Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Frannie]Language is the key to it all.[/QUOTE]

Language is the key to all! Very true Frannie. I agree. :)

You learned from cd's, well there's nothing wrong with that if it worked for you. I had an advantage as my ex-wife was born in Puerto Rico (Spanish was her 1st language) but whatever works.

Crazy Jim - if you are new to the DR, start in Sosua. Trust me I've been to the island 14X. If you work your angles, and you have a working knowledge of Spanish - you'll be able to go to the Playero Supermercado to buy a few cold beers and some diet coke and you'll leave with the check out girl. ;)

In Sosua anything is possible..........

[QUOTE=GrouchoMarx]There is a beach restaurant called Siempre Sol. It belongs to a multilingual Dutchman named Hermann. You can go there, and have a snack while picking Hermann's brains. He seems to know every chica on the beach, has many of their phone numbers, and will happily share his knowledge. One word of caution however. Hermann exploits his waitress badly. They earn 3,000 pesos monthly (supposedly plus tips). Please put your tip directly into her hand. Otherwise she will never see it. What a piece of work![/QUOTE]

I tipped a waitress while sitting at a table at Seimpre Sol. Herman was at the table next to me. To my amazement, the waitress immediately handed him the tip! Didn't know what to make of that...figured it was none of my business...and I don't speak Spanish so couldn't easily find out.

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]
What are the places where the girls are not *****s? Is it one of those "anywhere" deals where you talk to someone in the grocery store, park, whatever, or is there a good place to go?
[/QUOTE]

Yes, any of those places. Stores where they sell women's clothes seem to attract women. Just smile at any women you see anywhere and see if they make eye contact.

I can't stress it enough. Hermann is a great person to know if you want to get girls off of the beach. At the same only a real creep would steal the tips from a waitress. I have seen him do it many times. Now, I hand the tip directly to the girl and state out loud that it is a tip for her. This avoids "confusion", and keeps him in check.

Herman and I have become friends. At the end of the day they all get a
part of the tips. I don't go to clubs, so all my chicas are found at the beach. Newbies should watch how much they tip. IMHO 50 pesosis a very good tip. Newbies should also remember 300 peso is 10 dollars. 150 peso is 5 dollars.

I think it is good to not load your pockets with large notes (i.e.) 500,1000 etc.

All the best!

Cap!

i will be making my second trip to sosua/pop/cab the last week in june. i see from the weather.com site that rain is 60% likely everyday. i've been checking this for a while and this is what it has been saying for every day for weeks.

the last trip i came in early december; on average the rainiest time of year. however, it only rained one or two days and most of the time the sky was clear and sunny. what is the real scope on this 60% rep001tered showers 365 days a year?

mikediver

[QUOTE=Frannie]Stores where they sell women's clothes seem to attract women. Just smile at any women you see anywhere and see if they make eye contact.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ford]Crazy Jim - if you are new to the DR, start in Sosua... you'll be able to go to the Playero Supermercado to buy a few cold beers and some diet coke and you'll leave with the check out girl.[/QUOTE]

Ok, sounds good... I'll try anything once.
CJW

Many people on this board have mentioned that it is possible to pick up non-pros or semi-pros on the beach, in grocery stores, etc.

However, I am at a loss when it comes to asking the Dominican or Haitian lady if she would like to come to my hotel room for mutual enjoyment.

Obviously, if she is a pro, there are several lines one could use (warning: My Spanish is based on Spanish as spoken in the Northeast Spain. Castilian Spanish is much more brutish than Spanish in Latin America but they think it is funny):

If you are a Neanderthal-like brute, you could say:

Oye chica, te quiero echar un polvo de mil cojones. ¡Vámanos a mi hotel!
Hey gal, I want to fuck your brains out. Let's go to my hotel (Literally, "hear girl, I want to throw you a dust of a thousand balls")

or

Oye, ¡vámanos a mi habitación y nos follaremos como Dios manda!
Hey, let's go to my room and we'll have a good fuck (literally, hear, let's got to my room and we will fuck like God commands)

If you are less brutish, you could say...

Oye, chica, ¡vámanos a mi habitación! Nos divertiremos muchísimo.

Hey girl, let's go to my room. We will have a good time

However, how do you pop the question to a semi-pro or non-pro without appearing to be a complete heel or perverted jerk?

Is there something akin to "do you want to see my record collection at my hotel?"

Not knowing Dominican culture, what do you say?

Perhaps

Oye, te invito a un vinito en mi habitación. (Hey, I would like to invite to a glass of wine in my room)

Oye, ¿quieres escuchar algunos CDs que tengo en mi habitación? (Hey, would you like to listen to some CDs in my room?)

Essentially, what segues would one use with a non-pro that will result in a happy ending? Any suggestions from Spanish-speaking veterans would be most appreciated

Incidentally, many thanks to Crazy Jim for the Haitian vocabulary

[quote=mikediver]i will be making my second trip to sosua/pop/cab the last week in june. i see from the weather.com site that rain is 60% likely everyday. i've been checking this for a while and this is what it has been saying for every day for weeks.

the last trip i came in early december; on average the rainiest time of year. however, it only rained one or two days and most of the time the sky was clear and sunny. what is the real scope on this 60% rep001tered showers 365 days a year?

mikediver[/quote]

like a lot of places in the tropics, rain is usually brief. when the sun comes back everything dries quickly. the north and south coasts have different rainy seasons - but as with your experience it's usually not something that is a big issue for vacations.

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist]Many people on this board have mentioned that it is possible to pick up non-pros or semi-pros on the beach, in grocery stores, etc.

However, I am at a loss when it comes to asking the Dominican or Haitian lady if she would like to come to my hotel room for mutual enjoyment.

Obviously, if she is a pro, there are several lines one could use (warning: My Spanish is based on Spanish as spoken in the Northeast Spain. Castilian Spanish is much more brutish than Spanish in Latin America but they think it is funny):

If you are a Neanderthal-like brute, you could say:

Oye chica, te quiero echar un polvo de mil cojones. ¡Vámanos a mi hotel!
Hey gal, I want to fuck your brains out. Let's go to my hotel (Literally, "hear girl, I want to throw you a dust of a thousand balls")

or

Oye, ¡vámanos a mi habitación y nos follaremos como Dios manda!
Hey, let's go to my room and we'll have a good fuck (literally, hear, let's got to my room and we will fuck like God commands)

If you are less brutish, you could say...

Oye, chica, ¡vámanos a mi habitación! Nos divertiremos muchísimo.

Hey girl, let's go to my room. We will have a good time

However, how do you pop the question to a semi-pro or non-pro without appearing to be a complete heel or perverted jerk?

Is there something akin to "do you want to see my record collection at my hotel?"

Not knowing Dominican culture, what do you say?

Perhaps

Oye, te invito a un vinito en mi habitación. (Hey, I would like to invite to a glass of wine in my room)

Oye, ¿quieres escuchar algunos CDs que tengo en mi habitación? (Hey, would you like to listen to some CDs in my room?)

Essentially, what segues would one use with a non-pro that will result in a happy ending? Any suggestions from Spanish-speaking veterans would be most appreciated

Incidentally, many thanks to Crazy Jim for the Haitian vocabulary[/QUOTE]


Are you being serious here? If you are, you are definitely working overtime. While my Spanish is not as eloquent as yours, I never found the need for these kind of "clever" pick up lines. The "culture", as you put, it just not that demanding! On the other hand, I would imagine if you actually took this approach and used these "lines" as stated here, the chicas would think you were being funny.

How about this simple approach: Make eye contact. Smile. Say hello. Ask their name. Let them know yours. Make some small talk about the weather and how much you like the Domincan Republic. Invite them for a drink--a juice, a beer, whatever. Sit in a cafe or restaurant for a while and continue to smile and ask her questions. After the drink and after you've determined you'd like to spend more time with the young lady in question, ask them if they would like to come to your room ("Tu quieres venir a mi habitacion?") If there is hesitation, you might say, "Tengo un regalo para ti." If they ask about the gift, say "un mil". Let's not forget the financial component here.

It's not much more complicated than that. While the young "non-pro" will often be available if you're "age appropriate", they may take a bit more time.
For instance, the drink may turn into a "dinner date" later that day. On the other hand, if the girl, younger or older, is ready to come to your room just moments after meeting her, she's more "pro" than "non-pro". And Sosua is crawling with "pros".

IMHO, the game is more about meeting and efficiently courting (i.e. one beer to evaluate her!) the non-tigres, the sweeter pros who will give you the hot, fully invested GFE....rather than knocking yourself out by coming on to the cute girls behind the counter at the pharmacy, who more than likely will not be interested in having sex for money. On the other hand, if you, unlike me, are 30 years old and buff, go ahead and knock yourself out with the tienda girls.

More than worrying about some kind of clever "pick up" lines, you'd be best advised to learn the signs of how to avoid being taken for a ride by a 25 year old hottie, who is out to scam you. There are no shortage of those in Sosua, those who are called "tigres" or "mafiosa". And they can fool you into wasting your money and time. No doubt you will learn the hard way....at least once!

Again, good luck. Based on the amount of research you are doing, I would bet you'll have a wonderful time....especially with the Haitianas.

#2128

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist]Many people on this board have mentioned that it is possible to pick up non-pros or semi-pros on the beach, in grocery stores, etc.

However, I am at a loss when it comes to asking the Dominican or Haitian lady if she would like to come to my hotel room for mutual enjoyment.

Obviously, if she is a pro, there are several lines one could use (warning: My Spanish is based on Spanish as spoken in the Northeast Spain. Castilian Spanish is much more brutish than Spanish in Latin America but they think it is funny):

If you are a Neanderthal-like brute, you could say:

Oye chica, te quiero echar un polvo de mil cojones. ¡Vámanos a mi hotel!
Hey gal, I want to fuck your brains out. Let's go to my hotel (Literally, "hear girl, I want to throw you a dust of a thousand balls")

or

Oye, ¡vámanos a mi habitación y nos follaremos como Dios manda!
Hey, let's go to my room and we'll have a good fuck (literally, hear, let's got to my room and we will fuck like God commands)

If you are less brutish, you could say...

Oye, chica, ¡vámanos a mi habitación! Nos divertiremos muchísimo.

Hey girl, let's go to my room. We will have a good time

However, how do you pop the question to a semi-pro or non-pro without appearing to be a complete heel or perverted jerk?

Is there something akin to "do you want to see my record collection at my hotel?"

Not knowing Dominican culture, what do you say?

Perhaps

Oye, te invito a un vinito en mi habitación. (Hey, I would like to invite to a glass of wine in my room)

Oye, ¿quieres escuchar algunos CDs que tengo en mi habitación? (Hey, would you like to listen to some CDs in my room?)

Essentially, what segues would one use with a non-pro that will result in a happy ending? Any suggestions from Spanish-speaking veterans would be most appreciated

Incidentally, many thanks to Crazy Jim for the Haitian vocabulary[/QUOTE]

Smiing and eye contact are the most important factors. Maybe you will have seen each other a few times. Telling her that she is pretty, if she seems receptive, cannot do any harm. Ask her if she is married, and if not why not. Maybe she will tell you that all Dominican guys are assholes. Then you can say that if you were her boyfriend, you would treat her like a princess.

This, "hola bebe, quieres singar, tu habitacion o el mio" stuff will not do at all.

I think you're all missing the point. Sure, be pleasant, make eye contact and blah blah blah. All good advice.

However, the reason that non-pros make themselves available to tourists in the DR is more the product of the morays of Dominican society and the culture down there more than anything that [b]you[/b] do.

Don't forget that the Dominican Republic has a much more "trampled through" feel than any other country you will ever travel to in Latin America. The explosion of tourism in Costa Rica, Panama and now Colombia is still a rather recent development where in the DR it has existed for decades.

Sex tourism has become an almost accepted part of the society in the DR and many young women are brought up with the knowledge that if there approached by a neatly dressed, reasonably attractive foreigner - well it might be worth hearing what he has to say! Spending an afternoon with him, afterall may be a viable way to supplement your income or come upon a gift of clothes, jewelry a watch etc.;)

Because of the history of that nation, Dominican women tend to be much more receptive to tourists then what my experience has been in other countries.

In Sosua, por ejemplo, I've chatted with the check-out girl in the Playero Supermercado while I'm buying my groceries, and then afterwards (when I notice that there is nobody behind me in line) I'll ask her what kind of music she likes, where she goes out on Saturday Nights, if she has any friends "as beautiful as she is" (wink) etc etc.

She'll turn to me and smile and answer my questions playfully and in a friendly way.

I can recall in Venezuela and Nicaragua for example - talking to girls in the supermarket checkout lines and having them look at me with an expression that clearly suggested [i]"what the heck is this 40 yo American guy talking to me for??"[/i]

Different atmosphere, different (very pro-tourist) attitude in the DR - tips the odds in your favor. This, more than anything else is to your advantage with regular chicas. :)

cheers.............

[QUOTE=Ford]I think you're all missing the point. Sure, be pleasant, make eye contact and blah blah blah. All good advice.

However, the reason that non-pros make themselves available to tourists in the DR is more the product of the morays of Dominican society and the culture down there more than anything that you do.

Don't forget that the Dominican Republic has a much more "trampled through" feel than any other country you will ever travel to in Latin America. The explosion of tourism in Costa Rica, Panama and now Colombia is still a rather recent development where in the DR it has existed for decades.

Sex tourism has become an almost accepted part of the society in the DR and many young women are brought up with the knowledge that if there approached by a neatly dressed, reasonably attractive foreigner. Well it might be worth hearing what he has to say! Spending an afternoon with him, afterall may be a viable way to supplement your income or come upon a gift of clothes, jewelry a watch etc. ; )

Because of the history of that nation, Dominican women tend to be much more receptive to tourists then what my experience has been in other countries.

In Sosua, por ejemplo, I've chatted with the check-out girl in the Playero Supermercado while I'm buying my groceries, and then afterwards (when I notice that there is nobody behind me in line) I'll ask her what kind of music she likes, where she goes out on Saturday Nights, if she has any friends "as beautiful as she is" etc etc.

She'll turn to me and smile and answer my questions playfully and in a friendly way.

I can recall in Venezuela and Nicaragua for example. Talking to girls in the supermarket checkout lines and having them look at me with an expression that clearly suggested [I]"what the heck is this 40 yo American guy talking to me for? "[/I]

Different atmosphere, different (very pro-tourist) attitude in the DR. Tips the odds in your favor. This, more than anything else is to your advantage with regular chicas.

Cheers. [/QUOTE]Excellent insight from a professional! Most young Dominican men do not have alot of spendable cash, so it is nice to enjoy the company of a tourist.

I don't have wide experience elsewhere in LA so I can't compare directly but I have the impression that Dominican culture is also very friendly to players even without the added effect of tourism. It seems like every little village has a disco tipico and bars that have camereras that can be taken out after paying salida. Cabanas are all over. Most of these businesses rarely see an extranjero. I have the impression that Dominican men with as much disposable cash as a tourist have always taken advantage of the opportunities and the culture assumes this is natural. On the numbers I have to assume that out of a population of 9 million there are several hundred thousand dominican men with enough means to pick up chicas regularly. At any given time there can't be more than a few thousand to a few tens of thousands of extranjero mongers (tourist and expat). This suggests that nine tenths of the field could be domestic.

The only difference is that the local culture expects a lot of discretion. A man with money is expected to have a girlfriend or two in addition to the wife and to still pick up an incidental chica now and then. He's expected to be very private about it however and to keep these things out of public view. Don't ask, don't tell.

I might be wrong but I have the impression that a 40 or 50 y.o. Dominican man, well dressed, would be well recieved flirting with a 20 y.o. cashier just about anywhere in the country. Hey, being a motoconcho is upscale enough for a lot of chicas.

A local guy might be faking it but any tourist is by definition well off. He's got a passport, residency in a fabulous foreign place, and enough money to pay to travel. A car is another hard to fake indicator. In the DR all cars come standard with a pussymagnet.

[QUOTE=Member #2128]More than worrying about some kind of clever "pick up" lines, you'the be best advised to learn the signs of how to avoid being taken for a ride by a 25 year old hottie, who is out to scam you. There are no shortage of those in Sosua, those who are called "tigres" or "mafiosa". And they can fool you into wasting your money and time. No doubt you will learn the hard way. At least once!

Again, good luck. Based on the amount of research you are doing, I would bet you'll have a wonderful time. Especially with the Haitianas.

#2128[/QUOTE]Although I have discussed this with Helpmann, perhaps other veterans might contribute towards giving some tips regarding sussing out tigresses

Helpman wrote, more or less, and forgive me if I have erred

1. Tigresses are aggressive and invariably the ones who will be hustling and hassling you.

2. Tigresses are usually older.

3. Tigresses hang out at professional bars.

4. Haitian girls? might tend to be more hard-cored (but this is disputed)

What are other tell-tale signs that there is a tigress in gazelle's clothing?

I think that any contribution would be most welcome by members

Thank you in advance

I am certainly, anyway, looking forward to meeting dark Haitian girls.