FKK Artemis - Berlin

[QUOTE=MrHo;2116253]So they use condom BJ at Artemis now?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=TheCane;2116275]Well that always changes minds doesn't it? Some of these tutes could really learn a thing or two about successful sales tactics. Some people here are always making excuses for the girls no matter what, but there are no excuses for this type of behaviour, and all it does it put off the clients.[/QUOTE]Some seniors / regulars at Artemis might see completely different side (nicer side) of these girls and probably they won't understand their rudeness to others. Does not matter if they defend them or not, but most of the girls in Artemis are getting rude to non regulars. Two years ago I used to come here thinking that this is a place where I can feel like a God and think that I can choose from tons of absolute beauties who are just dying to have me (I know it is not the truth, but nothing wrong in feeling that when the girls enabled you to image that). But these days I cannot have that imaginary fantasy anymore here at least at Artemis. The girls do not anymore enable me to think that I am a GOD and they all are there to please me. No disrespect to girls, but Artemis lost its high rating in my opinion. There is a lot of negative thing about only CBJ rule. Yes this is little negative and adds to the overall bad things going on in other aspects.

I will from now on have high preference to travel to either Sharks or Vienna instead of travelling to Berlin. At least until the Artemis staff tries to do something with the quality and manners of the girls.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2116388]Artemis, girls don't care much about clients as repeat client are an insignificant portion of visitors. The girls have really bad attitude and don't treat clients as graciously as in the Frankfurt area clubs. The good girls there are girls that come from the clubs in the other side of the country. That said, they also get a bit spoiled in that environment, knowing that they can do a lot less and get a lot more.[/QUOTE]Danny,

I managed to still get girl with decent behavior. The shocking thing for me was to see that few girls rejecting Asian guys. I can understand that they have a right to choose and decide, but the guys were looking decent and approached the girl in a decent way. I did not understand why few girls consistently said no to them. Curiosity was killing me, so I went and asked them, these guys said that they are first timers to the club, so there was no history for the girls to behave like this. I do not know if they have a blacklist of countries to say no. But I was not expecting it, and was disturbed by this. I do not know if this is same in other clubs.

Like I said, the girls are humans and have right to say no, but just not based on country of origin, that is racism.

[QUOTE=NorskKing;2116472]Danny,

I managed to still get girl with decent behavior. The shocking thing for me was to see that few girls rejecting Asian guys. I can understand that they have a right to choose and decide, but the guys were looking decent and approached the girl in a decent way. I did not understand why few girls consistently said no to them. Curiosity was killing me, so I went and asked them, these guys said that they are first timers to the club, so there was no history for the girls to behave like this. I do not know if they have a blacklist of countries to say no. But I was not expecting it, and was disturbed by this. I do not know if this is same in other clubs.

Like I said, the girls are humans and have right to say no, but just not based on country of origin, that is racism.[/QUOTE]The point eludes you. However, I will entertain this for a second, What is decent and who wants it? But even so, the probability of finding decent in Artemis is much lower than not so otherwise emphasized touristic clubs.

As for the Asians, who knows why the girl didn't go, sometimes they just don't feel like it, they are essentially human, you know. In addition, the girls can reject you on any basis as it is not illegal to be racist and it is not illegal to boycott an entire country, but that is a completely unrealistic assumption, this girls love money and they don't care about your origin, just about your money.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2116253]So they use condom BJ at Artemis now?[/QUOTE]Yes, they do for a few month. It was more strict before and it gets more relaxed now, but not for clients they don't know. Artemis as a club is more strict about this than other clubs and some girls make there money anyway, so CBJ is a gift for them and they don't do without for anyone. I had one of my regulars tell me that she will never do without again as long as she is making money this way. Some girls are still super, but also lots are on vacation now, so it is a good time to assess the situation.

[QUOTE=NorskKing;2116472]Danny,

I managed to still get girl with decent behavior. The shocking thing for me was to see that few girls rejecting Asian guys. I can understand that they have a right to choose and decide, but the guys were looking decent and approached the girl in a decent way. I did not understand why few girls consistently said no to them. Curiosity was killing me, so I went and asked them, these guys said that they are first timers to the club, so there was no history for the girls to behave like this. I do not know if they have a blacklist of countries to say no. But I was not expecting it, and was disturbed by this. I do not know if this is same in other clubs.

Like I said, the girls are humans and have right to say no, but just not based on country of origin, that is racism.[/QUOTE]I know 2-3 Artemis girls who usually say no to over 50% of the clients asking them. Not going to name names, but they just don't feel like working that much and handpicks their clients. It doesn't seem to be race related tough. But perhaps money related or other factors.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2116732]Yes, they do for a few month. It was more strict before and it gets more relaxed now, but not for clients they don't know. Artemis as a club is more strict about this than other clubs and some girls make there money anyway, so CBJ is a gift for them and they don't do without for anyone. I had one of my regulars tell me that she will never do without again as long as she is making money this way. Some girls are still super, but also lots are on vacation now, so it is a good time to assess the situation.[/QUOTE]Well then, bye bye Artemis, there are so many other nicer clubs in Germany and if Germany is down, we can go to many nations next which offer same FKK set up.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2116732]Yes, they do for a few month. It was more strict before and it gets more relaxed now, but not for clients they don't know. Artemis as a club is more strict about this than other clubs and some girls make there money anyway, so CBJ is a gift for them and they don't do without for anyone. I had one of my regulars tell me that she will never do without again as long as she is making money this way. Some girls are still super, but also lots are on vacation now, so it is a good time to assess the situation.[/QUOTE]Will be in Berlin with an evening I could spend at Artemis. Guess I'll skip, find a good restaurant and spend my money and sperm elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Danny227;2116725]The point eludes you. However, I will entertain this for a second, What is decent and who wants it? But even so, the probability of finding decent in Artemis is much lower than not so otherwise emphasized touristic clubs.

As for the Asians, who knows why the girl didn't go, sometimes they just don't feel like it, they are essentially human, you know. In addition, the girls can reject you on any basis as it is not illegal to be racist and it is not illegal to boycott an entire country, but that is a completely unrealistic assumption, this girls love money and they don't care about your origin, just about your money.[/QUOTE]I do not have that much experience in Artemis like others. Just been there like a dozen times in total. What you said logically makes sense of what girls in club want and why they are there. But like I mentioned before, that I never experienced this before. I mostly saw girls very receptive. I clearly see a change. The logical explanation you gave is valid, but the girls seems to be applying this recently. I hope I am wrong, since I do not want fewer options of clubs I can access. But clearly Artemis is no go for me for some time to come. Ill try Vienna and Singapore for my next trips.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2116910]I know 2-3 Artemis girls who usually say no to over 50% of the clients asking them. Not going to name names, but they just don't feel like working that much and handpicks their clients. It doesn't seem to be race related tough. But perhaps money related or other factors.[/QUOTE]If girls have that much option that they can say no to 50% of clients and hand pick them. Then I will be super cautious to approach a girl in public, just out of fear of embarrassment of rejection in a place lime this. If I want rejections I can approach girls outside the club without paying entrance fee. I don't mwan anything negative to girls. Good for them that this club is turning out to be in their favor, but I don't want to pay big entry fee for this. Smaller clubs in Nuremberg have 15 to 30€ entry fee. Yes fewer options with girls but they will for sure NOT say no to anyone.

[QUOTE=NorskKing;2117348]If girls have that much option that they can say no to 50% of clients and hand pick them. Then I will be super cautious to approach a girl in public, just out of fear of embarrassment of rejection in a place lime this. If I want rejections I can approach girls outside the club without paying entrance fee. I don't mwan anything negative to girls. Good for them that this club is turning out to be in their favor, but I don't want to pay big entry fee for this. Smaller clubs in Nuremberg have 15 to 30 entry fee. Yes fewer options with girls but they will for sure NOT say no to anyone.[/QUOTE]It's only 2-3 girls that I know of out of 3-400 Artemis girls throught the last 5 years. No idea what their real reasons for it is. But they have the looks and can choose I guess.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2116910]I know 2-3 Artemis girls who usually say no to over 50% of the clients asking them. Not going to name names, but they just don't feel like working that much and handpicks their clients. It doesn't seem to be race related tough. But perhaps money related or other factors.[/QUOTE]Geraldine only goes with regulars after her second or third year, she learnt the game LOL.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2116910]I know 2-3 Artemis girls who usually say no to over 50% of the clients asking them. Not going to name names, but they just don't feel like working that much and handpicks their clients. It doesn't seem to be race related tough. But perhaps money related or other factors.[/QUOTE]The "good" girls in Artemis have a gazillion options and no fear of repeat customers or reviews. In Artmis, all they need is one or two good sessions and the day is over. Tourists drink more and they come horny, hence a better prey. They go for the easy money and if they think you won't spend enough and might be hard work, next!

[QUOTE=NorskKing;2117348]If girls have that much option that they can say no to 50% of clients and hand pick them. Then I will be super cautious to approach a girl in public, just out of fear of embarrassment of rejection in a place lime this. If I want rejections I can approach girls outside the club without paying entrance fee. I don't mwan anything negative to girls. Good for them that this club is turning out to be in their favor, but I don't want to pay big entry fee for this. Smaller clubs in Nuremberg have 15 to 30 entry fee. Yes fewer options with girls but they will for sure NOT say no to anyone.[/QUOTE]I rarely ever approach a girl in a club. That's not out of a fear of rejection, but more along the lines of what you said about not wanting to feel like your dealing with girls in a "regular" setting. I don't want to spend my time running around going up to different girls just because I don't feel like it LOL! Like you say, if I want to do that, then stay outside of an FKK club! I'm not interested in working at it. I want to relax and enjoy myself. And I'm not going to do that if I feel like I have to keep going up to this girl and that one essentially asking them if they want to fuck.

Now, what I have found is that in fact I don't need to approach girls in the FKK clubs. Many, many, many approach me. More than I could ever fuck due to both financial and stamina reasons LOL! So, I let them approach, and I the monger choose. This is how it should be! Now, the only time I will assertively pursue a tute is if I see one that I just got to have! That usually happens only with one girl per trip. I usually will only see one who will bring out the "hunter" in me. Last time, that one just happened to be "Lilia" who was working at Artemis. No, she's not Wonder Woman with magical powers, but I wanted her based on her looks alone. And she turned out to give me some awesome sessions!

Everybody has their own way of doing things in the clubs. Some guys get annoyed with constant approaches from the girls. I do not as long as they are nice and courteous about it and can graciously accept a "no thank you" from me. It's only when they cop a "tude" or start getting shitty about it that I don't like it and just may decide to give them some attitude back. They are in the sales business! Learn how to accept "no" and move on!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2116997]Well then, bye bye Artemis, there are so many other nicer clubs in Germany and if Germany is down, we can go to many nations next which offer same FKK set up.[/QUOTE]True, I guess we'll see how it goes, sometimes there's still no choice.

[QUOTE=NorskKing;2117345]What you said logically makes sense of what girls in club want and why they are there. The logical explanation you gave is valid, but the girls seems to be applying this recently.[/QUOTE]What we have to remember is that when it comes to people, logic often does not rule the day! After all, we're humans not Vulcans. And humans are emotional beings. Those emotions normally lead to people doing illogical things. I mean, if a tute wants to earn the most money possible, and I would bet my own last dollar that the overwhelming number of them would say that they do, well then they wouldn't do things like turn somebody away based on race, color, or nationality. But we all know that some girls do that. Logic says take the money-making opportunity if making the most money possible is what you want to do. But then some emotion that comes from somewhere says I don't want to go with that type of guy, whatever the reason. So, it's all well and good to make it seem as though logic (take the money) drives a tute's choices in this. It sounds all nice and neat, but that's just not true. Human behavior is much, much more complex than that, often leading to irrational choices and behavior.

Consider the pricing structure at GT and the impact that has on tute behavior. Actually, I don't know if it's still true or not, but at GT the pricing structure was such that for a basic session it was 50 euros for the first half hour, then 25 euros for the second half hour, or 75 euros for an hour. Well, a lot of the girls didn't want to do hour-long sessions because they felt like they would be shorted 25 euros. They would rather do back-to-back hour long sessions with two different customers and make 100 euros on the hour versus stick with one customer for an hour and only make 75 euros. Sounds logical. Right? Until you realize that most of these girls couldn't line up back-to-back sessions with different customers! Works great for a really popular, high-demand girl who is constantly going to the room. But most of the girls would spend a substantial amount of time leaning against the wall waiting for another trick! They weren't lining up back-to-backs, and in fact would have earned more money by making that extra 25 euros for the second half hour with the same customer versus waiting for an elusive opportunity to make 50 euros over a second half hour with another customer. If making the most money was what they desired, then that would have been the most logical thing to do. But no, they were making the choice to pass up that extra money-making opportunity all because their emotions were telling them I'm getting shorted 25 euros. Not seeing the forest for the trees due to emotions!

Now, I'm not saying that illogical tute choices are "wrong" per se. That's often a personal determination based on a particular set or facts or circumstances. The main point I'm trying to make is that although the girls obviously want to make a lot of money, because they are human beings just like everybody else, they will often make irrational, emotion-based decisions that actually limit their money-making opportunities versus expanding them. That's my central point. I remember I met one tute at Mainhattan years ago who didn't want to go with any married mongers. If you want to make the most money, then logic would say fuck the married guys too, who make up a significant part of the monger population. Thought to myself, "She won't last long". And she didn't either. But, at least I got to smash that pale, milk white, redhead ass! LOLOLOL!