General Reports

Thank you very much for the report. It is well written and I merged your reports into a single pdf file to read and keep as a reference on my kindle during my visit to HKG. If anyone like to read.

I can email the pdf too.

The report of Sir L no doubt is excellent. One advise though needed. Is it safe to go to these places, given the fact that there was LE in Dec. 2013 on these kinds of appts?

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1701686]Thank you very much for the report. It is well written and I merged your reports into a single pdf file to read and keep as a reference on my kindle during my visit to HKG. If anyone like to read.

I can email the pdf too.[/QUOTE]

Day 7, Hong Kong to Guilin.

I woke early, did some last minute packing then said goodbye to the friendly ladies on reception. I took the MTR one stop to Hung Hom and then a 45 minute train ride to Luk Ma Chau on the border. Immigration was easy, just a quick flash of my passport at the Hong Kong side and then a quick form to fill at the Chinese side. The young immigration officer even cracked a smile, an unprecedented turn of events in my experience of immigration officers! I'd heard stories about Chinese over-officiousness so had to laugh when I saw signs above the queue that said 'do not talk'.

From Shenzhen I jumped on to my G class Express train to Guilin, which was spacious and extremely smooth, even when we reached speeds of 310 kph. I enjoyed looking out of the window as we left the smog of Szenzhen behind and the countryside shot past. I'm well traveled around Asia and the karst scenery as we approached Guilin surpassed anything I've seen in Krabi, Palawan or Halong Bay.

The journey took four hours which gave me ample time to review the six days I spent in Hong Kong.

I was happy that I'd concentrated my efforts on the 141 apartments as I think they represent the best value for money in Hong Kong. I was tempted to try the massage parlours K-Pressure and 37 Dundas, but was put off because I read that the selection of girls is average and also I don't like rejecting girls to their faces (by all accounts they are led in one by one). Plus at just over $500 HK the price was roughly the same as I was paying for girls in the 141 apartments anyway. The bars in Wan Chai seemed great fun but the prices are high.

The 141 apartment by comparison represent good value for money. $500 HK is more than fucking a girl in Amsterdam's Red Light District but by Hong Kong's standards, an affluent city full of well paid and lonely businessmen lest we forget, it's a reasonable price. I went with six girls and paid $500 HK on five occasions. Ironically the most I spent was $700 HK and the room was by far the worst and the only one without a shower! (You tend to pay a premium in Hong Kong for Japanese girls). The quality of girls in the apartments was excellent. I saw lots of girls and most were between 20 and 30 years old with slim, sexy bodies and pretty faces. Another huge plus point in my book is that I've never seen so much cleavage in my life! I've done a lot of mongering in Southeast Asia where typically the girls have small tits, so to see so many big natural breasts I thought I'd died and gone to boob heaven.

The six girls I went with were young and pretty and all provided excellent sex. They were eager to please too and happily tried as many positions as I wanted. Each experience typically lasted 45 minutes and either side of the sex I got to shower with the girl, always enjoyable. Most girls spoke at least a little bit of English.

There were a few negatives. Firstly only two of the six girls kissed, so the girlfriend experience was tricky to find. Secondly on the 141 website, which I scoured to find the prettiest girls, the photos were often out-of-date. It stands to reason. Apparently the girls pay $1,500 HK to be featured on the website for one month and for an additional fee the company can arrange for a photo-shoot to be done. Given the fact that they supply a make-up artist and there is a lot of post-production, like air-brushing, they must be expensive. So it's hardly surprising that the girls leave the photos up several years after they were taken (let's face it, something most of us are guilty of doing with our profile photos on social media!) I saw a few girls who were at least three or four years older than their photos.

But to be honest, half the fun was looking. As I said earlier in the trip, I love gogo bars and massage parlours but sometimes it all feels just too easy. I loved the treasure hunt aspect of wandering through these apartment blocks and the thrill of knowing that the girl you will end up fucking might be just around the corner. It felt sleazy and sometimes that's exactly what I want.

I visited seven apartments and my favourite was James S Lee Mansion in Tsim Shar Tsui. I liked the layout and there were lots of pretty girls. Fuji Building in Causeway Bay and Foremost Building in Jordan also had lots of girls. Phoenix had less girls but the quality was high. My advice to someone planning a trip would be to use the 141 website and work out where the big apartment blocks are located. Mark them all on a map and then if you go to one place and don't see a girl you like, you can go to another nearby. Hong Kong has lots of them so if you have two or three options within walking distance, you'll soon find a girl you like. The only other piece of advice I'd offer is second hand. When you are stood at a girls door, don't step inside until you have settled on a price. Once the door is closed, the girls will expect payment.

If I went to Hong Kong again, I'd change my tactics slightly. Firstly, without question, the prettiest girls are the 'young buddies'. There are some absolute honeys and typically you could fuck a 10/10 stunner, aged 19 or 20 with a models face and bra-bursting tits, for $1000 HK. It's expensive of course but some of these girls are really special and sometimes you've just got to treat yourself. I tried to book two, including one with F Cup breasts, but was unsuccessful since I don't speak a word of Mandarin. So if I decided to visit Hong Kong again I'd see if I could find someone who can speak Mandarin to make appointments on my behalf, either a local who I would pay a small fee to, or a member from the forum willing to help in exchange for a beer or two.

The other thing I'd do is utilise the 141 website more. I only used it to look at the pictures and then if I was interested, find out the girls location and price. But the website offers so much more, including listing the full range of services that each girl offers. For example, if I'd looked closer I'd have seen that on each girls profile it says whether they kiss or not. It also lists other services provided and some of these girls offer all kinds of weird and wonderful sexual acts, many of which I haven't tried before. I could have really broadened my horizons with a bit more research!

Whenever I go to a new place I always ask myself the question is it a viable alternative to Thailand and Philippines in terms of pay-for-play. I think Hong Kong is too expensive to be an alternative (especially for long-time) but it undoubtedly is an exciting place with lots of amazing girls. In future I may look to combine it with my trips to Thailand or Philippines. You don't need a visa to visit Hong Kong and numerous budget airlines operate flight from Hong Kong to Manila and Bangkok, so it's feasible to sample the delights of the 141 apartments for a week, then fly to Thailand or Philippines for lots of long-time sex at cheaper prices.

I arrived in Guilin and my hotel was cavernous in contrast to my rabbit hutch in Hong Kong. Over the next week I'd be conducting a whistle-stop tour of China, taking the Li River boat trip in Guilin, then on to Chengdu to see the pandas and finally Beijing to see the Great Wall. I couldn't come all this way without doing some touristy stuff.

Please note:

I will not be continuing this diary on the Guilin, Chengdu and Beijing threads. It takes so long for me to write, what you have been reading is actually a few weeks old. So I've already been to China and as predicted I didn't look for any girlie action as I was saving myself for Philippines (plus I felt too exhausted after all that sight-seeing!) There were a few windows of opportunity though. In Chengdu a young tour-guide gave me her number and said if I had any questions I should give her a call. I phoned her next night and we arranged a date but sadly due to reasons I won't go in to, it never happened. I think there are opportunities to score with local girls in these places, as well as tourists. In Beijing a gorgeous Japanese girl at Forbidden City wanted her photo taken with me because, and I quote, "you handsome man"! Haha. I enjoyed China as a tourist but have nothing to report in terms of mongering.

Footnote:

Thanks to people who have posted positive feedback and also big thanks to those people who answered my questions on here prior to my trip. Your help was very useful and enabled me to have a really memorable time in Hong Kong.

Finally if you'd like to continue reading, I will be posting the rest of my diary on the Manila and Angeles threads.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1701086]I think you are solving a problem that isn't actually the problem. Your argument doesn't do anything to rebut the claims of boorishness, of ill manners, or arrogance, of male superiority that all those yers of being an only son has created in the Chinese race. I respect the fact that as a half Chinese you may disagree strongly with my comments about the Chinese. But the facts as stated as commented by Sir L, and as seen daily by everyone living in China are there for all to see. The men are just lacking in social awareness and live in their own selfish bubble. As for me, I've been in Asia for 40 years so can't really comment on what happens in the west.[/QUOTE]Actually, I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was only saying that the way they treat women may be wrong, but also may be right. When you give women all the rights, freedoms, and respect, they will abuse it. I live and work and Shanghai, have been for a year, all the women treat the men like dogsh! T because they know the advantage is in their court (man to woman ratio). Go read the news article about the man who killed himself by jumping off of the mall building because his girlfriend wanted to shop for one more hour, after already doing so for 3 hours. The men carry the womens' bags and pay for everything. As a man, this is a sad sight to see, and I would never wish this upon my enemies.

The terrible manners and customs aren't really rooted from thousands of years of concubines or terrible patriarchy mentality. It's rooted in communism. Things like manners and spending time on trivial things such as courtesy were seen as western ideals and part of the bourgeoisie. They got rid of them, and needed to focus more on developing a new nation. I dislike it.

They are WGs. Sorry, but if you have thin skin, you're in the wrong business. That's like complimenting all of those Thai girls on stage while they do the Bangkok shuffle. I don't view it as cold. If anything, I'm not wasting anyone's time and misleading them into thinking I am interested. They become desensitized by it all in the long run. They treat their customers like walking wallets, why can't it be reciprocated when I'm the customer?

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1701096]TK, I found your post difficult to understand. Who is [B]We[/B]? Westerners? Europeans? Chinese? We don't know your background except that you are of mixed Asian ethnicity.

And I am unsure that if a society's men "treat our women well", then the women [B]should be thankful[/B]!? WTF!

In my experience, most Chinese men regard themselves as superior to women, and many are also extremely selfish and have no regard for the other parties in any sort of relationship, regardless of how transient. It's all Me! Me! Me! However, I do not believe that this is an outcome purely of the Chinese one-child policy.

BTW have posters noticed how very few Chinese girls are close to their fathers? They rarely speak of them although they may talk of wanting to help their mother. Over the years, a number of studies in different countries have concluded that girls without a close relationship with their father are attracted to older men. I totally agree, and have experienced this continually over the last 30 years or so.

I recommend that you can use the knowledge provided in the previous 2 paragraphs to your advantage when mongering or courting SYTs.

Again, like FF, I am relatively inexperienced in the recent ways of Western women, but your blanket criticism seems a bit harsh.

Ikksman.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I should have been more clear. I also shouldn't speak for everyone, just for myself. I'm an American, of Asian (Chinese / Vietnamese) ethnicity. Americans treat American women well, but American women treat the men like garbage. I've been to 17 countries, 2 SARs, and 1 territory, and I can tell you, I will probably never date another westerner. They're not worth the trouble or hassle.

Western women should be thankful that western men treat them so well. If they grew up or were born in another country, they won't take the treatment and advantages for granted. I couldn't believe how men would treat their women in poor countries. And they put up with it because they have no other choice. Western men are desirable because they treat women well.

I think Chinese men act the way they do, because they have to put up with a ton of crap before, during, and after marriage from Chinese women.

There are some tricks for ladies on the 141 sex site (Chinese version) - Yes, ladies pay a fee. But also can get bad reviews, and to get the review more positive the ladies pay a further fee.

I suppose it appeals for ladies who speak little English. But there are better options for these ladies.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;1701915]Day 7, Hong Kong to Guilin. snip ...
Thanks to people who have posted positive feedback and also big thanks to those people who answered my questions on here prior to my trip. Your help was very useful and enabled me to have a really memorable time in Hong Kong.[/QUOTE]I appreciate all the detailed info you provided. I am planning my trip to HK and Macau and your reports are right on point.

Enjoy yourself and safe travels.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;1701915]Day 7, Hong Kong to Guilin.
Thanks to people who have posted positive feedback and also big thanks to those people who answered my questions on here prior to my trip. Your help was very useful and enabled me to have a really memorable time in Hong Kong.
Finally if you'd like to continue reading, I will be posting the rest of my diary on the Manila and Angeles threads.[/QUOTE]I have to say a big "thank you" for all your interesting reports and will avidly follow your exploits in the Philippines.

As my HK reports in the past have indicated, I was always a sucker for the Wan Chai bars and of course paid the premium price. You have certainly given me food for thought for my next visit later in the year.

All the best.

The Daily Spa in TST has been well-covered. I just wanted to add a footnote about the provider Miki, who it seems is one of their regulars. I visited her yesterday. She's Japanese (convincingly) and looks a little older than some of the other Daily Spa girls.

Pros: nice massage, possibly the best ass I have seen / squeezed in a VERY long time.

Cons: Miki is all business. The reason I like Daily Spa (despite the very high expense) is that the girls I've had before have been reliable GFE. Playful, giggly, DFK or at least LFK. Not Miki. She doesn't exactly give you anything to complain about, but she's pretty cold, and doesn't like to be touched. Anywhere, really. The lack of DATY was a big deal for me. Daily Spa had previously been 100% for DATY, but Miki was not having that at all.

I shall still return, sometime when I've saved up enough money. But I shall definitely not be visiting Miki again.

I earlier wrote a small introduction of myself in the Shenzhen thread on how I first started my mongering carieer. So this being the HK thread I thought I would share a more detailed report. It won't be a report girl for girl since that would take way too much time to write since I met around 40 diffrent walk-in girls.

Anyway, here goes.

It took me about 3 days from that I found the 141 site until I would actually meet any girl. I had never ever payed a woman for sex before and I was real nervous. Many questions flew around in my head:

-Is this even legal? I had not done enough research at that time.

-Is it safe? Worried about scammers and gangsters etc.

-How to find these small little walk ups?

-And of course, the "walk of shame".

I finally found a curvy girl working in Mongkok on 141, very good location since it was maybe a 5 minute walk from my hotel. I booked a session and I went out try to look for the apartment. It took a while to find, had a few cigarettes and bought me a bottle of cold water while on my way. I felt very nervous and the weather was hot, I started to sweat. Great.

I found a very small entrance right in the middle of a main road (that I actually walked past many many times before without ever suspect being a one girl brothel building.) Got in the elevator and tried to calm myself down. I arrived at the floor and saw these famous pink lights while the walls had directions on how to find the rooms. I was going to room see. I quickly found it and knocked on the door. The door was opened by a sexy woman. Seemed like the girl in the pictures, nice curvy body, just the way I like it. Face was dissapointing though, maybe a 4 or a 5 at best. Never mind, I been wanting to this now for a few days and I did not had the energy to start all over again.

Had a smoke and talked to the woman for a few minutes before she told me that we should shower together. Very small bathroom / toilet, not very appealing to be honest. I mean how many people had actually been here before, but I talked myself out of thinking about this.

We made it to bed and I layed down on my back. Then it all started.

I was unable to finish the job because it was so damn hot in there. The bed was also too small so my knees kept banging into the wall. No problem she said and finished it off with a nice HJ. After that I had another smoke, relaxed a bit and then it was all over. Payed the 400 HKD and I left.

I had mixed emotions about this first experience. I felt quite ashamed of what I just have done but the excitement of being able to sit at home and search through the sites for the "perfect girl" kept me keep on looking.

The only reason I tried this was that I have had too many (free ones before and I had a real hard time to keep track of them, not enough energy to keep them all happy (chatting, dating, KTVs etc) and this, this was so easy! Usually I might have to spend a week or so chatting with a a woman I never met before, then the first date, then dinners, more chatting etc etc without even knowing what was hiding under those clothes. (he he).

Basically I did not want to waste too much time. And now I didn't have to.

I was hooked.

Even though these types of walk-ins had many negative aspects like:

-Too small rooms.

-Not very clean (at least that's what I thought).

-Too stressful at times, especially watching other men outside the doors on those monitors.

-A real gamble with meeting a "good one".

I kept on visiting girls from 141,161 and 148 and now I have met around 40 diffrent women using this method. Little by little I learn something new.

Some quick thoughts:

- Mostly women displayed on the sites have real pictures. However, many of those seem to be older pictures and of course photoshopped so do not have too high hopes judging from the pictures. 141 seems to have the most pictures that are real. 148 feels very similar but the 161 site, well I only tried 3 girls from that site and none of those pictures was real.

-Make sure to ask if the price is for 30 minutes or for 1 hour. Made this mistake a few times and thought I would get a full hour, but no.

-Of these 40 women I only met one 10 and one 9. The usual is between 5-7 I would say.

-I tried many diffrent areas around Kowloon. Jordan, Yau ma tei, Mongkok, Prince Edward and Sham shui po. Sham shui po has the most variety with loads of these girls. I would say quality wise (on the girls) the Mongkok and the Prince Edward area is the best. However, Mongkok rooms are very very small and which reflexts on the beds. I never been able to have a proper session in a Mongkok because the size of the bed. I never tried any girls in Tsim sha tsui or on the other side of the harbour yet though, so I can not speak on that.

-Of these 40, I have actually met around 10 of them outside of their job. Have had nice talks to some while half of them keep asking me to return and give me special deals (more relaxed and extra time after knowing them better) while the rest has actually given me free sex in my hotel regulary.

-Their job seem to be quite of free were they can decide themselves when to work and if they suddenly would want to leave their job they could do so. I had one session with a girl in Jordan and just after 30 minutes of talking (Of course some touching aswell) I asked her to take her for a meal. My intentions were for the future but she said "how about right now?" and start to get dressed. Wow I thought, that was quick. LOL.

-Usually toungekissing and extras are off limits if it is not mentioned in the advert but can come for free if the girl really likes you. Treat them with respect and they will treat you good back.

-I have been very dissapointed a few times, arriving after booking and then found out that the woman actually has a very poor attitude / try to cheat you with raising the price. Just walk out on them. No point is staying and if she keeps complaining that you can not leave without paying a small fee just give them 50 HKD to shut up and not to call their "security".

-Only once have a been cheated during / after the session. She asked to give me massage which I refused 4 times. After the session was done I relaxed and she started to massage me anyway. I thought it would be for free but no. It was not even a proper massage. I only had a 500 HKD note and wanted 100 HKD back when paying but she refused. She told me that I had to pay the massage aswell. WTH! After 5 minutes of discussion I got tired of the arguing so I left annoyed.

-After discovering this activity I did not really have the energy to keep contact with many of my free girls. I lost contact with many of them and they moved on to other adventures I guess. Which was a mistake. I guess the thrill took over me and I kind of regret it. It is fun for awhile but in the end I think it is just waste of money and time. At times I could take 1 or 2 days only to visit girls from these sites. It kind of got very intense, 6-7 girls on one day was not uncommon.

-Today haven't visited any 141 girls for over 2 months. It kinda feels like I been there and done that. With that said I probably visit a few more when the time comes (If they seem special). Right now I am saving courage to maybe visit a place with a real line up because I have never done that before so I guess I should try.

Sorry for the long post guys!

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;1701915]Day 7, Hong Kong to Guilin.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the meandering travel diary through HK. It is a nice read and guide for others. IMHO, think the stairs tired you out more.

[QUOTE=Aviator12;1701239]If you get inside during "happy hour" you can actually have a beer for around HKD 60

Neptune 3: This bar is sometimes empty and sometimes completely full. The main problem with this bar is the price of lady drinks (300 HKD). I have not seen this in other bars, so that is why I politely decline when the girls ask. And ask they will! This is the bar in HK with the most "pushy" girls. [/QUOTE]Based on my limited experience, some mates and I had $15 draft beers there last summer.

IMHO, Amazonia has the pushiest drink policy for girls and punters. Escape has the most hardcore girls. At night, the pros come out so it is a different game at all the bars. There are less real DH hanging out at night but they are around. I find the pretty ones usually have a bf; it just means the game is easier.

[QUOTE=Jackthelad2;1702203]I have [/QUOTE]He lives to troll another day!

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;1700216]Day 3, Hong Kong.

I really like Hong Kong. It's a modern city that feels different feel from other Asian cities I've visited. The streets are clean, there are no gaping holes in the pavements and I've yet to see a beggar or homeless person. Even the traffic seems civilised and there isn't the incessant honking of horns that forms the soundtrack to most Asian cities. My hotel might be in the backpacker area of Tsim Shar Tsui but shoppers still walk around with designer shopping bags while chatting on their smartphones. In fact I've never known people use their phones so much. I seem to be constantly swerving to avoid bumping in to people who are too busy tap-tap-tapping away on their phones to look where they are walking!

After a few hours of sightseeing I got back to my hotel and logged on to the 141 website. Lots of the better looking girls are known as 'Young Buddies' which means that their address isn't listed. Instead there is a phone number and you must call it to arrange an appointment. Some of them are stunners. I spotted one named Aiai in Kwun Tong who was cuteness personified. She was a 18 year old with a fashionable bobbed haircut and small breasts. On the other end of the spectrum I spotted a girl in San Po Kong with the biggest natural tits I have ever seen (F-cup no less!) She had a pretty face too, so I decided to try and book her for early evening. If she was anywhere near as spectacular as her pictures suggested, she'd be one to remember for a long time...[/QUOTE]Great report SL! A hell of a lot of good insight. Since you didn't have any luck with the 141 website due to the language barrier, does anyone have any suggestions on how to get past this? I have a slew of options I've written down for an upcoming trip and I'm hoping I don't get the hangup as well since I don't speak Mandarin.

Thanks!

N

[QUOTE=Boarer;1704500]{S N I P}He lives to troll another day![/QUOTE]I am extremely tolerant wrt bad spelling and grammar, but sometimes poor English can impart the wrong meaning or at least confuse the reader.

[B]Troll[/B]
One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers.
[SUP][url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll[/url][/SUP]

Perhaps "trawl" was the word intended to be used. Some (many?) readers would not pick this up, and thus the esteemed [I]JacktheLad2[/I] could hereafter be labelled a "troll" in the minds of those readers.

Or perhaps the writer deliberately labelled our [I]Lad[/I] as a "troll"? But who knows, unless the question is raised!

Other common potentially misleading errors include:
• Using the word "inciteful" when "insightful" was the intended meaning.
• Failing to distinguish between HKD and USD (or other $) - might be obvious to HK residents and frequent visitors, but . . .

Ikksman

I think the original poster was using "troll" as a verb, meaning to fish using a baited line, in which case the usage is not at all pejorative and refers only to trolling for companions.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1705404]I think the original poster was using "troll" as a verb, meaning to fish using a baited line, in which case the usage is not at all pejorative and refers only to trolling for companions.
GE.[/QUOTE]GE, I agree you are correct (I am not a fisherman). My mistake, as I immediately thought of the most common usage of the term on internet forums (unless it was an angling forum). Shows how easily ambiguity or lack of clarity can mislead.

I now have a vision of our [I]Lad[/I] trolling along Lockhart Street trailing a bright flashy dildo behind him.

Ikksman

[QUOTE=Aiii2;1704334]-Of these 40 women I only met one 10 and one 9. The usual is between 5-7 I would say.

-Of these 40, I have actually met around 10 of them outside of their job. Have had nice talks to some while half of them keep asking me to return and give me special deals (more relaxed and extra time after knowing them better) while the rest has actually given me free sex in my hotel regulary.
[/QUOTE]Which ones did you rate 9 and 10?

How do you pull off asking them out?