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It seems that the military for the USA is shutting down the guys around the bases, at least in korea according to Nvslim. I have not been there so can't give an opinion. Yet I have some questions. This place, AC, already exists. It will not be a start up. Thus it gets business from those not in the military. How you going to keep the guys at a large base from trying to get some pussy? I don't think it is possible to control unless you don't let them off the base. Now controling them might be a better situation. But it needs to be kept on the quiet side.

If AC falls off because of to many military, It is possible that many of the guys will find another place, or some one will start another place. The mighty dollar and pussy together means some one will exploit it. The business, bar owners, will not like paying graft money to big shots and not making any themselves. So, both will loose. The Koreans can't support the place by themselves.

Isn't Korea a sort of closed group where they don't like to take care of the western men? I hear it is hard to layed in Korea? I have no personal knowledge of this, just asking a question. For sure the Phils is not closed to western men at all. They may prefer an oriental or they may not, depending on the girl or the establishment. But definately not a closed style of society.

I suppose I can be wrong, but who knows. Time will tell, but I will probably be dead by the time we know the answer.

Back in 2005, under pressure from [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] opponents, Bush issued an executive order making "patronizing a prostitute" a crime under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The move was aimed at cracking down on military use of prostitutes in peacekeeping operations, but it generated some controversy in places like Germany, where prostitution is relatively well-regulated.

According to Stars & Stripes, USA military personnel (and even some of their family members!) complained that the ban made little sense since prostitution was legal and accepted in Germany. Some also doubted that the new provision could or would be enforced. The change in military policy Bush made in 2005 drew notice in Nevada, where the consensus seemed to be that it banned soldiers and sailors from visiting the legal brothels in that state.

[url]http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/04/military-may-have-committed-crimes-in-prostitution-120982.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Mackin;1292006]If AC falls off because of to many military, It is possible that many of the guys will find another place, or some one will start another place. The mighty dollar and pussy together means some one will exploit it. The business, bar owners, will not like paying graft money to big shots and not making any themselves. So, both will loose. The Koreans can't support the place by themselves.[/QUOTE]Announcements from Dept. Of Defense allude only to a shift in naval power. Where fleet strengths were 50-50 between Atlantic and Pacific, the new plan is for 60% in the Pacific. There's not much talk about moving Air Force. Discussions about using Subic involve rotational forces, not permanent assignments, whatever that means. So some observers think the primary negotiations with the Aquino administration are for having Philippine civilians doing most of the support mission at Subic.

And Clark's only role is for flying supplies in that then get hauled to Subic. The landing strip at Subic is not very big, and the DoD probably doesn't feel good about bringing large supply planes in there. But supplies transported into Clark don't necessarily imply many permanent Air Force personnel stationed three. And even much of the plane traffic could be private contractors. I think our fears about a puritanical military nanny state affecting AC may be greatly exaggerated.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1292056]Back in 2005, under pressure from [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] opponents, Bush issued an executive order making "patronizing a prostitute" a crime under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.[/QUOTE]The irony does not go unnoticed that a draft dodging deserter who got us into two different wars and helped to ruin the world economy would issue an executive order stating none of his soldiers would be allowed to get a piece of ass. I'd bet God told him to do it, LOL.

Back in AC after a two year self-enforced absence. It's still the same old shithole it always was and I'the genuinely forgotten what it's like to walk down the street to a chorus of 'trike, trike' and 'Viagra. Cialis. Rock bottom price, boss. ' Overall it's still a fun town to play in with many great looking girls (and quite a few hideous ones too) but of course prices are up. The 1500/2000 bar fine is now standard and the demographic of the girls seems to be older than before with many in their early to mid-20s and very few in their late teens. The one major change that's taken place is the introduction of the terms 'short time' and 'long time' to the girl's vocabulary. Previously I can't recall being asked if I wanted to bar fine a girl ST or LT it was just accepted that the bar fine was for all night (even if girls would try and sneak away early occasionally). But on this visit many of the girls are only interested in ST. And here's the rub: the ST price is exactly the same as the LT price. Of course you can still find girls who are prepared to spend the night with you but I'the say 60 percent of the 'hot' girls in bars like Carousel, Galaxy, Club Asia are only interested in going ST for the full (2000 peso) LT rate. I've tried to explain to the girls that this whole ST and LT phenomenon has been imported from somewhere like Thailand where there are two different rates of pay dependent upon whether the girl stays all night or just a couple of hours. But somehow the logic of that appears lost on them. My solution to the problem is to decline the 2K peso ST bar fine, pass the girl my phone number and offer her 700/800 peso if she visits my room the following afternoon for a ST session. So far I've had a 75% success rate with this tactic thus saving myself a few pesos in the process. It isn't ideal obviously but one has to improvise in circumstances such as these.

I'm not going to flog a dead horse but this sort of negative development has been on the cards for some time due to cowards who visit AC and over tip because it makes them feel better. The only way to arrest this ST / LT nonsense is for the customers to make a united stand. Refuse to bar fine any girl who is only prepared to perform ST for the standard LT price. Otherwise this downward trend will continue. Prices will keep going up, the quality of the girls will keep going down and AC overall with give you less bang for your buck.

D1

[QUOTE=LovingAsia; 1291858]I'm planning to fly to Cebu from AC with no check in baggage. I know umbrellas are not allowed as hand luggage, but what about.

Vibrators? It would be very embarrassing to have them fish it out. And would this be the same for flight between Bangkok and Clark?[/QUOTE]No worries on that score. Have taken them in and out of Manila airport (in said handcarry) many many times with nary a problem on Cebu Pacific. I would imagine Clark no different to Manila.

Only prob I had recently, which is contained in a HK report, was when a newbie customs inspection (I was in transit) insisted on emptying my entire bag of tricks. There were a goodly few vibes in there for a Phuket lady I know.

Only prob I encountered in Manila airport was when customs guy asked if I had golf balls in my handcarry. I said no. He says theres something like 3 golf balls all together. Ah that would be the balls of the glass hot oil vibrator. Told him it was a vibrator.

He smiled and said "proceed". You should have no worries.

[QUOTE=Doppel One; 1292575]The 1500/2000 bar fine is now standard and the demographic of the girls seems to be older than before with many in their early to mid-20s and very few in their late teens. The one major change that's taken place is the introduction of the terms 'short time' and 'long time' to the girl's vocabulary.

D1[/QUOTE]With a 2000 bar fine and paying the girls another 1000 to 2000 for ST / LT, the rates in AC are really high. I have spent my time in Bangkok and Jakarta and was thinking about AC but this is a real turn off. Is there a place to meet FLs that you can negotiate directly with and avoid the pricey bar fines? If find that FLs are generally more GFE anyway.

[QUOTE=Yomama99;1292814]With a 2000 bar fine and paying the girls another 1000 to 2000 for ST / LT, the rates in AC are really high. I have spent my time in Bangkok and Jakarta and was thinking about AC but this is a real turn off. Is there a place to meet FLs that you can negotiate directly with and avoid the pricey bar fines? If find that FLs are generally more GFE anyway.[/QUOTE]The bar fine in AC is all inclusive no tip required unless you give a small one to be nice But you don;t have to . There are bars that have lower ST rates then LT rates even. Its not like Thailand where the BF is just to the bar and you have to pay the girl separate for the service

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1292867]Its not like Thailand where the BF is just to the bar and you have to pay the girl separate for the service[/QUOTE]Often the girls do take a stake of the BF too

[QUOTE=Doppel One;1292575]. <SNIP> . The only way to arrest this ST / LT nonsense is for the customers to make a united stand. Refuse to bar fine any girl who is only prepared to perform ST for the standard LT price. Otherwise this downward trend will continue. Prices will keep going up, the quality of the girls will keep going down and AC overall with give you less bang for your buck.[/QUOTE]Sorry D1 but it's too late.

The whole ST / LT "thing" has become ingrained into the scene now, and I mean everywhere including Manila, Cebu etc.

You just have to shop harder if you want to get a decent bang for your buck.

Not everyone in AC reads ISG so boycotts will not work.

BTW, some of us prefer ST to LT. I always prefer the girl to leave after the negotiated time so that I can get a relaxed sleep and not have the early morning hassles when the gloss has worn off from the night before. But that's just my preference.

[QUOTE=Streetlooker;1292867]The bar fine in AC is all inclusive no tip required unless you give a small one to be nice But you don;t have to . There are bars that have lower ST rates then LT rates even. Its not like Thailand where the BF is just to the bar and you have to pay the girl separate for the service[/QUOTE]To Streetlooker.

I hope that AC barfine system is like Bangkok you pay the barfine and paid the girl a tip for the service at the end, this will avoid the runner if they want to leave early less tip for them, you don't get GFE like you do 10 yr ago at AC most girl target the Korean they tip better and spend big money.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Doppel One; 1292575]Back in AC after a two year self-enforced absence. It's still the same old shithole it always was and I'the genuinely forgotten what it's like to walk down the street to a chorus of 'trike, trike' and 'Viagra. Cialis. Rock bottom price, boss. ' Overall it's still a fun town to play in with many great looking girls (and quite a few hideous ones too) but of course prices are up. The 1500/2000 bar fine is now standard and the demographic of the girls seems to be older than before with many in their early to mid-20s and very few in their late teens. The one major change that's taken place is the introduction of the terms 'short time' and 'long time' to the girl's vocabulary. Previously I can't recall being asked if I wanted to bar fine a girl ST or LT it was just accepted that the bar fine was for all night (even if girls would try and sneak away early occasionally). But on this visit many of the girls are only interested in ST. And here's the rub: the ST price is exactly the same as the LT price. Of course you can still find girls who are prepared to spend the night with you but I'the say 60 percent of the 'hot' girls in bars like Carousel, Galaxy, Club Asia are only interested in going ST for the full (2000 peso) LT rate. I've tried to explain to the girls that this whole ST and LT phenomenon has been imported from somewhere like Thailand where there are two different rates of pay dependent upon whether the girl stays all night or just a couple of hours. But somehow the logic of that appears lost on them. My solution to the problem is to decline the 2K peso ST bar fine, pass the girl my phone number and offer her 700/800 peso if she visits my room the following afternoon for a ST session. So far I've had a 75% success rate with this tactic thus saving myself a few pesos in the process. It isn't ideal obviously but one has to improvise in circumstances such as these.

I'm not going to flog a dead horse but this sort of negative development has been on the cards for some time due to cowards who visit AC and over tip because it makes them feel better. The only way to arrest this ST / LT nonsense is for the customers to make a united stand. Refuse to bar fine any girl who is only prepared to perform ST for the standard LT price. Otherwise this downward trend will continue. Prices will keep going up, the quality of the girls will keep going down and AC overall with give you less bang for your buck.

D1[/QUOTE]


I agree with your comments. I can add a few points to consider. The most important point, is to ask the Mama which girls will do LT. Have the Mama do the work and bring you the girls that will do LT and provide any other service you want. Of course, give Mama a tip for this work (maybe 200P). This is truly the best advice. Most guys do not use the Mama for what they are there for. The Mama is there to ensure the customer is happy. If the Mama is not helpful, leave the bar and got to the next one. When you walk in, ask the Mama to come over. The main Mama, not the assistant Mamas. The main Mama boss. Make friends with her, be nice, have her sit with you. This goes a long way. When the bar girls see you getting along with Mama, they will think you are someone important. I would do this often when I was in Thailand at the bars.

Once I was in Thailand, and the main Mama slapped a bar girl for talking back to the Mama. The bar girl cried and said "Mama hit me, why Mama hit me." She never once said, you better not hit me Mama. The head Mamas carry lots of respect in bars. Make friends with them and you have a better chance of finding the girl you want for LT.

Next point, Santos and Raymond street have a 12 minimum for LT and it cost around 1, 400. The little bars actually stand by this, at least the ones I have been to there. The girls are not the best looking, but I have found it to be good service from nice girls. Sometimes, I find a real young (18 and over) cute girl there (according to my taste) that is just off the boat, a real gem, with a nice tight pussy. I do not find that often, but when I do, I enjoy it like fine wine.

Third, based on my experience of going to AC for the past 14 years, you have a better chance of getting LT from the girls at the bars on Don Juico Ave then on Fields Ave. For the past several years, I have avoided Fields Ave for the most part and hang out at Raymond, Santos, and Don Juico bars. I go to Fields to only see the shows, see the cute girls dancing, buy some lady drinks and get some feels from tits and pussy. Then when I get a hard on, I go to Santos or Raymond for relief and maybe LT. But mostly, I am a ST guy. After I shoot my load, I am ready for the girl to leave and I can relax, or do whatever.

Number 4. It is all about supply and demand and what the girls can get away with. Why do Santos and Raymond offer a 12 hour standard for LT and Fields bars do not, simply because a ton more guys go to the Field bars and not Santos or Raymond. Thus, Raymond and Santos have to compete based on offering LT, BBBJ, and nice girls. Fields bars is based on cute girls and nice bars, but not LT or great service from the girls after they get back to the room. Plus, many of the girls on Fields will not provide BBBJ. The Santos and Raymond street bars give BBBJ as a standard.

Number 5, the truth of the matter is, if a girl wants to stay with a guy for LT, she will do so. If she likes the guy. The bars on Fields Ave set the price, but leaves the choice of LT or ST up to the girl. The fact is, when a girl meets a guy in the bar, they have fun, she thinks it would be fun to hang out with this guy, plus he makes her horny, she will want to stay with you all night and until the next morning. A few times, but only a few, I have had girls stay with me until they had to go to work the next day. Because we really have fun together, I treated them more like a girlfriend (purchased food for them, we went to the mall) and we liked each other for the time we were together. The last time this happen, I met a cute sexy chubby girl at Tropix bar.

When I first saw her, I thought, wow, she is sexy even and chubby in a very cute way. And, she was sweet, cute, and funny. We really hit it off. I purchased 2 lady drinks for her (which I never do for other girls) , we hug, kissed, and played with each other there in the bar for a few hours. Then she said to me,"you should really take me back to your hotel so we can wake up in each others arms in the morning." Wow, I never had a bar girl say that to me, asking me for LT. That made me more horny for her. Of course I bar fined her and we had a wonderful time together. She did not leave me until she had to go back to work the next day. And, the sex with her was good, I never had a tight chubby pussy before.

My point is, if a girls want to be with you, she will be happy with LT. If she just in it for the money and you (or we) are just another fuck, she will only offer ST, and she will not care of you do not take the offer of ST. She knows another guy will take her offer of ST only sooner or later. And what about the girls that agree to LT but want to leave after a few hours in the hotel room, commonly known as runners. They say they have received a call regarding their sick mom, a friend needs them, etc. Did they plan this from the start, or did something about the guy change their mind about being with him all night (e.g., the guy's body was not clean, rough sex, etc.). Who knows, but no matter what, the girl cannot be forced to stay.

The way I feel, if she wants to leave -- go! Plus, it is only around $43 at most bars for sex. Let's face it, that is really cheap by Western standards. Thus, if the girl wants to leave after a few hours after giving me a BJ and sex and I only paid $43, and she had orginally agreed to LT, I really do not care since it is really a small amount of money. When I lived in American many years ago, I would pay 3 times that amount on a date, and not even get a kiss!

And last, with more than 60 bars on Fields and more than a 1,000 girls, u will find girls that are nice, will give LT, and good service. But, you really have to search for it. Too much work for me. If I do go to Fields, I do not like the big bars with the cute girls, they seem to be in to looking cute and they act like models with model attitudes. And, 3,000 for ST is a joke, I will never pay that in AC! I like the small bars where the girls are up close, and you can play with them and get to know them. If I was going to hunt for LT pussy on Fields, I would stick with the smaller bars, get to know the Mamas, and bar hop until I find the right mix of girls and Mama that is helpful. Have fun!

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1293181]ask the Mama which girls will do LT. Have the Mama do the work and bring you the girls that will do LT and provide any other service you want. Of course, give Mama a tip for this work (maybe 200P).[/QUOTE]Since you are later in your post complaining:

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1293181]And, 3,000 for ST is a joke, I will never pay that in AC![/QUOTE]. About the high cost of renting some tiers of Fields pussy I find it bit funny that you say that "of course" we need tip mama a dancer's daily wage just for steering us towards a girl who does LT. I would argue that in most cases mama's BF cut would be quite enough compensation! It's actually her job to assist you, and she doesn't even need to spread her legs to get her cut. She's a bit like a car salesman. Now I don't usually tip them very much. (That said, it can be a good thing to buy real nice mama's a LD sometimes.)

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1292907]Sorry D1 but it's too late.

The whole ST / LT "thing" has become ingrained into the scene now, and I mean everywhere including Manila, Cebu etc.[/QUOTE]But why isn't there a price difference between ST and LT in AC? They should lower the barfines and let the girls negotiate deals for their time and services. The whole price scheme in AC is messed up now.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1286950]Thanks for the feedback. My relatives also think I am nuts for living in Asia. There is only a small elite group of us who understands the reason why a man would want to live in Asia. Everyone else will never understand. But that is fine, that just leaves more Asian women for us in the Philippines, Thailand, etc. I have 8 years to go before I retire. However, tomorrow is not promised. Therefore, I want to have as much fun as I can now. Fun for me is not buying a new gold watch or spending $1, 000s on name brand cloths. For me, fun is having my cute 19 year old Filipina girlfriend on top of me at night, giving me lots of hugs, kisses, and real GFE loving making. Taking a shower with her in the morning and having wash my back, face, legs, and other parts of my body. Watching TV while she cooks breakfast for us. As a young man, these are the things I took for granted. As I have aged, these are the things that are the most valuable to me.

As I get older, being with younger women (over 18) is a joy for me. It is not just about the sex, but their youthful outlook on life and the energy they have. The fact that so many things to them are new and they will actually listen to my advice. With American women my age, they are battle worn and they know it all. Try giving them advice and you get 50 reasons why you are wrong and a debate. Plus, I have been with women my age and their body looks old with wrinkles everywhere (around the mouth, face, lips, chest, ass, etc.). I truly have no desire to bang them. The great thing about Asia is that it is acceptable for an older man to be with a younger woman. In Asia, you will see many examples of this. In America, unless the guy has lots of cash, you will generally not see younger women with older men.

After living in the oasis of Asia, I cannot go back to the desert of America. The bottom line is, in Asia, men are in charge. In America, the women are in charge. Have fun![/QUOTE]Love it your exactly right I'm cutting ties to US and making my way to Phils love it there.