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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2172333]Folks, I tried to search for info on this here- but failed. So my question is: How do you folks assess the risk of serious infections with various sorts of sex in German FKK Clubs? - I post it here, because I think the risk in 3rd world counties like India or Ghana. Maybe quite different.
Especially interested in the:
Risk of DFK.
Risk of BBBJ.
Risk of uncovered vaginal penetration.[/QUOTE]These issues have been discussed several times here. What you should look to evaluate the risk is to search for infections rate in the general population and multiply by a factor of 100 for potential infections rates in FKK. In my 4 year-long FKK experience, I have only caught gonorrhoea once and it was successfully treated with a course of antibiotics. I never have unprotected intercourse and I normally have CBJ with girls that have tongue piercing.
The rate of serious infections such as HIV, or syphyllis, I believe is still low in FKK if you don't have unprotected intercourse.
With DFK, unless the WG has bleeding gums or piercings, it is relatively safe. I don't normally bother with DFK as you may come after a client who has just exploded his cum into your girl's mouth.
With BBBJ, it is still relatively safe, but you may catch the usual chlamydia, herpes or gonorrhoea. However, rates for serious infections through BBBJ are very low. Unless you take part in gangbangs or similar.
With Bareback intercourse, infections rates increase a lot and you should not do it, if you are concerned about your health. Latex-free comdoms are almost as good as not wearng one, but they provide good protection.
I know some peole that carry some instant HIV tests for the escort they meet, but it seems a bit too much unless you find yourself in high risk areas such as SE Asia, Africa, Caribbean islands or Ukraine.
Stay safe and enjoy!
Rock.
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I have one thing to add: YOLO, medically speaking of course.
[QUOTE=MythoVirus;2172351]Tl; dr there is no simple answer.
I myself think BBBJ is fine, the others are way to risky for me.
You choose what suits you.
Not all STI / STD are created equal (or evolved whatever floats your boat).
Lets talk about some of the STI.
I will group them in a way I see fit..[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=XXL;2170190]Whatever you think about luuv, girl-friendliness and "real" feelings, mark my words: very few hot women are worth having sex with 10 years on.
Even if she doesn't take you to the cleaners in the meantime, what will you do when your (common law) wive has downgraded from an 8 to a 5?
[/QUOTE]Not everyone sees things from the hardcore monger perspective. For us, fucking the hottest women possible is priority number one. Normal men can probably fuck a 5 who used to be an 8, and still obtain an erection and orgasm. Why? Because these men aren't addicted to porn or prostitutes.
Most normal men marry women of the same social circle and similar socio-economic background. That alone will reduce the likeliness that you are taken to the cleaners. Climbing the corporate ladder is all about knowing the right people. Having a "pedigree" wife helps you navigate that. I. e. Father-in-law, her university friends, or even people she meets at a wine-tasting.
[QUOTE=XXL;2170190]A woman after legal age in the West lasts about as long as a new car. Imagine you car is old and you're not even allowed to get rid of it to buy a new one.[/QUOTE]All things being equal I like younger WGs, but I also appreciate a MILF every once in a while. Late-30's, maybe even mid-40's. I would rather have an old Porsche than a new Dacia.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2172333]Folks, I tried to search for info on this here- but failed. So my question is: How do you folks assess the risk of serious infections with various sorts of sex in German FKK Clubs? - I post it here, because I think the risk in 3rd world counties like India or Ghana. Maybe quite different.
Especially interested in the:
Risk of DFK.
Risk of BBBJ.
Risk of uncovered vaginal penetration.[/QUOTE]I've had BBBJs for a decade in Germany, at an average rate of 5 times a week, not a single orally transmitted infection to report.
I also pass my tongue between the girls' asscheeks before intercourse. Here too, nothing to report.
I really think penetration is when it becomes risky and it also seems to be the opinions of most girls. Pathogens are very prude and conservative. They don't expect humans to bring mouth parts into contact with genitals so they infect fornication pathways less than they do normal intercourse.
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[QUOTE=MythoVirus;2172351]
I am sorry for the countless spelling mistakes.[/QUOTE]Don't be. This was an awesome and readable description. The only caveat being, that I was more interested in real experiences than theoretical possibilities, which all sound frightening. Thanks so far for all the other experiences.
I think then so far: DFK is the safest. BBBJ. Forbidden anyway- the 2nd safest-- and anything else is to be avoided anyway.
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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2172189]
But unrelated to your main point I don't understand this concept of women hating hardcore monger. On one hand, they hate women, but they want to be with women, have sex with them, kiss them etc? Can't even understand how that works. [/QUOTE]Some mens rights activists only hate Western women, not necessarily all women.
The Toronto attacker posted on social media that he wanted to "overthrow all the Chads and Stacys". Chad refers to the dumb jock, captain of the football team. Stacy refers to the cheerleader prom queen. In other words, the pinnacles of the mating pool. Nerds could work hard and get ahead later in life, at which point, they would be able to woo girls with not their looks but with promises of financial security.
Back when America was great, there was a balance of power between the sexes. Men held the cards when it came to money. Women held the cards with their sexuality. But now the feminist agenda has taken over. Women are earning almost equal pay. Men no longer hold any advantage. Any male who is not a "Chad" should turn their back on Western society and refuse to be a pawn. That could mean (1) abstaining from women (2) seeking out prostitutes or (3) moving to country that has traditional values.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2172508]Don't be. This was an awesome and readable description. The only caveat being, that I was more interested in real experiences than theoretical possibilities, which all sound frightening. Thanks so far for all the other experiences.
I think then so far: DFK is the safest. BBBJ. Forbidden anyway- the 2nd safest-- and anything else is to be avoided anyway.[/QUOTE]No problem, glad if it helped you even a bit.
Regarding more practical sex safety.
The safest from top to down strictly in regard to STI.
Zero Risk the safest.
-Abstien from sex.
OCD safe zone.
- Handjob only / Titfuck / Feet stuff.
Very Safe zone.
- DFK / DATY / DATO.
- Covered BJ.
Quite Safe zone.
- BBBJ.
- Covered Vaginal.
- Covered Anal.
Mild Risk zone.
- Vagina.
Very Risky zone.
- Anal.
Some thoughts,
-The reason why I consider BBBJ safer than covered sex, is because covered sex always have the potential of a malfunctioned condom, ie it was broken, or it was not correctly used (for example I saw many WG don't roll the condom on the penis, they just crazy stretch it and fit the penis in, which I think can pose risk for STI).
-The list risk was based on STI only, it doesn't take into consideration of other infections, for example in some seasons, some nasty airborne viruses can be spread by DFK such as Corona Virus / New strain of Flu / Sars, so in that regard a BBBJ only can be safer than DFK and so on.
I'm currently staying at the quite safe zone, and its working for me, but again there is no correct answer, how far you want to risk something depends on you personally.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2172499]All things being equal I like younger WGs, but I also appreciate a MILF every once in a while. Late-30's, maybe even mid-40's. I would rather have an old Porsche than a new Dacia.[/QUOTE]True story folks. We're talking Porsches built in the 70's guys.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2172216]I'm not afraid about loneliness, I make my sports on my own and they are more important than brothels. Who could I take with me to kill oneself climbing Zoncolan or Mortirolo? But it s just my passion to try to perform a better climbing time. If not good, I go again as soon I recover. For free ride, security staff didn't want to let me go in la Grave, they said it s too dangerous to go alone without ARVA, I explained it s too dangerous to take somebody with me, so I prefer to go alone, I decided to go, I opened one run above Chancel lake, 2 other skiers followed when they saw me going, but when I started I didn't see and know what would happen, so better to be alone because we never know what may happen, if You lose grip and fall in rocks, ARVA won't help you, but in this passion, we know risks about rocks, avalanches, crevices, I'm very careful, I never had problems on free ride because I know better not to do a mistake when I alone, my accidents were when skiing bumps, losing control, and flying over, but we are ready for our personal passion, it s even impossible to resist to this drug. Many girls take cocaine, I need adrenaline. But single for risks.
Sports help in bed with girls. For those who try to control, when you exhaust them, then they lose control.[/QUOTE]Siri, it is good that you enjoy sports so much on your own, it is important for man or anyone really to have things that one can enjoy on their own instead of depending on one single thing whether it is wife, girlfriend, friend or other activities.
I do sport, but I ski, run and work out that is where I stop, I do not need adrenaline, I just need orgasm, so for me mongering is hobby, I like fucking stunner beautiful girls from all over the world, filling up my book of sexual memories as much as I can while I am here.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2172410]I know some peole that carry some instant HIV tests for the escort they meet, but it seems a bit too much unless you find yourself in high risk areas such as SE Asia, Africa, Caribbean islands or Ukraine.
Stay safe and enjoy!
Rock.[/QUOTE]I did not know Ukraine has high HIV infection rate.
Bareback intercourse via anal is high risk, pussy intercourse is quite low still.
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[QUOTE=HiroHirox;2172384]. At least you should be knowing how widely STD are spread through Germany right now. More than 100 thousands of people have STD in Germany.[/QUOTE]Where did you get this number from? From earlier discussions here and simple googling I thought it was well known that herpes in some form and maybe even genital warts were common in way over half the population. Although mostly these STD's are latent and doesn't show and signs of being there. Perhaps something like 80-90% of all sexually active people. So I believe your numbers should be over 50 million. Or do you rule out those two std's?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2172570]Where did you get this number from? From earlier discussions here and simple googling I thought it was well known that herpes in some form and maybe even genital warts were common in way over half the population. Although mostly these STD's are latent and doesn't show and signs of being there. Perhaps something like 80-90% of all sexually active people. So I believe your numbers should be over 50 million. Or do you rule out those two std's?[/QUOTE]STDs would be quite low except for the people who go to BB clubs and then frequent the FKKs or drug users. That is why people who seek BB sex are generally shunned. They contaminate an otherwise pretty safe pool.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2172538]I did not know Ukraine has high HIV infection rate.
Bareback intercourse via anal is high risk, pussy intercourse is quite low still.[/QUOTE]Risk of HIV spread with vaginal BB is not low in heterosexuals; what you are referring to is risk of HIV spread via anal intercourse is in homosexuals not heterosexuals.
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[QUOTE=Trombone;2172644]Risk of HIV spread with vaginal BB is not low in heterosexuals; what you are referring to is risk of HIV spread via anal intercourse is in homosexuals not heterosexuals.[/QUOTE]Well, in this case Ho is comparatively right.
Transmission rates per CDC:
1.40% with receptive Anal (1 in 74).
0.11% with insertive Anal (1 in 909).
0.08% with receptive vaginal (1 in 1,250) *penis to vagina.
0.04% with insertive vaginal (1 in 2,500) *vagina to penis.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Trombone;2172644]Risk of HIV spread with vaginal BB is not low in heterosexuals; what you are referring to is risk of HIV spread via anal intercourse is in homosexuals not heterosexuals.[/QUOTE]Anal intercourse BB risk to HIV is same for hetero and homo sexual, it is to do with dick getting cut in the ass and HIV virus going in via stomach.
I cannot be bothered to google the %, but pussy intercourse BB has rather low risk to getting HIV. HIV is hard to contract via normal sex, but in ass the highest.
Well it does not mean one should practice BB in FKK or related brothel.
Best bet for BB sex in pussy is porn star at home for me because they are all tested, so the risk is actually lower than normal tute who is not tested.
Artemis has in house medical doctor, but I wonder if the girls are tested regularly? They do go up and see the doctor sometimes, this I know, but I don't know what they do.
