even get to control the music LOL. It is even more fun when I go with my own girls.
[/QUOTE]I wonder if he'd turn down the volume for me, it must be the the loudest cento club, horrible. Decent rooms though.

[QUOTE=KebabOperator;2922228]
Barra Executiva was recommended by a friend, who said there was a better lineup, but honestly, I don't think so. Prices are a bit higher, and girls are more robotic / plastic. So far, I have been there a handful of times and never really enjoyed it as much as Conejitas. However, both places are great to get girls' numbers for after-hours play.
[/QUOTE]IMO Barra has better looking girls but it's a late night club so I don't visit that much. As for their attitudes, probably a bit better in cheaper clubs, but I did have some great times in Barra as well.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2922241]I'm currently in Medellin. I primarily use Facebook and MILERTICOS. I want to try picking up street girls in centro. Mostly because I have a super specific request that I believe comes off better in person. I want to pay a girl to twerk and grind on me but hopefully cheaper than sex. But in centro the prices are lower so I could rationalize paying sex price there for the service I want.

I just want some info on how to go about mongering I'm el centro. Times and places would be greatly appreciated. I want to go during the day to minimize danger. Thanks in advance. I will come back and share the lay of the land for all interested parties.[/QUOTE]Hit the centro strip clubs, most of the girls will happily twerk an grind and have the necessary skills to do it.

I am planning a weekend getaway to San Andres with a favorita from Medellin. Can anyone recommend a nice hotel with beach view, walking distance to nightlife, $200 a night or under hopefully? Side note, does the island have ATV's or some type of thing like that for rent that you can take around the island? I posted this in the San Andres thread as well but taking a shot that some of you veterans can help.

Feel free to private message me, I can help with those looking to start off the facebook game, contacts, airbnbs, restaurants, drivers, etc.

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2922311]I am planning a weekend getaway to San Andres with a favorita from Medellin. Can anyone recommend a nice hotel with beach view, walking distance to nightlife, $200 a night or under hopefully? Side note, does the island have ATV's or some type of thing like that for rent that you can take around the island? I posted this in the San Andres thread as well but taking a shot that some of you veterans can help.

Feel free to private message me, I can help with those looking to start off the facebook game, contacts, airbnbs, restaurants, drivers, etc.[/QUOTE]Yes you can rent the side by sides there. They call them mulitas. If you get one of Their phone numbers, you can coordinate so the mulita is waiting for you at the airport and then they meet you at the airport for your departure.

[QUOTE=Kbdb2488;2922311]I am planning a weekend getaway to San Andres with a favorita from Medellin. Can anyone recommend a nice hotel with beach view, walking distance to nightlife, $200 a night or under hopefully? Side note, does the island have ATV's or some type of thing like that for rent that you can take around the island? [/QUOTE]All the nightlife is in one place, so it should be easy to choose a hotel in that area. Look up Caribbean Disco Club. It is on Calle 1. And do not expect too much, because there are only 2 bars / clubs for nightlife (3 tops). Really no reason to stay in that area if you have transportation. But that is the most popular, hence most expensive area. Where I always stay I pay about $60/ night. Renting a scooter there is really no need to stay there. You can also rent big golf carts, but they are less versatile, less agile, less fun, slower and more expensive than a scooter. I am sure you will get tired of going over all the speed bumps on one of those carts. It only takes 45 minutes to drive around the whole island on a scooter. I am not giving my place up, but I recommend staying on the east side near Aqua Beach Club (great place to chill during the day) versus the busy, popular north side where the nightlife is if you have transportation. San Andres is cheaper and a better beach destination than Cartagena.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2922000]I did not do any of the "Passport Bro" stupid shit like throwing money at the dancers, buying bottle service, being loud, showing up with a Rolex, and a gold chains.[/QUOTE]No, but you did your own version. Gringo Tourist stupid shit like throwing money at hotel staff and girls, buying perfume bottle service, showing your upmarket hotel off. Practically the same, hehe, but maybe you won't see it that way because 1 version is you and the other version is a group that you look down on.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2922142]It's like flying first and economy: Both seats are on the same plane, but one is 3 to 5 times more. Mongering is the same. If you want quality, convenience, an English-speaking girl, safety, etc, you have to pay.
[/QUOTE]I am happy you had a great time. But its not like flying 1st class or economy at all. The analogy would be you buying a raffle ticket. One ticket is first class and the other is economy. You pay for first class but you have to take you pick one ticket and you might end up with 1st class or economy.

Was my rookie trip, first time mongering:

My spanish is decent.

Did some pre-planning dates with Facebook and Tinder before arriving.

Loutron: Nice selection, 400 k for the hour. Included massage, CBJ and CFS. More if using credit card. First time I went was just 1 session. Returned and had 3 sessions the 2nd time. I noticed the girls seemed to ignore me after I'the been there for a couple hours and large groups of guys were arriving, I had to ask the staff multiple times to see the presentation.

FB girls: Most of them not as pretty as photos, 200 k for the hour. Wasn't worth the time I put in setting up. Used Kuboz Suite motel in Laureles, cheap and safe area. Had one spinner from Tinder that I did repeat session, 300 k per hour.

Centro: Befriended a local taxi and hired him for 50 k per hour to drive / tour me through Centro. Bought a few joints by the church to enjoy while we did the loop around Veracruz. Average quality, a few hotties. 50 k for the ratito, 10 k the motel. At night we went to a nearby strip club, can't remember the name. Went the a VIP area with 2 girls and the taxista. Decided to try perrico and tusi, bad idea. Couldn't get it up and was tweaking out a bit. So we left and he showed me Black Diamond club in Lleras. Nice selection but I wasn't feeling good so we called it a night.

Returned another day, mostly average girls again.

Energy Spa: Average selection, a couple cuties. Did 2 sessions, 200 k for hour.

La Isla: First night I went with a group, about 350 k for the bottle to sit at a table. Slow night, the girls in dresses didn't seem they wanted to be there or to interact. Enjoyed the show and eventually called a girl over to chat. She quoted me 600 k for the hour in the adjacent motel. Agreed and left after that session.

I returned alone and ended up screwing up big time. Bought the bottle around 350 k to sit close to the stage, and proceeded to drink quickly as I was too sober, was a busy Friday night. Eventually call a dancer over and she again quotes me 600 k for her and the room for 1 hour, I pay and we go. Afterwards I'm on cloud 9 and go back to my table, finish my bottle and have the genius idea to order 6 beers. Somewhere along the way I blacked out, rest of the night is bits and pieces, don't want to remember LOL. 300 k disappeared from my wallet. I think security carried me out and laid me down to sleep on the wall outside. They told me to leave around 7 am and somehow I stumbled through the highway still blacked out and got a ride to Poblado. Felt like dogshit and couldn't do anything my last day there.

Lleras Park: Picked up a girl in the park, she insisted I bring her friend also. I say I don't like the friend, but she says the friend will just sit in the bathroom. Dumbass move but I agreed, so we leave to Kuboz Suite. Tried the tusi again, didn't like it again. End up fucking the friend too because I'm high and drunk. The friend starts talking whispers to her, can tell they're talking about drugging me but the other girl doesn't want to. Alarm bells going off so I decide to end soon after.

Ibiza Motel Lounge: Also went to this motel, very nice but a bit overpriced.

Overall things went okay, could've negotiated better and not done dumbass shit, but hey I'm a rookie with ADHD haha.

Was my rookie trip, first time mongering:

Did some pre-planning dates with Facebook and Tinder before arriving.

Loutron: Nice selection, 400 k for the hour. Included massage, CBJ and CFS. More if using credit card. First time I went was just 1 session. Returned and had 3 sessions the 2nd time. I noticed the girls seemed to ignore me after I'the been there for a couple hours and large groups of guys were arriving, I had to ask the staff multiple times to see the presentation.

FB girls: Most of them not as pretty as photos, 200 k for the hour. Wasn't worth the time I put in setting up. Used Kuboz Suite motel in Laureles, cheap and safe area. Had one spinner from Tinder that I did repeat session, 300 k per hour.

Centro: Befriended a local taxi and hired him for 50 k per hour to drive / tour me through Centro. Bought a few joints by the church to enjoy while we did the loop around Veracruz. Average quality, a few hotties. 50 k for the ratito, 10 k the motel. At night we went to a nearby strip club, can't remember the name. Went the a VIP area with 2 girls and the taxista. Decided to try perrico and tusi, bad idea. Couldn't get it up and was tweaking out a bit. So we left and he showed me Black Diamond club in Lleras. Nice selection but I wasn't feeling good so we called it a night.

Returned another day, mostly average girls again.

Energy Spa: Average selection, a couple cuties. Did 2 sessions, 200 k for hour.

La Isla: First night I went with a group, about 350 k for the bottle to sit at a table. Slow night, the girls in dresses didn't seem they wanted to be there or to interact. Enjoyed the show and eventually called a girl over to chat. She quoted me 600 k for the hour in the adjacent motel. Agreed and left after that session.

I returned alone and ended up screwing up big time. Bought the bottle around 350 k to sit close to the stage, and proceeded to drink quickly as I was too sober, was a busy Friday night. Eventually call a dancer over and she again quotes me 600 k for her and the room for 1 hour, I pay and we go. Afterwards I'm on cloud 9 and go back to my table, finish my bottle and have the genius idea to order 6 beers. Somewhere along the way I blacked out, rest of the night is bits and pieces, don't want to remember LOL. 300 k disappeared from my wallet. I think security carried me out and laid me down to sleep on the wall outside. They told me to leave around 7 am and somehow I stumbled through the highway still blacked out and got a ride to Poblado. Felt like dogshit and couldn't do anything my last day there.

Lleras Park: Picked up a girl in the park, she insisted I bring her friend also. I say I don't like the friend, but she says the friend will just sit in the bathroom. Dumbass move but I agreed, so we leave to Kuboz Suite. Tried the tusi again, didn't like it again. End up fucking the friend too because I'm high and drunk. The friend starts talking whispers to her, can tell they're talking about drugging me but the other girl doesn't want to. Alarm bells going off so I decide to end soon after.

Ibiza Motel Lounge: Also went to this motel, very nice but a bit overpriced.

Overall things went okay, could've negotiated better and not done dumbass shit, but hey I'm a rookie.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2922342]I am happy you had a great time. But its not like flying 1st class or economy at all. The analogy would be you buying a raffle ticket. One ticket is first class and the other is economy. You pay for first class but you have to take you pick one ticket and you might end up with 1st class or economy.[/QUOTE]Like the brother that said he agreed to pay the girl of his dreams 1 million pesos and it was one of the worst sessions in his life. How much you agree to pay guarantees nothing. How can someone even think it does?

Hey all. Haven't posted for a while. I'm back in Medellin and was thinking about what I like about it so much vs other places. The most interesting thing and what I love about Medellin and the women is how grey line can be between pros and nonpros. Here's a list of prototypical Medellin dates from my experience. I've been with all of the types below except the first.

You message her she quotes a high price "por hora" in dollars (I avoid those ones like the plague).

You agree on a price she's in and out pretty fast everything is by the book any extras are negotiated. Condom is definitely involved unless otherwise negotiated.

You agree on a price she comes over, you hang for a while, probably two or three hours. She seems to be having fun. Sex is a bit more free flowing and spontaneous and she wants you to do specific things for her and wants to meet your likes. Condom may or may not be involved. There is a chance she'll start showing up for a regalito or no money even if she really had fun and you keep seeing her (happened to me a couple times).

You don't talk price at all. She shows up after you offer taxis and you go out on a fun date. You come back to your place have sex that is completely open and follows your shared tastes. Condom may or may not be involved. She asks if you'll give her a regalito afterwards and when you ask how much. She says "lo que tu quieres" or "lo que naces de su corazon". The safe bet is to give her 200 k.

You go out with a girl who seems enthusiastic to meet you. She shows up having paid her own taxi and you go on your date. She comes back with you and you have free flowing sex. Condom may or may not be involved. When she leaves she asks if you can help her with her bus passage for the next day (literally happened to me last night) or something small and specific like that. She also asks if you can bring her something from the US next time you come.

You go out with a girl who pays her taxi. She's super affectionate and on you the whole date. You have a good date and free flowing sex. 9 times out of 10 she fights you if you reach for a condom. Your room is clean without you even asking and she's asking what she can make you breakfast the next morning. She doesn't ask for any small favors or any money when she leaves. Of course being Colombian she's more than happy if you give her some money or gifts and probably expects it over the long term on some level if you keep seeing her.

[QUOTE=KebabOperator;2922228]........that old guy with a walking cane and 18 yo (I Hope) puta in tow. My friend get her number and tell her to come up to you in 10 minutes via text. You looked so out of place with her; every single cop was looking at you, and not in a good way. Did you even check her ID? SMH, some people are just asking for trouble..........[/QUOTE]Don't hate on the old dude with the young girl. There are old guys with young hot stunners all over the world. If you go to Thailand you'll catch a fit.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2922241]I want to pay a girl to twerk and grind on me but hopefully cheaper than sex. But in centro the prices are lower so I could rationalize paying sex price there for the service I want.[/QUOTE]Did you ask the Facebook girls? If you still want sex, I think the majority of them will do it for free as a prelude of sex or during sex.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922203]I swear if this forum wasnt already popular with thousands of users I'd think admin themselves are hiring people from upwork and other sites to write fake reports as a way to gain users. But it is not the case. T.

The most recent one posted yesterday also is 100% fake. One second dude's bragging about girls in centro for 50 k and "fine as fuck" and another min talking about spending big on seeking. Unless you can magically be in two places at a time that report is strange. Spending all day in centro as he said yet has time for so many Seeking dates lmao.

Also sharing user names and names easily. Who does that? First it'd be disrespectful to those girls to share their info like that from a private site, and wow it's also almost as if Seeking is advertising themselves and wrote the report. Or the girl / s themselves wrote it to gain customers from here lmao. Clearly translated and unnatural.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if this report was fake or not but there are a few Spanish forums (one is very well know in Medellin and shows up in reviews if you on mileroticos) where sharing like that is pretty normal. It didn't really set my alarm off as being fake.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2922433]The most interesting thing and what I love about Medellin and the women is how grey line can be between pros and nonpros.[/QUOTE]The line is not as grey as you make it out to be. Do not give them money. If they do not return, you will see how black the line really is. She was there for money. If they do return you will see how black the line really is as well. She was not there for money. Do not mistake type of service for a shading of lines. A guy that is not a monger is not going out with a woman and wondering if he should be giving her money at the end of the night. He is just going out with a woman and whatever happens, happens.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2922454]Did you ask the Facebook girls? If you still want sex, I think the majority of them will do it for free as a prelude of sex or during sex.[/QUOTE]Do you guys create a 2nd profile on FB just for the Medellin trip?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2922454]Did you ask the Facebook girls? If you still want sex, I think the majority of them will do it for free as a prelude of sex or during sex.[/QUOTE]The girls I usually get seem to get shy. They don't mind twerking on their stories but they are ahsmaed in person.

My friend, this is the most accurate assessment I have read on this site in ages. I feel seen! .

[QUOTE=Recondite;2922433]Hey all. Haven't posted for a while. I'm back in Medellin and was thinking about what I like about it so much vs other places. The most interesting thing and what I love about Medellin and the women is how grey line can be between pros and nonpros. Here's a list of prototypical Medellin dates from my experience. I've been with all of the types below except the first.

You message her she quotes a high price "por hora" in dollars (I avoid those ones like the plague).

You agree on a price she's in and out pretty fast everything is by the book any extras are negotiated. Condom is definitely involved unless otherwise negotiated.

You agree on a price she comes over, you hang for a while, probably two or three hours. She seems to be having fun. Sex is a bit more free flowing and spontaneous and she wants you to do specific things for her and wants to meet your likes. Condom may or may not be involved. There is a chance she'll start showing up for a regalito or no money even if she really had fun and you keep seeing her (happened to me a couple times).

You don't talk price at all. She shows up after you offer taxis and you go out on a fun date. You come back to your place have sex that is completely open and follows your shared tastes. Condom may or may not be involved. She asks if you'll give her a regalito afterwards and when you ask how much. She says "lo que tu quieres" or "lo que naces de su corazon". The safe bet is to give her 200 k.

You go out with a girl who seems enthusiastic to meet you. She shows up having paid her own taxi and you go on your date. She comes back with you and you have free flowing sex. Condom may or may not be involved. When she leaves she asks if you can help her with her bus passage for the next day (literally happened to me last night) or something small and specific like that. She also asks if you can bring her something from the US next time you come.

You go out with a girl who pays her taxi. She's super affectionate and on you the whole date. You have a good date and free flowing sex. 9 times out of 10 she fights you if you reach for a condom. Your room is clean without you even asking and she's asking what she can make you breakfast the next morning. She doesn't ask for any small favors or any money when she leaves. Of course being Colombian she's more than happy if you give her some money or gifts and probably expects it over the long term on some level if you keep seeing her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2922342]I am happy you had a great time. But its not like flying 1st class or economy at all. The analogy would be you buying a raffle ticket. One ticket is first class and the other is economy. You pay for first class but you have to take you pick one ticket and you might end up with 1st class or economy.[/QUOTE]Incorrect. When you fly first class, you are guaranteed things like priority boarding, more legroom or seats that turn into a bed, better food (sometimes, a la carte), real utensils not the plastic ones, better media / entertainment, etc. These are things you pay extra money for. Yeah, the food might not be up to your liking, or the aircraft might be older, or the ride might be bumpy due to turbulence, but in general, first class comfort is on a different level than economy. Once you start flying first class, for most people there is no turn back to economy if money is not issue, unless there is no first class option on the route you select.

With girls, it is always YMMV, but in general, the more expensive they are, the more perks mentioned before you get. I haven't had a shitty experience with an expensive girl. Maybe 2-3 mediocre experiences. But the rest were great and worth the money.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2922517]Incorrect. When you fly first class, you are guaranteed things like priority boarding, more legroom or seats that turn into a bed, better food (sometimes, a la carte), real utensils not the plastic ones, better media / entertainment, etc. These are things you pay extra money for. Yeah, the food might not be up to your liking, or the aircraft might be older, or the ride might be bumpy due to turbulence, but in general, first class comfort is on a different level than economy. Once you start flying first class, for most people there is no turn back to economy if money is not issue, unless there is no first class option on the route you select.

With girls, it is always YMMV, but in general, the more expensive they are, the more perks mentioned before you get. I haven't had a shitty experience with an expensive girl. Maybe 2-3 mediocre experiences. But the rest were great and worth the money.[/QUOTE]Since I started this debate, love to know how you go about finding some one on cheap if you want the followoing.

1) 9, 10 in looks.

2) English speaking.

3) Safe (She is not going to rob me, drug me, Fake ID etc).

4) I do not want to waste time (FB, SA Girls).

Now if you are upset that people from California is coming to Medellin and paying high prices its just supply and demand. For me its 20% of California and I got far better results then what I spoend in US, thus I am happy to pay.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2922517]Incorrect. When you fly first class, you are guaranteed things like priority boarding, more legroom or seats that turn into a bed, better food (sometimes, a la carte), real utensils not the plastic ones, better media / entertainment, etc. These are things you pay extra money for. Yeah, the food might not be up to your liking, or the aircraft might be older, or the ride might be bumpy due to turbulence, but in general, first class comfort is on a different level than economy. Once you start flying first class, for most people there is no turn back to economy if money is not issue, unless there is no first class option on the route you select.

With girls, it is always YMMV, but in general, the more expensive they are, the more perks mentioned before you get. I haven't had a shitty experience with an expensive girl. Maybe 2-3 mediocre experiences. But the rest were great and worth the money.[/QUOTE]I fly first class but hire premium economy chicas. First class chicas are great and all but I can have 90% of the fun / experience for half to 2/3 the cost in premium economy.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2922543]I fly first class but hire premium economy chicas. First class chicas are great and all but I can have 90% of the fun / experience for half to 2/3 the cost in premium economy.[/QUOTE]Fly First or Business Class when you can, but fuck Premium Class chicks. Leave economy alone altogether as often as you can! LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2922435]Don't hate on the old dude with the young girl. There are old guys with young hot stunners all over the world. If you go to Thailand you'll catch a fit.[/QUOTE]I agree as long as the girl age of majority. I use to frown upon old guys with young girls too but I'm getting up there myself soon. Hey, we would all like to be in that old fellow's situation when we get up there. Otherwise you can feel free to get stuck with some fat, short hair, bossy, wrinkled, western woman who is closer to your age when you get up there!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2922517]but in general, the more expensive they are, the more perks mentioned before you get[/QUOTE]How do you explain this? Do you consider CBJ a perk? Mention something that I don't get.

[QUOTE]Loutron: Nice selection, 400 k for the hour. Included massage, CBJ and CFS. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]and Loutron are the best options, 600 K for 45 min to an hour[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2922552]How do you explain this? Do you consider CBJ a perk? Mention something that I don't get.[/QUOTE]This is generally why I never go there. CBJ is standard and up charge is not really worth it.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2922552]How do you explain this? Do you consider CBJ a perk? Mention something that I don't get.[/QUOTE]Once you pay the base fee and get in the room, the women start to upcharge. Kiss on the lips, extra. Touching her pussy, extra. She touch your dick, extra. They get creative. Extra position than mish, extra $$.

Never was like that before. They talk among themselves and you get the $$ shaft. Basic fee is only they wrap the dick and you put it in their pussy an inch, more than that they charge extra. If you move it around, that's called the "helicopter", and they charge extra.

You dodged some bullets. A 300 K loss and bad headaches are lottery first prizes for what you got into.

[QUOTE=Mexica96;2922343]Was my rookie trip, first time mongering:

My spanish is decent.

Did some pre-planning dates with Facebook and Tinder before arriving.

Loutron: Nice selection, 400 k for the hour. Included massage, CBJ and CFS. More if using credit card. First time I went was just 1 session. Returned and had 3 sessions the 2nd time. I noticed the girls seemed to ignore me after I'the been there for a couple hours and large groups of guys were arriving, I had to ask the staff multiple times to see the presentation.

FB girls: Most of them not as pretty as photos, 200 k for the hour. Wasn't worth the time I put in setting up. Used Kuboz Suite motel in Laureles, cheap and safe area. Had one spinner from Tinder that I did repeat session, 300 k per hour.

Centro: Befriended a local taxi and hired him for 50 k per hour to drive / tour me through Centro. Bought a few joints by the church to enjoy while we did the loop around Veracruz. Average quality, a few hotties. 50 k for the ratito, 10 k the motel. At night we went to a nearby strip club, can't remember the name. Went the a VIP area with 2 girls and the taxista. Decided to try perrico and tusi, bad idea. Couldn't get it up and was tweaking out a bit. So we left and he showed me Black Diamond club in Lleras. Nice selection but I wasn't feeling good so we called it a night.

Returned another day, mostly average girls again.

Energy Spa: Average selection, a couple cuties. Did 2 sessions, 200 k for hour.

La Isla: First night I went with a group, about 350 k for the bottle to sit at a table. Slow night, the girls in dresses didn't seem they wanted to be there or to interact. Enjoyed the show and eventually called a girl over to chat. She quoted me 600 k for the hour in the adjacent motel. Agreed and left after that session.

I returned alone and ended up screwing up big time. Bought the bottle around 350 k to sit close to the stage, and proceeded to drink quickly as I was too sober, was a busy Friday night. Eventually call a dancer over and she again quotes me 600 k for her and the room for 1 hour, I pay and we go. Afterwards I'm on cloud 9 and go back to my table, finish my bottle and have the genius idea to order 6 beers. Somewhere along the way I blacked out, rest of the night is bits and pieces, don't want to remember LOL. 300 k disappeared from my wallet. I think security carried me out and laid me down to sleep on the wall outside. They told me to leave around 7 am and somehow I stumbled through the highway still blacked out and got a ride to Poblado. Felt like dogshit and couldn't do anything my last day there.

Lleras Park: Picked up a girl in the park, she insisted I bring her friend also. I say I don't like the friend, but she says the friend will just sit in the bathroom. Dumbass move but I agreed, so we leave to Kuboz Suite. Tried the tusi again, didn't like it again. End up fucking the friend too because I'm high and drunk. The friend starts talking whispers to her, can tell they're talking about drugging me but the other girl doesn't want to. Alarm bells going off so I decide to end soon after.

Ibiza Motel Lounge: Also went to this motel, very nice but a bit overpriced.

Overall things went okay, could've negotiated better and not done dumbass shit, but hey I'm a rookie with ADHD haha.[/QUOTE]

I've been with a girl on the reg for about a year and a half now. She use to charge me 400 k for 6 hours no condom. She's kinda chubby and pretty average but letting me take my time was pretty nice. Usually just pop three or so times while eating and watching tv or going out.

I told her I might be coming back in a month or two. She's asking for 1,200 for 6 hours now. She said prices for everything has gone up a lot. Is this in line with what everyone else is experiencing? Are these prices about right? Dropping 300 for the girl, and a bit more for the food and uber seems a bit much to me.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2922468]Do you guys create a 2nd profile on FB just for the Medellin trip?[/QUOTE]My profile is only for this purpose so the answer for me is yes.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2922543]I fly first class but hire premium economy chicas. First class chicas are great and all but I can have 90% of the fun / experience for half to 2/3 the cost in premium economy.[/QUOTE]Even economy has levels to it. You can fly Spirit economy, or Emirates economy. With Spirit girls, don't expect anything but crappy CBJ and CFS. Expect delays and rush service. And just as ugly as their uncomfortable seats. Emirates girls give BBBJ by default. Cost more, but provide better service.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2922552]How do you explain this? Do you consider CBJ a perk? Mention something that I don't get.[/QUOTE]Like Sang, I don't go to Loutron. Last time was there a year ago with my buddies, but didn't session. They both did though, and left quite happy. Let's be real, Loutron is probably the best and the most expensive casa in Mde. You pay premium for the best selection of girls. Compared to other casas, Loutron average girl is hotter than any other casa average girl. But since the price is fixed, you have an opportunity to find a chica that you won't find at any other brothel. 8 or 9/10. So you pay extra for that. You also pay extra for the convenient and safe location in Poblado (or close to Poblado, not sure what municipality it is located in). The rooms on site are more comfortable. The lady administrator speaks English. The girls also provide decent massage. You got to compare apples to apples. So if we compare casas, this is what you get for 400 k at Loutron.

I'm considering a trip to medellin from england. Are the majority of people coming here from the USA? Are any of you travelling from much further afield? Is travelling from the UK excessive and over the top or is it normal for guys here to travel from further afield maybe europe or middle east etc etc?

one last point ive spent 3-4 days familiarising myself with the medellin thread and ive got all the main points now clear and understood. should i study the bogota thread too as a firs time visitor to colombia or just stick to medellin. the main advantage of bogota is that there is a direct flight from london to bogota. i would not need to do a second flight from bogota to medellin even if it is a very short flight its still more travelling.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2922517]Incorrect. When you fly first class, you are guaranteed things like priority boarding, more legroom or seats that turn into a bed, better food (sometimes, a la carte), real utensils not the plastic ones, better media / entertainment, etc. These are things you pay extra money for.

With girls, the more expensive they are, the more perks mentioned before you get. I haven't had a shitty experience with an expensive girl. Maybe 2-3 mediocre experiences. But the rest were great and worth the money.[/QUOTE]I am not claiming there is no difference between 1st class and economy. I am saying that the analogy that Obj set up is not rational. You only thing gauranteed in paying an expensive girl is paying more money. Thats why it's a false analogy. But I am happy to hear you were happy with the service from your expensive 5,6 and 7's.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2922531]love to know how you go about finding some one on cheap if you want the followoing.

1) 9, 10 in looks.
2) English speaking.
3) Safe (She is not going to rob me, drug me, Fake ID etc).
4) I do not want to waste time (FB, SA Girls).
Now if you are upset that people from California is coming to Medellin and paying high prices its just supply and demand. For me its 20% of California and I got far better results then what I spoend in US, thus I am happy to pay.[/QUOTE]I for one am not upset you paid more money. Thats your choice to be part of the tourist market. All I am saying is that paying high prices doesn't gaurantee you anything (other than to pay more money).

1. By looking around. I don't use a number rating scale to judge girls, but I find plenty of girls to fuck in most places. One thing I have observed is the the girls that work in the upmarket places tend to be onsessed with their appearance, wear too much make up, have false parts and false personalities. Not really my type.

2. Not smthg I have looked for, even at the time I couldn't speak Esp. Not many Colombians speak English. Get over that, and your options will open up immensely.

3. Don't take girls back to your own place, or rent a room for fcking.

4. Explore places in person and choose on site.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2922599]I am not claiming there is no difference between 1st class and economy. I am saying that the analogy that Obj set up is not rational. You only thing gauranteed in paying an expensive girl is paying more money. Thats why it's a false analogy. But I am happy to hear you were happy with the service from your expensive 5,6 and 7's.[/QUOTE]I haven't done a girl below 7/10 in a very long time. And even if I was okay fucking 5's and 6's, why would I pay them a lot of money? Where is the logic here? You don't fly Spirit economy for the price of Delta first class and vice versa.

What is guaranteed when you pay up is sex with a hotter girl in a better, safer and more comfortable environment. What is not guaranteed is her great performance in bed, because of good old YMMV. If you want to minimize the risk of having a shitty session with a hot girl, you got to learn how to vet them, how to establish a good rapport, you got to looks presentable and have a good hygiene. If you are stinky obese douchbag, no girl would enjoy sex with you, no matter how much you pay her, this is so obvious I don't know why I have to explain this stuff. Pay up, be in good shape, show her a good time, and your chances of having a great GFE sex with a hot girl will increase exponentially.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2922612]I haven't done a girl below 7/10 in a very long time. And even if I was okay fucking 5's and 6's, why would I pay them a lot of money? Where is the logic here? You don't fly Spirit economy for the price of Delta first class and vice versa.

What is guaranteed when you pay up is sex with a hotter girl in a better, safer and more comfortable environment. What is not guaranteed is her great performance in bed, because of good old YMMV. If you want to minimize the risk of having a shitty session with a hot girl, you got to learn how to vet them, how to establish a good rapport, you got to looks presentable and have a good hygiene. If you are stinky obese douchbag, no girl would enjoy sex with you, no matter how much you pay her, this is so obvious I don't know why I have to explain this stuff. Pay up, be in good shape, show her a good time, and your chances of having a great GFE sex with a hot girl will increase exponentially.[/QUOTE]I am old and fat and can get women in Medellin. I don't need to pay more than 400 cop. If people don't like you paying extra money will get you nowhere. I have admire GPS women in Medellin they have the sense not give it away to some broke ass loser.

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;2922594]I'm considering a trip to medellin from england. Are the majority of people coming here from the USA? Are any of you travelling from much further afield? Is travelling from the UK excessive and over the top or is it normal for guys here to travel from further afield maybe europe or middle east etc etc?

one last point ive spent 3-4 days familiarising myself with the medellin thread and ive got all the main points now clear and understood. should i study the bogota thread too as a firs time visitor to colombia or just stick to medellin. the main advantage of bogota is that there is a direct flight from london to bogota. i would not need to do a second flight from bogota to medellin even if it is a very short flight its still more travelling.[/QUOTE]I think that your Great British pounds will get you a much better exchange rate than USD. You will be getting quite the bargain in Medellin.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2922531]Since I started this debate, love to know how you go about finding some one on cheap if you want the followoing.

1) 9, 10 in looks.

2) English speaking.

3) Safe (She is not going to rob me, drug me, Fake ID etc).

4) I do not want to waste time (FB, SA Girls).

Now if you are upset that people from California is coming to Medellin and paying high prices its just supply and demand. For me its 20% of California and I got far better results then what I spoend in US, thus I am happy to pay.[/QUOTE]You want a cheap date who meets your 4 conditions. You are dreamin pal, stay in Cal. , save your airfare. If she meets your qualifications, her price will be big!

Haha I enjoyed reading your post.

But those "rookie mistakes" is how someone ends up dead in Colombia, or get everything stolen and messed up. Nice cautionary tale. Could've been a really bad trip, so you lucked out.

[QUOTE=Mexica96;2922349]Was my rookie trip, first time mongering:

Did some pre-planning dates with Facebook and Tinder before arriving.

Loutron: Nice selection, 400 k for the hour. Included massage, CBJ and CFS. More if using credit card. First time I went was just 1 session. Returned and had 3 sessions the 2nd time. I noticed the girls seemed to ignore me after I'the been there for a couple hours and large groups of guys were arriving, I had to ask the staff multiple times to see the presentation.

FB girls: Most of them not as pretty as photos, 200 k for the hour. Wasn't worth the time I put in setting up. Used Kuboz Suite motel in Laureles, cheap and safe area. Had one spinner from Tinder that I did repeat session, 300 k per hour.

Centro: Befriended a local taxi and hired him for 50 k per hour to drive / tour me through Centro. Bought a few joints by the church to enjoy while we did the loop around Veracruz. Average quality, a few hotties. 50 k for the ratito, 10 k the motel. At night we went to a nearby strip club, can't remember the name. Went the a VIP area with 2 girls and the taxista. Decided to try perrico and tusi, bad idea. Couldn't get it up and was tweaking out a bit. So we left and he showed me Black Diamond club in Lleras. Nice selection but I wasn't feeling good so we called it a night.

Returned another day, mostly average girls again.

Energy Spa: Average selection, a couple cuties. Did 2 sessions, 200 k for hour.

La Isla: First night I went with a group, about 350 k for the bottle to sit at a table. Slow night, the girls in dresses didn't seem they wanted to be there or to interact. Enjoyed the show and eventually called a girl over to chat. She quoted me 600 k for the hour in the adjacent motel. Agreed and left after that session.

I returned alone and ended up screwing up big time. Bought the bottle around 350 k to sit close to the stage, and proceeded to drink quickly as I was too sober, was a busy Friday night. Eventually call a dancer over and she again quotes me 600 k for her and the room for 1 hour, I pay and we go. Afterwards I'm on cloud 9 and go back to my table, finish my bottle and have the genius idea to order 6 beers. Somewhere along the way I blacked out, rest of the night is bits and pieces, don't want to remember LOL. 300 k disappeared from my wallet. I think security carried me out and laid me down to sleep on the wall outside. They told me to leave around 7 am and somehow I stumbled through the highway still blacked out and got a ride to Poblado. Felt like dogshit and couldn't do anything my last day there.

Lleras Park: Picked up a girl in the park, she insisted I bring her friend also. I say I don't like the friend, but she says the friend will just sit in the bathroom. Dumbass move but I agreed, so we leave to Kuboz Suite. Tried the tusi again, didn't like it again. End up fucking the friend too because I'm high and drunk. The friend starts talking whispers to her, can tell they're talking about drugging me but the other girl doesn't want to. Alarm bells going off so I decide to end soon after.

Ibiza Motel Lounge: Also went to this motel, very nice but a bit overpriced.

Overall things went okay, could've negotiated better and not done dumbass shit, but hey I'm a rookie.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2922612]I haven't done a girl below 7/10 in a very long time. And even if I was okay fucking 5's and 6's, why would I pay them a lot of money? Where is the logic here?[/QUOTE]No logic. But then I don't expect any logic from you. And your history changes each time you relate it.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2922612]
What is guaranteed when you pay up is sex with a hotter girl in a better, safer and more comfortable environment. [/QUOTE]This is so typical of the nonsense you speak. Why would the price I pay the girl have any impact on the comfort of the environment? I would just be seeing her in my hotel room / apartment, just like I would if I paid less for a girl. Really, you invest so much in your fantasy world, that you cannot even so the glaring nonsense in your words.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2922612]
If you are stinky obese douchbag, no girl would enjoy sex with you, no matter how much you pay her.[/QUOTE]I am a stinky obese douchbag, but the girls enjoy sex with me, no matter how little I pay them. I think it's bcos I treat them like sentient human beings.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2922612]I haven't done a girl below 7/10 in a very long time. And even if I was okay fucking 5's and 6's, why would I pay them a lot of money? Where is the logic here? You don't fly Spirit economy for the price of Delta first class and vice versa.

What is guaranteed when you pay up is sex with a hotter girl in a better, safer and more comfortable environment. What is not guaranteed is her great performance in bed, because of good old YMMV. If you want to minimize the risk of having a shitty session with a hot girl, you got to learn how to vet them, how to establish a good rapport, you got to looks presentable and have a good hygiene. If you are stinky obese douchbag, no girl would enjoy sex with you, no matter how much you pay her, this is so obvious I don't know why I have to explain this stuff. Pay up, be in good shape, show her a good time, and your chances of having a great GFE sex with a hot girl will increase exponentially.[/QUOTE]I do my best not to address or reply to guys like you directly here but damn bro. No need for this type of comment. You're always make toxic statements. I mean, if you made sense, you'd get some credit but you're just writing a bunch of gibberish most of the time.

First of all, you DO NOT speak for women cause you're not one. And even if were secretly a woman troll, you still don't speak for every woman. Post a pic of your vg publicly if you disagree!

Secondly, women arent as superficial as men. Men see bodies and looks more than women do. Obvious youth and look matters. But it's clear that men pay for sex (wg or via a relationship) and women don't. Because beauty and its attraction matters to us more.

A man can be obese, old or ugly and find "real" love from women, bc a woman will love you for your charm, your personality, genuinely. A woman will fall in love with you for changing her tire if she was stranded, or just holding the door or buying her flowers, the list goes on. It's a matter of the heart. And no one, I mean no one on the planet should be dumb enough to try or dare to try to speak on this subject for all. It's not even arrogance, it's pure ignorance and I pity you.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2922612]

What is guaranteed when you pay up is sex with a hotter girl in a better, safer and more comfortable environment..[/QUOTE]Here is smthg I experienced to refute all that you say.

I am in Pattaya for the first time in 5 years. A few days ago I went down my fave strip in Pattaya Soi 6. To my horror I note that the girls are now charging THB 2000 short time, whereas just 5 years ago it was 8 or 900 THB. More than double the price.

Do you think the girls got hotter? No. They are exactly the same skanky girls that have always worked there.

Do you think the girls can now speak English? No. They all know the same 20 words of English each.

Do you think the rooms are nicer or the girls dress smarter? No. Rooms haven't been touched and the girsl all wear those cheap go-go outfits that you can buy for about THB 100 down the market.

The reason the prices went up is bcos the bar owners (now a capitalist oligarchy) got together and decided they could charge dumbass tourists like you double what they charged before.

So now Soi 6 is a no-go for me. I will focus on the other locations which the locals frequent and which charge fairer prices. No doubt you will start to consider Soi 6 "a hot place' bcos the prices are now high (therefore it must be hot).

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2922619]I have admire GPS women in Medellin they have the sense not give it away to some broke ass loser.[/QUOTE]I think you forgot a word. They have the sense not to give it away to some broke ass FOREIGN loser. Sure there are broke ass losers where they are from that they have given and are giving it away to. And what makes her God's gift that she should not be giving it away besides some losers that can not get pussy anywhere else that they must give her the price she asks? If she has nothing else going for herself, the options may just be sell this pussy or do not eat. Nothing spectacular or ultrasensible about that decision.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2922603]I for one am not upset you paid more money. Thats your choice to be part of the tourist market. All I am saying is that paying high prices doesn't gaurantee you anything (other than to pay more money).

1. By looking around. I don't use a number rating scale to judge girls, but I find plenty of girls to fuck in most places. One thing I have observed is the the girls that work in the upmarket places tend to be onsessed with their appearance, wear too much make up, have false parts and false personalities. Not really my type.

2. Not smthg I have looked for, even at the time I couldn't speak Esp. Not many Colombians speak English. Get over that, and your options will open up immensely.

3. Don't take girls back to your own place, or rent a room for fcking.

4. Explore places in person and choose on site.[/QUOTE]#1. That is a hit and miss: I do my research (See #4), I get the girl for an hour, and if things work out, I go for the 5 hour package (which usually ends up a whole day for the same price).

#2. I don't want to learn Spanish; The same goes for FKK clubs in Germany or Thailand. I don't want to spend time learning a language to find cheap pusy. Happy to pay more for someone who can speak some English.

#3. I do not want to have sex in a room with cum covered mattress when I am paying for a lovely suite at one of the best hotels in Medellin. I want a GF experience.

#4. There is a Spanish forum (Like Theeroticreview in US) with extensive reviews about the call girls in Colombia. Reading that is a better review than talking to a girl for 5 min at a strip bar.

I have been involved in startups all my life (I am 63), and nothing is guaranteed. You do your research, start a company, and try it out. Ninety percent of the startups I worked on went out of business, but then you hit IPO (Twice for me), and that was worth all the failures. Finding women is kind of like that.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2922633]You want a cheap date who meets your 4 conditions. You are dreamin pal, stay in Cal. , save your airfare. If she meets your qualifications, her price will be big![/QUOTE]That's the exact point I was trying to make. If you read the past 2 days of threads, you will see few are upset I spent $$$ to find a woman with those requirements.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922653] But it's clear that men pay for sex (wg or via a relationship) and women don't. Because beauty and its attraction matters to us more.[/QUOTE]Women don't pay for sex because they can easily and always find attractive enough guys who fuck them for free. It's the easiest thing in a world for a woman to find someone to have sex with, but not as easy to find someone to have a long term monogamous relationship with or someone that sticks around, so if she looks for that then the other considerations come in play.

And when they are old and unattractive then they do pay for sex -- women do sex tourism too (well, the ones that can afford it at least).

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;2922594]I'm considering a trip to medellin from england. Are the majority of people coming here from the USA? Are any of you travelling from much further afield? Is travelling from the UK excessive and over the top or is it normal for guys here to travel from further afield maybe europe or middle east etc etc?

one last point ive spent 3-4 days familiarising myself with the medellin thread and ive got all the main points now clear and understood. should i study the bogota thread too as a firs time visitor to colombia or just stick to medellin. the main advantage of bogota is that there is a direct flight from london to bogota. i would not need to do a second flight from bogota to medellin even if it is a very short flight its still more travelling.[/QUOTE]I think most visitors are from the US mainly due to the ease of travel.

I'll be making my 4th trip from England in September, the travel is absolutely worth it, I've come to quite enjoy it now.

I start & end my trips in Bogota & appreciate the difference with Medellin, even though I've only scraped the surface in Santa Fe.

Medellin is where I spend the bulk of my time, the short flight from Bogota is no inconvenience whatsoever.

You should take some time to get to know Bogota a little too.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922653]First of all, you DO NOT speak for women cause you're not one.

Secondly, women arent as superficial as men. Men see bodies and looks more than women do. Obvious youth and look matters. But it's clear that men pay for sex (wg or via a relationship) and women don't. Because beauty and its attraction matters to us more.

A man can be obese, old or ugly and find "real" love from women, bc a woman will love you for your charm, your personality, genuinely. A woman will fall in love with you for changing her tire if she was stranded[/QUOTE]I have to agree with you, but with a caveat. What you are saying works with women that are not hookers. Never heard a woman that was not a hooker list the things she is looking for as he says is what will make a hooker do a good job. It is always a bunch of abstract stuff, nothing about being in shape or smelling good. Maybe what he says are things that hookers are looking for in tricks? It seems asinine though because you are the customer trying to impress someone you are paying. He says pay up. Then after that you have to impress her with how you look and a good time. Huh? If my plumber came over here, I would not have to give him over and above the usual amount for plumbers, have an ice cold beer waiting for him, neatly lay out all his tools, and make sure he has a soft cushion to kneel on, all in order to expect him to do a good job.

Then you have to figure these chicks are doing this shit day in and day out. After a while, if you have seen one guy in shape, and one guy smelling good, and one guy showing you a good time, then you have seen them all. You are showing her nothing new. Like the guy that was talking about getting an expensive hotel room so the hookers could be comfortable. Mf she has probably already been there so many times that her and the staff call each other by name. You are in fact casting your pearls among swine. Now for a chick that is not a hooker amd does not go out with a bunch of men, this type of treatment will get you somewhere. But with tricks doing this shit day in and day out for a hooker in addition to paying her, it has surely become mundane and is bringing nothing special out of her the way he wants to think it is.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2922659]Here is smthg I experienced to refute all that you say.

I am in Pattaya for the first time in 5 years. A few days ago I went down my fave strip in Pattaya Soi 6. To my horror I note that the girls are now charging THB 2000 short time, whereas just 5 years ago it was 8 or 900 THB. More than double the price.

Do you think the girls got hotter? No. They are exactly the same skanky girls that have always worked there.

Do you think the girls can now speak English? No. They all know the same 20 words of English each.

Do you think the rooms are nicer or the girls dress smarter? No. Rooms haven't been touched and the girsl all wear those cheap go-go outfits that you can buy for about THB 100 down the market.

The reason the prices went up is bcos the bar owners (now a capitalist oligarchy) got together and decided they could charge dumbass tourists like you double what they charged before.

So now Soi 6 is a no-go for me. I will focus on the other locations which the locals frequent and which charge fairer prices. No doubt you will start to consider Soi 6 "a hot place' bcos the prices are now high (therefore it must be hot).[/QUOTE]To refute all that I said? This has nothing to do with what I said. You are talking about hoeflation that exists everywhere in the world, along with inflation. Cheap girls become more expensive. Expensive girls become even more expensive. New Life used to be 55 mil /1 HR. Now it is like 115 mil / HR. More than 100% up, despite the fact that the majority of clients are locals. Same location, same girls, same cum covered mattress, just like in your example. So what? You completely miss my point. If there was a place next door to new life, with exactly the same lineup in terms of looks, same rooms and everything, but half the price, it would make zero sense to go to new life and pay double (what for? But for some people, it makes sense to go to Loutron and pay almost 4 x the new life rate because of all the things I mentioned in response to Nounce's post. But you, cheapskate, will never understand that there are levels to everything we have in life and you get what you pay for. Good luck with fucking cheap street uglies in Thailand.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2922650]

I am a stinky obese douchbag, but the girls enjoy sex with me, no matter how little I pay them. I think it's bcos I treat them like sentient human beings.[/QUOTE]Only in your wet dreams.

If you can't take care of your own body, you have no self respect. And if you don't respect yourself, how can you respect others? No need to reply, it is a rhetorical question.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2922719]Women don't pay for sex because they can easily and always find attractive enough guys who fuck them for free. It's the easiest thing in a world for a woman to find someone to have sex with, but not as easy to find someone to have a long term monogamous relationship with or someone that sticks around, so if she looks for that then the other considerations come in play.

And when they are old and unattractive then they do pay for sex -- women do sex tourism too (well, the ones that can afford it at least).[/QUOTE]BS, it's a very small amt of women in sex tourism. You're speaking from a man's pov, not a woman cause you don't know shit about women. Obviously.

Most readers arent going to be surprised reading these nonsense posts; why?

Mongering forums are 80% of losers, men who never had real relationships and never had real women; have been deprived of the finer things in life. Could be due to mental defects (like Miamiboy and the likes of u) or body / look or lack of personality / charisma. Yes charisma / personality among other things are some of the traits women seek as well.

The other 20% are divorced men or men with extra money and extra sex drives that travel for leisure and fun and can still have normal relationships. Like celebrities do.

I'm losing brain cells to even have to mention this. If your point was valid then why do most local women from every country only date their local men? Including the fat, old, and ugly ones? We see them everyday so I don't have to speak on women's behalf. We see it all over the world. As for prostitutes, they'll gladly take your money and go back to their fat and old local boyfriends. Also men from countries with a bit more money travel bc of restrictions and feminists attitudes, bad politics that fucked up our system. It's a huge part of why we do what we do.

So don't be an arrogant prick trying to understand women. You never will. This is no different than feminist dikes who write articles about men pretending they have a dick and know us. It's why they say men are from mars and women from venus. We have a need to please our dicks, have multiple women, and only way we can stay loyal with only one is if we make a sacrifice. For women, according to them and what we see in everyday life, it's easy. Bc women have their hearts in their vg. Like we can cheat on our wives and still go home and kiss her with zero guilts, whereas if she cheats it's purely because she loves the other guy better and planning to leave you (speaking of normal women, not hos). This is bc if she gives it up it's like giving her heart. But for us, sex is just sport, hence why we pay easily for it without negotiating. If men all over start restricting their dicks like fine women do then that would level the playing field. But unfortunately there are things we cannot fake due to our dna and who we are.

Dude, I'm still young, fit, good looking, and still pull even teenagers back home and anywhere, and they themselves hit on me. I only say this to show I'm not arguing on behalf of fat and old. I'm simply saying your attitude is just dumb as hell.

I know exactly 100% why Miamiboy and you have this attitude, thinking you're better and getting more quality pussy than your fellow mongers. When I started mongering, I noticed most guys doing this were older, unattractive, overweight, hence the 80% majority of losers from my prev point. But I never let that get to my head. I often have girls come to me begging me to chose them, and they'd whisper shit like please pick me, I don't want granpa over there to take me LOL. So yeah, working girls do that. At times they may fake that shit blowing up your ego so they get picked, or it could be true that they'd enjoy their session more with a younger fella than an old fart.

I keep my attitude in check bc I say to myself that we all get old, and I'm going to get there soon. This is for wg bc there are no relationships or emotions involved for the most part.

As far as normal women, who value a good man whether due to fact he cares for her and her family financially, has a great personality, etc, that love often will be genuine and look is the least important factor.

Do me a favor, sit down, trying bending over really hard and give yourselves a blowjob since you love yourselves so fucking much. Dumb mfrs. LMAO.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2922675]I think you forgot a word. They have the sense not to give it away to some broke ass FOREIGN loser. Sure there are broke ass losers where they are from that they have given and are giving it away to. And what makes her God's gift that she should not be giving it away besides some losers that can not get pussy anywhere else that they must give her the price she asks? If she has nothing else going for herself, the options may just be sell this pussy or do not eat. Nothing spectacular or ultrasensible about that decision.[/QUOTE]End of discussion!! We don't always agree Mr E. But well said!

Women all over the world prefer their local men, at least by default even as we invade with money, not all of them care. We see them everyday, dimes walking around with locals incl fat and old men. These fools here are delusional just cause they're younger and not obese. Yet they're here in this forum, paying for pussy, and somehow they believe they're blue chip stock for these wgs lmao.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2922468]Do you guys create a 2nd profile on FB just for the Medellin trip?[/QUOTE]Some of them do, I personally was going to make another FB account but at the end I said F*ck it, I'm 50 and single, the hell with relatives and what they think.

[QUOTE=OldParr;2922268]I know this guy for years, and do consider him a friend but believe 25 percent of what he says, as he has a habit of really exaggerating things. Just being honest with you all![/QUOTE]I have no idea who you are, and I am 100% sure you don't know me. Why even claim something like this? Smh.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922653]I do my best not to address or reply to guys like you directly here but damn bro. No need for this type of comment. You're always make toxic statements. I mean, if you made sense, you'd get some credit but you're just writing a bunch of gibberish most of the time.

First of all, you DO NOT speak for women cause you're not one. And even if were secretly a woman troll, you still don't speak for every woman. Post a pic of your vg publicly if you disagree!

Secondly, women arent as superficial as men. Men see bodies and looks more than women do. Obvious youth and look matters. But it's clear that men pay for sex (wg or via a relationship) and women don't. Because beauty and its attraction matters to us more.

A man can be obese, old or ugly and find "real" love from women, bc a woman will love you for your charm, your personality, genuinely. A woman will fall in love with you for changing her tire if she was stranded, or just holding the door or buying her flowers, the list goes on. It's a matter of the heart. And no one, I mean no one on the planet should be dumb enough to try or dare to try to speak on this subject for all. It's not even arrogance, it's pure ignorance and I pity you.[/QUOTE]If you see no correlation between being in good shape, establishing a rapport (personality helps, duh! Showing her a good time, etc. And having a great time in bed, I feel sorry for you. What I said totally makes sense, apparently not for you, because you live in the parallel universe where women fall in love with some old obese douchebag who helped her change the tire jajaja.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2922691]

#2. I don't want to learn Spanish; The same goes for FKK clubs in Germany or Thailand. I don't want to spend time learning a language to find cheap pusy. Happy to pay more for someone who can speak some English.
[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say the primary purpose of learning a language is to find cheap pussy. I agree, that would be a waste of time. Rather, it is to enrish one's life experience thru understanding.

I am curious about this claim that you pay more for Eng language. I can see theoretically how an SW agency, for example, might highlight language ability of their grils, or even include a search filter, but really, do they charge extra? Does that mean I get a discount if I ask her only to speak Esp? What about non-Eng speakers, do they get a discount? Seems a rather absurd idea. Why don't you try the English speaking states / nations?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2922755]To refute all that I said? This has nothing to do with what I said. You are talking about hoeflation that exists everywhere in the world, along with inflation. [/QUOTE]Sorry, it is you that is missing the point, yet again. This is not hoeflation, rather it is the establishment of 2-tier pricing. One for the tourist and one for locals, but with clear evidence that the girls are just the same. One can find the same quality chicks at half the price via a 5-min motorbike ride and a bit of local / prior knowledge. Exactly the same as in MDE.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2922755]But for some people, it makes sense to go to Loutron and pay almost 4 x the new life rate because of all the things I mentioned in response to Nounce's post. But you, cheapskate, will never understand that there are levels to everything we have in life and you get what you pay for. Good luck with fucking cheap street uglies in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Yes, to soothe their egos and bcos they do not know nor care about any thing else.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2922755]But you will never understand that there are levels to everything we have in life and you get what you pay for. Good luck with fucking cheap street uglies in Thailand.[/QUOTE]The only clearly defined levels here are the price and your cognitive dissonance. My "cheap street uglies" are the same girls that are twice the price 5 minutes away.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922777] You're speaking from a man's pov, not a woman cause you don't know shit about women. Obviously.
[/QUOTE]This is the best post I remember reading from you. Well said.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2922852]I wouldn't say the primary purpose of learning a language is to find cheap pussy. I agree, that would be a waste of time. Rather, it is to enrish one's life experience thru understanding.

I am curious about this claim that you pay more for Eng language. I can see theoretically how an SW agency, for example, might highlight language ability of their grils, or even include a search filter, but really, do they charge extra? Does that mean I get a discount if I ask her only to speak Esp? What about non-Eng speakers, do they get a discount? Seems a rather absurd idea. Why don't you try the English speaking states / nations?[/QUOTE]Learning a new language when you are older is very hard; I have zero interest in learning a language other than knowing 50-100 words + Google Translate.

[URL]https://lacelestina.co/[/URL] has information on each girl's language ability on the website. You will not find native English speakers, but most girls are very good.

As for sticking to English-speaking states / nations, Medellin cost one-fifth of what it cost me back in the US. The Philippines is another place, but I will not sit on a plane for 24 to 36 hours.

I am already planning my next trip. Yes, I will pay for convenience and quality, which will increase your mongering cost, but I do not care as I am saving money, and that's all that matters.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2922847]If you see no correlation between being in good shape, establishing a rapport (personality helps, duh! Showing her a good time, etc. And having a great time in bed, I feel sorry for you. What I said totally makes sense, apparently not for you, because you live in the parallel universe where women fall in love with some old obese douchebag who helped her change the tire jajaja.[/QUOTE]Yes the correlation exists for looks but so does personality and charm just as much.

Oh, there's a name for it, something that should end this debate and it's called "Love".

Love has no conditions. Meaning real love has nothing to do with looks, money, etc when it's genuine. If you haven't experienced it, at least try reading a book or observe others. Get your head out of your arse for 1 min.

Your logic and argument is totally flawed. Because if good look is mandatory for true love then it's a condition. And everyone on the planet including all philosophies, social studies, religious studies are wrong except you.

At this point I'm going to consider you as a mentality disabled child, or a woman troll pretending, bringing up the same toxic argument every couple months. Either that or you have an extreme case of low self esteem that triggers you to seek approval over and over in a monger forum. Yikes.

I have been reading this forum for years and finally visiting Bogota and Medellin for first time. My plan is to be in Medellin from July 2 till July 15.

So far I have booked a visitor friendly Airbnb walking distance from parque llieras (calle 10 carrera 42 area close to Manila). I thought that would be good location every evening to meet girls and bring them to Airbnb.

But as I have built up contacts of almost 60 Facebook girls on WhatsApp, I am wondering if should be at San Peter Apartments on higher floor at Laureles instead. Either way those girls have to reach those Airbnb from their home location.

I don't drink or smoke or do drugs, and vegetarian. So I thought laureles may have better restaurant, grocery and environment for me. Would Manila which is walkable from Parque llieras Airbnb offer similar good options?

Airbnb at parque llieras is at just 1st level without much view. I see many girls post their pictures from tall buildings with Medellin skyline view. May be girls like to be in such tall buildings compared to first level parque llieras Airbnb?

Any thoughts? I am also considering splitting stay with 1 week at Parque llieras and 1 week at Laureles San Peter Apartments.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2922847]If you see no correlation between being in good shape, establishing a rapport (personality helps, duh! Showing her a good time, etc. And having a great time in bed, I feel sorry for you. What I said totally makes sense, [/QUOTE]The correlation I see is that you gave her a significant amount of money. Arrive with all the good shape and rapport and good time with her knowing you are not giving her money, then come back and talk about the great time you had in bed.

If I hire a housekeeper I am not assuming she cleans my house very good because the house looks nice and it is very comfortable. I know she ain't cleaning shit if I am not paying her. At the end of the day you are hiring someone. You are blowing your head up to believe they are doing a good job due to factors other than the money.

I fucking get it though. Because when I started mongering I was kind of the same way. My first couple of times to Help Disco in Rio I wore a suit and gator shoes. I used to be drinking and dancing with the chicks having a good old time. Man I had some of the best times of my life. Then I stopped with the suits and would just go stand in front of the club with shorts, tank top, and flip flops on and get chicks as they were going in. Man I still had some of the best times of my life. There was zero difference in the experience in bed with the chicks. And I was still just giving them 100 reais ($25) for all night.

Same thing in Thailand. Me and my wingman had been hanging out all day. It comes time to go to the club and I say let's go back to the hotel to get ready. My wingman said man I am not about to dress up for no hoes. So we go to the club with the same shorts, tank top, and flip flops. That we had been wearing all day sweating in the hot sun. Same result. Loads of fun and took a chick all night for the same $30 that I still give them to this day.

So I am able to speak from both sides of the coin. Either I am able to have a good time in and out of bed with hookers becuase of the money and / or my personality. But I can tell you for a fact that results are not coming because I am dressing up or wining and dining them or call myself building some type of rapport. I have done it both ways and gotten the same results. Frankly, I do not know how you can claim it to be correlated if you have only done it one way.

[QUOTE=HKGuy;2922945] Any thoughts? I am also considering splitting stay with 1 week at Parque llieras and 1 week at Laureles San Peter Apartments.[/QUOTE]You have the right idea. Those pictures are more likely from places like Energy Living than from San Peter because SP only has window and does not have a balcony.

[QUOTE=Jim0129;2922838]I personally was going to make another FB account but at the end I said F*ck it, I'm 50 and single, the hell with relatives and what they think.[/QUOTE]Relatives do not fucking care what you are doing. They have their own lives to worry about. Joe Biden's son is out fucking hookers AND smoking crack. So what. He is a grown ass man. Are the hookers on facebook worried about what their relatives will think?

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2922868]I have zero interest in learning a language other than knowing 50-100 words + Google Translate.[/QUOTE]I'd advise newbies not to take that same approach. Imagine being dropped in the middle of a place where you have no idea what is being said to you or about you and having to rely on pulling out your cell phone to use Google Translate to make sense of it all.

Congrats, you've just made yourself the biggest mark in town. Half of the horror stories we hear about here are guys intentionally setting themselves up for failure; all in the name of cheap pussy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2922963]Relatives do not fucking care what you are doing. They have their own lives to worry about. Joe Biden's son is out fucking hookers AND smoking crack. So what. He is a grown ass man. Are the hookers on facebook worried about what their relatives will think?[/QUOTE]You'd be amazed at the influence of family in some of these countries. I was conducting an interview once, and it was clear that the people before me were a couple. The guy steps forward and I interview him for what he was there for and done. And so the young lady now comes forward and sits down, and I ask her if she is with the guy. She says no, and I immediately call her out on her bullshit. "Come on, it's obvious you're together! Why are you lying about that"? She said, "Well, my family wouldn't understand". I replied, "Am I your family? Stop with the lying about something so simple and obvious as this". So here was this 20-something year-old female obviously hooked up with this guy out of marriage, and she's lying to me because of what her family might think about the relationship. Moral of the story is the the influence of family and what they think about what you are doing can be really, really [B]strong[/B] in some of these countries around the world, including much stronger than in the States. And in this case, leading somebody to lie about shit when there was no for her to do that.

[QUOTE=HKGuy;2922945]I have been reading this forum for years and finally visiting Bogota and Medellin for first time. My plan is to be in Medellin from July 2 till July 15.

So far I have booked a visitor friendly Airbnb walking distance from parque llieras (calle 10 carrera 42 area close to Manila). I thought that would be good location every evening to meet girls and bring them to Airbnb.

But as I have built up contacts of almost 60 Facebook girls on WhatsApp, I am wondering if should be at San Peter Apartments on higher floor at Laureles instead. Either way those girls have to reach those Airbnb from their home location.

I don't drink or smoke or do drugs, and vegetarian. So I thought laureles may have better restaurant, grocery and environment for me. Would Manila which is walkable from Parque llieras Airbnb offer similar good options?

Airbnb at parque llieras is at just 1st level without much view. I see many girls post their pictures from tall buildings with Medellin skyline view. May be girls like to be in such tall buildings compared to first level parque llieras Airbnb?

Any thoughts? I am also considering splitting stay with 1 week at Parque llieras and 1 week at Laureles San Peter Apartments.[/QUOTE]Sure, the girls enjoy the luxury places, but they are there for the money. If anything the more luxurious the more they might demand a higher price. If they think you are ultra rich their bottom line price may be higher. Who knows. But any of the places you might stay are fine with them. Your safety and security is a bigger factor in my opinion. Get a place that screens the girls and if you pay them that is what they want.

[QUOTE=Jim0129;2922838]Some of them do, I personally was going to make another FB account but at the end I said F*ck it, I'm 50 and single, the hell with relatives and what they think.[/QUOTE]Are you sure you want Colombian chicas and chicos pretending to be chicas to know your real name, place of living, employment, family etc?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2922963]Are the hookers on facebook worried about what their relatives will think?[/QUOTE]Most of them are. That's why they have multiple accounts with different names and in most cases the FB profile name is different from the name on cedula. And that's the reason why you see some FB chicas using arabic, hindi etc in their names

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2922847]If you see no correlation between being in good shape, establishing a rapport (personality helps, duh! Showing her a good time, etc. And having a great time in bed, I feel sorry for you. What I said totally makes sense, apparently not for you, because you live in the parallel universe where women fall in love with some old obese douchebag who helped her change the tire jajaja.[/QUOTE]The clothes don't make the man. But if you're obese you're not going to make the clothes look good either so how could you ever make a woman look good. And being obese is within your control while your looks height is not.

So if a man doesn't care enough to take care of himself why should he expect a woman to reciprocate.

There's a reason strip clubs and night clubs and high end restaurants have dress codes.

If you go to the top clubs in Colombia going in shorts and a tank will def will hinder your experience.

If you go into Encore over at the Wynn in Vegas in shorts and a tank you will be considered as VIP since anyone who knows anything knows they would never allow that unless you got a lot of money.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922777]BS, it's a very small amt of women in sex tourism. [/QUOTE]Didn't say it was a big amount but that it happens, it is quite common knowledge in Europe on why older local women vacation in Africa.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922777]You're speaking from a man's pov, not a woman cause you don't know shit about women. Obviously. [/QUOTE]Thank you for enlightening me, you on the other hand are speaking from a women's point of view because you are a woman, is that it?

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922777]I'm losing brain cells... [/QUOTE]That's evident.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922777]If your point was valid then why do most local women from every country only date their local men? [/QUOTE]I was talking about sex not dating, but they date whoever is available that meets their criteria / needs, criteria which are different if they are looking for long term partner vs a lover to have some fun with (how long do those dating-relationships usually last anyway?) Who else are they supposed to be dating -- local men are the majority in every country and not every woman can get the 'best man' that she wishes for, so they make compromises and settle (wasn't there some tinder statistic that women like 5% of men and men like 60%?

Western society have 'advanced' in last decades and now scores of western women don't have to settle -- due to salaries they can earn, state support, dating apps, contraceptives / abortion (pregnancy risk-free sex, something quite new evolutionary speaking) -- hence the 'relationship crisis' in the west.

And I never said the looks are the main consideration for women since I don't think that's true, unless they are looking for a short time lover or a baby daddy, while already having a loyal guy lined up that will help raise it (paternity fraud varies a lot depending on country, between 0. 8% and 30% , median being 3. 7%.

Let's have a thought experiment, life is obviously more complex than that but -- all things being equal -- you have two exact men in all aspects except one is better looking, who would the woman choose if she could choose both?

I seem to recall some studies done with infants where they do stare longer at attractive faces. Adults can make other considerations but the fact remains that looks aren't completely irrelevant, it's something hardwired and a mechanism used to quickly / instinctually judge reproductive health, among other things, and often not something anyone is consciously aware of while making choices.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922777]whereas if she cheats it's purely because she loves the other guy better and planning to leave you (speaking of normal women, not hos). This is bc if she gives it up it's like giving her heart. [/QUOTE]Huh say what? You seem to hold a lot for romantic ideas about women and love. Women give it up all the time on a whim to guys they are not planning to have LT monogamous relationship with (present company included). Their 'heart' is a fluid and unstable thing. That being said women are generally way less promiscuous than men, due to different biological imperative, but the point still stands, it's easy for women to find someone to have sex with and a below 30 yo women incels are rare, they don't pay because they don't need to pay for something they can get easily for free (again, the minority of sex-tourists excluded).

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922777]I know exactly 100%... [/QUOTE]Uh, you don't know shit but presume a lot. I personally disagree with 98% of Miamiboy's posts so don't put me in the same bag.

I don't think I'm better and don't give a flying fuck about who someone else is fucking or dating, the number ratings and the "my hoe is better than your ho therefore I am better" BS.

I don't date WGs or pay girls to spend time with me (though some like to hang out), I pay for no-dating-required sex, the whole damn point of paying is that I don't have to spend time on dating, developing and maintaining relationships while still being able to fuck many different girls. It wouldn't be feasible to date so many different girls for these purposes and still have time for other things. Life is short. Dating and time investment in relationship is reserved for normal (non WG) girls. That being said, some of WGs are quite sweet, personable and like to hang out and / or talk and are fun to be around, and we have quite good 'working relationship' and sometimes just a friendship after we're no longer fucking.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922777]Do me a favor, sit down, trying bending over really hard and give yourselves a blowjob since you love yourselves so fucking much. Dumb mfrs. LMAO. [/QUOTE]You like to imagine men sucking dicks, do you? Good for you, no judgement.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2922777]......... I often have girls come to me begging me to chose them, and they'd whisper shit like please pick me, I don't want granpa over there to take me LOL..... .[/QUOTE]LOL its a sales pitch. That same girl will go to the grandpa and say 'Please pick me, I like older men'. Who has the money and inclination gets laid and the girl wins.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2923010]LOL its a sales pitch. That same girl will go to the grandpa and say 'Please pick me, I like older men'. Who has the money and inclination gets laid and the girl wins.[/QUOTE]Of course!! When I was new to the game it sounded good, then quickly I realized it's all BS. Thing is I make friends quickly and always chat with other fellas in waiting rooms or bars, and at times they'd have the same girl saying the opposite. Incl telling you I love your blue eyes, then run to another oh I prefer morenos LOL.

I guess part of mongering is a fantasy, a huge part. In this sense let the noobs dream that it's not all about money and it's their abs LOL. Or let them pay more fantasizing she'll suck it harder lmao.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2922868]Learning a new language when you are older is very hard; I have zero interest in learning a language other than knowing 50-100 words + Google Translate.
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[QUOTE=SavePros321;2922973]I'd advise newbies not to take that same approach. Imagine being dropped in the middle of a place where you have no idea what is being said to you or about you and having to rely on pulling out your cell phone to use Google Translate to make sense of it all.

Congrats, you've just made yourself the biggest mark in town. Half of the horror stories we hear about here are guys intentionally setting themselves up for failure; all in the name of cheap pussy.[/QUOTE]I absolutely agree with you SavePros321. Laziness has its costs. Many guys think they can come to Medellin and enjoy all there is and it will be cheap and with Google translate everything will be groovy. People do it all the time. But speaking Spanish at a respectable level has benefits, big benefits. If you only want to go to casas and bang hookers, I get the lazy attitude. But if you speak Spanish, you can talk to women and make dates. You pull out your Google translate and you aren't getting very many dates.

I keep telling guys all the time that Latin America is different. Women don't have the same attitude that you are used to in the US. Girls going out with older men is not a big deal. Most men their age don't make enough money to go out to a medium or higher-end restaurant. That is an invitation they don't get often. You don't have to be Brad Pitt. If you aren't obese and don't have warts on your nose and don't dress like a complete slob the dating pool is bountiful but you can't get there without speaking the language.

As you pointed out. You simply cannot be pulling your phone out to operate Google translate in the middle of some barrios. You don't want to make yourself stick out more than you already do. Of course to be fair, I've lived here for several years and that is a different dynamic.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2922958]The correlation I see is that you gave her a significant amount of money. Arrive with all the good shape and rapport and good time with her knowing you are not giving her money, then come back and talk about the great time you had in bed.

If I hire a housekeeper I am not assuming she cleans my house very good because the house looks nice and it is very comfortable. I know she ain't cleaning shit if I am not paying her. At the end of the day you are hiring someone. You are blowing your head up to believe they are doing a good job due to factors other than the money.

I fucking get it though. Because when I started mongering I was kind of the same way. My first couple of times to Help Disco in Rio I wore a suit and gator shoes. I used to be drinking and dancing with the chicks having a good old time. Man I had some of the best times of my life. Then I stopped with the suits and would just go stand in front of the club with shorts, tank top, and flip flops on and get chicks as they were going in. Man I still had some of the best times of my life. There was zero difference in the experience in bed with the chicks. And I was still just giving them 100 reais ($25) for all night.

Same thing in Thailand. Me and my wingman had been hanging out all day. It comes time to go to the club and I say let's go back to the hotel to get ready. My wingman said man I am not about to dress up for no hoes. So we go to the club with the same shorts, tank top, and flip flops. That we had been wearing all day sweating in the hot sun. Same result. Loads of fun and took a chick all night for the same $30 that I still give them to this day.

So I am able to speak from both sides of the coin. Either I am able to have a good time in and out of bed with hookers becuase of the money and / or my personality. But I can tell you for a fact that results are not coming because I am dressing up or wining and dining them or call myself building some type of rapport. I have done it both ways and gotten the same results. Frankly, I do not know how you can claim it to be correlated if you have only done it one way.[/QUOTE]You focus too much on the hardened high volume pros who don't appreciate wining and dining or building a rapport. You are just another client they want to be done with as a soon as possible, so that they can go back to Lleras or Centro streets to get another customer and earn a buck. With these women, I don't expect to have a time of my life, I just want a quick pop and move on. Why would I dine and wine a street hooker or build a rapport with her, or show her a good time, knowing she doesn't care of any of this shit? And neither do I, because I know what to expect and investing more money or time makes zero sense. Heck, I won't remember her name 5 minutes after the session. Seriously, how many quick sessions with the pros, where I didn't wine and dine them or get to know them, do I remember? Barely any. Almost none of them are memorable. The best times of my life I had with the girls who appreciated all the things we are talking about. Yeah, everyone wants money, but not everyone is desperate and for some women having a good time with a person they vibe is equally important. Key is to find this kind of woman and ditch all the pros. So, I'm speaking from both sides of the coin.

It appeals to my warped sense of humor that guys are on this site where we all use aliases and likely also use false names on facebook accounts for the purposes of pulling chicas are questioning whether girls would do the same or be concerned about what people who don't know about their extra curriculars would think. LOL.

[QUOTE=VsebudetNY;2922990]Most of them are. That's why they have multiple accounts with different names and in most cases the FB profile name is different from the name on cedula. And that's the reason why you see some FB chicas using arabic, hindi etc in their names[/QUOTE]

For a long while, the girls looked pretty similar to their photos online, most looked better. After the pandemic, shit changed. Most of the girls are using filters and I have been duped numerous times. The fatties and darkies are altering their images to look white and thin. One of the girls was fat and not pretty, with lip filler. She was too quick to accept my office and come over. When she arrived, I was shocked. Later I found out that the ***** was on her period. I stop and told her to leave. She wanted 200 k and I argued with her back and forth but it was not worth it. She was doing this scam for a bit and being from a super poor family, she would do anything for the money.

Another girl was super cute and fit on the photos but when she came, her body was thin and had a jiggling tone to it. Had 2 kids and was drinking with she could so her muscle tone sucked and she was not pretty. She was OK with BB but I just did CIM and let her leave. Paid in full. She contacted 5 more times over the next several months but I never returned her messages.

There are another 3-5 girls that I can talk about but the main point is to video call them! This way you see them and make sure it's not a man pretending to be a girl and so forth. Have her be in a very well let area and check her out. If she cannnot do that, it means she is not pretty or something else. Hard pass and move on.

Excellent, excellent advice, it really should be rule #1 for first time dates with girls sourced online. It was great advice before filters and AI started showing up on social media. To source dates no without video calls is a form of Russian Roulette.

[QUOTE=Andres901;2923075]For a long while, the girls looked pretty similar to their photos online, most looked better. After the pandemic, shit changed. Most of the girls are using filters and I have been duped numerous times. The fatties and darkies are altering their images to look white and thin. One of the girls was fat and not pretty, with lip filler. She was too quick to accept my office and come over. When she arrived, I was shocked. Later I found out that the ***** was on her period. I stop and told her to leave. She wanted 200 k and I argued with her back and forth but it was not worth it. She was doing this scam for a bit and being from a super poor family, she would do anything for the money.

Another girl was super cute and fit on the photos but when she came, her body was thin and had a jiggling tone to it. Had 2 kids and was drinking with she could so her muscle tone sucked and she was not pretty. She was OK with BB but I just did CIM and let her leave. Paid in full. She contacted 5 more times over the next several months but I never returned her messages.

There are another 3-5 girls that I can talk about but the main point is to video call them! This way you see them and make sure it's not a man pretending to be a girl and so forth. Have her be in a very well let area and check her out. If she cannnot do that, it means she is not pretty or something else. Hard pass and move on.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2922699]you will see few are upset I spent $$$ to find a woman with those requirements.[/QUOTE]Most people are not upset at what you paid. They are trying to correct you thinking you get something better than others because you paid more. Like many of us, you are paying the tuition in your learning process.

You think Loutron is good because you paid more. It costed much less before, and with less upsell. You can read from the posts that experienced guys don't session there even if they go with a friend. There was a report that an experienced member who went with a friend and took the number of a girl, then dated her outside with better service. These should tell you something. These places were better before. They became worse because new visitors thinking they are good deal.

I have a few from la celestina that are from Bello. It basically is the same girls that you can get elsewhere. I don't see any perfect girls like 9 and 10 on their roster. Think about it, you want top in look, good in bed, speaking English. Any combination of two will be difficult to obtain.

It costs very little in food to have girls coming dancing topless, entertaining when eating at home. It's better than going out. I had an English speaking girl with me a few times the past few days. That is the reason my Spanish is bad

This is a very inefficient market for both sides. That is what makes it more difficult for some. Many pretty ones from the same social class are all starting low before they become popular and raise their rates, often with reduced service. I was talking to one who kept bugging me, probably sending me more than 50 messages a day. I asked her do you know where to find customers? She said no. She does not know she can just walk to Lleras and would be scooped up quickly. So all she left was me. LOL. That is one reason people don't share because it would ruin it. Think about this for a moment.

I picked the girls that give me the best experience. Prettier will get priority but it can only go so far. The prettiest girl that I know was upset with me not seeing her. She offers the same service but just not as much fun and needs more pampering so she fell off my list. She knows very few gringos so I am in a better position. Once she is known, she probably will forget me. LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2923263]It is actually very easy to tell. Look at the clothing and accessories for one. Maybe I better take that back since there are guys on this site that swear they can not even tell the difference between a woman and a dude dressed up as a woman.[/QUOTE]It's much easier without makeup. Most younger ones are not matured yet.

[QUOTE=Andres901;2923075]Most of the girls are using filters and I have been duped numerous times. The fatties and darkies are altering their images to look white and thin.[/QUOTE]Just goes to show that the years and players change, but the game never changes. 2024 and horny mfs are still falling for this BS. You figure the girls would no longer do it because guys no longer fall for it, but nope. This will go on forever.

I'm not going to pretend to know what the original poster meant. I think we both know underage girls have been under a curfew in Parque Lleras and the surrounding area for some time.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2923291]Do you mean the underage girls are allowed inside the park, and there was no ID check at the gate?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2923253]Excellent, excellent advice, it really should be rule #1 for first time dates with girls sourced online. It was great advice before filters and AI started showing up on social media. To source dates no without video calls is a form of Russian Roulette.[/QUOTE]One could just ask them to send you a regular photo of herself right now, not one that she used in her profile. That would stump 99% of all chicks that are engaged in bait and switch.

The problem lately is girls are so adept with filters that they can apply them in seconds. I've been successful if I insist on receiving an unfiltered photo but it's just faster and easier to do the video call.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2923354]One could just ask them to send you a regular photo of herself right now, not one that she used in her profile. That would stump 99% of all chicks that are engaged in bait and switch.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2922868]Learning a new language when you are older is very hard; I have zero interest in learning a language other than knowing 50-100 words + Google Translate. [/QUOTE]I'm 64 and learning my fourth foreign language--Portuguese for a trip to Brazil later this year--and my experience in learning languages is that it is challenging but the hard work in learning a language always pays off. I'm a fairly proficient Spanish speaker and I spent two weeks in Colombia in 2022, only speaking Spanish. I met a 27 year old woman in Medellin I had been practicing Spanish with online and got to spend time with her over two days. That would not have been possible if I didn't know the language. It really does open up a new world.

Plus, learning Spanish opens up nearly all of the Americas, from Mexico on south, which would give you more possibilities. Put in the time to really learn it. It's worth it.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2918543]For the true vets of the fb game of mde you should definitely know who this is.

Please don't ever make fun of guys overpaying because if we pay more for pussy it's just for pussy.

But some guy just bought her a BMW suv. LOL. I know at least 6-7 guys who have raw dogged and CIM her including myself and the friends I passed her around too for 200-250 mil.[/QUOTE]Just scrolling around planning my trips and ran into this. My god. You bums should NOT be buying girls stuff like this ever! Doesn't matter if she is your prostitute or your real legit girlfriend. Maybe if she is your wife and is loyal and gave you kids after a good 10+ years and still maintains a top notch bod while making sure you're happy. Ok I could consider it.

Funny thing is that most Colombian beauty queens (even working girls) fall in love with broke losers in Colombia who aren't worth a cent and who aren't even handsome. And then we have these foreigners buying hoes this. WTF. Is this why I am reading girls asking for near a million Colombian Pesos? And I'm not one of those guys who goes for the cheap options and street walkers (that's another WTF). But I damn sure am not buying a hoe presents. Yes, some of us do higher end better looking girls in higher end clubs and will pay more than some of you do for street walkers. But not this crazy giving them a million pesos or buying them a car shit. WOW. Like. Wow.

Oh and any word where the hot upper end LEGIT bi girls for pre threesome lesbianism are at, let us know. Someone here said Fase2. Will try. Anywhere else? Let me know. LOL.

[QUOTE=Aristhotle;2923390]Funny thing is ..[/QUOTE]They are on a higher level. I think you understand the logic.

[QUOTE=Aristhotle;2923390] And then we have these foreigners buying hoes this. WTF. Is this why I am reading girls asking for near a million Colombian Pesos? And I'm not one of those guys who goes for the cheap options and street walkers (that's another WTF). Yes, some of us do higher end better looking girls in higher end clubs and will pay more than some of you do for street walkers. But not this crazy giving them a million pesos or buying them a car shit. WOW. Like. Wow..[/QUOTE]So what your saying is thar your own overpaying is fine but someone else's? Thats too much. Maybe you should set down the societal rules then we can all follow your gospel. Hehe.

I was just thinking about my own legacy recently and updating my will. I don't have any dependents so giving it to WGs seems as good as any other cause, outside of animal rights causes.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2923321]Just goes to show that the years and players change, but the game never changes. 2024 and horny mfs are still falling for this BS. You figure the girls would no longer do it because guys no longer fall for it, but nope. This will go on forever.[/QUOTE]God, I'd love to see that chica dating Ed on 90 Day Fiance' LOL.

[QUOTE=Creideiki;2923366]I'm 64 and learning my fourth foreign language--Portuguese for a trip to Brazil later this year--and my experience in learning languages is that it is challenging but the hard work in learning a language always pays off. I'm a fairly proficient Spanish speaker and I spent two weeks in Colombia in 2022, only speaking Spanish. I met a 27 year old woman in Medellin I had been practicing Spanish with online and got to spend time with her over two days. That would not have been possible if I didn't know the language. It really does open up a new world.

Plus, learning Spanish opens up nearly all of the Americas, from Mexico on south, which would give you more possibilities. Put in the time to really learn it. It's worth it.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with learning languages. Even learning to get a very basic level of social conversation is helpful as I see how folks there really appreciate you trying and the overall interactions with them will be so much more enriching, not only with the girls but even chats with Uber drivers during rides, ordering food, etc. On another note just for ourselves, apparently learning new languages when we are older can help prevent Alzheimers and other mental functions. This makes sense because if we don't use it and in this case, our minds to learn new skills, we start to crumble mentally.

[QUOTE=ElMechanico;2920673]So we have established that you must have a Claro (or whatever Company simcard) and a Colombian phone number. Another thing that is not readily apparent is the new US passports are alpha-numeric & the Claro website will not accept the alpha part of the US passport number. This leads to more of a waste of time. Bottom line is and I will say it again, this is not "an easy process" by any stretch of the imagination. Next visit, I will go to a Claro store and see if they can register my phone! Aggravating AF!

El Mechanico.[/QUOTE]Maybe for you it isn't simple, maybe everyone isn't as tech-savy (no disrespect) but for me it was pretty simple.

Since I've been coming to Colombia I've had different phones an LG V20, Huawei P30, and a Xiaomi Redmi Note 12's. All 3 of them I registered the IMEI number myself using both Claro and Tigo. In more recent years with the last 2 phones it was Tigo I used. The process can now be done inside the app but I remember back in 2018 doing it by SMS text message.

If it such a problem for you to register I would just go down to the Claro store and have a customer service person do it for you.

A suggestion though, and this seems like common sense to me, is that if the Claro website doesn't accept your alphanumeric passport number why don't you just type in your numeric passport number from your old previous passport and see if that works?

Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Creideiki;2923366]I'm 64 and learning my fourth foreign language--Portuguese for a trip to Brazil later this year--and my experience in learning languages is that it is challenging but the hard work in learning a language always pays off. I'm a fairly proficient Spanish speaker and I spent two weeks in Colombia in 2022, only speaking Spanish. I met a 27 year old woman in Medellin I had been practicing Spanish with online and got to spend time with her over two days. That would not have been possible if I didn't know the language. It really does open up a new world.

Plus, learning Spanish opens up nearly all of the Americas, from Mexico on south, which would give you more possibilities. Put in the time to really learn it. It's worth it.[/QUOTE]Truly admire your common sense there.

Been in Brazil for the past 3 Months and I struggled like hell due to fact I don't speak Porto. I learned some basics and able to say Hello, and few words to some garotas here and there in clubs, but not anywhere close to the damages I normally do in spanish speaking countries like Col. I speak Spn near fluently and can't wait to make it back to Medellin in few days LOL. Like I'm forced to date and go out with the 1% that speak basic English and can't enjoy going out with the majority, and bro that shit sucks being in Br which is pussy heaven. Aint no girl going to spend a whole day or weekend with you using Google translate. Brothels are fine, but I like to mix it up getting semi pros or nonpros from Tinder and Seeking for overnights or few days and you must be able to communicate. The few I managed to meet that speak Eng have experience and have dated many foreigners which we all hate. We want them fresh from the hood, low mileage and be the first or second gringo to break in.

Not going to make this mistake again. If I'm going to any new country w a new language I'm going to make some efforts to learn up to a conversation level. I couldn't agree more.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2923903]We want them fresh from the hood, low mileage and be the first or second gringo to break in.
[/QUOTE]Do we, now? I prefer Hi mileage that will break me in.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2923986]Do we, now? I prefer Hi mileage that will break me in.[/QUOTE]Yeah high mileage experienced milfs can be a turn on, but only as an occasional fetish. And I know your joking obviously. Most of them can't breed anymore anyway for the young men who may still want a fam one day, that itself disqualifies them.

Women body count matters more then men's, it's science.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2CgIBfDPC4[/URL]

I am surprised you have to rely on a translation app in Brazil if you have working knowledge of Spanish, especially after three months of immersion. Aside from that your experience if further proof that knowledge of the local language is very helpful but not do or die. None of us are willingly going to stay in a place where we are involuntarily celibate so it stands to reason you managed to wet your wick well enough.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2923903]Truly admire your common sense there.

Been in Brazil for the past 3 Months and I struggled like hell due to fact I don't speak Porto. I learned some basics and able to say Hello, and few words to some garotas here and there in clubs, but not anywhere close to the damages I normally do in spanish speaking countries like Col. I speak Spn near fluently and can't wait to make it back to Medellin in few days LOL. Like I'm forced to date and go out with the 1% that speak basic English and can't enjoy going out with the majority, and bro that shit sucks being in Br which is pussy heaven. Aint no girl going to spend a whole day or weekend with you using Google translate. Brothels are fine, but I like to mix it up getting semi pros or nonpros from Tinder and Seeking for overnights or few days and you must be able to communicate. The few I managed to meet that speak Eng have experience and have dated many foreigners which we all hate. We want them fresh from the hood, low mileage and be the first or second gringo to break in.

Not going to make this mistake again. If I'm going to any new country w a new language I'm going to make some efforts to learn up to a conversation level. I couldn't agree more.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2924009]Yeah high mileage experienced milfs can be a turn on, but only as an occasional fetish. And I know your joking obviously. Most of them can't breed anymore
[/QUOTE]I can't believe you linked an andrew tate video, the guru of manhood, hehe.

Actually I wasnt joking. Most of my life I have had sexy young things as GFs. Girls that obsess about their looks tend to be false in my experience. I have a very cute young GF now. Why should I replicate that thru paid sex?

And I don't think experience maps with MILF. Most of my best sex encounters were with young and highly experienced.

Am not saying looks play no part for me, but they are a secondary consideration.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2924009]
Women body count matters more then men's, it's science.][/QUOTE]Q for you MT. If you had the choice of paying for an average girl that gives crazy sex, or an absolute stunner that gives average sex, which you choose?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2924136]I can't believe you linked an andrew tate video, the guru of manhood, hehe.

Actually I wasnt joking. Most of my life I have had sexy young things as GFs. Girls that obsess about their looks tend to be false in my experience. I have a very cute young GF now. Why should I replicate that thru paid sex?

And I don't think experience maps with MILF. Most of my best sex encounters were with young and highly experienced.

Am not saying looks play no part for me, but they are a secondary consideration.[/QUOTE]Sorry bro wasn't trying to start a debate or you misunderstood me.

I only said the obvious as to why most men prefer a less experience girl. Not sure how that relates to your follow up questions which are new topics. Certain statements I make, I remove my own personal experience from it and look at things more on a global and factual aspect. Now here you are speaking about your own experiences of girls obsessing with looks, highly experienced, etc which are all not the points I made. Your experiences do not translate to hard facts or majority. Maybe you chose wrong, maybe you chose girls based on superficial looks instead of natural and you skipped the humble, submissive, feminine and educated ones. But in order to detect those, one must also educate himself, and kinna hard to do when the dick is doing the thinking.

Sometimes it's best to keep a topic simple, with logic and facts. Not only about yourself and how you feel.

That said, what I mentioned remains true, and I can speak for all or most men LOL.

1 - Normal girl (nonpro GF) or low mileage semi-pro vs high mileage ho. No debates needed, I hope. I say most men will go for the normal girl or semi pro.

2 - If you want to have a child, most older milfs (ultimate high miles) are done in that area, so you must date a younger girl (hopefully a nonpro for that).

3 - The higher the body count a woman has, regardless of age, affects her mental wellbeing. Many well documents series from experts on this.

4 - Many mongers here still have side or real relationships, I'm sure those girls aint no ho.

5 - Family is everything. When your very old, no one wants to be alone and depressed, so relationships are more valuable than some mongers faking on here like they want to be players forever.

6 - Again, you want to settle and wake up everyday with a ho who fuckd 10-20 guys a day in her youth and still have cum dripping down her mouth, go ahead. But most men prefer to settle w a girl that's a bit cleaner. In this sense there's no right or wrong answer, it's a preference and no extra debates needed.

If you care only about wild sex and only want very experienced hos who swallow on first dates, then that's you. For Mongering obviously that's what we want, but that would scare the shit out of me if I get that from someone I'm trying to have a relationship with. We must always differentiate these two goals.

For nonpro women I have real dates with, I'm always hoping we don't fuck on the first night. Only cause I won't respect her enough to ever make her my real GF or trust her. Fuck no. I want a traditional woman w integrity and respects herself and make me wait till 2nd or 3rd date.

Further, when a fresh girl does not know what to do in bed I get just as exited, I don't need an instant deep throat expert as I can train her; also the pussy's tighter and smells better. You treat a normal girl right and that brings loyalty, a rare thing these days and to real men it's priceless. This is the real prize fellas, this is what most men work hard for; been that way for centuries. Knowing everyday you have a woman who commits solely to you. Of course many mongers disagree on this since most don't believe in the foundation of marriage or relationships and that's OK. Some already had that, some can't due to looks and age, and some have diff views and preferences. But it's the custom of billions and the majority, since the beginning of time.

Regardless of what you do, I always argue here to treat women w respect, hos or not. Just be a gentleman!!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2924101]I am surprised you have to rely on a translation app in Brazil if you have working knowledge of Spanish, especially after three months of immersion. Aside from that your experience if further proof that knowledge of the local language is very helpful but not do or die. None of us are willingly going to stay in a place where we are involuntarily celibate so it stands to reason you managed to wet your wick well enough.[/QUOTE]Portuguese is difficult. I speak Spanish very well and despite spending lots of time in Brasil over the years, I still have no where near proficient in Portuguese. That doesn't stop me from having a great time.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2924101]I am surprised you have to rely on a translation app in Brazil if you have working knowledge of Spanish, especially after three months of immersion. Aside from that your experience if further proof that knowledge of the local language is very helpful but not do or die. None of us are willingly going to stay in a place where we are involuntarily celibate so it stands to reason you managed to wet your wick well enough.[/QUOTE]When I began traveling to Brazil many moons ago, I spoke very good if not excellent spanish. It still took quite a bit of dedication and practice to get to my level now in portuguese, which is very good.

I know native spaniish speakers, who after years, still struggle with portuguese.

Getting to fluency in spanish was a b..ch because it was my first language to learn after english, learning and becoming proficient in portuguese has been fun tho.

My mind was already trained and they are very similar in structure.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2924138]Q for you MT. If you had the choice of paying for an average girl that gives crazy sex, or an absolute stunner that gives average sex, which you choose?[/QUOTE]I'll take Both!

It's why I'm in this hobby, for varieties.

Since I'm around hos 24/7 and not on a vacation I mainly deal with average normal girls, 7+ to maintain standard for daily wild sport fucking as extra cardio.

Then 4-5 times a month or weekly I'll grab a real stunner, 9+.

And gladly spend $200 which is 10 x the average $20 cpf I usually spend.

I always expect lower performance from stunners. Sometimes I get lucky with great perf and even BBFS but usually everything covered and lazy average sex. But, my dick stays extra hard and recovers imm w 9+ and no regrets. All men should experience those.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2924184]When I began traveling to Brazil many moons ago, I spoke very good if not excellent spanish. It still took quite a bit of dedication and practice to get to my level now in portuguese, which is very good.

I know native spaniish speakers, who after years, still struggle with portuguese.

Getting to fluency in spanish was a b..ch because it was my first language to learn after english, learning and becoming proficient in portuguese has been fun tho.

My mind was already trained and they are very similar in structure.[/QUOTE]May I ask how you learned Brazilian Portugese? I'm not fluent in Spanish. Hell, I'm not sure I'm fluent in English. LOL But I can carry on a decent conversation in imperfect Spanish. I did put in some effort to learn Portugese. But I struggled. I believe maybe if I was more fluent in Spanish it might have been easier.

I'm thinking about returning to Brazil next year. But the language was a challenge. I got by on my last trip but to the OP's point, speaking the language greatly improves the experience.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2924184]

I know native spaniish speakers, who after years, still struggle with portuguese.

[/QUOTE]So do I. While the structure is certainly similar, the sounds are very different.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2924165]Sorry bro wasn't trying to start a debate or you misunderstood me.
[/QUOTE]We can exchange views here without bad feeling, MT. Don't worry about that. I know some struggle to do it, but I try not to be among them myself.

I think we hit crosswires here. Seems you are mixing P4 P and regular relationships and talking about them interchangeably. Whereas I am talking here about P4 P only, which is what most guys here do. I hold a different opinion if I were looking for a LT GF, but then I wouldn't be going to a casa or strip club and looking for a sexy girl to make her my LT GF anyway.

I would love to read some of the studies you refer to. You say your view is the more common; that might be. But you also said it's what 'we all want', which is where I stepped in to confirm there are different views on this.

BTW your point 6 and onwards. It appears you have a psychological sexual hang up here. I never worry about what a girl did in her past sexual relations. For me it's just a natural desire and action that people do together. I fucked girls in the arse so I fully expect there are girls out there that have been fucked in the arse by others. It's just what we do, like kissing, holding hands, sucking balls, and swallowing cum. No difference. You say we should always respect women, but then you show you don't respect sexually experienced women. You think they are lesser in some regard. This illustrates it well: 'Normal girl (nonpro GF) or low mileage semi-pro vs high mileage ho. No debates needed, I hope. I say most men will go for the normal girl or semi pro. ' . I really don't see why you think its relevant in a LT GF context. And I strongly disagree with it in the P4 P context. Perhaps that's the opression that religion has brought upon people thru society and culture.

I am not debating you. Simply expressing a different POV.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2924101]I am surprised you have to rely on a translation app in Brazil if you have working knowledge of Spanish, especially after three months of immersion. Aside from that your experience if further proof that knowledge of the local language is very helpful but not do or die. None of us are willingly going to stay in a place where we are involuntarily celibate so it stands to reason you managed to wet your wick well enough.[/QUOTE]Yeah man. Most places I walk in I do manage to get by. Many of them understand spanish including in stores, restaurants, etc. I'm mostly referring to wanting to spend a entire day or weekend with one with zero Eng as I normally do in Colombia. I was hanging out today in a lounge in Centro and a wg was on me dancing and we chatted a bit, started with basic porto then I mixed it w some Spanish and didn't have to pull Gtranslate at all. So I do get by thanks to Spanish for brief or club encounters. But it is my fault, I will dedicate time to learn this shit and stay even longer next time. It's worth it since women here are more friendly and very approachable, quick smiles and quickly invite to you converse. OMG BR is heaven.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2922566]You dodged some bullets. A 300 K loss and bad headaches are lottery first prizes for what you got into.[/QUOTE]Read his TR in Lima. He thinks being stupid and risking his life is funny.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2922734]I have to agree with you, but with a caveat. What you are saying works with women that are not hookers. Never heard a woman that was not a hooker list the things she is looking for as he says is what will make a hooker do a good job. It is always a bunch of abstract stuff, nothing about being in shape or smelling good. Maybe what he says are things that hookers are looking for in tricks? It seems asinine though because you are the customer trying to impress someone you are paying. He says pay up. Then after that you have to impress her with how you look and a good time. Huh? If my plumber came over here, I would not have to give him over and above the usual amount for plumbers, have an ice cold beer waiting for him, neatly lay out all his tools, and make sure he has a soft cushion to kneel on, all in order to expect him to do a good job.

Then you have to figure these chicks are doing this shit day in and day out. After a while, if you have seen one guy in shape, and one guy smelling good, and one guy showing you a good time, then you have seen them all. You are showing her nothing new. Like the guy that was talking about getting an expensive hotel room so the hookers could be comfortable. Mf she has probably already been there so many times that her and the staff call each other by name. You are in fact casting your pearls among swine. Now for a chick that is not a hooker amd does not go out with a bunch of men, this type of treatment will get you somewhere. But with tricks doing this shit day in and day out for a hooker in addition to paying her, it has surely become mundane and is bringing nothing special out of her the way he wants to think it is.[/QUOTE]"it has surely become mundane and is bringing nothing special out of her the way he wants to think it is".

It certainly makes her SIMP radar go ballistic.

[QUOTE=Combo;2924215]So do I. While the structure is certainly similar, the sounds are very different.[/QUOTE]I'm fluent in Spanish and I spent three months in Portugal and felt pretty comfortable, had listened to some tapes for a couple of months before that, felt like I was doing well. Then I went to Brazil. What the actual fuck. Sounded like a cross between French and Spanish spoken by somebody with a cleft palate. OTOH I could still read it okay. Felt like an eejit for assuming it would sound anything like Portugal. I should have listened to some Brazilian tapes or radio the last month in Portugal, if I had it to do over again.

I am taking a friend to Aruba. I am travelling with her, has anyone had problems getting in? She is 40 so not too young.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2924210]May I ask how you learned Brazilian Portugese? I did put in some effort to learn Portugese. But I struggled. I believe maybe if I was more fluent in Spanish it might have been easier.
[/QUOTE]I was a French teacher. Portuguese is my third language and I learned Spanish after that. To me, none of them are any easier or harder than another. I recommend getting Pimsleur language program, buying a first year text book, large English Portuguese dictionary, and 501 Portuguese verbs from Amazon. Then buy a bunch of index cards. The 501 will teach you how to conjugate the verbs. The text book categorizes things to make it easier to learn. For instance things in a bathroom or parts of a car. Then with the Pimsleur you learn conversation and pronunciation. Make sure you get the Brazilian Portuguese program and not the Portugal one. I have been speaking Portuguese for over 20 years and still don't know what the hell they are saying in Portugal!

It was my first time so I'll post about my experience and strategy.

First off I got good advice to start at Plaza Botero. It was good advice. You will know you are there because you will see a bunch of bronze statue of fat people. Around the Plaza you will see a fat roman soldier statue. It's across from the museum of antiqua or something. Walk in that direction. You will see shops, hotels and chicas. There are also some behind the stsute I just mentioned. Seems like going rate is 50 k pesos. 10 for the room.

Not many stunners. Like 2 or 3. But you can definitely find something young and reasonably attractive to pork for 15 bucks. I was personally looking for twerking ass job type situation so they'll happily agree to try for the price or two Atlanta lap dances I got a chica in a room naked dancing on me. I bring a little oil and it's a good time. And easy enough to get a few chicas if you want. So I don't actually have extra info like bbjs cause I just got the dances. I was here for 3 months missing the Atlanta vibes so I was making some of my own LOL. One experience went well, the other the girls was less cooperative but nothing dangerous just annoying. I'm on my way there now to give it a other shit and buy souvenirs. Honestly I need more practice with streetwalkers. I'm still very nervous approaching a woman on the street about the hobby. I welcome any tips. My Spanish is improving but still not great.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2924687]It was my first time so I'll post about my experience and strategy.

First off I got good advice to start at Plaza Botero. I'm still very nervous approaching a woman on the street about the hobby. I welcome any tips. [/QUOTE]Girls always seem to respond well to confidence. So try to be confident, relaxed and happy. If you feel nervous on the street, try the road behind the church. There are a ton of bars down there. You can get a drink and sit at the bar. Most have girls working in the bars, so it is easy to strike up a convo there and you don't have to worry about people approaching you.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2924687]Not many stunners. Like 2 or 3. But you can definitely find something young and reasonably attractive to pork for 15 bucks. [/QUOTE]When you add the cost of airfare, hotel room, restaurant meals, hours spent sitting at an airport and delayed flights, hassles from immigration and mig online, it no longer is only $15; it makes sense to stay at home and look at porno. LOL.

Over the past few months, more drugging incidents happening in Laureles, maybe trying to avoid all the attention in Poblado.

Earlier today, a 23 year old man was reported to be wandering through the streets drugged and disoriented in the Laureles neighborhood, rushed to hospital after police were notified.

The young man recalls partying with 2 women in his apartment, valuables reported stolen.

The local authorities report two similar incidents occurred with foreigners being victimized in the last 24 hours. [URL]https://www.pulzo.com/nacion/estadounidense-medellin-fue-drogado-tras-departir-con-mujeres-laureles-PP3733589A?utm_campaign=prensapaisa&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook-alianza&utm_content&utm_term&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2BxPi9F78ktcMQoqy32tF4p6vyshiFNGZOc-XOMqOGFhI6yHytgmplwv8_aem_V3qkQEGmff79YqZ_OdeM-g[/URL].

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2925040]Over the past few months, more drugging incidents happening in Laureles, maybe trying to avoid all the attention in Poblado.

Earlier today, a 23 year old man was reported to be wandering through the streets drugged and disoriented in the Laureles neighborhood, rushed to hospital after police were notified.

The young man recalls partying with 2 women in his apartment, valuables reported stolen.[/QUOTE]I will note here, once again, that a common denominator in these situations is the "2 women. " It's important for all mongers to be aware of the fact that a third individual always puts you at a disadvantage; even if you are vigilant, it can be hard to track two people. The biggest thing to always keep track of to avoid these situations is where your drink is. Act like any woman does in the clubs nowadays; never leave the drink unattended, don't accept a drink from the ladies that you didn't see made, and never feel pressured to drink if you're unsure. You guys should have enough money to buy some extra bottles of water, cans of soda / beer, or vino that you can throw away a drink you have lost track of. It's a tiny price to pay to be smart.

Being honest, the threesome game with strangers is generally a one in a million situation anyway. From my experience, you never get a real PSE, lesbian threesome. You get some weak tag-team without any interaction between the girls where they try to make you bust quickly by switching quickly. It can be fun to get a nice view of a double BJ, but most of the time you just get one girl working you over while the other girl shoves her tits in your face. As many others have recommended, you should partake when you have vetted one girl and ask her to recommend a partner. I've had much better success here with some real fun experiences, though I know this not possible for the weekend warrior. But, in that case, best to be safe and ask for two girls at a casa.

For western bros who really want a good threesome without the legwork, I actually do recommend threesomes with the indy escorts in Toronto / Montreal. The price tag is higher (it's still reasonable compared to the highest class escorts) but I've had a lot of good hits over the years with memorable threesomes, so it's something I find myself splurging on repeatedly when the desire comes up.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2924687] I'm still very nervous approaching a woman on the street about the hobby. I welcome any tips. My Spanish is improving but still not great.[/QUOTE]Don't worry about being nervous since we all have to start somewhere. In your case, I would stick to places where it's easier because in street situations like Centro, even Parque Lleras and bars like the one at Hotel M I went to, the norm is for us guys to approach the women. Otherwise in some places, they can be considered harassing customers if they get too aggressive and pushy. While it's nice to get attention from women, I personally don't really like it when some girl I'm not attracted to keeps on me for drinks and / or to pull her back to my room.

So for the nervous dudes, you want to be in a situation where you can be hand held through the process. So anyplace whether in Medellin or elsewhere in the world, it might be a place where there is a mamasan / papasan / manager who could welcome you, introduce you to their pricing structure and then show you a selection of girls. Then you just pick one. This way you don't have to feel nervous about making first moves all the time.

Then once you build confidence, you can start to move up into other venues where it's expected for the guys to make the first moves.

Be carefully drinking generally with women here. Don't let them set the pace. I made a mistake last weekend that was a real wakeup call for me personally, so I'll share. I date a bunch here as well as seeing some pros. Anyway I invited a girl to lunch last Saturday, and also had a date set up that night. Things went really well with the first girl. We got along well, good convo, to the point we went to a bar and were kissing. Eventually the convo turned to going back to my place. I'd told her that I had plans that night and as we were arriving at my place she asked if I was seeing another woman. I admitted yes but that I wanted to spend more time with her as we were getting along. Anyway she said cool and let's order some aguardiente and dance. The mistake I made with her there was letting her set the pace drinking. I was probably being a bit macho but some of these girls can drink and she could dance too. So I let myself get carried away. I was keeping an eye and serving but she was pushing to do another and another shot. Anyway I got pretty drunk with her over a couple hours and was not thinking of the other date at all at that point. She said she wanted to take some pictures with me on my phone and did. Before you know it she's messaging the girl I was supposed to see from my phone saying I'm too drunk to go out and sending her a photo of her and I kissing. I get the feeling she was jealous and wanted to cock block me. But I was pretty clearly played by her. Luckily she didn't steal anything or harm me. But she could have. She even apologized the next day. But my mistake was thinking 1) aguardiente isn't that strong and 2) a little 120 pound woman couldn't outdrink me. Lessons are 1) don't get pressured into drinking heavily here by anyone especially if you don't know them. Colombians love to drink and can apply peer pressure pretty hard. 2) Don't be a dumbass like me and tell a girl you are going on another date after seeing her (women here can be super jealous and sometimes a little crazy). 3) Be careful generally. I've spent a bunch of time in Colombia and generally think I'm pretty safe. But I fuck up from time to time as well. The point is to learn from your mistakes and also the mistakes of others. I've never been robbed here or been in any uncomfortable situations. I've also had some amazing experiences and made some great connections.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2925213] 1) aguardiente isn't that strong and 2) a little 120 pound woman couldn't outdrink me. Lessons are 1) don't get pressured into drinking heavily here by anyone especially if you don't know them. Colombians love to drink and can apply peer pressure pretty hard. 2) Don't be a dumbass like me and tell a girl you are going on another date after seeing her (women here can be super jealous and sometimes a little crazy). 3) Be careful generally. I've spent a bunch of time in Colombia and generally think I'm pretty safe. But I fuck up from time to time as well. The point is to learn from your mistakes and also the mistakes of others. I've never been robbed here or been in any uncomfortable situations. I've also had some amazing experiences and made some great connections.[/QUOTE]I appreciate you sharing that story. It's a great reminder about complacency, which I am often guilty of. In a decade of international trips, I've never had any very serious issues. I was pickpocketed by two girls in the zona of Tijuana. And I think a bar girl stole $40 from my wallet after a session. The common theme in both cases? I was very drunk. I don't learn my lesson though. LOL I party hard with the chicas. It's an important part of the experience for me. I'm a boring guy at home and I let loose when on vacation. I guess it is a risk I just accept. But your story also helps ground me and others on those risks. Thanks for sharing.

Just wanted to add my 2 cents. You should definitely get to know at least one, if not both of the participants in a threesome before doing it and consider going to a motel. I've yet to have a tag team style objectively bad experience. But I'm careful. I've wanted to have a full PSE threesome for a while with anal, girls dping each other with me and a strapon, double BJ with rimming and of course lesbian components. That was an item on my bucket list that I only recently checked off. But I literally knew and had been having sex with both girls for over a year each time I've come here. I knew they were both up for anything. Even then the threesome didn't go perfectly. I bought a strapon combo on rappi that was just low quality and didn't work. But the girls were great. One of them is a squirter and took to the situation better than I'd hoped even. I also had a pretty good one the other night where ID gone out with a girl 3 times and got to know her pretty well. She said she liked threesome and recommended a friend, so we set one up the other night at a motep and it went pretty well. I even liked her friend a little better than her (wilder sexual energy).

[QUOTE=Recondite;2925213]Be carefully drinking generally with women here. Don't let them set the pace. I made a mistake last weekend that was a real wakeup call for me personally, so I'll share. I date a bunch here as well as seeing some pros. Anyway I invited a girl to lunch last Saturday, and also had a date set up that night. Things went really well with the first girl. We got along well, good convo, to the point we went to a bar and were kissing. Eventually the convo turned to going back to my place. I'd told her that I had plans that night and as we were arriving at my place she asked if I was seeing another woman. I admitted yes but that I wanted to spend more time with her as we were getting along. Anyway she said cool and let's order some aguardiente and dance. The mistake I made with her there was letting her set the pace drinking. I was probably being a bit macho but some of these girls can drink and she could dance too. So I let myself get carried away. I was keeping an eye and serving but she was pushing to do another and another shot. Anyway I got pretty drunk with her over a couple hours and was not thinking of the other date at all at that point. She said she wanted to take some pictures with me on my phone and did. Before you know it she's messaging the girl I was supposed to see from my phone saying I'm too drunk to go out and sending her a photo of her and I kissing. I get the feeling she was jealous and wanted to cock block me. But I was pretty clearly played by her. Luckily she didn't steal anything or harm me. But she could have. She even apologized the next day. But my mistake was thinking 1) aguardiente isn't that strong and 2) a little 120 pound woman couldn't outdrink me. Lessons are 1) don't get pressured into drinking heavily here by anyone especially if you don't know them. Colombians love to drink and can apply peer pressure pretty hard. 2) Don't be a dumbass like me and tell a girl you are going on another date after seeing her (women here can be super jealous and sometimes a little crazy). 3) Be careful generally. I've spent a bunch of time in Colombia and generally think I'm pretty safe. But I fuck up from time to time as well. The point is to learn from your mistakes and also the mistakes of others. I've never been robbed here or been in any uncomfortable situations. I've also had some amazing experiences and made some great connections.[/QUOTE]Lesson 4 NEVER EVER let a chica use your phone, PERIOD.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2925213]Don't be a dumbass like me and tell a girl you are going on another date after seeing her (women here can be super jealous and sometimes a little crazy).[/QUOTE]Your girl or a hooker? Not many people would tell their girl they are on the way to see another chick. But a hooker, who gives a rat's ass. If that was the case then all these chicks would not be referring or bringing their friends along. Somebody that I am paying can not play a jealous card. That sounds weird.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2925213]Be careful drinking generally with women here. Don't let them set the pace. I made a mistake last weekend that was a real wakeup call for me personally, so I'll share. I date a bunch here as well as seeing some pros. Anyway I invited a girl to lunch last Saturday, and also had a date set up that night. Things went really well with the first girl. We got along well, good convo, to the point we went to a bar and were kissing. Eventually the convo turned to going back to my place. I'd told her that I had plans that night and as we were arriving at my place she asked if I was seeing another woman. I admitted yes but that I wanted to spend more time with her as we were getting along. Anyway she said cool and let's order some aguardiente and dance. The mistake I made with her there was letting her set the pace drinking. I was probably being a bit macho but some of these girls can drink and she could dance too. So I let myself get carried away. I was keeping an eye and serving but she was pushing to do another and another shot. Anyway I got pretty drunk with her over a couple hours and was not thinking of the other date at all at that point. She said she wanted to take some pictures with me on my phone and did. Before you know it she's messaging the girl I was supposed to see from my phone saying I'm too drunk to go out and sending her a photo of her and I kissing. I get the feeling she was jealous and wanted to cock block me. But I was pretty clearly played by her. Luckily she didn't steal anything or harm me. But she could have. She even apologized the next day. But my mistake was thinking 1) aguardiente isn't that strong and 2) a little 120 pound woman couldn't outdrink me. Lessons are 1) don't get pressured into drinking heavily here by anyone especially if you don't know them. Colombians love to drink and can apply peer pressure pretty hard. 2) Don't be a dumbass like me and tell a girl you are going on another date after seeing her (women here can be super jealous and sometimes a little crazy). 3) Be careful generally. I've spent a bunch of time in Colombia and generally think I'm pretty safe. But I fuck up from time to time as well. The point is to learn from your mistakes and also the mistakes of others. I've never been robbed here or been in any uncomfortable situations. I've also had some amazing experiences and made some great connections.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Recondite;2925213] Just wanted to add my 2 cents. You should definitely get to know at least one, if not both of the participants in a threesome before doing it and consider going to a motel. I've yet to have a tag team style objectively bad experience. But I'm careful. I've wanted to have a full PSE threesome for a while with anal, girls dping each other with me and a strapon, double BJ with rimming and of course lesbian components. That was an item on my bucket list that I only recently checked off. But I literally knew and had been having sex with both girls for over a year each time I've come here. I knew they were both up for anything. Even then the threesome didn't go perfectly. I bought a strapon combo on rappi that was just low quality and didn't work. But the girls were great. One of them is a squirter and took to the situation better than I'd hoped even. I also had a pretty good one the other night where ID gone out with a girl 3 times and got to know her pretty well. She said she liked threesome and recommended a friend, so we set one up the other night at a motep and it went pretty well. I even liked her friend a little better than her (wilder sexual energy).[/QUOTE]I just don't get it. You are drinking with some girl you "know" how well? Why on earth are you drinking? If she wants to drink, great, let her. How many times are we going to read that another "gringo" got drugged and maybe killed after drinking with some girl he knew for about 5 minutes?

I know, you're careful. But do you have any idea how little time it takes for her to spike your drink? Or maybe as she finishes her drink she spikes her empty glass and when you are done she just switches glasses with you as you refill them.

I tell people who are visiting that if you "have to" drink do it after you finish your session. There is a gringo bar at the St. Peter in Laureles or several others in Poblado. Just don't drink with girls here unless you know them, have been to their house or their family home. It borders on sheer lunacy.

Now your advice on Trios is well done. I had my first "trio" here on my first visit 7 years ago. It was a disaster. I didn't know either girl and it was supidity. Since then, I have done as you suggested. I have had a few excellent trios. I knew one girl well (3 or more sessions together) and she recommended a "friend" I made it a requirement to session with the friend first, to make sure I would enjoy her company as well. Even so, you want to be very alert because one girl is roaming while you are in flagrante delicto with the other.

Here is what I do when a chica comes over to my airbnb (always with security). I ask if they want a drink and 90% of the time its a yes. So I make one drink and say this is for us to share and then make sure she is drinking from it before I start having some. I have already been kissing her so no issue with sharing. We both drink from the same glass for the evening and I don't worry too much about it. I also don't get shit faced.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2925086]Don't worry about being nervous since we all have to start somewhere. In your case, I would stick to places where it's easier because in street situations like Centro, even Parque Lleras and bars like the one at Hotel M I went to, the norm is for us guys to approach the women. Otherwise in some places, they can be considered harassing customers if they get too aggressive and pushy. While it's nice to get attention from women, I personally don't really like it when some girl I'm not attracted to keeps on me for drinks and / or to pull her back to my room.

So for the nervous dudes, you want to be in a situation where you can be hand held through the process. So anyplace whether in Medellin or elsewhere in the world, it might be a place where there is a mamasan / papasan / manager who could welcome you, introduce you to their pricing structure and then show you a selection of girls. Then you just pick one. This way you don't have to feel nervous about making first moves all the time.

Then once you build confidence, you can start to move up into other venues where it's expected for the guys to make the first moves.[/QUOTE]You were there once for three days and are now an expert, giving advice to others?

[QUOTE=Villainy;2925273]I just don't get it. You are drinking with some girl you "know" how well? Why on earth are you drinking?[/QUOTE]I said the same thing yesterday but it did not get posted. Someone said that all these druggings have 2 women in common. No they don't. They have drinking in common.

Even another brother said he was with one girl he thought he knew well and left his drink alone for one minute while he went out on the balcony to check on the steaks. The lone girl got him.

I do not understand why people insist they they have to drink something when it comes to fucking a chick. If she is coming to fuck, then get to fucking. Find someone else to be your drinking buddy, whether it is soda, alcohol, or whatever. Shit I tell chicks they have to work up a thirst first anyway before they get a drink from me.

Not a hooker. She's a girl I met and asked out to lunch. At this point I spend as much or more time looking for nonpros as pros. As you said prepagos don't care about that stuff. Hell I've got a couple amigas with derechas that know about other girls I see and don't get pissed.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2925238]Your girl or a hooker? Not many people would tell their girl they are on the way to see another chick. But a hooker, who gives a rat's ass. If that was the case then all these chicks would not be referring or bringing their friends along. Somebody that I am paying can not play a jealous card. That sounds weird.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Recondite;2925439]amigas with derechas[/QUOTE]Is that the same as "friends with benefits"? I think all non-incarcerated people have rights. Even those incarcerated have some rights.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2925469]Is that the same as "friends with benefits"? I think all non-incarcerated people have rights. Even those incarcerated have some rights.[/QUOTE]Amigos con derechos. Or Amigas con derechos. Derecho is a noun meaning "rights" as in human rights, and also means straight (as in straight ahead). So it is a masculine noun and doesn't change when used in either male or female context (as it would if it were an adjective). Derecha is used in the sense of right and left. A la derecha for "on the right".

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2925503]Amigos con derechos. Or Amigas con derechos. Derecho is a noun meaning "rights" as in human rights, and also means straight (as in straight ahead). So it is a masculine noun and doesn't change when used in either male or female context (as it would if it were an adjective). Derecha is used in the sense of right and left. A la derecha for "on the right".[/QUOTE]Like FunLuvr I also didn't understand the meaning of "friends with rights". I googled in Spanish and it means (in English) an open relationship. So yes as he thought "friends with benefits". I guess when you get into a monogamous relationship in latin america you lose your "rights". They are ahead of us with this lingo jaja and maybe explains why so many of us have never been married.

So I was cursing this rain10 to 12 am gustos was empty. 5 Uggos and maybe like 13 dudes. Left for glow and that was so much better.

My buddy got quoted 700 k toda la niche. Talent was low or mediocre and the rain was not stopping so no new talent. Went to gusto at 1 am to see if it was better. Wow gusto is so empty so I hopped back to glow. Had a chick for back up in case everything failed BUT!

Last time I was here I got a contact from gusto. Who quoted me insane prices. Cause you know gusto.

Well I reached out to her and she agreed to 300 k hour and all night 700 k if we had good chemistry. Always the phrasing I use.

Anyway guys this is huge.

Couple rules here are.

Clubs are just for what's app contacts.

Use mid week and rain to your advantage. I would write more but waiting for her now.

I wanted to post my drinking story so others can learn from it. I realize I made some mistakes and it made me think. On reflection a final thing that is important is that nonpros are just as big a risk if not bigger sometimes than pros. It's something I've known intellectually for a while based off the drugging cases. But I think I have an unconcious bias for trusting pros less easily and nonpros more easily. Anyway, the point is for others to hopefully learn from my experience. The smartest move is to not drink with girls. It's also smartest to not trust anyone ever or at least for a long time. But the name of the game with this hobby is risk management and choosing the level of risk you are comfortable with. After all, if you want to be 100% safe and have a completely safe sex life, stay in your house in your home country and mastrubate with a helmet on in case you fall.

I meant friends with benefits when using amigos con derechos. As you pointed out I made a grammatical mistake. My Spanish is very good but by no means perfect.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2925601]I wanted to post my drinking story so others can learn from it. I realize I made some mistakes and it made me think. On reflection a final thing that is important is that nonpros are just as big a risk if not bigger sometimes than pros.[/QUOTE]Honestly, you just did something monumentally stupid and that's it. It's literally dating 101 to not tell girls you're seeing that you there are other girls in the mix. If the girl is a non-pro, treat it like you would if you were dating a normie back home, which is to keep everything separate until you're ready to commit to one girl or if you're good with the girl seeing other dudes on the side. Truthfully, it's disrespectful to your date to go see another chick a few hours later, so keep it to yourself. Most girls, everywhere on Earth, are not going to feel good about going on a date with a guy that is going to bang another chick later that night.

For any guy that is trying to date and go after non-pros in Colombia, don't expect the girls to accept you walking around as a playboy, hitting on every girl, being unfaithful, etc. Just because you open up your wallet from time to time. Stick with the pros; get a stable of girls who know what's going on, understand the pfp arrangement, and are less likely to catch serious feelings. As is the case with women all across the world, once they catch those feelings, that relationship has changed irreparably.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2925601]I wanted to post my drinking story so others can learn from it. I realize I made some mistakes and it made me think. On reflection a final thing that is important is that nonpros are just as big a risk if not bigger sometimes than pros. It's something I've known intellectually for a while based off the drugging cases. But I think I have an unconcious bias for trusting pros less easily and nonpros more easily. Anyway, the point is for others to hopefully learn from my experience. The smartest move is to not drink with girls. It's also smartest to not trust anyone ever or at least for a long time. But the name of the game with this hobby is risk management and choosing the level of risk you are comfortable with. After all, if you want to be 100% safe and have a completely safe sex life, stay in your house in your home country and mastrubate with a helmet on in case you fall.

I meant friends with benefits when using amigos con derechos. As you pointed out I made a grammatical mistake. My Spanish is very good but by no means perfect.[/QUOTE]I didn't mean to be a grammer cop, but I mixed those two words up in using taxis in Medellin. The use "derecho" to say straight ahead, and "a la derecha" for a right hand turn. So the distinction can help you direct your taxi or have you not turning when you should, or going straight when you meant turn. And "amigos con derechos" is a whole other can of worms. LOL.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2925601]I wanted to post my drinking story so others can learn from it. I realize I made some mistakes and it made me think. On reflection a final thing that is important is that nonpros are just as big a risk if not bigger sometimes than pros. It's something I've known intellectually for a while based off the drugging cases. But I think I have an unconcious bias for trusting pros less easily and nonpros more easily. Anyway, the point is for others to hopefully learn from my experience. The smartest move is to not drink with girls. It's also smartest to not trust anyone ever or at least for a long time. But the name of the game with this hobby is risk management and choosing the level of risk you are comfortable with. After all, if you want to be 100% safe and have a completely safe sex life, stay in your house in your home country and mastrubate with a helmet on in case you fall.

I meant friends with benefits when using amigos con derechos. As you pointed out I made a grammatical mistake. My Spanish is very good but by no means perfect.[/QUOTE]Not to drink with girls is the right call. You can always drink with your buddies or alone or after she leaves. You should be survive 1 to 2 hours without drinking. The girls can drink all they want.

If I get thirsty, I usually have a few water bottles in my refrigerator and I drink from one and then put it back in the refrigerator among the 2 or 4 already there so you can't really tell which bottle I am drinking from.

As for sharing the same drink, as soon as she drinks from it, she can easily drug it when you don't pay attention and then when you drink from it, it's over. Definitely not a great strategy at all.

Stay safe. Don't drink with your girl. Go out later with your buddies or alone.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2925601]On reflection a final thing that is important is that nonpros are just as big a risk if not bigger sometimes than pros. [/QUOTE]What is your definition of nonpros? Mine is chicks that are not hookers and are not expecting money after having sex. With my definition, I have been through more nonpros in Colombia than a little bit over the last 20 years. I would say my risk of being drugged from them was zero. This is normal chicks with normal jobs and families. I am not speaking of someone that has popped out of the barrio with a bunch of tattoos ready to party and only wants "taxi money". I am talking about someone that has to be at work or school tomorrow morning at 8 am.

Very true. In my very slight defense, I didn't volunteer the info to her that I was seeing someone else. I just told her I had plans. Later, she asked me point blank are you seeing someone else and I admitted I was. I don't love lying, but probably should have in that case. I tend to stack dates because girls do flake or sometimes the girl is boring or not a good match and you want to bail as well. After all, I'm visiting, not living here, and I only have so much time. I did have a GF in Medellin for a while and while I was with her I didn't do shit with any other women. So I'm serious and very respectful when I like someone. But I like to say that dating is a numbers game until it isn't.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2925603]Honestly, you just did something monumentally stupid and that's it. It's literally dating 101 to not tell girls you're seeing that you there are other girls in the mix. If the girl is a non-pro, treat it like you would if you were dating a normie back home, which is to keep everything separate until you're ready to commit to one girl or if you're good with the girl seeing other dudes on the side. Truthfully, it's disrespectful to your date to go see another chick a few hours later, so keep it to yourself. Most girls, everywhere on Earth, are not going to feel good about going on a date with a guy that is going to bang another chick later that night.

For any guy that is trying to date and go after non-pros in Colombia, don't expect the girls to accept you walking around as a playboy, hitting on every girl, being unfaithful, etc. Just because you open up your wallet from time to time. Stick with the pros; get a stable of girls who know what's going on, understand the pfp arrangement, and are less likely to catch serious feelings. As is the case with women all across the world, once they catch those feelings, that relationship has changed irreparably.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2925607]I didn't mean to be a grammer cop, but I mixed those two words up in using taxis in Medellin. The use "derecho" to say straight ahead, and "a la derecha" for a right hand turn. So the distinction can help you direct your taxi or have you not turning when you should, or going straight when you meant turn. And "amigos con derechos" is a whole other can of worms. LOL.[/QUOTE]Amigas con beneficios would be what I would say. To avoid confusing right and straight ahead, a lot of Spanish speakers use 'derechito' for straight ahead.

[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2925552]S

Well I reached out to her and she agreed to 300 k hour and all night 700 k if we had good chemistry. Always the phrasing I use.

Anyway guys this is huge.

Couple rules here are.

Clubs are just for what's app contacts.

[/QUOTE]Right on. That's never failed me going to places like Gustos. Get their WhatApp and contact them the next day and 300 k or less is no problem. If you absolutely have to do them that night when you meet them in the club, you'll likely have to pay up.

I also like the way you told her you'd do all night for X amount if you had good chemistry. Test drive short time is always a good idea before committing to more time together.

[URL]https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amigos_con_derechos[/URL]

Amigos con derechos is the commonly used term in many parts of latam. My mistake was gender-based I. E. Derechas instead of derechos.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2925707]Amigas con beneficios would be what I would say. To avoid confusing right and straight ahead, a lot of Spanish speakers use 'derechito' for straight ahead.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Recondite;2925759][URL]https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amigos_con_derechos[/URL]

Amigos con derechos is the commonly used term in many parts of latam. My mistake was gender-based I. E. Derechas instead of derechos.[/QUOTE]Understood. I've heard both, as well as amigos sin compromiso (s). You can see from the movie title translations, it's pretty regional. The 'a roce' part, guessing you would not hear that outside of Spain.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2925213]Be carefully drinking generally with women here. Don't let them set the pace. I made a mistake last weekend that was a real wakeup call for me personally, so I'll share. I date a bunch here as well as seeing some pros. Anyway I invited a girl to lunch last Saturday, and also had a date set up that night. Things went really well with the first girl. We got along well, good convo, to the point we went to a bar and were kissing. Eventually the convo turned to going back to my place. I'd told her that I had plans that night and as we were arriving at my place she asked if I was seeing another woman. I admitted yes but that I wanted to spend more time with her as we were getting along. Anyway she said cool and let's order some aguardiente and dance. The mistake I made with her there was letting her set the pace drinking. I was probably being a bit macho but some of these girls can drink and she could dance too. So I let myself get carried away. I was keeping an eye and serving but she was pushing to do another and another shot. Anyway I got pretty drunk with her over a couple hours and was not thinking of the other date at all at that point. She said she wanted to take some pictures with me on my phone and did. Before you know it she's messaging the girl I was supposed to see from my phone saying I'm too drunk to go out and sending her a photo of her and I kissing. I get the feeling she was jealous and wanted to cock block me. But I was pretty clearly played by her. Luckily she didn't steal anything or harm me. But she could have. She even apologized the next day. But my mistake was thinking 1) aguardiente isn't that strong and 2) a little 120 pound woman couldn't outdrink me. Lessons are 1) don't get pressured into drinking heavily here by anyone especially if you don't know them. Colombians love to drink and can apply peer pressure pretty hard. 2) Don't be a dumbass like me and tell a girl you are going on another date after seeing her (women here can be super jealous and sometimes a little crazy). 3) Be careful generally. I've spent a bunch of time in Colombia and generally think I'm pretty safe. But I fuck up from time to time as well. The point is to learn from your mistakes and also the mistakes of others. I've never been robbed here or been in any uncomfortable situations. I've also had some amazing experiences and made some great connections.[/QUOTE]I don't think you made any mistakes. When I feel the vibe I just go with the flow and enjoy it. However I never get totally drunk and always fully aware of what's going on. The fact that you did that, I'd say that's enough and same thing with instincts as you can tell who's a decent / normal girl vs a sneaky one that would rob you. Most guys who get drugged to tell the tale usually admits they themselves noticed the red flags and ignored them. Didn't sound like you noticed any major flags.

The pic sending thing is normal, LOL. Seriously girls are petty and they do that. If anything that'll get you more play as your 2nd date will know you have options. It is a thing.

Even with all the bad news locally you still have to enjoy your life a bit. Live with no regrets, just control the odds a bit more next time and your straight. Back in town this Weekend and my wives are all line up LOL. Lets go!!

[QUOTE=Combo;2925746]Right on. That's never failed me going to places like Gustos. Get their WhatApp and contact them the next day and 300 k or less is no problem. If you absolutely have to do them that night when you meet them in the club, you'll likely have to pay up.

I also like the way you told her you'd do all night for X amount if you had good chemistry. Test drive short time is always a good idea before committing to more time together.[/QUOTE]I prefer to turn a long time into a short time if it's not going well.

Alright, my buddy and I need help.

I've been coming here for four years and he's been living here for six months in a very committed relationship with a beautiful Colombian.

Tomorrow, he has his first six hour window of freedom in six months. He badly needs a break from his commitment.

Here's the problem, I've seriously done it all. Probably not all. But I can't decide what's the best option for this tiny window. Take him to casas? He hates el Centro and street walkers. Just looking for any ideas to jog the ol party bank. We're looking to make a memory.

Thank you all. Sorry that you have to put up with my brain fart.

[QUOTE=ChicagoMan;2926184]Alright, my buddy and I need help.

I've been coming here for four years and he's been living here for six months in a very committed relationship with a beautiful Colombian.

Tomorrow, he has his first six hour window of freedom in six months. He badly needs a break from his commitment.

Here's the problem, I've seriously done it all. Probably not all. But I can't decide what's the best option for this tiny window. Take him to casas? He hates el Centro and street walkers. Just looking for any ideas to jog the ol party bank. We're looking to make a memory.

Thank you all. Sorry that you have to put up with my brain fart.[/QUOTE]Stay in and drink or go out and eat an expensive meal.

This is a test and she will absolutely know if he has been cheating.

Its not unusual for Colombian relationship cheaters to be shot in the head and their organs sold to make up for wasted time. LOL.

She will do the leche test.

[QUOTE=Bill;2926315]Stay in and drink or go out and eat an expensive meal.

This is a test and she will absolutely know if he has been cheating.

Its not unusual for Colombian relationship cheaters to be shot in the head and their organs sold to make up for wasted time. LOL.[/QUOTE]

Even more to think about. Who's cheating on who. LOL.

[QUOTE=Bill;2926315]Stay in and drink or go out and eat an expensive meal.

This is a test and she will absolutely know if he has been cheating.

Its not unusual for Colombian relationship cheaters to be shot in the head and their organs sold to make up for wasted time. LOL.[/QUOTE].

I'd agree with your definition in principle. In my experience, girls fit on a whole spectrum from pro as hell (I. E., USD per hour), though she's buying me drinks and small gifts and has paid for all her own transportation. Where I personally draw the line between nonpro and semipro is whether I'm strictly paying her car and babysitter or she's happy to take a little more money. If I ask her how much she needs for her taxi and babysitter after sex and she comes back with "da me lo que quieres," then she's getting into semipro or, as I like to say, postpago, territory. Now, I think many Colombian women wouldn't see it this way. There is a common culture here of boyfriends or guys paying for nails, hair, etc. But I see it this way, and you do, too.

Also, you are 100% right about the correlation between her having a job (I won't even go out with a girl on a date if she's unemployed), what barrio she lives in, and overall appearance (I. E. How conservatively does she dress, how many tattoos and what size, and being a good girl/nonpro that is a safer date. But I honed in on these things over time as I got more familiar with Medellin and Colombia.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2925645]What is your definition of nonpros? Mine is chicks that are not hookers and are not expecting money after having sex. With my definition, I have been through more nonpros in Colombia than a little bit over the last 20 years. I would say my risk of being drugged by them was zero. This is normal chicks with normal jobs and families. I am not speaking of someone that has popped out of the barrio with a bunch of tattoos ready to party and only wants "taxi money". I am talking about someone that has to be at work or school tomorrow morning at 8 am.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bill;2926315]Stay in and drink or go out and eat an expensive meal.

This is a test and she will absolutely know if he has been cheating.

Its not unusual for Colombian relationship cheaters to be shot in the head and their organs sold to make up for wasted time. LOL.[/QUOTE]I know you're joking, but I agree with this view. If it's legitimately a committed relationship and he wants it to continue that way, why risk her finding out? There's a good chance she will try to get someone to watch / follow you.

[QUOTE=ChicagoMan;2926184]Alright, my buddy and I need help.

I've been coming here for four years and he's been living here for six months in a very committed relationship with a beautiful Colombian.

Tomorrow, he has his first six hour window of freedom in six months. He badly needs a break from his commitment.

Here's the problem, I've seriously done it all. Probably not all. But I can't decide what's the best option for this tiny window. Take him to casas? He hates el Centro and street walkers. Just looking for any ideas to jog the ol party bank. We're looking to make a memory.

Thank you all. Sorry that you have to put up with my brain fart.[/QUOTE]Now his girlfriend has a 6 hour window of opportunity. If he needs a break from his commitment then she definitely needs a break from him and she is happy that he will be gone for 6 hours so she can have her fun too and Pablo has been waiting for her to signal that the time is right. Take your friend to a case so he can pick from a line up of his choosing. Tell him to try not to think about what his girlfriend will be doing while he's gone and just to focus on the mission at hand. Tell him to wash up good afterwards because condoms can leave a distinct smell on your private parts and the girlfriend will definitely know this from her own experience.

I am writing this report more than 2 weeks after the fact, but better late than never, I suppose.

My return flight from Lima on Thursday, June 13th had a long layover in Medellin, one that became much longer thanks to the flooding in Ft. Lauderdale which caused the Florida Governor to declare a state of emergency. The next available flight was in the wee hours of the morning on Saturday, June 15th. I was actually a bit amused by the situation, as there are many worse places to be stranded than Medellin on a Thursday & Friday night. But there are also better places as well.

The immigration line was chock full of foreigners. Any foreigner who visits Medellin finds out very soon after arrival that this city is not happy to see you. They have no problem making you stand for up to 2 hours in line just to get your passport stamped. With little to no air conditioning, no food, no water, and no bathroom (unless you want to lose your place in line). There are six customs agents who perform the task of manually processing a line of hundreds of foreigners. It almost seems at times like they want to make the experience as slow and painful as possible to deter people from coming to the city. I honestly believe that it would be faster and more comfortable in many cases to fly directly to Bogota or Cartagena from a foreign location just to go through immigration (which takes just a few minutes) and then hop on a domestic flight to Medellin. I would be willing to bet someone who did that could make it to MDE ground transportation sooner than a person who flew directly to Medellin and landed at around 1:00 pm.

How is it that cities like Bogota and Lima with many times more population and visitors can process foreigners in just a matter of minutes? I spent over an hour and a half in the immigration line in Medellin and there were many people behind me who had to wait longer than that. The message is pretty clear. Medellin is, at best, ambivalent about whether you spend your tourist dollars in their city. At worst, they would prefer that you turn around and go back home. I was really amazed at the number of foreigners who stood in line and waited for what seemed like an eternity with smiles on their faces, like they were about to enter Disney World. If the immigration officials told them to drop their pants and spin around in a circle ten times while jumping, they probably would have gladly done it. Wise up, folks. There are many better places in world to visit than a city that openly has contempt for tourists.

But being stuck as I was, I really had no choice. I sucked it up and made it through the line.

As far as getting to the city, I have become quite fond of riding the bus to the San Diego Centro Comericial for 15 k pesos. It is as fast as the taxi, nearly as comfortable, and no need to make small talk. It is about a 200 meter walk from the bus stop to the Centro Comercial, but once you get there you have plenty of options to grab a bite to eat, buy water, snacks and other essentials from the Exito, and exchange currency. The best rate I found was at Euro Servicios at the north end. They offered 3. 82 mil per dollar at a time when the "official" rate shown on Google was 4. 145 mil per dollar. Wasn't thrilled about it, but it was better than the rate I get at my bank at home and way better than the rate offered at the airport.

The taxi or Uber to your hotel should not cost more than 20 k pesos, so in all it saves a good 70-80 k pesos to hop on the bus, which basically pays for dinner and the Exito trip itself. And of course the bus stores your luggage for the trip, so you are riding in relative comfort and safety. It makes a lot of sense. The only downside is there is no air-conditioning on the bus, so make sure to sit by a cracked window. (Also no air conditioning in most Medellin Ubers, and it is rarely sweltering hot, so not a huge drawback).

Gusto's: I figured I would check out the scene at Gusto's Bar in Lleras Park for Thursday night. I was kept away by rain during my first pass through Medellin earlier in the month. It was raining again on the 13th, but I borrowed an umbrella from the hotel. I arrived a little before 11 pm and I don't recall being charged a cover at the door. It is usually 20 k pesos.

Many chicas inside (probably 25-30) and a very favorable chica to guy ratio with the guys being in the single digits. I sat beside another American guy at the bar and we both bought a bottle of water for around 18 k pesos. I scanned the room but did not see any chicas that looked like amateurs or semi-pros. They all looked like hardcore pros, staring at me with dollar signs in their eyes. One chica who was built like Kim Khardashian and dressed in a cute little jumpsuit outfit caught my eye and seemed at least mildly friendly so I invited her over to sit by me. We chatted for a little while and she asked me to buy her a drink. I usually don't do that, but she seemed nice enough so I figured what the heck. Cost was 42 k. One nice thing about Gusto's is they have a professional DJ so the music and vibe is top notch (but deafening). My chica began dancing and grinding against me, which I very much enjoyed and made the drink I bought her seem worth it. Soon she proposed going to my hotel for three hours for 1. 2 million pesos. I said how about one hour for 400 k. She countered with 500 k and I kind of shrugged. I said I probably wanted to go to some other clubs first. She said let's go, and I followed her out of the club and downstairs. When we got downstairs, I suggested we go to one of the clubs across the street. She was much more interested in going back to my hotel. At that point, I was very sure that I did not want to take this girl back to my hotel. She was a very pretty high end WG, maybe early 30's, at least an 8 on most scales. But her body was way to curvy for my tastes. A nice tight stomach and cute face but with Beyonce or Kim Khardashian type proportions. And I could tell by her personality that she was way too experienced and was likely to be either trouble or poor service. So there was zero chance she was coming back with me.

I told her that it was late and I was probably going to just go back to my hotel and rest. The chica felt like I was scared she was going to drug me, so she started telling me how she was very safe and she knew the owner of Gusto's, who she said was a foreigner himself, and that all the girls there are safe. She also said she couldn't return to the club after walking out. I apologized but told her that was really not my problem. She immediately reduced the price to 400 k. I told her it still was a "no" for me. Around that time, she gestured for one of the door guys at Gusto's to come over and join the conversation. I explained to him that I was tired and planned to go back to the hotel alone. He said ok, but you should at least tip the girl for her time. I told him I already bought her a drink at the bar so that was my tip. He suggested I tip her 100 k pesos. For what? That pissed me off. I said how about 20 k pesos. He laughed and said 20 k is nothing, like $5 man. I said ok, how about 10 k pesos. Same reaction. So I pulled a crisp 5 k peso note out of my wallet and offered it to her. She backed away from it like it was a pair of dirty underwear. I put the note back in wallet. She then turned to the guy and asked if she should call the police. I tried hard not to smirk as the guy gave her an incredulous look and told her that no one should call the police. Did she really think the police were going to come and scold or arrest me for NOT engaging in temporarily banned prostitution? That comment just confirmed that I 100% made the right decision by not going any further with that chica. I told both of them feliz noche, and turned and walked out of the park.

Needless to say, I don't advise doing what I did, especially if you plan to returning to the area soon. There is no way of knowing what kind of connections a chica has and it's never a good idea to piss people off when in a foreign country. I don't plan on going back to Gusto's again any time in the near future. But it did feel quite satisfying to give the proverbial middle finger to two entitled Colombians who saw me as just another dumb tourist to be shaken down.

Fase II: After leaving Parque Lleras, I grabbed a bite to eat and then headed to Fase II for the second time in as many weeks. I arrived at around 1:00 am And the talent level was much higher than I had ever seen it. After paying a 40 k cover, I bought my standard 10 k bottle and sat down on a bar stool right between two chicas who, in all honesty probably could both push for being 9's on some scale. One was an absolute stunner, tall and fit with what looked to be Asian features and piercing eyes. She could easily have been a professional model. I chatted with her for a while, and she tried to fake some enthusiasm, but it soon became clear to me that she had zero interest in anything but my money. She claimed to be burned and raised in Medellin and said she was 100% paisa. Doubtful. I sensed she was just going through the motions and completely lost interest.

So I swiveled in my chair and began talking to the other 9 sitting on my left, who seemed quite a bit more eager for my attention. She was slim and was wearing a classy but revealing evening dress with short hair that ended just below her jaw. Imagine a very young version of Morena Baccarin. Very light skin; she almost looked more European than Latina. She told me she was a 24-year-old college student majoring in fashion design. That made a lot of sense given her dress and hair style. She had a very classy and sophisticated air. Claimed to have been born raised in Medellin. (Doubtful.) We started talking about the places we had visited and she told me how she had been to Italy and showed me several pictures. Talked about how the fashion designs she saw in Italy inspired her. All of this was in Spanish, of course. Neither of these chicas spoke one word of English. But having been in Latin America for about two weeks at this point, my Spanish ability was really starting to peak and I was actually enjoying having some pretty engaging conversations. Neither of the girls asked me to buy them a drink, which I appreciated. Of course, the entire time we talked, I was having to tip the dancers who made their rounds after coming off stage, 2 k to 4 k pesos each. I would estimate I shelled out 18 k pesos in tips.

Well, we talked for probably 45 minutes, and what happened next was against my better judgment but completely inevitable. I ended up taking her to the back room for the standard 400 k pesos. There just was simply no way I could pass up a young, pretty and intelligent college girl who had traveled the world. She was a very different type of girl than I was used to meeting in Medellin, and a very different look than I was used to seeing in Latin America. So I had to sample.

The process at Fase II is to pay 400 k at the end of the bar, then go through a backdoor into a open hallway type area with what appear to be hotel rooms and a front desk. The girl gets a key from the front desk, and a condom I think, and then you both proceed to the assigned room. In the room, I went down on her with the dental dam for what seemed like an eternity, with little noticeable effect on her. She then gave a very spirited covered blowjob, keeping eye contact with me almost the entire time. We fucked in missionary and doggie, but when any illusion that she was enjoying sex vanished when I pulled out and changed condoms. She started to get in the shower, and I was confused. Are we done? She said that her job was "over" after one condom. I told her that I usually go through multiple condoms. By this point, her demeanor had entirely changed from warm (at the bar), to luke warm (on the way to the room), to frosty. She lectured me on how that's not allowed at Fase II. After some back and forth, she did seem to feel bad for me and offered to continue with the second condom but emphasized that I needed to finish very soon. So I give her credit for that. She started blowing me again, but my mood was already shot. No way I was going to be able to meet her strict time demands, so why even start. I told her it was fine and let's just end it. I walked out of the room feeling unsatisfied, disappointed, and sad. Sad that I had once again been duped into shelling out money for a meaningless and unsatisfying experience. I didn't even ask her for her WhatsApp, which is a very low bar for me. I just did not want to see that girl again. She blew me a kiss as she walked back into the bar, and I reluctantly returned the gesture. I got an Uber and returned to the hotel, feeling down and defeated.

Bottom line, Fase II and Gusto's are just not the places for me. They are kind of the epitome of everything that is wrong with the oversaturated Medellin mongering scene. Fase II would have been a fine option if I had just gone there just to talk to girls. The conversation with the second girl was great and I was enjoying my time. However, taking her to the back room was a mistake. A complete waste of money that dented my confidence and morale. Pretty sad when the only thing that ruins your night is getting laid. It is another lesson learned though, and seeing the difference between the girl at Fase II and the girls in Lima taught me quite a bit about the type of girls I enjoy having sex with and the type of girls I would be better off to avoid. The difference between me stumbling out of Room 32 at Lima's Las Sirenitas chongo, punch drunk with satisfaction and oozing swagger and confidence, and coming out of the room at Fase II, sad and disillusioned, is just so stark. But hey, mongering can't be all rainbows and butterflies. Hard lessons must be learned.

Total damage for the night at both clubs, including drinks and Uber fare: 580 k pesos. Total number of nuts: zero. Talent level: high and plentiful. Satisfaction: low.

El Centro: On Friday, I decided to make my first mongering excursion to El Centro in the heart of Medellin. I had been to Plaza Botero before, but only to sight-see with my girlfriend.

I arrived at around 5:45 at Plaza Botero. On the way there, my Uber driver drove through the barrio just north of the Plaza, called Estacion Villa. It was probably the roughest looking place I've ever been through. Garbage piled up on the street, homeless and deranged looking people wandering everywhere. It made the homeless area in Santa Fe, Bogota look very tame in comparison. As we got closer to Botero, the environment cleared up a bit. Once I got out of the Uber, I walked along the north side of Botero and saw only two chicas who *might* have been WGs. Both looked like they were in their 40's, probably homeless, and one was squatting down with her dress pulled up to her knees and was taking a piss in a sewer drain not far from one of the statues. That told me all I needed to know about the streetwalker scene in that area.

I proceeded on to a bar that has been described in this thread as Conejitas. The bar has apparently been renamed "Hilton Grill". I went inside and found a stage with a pole and two chicas sitting at the tables. The prices at the bar were shockingly cheap. A bottle of water cost 5 k pesos. I think a beer cost 6 k or 7 k. If you really wanted to splurge and buy a "lady drink" - una bebida dama. That would set you back a whopping 8 k. I talked briefly to one of the chicas. She said that 100 k pesos buys 30 minutes of sex in the back room. I probably could have gotten the price lower but she had a cold personality and I wasn't interested. I confirmed that more chicas would show up later in the evening and promised to return.

I then took an Uber to visit the fabled "New Life Casa" - a brothel so famous among Medellin mongers that it has its own thread in this forum. For you fine gentlemen who have visited this establishment, I have just one question for you. Where the hell is it? I vaguely remember reading a post on this forum many moons ago that it was difficult to find and not to trust Google. Well, I trusted Google. I went to exactly where "New Life" appears on Google Maps. CL. 66 C #41 A 26. I ended up at what appeared to be someone's house, right at the moment the resident was arriving home with his girlfriend. He asked if he could help me. (Very nice guy, I shudder to imagine how someone in the US would react if a stranger showed up on their doorstep in pitch darkness). He directed me down the street and up a steep hill. I went down a dark alley and ran into three guys. They directed me back to where I was before. I walked in circles for several minutes. Many people in the area, many taxis, but zero places that looked like they could be brothels. Was this place even open at 6:45 pm? I didn't know. I eventually gave up and took a taxi back to Botero.

I returned to Hilton Grill a little after 7 pm and two chicas had become nine chicas. There were about the same number of guys, most of them looked like working class local Colombians. One of the chicas was Asian with glasses, probably mid to late 30's, and she seemed desperate for my attention. I was not interested. The other eight showed no interest in me at all. Not even a flirtatious glance. One was pretty good looking, maybe a 6, but I couldn't get her attention.

One of the girls took the stage and performed a pretty good nude pole dance to music. I ordered a beer and took in the laid back atmosphere. It was probably the grittiest bar I've been to in Latin America. The place did not even have a bathroom. Just two urinals against the wall with a three-foot high wall surrounding it, so that you were completely visible to everyone in the room from the waist up. It was the first time I've ever taken a piss in plain view of a room full of people. I can only imagine what the back room was like, but I didn't stick around long enough to find out. I called an Uber and headed to Laureles.

Having not blown my load in 48 hours, and with my time and options dwindling, I went to my old trusty watering hole, Luna Lunera Club. You will read many glowing reports about Luna Lunera in this thread, and rest assured that those men know what they are talking about. After you have wandered around wasting time and money and being disappointed by every other dead end or mongering tourist trap in the city, Luna Lunera is like an Oasis in the desert. I forget what the cover charge is. Maybe 25 k pesos. But whatever it is, it is a bargain if you come at the right time. The place is open 24 hours so you are never out of luck. I think during low times there is no cover.

As far as I know, the only club in Medellin that actually likes to see foreigners and cares about giving them a good experience is Luna Lunera. The man at the door, who I suppose is the owner, greets you warmly like you are extended family. The staff is courteous. The atmosphere is clean and relaxing (but no entertainment and not much music). And the chicas. Well, the chicas range from very doable to smoking hot, as ol' Tom Jackin might say.

The prices are not cheap, but still reasonable. It used to be a standard 300 k for one hour with a chica in one of the rooms upstairs. But like all things in Medellin, the price has recently increased with inflation. It now costs 310 k pesos for one hour.

Let me give you fellas a free piece of advice. The place you want to be in Medellin on Friday night, at exactly 8 pm, is at Luna Lunera Club. I didn't know this until my recently visit, but apparently 8 pm is the start of the night shift. And they don't just trot them out one at time. Oh no. They open the flood gates.

So when I showed up just before 8, there were a couple chicas who came in at the same time as me. One was smoking hot and smiled flirtatiously at me as she walked in. I definitely had my sights set on her from the ggages. I went into the bar area, bought a Smirnoff and sat down and talked to the only chica in the room at the time. She was pretty good looking and I bought her a drink. We chatted for a bit. Turns out her shift was just ending and she left. A minute later, right at 8:00, about a dozen gorgeous chicas in bikinis walked into the room. I was the only guy there and I felt like damn Hugh Hefner. I picked one out to talk to. She was cute, nice enough, and very doable. But just as we were getting to know each other, the girl who caught my eye at the door walked in the room with her friend. I am generally pretty polite, but I was going to get what I wanted that night. I called her over to sit with me and the girl I was talking with. The girl I was talking with suggested we do a 3-some, but I wasn't falling for that one. I told them I only had enough energy for one, and that since I saw the girl at the door first, it was only fair to choose her. The other girl acted very polite and told me it was fine, but I sensed she was pissed off and jealous. I really didn't care. She'll get over it.

So I took my favorite girl upstairs. I love the rooms at Luna Lunera. They are spacious with big beds, a mirror, and a TV. They have adequate bathrooms and showers and some faint neon lights that give the room a very sexy feel and sets the mood. I always feel like I am in an amateur porn film when I am in there.

The girl I chose was an absolute gem. She does not blow you away when she is fully clothed, but her body is so on point. Full be+ Cup natural tits and a soft perfectly shaped ass. A cute angelic face straight out of an erotic modeling set. She has a light skin tone but black features, sort of like Zendaya. Can't be a day over 22. Probably one of the top 5 hottest girls I've ever banged. I'll give why'all her name if you happen to stop by there: Angelica.

Any way, we had a very nice session. She clearly was not that into sex with me, or maybe she was just inexperienced or shy. I was fine with that. Blowjob was covered. Some girls there will blow you uncovered of you ask for that before you go to the room. Sex was covered too, of course. I didn't bother going down on her with the dental dam, so I didn't warm her up properly. But after all the crap I had been through the night before, I was focused on getting my pleasure from this girl without any BS. So I just dove right in without warming her up. She took it like a champ and was very eager to please. I can tell you that when I was balls deep inside of her, with that cute basket-ball sized bubble butt slapping against me, I was on Cloud 9. I also fucked her laying on the side while holding her tits. Just the feel of her perfectly soft tits and ass was worth the price of admission. The tight pussy was just a bonus. And about 30 minutes in, I reached a glorious climax in doggy style.

My understanding is that, most of the time at Luna Lunera, the girl will let you have as many shots as you want in the allotted hour. I don't know if Anjelica would have allowed that, because I was totally spent. I got her WhatsApp and may hit her up the next time I am in town. I generally prefer nympho type girls and don't go back to the ones who don't seem to enjoy sex or be particularly attracted to me. But I'd be willing to make an exception for this girl. That's if she's still on the market when I return, which I kind of doubt.

So needless to say, I flew back home later that night feeling very satisfied in spite of striking out at my first four stops in the city. When all else fails in Medellin, when your wallet is light as a feather and your balls are turning a light shade of blue, head to Luna Lunera!

And if any of you guys know a place similar to Luna Lunera in one of the less touristy barrios of Medellin (or another Colombian city) for about half the price, please advise! Along with directions to New Life casa.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926426] "New Life" appears on Google Maps. CL. 66 C #41 A 26. [/QUOTE]It's 56. Not 66. It's a day time place. You probably missed 90% of SG scene based on your description. You messed up on Conejitas. Those are two different bars. There is another popular one Grill Nueva Avenida a few doors down Conejitas on the same block

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2926424]Tell him to wash up good afterwards because condoms can leave a distinct smell on your private parts and the girlfriend will definitely know this from her own experience.[/QUOTE]But he better bring soap from his place. You think his girlfriend will not know if he has used a different soap? Also, that would make him smell too fresh. So he had better jog in place for about 15 minutes after washing up. Myself, I used to bathe in my car's exhaust before going home. My dad kept a bottle of liquor under the seat in his truck and would always take a swig before going into the house whether he had been drinking or not.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926426]I honestly believe that it would be faster and more comfortable in many cases to fly directly to Bogota or Cartagena from a foreign location just to go through immigration (which takes just a few minutes) and then hop on a domestic flight to Medellin. I would be willing to bet someone who did that could make it to MDE ground transportation sooner than a person who flew directly to Medellin and landed at around 1:00 pm.

How is it that cities like Bogota and Lima with many times more population and visitors can process foreigners in just a matter of minutes?[/QUOTE]Either you have not been to Bogota in a long time or you just happened to arrive at a lucky time. Even in the old airport that was a much smaller room, it was as slow as it is today. Not unusual for it to take an hour and a half to get through that line.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926426]I am writing this report more than 2 weeks after the fact, but better late than never, I suppose.

My return flight from Lima on Thursday, June 13th had a long layover in Medellin, one that became much longer thanks to the flooding in Ft. Lauderdale which caused the Florida Governor to declare a state of emergency. The next available flight was in the wee hours of the morning on Saturday, June 15th. I was actually a bit amused by the situation, as there are many worse places to be stranded than Medellin on a Thursday & Friday night. But there are also better places as well.

The immigration line was chock full of foreigners. Any foreigner who visits Medellin finds out very soon after arrival that this city is not happy to see you. They have no problem making you stand for up to 2 hours in line just to get your passport stamped. With little to no air conditioning, no food, no water, and no bathroom (unless you want to lose your place in line). There are six customs agents who perform the task of manually processing a line of hundreds of foreigners. It almost seems at times like they want to make the experience as slow and painful as possible to deter people from coming to the city.[/QUOTE]This is a great report. And I don't mean this in any offensive way. My friend who travels to Colombia all the time as well is the exact same way.

But an issue you're having is that you're not accepting the fact this is the new Colombia. The one that has been infused with the western ways. Meaning that 100 usd or 400 mil isn't viewed the same way anymore. Parque Lleras is like Miami now. 200 usd use to get tln and on a weekend now will only get you an hour with a girl at Gustos.

Fase Dos and La Isla girls are the same. Friendly until they get their money.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2926511]Either you have not been to Bogota in a long time or you just happened to arrive at a lucky time. Even in the old airport that was a much smaller room, it was as slow as it is today. Not unusual for it to take an hour and a half to get through that line.[/QUOTE]Really. I was in Bogota in February and April. I don't think I waited 10 minutes either time.

In February, I arrived at 1:15 pm on a Sunday and in April I arrived at noon on a Saturday. Maybe that's the sweet spot or maybe I was just lucky. But I was shocked at how easy it was to get through immigration. On the way out in February, I didn't even need to see an officer, just scanned my passport in a machine. Took less than a minute.

Maybe one day my luck will run out in Bogota, but right now Medellin is right up there with Manila on my list of airports I want to avoid.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2926497]It's 56. Not 66. It's a day time place. You probably missed 90% of SG scene based on your description. You messed up on Conejitas. Those are two different bars. There is another popular one Grill Nueva Avenida a few doors down Conejitas on the same block[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. Google really screwed me up. I looked for similar clubs on that street (Avenida Cundenamarca) near Hilton Grill, but they all looked like regular bars. What street is Conejitas and Avenida Nueva on? I will say that my taxi was driving me toward Laureles at around 7:40 pm, I did notice some street walkers leaned up against the outside of some bars on the street just to the northwest of Botero (Carrera 54). But it was too late at that point. I also did a sweep of all 4 corners of Botero park before getting in the taxi. Maybe 3 chicas standing idly who looked pretty rough. I was expecting to see them in standing in clusters and strolling around like in Poblado. Nothing like that. Maybe Poblado is where they all went after sundown on Friday evening, but they sure weren't in Parque Botero proper around 7:30 pm.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926426]Around that time, she gestured for one of the door guys at Gusto's to come over and join the conversation. I explained to him that I was tired and planned to go back to the hotel alone. He said ok, but you should at least tip the girl for her time. I told him I already bought her a drink at the bar so that was my tip. He suggested I tip her 100 k pesos. For what? That pissed me off. I said how about 20 k pesos. He laughed and said 20 k is nothing, like $5 man. I said ok, how about 10 k pesos. Same reaction. So I pulled a crisp 5 k peso note out of my wallet and offered it to her. She backed away from it like it was a pair of dirty underwear. I put the note back in wallet. She then turned to the guy and asked if she should call the police. I tried hard not to smirk as the guy gave her an incredulous look and told her that no one should call the police. Did she really think the police were going to come and scold or arrest me for NOT engaging in temporarily banned prostitution? That comment just confirmed that I 100% made the right decision by not going any further with that chica. I told both of them feliz noche, and turned and walked out of the park.

Needless to say, I don't advise doing what I did, especially if you plan to returning to the area soon. There is no way of knowing what kind of connections a chica has and it's never a good idea to piss people off when in a foreign country. I don't plan on going back to Gusto's again any time in the near future. But it did feel quite satisfying to give the proverbial middle finger to two entitled Colombians who saw me as just another dumb tourist to be shaken down.[/QUOTE]So during your stay at Gusto's you paid a grand total of $15 usd. The drink for the girl which was her tip in your mind. How is she going to pay the bills with that? How is the bar owner making any money here? You then asked her out but changed your mind when you were outside with her. I actually totally agree with that girl and the door guy that you should have tipped her something. Sure, 100 k is too much but 20 k is quite cheap too, regarding the fact you had her leave the bar. Of course I kind of understand your sentiment but Gusto's (or any other bar) could close their business if everybody was cheap like you.

Also it seems you were looking for GFE. Gusto's definitely not the place for that. There are quite often some hotties available but they're all hardcore. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is when you're looking for GFE.

And like others said, I've had times at Bogota airport where I had to stand over 1.5 hour in line. It's not just Medellin. I'll agree though that it would be in everybody's interest to just put 2 more workers at the counters.

Nice to read these fail reports in the MDE thread.

Too many newbies think MDE is a "like shooting fish in a barrel" destination. it is not. LOL.

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2926578]So during your stay at Gusto's you paid a grand total of $15 usd. The drink for the girl which was her tip in your mind. How is she going to pay the bills with that? How is the bar owner making any money here? You then asked her out but changed your mind when you were outside with her. I actually totally agree with that girl and the door guy that you should have tipped her something. Sure, 100 k is too much but 20 k is quite cheap too, regarding the fact you had her leave the bar. Of course I kind of understand your sentiment but Gusto's (or any other bar) could close their business if everybody was cheap like you.
[/QUOTE]Shit. You act like he had her walk 3 blocks. They were right outside in front of the place. She could have walked right back in and tried her luck with the other 5 gringos that were left. She should have considered herself lucky by taking the 20 because I would have given her the same zero that she ended up with after trying to hustle him. At least she would have had transportation money, but greed put an end to that.

You know what else could close Gusto's doors? If them and the girls keep ripping people off the way they do. But neither the ownership nor the girls seem concerned about that. They see it as having an endless barrel of suckers on their hands. It is Colombia, not Miami (as Sang says they have turned it in to). That is why I stay well away from those gringo clip joints. I wish I would pay a broad for walking outside more than I would pay to actually fuck one in a casa.

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2926578]So during your stay at Gusto's you paid a grand total of $15 usd. The drink for the girl which was her tip in your mind. How is she going to pay the bills with that? How is the bar owner making any money here? You then asked her out but changed your mind when you were outside with her. I actually totally agree with that girl and the door guy that you should have tipped her something. Sure, 100 k is too much but 20 k is quite cheap too, regarding the fact you had her leave the bar. Of course I kind of understand your sentiment but Gusto's (or any other bar) could close their business if everybody was cheap like you.

Also it seems you were looking for GFE. Gusto's definitely not the place for that. There are quite often some hotties available but they're all hardcore. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is when you're looking for GFE.

And like others said, I've had times at Bogota airport where I had to stand over 1.5 hour in line. It's not just Medellin. I'll agree though that it would be in everybody's interest to just put 2 more workers at the counters.[/QUOTE]In a place like Gusto I can see them expecting something. Or any bar really. So what the right number is I guess depends on how much of her time you took up. It's worth something to just keep things happy. And 100 K. Again, depends on how much of her time you took up, but perhaps 50 K would have been a nice compromise. And entitled? Not necessarily. It costs them something to get in and to get dressed up for a place like Gustos, so not unreasonable to ask for something. Anyway, not a big deal, but having a happy ending to such encounters is worth something.

Hey yall.

I will be back in MDE in a few months. Pretty excited. I will be there for a week and I have been there earlier this year for a Bach party. Didn't get to sample enough so I want to go back.

What are the prices looking like? I know most of the places in lleras since that's where I stayed. I also went to la Isla where I was quoted 600 k for a girl to come back to my Airbnb for a few hours which isn't all that bad compared to some of the reports I read.

Most of the lleras girl quotes I got were 300/400 k but I made sure to say that I wanted MSOG. Got to be willing to negotiate! Most were cool with it.

How are the prices now? For lleras girls and places like fase2 La isla Luna lunera el centro clubs.

And how are they for TLN?

I'm going with newbies so I want to tell them accurate info.

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2926578]So during your stay at Gusto's you paid a grand total of $15 usd. The drink for the girl which was her tip in your mind. How is she going to pay the bills with that? How is the bar owner making any money here? You then asked her out but changed your mind when you were outside with her. I actually totally agree with that girl and the door guy that you should have tipped her something. Sure, 100 k is too much but 20 k is quite cheap too, regarding the fact you had her leave the bar. Of course I kind of understand your sentiment but Gusto's (or any other bar) could close their business if everybody was cheap like you.

Also it seems you were looking for GFE. Gusto's definitely not the place for that. There are quite often some hotties available but they're all hardcore. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is when you're looking for GFE.

And like others said, I've had times at Bogota airport where I had to stand over 1.5 hour in line. It's not just Medellin. I'll agree though that it would be in everybody's interest to just put 2 more workers at the counters.[/QUOTE]I understand your sentiment too, but to clarify, I did not ask her out. That's what she proposed. We did not leave immediately after discussing her rates, but some time after that once we finished our drinks and dancing. I did intend to go to another bar with her, but that changed once she got a little pushy about going straight to my hotel. At that point, I realized I was better off going my own way.

Could I have made it clear to her before we started walking out that leaving the bar with me does not guarantee that she will get paid anything? Sure. Could she have clarified to me that she was expecting some form of payment if she left with me? She could have.

If anything, I think the burden is more on her to clarify expectations. Because she is the professional who does this for a living. The likely reason she didn't her expectations clear is because she knows that ambiguity usually works in her favor when it comes to gringo tourists. It just didn't with me.

If she had told me, "wait, before we go outside, please understand that I expect you to pay me something extra for my time," there is a high chance I would passed and just left on my own. And she would have been left there to check her phone and try to fight off a swarm of competition for the few guys at the bar. But she didn't do that. I doubt she would do it the next time, either. It probably works out in her favor more often than it doesn't.

The problem was, once I decided that I was not interested, she should have been able to walk back into the bar and continue with her night. I can only assume that is what she was allowed to do, because our entire conversation took place in plain view of the 3 doormen at Gusto's. If there is some "rule" that she can't go back in, then Gusto's is to blame for that. Again, that was something she could have told me before she pulled me outside, but didn't. Given that she claimed to personally know the owner, I doubt she had any problem going back into the club that night.

I think 20 k is quite a generous tip for zero service. I forgot to mention that I tipped Anjelica 15 k at Luna Lunera after our session. I would have tipped more but that's all the bills I had smaller than a 50 k note. So why would I "tip" a pushy chica who has provided no service and I am trying to get rid of more than a chica who just gave me quality service and I plan to see again? Actually, why would I tip her anything at all? It makes no sense.

As for Gusto's closing because of guys like me, I'm pretty sure there are some guys on this forum which can tell you about a time not too long ago when the price for a chica was much more reasonable and the selection was just as good or better than it is now. Gusto's would still be thriving if all their customers were like me. But perhaps you might see fewer chicas who wear top-end designer clothing and sneeze on free 20 k notes. Not a big loss in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2926605]In a place like Gusto I can see them expecting something. Or any bar really. So what the right number is I guess depends on how much of her time you took up. It's worth something to just keep things happy. And 100 K. Again, depends on how much of her time you took up, but perhaps 50 K would have been a nice compromise. And entitled? Not necessarily. It costs them something to get in and to get dressed up for a place like Gustos, so not unreasonable to ask for something. Anyway, not a big deal, but having a happy ending to such encounters is worth something.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. It was worth 20 k to me.

I would hope it would be worth something to the bar and the chica too, because I just dropped 80 k at their bar and I didn't even get see a pair of tits. But apparently it wasn't worth anything to them.

You see, in Medellin, many establishments think it's not their job to make customer happy and want to come back. It's your job as the customer to make them happy and help pay their bills. Because we, the foreign tourists, are obviously so absurdly wealthy we should be stuffing 50 k notes down people's shirts just for gracing us with their presence. Come on, people.

You don't "tip" a car dealer for trying to sell you a car that you decide not to buy, or even for letting you do a little test drive. That's just the cost of doing business and the fact that effort will be expended in many cases without a sale is baked into the price of the car. Same with chicas. The biggest tip I can give a working chica is to give her my precious time and attention and allow her the opportunity to try to convince me to buy her service. The more opportunities she has, the more success she will have. The opportunity itself has real value. But when she can't close the sale, she doesn't get paid. It's as simple as that.

But if you want to play into the illusion that you are some wealthy foreign benefactor, a la Pretty Woman, who is superior to this helpless street-savy working girl, then go ahead and offer her something to appease your conscience like I did. I highly doubt that locals tip chicas for failed negotiations. But remember, we are not locals. We are foreigners. I. e. , second class humans. Our role in Medellin is to pay what is demanded by high end clubs run by foreigners, and not ask questions about it. And by all means, do what it takes to make them happy, because our job is to live up to their expectations, and not the other way around.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2926605]In a place like Gusto I can see them expecting something. Or any bar really. So what the right number is I guess depends on how much of her time you took up. It's worth something to just keep things happy. And 100 K. Again, depends on how much of her time you took up, but perhaps 50 K would have been a nice compromise. And entitled? Not necessarily. It costs them something to get in and to get dressed up for a place like Gustos, so not unreasonable to ask for something. Anyway, not a big deal, but having a happy ending to such encounters is worth something.[/QUOTE]Most girls live far away from poblado. Factor into that the cab ride and entry fee.

Girls pay 20 k to enter last time I checked. But this was a while ago.

Buying a girl a drink to discuss services etc should not be considered part of the fee LOL. It's a bar full of independent girls. They're not working for the house.

Honestly if it got that far 100 k (23 $) is fair considering he agreed to pay 500 for an hour. So she's already got that money counted in her mind.

[QUOTE=YounGun3393;2926607]Hey yall.

I will be back in MDE in a few months. Pretty excited. I will be there for a week and I have been there earlier this year for a Bach party. Didn't get to sample enough so I want to go back.

I'm going with newbies so I want to tell them accurate info.[/QUOTE]I love Baroque music, but I think you'll find the women more into Reggaeton in Medellin.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926609]Could I have made it clear to her before we started walking out that leaving the bar with me does not guarantee that she will get paid anything? Sure. Could she have clarified to me that she was expecting some form of payment if she left with me? She could have.

If anything, I think the burden is more on her to clarify expectations. Because she is the professional who does this for a living. The likely reason she didn't her expectations clear is because she knows that ambiguity usually works in her favor when it comes to gringo tourists. It just didn't with me.
[/QUOTE]Not attacking you in particular, but your example is important for everyone else. I assumed people already knew the basics, but this is a lesson for all mongers at ANY club where you pick up WGs; if you walk out of the club with a girl, she is expecting payment. The girl is here to get paid and isn't being swooned by your game, looks, or sterling personality. If you want to waste time hanging out at clubs, getting a coffee, or even read her your warhammer 40 k fan-fictions, she won't complain, but the expectation is payment. Don't play games and assume there is some sort of test drive going on where she'll drop her price after you woo her. Don't be wishy-washy about details, and always get things confirmed.

And most importantly, NEVER, EVER put the burden on the girl to clarify anything. It's your money and your life and you should never leave that in the hands of a stranger. Kapn was lucky in some ways that things didn't escalate but you all need to remember; you're the foreigner, not the girl. I've seen dudes get their shit pushed in by locals in Thailand for playing games and Medellin is much less nice than Bangkok. All it takes is one white knight or guy having a bad day to decide he wants to step up to put the "arrogant gringo" in his place (with his boys, of course). Cops can't be everywhere and, truthfully, they don't care.

It's a little wild to even think you walked out of the club with this girl thinking that she didn't expect to be paid, as if she was actually interested to go sight-seeing some shitty clubs she's probably been to a hundred times before.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926612]You see, in Medellin, many establishments think it's not their job to make customer happy and want to come back. It's your job as the customer to make them happy and help pay their bills. Because we, the foreign tourists, are obviously so absurdly wealthy we should be stuffing 50 k notes down people's shirts just for gracing us with their presence. Come on, people.

You don't "tip" a car dealer for trying to sell you a car that you decide not to buy, or even for letting you do a little test drive.

And by all means, do what it takes to make them happy, because our job is to live up to their expectations, and not the other way around.[/QUOTE]In no other industry does the person paying act like the person providing them the service is doing them a favor. Pussy just does something to some guys to make them think like that. You can still bust a nut without her. She can not pay her rent without you. Who is really doing who a favor?

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2926424]Now his girlfriend has a 6 hour window of opportunity. If he needs a break from his commitment then she definitely needs a break from him and she is happy that he will be gone for 6 hours so she can have her fun too and Pablo has been waiting for her to signal that the time is right. Take your friend to a case so he can pick from a line up of his choosing. Tell him to try not to think about what his girlfriend will be doing while he's gone and just to focus on the mission at hand. Tell him to wash up good afterwards because condoms can leave a distinct smell on your private parts and the girlfriend will definitely know this from her own experience.[/QUOTE]It's a lazy Sunday afternoon and I can't pass up the temptation to chime in on this one. So here goes.

First, some background. I am a big believer in setting proper expectations on the front end of a relationship and not promising more than you can deliver. I subscribe to the "Mr. E" school of thinking on that subject. It is easier said than done, but once you get a woman to accept that you are not willing to compromise your freedom just to have sex with her, it pays tremendous benefits as the relationship moves along. So the main problem here is that your friend committed to monogamy when he (probably) knew he could not live up to that commitment. Now he is in a predicament of his own making.

My situation is a little bit different, but the recent experience I am going to relate will hopefully give you some comfort. One of my girlfriends lives in Medellin. She knows we live in different countries, and I made it clear to her from the outset that I cannot go without sex for months in between visiting her. That was just a nonstarter for me. I made it clear I didn't expect monogamy from her either. It wasn't easy, but fortunately for me, she values our relationship enough that she has accepted my sexual freedom. I don't tell her anything about my other girlfriends or my sexual activities. We message each other every day and have an amazing relationship.

My problem is that, while sex in my home country or in third countries is within the terms of our understanding, there is an unspoken implication that I will not have sex with other girls in Colombia. Which, of course, I do. For reasons that are completely unjustifiable but that your friend can probably relate to. It's not that I don't have sex with my girlfriend when I am in town. We do, and it's great sex. But I am a man like many of you on here with an appetite for variety and new experiences when it comes to sex. And I don't get that in the US for the reasons that many of you know too well. So traveling to Colombia is an opportunity to quench that appetite, on top of warming up for my main course, my girlfriend, who receives the bulk of my time and affection when I am there.

But needless to say, I would have problems if she found out about my activities in Colombia. It would probably spell the end of our relationship, because it would hurt her a lot and trust would be lost. That's why it's important for me to conceal my secret activities.

So earlier this month, I flew into Medellin on my way to Peru. My girlfriend didn't know I was coming, which is fairly typical. I like to just show up at her apartment unannounced and surprise her. Well, I flew in early afternoon, and suffered through immigration. Did my thing, rested a little at ny hotel in Laureles, and then had one of my Colombiana contacts I met at Luna Lunera come over that night for an hour and a half session for 300 k. It was a good session, not as good as in the club which was phenomenal, but she is a very cute chica who goes the extra mile to make me happy. I blow my load after one week of self-imposed abstinence and I can finally think clearly again.

I woke up the next day and I still had some lead I wanted to get out before what was likely to be a marathon romp with my girlfriend later that evening. So I booked a hotel in Poblado and messaged my favorite Venezuelan contact. This girl is 22 years old and has earned a special place in my heart. Cute young lady with braces and a nice petite body that would fit in in Thailand or PH. She is a normal chica who actually needs the money, because her family is dirt poor. I follow her on Instagram, which is basically dormant, but it makes me sentimental to see her with her family, friends, classmates in high school, etc. I remember where I was in life during those times, and it pulls on my heart strings a little. She is just a regular girl with a positive outlook whose life has been shaped by negative economic forces beyond her control.

One thing about this girl, is she knows how to handle me despite her young age. I am the type who has high expectations and can be fairly impatient. She knows how to talk me down whenever I get riled up. Her and her Venezuelan friend were my first threesome, which did not meet my expectations at the time, but based on the stories I've read on here was probably the best threesome you could possibly hope for. Her friend was a squirter but not as pretty. I halfways hoped her friend would come with her, but I also wanted to save some money for Peru.

Anyway, this girl is hard to contact and coordinate with, because she does not not own a cell phone that works without WIFI. She is that poor. So she has to borrow her friend's phone to message me when she is out of WIFI range. Somehow, I get her over to my hotel within 30 minutes of when she was supposed to arrive (4:30), which is shockingly punctual by her standards. Paid 20 k for her taxi. We never discussed any rates or time. She doesn't have a passport, so the hotel didn't want to let her come to the room. I did the whole "she's my GF, I booked for 2 people" spiel, and they finally said they would let her in for an additional 100 k. I worked them down to 50 k. We both went up to the room, sat on the bed with some snacks, watched TV and caught up on life.

I honestly did not know how things were going to go, because I never mentioned sex to her. One thing was for sure: I was not going to do anything unless she agreed to give me oral without a condom. When I first met her on the street, I was very green and thought a covered blowjob was a universal requirement. I have been kicking myself ever since. This girl has the best oral skills of any girl I've ever been with. Perfect rhythm, angle, depth and hand usage. Keeps going steady and never comes up for air. I love to make her kneel on a pillow beside a mirror and watch her from the side while she goes downtown. Damn it's hot. My dick gets hard just thinking about it. It's obvious that the reason this girl can insist on a condom for BJ and not lose business is because she is so damn good at it.

And it bothers me to no end that the girl who gives the best blowjob ever insists that I wear a condom during the act. All because I agreed to it the first time and set a bad precedent. Well that was going to change this time. No BBBJ, no sex, and no money for her. Cum in mouth was not a requirement; we could work up to that next time. But uncovered oral was absolutely essential. She either blows me bare or she doesn't eat tonight, I thought. I'm putting my foot down, dammit.

Well, she was hungry and wanted to go to dinner. I offered to invite her. She suggested we do "what we are going to do" before we eat dinner. 300 k is our standard, right? Right. That's when I emphasized that I wanted a bare blowjob this time. She said no. I said fine, we don't have to have sex then. Let's just go get dinner. I was dead serious.

Now, I've had disagreements with many girls, but the way this chica handles me is truly remarkable. There is generally two ways this can go. One, the chica sees you are ready to walk and she gives in to your demands. Or two, the chica gets very cold and defensive and tells you how you are still going to pay them for their time no matter what. Or owe them X amount. Or threaten to call the police or someone else. Not this chica. One reason is that she is Venezuelan, is probably in the country illegally, and has very little recourse if I change my mind and decide to reject her services. I knew this, and as much as I liked her, I felt like I had some leverage. I felt like if she saw I was serious and walked away this time, she would accept that insisting on a condom for oral is not worth losing 300 k. But of course I didn't want to lose her from my rotation, which is why I was still going to take her out to dinner. So I guess she was going to eat either way.

And next time, when my head is slumped back and I am enjoying every stroke and slurp of the most satisfying skin-on-mouth blowjob of my life, it would all be worth it. For both of us.

That was my plan.

Anyway, she calmly strokes my arm and says amorrr. You know how service is with me. I said yes, that's how it was at first, but now that we know each other better I thought you could do oral without a condom. Told her how important it was to me. "Amorrr. I can't do that," she says in a very soothing and relaxed tone. Fine, let's just go to dinner. No sex. "Amorrr, I really need this money. " Sorry, not my problem. I am very defensive and pissed. "But amorrr, this is why I came to see you. This is how it always works with us. " She is just stroking my arm and her voice is as soothing as ever. More back and forth for at least 10 minutes. I kept emphasizing, all she has to do is blow me without a condom and all our problems are solved. But she wouldn't budge. I have to give her a lot of credit for that, and the more I argued with her, the more I respected her. And the whole time, she spoke to me in such a sweet and loving tone as she explained that she came her to have sex with me, that is what she intended to do, and I had to wear a condom the entire time we did it. Her soft confidence and power was really mesmerizing. She never gave an inch, but continued to stroke my arm and chest and talk to me in the most soothing tone.

And so, just like when we've had disagreements in the past, this 22-year-old chica sweet-talked me until I cooled down. She argued with me like I was always the one in charge, but she was just persuading me to make the right decision. It was a masterclass in how to subtlety manipulate a man's ego without being obvious about it. At the end of argument, I realized that I wanted to have sex with this girl, even if it was covered. Not because it was the easiest thing to do to keep peace, or because she needed the money, or just to get it over with. But because I truly wanted sex with her. She made me want it with how she treated me with respect and tenderness during our argument. It became a primal urge I could repress but couldn't deny.

So I gave in. Essentially. Needing some way to save face, I told her I would only agree to sex if there was no time limit. I emphasized, no time limit. She said she had to be home in the evening. I said that's not what I mean, I mean we could fuck for two hours or more. Not all night, but however long it took me to get my satisfaction. She agreed to that. If I was going to going to get blown with a condom, I was at least going to get my money's worth. So I threw a pillow down in front of the mirror and she dropped to her knees. Ah, pure (wrapped up) bliss.

After some thorough and titillating oral service, I put her on the bed and ate her pussy with a dental dam. Sex in multiple positions until she complained that she was getting hungry. To be honest, I had places to be, too. So I put her on all fours and finished in her from behind. I don't think I lasted 40 minutes. The orgasm was very intense because I was really worked up from our argument and needed some release. And boy did I get it. That was just what the doctor ordered for my mood and state of mind.

Everything we did happened on top of the sheets, which will become important later in the story.

So after sex, me and my Venezuelan chica went to grab dinner in Provenza. She definitely deserved a tip for another memorable performance on her knees. I told her we could go anywhere she wanted, she actually chose a very reasonable "walk-up" restaurant. I appreciated that. The meal cost 65 k total for both of us.

While talking at dinner, I found out that she had actually had a baby about a month earlier. Apparently, the last time I saw her, she was almost three months pregnant. I do remember that she had a bit of a protruding belly but I thought she was just putting on some weight. I honestly couldn't tell from sex; her pussy was still very tight.

After dinner, we walked back to my hotel. Along the way, she stopped by two different pharmacies. I told her I was in a hurry and thought she was going to ask me to buy something for her. She was very adamant that she was going to pay with her own money. So I stood at the counter with her while she pulled the 300 k peso notes out of her bra and bought diapers and baby formula. Which put quite a dent in that 300 k. Seeing her buy those things with the money I just gave her really made things hit home with me. She had just had sex with me so she could buy food and diapers for her baby. I helped her carry the groceries to the taxi. She didn't ask me to pay her taxi; with the 200 k plus she had left over, she seemed proud to not have to ask for my help. I felt no doubt that I had made the right decision that evening. It was a humbling experience and one I won't soon forget. It confirmed with my own eyes that many of these girls are very genuine people just trying to make ends meet. I hugged her, gave her a kiss on the cheek, and bid her farewell.

Anyway, after that, I gathered my things and went down to the front desk. I told them that I had decided to spend the night at my "girlfriend's" apartment, but didn't want to check out because might return if sleeping without air conditioning turned out to be too much to bear. So if I don't return by tomorrow at 11 am, please check me out. Gave them my key to hold at the front desk. They were fine with it. I never waste a good hotel room. For all I knew, my actual girlfriend could be out of town.

So I took an Uber to my girlfriend's apartment. Arrive at 9 pm. She opens the door. Surprise! She is so elated to see me. The expression on her face is worth the entire trip. Just one problem: her sister broke up with her boyfriend, and she is living with her temporarily. So that throws a wrench in things for obvious reasons. No chance of us doing anything freaky in that small apartment with her sister there.

The good news is I already had a hotel room waiting for us. The bad news. I had just fucked another girl in that hotel room. Gulp!

So do I book an entirely new hotel room like any reasonable man who values his relationship would do? Not this reckless cheap ass. I told her that I already had a hotel room and invited her to stay with me in Poblado. Miraculously, she said she needed to take a shower first. That was my opening. I told her to take her time, I would take an Uber over there and text her the address so she could come when she was ready. Sounded perfectly reasonable and she agreed. Once I sent her the address, I knew there was no turning back.

So I rush back to the hotel. Get the key from the front desk and go upstairs. The first thing I do is pick all the condoms and dental dams out of the trash can with some toilet paper. In my panic, it never occurred to me that I could just take them out of the room and throw them away in the trash can outside. So I remove the bag from the trash can and stuff the damning evidence at the bottom of the can. I then replaced the bag over it and stuffed a wad of toilet paper at the bottom so you couldn't see the bright gold wrappers peaking through the clear plastic bag.

I then completely remade the bed, obsessively scanning every piece of fabric for any sign that another woman had been there. After it had been remade, I fluffed the pillows and as I was doing that, a long black hair fell out from between two of the pillows. Scared the shit out of me. I hid that thing in the closet and proceeded to check every inch of the room, and especially the bathroom where my Venezuelan girl had showered, for other hairs. Made me paranoid as hell. Amazingly, no hairs in the shower or bathroom. I spead out a boquet of red roses I had purchased the day over the bed. Then I wadded up the towel that the other girl had used and quickly went downstairs to give it to the front desk and request more towels. But most importantly, I wanted to emphasize that I was having a guest come over and there should be no mention whatsoever of any other guests I previously had in the room. I assumed there would be some kind of resistance to allowing me have an additional guest in the room in the same day, and I wanted to iron that out before my girlfriend arrived.

My elevator stops in the lobby and I turn toward the front desk. My heart skips a beat. There is my girlfriend, leaned over the counter, looking down while filling out some form. Dressed in just a pair of warmups, with her hair still wet from the shower, she made it to the hotel from her apartment in 20 minutes flat. She doesn't see me and neither do the people at the front desk. With my heart racing, I briskly walk to a row of plants and shove the dirty towel in between them as innocuously as I can.

I then walk over to the front desk and smootly put my arm around my girlfriend. Wow, you're already here love, are you getting checked it? She barely acknowledges me and continues filling out the form. Not atypical for her to be that way when we are in public. She then hands the form to the female desk attendant, who, by sheer luck and the grace of God, was a different person than the male attendant who had checked me and the Venezuelan chica in at 4:30 that afternoon. Apparently the day shift ends at around 9 pm and the night shift takes over. So the lady at the desk had never seen me before. Or the chica I had previously left with. And the hotel apparently had no record that I had another guest in my room. I have to assume that my Venezuelan chica was "off the books" because she did not have a passport and technically could not be allowed into the room under the law. Or maybe she just kept quiet and did me a solid. Whatever the reason she just smiled politely at us and said "welcome, enjoy your stay. "

At this point, I still did not know what my girlfriend had been told before I arrived, so I braced for any backlash as we walked to the elevator. My girlfriend finally looked up at me and made eye contact. She then wrapped her arms around me and pulled me in for a passionate kiss. In my mind, I breathed a deep sigh of relief.

When we arrived at the room, my GF was ecstatic to see the roses I had bought her. I poured her a drink and spread some snacks over the bed. We talked for a while and watched a documentary about the Colombian children who got lost in the Amazon for 40 days and survived. A great film for anyone looking for something to watch.

We then proceeded to have passionate, earth-shaking sex in the same unwashed bed that I had just fucked another girl less than five hours earlier. The sex was so intense (maybe because I was so worked up from all the suspense and drama I had created for myself) that I actually injured my hand from having my bare knuckles slam against the wall while I was gripping the end of the mattress while we fucked in missionary. I didn't even notice the blood until I went to take a shower. The sex was that amazing. She actually was more than a week late on her period this month, so until recently there was reason to suspect we may have conceived that night. How screwed up would that be!

After showering, we cuddled up and fell asleep. Did she smell the scent of another woman on the bed? Or the smell of freshly used condoms or dental dams? If she did, she never gave me any indication. I think it helped my cause a lot that my Venezuelan chica did not wear perfume. I can only assume she can't afford it. That is another detail that surely contributed to me pulling off this audacious and completely unnecessary feat of stupidity. Of course, the fact that the Vennie & I never did anything under the sheets or comforter also probably played a big role in keeping any incriminating scent at bay. Add it the fact that my girlfriend was in an unfamiliar hotel room which she was not used to smelling, further masking the scent.

One thing I didn't have to worry about after sex: hairs. My girlfriend and the Vennie both have black hair of about the same length, so any hairs found in the room from that point on would not arouse any suspicion. But the thing that bothered the shit out of me was the condoms in the trash can. I was constantly worried that my girlfriend would somehow find them when she was in the bathroom taking a shower. And there is no way of explaining my way around that, even though I've never used condoms with her so there is still a glimmer of very implausible deniability. There is no logical reason that a woman would take a trash bag out of a trash can in a hotel, but women do weird shit like that all the time. The risk of her doing that really bothered me.

The next morning, I rebooked the hotel for another night. We headed out for lunch and I pretended to leave something in the hotel room. I went back to the room and disposed of the condoms in a trash can on a different floor. Too important to trust that task to the maid. As we exited, I made it very clear to the maid that we needed room service. Of course, the guy who had checked me and my Vennie "girlfriend" in the previous afternoon was back at the reception. Ironically, he was from Venezuela himself. He instantly knew what was up. I shot him a look as I passed which told him that if he said anything about it, they would never find his body. Returned later that evening to fresh linens. I finally was able to exhale.

So there you have it, fellas. A real life case study that it is possible to have sex with another woman, even in the same bed and on the same day, without your girlfriend finding out. I can assure that I still have all my organs. My GF and I had a great time together and I would say that our long distance relationship is in the best place it's ever been. Would I advise anyone to do what I did? Hell no. I'm not proud of it either. But like so many incredible feats, it takes a dumb overconfident bustard to prove they are possible. Please learn from my foolhardy decisions but don't repeat them. That goes for many of the things I post on this forum.

So what have we learned? I can tell you that an important part of the equation is just being able to act naturally and have a laid back demeanor even when you are hiding something. It's hard to do that if you feel guilty, so put your guilt aside. If you know that something is going to make you feel guilty, don't do it. I did not want my girlfriend to find out about what I did, but I also did not feel guilty about it. So even more than hiding the physical evidence, the most important thing is how you act around her. For me it's easy, because I have nothing but a pure heart for my girlfriend and a clear conscience when it comes to my deep and genuine feelings for her. But my body and lustful mind crave variety and new experiences. Giving in to my urges, rather than repressing them, makes me a happier man and, perhaps, a better boyfriend. That's my view on things.

Funny thing, the following night my girlfriend actually suggested we go to Parque Lleras because she wanted to show me the nightlife of Poblado. I walked around with her, quite amused, pretending like I had never been there before. It was definitely a surreal experience!

Bottom line: act natural, don't feel guilty for addressing your needs, and give the woman reasons to value you and want you in her life (but obviously don't overdo this last part so as to create suspicion). Those actions go a long toward her giving you the benefit of the doubt and things working out in your favor.

Excited to be back so I jumped on the opportunity.

I just want to start off by saying I'm not a centro / street walking girl hunters.

Most of the vets here really like the cheap street centro options. And that's fine. To me those options are usually 0-7 MAX. And the 7 is very hard to come by. If.

You live here I understand why you prefer that. But for me I need the 8-10. Now those ratings are very subjective. Even in clubs I may think a girl is a 10 and another guy thinks she's a 6 or 5. Which is fine. So my review is for the guys with limited time here who like the big titted girls even if theyre fake af.

Started off the night by going to loutron. I think it was 480. Was stick between 3 girls and had to re ask. The last girl I had here (sofia who is a complete stunner) was also there but she was mechanical. I shouldve realized they were all mechanical. Regretted my choice. I honestly forget the girls who name I chose. I think she was from Bogota and althoguht she had huge tits her nips were busted (huge aeriolas if you like that) and very business. Wanted 100 k more for anal or bb but that wasnt my thing. Still a fun time still a great line up. Went early around 6 or 7. Talked to a guy who told us to avoid energy and new life as girls were uggos there. Kinda the same reviews as the forum here. Again I had limited time and didn't want to waste it so I opted out of those places for my trip. (yes I understand theres some nice ones there) but yeah I don't have time.

Now I love clubs. I love feeling a girls vibe before I take her back. I also like actually seeing the girl in different lights. This is why I don't like the facebook or escort calling stuff here. I don't know if the bait and switch is going to happen (I got boned in cartagena once and said never again) so off the gusto I go. Tuesday night. Its raining. Heavy pouring. Damn I forgot I was in rainy season. Club is dead from 10 pm to 12 pm. I head over to glow. Place is moderatly packed. Esp compared to gusto. Also the one next door to glow is packed as well but those girls are more uggos and not my style.

I always take what's app numbers and took a girls number in case I found no one. Luckily I what's apped a girl form my last visit here. She was from gusto. I asked if 300 k was cool to come. She was completely fine with it. I said 700 k for all night if I like you. She agreed. I waited for her. She took a while. Said she lived far. Shared her location and looked like it was true. She arrived at 2 . Pretty much after the deed was done she was getting ready to go. I said you can stay all night. She agreed but then started packing up at 330 am I was like woah woah you're not getting anything if you don't stay till 6 am or 8 am which is the time we agreed was todos noche. She gave a sob story about her resopnsibility with son and takin to school. Which may only be 50% true. So I told her ok if you stay till 4 am you're only getting 200 k more. She said she needed the money and she said if I come back in the morning can I get the extra 300 k. I said fine. She came in the morning and topped me then left.

Wed I went back to the clubs and gusto was slow early again so iheaded to glow. Met this tall guy from europe who stays here 6 months. We cihlled together as we enjoyed the same type of girls. He knew alot and took me to different clubs. He has a lot more money so he said la isla is the best if you get a bottle and table. Seemed like hes rolling in money cause I'm not spending that much money at la isla. Also the last time I went to la isla I was banished to the corner standing area and couldn't see any girls. Was lame af. So we go back to gusto and theres not many girls my type. But in walks my stunner from my last visit. So I take her back. She said she only does 800 k all night now. I am completely head over heels and I say ill do 700 k. I shuoldve bargained per leche like I did last time. Last time I was with her I said 2 for 700 or something like that and she agreed. Well I didn't. And after the first pop she packed up and got ready to go. I had trouble with my equipment so I was ok to hurry her out.

Here's where the problem happen. I started to fall in puppy love like an idiot. With my first girl. I called her back out. Told her ID take her on a date but no sex. We ate. We chilled. She was amazing. She danced on me and had to leave to go get her son. I told her ID give her 200 k for sex right now. She said she had to go but asked to borrow and keept it and shed pay me back later with sex. (red flag) . I said no stood firm. I also gave her money for extra party good which she said she would give me at the club later that night (test to see if she's a bit real or a true thief).

Later that night I go to la isla. My boy told me he took 3 girls home from la isla at 800 k eaach all night. I was like fuck maybe I'm missing out on la isla. I head ther eSUPER early like 930 pm. Its fucking dead. 1 table of dudes. 2 dudes from medellin at the bar. 30 or 40 girls just sitting there. I get a beer and walk around the club. I can't really see the girls. Some are smoking and some are just not my type. I head to bathroom then back to bar. Talk with the dudes from medellin and couple girls approach. THEN this guy was like hey man you're going to have to go to the corner. Wtf what about the other guys from medellin they just get to stay. Whatever so I think maybe I need to buy a bottle. Prices are insane. But no one is there. So I ask the waiter. Hey look. I don't want to drink the liquor but can I get a bottle and table for 300 k cop. He was like no I don't think so. I asked if theres any room for negotiation. He said no. Fuck it. I left. Maybe ill come back if I get nothing.

Back to parque lleras and its opouring outside. Seriosuly pouring. Lots of strreet girls everywhere still. My first girl keeps texting me asking me where I am. I ignore it and go to glow. WOW its empty. Wtf. Guy tried to get me to go in. No seriosuly its like 4 girls. Its so sad. I gues certain nights during the week gusto is popping and other nights its not. Again I pop over the club next to glow. Forget the name. Still same uggos. So I leave and go to gustos on a Thursday. THIS PLACE IS PACKED. Girls every fucking where. This is what happend last time too. Thursday was packed. I see my initaly girl there. I buy her a drink and tell her I want to check out other girls. She's fine with it and says shell give me space. I find a couple girls attrative and eventually take another girl home. Small spinner girl wears heavy make up and I can till she's a little more of a MILF than the younger girls there. She demanded 800 k per hour LOL. I got her down to 500 k per each leche. Still really expensive.

After I'm done with her I immedetiatly hit up my first girl. Its all who I could think about. Tell her I'm thinking about her and she can comeover for 200 k but has to stay till 4 am. Obv no one took her. She agrees. Then she tantalizes me in the house so I ask her 300 k for pop and she agrees. Shouldve bargained but I'm now in love. After I'm done she calls taxi and is getting ready to leave. Reality is fighting my puppy love. I feel like such an idiot as I'm talking about myself.

Sorry this is a long winded almost pointless post but rule #1 always is don't fall in love. This is just straight business.

I kept trying to text this girl after too. So many flags as I'm looking back. I'm such a simp.

So if any of you go after a lazy eye chick vennie with huge fake tits. Just know your boy got played. Lesson trying to be learned. She keeps asking me to go on a trip with her lmao.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2926647]

It's a little wild to even think you walked out of the club with this girl thinking that she didn't expect to be paid, as if she was actually interested to go sight-seeing some shitty clubs she's probably been to a hundred times before.[/QUOTE]Yes yes yes!

She does not need to know anyone in the club. She could have gone back in and told any local there what happened. That guy would have yelled at 2-3 buddies are even local strangers (very common thing to happen). Then go out and stolen everything on your person and maybe left you requiring medical attention. True there are tons of cameras in that area. If that makes you feel safe you are an idiot. Maybe they follow you to a camera-free area. Maybe the cops do something or do nothing. Then your whole trip would be ruined and you go back to your country because your face is messed up and have to explain to everyone why your A $$ got kicked. You owed her 50,000 at least. YOU messed up letting her walk out with you. Amazing this has to be explained to you.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926566]Thanks for the info. Google really screwed me up. I looked for similar clubs on that street (Avenida Cundenamarca) near Hilton Grill, but they all looked like regular bars. What street is Conejitas and Avenida Nueva on? I will say that my taxi was driving me toward Laureles at around 7:40 pm, I did notice some street walkers leaned up against the outside of some bars on the street just to the northwest of Botero (Carrera 54). But it was too late at that point. I also did a sweep of all 4 corners of Botero park before getting in the taxi. Maybe 3 chicas standing idly who looked pretty rough. I was expecting to see them in standing in clusters and strolling around like in Poblado. Nothing like that. Maybe Poblado is where they all went after sundown on Friday evening, but they sure weren't in Parque Botero proper around 7:30 pm.[/QUOTE]Botero park / plaza is not where you find most of the SWs, there is usually a couple but you need to go further south around Veracruz church. 40-50 mil + room 10 mil / half h (there are longer time hotels around if needed). Around 8 pm on Friday some start preparing to leave for Lleras but it's still not abandoned and plenty of life. Depends on weather too. Saturday daytime is where there is most girls there, especially if it's the end of the month (payday) and mid-month payday. As for clubs, in Hilton I ever paid 70-80 mil max. Nueva Avenida similar. Conejitas more expensive up to 100. Barra 100-120 (best centro club according to some). Last two have the best facilities. Nueva and Grill Occidental the worst (horrible). Hilton in the middle. New Life you definitely went too late, it's a day time place, recognized easily by blue door. You should've probably got the WT69 Medellin mongering google map, would've made finding things and navigation much easier, most of things in Centro are in walking distance really. Great reports, keep them coming.

I'm seeing girls me and my buddies $40 to smash years ago being taken out to France and Switzerland for fancy trips. Are y'all really taking girls who have triple digit body counts to fancy trips around the world? What is wrong with you guys? I texted a few and they said they'd see me as soon as they get back. Wow!

[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2926676]Excited to be back so I jumped on the opportunity.

Started off the night by going to loutron. I think it was 480. Was stick between 3 girls and had to re ask. The last girl I had here (sofia who is a complete stunner) was also there but she was mechanical. I shouldve realized they were all mechanical. Regretted my choice. I honestly forget the girls who name I chose. I think she was from Bogota and althoguht she had huge tits her nips were busted (huge aeriolas if you like that) and very business. Wanted 100 k more for anal or bb but that wasnt my thing. Still a fun time still a great line up. Went early around 6 or 7. Talked to a guy who told us to avoid energy and new life as girls were uggos there. Kinda the same reviews as the forum here. Again I had limited time and didn't want to waste it so I opted out of those places for my trip. (yes I understand theres some nice ones there) but yeah I don't have time.[/QUOTE]Nice report! I was surprised though to read you had a mechanical experience with Sofia, been a couple of times with her and she's always been super passionate with me. But I know she's also really hardcore, definitely not a newbie in the game. I guess like always YMMV with any chica.

And yeah La Isla is weird, been told to 'go to the corner' myself at some times too, but most of the times they just let me sit anywhere as long as they see me drinking I guess. As I go there alone mostly I hate to buy a whole bottle of rum, I mostly just buy a beer or 3-4 and most of the times they seem ok with it. I think once they know you and they know you buy at least a few drinks, they're ok with it.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2926777]Botero park / plaza is not where you find most of the SWs, there is usually a couple but you need to go further south around Veracruz church. 40-50 mil + room 10 mil / half h (there are longer time hotels around if needed). Around 8 pm on Friday some start preparing to leave for Lleras but it's still not abandoned and plenty of life. Depends on weather too. Saturday daytime is where there is most girls there, especially if it's the end of the month (payday) and mid-month payday. As for clubs, in Hilton I ever paid 70-80 mil max. Nueva Avenida similar. Conejitas more expensive up to 100. Barra 100-120 (best centro club according to some). Last two have the best facilities. Nueva and Grill Occidental the worst (horrible). Hilton in the middle. New Life you definitely went too late, it's a day time place, recognized easily by blue door. You should've probably got the WT69 Medellin mongering google map, would've made finding things and navigation much easier, most of things in Centro are in walking distance really. Great reports, keep them coming.[/QUOTE]Wow, thanks for the info! You just answered all my questions in a single paragraph. Grateful is an understatement!

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2926797]Nice report! I was surprised though to read you had a mechanical experience with Sofia, been a couple of times with her and she's always been super passionate with me. But I know she's also really hardcore, definitely not a newby in the game. I guess like always YMMV with any chica.

And yeah La Isla is weird, been told to 'go to the corner' myself at some times too, but most of the times they just let me sit anywhere as long as they see me drinking I guess. As I go there alone mostly I hate to buy a whole bottle of rum, I mostly just buy a beer or 3-4 and most of the times they seem ok with it. I think once they know you and they know you buy at least a few drinks, they're ok with it.[/QUOTE]Sofia- honestly maybe it wasa ymmv, but I remember she had a lot of rules like no DATY and no DFK which might just be standard loutron. The actual sex was great. She's a 10/10 looks for my so I DP fully regret not picking her again. If I were to go back she would be my pick for sure.

La isla: that's good to know but as someone who doesn't frequent there a lot ill prob never put that in that category. You got to sit anywhere if you ordered a beer? Thats crazy to me, they were so quick to give me boundries it was so insane. I dno my experience with la isla has been so poor. Wondering if I should just do a bottle service one night to see the difference. If any.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2926713]Yes yes yes!

She does not need to know anyone in the club. She could have gone back in and told any local there what happened. That guy would have yelled at 2-3 buddies are even local strangers (very common thing to happen). Then go out and stolen everything on your person and maybe left you requiring medical attention. True there are tons of cameras in that area. If that makes you feel safe you are an idiot. Maybe they follow you to a camera-free area. Maybe the cops do something or do nothing. Then your whole trip would be ruined and you go back to your country because your face is messed up and have to explain to everyone why your A $$ got kicked. You owed her 50,000 at least. YOU messed up letting her walk out with you. Amazing this has to be explained to you.[/QUOTE]I would 'like' your comment if it was an option on the site. Everything you said is exactly right.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926664]so the hotel didn't want to let her come to the room. I did the whole "she's my GF, I booked for 2 people" spiel, and they finally said they would let her in for an additional 100 k. I worked them down to 50 k.[/QUOTE]Very important. Just like girls, you were able to negotiate the visitor fee. The first price was not the final price.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926664]For all I knew, my actual girlfriend could be out of town.[/QUOTE]I do not tell them I am coming either. But I do send a message asking what they are doing.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926664]The good news is I already had a hotel room waiting for us. The bad news. I had just fucked another girl in that hotel room. Gulp!
After showering, we cuddled up and fell asleep. Did she smell the scent of another woman on the bed? Or the smell of freshly used condoms or dental dams?[/QUOTE]Man. Always clean up before you leave the room. You never know when you are coming back or who you are coming back with. I keep a small bottle of febreeze in my toiletry bag to spray on the bed.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926426]My chica began dancing and grinding against me, which I very much enjoyed and made the drink I bought her seem worth it. Soon she proposed going to my hotel for three hours for 1. 2 million pesos. I said how about one hour for 400 k. She countered with 500 k and I kind of shrugged. I said I probably wanted to go to some other clubs first. She said let's go, and I followed her out of the club and downstairs. When we got downstairs, I suggested we go to one of the clubs across the street. She was much more interested in going back to my hotel. [/QUOTE]At the risk of beating a dead horse, I haven't seen anyone state this: The Kapn was negotiating pesos for time. In this instance, he wasn't negotiating per leche. That's no big deal; I never negotiate that way either. But if I make a deal for an amount of pesos for an amount of time, that's exactly what I'm doing. She's agreed to be with me for 3 hours for a payment. If I choose to bang her for 180 minutes, that's what she signed up for. But if I take her to dinner, a movie, a club or any other activity for 180 minutes, I'm saying she has fulfilled her end of the agreement. If she cut it short, then I'd say she's not entitled to the amount. But if the monger just decides to cancel it? Nah.

It seems to me that there was an opportunity for clarity, which the Kapn already acknowledged. Ignoring all the ways this could have gone wrong with locals, I do think if I agree to a price and length, then we've made a deal. I'm not saying Kapn owes her 500 k. But I do think he owes her something for shrugging and following her out.

One last comment here, because we are all suffering from the gringo hatred. Or at least the entitled attitude. But think about this interaction. Girl agrees to get plowed for 500 k. A gringo goes with her, backs out of the deal, and hands her 5 k? We're talking little more than a dollar. I know the conversation devolved and ended poorly and there's more than one person to blame for that. But, it did further cement the gringo impression. I don't know the appropriate amount. 100 k seems too much but handing her a 5 k bill is just borderline insulting.

I'd feel entirely different if the agreement was more clear. And I've done the 'let's go to a different club' approach. But if we come to an agreement of 500 k, unless she fails to hold up her end, I'm on the hook for it. We negotiate time 9 times out of 10.

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[QUOTE=Hobo3;2926783]I'm seeing girls me and my buddies $40 to smash years ago being taken out to France and Switzerland for fancy trips. Are y'all really taking girls who have triple digit body counts to fancy trips around the world? What is wrong with you guys? I texted a few and they said they'd see me as soon as they get back. Wow![/QUOTE]Who cares about the body count or money paid? That girl you smashed for $40 bucks is most likely giving it for free and with real emotion to some no-name scrub who is cleaning trash down at the panaderia. Mongering is about enjoying a moment's time where you get to have an experience (have sex, feel young, wanted, virile, whatever), even if it's fake. She found her worth in the global market, nothing more or less.

The constant humble bragging about how you get it for cheap or free is no less annoying than rich dudes flaunting their ability to buy supermodels. Stop thinking about other dudes and enjoy your own time.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2926787]Buying her a drink is a courtesy he chose. She didn't bother him for a drink and I would assume you would buy a girl a drink for a quick chat if you want to pay to bang her.
[/QUOTE]The OP said she asked for a drink. There is no need to buy the girl a drink to just have a few words or initial interview. It's just giving money away to the club. If you want girl to sit and spend time with you, then that is another story.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926664]One thing about this girl, is she knows how to handle me despite her young age. I am the type who has high expectations and can be fairly impatient. She knows how to talk me down whenever I get riled up.[/QUOTE]I would just tell her my requirement in WhatsApp and not in person. Given that she just had a kid, that means she had sex without condom with other men. BBBJ should be default. 300 is a large amount of money if she is not a working girl and needs money. 22 is not young in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2926928]I would just tell her my requirement in WhatsApp and not in person. Given that she just had a kid, that means she had sex without condom with other men. BBBJ should be default. 300 is a large amount of money if she is not a working girl and needs money. I won't even pay her that much. 22 is not young in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Well, she claimed she got knocked up by a guy she was in a relationship with who then bailed on her. I believe her. I feel like I am kind of locked in to 300 k at this point, and given her situation, I know it's going to a good cause.

It's a good thing she's only a semi-pro, because I probably wouldn't even have a chance at her if she did it full time. Some rich guy would likely be leaned back in a recliner somewhere in France or Switzerland with his eyes rolling out of the back of his head. This girl has magnificent oral skills.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2926922]Who cares about the body count or money paid? That girl you smashed for $40 bucks is most likely giving it for free and with real emotion to some no-name scrub who is cleaning trash down at the panaderia. Mongering is about enjoying a moment's time where you get to have an experience (have sex, feel young, wanted, virile, whatever), even if it's fake. She found her worth in the global market, nothing more or less.

The constant humble bragging about how you get it for cheap or free is no less annoying than rich dudes flaunting their ability to buy supermodels. Stop thinking about other dudes and enjoy your own time.[/QUOTE]I have personally more than 10 chicas in the past few months who began to travel with their benefactors. The chicas are in Dubai, Turkey and Italy. Couple of them started off in new life and one other centro casa but most come from dating sites and fb. I am amazed at the upward mobility of these chicas. They send me pics of cool resorts off italian coast or from malls in Dubai. I cannot but smile reminiscing the time I spent with them in their barrios in doce Oct. Or popular etc.

I used to feel good taking these chicas from those barrios to bars and restaurants in provenza and envigado. Now some one is taking them to 80 USD drink places in europe. Thats a long way to go.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2926922]Who cares about the body count or money paid? That girl you smashed for $40 bucks is most likely giving it for free and with real emotion to some no-name scrub who is cleaning trash down at the panaderia. Mongering is about enjoying a moment's time where you get to have an experience (have sex, feel young, wanted, virile, whatever), even if it's fake. She found her worth in the global market, nothing more or less.
[/QUOTE]What a clown response. Needlessly aggressive way to spew your silly world view. If a guy wants to take a girl who's has a body count in the triple digits on a several thousand dollar trip instead of finding a non-pro that's on him. Don't get all butt hurt because those of us who can take non-pros on trips find it disgusting and utterly sad for some men, that's their only option. I'm not bragging about spending $40. That's what the experience was worth for 15 minutes of pleasure. It's people like you who feel like there's nothing wrong with spending endless amounts of money on pros. You're part of the reason the prices are going up. With your silly "Hey Guys if you want to spend $500 for one night with a girl who's going to bang 5 other guys that week go ahead and do it" nonsense. Not everybody shares your world view, and I don't appreciate you trying to force that pathetic worldview down my throat. Here we all have different perspectives and you should respect that instead of getting butt hurt and telling people how they should see the world.

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[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926937]I probably wouldn't even have a chance at her if she did it full time[/QUOTE]I think this is because she does not know how things work, or how to find customers. That is why you don't have to pay her that much and can negotiate from the position of strength. You can always have more sessions with her to make her work for your money. Money is like drug. They can get addicted to it in her situation. If you pay her more per fuck, you are going to lose some leverage.

I can relate to those cleanup issues. I've definitely been on my hands and knees searching for stray hairs or worse yet condoms and condom wrappers. For me it's about not wanting to come off as a complete man working girl as well as coming off as neat and clean. I do date a bunch and also embrace ambiguity, which is fhe opposite of most of you and prevailing advice. But its worked really well for me. Lately I've been buying and bringing 5 ML atomizers I fill with 4 or 5 of my favorite scents. Partly It's fun to ask girls which one they like best and tailor to them as well as having options for myself. More importantly, I also spray the bed with a different one than the one I'm wearing that day if I've after having a girl over.

My question to you is have you asked your girlfriend if she's open to the idea of a trio? It might just be my luck but my ex and another couple semi / nonpro girls I know are cool with trios. I've known one of those girls for a year and a half and just had my first trio with her recentlu. She's been catching feelings for me a bit and morphed from a semipro to coming over for free and our sex has just been getting crazier and crazier. Anyway during the trio she must have squirted 4 times including with the other girl getting her off with a vibrator. Mind you she'd never been with another girl before and I had no idea how it was going to go. What was hot, though, was when we talked afterwards she said what turned her on the most was pleasing me and watching me during the trio. I knew she was a pleaser but that turned it up a notch. She knows I see other women and doesn't make any demands on me besides condoms with other girls. But I personally would have no issue committing to a woman who would be open to trios or swinging and limiting my experiences with other women to shared activities.

Anyway, the point is you can find girls that are up for trios and swinging here pretty easily and your girlfriend might be one of them. I've yet to meet a Colombian woman wirh sexual hangups and I've never had a negative response to a respectful conversation about sexual likes and dislikes. If she's into trios or open to swinging its perfect way to have your cake and eat it too without risking your relationship.

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One thing I didn't have to worry about after sex: hairs. My girlfriend and the Vennie both have black hair of about the same length, so any hairs found in the room from that point on would not arouse any suspicion. But the thing that bothered the shit out of me was the condoms in the trash can. I was constantly worried that my girlfriend would somehow find them when she was in the bathroom taking a shower. And there is no way of explaining my way around that, even though I've never used condoms with her so there is still a glimmer of very implausible deniability. There is no logical reason that a woman would take a trash bag out of a trash can in a hotel, but women do weird shit like that
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[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2926888]At the risk of beating a dead horse, I haven't seen anyone state this: The Kapn was negotiating pesos for time. In this instance, he wasn't negotiating per leche. That's no big deal; I never negotiate that way either. But if I make a deal for an amount of pesos for an amount of time, that's exactly what I'm doing. She's agreed to be with me for 3 hours for a payment. If I choose to bang her for 180 minutes, that's what she signed up for. But if I take her to dinner, a movie, a club or any other activity for 180 minutes, I'm saying she has fulfilled her end of the agreement. If she cut it short, then I'd say she's not entitled to the amount. But if the monger just decides to cancel it? Nah.

It seems to me that there was an opportunity for clarity, which the Kapn already acknowledged. Ignoring all the ways this could have gone wrong with locals, I do think if I agree to a price and length, then we've made a deal. I'm not saying Kapn owes her 500 k. But I do think he owes her something for shrugging and following her out.

One last comment here, because we are all suffering from the gringo hatred. Or at least the entitled attitude. But think about this interaction. Girl agrees to get plowed for 500 k. A gringo goes with her, backs out of the deal, and hands her 5 k? We're talking little more than a dollar. I know the conversation devolved and ended poorly and there's more than one person to blame for that. But, it did further cement the gringo impression. I don't know the appropriate amount. 100 k seems too much but handing her a 5 k bill is just borderline insulting.

I'd feel entirely different if the agreement was more clear. And I've done the 'let's go to a different club' approach. But if we come to an agreement of 500 k, unless she fails to hold up her end, I'm on the hook for it. We negotiate time 9 times out of 10.[/QUOTE]I respect your view on this and it honestly is something I have never really thought hard about. In my relatively short time mongering, I have always assumed that the clock does not "start" until, at the very earliest, the moment the girl and I step into the hotel room or private room. I generally assume that the clock doesn't start until our clothes start coming off or there is some type of foreplay. And many times I will look at my watch before we get started and confirm that the time has just now started and ends at X time. Then set my watch on the nightstand so I can pace myself. I have never yet had a single girl tell me that the clock started before we walked in the room.

Now you are telling me that, in your view, the clock starts to run from the moment you walk out of the bar / club. If it takes you 20 minutes to get from the bar to the hotel and check-in, then you have only 40 minutes left, is my understanding of what you are saying. That blows my mind.

But honestly, I can't really prove you wrong. I usually do ask how much it costs for a certain amount of time and get a price. I have never specified when the time starts. I have always assumed that "one hour" means "one hour of sex. " And I think it does to most people. No one is agreeing to pay a chica 500 k to go to dinner or a movie with them. But I really hate having to rely on an unspoken assumption to get what I bargained for.

So thank you for your response, because I know it is going to save me trouble down the road. I can assure you that if I had gone to the room with that girl and she had told me that I was already 20 minutes into my hour, I would have been irate. Just hearing your view confirms that I made a great decision to walk away as soon as my ears stopped ringing. That situation was about to go south very quickly.

I have been tempted to walk into bars with a typed-out and printed piece of paper folded in my pocket which spells out in explicit detail all of my terms and conditions for a sex-for-money agreement. Including when the clock starts, when money will be paid, and any allowable deductions for incomplete performance. With a blank space for the time and amount of money, and two blanks at the bottom for me and the chica to sign. One copy for me, one copy for her. I have brushed that idea aside because it seems overly formal and tacky. But the more time I have spent in Colombia, and the more viewpoints like yours I have seen in this forum, the more I feel like doing that should be common procedure. It some ways it seems sad, but in other ways it seems almost necessary.

I totally disagree with you that 5 k is "insulting. " If you tip your Uber driver 5 k for taking you from Laureles to Poblado, he will be very happy and not the least bit insulted. In some cases, he might not make 5 k on the ride itself. And he is performing a very valuable service for you. So why should a chica who has performed zero service for you be "insulted" with a 5 k tip plus a free drink?

The insulting thing is when someone starts "converting" pesos to dollars to justify foreigners paying more money simply because they are foreigners. As has been reiterated on this thread, Medellin is not Miami. Just like it costs a chica money to get to the club, it costs us money to get to the club too. Our time when we are there is also valuable, I would say just as valuable as the chicas. So when I start hearing comments like "that's only $20" from greedy tourist-trap operating Colombians, I think, "there are many people in this city who worked hard all day and didn't make that much. " What makes them feel entitled to more than others earn in a day, just because they think they can guilt a foreigner from a wealthy into paying it? The insult is thinking we are dumb enough to fall for it.

I really am at loss for how to handle the situation better than I did. Some say I owe her something. But if I offer too little, it's an "insult. " But don't pay what the door man suggested, that's too much. But make sure to pay enough that you don't get beaten up by random dudes trying to defend her honor. Haha. I just have to shake my head and say to each his own.

As for the reputation of gringos in Medellin, that's already been shot to pieces hasn't it? Maybe if we had more gringos walking away from questionable situations, our reputation would actually improve. Just a thought.

All I really ask is to be treated the same as a local or a Latino tourist. I can tell you that when I was in Lima, I felt that I was treated the same as a local in virtually every respect, and maybe even better in some instances. And I really appreciated that. Meanwhile, gringo tourists in Medellin collectively seem to have no problem with the adult entertainment industry treating them like social pariahs and walking ATMs. If we don't start demanding some respect, it will only get worse. Fortunately, Medellin isn't the only place to monger. So maybe many of those punters waiting in that snaking immigration line should consider heading to greener pastures in Latin America. I honestly think the city of Medellin would prefer that; they don't seem to want us there.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2926969]I can relate to those cleanup issues. I've definitely been on my hands and knees searching for stray hairs or worse yet condoms and condom wrappers. For me it's about not wanting to come off as a complete man working girl as well as coming off as neat and clean. I do date a bunch and also embrace ambiguity, which is fhe opposite of most of you and prevailing advice. But its worked really well for me. Lately I've been buying and bringing 5 ML atomizers I fill with 4 or 5 of my favorite scents. Partly It's fun to ask girls which one they like best and tailor to them as well as having options for myself. More importantly, I also spray the bed with a different one than the one I'm wearing that day if I've after having a girl over.

My question to you is have you asked your girlfriend if she's open to the idea of a trio? It might just be my luck but my ex and another couple semi / nonpro girls I know are cool with trios. I've known one of those girls for a year and a half and just had my first trio with her recentlu. She's been catching feelings for me a bit and morphed from a semipro to coming over for free and our sex has just been getting crazier and crazier. Anyway during the trio she must have squirted 4 times including with the other girl getting her off with a vibrator. Mind you she'd never been with another girl before and I had no idea how it was going to go. What was hot, though, was when we talked afterwards she said what turned her on the most was pleasing me and watching me during the trio. I knew she was a pleaser but that turned it up a notch. She knows I see other women and doesn't make any demands on me besides condoms with other girls. But I personally would have no issue committing to a woman who would be open to trios or swinging and limiting my experiences with other women to shared activities.

Anyway, the point is you can find girls that are up for trios and swinging here pretty easily and your girlfriend might be one of them. I've yet to meet a Colombian woman wirh sexual hangups and I've never had a negative response to a respectful conversation about sexual likes and dislikes. If she's into trios or open to swinging its perfect way to have your cake and eat it too without risking your relationship.[/QUOTE]I am 99.9% certain that my girlfriend would recoil at the idea of a trio. So sure, in fact, that I would not even suggest it. Honestly, the idea does not appeal to me, because I like to keep my relationship with her and my mongering activities completely separate. I might have a change of heart once she and I get quite a bit older.

And based on your description of your threesome, I am now sure that mine did not go as well as possible. Congrats on finding a real gem there. I wouldn't mind having a regular girl who is genuinely into threesomes, but haven't been lucky enough to find one yet.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2926888]At the risk of beating a dead horse, I haven't seen anyone state this: The Kapn was negotiating pesos for time. In this instance, he wasn't negotiating per leche. That's no big deal; I never negotiate that way either.

0.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Just curious why you negotiate that way.

I guess to argue against myself sometimes I pop fast and sometimes I chilling with the girl. I dno I'm wondering if I'm missing out on an opportunity I didn't think about by negotiating per hour instead.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2926869]I would 'like' your comment if it was an option on the site. Everything you said is exactly right.[/QUOTE]If this is the case then why even go outside of your house? Local goons do not need a hooker that walked outside and did not get paid as an excuse to whoop a foreigner's ass and take his money. They can whoop your ass and take all your money on gp and not have to split it with some random hooker. You guys and these old wives tales.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2926888]But if we come to an agreement of 500 k, unless she fails to hold up her end, I'm on the hook for it. We negotiate time 9 times out of 10.[/QUOTE]You know how many hookers have gone with someone and did not hold up their end? Then what? Does she say I know I promised a blow job without a condom, but I will not do that. Only give me 350 K instead of the 500 K you promised. No she does not. She still wants the 500 K. So whether she holds up her end or not, you are still on the hook for the full money.

Then if he had taken her and things went awry, people would say you should have seen the red flags. I do not know about you, but I am definitely not paying for red flags. Either way the shit goes, people are always going to say the monger is at fault.

She can walk out with 5 dudes per night and start some goofy shit when they get outside. Let some people tell it, each person should still give her 100,000 pesos, so she goes home with 500,000 pesos for doing shit all night except escorting folks outside. Then down the road you got people complaining about how the girls do, when they fostered it by paying them anyway when they did it. Guys are their own worst enemy when it comes to women.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926937]Well, she claimed she got knocked up by a guy she was in a relationship with who then bailed on her. [/QUOTE]That was your time to say and look at me still here and you will not even suck my dick without a condom. I must be doing something wrong if you are going to treat a guy that leaves you like a king, but one that keeps giving you 300 K like a stranger.

[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2927000]Interesting. Just curious why you negotiate that way.

I guess to argue against myself sometimes I pop fast and sometimes I chilling with the girl. I dno I'm wondering if I'm missing out on an opportunity I didn't think about by negotiating per hour instead.[/QUOTE]I could be very wrong. But I'm operating on the assumption most of us negotiate in terms of time. That's what the Kapn said, but I do know some negotiate per shot. Why do I negotiate on time? Well, two reasons. One: I'm old. On a good day I get two shots. So I try for a daytime shot and a nighttime option. A second shot won't happen without a couple hours in between. Getting old sucks. Haha But almost as importantly, I do not want to be rushed. In fact, there are few things that are more of a turnoff to me than a chica trying to speed things along. Especially with a condom, I'm pretty lucky if I shoot off in 30 minutes. So generally, I prefer longer dates. Somewhere between 2 and 3 hours is my sweet spot. I like to make some level of connection. I am convinced that is the most important ingredient to a less transactional interaction. I'm just not into wham bam now leave. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that approach, if that's what you enjoy. It's just not me. So, for those reasons, I always negotiate time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2927060]That was your time to say and look at me still here and you will not even suck my dick without a condom. I must be doing something wrong if you are going to treat a guy that leaves you like a king, but one that keeps giving you 300 K like a stranger.[/QUOTE]Haha! Man, I tried everything. I actually didn't find out about her having a baby until after the deed was done and we were at dinner. Maybe I could have used that one if I had known sooner. I'll definitely tuck it away for next time.

Now that she has made me think about it so much and has put up so much resistance, it will be quite a thrill if she ever does it for me. Maybe that's her plan. Keep me satisfied but always wanting more.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926979]I respect your view on this and it honestly is something I have never really thought hard about. In my relatively short time mongering, I have always assumed that the clock does not "start" until, at the very earliest, the moment the girl and I step into the hotel room or private room. I generally assume that the clock doesn't start until our clothes start coming off or there is some type of foreplay. And many times I will look at my watch before we get started and confirm that the time has just now started and ends at X time. Then set my watch on the nightstand so I can pace myself. I have never yet had a single girl tell me that the clock started before we walked in the room.

Now you are telling me that, in your view, the clock starts to run from the moment you walk out of the bar / club. If it takes you 20 minutes to get from the bar to the hotel and check-in, then you have only 40 minutes left, is my understanding of what you are saying. That blows my mind.

But honestly, I can't really prove you wrong. I usually do ask how much it costs for a certain amount of time and get a price. I have never specified when the time starts. I have always assumed that "one hour" means "one hour of sex. " And I think it does to most people. No one is agreeing to pay a chica 500 k to go to dinner or a movie with them. But I really hate having to rely on an unspoken assumption to get what I bargained for.

So thank you for your response, because I know it is going to save me trouble down the road. I can assure you that if I had gone to the room with that girl and she had told me that I was already 20 minutes into my hour, I would have been irate. Just hearing your view confirms that I made a great decision to walk away as soon as my ears stopped ringing. That situation was about to go south very quickly.

I have been tempted to walk into bars with a typed-out and printed piece of paper folded in my pocket which spells out in explicit detail all of my terms and conditions for a sex-for-money agreement. Including when the clock starts, when money will be paid, and any allowable deductions for incomplete performance. With a blank space for the time and amount of money, and two blanks at the bottom for me and the chica to sign. One copy for me, one copy for her. I have brushed that idea aside because it seems overly formal and tacky. But the more time I have spent in Colombia, and the more viewpoints like yours I have seen in this forum, the more I feel like doing that should be common procedure. It some ways it seems sad, but in other ways it seems almost necessary.

I totally disagree with you that 5 k is "insulting. " If you tip your Uber driver 5 k for taking you from Laureles to Poblado, he will be very happy and not the least bit insulted. In some cases, he might not make 5 k on the ride itself. And he is performing a very valuable service for you. So why should a chica who has performed zero service for you be "insulted" with a 5 k tip plus a free drink?

The insulting thing is when someone starts "converting" pesos to dollars to justify foreigners paying more money simply because they are foreigners. As has been reiterated on this thread, Medellin is not Miami. Just like it costs a chica money to get to the club, it costs us money to get to the club too. Our time when we are there is also valuable, I would say just as valuable as the chicas. So when I start hearing comments like "that's only $20" from greedy tourist-trap operating Colombians, I think, "there are many people in this city who worked hard all day and didn't make that much. " What makes them feel entitled to more than others earn in a day, just because they think they can guilt a foreigner from a wealthy into paying it? The insult is thinking we are dumb enough to fall for it.

I really am at loss for how to handle the situation better than I did. Some say I owe her something. But if I offer too little, it's an "insult. " But don't pay what the door man suggested, that's too much. But make sure to pay enough that you don't get beaten up by random dudes trying to defend her honor. Haha. I just have to shake my head and say to each his own.

As for the reputation of gringos in Medellin, that's already been shot to pieces hasn't it? Maybe if we had more gringos walking away from questionable situations, our reputation would actually improve. Just a thought.

All I really ask is to be treated the same as a local or a Latino tourist. I can tell you that when I was in Lima, I felt that I was treated the same as a local in virtually every respect, and maybe even better in some instances. And I really appreciated that. Meanwhile, gringo tourists in Medellin collectively seem to have no problem with the adult entertainment industry treating them like social pariahs and walking ATMs. If we don't start demanding some respect, it will only get worse. Fortunately, Medellin isn't the only place to monger. So maybe many of those punters waiting in that snaking immigration line should consider heading to greener pastures in Latin America. I honestly think the city of Medellin would prefer that; they don't seem to want us there.[/QUOTE]My understanding is the deal was 500 mil for 1 HR of sex, correct? If so, why did you want to check out another club with her? You expected her to hang out with you at some other place for some time, and only after that, head back to your hotel? This doesn't make any sense. Of course she wanted to go straight to your hotel, and once you are done, probably head back to gustos to get another client or just call it a night and go home. Another thing, is that you bailed out once you got out of the club. You could not make up your mind while in the club? I don't get it. Either you are interested in fucking her and make a deal you commit to, or don't make a deal at all. Make up your mind, you are a grown man.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926979]I really am at loss for how to handle the situation better than I did.[/QUOTE]You made many questionable choices that put yourself in a disadvantageous position. What matters is what would you do next time in the same situation?

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2926962]You're just a bitter soul that hates on women .[/QUOTE]Then don't call those women ugly. They are just innocent bystanders.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926979]I really am at loss for how to handle the situation better than I did. Some say I owe her something. But if I offer too little, it's an "insult. " But don't pay what the door man suggested, that's too much. But make sure to pay enough that you don't get beaten up by random dudes trying to defend her honor. Haha. I just have to shake my head and say to each his own.
[/QUOTE]Yeah, don't get me wrong; I don't think there was a "correct" amount to pay her and I think you did the best you could in that situation since that is a major edge case in the situation of cancelling a session. I think you paid a reasonable amount for what the situation entailed since you "made good" on cancelling the session and the bouncer let you walk off. In another situation, with another bouncer, you might have had to pay more or get your ass kicked and that would have been described to you explicitly. And whatever you paid that that point would have been fair.

The important part to note (and how to better handle the situation in the future) is you should just know that walking out of the bar with a chick is an admission that you want to pay for sex and that is the expectation. Yes, you have some leeway to get back to you place and the "clock" doesn't start until you generally get to the apartment, but there is an expectation of paying a chick for time wasted unless she is the one trying to back out. You can't just expect to take a prepago out to bars for hours on end then start the clock / pay for a 30 minute sex session. Again, your situation was an edge case on the other end of the spectrum and some girls might have even let it slide, but it's still the expectation to adhere to.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2927093]My understanding is the deal was 500 mil for 1 HR of sex, correct? If so, why did you want to check out another club with her? You expected her to hang out with you at some other place for some time, and only after that, head back to your hotel? This doesn't make any sense. Of course she wanted to go straight to your hotel, and once you are done, probably head back to gustos to get another client or just call it a night and go home. Another thing, is that you bailed out once you got out of the club. You could not make up your mind while in the club? I don't get it. Either you are interested in fucking her and make a deal you commit to, or don't make a deal at all. Make up your mind, you are a grown man.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice, Miami Boy. I didn't make a deal and no, I could not make up my mind while I was in the club. Maybe after some more flirting and clubbing I could have been convinced to fuck her for 400 k, but at the time we stepped out of the club, it was a definite "no" for me. 500 k was her counteroffer and, although that is a reasonable counter in Gusto's, that was never going to happen no matter how much time we spent together.

So she seemed like a nice enough girl in the club, and I wanted to give her the opportunity to persuade me further to take her to bed, by perhaps accompanying me to other clubs. Her demeanor changed once we got outside the club and that was a big turn off for me. She didn't seem interested in investing more time and energy to convince me to make a deal for sex, which up to that point, I hadn't made. So that's when I made up my mind to walk away. Like a grown man.

Now that I know some on this forum could have construed her counteroffer as proposing 500 k for an hour of doing anything, I am very glad I made the decision I did. Because I could have spent an hour with that girl at another club, thinking she was trying hard to earn my business, and then she could have claimed I owed her 500 k. What a disaster that would have been.

For 400 k, I expect a girl to invest some serious time and energy into getting me into bed. Especially in a high end club with cover and overpriced drinks. It might take half the night for me to decide, and my final decision might be that I'm still not interested.

As for the guys who say "that's not how it works", well, that's how it works with me. Remember the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules. If she wants my money badly enough, she'll do what it takes to get me to agree to give it to her. If I want her pussy badly enough, I'll do what she requires for me to get it. But what I won't do is guilt myself into handing out free money that hasn't been earned.

Next time I am in a Colombian club or bar, I'm going to do a little experiment. I am going to ask the girl early on in the conversation whether she expects money for anything other than sex. If she says yes, I will tell her thank you and that will be the end of our conversation. On to the next one. If she says no, we proceed on. I'll then emphasize that the time she spends with me that night may not ultimately lead to sex, and she might not receive any money from spending time with me. Are you ok with that? She either accepts or the conversation ends. I'll be sure to report back on the results.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2927109]The important part to note (and how to better handle the situation in the future) is you should just know that walking out of the bar with a chick is an admission that you want to pay for sex and that is the expectation. Yes, you have some leeway to get back to you place and the "clock" doesn't start until you generally get to the apartment, but there is an expectation of paying a chick for time wasted unless she is the one trying to back out. You can't just expect to take a prepago out to bars for hours on end then start the clock / pay for a 30 minute sex session. Again, your situation was an edge case on the other end of the spectrum and some girls might have even let it slide, but it's still the expectation to adhere to.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the kind words and good advice. It's good to know what the general expectations are. Now I know more about when I need to communicate and clarify my way of approaching things which is not in line with those standard expectations, to avoid awkward situations and misunderstanding in the future.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926979]I respect your view on this and it honestly is something I have never really thought hard about. In my relatively short time mongering, I have always assumed that the clock does not "start" until, at the very earliest, the moment the girl and I step into the hotel room or private room. I generally assume that the clock doesn't start until our clothes start coming off or there is some type of foreplay. And many times I will look at my watch before we get started and confirm that the time has just now started and ends at X time. Then set my watch on the nightstand so I can pace myself. I have never yet had a single girl tell me that the clock started before we walked in the room.

Now you are telling me that, in your view, the clock starts to run from the moment you walk out of the bar / club. If it takes you 20 minutes to get from the bar to the hotel and check-in, then you have only 40 minutes left, is my understanding of what you are saying. That blows my mind.[/QUOTE]Hopefully, others will weigh in here. All I can do is offer my approach and my experience. My perspective: I don't think the time necessarily starts for a 20 minute taxi ride. But if you're going to hang out in other bars for an hour or more, then yes, I think she'd expect to be compensated for that time. Said differently, a taxi ride time is the cost of doing business for her. Going to other clubs is over and above that. But that's just my opinion and we all know about opinions. LOL.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926979]I totally disagree with you that 5 k is "insulting. " If you tip your Uber driver 5 k for taking you from Laureles to Poblado, he will be very happy and not the least bit insulted. In some cases, he might not make 5 k on the ride itself. And he is performing a very valuable service for you. So why should a chica who has performed zero service for you be "insulted" with a 5 k tip plus a free drink?[/QUOTE]I'll agree to disagree here. I totally get what you are saying. And honestly, I can't come up with the right amount. This is a bad analogy. But one reason I don't do alot of mileroticos, facebook, escort sites is because it's somewhat site unseen. If I agree to an hour with a girl from mileroticos and I end up wanting to back out for whatever reason after she arrives, I think it's fair to throw her 20 k or so for taxi and time wasted. Again, bad analogy because your girl wasn't really out any money. (I frequent Gustos often and I'm calling BS on her not being allowed back in. I know first hand they can go back in, so I think she's lying about that.) Like I said, I'll respectfully disagree because I think 20 k or maybe 40 k feels right to me.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926979]I really am at loss for how to handle the situation better than I did. Some say I owe her something. But if I offer too little, it's an "insult. " [/QUOTE]I'm stating the obvious. But brother, you don't own any of us anything. It's your money and your decisions. Opinions are like assholes, right? My own included. My only valid piece of advice would be to come to a more firm agreement before leaving with her. You said you shrugged. So yes, I can see where you can say there was no firm agreement.

You make a fair point about "it's only a couple dollars. " For me, I am ok wasting $4 to keep the peace if we're talking about a grey area. You mentioned being treated like a local. Again. Just my opinion. It'll never happen. I think some gringos that live there year round probably get some discounts and benefits. But they still aren't locals. It's a fact I despise but 95% of paisas see green when they see Americans. It takes a long time to overcome that dynamic and it'll never happen unless you're there full time.

I appreciate your response and best of luck, brother.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2927059]You know how many hookers have gone with someone and did not hold up their end? Then what? Does she say I know I promised a blow job without a condom, but I will not do that. Only give me 350 K instead of the 500 K you promised. No she does not. She still wants the 500 K. So whether she holds up her end or not, you are still on the hook for the full money.

Then if he had taken her and things went awry, people would say you should have seen the red flags. I do not know about you, but I am definitely not paying for red flags. Either way the shit goes, people are always going to say the monger is at fault.

She can walk out with 5 dudes per night and start some goofy shit when they get outside. Let some people tell it, each person should still give her 100,000 pesos, so she goes home with 500,000 pesos for doing shit all night except escorting folks outside. Then down the road you got people complaining about how the girls do, when they fostered it by paying them anyway when they did it. Guys are their own worst enemy when it comes to women.[/QUOTE]We're talking about two very different things. In your scenairo, there is a clear agreement. And she didn't hold up her end of the argument. To be honest, I guess I've been lucky but I've never had that come up. Colombia or elsewhere, I've never had a girl not deliever on what we discussed. (Talent level aside. LOL) So I can only answer hypothetically but if she doesn't hold up her end of the deal, neither am I. I'm not paying for services not rendered. Call the police. LOL I realize the bravado I'm able to employ in a hypothetical. But I'd go to the mat if she backs out of services we agree to.

That's very different than what the OP stated. There was a somewhat ambiguous agreement. They hadn't even gone in a taxi. And I'm saying 20 k, not 150 k difference. Listen, I see both sides on this. An argument can be made for either side. In the end, as I said, I think the monger is at fault because they were negotiating TIME. If I'm going to consume a not insignificant amount of her time by going to other clubs, I do think she'd expect to be compensated for that time. He did not consume that time so he doesn't owe her the 500 k. My interpretation was the monger was at fault for the ambiguity and 5 usd seems like a small concession. Is that mandatory? Of course not. But just my opinion. Did my $5 just ruin the price structure? No, it did not.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926979]Now you are telling me that, in your view, the clock starts to run from the moment you walk out of the bar / club. If it takes you 20 minutes to get from the bar to the hotel and check-in, then you have only 40 minutes left, is my understanding of what you are saying. That blows my mind.

I totally disagree with you that 5 k is "insulting. " If you tip your Uber driver 5 k for taking you from Laureles to Poblado, he will be very happy and not the least bit insulted. In some cases, he might not make 5 k on the ride itself. And he is performing a very valuable service for you. So why should a chica who has performed zero service for you be "insulted" with a 5 k tip plus a free drink?[/QUOTE]Blows my mind too. But you have to understand this is gringo culture that they have brought to Colombia. This is how they have turned the place into Miamillin.

You can go into a strip club or casa where Colombians are and watch them drink and shoot the shit with a girl and touch on her all afternoon or night. When they get up to go home after not fucking the chick, they leave nothing and are expected to leave nothing. But with gringo culture you must even pay the chick for buying her a drink and her having a conversation with you because you are "taking up her time. ".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2927054]If this is the case then why even go outside of your house? Local goons do not need a hooker that walked outside and did not get paid as an excuse to whoop a foreigner's ass and take his money. They can whoop your ass and take all your money on gp and not have to split it with some random hooker. You guys and these old wives tales.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what your point was. If, indeed, there was one. I live in Medellin. I haven't gotten my ass kicked, mostly because I am not stupid enough to give anyone a reason. I don't walk out of a contact / meeting bar with a girl and then decide I don't want to go with her after-all AND refuse to give her something that will soothe the situation. Did she deserve it? No, probably not. But a smarter person might think of it as insurance. 10 or 15 dollars worth of COP insures she isn't pissed and I don't have to worry that she might have a primo or ex in the area who would put me in the ICU just for being an asshole.

[QUOTE=Hobo3;2926958]What a clown response. Needlessly aggressive way to spew your silly world view. If a guy wants to take a girl who's has a body count in the triple digits on a several thousand dollar trip instead of finding a non-pro that's on him. Don't get all butt hurt because those of us who can take non-pros on trips find it disgusting and utterly sad for some men, that's their only option. I'm not bragging about spending $40. That's what the experience was worth for 15 minutes of pleasure. It's people like you who feel like there's nothing wrong with spending endless amounts of money on pros. You're part of the reason the prices are going up. With your silly "Hey Guys if you want to spend $500 for one night with a girl who's going to bang 5 other guys that week go ahead and do it" nonsense. Not everybody shares your world view, and I don't appreciate you trying to force that pathetic worldview down my throat. Here we all have different perspectives and you should respect that instead of getting butt hurt and telling people how they should see the world.[/QUOTE]So you get to post the 1 millionth iteration of "why are simps paying girls more than 20 k, they are all Centro rats" but me calling out the behavior is "forcing a worldview"? The snowflake behavior is wild sometimes. I respect people finding the best deal that works for them. Yes, there is a line on overpaying for girls that is frustrating and I, myself, would never pay for a girl's OF unless I was getting a private 1-on-1 meetup from it, but most of these complaints always boil down the perceived injustice of being priced out of a market rather than actually missing out on beautiful women.

If I really did think people should spend whatever they want, I wouldn't be coming to Medellin in August to sample the women. I would just be paying OF models or something. It's just tiring to hear about people crying over oil sheiks paying girls to come to Dubai. Those dudes are rich. Those thousands they spend are worth less to them the 50 k pesos you are spending in Centro. Make peace with it. If you want to talk about price inflation or Lleras pricing, sure, but the rest is just complaining.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2927158]So you get to post the 1 millionth iteration of "why are simps paying girls more than 20 k, they are all Centro rats" but me calling out the behavior is "forcing a worldview"? The snowflake behavior is wild sometimes. I respect people finding the best deal that works for them. Yes, there is a line on overpaying for girls that is frustrating and I, myself, would never pay for a girl's OF unless I was getting a private 1-on-1 meetup from it, but most of these complaints always boil down the perceived injustice of being priced out of a market rather than actually missing out on beautiful women.

If I really did think people should spend whatever they want, I wouldn't be coming to Medellin in August to sample the women. I would just be paying OF models or something. It's just tiring to hear about people crying over oil sheiks paying girls to come to Dubai. Those dudes are rich. Those thousands they spend are worth less to them the 50 k pesos you are spending in Centro. Make peace with it. If you want to talk about price inflation or Lleras pricing, sure, but the rest is just complaining.[/QUOTE]The constant beating of the same dead horse from same exact type of monger. You're ruining the price LOL.

The best quote I ever heard to debunk this dumb theory.

"What one pays for his steak will not effect the price of what one pays for his burger ".

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2927063]I could be very wrong. But I'm operating on the assumption most of us negotiate in terms of time. That's what the Kapn said, but I do know some negotiate per shot. Why do I negotiate on time? Well, two reasons. One: I'm old. On a good day I get two shots. So I try for a daytime shot and a nighttime option. A second shot won't happen without a couple hours in between. Getting old sucks. Haha But almost as importantly, I do not want to be rushed. In fact, there are few things that are more of a turnoff to me than a chica trying to speed things along. Especially with a condom, I'm pretty lucky if I shoot off in 30 minutes. So generally, I prefer longer dates. Somewhere between 2 and 3 hours is my sweet spot. I like to make some level of connection. I am convinced that is the most important ingredient to a less transactional interaction. I'm just not into wham bam now leave. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that approach, if that's what you enjoy. It's just not me. So, for those reasons, I always negotiate time.[/QUOTE]I am sorta getting on the older side. Tmi my guy needs meds to stay up sometimes esp if I'm on party treats.

So I completely agree with what you said. I also agree making a connections makes the sex more enjoyable for me too.

Oddly enough even though I agree with all your points I still negotiate per shot. At least in my small experience. The girls hurry and rush out but don't hury me as much in the bed.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2927122]Thanks for the advice, Miami Boy. I didn't make a deal and no, I could not make up my mind while I was in the club. Maybe after some more flirting and clubbing I could have been convinced to fuck her for 400 k, but at the time we stepped out of the club, it was a definite "no" for me. 500 k was her counteroffer and, although that is a reasonable counter in Gusto's, that was never going to happen no matter how much time we spent together.

So she seemed like a nice enough girl in the club, and I wanted to give her the opportunity to persuade me further to take her to bed, by perhaps accompanying me to other clubs. Her demeanor changed once we got outside the club and that was a big turn off for me. She didn't seem interested in investing more time and energy to convince me to make a deal for sex, which up to that point, I hadn't made. So that's when I made up my mind to walk away. Like a grown man.

[/QUOTE]Honestly I have no idea what these guys are arguing about with their opinions.

I COMPLETELY agree with what you did.

Once I feel a sudden shift or the thing I "bought" is no longer the product I wanted. I am NOT buying it. Whatever you did after. Who cares. Whatever. You still kept that money in your pocket. Better then paying for buyers remorse. Good report BTW.

[QUOTE=Hobo3;2926783]I'm seeing girls me and my buddies $40 to smash years ago being taken out to France and Switzerland for fancy trips. Are y'all really taking girls who have triple digit body counts to fancy trips around the world? What is wrong with you guys? I texted a few and they said they'd see me as soon as they get back. Wow![/QUOTE]So I see this black girl in Santa Fe once and she is smoking. I am spent but she was the hottest girl I had seen there. On a return trip, I run into it, and she is even better looking up close. She is a workout fiend and has a chiseled body. I think I pay her 50,000 k which is like $12.50 at the time, and she is great in the sack and finishes off with a killer massage. Then we get the fucking knock at the door. I hated it but I really had to go.

I get her number and text her when I return. I ruin things for other guys because this time I ask her, "How much is it so that everyone leaves the fuck alone for a hour?" So we are $25 instead of $12.50. I guess I fucked things up paying that but in reality it was $12.50 for the girl and $12.50 not to be bugged.

The back rub is amazing. I go with that first because I just got off the flight. Then we move onto the main course. We have been texting. She is more comfortable with me and vice versa and she puts me inside her without a condom. Unlike any other time in Santa Fe, the sex is volcanic.

She is so fucking good I start talking about taking her on a trip. Now I mentioned somewhere in Colombia, but if I wanted to go to France and Switzerland, yeah, I would pay her what it took to come. I am not sure what price I would pay but if she was down with taking a trip and asked for $500 a day, I would have done it. What is my alternative? The cost of a woman of that quality in France or Switzerland is $500 an hour and the SF gal would be with me for the day, gives killer massages, fucks me bare, and I happened to like her. The chances of getting better in France or Switzerland is slim to none.

For the life of me, I have never heard a guy balk at fucking a girl with a high body count. I have seen that with relationships but not with just fucking. If any guy with some average looking woman tried to tell me his woman was better because she had a lower body count, I would have laughed in this face.

And then there is the final reason not to do this trip is the market back in Colombia. Are you really asking me or any other guy to give up a week of great sex because of some randos on the internet? LOL. You mean you would give up bareback sex with a women with a killer body for me? LOL. Get the fuck out of here!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2927093]My understanding is the deal was 500 mil for 1 HR of sex, correct? If so, why did you want to check out another club with her? You expected her to hang out with you at some other place for some time, and only after that, head back to your hotel? This doesn't make any sense. Of course she wanted to go straight to your hotel, and once you are done, probably head back to gustos to get another client or just call it a night and go home. Another thing, is that you bailed out once you got out of the club. You could not make up your mind while in the club? I don't get it. Either you are interested in fucking her and make a deal you commit to, or don't make a deal at all. Make up your mind, you are a grown man.[/QUOTE]If 500 mil is considered high end to people and you're expecting full on GFE treatment from girls in higher end establishments then I think Colombia is not the place for you anymore.

La isla is 550 mil standard price for 45 min for a CBJ and CFS. So idk what people are expecting. Maybe the fb scene or centro scene is better off for ones budget is service is most important requirement.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2927122]Thanks for the advice, Miami Boy. I didn't make a deal and no, I could not make up my mind while I was in the club. Maybe after some more flirting and clubbing I could have been convinced to fuck her for 400 k, but at the time we stepped out of the club, it was a definite "no" for me. 500 k was her counteroffer and, although that is a reasonable counter in Gusto's, that was never going to happen no matter how much time we spent together.

So she seemed like a nice enough girl in the club, and I wanted to give her the opportunity to persuade me further to take her to bed, by perhaps accompanying me to other clubs. Her demeanor changed once we got outside the club and that was a big turn off for me. She didn't seem interested in investing more time and energy to convince me to make a deal for sex, which up to that point, I hadn't made. So that's when I made up my mind to walk away. Like a grown man.

Now that I know some on this forum could have construed her counteroffer as proposing 500 k for an hour of doing anything, I am very glad I made the decision I did. Because I could have spent an hour with that girl at another club, thinking she was trying hard to earn my business, and then she could have claimed I owed her 500 k. What a disaster that would have been.

For 400 k, I expect a girl to invest some serious time and energy into getting me into bed. Especially in a high end club with cover and overpriced drinks. It might take half the night for me to decide, and my final decision might be that I'm still not interested.

As for the guys who say "that's not how it works", well, that's how it works with me. Remember the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules. If she wants my money badly enough, she'll do what it takes to get me to agree to give it to her. If I want her pussy badly enough, I'll do what she requires for me to get it. But what I won't do is guilt myself into handing out free money that hasn't been earned.

Next time I am in a Colombian club or bar, I'm going to do a little experiment. I am going to ask the girl early on in the conversation whether she expects money for anything other than sex. If she says yes, I will tell her thank you and that will be the end of our conversation. On to the next one. If she says no, we proceed on. I'll then emphasize that the time she spends with me that night may not ultimately lead to sex, and she might not receive any money from spending time with me. Are you ok with that? She either accepts or the conversation ends. I'll be sure to report back on the results.[/QUOTE]For 400 k in Poblado you want a Gustos girl to seduce you all night and hop around other clubs with the off chance that you're still going to turn her down at the end of the night. And meanwhile if she is hot she is certain to make double or triple that on one night on a weekend.

The issue here is I don't think you understand the logistics of the current state of Medellin.

You're not bringing gold you're bringing a knife to a machine gun fight if you're thinking 400 k is going to get you all that in Gustos. But you were there on a slow night. And I'm with Miami boy. I was understanding that you made the agreement. She wanted 600 you got her down to 500. Then outside she desperately was willing to go down to your 400.

Times have changed. Look at the migracióand line in medellin. When I first started going literally no one was on line. Now it's a 3 hour wait all day with the line running up to walkway. It's common sense. Girls know they have options.

The default expectation I've found for most girls off Facebook or social media is more that they are sticking around for 2 or 3 hours and fucking once, maybe more if they are into it. They will leave faster and only fuck you once if you are lame. But I will write off or have a clarifying conversation with any woman who quotes me per hour in Medellin. Usually when I state I don't do per hour and what my experience has been they agree / back off for the price we had been talking about. Now a casa or Mileroticos girl is different. That's going to be more strictly time based. But the expectation is you are going to go for a second or more polvo if you book an hour. I was doing an hour at Zandalys for 80 k and a couple polvos when I was in Medellin last week (with extras costing a bit more depending).

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2927063]I could be very wrong. But I'm operating on the assumption most of us negotiate in terms of time. That's what the Kapn said, but I do know some negotiate per shot. Why do I negotiate on time? Well, two reasons. One: I'm old. On a good day I get two shots. So I try for a daytime shot and a nighttime option. A second shot won't happen without a couple hours in between. Getting old sucks. Haha But almost as importantly, I do not want to be rushed. In fact, there are few things that are more of a turnoff to me than a chica trying to speed things along. Especially with a condom, I'm pretty lucky if I shoot off in 30 minutes. So generally, I prefer longer dates. Somewhere between 2 and 3 hours is my sweet spot. I like to make some level of connection. I am convinced that is the most important ingredient to a less transactional interaction. I'm just not into wham bam now leave. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that approach, if that's what you enjoy. It's just not me. So, for those reasons, I always negotiate time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo;2926618]I love Baroque music, but I think you'll find the women more into Reggaeton in Medellin.[/QUOTE]My experience is that most (chicas about 20 years old) prefer electronica. For my sex sessions I prefer reggaeton and many ask me to change it over to electronica. Even the ones that say it's ok say they prefer electronica.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2927235]My experience is that most (chicas about 20 years old) prefer electronica. For my sex sessions I prefer reggaeton and many ask me to change it over to electronica. Even the ones that say it's ok say they prefer electronica.[/QUOTE]I was responding to the poster that said he went to a Bach party in Medellin (if I'm not mistaken). I love the composer J.S. Bach, but I have to think this Bach is something completely different (maybe Electronica?). If there is such an event for J.S. Bach, I'd love to know when / where it is.

Yes, both Reggaeton and Electronica are what most of the chicas like.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2927209]For 400 k in Poblado you want a Gustos girl to seduce you all night and hop around other clubs with the off chance that you're still going to turn her down at the end of the night. And meanwhile if she is hot she is certain to make double or triple that on one night on a weekend.

The issue here is I don't think you understand the logistics of the current state of Medellin.

You're not bringing gold you're bringing a knife to a machine gun fight if you're thinking 400 k is going to get you all that in Gustos. But you were there on a slow night. And I'm with Miami boy. I was understanding that you made the agreement. She wanted 600 you got her down to 500. Then outside she desperately was willing to go down to your 400.

Times have changed. Look at the migraciand line in medellin. When I first started going literally no one was on line. Now it's a 3 hour wait all day with the line running up to walkway. It's common sense. Girls know they have options.[/QUOTE]His experiment will fail and he will proudly be pleasuring himself in his hotel room, thinking what an alpha male he is rejecting all these women and saving the money. There is nothing wrong with being picky and negotiating rates and services, but his approach is just ridiculous and will get him nowhere. Women will think he is weird af.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2927235]My experience is that most (chicas about 20 years old) prefer electronica. For my sex sessions I prefer reggaeton and many ask me to change it over to electronica. Even the ones that say it's ok say they prefer electronica.[/QUOTE]I prefer Vallenato and Cumbia. True Colombian music, not imported.

[QUOTE=LeoAiolia;2781571]Thanks for the report. Did you have any issues with bringing in the girls? Planning a trip for next month and looking at either Hotel Park 10 or Intercontinental.[/QUOTE]Intercontinental charges a USD $150 joiner fee for each girl after the firstbgirl. Different vibe at this hotel as it's a business hotel.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2909960]I remember over the past years thinking that there is a real shortage of nice places to stay for individuals at reasonable rates in MDE. Unless you like to stay in a cell-like apartment on the 20th floor of a non-descript tower block with no access to the outside world. I liked Dann Carlton best for short stays, but they pushed up their rates a lot over the years. I wouldn't blow so much money on a long stay there. Rooms are ok but the pool area is fantastic. There is a cheap hotel on Pqe Poblado that I like bcos its only 3 or 4 storeys and one has dozens of places to eat and drink on your doorstep. Its called Tik hotel these days. Both charge a small amount extra for booking in as 2 guests instead of one. Think of it as an extra breakfast fee if you like. But I don't stay in Poblado these days. I find it very fake and full of wannabees.

Airbnb. Is a money making racket for its shareholders. Imagine every booking in the world paying a 15% to some shareholder half way across the world for. For what? Nothing actually. It should be a crime. And they encourage landlords to subscribe in to their system of forever increasing prices when city occupancy is high. But if you want to use it to get a high rise cell box at an over inflated price, select the option for 'I want the entire unit', otherwise you will be sharing your hookers with other flatmates.[/QUOTE]Dann Carlton charges a USD $99 fee for each guest for each day. The first girl is free but you have to register her with you when you check into the hotel or you will pay the $99 for her as well for each day. They collect the fee at the time you bring the girl in and you register her at reception. You can't add it to your bill with other incidentals like food and drinks at the pool and pay when you check out. Staying there is not worth it unless you have a girlfriend situation ans she checks in with you. Like you said, they have pushed up their rates the last few years. You used to be able to get a standard room for $80-90 a night and I have seen rates jump to $$112 to as high as $170 a night depending on which nights you book.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2926937]I feel like I am kind of locked in to 300 k at this point, and given her situation, I know it's going to a good cause. It's a good thing she's only a semi-pro.[/QUOTE]It just sounds like you had an epiphany with this girl, that is all. Her situation is the reality of most people in the Economic South, it's the same story that is told by millions of others. I think you simply opened your eyes once in your life and saw the reality for it is. Many guys don't even do it that often. And many more just don't care.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2927122]Now that I know some on this forum could have construed her counteroffer as proposing 500 k for an hour of doing anything, I am very glad I made the decision I did. Because I could have spent an hour with that girl at another club, thinking she was trying hard to earn my business, and then she could have claimed I owed her 500 k. What a disaster that would have been.

For 400 k, I expect a girl to invest some serious time and energy into getting me into bed. Especially in a high end club with cover and overpriced drinks. It might take half the night for me to decide, and my final decision might be that I'm still not interested.
[/QUOTE]OMG, you must have thought you were in some club in some Western City, chatting up a regular girl. But you were in Gusto's, negotating with a hooker. Ofc she wanted to go straight to your hotel and fuck. It's baffling to hear anyone would think otherwise. Why would she want to waste her own time, drinking in another place with you instead of earning money? She was working and you were her customer.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2927163]The constant beating of the same dead horse from same exact type of monger. You're ruining the price LOL.

The best quote I ever heard to debunk this dumb theory.

"What one pays for his steak will not effect the price of what one pays for his burger ".[/QUOTE]You are overpaying and ruining the city is a common refrain on discussion boards for almost all mongering countries. The market price is based on what guys are willing to pay, and if guys are willing to pay more now, then perhaps the market price has shifted. Supply and demand. Medellin has gotten more popular in the past few years and there are just more guys visiting.

I don't worry about what other guys are paying. It is their money and they can do what they want with their money.

I go to Medellin to have some fun. I have a price range in mind that I am comfortable with. I find young attractive girls who are willing to accept that price and everyone is happy. I don't really know what others are paying other than what a few guys tell me personally or these anonymous posts on this thread which may or may not be true. On every trip so far, finding these girls has not been a problem.

So this is my take.

Go to Medellin. Spend what you can afford. Have fun. Don't worry about what other guys are doing.

You captured the airbnb game in Poblado / Provenza / Laureles well. There is quite a bit more price and quality variety in the rest of the city. The problem is the time it takes to learn to navigate the city and travel back to Parque Lleras across traffic jams. It's not a good use of time for guys coming here for a few days at a time.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2909960]I remember over the past years thinking that there is a real shortage of nice places to stay for individuals at reasonable rates in MDE. Unless you like to stay in a cell-like apartment on the 20th floor of a non-descript tower block with no access to the outside world. I liked Dann Carlton best for short stays, but they pushed up their rates a lot over the years. I wouldn't blow so much money on a long stay there. Rooms are ok but the pool area is fantastic. There is a cheap hotel on Pqe Poblado that I like bcos its only 3 or 4 storeys and one has dozens of places to eat and drink on your doorstep. Its called Tik hotel these days. Both charge a small amount extra for booking in as 2 guests instead of one. Think of it as an extra breakfast fee if you like. But I don't stay in Poblado these days. I find it very fake and full of wannabees.

Airbnb. Is a money making racket for its shareholders. Imagine every booking in the world paying a 15% to some shareholder half way across the world for. For what? Nothing actually. It should be a crime. And they encourage landlords to subscribe in to their system of forever increasing prices when city occupancy is high. But if you want to use it to get a high rise cell box at an over inflated price, select the option for 'I want the entire unit', otherwise you will be sharing your hookers with other flatmates.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2927146]if she doesn't hold up her end of the deal, neither am I. I'm not paying for services not rendered. Call the police. LOL I realize the bravado I'm able to employ in a hypothetical. But I'd go to the mat if she backs out of services we agree to.[/QUOTE]The police? She is going to calls those goons that people say are at her beg and call!

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2927209]For 400 k in Poblado you want a Gustos girl to seduce you all night and hop around other clubs with the off chance that you're still going to turn her down at the end of the night. And meanwhile if she is hot she is certain to make double or triple that on one night on a weekend.

The issue here is I don't think you understand the logistics of the current state of Medellin.

You're not bringing gold you're bringing a knife to a machine gun fight if you're thinking 400 k is going to get you all that in Gustos. But you were there on a slow night. And I'm with Miami boy. I was understanding that you made the agreement. She wanted 600 you got her down to 500. Then outside she desperately was willing to go down to your 400.

Times have changed. Look at the migraciand line in medellin. When I first started going literally no one was on line. Now it's a 3 hour wait all day with the line running up to walkway. It's common sense. Girls know they have options.[/QUOTE]I understand the logistics. But it all depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking for a point-and-shoot one night stand with a chica who is churning through guys like cigarettes, then I agree it's not a good approach. But if you are looking for that diamond-in-the-rough amateur or semi-pro who might become a long term connection, I think it's a decent approach even if it will fail more times that not. The best things in life rarely come easy, and you don't attract the high quality girls by acting like every other guy they've dealt with in the past.

I don't go to a place like Gusto's to point and shoot. Plenty of better places to do that.

[QUOTE=Combo;2927238]I was responding to the poster that said he went to a Bach party in Medellin (if I'm not mistaken). I love the composer J.S. Bach, but I have to think this Bach is something completely different (maybe Electronica?).[/QUOTE]LOL. Bachelor!

[QUOTE=JustTK;2927324]OMG, you must have thought you were in some club in some Western City, chatting up a regular girl. But you were in Gusto's, negotating with a hooker.[/QUOTE]Or he could have thought he was in the old Rio at Help or the old Sosua. You did not have to discuss money and the girl would stay with you for even days until you told her it was time to go. You would go on tours and they would show you around the city. That is my definition of GFE. Pretty much the only place I know that is still like that is the discos in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2927324]Ofc she wanted to go straight to your hotel and fuck. It's baffling to hear anyone would think otherwise. Why would she want to waste her own time, drinking in another place with you instead of earning money? She was working and you were her customer.[/QUOTE]The crux of the matter is as Sang said, times have changed. It seems that freelance mongering these days is only good for an on the clock orgasm (which you can get at casas and fuck houses way cheaper), none of that chilling and hanging out stuff that is was before. Now it is all cum and go.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2927370]I understand the logistics. But it all depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking for a point-and-shoot one night stand with a chica who is churning through guys like cigarettes, then I agree it's not a good approach. But if you are looking for that diamond-in-the-rough amateur or semi-pro who might become a long term connection, I think it's a decent approach even if it will fail more times that not. The best things in life rarely come easy, and you don't attract the high quality girls by acting like every other guy they've dealt with in the past.

I don't go to a place like Gusto's to point and shoot. Plenty of better places to do that.[/QUOTE]Gustos is a point and shoot place, just like a casa or a strip club, with the exception that the girls are freelancers and you don't fuck on site. Your approach has the same rate of success as of finding a long-term girlfriend among the girls working Lleras or Botero plaza.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2927235]My experience is that most (chicas about 20 years old) prefer electronica. For my sex sessions I prefer reggaeton and many ask me to change it over to electronica. Even the ones that say it's ok say they prefer electronica.[/QUOTE]Can you send some examples of the electronica songs you refer to? I prefer reggaeton too.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2927370]I understand the logistics. But it all depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking for a point-and-shoot one night stand with a chica who is churning through guys like cigarettes, then I agree it's not a good approach. But if you are looking for that diamond-in-the-rough amateur or semi-pro who might become a long term connection, I think it's a decent approach even if it will fail more times that not. The best things in life rarely come easy, and you don't attract the high quality girls by acting like every other guy they've dealt with in the past.

I don't go to a place like Gusto's to point and shoot. Plenty of better places to do that.[/QUOTE]Gusto (and many of the bars in Lleras) isn't a semi-pro bar, brother. It's a "high-end" hooker pick-up bar without private rooms that caters to foreigners and the rich. Gusto is not a bar for girls who are just playing around or just hang out, it's for ladies who are looking to do P4 P with foreigner customers who often don't even speak Spanish. You pay a premium for more attractive women who are more likely to give good PSE experiences and passable GFE experiences than Centro girls where there is no expectation of that. I've had better experiences with GFE from those girls than Centro girls and I find that the girls are more likely to not clock-watch after you agree to terms and get them back to the apartment and then show off your personality. But these girls are not going anywhere for free to start with, until you build rapport. I've found that the girls are perfectly willing to stay longer (sometimes it's hard to get them to leave), but they do know their value and aren't going to give you free days since it's their job. When the night comes around, they will usually leave to go back to the bars to make their money.

If you're really looking for a semi-pro, maybe try the streetwalkers around Lleras since they "might" not be super experienced in the game, though good luck with that. Better yet, look into some trendy bars in Provenza and Laureles where you can generally game up the chicks. The girls are not generally there to get picked up but Colombian women are not explicitly against a little P4 P and some are open for a little action if the they vibe with you and the price is right. It's the best advice I can give if you really want to do a multiple-hour vetting session before pulling the trigger on a sale.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2927375]Or he could have thought he was in the old Rio at Help or the old Sosua. You did not have to discuss money and the girl would stay with you for even days until you told her it was time to go. You would go on tours and they would show you around the city. That is my definition of GFE. Pretty much the only place I know that is still like that is the discos in Pattaya.

The crux of the matter is as Sang said, times have changed. It seems that freelance mongering these days is only good for an on the clock orgasm (which you can get at casas and fuck houses way cheaper), none of that chilling and hanging out stuff that is was before. Now it is all cum and go.[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm biased, but I feel like a lot people remember these "good old days" and forget the fact that they were young in those days. It is much easier to pick up girls for free or for days a time when you are attractive and can generally pass off as a real boyfriend. I'm still in that zone and I've been able to swing longer term arrangements with women after getting past the first hookup. But more importantly, I wouldn't go to prostitute locations for that sort of thing. For example, you can just meet and hook up with women on Tinder in Europe if amateur or semi-pro is your game. You don't walk into the Red-light district of Amsterdam and expect to get wined and dined there. I don't think freelance mongering is that bad, nowadays, it's just more explicit. You have to pay a fee to get them into the door, where you can then wine and dine them a bit and make that connection. Some of these guys are acting like latinas are prudes when it's the exact opposite. Just go to a trendy bar and game them up if you need to scratch your "amateur" itch. If you're in Bangkok, don't go to Nana and look for freebies. Just hit up one of the smaller bars outside the main tourist area and hunt there. What's hard about that?

It's about understanding how the game is now, rather than wanting it to go back to what it was. Girls, nowadays, are less prudish so you don't need a HELP in Rio to corral foreigner-friendly girls. You just go to trendy places and do what you do.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2927428] you don't need a HELP in Rio to corral foreigner-friendly girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2927375]Or he could have thought he was in the old Rio at Help or the old Sosua. You did not have to discuss money and the girl would stay with you for even days until you told her it was time to go. You would go on tours and they would show you around the city. That is my definition of GFE. Pretty much the only place I know that is still like that is the discos in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]So there's a place called Help in Rio with GFE potential? I haven't been to Brazil yet but I'm taking notes.

I've also never been to Pattaya or Thermae for that matter, although I plan to visit both soon. I'm pretty skeptical of both places from what I've read and I have grown to dislike Thai girls in general. Not too optimistic but I have a solid backup plan if they don't work out for me.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2927370]I don't go to a place like Gusto's to point and shoot. Plenty of better places to do that.[/QUOTE]You did not explicitly have an agreement but you sent out signals that you agreed implicitly. First one is you followed the girl out. Second one is that you invited the girl to another club. You are lucky she gave you a way out or you are going to get a very expensive CBJ again. My response is not about right or wrong. It is about not putting oneself in a bad position like you did.

An alternative is to invite the girl to talk, don't have to buy drink yet. You can start with something like Are you good in bed? Then go from there. I personally will keep my hands out of her and completely passive physically up to this point. If your requirements are met during the conversation, you can tell her you want to spend more time in the club with her. If she agrees, you can start to make out with her or buy her drink if you want. At this point, you should be prepared to take her back later unless something goes wrong. This is how these places can work for you

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2927375]
It seems that freelance mongering these days is only good for an on the clock orgasm (which you can get at casas and fuck houses way cheaper), none of that chilling and hanging out stuff that is was before. Now it is all cum and go.[/QUOTE]Not exactly, the girls are there to work. You take away her opportunity to make a living if you take up all her working hours and not pay her which is what the OP implied he might do.

In Brazil, I can still go to boates or termas, sit down and talk to the girls at length and don't have to pay or not buy drink. The locals do the same. But Brazil in a level higher in several aspects.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2927416]Can you send some examples of the electronica songs you refer to? I prefer reggaeton too.[/QUOTE]I don't know shit about electronica. When a chica asks to change the music I pull up youtube on my laptop and tell her to select a mix of what she likes so that the music doesn't stop at the wrong moment. As you can imagine it takes these chicas all of 5 or 10 seconds to make that happen. I just verify that it's an hour or more playlist. A couple have closed youtube and pull up some other site they know with their favorite elec music. So anyhow I have no idea which songs. They all sound the same to me. Reggaeton music on the other hand has a great beat for banging to the music.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2927437]So there's a place called Help in Rio with GFE potential? I haven't been to Brazil yet but I'm taking notes.

I've also never been to Pattaya or Thermae for that matter, although I plan to visit both soon. I'm pretty skeptical of both places from what I've read and I have grown to dislike Thai girls in general. Not too optimistic but I have a solid backup plan if they don't work out for me.[/QUOTE]Help in Rio has been closed since 2010 and Thernae in Bangkok has been closed for years.

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2927437]So there's a place called Help in Rio with GFE potential? I haven't been to Brazil yet but I'm taking notes.[/QUOTE]No it was a club that shut down in the 2010's as part of a World Cup cleanup effort that was in the main tourist area of Rio. It was a huge club that, similar to Gusto, was where all of the prostitutes that catered to tourists showed up. It might have been more general even further back, but it was pretty firmly a tourist place when I went. I only went twice before it closed and I was extremely green in those days (19 years old, my first time) but I didn't see any freebies being given out as Mr. E stated. You could go from girl to girl and grind on them, buy them drinks, and try to talk to them over the pounding, loud music but it wasn't like you could waste hours doing that. You negotiated an amount and then left with the girl. Girls weren't super cheap, either and the top girls seemed to charge a reasonably high amount.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2927484]I don't know shit about electronica. When a chica asks to change the music I pull up youtube on my laptop and tell her to select a mix of what she likes so that the music doesn't stop at the wrong moment. As you can imagine it takes these chicas all of 5 or 10 seconds to make that happen. I just verify that it's an hour or more playlist. A couple have closed youtube and pull up some other site they know with their favorite elec music. So anyhow I have no idea which songs. They all sound the same to me. Reggaeton music on the other hand has a great beat for banging to the music.[/QUOTE]Fair enough. Was just curious what different people they consider electronica here. The 'problem' for reggaeton is that not all reggaeton is made equal. There are songs straight about fucking and partying but plenty are quite 'romantic' and about love, intimacy, heartbreak etc, which for Spanish speakers might not be ideal to listen to in all circumstances since they do understand every word that's being said. When she's in cuddly mood she might not want to hear a song about hard fucking and 'you're my puta' and when she's in horny mood she might not want to hear about tears and heartbreak. Electronic music, usually no words, so no such problems. Agreed that reggaeton has better beat for banging, electronica bit is usually too fast, more for club dancing and tussi heads (plus it's somewhat boring and mechanical).

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2927583]but it wasn't like you could waste hours doing that. You negotiated an amount and then left with the girl. Girls weren't super cheap, either and the top girls seemed to charge a reasonably high amount.[/QUOTE]You could definitely waste hours doing that as well as waste it with them at the restaurant, Terraco Atlantico, out front. And it was super cheap. I used to give those chicks 100 reais per night at an exchange rate of 3. 89. So that was $25. The most I have seen reported in that thread of someone giving them is 300 reais which was $77. When they announced World Cup and Olympics the exchange rate dropped to 1.52. So that 100 reais was then $65 and the 300 reais $197. My experience with that is what makes me say be careful of what you pay, because today's $65 may turn into tomorrow's $197 on exchange rate alone.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2927366]The police? She is going to calls those goons that people say are at her beg and call![/QUOTE]Maybe. But you're missing the larger point. I firmly believe that hasn't happened to me (lower service than agreed upon) because they respect me because I treat them with respect. This comment is not directed at you, per se. But you can be firm with price and expectations while still treating someone well. Many on this board wonder why they get robotic service after negotiating a price difference of 20 k. If I get a quote that is unreasonable, I move on. There are a million other fish in the sea that is Medellin. Haggling over a few dollars feels pointless. Find someone that is in the price range you are comfortable with. I read all the time about insane prices being paid at Gustos, for example. I've never paid those prices. I've found that a drink and a respectful conversation is all it takes to lower that price before it's even said. I'm not talking about the sharks. If a monger can't spot them quickly, well. That's mongering 101.

Back to the point, I don't think it would even ever get to the point of police or thugs. There are ways to resolve or prevent things from going that route. Respect is the key.

And despite what many on this board say, respect does not mean overpaying or being a simp. Is it 100% foolproof? Of course not. But so far I'm batting 1. 000.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2927583] I didn't see any freebies being given out as Mr. E stated..[/QUOTE]

I don't get the same conclusion. He said no talking about price. He did not say not paying. One possibility is that he gave an amount he decided to the girl at the end,

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2927424]Gusto is not a bar for girls who are just playing around or just hang out, it's for ladies who are looking to do P4 P with foreigner customers who often don't even speak Spanish. You pay a premium for more attractive women who are [b]more likely to give good PSE experiences and passable GFE experiences than Centro girls where there is no expectation of that. [/b][/QUOTE]This I am pretty sure is not the norm. It is actually the opposite. Just read all the reports that almost all of them got CBJ, no kissing, the higher the price, the less service they got. These places have changed because most customers that visit them are willing to spend a lot and demand less in return. Read Gobacho's posts. He saved up a bunch of condoms because he did not have to use them in El Centro.

It's similar with pettier girls. The man already hard by looking at them so some of these girls do not need to learned how to please man. The girls that can charge a lot more money usually have less incentive to perform better as far as Medellin is concerned because they are likely to have some money saved already and these guys come and go so they don't have the incentive or urgency. The kind of spending is not sustainable and kind of not smart to do everyday for an average person.

One has to know the poster's background before coming to a conclusion, some examples about Loutron:


[QUOTE=One]This is why I love Loutron, guarantied service on what is promised. If the service is bad, complain and you get another girl.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Two]Once you pay the base fee and get in the room, the women start to upcharge. Kiss on the lips, extra. Touching her pussy, extra. She touch your dick, extra. They get creative. Extra position than mish, extra $$.

Never was like that before. They talk among themselves and you get the $$ shaft. Basic fee is only they wrap the dick and you put it in their pussy an inch, more than that they charge extra. If you move it around, that's called the "helicopter", and they charge extra.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Three]This is generally why I never go there. CBJ is standard and up charge is not really worth it.[/QUOTE]

If you are someone like One, then follow what he is doing. If you are someone like Two or Three, then their posts are more valuable to you

In addition to Loutron, here is La Isla. It was not like this before. Spending more does not always get better service in Medellin.

[QUOTE=]
La Isla is weird, been told to 'go to the corner' myself at some times too[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Belem148;2927566]Help in Rio has been closed since 2010 and Thernae in Bangkok has been closed for years.[/QUOTE]I was just there in October and Thermae was open.

I think KapnAmerica must be a transsexual who previously was a woman raised in the United States. Look at his/her statement below. Isn't that the behavior of most dating women in the US?

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2927122]For 400 k, I expect a girl to invest some serious time and energy into getting me into bed. Especially in a high end club with cover and overpriced drinks. It might take half the night for me to decide, and my final decision might be that I'm still not interested.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2926942]I have personally more than 10 chicas in the past few months who began to travel with their benefactors. The chicas are in Dubai, Turkey and Italy. Couple of them started off in new life and one other centro casa but most come from dating sites and fb. I am amazed at the upward mobility of these chicas. They send me pics of cool resorts off italian coast or from malls in Dubai. I cannot but smile reminiscing the time I spent with them in their barrios in doce Oct. Or popular etc.

I used to feel good taking these chicas from those barrios to bars and restaurants in provenza and envigado. Now some one is taking them to 80 USD drink places in europe. Thats a long way to go.[/QUOTE]I know this is an older report but couldn't hold on commenting about chica's who have moved up. Used to fuck this girl in Houston for $200. Found her on seeking. Honestly the experience were just ok. She was max a 6 or 7. I hit her up after 2 years and now she wants 400. I ask her to send her insta so I can look up her recent pics to make sure she hasn't become fat. I see the pics and decide 400 was too much for me but still follow her on insta. Last month she posted pics on a private jet and yacht in Milan. This chica used to be work at one of the clubs or working girl houses in Medellin. She told me her life story once. From there to private jets and yachts was a big jump IMO. And this wasn't a one time thing. She has been posting pics of her at different vacation spots.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2927639]I think KapnAmerica must be a transsexual who previously was a woman raised in the United States. Look at his/her statement below. Isn't that the behavior of most dating women in the US?[/QUOTE]I found this statement to be wild also.

We are 3 friends who are traveling to Medellin from different parts of the US to Medellin. None of us are into hard core escorts or SW's. We are in our late 40's and primarily see girls from seeking. I personally have mongered in Dubai, Germany, UK, Mexico etc but once I tasted the sugar daddy life, have not seen hourly escorts. One of my friends has visited Colombia a couple of times and can speak passable Spanish. We have talked to a bunch of girls from seeking and have some good candidates in the pipeline. I have read through 50 pages of reports and have a general idea.

Damn you guys argue a lot in this forum. Can't believe there are posts going back and forth because one dude did not want to pay more than 20 K to a girl he walked out of a club with.

Anyway, we are staying at a hotel in poblado and know we shouldn't do any stupid shit like typical gringos. All of us are pretty sane and can keep pur heads low. I have been concerned about the drugging though. I don't have any specific questions but would love some generic advise on what to do and what not to do.

Our plan is to speed date a bunch of candidates and then figure out who we want to spend most of our time with. Personally, sex is important but I am coming more for the party vibe and going out.

Appreciate any guidance or advice.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2927639]I think KapnAmerica must be a transsexual who previously was a woman raised in the United States. Look at his/her statement below. Isn't that the behavior of most dating women in the US?[/QUOTE]"invest some serious time and energy into getting me into bed" definitely sounds like something a woman would say. Usually it is men getting the the women into bed, not the other way around.

You may be on to something here, FunLuvr. I agree that the way the post is written it sounds like it is not written from a man's point of view.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2927639]I think KapnAmerica must be a transsexual who previously was a woman raised in the United States. Look at his/her statement below. Isn't that the behavior of most dating women in the US?[/QUOTE]You're right, women in the US sure do take their sweet time before deciding if they want to pay a man for a one night stand. I'm always like, "hey, I'll be your stud tonight for a free drink and a hundred dollar bill. Let's go fuck. " But all they want to do is talk, flirt and feel up on me for hours on end. I try to be polite, but I aint got time for that shit. I'm at the bar to make some travelin' money.

These American women think they can take up all my time and not pay me a dime for it. It pisses me off too. I feel like such a hypocrite now.

[QUOTE=Belem148;2927566]Help in Rio has been closed since 2010 and Thernae in Bangkok has been closed for years.[/QUOTE]Well shit, so much for that. I figured this Zam guy was full of it.

[QUOTE=Zam007;2926698]ST for Thermae girls is 3 k for one hour, 5 k for 2 hours.

Most of them will complain about pain after 15 minutes after taking all the money upfront and make life hell for you in the room.

I had 3 experiences in Thermae, and each time it got worse.

Until 2022, you could pay 3 k for 2 hours and some of my friends got girls for just 4 k for the whole night.

These days, they kinda have an understanding. Even they agree to everything in the club, they won't do much apart from opening legs for penetrations in the room.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2927618]I don't get the same conclusion. He said no talking about price. He did not say not paying. One possibility is that he gave an amount he decided to the girl at the end,[/QUOTE]Yeah that makes sense. I visited at the real tail-end of that place so it must have been much more tourist-ified by that point. All the girls had a price that was negotiated before leaving. But then again, I always ask at some point in the conversation (I would never leave it up to chance) and the girls didn't shy away from saying it.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2927618]
This I am pretty sure is not the norm. It is actually the opposite. Just read all the reports that almost all of them got CBJ, no kissing, the higher the price, the less service they got. These places have changed because most customers that visit them are willing to spend a lot and demand less in return. Read Gobacho's posts. He saved up a bunch of condoms because he did not have to use them in El Centro.

It's similar with pettier girls. The man already hard by looking at them so some of these girls do not need to learned how to please man. The girls that can charge a lot more money usually have less incentive to perform better as far as Medellin is concerned because they are likely to have some money saved already and these guys come and go so they don't have the incentive or urgency. The kind of spending is not sustainable and kind of not smart to do everyday for an average person.
[/QUOTE]That's not my experience at all but I am just one person. I consider "passable" GFE to be a decent IOP (Illusion of Passion). Any girl I've taken from Gusto has given me following (just note that I usually book a TLN experience around 500 K from when I last visited 2 years ago, no clue what it costs now).

1) No rush to get started. We can sit and talk and have a glass of wine or a drink before getting down.

2) Kissing with tongue. All the girls gave it willingly, though some of the girls did seem to shy away from too much. But I've never been refused outright. And most of them did do it more passionately as the session wore on.

3) CBJ does seem to be the standard here but I don't really mind since it doesn't affect my performance yet (it probably gives me more time LOL). That could drop points for others but it's not a negative on my side.

4) Sex can be mechanical but it never turned into a deadfish situation. No major restrictions on positions and I have never gotten the dreaded 2-minute "leche papi, leche" call. The worst leche calls have come from online escorts here, followed by Strip club girls, in my experience. If I pound away for too long, the girls obviously get tired but most all girls do that outside a few of the real gems.

5) Since I book TLN, all of the girls have stuck around for more drinks, food, and hot tub (I always book a place with one since I like using them to relax). Usually one or two more shots before I call it a night. I don't like to sleep with them so I ask them to leave after a few hours and they always oblige.

Big caveat, I am conversational in Spanish, even if it is gringo spanish, so I am able to talk to them about family and interests which seems to help break the ice. I always tell the girls that I'm looking for a "romantic" experience and it has seemed to help. These are my experiences and YMMV but I find that Lleras girls do provide a decent baseline compared to the other options. I will be back in August to try again so I'll report what has changed. Will plan to try out a few from Lleras / Gusto, casas, online, and maybe Centro. Online has been the worst imo since the variance is crazy; sometimes it's amazing and often it's a bad casa experience with a Gusto's pricetag.

[QUOTE=Invincicle;2927622]I was just there in October and Thermae was open.[/QUOTE]A little RTFF in the Bangkok section proves that thermaes are still open.

[QUOTE=Aaragon2022;2927673]I know this is an older report but couldn't hold on commenting about chica's who have moved up. Used to fuck this girl in Houston for $200. Found her on seeking. Honestly the experience were just ok. She was max a 6 or 7. I hit her up after 2 years and now she wants 400. I ask her to send her insta so I can look up her recent pics to make sure she hasn't become fat. I see the pics and decide 400 was too much for me but still follow her on insta. Last month she posted pics on a private jet and yacht in Milan. This chica used to be work at one of the clubs or working girl houses in Medellin. She told me her life story once. From there to private jets and yachts was a big jump IMO. And this wasn't a one time thing. She has been posting pics of her at different vacation spots.[/QUOTE]I'm seeing this too. Some putas I've been with and others I follow are getting taken on expensive trips in Europe, Carribean, Mexico, you name it. They are able to meet guys able and willing to spend a lot of money to travel with them. But these are smoking hot girls. Some take the trips with their girlfriends paying for themselves. Those are usually to Mexico and LatAm. They really live it up.

I found my type on the pages and asked her over sight unseen. I can tell when someone is my type. I either like big paisa ass or young coastal girls with big tits. In the case of the latter, she arrived and checked out well. No kids and perfect pierced tits. She doesn't even work much because she's going back to Cartagena to study.

I know some people don't like "ordering" sight unseen but the truth is even if you see what you like in person there's no guarantee the service will be good.

Well she just wasn't that interested. It's hard for me to get hard just looking and touching a little bit, I need some initiative from the other person. After I finally got hard from a CBJ, I put her in missionary and I guess because she wasn't lubed (she wouldn't let me touch) we just couldn't get it in and she pushed against me with her legs so I couldn't even push it in. I don't know if she was super tight or just super dry or what but it wasn't working.

Anyway I'm willing to try it with her again because she's so sexy but idk. I really like some initiative which just wasn't there. It’s really hard to know what you’re going to get because I was with another girl in Bogota who charged less, and basically gave me the full GFE calling me cute, passionate kisses and hand holding during sex, everything.

I don't know, maybe I am just not as desperate to get laid as some and I would rather take a pass than ruin what would otherwise be a pretty enjoyable night with a sour experience. I find that girls who work hard to earn my business usually give better service than the ones who don't.

Like most guys, it's a pretty call for me to have a one night stand with a girl I find attractive for free or well below market rate. If she's a real looker with a good personality, it's probably not going to be too hard to convince me to go up to 300 k, because that's a pretty standard rate and I don't expect too many self-respecting girls in Medellin to accept less than that for quality service.

But on June 13th, I have a girl who is wanting to be the fifth girl I've banged in the past 36 hours, and she wants me to pay her 400 k? That is the equivalent of $20 USD more than all four girls I just banged in Peru the previous day COMBINED. And it's going to take a LOT of convincing for me to pay that for a girl I am on the fence about from the get-go. But I'll give her a chance if she's willing to work for it.

So that's got to be taken into account too. Some guys are more desperate than others. My level of desperation is usually pretty low, but on that night it was even lower than usual. That said, I did end up banging a chica that night for 400 k. She was a top-end stunner and put in quite a bit of effort to convince me to do it. End result: I regretted it. Not a good experience and a lesson learned. Next time I'll use better judgment and do a better job clarifying my expectations in the bedroom on the front end.

But yeah, my default setting is that a girl who does not blow me away with her looks or personality is going to have to do a lot of convincing to get me to pay her the equivalent of $100 USD for sex. Now if she wants to offer up that pussy for free or at a bargain price, that's a different story.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2927618] Read Gobacho's posts. He saved up a bunch of condoms because he did not have to use them in El Centro.[/QUOTE]You talking about these, Nounce?

[QUOTE=Aaragon2022;2927684]

Damn you guys argue a lot in this forum. Can't believe there are posts going back and forth because one dude did not want to pay more than 20 K to a girl he walked out of a club with.
.[/QUOTE]You and so many others can read but can not comprehend the moral of the story. The main issue was not about money. It was about safety. Colombians are hot heads that easily can "go off". Any issue with a girl in Colombia can easily and very quickly end up 2 times worse than most other places around the world for the exact same situation. Did you RTFF or even read regular news? There is a general "We hate foreigners attitude" going around. So that 2 times is now bumped up to a 3 times more serious condition.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2927733] That's not my experience at all but I am just one person. [/QUOTE]Dcrist0527 also has good result so 2 of you. I think what you described is not PSE, passable GFE yes.

A so called 9 and 10 will be rare by definition so you are not going to find them easily anywhere. As long as they are from the same background as others, many will start low like most others. The reasons they started low is because what you think is low is already a lot of money to them when they are new. They don't know how it works and they don't how to find customers. I know because I met a few and I asked them. These girls will do more than you described, and pretty much everything I asked. Even that, the sex just lacks something. For me, I will choose the better looking girl the first time, but I choose better sex after that.

[QUOTE=Aaragon2022;2927684]We are 3 friends who are traveling to Medellin from different parts of the US to Medellin. None of us are into hard core escorts or SW's. We are in our late 40's and primarily see girls from seeking. I personally have mongered in Dubai, Germany, UK, Mexico etc but once I tasted the sugar daddy life, have not seen hourly escorts. One of my friends has visited Colombia a couple of times and can speak passable Spanish. We have talked to a bunch of girls from seeking and have some good candidates in the pipeline. I have read through 50 pages of reports and have a general idea.

Anyway, we are staying at a hotel in poblado and know we shouldn't do any stupid shit like typical gringos. All of us are pretty sane and can keep pur heads low. I have been concerned about the drugging though. I don't have any specific questions but would love some generic advise on what to do and what not to do.

Our plan is to speed date a bunch of candidates and then figure out who we want to spend most of our time with. Personally, sex is important, but I am coming more for the party vibe and going out.
[/QUOTE]You will be fine, no need to be all paranoid. First thing is to find out if your hotel will let you bring a girlfriend back in, and if so -- any fees involved with that. Prevents surprises. Second, networking for girls seems to be your challenge -- so it depends how long you are staying. The Mansion's 'cave bar' is a hangout for vetted girls, or half a dozen clubs in the Park Lleras area. Girls themselves tend to give each other the advice that they should seek a minimum of $300 k COP for being with a guy ($75 USD), but to raise it to $600 k COP minimum if being picked up in Park Lleras clubs ($150 USD) - due to extra risk involved. How they negotiate individually is up to them and your individual style, etc. Also, don't get caught by the newbie trick of being quoted a price without currency. You'll be thinking it is 'Pesos' and they will flip it on you later to have meant 'Dollares'. Personally, I don't even negotiate pricing anymore. I just tell them "don't worry I will take good care of you" and then pay them $300 - $500 COP afterwards based on how well it went, how I liked it, and if I plan to see her again.

The girls are passionate, friendly, and into a GF experience if you have at least the minimum likeable personality and give them the opportunity. Flirt, buy a drink, buy some food, treat them like a low-budget sugar daddy and they will love you for it. They are not clock watchers. But if you go in wanting to know 'how much for 1 HR' or treating them like sluts / hookers right off the bat (I've seen rough guys literally yell out in a club 'mira puta, ven aca! They will snap right up into mechanical-pro-mode and take you for a quick ride and all your cash. These girls all carry the fantasy of 'maybe this guy is the one who will take me away from all of this' so without misleading them, it is easy to be charming and let them follow the fantasy. You are fantasizing that they are your girlfriend for the night, let them make their own fantasy about you. I really can't reiterate this enough. I've had the most hardcore pro girls there become total teenage lovers and give me amazing nights just by treating her like a gentleman with some class and raising her self-esteem and showing some respect.

Final advice, look for classier girls (better clothing, better makeup, better hair) who are doing better and evade the mini-groups of 'peladas' (that's what they call broke girls), the more desperate or pushy ones would be the ones I would evade. This has nothing to do with how pretty they are, but with how they care for themselves and how their life is going. Also, they mostly know each other at any place. So it doesn't hurt to talk up one girl and have her give you her opinion on other girls. They are not the jealous type when it comes to this and many a 'wingman' girl has gotten me the best recommendations for the cost of a free drink and some chat.

If you can message here, drop me a note and I can recommend some good initial contacts.

[QUOTE=Aaragon2022;2927673]I know this is an older report but couldn't hold on commenting about chica's who have moved up. Last month she posted pics on a private jet and yacht in Milan. This chica used to be work at one of the clubs or working girl houses in Medellin. She told me her life story once. From there to private jets and yachts was a big jump IMO. And this wasn't a one time thing. She has been posting pics of her at different vacation spots.[/QUOTE]How is this a surprise? None of these chicks graduated from Harvard and went on to do a doctorate at Oxford. None of them started out as a Victoria Secret model.

Some of us keep saying all these chicks come from the same place. But when we are fucking them for a local amount, we are cheapskates and she is ugly. Then when she moves to Gusto's or Seeking, it is she knows her worth and my dick, my money. And the next step is as you are seeing on her instagram. There is no farm that only manufactures high-price hoes. They are the same damn chicks that came out of the hood and someone used to fuck for 40,000 pesos. Now you see this for yourself.

These are facts.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2927853]How is this a surprise? None of these chicks graduated from Harvard and went on to do a doctorate at Oxford. None of them started out as a Victoria Secret model.

Some of us keep saying all these chicks come from the same place. But when we are fucking them for a local amount, we are cheapskates and she is ugly. Then when she moves to Gusto's or Seeking, it is she knows her worth and my dick, my money. And the next step is as you are seeing on her instagram. There is no farm that only manufactures high-price hoes. They are the same damn chicks that came out of the hood and someone used to fuck for 40,000 pesos. Now you see this for yourself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2927850]You will be fine, no need to be all paranoid. First thing is to find out if your hotel will let you bring a girlfriend back in, and if so -- any fees involved with that. Prevents surprises. Second, networking for girls seems to be your challenge

If you can message here, drop me a note and I can recommend some good initial contacts.[/QUOTE]Thank you! Advice is much appreciated. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] Will try to get it back again using bit coin.

As I mentioned, for the last 12 years or so, I have been primarily using the sugar daddy card to play and have been with a variety of hotties here in the US from $150 to $350 per date. I am quite the charmer when it comes to dating.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2927853]How is this a surprise? None of these chicks graduated from Harvard and went on to do a doctorate at Oxford. None of them started out as a Victoria Secret model.

Some of us keep saying all these chicks come from the same place. But when we are fucking them for a local amount, we are cheapskates and she is ugly. Then when she moves to Gusto's or Seeking, it is she knows her worth and my dick, my money. And the next step is as you are seeing on her instagram. There is no farm that only manufactures high-price hoes. They are the same damn chicks that came out of the hood and someone used to fuck for 40,000 pesos. Now you see this for yourself.[/QUOTE]You are delusional as fuck. Do you really think you are fucking models for 40,000 cop? The only place in Mde where you can find these rates is El Centro streets and casas where ugly crackheads work. You get what you pay for.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2927874]You are delusional as fuck. Do you really think you are fucking models for 40,000 cop? The only place in Mde where you can find these rates is El Centro streets and casas where ugly crackheads work. You get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]Did he say he was fucking models? Did he say the chicks he is seeing on Instagram that are traveling are models? How did you bring models into the conversation? Most models are not going around fucking foreigners for money.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2927874]You are delusional as fuck. Do you really think you are fucking models for 40,000 cop? The only place in Mde where you can find these rates is El Centro streets and casas where ugly crackheads work. You get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]From previous posts I am convinced that for some posters women commonly regarded as ugly crackheads are their models.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2927892]From previous posts I am convinced that for some posters women commonly regarded as ugly crackheads are their models.[/QUOTE]And that's fine if they think that way. But don't tell me you eat a steak for the price of a whopper.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2927853]How is this a surprise? None of these chicks graduated from Harvard and went on to do a doctorate at Oxford. None of them started out as a Victoria Secret model.[/QUOTE]LOL. According to Victoria's Secret Chief Marketing Officer Edward Razik, fewer than 100 women in the world have the potential to be a Victoria's Secret model.

VS angel height requirements usually vary anywhere between 5 feet 8 inches to 6 feet tall. But, along with height, body measurements are also required. This is because they prefer an hourglass figure in order to model their clothing, such as lingerie. Therefor, a 34-inch bust, a 24-inch waist and 34-inch hips are desired. However, minor variations are acceptable if the model has more desirable attributes, such as a beautiful face.

Minimum requirements include smooth skin, silky hair, and a toned body. But, all in all, the most crucial part of a VS angel is the models face. The model must have a small nose, high cheek bones, full lips, and very chiseled features. They do not get the advantages of photoshop like Instagram or magazine models do.

So, believe it or not, no matter how beautiful the model, if they are reluctant and are not able to work well with others they will not be accepted.

Younger models are much more preferred unless an older model has a very strong foot in the modeling industry. So, anywhere from 1822 years of age.

End of link.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2927853]Some of us keep saying all these chicks come from the same place. But when we are fucking them for a local amount, we are cheapskates and she is ugly. Then when she moves to Gusto's or Seeking, it is she knows her worth and my dick, my money. And the next step is as you are seeing on her instagram. There is no farm that only manufactures high-price hoes. They are the same damn chicks that came out of the hood and someone used to fuck for 40,000 pesos. Now you see this for yourself.[/QUOTE]Do you have to go to Harvard or Oxford to be considered educated?

And if a woman is five eight to six foot at eighteen with those body dimensions and personality, why would she be working El Centro versus working as a model given how rare women like this are?

So the normal path for Colombian Victoria Secret model types is el centro then Gusto's then seeking and then modeling? Do you have the name of one high end Colombian model who has taken that path or are you just doing this mental masturbation where this is what you want to believe?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2927874]You are delusional as fuck. Do you really think you are fucking models for 40,000 cop? The only place in Mde where you can find these rates is El Centro streets and casas where ugly crackheads work. You get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]I don't agree with MiamiBoy1 on much but on this, I would agree. If you think that you are going to find 9's and 10's on the streets of El Centro for 40 mil, you are going to be disappointed unless your standards are low. Girls are smart enough to figure out their worth to men. Their friends will tell them that they can make much more from gringos in Poblado because they are pretty and that is where she will go.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2927906]I don't agree with MiamiBoy1 on much but on this, I would agree. If you think that you are going to find 9's and 10's on the streets of El Centro for 40 mil, you are going to be disappointed unless your standards are low. Girls are smart enough to figure out their worth to men. Their friends will tell them that they can make much more from gringos in Poblado because they are pretty and that is where she will go.[/QUOTE]What amazes me is that some dummies think any hot girl absolutely has to start her "career" with selling pussy for 40 k and then slowly make her way up to much higher rates, trips overseas, etc. No, dummies, she doesn't have to. If she is really hot and doesn't live in isolation, she can go online and find a rich sugar daddy, or a few of them. Or she can start working at Gusto or a similar place. She doesn't need years of experience to do that. I don't know a single chick that used to take 40 k for sex. Not now, not years ago. Yeah, hoeflation exists everywhere in the world, but like I said, a steak never costs the same as a whopper and never will.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2927896]And that's fine if they think that way. But don't tell me you eat a steak for the price of a whopper.[/QUOTE]You can not deny there are many here eating whoppers for the price of a steak! But if they are that delusional, it could just as well be steak to them.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2927903]So the normal path for Colombian Victoria Secret model types is el centro then Gusto's then seeking and then modeling? Do you have the name of one high end Colombian model who has taken that path or are you just doing this mental masturbation where this is what you want to believe?[/QUOTE]Maybe you read my post wrong. The OP said he is seeing chicks that he used to fuck for a small amount on yachts and private jets now. I said these chicks are the same chicks that started out selling pussy for cheap where they are from (as he is a witness to because he fucked them before they were on the jets and yachts and European getaways). None of them were highly educated chicks or models. They are just regular chicks from the block. And he is witnessing this with his own experience now. I never said anyone was a model. I said they [B]are not[/B] models.

You guys act like these chicks went outside when they turned 18 and people instantly started giving them 5 million pesos to fuck and flying them all over the world. They did not go from zero to private jets or zero to Luna Lunera for that matter.

It's a bit more complicated than that. All the girls in Centro are not bottom of the barrel and all the girls in Poblado are not models or even pretty. As I've written in the past, it's not generally worth the time for guys here on short visits to look for quality in Centro. It is very time consuming to find the buried treasure. A more efficient use of time, for not much more money, is to use the casas. I'm not a Poblado expert but I've spent more than enough time in Parque Lleras and Provenza to know who is available for what they charge. There are girls who work both arena but they are beside the point. I wouldn't personally mind using Poblado if I did not have to stay up past midnight to do it and if I did not have to later explain why I am in a youtube video presented as heaven knows what.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2927906]I don't agree with MiamiBoy1 on much but on this, I would agree. If you think that you are going to find 9's and 10's on the streets of El Centro for 40 mil, you are going to be disappointed unless your standards are low. Girls are smart enough to figure out their worth to men. Their friends will tell them that they can make much more from gringos in Poblado because they are pretty and that is where she will go.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2927903]LOL. [/QUOTE]I think you take it too literally. What will be your choice among the following 3. You can session with 1 each day, and you can repeat the same choice. What will be your choice?.

1. 10 in your scale, 21, from estrato 6, study engineering in college, new. 1 million.
2. 10 in your scale, 21, from estrato 1, no college, has worked for 6 years. 1 million.
3. 7.5 in your scale, 21, from estrato 1, no college, new. 200 mil.

I'the far rather have a 6 that's a 10 in bed than a 10 that's a 6 in bed The two are not correlated at all.

Of course ideally both would be nice, however I'the much rather take my chances on the 6 than wasting a bunch of money on 10's.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2927906]If you think that you are going to find 9's and 10's on the streets of El Centro for 40 mil.[/QUOTE]What price do you think they should start with? Where can you find 9 and 10 every time?

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2927926]I'the far rather have a 6 that's a 10 in bed than a 10 that's a 6 in bed The two are not correlated at all.

Of course ideally both would be nice, however I'the much rather take my chances on the 6 than wasting a bunch of money on 10's.[/QUOTE]I think low key most people do that even if they don't admit it. Plus when a session goes bad and you just wasted 400 k or more, you feel it like a kick in the balls.

This is very simple:

If you're on a 5-10 days' vacation and was sexless back home for several months then yes you should go after the best for the experience. It doesn't matter if you spend 1 m pesos daily cause you worked and saved 2-4 k usd for your trip. But if you live here or staying a month or longer then you want to budget that shit and mostly go for the local rates 50 k+ and once a week or so you can waste some money on a 300 k+ girl.

Why visit here for 5 days and only fuck street wg for 50 k? You want the experience.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2927917]I think you take it too literally. What will be your choice among the following 3. You can session with 1 each day, and you can repeat the same choice. What will be your choice?.

1. 10 in your scale, 21, from estrato 6, study engineering in college, new. 1 million.
2. 10 in your scale, 21, from estrato 1, no college, has worked for 6 years. 1 million.
3. 7.5 in your scale, 21, from estrato 1, no college, new. 200 mil.[/QUOTE]This is easy choice. Option 1. I have never paid 1 million cop in Colombia, but heck, if we are talking about a true stunner 10/10 with college education that comes from a decent family, 250 usd sounds like a good deal.

I doubt though that you can get 7. 5 for 200 mil nowadays. More likely, 400-450.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2927853]How is this a surprise? None of these chicks graduated from Harvard and went on to do a doctorate at Oxford. None of them started out as a Victoria Secret model.

Some of us keep saying all these chicks come from the same place. But when we are fucking them for a local amount, we are cheapskates and she is ugly. Then when she moves to Gusto's or Seeking, it is she knows her worth and my dick, my money. And the next step is as you are seeing on her instagram. There is no farm that only manufactures high-price hoes. They are the same damn chicks that came out of the hood and someone used to fuck for 40,000 pesos. Now you see this for yourself.[/QUOTE]Mr E schooling once again.

Only thing I'd add is for dudes to stop assuming shit. What Mr E wrote applies to the majority, bc this is a poor fucking country and they dictated their cheap local rates. It doesn't mean they all started at centro, but also in the local clubs and casas. There are also casas in their barrios that no gringos know about. Obviously some get lucky and know their worth, either through friend influence or their education and go straight to Seeking or Gusto and never had to start low. But this is Col, and still a 3rd world country according to their GDP so yeah for us 50 k per fuck is nothing but remember daily salary in this country / min wage is 40 k per day. So making 50 k for few min isn't a bad income. Plus those venues are about volume and the pretty girls go home with 300 k or more.

If you have been coming to Col for many years, you've experienced this. I've personally met many from centro, centro clubs where they started at the 50-120 k and then moved to Gusto and Lleras and then never step foot in centro again. Some still go and rotate, the average ones. But I know quite many from Gusto and the park asking 600 k min that started from the street. It's not even something that need discussion LOL, the guys disagreeing either haven't been here long enough or still don't know shit about Colombia.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2927937]This is easy choice. Option 1. I have never paid 1 million cop in Colombia, but heck, if we are talking about a true stunner 10/10 with college education that comes from a decent family, 250 usd sounds like a good deal.

I doubt though that you can get 7. 5 for 200 mil nowadays. More likely, 400-450.[/QUOTE]Very enlightening response.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2927917]What will be your choice among the following 3. You can session with 1 each day, and you can repeat the same choice. What will be your choice?.

1. 10 in your scale, 21, from estrato 6, study engineering in college, new. 1 million.
2. 10 in your scale, 21, from estrato 1, no college, has worked for 6 years. 1 million.
3. 7.5 in your scale, 21, from estrato 1, no college, new. 200 mil.[/QUOTE]This is an easy choice. I am doing one session and I am not fucking her education nor where she is from. I am fucking her pussy. To me one of the 10's would not be worth 5 times the cost of the 7. 5. I am in the same boat as Kapn. I just don't put a big value on pussy like some guys do. Not like pussy is scarce and I can not get it unless I pay for it. I monger for the fun of it, not because I need to. Just like an airbnb or rental car; I do not see a need in dropping a lot of money for a rental chick.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2927937]This is easy choice. Option 1. I have never paid 1 million cop in Colombia, but heck, if we are talking about a true stunner 10/10 with college education that comes from a decent family, 250 usd sounds like a good deal.

I doubt though that you can get 7. 5 for 200 mil nowadays. More likely, 400-450.[/QUOTE]Like I said to EV to not take it too literally. You can assign any number if you want. Your answer verify a point that I want to know.

Based on your post, you think the market is very efficient. My experience tells me it is not. I can't find the attractive ones on my own but I have generous friends who shared. I am pretty sure we are not off much in our view. A common thought is the girls are considered hot but not the type we prefer. We know someone will take them off the market when discovered despite they are not our type. A girl who is above 5'7, slender, fit with long legs is what I am talking about. The only thing I can't describe and maybe questionable is the face.

There are enough recent posts here to point out many girls started low. How do you counter those reports?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2927972]Like I said to EV to not take it too literally. You can assign any number if you want. Your answer verify a point that I want to know.

Based on your post, you think the market is very efficient. My experience tells me it is not. I can't find the attractive ones on my own but I have generous friends who shared. I am pretty sure we are not off much in our view. A common thought is the girls are considered hot but not the type we prefer. We know someone will take them off the market when discovered despite they are not our type. A girl who is above 5'7, slender, fit with long legs is what I am talking about. The only thing I can't describe and maybe questionable is the face.

There are enough recent posts here to point out many girls started low. How do you counter those reports?[/QUOTE]Well, as I said before, I don't know a single girl that used to charge 40 k pesos and now charges 400 k or 1 million or whatever, because they never worked casas or El Centro streets and were smart enough not to sell themselves short. These girls have never been desperate enough to charge 40 k. I have met girls who used to charge, let's say, 300-350 around the pandemic or shortly after, and now charge double or even triple, but the reason for that is the booming of passport bros movement and tourism in general. Everything is up, rents, food, etc. No wonder they start charging more. Also, the 8's to 10's market is extremely small and inefficient, the rates are all over the place (but generally high) and the girls are asking whatever they think they can get. There is very little supply of 8's and above, but high demand for them, therefore the rates are high, and have always been high relative to the rest of the market.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2927972]Like I said to EV to not take it too literally. You can assign any number if you want. Your answer verify a point that I want to know.

Based on your post, you think the market is very efficient. My experience tells me it is not. I can't find the attractive ones on my own but I have generous friends who shared. I am pretty sure we are not off much in our view. A common thought is the girls are considered hot but not the type we prefer. We know someone will take them off the market when discovered despite they are not our type. A girl who is above 5'7, slender, fit with long legs is what I am talking about. The only thing I can't describe and maybe questionable is the face.

There are enough recent posts here to point out many girls started low. How do you counter those reports?[/QUOTE]Posts by anonymous strangers about what nameless girls allegedly told them aren't proof of anything. Anyone can post anything but that doesn't mean that it is true. Someone just posted that Bangkok freelancer bar Thermae Cafe has been closed for years but that is easily proven to be false. Guys say that some nameless girl told them that she used to work at El Centro and now she works in Parque Llerras. He posted it so it must be true, right? It may be the case that he was told that by the girl (which may or may not have happened) but you don't know whether the girl is telling him the truth because there are no names. Maybe she did tell him that but that doesn't mean it is true.

I always take what guys post here with a grain of salt because I don't know what is true and not true. I definitely would not take it as evidence that something must be true.

[QUOTE=ObjJay;2916708]This is why I love Loutron, guarantied service on what is promised. If the service is bad, complain and you get another girl.[/QUOTE]Well I just had a less satisfying experience at Loutron. I was there at peak hour (Friday around 18:00) so a lot of girls were occupied. None of the available ones got my attention so I decided to wait 30 minutes to see if a better one became available. To kill the time I was watching my phone. Then the waitress steps towards me "sir you can't use your phone when the girls are walking by", I said ok, she left and immediately returned "did you take photos"? I said, no, of course not, just killing time. She said "can I see your phone please", which got me flabbergausted. I said, hesitantly, ok. She took my phone, walked around the corner, where a girl was waiting who obviously complained. Together they went through my photos, of course nothing there, then I heard the girl saying "check his whatsapp too", so they went through my messages. After about a minute she came back with my phone and didn't even apologize!! I told her, so you take my phone, you confirmed I did nothing of which I was accused and you didn't even say sorry"? She then said "ok, sorry" but it didn't feel like she meant it at all. I then walked to the hostess, who knows me well, I'm a regular there, I told her what just had happened and she just said "Of course you weren't taking any photo's".

This was really a bummer. I mean, sure, if a girl really thinks a customer is taking photo's I can understand they need to check. But I never pointed my phone towards any girl. And then when they take that decision to revise a phone and make a customer feel uncomfortable with that situation, you'd expect that the LEAST they'd do is offer you free drinks for the situation. No such thing. So think again about Loutron and "guaranteed service". This honestly has never ever happened to me before and god knows I have some mongering history.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2927972]There are enough recent posts here to point out many girls started low. How do you counter those reports?[/QUOTE]Well that's easy. There are enough not so hot ones that start of at a cheap place like some bar in el Centro and then move up to other places, why wouldn't that happen? But a really hot one knows her worth, she's not going to sell her pussy for 40 k at some dirty bar in El Centro. She's used to have guys hit her up all her life, she knows she's hot (oftentimes they even think they're hotter than they are), she's heard stories about friends in Dubai making $1000 usd a night, why the hell would she start for 40 k in some cheap bar? This just makes no sense and obviously never happens.

Truth be told, I've never mongered at el centro, I frikking hate that place, heard enough Colombian stories about robberies, stabbing etc. Been there for some other businesses and I always hate that place. I've seen video's on youtube though, there are tons of those vids, and yet have to find a hot girl in them. Best I've seen is maybe a 6.5-7 and those are really scarce. Tons of fat ones and crack heads though.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2927978]Well, as I said before, [/QUOTE]I removed the last part, assume the "same place" is estrato 1 just to be specific. What do you disagree about the following quote? I know one can nitpick so be generous please.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2927853]
Some of us keep saying all these chicks come from the same place. But when we are fucking them for a local amount, we are cheapskates and she is ugly. Then when she moves to Gusto's or Seeking, it is she knows her worth and my dick, my money. And the next step is as you are seeing on her instagram. There is no farm that only manufactures high-price hoes. They are the same damn chicks that came out of the hood. [I]THIS SETENCE IS REMOVED[/I][/QUOTE]So you also think it is inefficient. My observation is not all of them can get the price they want. Some need time to figure it out, and a 8 or 9 would behave the same way as a 5 to ask for date before then. Some may have a job, and the money they get from sex is a lot relative to their pay from regular job. They don't even know they are underpaid.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2927978]. the 8's to 10's market is extremely small and inefficient, the rates are all over the place (but generally high) and the girls are asking whatever they think they can get. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Medclubber;2927987]But a really hot one knows her worth, she's not going to sell her pussy for 40 k at some dirty bar in El Centro. She's used to have guys hit her up all her life, she knows she's hot[/QUOTE]Dude, [B]all[/B] women have been hit on by guys all their lives! Not just the ones you think are pretty and "know their worth. ".

The Medellin style of robbery has invaded New York City. Except that instead of taking iPhones and gold chains from tourists, these guys are taking Rolexes and expensive jewelry from the patrons at expensive restaurants in Manhattan and the hip parts of Brooklyn.

Armed bandits, two up mounted on mopeds are terrorizing upscale New Yorkers

It definitely serves to the argument that it can happen anywhere.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/05/nyregion/nyc-restaurant-robberies.html?smid=url-share[/URL]

[QUOTE=KapnAmerica;2927941]

But if your definition of a "steak" is a pretty girl with a princess complex and no bedroom skills, or one who will not admit that she learned the ropes from guys like Pablo or Mr. E, then bon Appetit.[/QUOTE]Hehe, right. It's not like some girl that MB thinks is hot bcos she is going to charge him 500 mil for a game of chess, is going to own up to the fact that she used to work in Botero. As you say, it's not like these girls go to a Sex Ed School to learn the ropes. The good ones do the hard yards to gain the experience. MB just prefers to live in his fantasy world in which a stork drops them from the sky with no previous history.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2927993]Dude, [B]all[/B] women have been hit on by guys all their lives! Not just the ones you think are pretty and "know their worth. ".[/QUOTE]Sure an ugly centro chica might get hit up occasionally by an old timer like yourself but I highly doubt that will make her think she's the hottest girl in town. The hot ones are used to men turning their heads all the time.

Anyway I'll let you live in your fantasy world where young hot women start their career at those cheap ass dirty bars that you go to and can be had for 40 k.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2928066]Hehe, right. It's not like some girl that MB thinks is hot bcos she is going to charge him 500 mil for a game of chess, is going to own up to the fact that she used to work in Botero. As you say, it's not like these girls go to a Sex Ed School to learn the ropes. The good ones do the hard yards to gain the experience. MB just prefers to live in his fantasy world in which a stork drops them from the sky with no previous history.[/QUOTE]You don't need to work in El Centro to "learn the ropes". These girls have experience with their boyfriends and it is just a matter of making the jump from having sex with guys you like to having sex with guys you don't really like. You don't need experience to work in this line of business. In fact, I would say that some guys would prefer girls who don't have that much experience and are new to the game.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2927979]Posts by anonymous strangers about what nameless girls allegedly told them aren't proof of anything. .[/QUOTE]Use common sense please. If you know any locals, ask them if they know places like La Isla, or Gusto. That may help you understand and make your own judgement so you don't limit yourself by what you know.

Also, SA used to be good but it is not now. Can you figure out why?

And this.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2927978]market is extremely small and inefficient, the rates are all over the place (but generally high)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2927989]I removed the last part, assume the "same place" is estrato 1 just to be specific. What do you disagree about the following quote? I know one can nitpick so be generous please.
[/QUOTE]I have already answered this in my prior posts. Thank god, Mr E and I fuck different girls, even if these girls come from the same neighborhood. Beauty is not neighborhood dependent. However, most other things, like level of education, median income (and hence, level of desperation when it comes to selling pussy), etc do depend on where a girl lives. The lower her estrato is, the more ghetto she is. What I mean by ghetto, is the way she talks, dresses, carries herself, etc. I try to avoid estrato 1 and 2 chicks and focus on estrato 3 to 5 because in general they are just a better company and provide much better service. But if you think pussy is pussy, and you fuck whatever moves, estrato wouldn't matter much. However, even in the lowest estrato, 40 k pesos will only get you an ugly hood rat.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2928133]I have already answered this in my prior posts. Thank god, Mr E and I fuck different girls, even if these girls come from the same neighborhood. Beauty is not neighborhood dependent. However, most other things, like level of education, median income (and hence, level of desperation when it comes to selling pussy), etc do depend on where a girl lives. The lower her estrato is, the more ghetto she is. What I mean by ghetto, is the way she talks, dresses, carries herself, etc. I try to avoid estrato 1 and 2 chicks and focus on estrato 3 to 5 because in general they are just a better company and provide much better service. But if you think pussy is pussy, and you fuck whatever moves, estrato wouldn't matter much. However, even in the lowest estrato, 40 k pesos will only get you an ugly hood rat.[/QUOTE]I disagree, sometimes you find pearls en El Centro for less than 40 k. An expert monger should know that paying more does not always get you a better treatment. There are girls asking a lot of money with a terrible attitude.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2928114]In fact, I would say that some guys would prefer girls who don't have that much experience and are new to the game.[/QUOTE]I do not have an Instagram, neither have I seen the pictures the original poster talked about of chicks on yachts and private planes. But I am willing to bet dollars to donuts they are not 18,19, 20,21, 22,23 ,24,25. I would also agree that [B]some[/B] guys prefer girls that do not have that much experience, [B]some[/B] guys prefer downtown, [B]some[/B] guys prefer other guys, [B]some[/B] guys can prefer an infinite amount of [B]some[/B] things.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2928144]You think a girl should bend over backwards for you for 400 k pesos.

Bitter guys who truly don't know the value of money. You expect a beautiful woman to try to seduce you and make you want her when at the end of the day you're paying for her body based on her appearance?? The only girls that work like this are the mediocre or below average girls because they know they can't compete based on beauty.[/QUOTE]Well considering that beautiful women are selling ass, beautiful women are going to UAE to suck the dicks of camels and to get shitted on, I think the verdict is already out on the things that beautiful women will do. (Unless you assert that all the women doing these things are ugly as you are known to do when you disagree with someone else's experience.).

So is the line being drawn that a beautiful woman should not bend over backwards for him per se, or is it just that 400 K is not enough for her to fulfill what he wanted? If not, then how much would have been enough?

Everybody is talking about the GFE and PSE they get for 300 K, but how dare someone mention the BOBE (Bend Over Backwards Experience) they want. A beautiful woman would just assume literally get shitted on than to bend over backwards for 400 K is what you are saying?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2928193]Well considering that beautiful women are selling ass, beautiful women are going to UAE to suck the dicks of camels and to get shitted on, I think the verdict is already out on the things that beautiful women will do. (Unless you assert that all the women doing these things are ugly as you are known to do when you disagree with someone else's experience.).

So is the line being drawn that a beautiful woman should not bend over backwards for him per se, or is it just that 400 K is not enough for her to fulfill what he wanted? If not, then how much would have been enough?

Everybody is talking about the GFE and PSE they get for 300 K, but how dare someone mention the BOBE (Bend Over Backwards Experience) they want. A beautiful woman would just assume literally get shitted on than to bend over backwards for 400 K is what you are saying?[/QUOTE]Don't talk about things you don't know anything about. For those beautiful girls to get shitted on has a 30 k usd price tag. So why are you always jumping out your lane? Who said they getting shitted on for 400 k pesos.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2928193]Everybody is talking about the GFE and PSE they get for 300 K, but how dare someone mention the BOBE (Bend Over Backwards Experience) they want. A beautiful
woman would just assume literally get shitted on than to bend over backwards for 400 K is what you are saying?[/QUOTE]I think that is not what they are against. One is the girl is paid very well to perform a task. The other is the girl not being paid.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2928133] Thank god, Mr E and I fuck different girls[/QUOTE]That is why I don't understand why you even respond like he is talking about you.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2928138]I disagree, sometimes you find pearls en El Centro for less than 40 k. An expert monger should know that paying more does not always get you a better treatment. There are girls asking a lot of money with a terrible attitude.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Also some slowtards are forgetting something very important. Or didn't forget and just clueless:

We left or have travelled outside of the US for women due to many of the same things they're looking for from so-called higher-class women here in Col. The higher the class she's in, the worse her attitude will be along with arrogance and entitlements you'll deal with; just like in the US. I can't stand a bougee fake body and fake ass sophisticated high mileage money hungry wg with bunch of cheap boat photos LOL.

The fellas who hate centro girls or estrato 1-2 girls (as if they'd know) might as well stay back home to deal with arrogant women with good jobs, better clothing and makeups. Not that those things arent important, but the women that come from humble beginnings are 10 x better usually.

For men, status and class matters more, always been. For women, we mostly seek someone we can deal with. Almost like their edu and job has only 10% value, we appreciate it but not mandatory. Whereas for us it's mandatory, like 80-90%. 99 out of 100 decent women won't date a man with no money or job. So it hurts my brain when I see a man desperately speak about a woman that has this and that. That shit don't matter to real men unless you are a user and loser, sort of like the jobless type that want a sugar mom. It's our job to elevate them. It's why for each 1000 sugar daddies, maybe you'll find 1 sugar mom, or for 1 male hooker for each 10,000 wg. Basically, dicks are free and only us men must bring something to the table, not them.

It's not only about male dominance, it's also about feeling appreciated for being a provider and protector of our household. So during these silly arguments of class, don't forget why we travel in the first place. It is to find women that are less entitled, less arrogant, and understand their role in society to allow us men to lead, provide or SHARE the responsibility without them wanting to wear the pants. As we're discussing attitudes and treatments, this indeed goes both for working girls or normal girls.

The fools arguing have zero proof where their dimes come from or their origins. The only way they'd know would be to inspect the birth certificates LOL. Any wg can move from an estrato 1 or centro and move later to El Poblado. I know many, fucked them from centro from 50 k and then moved up and never step foot DT again. Not just assuming.

In fact I came back in town this past week to meet 3 friends that came here, two firstimers, of which twice they hooked up with girls in lleras and paid 400 k that I personally banged for 50 k in centro. Obviously I whispered that intel but you can't cockblock a horny dude who didn't even negotiate LOL.

When it comes to these wgs, you have to try all types if you wish to make a comparison. Or at least just say this is what you prefer, and don't talk of something you don't know. Meaning unless you've been to centro and the poorest barrios like some of us, and have also popped bottles in Poblado, SA, FB, actually experienced everything, it's just a bunch of gibberish talk and assumptions.

Not trying to be a jerk but last thing I'll say is this: Imagine a dude born in a prison and lived there his whole life, he'd swear that his BF or husband and where he's sticking it is the best in the world. I mean, we can empathize with him, but he'd have zero right to claim that's better than our women since he never tried.

People should only speak on what they know. Stop pretending and assuming shit your clueless about.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2928144]You think a girl should bend over backwards for you for 400 k pesos. Sit there trying to seduce you when she could make triple that in one night on a weekend if she was hot.[/QUOTE]400 k is a lot of money in Colombia. That's like 6-8 x more than an educated girl could make daily. There's not enough gringos in Colombia to pay every beautiful working girl there that amount daily, so there will be days that they don't work and see that kind of money. The market is not efficient. Girls aren't strictly valued by their looks and how good they are in bed. They charge what someone is willing to pay and I promise you there's days that they don't get any business at all no matter how beautiful and amazing they are.

It's not expecting too much to pay 200-400 k and expect good service at the least. Guess what? If the service sucks, they won't get repeat business. It's in their interest to get repeat business not only for their income but for their safety. If you treat one person great and they see you 10 times well you made more and it was less risky than providing shit service to 10 seperate people.

I could not give any less of a shit if a WG girl is educated, classy, has great conversation, etc. If she's pretty, fucks good, and is clean, that's all that matters.

[QUOTE=SlowBlow;2928423]400 k is a lot of money in Colombia. That's like 6-8 x more than an educated girl could make daily. There's not enough gringos in Colombia to pay every beautiful working girl there that amount daily, so there will be days that they don't work and see that kind of money. The market is not efficient. Girls aren't strictly valued by their looks and how good they are in bed. They charge what someone is willing to pay and I promise you there's days that they don't get any business at all no matter how beautiful and amazing they are.

It's not expecting too much to pay 200-400 k and expect good service at the least. Guess what? If the service sucks, they won't get repeat business. It's in their interest to get repeat business not only for their income but for their safety. If you treat one person great and they see you 10 times well you made more and it was less risky than providing shit service to 10 seperate people.

I could not give any less of a shit if a WG girl is educated, classy, has great conversation, etc. If she's pretty, fucks good, and is clean, that's all that matters.[/QUOTE]Any country a working girl makes 6-8 x more than an educated girl. In the US girls charge 1000+ usd an hour. And that's a lot of money in the US.

It's all about options. I said the above quote based on his location. Medellin is not what it once was. The girls who have options will take the highest bidder. They use Instagram and other sm outlets to advertise themselves. They're being flown all over the world. They have the newest iPhones and all the expensive make up and perfumes clothing etc etc. You think they got that from charging 400 k??

And I was specifically talking about Gustos girls. 400 k is not a lot to these girls. Nor is it even considered big money anymore in Poblado in general. La Isla and Fase Dos girls charge more than this for a basic 45 min session.

People are not understanding Medellin has been very westernized. Even average fb girls who are a 6-7 in my book are getting 500 mil. Yes plenty still take the 2-300. But they obviously don't have options.

400 k is a lot of money in Colombia in general yes. But is it a lot of money on a weekend night in cities like Poblado or Zona T in Bogotá? No it really isn't.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2928359]tattoos on their hands, fingers, necks, etc. Long ass fake eyelashes and makeup. Wearing pajamas and slippers, wtf? Or see through skirts or tops with no bra underneath. Disgusting. [/QUOTE]But she is a great fuck. LOL.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2928430]400 k is a lot of money in Colombia in general yes. But is it a lot of money on a weekend night in cities like Poblado or Zona T in Bogot? No it really isn't.[/QUOTE]400 K is a lot of money in Colombia, but it is not a lot of money when in a room full of foreigners is what I am reading. That is like when I am talking to a chick from a third world country and she tells me the amount of something is not much. Then when I tell her to pay it, it is crickets. [B]It is not much money when it is coming out if your pocket, but it is a lot of money when it is coming out of theirs.[/B].

I know a chick that pays the babysitter 30 K to keep a kid overnight. That babysitter would need to keep 13 kids for that kind of dosh.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2928555]I have been mongering since I was 15 years old and #6 is totally correct concerning hookers. [B]Higher prices almost never means higher quality[/B]. I absolutely have seen no correlation anywhere in the world (mongered on five continents) between the price I paid the hooker and how good the experience was. None. Zero.[/QUOTE]I have seen the exact opposite. The best experiences I have ever had were with the girls that cost more. And the best looking girls I have been with, also cost more. The only thing I agree on is that higher price does not guarantee a better service, which varies on a case by case basis.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2928508] Then when I tell her to pay it, it is crickets. [B]It is not much money when it is coming out if your pocket, but it is a lot of money when it is coming out of theirs.[/B].

I know a chick that pays the babysitter 30 K to keep a kid overnight. That babysitter would need to keep 13 kids for that kind of dosh.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Not even talking about her paying it directly, gents just ask for 300 mil discount, since it's not a lot of money after all and it's not even going out their pocket anyway, and see how not a lot magically turns into the opposite.

It's not a lot of money for foreign mongers which is what counts really. Girls seem to be convinced that someone will come along eventually and pay it, since they are happy to reportedly pass on lowball offers if the night is young and just wait, and, reportedly it does appear that many mongers pay those asking prices without negotiation, so here we are. Yes, if all mongers would unionize and said 100 mil max the hos would just take it and still be happy (beats slaving in normal job 8 h-10 h for 50 mil) but that's never going to happen. More tourists equals more overspending and overbidding one another equals rising ho prices. Understandably whoring is appealing to many chicas for this reason, where else would they get a week, 2 week or even month's local salary just for one 'date' and without that much effort ("ah, but it's so hard to wait whole night wearing high hills" bithc please).

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2928604]I have seen the exact opposite. The best experiences I have ever had were with the girls that cost more. And the best looking girls I have been with, also cost more. The only thing I agree on is that higher price does not guarantee a better service, which varies on a case by case basis.[/QUOTE]But that's because you're heavily focused on looks and I'm not. I'm heavily focused on sex. The best looking woman I ever fucked was also some of the best sex, but that was merely a coincidence from a sample size of hundreds. She was also very inexpensive so I rest my case.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2928430]Any country a working girl makes 6-8 x more than an educated girl. In the US girls charge 1000+ usd an hour. And that's a lot of money in the US.

It's all about options. I said the above quote based on his location. Medellin is not what it once was. The girls who have options will take the highest bidder. They use Instagram and other sm outlets to advertise themselves. They're being flown all over the world. They have the newest iPhones and all the expensive make up and perfumes clothing etc etc. You think they got that from charging 400 k??

And I was specifically talking about Gustos girls. 400 k is not a lot to these girls. Nor is it even considered big money anymore in Poblado in general. La Isla and Fase Dos girls charge more than this for a basic 45 min session.

People are not understanding Medellin has been very westernized. Even average fb girls who are a 6-7 in my book are getting 500 mil. Yes plenty still take the 2-300. But they obviously don't have options.

400 k is a lot of money in Colombia in general yes. But is it a lot of money on a weekend night in cities like Poblado or Zona T in Bogota? No it really isn't.[/QUOTE]Price in US, 1000 Us dollars.

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"People are not understanding Medellin has been very westernized. Even average fb girls who are a 6-7 in my book are getting 500 mil. Yes plenty still take the 2-300. But they obviously don't have options. ".

The whole report is screaming, Raise our rates NOW! With 300%.

Never payed anything like it in Europe, Asia, nor South America.

Gringos, extranjeros are maybe 1 of 100 of the clients for prepagos in total, maybe 5% for the good looking ones and maybe 10% of the really expensive.

Medellin is not westernized, small fractions of the city are in the most expensive areas, like a few hundreds gringos in a metropol with 4 million inhabitants.

Girls in Medellin = Medellin is like a magnet. Of the 50 million people in Colombia, 15 uses Medellin as its center. In a personal-service work as Prepago it means that it gets the majority of all the good looking ones from a population at least 3 times bigger than the city itself.

I estimate that around very good looking girls 100,000 work as prepagos in Medellin during a year, the majority for 1-2-3-4 months when they save a lot of money which they then uses for university, children, family, .

There are always 10 times more girls than customers!

We talk about a large portion of the female population. The young ones 18-30, x 5 times as Medellin is a magnet. ; many girls are beautiful when young, but not many men can spend a lot of money on prepagos in Colombia, 100 k COP still gets you good sex for the locals!

I know a lot about this since I'm fluent in Spanish since many years, learning it in South America. That specific knowledge saves me 50% of my prepago expenses!

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2928430]Any country a working girl makes 6-8 x more than an educated girl. In the US girls charge 1000+ usd an hour. And that's a lot of money in the US.

It's all about options. I said the above quote based on his location. Medellin is not what it once was. The girls who have options will take the highest bidder. They use Instagram and other sm outlets to advertise themselves. They're being flown all over the world. They have the newest iPhones and all the expensive make up and perfumes clothing etc etc. You think they got that from charging 400 k??

And I was specifically talking about Gustos girls. 400 k is not a lot to these girls. Nor is it even considered big money anymore in Poblado in general. La Isla and Fase Dos girls charge more than this for a basic 45 min session.

People are not understanding Medellin has been very westernized. Even average fb girls who are a 6-7 in my book are getting 500 mil. Yes plenty still take the 2-300. But they obviously don't have options.

400 k is a lot of money in Colombia in general yes. But is it a lot of money on a weekend night in cities like Poblado or Zona T in Bogot? No it really isn't.[/QUOTE]US girls at 1000 usd per hour is not the norm at all. Plenty of top escorts much lower that that. Don't know who your source is but you probably read the National Inquiry Magazine. Also there are plenty of girls in Colombia that are 400 k and below. You are over exaggerating everything that you are talking about. The problem with the higher rates in Colombia is that a lot of guys hangout and get these girls from Gringo infested areas. Any girl in Colombia that quotes her rate in usd is a no go for me. I don't hang out in Gringo areas and clubs and quite frankly if I see a place with lots of Gringos it's not appealing. I want a more local feel in a foreign country. I don't travel to hang around foreigners so you can have that and keep that. I have gotten burned out on Cartagena, Medellin and Bogota with all the tourist traps, scams and high prices for average looking pros. My thing now is to travel to the midsized cities where sometimes there is not a gringo in sight. Not even in the clubs there are gringos, none in the bars, none in the Casas, none on the streets. That is what appeals to me and the prices reflects the local rates. Much much much lower to Colombian rates. Food in restaurants are cheaper, drinks are cheaper, accommodations are cheaper. Everything is on the average Colombian scale and the quality is good. The people in general are much nicer and respectful in the smaller cities and Colombian culture and traditions are more prevalent. The experience is more authentic. So you guys that swim in those gringo infested waters can keep it.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2928843]US girls at 1000 usd per hour is not the norm at all. Plenty of top escorts much lower that that. Don't know who your source is but you probably read the National Inquiry Magazine. Also there are plenty of girls in Colombia that are 400 k and below. You are over exaggerating everything that you are talking about. [/QUOTE]Not the norm at all. I am from Atlanta and there are plenty of chicks at the strip club that you can fuck for $40. Some folks act like Heidi Fleiss hookering is the norm. And those Bunny Ranch chicks do not appeal to me at all. But since they cost a lot, they must be the best lookers and the best in the sack according to some.

Just like when the foreign hookers invaded Peru and the Peruvian hookers told the news crews they were making $20 before the foreigners came in with lower pricing. Having been to that spot many times, I knew first hand that it only cost $12, not the $20 they wanted to put out to everybody to seem they were "worth more"!

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2928843]I don't travel to hang around foreigners so you can have that and keep that. I have gotten burned out on Cartagena, Medellin and Bogota with all the tourist traps, scams and high prices for average looking pros. My thing now is to travel to the midsized cities where sometimes there is not a gringo in sight. Much much much lower to Colombian rates. Food in restaurants are cheaper, drinks are cheaper, accommodations are cheaper. Everything is on the average Colombian scale and the quality is good. The people in general are much nicer and respectful in the smaller cities and Colombian culture and traditions are more prevalent. The experience is more authentic. So you guys that swim in those gringo infested waters can keep it.[/QUOTE]Exactly. The girl I am with now Is from Cartagena and came to see me in Barranquilla. Last night I asked her this place is much better than Cartagena no? She said yes. There are too many damn tourists crowding everywhere and everything is so expensive.

Yesterday my boy sent a post that the same shit going on in Medellin is going on in Barcelona. They are supposed to outlaw short term apartment rentals in I think the next 10 years, because people from there can no longer afford to get an apartment in their own city. The people are going around squirting water on the tourists.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9Kl_DpCysk/?igsh=NzNiaWhodGtvZjVj[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2928870]Exactly. The girl I am with now Is from Cartagena and came to see me in Barranquilla. Last night I asked her this place is much better than Cartagena no? She said yes. There are too many damn tourists crowding everywhere and everything is so expensive.

Yesterday my boy sent a post that the same shit going on in Medellin is going on in Barcelona. They are supposed to outlaw short term apartment rentals in I think the next 10 years, because people from there can no longer afford to get an apartment in their own city. The people are going around squirting water on the tourists.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9Kl_DpCysk/?igsh=NzNiaWhodGtvZjVj[/URL][/QUOTE]I feel ya bro. In Cartagena when me and my girl (100% Colombiana) go to Boca Grande / Playa Hollywood to vendors and hawkers / touts are relentless on the beach. You can barely relax and have a conversation without someone coming up to you every 5 minutes. It's like they wait in line to approach you when it's their turn. LOL. Then the massage ladies. Geez! They pop up and just start rubbing your shoulders and asking if you want a massage. Even when you say no they keep at it and keep asking with that plastic container that looks like they got cooking oil in it for massage. Be careful because you can get scammed ordering food on the beach. Better verify the price and double check again. I always use Oscar and never had a problem. My girl knows him and he looks out for us with no upcharge. Also the jetski guys and boat guys scam gringos. Those guys that walk up and down the street trying to sell those tours be scamming too. My girl has the hook up on the boats to nearby Tierra Bomba Island Punta Arena. It includes round-trip and lunch with your own table, shaded and chairs. If you choose the fish they will bring it out fresh and you can pick it so they can cook it. All this for only 40 k. It use to be 35 k. I haven't seen any gringos there or on the boat. She was dying to get out of Cartagena so we went to Guatape, La Piedra and Peol. She loved it and was so glad to get away and I was too.

The guys in this board constantly brag about being in Poblado, hanging out in Provenza, Parque Lleras and Calle 10 like it's a big deal. Those places didn't impress me. I'd rather hang out in Belen, Envigado and Sabeneta if I'm in Medellin. I'd rather go to Laureles over Poblado. Then there's the guys that think their big shots because they get a hooker at La Isla and Fase Dos for 500 k when she works in El Centro during the day for 40 k. Real smart fellas.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2928870]Exactly. The girl I am with now Is from Cartagena and came to see me in Barranquilla. Last night I asked her this place is much better than Cartagena no? She said yes. There are too many damn tourists crowding everywhere and everything is so expensive.

Yesterday my boy sent a post that the same shit going on in Medellin is going on in Barcelona. They are supposed to outlaw short term apartment rentals in I think the next 10 years, because people from there can no longer afford to get an apartment in their own city. The people are going around squirting water on the tourists.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9Kl_DpCysk/?igsh=NzNiaWhodGtvZjVj[/URL][/QUOTE]Well it's especially better for a gringo. Cartagena is damn near intolerable as a white tourist. It doesn't matter if you've lived there for years, you will always get bombarded in el centro or on the beaches. In Barranquilla they do not give a shit where you're from until you start talking, much like most of Colombia. I don't look super gringo until I start talking so I can sort of blend in most places, but Cartagena they know from a mile away you aren't Cartagenero. But I've also heard from locals in Medellin and Bogota that they treat them the same way and try to rip them off too.

Barranquilla has some nice apartments for cheap, good malls, cheap food, tourist destinations nearby or you can take a short bus or taxi ride to Santa Marta. It really isn't a bad place to be at all.

Cartagena will always have a special place for me though because I spent so much time there initially and I like the chaos of it a little. And of course there's really no other area like el centro in Colombia. But the cost of housing there has exploded in comparison to the rest of Colombia that it just doesn't make much sense anymore unless you're willing to stay more inland.

Both Bogota and Medellin are huge cities so it's pretty easy to avoid the tourist areas if you want. It's a little harder in Cartagena since it's so small but still doable if you live near the Castellana area but personally I don't like it too much.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2928866]I am from Atlanta and there are plenty of chicks at the strip club that you can fuck for $40.[/QUOTE]If only it were true, we would all move to Atlanta. Or was that in 1970? Hippies give it up for free.

I am in Medellin now and so far for the first two days it has been a good trip. I know there's been a lot of discussion about girls in Medellin and overpaying and how how Medellin has gone downhill. I can only talk about my personal experiences here and how it has compared to past trips.

For the first 2 days, I have enjoyed girl friend experiences with young attractive girls for a reasonable price and everything else is irrelevant. Price seems to be a very sensitive topic here so I'm not going to mention it. The amount paid was reasonable to me and all parties were happy.

Now things could quickly go downhill in Medellin. So far it has been good. Same as my previous trips the past 2 years. My preference has been Facebook girls since the first trip and it has remained that way.

I am aware of the dangers here so I do take the precautions that others have mentioned in previous posts.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2928995]If only it were true, we would all move to Atlanta. Or was that in 1970? Hippies give it up for free.[/QUOTE]It is never true until someone finds out it is true. I guess you have never been to Club Blaze or Rain. You have mfs paying $200 and $300 for this tour in Cartagena when right here it says 160,000 pesos. Mfs in the Angeles thread said you have to pay the bar before you leave with the girl when I had said, no you can actually give her the money after. When I said you can fuck chicks in Thailand for 500 baht, mfs said that was not true. Not sure why folks think these things would be something to come on here and lie about. When mfs come share information people want to say it is not true when they have never even tried it.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2928927]Thai Friendly just keeps delivering good pussy right to my door. 24/07/365. Figuring this was low season I low balled her for 500 THB / ST. She took it. [B]Like Whoa[/B]![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2928430]Any country a working girl makes 6-8 x more than an educated girl. In the US girls charge 1000+ usd an hour. And that's a lot of money in the US.

It's all about options. I said the above quote based on his location. Medellin is not what it once was. The girls who have options will take the highest bidder. They use Instagram and other sm outlets to advertise themselves. They're being flown all over the world. They have the newest iPhones and all the expensive make up and perfumes clothing etc etc. You think they got that from charging 400 k??

And I was specifically talking about Gustos girls. 400 k is not a lot to these girls. Nor is it even considered big money anymore in Poblado in general. La Isla and Fase Dos girls charge more than this for a basic 45 min session.

People are not understanding Medellin has been very westernized. Even average fb girls who are a 6-7 in my book are getting 500 mil. Yes plenty still take the 2-300. But they obviously don't have options.

400 k is a lot of money in Colombia in general yes. But is it a lot of money on a weekend night in cities like Poblado or Zona T in Bogot? No it really isn't.[/QUOTE]I really wish this forum would get back to just talking and giving practical advice about Medellin. But I wanted to reply to this post. Your perceptions of top escorts in the US is incorrect. A top-rated escort (model like looks, not girl-next door) in Miami who does a great GFE and more, with top ratings everywhere, is around $500/ HR. And she doesn't really watch the clock at that rate. Other top ones can be found for $350-400/ HR. Sure; you can always find exceptions that charge more (nothing is separated faster than a fool and his money), but the US top talent average is nowhere near the 1 K you quote.

If you talk to Medellin pros (those who have been doing this actively for 3 years or more), you will learn that yes, Medellin is not what it once was. But not the way you think. They tell me that it is harder and more difficult to find good clients, the 'party-bros' are terrible clients, and the previous wave of retirees and remote workers was much better. Some are moving away to Spain and other locations because they feel Medellin is 'drying up' for good clients. Just because you find the Instagram for some lucky ones who did trips doesn't mean they are all doing trips. While inflation is making everything more expensive, these girls tell me they are having to settle for $300-ish even if that is worth less to them than it was two years ago.

But let's talk what girls charge. They don't have a 'set price'. Most girls relate the money they get to frequency of work. Lots of $300 K guys means they need to get 3-4 (or more) a week to meet their financial needs. Find two $600 k guys and you did the same for half the work. There isn't the biggest 'business sense' here, if they hit their financial budget -- they go to party or shopping, they aren't wise enough to keep working to 'get ahead'. I've explained it before, the girls work with a range, usually looking at a mental minimum. They will take all you are willing to give them, but most will settle for a minimum of $300 k. Doesn't mean they will be thrilled and will most likely want to get a 2nd client that night. If they get $400-500 k then they seem to be more happy and less concerned and will hang with you all night. At $600 k I find most are willing to spend the night unless there's a child / pet situation that needs advance arrangement.

Asking initially for $600 k-$900 k in Park Llares is common as it is 'twice as hard and twice as dangerous' and a lot of party-bros are idiots, so might as well make the money and compensate for the fact that good hookups at the park are more difficult. But it doesn't mean those girls at the park clubs are better off financially or of higher quality. It is just the reality of the place and situation.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2929068]I really wish this forum would get back to just talking and giving practical advice about Medellin. But I wanted to reply to this post. Your perceptions of top escorts in the US is incorrect. A top-rated escort (model like looks, not girl-next door) in Miami who does a great GFE and more, with top ratings everywhere, is around $500/ HR. And she doesn't really watch the clock at that rate. Other top ones can be found for $350-400/ HR. Sure; you can always find exceptions that charge more (nothing is separated faster than a fool and his money), but the US top talent average is nowhere near the 1 K you quote.

If you talk to Medellin pros (those who have been doing this actively for 3 years or more), you will learn that yes, Medellin is not what it once was. But not the way you think. They tell me that it is harder and more difficult to find good clients, the 'party-bros' are terrible clients, and the previous wave of retirees and remote workers was much better. Some are moving away to Spain and other locations because they feel Medellin is 'drying up' for good clients. Just because you find the Instagram for some lucky ones who did trips doesn't mean they are all doing trips. While inflation is making everything more expensive, these girls tell me they are having to settle for $300-ish even if that is worth less to them than it was two years ago.

But let's talk what girls charge. They don't have a 'set price'. Most girls relate the money they get to frequency of work. Lots of $300 K guys means they need to get 3-4 (or more) a week to meet their financial needs. Find two $600 k guys and you did the same for half the work. There isn't the biggest 'business sense' here, if they hit their financial budget -- they go to party or shopping, they aren't wise enough to keep working to 'get ahead'. I've explained it before, the girls work with a range, usually looking at a mental minimum. They will take all you are willing to give them, but most will settle for a minimum of $300 k. Doesn't mean they will be thrilled and will most likely want to get a 2nd client that night. If they get $400-500 k then they seem to be more happy and less concerned and will hang with you all night. At $600 k I find most are willing to spend the night unless there's a child / pet situation that needs advance arrangement.

Asking initially for $600 k-$900 k in Park Llares is common as it is 'twice as hard and twice as dangerous' and a lot of party-bros are idiots, so might as well make the money and compensate for the fact that good hookups at the park are more difficult. But it doesn't mean those girls at the park clubs are better off financially or of higher quality. It is just the reality of the place and situation.[/QUOTE]Each girl individually knows their options and their past experiences on what guys are willing to pay them.

Also the top notch mid 20's escorts in nyc and LA do charge 1000 an hour or close to it. In any country a prostitute will make more than the average working man. So using the country's minimum or average salary is the dumbest thing I hear.

You got hookers in the states driving Bentleys and Benz's that most on here can't afford. Let's just keep it real. It's still becomes much cheaper in Colombia. And there was a point when it was great. But the more a place gets westernized the higher the prices continue to go. Look at Sosua. I laugh at these girls who would have to pay me to fuck them charging 100 $ plus an hour.

Being real, I try to do as the locals do and having read the Colombia prepago review boards, I have seen a lot of reviews that pretty much all gravitate towards the best providers being those who generally charge 150 K+ for incall and / or who often work at the better casas like Ellas. I struggled to find any girls in the 50 K range that had great reviews and most that did have reviews were bad reviews. Those guys do shit on guys for paying 600 K / hour but it didn't seem to be much in the way of a lack of service, but more a sense of overpaying. The prevailing theory on Lleras isn't that the service is bad, but that the price is just too high. 300-400 K / hour seemed to be acceptable for the highly rated girls, even for Colombian locals.

I plan to review a few of the online chicks (or those with social media) next month when I visit to see if they are worth the price they ask for and will report back with some results, but it might also be nice to have a few of our more seasoned mongers who espouse the virtues of the 50 K Centro girls point us in the direction of a few so we can validate. I'd love to have a contact towards that because even the Colombian boards are sparse with those and seem to look down on it. It might be that hunting for 50 k diamonds in Centro is a specialized task that even normie Colombians avoid.

Hello,

will be traveling to Medellin for the first time, I have traveled other South American places but first time to Medellin. Do you have any recommendations on an escort agency or incall girls? Appreciate any other input as well. Thank you!

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2929157]Being real, I try to do as the locals do and having read the Colombia prepago review boards, I have seen a lot of reviews that pretty much all gravitate towards the best providers being those who generally charge 150 K+ for incall and / or who often work at the better casas like Ellas.[/QUOTE]Nice post. Do you have any details on Ellas casa? Hadn't heard of that one before. Thanks.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2929157]It might be that hunting for 50 k diamonds in Centro is a specialized task that even normie Colombians avoid.[/QUOTE]Online board crowd, writing extensive reviews and primarily looking for hookers online are generally a different crowd than in-person street mongers. Former read and write reviews and analyze photos in order to make a decision and pull a trigger based on that, then make appointments. Latter roll differently. So it's not a surprise there is not much about street hos (either centro or Poblado) on these forums. Probably not much about strip clubs or bar-girls in there either, yet the clubs are full of locals.

Use the search function. Both their locations have been covered extensively. You can also go to their website ellaserotic. Com.

[QUOTE=Mexica96;2929187]Nice post. Do you have any details on Ellas casa? Hadn't heard of that one before. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mexica96;2929187]Nice post. Do you have any details on Ellas casa? Hadn't heard of that one before. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Ellaserotic (dot) com.

It's mostly an incall agency (not sure if you can request outcall) where a decent number of the girls have good reviews. I have been to their Laureles incall before for a session and it was pretty good. I paid 120 K for an hour 2 years ago so I'm not sure about the prices.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2929176]I believe they are the same lot who are also referred to as weekend warriors or one week millionaires, short term visitors who spend freely before heading back to reality.[/QUOTE]They are a subset of that group. More specifically, it's the guys who are also heavy partiers, drug users, and the type to lose control. Add in a supreme arrogance of owning everything because you have money, and you got yourself a party bro. If you've ever met a frat bro in college, it's the same thing.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2929092]Can you explain to me who the "party-bros" are? I am unfamiliar with that term.[/QUOTE]LOL. Passport-bros, bitcoin-bros, dozens of terms for these fun-loving stereoid-taking fancy-dress-shirt-wearing oversized-watch lots-of-chains drug-loving heavy-drinking OMG-did-I-get-just-get-drugged crowd. These younger guys that have made Medellin their new party spot. Just for the weekend or week, different than the remote-gig crowd of years past, or the retire-and-live-cheap crowd in pre-Covid. We've always had all types here, but the younger party crowd has really been rising last three years thanks to YouTube and related articles.

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[QUOTE=MoonShot;2929015]I am in Medellin now and so far for the first two days it has been a good trip. I know there's been a lot of discussion about girls in Medellin and overpaying and how how Medellin has gone downhill. I can only talk about my personal experiences here and how it has compared to past trips.

For the first 2 days, I have enjoyed girl friend experiences with young attractive girls for a reasonable price and everything else is irrelevant. Price seems to be a very sensitive topic here so I'm not going to mention it. The amount paid was reasonable to me and all parties were happy.

Now things could quickly go downhill in Medellin. So far it has been good. Same as my previous trips the past 2 years. My preference has been Facebook girls since the first trip and it has remained that way.

I am aware of the dangers here so I do take the precautions that others have mentioned in previous posts.[/QUOTE]Did you get overcharged so much you are that ashamed you won't even say how much they "got" you for.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2929068]I really wish this forum would get back to just talking and giving practical advice about Medellin.[/QUOTE]LOL. For some reason this thread has always had its problems. Before I even thought about going to Medellin the first time, this entire thread was under moderation. I kind of see why now.

[QUOTE=Mexica96;2929187]Nice post. Do you have any details on Ellas casa? Hadn't heard of that one before. Thanks.[/QUOTE]There is a "search thread" function at the top right of every thread. Two spaces above the first post on that page of the thread. Just above where it says "This forum thread is moderated by Admin" - if you click the little down arrow next to "Search Thread" then a search box opens. For example I entered Ellas Casa and 29 hits popped up. You will get a more thorough answer this way than just asking a member a question they may not have to time to address the question adequately. I am pretty sure it works for guests but I have been a member too long to remember

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2929833]Did you get overcharged so much you are that ashamed you won't even say how much they "got" you for.[/QUOTE]There is too much debate on prices so I rather not engage in that discussion. In past trip reports, I mentioned prices and it is about the same. Once again, I am not sure what you consider overcharging and it is irrelevant to me. I set the price I am willing to pay and my expectations and if the girl accepts, then we have an agreement. If not, I move on to the next girl. If that is overpaying then that's fine by me. It's my money, right?

Still here in Medellin, still having a good time. Staying safe.

You make a good point. The prices themselves are good information we can use to make plans and selections. It's off topic and inappropriate to judge other grown men about what we decide we are willing to pay.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2930184]There is too much debate on prices so I rather not engage in that discussion. In past trip reports, I mentioned prices and it is about the same. Once again, I am not sure what you consider overcharging and it is irrelevant to me. I set the price I am willing to pay and my expectations and if the girl accepts, then we have an agreement. If not, I move on to the next girl. If that is overpaying then that's fine by me. It's my money, right?

Still here in Medellin, still having a good time. Staying safe.[/QUOTE]

Can any one name the street he "accidentally" goes down at 06:09? Sounds like the kind of place I'd like to go during daylight hours.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfXpPTqer48[/URL]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2930281]You make a good point. The prices themselves are good information we can use to make plans and selections. It's off topic and inappropriate to judge other grown men about what we decide we are willing to pay.[/QUOTE]I've mentioned prices in previous posts but I guess I can share the price range that I offer to girls on Facebook. I offer 200 mil plus taxi and they can choose to accept or counteroffer. I am willing to go to 250 mil if I I really like the girl and she agrees to all my terms. Transportation cost varies depending on where the girl lives generally can be anywhere from 15 mil to 30 mil. I usually pay the driver directly. I prefer girls who are 18 to 21 slim and petite but I like some curvy girls in the mix.

This is just what I do. This is what I personally am willing to pay. I am not saying this is the going rate or that most girls on Facebook will accept it.

Just sharing some information. Nothing more, nothing less.

I know this isn't the hotel thread. That thread has almost zero action, so asking here instead, so as to distract from the PPP (price paid for pussy) debate that goes nowhere and yet is ever present.

I want to stay near to El Centro because I like the cheap girls, which are more than good enough for me. They allow for a lot of variety for little money, which is awesome, plus cheap food and drinks nearby, also of good enough quality.

So, I'm seriously debating staying at Nutibara because most of the complaints are about WiFi (don't care) and breakfast (also don't care). So if that's the only downsides and I'm across the street from Plaza Botero and all the action, it seems good.

That said, I do want a nice mattress and clean room, which Nutibara *seems* to have.

Anyone with recent experience at Hotel Nutibara that can give me their unvarnished opinion?

Thanks in advance!

Nomars777.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2930184]There is too much debate on prices so I rather not engage in that discussion. In past trip reports, I mentioned prices and it is about the same. Once again, I am not sure what you consider overcharging and it is irrelevant to me. I set the price I am willing to pay and my expectations and if the girl accepts, then we have an agreement. If not, I move on to the next girl. If that is overpaying then that's fine by me. It's my money, right?

Still here in Medellin, still having a good time. Staying safe.[/QUOTE]The thing is you will never really know what the other guy is getting for his money in terms of looks and quality of service just what was paid and what he says about it.

[QUOTE=Cassette;2930356]Can any one name the street he "accidentally" goes down at 06:09? Sounds like the kind of place I'd like to go during daylight hours.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfXpPTqer48[/URL][/QUOTE]Most likely he went down Carrera 53 in el centro Medellin.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2930361]I know this isn't the hotel thread. That thread has almost zero action, so asking here instead, so as to distract from the PPP (price paid for pussy) debate that goes nowhere and yet is ever present.

I want to stay near to El Centro because I like the cheap girls, which are more than good enough for me. They allow for a lot of variety for little money, which is awesome, plus cheap food and drinks nearby, also of good enough quality.

So, I'm seriously debating staying at Nutibara because most of the complaints are about WiFi (don't care) and breakfast (also don't care). So if that's the only downsides and I'm across the street from Plaza Botero and all the action, it seems good.

That said, I do want a nice mattress and clean room, which Nutibara *seems* to have.

Anyone with recent experience at Hotel Nutibara that can give me their unvarnished opinion?

Thanks in advance!

Nomars777.[/QUOTE]I don't have recent info about the hotel but Hotel Nutibara is where I stayed during my very first trip to Medellin many years ago. I had previously been going to Cartagena so much and I wanted to change it up. Also if I'm correct, Hotel Nutibara was the very first hotel that was built in Medellin. A little history there. The rooms were nice and updated. Nice bed. Spacious floor plan. Ig I remember correctly I stayed on the 4th floor at the end of the hall facing the Metro tracks. There is a balcony at the end of hall where you can go outside and see things on the street. The breakfast is a typical light Colombian breakfast. The staff was friendly and the maid was a very sweet woman. I wasn't worried about wifi because I was hooked up with Claro. I don't remember if wifi was an issue. If you take the white bus from the airport it will drop you off right behind the hotel. You will be near Ground Zero and the are some casas within walking distance, ew Life being one of them. Just down from the hotel is Playmates, Faro, Monaco, Grill etc. That area gets very crowded during the day, especially under the Metro. You can find any and everything there. Traverse some streets and there are many options for shopping and food. I got a thing for the Papas Rellenos. Make sure you get in made fresh and not one that's been sitting under a heat lamp all day. Lots of Tinto Girls down there too. Head down near the Guadalupe church, walk down a little and hang a right at the corner.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2930417]The thing is you will never really know what the other guy is getting for his money in terms of looks and quality of service just what was paid and what he says about it.[/QUOTE]He wrote a very informative post. He is happy and he is in Medellin. Why does he need to know what someone else had?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2930519]He wrote a very informative post. He is happy and he is in Medellin. Why does he need to know what someone else had?[/QUOTE]This is my seventh trip to Medellin in 2 1/2 years so I have learned over the years what I like to do and what I don't like to do. I don't like hanging out at the bars in Park Lleras but some guys loves it. I don't know what they pay and I don't care. Some guys love to pick up freelancers in Park Lleras. I don't do that and the prices paid might be interesting for informational purposes but it doesn't really affect me. I just stick what I know and like which is girls on Facebook. There are a large number of girls on Facebook and the price varies. If you contact enough girls, you will find young attractive girls in your price range. That much I know from personal experience.

Some of the stuff I read here is amusing to read when I am not in Medellin. But when I am in Medellin, I just ignore it and just do what I do and try my best to have a good trip the way I like to do things. To each his own.

There are enough stories about druggings and robberies to keep me on alert everyday and with every girl. So far I haven't had any issues but I'm not going to be complacent.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2930361]I know this isn't the hotel thread. That thread has almost zero action, so asking here instead, so as to distract from the PPP (price paid for pussy) debate that goes nowhere and yet is ever present.

I want to stay near to El Centro because I like the cheap girls, which are more than good enough for me. They allow for a lot of variety for little money, which is awesome, plus cheap food and drinks nearby, also of good enough quality.

So, I'm seriously debating staying at Nutibara because most of the complaints are about WiFi (don't care) and breakfast (also don't care). So if that's the only downsides and I'm across the street from Plaza Botero and all the action, it seems good.

That said, I do want a nice mattress and clean room, which Nutibara *seems* to have.

Anyone with recent experience at Hotel Nutibara that can give me their unvarnished opinion?

Thanks in advance!

Nomars777.[/QUOTE]I stayed there a few months ago. Ground zero for all the Centro action. Even the dumb taxi drivers know where it is. Rooms are good size and the in room safe can fit in a laptop. You can bring a girl in before 6 PM with no charge. After 6 I think it is around a 70 K fee.

This line had my cracking up: "Even the dumb taxi drivers know where it is!

I agree, taxistas can be super stupid sometimes. Not sure if it's intentional or just how they are. Then again, I've run across some really cool dudes, including the one last time who straight up told me he was a Tussi addict and drove just enough to get his money for his family and his fix. Great guy, I should've gotten his information. One of the nicest, cleanest taxis I'd been in, which for an addict was even more impressive.

Looking forward to Nutibara, booked it for night 1, then Factory Lofts for night 2, and Hotel Bolivariana for nights 3 and 4.

Should have a nice sampling then to know where to return later in the fall this year. .

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2930558]I stayed there a few months ago. Ground zero for all the Centro action. Even the dumb taxi drivers know where it is. Rooms are good size and the in room safe can fit in a laptop. You can bring a girl in before 6 PM with no charge. After 6 I think it is around a 70 K fee.[/QUOTE]

No one should care how anyone else moves or enjoys Medellin. There are so many places to find girls, so many ways to move through the city, that it just shouldn't matter. Find what you enjoy, what works for you, and just do that.

Nothing else matters.

Enjoy it because life is too short not to!

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2930550]This is my seventh trip to Medellin in 2 1/2 years so I have learned over the years what I like to do and what I don't like to do. I don't like hanging out at the bars in Park Lleras but some guys loves it. I don't know what they pay and I don't care. Some guys love to pick up freelancers in Park Lleras. I don't do that and the prices paid might be interesting for informational purposes but it doesn't really affect me. I just stick what I know and like which is girls on Facebook. There are a large number of girls on Facebook and the price varies. If you contact enough girls, you will find young attractive girls in your price range. That much I know from personal experience.

Some of the stuff I read here is amusing to read when I am not in Medellin. But when I am in Medellin, I just ignore it and just do what I do and try my best to have a good trip the way I like to do things. To each his own.

There are enough stories about druggings and robberies to keep me on alert everyday and with every girl. So far I haven't had any issues but I'm not going to be complacent.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2930358]I've mentioned prices in previous posts but I guess I can share the price range that I offer to girls on Facebook. I offer 200 mil plus taxi and they can choose to accept or counteroffer. I am willing to go to 250 mil if I I really like the girl and she agrees to all my terms. Transportation cost varies depending on where the girl lives generally can be anywhere from 15 mil to 30 mil. I usually pay the driver directly. I prefer girls who are 18 to 21 slim and petite but I like some curvy girls in the mix.

This is just what I do. This is what I personally am willing to pay. I am not saying this is the going rate or that most girls on Facebook will accept it.

Just sharing some information. Nothing more, nothing less.[/QUOTE]Exactly what I pay and do except I don't do curvy. Only slim and petite. I run thru all their friends and family members that look decent. Facebook is the move. I don't do street meat ever. No need because there are literally more than 100 chics in my Facebook friends list that I haven't gotten to yet.

No response to my questions in general info so posting here. I tried finding the information and couldn't.

1) Are they still checking phones in immigration?

2) has anyone used an eSIM? I am thinking of getting a SIM from the airport. Is there a waiting period for the SIM to be active?

3) I am going to stay in a hotel in Poblado. The plan is to get 2 girls to the room everyday. We are there for 3 days. When I booked the room, I booked it for 2 guests. Will the hotel create a stink if I am getting multiple people? The hotel is Hampton inn in Poblado.

4) At this point I have lined up a bunch of dates with girls I have met on seeking. I don't fuck SW's or escorts. Just my thing.

I'm still working on building the patience it takes to sort through facebook.

[QUOTE=MisterJam;2930649]Exactly what I pay and do except I don't do curvy. Only slim and petite. I run thru all their friends and family members that look decent. Facebook is the move. I don't do street meat ever. No need because there are literally more than 100 chics in my Facebook friends list that I haven't gotten to yet.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2930716]I'm still working on building the patience it takes to sort through facebook.[/QUOTE]There is a downside to Facebook girls. First, they do not live near where most guys stay. Most girls live in Bello which is about 30 minutes away but with traffic it can take longer. So unlike casas, night club girls and streetwalkers, you need to pay for their transportation so they can get to your hotel and you have to wait for their arrival.

Another downside is that due to traffic and just the general laissez-faire attitude of Latin America, most girls are going to be late. I've had a number of girls at the appointment time tell me that that they are getting ready to call the car right now. Now for me, 7:00 pm Appointment means that you are here at 7:00 pm Not that you are getting ready to go at 7:00 pm But that's just me.

Another big downside is that you're going to get girls who don't show up. You make an appointment. You confirm the appointment and then nothing. You send messages and there was no response. On this trip, it has happened twice to me and it's irritating but I always have a backup plan for this situation.

If these things are going to drive you crazy, Facebook Is not the way to go. Personal experience has taught me that it comes with the territory if you want to play with Facebook girls.

For me, the upside is worth the downside, but I can see that others would say no way.

[QUOTE=Aaragon2022;2930710]No response to my questions in general info so posting here. I tried finding the information and couldn't.

1) Are they still checking phones in immigration?

2) has anyone used an eSIM? I am thinking of getting a SIM from the airport. Is there a waiting period for the SIM to be active?

3) I am going to stay in a hotel in Poblado. The plan is to get 2 girls to the room everyday. We are there for 3 days. When I booked the room, I booked it for 2 guests. Will the hotel create a stink if I am getting multiple people? The hotel is Hampton inn in Poblado.

4) At this point I have lined up a bunch of dates with girls I have met on seeking. I don't fuck SW's or escorts. Just my thing.[/QUOTE]1. yes, not everyone of course.

2. I bought mine online while in the states and activated it once my boots were on the ground in Meddy, it worked fine.

3. Yes they will create more than a stink, it won't be allowed, just take them to a love motel they're cheap as hell. You should have asked about this prior to booking, duh.

My responses appear beneath your questions below.

[QUOTE=Aaragon2022;2930710]No response to my questions in general info so posting here. I tried finding the information and couldn't.

1) Are they still checking phones in immigration?
This is not something that's ever happened to me but I am aware of the reports. Your question does not specify whether you are referring to Colombia immigration or your home country immigration. In either case, I don't believe you can rule out the possibility. My advice is to take steps so that it would not matter is your phone were inspected. I'm not involved of course but I must say your question strikes me as suspicious, so it's reasonable to assume trained investigators would pick up on the vibes.

2) has anyone used an eSIM? I am thinking of getting a SIM from the airport. Is there a waiting period for the SIM to be active?
I'm not sure what the waiting period for eSIM activation may be. I recommend you sort that out after you are settled in your hotel. There is free wifi at the airport you can use for uber/didi, whatsapp, wifi calling etc. You can even start working facebook if you want to get a head start. I think you will find it more convenient to deal with a wireless store where you won't be pestered by thirsty independent driver offers (don't accept such offers). [/QUOTE]

It can be difficult because the menu is in Spanish or there is no menu and the guy is telling you menu in Spanish. Now in Poblado there are a number of places where some of the staff can speak English and there are English menus but you really let me think yourself if you just go to those places.

I would suggest learning some basics so you know the type of meat that you are eating. Words for chicken, pork, beef and fish are useful. Useful. That way you at least know what meat you are ordering. Take your time and use Google translate to be able to translate the menu and you should be fine.

Just tell the waiter that you need a little bit more time and then just point to the entree that you want.

It can be a little intimidating at first but after while you will be able to get by.

Believe it or not this was one of my worries when I first came to Medellin, would I be able to handle dining in a restaurant where no English is spoken? The answer turn out to be yes in most cases but with some difficulty. The good news is that with each subsequent trip, you start picking up more words on the menu and it just gets easier. Pollo is chicken, cerdo is pork, pescado is fish, and beef has a number of words, res, carne, bistec. Now you may not understand what dish you just ordered, but at least you know it's a chicken dish.

My default dish here is tacos. There are actually a lot of good Mexican taco places.

The lines on a Monday afternoon were much shorter, only halfway between the bathroom and the immigration officials. I thought this is great but they were only three immigration officers working and so it still took about 1 hour. Now if the lines were beyond the bathroom as in the past, It would have been 2 hours. There are posters when you get off the plane and when an immigration telling you not to go with underage girls or you could be facing 25 years in jail. Not the most pleasant "Welcome to Medellin" greeting when you first arrive.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2930622]No one should care how anyone else moves or enjoys Medellin. There are so many places to find girls, so many ways to move through the city, that it just shouldn't matter. Find what you enjoy, what works for you, and just do that.

Nothing else matters.

Enjoy it because life is too short not to![/QUOTE]You come on this forum to "take" information for your benefit from this community.

But then you turn right around and say screw everyone else.

You sound like a great guy and a fine human being.

How do you guys use Facebook? Facebook dating or something??

[QUOTE=Aaragon2022;2930710]No response to my questions in general info so posting here. I tried finding the information and couldn't.

1) Are they still checking phones in immigration?

2) has anyone used an eSIM? I am thinking of getting a SIM from the airport. Is there a waiting period for the SIM to be active?

3) I am going to stay in a hotel in Poblado. The plan is to get 2 girls to the room everyday. We are there for 3 days. When I booked the room, I booked it for 2 guests. Will the hotel create a stink if I am getting multiple people? The hotel is Hampton inn in Poblado.

4) At this point I have lined up a bunch of dates with girls I have met on seeking. I don't fuck SW's or escorts. Just my thing.[/QUOTE]Just my opinions.

1) Never had any immigration checks, or 2nd looks in MDE BOG or CAR. I do usually connect through BOG then MDE. The rare cases I hear were in MDE so maybe they're targeting those Florida direct incoming gringos. Funnily enough, 1 customs MDE agent was a working girl I've seen before.

2) Never changed my esim before but I see the value, but I'm too lazy to be arsed with that. I just do my darnedest to do every thing else "right".

3) Should've wrote that to the hotel beforehand, and discretely just say friends and that you're out there for a wedding or whatever. Plus there's the wildcard on who's on sight, make sure you establish a good, normal presence and rapport with security. Tipping goes a long way and make sure it's the same people.

4) Half my SWs or scorts have Seeking accounts, hybrid "semi pros". Had a couple quick sessions before they meet someone for a formal date. Just saying that the app / website doesn't guarantee their proclivities.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2930838]There is a downside to [b]colombianas en general[/b]; all women will always be ridiculously late. Another big downside is that [b]40% of them[/b] don't show up. It comes with the territory if you want to play with [b]colombianas[/b][/QUOTE]Fixed that for you!

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2930910]The lines on a Monday afternoon were much shorter, only halfway between the bathroom and the immigration officials. I thought this is great but they were only three immigration officers working and so it still took about 1 hour. Now if the lines were beyond the bathroom as in the past, It would have been 2 hours. There are posters when you get off the plane and when an immigration telling you not to go with underage girls or you could be facing 25 years in jail. Not the most pleasant "Welcome to Medellin" greeting when you first arrive.[/QUOTE]You got to prefer Thailand to Colombia. I remember in my first visit to Thailand many years ago the immigration official saying to me "So you like Thai girls, eh?" with a huge smile on his face before stamping my passport and sending me on my way.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2930867]It can be difficult because the menu is in Spanish or there is no menu and the guy is telling you menu in Spanish. Now in Poblado there are a number of places where some of the staff can speak English and there are English menus but you really let me think yourself if you just go to those places.

I would suggest learning some basics so you know the type of meat that you are eating. Words for chicken, pork, beef and fish are useful. Useful. That way you at least know what meat you are ordering. Take your time and use Google translate to be able to translate the menu and you should be fine.

Just tell the waiter that you need a little bit more time and then just point to the entree that you want.

It can be a little intimidating at first but after while you will be able to get by.

Believe it or not this was one of my worries when I first came to Medellin, would I be able to handle dining in a restaurant where no English is spoken? The answer turn out to be yes in most cases but with some difficulty. The good news is that with each subsequent trip, you start picking up more words on the menu and it just gets easier. Pollo is chicken, cerdo is pork, pescado is fish, and beef has a number of words, res, carne, bistec. Now you may not understand what dish you just ordered, but at least you know it's a chicken dish.

My default dish here is tacos. There are actually a lot of good Mexican taco places.[/QUOTE]Simple solution. Get the WIFI password for the restaurant, and use Google translator. Use the camera function by holding it over the menu & it translates it for you. Took me a few trips to Colombia before someone showed me this.

Check my history. I post LONG reports every time I go anywhere, providing much useful and hopefully humorous information as well to those who would like it or want it.

There are many opinions floated here, most of dubious quality.

I asked for recent experiences on staying at Hotel Nutibara, got good info and posted an opinion, like many others. I did not "take" anything. This is an exchange of information between those who participate in the same activities. Go read my previous posts on Medellin, you may find something of value, or you may not. Either way, that's on you.

After my next visit I will surely post more of my el centro experiences, as that's my preferred area to play in Medellin. As I stated in my opinion you quoted below, there is no right way or wrong way to enjoy Medellin. Go, experience, find out what you like and do that. Don't worry about what someone else does or doesn't do, where they go, what they pay, etc. None of that matters. Do what you like in the way you like it. Period end of story.

Most of all, ENJOY Medellin because life's too short not to!

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2930914]You come on this forum to "take" information for your benefit from this community.

But then you turn right around and say screw everyone else.

You sound like a great guy and a fine human being.[/QUOTE]

They waved me over to the biometrics machines instead of seeing a human immigration officer. You scan your passport, look at the camera and it's done. Relatively quick. The security lines were also relatively quick. Total time for me from waiting to check in at the airline to waiting at the gate was about half an hour. Not bad at all.

So I did survive another trip without any druggings or robberies.

It was a good trip. I saw the type of girls that I wanted to see for the amount of money that I wanted to pay and I got the type of performance that I expected. All these factors are different for every guy. But if you could satisfy these three factors for yourself on a trip, whatever your criteria, it is a successful trip.

I will say an obvious point. My eighth trip was much better than my first trip. I have to laugh now at all the mistakes I made on my first trip. I think that will be the way it will be for most guys. Expect to make mistakes and learn from it.

I got caught up in the software issues affecting flights. The bad news is it wasn't my flight from Medellin to Florida but it was my flight from Florida to my home. If my flight was canceled in Medellin, that's not necessarily such a bad thing to have more time in Medellin. But now I'm stuck in Florida dealing with flight issues. If you were planning to fly to Medellin now, you may be disappointed.

Yes, I am stuck in Florida due to the Crowdstrike software issue but let me describe my experience returning to the United States. There have been a lot of horror stories about guy's cellphones being searched and being asked a lot of questions when they return.

This is my experience from yesterday. I am a member of global entry. I stood in front of the global entry kiosk for about 2 seconds, stood in line for a few minutes and then the immigration official just waved me through.

That was my personal experience and it was pretty good as you can see.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2931114]The security lines were also relatively quick. Total time for me from waiting to check in at the airline to waiting at the gate was about half an hour. Not bad at all.

It was a good trip. I saw the type of girls that I wanted to see for the amount of money that I wanted to pay and I got the type of performance that I expected. All these factors are different for every guy. But if you could satisfy these three factors for yourself on a trip, whatever your criteria, it is a successful trip.
[/QUOTE]Yes, how much was the cost of your airplane ticket, airport parking costs, hotel costs? When you add that together it can be better to pull girls from the internet.

Also your time is worth something too! How many hours ahead of flight do you wait at the airport each way? Travel time to and from the airport? I found it takes about a day of my time each way.

Lately I have found an abundant supply of women from Brazil that are great in bed, ranging from $50 to $300 a session. And they are very affectionate. Brazil women seem to be the latest wave coming into the US on tourist visas and they all overstay thinking they can live here forever, and they need a sugar daddy to help them.

Hi everyone,

I now live in New Jersey, call it New York, where I spend most of my time. I am looking to take my first mongering trip since moving to USA but for all the options available, can't seem to decide where I should visit. I have posted the same in other forums as well and hoping someone experienced can guide me and Ofcourse, I will write a detailed report post my expiditions.

What I am looking for is a 3/4 get away. I love Latin woman and had a great time in Brazil (before I had even discovered ISG).

I love kissing and Latin woman somehow are the most sensual and great kissers.

I am looking for something safe, where I can chill and have a good time with a few different girls or may be even have someone for the entire day.

I like the it all- 20's,30's,40's,50's- don't care so much about the age, as long as they are pretty and clean. Petite / Curvy- I like them all, beautiful face, good kissers- girl friend experience, I am sucker- am easy to please!

I just need your help in deciding, what would be the best first time travel spot for me, out of the options in the title.

So far Tijauana is number one followed by San Salvado, I want to say Medellin (number really but it just feels very unsafe based on recent reports.).

How much should I budget for my first trip. Say if I want to enjoy 3/4 ladies over 3 days?

Any places to enjoy milfs?

There are a lot of reports but perhaps been a while, these are catered towards new travellers in the region, hopefully your response will help others like me and I will revert with a detailed report post my trip in September.

Thanks in anticipation of your help.

I have enjoyed the most in Dubai and Brazil- Dubai is more Russian and Middle Eastern beauties and I like the club scene. Brazil just has a special place in my heart, I lived there for 6 months and had a blast! If you need any information about those places please let me know.

I am still trying to work out whether the cellphones are being inspected in Colombia, in other countries, or both. In any case, it is between a very bad idea and downright reckless to have questionable images on your phone or accessible via your phone, or any other devices under your control.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2931382]Yes, I am stuck in Florida due to the Crowdstrike software issue but let me describe my experience returning to the United States. There have been a lot of horror stories about guy's cellphones being searched and being asked a lot of questions when they return.

This is my experience from yesterday. I am a member of global entry. I stood in front of the global entry kiosk for about 2 seconds, stood in line for a few minutes and then the immigration official just waved me through.

That was my personal experience and it was pretty good as you can see.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2931382]Yes, I am stuck in Florida due to the Crowdstrike software issue but let me describe my experience returning to the United States. There have been a lot of horror stories about guy's cellphones being searched and being asked a lot of questions when they return.

This is my experience from yesterday. I am a member of global entry. I stood in front of the global entry kiosk for about 2 seconds, stood in line for a few minutes and then the immigration official just waved me through.

That was my personal experience and it was pretty good as you can see.[/QUOTE]It's getting easier each trip I make to Medellin. When I was leaving Medellin they let me go to a kiosk instead of waiting for immigration officer. Yes, Global Entry is worth the investment especially when you land in FLL airport. It only takes minutes while others have to wait in long lines.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2931603]It's getting easier each trip I make to Medellin. When I was leaving Medellin they let me go to a kiosk instead of waiting for immigration officer. Yes, Global Entry is worth the investment especially when you land in FLL airport. It only takes minutes while others have to wait in long lines.[/QUOTE]I was also directed to the biometrics kiosk when leaving Medellin. I scanned my passport, looked into the camera and then allowed to pass through without speaking to anyone. My understanding is that they are now allowing Americans to use the biometric kiosks.

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2931557]Yes, how much was the cost of your airplane ticket, airport parking costs, hotel costs? When you add that together it can be better to pull girls from the internet.

Also your time is worth something too! How many hours ahead of flight do you wait at the airport each way? Travel time to and from the airport? I found it takes about a day of my time each way.

Lately I have found an abundant supply of women from Brazil that are great in bed, ranging from $50 to $300 a session. And they are very affectionate. Brazil women seem to be the latest wave coming into the US on tourist visas and they all overstay thinking they can live here forever, and they need a sugar daddy to help them.[/QUOTE]Where do you live and how have you found these women?

[QUOTE=HumbleHal;2931557]Yes, how much was the cost of your airplane ticket, airport parking costs, hotel costs? When you add that together it can be better to pull girls from the internet.

Also your time is worth something too! How many hours ahead of flight do you wait at the airport each way? Travel time to and from the airport? I found it takes about a day of my time each way.

Lately I have found an abundant supply of women from Brazil that are great in bed, ranging from $50 to $300 a session. And they are very affectionate. Brazil women seem to be the latest wave coming into the US on tourist visas and they all overstay thinking they can live here forever, and they need a sugar daddy to help them.[/QUOTE]First of all, this is straight BS ad lies. And most importantly, soon your face will be on tv for being arrested in one of the police trafficking and prostitution stings and traps. I don't know why dudes come on here with this kind of nonsense comparing illegal activities in the us with Brazil or Colombia where our hobby is legal. There's simply zero comparison. Most american men have tricked in the states or on the dl, but it aint the same, not even close. In Br or Col you can go to a club, prive, termas to pick from an actual lineup, you can dance, have a drink, converse, go on dates, and have thousands of all types avail to you. You get to enjoy their culture, music, food, and more. Traveling isn't just about sticking your little peepee in a hole while worrying about the police; it's also to enjoy a vacation, better food, practice a new language, exchange intel with other travelers, meet locals, and obeying the fucking law by being in a place where you can do this shit. Maybe you're the type who also think a sex doll can be just as good as a woman and no need to date or travel lmao.

Don't post this crap and keep it to yourself hombre.

There is a sign at the head of the passport control line inviting foreigners to use the kiosks. I remember the first time I saw it I wondered why there was no English translation on it.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2931616]I was also directed to the biometrics kiosk when leaving Medellin. I scanned my passport, looked into the camera and then allowed to pass through without speaking to anyone. My understanding is that they are now allowing Americans to use the biometric kiosks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2931964]First of all, this is straight BS ad lies. And most importantly, soon your face will be on tv for being arrested in one of the police trafficking and prostitution stings and traps. I don't know why dudes come on here with this kind of nonsense comparing illegal activities in the us with Brazil or Colombia where our hobby is legal. There's simply zero comparison.[/QUOTE]LOL. I am not about to risk my life or my freedom over some pussy. MFs get so wrapped up, they think traveling is only about pussy. Then they get so complacent with where it is legal, they feel like doing it where it is illegal will save them some money. Until they get caught! That man needs a wake up call.

You bring up a very important point. The risk of a criminal record should absolutely be part of deciding whether we engage with providers in countries where it is illegal. My personal opinion is the risks far outweigh the benefit for anyone who is still in the workforce or in a marriage.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2931964]First of all, this is straight BS ad lies. And most importantly, soon your face will be on tv for being arrested in one of the police trafficking and prostitution stings and traps. I don't know why dudes come on here with this kind of nonsense comparing illegal activities in the us with Brazil or Colombia where our hobby is legal. There's simply zero comparison. Most american men have tricked in the states or on the dl, but it aint the same, not even close. In Br or Col you can go to a club, prive, termas to pick from an actual lineup, you can dance, have a drink, converse, go on dates, and have thousands of all types avail to you. You get to enjoy their culture, music, food, and more. Traveling isn't just about sticking your little peepee in a hole while worrying about the police; it's also to enjoy a vacation, better food, practice a new language, exchange intel with other travelers, meet locals, and obeying the fucking law by being in a place where you can do this shit. Maybe you're the type who also think a sex doll can be just as good as a woman and no need to date or travel lmao.

Don't post this crap and keep it to yourself hombre.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2931964]First of all, this is straight BS ad lies. And most importantly, soon your face will be on tv for being arrested in one of the police trafficking and prostitution stings and traps. I don't know why dudes come on here with this kind of nonsense comparing illegal activities in the us with Brazil or Colombia where our hobby is legal. There's simply zero comparison. Most american men have tricked in the states or on the dl, but it aint the same, not even close. In Br or Col you can go to a club, prive, termas to pick from an actual lineup, you can dance, have a drink, converse, go on dates, and have thousands of all types avail to you. You get to enjoy their culture, music, food, and more. Traveling isn't just about sticking your little peepee in a hole while worrying about the police; it's also to enjoy a vacation, better food, practice a new language, exchange intel with other travelers, meet locals, and obeying the fucking law by being in a place where you can do this shit. Maybe you're the type who also think a sex doll can be just as good as a woman and no need to date or travel lmao.

Don't post this crap and keep it to yourself hombre.[/QUOTE]The biggest issue in the USA is that, as noted, prostitution is illegal and you can be arrested and your life can be ruined. That is not an issue in Colombia if you see girls of legal age. It is also very expensive in America. The equivalent of GFE with a young attractive girl in my city is about $400 for the hour. Escorts here also require a screening or referrals and sometimes that can be difficult.

I know a lot of guys who come here for a week and have sex everyday. GFE for week in USA would be about $2800 US. You will spend a lot less in Colombia even with airfare and hotel, at least from the East Coast.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2932021]There is a sign at the head of the passport control line inviting foreigners to use the kiosks. I remember the first time I saw it I wondered why there was no English translation on it.[/QUOTE]I left there last Wednesday and the sign above the kiosks says they are for Colombian citizens, nothing about foreigners. They were not directing any foreigners to the kiosks. I didn't see any sign at the head of the line.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2931964]First of all, this is straight BS ad lies. And most importantly, soon your face will be on tv for being arrested in one of the police trafficking and prostitution stings and traps. I don't know why dudes come on here with this kind of nonsense comparing illegal activities in the us with Brazil or Colombia where our hobby is legal. There's simply zero comparison. Most american men have tricked in the states or on the dl, but it aint the same, not even close. In Br or Col you can go to a club, prive, termas to pick from an actual lineup, you can dance, have a drink, converse, go on dates, and have thousands of all types avail to you. You get to enjoy their culture, music, food, and more. Traveling isn't just about sticking your little peepee in a hole while worrying about the police; it's also to enjoy a vacation, better food, practice a new language, exchange intel with other travelers, meet locals, and obeying the fucking law by being in a place where you can do this shit. Maybe you're the type who also think a sex doll can be just as good as a woman and no need to date or travel lmao.

Don't post this crap and keep it to yourself hombre.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% with Madd, there is no comparison between illegally practicing the hobby in the US and being free to practice it legally in Colombia or Mexico or any other country where it is legal.

I've mongered in the US back in the days before I discovered Mexico and Colombia. I remember Redbook, Backpage, and SipSap. First of all it is alot more expensive in the US. Secondly the quality is usually shitty (except for this cute Cambodian girl named princess I found on Backpage in Seattle in summer 2011). Thirdly it's almost always covered service. But more importantly it is illegal under the archaic laws of the United States.

Much like how the Jim Crow laws of the south marginalized people of color, prostitution laws in the United States marginalize mongers. Once you are caught in some stupid sting operation, your picture will be plastered all over the local media, the government will do their best to humiliate you in front of your family and friends, and heaven forbid if you have a wife and kids, you'll probably be getting a divorce.

So no, mongering in the united states is not a good idea, and it is not in any way, shape, or form comparable to what it is like in a place like Medellin.

-Gabacho Out.

[QUOTE=OldParr;2926623]Based on your posting history you are always asking for help but have never contributed a trip report, so why should others continue to provide you with information?[/QUOTE]With every trip I've went on I def made a report. I'm just not lucky enough like yall to be out and about so often.

Sooo what are the going rates for parque lleras girls? What would it be for one pop session or TLN. Anything helps TIA.

[QUOTE=Cassette;2930356]Can any one name the street he "accidentally" goes down at 06:09? Sounds like the kind of place I'd like to go during daylight hours.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfXpPTqer48[/URL][/QUOTE]Its just on the extension of Carabobo. The main walkway between Berrio and Pqe de Luces. Its part of the main sex area, but also the main tourist area, so I dunno why he said he made a wrong turn.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2930361]

Anyone with recent experience at Hotel Nutibara that can give me their unvarnished opinion?
[/QUOTE]Very nice staff, perfect location by MDE standards, great value (even though they have started pricejacking). Great place for long term. Only issue is with bringing girls back. They say they will charge (after 6 pm I think), but they never charged me but they did charge others. I guess because I was long term. But anyway, I think its 50 mil extra or smthg (incl free breakfast).

Floor 7 has best wifi. Florr 10 has best rooms (with terraces overlooking Plaza Berrio).

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2932119]I left there last Wednesday and the sign above the kiosks says they are for Colombian citizens, nothing about foreigners. They were not directing any foreigners to the kiosks. I didn't see any sign at the head of the line.[/QUOTE]Maybe they are confusing MDE with BOG. Last time I left thru Bogota they had me use the machine to scan my passport and I didn't have to speak to any immigration officer nor did I get an exit stamp in my passport. By contrast, the last time I left thru Medellin they still did it the old fashioned way where you have to go thru the long line to get to an immigration officer who then has to physically stamp your passport with an exit stamp.

We were there from 18th through 21. Luckily one of us landed 30 minutes before the other 2, so one of us held the spot for us in the line. Immigration was easy, no questions were asked other than what you are here for. As soon as we got out of the airport we caught one of the white cabs who did not take us to through the tunnel but still made it to Medellin in a decent time. I think the driver was trying to save money on the tolls you have to pay for the tunnel.

All 3 of us started talking to Chica's a couple of weeks prior to landing in Medellin. Our primary hunting ground was seeking. We did not go to any clubs, or try to pick up chica's from Parque Lleras.

We each setup multiple dates during the day and met with like 3 to 4 girls. One for lunch and fun and then one for dinner club and overnight. For lunch and fun we paid an average of 400 to 500 Mil. For overnight our average was 800 Mil. Some key observations.

1) Of the 30 or so girls we met through seeking, only 2 of them seem like regular girls, most were UTR pro's who were interested in getting the most out of us including ordering additional bottles when we went to a club.

2) This was our first time their and frankly were shocked by some of the amounts these girls were asking for. Some wanted $400 per night, one even wanted $1000.

3) Overall the experience was great, especially taking the women to clubs and getting them back to the room for fun.

4) We stayed at the Hampton in Poblado. Hotel was amazing, and if we did not come down to leave the girl they would call the room to check if we were safe. The only challenge was that you had to pay 150 K for each additional girl we registered.

5) The 3 of us had a lot of girls who were common and had to coin toss to get the first shot at the girls. Some would text my friends next day asking to hangout even though they had hung out with me the previous night. I had to tell them that we just hung out last night and that she was my friend's date. Did not really faze them.

6) I fucked 3 girls total on the trip, 2 of them twice. All of them initially said no to BBFS but agreed to it once we got going. I did not partake and consistently used Condom's for sex.

It was a great experience but I don't think I will be making another trip. I have sugar babies in the US, although I pay them higher they don't have a different dick in them everyday and are much more appreciative of the help I give them.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2931964]First of all, this is straight BS ad lies. [/QUOTE]I don't think it would be that hard to find discreet latinas in America. Especially with the influx the past 3 years. Still, the selection / quality to price ratio is always going to be off in the USA. Just really no point.

It probably is a waste of time and money to go back and forth to Colombia or any other country for just sex. VR porn can be infinitely better than a "vaca muerta" experience where there's zero initiation from the girl. Colombia is kinda shitty but it's also kinda great. The culture and cost of living is so much better than in America so there's many reasons to go there and stay a while.

[QUOTE=Aaragon2022;2932333]We were there from 18th through 21. Luckily one of us landed 30 minutes before the other 2, so one of us held the spot for us in the line. Immigration was easy, no questions were asked other than what you are here for. As soon as we got out of the airport we caught one of the white cabs who did not take us to through the tunnel but still made it to Medellin in a decent time. I think the driver was trying to save money on the tolls you have to pay for the tunnel.

All 3 of us started talking to Chica's a couple of weeks prior to landing in Medellin. Our primary hunting ground was seeking. We did not go to any clubs, or try to pick up chica's from Parque Lleras.

We each setup multiple dates during the day and met with like 3 to 4 girls. One for lunch and fun and then one for dinner club and overnight. For lunch and fun we paid an average of 400 to 500 Mil. For overnight our average was 800 Mil. Some key observations.

1) Of the 30 or so girls we met through seeking, only 2 of them seem like regular girls, most were UTR pro's who were interested in getting the most out of us including ordering additional bottles when we went to a club.

2) This was our first time their and frankly were shocked by some of the amounts these girls were asking for. Some wanted $400 per night, one even wanted $1000.

3) Overall the experience was great, especially taking the women to clubs and getting them back to the room for fun.

4) We stayed at the Hampton in Poblado. Hotel was amazing, and if we did not come down to leave the girl they would call the room to check if we were safe. The only challenge was that you had to pay 150 K for each additional girl we registered.

5) The 3 of us had a lot of girls who were common and had to coin toss to get the first shot at the girls. Some would text my friends next day asking to hangout even though they had hung out with me the previous night. I had to tell them that we just hung out last night and that she was my friend's date. Did not really faze them.

6) I fucked 3 girls total on the trip, 2 of them twice. All of them initially said no to BBFS but agreed to it once we got going. I did not partake and consistently used Condom's for sex.

It was a great experience but I don't think I will be making another trip. I have sugar babies in the US, although I pay them higher they don't have a different dick in them everyday and are much more appreciative of the help I give them.[/QUOTE]Good report, common rookie errors, but it doesn't seem like it's for you anyway if you are confusing things like who is whose "date. " That is not a factor when dealing with women who have sex for (way too much) money, especially not in Colombia. You're for sure better off with your sugar babies.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2932021]There is a sign at the head of the passport control line inviting foreigners to use the kiosks. I remember the first time I saw it I wondered why there was no English translation on it.[/QUOTE]I don't know what sign you saw but the kiosks are for Colombian citizens only. I have permanent Colombian residency and even I can't use them.

300 K for 1 hour.

Ahh The most hype hooker in all of Medellin and possibly all of Colombia, the Paisa Pornstar review of everyone's favorite. Vanessa.

She needs no introduction but for those who are new here we are talking about Vanessa. She has been working in Medellin on and off for 5 + years. She will say 3 years because she took off for pandemic and lived off tips from her porn / webcam days. Anyway let's get into the action.

Firstly, Vanessa marketing game is insane, she has all the ads on photoprepago, prepago69 , masjaistapaisa, just short of craigslist you can see her everywhere including Twitter! (Which she post content often by herself and with partners).

She is located in one of the more famous prepago buildings in Poblado (I'll omit the name on here but those who know, know).

Booking her is and art in itself, she has a whole system so let me break it down. When you first message her on WhatsApp, you might not ever get a reply. If you want to hear back from message her m-f between 8:55 am and 9:10 am. She is like a busy resturant and booking her is impossible unless you text during this time. I can not stress enough TEXT only. Secondly, have a little bit more Intresting message then "hola" or "est disponible " say something nice like.

"Buenos theas cario, acabo de salir de la ducha, todo fresco, limpio why afeitado, listo para ver que tengas una experiencia increble. " If she doesn't reply back within the first 45 min or so it's a wrap.

And she got booked so move on and try another day.

Ok, let's say you do score a date with her. She will confirm and then confirm 1 HR before. It's important you don't go too early.

And hand around and ask the apt number (it changes) or else she gets sort of mad that another client is distracting her.

Ok, one you get in, she opens the door and you are greeted with a full plastic pasa Barbie complete with full lips, (lip ring sometimes) HUGE fake bolt ONS and a HUGE ass with a small scuplted waist. The softness skin you ever touched. Her face is like famke Jensen if she was pasa and she is a natural dark red head. This might change as she dyes her hair from red to blond to black to coffee.

Her aparment usually has a couple rooms but only her working out of it. She greets you with a DFK and offers a beer or water. Money up front and then comes down to action.

Vanesa is very passionate with kissing, eye contact touching, carreesinf. She went straight for my.

Knnish. I took off all her clothes but she keeps her ridiculously oversized high heels on. She stands about 5 9'.

Them on and 5 3 with them off. We start with more kissing and sucking, she likes a little pull on her nipples and some playful biting. I'm rock hard and she goes to grab a rubber for a covered BJ. She will NEVER do oral naturale and don't ask. She turns down 1 mil for it and has some weird hygenic about it. Ok, I lay there and she sucks me. It's not bad but it's covered and nothing I can do about it. Next she gets on top, no lube and rides. She gets wet and the we switch to missionary. Her super smooth wet pussy feels awesome.

And her 36 DD press against me as I pound deep. She looks me in the eyes and she starts to rub her clit. Bam! She cums hard and does a shake. She isn't finished. We fuck some more and she goes or grab her pink vibrator and sets it to speed three. She said "it's mi novia" I laugh it start sucking her hugh tits as she cums again. Next it's my turn and she starts to suck me more, I ask if I can finish on her tits and she says "oh sooo claro mi gusta" I shoot a huge.

Load all over her as she strokes me even more. I finish my beer and she offers a massage for the remaining 20 min left. I leave happy satisfied and relaxed right before my flight. I can't stress enough, Vanessa is like a tourist attraction and won't be around forever, so enjoy her while she last. She told me she has like 3 years left.

[QUOTE=Aaragon2022;2932333]

We each setup multiple dates during the day and met with like 3 to 4 girls. One for lunch and fun and then one for dinner club and overnight. For lunch and fun we paid an average of 400 to 500 Mil. For overnight our average was 800 Mil. Some key observations.

1) Of the 30 or so girls we met through seeking, only 2 of them seem like regular girls, most were UTR pro's who were interested in getting the most out of us including ordering additional bottles when we went to a club.

2) This was our first time their and frankly were shocked by some of the amounts these girls were asking for. Some wanted $400 per night, one even wanted $1000.[/QUOTE]Wow, things have changed. When I first used seeking in 2019, I think more than half the women I saw I was the first one they had met off seeking. I did have two crazies who wanted $300 and $800 per day but I never went over $140 for a session, always got bare, and was stunned at how many women never even mentioned price. I last used it in 2021.

[QUOTE=Aaragon2022;2932333]It was a great experience but I don't think I will be making another trip. I have sugar babies in the US, although I pay them higher they don't have a different dick in them everyday and are much more appreciative of the help I give them.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I just read this headline on Zero Hedge today, The Percentage Of Americans That Worry They Won't Be Able To Pay Their Bills Is Higher Than It Was During The Great Recession.

After seeing what guys have been paying for the hotties in Colombia and even Mexico, I am not sure it is worth the trouble of going abroad anymore especially if things are this dire in the USA. I first used seeking in 2009 in the USA and it rocked then. In 2018, I remember sending out hundreds of requests and getting like three responses. Around then, I went abroad and things were MUCH better.

Since I have been in Colombia and now know how the women are, if I were seeking out sugar babies now, I would go to college campuses or where young women hang out and be much more direct. If one told me no, I would ask if she had a friend who was interested in being a sugar baby. The women have been I guess the word is trained to seek out men with money, and the higher class women are usually pretty polite. Still, that approach would take time you probably do not have.

But I think the other thing is the good ones are taken or they are in hard to get to areas. When I meet a woman off seeking, I put her in one of four categories: not interested, hooker material, SB material, and very rarely GF or wife material. I have never met GF material off seeking in the USA. I did meet one or two GF material types in Mexico and three in Colombia. I took one off the market, and I have been following my exs on social media, and one just got engaged. She was a sweet as can be teacher, and I am happy for her. The last GF type is still single in a city way off the beaten path.

In short, I think what you are doing and focusing on the USA makes sense at least for now.

And do not worry about Haucho's comments. Like a lot of guys here, he thinks the whole sugar thing is bullshit and all the seeking women are run of the mill hookers engaged in excessively charging men.

I am not Colombian. I have used the Medellin kiosk twice.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2932613]I don't know what sign you saw but the kiosks are for Colombian citizens only. I have permanent Colombian residency and even I can't use them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932791]Wow, things have changed. When I first used seeking in 2019, I think more than half the women I saw I was the first one they had met off seeking. I did have two crazies who wanted $300 and $800 per day but I never went over $140 for a session, always got bare, and was stunned at how many women never even mentioned price. I last used it in 2021.

Yeah, I just read this headline on Zero Hedge today, The Percentage Of Americans That Worry They Won't Be Able To Pay Their Bills Is Higher Than It Was During The Great Recession.

After seeing what guys have been paying for the hotties in Colombia and even Mexico, I am not sure it is worth the trouble of going abroad anymore especially if things are this dire in the USA. I first used seeking in 2009 in the USA and it rocked then. In 2018, I remember sending out hundreds of requests and getting like three responses. Around then, I went abroad and things were MUCH better.

Since I have been in Colombia and now know how the women are, if I were seeking out sugar babies now, I would go to college campuses or where young women hang out and be much more direct. If one told me no, I would ask if she had a friend who was interested in being a sugar baby. The women have been I guess the word is trained to seek out men with money, and the higher class women are usually pretty polite. Still, that approach would take time you probably do not have.

But I think the other thing is the good ones are taken or they are in hard to get to areas. When I meet a woman off seeking, I put her in one of four categories: not interested, hooker material, SB material, and very rarely GF or wife material. I have never met GF material off seeking in the USA. I did meet one or two GF material types in Mexico and three in Colombia. I took one off the market, and I have been following my exs on social media, and one just got engaged. She was a sweet as can be teacher, and I am happy for her. The last GF type is still single in a city way off the beaten path.

In short, I think what you are doing and focusing on the USA makes sense at least for now.

And do not worry about Haucho's comments. Like a lot of guys here, he thinks the whole sugar thing is bullshit and all the seeking women are run of the mill hookers engaged in excessively charging men.[/QUOTE]Before my trip to Bogota I was on seeking the average price girls were asking was 2-300 usd. At that price point I just simply tell talk to them like a hooker and explicitly what I'm looking for.

I also am American and used it about a month ago. I think this is new; I was surprised when they told me to use it.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2932613]I don't know what sign you saw but the kiosks are for Colombian citizens only. I have permanent Colombian residency and even I can't use them.[/QUOTE]Maybe you are talking about the entering kiosks which would be true. Others are talking about the departing kiosks which would also be true.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2932914]Maybe you are talking about the entering kiosks which would be true. Others are talking about the departing kiosks which would also be true.[/QUOTE]A friend of mine just left from MDE airport (international flight) this morning and he confirmed that there are no Biomig kiosks for extranjeros. He had to wait in line, speak to a Migracion Colombia agent, and get an exit stamp in his passport. It is only when leaving from BOG El Dorado airport that they have Biomig kiosks for us.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2932857]Before my trip to Bogota I was on seeking the average price girls were asking was 2-300 usd. At that price point I just simply tell talk to them like a hooker and explicitly what I'm looking for.[/QUOTE]He and others argue that there are different strata for hookers, if that's true, then there is this to explain.

How some mongers are overcharged, different stratas for mongers.

[URL]https://www.wbez.org/race-out-loud/2012/08/29/asian-american-men-less-likely-to-date-interacially[/URL]

I myself thinks there are different strata for hookers, they are as follows.

Doable vs undoable not even at the barrel of a gun (probably 90-95% fall into the later category).

The other strata is pleasers vs scammers.

IME the higher the price a hooker charges the more mercenary she is and the less of a pleaser she is.

In closing, market price is eventually determined by what the outliers pay (are overcharged).

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2932857]Before my trip to Bogota I was on seeking the average price girls were asking was 2-300 usd. At that price point I just simply tell talk to them like a hooker and explicitly what I'm looking for.[/QUOTE]If asking those prices, money up front, then she is a prostitute. They can give themselves softer names like sugar baby, escort, companion, part-timer, semi-pro, but no real difference. Only difference is she charges more cause she can and she has 5 guys a month instead of 20.

We are men, like to at least believe the woman we are with is more exclusive to us than others. Not usually true.

My experience with Seeking is 50% or more profiles are fake / bots, other 45% are prostitutes of different price levels, 5% are curious normal women. Unfortunately, when the Colombianas working IG, FB, Cupid figured out guys on seeking pay more, they go strictly on Seeking and ask for more. I too cannot find correlation between price paid and a good time, good sex. If anything, the prettier the more distanced they are, less they want to do. Almost like they are doing me a favor.

But Seeking is good for those that prefer to window shop before the interaction, prefer to spend time at home in comfort instead of boots on the ground doing the preliminary arrangements. And have the money to spare for that comfort.

The high end customers always existed, only difference is that they are now also traveling and looking into less costly countries to fly women from. I remember 10 years ago sitting at a Toronto strip club talking with a hot curvy blonde after a lap dance. She said she had a regular older guy in California. Out of the blue he would call on her to go there business class flight and would give her a blank cheque for the weekend. She said she used to just cash 1 K, not to burn bridges.

So, yes, our money is ours to spend as we wish, but we also understand that it does raise the median price for those that choose Colombia due to the expected lower cost of sex. Frankly, women are smarter than us men, they know we are too individualistic and don't care about the next guy, while they slowly united under the feminist movement.

I see we got a real connoisseur here! I've messaged Vane probably 30 times in the past two years trying to get an appointment through text and no such luck. Her telegram channels always get me bone hard whenever I open them. She definitely is popular with the Medellin locals too. That Poblado building has some of the best of the best imo in Medellin. Another blonde favorite of mine in that building is Dulce and also Dafpne who's got a great body. They're both flacas and offer great services. If you can get a hold of Mia out of Laureles near La 70, she is one of the few in Medellin that I repeat and am a regular on a name basis. Hard to get a hold of, but she has a rockin' body and service that will not disappoint. Like you said, getting a hold of these top rated local favorites is like a 1 in 1000 odds for the day and like playing crapshoot.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2932643]300 K for 1 hour.

Ahh The most hype hooker in all of Medellin and possibly all of Colombia, the Paisa Pornstar review of everyone's favorite. Vanessa.

She needs no introduction but for those who are new here we are talking about Vanessa. She has been working in Medellin on and off for 5 + years. She will say 3 years because she took off for pandemic and lived off tips from her porn / webcam days. Anyway let's get into the action.


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[QUOTE=Gabacho;2932931]A friend of mine just left from MDE airport (international flight) this morning and he confirmed that there are no Biomig kiosks for extranjeros. He had to wait in line, speak to a Migracion Colombia agent, and get an exit stamp in his passport. It is only when leaving from BOG El Dorado airport that they have Biomig kiosks for us.[/QUOTE]Wrong. I used the biomig kiosk in April when leaving MDE (back to the States). I didn't speak to an agent and didn't get an exit stamp.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2933123]Wrong. I used the biomig kiosk in April when leaving MDE (back to the States). I didn't speak to an agent and didn't get an exit stamp.[/QUOTE]Same here at the end of May. In fact an agent announced to everybody in line that all extranjeros had to use the biomig. Now can we put this topic to bed?

I'm done with the topic. At the same time, it is entertaining to learn the basis on which some of us make authoritative statements in the group.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2933156]Same here at the end of May. In fact an agent announced to everybody in line that all extranjeros had to use the biomig. Now can we put this topic to bed?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2933156]Same here at the end of May. In fact an agent announced to everybody in line that all extranjeros had to use the biomig. Now can we put this topic to bed?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2933123]Wrong. I used the biomig kiosk in April when leaving MDE (back to the States). I didn't speak to an agent and didn't get an exit stamp.[/QUOTE]Those happened two and three months ago, so we can't put it to bed. I left MDE last week and they were not directing any foreigners to use the kiosks. A sign above the kiosks plainly stated that they are for Colombian citizens. Earlier this year, an agent directed me to use the kiosks. That was the first and only time I have used them.

When I left last week, there was a fairly long line with only two agents. I think they would have been directing people to use the kiosks if that was an option. A few Latinos used them, so they were operational.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2933208]Those happened two and three months ago, so we can't put it to bed. I left MDE last week and they were not directing any foreigners to use the kiosks. A sign above the kiosks plainly stated that they are for Colombian citizens. Earlier this year, an agent directed me to use the kiosks. That was the first and only time I have used them.

When I left last week, there was a fairly long line with only two agents. I think they would have been directing people to use the kiosks if that was an option. A few Latinos used them, so they were operational.[/QUOTE]Thank you for clarifying with the most recent up-to-date information about the situation in regard to the Biomig kiosks not being available to extranjeros leaving Colombia from the MDE airport, bro.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2933123]Wrong. I used the biomig kiosk in April when leaving MDE (back to the States). I didn't speak to an agent and didn't get an exit stamp.[/QUOTE]So it appears that it is you who is actually [B] wrong [/B] Miamiboy. It was in fact my information that reflected the current situation at MDE.

Just last week, in the stupid shit in Medellin thread, I told you that you should make sure you do you research before you open your mouth and make false statements. Apparently you prefer to make a fool of yourself in front of everyone here.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2933208]Those happened two and three months ago, so we can't put it to bed. I left MDE last week and they were not directing any foreigners to use the kiosks. A sign above the kiosks plainly stated that they are for Colombian citizens. Earlier this year, an agent directed me to use the kiosks. That was the first and only time I have used them.

When I left last week, there was a fairly long line with only two agents. I think they would have been directing people to use the kiosks if that was an option. A few Latinos used them, so they were operational.[/QUOTE]The answer is sometimes yes, sometimes no. I left MDE about a week ago and they were directing foreigners to use the kiosks The kiosks show the Canadian, US and Colombian flags on the initial screen as nationalities that can use it. Some agents recognize the change, others do not. That is my opinion.

I would just try to use the kiosks next time since it works with foreign passports from the US at least.

Hopefully that is the last post on this topic.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2932931]A friend of mine just left from MDE airport (international flight) this morning and he confirmed that there are no Biomig kiosks for extranjeros. He had to wait in line, speak to a Migracion Colombia agent, and get an exit stamp in his passport. It is only when leaving from BOG El Dorado airport that they have Biomig kiosks for us.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2933208]When I left last week, there was a fairly long line with only two agents. I think they would have been directing people to use the kiosks if that was an option. A few Latinos used them, so they were operational.[/QUOTE]I left Medellin this Thursday 7/25/24 and my situation was exactly as Fun Luvr said. There was a HUGE line at 7 am with ONLY two agents and the only people using BioMig were Colombians as that line specifically said for Colombians only. There was a sign that said to enroll in BioMig to make it easy but upon entering that website the first statement that appears is Solo Para Colombianos.

I have only used BioMig once in Colombia and that was in El Dorado Bogota on Dec 31,2023 when the lines were so long that agents told EVERYONE to use BioMig to alleviate the pressure of continuous missed flights due to delays.

[QUOTE=Hickup1;2933121]I see we got a real connoisseur here! I've messaged Vane probably 30 times in the past two years trying to get an appointment through text and no such luck. Her telegram channels always get me bone hard whenever I open them. She definitely is popular with the Medellin locals too. That Poblado building has some of the best of the best imo in Medellin. Another blonde favorite of mine in that building is Dulce and also Dafpne who's got a great body. They're both flacas and offer great services. If you can get a hold of Mia out of Laureles near La 70, she is one of the few in Medellin that I repeat and am a regular on a name basis. Hard to get a hold of, but she has a rockin' body and service that will not disappoint. Like you said, getting a hold of these top rated local favorites is like a 1 in 1000 odds for the day and like playing crapshoot.[/QUOTE]Greetings!

Could you share the Instagram or Facebook of these girls? I don't know them.

The level of stubborness mixed with a healthy dose of ego on this board is staggering. Forgive me for belaboring the BioMig point. But why do so many insist that their own personal experience makes them the expert on seemingly everything? As though it's invonceivable that if I didn't get pushed to the BioMig line, it never happens. Ever. Smh We see it in rating a woman's appearance. Her skills. Her pricing. How many times have I been told I can't get a girl from Gustos for under $200 USD? Hahaha I've been mongering long enough to know and understand rule number 1. YMMV. That goes for virtually any experience in life.

This board is best when sharing experiences. Not when we make definitive statements as though we are omniscient.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2933036]He and others argue that there are different strata for hookers, if that's true, then there is this to explain.

How some mongers are overcharged, different stratas for mongers.

[URL]https://www.wbez.org/race-out-loud/2012/08/29/asian-american-men-less-likely-to-date-interacially[/URL]

I myself thinks there are different strata for hookers, they are as follows.

Doable vs undoable not even at the barrel of a gun (probably 90-95% fall into the later category).

The other strata is pleasers vs scammers.

IME the higher the price a hooker charges the more mercenary she is and the less of a pleaser she is.

In closing, market price is eventually determined by what the outliers pay (are overcharged).[/QUOTE]Geez. Less risk, reliability, credibility and up front pricing. Not like buying a used car. Although kicking the tires in person you can still have that (FFRUSTRATING) EXPEIENCE. [URL]https://lacelestina.co/[/URL].

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2933036]In closing, market price is eventually determined by what the outliers pay (are overcharged).[/QUOTE]With all due respect, you cannot state this with certainly. Even if it is just your opinion it is dead wrong. First you do not know what the outliers pay. Second if you think that then your thoughts run counter to how every other efficient market works in the world.

Market prices are discovered. Buyers and sellers come to together and negotiate on prices. It is through those negotiations and deals that are actually closed that market price is determined. Problem is, pussy prices are not entered into the order book and then tracked as each deal is made.

But if you can imagine that they are their is the indicator called Volume Price Visual Range. That is a look the amount of volume at different price points at in a particular market. As those who are familiar with basic statistics this indicator usually shows you visual on a chart the volume at different price points and it looks like a standard bell curve. That mean the price were most buyers and sellers are willing to do business is at the top of the bell curve.

Now I can image (but I cannot prove) that pussy prices the world over look like that. There will always be deals that or outliers both high and low, but over all the prices will be in the middle of those ranges.

Here is the problem: I say Pussy is Pussy when it comes to hiring prostitutes. That is because I stay focused on the deal not the girl. I am not saying I am right. But I am constantly accused of being a lesser person because I pay lower prices. As if the driver of a Kia is a lesser driver than one who owns a BMW. They are both drivers as both punters who pay both high prices and low prices are.

In my opinion, it is not how much you pay. I am only interested in the amount and the services you get for it. I pay low prices as I am satisfied with basic services. If I want GFE I have real girlfriends for that. If you are doing a threesome and you are pulling out of one girls ass and going into the other girls mouth, yeah you might be paying more than I do for those prostitutes than I pay for mine.

For the record: please note I am posting this while I am in Pattaya. Am I allowed to do that?

Landed just after midnight, got to the hotel in Poblado at around 1:45 am, quick cleanup, went to Calle 10 and did the tour with an Águila in my hand at 2 am.

Around 3 am after interviewing several potential candidates, went with Valentina, light skinned morena with spectacular frizzy hair and pretty eyes.

Said she was 19, which seems right. Body was spectacular. Tits just the best you could ask for.

No bare anything, but she put in extra effort and gave me the full hour. I gave her $200 k. Well worth it for the experience.

Later I went with Stefania, similar style to Valentina, but a recent mother with a 9 month old, so lots of complaining about not squeezing or sucking her tits too hard. Also $200 k.

Both gave good oral, Valentina was better, and much, much better sex. Lots of great eye contact and moaning. Like I said before, I don't care if they're acting, I just want them to be good actresses!

Lots and lots of gringos. Holy crap! I heard more English than Spanish on several occasions on Calle 10 and Parque Lleras!

New to the forum and mongering, plan on going to medellin in September I have been reading up the information on the board and searching some threads. The forum has a lot of information and I used it to book the trip and looking forward to it. I still have some questions and if someone will be kind enough to answer.

Little context and information on the trip and myself, I am older gentelmen in mid fifties and this will be my first time there, also I know very little spanish.

I plan on hanging around the tourist areas of el poblado, I prefer to look at what I am getting and not be surprised so will be most probably be going to el parque area for getting action.

1. Whats the best place for getting chicas for daytime action I prefer to have them back in my room.

2. What are some places to get short term daytime rental around poblado area since my hotel only allows one guest allowance which I plan to use for night time action?

3. Will be visiting the strip clubs to get the expeirence or get the numbers for the day time action. Is it ok to hang around the clubs and don't take a chica back and get there numbers or is it frowned upon by etablishments?

4. What is the best time to go to parque illereas for best selection and quantity are there more girls there ealry around 8 pm or late night lets say 11 or Midnight?

5. What are the best resources to learn some conversational spanish fast apart from duolingo?

6. There are lots of referneces to Instagram and facebook girls here but I haven't been able to find a solid guide on that is there a link or guide on this free or paid?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Hickup1;2933121]I see we got a real connoisseur here! I've messaged Vane probably 30 times in the past two years trying to get an appointment through text and no such luck. Her telegram channels always get me bone hard whenever I open them. She definitely is popular with the Medellin locals too. That Poblado building has some of the best of the best imo in Medellin. Another blonde favorite of mine in that building is Dulce and also Dafpne who's got a great body. They're both flacas and offer great services. If you can get a hold of Mia out of Laureles near La 70, she is one of the few in Medellin that I repeat and am a regular on a name basis. Hard to get a hold of, but she has a rockin' body and service that will not disappoint. Like you said, getting a hold of these top rated local favorites is like a 1 in 1000 odds for the day and like playing crapshoot.[/QUOTE]Yeah it I've had dulce before but she is at that OTHER Pilar.

Building in poblado. Her face is a bit aged but still good for flask.

Getting vane is basically timing, just message her before she starts getting her WhatsApp like I said.

Around 8:55-9:30 . Middle of the week also helps, ignore her telegram and to be honest. She is good but I'm sure there are better. She is like a touristy resturant that gets.

Hyped up in TikTok, the thrill is getting the reservation, not the meal. But still fun. Good luck!

Lots of girls in the park yesterday afternoon, so I chose another light skinned girl, this time with braids. First we got some micheladas, then to my room. Based on how flirtatious she was, I had high expectations! They were met and exceeded!

Goes on by Andrea, from Barranquilla. Interesting accent. Has a 4 year old daughter, but no baby damage. Tits are the hanger type, great nipples and she loves getting them sucked! Lots of moaning, absolutely fantastic cowgirl grinding. Reverse was even better because she has a tattoo on her ass: Yes Daddy with a flame behind Daddy. Great stuff.

$200 k again, Torre Poblado did not charge me a guest fee for her. Bareback oral and sex, close to 2 hours total, well worth it.

Later we go back to the same place where we had our beers and we got more drinks, some food and her pretty black friend joined us. Later I took the black girl to my room, she stayed the night. 2 full bareback sessions, 10 hours at my hotel. Gave her $400 k. Not as great sex as her friend but she was so fucking sexy, I just had to try her. Re-Learned my lesson. The more flirtatious and sex shit talkers they are, generally the better performance. Not a washout by any means, but could have been better if it was her friend's level of performance.

[QUOTE=Nomars777;2933462]Landed just after midnight, got to the hotel in Poblado at around 1:45 am, quick cleanup, went to Calle 10 and did the tour with an guila in my hand at 2 am.

Around 3 am after interviewing several potential candidates, went with Valentina, light skinned morena with spectacular frizzy hair and pretty eyes.

Said she was 19, which seems right. Body was spectacular. Tits just the best you could ask for.

No bare anything, but she put in extra effort and gave me the full hour. I gave her $200 k. Well worth it for the experience.

Later I went with Stefania, similar style to Valentina, but a recent mother with a 9 month old, so lots of complaining about not squeezing or sucking her tits too hard. Also $200 k.

Both gave good oral, Valentina was better, and much, much better sex. Lots of great eye contact and moaning. Like I said before, I don't care if they're acting, I just want them to be good actresses!

Lots and lots of gringos. Holy crap! I heard more English than Spanish on several occasions on Calle 10 and Parque Lleras![/QUOTE]Thanks for the report just curious if you speak spanish pretty well?

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2931382]let me describe my experience returning to the United States. There have been a lot of horror stories about guy's cellphones being searched and being asked a lot of questions when they return.[/QUOTE]Your worries are over. This is one hour old. Just came across my desk.

"Customs agents need a warrant to search your phone now / A federal judge ruled that warrantless phone searches at ports of entry violate the Fourth Amendment. ".

[URL]https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/29/24209130/customs-border-protection-unlock-phone-warrant-new-york-jfk[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2933727]Your worries are over. This is one hour old. Just came across my desk.

"Customs agents need a warrant to search your phone now / A federal judge ruled that warrantless phone searches at ports of entry violate the Fourth Amendment. ".

[URL]https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/29/24209130/customs-border-protection-unlock-phone-warrant-new-york-jfk[/URL][/QUOTE]Last sentence in the first paragraph: "it only applies to New York's Eastern District".

[QUOTE=QueChimba;2933487]New to the forum and mongering, plan on going to medellin in September I have been reading up the information on the board and searching some threads. The forum has a lot of information and I used it to book the trip and looking forward to it. I still have some questions and if someone will be kind enough to answer. Little context and information on the trip and myself, I am older gentelmen in mid fifties and this will be my first time there, also I know very little spanish.[/QUOTE]Hey grandpa, I'm a younger guy in my mid-fifties. Ha ha.

1. Best place for daytime action is WhatsApp. I. E. Get girls numbers and arrange daytime. Otherwise visit CASAS or massage places (where you can easily also get numbers).

2. There are some hourly love hotels outside of Poblado (cab ride), but easier to get an AirBnb or hotel that allows unlimited visitors. Cancel and rebook. If unsure, stay your first visit at The Mansion / Hotel M and while not the fanciest rooms, you will be with a friendly monger crowd.

3. Strip club is good for a visit experience; not sure those are the girl $ I'd get numbers for daytime action. In person, buy a drink. Chat a bit. Get a number, that's a lot easier.

4. Best time to hit Park Lleras, from sundown to bar closings.

5. There are several Spanish speaking schools in Manila, if staying longer than a week, they can work quite well. Girls are all used to Google Translate though.

6. How to find Facebook or Instagram girls: way too much good guidance here in older posts, can't really reduce it to one line.

If this is your first visit, plan on hitting the bar at the Mansion / Hotel M one night or two. Great place to get numbers without street hustle.

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2933940]Hey grandpa, I'm a younger guy in my mid-fifties. Ha ha.

1. Best place for daytime action is WhatsApp. I. E. Get girls numbers and arrange daytime. Otherwise visit CASAS or massage places (where you can easily also get numbers).

2. There are some hourly love hotels outside of Poblado (cab ride), but easier to get an AirBnb or hotel that allows unlimited visitors. Cancel and rebook. If unsure, stay your first visit at The Mansion / Hotel M and while not the fanciest rooms, you will be with a friendly monger crowd.

3. Strip club is good for a visit experience; not sure those are the girl $ I'd get numbers for daytime action. In person, buy a drink. Chat a bit. Get a number, that's a lot easier.

4. Best time to hit Park Lleras, from sundown to bar closings.

5. There are several Spanish speaking schools in Manila, if staying longer than a week, they can work quite well. Girls are all used to Google Translate though.

6. How to find Facebook or Instagram girls: way too much good guidance here in older posts, can't really reduce it to one line.

If this is your first visit, plan on hitting the bar at the Mansion / Hotel M one night or two. Great place to get numbers without street hustle.[/QUOTE]Haha thanks for making me feel young and thanks for responding to my questions much appreciated.

I'm thinking to get personal Hotspot so I can remotely without having to worry about hotel wifi quality. Anyone got a 5 g mobile Hotspot experience that they can share?

I'm down to the last week of a 16 Week trip to Medellin Fucking Colombia and Oh what a trip it's been!

Started out as a 2 week breather and then it was decided I needed a longer breather.

I was here last year for 9-10 weeks and 2 weeks back in 2019, so I know the lay of the land so to speak.

My Spanish is fairly fluent having lived and worked in Latin America 15+ years of my 65 trips around the sun so no problems communicating.

Prior to my arrival I'd contacted a personal trainer I used last year (Great Guy) and setup a workout routine to try and get my old ass back into some sort of Fucking shape.

Started at about 225 lbs at 6"2 I'm down to 197 lbs and have gained a lot of muscle and am walking taller ((he and I work out at the AirBnb's gym).

I also contacted several of the Chicas who had arranged a decent welcome back party at the bad ass AirBnb I'd rented, Wine Women and Song so to speak.

They had brought a new gal and she got the DrHosem treatment of Fuck suck and a big load of cum on her face as her friends held cameras, that weren't on tripods, as she got her facial.

That was the start of the 16 weeks and same theme has has continued on, I get about 6-10 nuts a week with most of them landing on a 18-23 year old colombianas face, a few on tits and some left in their tight little cunts. They all get dressed up in **** wear with High-heels being a prerequisite.

Tons of videos and photos and the Chicas are all ready to entertain others. I'll upload some later if requested (Very small file limits here, Options?

I go out and eat 2 X a week.

Eat fairly healthily in the Aparment, when I don't cave into ordering Pizza or?? Whatever for the Sluts (Term of Endearment IMO).

I use UBER to shuttle them and Rappi to order groceries and Restaurants.

[QUOTE=Yuvaraj;2934018]I'm thinking to get personal Hotspot so I can remotely without having to worry about hotel wifi quality. Anyone got a 5 g mobile Hotspot experience that they can share?[/QUOTE]I pay a relatively small fee to Verizon and can use my Cell in Colombia, voice and data are included. Think it covers various countries.

Even if I didn't use the data the calls I get from the USA that I have to answer would cost more than the fee.

I also have a burner that I use, TIGO.

Yeah, I speak decent Spanish. Or at least that's what everyone tells me. I think it's more than good enough to get around and it's a must have in my opinion to have better experiences with the girls.

With Spanish, you can flirt with them, be funny, etc and it improves the overall experience many times over.

Google translate works, obviously, but it reduces the whole interaction to a sales transaction and less a human to human interaction.

My opinion, obviously, others may feel differently, but I my experience Spanish has been very beneficial.

Take your time, take Duolingo or Babbel, go to local Spanish meetup groups and practice. You'll be much better off than not speaking any.

[QUOTE=QueChimba;2933723]Thanks for the report just curious if you speak spanish pretty well?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrHosem;2934109]I'm down to the last week of a 16 Week trip to Medellin Fucking Colombia and Oh what a trip it's been!....[/QUOTE]Where do you find your chicas and how much you give them?

[QUOTE=Yuvaraj;2934018]I'm thinking to get personal Hotspot so I can remotely without having to worry about hotel wifi quality. Anyone got a 5 g mobile Hotspot experience that they can share?[/QUOTE]You can just check your current cell provider to extend their hotspot coverage. 5 g coverage in Medellin is sketchy, so most of it will be 4 g. If your phone support eSim, you can add one of the many eSim's available as a 2nd data line for extra data.

[QUOTE=Yuvaraj;2934018]I'm thinking to get personal Hotspot so I can remotely without having to worry about hotel wifi quality. Anyone got a 5 g mobile Hotspot experience that they can share?[/QUOTE]Your best bet is having a phone with google fi cell service on it.

Here is a small selection of Hosems-Hoes (As mentioned I like videoing and taking fotos, all the gals have agreed to and signed releases and they know before they show up that they are going to get dressed up in ****-wear, and at a mimimum, do a BBBJ COHF scene. Most of them love it and come back numerous times.

No Cum dodgers allowed, if they do then I don't call them back, and when they call me, I tell them why and will usually give them a second chance to be a real cum-guzzling pornstar.

[QUOTE=DrHosem;2934109]I'm down to the last week of a 16 Week trip to Medellin Fucking Colombia and Oh what a trip it's been!

Started out as a 2 week breather and then it was decided I needed a longer breather.

I was here last year for 9-10 weeks and 2 weeks back in 2019, so I know the lay of the land so to speak.

My Spanish is fairly fluent having lived and worked in Latin America 15+ years of my 65 trips around the sun so no problems communicating.

Prior to my arrival I'd contacted a personal trainer I used last year (Great Guy) and setup a workout routine to try and get my old ass back into some sort of Fucking shape.

Started at about 225 lbs at 6"2 I'm down to 197 lbs and have gained a lot of muscle and am walking taller ((he and I work out at the AirBnb's gym).

I also contacted several of the Chicas who had arranged a decent welcome back party at the bad ass AirBnb I'd rented, Wine Women and Song so to speak.

They had brought a new gal and she got the DrHosem treatment of Fuck suck and a big load of cum on her face as her friends held cameras, that weren't on tripods, as she got her facial.

That was the start of the 16 weeks and same theme has has continued on, I get about 6-10 nuts a week with most of them landing on a 18-23 year old colombianas face, a few on tits and some left in their tight little cunts. They all get dressed up in **** wear with High-heels being a prerequisite.

Tons of videos and photos and the Chicas are all ready to entertain others. I'll upload some later if requested (Very small file limits here, Options?

I go out and eat 2 X a week.

Eat fairly healthily in the Aparment, when I don't cave into ordering Pizza or?? Whatever for the Sluts (Term of Endearment IMO).

I use UBER to shuttle them and Rappi to order groceries and Restaurants.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrHosem;2934185]Here is a small selection of Hosems-Hoes (As mentioned I like videoing and taking fotos, all the gals have agreed to and signed releases and they know before they show up that they are going to get dressed up in ****-wear, and at a mimimum, do a BBBJ COHF scene. Most of them love it and come back numerous times.

No Cum dodgers allowed, if they do then I don't call them back, and when they call me, I tell them why and will usually give them a second chance to be a real cum-guzzling pornstar.[/QUOTE]Your photos resemble MaxHardcore aka Paul Little.

I run a sexcation agency, which includes Medellin.

I've noticed for the past year, more and more "girl-friendly" hotels are charging to bring in girls. And those that were charging before have doubled their prices. Now my GF hotels list is crap!

Hampton is now charging 150 k.

A client just told me he was charged 200 k at Art Hotel! (it was one of my top 5 GF hotels).

Seems all hotels in Poblado are charging, and some of my clients don't want to stay in El Centro.

What hotels are still girl-friendly?

Provenza lofts and Viktory Boutique are both Girl friendly. Nice hotels and great value actually. Many rooms have Jacuzzis and one with private pool. I reported on them a few times. Haven rooftop breakfast included for Provenza lofts and I think breakfast is included if you rent Viktory pool suite.

[QUOTE=Rewsna;2934450]I run a sexcation agency, which includes Medellin.

I've noticed for the past year, more and more "girl-friendly" hotels are charging to bring in girls. And those that were charging before have doubled their prices. Now my GF hotels list is crap!

Hampton is now charging 150 k.

A client just told me he was charged 200 k at Art Hotel! (it was one of my top 5 GF hotels).

Seems all hotels in Poblado are charging, and some of my clients don't want to stay in El Centro.

What hotels are still girl-friendly?[/QUOTE]

Very nice post man. Awesome photos. You did not have share but you did. Thank you.

BTW, great reminder about the personal trainer. I keep forgetting to look for one.

[QUOTE=DrHosem;2934185]Here is a small selection of Hosems-Hoes (As mentioned I like videoing and taking fotos, all the gals have agreed to and signed releases and they know before they show up that they are going to get dressed up in ****-wear, and at a mimimum, do a BBBJ COHF scene. Most of them love it and come back numerous times.

No Cum dodgers allowed, if they do then I don't call them back, and when they call me, I tell them why and will usually give them a second chance to be a real cum-guzzling pornstar.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DiscoverFL;2933934]Last sentence in the first paragraph: "it only applies to New York's Eastern District".[/QUOTE]


It is not a warrantless search. Customs conducts "inspections" for contraband items.

That has always been the legal basis for inspections. They don't need probable cause or a warrant. If they had infinite time and resources, they could search every bag coming out of every plane at every international port of entry.

They can inspect your bags for drugs, or contaminated fruit, your wallet for more than $10,000 in undeclared money, or your laptop or phone for (censored) images or the top secret blueprints for the X-35 thermonuclear annihilator.

So I'm writing this shortly after all the cop cars left. Apparently across the street in my apartment in Medellin an older gentleman was arrested for being with a minor. It's not only story I've heard lately but haven't been seeing these stories pop up on the news lately. My guess is they don't want the bad press. Careful guys, if a young girl is pressuring you just before you block her ask her if she'll serve time with you in prison. The thought of rotting away in a Colombian prison is probably the most horrifying thing I can think of. No way.

[QUOTE=Hobo3;2935054]So I'm writing this shortly after all the cop cars left. Apparently across the street in my apartment in Medellin an older gentleman was arrested for being with a minor. It's not only story I've heard lately but haven't been seeing these stories pop up on the news lately. [/QUOTE]I can confirm that arrests are being made almost daily. Make sure to check all IDs of the girls you are with. I can also confirm that they are still setting up stings in Lleras. I know someone who got expulsed recently for solliciting a girl in Lleras (not underage). There was an australian who made the news a few months back for the same thing but they don't seem to be publishing recent cases.

If you go to MDE the current advice I would give is to go to casas or find girls online and double check their ID when you meet them.

Don't do illegal shit and you will be less likely to get locked up. Your current advice is also past and future advice. If you want to show up on youtube identified as a passport bro or sex tourist, hanging around Parque Lleras is a good way to make it happen.

[QUOTE=GuiGui123;2935121]I can confirm that arrests are being made almost daily. Make sure to check all IDs of the girls you are with. I can also confirm that they are still setting up stings in Lleras. I know someone who got expulsed recently for solliciting a girl in Lleras (not underage). There was an australian who made the news a few months back for the same thing but they don't seem to be publishing recent cases.

If you go to MDE the current advice I would give is to go to casas or find girls online and double check their ID when you meet them.[/QUOTE]

This is great. How much does this cost you?

[QUOTE=DrHosem;2934185]Here is a small selection of Hosems-Hoes (As mentioned I like videoing and taking fotos, all the gals have agreed to and signed releases and they know before they show up that they are going to get dressed up in ****-wear, and at a mimimum, do a BBBJ COHF scene. Most of them love it and come back numerous times..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2934530]Provenza lofts and Viktory Boutique are both Girl friendly. Nice hotels and great value actually. Many rooms have Jacuzzis and one with private pool. I reported on them a few times. Haven rooftop breakfast included for Provenza lofts and I think breakfast is included if you rent Viktory pool suite.[/QUOTE]Do they charge anything for your guest chicas? What's the process there? I stayed at plaza poblado and I had to pay with a card to let my chica come up with me, I think it was 150,000 COP each time. AndI had to wait and sign the receipt. No billing to the room. You have to settle up then and there.

Really annoying and can kind of be awkward because you're not meeting the chica yet, you're playing cashier while she waits on you to finish.

Thanks for the report but these girl type are really not my taste. I guess I'm just stuck paying gringo prices (I still negotiate) at gusto if I don't have time to do a gold mine hunt.

[QUOTE=DrHosem;2934185]Here is a small selection of Hosems-Hoes (As mentioned I like videoing and taking fotos, all the gals have agreed to and signed releases and they know before they show up that they are going to get dressed up in ****-wear, and at a mimimum, do a BBBJ COHF scene. Most of them love it and come back numerous times.

No Cum dodgers allowed, if they do then I don't call them back, and when they call me, I tell them why and will usually give them a second chance to be a real cum-guzzling pornstar.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2935450]Thanks for the report but these girl type are really not my taste. I guess I'm just stuck paying gringo prices (I still negotiate) at gusto if I don't have time to do a gold mine hunt.[/QUOTE]It's not just you. I don't find the girls he showed attractive at all but everybody has their taste and there is all types of girls in Colombia.

[QUOTE=GuiGui123;2935506]It's not just you. I don't find the girls he showed attractive at all but everybody has their taste and there is all types of girls in Colombia.[/QUOTE]I agree with you except for the one doing her hair, with her boobs showing. Nice boobs and no visible tattoos.

[QUOTE=DrHosem;2934185]Here is a small selection of Hosems-Hoes (As mentioned I like videoing and taking fotos, all the gals have agreed to and signed releases and they know before they show up that they are going to get dressed up in ****-wear, and at a mimimum, do a BBBJ COHF scene. Most of them love it and come back numerous times.

No Cum dodgers allowed, if they do then I don't call them back, and when they call me, I tell them why and will usually give them a second chance to be a real cum-guzzling pornstar.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the photos. I have only one thing to say to the critics - "Post pics of girls you have banged and then I'll take you seriously". Chances are they are not able to post pics of hotter or even girls of similar hotness.

[QUOTE=GeorgeCarta22;2935450]Thanks for the report but these girl type are really not my taste. [/QUOTE]This is his taste. If you enjoy any of these then you actually have similar tastes. I think you prefer better looking girls which just mean you have narrower taste with less selection.

[QUOTE=DrHosem;2934185] show up that they are going to get dressed up in ****-wear, and at a mimimum, do a BBBJ COHF scene. Most of them love it and come back numerous times.

No Cum dodgers allowed[/QUOTE]

Obviously there are a lot of guys here that spend a lot of time in MDE, if not live there. I have been going 4-5 times per year for a long weekend for the past 5 or 6 years. Before that I was a regular in San Jose, Costa Rica. I still go there for dental work. Does anyone have recommendations for good dental clinics in MDE that does general dentistry and cosmetic dentistry such as implants, crowns, etc? Would prefer to do in MDE and SJO has long passed its prime in our activities of choice.

Thanks and happy hunting.

Snook.

[QUOTE=GuiGui123;2935506]It's not just you. I don't find the girls he showed attractive at all.[/QUOTE]The thing is, he is NOT having sex with them to please YOU! He is doing it for his own pleasure. Just further evidence that 1-10 scale is total bollox.

[QUOTE=GuiGui123;2935121]

If you go to MDE the current advice I would give is to go to casas or find girls online and double check their ID when you meet them.[/QUOTE]'underage' girls could use fake / friends' IDs, so what is your great idea then? I know a place where you can have an ID card made up for COP 50,000. If stupid me can do it in a few minutes, how easy it would be for more cunning minds?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2935596]The thing is, he is NOT having sex with them to please YOU! He is doing it for his own pleasure. Just further evidence that 1-10 scale is total bollox.[/QUOTE]I see you have no reading comprehension, I clearly state that everybody has their taste. Talk about getting on your high horse for nothing.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2935597]'underage' girls could use fake / friends' IDs, so what is your great idea then? I know a place where you can have an ID card made up for COP 50,000. If stupid me can do it in a few minutes, how easy it would be for more cunning minds?[/QUOTE]So what? There is no risk free mongering. It is all about lowering your risk not eliminating it otherwise just stay home. Checking IDs significantly lowers your risk even if fake IDs are a possibility.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2935596] Just further evidence that 1-10 scale is total bollox.[/QUOTE]Facial beautiy is arguementative for sure but not so much body type. 1-10 rating for body type is not BS.

There is a body type most men (and women) prefer. Thinner hour glass body with big boobs. That should generally be used as the basis of most 1 to 10 grading systems.

Stand outside a church and ask the people leaving church if they are religious. Fake poll. Funny that every 10 years science has concluded that eggs, wine, coffee are good for you, then bad, then good. I do not care what polls were taken or what science says. Follow the money stupid!

Why were padded and push up bras made? Big boobs attract guys.

Search the top earning females of OnlyFans. See any itty bitty titties or fat or really skinny?

Search images "trophy wives".

Search images "Miss Universe bikini". Not huge boobs because women would say sexist men blah blah blah. Not small because then guys would not watch.

Search images "Maxim magazine covers" or "Playboy magazine covers". Sports Illustrated's highest selling magazine every year is the bikini issue with the same body type.

Comic books are universally sold to boys. Look at the bodies of all the women in those comics. If you do happen to find a super skinny, small boobs, or fat woman I am pretty sure she is the villain. Manga from Japan shows small boobs but most of those characters are girls rather than women.

Number one selling doll is who? Barbie! Unrealistic body but we can all dream. In fact, Barbie is #2 of the most sold toys ever. Second only to video games.

Top 10 Best-selling Toys of All Time (2023) ([URL]moneyinc.com[/URL]).

The #1 selling poster of all time is of Farrah Fawcett. Her swimsuit in that poster is now in the National Museum of American History of the Smithsonian Museum.

Do you know who Aitana Lopez from a modelling agency from Spain is? She has 124,000 followers on Instagram and makes roughly $11,000 USD per month. She is an AI created woman who does NOT exist! Obviously, that body type sells huh?

Women do not get breast reductions to look sexy. They do it for their health because it is a massive amount of weight which is horrible for their health. But women around the world do get breast implants to make them bigger. Why do you think they do that?

Do a generic images search of "sexy women". All the search engines have different algorithms and yet the same body type is found.

Lastly, look at the very ads at the top and sides of this very site. Some are images are of real women and some are cartoonish. Do you see a certain body type? Do you think the owners did any kind of research as to what type of female image they should use in order to get a guy to click onto their link?

Polls and "science" mean nothing. Where is the money spent?

I went to Zandaly late last week to spend a bit of time with a favorite friend. She was returning from an "All Hands" meeting of the workers. Seems that the clients are getting pretty rough with the girls recently, and this is going to come to a halt. First, try to rough up a lady, you will get yourself thrown out. Second you will be banned in all the major venues. Finally, if you are really out of order, you might get to spend a night as a guest of the Alcalde of Medellin.

Just a word, I am sure that none of us are like this.

Sandy.

[QUOTE=Snook;2935535]Obviously there are a lot of guys here that spend a lot of time in MDE, if not live there. I have been going 4-5 times per year for a long weekend for the past 5 or 6 years. Before that I was a regular in San Jose, Costa Rica. I still go there for dental work. Does anyone have recommendations for good dental clinics in MDE that does general dentistry and cosmetic dentistry such as implants, crowns, etc? Would prefer to do in MDE and SJO has long passed its prime in our activities of choice.

Thanks and happy hunting.

Snook.[/QUOTE]Consider going to Bogotá-- This guy is a Proffessor of implantology and has a clinic -- I had a few implants and a root canal-- All Good.

[URL]https://www.nexdu.com/co/bogota-dc-dc/empresa/dr-camilo-novoa-bolivar-coe-483260[/URL]#telefonos-why-direccion.

Also Plenty of hot girls here.

[QUOTE=CowboyCheeba;2935446]Do they charge anything for your guest chicas? What's the process there? I stayed at plaza poblado and I had to pay with a card to let my chica come up with me, I think it was 150,000 COP each time. AndI had to wait and sign the receipt. No billing to the room. You have to settle up then and there.

Really annoying and can kind of be awkward because you're not meeting the chica yet, you're playing cashier while she waits on you to finish.[/QUOTE]No they don't charge anything, as long as you don't exceed the room capacity at any given moment. Which makes sense, as one can't be expected to rent one room and invite four people at the same time.

Hey based on some YouTube videos I saw is Glow and Black Diamond (bottom floor) closed?

Thought it was called Sky park 40 recently on the bottom floor and Glow adjacent.

[QUOTE=GuiGui123;2935607]

So what? There is no risk free mongering. It is all about lowering your risk not eliminating it. Checking IDs significantly lowers your risk even if fake IDs are a possibility.[/QUOTE]Given that an 'underrage' girl will have a fake / false ID, how does checking her ID significantly reduce any risk? The ID will state he / she / they are of legal age. I just think it is worthless advice since the police don't care if you checked the ID either.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2935611]Facial beautiy is arguementative for sure but not so much body type. 1-10 rating for body type is not BS.

There is a body type most men (and women) prefer. Thinner hour glass body with big boobs. That should generally be used as the basis of most 1 to 10 grading systems.

Search the top earning females of OnlyFans. See any itty bitty titties or fat or really skinny?

Search images "trophy wives".

Search images "Miss Universe bikini".

Search images "Maxim magazine covers" or "Playboy magazine covers".
[/QUOTE]Sorry but I think you are talking for yourself and your 'grouping'. You are referencing media and companies that market and target a particular demographic, they are far from universals. I know plenty of folks that prefer a large arse over big boobs, and plenty that prefer chunkier ladies than thinner ones.

Need more info on your sexcation agency. Colombia is in my list.

[QUOTE=Rewsna;2934450]I run a sexcation agency, which includes Medellin.

I've noticed for the past year, more and more "girl-friendly" hotels are charging to bring in girls. And those that were charging before have doubled their prices. Now my GF hotels list is crap!

Hampton is now charging 150 k.

A client just told me he was charged 200 k at Art Hotel! (it was one of my top 5 GF hotels).

Seems all hotels in Poblado are charging, and some of my clients don't want to stay in El Centro.

What hotels are still girl-friendly?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2935706]Given that an 'underrage' girl will have a fake / false ID[/QUOTE]This is just false. Not all underage girls will have fake IDs so yes checking IDs does reduce your risk even if it does not eliminate it.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2935708]Sorry but I think you are talking for yourself and your 'grouping'. You are referencing media and companies that market and target a particular demographic, they are far from universals. I know plenty of folks that prefer a large arse over big boobs, and plenty that prefer chunkier ladies than thinner ones.[/QUOTE]Yes, the main target market are males. I gave many examples of how thin women with big boobs sell products, and even to girls. Please impress me with some examples of products that target males using fat women, women with small boobs, fat ass women. They do not exist because there are not enough men into those body types that can actually sell merchandise. Please show me a fat ass, small boobs, or simply fat beauty pageant, magazine, etc. Show me an AI model making money. I did. Can you?

Across the street from the Hotel Dorado la 70 es Sonria Dental. I had dental work done there 4 years ago. I had tooth 5 extractions, 5 implants and 4 crowns put it. I paid close to 4 K US dollars. In NYC, I was quoted 22 K. I go for checkups there every six months. No issues.

[QUOTE=Snook;2935535]Obviously there are a lot of guys here that spend a lot of time in MDE, if not live there. I have been going 4-5 times per year for a long weekend for the past 5 or 6 years. Before that I was a regular in San Jose, Costa Rica. I still go there for dental work. Does anyone have recommendations for good dental clinics in MDE that does general dentistry and cosmetic dentistry such as implants, crowns, etc? Would prefer to do in MDE and SJO has long passed its prime in our activities of choice.

Thanks and happy hunting.

Snook.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2935826]Across the street from the Hotel Dorado la 70 es Sonria Dental. I had dental work done there 4 years ago. I had tooth 5 extractions, 5 implants and 4 crowns put it. I paid close to 4 K US dollars. In NYC, I was quoted 22 K. I go for checkups there every six months. No issues.[/QUOTE]I just had 5 extractions,6 implants and 13 crowns for $5000. Usd but not in Medellin, in Manizales.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2935525]Thanks for the photos. I have only one thing to say to the critics - "Post pics of girls you have banged and then I'll take you seriously". Chances are they are not able to post pics of hotter or even girls of similar hotness.[/QUOTE]I agree with this statement completely. Also, most sessions happen in rooms with shit lighting and it is hard to judge the looks in these armature photos.

[QUOTE=Snook;2935535]Obviously there are a lot of guys here that spend a lot of time in MDE, if not live there. I have been going 4-5 times per year for a long weekend for the past 5 or 6 years. Before that I was a regular in San Jose, Costa Rica. I still go there for dental work. Does anyone have recommendations for good dental clinics in MDE that does general dentistry and cosmetic dentistry such as implants, crowns, etc? Would prefer to do in MDE and SJO has long passed its prime in our activities of choice.

Thanks and happy hunting.

Snook.[/QUOTE]I appreciate all of the input.

Snook.

[QUOTE=Sandymnn;2935620]I went to Zandaly late last week to spend a bit of time with a favorite friend. She was returning from an "All Hands" meeting of the workers. Seems that the clients are getting pretty rough with the girls recently, and this is going to come to a halt. First, try to rough up a lady, you will get yourself thrown out. Second you will be banned in all the major venues. Finally, if you are really out of order, you might get to spend a night as a guest of the Alcalde of Medellin.

Just a word, I am sure that none of us are like this..[/QUOTE]What does "rough" mean in this case?

It can be very different depending who you ask so it would be useful to know any example.

Some girls seems to believe that doggy style is to rough for them so it is not difficult to become the bad guy in that scenario.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2935982]What does "rough" mean in this case?

It can be very different depending who you ask so it would be useful to know any example.[/QUOTE]True. Because in Colombia they always say I close the car doors roughly. I just close them the same way I have always closed any other car doors around the world. But apparently to them I am doing something wrong.

To be completely fair, the regionally produced cars here (mostly from Brazil and Mexico and soon right here in Colombia) aren't street legal in Europe and North America because the doors don't have side impact protection. This is why the same effort you use to close a car door other places is too much here. It also makes the cars cheaper to manufacture and buy and it makes them more fuel efficient, but of course it also makes it a lot scarier if you get T-boned.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2936016]True. Because in Colombia they always say I close the car doors roughly. I just close them the same way I have always closed any other car doors around the world. But apparently to them I am doing something wrong.[/QUOTE]

Zandaly has some of the better service of any of the casas I've been to and I like it because they have thinner girls generally. I don't think I've ever had an out and out bad experience there. But there is a dark side that helps explain why. I've talked a bunch with a few of the girls and it's always been policy that they are fined if they refuse a client. I had one girl show me bruises on her arm from a previous guy that she just said she sucked up and put up with. Another girl told me about a guy who would fuck her for an hour straight in missionary but with her legs up around her ankles. Point is they were encouraged to put up with most things by the casa. I've had some great experiences at Zandaly by treating the girls I am with with consideration and respect. I know I've made a couple cum. There are some girls there with great skills. One of my favorites there has been doing her kegels and really knows how to milk and squeeze you with her pussy in vaginal. It feels like she's trying yo suck you back in every out stroke. It's talked about less but pampoir (I. E. Vaginal massage) is a top tier learned sex skill for me up there with anal and deepthroat.

[QUOTE=Sandymnn;2935620]I went to Zandaly late last week to spend a bit of time with a favorite friend. She was returning from an "All Hands" meeting of the workers. Seems that the clients are getting pretty rough with the girls recently, and this is going to come to a halt. First, try to rough up a lady, you will get yourself thrown out. Second you will be banned in all the major venues. Finally, if you are really out of order, you might get to spend a night as a guest of the Alcalde of Medellin.

Just a word, I am sure that none of us are like this.

Sandy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2935525]"Post pics of girls you have banged and then I'll take you seriously". Chances are they are not able to post pics of hotter or even girls of similar hotness.[/QUOTE]I agree. I would happily show any pictures off my phone in real. But.

1. I do not want to post pictures of her because I know I do not want my picture posted anywhere. Fair is fair.

2. I know there are many girls with Sponsors. If I post her picture someone might recognize her, tell his buddy, and she loses a sucker. I feel sorry for the girl and not the sucker Sponsor who has been warned endless times. We have all tried to save a buddy and he hated us for it and still F-ed up, so Hoes before Bros for me.

3. I have seen Facebook accounts of many girls from years past that appear as if they are doing very well and in serious relationships and would hate to be the one that F-ed that up for her. There was a girl I had several times on my first trip 7 years ago. I saw her walking Botero and another time walking Laureles on a double date with who was her older serious BF or possible husband. We both saw each other and quickly looked away.

4. Many guys can not post pix because they then learn that the teacher, lawyer, doctor they have been seeing is actually a Ho. Mr. E learned that last year when other guys posted they had been with the same woman.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2935752] I gave many examples of how thin women with big boobs sell products, and even to girls. Please impress me with some examples of products that target males using fat women, women with small boobs, fat ass women. Can you?[/QUOTE]You gave several examples, but all from the same demographic, which supports my point. Countries in which men prefer larger women. Many sub-Saharan countries, many Muslim countries, Pacific nations, some Caribbean countries. Some countries prefer pale women. Lots of Asian countries, many prefer tanned (Europe), many Asian countries prefer child-like appearance, many countries prefer skinny girls to curvy girls, including those in your own fashion industry.

I suggest you Google "beauty standards across the globe" - you will find countless articles on how preceptions of beauty vary across different cultures.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2936105]You gave several examples, but all from the same demographic, which supports my point. Countries in which men prefer larger women. Many sub-Saharan countries, many Muslim countries, Pacific nations, some Caribbean countries. Some countries prefer pale women. Lots of Asian countries, many prefer tanned (Europe), many Asian countries prefer child-like appearance, many countries prefer skinny girls to curvy girls, including those in your own fashion industry.

I suggest you Google "beauty standards across the globe" - you will find countless articles on how preceptions of beauty vary across different cultures.[/QUOTE]The point is the majority of men worldwide prefer thin Coke bottle shape with big boobs. The proof is money because that body type sells all kinds of stuff. Yes, guys like other types but they are the minority. Many guys in those countries of skinny or fat women do not have any choice and thus it appears that is what they prefer.

I was talking about body types and you try switching to skin color. Most men worldwide prefer a younger face to an older face looking woman. I am currently in Indonesia. The largest Muslim populated country in the world. All the brothels and spas are mostly full of the body type I am speaking of. Why do you think that is?

The USA fashion industry magazines and channels are geared towards women. Not men. Men do not go out and buy Cosmo, Elle, or Vogue. Go look at a man's magazine and those super thin flat chested women are not there.

Beauty standard articles are stupid. They are done by scientists and poll takers. But what their articles say magically does not show up in most product advertising because it does not sell which means it is a lie.

Please practice what you preach and go create a flat chested Barbie or a fat Barbie doll and make yourself millions because you are so right and currently you have no competition that I have seen at the stores.

What's up Medellin vets, anybody knows any spots for this? I know some hotels has rooftop pools, but most of them are only for guest staying in the hotel.

[QUOTE=ElSexoChino7;2936211]What's up Medellin vets, anybody knows any spots for this? I know some hotels has rooftop pools, but most of them are only for guest staying in the hotel.[/QUOTE]The only Hotel I know of with a pool where you can purchase a day pass for is at the Intercontinental Hotel on Las Palmas Avenue on the way to the tunnel. However it's not a rooftop pool but a very large outdoor Olympic Pool and you can pay for the day which includes the workout room, the saunas both wet and dry, and the Jacuzzi.

There are other options for swimming pools in Medellin thru the City Recreation Department with various locations around town as well, along with a few waterparks in town.

Additionally, outside of Medellin in San Geronimo just over an hour away you can purchase a day pass at various Hotels and use their pools as well.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2935846]I just had 5 extractions,6 implants and 13 crowns for $5000. Usd but not in Medellin, in Manizales.[/QUOTE]I sugest you check prices in Tijuana Mexico, it's also a monger destination and dental is very cheap compared to the US. Depending of what part of the US you are located in it may also be a shorter flight.

Alright, I just got back from Medellin and I wanted to give my thoughts and some advice for would-be travelers. This is going to be a long one, but I'm putting as much information as I can remember here. I was originally intending for my trip to be more focused on sampling various mongering options (facebook, centro, Lleras, etc.) but I found that it doesn't really make much sense. Most people have their preferred way of mongering and certain options are not feasible for shorter-term travelers. I don't like the online offering space in Medellin very much so I didn't use it this trip. There are highly reviewed escorts at good prices available but I prefer outcalls when traveling since I like longer date-like experiences so that leaves me with the facebook route which I didn't want to waste time with. Centro-diving is not feasible for a short-term traveler. Therefore, I decided to focus on Lleras and how to help mongers navigate that space, and hopefully, improve their experience. My last visit was in 2022 so I also wanted to see if things changed. Disclaimer, my sample size is only 10 women and maybe another 15 women I spoke to for a period of time but didn't pull the trigger on. So take all of my advice with a healthy dose of YMMV. Second disclaimer, I can understand Spanish fluently and speak at an intermediate level. This can totally change your experience, as I'll get into later.

[B]Location[/B]

I was staying in Energy Living because I like the hotel (even if it is a bit overpriced), some of the AirBnbs are fantastic, it's quiet-ish at night, it's girl-friendly, and it's still within walking distance of places like Poblado and Provenza so you can easily get to Lleras or the normie Colombian bars. I could go out to new places for a cheaper price, but I feel comfortable in this place so I find myself returning constantly. For those that haven't taken the plunge on this sort of trip, here is a bit of advice. Don't be embarrassed about bringing a working girl home. The guards and the receptionists aren't going to laugh. You'll see how normal the exchanges are with everyone and there is no need to try and slink around. Just walk up to the front desk, get your girl registered and enjoy the night. I always walk the ladies out at the end of the night to show the guards I'm okay but I think they may also call you before letting her leave (another plus). The walk to Lleras is super easy since it's about fifteen minutes downhill, while following Calle 10 so you don't have to make many turns. I did that every night I went down there. But on the way back, order an Uber because it's a major hike and your girl isn't going to want to do that.

[B]Solo Traveling[/B]

I don't have a friend group that partakes in this hobby so I do this stuff on my own. That means that I'm not going to waste much time shooting the shit when out and about. If I go to Lleras, Gusto, or even Centro, I don't really want to mill about doing nothing so I don't spend more than an hour before pulling the trigger. That can change your experience because if you have a group, you can just hit a bar or an outdoor sitting venue and relax for hours having fun, soaking in the environment and seeing the girls who are available, before making a choice. But honestly, you shouldn't need more than 10 minutes to make a choice if you're with friends or not. Scope out a girl you like, exchange pleasantries, tell her what you like, negotiate prices, and get home. It can be difficult to talk to one girl who is in a pack since you are just one guy, but you'll see that all of her friends will usually move aside and give you peace to close the deal with your chosen girl. If you're hitting on a pack of girls with your bros, the girls will generally stay since they are all trying to get a piece.

[B]Gringos[/B]

Sorry to say my American brothers, but as a group, we have a bit of a bad reputation. A lot of this comes from the fact that the party bros have really made us look bad. Finally living up the dream of MLK Jr, Black and white Americans have come together in the land of Eternal spring to be shitty patrons and loudmouth buffoons. We don't speak a lick of Spanish, we walk around paying in US dollars, and are over-drinking like local roughneck Colombians. Talking with the ladies, most of them first quoted me in dollars because most of the foreign guys they meet don't carry pesos and can't negotiate in Spanish. It's much easier for the girls to memorize "100 hundred" since it's easier for the guys to follow. So to my fellow mongers who were complaining about the girls being sharks for quoting in dollars, this may have been a problem of our own making. Honorable mention to Russians and Israelis who are also heavily disliked. Russians for over-drinking / violence and Israelis because of a supposed apartment complex in Centro that I won't go into because I couldn't verify it (but three separate girls on three separate nights told me about it so that was surprising). The advice I would give to my fellow Americans is to adopt a more [I]tranquilo[/I] attitude; be a bit more calm and less aggressively forward. It seems that the girls like that a bit more when it comes to that initial meeting. And don't worry, Latinas will always get more sensual and close as things heat up later.

[B]Lleras Girls[/B]

I've already written this in a previous post, but most of the girls you see milling about in Lleras are working. It's generally pretty easy to spot the non-working girls because they are there with their boyfriends or they are dressed a bit more conservatively and they are usually walking around as if they are sight-seeing as opposed to just standing. If you see a girl or a group of girls scantily dressed and standing around the park, they are definitely working. If you need even more information; Parque Lleras is a square and most of the working girls congregate in the park or the sidewalks around it. On the outside of the square are the bars and I found that less working girls were on those sidewalks. The vast majority of the girls are congregating on the sidewalk and some overhang things between Gusto and a bar called Glow (if you look at a map, it's Calle 9 a side).

I never had more than a ten minute conversation with a girl before I pulled the trigger. I mean, there is just not much to say. How are you? What's your name? How old are you? You look beautiful. I like x, why, z, can you do that? How much for a date? I think you can try to butter them up more but I'm not sure it really matters when you're picking up girls in the square because they generally aren't going to go hang out for a drink or anything. Others can correct me if I'm wrong because I've never tried that before. I find that buttering them up afterward is a much more promising strategy. Most every girl quoted me 100 USD for an hour and 200 USD por la noche. I say, "Pero, solamente tengo pesos" (But, I only have pesos) and they would switch to either 300 k or 400 k. I always do por la noche and I never paid more than 500-600 k after negotiating for a few minutes. If a girl gave me a straight offer of 600 k I never tried to push for more because I really don't care to haggle over 25 dollars especially because I would revalidate the services I wanted in exchange for letting go of the negotiation. If she pushed for 800 k, I would try to get her down to 600 k. Of course, there were usually some added costs like an Uber home, Rappi for some food if they wanted it, and another Uber home for the girl after finishing the deal. Some of those are optional, of course, but if you are a decent negotiator, you can generally budget for about 750 k for all costs. In return, this would get me 4-5 hours with the girl, 2-3 polvos (depending on my mood), and a really nice night with a fun new connection.

My favorite of the trip was a girl called Michelle. To me, she was a legit 9/10. Born in Venezuela but had lived in Bucaramanga, Colombia her whole life. 23 years old with porcelain white skin and no kids, deep brown eyes, dark black hair, and long eyelashes. Flaca frame but some nice curves. She was in her last year of university studying computer science (she was not faking as we had some deeper conversation around topics in that area) and was working to pay off her expenses. She was looking to get out of Colombia long-term to find a job since computer jobs are not super plentiful there and she felt that Colombia was not the right place to start a family. We had a great connection and I will say, my friends, I was getting that feeling of "saving" her which is always a good sign for me of a real connection. We had some great conversation and she was no slouch in bed with a lot of passion. She wasn't super experienced but she put in the work haha. But yeah, if you catch her in Lleras, treat that girl right. That girl really does deserve to get that happy ending LOL.

[B]Gusto[/B]

This place gets a bad rap from certain people on this forum, but I will just say this, even the touts who are pushing other bars will tell you that this place is the "premier" spot. In my view, it's worth an experience and I do think the quality of girls is pretty good. In my experience, most every girl was looking to get 300 USD from the outset. I was generally able to negotiate girls to about 800-900 k por la noche though some were firm at 1-1. 2 million. I didn't feel that less than 700 k would be on the table since it seemed the girls were marketing themselves a bit higher than the Lleras girls. I do feel that the quality of the girls was pretty high in terms of looks and there were always at least 3-4 girls that I would consider "instantly doable".

The big negative of the joint for me is that the place doesn't really get popping until 11 pm. I started by going out at 9 pm and there were a decent number of Lleras chicks but no girls at Gusto. By 10 ish, the doorman usually would tell me there were only a few and to come back in half an hour. By 11 pm, it seemed that enough girls were there. I am well aware of Latino party hours but during this trip, I had some morning plans and I didn't want to spend every night staying up until midnight or 1 am just to get a girl back to my place so it put a damper on how much I would use the place. Also, the few times I went early and waited for Gusto to get full, I would usually find a girl in Lleras that I would consider 8/10+ and would pull the trigger.

[B]Service[/B]

This is hotly contested so I will give you guys my criteria. I generally look for GFE-like experiences. This means that I like to take the girl home, pop open some jugo / vino / water and talk for a while to get to know her. I love learning something new or absorbing a different life experience and forming some minor connections because I believe it leads to some better sex and a more fulfilling night. I look for more passion in my sex and a general enjoyment from the lady. THIS IS NOT FOR EVERYONE and I won't insult those who look for a different experience. I prefer to have that experience with all of my sexual exploits, girlfriend or paid and it's the only way I prefer to roll. Saying all of this, I sampled 10 women from Lleras / Gusto and I didn't have a bad experience. Every night, I was able to find (what I believe to be) a 8/10 or higher girl that would provide passable GFE experiences. I would say that 7/10 provided above average GFE and 4-5 were mindblowing GFE. The ladies were active in pushing for more during the sexual encounters and didn't shy away from changing positions, kissing, etc. Only 3 girls requested condoms for BJs (I don't do bareback for sex) and I always got at least 2 good shots. The average night usually went; come home and talk / drink for an hour, sex, rest for 30-60 and talk / eat, sex, let her go home. I understand that everything is YMMV and I do have four distinct advantages in that I'm passably fluent in Spanish, not a drunkard, am a good listener, and I'm young. Note that 3/4 "advantages" are things anyone can do.

I don't feel that the service level for the Gusto's girls was any higher than the Lleras girls, but I guess I would say that the median Gusto girl was more attractive. I felt that some of the really attractive Lleras girls got annoyingly swiped up fast. I would stupidly want to make a final lap before picking a girl and she would literally be walking away with a dude in the few minutes it took me to get around. But it all works out in the end because new girls always show up (That girl Michelle showed up two minutes after I missed out on hottie because I decided to take the long way around the park rather than go through it to talk to her). Don't get too bent out of shape about missing out.

[B]Final Thoughts[/B]

I had a really great trip while solely focused on Lleras and Gusto hunting. I didn't even end up trying the other bars because a few laps (maybe 20-30 minutes at most) around the park usually got me what I wanted. I totally understand that other options can lead to great returns as well but I am simply stating my experience. I wanted to see if it could provide consistent results and to give you guys some better info on what can happen. Hopefully it helps. Here are some other random thoughts without much explanation.

I understand that my price tolerance might be higher than some here, but I felt that nothing was overly expensive. Most girls were quickly able to be negotiated down and very few held firm on high quotes, but this might be YMMV. They seemed to value the tranquilo vibe, from what I heard.

Safety is really high on the list for the girls. Drunk shitheads are a dangerous unknown. If you come off as a safe guy, they are willing to negotiate to close the deal.

I never paid until the end and no girl requested it of me. I usually paid them after they showered before leaving before they asked.

Rappi is great. It gives you major access to whatever food you want and the delivery fees / tips are like 1 USD.

Many of the girls didn't want to work in Centro because of the perceived danger, drug-addled neighbors, and trashiness, though I'm not sure if that was from experience or just what they heard.

Many of the Lleras street girls didn't like working at the bars because they had to spend tons of hours hawking drinks on guys which was tiring. I didn't get a lot of clarity if they specifically meant the "employed" girls with the uniforms or the actual prostitutes that frequent the bars. Either way, constant hangovers, groping dudes, and the bars taking major cuts from their wallets doesn't sound great.

If I ever come with some friends or anyone here takes me up on meeting in Medellin, I am happy to try some other bars in Lleras. My next personal trip will probably focus more on upscale incall brothel places and some online facebook / escorts at night to try a change of pace.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2936875]I would stupidly want to make a final lap before picking a girl and she would literally be walking away with a dude in the few minutes it took me to get around.[/QUOTE]You won't lost them if you just get the number of anyone you may like. You will also end up with a larger pool of girls.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2936875]Alright, I just got back from Medellin and I wanted to give my thoughts and some advice for would-be travelers. [/QUOTE]I'm thinking of taking a first-time trip to Medellin solo, and this was very helpful for me, thanks for taking the time. It sounds like I can just stay near Lleras the whole trip and have fun. But my spanish sucks. I'm semi-passable in Tijuana after a few drinks with bartenders and cabbies who play along, but otherwise I'm stuck with google translate. Do any girls speak English or no?

I've never paid more that 300 mil for a girl and I usually pay 300 only when she's a stunner. The average is 200-250. Then again I speak Spanish and pick up girls in normal places. It's embarrassing how these prices keep skyrocketing. The prices will keep doubling because of the idiotic "don't blame a man for how he spends his money" mentality. The only way to keep prices low is to always negotiate and not capitulate to crazy prices. Also, for the fools that post things on how to evade cops. Guess what they read this forum and they are looking for more ways to prosecute gringos.

Last trip I had the frustrating experience of being cock blocked by the receptionist of my hotel while I was about to have a threesome with 2 stunning Latina girls met at Lleras park. So I am looking for an Airbnb this time, with a private entrance preferably to avoid the walk of shame in a lobby or a common elevator. My budget is also lower so something not to expensive. It can be elsewhere too, I like near Lleras because walking around when I am walking back to my room is a good way to find some gem.

If there is other relatively safe place like Lleras park with a lots of girls ready to suck and fuck for money I would give a try in a different area but I think Lleras park is probably the best place for it.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2936875][B]Service[/B]

This is hotly contested so I will give you guys my criteria. I generally look for GFE-like experiences. This means that I like to take the girl home, pop open some jugo / vino / water and talk for a while to get to know her. I love learning something new or absorbing a different life experience and forming some minor connections because I believe it leads to some better sex and a more fulfilling night. I look for more passion in my sex and a general enjoyment from the lady. THIS IS NOT FOR EVERYONE and I won't insult those who look for a different experience. I prefer to have that experience with all of my sexual exploits, girlfriend or paid and it's the only way I prefer to roll. Saying all of this, I sampled 10 women from Lleras / Gusto and I didn't have a bad experience. Every night, I was able to find (what I believe to be) a 8/10 or higher girl that would provide passable GFE experiences. I would say that 7/10 provided above average GFE and 4-5 were mindblowing GFE. The ladies were active in pushing for more during the sexual encounters and didn't shy away from changing positions, kissing, etc. Only 3 girls requested condoms for BJs (I don't do bareback for sex) and I always got at least 2 good shots. The average night usually went; come home and talk / drink for an hour, sex, rest for 30-60 and talk / eat, sex, let her go home. I understand that everything is YMMV and I do have four distinct advantages in that I'm passably fluent in Spanish, not a drunkard, am a good listener, and I'm young. Note that 3/4 "advantages" are things anyone can do.[/QUOTE]Thank you for this detailed report. This is exactly how I roll. I took 9 friends to Medellin in Feb and we had a blast. 6 or 7 of them valued qty over quality and just banged away, and I have no issues at all with that approach. But two of us liked the GFE-ish type evenings. I never paid more than 250 k from Lear's unless I added a tip or food / uber and usually got more than an hour. I like to give massages so by the time I'the give her one, she'd usually slip into completely untrusted mode. I like to establish some kind of connection. Yes I know she's working. But like one of my buddies says, I like the lie that it's "tru luv" for the hour or two lmao. I found this amazing 19 yo who ended up coming over almost every day and when I left for Aruba at the end of the week, she wanted to go. I said how much, she said I don't care. So got her a plane tkt on wingo $200. I already had an Airbnb. She flew there and hung out for 4 nights, tore my ass up every night and in fact got pissed at me that she felt she was initiating the sex more than I was. LOL. We were both flying out the same day, her to Mde and me north. I handed her $600 for the 5 days /4 nights at the terminal and she started crying. Still trade how are yas maybe every other month and I'll be back in Mde in 2 weeks and def plan to hang out. I like to establish a few "keepers" different places I go. I'm not super fluent speaking Spanish but I understand it pretty well and they seem to really appreciate my fucked up Spanish and it seems to go a long way.

I do want to check out a casa or something like that so if anyone will be in Mde 8/30 to 9/4 and interested in a wingman, or if you have any info on places to check out, please pm. The driver that took me to / from the airport told me about places near Botero?

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2936875].... Scope out a girl you like, exchange pleasantries, tell her what you like, negotiate prices, and get home. It can be difficult to talk to one girl who is in a pack since you are just one guy, but you'll see that all of her friends will usually move aside and give you peace to close the deal with your chosen girl. .............I never had more than a ten minute conversation with a girl before I pulled the trigger. I mean, there is just not much to say. How are you? What's your name? How old are you? You look beautiful. I like x, why, z, can you do that? How much for a date? I think you can try to butter them up more but I'm not sure it really matters when you're picking up girls in the square because they generally aren't going to go hang out for a drink or anything. [/QUOTE]

TheDelirous, thanks for the detailed, informative report on your mongering ventures around the Parque Lleras happy hunting ground.

Let me add a personal addendum to your experience (quoted above) in chatting / picking up chicas where they congregate around the Parque (mostly on / near the corner of the park between clubs Gustos and Glow). When I approach a chica (whether she's alone or in a group), I ask her to come sit down with me inside the park for a brief, private conversation--just long enough for me to get a feel for her personality (vivaciousness, overt sensuality, flirtatiousness are all good signs that she'll provide GFE treatment). (5 minutes or so; 10 at most). They rarely refuse, and, if they do, it's usually a bad sign--though if super hot I may still collect her WhatsApp.

I stay in Laureles when I'm in Medellin and prefer to see chicas for just an hour or two in the early evening (as opposed to Todo la Noche). Given my location and these preferences, I'll visit Lleras at the busiest times (after 10:00 PM Thursday to Saturday nights) to scout for new talent, but only to have interviews and collect What's App numbers. I'll then wait for another day to negotiate pricing and services by text message. Since I'm not trying to pry them away from Parque Llleras to Laureles at prime late night hours, they will often accept a more modest offer of 200 or 250 thousand plus the promise of a generous tip for good GFE (DFK and BBBJ). Not cheap by El Centro street or casa prices but still a good discount relative to the rates that you were quoting. Of course, some will counter with a higher price and, if she's superduper hot and has my hormones fully engaged, we'll negotiate and may end up compromising in the 300 to 400 range.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2936907]You won't lost them if you just get the number of anyone you may like. You will also end up with a larger pool of girls.[/QUOTE]Yeah, you're right, and it's an ongoing improvement with me that this hobby has really helped with. I first had to get used to cold opening with people, and then I had to practice getting used to saying no and moving on. I've been getting better about just walking up to a girl with the express choice of getting a phone number and moving on but it still doesn't come naturally to me.

[QUOTE=Chupacabra]Do any girls speak English or no?[/QUOTE]In my 5 or so trips to Medellin in the past few years, I have not met any girls that spoke good English. Some girls can generally understand certain things and most will have a collection of memorized phrases like "cum in my pussy". I personally, have not met any working girls that would be considered conversational in English, even at an elementary level. I have seen some online escorts that advertise speaking english but I haven't sampled any of them. Most girls tell me that they just do google translate tag with non-Spanish speakers. Not speaking Spanish is not a major blocker to a good time as long as you are kind and give off a safe vibe, but it does make a good connection harder. So don't let it stop you, but maybe temper your expectations and work to try and improve your spanish on your side.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2937008]
I stay in Laureles when I'm in Medellin and prefer to see chicas for just an hour or two in the early evening (as opposed to Todo la Noche). Given my location and these preferences, I'll visit Lleras at the busiest times (after 10:00 PM Thursday to Saturday nights) to scout for new talent, but only to have interviews and collect What's App numbers. I'll then wait for another day to negotiate pricing and services by text message. Since I'm not trying to pry them away from Parque Llleras to Laureles at prime late night hours, they will often accept a more modest offer of 200 or 250 thousand plus the promise of a generous tip for good GFE (DFK and BBBJ). Not cheap by El Centro street or casa prices but still a good discount relative to the rates that you were quoting. Of course, some will counter with a higher price and, if she's superduper hot and has my hormones fully engaged, we'll negotiate and may end up compromising in the 300 to 400 range.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are completely right. I didn't have a lot of free time during to the day and definitely took the less efficient path of sourcing new girls each night so that led to higher prices. Part of it was to experiment a bit and some of it was for my own personal growth, but I do agree that collecting numbers and negotiating the next day can be better. I didn't do any repeats either, even though I kind of wanted to which can also have some cheaper prices. Thanks for adding this.

Would someone please tell me how to find girls on facebook? I've gone back many pages and can't find much. Also, I will be in Poblado on Thursday for at least a week if anyone wants to meet for a beer.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2937020]In my 5 or so trips to Medellin in the past few years, I have not met any girls that spoke good English. Some girls can generally understand certain things and most will have a collection of memorized phrases like "cum in my pussy". I personally, have not met any working girls that would be considered conversational in English, even at an elementary level. [/QUOTE]In the past 20 years I have dated over 100 women in Colombia who were not hookers. As far as I can remember only 1 of them spoke English. But for good measure let's say 3 did. If you are going to Colombia expecting to meet chicks that speak English then you will 99% be disappointed.

Is Medellin still anti tourist for sex work? I recall months ago that the main park was closed and no women allowed to stand around and possible other restrictions.

How is the market for girls as of now or is there a day when that sex tourism ban will be lifted?

[QUOTE=GoFourIt;2937083]Would someone please tell me how to find girls on facebook? I've gone back many pages and can't find much. Also, I will be in Poblado on Thursday for at least a week if anyone wants to meet for a beer.[/QUOTE]DM me, I am in Poblado until next week.

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[QUOTE=GoFourIt;2937083]Would someone please tell me how to find girls on facebook? I've gone back many pages and can't find much. Also, I will be in Poblado on Thursday for at least a week if anyone wants to meet for a beer.[/QUOTE]Look at post # 210 in "Links to Reports of Distinction", but I don't think you have time before you are there. Here's a link: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2016-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction/page2[/URL].

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2937094]In the past 20 years I have dated over 100 women in Colombia who were not hookers. As far as I can remember only 1 of them spoke English. But for good measure let's say 3 did. If you are going to Colombia expecting to meet chicks that speak English then you will 99% be disappointed.[/QUOTE]I will partially disagree with this statement. I have family living in Medellin as digital nomads and they have integrated into the normie culture of Colombia so I have met a good deal of college educated girls that speak decent English. These girls are not prostitutes in the slightest, nor are they looking for sugar daddies. They are the same as any working professional woman or college girl in your country of origin. They are generally looking to date hot, fit guys around their age, or at least not what they would consider "old". Some do like foreigner guys but you need to speak Spanish. Many are from the middle / upper class, which means you are going to have to pay more to date and you need to be someone to potentially introduce to the family (so many of our black and darker brothers may be in for a hard time).

But the crux of your statement is true. If you go out to Colombia to meet these women, you will 99% be disappointed. You need to be a permanent-ish resident (I. E. Not living here for fun), you need to know the right people to get introductions, you need to prove you're not a foreigner just trying to get pussy, and you need to know Spanish at an intermediate level. I have hooked up with a few of these girls over my time in the area, but I argue that the juice was not worth the squeeze and there were very clear signs very early in the relationship that they are looking for something serious at the end. Latinas, especially in this class (all over South America), have a very different expectation of dating than you might see in the lower class.

[QUOTE=SoloTraveler10;2937184]Is Medellin still anti tourist for sex work? I recall months ago that the main park was closed and no women allowed to stand around and possible other restrictions.

How is the market for girls as of now or is there a day when that sex tourism ban will be lifted?[/QUOTE]No restrictions in Parque Lleras as far as I could tell. It was a political stunt as everyone should have known.

100%. I've met a couple who speak good english through both pros and dating over the last 4 years. One is a fairly well known prepago who is past her prime at this point and branching out into tours due to her skills. I went on a date with another girl who spoke pretty fluently and now has a US visa. Now I know a couple more (both pro and nonpro) actively taking classes and trying to learn or know a little english thanks to an foriegn ex. Is that the norm? Far from it. It doesn't bother me at all since I speak Spanish and I've done absolutely nothing to seek out English speaking girls. If you want to get more out of pros, learn Spanish. If you want to date you need to learn Spanish and also come off as serious / and not a low life.

If somebody is looking to date an english speaker or learner, then I'd start attending the language exchanges, which are mostly in Poblado though I think there is one in Laureles too. I've consistently told my amigas learning english that they should attend the exchanges as well.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2937094]In the past 20 years I have dated over 100 women in Colombia who were not hookers. As far as I can remember only 1 of them spoke English. But for good measure let's say 3 did. If you are going to Colombia expecting to meet chicks that speak English then you will 99% be disappointed.[/QUOTE]

I'll be returning to Medellin in October for my second time and despite all the talk about how run down and overpriced the Hotel M (mansion) is, it's security and convenience was so good last time that I've booked them again. This time I'll do a day trip to Guatape since I didn't have enough time last trip. It looks fairly easy enough to get to via bus and back plus I'm assuming that Guatape is too small and touristy to have any mongering action (please correct me if I'm wrong) so I'll opt not to stay overnight there. I've already done Parque Arvi as well as Comuna 13 so I guess there's nothing else that interesting from a tourist point of view left in Medellin during the daytime hours except the odd casa visit for us mongers.

Great stay at the Nutibara Hotel, thanks to all who recommended it. Got the top floor units with the patio and it was great. Awesome view, decently nice room, renovated bathroom, comfortable bed / mattress. All in all, great stay, especially for the location, close to all the action!

First up, Rosa - 19 years old. Super cute, braces of course, big titties a tiny bit chunky. First session, good, condom only, ok oral, ok sex, but at the end, she wanted doggy and I asked if we could do with no condom, as it feels better. She said yes and off went the condom. Beautiful deep penetration in doggy, nice finish on her back. Great time.

Went with her again the next day and was 100% bareback, finish on body, excellent session. Wednesday one more time, but this time with her friend Salome, all covered that session, probably because she didn't want her friend to know she'd been riding me raw. Also a great session, I was worn out by mid-week.

2 other centro girls: Cristina. A paleta vendor, totally unexpected. I 100% did not even think about fucking her, but she was cute and we had a beer together, and I gave her a 5 k note for paletas that she gave out to some kids who were passing by. For some reason she gave me some flirty conversation, I asked her jokingly if she wanted to go to the room and get down and she says, Oh yeah! So off we went to the Nutibara, got her checked in, she showered, and we had an awesome session. She has a kid and has lost something like 50 lbs over the last 6 months or so, which was not expected. Lots of loose skin, but she's cute and was just having so much fun that it was one of the better sessions I've had. In particular she wanted me to lightly choke and slap her, no idea why, but she REALLy enjoyed that. Then we moved to doggy and she wanted me to hold her wrists while I pounded from behind. That was fantastic. Finished that way, a tiny load as I'd already given my first load to Rosa earlier in the afternoon. But satisfaction all around, and an overall 8/10 session just for enthusiasm. She only wanted $100 k for the 2 hours, but I gave her an extra 100 k and she went off floating on air, so cute!

The other centro girl was a very dark negra, Paola, down from Botero, near to all the cantinas, but a bit further down the street. She saw me walk by when I was making rounds in the morning on Wednesday, waved me over when she saw me walk by the second time around 1 PM. We went upstairs, nice clean short time hotel, and had a nice condom session. I told her I would be more enthusiastic, and she finishes my sentence, ". Sin condon!" I'm like, Yep. She says Ok, but you have to pay me more. Sure thing. Upped my offer from 40 k to 80 k and she was all over it. Ripped off the condom, she mounts up cowgirl and we have a good 10 minute ride. Very nice. Busted on her stomach, she showers, I clean up and off we go out separate ways.

Took 2 days off to hang out with my gringo friend's wife, drinking, chatting, etc. No action, which is cool, I wouldn't do that to my friend. Well, maybe. But not this time! .

Finally, not Centro, but Lleras on my last night in town and my last one for the week was Fabiana a true prepago in the old fashioned sense. A student at one of the local universities, periodically runs by Lleras and gets "spending money". She gets all serious and says, "I'm NOT a puta, I just really like sex, and I also need money every now and then. " I'm like, "Whatever baby, let's go!

Took her to Lleras Garden Hostel right on Calle 10, pay for the room, told her up front, no condom, no rush, don't get pushy. She complains a little that it "hurts" her pussy when I'm eating it, which I've never heard before, but ok. Went a little gentler, then had her mount up. Rode me like a champion cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, then finally finished in doggy. I told her, "I'm going to come inside you, and she says, Yes, yes, come inside me baby! I love that shit. Anyway, busted a big load inside her, paid her our agreed upon 150 k, then went back to Lleras Town restaurant to continue my rum and coke session with the super cute waitress there Angie. I challenged her that I would tip her the cost of however many rum & cokes she drank, well, that was crazy because they're 30 k each, I think, and she downed 5 or 6! Damn. She was struggling to keep herself focused on work. Super fun. Anyway, she took care of me my first night with the 2 Andreas and has been more than fun to just chat with, so I gave her 200 k and called it a night.

All in all a great trip, really enjoyed it, especially after my last 2 trips to Cuba which have been, at best, mediocre although still fun. I just really like having modern conveniences, good food, nice drinks, great girls all for more than reasonable cost.

Nomars777 out!

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2937317]I'll be returning to Medellin in October for my second time and despite all the talk about how run down and overpriced the Hotel M (mansion) is, it's security and convenience was so good last time that I've booked them again. This time I'll do a day trip to Guatape since I didn't have enough time last trip. It looks fairly easy enough to get to via bus and back plus I'm assuming that Guatape is too small and touristy to have any mongering action (please correct me if I'm wrong) so I'll opt not to stay overnight there. I've already done Parque Arvi as well as Comuna 13 so I guess there's nothing else that interesting from a tourist point of view left in Medellin during the daytime hours except the odd casa visit for us mongers.[/QUOTE]Why don't you find a sexy girl to go with you? Trips like that are not fun alone!

Hello,

I am going to Medellíand for first time. I called few hotels and they don't allow girls. Is there a nice hotel near parque llearas that allows girls? In Panama, hotels allowed for a $20 fee. Please help.