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[QUOTE=Takedown;1980676]So for Ender and his friend, I emphasize that even a working girl, l who may authentically like you, may have situations at home that put them in bad spots. Combine that with the fact that they see people do so many questionable things on a daily basis, that undoubtedly influences their decision making. If you fall into the trap of thinking that these girls will make decisions like you or I, or even a "normal" girl, you will be making decisions based on incorrect assumptions.[/QUOTE]Yeah, you are right. We make assumptions based on our own biases, where and how we were raised etc, and what normal to us probably does not apply to these girls more often than not. I don't even get "normal girls" so there is no danger there even if I think WGs are normal girls. On the other hand, my buddy believes in a universal language of love. A hopelessly romantic moron.

[QUOTE=Takedown;1980383]From abusive parents / boyfriends, parents / boyfriends who sold them, to pimps, scam artists, and even pure killers, these girls are exposed to more evil underbellies than you will ever see so their ability to be heartless will show itself in the end. [/QUOTE]Well put. I struggle to remind myself of this. It is the reality that I'm trying to get away from when I'm in the fantasy of the club.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;1980809]Well put. I struggle to remind myself of this. It is the reality that I'm trying to get away from when I'm in the fantasy of the club.[/QUOTE]Not to get too off-topic (apologies in advance), but I'm reminded of this woman from the states. Pretty, good background, CEO father, left her Seeking Arrangement client, a father of 5, to die of a heroin overdose that she injected. Yeah, it's a dangerous world out there.

[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3088278/Prostitute-pleads-guilty-overdose-death-Google-exec.html[/URL]

[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2689370/Hell-Love-Inside-toxic-world-CEO-daughter-turned-call-girl-killer-Alix-Tichelman.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Takedown;1980383]The amount of money lost was justified as we had a six month fling with no major expensive gifts bought and no prior money given. Heck she even bought me gifts!.[/QUOTE]Sounds like what you had was at least for a temporary time "real", but just responding here as a warning to others. You mention the duration of the relationship ("six months") and the fact that she gave you gifts. Neither of these two things can definitively prove that a WG did not have intentions to scam from the very start.

"The fraudsters have shown that they are willing to develop the relationship over an extended period of time. This increases the trust level between the victim and the fraudster which results in the potential victim usually losing more money. ".

"The fraudster will gain the trust of the victim through displays of affection. In some cases will send gifts, flowers and tokens to prove that their feelings are genuine. ".

[URL]http://www.antifraudcentre-centreantifraude.ca/fraud-escroquerie/romance-rencontre-eng.htm[/URL]

[QUOTE=EnderW;1980431]I am a bit jealous of my buddy to have any girl (WG or not) makes him feel the way he is feeling even knowing it could possibly be a well run con. If a price of entry is not too dear, I want to see how it's like. And hence another reason he is not listening to me. He thinks I am just jealous of him.[/QUOTE]Life is about risks. If you truly think there is something there between you and a WG, then you should pursue it. There is an off-chance that the WG could be the one that ultimately retires you from your mongering career. Just know when to cut your losses.

Doesn't surprise me that your friend would not listen. Emotions always cloud judgement. All scammers (and good salesman) know this. They want the victim to be completely emotionally invested (thereby disengaging the logical part of the brain). Scams ultimately operate on the victim's greed or lust. If the victim desperately wants to believe something, then they will believe it and ignore all red flags. Your friend's greed here is that he wants more than just the monger-WG relationship.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;1980850]Life is about risks. If you truly think there is something there between you and a WG, then you should pursue it. There is an off-chance that the WG could be the one that ultimately retires you from your mongering career. Just know when to cut your losses.

Doesn't surprise me that your friend would not listen. Emotions always cloud judgement. All scammers (and good salesman) know this. They want the victim to be completely emotionally invested (thereby disengaging the logical part of the brain). Scams ultimately operate on the victim's greed or lust. If the victim desperately wants to believe something, then they will believe it and ignore all red flags. Your friend's greed here is that he wants more than just the monger-WG relationship.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I think it comes down to me thinking this is a wrong place to look for real love and he believes finding a true love in a place like this makes it more special- a some kind of destiny. I believe he is destined to be screwed in more ways than he bargained for but he thinks that's the risk he is willing to take for something "precious".

[QUOTE=McAdonis;1980840]Sounds like what you had was at least for a temporary time "real", but just responding here as a warning to others. You mention the duration of the relationship ("six months") and the fact that she gave you gifts. Neither of these two things can definitively prove that a WG did not have intentions to scam from the very start.

"The fraudsters have shown that they are willing to develop the relationship over an extended period of time. This increases the trust level between the victim and the fraudster which results in the potential victim usually losing more money. ".

"The fraudster will gain the trust of the victim through displays of affection. In some cases will send gifts, flowers and tokens to prove that their feelings are genuine. ".

[URL]http://www.antifraudcentre-centreantifraude.ca/fraud-escroquerie/romance-rencontre-eng.htm[/URL][/QUOTE]Well, when my wife of 20+ years, then girlfriend, got pregnant when we were dating, I did not think I was scammed but if you look at it with a club context, you can say that I got scammed out of hundreds of thousands of dollars with a well planned long con that is still ongoing with increasingly diminishing return for me. Am I not a victim of a crime only because it happened in a socially accepted context of the "real" world?

Things are getting philisophical here. One of my fav philosopher once said.

"Mama always said life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get. ".

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1980791]I've personally visited quite a number of cities in Romania, all positive experiences. I found everyone to be quite friendly. Food is cheap there, even at nice restaurants. I was surprised at how low my food bills were, even when ordering lots of food.

After flying into Bucharest, I recommend driving out to Constanta, by the Black Sea. The neighboring resort town, Mamaia, is worth a visit if beach vacations are your thing. Another good option I would recommend is a visit to the mountains, especially in the winter. For example, from Bucharest, it is an easy drive to Brasov, where you can visit Dracula's castle (that is, the Bran castle, among other castles). Also good for snow skiing or snowboarding if that is your thing. The saunas there are also nice (at least the ones outside the city; the one in the center of the city can be full of kids, which can be annoying). And no, I am not talking about sauna clubs like in NRW, just regular saunas with nice swimming pools and regular massage (sorry, not the naughty kind). Anyways, lots to see and do there. In Bucharest, I recommend visiting the old town, especially in the evening -- so many nicely dressed young ladies bustling about!

Getting around Romania is easy. I would recommend renting a car for convenience, although just be aware that renting a car is unusually expensive in Romania (when factoring in the car rental insurance that all guidebooks recommend taking when in Romania for various reasons).

Of course, visiting Romania is even nicer if you take one of your little Romanian sweethearts with you as a local guide, highly recommended![/QUOTE]UH,

You are the guy that I was looking for. Someone visited Costanza. Every year I go to Odesa. And I am very curious how is Costanza compared to Odesa. I mean m / f ratio. Girls attitude. Overall.

[QUOTE=EnderW;1979915]Any similar story you can share to warn him that it's an old trick?[/QUOTE]EnderW,

I had a similar encounter like your friend.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1617862[/URL]#post1617862.

When the woman start asking for extra money with strange reasons, I stop our relationship right away.

In recent years, I come up with a fast way to test whether a woman is approaching me for true love or for money.

I will tell the woman I am bankrupted due to a business failure, so there is no savings in the bank anymore.

Plus, tell her the only thing I have is a house, a car, and a middle-classed job (E. G, a high school math teacher or whatever job that is not considered high-paid).

See the woman's reaction.

If she starts losing interests in me. Then, she is just for money, which is always the case. It is better to cut off the relationship with her anyway.

If she remains the same enthusiasm and keeps approaching me. Then, probably she is for true love, but this never happens.

[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1981332]
In recent years, I come up with a fast way to test whether a woman is approaching me for true love or for money.

I will tell the woman I am bankrupted due to a business failure, so there is no savings in the bank anymore.

Plus, tell her the only thing I have is a house, a car, and a middle-classed job (E. G, a high school math teacher or whatever job that is not considered high-paid).

See the woman's reaction.
[/QUOTE]"A house, a car and a middle-class job" is already more than enough for any gold digger from Eastern Europe, duh! 🙄.

Do you really think working (girls are that dumb? They have a built in radar for MONEY and they'll quickly figure out that someone with a "business failure" and "no savings in the bank anymore" or someone with " a middle-class job" is not really telling the complete truth if he is paying hundreds if not thousands of Euros for pussy.

Besides, please define"true love?" WTF?! In an FKK club? "True love?!" 🙄 😂 Are you kidding us, and/or yourself?

[QUOTE=EnderW;1981008]
Well, when my wife of 20+ years, then girlfriend, got pregnant when we were dating, I did not think I was scammed but if you look at it with a club context, you can say that I got scammed out of hundreds of thousands of dollars with a well planned long con that is still ongoing with increasingly diminishing return for me. Am I not a victim of a crime only because it happened in a socially accepted context of the "real" world?[/QUOTE]It takes two to tango. She didn't just "get pregnant"; she got pregnant because someone fucked her. Probably you. You make it sound like she intentionally got pregnant against your will in order to scam you. Yes, this does happen, but if you didn't want a child, why were no precautions taken? Or did she take your load in her mouth and surreptitiously stuff it in her pussy?

I am going to be in Frankfurt in two weeks. I have 2 simple questions.

1) are BBBJs still standard in all FKKs?

2) which FKKs are best for public sex?

I am looking to visit Oase, Sharks and maybe World.

Thanks.

Reading last few pages regarding the discussion of a punter thinking that they have something "special with a girl".

May I suggest googling for SAAFE forum (British prostitutes forum) and reading the thread "Sugar Daddies and related arrangements". The subject of that thread is very different than what was discussed in the last pages of this thread but it reveals the mindset of the average prostitute. I recommend reading that thread whenever you feel you have become friend or something more with a prostitute.

Let me quote two examples from that thread:

1:"No complaints here. The more money thrown my way for doing basically nothing, the better;

I had one follower on facebook who (I assume) didn't know I was stripping / escorting who would deposit £40-60 into my bank account whenever I asked him for some, all because he fancied me more than anything it was his way of trying to pull me. I got minimum £1 k off him before I met him, I made him the happiest man in the world just for a 5 minute shag after he progressively gave me over £1 k. Yep, more men like that please, roll up roll up!

2:Years ago I agreed to spend a whole weekend with a client. He paid me £1000 and took me shopping spent about £500 on presents trying to woo me into 'falling in love' with him. And he was there pretending 'its not about the sex'. So we only shagged twice: it was the longest weekend of my life and I couldn't wait to get back to my real boyfriend, I still had the receipts so took most of the stuff back LOL".

Now I am not saying all working girls are scammers (in examples from above the customer / man, could be hardly called blameless) but fundamentally their profession is about selling men fantasies. And many of them become very, very good at it.

And large portion of those "nice, service minded" girls as someone already mentioned here are masters of getting "gifts". I had sessions with girls bragging of customers getting them new Iphones and even one of them got new car from one of her customers.

And they are experts of finding ways to make you feel special. "Damsel in distress" (that needs money) is regular routine for some of those girls.

Just ask yourself. Why the hell would average FKK girl having Louis vuitton designer bag need money from you?

[QUOTE=SvenFKK;1981478]It takes two to tango. She didn't just "get pregnant"; she got pregnant because someone fucked her. Probably you. You make it sound like she intentionally got pregnant against your will in order to scam you. Yes, this does happen, but if you didn't want a child, why were no precautions taken? Or did she take your load in her mouth and surreptitiously stuff it in her pussy?[/QUOTE]I agree with your sentiment in general.

However there are still sizable minority of men who end up with a kid due to girl "forgetting" p-pill or p-pill "not working".

Sometimes it is OK (kid would come in anyway down the road) but I know personally of two cases where pregnancy was used as tool from the girl to cement the relationship. Not surprisingly in both cases they did not "live happily ever after".

I am not saying this happens all the time but unfortunately it happens now and then but it is not condemned by the society.

Or just go to any bar frequented by the singles and you will see plenty of girls flirting with men so that the men will buy drinks for them. Again. Totally accepted by the society (bragging about it in both cases is not socially accepted though). Heck. I got pretty blond on my work that is all smiles (and even use different, more sexy tone) whenever she wants something from me (or other men).

I am not saying women scam man whenever they can. But certainly women using looks to get benefits from men is tacitly accepted by society.

[QUOTE=EnderW;1981008]Yeah, I think it comes down to me thinking this is a wrong place to look for real love and he believes finding a true love in a place like this makes it more special- a some kind of destiny. I believe he is destined to be screwed in more ways than he bargained for but he thinks that's the risk he is willing to take for something "precious".

Well, when my wife of 20+ years, then girlfriend, got pregnant when we were dating, I did not think I was scammed but if you look at it with a club context, you can say that I got scammed out of hundreds of thousands of dollars with a well planned long con that is still ongoing with increasingly diminishing return for me. Am I not a victim of a crime only because it happened in a socially accepted context of the "real" world?[/QUOTE]I'm surprised when reading guys who compare wife, mother of children, with WGs who go with guys for money. We may not have same life experiences, but even I look for GF illusion, I can't understand guys who look for love with prostitutes fucked all day for money. I thought it was only for Romanian guys or Turkish pimps with German WGs, because they have money interest, it's not what I call real love, these girls prefer money.