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[QUOTE=RainMania;2278635]Saw her once back when her rate was 250. Must've been 2014-15, and back then I didn't feel it was VFM.

There was even a time when her rate was 500 k per 'hour' LOL!

The most entertaining ad was this ajumma who used to post on backpage. Username was something like 'aphrodite'. Completely delusional posts about how amazing she was and how she was very picky about her client's age, weight, occupation etc, and was 'offering' a great deal of 400-500 k for a pop. Mind you she was an average mid 30-40's ajumma with a-cups!

Now posts similarly on MR, minus the picky criteria, but still asking for 250 k LOL.[/QUOTE]Is it like. Real?

Years back when I hadn't my own website and just started to learn about advertising online, I had met people who run ads on Massage republic and CL) Eunhee advised me a few tips. I'd never used them actually.

There's one European lady now living in Hongdae area who provides massage therapy like me, I emailed her once, but never got a response. She wrote in her blog that nowadays, CL is not like it was before. I agree with her, about 4 5 years ago it was so easy to run a private ad, including escort.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;2276730]Do you remember the Korean woman who ran Moulin Rouge in the early 200's? Per the pictures, it's CC Bar now. Used to go there and get blowjobs from her and she had a couple of tasteful nude paintings of herself on the wall. One evening I went in, she was tending the bar and there was an old German guy sitting at the bar chatting with her. I sat a few stools away and said to her, "I'm thinking of getting another blowjob from you tonight, OK?" he face turned red and she was making facial expressions to tell me to shut up. Learned later that she was dating the German dude and they were planning to get married. Also used to pay $120 K apiece for 3 of her girls and have a fuck fest on top of the pool table. Mamasan would lock the door, cover the pool table with a cloth and we'd go crazy. She liked to watch and would grin from ear to ear. I really miss that place the most.[/QUOTE]I remember back in 2008 the lady that worked there or owned? It. I think she drove a little convertible that she parked out front, Mercedes maybe? Was short and had curly hair, bolt on tits, firm body, nice face. She was a hotty, but I never did romp with her.

Anyway, there's so many of those women who've come and gone through the hill. I can only remember faces and places, but few names.

[QUOTE=Lion55;2276032]I agree about Bean being YMMV. First time I saw her the service was amazing. Second time was a complete bust. BTW, Kay and Cherry have both moved to Avant Garde. Kay told me that Happy Days has a new owner but it wasn't even open when I went by last night.[/QUOTE]Kay, Cherry, and Bean at Avante Garde. That's a crowded house.

Cherry has those enormous tits, but is pretty fat, now, too. There was a time when she had a waist that complimented her tits and she was 'wow'.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2275563]Bean has a remarkable body for a Korean woman. She wouldn't look out of place in a hip hop video (perky tits, flat abs, small hip, HUGE ASS), all packaged around 5 ft tall.
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Bean is the only Korean woman that I know that can lay on her stomach and her pussy is right there for you, without spreading her legs or lifting her hips. Amazing! I love it.

LOL, maybe too much information, but she tends to 'queef' a lot, especially when you DATY.

Not sure if DATY is a smart idea considering she has boxes of condoms that she runs through weekly.

Add that up over 13 years (I first saw her in 2006) and that's a lot of dick.

I will say, though, that after you DATY and then hit it BBFS, she feels like heaven. Wow.

[QUOTE=SeoulSearching;2275307]I'm trying to remember her name. Is Kelly the lady who is maybe late 40's and speaks English somewhat well? She was in the other Texas on 'the hill' before going to this 2nd Texas, across from the lower International Food Store? If so, she was there, and the International Food Store Texas, last month. She seemed to be having trouble keeping girls working long-term. Easy come, easy go. Once they make the money they want for whatever, they're gone in short order. She's a nice lady, so it's nothing negative about her. I may have a photo of her, but I don't post pics of people without permission.[/QUOTE]Sounds like her. Kelly's in her 40's or probably 50's now. She has a real nice body and nice ass, usually bob haircut, and tan.

She ran the old Texas on the hill and now the one on the main strip that you're talking about. Soo-ae was working there last December when I visited for vacation, but Kelly wasn't there.

I asked Soo-Ae if Kelly was available and she said 'Never! I laughed to myself and thought about 2014, just before I left Korea, when I paid Kelly about 300,000 won for a tryst with Candy's friend at VIP, despite her 'retirement'.

If you have a picture of Kelly and would like to PM me, that'd be nice. She's one of my ATF and hopefully she's still DTF when I get back there in a year or so.

[QUOTE=Garthie1;2278841]Sounds like her. Kelly's in her 40's or probably 50's now. She has a real nice body and nice ass, usually bob haircut, and tan.

She ran the old Texas on the hill and now the one on the main strip that you're talking about. Soo-ae was working there last December when I visited for vacation, but Kelly wasn't there.

I asked Soo-Ae if Kelly was available and she said 'Never! I laughed to myself and thought about 2014, just before I left Korea, when I paid Kelly about 300,000 won for a tryst with Candy's friend at VIP, despite her 'retirement'.

If you have a picture of Kelly and would like to PM me, that'd be nice. She's one of my ATF and hopefully she's still DTF when I get back there in a year or so.[/QUOTE]Ah, the pics I have are from 2010, due to the date stamp. Video, actually. They aren't nudes, or anything like that. People sometimes have let me take photos in confidence, and I just can't share them, unless they're long, long gone and would never remember me. If we're talking about the same lady, and I think we are, she's more of a mamasan these days. Back then, in 2010, she was working at Either Avant Garde, Tiffany, or Happy Days. Might have still been called Hobby Horse, back then? Can't remember. It was one of those 3 on the line, below old Polly's. She was new to the hill in 2010. I remember the night, because I was with Nadia the same night, down the street at Moonshine, and took pics, then, too. She was drunk off her ass, or probably wouldn't have let me. Both time-stamped same evening.

About 2 years ago, there was a hottie working at Texas 1, then Texas 2, with Kelly. I have photos and video of me blowing my load all over her, a few times. Her name was YoungEun. Cute little thing in her mid 20's, I'm guessing. Really miss her.

For old times sake, I will include a photo of the Thai lady who used to walk independent around the hill.

By the way, I heard Sunny has left Tiffany, recently. She comes and goes.

[QUOTE=SeoulSearching;2278639]Thanks for making my point.

Anyone who pays that kind of money to these "providers" is ignorant and being played a fool. Cheated.

Just look at the photos of some of these girls expecting 300 k and up. Look a few posts down from this, for an example. You would seriously have to pay me to even consider something like that, and then there is no way I could get it up for it.

The agencies are all overpriced scam artists. Naive fools come here and think they're getting some pretty 20 year-old K-pop lookalike, based on a false photo, and they're sent some broken down divorcee in her 40's with plastic surgery gone awry. Most men are too guilt or embarrassed to say anything, and just walk away poorer, and hopefully wiser.

Even worse. A hook-glam want to be creates a webpage highlighting a pantyhosed body only captain Nemo could love, and advertises that she wants 300 or more.

Please.

Only completely naive or drunk foreigners would pay for that 2nd example, because nobody in a bar, Tinder, or anywhere else is going to give that the time of day.

People need to be educated that you should just not come here expecting good service for the money from these people.

A guy can pay to fly a beautiful thin lady from the Phils, or elsewhere, and have days of fun, for not much more. And she'll be grateful.[/QUOTE]Hear hear!

If you're paying an agency 300+ per hour (10 mins BJ, 10-20 minutes fuck and she's out of there), just know at least half of that is going to some guy sitting in a chair doing absolutely nothing other than spamming websites looking for gullible mongerers. And let's not forget you probably forked out for the hotel / motel room too, and an extra 20-50 bucks for her 'taxi' (aka pimp).

If you're paying an independent girl for the same, you're still shorting yourself because she's just earned a month's rent for what is essentially half an hour's work, which you probably worked at least a day or two to earn. You just dropped 1-2 day's wages (16 hrs work) for 30 mins of sub-par action. And you're supposed to be satisfied with that?

Even at 100 per hour independent girls are in the top 1% earners in the country, and I damn well guarantee they wouldn't have a shortage of customers.

I once did a breakdown of generic costs of running an establishment and why the likes of anmas and officetels charge what they charge, you can actually see where your money is going in terms of staffing, the venue and services. But some bullshit one man / girl operation deserves the same fee or more for offering less? Take a fucking hike LOL.

[QUOTE=Leahchoi;2278721]Is it like. Real?

Years back when I hadn't my own website and just started to learn about advertising online, I had met people who run ads on Massage republic and CL) Eunhee advised me a few tips. I'd never used them actually.

There's one European lady now living in Hongdae area who provides massage therapy like me, I emailed her once, but never got a response. She wrote in her blog that nowadays, CL is not like it was before. I agree with her, about 4 5 years ago it was so easy to run a private ad, including escort.[/QUOTE]It's very real LOL.

She would write paragraph after paragraph (about 10 in all, if not more) of nonsensical bullshit about what she expected from the lucky client that meets her criteria and how her massage and sex are world class. She started to tone down on the criteria bit after a few months, I imagine because very few mongerers, as horny and dumb as we might be, are not that dumb.

Advertising is only one piece of the puzzle to running a successful SP business. Most foreigner-oriented SPs in Korea still don't understand repeat customers make your business last, not one time visitors flying in on a business trip. They had a good base of customers back in the day's rates were 150, but most of us have moved on to greener pastures after the price gouging started. I don't know about other guys, but I won't be back in the local independent scene because I've found literally a million other ways and places to spend my money.

I'm saying is if a foreginor comes to seoul and see advertised rates of 300 they would not be shocked since that's the going rate in the US etc. Now after seeing all the grannies and fatties also advertising at those rates the guy probably will think the hoe scene in Korea is trash and / or theres alot of fetish needs in Korea to pay 300 for a fattie.

US cost breakdown goes like this: 300=150 to the girl, 100 to the owner, 50 to the booker. Korean girls take less of a cut here since alot try to work overseas in the US or Japan.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2278913]Hear hear!

If you're paying an agency 300+ per hour (10 mins BJ, 10-20 minutes fuck and she's out of there), just know at least half of that is going to some guy sitting in a chair doing absolutely nothing other than spamming websites looking for gullible mongerers. And let's not forget you probably forked out for the hotel / motel room too, and an extra 20-50 bucks for her 'taxi' (aka pimp).

If you're paying an independent girl for the same, you're still shorting yourself because she's just earned a month's rent for what is essentially half an hour's work, which you probably worked at least a day or two to earn. You just dropped 1-2 day's wages (16 hrs work) for 30 mins of sub-par action. And you're supposed to be satisfied with that?

Even at 100 per hour independent girls are in the top 1% earners in the country, and I damn well guarantee they wouldn't have a shortage of customers.

I once did a breakdown of generic costs of running an establishment and why the likes of anmas and officetels charge what they charge, you can actually see where your money is going in terms of staffing, the venue and services. But some bullshit one man / girl operation deserves the same fee or more for offering less? Take a fucking hike LOL.[/QUOTE]

The girls and owners there have the routine down to a science.

60 min session:

-5 minutes of GFE arms wrapped around your neck sensual DFK soon as you step in the apt by the door.

-5 minutes bend down upzip pants and BBBJ.

-10 minutes of mutual shower, DFK, bubble body rub, HJ, BBBJ, rub your dick in front of pussy hole teasing bareback.

-20 minutes of FS, 69,CG, BBBJ, rimming, CIM, bareback sometimes.

-15 minutes of DFK, GFE, HJ or 2nd shot attempt.

-5 minutes final shower, DFK, bye.

Service like this reason so many guys end up dating or marrying the chicks in the US. Korea is lame service wise. Barely any GFE and all clock watchers. I rather hobby in US at 300 then 150 that I pay in Korea.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2278913]Hear hear!

If you're paying an agency 300+ per hour (10 mins BJ, 10-20 minutes fuck and she's out of there), just know at least half of that is going to some guy sitting in a chair doing absolutely nothing other than spamming websites looking for gullible mongerers. And let's not forget you probably forked out for the hotel / motel room too, and an extra 20-50 bucks for her 'taxi' (aka pimp).

If you're paying an independent girl for the same, you're still shorting yourself because she's just earned a month's rent for what is essentially half an hour's work, which you probably worked at least a day or two to earn. You just dropped 1-2 day's wages (16 hrs work) for 30 mins of sub-par action. And you're supposed to be satisfied with that?

Even at 100 per hour independent girls are in the top 1% earners in the country, and I damn well guarantee they wouldn't have a shortage of customers.

I once did a breakdown of generic costs of running an establishment and why the likes of anmas and officetels charge what they charge, you can actually see where your money is going in terms of staffing, the venue and services. But some bullshit one man / girl operation deserves the same fee or more for offering less? Take a fucking hike LOL.[/QUOTE]

I'd generally agree that the service in the states is better than in Korea, but it's gone downhill since of the main review sites went offline. I've still had some really memorable sessions in Korea though, so it's always going to be YMMV. As for looks, I'd say it's subjective, but for me (as someone who mongered in the states in since the 90's, specifically California / LA / SF) I find girls in Korea are generally younger and there is much, much more selection if you can get into Officetels. I guess it depends on what you're looking for.

[QUOTE=KgirlPower;2278930]The girls and owners there have the routine down to a science.

60 min session:

-5 minutes of GFE arms wrapped around your neck sensual DFK soon as you step in the apt by the door.

-5 minutes bend down upzip pants and BBBJ.

-10 minutes of mutual shower, DFK, bubble body rub, HJ, BBBJ, rub your dick in front of pussy hole teasing bareback.

-20 minutes of FS, 69,CG, BBBJ, rimming, CIM, bareback sometimes.

-15 minutes of DFK, GFE, HJ or 2nd shot attempt.

-5 minutes final shower, DFK, bye.

Service like this reason so many guys end up dating or marrying the chicks in the US. Korea is lame service wise. Barely any GFE and all clock watchers. I rather hobby in US at 300 then 150 that I pay in Korea.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SeoulSearching;2278874]If we're talking about the same lady, and I think we are, she's more of a mamasan these days. Back then, in 2010, she was working at Either Avant Garde, Tiffany, or Happy Days. Might have still been called Hobby Horse, back then? Can't remember. It was one of those 3 on the line, below old Polly's. She was new to the hill in 2010. goes.[/QUOTE]Yeah, she had transitioned to mamasan back in 2014 or so. Said she was out of the game, but when I dropped 200,000 won in 2014 for a short time, she didn't turn it down, and even commented that she can't let the other girls see her walking up the hill to my hotel room at the hilltop.

She had another girl working for her at the time and I paid 200,000 for a threesome, but knew it would be lame so instead offered 200,000 for the girl to hang out while Kelly went to my room and we fucked. LOL.

She did start working in 2010, because I remember the first time I saw her was the night Korea played in the World Cup in June 2010. I left in July for about 9 months, but came back the next year in March for 3 more years.

She got tired of me short-changing her (100 K or less for a session), fucking her bareback, blowing my load in her, etc. , so she cut me off.

She worked in Thailand prior to 2010 and worked in Tiffany's, I believe, when I first saw her and then moved down to 'Amazon', which burned down in a fire and is where the hotel is now.

After Amazon burned, she bounced down to what used to be called 'Rose' and changed it to 'Texas'.

She used to date this old dude, about 65 years old, and stayed at his apartment from time to time. I saw him once in her bar and he said Hi. Nice guy, don't think he was tracking that I was laying the pipe to his prostitute girlfriend / mamasan.

Now I guess she's running Texas on the mainstrip, hope she's working there when I get there in the summer. Looking forward to fucking her for old time sake.

The picture of the girl is somewhat familiar, but I know I didn't fuck her. Kelly had some nice, nice looking girls that worked for her and I always was tempted to fuck them, but felt guilty that Kelly wouldn't let me fuck her anymore if I did.

What's a Korean "backpage" type site to call escorts?

Sidenote: Recently went over to Suwon's red or should I say pink light district to check out the scene. None of the hot looking girls on the main strip would see me but took a turn into a small alley with less traffic and went up to one that I thought looked decent enough and she let me bang for 50 krw. The girls on this strip where definitely less attractive and "bigger". Would the Cheonho one be more foreigner friendly?

OK, for a few more trips down memory lane, of ladies long, long gone. I'll keep it to girls I haven't seen in nearly 10 years, or longer.

Anyone remember "Sunny" who used to work at Tiger, then Royal (VIP), and various places around The Hill, back around 2002-2005, or so? She once told me that she used to be a really good dancer (and this was backed-up by some other girls working with her). She may have been on TV for it, back when hip-hop style dancing was young, in Korea. Sunny was maybe 4'10" tall, if that. She had straight hair pulled tight, and spoke like she'd learned her English from hip-hop while smoking cigarettes. She had an alcohol problem, and money troubles (which led to her leaving the hill entirely, much like Giu). Rumor I heard was that she skipped-out on rent and had to disappear. Times became really tough back then, because it was not long after the US troops were really being watched by MP's and kept from the hill, rents were still expensive to make, and not enough clients came in to pay for it. Rough time for many of the ladies.

The rumor I heard was that Sunny ran off to Dongducheon, and I actually went there once, but didn't see her. Sunny got the raw end of the deal on life. She once told me her parents were killed in a car accident, and she was basically raised by her grandmother. But I think she had to raise herself. I miss her. Really fun sense of humor, and a laugh to be around. Sometimes we'd just do it, and I'd pay her, but I don't think she always expected that. I think we just liked doing each other. Sometimes I would just visit to say Hi, and we'd talk for an hour or two. I didn't buy drinks or anything, and she never asked. She's one of the 2 or 3 hill girls that came to my apartment as a friend just to hang out. No money involved. Wish I could blow my load in her, again. I liked her body, and the way she did her make-up.

Another interesting lady wasn't around very long. I would give you her name, because I actually think it was her real name, so I won't. She was gargantuan huge, in height, and former national volleyball player. This was confirmed both by her, and other girls working the hill, who remember watching her on TV. She might have been on the Olympic team, if I remember one of the other girls telling me that. She was at least 6'3" tall, minimum. Actually, she could have been close to 6'4" tall. She started out working at Cabin, and gave a nice BJ, letting you blow a load all over her face. I remember cumming in her wide-open mouth, and her choking on it (I had quite a load, that day). I went for a ride in her (I think it was White) Ssayoung Jeep-like vehicle, once. She was a really nice girl -- and honestly, didn't have any business being on the hill, because she was just too good of a person. I remember once she told me that she was so big, people would confuse her for a guy sometimes, and that other Koreans were surprised when she told them she would cry, sometimes (as if she were too big / strong to cry). Anyway, she was only around for maybe a year or so, mid 2000's. I remember she started dating a tall African guy who was someone bigger than she was. I imagine she had a real difficult time finding love in this country, give her stature. I wanted to hug that girl when I visited her, because I couldn't imagine what she must have endured, growing up. I hope that guy was good to her, and I hope he wasn't just using her for a Visa, or something. I think I remember telling her she needed to find a new way to make money, because she was way too good a person to be doing that, and she was. Thankfully, she disappeared.

I'll leave you with another pic, today. This is a different girl named "Sunny" who was working in 2002-2003. She worked in what was once (I believe) Dallas club, which has been named MoonShine for many years. This particular Sunny was pulling down massive coin in 2002, and she worked with another young hottie who married a guy and moved to St. Louis (gosh I wish I remember her name, as she gave an awesome BJ while doing the splits, and I loved her slow style). Sunny made 7 or 8 million a month, easy, back in those days. I think she saved up enough to buy into real estate. Her English was very good, and she was smart. She and that other girl got their start at Cheers club, before opening Dallas. I believe I remember both of these girls were originally from Jeju. I remember sitting and waiting for her in one curtained booth while she did some guy in the next booth. I caught a peek through the curtain folds.

Here's that pic of the 2nd Sunny, showing a look at her face when getting the shaft, and also her legs before. Also some pics of the Hill circa 2003, when MoonShine was Dallas, before the big burn down of ABC, Tiger, etc, and when VIP used to be called Royal.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2278918]It's very real LOL.

She would write paragraph after paragraph (about 10 in all, if not more) of nonsensical bullshit about what she expected from the lucky client that meets her criteria and how her massage and sex are world class. She started to tone down on the criteria bit after a few months, I imagine because very few mongerers, as horny and dumb as we might be, are not that dumb.

Advertising is only one piece of the puzzle to running a successful SP business. Most foreigner-oriented SPs in Korea still don't understand repeat customers make your business last, not one time visitors flying in on a business trip. They had a good base of customers back in the day's rates were 150, but most of us have moved on to greener pastures after the price gouging started. I don't know about other guys, but I won't be back in the local independent scene because I've found literally a million other ways and places to spend my money.[/QUOTE]Yes SP businesses are far from perfect. The only one happening bar in Seoul isn't available in English [URL]http://www.clubdesire.co.kr/m/main.php[/URL].

I remember BP required a credit card for advertising so it was kinda tricky because of privacy.