Fellow mongers,
I will be in Vietnam during Sept. if anyone would like to meet and share an adventure, pm me please. Looking forward to sampling some ripe fruit this trip.
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Fellow mongers,
I will be in Vietnam during Sept. if anyone would like to meet and share an adventure, pm me please. Looking forward to sampling some ripe fruit this trip.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Let's keep these prices under control. The going rate for all nighters has risen recently to US$60 or 1,000,000 VD and the hotel should be about US$25. A year ago it was $40 and $20 for the same. Not sure about short timers but I would expect about $40.
Negotiate, negotiate, negotiate - this is Vietnam.
The hotel is only needed if your hotel is not girl friendly which means the international chains and bigger hotels. There is plenty of discussion here about the smaller GF hotels.[/QUOTE]
I think you may have miss read what I said. I said that the girls ASK for about $60 ST in the more touristy bars, by that I mean the ones on Hai Ba Trung near the Caravelle, like Na Na, 49 etc. Yes you would then negotiate from there, but the girls in these touristy bars are very hard nosed negotiators and play every trick in the book to extract the max. The best I've ever got there is $40 short time, the negotiation skills not being helped by being very pissed (drunk for our American friends). I usually stay in one of the larger hotels which is is not girl friendly so have to go to one of the short stay hotels with their added cost. Bit rough when that increases the base cost by 50%.
I notice one of your previous posts that states this very fact in these bars, but the best you got was $50. The first time I ever went to HCMC and to one of these bars was maybe about this time last year, so never got to experance the $20 root that you said it once was.
Based on that 1,000,000 for what the poster got is very reasonable indeed. I would love an experiance like that one and would pay that for LT no problems and without a short time hotel fee too. Wonder what the old mum would have said if she saw the action going on under her roof!!! lol.
As for the prices you are paying no doubt that is what you get it for, but judging by your reports you live in the area and know the places to go where you get a product suited more to local clients, not the short time visitors who would frequent Hai Ba Trung and similar 'pickup joints'. For many who only visit the place the only real easy access would be the bars that I mentioned in the tourist area's, in which case their higher than most price will go with it.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Let's keep these prices under control.
Negotiate, negotiate, negotiate - this is Vietnam.
This is funny Sudsoz, Keep prices under control!! Have you noticed that the inflation rate in VN is very high, everything is going up, not just the hobby.
Look there is a basic concept taught in the VN Communist school system. it sounds like this "get what you can and as much as you can and get it now" You are right on with the Negotiate plan, but the basic element of greed is strong. Also many of the girls have so called friends or girls they have met that go to Singapore, KL, and Thailand many times a year for short term work and they know the rates in other places. Farm girl or not they all know someone in HCMC or Hanoi and they all talk and share info.
So sorry but I find your idea to keep prices under control very funny. Good though to tell guys to not over pay, but really, there is only enough blood to run one head at a time, and they have an expense account they are really screwing up the cost for the average guy.
Just a hint, you can still do go in the neighborhoods, but you must leave that comfortable D1 life.
Cheers,
I almost got robbed of a million dong (about $65 US) last night. A young, attractive girl approached me on a motorbike in District 1 on a motorcycle. She offered a massage and full service for $10. I got on and she took me to a hotel in District 5. When we got in the room she said that I should take a shower. She took me into the shower. Before doing so I locked the door just in case she had any friends who might try to sneak in the room. When we got out of the shower she asked for the money. I gave her 150K. She told me to lie down on the bed and started to massage me. She opened the door and let two of her friends in who also began to massage me. Looking back, I realize that this was so that I could be easily distracted while one of the girls stole my wallet. One of the girls got up and said that she needed to use the bathroom. Being a little bit suspicious, I checked to make sure my wallet was still there. It was gone. So I went into the bathroom and caught the girl with a big wad of cash that she had just taken out of my wallet. When she saw me she handed over the cash and the wallet. I decided it was time to leave. The girls said that I needed to pay $10 for the hotel room. I told them that since they had just tried to rob me I was not going to pay anything for the room. I exited the hotel. As soon as I exited the hotel a man on a motorbike who had been waiting outside of the hotel offered me a ride. I told him no. He began to get very persistent and said that he would take me home for free. I sensed another scam and said no and kept walking.
I realize that I almost got robbed because of my own stupidity. $10 is probably too cheap for full service with a young, attractive girl and the offer should have made me suspicious. She took me to a hotel in another district when there are plenty of hotels in district 1. I think the hotel was part of the scam which is why they didn't ask me to pay for the hotel room before using it. The plan was probably to get me into the room, pickpocket me, and then give the hotel a percentage of the loot. When that didn't work out they decided to ask me to pay for the hotel room as I was leaving. The funny thing is that if they had been honest with me they would have been able to get a lot more money from me. I would have been willing to accept an offer of $10 for the hotel room and $30 for the girl. They only got about $10 from me because they were so determined to rob me. As I was walking away from the hotel two of the girls got on a motorbike and headed towards District 1, probably looking for another sucker. I think the name of the hotel (so it can be avoided) was Thanh Dan and the address was C002 Le Hong Phong, F2, District 5.
[QUOTE=Jc373]
As for the prices you are paying no doubt that is what you get it for, but judging by your reports you live in the area and know the places to go where you get a product suited more to local clients, not the short time visitors who would frequent Hai Ba Trung and similar 'pickup joints'. For many who only visit the place the only real easy access would be the bars that I mentioned in the tourist area's, in which case their higher than most price will go with it.[/QUOTE]
I have been chasing business in Vietnam for about 4 years now with infrequent visits but I have listened to the advice of others who have spent more time there.
One of my issues is that I am not getting any younger and I prefer LT arrangements rather than a quicky without the morning glory.
A few weeks ago some of the bars were trying to impose a drinks minimum as an effective bar fee as well as the money for the girl. They backed off when I refused and made to leave.
Lesson #1 in almost anything...
If it sounds too good to be true then it probably isn't.
We all learn by mistakes and sometimes we just don't listen to our gut feel. I guess there is only enough blood to flow to ONE head. :) You were very lucky. Going with a stranger to a strange hotel is definitely not clever. There is an exception, though. If you stay in a 5 star hotel and go out with a cab driver then the cab driver can take you to almost anywhere. This is because the driver can get punished for cheating the hotel's customers.
I kept warning people to be careful but well ...
Hi My Names Raptorman And I Will Be In Vietnam For Three Months This Time,
Last Time I Stayed With The Family This Time I Want To Sneak Out I'll be Staying in the Thu Duc area and Would Most Greatful if Someone could show me around The Bargirl districts Of HCM I saw Some Fine Asian Ladys But Iam only 28 and it was My first Time To SEA better yet even my first time out of the United States So If Someone Be Willing could Show Me How To Score While Iam In HCM Then I will Buy You A Beer And A Lady Fair Trade Right?
He He He ....Really Though I Need To Learn The Game Last Time I Didnt Know Where To Go Or Who To Talk To Or How To Ask And I was Walking Around With A Hard Dick The Whole Time I Was There. Iam Leaving Very Soon My Visa Has Already Been Applied For And My Ticket Booked For Sept 6th However When My Visa Arrives I Will Try To Book A Earlier Ticket. I Want To Do What verybody Says You Get To do In SEA Thanks Guys,
Raptorman
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Vietnam is such a great place. I only have information about one area of the Mekong Delta and for Ho Chi Minh City, but my experiences here over the last eight months has been the best of my 55 years. Ah, to be young again. Here I am surrounded by thousands of girls who think I am the proverbial cat’s meow and I really can’t fornicate the night away as when younger. Oh well, no complaints because I have met some wonderful young and hot ladies who just love western men, romance and money, not necessarily in that order.
While I certainly have taken advantage of the professional girls, I have also had considerable success using the match-making web sites. In particular, Asia Friend Finder, Asianeuro and Vietnamcupid. I think I have met lovelies from each one of these sites who don’t mind getting together for sex.
Last night I had my first encounter with a young woman (early 30’s) who was an extremely hot fuck.
She came to my house in District 1 about 7:30 and we got right to it. We started with a combined shower and she scrubbed my dick and balls and also cleaned my asshole very thoroughly, while I admired her firm boobs and nice round butt while reciprocating her cleaning style.
We started off with my kissing her body up and down on the bed and I worked my way down to her shaved pussy (shit, I like natural). She had her first orgasm as I explored her little pussy with my tongue and found her clit to be very, very sensitive. I could see she was very hungry to get my dick in her mouth so she climbed on top and I licked her ass and pussy while she throated my cock, massaged my balls and tweaked my bung hole. Hmmm…had to stop her once to keep from ending it too soon as she was very talented and very horny.
I got her on her hands and knees in front of me and continued working on her pussy and ass with my finger fucking her pussy while I explored the darker entrance with my tongue. Very clean and very erotic moment there, lads.
We fucked in several positions after that and I asked her to let me cum in her mouth but she said no, had a sore throat or something and didn’t want it, next time ok. I doubt it. I did finish with a nice stream on her belly and tits and she was thrilled to see it erupt onto her. I was a little thrilled myself.
Total expenses for this romp? One glass of warm milk that I warmed up for her in the microwave afterwards. Also, she will come over any time I want to fuck her again and is just a phone call away. That’s great although there are other ladies also waiting for the call, so there may be a few ladies visiting me before she comes (cums) back again.
Next adventure is a 25-year old secretary I met through a website and who is just so sexy and cool on the phone. We have dinner planned for Sunday night and I certainly am hoping for desert to be taken in my bedroom.
Perhaps a word of advice, although I think most guys with a better developed head on their shoulders than in their crotch realize this already. The girls here really like gentlemanly behavior and to be generous and fun, not crude or smelly and generally lacking in certain sensitivities. Maybe other ways work effectively, but my model for mongering here in Vietnam has been very successful for me.
Good hunting, mates!
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I would be happy to help you out...I've been in HCMC for about 3 months and know the scene pretty well. I am staying in the Cho Ben Thanh area so pretty close to everything. Feel free to PM me.
Cali
Will be in HCMC for a couple of days. Staying at one of the big hotels, maybe the Hyatt. I read on the US State Dept website that locals are not allowed in hotel rooms of guests.
Curious if you could use an escort service and get someone to come to a western hotel?
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Austinhotel
[QUOTE=Austin Hotel]Will be in HCMC for a couple of days. Staying at one of the big hotels, maybe the Hyatt. I read on the US State Dept website that locals are not allowed in hotel rooms of guests.
Curious if you could use an escort service and get someone to come to a western hotel?
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Austinhotel[/QUOTE]
If you read the forum you will find that in Hanoi and HCMC the big hotels all have various forms of prohibition on bringing vistors. The Renaissance was reported to be charging for an extra room.
In most of the small local hotels (say under $30 per night) there is no problem - they will hold the girls ID and make sure everything is OK when she goes.
You can also use these small hotels on a short time basis or there are a number of 'love hotels' available sort time.
I don't like the temporary nature of the love hotels and stay in the small local places. The service is actually very good and very friendly. If I have meeting I just use the lobby of one of the big ones.
Apart from someone spruiking on this forum a few months back I have never heard of an escort service in VN.
If you want to stay within the 5* confines then the bar on top of the Caravelle may serve your needs. But buyer beware.
was in hcm from 21st to 23rd. A mixed mongering adventure. Stayed in duxton. Did Not try Xanadu (the health club in the hotel) as do not find it worthwhile when you can get better quality outside at a cheaper rate.
Looking around for hot toc, but couldn't find any. If anyone know, pls help.
Went on massage spree. Had 4 massage sessions in 2 days.
1. Royal kimdo hotel:
The facility ok. Had girl number 4. Face and body ok. Like to smile. English limited. Slow HJ, no rush. But also no roaming. Damage for massage is usd7.
2. Ho phan - facility sucks. Water smelly. Girl limited choices. Given girl named thuy, number 37, a bit old, 28yrs old. Plump. Service very good, gfe. Superb massage. Damage: massage usd7
3. Bong sen hotel at dongkhoi. Facility better than the above 2. Given girl number 11. Forgot name liao. Massage very good. HJ also good. Girl not bad looking. But still left with bitter taste. I took the package of vnd139k, which also include foot massage. In the end I didn't get the foot massage as I was told to wait 1. 5 hour.
4. Kimdo foot massage at mac thi buoi. Good foot and neck massage. Usd7.
Also to the bars in mtb, hbt area. One thing for sure, biz very bad, me and my friend were the only customers.
Went to apocalypes at 10, too early, only guys there. Left. Back to hotel sleep.
Overall a good trip. The only setback is could not try out the hot toc. Hopefull some brothers can help out. Thanks.
A few weeks back I had a chance to stay in HCMC, but I found the p4p scene at HBT not to be to my tastes. So one morning, I took the suggestion of some of the posters here and booked a hydrofoil ferry to Vung Tau. It's about a 10 minute walk from the HBT bars. Cost is still 120,000 VND for a one way 1.5 hour trip. After disembarking you get on a bus and travel to a drop off point/ticket office. At the drop off point there were plenty of cabbies. Again, relying on some previous posts, I asked to go to the Palace hotel. Cost per evening was $40 USD for walk in reservations.
The cabbie that had driven me to the hotel was pretty helpful and offered to show me around. I know viet and he seemed friendly enough so I took him up on the offer. I asked him if he knew of a good massage place. He did and off we went. Not sure of the name but it is in the direction of the statue of christ by the shoreline. We had to drive up a steep inclined driveway to get to it.
In total, it came out to about $35 USD for a 1.5 hour session. I would recommend skipping the steamroom session to give you more time to play. The girl and the massage were both average. The service afterwards was unremarkable and easily forgetable. Perhaps I was just unlucky that time.
After I was done, I called the cabbie and we did the typical tourist drive around the area. This part I'll skip.
Later in the evening, my cabbie offered to help me find a lady for the night so we went to a hostess bar not far from the Red Dragon. Again, sorry I don't have the name. It a little hole in the wall place with a parking lot next to it on the left side. They had about 9-10 girls and although the selection wasn't that great, I decided to go with most attractive (to me) of the bunch.
I offered 800,000 for a LT. She accepted and commented that it was the average price. Not sure if I overpaid, but it also included the cost of her ladydrink and my drinks as well.
Going back to the hotel, my cabbie said that he wasn't sure if the Palace was girl friendly or not and made some suggestions on how to get the two of us in. Im still not sure if the Palace is girlfriendly or not, but this is how I played it:
I went in alone and picked up my key. I then walked to the elevator and went up to my room for a minute or so. Then I came back down and made myself look busy with my mobile phone. I walked past the reception desk and outside to my lady for the evening. We chatted a moment, and then we both walked in and headed straight to the elevator and up. This way I was able to avoid having to go to the reception desk to ask for my key and get unwelcome questions. The entry foyer to the Palace is a huge room so pulling this off wasn't too risky. It was about midnight, but there wasn't anyone minding the door and it is a straight walk to the elevators.
The session turned out to be quite enjoyable. We showered together and moved on to the bed to continue our play. My girl was quite attentive and she stayed around til about 8:30 AM.
I had to get back to HCMC that day, so I went back to the dropoff point and took the ferry back.
All in all, I would say Vung Tau is a nice place and worth a look if you want a slower paced setting. The people don't seem to hassle you as much and there's definitely action to be had here.
[QUOTE=Casey2005]I know what you mean. I offered 150,000 dong for a HJ to the girl who was giving me a massage at Vien Dong Hotel. She should have said "thankyou" for the opportunity to make in a few minutes what is double or triple the money that most people earn for working all day in Saigon. Instead she complained that it was "so little". In Vietnam the focus is on getting as much money from the customer as possible. [/QUOTE]I am puzzled by the "tip" in Vietnam as well. A university graduate who works for VN government may earn less than 200 USD per month.
A labor works in a foreign-invested company may earn less than 100 USD per month.
If a masseur only has one massage per day, and receive 100,000 VND per massage, that mean she can earn 3,000,000 VND or equivalent to a university graduate (with the exchange rate of 16,000VND = 1USD).
Of course, a masseur may have more than one session per day. And I don't know what is masseurs' problem when you tip them 100,000 VND and they don't appreciate it.
"Of course, a masseur may have more than one session per day. And I don't know what is masseurs' problem when you tip them 100,000 VND and they don't appreciate it."
Because people (especially VK and Westerners) have spoiled them, period! Now they know 100,000 is only $6 in US and massage in US is at least $60/hr. They are also good actresses and trying to get more money from you. Another factor is supply and demand. District 1 is expensive so expect to pay more. At Caravelle the pimps/girls never yield to lower price even I speak Vietnamese and bargain hard! They know they can still have other suckers (who only listen to their little brothers) to agree to their outrageous fee.
If you are in Hue you will be shocked to know that a 5-hour cyclo cruise around the city only costs you $4 while you have to pay 4X to 5X of such amount if you hire a driver near a big hotel. Hint: just walk out and away from the hotel you will find many cyclo drivers not associated with the hotel and you can have a good deal. So the same principle applies here. Stay away from the massage in the hotel and find cheaper places in the city.