Pattaya Reports

Beware of Beach Club.

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1298611]While I got some lashings from BKK posters over my bad experience with an old "friend" of a gogo dancer, and was excoriated to the point that I almost believed the bad press, my week in Pattaya was, overall, a very nice nine girls (many of them multiple sessions, including two repeat barfines of dancers). BUUUUUT (snip)[/QUOTE]Good story.

The moral is, for inexperienced Pattaya mongers on here, when things start to go south in a Thai nightclub just quickly pay your bill and move on.

WH: you are very, very lucky you did not get your ass kicked! There are lots of reports of beatings by bar staffs.

So she is DFKing you and saying she will suck cock (BTW next time ask if they smoke not suck dick LOL) and allow you to eat pussy and then suddenly is off limits? Something is rotten in Denmark. I'm thinking she may have gotten creeped put by your aggressive sexual requests. Even though these gals are hookers by trade, being more subtle and pretending to seduce them will earn you points in their eyes.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1298775]So she is DFKing you and saying she will suck cock (BTW next time ask if they smoke not suck dick LOL) and allow you to eat pussy and then suddenly is off limits? Something is rotten in Denmark. I'm thinking she may have gotten creeped put by your aggressive sexual requests. Even though these gals are hookers by trade, being more subtle and pretending to seduce them will earn you points in their eyes.[/QUOTE]Well, you may be correct to a degree, but do we really need to get all fucking Richard Gere? In Pattaya?

But nope, she was not "creeped out" or at all put off (and, as I mentioned, seemed to be bewildered when I started my discussions with mamasan and the male manager.) Indeed, I saw some of the other customers aggressively groping the girls and that is not my style. I hardly think that discussions of this nature are unusual in the line of trade they have chosen, and settling matters avoids disappointment later. It is entirely possible, when all is said and done, that the girl WAS willing to do all of those things laid out (she sure knew how to put on those doe-ey bedroom eyes with the loving glances, coulda been a wonderful act) and that the mamasan came up with the "for entertainment only" nonsense. This was a communication problem multiplied by the fucked up attitude of the bar managers. And also consider the peril that they may be putting such a girl in. Thailand is full of nasty farang, and Pattaya gets the dregs of them (present company excluded ;) and think of what could happen when a drunkard doesn't get what he thought he paid for, later in the hotel room?

In my case, back in the bar fault my reaction (which could have led to my beating over a few bucks) and not my negotiations.

I merely point out what is happening in some of the establishments, and in particular the clubs in the Baccara / Peppermint / Happy / Beach Club, etc. Organization. They seem to be bringing in MORE girls who are NOT available for sex. That is all well and good, in some eyes. The issue is in their presentation as being available for sex.

I discussed my plight with two dancers at What's Up? Who seemed amused that a midlife crisis punk, and not a young buck, would have raised a ruckus at a club. They agreed that there is not one girl working in Pattaya who does not know the score.

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1298571]I paid 1000 baht. Might be even higher before midnight. Sadly, this is the trend at the clubs that view their talent as being a cut above.[/QUOTE]How much did you pay your bacarra girl for her services?

What other gogos charge 1k for barfine?

[QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1298822]Well, you may be correct to a degree, but do we really need to get all fucking Richard Gere? In Pattaya?

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I merely point out what is happening in some of the establishments, and in particular the clubs in the Baccara / Peppermint / Happy / Beach Club, etc. Organization. They seem to be bringing in MORE girls who are NOT available for sex. That is all well and good, in some eyes. The issue is in their presentation as being available for sex.

I discussed my plight with two dancers at What's Up? Who seemed amused that a midlife crisis punk, and not a young buck, would have raised a ruckus at a club. They agreed that there is not one girl working in Pattaya who does not know the score.[/QUOTE]Perhaps she was under-age and the bar-management suddenly got a pang of conscience?

[QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1298822]Well, you may be correct to a degree, but do we really need to get all fucking Richard Gere? In Pattaya?

(snip)

They agreed that there is not one girl working in Pattaya who does not know the score.[/QUOTE]A couple of observations on your latest story / dilemma.

1) Normally, some of the ladies in go-go bars are not expected or obligated to go with customers. Usually, they have monthly quotas and incentives for selling drinks (and often, but not always, bar fines). Filling the drink quota is important to bargirls as they make 30-40 baht for each drink they sell (and this pays for food and whiskey after work). In the end, however, they will always do what it takes to sell a drink.

2) There are many reasons go-go dancers prefer to stay in the bar rather than go out (bar fine) with a customer. Having their period. Don't like the customer (smell, skin color, attitude, stinginess). Sick. Shy. Etc. Etc. If the lady only speaks Thai or Isaan / Lao, expect to have some issues with her if you cannot communicate. Some ladies do not have IDs and cannot go to hotels (especially the ones from Lao).

3) There is a method of communicating with Thai people to solve problems that can be effective, but it is never confrontational. Management must "save face," above all, in front of their employees. You need to show respect and generosity to gain trust, then you fall back on the "good will" you have built if you need to be considered seriously. If you are American, (I think you are), this is very different than the way Americans solve their problems in public.

4) Not all bargirls know the score. Some of them are brand new, fresh off the bus from Isaan. Some are nice girls at heart. And, some are just dumb. But, they all will lie and tell you what they think you want to hear if you buy them a drink!

Again, in Pattaya, if things are not going the way you want them to, it's smart to just move on.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1298882]A couple of observations on your latest story / dilemma.

Again, in Pattaya, if things are not going the way you want them to, it's smart to just move on.[/QUOTE]All you newbies here should listen to uncle Fon Tok. He knows what he's talking about. He's experienced it all. He's the new Old Thai Hand on the Thai board. He's spot on. And he practices what he preaches.

Be prepared for disappointments and misunderstandings with the Thai girls. After all, this is Thailand.

Never argue with Thais. Never raise your voice to them. Never rebuke them. Never demand from them. Never cause them to lose face. Always be polite. Always be calm. Keep smiling. Don't let them know you are pissed.

You are a guest here in Thailand. Always remember that.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1298625]Considering the state of the world economy, it amazes me how barfines and ST / LT rates can keep rising in Pat and BKK. It does not make sense. At some price point the bubble will burst.[/QUOTE]Basically there is no shortage of punters willing to pay these high prices. Plenty of rich guys laying out over 2k ST and paying over 1k barfine. Thailand is more open to sex tourism today than its ever been, and it's been successful in attracting more punters from nations with strong currencies. Thais aren't good at much, but they sure sell pussy well!

[quote=amjeck; 1298864]how much did you pay your bacarra girl for her services?

what other gogos charge 1k for barfine?[/quote]hi amjeck,

the barfine was 1k. 2k for st. she had agreed to lt at 3k, but she mentioned that she has a hard time sleeping in the same bed as customers. said that she would stay if i was unhappy, but i am not a slave owner. she communicated this in a sincere manner, so no problem (though the agreement to lt was prolly just telling me what i wanted to hear so that i would do the barfine).

the session was nice; i found her to be a lovely girl and no complaints about the sex though cim was off-limits, not particularly unusual. now she said that she had not been barfined in four months, if that is to believed. (she is a little darker than the other girls, not at all a japanese-magnet, but in my opinion was the most beautiful of the lot. and her smile really sealed the deal.)

over all, i had pretty good experiences with the girls, and clubs, in patts, (no bar tab padding was experienced, for example) with the exception of the incident at beach club (and i take heed of the esteemed posters' comments regarding that situation; don't think she was ****, but certainlly befuddled). but misleading customers into believing they are available for sex when they are not is just damned bad policy, and fuck beach club for abetting that.

can see where a couple of the dancers i barfined could be big-time sponsor magnets with their superb gfe, which is what i like. niiiiiiice. when the dust settles i'll collect my thoughts and post some more. one of them has given me withdrawal symptoms, but i have just taken a dose of wan chai medicine for that.

[quote=wildhawk; 1299046]hi amjeck,

the barfine was 1k. 2k for st. she had agreed to lt at 3k, but she mentioned that she has a hard time sleeping in the same bed as customers. said that she would stay if i was unhappy, but i am not a slave owner. she communicated this in a sincere manner, so no problem (though the agreement to lt was prolly just telling me what i wanted to hear so that i would do the barfine).

the session was nice; i found her to be a lovely girl and no complaints about the sex though cim was off-limits, not particularly unusual. now she said that she had not been barfined in four months, if that is to believed. (she is a little darker than the other girls, not at all a japanese-magnet, but in my opinion was the most beautiful of the lot. and her smile really sealed the deal.)

over all, i had pretty good experiences with the girls, and clubs, in patts, (no bar tab padding was experienced, for example) with the exception of the incident at beach club (and i take heed of the esteemed posters' comments regarding that situation; don't think she was ****, but certainlly befuddled). but misleading customers into believing they are available for sex when they are not is just damned bad policy, and fuck beach club for abetting that.

can see where a couple of the dancers i barfined could be big-time sponsor magnets with their superb gfe, which is what i like. niiiiiiice. when the dust settles i'll collect my thoughts and post some more. one of them has given me withdrawal symptoms, but i have just taken a dose of wan chai medicine for that.[/quote]the wanchai medicine cures all!

Its been almost a week & still I'm not relieved of Thai hangover. It literally pokes me in my dreams. I must confess that it was my first ever mongering as well as solo trip to any country. I never enjoyed as much as I enjoyed alone. Meeting new people, specially girls, experiencing new culture & trying some delicious cuisine is just delightful. I must admit that I got addicted to mongering & now to regular traveling as well. Being a bachelor with relatively less responsibilities I'm really thinking to live as a solo traveler for the rest of my life. Though I'm a freelancer programmer with lot of free time of course but not wealthy enough to have such leisure trips every once in a while. I'll have to work real hard as I just don't want to touch my savings bank account for punting? I don't know may be I can, I'm addicted. God save me!

OK now there are lot of reports from all over the world on ISG but still they don't give you an instant idea about the prevailing sex scene in that region. I would really want explore some more countries like Thailand anywhere in the world. If you could pick your Top-5 (safe) mongering destinations then which all places would you pick? This time I really need to plan ahead.

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1299046]Can see where a couple of the dancers I barfined could be big-time sponsor magnets with their superb GFE, which is what I like. Niiiiiiice. When the dust settles I'll collect my thoughts and post some more. One of them has given me withdrawal symptoms, but I have just taken a dose of Wan Chai medicine for that.[/QUOTE]Leaving the LOS for another 6 to 9 months would be sad if not for stopping off in Macau and HKG and having a couple more rounds before heading home.

[QUOTE=Andy7;1299087]If you could pick your Top-5 (safe) mongering destinations then which all places would you pick? This time I really need to plan ahead.[/QUOTE]Top 5 In Asia or top 5 in Latin America, Andy? You have to be more explicit. I have fooled around in both hemispheres and I prefer Asia much more than SA. But you are young, so you should eventually visit to the top 20 destinations worldwide and decide for yourself. Half the fun of travel is discovering new places and the variety of different women that inhabit them.

Natty's Top 10 in Asia:

1. BKK.

2. Macau.

3. Pattaya.

4. AC.

5. Hong Kong.

But. In just a couple of months I will be trying Jakarta for the first time. My list may have to be updated.

6. Phnom Penh.

7. Manila.

8. Cebu City.

9. ?

10 ?

Top 5 countries.

1. PI.

2. Peru / Colombia (tie, I cheated, yeah)

3. Thailand, Pattaya, KK and BKK (where I have been).

4. CR.

5. DR.

If we are going by cites only.

1) AC.

2) Subic.

3) Manila.

4) Lima.

5) Medellin / Pattaya (tie)