Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2467451]One more thing Sirioja. Generally, my experience is that most girls are not photoshopped that much. Unlike w / escorts, you don't approach sugar babes only for sex. You meet, have a drink / lunch or dinner / movie date etc and then may be sex at some point. If the girl looks very different from photos, you can walk away. For that reason, most girls do not cheat. Some have photos from a year ago and say "of the 4 photos, the 3rd photo is a year old" in their profile description.

This girl I included is pretty hot. Not all of them are that cute. This one is just 19 or 20. I would think if she agrees to have sex, it will be at least $400 for a couple of hours. That would be my guess. I will be very surprised if she agrees to $300.

Keep in mind paid sex is technically illegal and more expensive in most of America. So, prices will be a bit higher than Europe, to be expected.[/QUOTE]Funny your opinion that paid sex in not prostitution. And how would you call it?

Also you tell about 19 or 20 y. old and prostitution. An age in many States you are not allowed to buy beer.

Very very hypocritical view.

I feel very comfortable with FKK and so in the future we will just call them nursing home. Why not ?
LOL.

[QUOTE=EFrog;2467656]Funny your opinion that paid sex in not prostitution. And how would you call it?

Also you tell about 19 or 20 y. old and prostitution. An age in many States you are not allowed to buy beer.

Very very hypocritical view.

I feel very comfortable with FKK and so in the future we will just call them nursing home. Why not ?
LOL.[/QUOTE]Who cares what we call them? If it makes you feel better, call every relationship in which one gives sex to the other, and the other party pays more of the money a form of prostitution. That includes all marriages and not always female prostitutes either. I have a good friend who was a managing director at Merrill; he lost his job 5 years ago and is taking care of their 3 kids while his wife who is an oncologist is working full time and bringing in the moolah. I assume they have sex. So, we should call him a male prostitute. I will make a note of it for my next conversation with him, LOL.

I was answering Sirioja. He said I will take a sugar babe for 200 to 300. My point is that you can't simply wave a cash wand in the face of a sugar babe and ask her to suck your dick then and there. Well, you can ask but most likely you will get reported to the site admin and have your subscription revoked. So, there is a practical difference. To me, that is more relevant than semantics. But feel free to call them what you want.

I am kinda lost on your point about 19 year old, sex and beer. Topic for another day.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2467561]I had a couple of Ukrainian and other CIS sugar babes who were in US for school, other short time stays. You are right, they were among the best. I wish we had more Russian girls coming to US for studies, LOL.

That girl in the photo, she will not be available for 200. May be a dinner date but not sex. Such a girl will demand at least 400 if she is going to have sex with you. However, it is not 400 per hour because she will spend a couple of hours w / you, if not more. Again, US is more expensive than Europe in these things.[/QUOTE]Had a angel face, far prettier face than Linda, and quite elegant, much more charm than Linda, German for 200 at Globe in expensive Zurich, and we told to repeat. Really not bad for me in Switzerland or Austria, since reopening.

Usually, I know how to manage to get offered.

[QUOTE=Chongmal;2466122]On the business side of things, I have seen Asians approach things differently than what I see in Western European Americans, aka Whites. Whites go to the bank, try to get a loan, work on their own to save money to start up. I have observed Asians making near total sacrifice to get momentum.

The reason I point these things out, even though they pass both state and international borders, is that it demonstrates how different cultures address inequalities, some thrive on fighting to overcome it while others let the inequalities for their future.[/QUOTE]Not equivalent to compare sixth-generation White Americans to first-generation poor non-White immigrants. The native-born White-American, no matter how poor, is still not as economically desperate as his first-generation ancestor from Ireland was: [URL]https://www.moma.org/learn/moma_learning/jacob-august-riis-lodgers-in-bayard-street-tenement-five-cents-a-spot-1889[/URL].

Immigrants do not readily accept failure. And they generally have a different temperament to the ones that stayed behind in their home country. In other words, they are not representative of everyone else back in their home country.

Many immigrants to Western countries already have high levels of educational attainment and may even have been members of the social elite in their home country. This might give them a certain level of confidence in their own abilities, and perhaps make them more resilient to setbacks that they might encounter. Illegals, refugees, or family-sponsored immigrants would generally have lower levels of education. But what is common amongst them is that they probably have family back home that is much poorer than even the poorest White-American, White-Western-European or Black-American. These immigrants have people back home that depend on them. Look if I am a middle class Syrian father and I can only afford to pay human smugglers to get one of my three sons to Western Europe, I am not going to the pick the lazy son with the "defeatist" mindset. And if I am the "chosen" son, then I have a sense of duty and responsibility to not let my family down.

Reply from EL: what an optimistic point of view, sadly the reality is a bit different, so many migrants and their families believe that in Germany, France. Everyone is making 10000 euro a month, the reality is that even the hard working people earn around 2500, those people are well educated, trained, integrated. Most of the uneducated, non integrated migrants who are dealing with a lot of personal traumas, cultural, religion differences they will mostly earn around 1000 if they get a job after a long and hard acquisition process of the language, skills. Just enough to live if not survive in France, Germany. But for sure not enough to send money back to the families in the home countries. On top of that for those young guys it will be very hard to get in relation with a woman, so difficult to satisfy the sexual needs. At the end of the end most of them have no other choice that to do illegal things, will finish in jail for example 80% of the people in jail in France have migration background, that is the hard reality.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2468002]Reply from EL: what an optimistic point of view, sadly the reality is a bit different, so many migrants and their families believe that in Germany, France. Everyone is making 10000 euro a month, the reality is that even the hard working people earn around 2500, those people are well educated, trained, integrated. Most of the uneducated, non integrated migrants who are dealing with a lot of personal traumas, cultural, religion differences they will mostly earn around 1000 if they get a job after a long and hard acquisition process of the language, skills. Just enough to live if not survive in France, Germany. But for sure not enough to send money back to the families in the home countries. On top of that for those young guys it will be very hard to get in relation with a woman, so difficult to satisfy the sexual needs. At the end of the end most of them have no other choice that to do illegal things, will finish in jail for example 80% of the people in jail in France have migration background, that is the hard reality.[/QUOTE]During one of my business trips, I was in Africa and I heard similar stories about how people there think that in Europe roads are paved with gold and that everybody here earns 5-6 thousand Euros per month and drives a big Mercedes. I think those are stories that people smugglers spread, so they can charge 10000 Dollars for a 'ticket' to Europe. "Don't worry, you can pay it back within 3-4 months," they tell their victims, making these poor and uneducated people believe that thereafter the new migrant into Europe can make huge profits and send money home. SO then they borrow 10000 Dollars from friends and family with the story that they will pay this back in 3-4 months, and make a dangerous long journey to Europe.

When you try to explain things that for unskilled labour wages are 1500-2000 Euros maximum, and that not much is left at the end of the month after paying minimum 500-700 Euros in rent, paying 1,5 Euro for 1 liter of fuel, paying 30% income tax, paying 20% VAT on clothes or electronics, paying for health-car insurance, paying for car parking, paying high prices in supermarkets, then you see African people with a strange and empty look on their face. They think you're lying to stop them from coming to Europe.

They simply don't understand things like taxes because in Africa everybody scams the system, or they just don't want to understand.

The fact is that migrants, whether in the US, Britain or Europe, do the lowest paying most menial jobs that nationals of those countries refuse to do. Some are even worse off than if they stayed in their own countries. Then why do they not return home? Pride. I once witnessed at an airport in Colombia a young woman who was travelling to the US which was obviously her first trip. Her whole family and many relatives and friends came out to see her off. There was lots of crying, laughter and emotional outbursts seeing her off to immigration. The expectation is that she will send money back to them in Colombia. No way is she returning back home other than as a successful person on a temporary visit.

Msg to Admin: please do not delete some posts in a discussion, while letting racist posts still stand.

[blue]Use Report Post because Racist reports are not allowed.[/blue]

[QUOTE=Pistons;2468262]Msg to Admin: please do not delete some posts in a discussion, while letting racist posts still stand.

[blue]Use Report Post because Racist reports are not allowed.[/blue][/QUOTE]That's the stated policy. But it isn't always evenly enforced, if enforced at all.

Reply EL: I don t know about which racist post you are speaking about, but for me describing the reality has nothing to do with racism, for example 13% of the US people are black, this is a fact, today there are more black in jail than white, this is also a fact, may be you consider that being racist.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2468111] for unskilled labour wages are 1500-2000 Euros maximum[/QUOTE]LOL! What?

Do you have proof that only a small percentage of population pays for sex? Given the amount of sex workers and establishments in a country like Germany I think it's more common than you think, but not too many people will admit paying for sex. BTW, not all German states have banned prostitution due to Coronavirus.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2468749]Believe it or not, but opening FKK clubs so that a bunch of sex tourists can come monger and spread the virus. Is probably the LAST thing on the minds of German politicians. As for the local Germans: they are used to "following orders" and "blindly following politicians" so they won't wake up until it's too late.

On German boards, criticizing politicians is "verboten," and the way they are now deleting posts and banning people who dare criticizing the European (not just German) politicians for totally mishandeling the situation (and disrespecting the German constitution with totalitarian measures, is totally identical to the way they were deleting accounts and posts back in January-February when you mentioned Wuhan and the situation there, and voiced concerns that this will eventually also come to Europe and effect the FKK clubs. Back in January-February, I would like a post of someone who was concerned about the Wuhan virus, and a few hours later I would check to see what other people thought, but the post would be gone with a message that it was "off topic. " Hahaha! And when people would open a new thread, they would close the thread, saying something like "it has nothing to do with P6." And look at them now: everything closed for months and no end in sight.

Germans typically stick their heads into the sand when political trouble approaches (See their history of WW1, WW2, and the DDR), and they are doing the same now. They won't wake up until it's too late and their freedoms are gone, and FKK clubs and P6 are permanently forbidden because of "health reasons."[/QUOTE]

Bullshit

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2469200]Do you have proof that only a small percentage of population pays for sex? Given the amount of sex workers and establishments in a country like Germany I think it's more common than you think, but not too many people will admit paying for sex. BTW, not all German states have banned prostitution due to Coronavirus.[/QUOTE]So please tell us which German states are open? I'm sure a lot of horny Germans want to know!

[QUOTE=BaltiX;2469200]Bullshit[/QUOTE]I like how you back up your opinion with "convincing" and "intelligent" argumentation.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2469246]So please tell us which German states are open? I'm sure a lot of horny Germans want to know!

I like how you back up your opinion with "convincing" and "intelligent" argumentation.[/QUOTE]I m not German, but I think escorting work in Hessen, if not in NRW?

[quote]I m not German, but I think escorting work in Hessen, if not in.[/quote]Reply EL: Escort business is booming in most of European countries but still at high risk for me may be even higher than FKK, there is no control, no cleaning, nothing.