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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1930471]She is very well traveled, her English is really good, and she is just a true delight.[/QUOTE]You are correct. Her English is very good, and she have very impressive knowledge of a lot of different topics. She is really far from my usual preference, but I went with her anyway and I don't regret it.
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In other words, it might not be so simple as just saying "This club has bad up-selling, but that club has less. ".
[/QUOTE]I agree upselling is an individual phenomenon and not a club feature. Still there is significantly less upselling or rip-off in some clubs compared to others, usually depending on how much management tolerates. There's no doubt about it. If you take an inexperienced first time guest as a base the chances of overpaying are highest at Palace, then Mainhattan / Oase, then Sharks, then World. And even lower at Bahama club.
HB.
[QUOTE=Ortos;1930668]I guess it all depends on who is doing the reporting, right? For sure, some clubs have a "club culture" that might affect this, but also:
Some guys think one club has more up-selling, and others think the other club has. And then some of us believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle, namely that there is no significant difference between any club per se, but rather some additional important factors come into play: how you conduct your own personal interaction /"interview" with girls (pre-Zimmer), how clearly do you spell things out (your expectations), who you select to go with, how well do you pick up on a girl's "vibe" (positive or negative, "gfe" or "shark"), how the girl (s) perceive you and perhaps also what kind of session you seek inside the Zimmer.
In other words, it might not be so simple as just saying "This club has bad up-selling, but that club has less."
But these are just my opinions, and some here might have different views.[/QUOTE]Seems pretty easy to say that there is a definite difference. I guess you can say that with proper interviews, you can eliminate the upsellers and the clubs end up the same. However, interviewing should not be a conditional if judging if a club has a lot of upsells. The club should be judged on how most girls treat any random Joe-Schmoe with no experience.
As a newbie to both clubs in the past year (first time at Sharks last fall and first time at Oase 2 months ago,) it is night and day. After 50+ rooms, the only upsell I've ever had at Sharks was one AO and perhaps a little pressure to go for an hour instead of 30 minutes (I usually go an hour anyway). Oase was completely different. Half of the girls make it clear that this is a business. I hate it when a girl asks, "what do you want" as soon as I get in the room. I'm just thinking "don't ask me like I'm ordering off of an a-la-carte menu." Even my favorite girl at Oase first tried to negotiate an hour for 150 E, but that includes everything she says. I now give her 100 E + extra 20 E for ball licking and CIM sometimes.
I have a small sample size of 7 girls at Oase but 2 girls were terrible half hours that professed that you get express, no passion service for 30 minutes. Two other 60 minute sessions featured light kissing and mechanical pornstar sex with no authentic passion. One girl I already mentioned who negotiated 150 E for all-inclusive one hour. Only girl did not upsell, but she also was not the best looking. Only one of the 7 girls did not upsell and that probably was because she is a regular with a fellow monger and she knew that I am friends with him.
Anyway, I can see that if you are a regular, you might not experience the upsell, but I am not an Oase regular and I got upsold so often.
I consider myself a Sharks regular now, but even from day one, even with poor service girls, I did not experience much upselling.
For a foreigner, not speaking German, but not Asian nor American nor Italian, no upselling at Mainhattan, Sharks or World, even for first time. Girls are just happy with 1 hour room and say: thank you, for 100 . At Oase, most, except Ina, ask after 5 mn: do you want to finish in my mouth? For 50 , and then you won t fuck me. With their low skill for sucking, they can dream about, they should learn with Lola who was at GT on 2013 , they can suck for hours if they think they will make me lose control.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1930703]There's no doubt about it.[/QUOTE]Again and again for the girls I'm interessted I don't see any difference between Oase, Mainhattan, Sharks and World. Only difference World and Sharks has more well known 6's and 7's "do everything for 50 euro girls" or well known "general enviromentally friendly girls. " If you count this than your ranking fit. But If I only include according my taste the top 10 optic girls at each club I can't see any differance. And only these girls count for me therefore same average service level at these clubs for me.
And BTW what is so bad about upselling I like it to convince a girl doing anal with me. LOL.
[QUOTE=Craiova;1930759]Again and again for the girls I'm interessted I don't see any difference between Oase, Mainhattan, Sharks and World.
And BTW what is so bad about upselling I like it to convince a girl doing anal with me. LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes. Again and again you keep repeating it. Me too. For the circumstances I described there is a difference. Your 9 is a 5 or 6 for me. Probably the same vice versa.
And I should differentiate between upselling and rip off. The latter is the real issue. Still constant upselling kills the atmosphere.
HB.
I've been to Sharks two times last week and without upselling. One of the girls just asked one time if I wanted to CIM (her BJ was good), I answered no and that was it. With the two others nothing. I must say that I mainly did one hour sessions, but without any agreement or the threat of shitty 30 minutes sessions, it was just fine with the girls.
In World there was no upselling too but some kind of rip-off, as two girls promised me kissing (I think they gave me a sample each time) but in the room (or in the garden), there was barely some smacks. And they both tried to shorten the session to 20 minutes, I had to insist heavily to win maybe 5 minutes.
And I have to agree with Sirioja, the line-up of World was really subpar. Luckily Maria saved my day.
Can the experienced ones please sort out few rookie queries:
Have already booked my flight to Frankfunt for 5 days in last Octobet and Nov first wk. Was trying to clarify few things.
1) The entry fee is Euro 65 as displayed on the website. Does that mean one can stay from 11 am to 4 am with that price paid at entry? One can go out and again come in in that day with that entry fee. They say it also includes use of wellness area. What does that mean? What about the massage, therapies, hot pool, some cosmetic treatments, etc. They must be costing extra. The charges nowhere mentioned?
2) Also the site displays some discounted entries like: 2 hour entry 40 Euro, happy Sunday 11 am to 2 pm:20 Euro, Closing time 2 hrs 40 Euro, Happy Monday Euro 20 voucher and Happy Wednesday 50 Euro. What do you recommend?
3) Are there any place where one can take rest (Similar to Macau saunas where people also can have a nap in between the fun).
5) What are the charges of the extra chargeable things like how much do the alcoholic drinks, beer cost?
6) what does the 50 Euro private room session include? Does it include all positions including Doggie, BBBJ, DFK (Except CIM, and anal). Do these rooms have private shower / tubs inside?
7) There are 5 main FKK clubs in Frankfurt going by this map ([URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1677_zs-_EbsAyfGZBzrZ_FsMiYs&hl=en_US[/URL]) What are the FKK alternatives in or near Frankfurt? I have something about the RC Clubs, The Swinger clubs, AO clubs, Some strip tease bars, etc. A place like Frankfurt must have many other good things for Nightlife other than FKK Clubs. How are the Escort services. Do they come to hotel rooms? Which are the Girlfriend friendly Hotels? How much are the prevailing rates for a girl to come to your room Short time and Long time?
Too many questions, I'm sorry but RTFF didn't get satisfactory information. The forum is divided and subdivided into so many parts. Difficult to search.
Thanks in anticipation.
[QUOTE=Raju1974;1930805]Too many questions, I'm sorry but RTFF didn't get satisfactory information. The forum is divided and subdivided into so many parts. Difficult to search.
Thanks in anticipation.[/QUOTE]1. You can leave and come back with the same entry fee. Massage is extra, but access to different saunas, Jacuzzi, pools etc is included. Also soft drinks, water, coffee etc. (No alcohol is free at Sharks).
3. There are other clubs where it's easier to relax, but if you lay down in the upstairs area it's usually OK.
5. Beer is 6 E if I remember correctly.
6. You are correct about the statements. Some girls don't do DFK so ask before going. I've heard some rooms have showers, but I've never been to any. Maybe some VIP rooms have tubs?
7. I've also been to Oase and World. For my next trip, I will visit World and Sharks. Didn't like the layout of Oase, but I know some people prefer it.
All 5 are pretty easy to access with train + taxi.
[QUOTE=Raju1974;1930805]Can the experienced ones please sort out few rookie queries:
Have already booked my flight to Frankfunt for 5 days in last Octobet and Nov first wk. Was trying to clarify few things.
1) The entry fee is Euro 65 as displayed on the website. Does that mean one can stay from 11 am to 4 am with that price paid at entry? One can go out and again come in in that day with that entry fee. They say it also includes use of wellness area. What does that mean? What about the massage, therapies, hot pool, some cosmetic treatments, etc. They must be costing extra. The charges nowhere mentioned?
2) Also the site displays some discounted entries like: 2 hour entry 40 Euro, happy Sunday 11 am to 2 pm:20 Euro, Closing time 2 hrs 40 Euro, Happy Monday Euro 20 voucher and Happy Wednesday 50 Euro. What do you recommend?...[/QUOTE]Hi,
So many questions I think that you must come from India. (incredible India). 65 euros is including beers, if you just stay 2 hours they will give you back 20 euros or something like that. For alcohol I don t really know for me sex and alcohol is not a good mix, but I think beer is free and you can drink as much as you want (what is the interest? Most of the standard room don t have shower, and for 50 euros don t expect too much, it will be most probably a mechanical session for more you will have to pay more, CIM 100 euros, anal 150 euros. Escort will be at least 350 euros for 2 hours, recommend you forget the rest like RDL, it is better you join the FKK like Oase, Shark, World, Manhattan you can t be disappointed by those one and you will significantly reduce the risk of making unwanted meets.
Hi, was at Sharks recently and tried a girl that was not my type, no silicon, her name is Naya. She was really friendly, best blowjob ever had except for the one I got from Amsterdam from Ana the polish. I highly recommend Naya, dark hair, blue eyes, wonderful eyes. A bit skinny but not too much. Really not my usual type but again she was great.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;1930614]I think she tries Artemis, because not much business anymore for her at Sharks, she didn't get rooms when I saw her on July, I think 3 July. If she looked and behave like a woman, I'm sure she could be pretty and attractive. Most of guys are more attracted by smiling girls than sex pistols fans. I remember on Summer 2015, when she was playing in the outside swimming pool, she is quite sporty.[/QUOTE]She is a great person. Might need to know her well to get that chemistry I think, but she has a good room routine. She has a few returning customers who really like her, but she is anything but someone hunting for guys, so it really is up to you to make first move. I do find her body quite appealing though. She just gotta grow back some hair :)
I know of only one Naya at Sharks, and she is indeed a very nice girl, pretty, and beautiful eyes. But I would not call her slim. So I don't know if you are talking of someone else. The Naya I know is a very friendly girl to me, somewhat similar to how I described Greek Maria, although Naya is not as well traveled and easy to converse but more friendly and a genuinely sweet girl.
Yra is a quirky girl. Pretty nice actually and easy to talk to. A couple of years ago, she was one of the prettiest at Sharks for me. During one trip I had multiple sessions with her over a couple of days. Later on, she kept changing hair colors, hair stipulates, and eventually got that crazy Mohawk and when she did, I did not see go to the rooms with anyone, even though she kept doing the pole dances. She has a lot of personality but getting that Mylie Cyrus hairdo is probably a bit too much for Sharks mongers.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;1930614]I think she tries Artemis, because not much business anymore for her at Sharks, she didn't get rooms when I saw her on July, I think 3 July. If she looked and behave like a woman, I'm sure she could be pretty and attractive. Most of guys are more attracted by smiling girls than sex pistols fans. I remember on Summer 2015, when she was playing in the outside swimming pool, she is quite sporty.[/QUOTE]She wasn't getting many rooms at Artemis the 2 nights I was there. She mostly milled around between the bar and the area near the restaurant along the right side headed to the restaurant / outside.
[QUOTE=RioDeJaneiro1;1930869]Hi, was at Sharks recently and tried a girl that was not my type, no silicon, her name is Naya. She was really friendly, best blowjob ever had except for the one I got from Amsterdam from Ana the polish. I highly recommend Naya, dark hair, blue eyes, wonderful eyes. A bit skinny but not too much. Really not my usual type but again she was great.[/QUOTE]Naya was a favorite of mine last year, but she's gone cold on me. She's a real sweetheart though.