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[QUOTE=Craiova;1978900]Hmm I'm one of them here who don't know this very well, no on the contrary I have different experience for sure on the food evaluation. Best Frankfurt FKK clubs for food for many years are Palace and Mainhattan. Oase and Sharks are always far behind Palace and Mainhattan with food quality. And to call the Palace looker room dark and old and call Palace overall as old, sorry I have completely different experience. So far only about food and hardware.[/QUOTE]Interesting to hear this. Now you got me thinking. I get it that I didn't fully appreciate Palace since it just happened to be the last club to visit and by that time the novelty wore off. But the locker room was really dark. I wondered at the time. Lockers had a safe which was a nice feature but the entire lock mechanism came out of the door when I tried to use it. Also maybe Monday made the club really subdued and contributed to my entire impression.

I never use the safe at Palace. They have the small lockers for your phone and valuables. Totally sufficient. Palace has the best rooms. Best showers. Good food. Nice sauna with daily "Aufguss" every hour. Good coffee and real glasses for drinks. Nice staff. Downside are "just" the girls with their "varying service levels and pricing" plus low turnover and many older girls with silicone and tattoos.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1979269]I never use the safe at Palace. They have the small lockers for your phone and valuables. Totally sufficient. Palace has the best rooms. Best showers. Good food. Nice sauna with daily "Aufguss" every hour. Good coffee and real glasses for drinks. Nice staff. Downside are "just" the girls with their "varying service levels and pricing" plus low turnover and many older girls with silicone and tattoos.

HB.[/QUOTE]Interesting analysis. I wonder why the management of Palace would invest enough in their club to provide "best of class" facilities, but not care enough to make sure girls' quality is commensurately good enough. Are they not aware of their reputation or realize that they are potentially losing out on business due to the "poor quality girls" moniker they have been tagged with?

Is there a reason why good girls are averse to working at Palace? If you (not you personally, HB; more of a generic "you") were the management of Palace and were mandated to improve the quality of girls and service to be at least on par with Sharks and other Hessen clubs, what would you do?

I have always liked FKK especially Oase, for their decor, its much more cozy, Palace is small, but I rarely get upsells there for some reason. Sharks for me is so warehouse like and I don't quite like it. I have been to these places a few times, and I would not have much chance to visit Frankfurt again in near terms, how I wish I can get a job close to Germany, LOL, and not in this overpriced place called USA. Since I already made plans for Medellin in May, I don't think I have any holidays to go Germany, how I envy Europeans right now. This is my first trip to Medellin, so I hope the quality of girls in Medellin is on par or even prettier than the one in the FKK, hope they don't disappoint.

I can only visit Frankfurt again in the 11-14th of January 2018, and those dates, the lineup should improve. Righting?

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1979327]Interesting analysis. I wonder why the management of Palace would invest enough in their club to provide "best of class" facilities, but not care enough to make sure girls' quality is commensurately good enough. Are they not aware of their reputation or realize that they are potentially losing out on business due to the "poor quality girls" moniker they have been tagged with?[/QUOTE]They must be aware, they are also reading English or German boards. They don't seem to care or they do not think that it does have an effect on the number of clients visiting. If they do not see it in the revenue they are making, why change? Although I can hardly believe that, Palace was a good club years ago, quite busy all through the year, now it's busy during Messe with international clients.

HB.

My buddy monger really likes this one girl and repeated her many times and even took her out on "dates" a few times. She never asked for any extra and was always generous with free couch time. He thinks he can trust her. So, when she told him about her fathers' operation, he volunteered to help her out by sending a few thousand euros. He is happy about it but I think he is played. A semi-long con. I fear it will escalate. She invited him to visit Romania too.

Any similar story you can share to warn him that it's an old trick? How can he gracefully back out without further damage or possible blackmailing? Any advice?

She must have seen your friend coming a mile away.

[QUOTE=EnderW;1979915]

Any similar story you can share to warn him that it's an old trick? How can he gracefully back out without further damage or possible blackmailing? Any advice?[/QUOTE]Thousands. Just write if off and learn from it. Stop any contact. Done.

HB.

EnderW. This is a well established ploy. A clever girl knows how to play a long game.

I occasionally play a reverse game and appear vulnerable and soft for the girl: in 95% of cases the requests for money start surprisingly quickly. Tell your friend to test this for himself and he will have a queue of special girls who love him and have sick relatives and so on

The question for your friend is whether the money he is losing is well spent. After all, many men support their wives financially. HB is right in principle, but maybe it is worth it for your friend, provided he can ride a tiger.

These kind of stories are sometimes even true, although if one believes them all, then a big minority of the population of Romania seems to need an operation or chemotherapy every year

Backing out is easy: he just needs to tell her (and via the girl her "manager/agent/boyfriend) that he has lost his job and income.Unless he has given her access to his private life via facebook etc: unwise)

Me, I'd take up the invite to Romania if I were single :): I like life with a bit of bite!

Caution, caution, caution

[QUOTE=EnderW;1979915]
Any similar story you can share to warn him that it's an old trick? How can he gracefully back out without further damage or possible blackmailing? Any advice?[/QUOTE]The sick-relative scam is the classic long-con. Happens in FKK as well as online dating sites. Just google.

[URL]https://romancescams.wordpress.com/[/URL]

Typically they target men that are sweet, generous, innocent, and naive. They look for emotional vulnerability or someone that is desperately seeking "true love". Lonely, older men, recently divorced or recovering from an illness are common targets.

One extremely experienced, monger told me about a FKK girl that attempted to blackmail him. He was the last person I thought that would have fell for it, but it happens. He had spent thousands on her. This was a girl that was reputed for "good service". She didn't make the direct blackmail threat, suggesting it was not her idea, but that of her male accomplice. Other stories I've heard, are buying a house in Romania and starting a life together.

I suppose FKK offers some minimal deterrent, because the club maintains a copy of their passport on file. The potential score has to be big enough, because essentially the WG would disappear without a trace.

[QUOTE=Optimist;1980199] HB is right in principle, but maybe it is worth it for your friend, provided he can ride a tiger.

[/QUOTE]From what I read he's not in the driver's seat and would be eaten by the tiger. So better do what O suggested: Tell her you got fired and are broke.

HB.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;1980205]The sick-relative scam is the classic long-con. Happens in FKK as well as online dating sites. Just google.

[URL]https://romancescams.wordpress.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]Wow- people actually get killed. Now I picture him kept against his will in Romania and forced to empty his bank account then killed.

Optimism- I don't think he is a tiger rider. He will die from a first bite, a nibble.

BB- yeah, I told him that. He is in denial and thinks he can read people. He thinks he is a hero not a victim.

HB. That's what I have been telling him. I will force him to look at this forum. He has refused so far somehow thinking he is not a monger like me. Yeah, he is smart but naive.

The girl in question is reputed here to be GFE and sweet. While he thinks she really is personally into him. That makes her a very skilled GFE provider and makes him a total dork. She did send him a pic of her Romanian ID card when he wired her money and he thinks that is a sign of real trust. Also he told me she refused his last offer to help her and told me that's an evidence that he is not scammed. To me that seems like a clever long con player.

I will convince him to stay away from Romania. I don't want to read about him in a news article.

[QUOTE=Optimist;1980199]
I occasionally play a reverse game and appear vulnerable and soft for the girl: in 95% of cases the requests for money start surprisingly quickly. [/QUOTE]That's not the reverse game Optimist; that's the originally game speeded up. (but I understand what you're saying; trying to induce a bite).

The reverse game would be, "My dad needs an operation. How about a freebie?"

Personally speaking, I would be more skeptical about visiting Romania. As in most third world countries, law and order is functional only on paper, and I heard that a foreigner that doesn't speak the local tongue could be easily cornered and robbed. Perhaps I am wrong, but I would not feel secure.

Speaking of blackmailing, British media was full of stories about this multimillionaire who got convicted of killing his escort GF. Apparently he was paying 10 grand a week / month, but got jealous when he tapped her phone and heard her telling a friend that she planned to leave to leave him and also blackmail him for a large sum. What a sad story, I heard he was worth 20 mil. Now, locked up for life. He could have bought Sharks and Oase for that amount and have his own personal harem every night, if only he did not obsess about one single hooker.

[QUOTE=CitizenKane;1980218]That's not the reverse game Optimist; that's the originally game speeded up. (but I understand what you're saying; trying to induce a bite).

The reverse game would be, "My dad needs an operation. How about a freebie?"[/QUOTE]The real reverse game would be "hey babe, my father needs a surgery and I need to send him money. Can you wire me some money? I will pay you back with long rooms next time I see you."