American Politics

I am sorry. But this is the worst idea ever for a forum on a mongering site. I come here to get away from "American Politics" and enjoy, albeit vicariously, other peoples adventures in this time of containment. Read the first page. Carry on! .

[QUOTE=Crypton;2451744]I am sorry. But this is the worst idea ever for a forum on a mongering site. I come here to get away from "American Politics" and enjoy, albeit vicariously, other peoples adventures in this time of containment. Read the first page. Carry on!.[/QUOTE]If you don't want to read this material.

Then read the other threads and don't read this one.

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"We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. " Trump, in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity, when asked how concerned he was about the coronavirus on February 2nd.

"Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away. I hope that's true. But we're doing great in our country. China, I spoke with President Xi, and they're working very, very hard. And I think it's going to all work out fine. " Trump, at a campaign rally in Manchester, and. H. On February 10th.

"In our country, we only have, basically, 12 cases and most of those people are recovering and some cases fully recovered. So it's actually less." Trump, in an interview with Geraldo Rivera the very next day on February 11th.

"The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!" -- said a clueless Donald Trump on February 24th.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2451590]The [B]only[/B] thing anybody needs to know is that the USA has 4.5% of the world's population and 28% of the world's COVID-19 deaths.[/QUOTE]Assuming you believe the numbers coming from other countries! Like China's 4. 5 k with a hard and abrupt stop. 😁.

You Democrats have had 4 years to prepare for November and the best you can come up with is an old pervert with dementia that lies much worse than Trump. You better get used to it or you could always move to a country more accommodating to your needs, like Somalia.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2451752]"We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. " Trump, in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity, when asked how concerned he was about the coronavirus on February 2nd.

"Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away. I hope that's true. But we're doing great in our country. China, I spoke with President Xi, and they're working very, very hard. And I think it's going to all work out fine. " Trump, at a campaign rally in Manchester, and. H. On February 10th.

"In our country, we only have, basically, 12 cases and most of those people are recovering and some cases fully recovered. So it's actually less." Trump, in an interview with Geraldo Rivera the very next day on February 11th.

"The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!" -- said a clueless Donald Trump on February 24th.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2451590]The [B]only[/B] thing anybody needs to know is that the USA has 4.5% of the world's population and 28% of the world's COVID-19 deaths.[/QUOTE]Hey, what can I say. America First!

[QUOTE=Crypton;2451744]I am sorry. But this is the worst idea ever for a forum on a mongering site. I come here to get away from "American Politics" and enjoy, albeit vicariously, other peoples adventures in this time of containment. [/QUOTE]Then why would you clicking on and read through an opinion thread titled "American Politics"?

You must be a very 'special' thinking person.

[QUOTE=Beavis;2451798]You Democrats have had 4 years to prepare for November and the best you can come up with is an old pervert with dementia that lies much worse than Trump.[/QUOTE]Well I have just directlyquoted 10 lies told by Donald Trump in Just January and February 2020. Why don't you prove your assertion that Joe Biden is a worse at lying by providing 11 lies of Joe Biden.

Take 3 or 4 months time period instead of just the 60-day period like I was able to compile. Please teach me because I (mistakenly?) believe Donald is the biggest & fattest liar on the planet.

Pretend I'm from Missouri and show me Beavis.

Butthead can even help you.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2452319]Sorry I don't know about anyone else but that is really a lousy comparison![/QUOTE]I think it's a pretty good comparison. That 2008 financial crash was not confined to the USA. It created a gigantic ripple effect all around the world, plunging international economies outside of the USA into paralyses, crashing stock markets almost across the board.

However, the real trigger for that deep panic sell-off around the world was a shocking event that occurred on September 29, 2008, about two weeks after the collapse of Lehman Bros. That also happened in the USA, of course. But the ones who pulled the trigger were just a handful of Congressional House members from one political side of the aisle.

The world probably should have billed that party for the global financial destruction triggered on that day and punished them in some way for causing it. Instead, the USA rewarded them with a historic electoral victory just 2 years later. Go figure.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2452356]I think it's a pretty good comparison. That 2008 financial crash was not confined to the USA. It created a gigantic ripple effect all around the world, plunging international economies outside of the USA into paralyses, crashing stock markets almost across the board.

However, the real trigger for that deep panic sell-off around the world was a shocking event that occurred on September 29, 2008, about two weeks after the collapse of Lehman Bros. That also happened in the USA, of course. But the ones who pulled the trigger were just a handful of Congressional House members from one political side of the aisle.

The world probably should have billed that party for the global financial destruction triggered on that day and punished them in some way for causing it. Instead, the USA rewarded them with a historic electoral victory just 2 years later. Go figure.[/QUOTE]I don't dispute any of your reasons, for me, it comes down to one thing as to why it isn't a good comparison to me at least. You are talking apples and oranges when it comes to the financial markets it was opened freely to everyone they had a choice to invest or not invest and the ability to do their own research it wasn't forced on us like the Virus. In many ways through financial report investors were warned the Virus by China NO! People didn't die in the numbers they are dying today millions of jobs lost and people lockdown in their homes.

Now I don't have to go through everything China did when they knew and could have told the world just own up to the problem which is what the financial market did when it collapsed, of course, anyone could make an argument as to whether they did or not. Sure I lost some money than gain much more back I benefited from years of being able to buy and refi my properties and get a ton of equity out of it. Everything I own here which is a lot all the money in the bank and abroad came from much of the market back home.

When it comes to the Virus we are here today because the Communist Maoist when they knew hid everything from the world today they still deny the timeline and threaten anyone or country if challenged they destroyed the world economy this comes from leaders who want to be number #1 world! Lying, stealing, killing isn't a way to lead. In the end, you are here debating price, looks, lockdown subjected to online pussy did that happen when the financial market hit! Don't answer that E. T. Let it go.

I have Chinese heritage in me when China was opening up 30 plus years ago I was hoping they wouldn't go down this route they did and have today, to be honest, I'm ashamed to be Chinese because of the communist leaders. I was thinking of being 100% Thai but then I came to my senses!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2452365]I don't dispute any of your reasons, for me, it comes down to one thing as to why it isn't a good comparison to me at least. You are talking apples and oranges when it comes to the financial markets it was opened freely to everyone they had a choice to invest or not invest and the ability to do their own research it wasn't forced on us like the Virus. In many ways through financial report investors were warned the Virus by China NO! People didn't die in the numbers they are dying today millions of jobs lost and people lockdown in their homes.
..[/QUOTE]The damage from the financial crisis in 2008 was not limited to voluntary investors in the stock markets. In the USA, hundreds of thousands of jobs were lost per month for several months. I assume there were similar mass job losses and business closures in other countries as well. People who paid their mortgages and on time lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity because ten other homes on the block lost 90% of their value and those properties dragged all home values down in the area. There were millions of victims of that disaster who had more than discretionary gambling money on the line.

I think the point was to either get restitution from China, punish them or both because the pandemic started there. I realize one is about death and one is about money. But we're talking about financial restitution and monetary penalties, aren't we? I mean, there is no way to bring back the dead. And I don't think the idea is to kill one Chinese person for every American, European, Thai, etc. person who died from it. So, in that way the call for restitution and punishment, if any, from the country that started the problem is also similar to what could have been done after the 2008 financial crisis. Money.

I rarely support Trump's stupid ideas.

But I fully support his choice to take hydroxychloroquin.

In fact, I suggest he double his current dosage.

Why not get twice the protection? What's he got to lose?

You don't seem to realize Trump hid the disaster coming from the covid until mid March when he started allowing people to be tested. Begining of March less people had been tested in the US than in south africa.

Trump was even calling the illness "a hoax from the democrats" end of February and was saying the remaining few people sick would be brough to 0 in a matter of days.

Blame it on China all you wan't for the 3 or 4 weeks lost from end December to wuhan's closure around Jan. 20th, they at least quarantined wuhan and hubei at that time till end of March (or mid April for wuhan).

And you seem to have missed that pretty much ALL OF China was less stricly but still quarantined from jan 22 until mid Feb / end of Feb depending on the province and area... with inter province 14 days quarantine maintained long after that (when people came to big cities from other provinces had to stay 14 days at home after already being quarantined 6 weeks in their home province).

We all witnessed too what happened on the Diamond Princess boat or in Italy after that. So claiming we had no idea about the death or contamination rates is a lie.

Yet as of Feb. 26 (2 days before Trump declared the illness a hoax) here are the numbers of concluded tests:
- United States: 445 concluded tests, of which 14 positive (3. 1% positivity rate).
- Italy: 9,462 tests, of which 470 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 5. 0% positivity rate).
- South Korea: 66,652 tests with 1766 positives 25,568 awaiting results (4. 3% positivity rate).

So many people asking to be tested for covid 19 in the US were denied those tests until mid March.

As for Trump's administration massive proofs that the virus was coming from a lab, they were so massive its administration ended up not releasing them.

If Trump had thought a bit more about the american people rather than trying to save his reelection against all cost, he would probably have taken the necessary measures earlier.
Testing people, giving them masks, putting the country under quarantine just like China did at an early stage.

Trump, Trump, Trump... everything seems to be about him rather than about the people. Can't he lead the country for the people rather than being so self absorbed and tweeting all day?
Who's next to lead the US? Kim Kardashian?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2452365]I don't dispute any of your reasons, for me, it comes down to one thing as to why it isn't a good comparison to me at least. You are talking apples and oranges when it comes to the financial markets it was opened freely to everyone they had a choice to invest or not invest and the ability to do their own research it wasn't forced on us like the Virus. In many ways through financial report investors were warned the Virus by China NO! People didn't die in the numbers they are dying today millions of jobs lost and people lockdown in their homes.

Now I don't have to go through everything China did when they knew and could have told the world just own up to the problem which is what the financial market did when it collapsed, of course, anyone could make an argument as to whether they did or not. Sure I lost some money than gain much more back I benefited from years of being able to buy and refi my properties and get a ton of equity out of it. Everything I own here which is a lot all the money in the bank and abroad came from much of the market back home.

When it comes to the Virus we are here today because the Communist Maoist when they knew hid everything from the world today they still deny the timeline and threaten anyone or country if challenged they destroyed the world economy this comes from leaders who want to be number #1 world! Lying, stealing, killing isn't a way to lead. In the end, you are here debating price, looks, lockdown subjected to online pussy did that happen when the financial market hit! Don't answer that E. T. Let it go.

I have Chinese heritage in me when China was opening up 30 plus years ago I was hoping they wouldn't go down this route they did and have today, to be honest, I'm ashamed to be Chinese because of the communist leaders. I was thinking of being 100% Thai but then I came to my senses![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sinofaguo;2452508]You don't seem to realize Trump hid the disaster coming from the covid until mid March when he started allowing people to be tested. Begining of March less people had been tested in the US than in south africa.

Trump was even calling the illness "a hoax from the democrats" end of February and was saying the remaining few people sick would be brough to 0 in a matter of days.

Blame it on China all you wan't for the 3 or 4 weeks lost from end December to wuhan's closure around Jan. 20th, they at least quarantined wuhan and hubei at that time till end of March (or mid April for wuhan).

And you seem to have missed that pretty much ALL OF China was less stricly but still quarantined from jan 22 until mid Feb / end of Feb depending on the province and area... with inter province 14 days quarantine maintained long after that (when people came to big cities from other provinces had to stay 14 days at home after already being quarantined 6 weeks in their home province).

We all witnessed too what happened on the Diamond Princess boat or in Italy after that. So claiming we had no idea about the death or contamination rates is a lie.

Yet on as of Feb. 26 (2 days before Trump declared the illness a hoax) here are the numbers of concluded tests:
- United States: 445 concluded tests, of which 14 positive (3. 1% positivity rate).
- Italy: 9,462 tests, of which 470 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 5. 0% positivity rate).
- South Korea: 66,652 tests with 1766 positives 25,568 awaiting results (4. 3% positivity rate).

So many people asking to be tested for covid 19 in the US were denied those tests until mid March.

As for Trump's administration massive proofs that the virus was coming from a lab, they were so massive its administration ended up not releasing them.

If Trump had thought a bit more about the american people rather than trying to save his reelection against all cost, he would probably have taken the necessary measures earlier.
Testing people, giving them masks, putting the country under quarantine just like China did at an early stage.

Trump, Trump, Trump... everything seems to be about him rather than about the people. Can't he lead the country for the people rather than being so self absorbed and tweeting all day?
Who's next to lead the US? Kim Kardashian?[/QUOTE]You've forgotten the most damning action China took. Placing Wuhan on lockdown and not allowing folks there to travel to any other part of China while still allowing them to travel internationally. That being said, the US did to react in time.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2452513]You've forgotten the most damning action China took.
Placing Wuhan on lockdown and not allowing folks there to travel to any other part of China while still allowing them to travel internationally.
That being said, the US did to react in time.[/QUOTE]Wuhan airport was also shut down on January 23rd. So its not true people under lockdown in Wuhan were able to travel internationaly. Only people who had left the city and province before that date were able to travel abroad (which is why countries had to send charter flights to wuhan after that date to get their citizens back home).

But your point is intersting because Trump indeed claimed his travel ban was the solution to all problems "I do think we were very early, but I also think that we were very smart, because we stopped China," he said at a briefing on Tuesday, adding, "That was probably the biggest decision we made so far. ".

When in fact "430,000 People Have Traveled From China to USA Since Coronavirus Surfaced. There were 1,300 direct flights to 17 cities before President Trump's travel restrictions. Since then, nearly 40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip" according to an investigation from the NYTimes 1. 5 months ago (so the numbers are probably higher now). [URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html[/URL].