AMPs in other areas of Dubai

[QUOTE=Danny1971;1606785]Hi guys, I will be visiting from Bahrain the weekend of 21st August and staying at the holiday inn near the MOE.

I've been to sandy shoes a couple of time before and have posted reports. From RTFF I will also try the hotel named after the vodka cocktail and possibly the grand old duke. These are the only other ones that I know the location of from my limited knowledge of Dubai.

Appreciate this is a bit of a cheek, but are there are any others I should try, especially for a four hands? Are there any in or near my hotel?

Thanks in advance, I'm hoping a fellow senior member may take pity on someone who's on a bit of a busman's holiday.[/QUOTE]Hi guys just bumping this up.

Thanks.

I have read a number of pages of this forum and can find no mention of any talk about non semi legit AMPs that used to be in Dubai. Do these places still exist where you call the mobile number, arrive at a normal villa, get escorted inside to meet a line-up of PRC ladies? Examples of these establishment were located in Umm al sheif street (apologies for spelling), another was behind the pepsi factory (I had been a few times and also remember a few posts from Piper on the subject), another was just west of Safa park.

There was also one in the Marina in the building opposite byblos hotel. I think the mamasan was called chili. I still have the number but the wattsapp pic is of what looks like an indian lady so I am reluctant to message asking what girls are available.

I know some of these places date back 8 or 9 years so it would be interesting to know if any still exist, albeit they may be in different premises.

Day 1.

Back from a longish summer holiday I decided to check out what is there. I wanted to try the Russian MP in Wasel Road. Found the phone no easily enough and called to get direction. I got there and there were a Ukrainian receptionist who asked me to set down offered some water then she rang a bell, three girls came out one after another each of them says her name with a tiny hint of a courtesy bow, one of them was new and I was tolled its her first day at work so she might not have experience. I chose the new girl, she is from Georgia. Got to the room no shorts were offered (good sign) and she started a very soft massage and kept asking if its ok, as I really wanted a massage I asked her to go harder which she tried. Flipped over after 20 min and she went straight to little Johnny and went on with her conversation which was by far the weirdest I had at a massage place. She asked me how old I was when I first had sex and if it was enjoyable and told me about her first time, all the time she is playing with my dick, she didn't ask for money so far and then as if she remembered. She told me other girls told her to offer hand job and to ask for money upfront and she didn't know if she should stop and ask for money now or later, I responded by reaching out and taking her top of, Man she had quite large natural melons, she said nothing and kept talking and giving a nice enough HJ with DFK and playing with those huge melons, but she didn't let me finger her I kept trying and she kept saying no. She tried to get me to come using her hand which didn't work, I got her up on the table and titfucked here till I came all over her boobs. She cleaned me up then cleaned herself, I toke a shower got dressed. All of that no mention for money.

I gave her 300 and she was happy with it and asked me to come again.

I guess the other girls will tell her off for not negotiating cash first, it seems to me they ask for this high prices because there some who pay.

Place: clean, nice room.

Girl: look 7/10, service 6/10 for massage and 8/10 for extra.

Damage: 500 for the house and 300 tip.

WIR: not at those stupid prices.

Day 2.

Went to Lucy on easel Road and got my regular. As I haven't been there for sometime, I got extra spacial care, great massage and good FS, after I left I felt I want to try something else, so I called a MR no where there are some Iranian girls operates out of a well known hotel on SZR. I got there there were three girls to chose from, all three have to much silicon for my liking, I chose one and of we go to bed. Charges are 600 for 1 h one shot or 1000 for 1 h 2 shots. The girl was not bad other than those huge silicon boobs she was nice. Service was average (CBJ, kissing but not DFK), half an hour later I came and the girl let a smoke and started to talk and play with Johnny to get me ready for round 2. Then door knock and the other girl is asking if we could change rooms because there are two guys want threesome with one girl and they need the bigger room. After kind of a comical situation (me and the girl fully nude one of the other girls half naked and the 3 ed girls standing there in a short and see through top. Anyway we changed rooms and she started to apologise for those "crocodiles" and their behaviour. When I asked what she means I was told "crocodiles" is a name Iranian use for Arabs. Finally got to round 2 she ended up in doggey with a finger up her ares, she told me I could do anal if I pay extra (I was not in the mood for paying anymore), I toke off the condom and I came over her ares which seemed very funny to her and she kept laughing. Door knocking again and the other girl is asking me to finish because they need the room and all other rooms are busy, as it was over an hour I didn't fuss about it and left.

Service: not that great, between changing rooms, and overbooking the whole place it was very off-putting.

Damage: 1000 for an hour.

WIR: not likely, but maybe I would takeout in the future when they have a new Iranian with less silicon. It seems they rotate every month or so.

Day 3:

Found an add for Moroccan bath (which I personally like) on JBR, I called and toke direction, got there and PRC receptionist asked me which girl, she started naming nationalities, German, Russian, . When I told her Moroccan bath then my choice went down to Thai or Thai. Price for one hour bath and one hour massage was 500, (price for one hour massage with Russian or German was 500). One of the thais toke me to the steam room, shorts were offered and were torn off in 30 sec after she started. After 5 min the girl left then another one came saying they forgot the first one was booked already. (it seems to me I attract room and masseuse changing). Finished one hour bath which was nice with a loot of attention and washing and rewashing to little Johnny. Dried up and off to the second floor to massage room. Room was very nice and clean no bed but mattress on a step up surface, nice ambience. Girl toke off my towel and started a very nice massage for about 40 min, it seemed strange after all the attention she gave to little Johnny during the bath no extra was offered so far. Flipped over and she still didn't offer but went one with the massage for another 5 min or so, then she asked the question, I said she doesn't have enough time to get me to finish. I guess she toke that as a challenge and started a very nice BBBJ then she toke off her uniform, got into 69, then she moved to BJ slipped a condom and got into cow girl till I came, she asked for no money so far.

Finished got dressed and offered her 300, she started negotiating or more like asking for more, ended up giving her 500.

Place: very nice, clean.

Girl: quite Thai (didn't see the other nationalities).

Service: Bath 9/10 massage 8/10 extra 8/10.

Damage: 500 (1 hour bath and 1 hour massage) + 500 tip for FS.

WIR: not sure, I might try a German masseuse but 500 for an hour is quite high.

Cheers.

Some questions recently about Russians in AMP. I went for a haircut in Tecom this morning (good Cobone deal, haircut, shave, facial, hair treatment and neck / shoulder massage 44 Dhm) and found 8 business cards on the car when I got back. One says Russian staff available Moroccan Bath, Steam, Jacuzzi and Sauna. Gold Line Spa, Shop 2, Warsan Tower, near Media Rotana 056 3577526. No idea what it's like as I was drained by one of my regulars this morning (and she'll be back later), even walked past Sandy Shoes!

One of the cards offers a free 30 minute Morocco in a place in JBR.

A couple of nights ago I felt need for something relaxing and decided to give a try to a known place but I was actually looking for a different girl. In early July I reported a place with a Russian masseuse recommended by Shadows, but unfortunately the girl that he tried was not available (allegedly she went back home but then she told me that she was here taking time off).

This time I wanted to ensure that she was back and it was confirmed by the "Manager". I booked and when I arrived there I found this girl and the previously reported chubby but perfect masseuse. This one is quite short, slim and much better looking than the other one. As already reported by Shadows she was quite cold at the beginning, handed over the shorts and left without many comments. When she came back I almost immediately realized that it would have been a crappy massage, the technique is definitely poor, kind of body rub and a little more. No signs were given neither during the treatment on the back nor on flip over, until nearly at the end, after a few touches on the little brother she asked if I wanted more. I asked what was on the menu and she said HJ and BJ. She quoted 500 for the BJ and I asked how much for the HJ. She counter with "like all the others", but no mention was made on the amount. I le her go and I must admit that she has a very good HJ technique. Dropped her top and allowed some light FK and fingering.

At the end I asked of she was available to meet outside and she said yes, with no problems, on her day off. I did not ask for the amount but I believe it will be 1. 000 like the other Russian.

After the beginning of the treatment she became very talkative and told me many things about her, the son, the family, the ex husband, etc. (not that I really cared of, but.).

In any case a nice experience, if one is looking for a great massage and the view of fantastic boobs the chubby is better, while for a nicer and slimmer figure with mediocre massage technique but with great HJ skills (I will eventually try the full experience at home) the shorter is better.

Total 250 for the massage and 200 for the HJ (she did not complain but that is what the other quoted and had the previous time).

Various reports from last few months in reverse chronological order.

[B]1st Report - MP in Jumeirah - Al Wasl Road[/B]

In post Ramadan excitement, began doing some look around for new talent in different places. Came across this clearly AMP like setup through a popular hookup site (T). Photos looked promising and their contact details were also not readily distributed like many other.

Upon calling, found out that their Incall place was a villa in Jumeirah area (off Al Wasl road). The lady on phone demanded 600 for an hr. I managed to bring that down to 300 for 1 shot or 400 for 1 hr, whichever happens on location. She gave the direction and found the place after little looking around.

Turns out they're renting out part of a Villa and there are other general residents in other parts of the Villa as well.

Anyway, I met only 1 girl who was present, supposedly rest were out on call. She was same as the photos they had posted before, which was a pleasant surprise and surely the girl was a looker, which didn't hurt either. She was already waiting in a skimpy outfit over a bikini. Little head took over and I quickly opted for 400 an hr deal.

Supposedly she was from Vietnam and name is Lucia. She suggested a light massage to get us in mood and then carry on from there. This followed a crappy massage, while she was still in bikini. While I was getting impatient with that, she suggested a flip and carried on with the same with little attention down there.

Soon after that was over, she wanted to carry on with CBJ and I told her, I was proposed BBJ on phone and she was like. I'm not sure. Why she said that, other lady does that. I only do with condom. While CBJ just doesn't work for me, I was in no mood to force her into something she was not comfortable with. Funnily enough, before putting on the condom she emptied out nearly 100 ml of Listerine to clean up johnny and her mouth. This part was not very enjoyable either. With a CBJ, I was sure to not come. So after her attempts for a short while, told her we should move to FS.

It was at this point, her kit was finally off and I realized the why the delay. Her boobs looked great with the push up mechanism and they were mostly saggy and small without the external help.

Anyway after trying few different positions, finally finished in Doggy. She wanted to carry on with massage before I left, but somehow I was not in a mood anymore. So took a shower and I was ready to leave.

Besides her polite (but broken) English, not so bad looks (attached a photo). There was not much going on there. Even though it's a new find, am not sure I would be visiting them again.

BTW, the girl in the villa has a seperate number than the coordinator lady. I'm going to assume a direct contact would offer a better deal. (P. S: My PMs are presently inactive, trying to figure out a way to process the payment without CC. So sorry that I can't share the digits in case someone was interested).

[B]2nd Report - AMP Near Airport Freezone Metro[/B]

One of the old AMP operators reported about a new place with new talent. The place turned out to be a residential place near to DAFZA Metro.

There were 3 girls in line-up, all Asian (viet supposedly), but none above 5 6 in 10. I told the lead girl, I wante to bail and come back later. She insisted on staying back and promised great service with some discount. I guess out of pity, I decided not to walk out. AED 200 changed hands and she carried with a routine of BJ, Massage and FS following that. Nothing worth elaboration.

I still get their SMS updates about supposed new arrivals, but opted to stay away.

[B]3rd Report - Sandy Shoes[/B]

I had been trying to get an appointment with Ipoh and after two near misses, finally managed to book her towards end of Ramadan.

Equipped with all that info shared here so far, I had already made up my mind to go all the way and get FS on first visit.

After quick phone booking, walked in and was assigned with her. She was surely better looking than I was hoping. Later realized her top assets were not as good as they looked in the uniform.

She was quite friendly and quickly wanted to know, if I had been there before or if someone told me about her. Told her it was my first time there, but my friend Joe had been there before and he said she's great company. Had to also work out a imaginary description and workplace for make believe Joe.

She left me with the blue thingy and I quickly managed to find a spot for a couple of condoms I had carried along. Massage started and she wanted to know if I wanted it soft, or hard. Told her, I liked it sexy. With few giggles she asked if I knew the way it worked there. I quickly presented the options as 100 for HJ, 200 for BJ and 300 for FS. At this point, she was like. No. No FS here, I give you great BJ for 250. But I insisted that I knew FS option was available 'cause my friend told me so and she goes 'I kill your friend'. All the banter went on while she quickly got rid of the blue thingy and started giving a B2 be with her top down. Its at this point I realized her boobs were probably not as great as they appeared in Uniform. But her friendly attitude was surely making up for all the shortcomings in that area. On flip she didn't care much to carry with the massage anymore and began with a great BJ. Soon it was clear that she was not at all wrong about offering a great BJ. But then I had something else in mind, so even after trying for a while she was not able to get me to cum. When she was trying to figure out a new way to attack the problem, I quickly brought out the condoms and she seemed little surprised at that. Followed another banter of 'I kill your friend. '. But soon after little more fake protest, she got herself on the massage table and I had a go at her in missionary. To my surprise, she was quite tight down there and it was a pleasant surprise and surely worth all the effort. After we were done, she continued with the massage for the remaining time and offered a shower in the end.

While it had been a long wait to sample the goods there, glad that I got to see her before she left from Dubai.

[B]4th Report - AMP Opposite to Spinneys Karama[/B]

I was getting regular SMS updates from this MP place and finally decided to give them a visit. It's in the area opposite to Spinneys Karama. Not a legit place, so you walk into an apartment in residential building and presented an option of 5 6 girls (mostly Asian, may be one Indian). I opted to go with the girl with biggest boobs and she turned out to be quite a enthusiatic company. Quickly after the boss money (220) was exchanged she came back and announced her name as Ipoh (imagine my surprise, while the forum is talking about Ipoh in Sandy Shoes). Rest of the routine is mostly predictable with rimming, BJ and FS in different position. To my surprise, this lady liked it rough and she kept on insisting that I take a break for massage and go at it once again 'cause she liked to have sex. If my bearings were not all wrong, between one of the two sessions she managed to cum as well. I'm guessing, its kinda difficult to fake the involuntary part of the process.

She seemed happy and refused tip and asked to come back again.

So I did after about 2 weeks. This time even before I could select her from the lineup, she came ahead and dragged me to the room inside. Not that I would have picked someone else, but supposedly it was funny for some of the other girls I heard giggling outside. Once inside the room she was like 'why so late, you go see other woman?' etc etc. Anyway, quickly after boss money was out of the way, same routine was repeated. This time, she went for CIM. Soon after that she felt like going for DFK before massage and next session, but I was not game. Guess that kinda upset her little bit. After a lackluster massage, she was ready for next session. Finished in different positions and this time as well she managed to finish herself as well.

She gave me a peck and said come back again.

Didn't yet revisit the place, it was time to taste different flavors.

[QUOTE=Sandman101;1609359]Various reports from last few months in reverse chronological order.

[B]1st Report - MP in Jumeirah - Al Wasl Road[/B]

So I did after about 2 weeks. This time even before I could select her from the lineup, she came ahead and dragged me to the room inside. Not that I would have picked someone else, but supposedly it was funny for some of the other girls I heard giggling outside. Once inside the room she was like 'why so late, you go see other woman?' etc etc. Anyway, quickly after boss money was out of the way, same routine was repeated. This time, she went for CIM. Soon after that she felt like going for DFK before massage and next session, but I was not game. Guess that kinda upset her little bit. After a lackluster massage, she was ready for next session. Finished in different positions and this time as well she managed to finish herself as well.

She gave me a peck and said come back again.

Didn't yet revisit the place, it was time to taste different flavors.[/QUOTE]Thanks for great report Sandman. Make sure that your inbox is empty. You will be flooded with PMs from all and sundry LOL.

Well done. Recently seen two long good FRs. This is the contribution we seniors are talking about!!

Hello there ISG Dubai,

This is my first post here.

As I mentioned in the title I'm kinda new to the mongering life here in Dubai and since I don't live here I don't have much experience.

When I was here last time I visited The Lunar Metal place opposite to Kuwait street. 3 different times and 3 different nationalities Prc, Thai and Moroccan. There was no lock on the door and the door had some kind of a window so I think the masseuses there had to be a little careful because on each visit the only thing that was available was HJ with touching through clothes.

I don't remember how much the massages costed me but the tips were 200-300.

However I think that the location over there is closed now so there is no big relevance to the review except telling you my experience.

This time I tried their new location in a penthouse of a hotel in tecom called see Inn where you have to pass a swimming pool to reach the place.

Called the place and tried getting the Moroccan they told me she wasn't going to be available until 2 hours. However I said I'll try my luck. Went there and she was available. Took her for 1 hour costed me 200 aed.

There were shorts but she didn't tell me to put them so it was a good sign. But I put them anyway to see what's going to happen. Shorts were torn first thing into the massage and she kept going for my ass so I think she was trying to give me signs. Half way through the massage even before the flip I asked her what was on the menu. She said everything but "no fuck" and asked for the prices she said everything for a price but wait for the flip. On the flip I told her I want BBJ with 69. I started with offering 300 she countered with 500 and we settled on 350 I think it was a fair price for everything except fucking even a bargain maybe. The shower isn't inside the room so you would have to walk with just a towel on you for a little. Next time I'm going to try something in the shower.

I found out there was a massage parlor in a hotel called Grand E that has girls from Russia Ukraine Slovenia and Czech. It's 400 aed for 1 hour Swedish relaxing massage. I'm going to try them out soon so does anyone have any idea if they offer anything other than the usual Swedish massage?

I've been in and out of Dubai over the summer months enjoying a number of the AMP's suggested by seniors. With Special thanks to Joe K, CiderMaker and Daveonnet for their message replies and details.

The ethio previously known as blonde near Karama was an interesting experience although raises a gripe that I'm sure we are all familiar with. The manager who says yes she is free and can be booked for a certain time. I arrive punctually to find that (a) the manager is not present and (b) she has just taken a booking. Not to be put off I agree to come back in an hour and wander off to the Karama Hotel for a beer. Interesting place! Arrive back to find she is still busy so I make a polite nuisance of myself and check the book in detail. It is kept quite meticulously to the minute and I can see that every one of her appointments is really only 40 minutes. I also see that she is ten times more popular than any other girl that day. Time check suggests only 10 mins till she will be finished. I decide to wait in reception area which seems to make the girls minding reception a little uncomfortable but hey ho. I'm on a mission. Also means I watch 2 other punters come in and ask for same lady. Popular! Finally the stars align and a good massage with those famous breasts. 100 + 100 per Joe's instructions.

A little lunchtime massage in Al Barsha following recommendation from Cidermaker. Thai place in the street with brick lane. Confusion at reception as a new girl has just arrived with the same name as the one recommended. Once again I have to wait 15 minutes or so in reception which means I watch another punter come in and ask for same girl before having to accept another. Whomever it was. Sorry. Great modern room and good massage with a glimpse and brief feel of a fine pair of breasts. My first visit so reluctant to do more than HJ and loosening of top. To be followed up. I seem to remember that it was only insistence of 'a friend who only paid 100' that finally got the negotiation price lowered from 300! The fight against price inflation needs constant vigilance and dedication. Not always easy when the little head is already in someone else's hands.

I think it has been mentioned before but I've repeat visited to one of the many relatively new places in Business Bay. Not the happy chain but rather a Chinese dynasty. Because of convenience I've been their quite a few times and no more than a HJ and topless for basic prices of 150 + 100 to 150. One Thai lady who was delightfully filthy and liked to lie on the bed with you whispering filthy thoughts during the HJ. More recently a new girl from China with little English but a great strong massage and a wonderful skill with her hands after the flip. OK but not great looks and I was extremely disappointed on first visit to find the only thing impressive about her breasts is the bra but now I just lie back and close my eye's. Nothing mechanical about her wonderful technique that induces a near trance like state.

So the summer and ongoing research continue.

I see quite a lot of you complaining about the price of the extras at the valley.

Well out of 8-9 girls I had their mainly in 2012 and 2013 I never paid more than 100/150 for HJ or 200 for BJ and access to asset.

Moreover, I have dated 4 girls including 2 clearly of the hottest in there. But then I kind of burned myself when they talked to each other.

However I still have digits and talk to most of them, those girl really make a lot of money mostly with "local and reich english man" paying 500+ without blinking, but brought the right way I'm sure you can get a good thing for 200 aed.

I actually happen to go out with two of them time to time and meet all the new comers at once as they mostly club to the same 2 places.

The valley can be happy!

This is my first report. I started Rtff three weeks ago and started exploring the AMPs mostly around Old Dubai.

As my wife is on Summer vacation, I started reading the whole forum and lured towards AMP. I prefer AMPs over other services, as I am not interested in FS, but like GFE along DFK, BJ, etc. My liking for women is more on BBW and so went on with special names in this Thread.

Garhoud MP.

My first attempt was with one of the AMP queen in Garhoud and got the appointment as advised. The guy at the reception gave a weird smile when I ask for her name (I felt like that) and got a VIP room. Once entered she asked me on the reference and so given the usual answer (friend of friend). She asked the name and I told that there are lot of friends for my friend.

I took a shower and ready with the shorts. As expected she was a BBW and want to explore those jugs for the whole hour. Once started, she gave a nice massage on back and I was waiting for the flip. While she was doing massage near my ass, she asked for the specials and was told that HJ will be 200. I told her that my friend has given the complete price menu and offered 150 for happy ending with access to assets. Hope I don't have to elaborate more on this and finally got out with a nice hug. She asked me to come back for a Moroccan bath.

Lamcy MP.

It took several hours to find out this AMP and I was going thru the whole forum by searching her name W. Finally got her location with AMP mobile number. Called the number and the guy told me that she s busy and asked for an appointment. He told that there is no such appointment and refused to book. I told him that I'm coming at 9 pm and in case, she s free, I will take her. When I reached AMP, W was looking for someone outside (later was informed that she was looking for me). I asked for her and the guy asked her to take me. The rooms are not good for any extra service, as they are very old and ask only 100 AED / hr. During the back massage, she bit my ears frequently and during the flip gave a nice massage to my Johnny. She quoted only 100 for the whole service along with access to assets.

Thank you everyone for providing their inputs.

I continue here with my previous report. In earlier report, I typed wrongly the girl name of Lamcy MP as W instead of M.

Garhoud AMP.

Tempted by the AMPs and went to another one in Garhoud for massage with steam bath. Since I don't see any big jugs, chose a Fili and got a good massage with a steam bath. However there was no extras. So totally disappointed as I ddint get a BBw and happy ending. No additional damage.

Garhoud AMP.

Went back to old Garhoud for Moroccan bath, but without a booking for big boobs. Got a voucher from one of deal website for 99. Since there was no booking, I got a slim girl and got the ususal massage. She scrubbed me like a cloth and during Flip asked for HJ. I told her that I'm not interested, however got a 1 min massage for my small bro and checked her cup for a minute. The damage was 100. Got a lesson for not booking my favorite.

Karama AMP.

Was looking for this location of AMP for the infamous W. Called this AMP and booked W for 930 session. Gone there at 920 in eagerness and was told to wait for 10 more minutes. I was clock watching and when the moment came, I rushed towards W. But the specs of the girl was different and not matching with the specs written in the thread. However booked a VIP room and noticed that the rooms are big with decoration. So I have got a wrong address. The girl is a Thai with less English. She was searching for words even for a small sentence. The boobs are not my favorite, but got a nice massage with the required extras and GFE. The damage was 150. She may get 9/10 in attitude and if you know Thai language, you can try.

Now got the right address of real why* and came to know that she was gone for good.

If you find some one roaming and knocking the doors of AMPs in Karama, it may be Me, looking for the pseudo blonde ETHIO. In case, any one coming across huge melons in AMPs, think of me.

[QUOTE=PololaPolo6;1610545]I see quite a lot of you complaining about the price of the extras at the valley.

Well out of 8-9 girls I had their mainly in 2012 and 2013 I never paid more than 100/150 for HJ or 200 for BJ and access to asset.

The valley can be happy![/QUOTE]2012-2013. Times have changed since then. Why don't you try your luck again in 2014 and post your experience about how happy the valley was.

[QUOTE=JoeKarnavic;1609589]Thanks for great report Sandman. Make sure that your inbox is empty. You will be flooded with PMs from all and sundry LOL.

Well done. Recently seen two long good FRs. This is the contribution we seniors are talking about!![/QUOTE]Correct. Thanks Sandman.

[QUOTE=JoeKarnavic;1609589]Thanks for great report Sandman. Make sure that your inbox is empty. You will be flooded with PMs from all and sundry LOL.

Well done. Recently seen two long good FRs. This is the contribution we seniors are talking about!![/QUOTE]You are right JK but I guess the PM's are not available for Sandman. Jackson to confirm. Sandman its best to pay a 20 $ subscription to avail Private message services where one can ask personally needed information which are not otherwise allowed to post in Open Forum here. Its just 20 USD. More is available for you to read at [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=Subscriptions[/URL].

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