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[QUOTE=Canonade; 1318823]Not to insult anyone, as that has not been my intentions at all, but since this seems to be the way of life on this board, I also suggest you take a reading comprehension course, as I clearly stated my intentions were to visit tourist things, since it will be my first venture into Southeast Asia, AS WELL AS TO ENJOY THE ENTERTAINMENT / WOMEN. Hopefully by putting this part in capital letters you flamers with reading comprehension disorders will be able to understand, that my holiday is not just about visiting tourist areas, but a combination of enjoying the tourist type things, AS WELL as the beautiful girls.

I have read about the bars and so forth, and I know several of the tourist sites, but my point of my initial post was to see what cities would provide me with the better overall experience in experiencing both the cultural sites, and the girls, as I would like to visit multiple destinations, and not just be stuck per se in Manila or a Davao in the two week time frame I have set a side for the Philippines. An example would be would it be wise for me to visit Manila and spend some time in Boracay or Puerto Galero, or Palawan, or would I be better served going to Manila, Angeles City, and, or would it be best to spend a few days in Manila, and then go to Cebu or Davao, or that city called Baguio which I read is a mountainous area people go to excape the heat.[/QUOTE]In my view, the Philippines isn't exactly a tourist mecca, by which I mean that the types of things that attract many tourists are in short supply here. There are some reasonably old churchs from the Spanish occupation, and the ocassional old fort and there are some nice natural areas if you're into what's now called eco-tourism. But there's little here that you can't find in greater abundance, and often in a better state of preservation elsewhere. That said, the places you might find most interesting depend to a large extent on the types of things that interest you. If you can give us a better idea of that these are, then we could probably be of greater help.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1318923]there are some nice natural areas if you're into what's now called eco-tourism. But there's little here that you can't find in greater abundance, and often in a better state of preservation elsewhere. GE[/QUOTE]I disagree a little with this. Some of the best scuba diving plus some of the best relatively undeveloped beaches left in the world are found in the PI. The natural PI really turns me on. It reminds me of Costa Rica in the 70's before all the investment and development came south. These days Thailand, Costa Rica, and many other seriously beautiful beach destinations have been pretty much plowed under. The first time I visited Phi Phi back in the '80's there were no hotels and no inhabitants. It was spectacular! But the loss of natural treasure has been going on for at least 60 to 75 years. I recently saw John Huston's "The Night of the Iguana" again on Turner Classic Movies. The film was shot in 1964 and boy does Mismaloya, the small town just south of Puerto Vallarta where Ava Gardner's hotel was located, looks great. You really can't find that pristine shit anywhere on the Pacific Central American coast anymore. Huston must have had a gas coming down to Mexico in those days.

I have been working my way north in Palawan on three succesive trips to the PI. The scenery just keeps getting better. I highly recommend Port Barton and San Vicente (Long Beach). After checking out the rest of northern Palawan, I think I might head up to Saud Beach, Pagudpud in the most northern part of Luzon. I hear the beaches up there are very good plus there are only a few rustic bungalow type resorts on the beach. It is all very laid back and natural. I know it is a long trek from AC and Subic. Maybe I will run into a very young Filipina version of Ava Gardner and settled down there like Richard Burton in Puerto Vallarta 1964. LOL.

Now the tie in to the previous conversation:

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1318923]If you can give us a better idea of [what you are looking for] then we could probably be of greater help.[/QUOTE]Yes people come to the PI for a lot of different reasons, with different budgets, and different time constraints. How can we give you, a newbie, informed advice if we don't know what you are specifically looking for? Boracay, Subic, and Port Barton are all beaches, but that is about the only thing they have in common. Same same for AC, Makati, Malate, Cebu City, and Subic on Filipina trail. RTFF then tell us what you are looking for !

[QUOTE=Canonade; 1318827]I would be happy to pay my twenty dollars, as twenty dollars is nothing, but I was attempting to familiarize myself with the board and get a hang of things first, to see if it was going to be something that would be beneficial to me, but from what I have experienced from several of the members such as the arrogant self made moderator / internet forum police, rodger, it has turned me off, which is exactly what several of the forum bullies want to happen, as this only discourages new members, and keeps the board a playground intact for the likes of those who felt a need to flame me, and flame other new members on other parts of the forum.

With all this being said, much appreciate your attempts to help me Westcoast1, instead of just assuming things and flaming away.[/QUOTE]Recognise that there are many of us, who are present (and play) on various boards in various cities / locations. We regularly see the " I'm new here tell me what to do where to go " type questions. We all come to these boards to share info, tell our stories, etc. And we were all new, and did our homework first, which is why we came to these boards.

The smarter type guys are the new ones who come to a board and say " I've read about this price structure, is that still correct? Or Ivbe read aboyut this bar being hot, is it still recommended." Taking that route wil earn you far more responses.

[QUOTE=Canonade;1318823]I have read about the bars and so forth, and I know several of the tourist sites, but my point of my initial post was to see what cities would provide me with the better overall .[/QUOTE]Have you heard of the saying "one Man's meat is another's poison?"

Well, there you go.

Personally I have had a lot of fun in Manila, and Peurto Galera, and for cheap. While AC was never awe inspiring. But then a lot of friends skip Manila and land in Clark, since, for them, it is AC or bust.

And a few have enough drama in AC and Manila, they swear by Cebu. Oh, by the way, Philippines isn't the best "touristy" destination. Despite all claims by the Dept of Tourism and all.

You get fleeced, near robbed or robbed, or constantly harassed, simply because the majority of the natives firmly believe that foreigners are rich and it is ok to relieve foreigners off their burden. I. E. The too much money you and me are carrying.

Then again, I had to find my sea legs and I know how to avoid such hassle and harassment. Which takes time. I remember my first visit. 12 years or so ago, when the Customs Lady wanted to charge me "Importation Tax" on a laptop I had. My mistake being it was wrapped nicely and the customs lady insisted that I was bringing it into Philippines to sell it. It was comical, when I said it is only worth 200 $ and she worked out a tax of 15 $ and I was like "you want me to round it up to 20 $ as I don't have change." should have seen her red face. Before she 'warned me' sternly and told me to inform customs upon departure that I am taking the old laptop back out of the country.

Natty Bumpo: as a diver, the nicer spots are freaking painful to reach, and I frown on spending half my money on flying there, or spending days in travel. Some monopoly the resort operators have. So much so, Bora is so over sold I don't want to be seen anywhere near Bora. In my last trip, I bumped into 6 people I have met in Singapore. And well, that was getting too crowded for me.

Canonade: Any forum on the internet requires something: the contributors spend time and effort to post, update and prune useless info: so before coming in guns blazing, you should show some humility. Which you have done so. Comparing to a few other forums, you got away easy. I visit a forum where a few guys from certain countries 'demand' information, and instead of replying, either there is absolute silence, or the person goes into the 'ignore' list pretty fast. Or totally useless replies pop up.

Have fun mate

This is my first post here. I booked three internal flights today for £55 ($85) in the month of December! There's a sale on at Cebu Pacific but you have to book by August 26th for travel between 1st Oct and 31st Dec, international destinations as well as domestic. I have no connection with CPac, just a customer.

Also I noticed that Airphilexpress are very sneaky with their baggage charges. Free allowance is only 10kg and then 150P per kg on top of that!

[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1318985]Canonade: Any forum on the internet requires something: the contributors spend time and effort to post, update and prune useless info: so before coming in guns blazing, you should show some humility. Which you have done so. Comparing to a few other forums, you got away easy. I visit a forum where a few guys from certain countries 'demand' information, and instead of replying, either there is absolute silence, or the person goes into the 'ignore' list pretty fast. Or totally useless replies pop up.

Have fun mate[/QUOTE]I really admire your patience EconoTech, This is your 10th or so post advising newbies in PH in couple of months, that you go all over again, explaining the stuff that newbies are lazy enough to go back pages and read what you have said before many times over. You are really trying to be helpful here. However, how many times, we seen, the newbies soak all the info. Never giving it back.

Canonade. You made the same appeal from your past posts in Kiev and Thailand forum few days back and you were blasted away from there and you still did not learn and thought I would try my luck in PH forum and you did get blasted here as well but good members helped you out. Still, your arrogance and disrespect to other members is beyond newbie like. You are a brat. I don't think you are planning to come to PH, you just need some quick info to compare with other countries that you plan to visit on a weeks holiday and then make a decision. If, so then you should have really made an effort to know the country before asking for advice that has been said 1000 times before.

Keiv.

[quote]Nice post, and appreciate the information, as I am planning my first trip which will take place in October if my work schedule permits allows me to have time off.[/quote]Thailand.

[quote]Hello,

If going to Thailand for a 2 week holiday for tourist things, as well as for the entertainment, what would be the best timeline for me if I want to see several different areas / cities, and what areas / cities would you recommend in this length of time period?

Thank you![/QUOTE][quote]Hi Again,

I made a post yesterday about trying to get some help in developing an itinerary for a two week holiday. I am hoping the post does not get lost amid all the others that were made. I am coming to Thailand for tourist things, as well as for the entertainment, but would like some idea on what cities would be recommended for me to see during a two week period.

Thanks[/quote][quote]Hi Again,

I made a post yesterday about trying to get some help in developing an itinerary for a two week holiday. I am hoping the post does not get lost amid all the others that were made. I am coming to Thailand for tourist things, as well as for the entertainment, but would like some idea on what cities would be recommended for me to see during a two week period. Thanks.

If this appears twice I apologize as it did not appear to go through the first time I hit the send button.[/QUOTE]Philippines.

[quote]Itinerary help

Hi,

I am posting trying to get some help in developing an itinerary for a two week holiday in the Philippines. Actually my holiday is for a 4 week period, but two of those weeks I am hoping to spend in Thailand. I am coming to the Philippines for tourist things, as well as for the entertainment, but would like some idea on what cities would be recommended for me to see during a two week period.

Thank you for any help you can provide me in securing an itinerary.[/QUOTE][quote]I am sorry rodger but respect on a sex mongering forum is not something that is a priority in my life, and I see by the number of posts you have that it takes up a good share of your life, so go and carry one with your arrogant attitude, and I will continue to do my best to gain the information I am seeking so I can make an itinerary that will be best for my first trip to the Philippines.[/quote][quote]Reading comprehension problem Hatboy? I clearly wrote that I will be in Thailand and the Philippines for a two week holiday in each country, and was seeking the same guidance in both countries to put an itinerary together that will allow me to get the most out of vacation, as this will be my first time entering Southeast Asia.

To the others such as Mr. Arrogant, and the self appointed moderator of the forum, I have read quite a bit of information here on the Philippine and Thailand boards, but it has not helped me put together an itinerary, as I would like to visit different areas. As I also clearly stated, my holiday is a holiday that will allow me to see tourist related things, as well as enjoy the entertainment.

Get off your high horses before you fall, and it will happen.[/QUOTE][quote]Not to insult anyone, as that has not been my intentions at all, but since this seems to be the way of life on this board, I also suggest you take a reading comprehension course, as I clearly stated my intentions were to visit tourist things, since it will be my first venture into Southeast Asia, AS WELL AS TO ENJOY THE ENTERTAINMENT / WOMEN. Hopefully by putting this part in capital letters you flamers with reading comprehension disorders will be able to understand, that my holiday is not just about visiting tourist areas, but a combination of enjoying the tourist type things, AS WELL as the beautiful girls.[/quote]You see, the guys arrogant level changing in the Philippines forum, as he was not getting any troll feed in other threads and the guy had the audacity to say." respect on a sex mongering forum is not something that is a priority in my life" and still expects info from a sex mongering site. Are you for real. All his soft words seems to be just to get the info. Once he doesn't he shows his real nature. If he was really a good guy. He would say. Sorry I understand some of the negative comments as I have not contributed anything. But if someone would be kind enough to share info I would be grateful.

Seems like the boat has already sailed. No point in feeding the troll.

[QUOTE=Starchild2012;1319261]Seems like the boat has already sailed. No point in feeding the troll.[/QUOTE]Well said SC. He has probably sailed to yet anither country and thread. 14 posts all totally useless.

How many times do newbies do this and never give back. We are not rude or arrogant just pragmatic and sensible. I get loads PMs asking for "digits" which I ignore as newbies think am a nice giving guy LOL (well I am but depends who I am giving too and what I am giving LOL)

When are you next in the Philippines SC? Maybe we should host a newbies party LOL

[QUOTE=Mistral Blue;1319129]This is my first post here. I booked three internal flights today for £55 ($85) in the month of December! There's a sale on at Cebu Pacific but you have to book by August 26th for travel between 1st Oct and 31st Dec, international destinations as well as domestic. I have no connection with CPac, just a customer. Also I noticed that Airphilexpress are very sneaky with their baggage charges. Free allowance is only 10kg and then 150P per kg on top of that![/QUOTE]I just want to point out that the local airlines flying domestic routes in the Philippines are charging very low rates, and you are allowed all the add-on charges. That you want to use. These include PAL, Cebu Pacific, Air Philippines, Sea Air, Zest Air. You should note that when you are making a booking thru their websites, they always show and allow you to choose the "Checked-In Baggage Fees". Which runs P150 for 15 kg, P250-280 for 20 kg, etc. Some of them will also charge you P90-250 for seat select. This is what you mean by unbundling. The airfares today are even less than 10 years ago.

For example: Manila. Kalibo roundtrip used to cost about P4, 500. P5, 500 pesos total. I just checked the September fare for all these airlines. The price ranges from P2, 500. P3, 900 total. And just an FYI, I am a Balikbayan, and not a newbie.

No dis-respect given. Just be aware that airlines are UN-BUNDLING their fees. All of them allow a Free Carry-On bag of 7 kg limit.

Newbie and selfish newbie, so be it. I personally worry much more that someone asking for "details" may in fact be much more sinister than a newbie. I recommend that names, images, locations, details always be left somehow vague or hidden.

Back to newbie or semi-newbie behavior. If you see a gal you played with in the picture forum, posted by someone, don't type something asinine like,"hey, I know her, is that Ima Hore from Buttfk Bar on Rizal avenue?" Don't do it!

Short time rooms and VIP rooms. Don't put that on the Internet. One of my fav bars in the Cebu area was recently raided. Okay, I better stop. I'm getting depressed just typing this sht. X.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1319314]Well said SC. He has probably sailed to yet anither country and thread. 14 posts all totally useless.

How many times do newbies do this and never give back. We are not rude or arrogant just pragmatic and sensible. I get loads PMs asking for "digits" which I ignore as newbies think am a nice giving guy LOL (w ell I am but depends who I am giving too and what I am giving LOL)

When are you next in the Philippines SC? Maybe we should host a newbies party LOL[/QUOTE]

BM, I have been posting this info for some time, since a heated discussion on this forum suggesting that guys who do not glove up are certain to get the clap, because all pinay are diseased. It can be seen from my posts on this subject that these kind of statements are just not true.

I am a hard nosed physical scientist, with a pretty solid background in applied statistics. And I get really pissed off when governments create fear campaigns by deliberately mis-informing their constituencies. So I started to use my own experiences as a case study, to inject some real truth into the discussion. After every trip into SE Asia, where I sex women, I get a full set of tests done for all STIs. My doc now has this down to a standard procedure.

Unfortunately, you seem to have no understanding of statistics, risk, probability, likelihood. What I am doing is to put some reality into the discussion. And if I get a positive result from my next test, after my next trip, then I will post that too.

Thanks for reading my post.

G

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1318806]I don't want to be judgemental, but what if.

A) the next time you get tested and it is positive?

B) if there is 1 chance over 1000, what will you do when you reach 999th time? Stop BB, go condom for the 1000th and then go back to BB from 1001 onwards?

Statistics are not working this way.

There is people never having a car accident in 5 years and there is people crashing their car 5 times in the same period. It does not mean the first one crashed 2. 5 times.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Canonade; 1318619]Reading comprehension problem Hatboy? I clearly wrote that I will be in Thailand and the Philippines for a two week holiday in each country, and was seeking the same guidance in both countries to put an itinerary together that will allow me to get the most out of vacation, as this will be my first time entering Southeast Asia.

To the others such as Mr. Arrogant, and the self appointed moderator of the forum, I have read quite a bit of information here on the Philippine and Thailand boards, but it has not helped me put together an itinerary, as I would like to visit different areas. As I also clearly stated, my holiday is a holiday that will allow me to see tourist related things, as well as enjoy the entertainment.

Get off your high horses before you fall, and it will happen.[/QUOTE]Dick head. YOU can't even get my name right. Go away troll. We all couldn't give a shit. Now that you are owned by the crew here are you done? What a waste of time!
The words of officer Barbrady come to mind. Move along! Nothing to see here.

Since we report here... MBC 2nd floor seems to be more about locals hanging out than P4P. This is just my observation. If you want company stay down on the 1st floor for FLs.

Hello CS, thanks for the comment. But rather than post the question to me, how about you do your own research into the numbers. Say for the countries that we frequent, such as Philippines, Thailand, Cambodia. Get the numbers of infections per 1000 population, FOR STI TRANSMITTED BY HETEROSEXUAL SEX. And preferably by non anal heterosexual sex.

And also get the infection rates for some of the developed countries, like USA, UK, Canada, Australia. And then post the comparisons here, in the form of a table, so that everyone can see. If I recall correctly, the most dangerous country among that lot, with the highest infection rate, and hence highest risk of HIV is the USA.

But don't believe me, do it for yourself. Just do the best that you can to get unbiased numbers. When you are collecting rates for HIV infection, just make sure that you do not include infections through homosexual activity, nor intravenous drug users. Only heterosexual sex.

Good luck, and I am anticipating some interesting numbers.

G

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1318149]Are we meant to be impressed by your statistics? I would congratulate you but on what I'm not too sure. It rather like applauding the guy successfully playing Russian roulette knowing that the very next try he might blow his fucking brains out.

Have you read any good statistics lately on STD / HIV infection rates in developing countries?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mistral Blue; 1319129]This is my first post here. I booked three internal flights today for £55 ($85) in the month of December! There's a sale on at Cebu Pacific but you have to book by August 26th for travel between 1st Oct and 31st Dec, international destinations as well as domestic. I have no connection with CPac, just a customer.

Also I noticed that Airphilexpress are very sneaky with their baggage charges. Free allowance is only 10kg and then 150P per kg on top of that![/QUOTE]Be carefull about the baggage charges. If you paid for 15 KG it has to under that. Once I had 15. 5KG and the girl made me take 0. 5KG and out and put in my carry on. She weighed my carry on also to make sure it is not overweight.

[QUOTE=Genuis8;1319413]No dis-respect given. Just be aware that airlines are UN-BUNDLING their fees. All of them allow a Free Carry-On bag of 7 kg limit.[/QUOTE]No dis-respect taken. (smile) I was merely pointing out that on Airphilexpress 20kg checked luggage will cost you 1, 500P, whereas on CPac it typically costs 280P. Quite a difference. The free carry-on bag is great if you can get away with 17kg total (10kg checked + 7kg carry-on) but I'm flying halfway across the world for 5 weeks, so I need more than that.

I will be sure to keep to the limits, Sammon, thanks for the heads-up.

[QUOTE=Gangles;1319428]Hello CS, thanks for the comment. But rather than post the question to me, how about you do your own research into the numbers. Say for the countries that we frequent, such as Philippines, Thailand, Cambodia. Get the numbers of infections per 1000 population, FOR STI TRANSMITTED BY HETEROSEXUAL SEX. And preferably by non anal heterosexual sex.[/QUOTE]Why should I want to do that? I'm not a barebacker. I take all reasonable prophylactic precautions when indulging in P4P sex. I know that there is some nasty shit out there and with the emergence of antibiotic-resistant strains, its getting nastier by the day. It is my personal opinion that anyone who is cognizant of the risks but still insistent on uncovered sex with prostitutes is borderline insane and a danger to themselves and others.

And that is the issue, exactly. What are the risks? If you engage in unprotected sex, what is the risk of death? What is the risk of catching a disease that is curable with a couple of pills?

Is it 1:100, 1:1, 000, 000, 1:100, 000, 000. Unless you know this, you cannot make an informed judgement as to whether to take the risk.

Everybody takes risks every day, but they accept the risk and get on with life. The most dangerous place for any western person is in their kitchen. The kitchen carries a relatively high risk of death or injury. But people accept the risk.

If you did the research that I suggested, and you found that the risk of death through driving a car was higher than the risk of death through HIV infection, would you stop driving your car? I would guess your answer would be no. That is, you accept the risk of death through driving. And you know that thousands of people die in vehicle accidents every year on the roads.

So if the risk of death through HIV is lower than the risk of death through driving, why would you still insist on condoms? The reason why is that you have been fed a lot of propaganda created by governments to frighten people into a particular form of behaviour. You said it yourself. Anyone who is cognizant of the risks.

When I post the figures, I am providing you with some hard evidence by which you can make your own assessments of the risk. This is true, hard, field data. It is very hard to get this from government sources, because they do not want you to know. Another research project you could do is to go back through every photo posted on ISG that shows male penis in or close to female vagina or anus. Count all photos, and also count the number of photos in which the penis is bareback. That would give you some indication of the degree of risk assumed by the ISG community as a whole. If you do this, please publish the numbers. It would be a very interesting research project.

For example, the Australian government annually publishes figures for new HIV infections per year in Australia. It is usually about 1100. Sounds pretty frightening. But if you can drill down through the numbers, when the number of infections from homosexual sex is deducted, then the numbers of infections through intravenous drug use are deducted, it drops to 5. That is, about 5 persons per year are infected with HIV from heterosexual sex. There are roughly 120, 000, 000 heterosexual acts in Australia between couples of sexually active age in Australia. So the risk of contracting HIV through heterosexual sex is about 5:120, 000, 000, or about 1 in 24, 000, 000 f*cks.

That is a very low risk. If that level of risk is intolerable to you, then you would never get out of bed, never drive your car, never go into your kitchen. And remember that is the rate of HIV infection, not the rate of death through HIV. But our government implements a dishonest fear campaign to stop all persons from sex without a condom.

My doctor says to me that he is OK to sex his wife without a condom because he is married. I remind him that about 50% of married women have sex outside marriage in Australia, so there is a likelihood that your wife may contract a disease that way. He knows that I am right, so we start talking about something else.

What do you think?

Happy mongering,

G.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1319582]Why should I want to do that? I'm not a barebacker. I take all reasonable prophylactic precautions when indulging in P4P sex. I know that there is some nasty shit out there and with the emergence of antibiotic-resistant strains, its getting nastier by the day. It is my personal opinion that anyone who is cognizant of the risks but still insistent on uncovered sex with prostitutes is borderline insane and a danger to themselves and others.[/QUOTE]

I'm posting this here since I don't know which forum is appropriate.

So I was on FilipinoCupid, and found a real hottie on there. In my experience, these hotties are usually fake profiles.

However, I hit her up anyway and asked if she'd be up for a one night stand. She gave me her Facebook info. And told me to add her, which I did. We chatted for a bit on Facebook, and then she asked if I have Skype. So we started Skyping.

Eventually, she gets really dirty and says she wants to masturbate. I tell her to go ahead, and she turns on her cam, and surprisingly, it's the same girl from the photos! Or at least, someone who looks just about the same. Same fine body with nice tits and all. So she starts masturbating and I'm thinking "is this for real?"

Eventually she stops and asks me to pull out my dick. I tell her no, that I'll show it to her in person. She was so insistent on seeing it and wouldn't let it go. Eventually after about 30 minutes, she let it go, and said she'd still meet me in person.

Now. What's the deal here? Was she waiting to get a screen shot and try to blackmail me? Anyone know of anything like this? Is it possible her masturbation was a pre-recorded video she was feeding to me through Skype?

Hmm.

[QUOTE=Byung;1321422]Now. What's the deal here? Was she waiting to get a screen shot and try to blackmail me? Anyone know of anything like this? Is it possible her masturbation was a pre-recorded video she was feeding to me through Skype?[/QUOTE]She wasn't masturbating in the kitchen, was she? That's risky!

Has she got your real name? Are you married and she know it and how to contact your wife? Really don't see how she can blackmail you.

PM me her YM handle and I'll check her out for you..lol.

Think you missed a horny babe on the cusp there mate. Chance might not come again.

Or did you dream the whole thing?

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1321434]She wasn't masturbating in the kitchen, was she? That's risky![/QUOTE]Safer though if she was wearing rubber gloves!

[QUOTE=Byung; 1321422]I'm posting this here since I don't know which forum is appropriate.

Eventually she stops and asks me to pull out my dick. I tell her no, that I'll show it to her in person. She was so insistent on seeing it and wouldn't let it go. Eventually after about 30 minutes, she let it go, and said she'd still meet me in person.

Now. What's the deal here? Was she waiting to get a screen shot and try to blackmail me? Anyone know of anything like this? Is it possible her masturbation was a pre-recorded video she was feeding to me through Skype?

Hmm.[/QUOTE]Never ever get naked on cam for a girl you haven't met in person. Scammer sites on occasion get firsthand reports from gents who are being blackmailed. You have cam-sex with her, and she suddenly wants $500 / month to not show the video of you to your FB friends or wife. Cam sex can be fun, but only amongst friends (you don't have any friends among your chatmates whom you haven't fucked-and-photo'd yourself). If only one guy a year writes into those sites to tell his story, bunches of other guys are too afraid to tell their similar story. Meet her and have fun, but don't show your face / dick on cam at the same time.

http://dragonladies.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4521

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1321506]Never ever get naked on cam for a girl you haven't met in person. Scammer sites on occasion get firsthand reports from gents who are being blackmailed. You have cam-sex with her, and she suddenly wants $500 / month to not show the video of you to your FB friends or wife. Cam sex can be fun, but only amongst friends (you don't have any friends among your chatmates whom you haven't fucked-and-photo'd yourself). If only one guy a year writes into those sites to tell his story, bunches of other guys are too afraid to tell their similar story. Meet her and have fun, but don't show your face / dick on cam at the same time.

[url]http://dragonladies.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4521[/url][/QUOTE]Or of course you don't share your real identity, you only have a fb account for looking at potential gf pics, she only knows your " play" phone number etc. Just like you use the safe in the hotel, so you should use the "safe" in dealing with people who might just want to know a little bit too much about you.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1321506]You have cam-sex with her, and she suddenly wants $500 / month to not show the video of you to your FB friends or wife.[/QUOTE]They maybe deserve any trouble they get if they are daft enough to use their own genuine profile for this sort of thing. Do tell me you didn't Byung? It takes a few minutes to create an entirely fictitious email and fb account and then you can get wheel out the heavy artillery on cam to your hearts desire!

Hey guys,

I've to the Philippines several times but I usually fly with major airlines. On my next trip over, I'll be going on a little mini trip while in the Philippines and was wondering if any of you guys have had positive or negative experiences with Cebu Air, Jetstar and SeAir Airlines? Any and all experiences and info will be helpful and greatly appreciated!

Thanks again!

[QUOTE=YG365; 1321838]Hey guys,

I've to the Philippines several times but I usually fly with major airlines. On my next trip over, I'll be going on a little mini trip while in the Philippines and was wondering if any of you guys have had positive or negative experiences with Cebu Air, Jetstar and SeAir Airlines? Any and all experiences and info will be helpful and greatly appreciated!

Thanks again![/QUOTE]I have no problems recomending Ceby Pacific Airlines (major LCC airline in the phillipines). Relatively new fleet with Airbuses (A319 and A320). And some ATR42/72 for short domestic flights. I flew with them from Kuala Lumpur to Manila and from Manila to Bangkok without any hazzle whatsoever. It is also cheap and my flights were also on time (both departures and arrivals). In my mind this airline is better than many major airlines I have flown with. NB! If you have rather long legs you can early in your online bookingprocess by yourself a seat by the emergency exits. That is cheap and you have nice space for your feet.

So thumbs up for Cebu Pacific. No I am not involved in the company whatsoever.

[QUOTE=YG365; 1321838]Hey guys,

I've to the Philippines several times but I usually fly with major airlines. On my next trip over, I'll be going on a little mini trip while in the Philippines and was wondering if any of you guys have had positive or negative experiences with Cebu Air, Jetstar and SeAir Airlines? Any and all experiences and info will be helpful and greatly appreciated!

Thanks again![/QUOTE]Has been plenty of discussion on this before YG.

Depends who you speak is the short answer. I have flown all three you mentioned as well as PAL and AirPhil Express. I tend to use Cebu Pac as I like it (others hate it). SEAir is OK also and has recently been acquired by Tiger (I think?). Well 40% shareholding.

I find Jetstar has slightly more roomy and comfortable seats big guys like me but YMMV.

And it depends on your destination and times you want to fly the budget airlines. Watch out for baggage charges also and excess at the airport. It all adds up if you don't pay attention when booking

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1321905]Has been plenty of discussion on this before YG.

Depends who you speak is the short answer. I have flown all three you mentioned as well as PAL and AirPhil Express. I tend to use Cebu Pac as I like it (others hate it). SEAir is OK also and has recently been acquired by Tiger (I think?). Well 40% shareholding.

I find Jetstar has slightly more roomy and comfortable seats big guys like me but YMMV.

And it depends on your destination and times you want to fly the budget airlines. Watch out for baggage charges also and excess at the airport. It all adds up if you don't pay attention when booking[/QUOTE]Thanks Wicked Roger!

I appreciate your ideas, experiences and reviews. I just want to make sure I get from point A to point B. Proabably my only concern. I also wouldn't mind avoiding Delays. I'm trying to go to Hong Kong or Thailand in October. If not, I can do my 2 weeks in Manilla and Angeles.

[QUOTE=YG365; 1321838]Hey guys,

I've to the Philippines several times but I usually fly with major airlines. On my next trip over, I'll be going on a little mini trip while in the Philippines and was wondering if any of you guys have had positive or negative experiences with Cebu Air, Jetstar and SeAir Airlines? Any and all experiences and info will be helpful and greatly appreciated!

Thanks again![/QUOTE]If I have to rank them:

1. JETSTAR. Quantas budget airline and with AIRASIA probably the best budget airline in asia if not the world. Roomier, much more on time then the other 2 (by FAR) , and good planes and service.

2. Cebu Pac. Usually ok but boy when the fuck things up nothing can fix it. I have had my luggage lost, being put on a plane that lended in a different airport then they expected me to seat in a packed bus for hour and a half to get to my destination. They gave me free flights to compensate but thats not the point. Out of around 30 flights with them I would say 20% have had delays or been somewhat problematic.

3. SEAIR. Code sharing with Tiger. They once changed my flight from 8am to 5am and didn't notify me. I had conecting flights to europe and had a bad feeling the day before so after getting to my room I checked the tiger website and freaked out when I saw my flight was not on it. On the end the hotel staff figured it out once the spoke to the airport and I had 3 people helping me pack to catch the flight. They also have small shitty planes compared to the other 2.

Where can I get a lead on a reliable tour service

[QUOTE=Tony Knight;1323407]Where can I get a lead on a reliable tour service[/QUOTE]I keep in touch with a travel agent, well, two actually. One in high end. Including arranging golf tours, and the second, not so expensive.

If you are starved for options, I can refer them to you.

What is your itinerary? If not much, you could actually DIY.

What do you mean?

[QUOTE=Tony Knight;1323407]Where can I get a lead on a reliable tour service[/QUOTE]

In my experience if Jetstar screw up they give you vouchers for more Jetstar. This can backfire. Haha. At least they try. Go on Facebook and look at some of the complaints from both foreigners and Philippinos for Cebu Pathetic. I will admit I over reacted with my own complaint. (Typhoon was enough of a reason but I did get shafted by both my insurance company and my employer on that one.)

I don't think I will bother with CP again though. Their staff are rude bitches and the company doesn't discipline them.

Another good low cost carrier IMHO is peach airline. But they are Japan based. Only good experiences with them so far.

[QUOTE=Tony Knight;1323407]Where can I get a lead on a reliable tour service[/QUOTE]Are you a NGO what you ask for is illegal [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_tourism[/url] What I could see in your post history you asked the same question in the China area.

[QUOTE=Frenzy3; 1323615]Are you a NGO what you ask for is illegal.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_tourism[/url]

What I could see in your post history you asked the same question in the China area.[/QUOTE]Hick hick. Ouch. Now did I not see that.

Tony Knight: I just remembered, I don't know any tour operator in Philippines (I was meaning the professional tour operators anyway.)

Does anybody know how cheap some beachfront land is in the Philippines? Preferably with in an hour of a city and has cell coverage, maybe 5-10 acres on or close to the beach. Need to know the cheapest price.

Thanks in Advance!

[QUOTE=Master Monger; 1325279]Does anybody know how cheap some beachfront land is in the Philippines? Preferably with in an hour of a city and has cell coverage, maybe 5-10 acres on or close to the beach. Need to know the cheapest price.

Thanks in Advance![/QUOTE]You should rephrase your question and inquire into how expensive it is. Have you ever been to the Philippines? Most "beachfront" property isn't that nice and you are looking at a large chunk. Quality beachfront is not at all cheap.

1. First check it out on any of the Philippines advertising sites.

2. Next, prepare to get married to own it.

3. Third, find a good lawyer there.

4. Finally, make sure you have more common sense than money

[QUOTE=Master Monger; 1325279]Does anybody know how cheap some beachfront land is in the Philippines? Preferably with in an hour of a city and has cell coverage, maybe 5-10 acres on or close to the beach. Need to know the cheapest price.

Thanks in Advance![/QUOTE]Philippines is made up with 7000 islands, how about you come here and work out which island you like, I live in Cebu and you can not find that size land that close to the city.

You also can not own more than 40% of the land, so good luck finding some one you can trust with the 60% they can own a gun and hire a hit, you will only ever own the 40%

Does anyone in Bohol or Visayans know anything about this one?

[url]http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/236477/belgian-killed-in-the-philippines-suspect-arrested[/url]

I heard beach properties on the West side of Luzon, 10-15 miles North of Manilla, are still reasonable. I know a Pinoy who owns some beach properties there. He can point you to the right direction if you are interested. The guy lives in the US, vacationing at his beach home occasionally for the 18 YO girls. he said the girls are young, sexy. good-looking and very sweet.

Would be very nice to have a bar / whoorehouse on the beach, stocked with good liquours ans sexy, good-looking girls. Let me know when you have your bar up and running.

Let's do a tour of Philippines' beach towns some time.

[QUOTE=Master Monger; 1325279]Does anybody know how cheap some beachfront land is in the Philippines? Preferably with in an hour of a city and has cell coverage, maybe 5-10 acres on or close to the beach. Need to know the cheapest price.

Thanks in Advance![/QUOTE]

There is a rule about the cost of things. On average the most expensive quality you can find will only be 6 times doubled more than the cheapest, unless you are using some special materials or special circumstances. I often kick myself because I could have bought land in Bali, Indonesia, close to the beach for about $5, 000 an acre just 8 years ago. I live in China and no one can really buy land here. Finding a Filipino wife would be fine and I am sure I can find one I can brainwash easy enough. I do have about a 90% success rate in talking my girlfriends into threesomes. The real question is how much one acre will cost me and is it possible to get it cheaper if I buy a bigger lot 5-10 acres. Which Island is irrelevant at this point until I know the costs and whether my idea is feasible.

Cost Rule Example: The cheapest ST in the world is about $5 and there are girls over $320 but not many.

5. 10. 20. 40. 80. 160. 320.

[QUOTE=Master Monger; 1325279]Does anybody know how cheap some beachfront land is in the Philippines? Preferably with in an hour of a city and has cell coverage, maybe 5-10 acres on or close to the beach. Need to know the cheapest price.

Thanks in Advance![/QUOTE]Your words sound like a grand invite to scammers.

Well, I know a dozen properties, where will you send the cheque to?

In reality, unless you are on some investment program, my past knowledge shows, any beach front property gets 'taken' over under one or other violation. Which can range from engaging foreign architects, not accredited with the PRC. To destruction of natural resource. So the big guy in town can inherit the property for his own use.

Hatguy: did you know that getting work done in Philippines is not important, sounding sweet is more important. In that score Cebu Pac scores mightily. After all, it is FUN IN THE PHILPPINES

[QUOTE=Master Monger; 1325668]There is a rule about the cost of things. On average the most expensive quality you can find will only be 6 times doubled more than the cheapest, unless you are using some special materials or special circumstances. I often kick myself because I could have bought land in Bali, Indonesia, close to the beach for about $5, 000 an acre just 8 years ago. I live in China and no one can really buy land here. Finding a Filipino wife would be fine and I am sure I can find one I can brainwash easy enough. I do have about a 90% success rate in talking my girlfriends into threesomes. The real question is how much one acre will cost me and is it possible to get it cheaper if I buy a bigger lot 5-10 acres. Which Island is irrelevant at this point until I know the costs and whether my idea is feasible.

Cost Rule Example: The cheapest ST in the world is about $5 and there are girls over $320 but not many.

5. 10. 20. 40. 80. 160. 320.[/QUOTE]Then I have an answer for you: The most expensive apartments in Hong Kong cost about 30000 Euros per square meter. Since that is considered one of the most expensive places in the world, you should be able to find an apartment in the Philippines for 468.75 Euros per square meter. Now take another set of such wise rules and I am sure you can work out how much your land should be.

By the way: "six times doubled" is "two power six" which equals to 64.

When in Hong Kong I'm thinking of flying in a girl from Phils to spend some time with me. She was good fun when I met her in Angeles. For the cost of the airfare and food, I'm sure she can be good fun again.

As far as meeting them on Arrival at Hong Kong airport, does anyone have any tips?

I'll be arriving on a flight around the same time. So, I need a fail safe system that she can meet up with me.

I'm thinking of waiting for her at airport Meeting Point or perhaps at an Arrivals Lounge. Any suggestions?

Also, she will obviously be travelling on her Philippines passport, any issues that you might be aware of upon her arrival at HKG. Do they really check for available funds? She will have a prepaid return air tix.

Thoughts appreciated.

BD

[QUOTE=BrainDrain; 1328363]When in Hong Kong I'm thinking of flying in a girl from Phils to spend some time with me. She was good fun when I met her in Angeles. For the cost of the airfare and food, I'm sure she can be good fun again.

As far as meeting them on Arrival at Hong Kong airport, does anyone have any tips?

I'll be arriving on a flight around the same time. So, I need a fail safe system that she can meet up with me.

I'm thinking of waiting for her at airport Meeting Point or perhaps at an Arrivals Lounge. Any suggestions?

Also, she will obviously be travelling on her Philippines passport, any issues that you might be aware of upon her arrival at HKG. Do they really check for available funds? She will have a prepaid return air tix.

Thoughts appreciated.

BD[/QUOTE]Me remembers this was discussed before. You should fret about getting her out of Philippines LOL.

The BI has been empowered to stop human traffickers like you. (that was in jest) and in the process, stop or try to stop everybody leaving. But, hey, it doesn't seem to be working well though.

For Singapore, I know, you need a LOA (grandiose name for an invite letter. Letter of Affidavit). For HK. No clue.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain; 1328363]When in Hong Kong I'm thinking of flying in a girl from Phils to spend some time with me. She was good fun when I met her in Angeles. For the cost of the airfare and food, I'm sure she can be good fun again.

As far as meeting them on Arrival at Hong Kong airport, does anyone have any tips?

I'll be arriving on a flight around the same time. So, I need a fail safe system that she can meet up with me.

I'm thinking of waiting for her at airport Meeting Point or perhaps at an Arrivals Lounge. Any suggestions?

Also, she will obviously be travelling on her Philippines passport, any issues that you might be aware of upon her arrival at HKG. Do they really check for available funds? She will have a prepaid return air tix.

Thoughts appreciated.

BD[/QUOTE]If she looks cute, is under 30 all I can say is good luck with her gettting on a flight. The Immigration nazis will question her till she finds she has missed her flight.

Lots and lots of stories about this to be found in Philippines board. Oh and in HK airport there are two exits. They are helpfully labelled A and B. LOL. Arrange to meet at one of these. Assuming she gets on the plane.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1328679]If she looks cute, is under 30 all I can say is good luck with her gettting on a flight. The Immigration nazis will question her till she finds she has missed her flight.

Lots and lots of stories about this to be found in Philippines board. Oh and in HK airport there are two exits. They are helpfully labelled A and B. LOL. Arrange to meet at one of these. Assuming she gets on the plane.[/QUOTE]And BD. Fly to Manila and accompany her as looks better but even then it still might not be enough.

Well known fugitives are able to leave with ease despite there being a huge bounty on them and lots of publicity. But a pinay with a return ticket and hotel booking is much tougher. (I know a girl with holiday package trip (ie ticket and hotel pre paid in advance) turned away and she was 31 years old!)

I have been to HK with a pinay twice (and came back LOL) but despite her being a seasoned overseas traveller she was still asked really annoying questions.

OK, thanks for the tips on the Hong Kong trip. Unfortunately I don't have the time to swing by Manila on this trip and meet her. For the P4000 airfare I'll just have ti risk it. If it comes off I get a gf for the w / end. If it doesn't work then I'll just buy locally in HKG. I take from this that I'll still need a list of DH and maids from Tagged. Thanks guys. Again.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1329005]OK, thanks for the tips on the Hong Kong trip. Unfortunately I don't have the time to swing by Manila on this trip and meet her. For the P4000 airfare I'll just have ti risk it. If it comes off I get a gf for the w / end. If it doesn't work then I'll just buy locally in HKG. I take from this that I'll still need a list of DH and maids from Tagged. Thanks guys. Again.[/QUOTE]Just tell her to give herself plenty of time, and I mean a lot 3. 4 hours early before take off, and she still might not get through, but she has to give herself a chance this is through personal experience and I was with her.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain; 1328363]When in Hong Kong I'm thinking of flying in a girl from Phils to spend some time with me. She was good fun when I met her in Angeles. For the cost of the airfare and food, I'm sure she can be good fun again.

As far as meeting them on Arrival at Hong Kong airport, does anyone have any tips?

I'll be arriving on a flight around the same time. So, I need a fail safe system that she can meet up with me.

I'm thinking of waiting for her at airport Meeting Point or perhaps at an Arrivals Lounge. Any suggestions?

Also, she will obviously be travelling on her Philippines passport, any issues that you might be aware of upon her arrival at HKG. Do they really check for available funds? She will have a prepaid return air tix.

Thoughts appreciated.

BD[/QUOTE]I've done it twice with no issues.

[QUOTE=Globe Spinner;1329404]I've done it twice with no issues.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the positive feedback. I've asked the lady to ask around her network of friends to see what the word is on the girls gossip.

Although my this lady professes to be a cook she recently added me to her FB page. It takes a wile to get use to how many foreign male friends she has. But it does take a few to keep the business turning over.

BD

[QUOTE=BrainDrain; 1328363]When in Hong Kong I'm thinking of flying in a girl from Phils to spend some time with me. Thoughts appreciated.

BD[/QUOTE]I did it once with a 20yo from phils and she was questioned for about an hour at HK immigration (even though she had required cash, a copy of my hotel reservation and even a letter I which I'd written that I'd take care of all her needs during our stay in HK).

Enjoy life!

I want to send some money via Xoom to a friend in Manila. She will pick up the cash at MLHuillier. For fairly obvious reasons, I don't want her to know my primary registered address abroad or the billing address of my credit card. I've never used Xoom before, so I am not exactly sure what happens at the receiver's end. Can anyone tell me if the sender's address is printed on any form that the recipient can see when they pick up the cash?

Many thanks.

Manta Ray

[QUOTE=Manta Ray; 1330301]I want to send some money via Xoom to a friend in Manila. She will pick up the cash at MLHuillier. For fairly obvious reasons, I don't want her to know my primary registered address abroad or the billing address of my credit card. I've never used Xoom before, so I am not exactly sure what happens at the receiver's end. Can anyone tell me if the sender's address is printed on any form that the recipient can see when they pick up the cash?

Many thanks.

Manta Ray[/QUOTE]I sent by Xoom, and she needed my complete name. Don't remember if they asked for full address. Though other remittances did ask. Safest, WU.

Oh, well, ask her if she got a Bank Account, and remit to her bank account. To go by Xoom

I am 52, white, divorced, american, athletic, not bald.

When I go on tagged. Com and try to chat with 18 to 25 year old girls in various poor countries (Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, China, Russia, Ukraine) I don't get many responses.

However in the Philippines, bang! In minutes several girls I message are all excited "Here's my phone number." "Let's chat on cam." "Come and take me." "Thank you sir. I'm happy you like me."

What is with filipinas? 90% of young girls in other countries (at least the ones well enough off to have internet access) would not spit on me. *

[QUOTE=HarryDubois; 1331293]I am 52, white, divorced, american, athletic, not bald.

When I go on tagged. Com and try to chat with 18 to 25 year old girls in various poor countries (Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, China, Russia, Ukraine) I don't get many responses.

However in the Philippines, bang! In minutes several girls I message are all excited "Here's my phone number." "Let's chat on cam." "Come and take me." "Thank you sir. I'm happy you like me."

What is with filipinas? 90% of young girls in other countries (at least the ones well enough off to have internet access) would not spit on me. *[/QUOTE]I believe in most countries it would take a bit more that a click on yes. I am about your age. I chatted up a 25 yo real beauty in Cambodia and it took a while with questions flattering and answers until she added me.

[quote=harrydubois; 1331293]i am 52, white, divorced, american, athletic, not bald.

when i go on tagged. com and try to chat with 18 to 25 year old girls in various poor countries (dominican republic, venezuela, brazil, colombia, costa rica, china, russia, ukraine) i don't get many responses.

however in the philippines, bang! in minutes several girls i message are all excited "here's my phone number." "let's chat on cam." "come and take me." "thank you sir. i'm happy you like me."

what is with filipinas? 90% of young girls in other countries (at least the ones well enough off to have internet access) would not spit on me. *[/quote]i still don't understand. i am a 54 year old chubby guy married to a gorgeous 26 year old filipina who is 90 lbs. soaking wet. i brought her over to the us 8 years ago on a fiancee visa. today she is a us citizen and works in a well paying job with the us government. she certainly doesn't need me for financial security or a green card anymore, yet she still "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url]" me almost every night and usually treats me like a rock star. go figure!

rg

[quote=radical guy; 1331332]i still don't understand. i am a 54 year old chubby guy married to a gorgeous 26 year old filipina who is 90 lbs. soaking wet. i brought her over to the us 8 years ago on a fiancee visa. today she is a us citizen and works in a well paying job with the us government. she certainly doesn't need me for financial security or a green card anymore, yet she still "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url]" me almost every night and usually treats me like a rock star. go figure!

rg[/quote]you must be doing something right. rock on!

[QUOTE=Manta Ray; 1330301]I want to send some money via Xoom to a friend in Manila.

Manta Ray[/QUOTE]Once I passed a few hundred PHP that the girl sold to friends. Can not remember the over head on sending load from one of those web sites, but at least you can be anonymous.

B.

Nice going radical guy! BUT! How long have you been married? If it lasts 10 years then she gets half of anything you got. If you have a pension she gets a % for life.

Who knows the future with you getting older and the guys in her work environment start flirting and looking good.

Am just saying. One never knows the future.

I married a filipina from bicol long ago and brought her to the USA and the marriage failed within 8 years. I know personally of 3 guys who married filipinas and they ended in divorce after 3 years of marriage.

Several lawyers have told me that filipinas are the most ruthless about money in divorce cases.

Oh! I still like filipinas. They are more open minded / flexible in relationship with an older man. But I won't marry anymore at my age. No more taking chances. LOL

[QUOTE=MangoBob68; 1331394]Nice going radical guy! BUT! How long have you been married? If it lasts 10 years then she gets half of anything you got. If you have a pension she gets a % for life.

Who knows the future with you getting older and the guys in her work environment start flirting and looking good.

Am just saying. One never knows the future.

I married a filipina from bicol long ago and brought her to the USA and the marriage failed within 8 years. I know personally of 3 guys who married filipinas and they ended in divorce after 3 years of marriage.

Several lawyers have told me that filipinas are the most ruthless about money in divorce cases.

Oh! I still like filipinas. They are more open minded / flexible in relationship with an older man. But I won't marry anymore at my age. No more taking chances. LOL[/QUOTE]Well, actually I am a lawyer. When we married, we signed a prenup (to protect my kids) , and I made sure it is iron-clad enforceable. That is, I paid for her to have her own lawyer review the prenup and sign off on it. I make a comfortable living, but I have no doubt that my wife could easily find a much richer guy to replace me if money was her sole motivation. She is, however, very religious (Protestant) , and her father is a pastor, so marriage is very important to her. As for me, I have stopped my mongering ways, but I still love reading and participating in this forum, sort of a way to relive the "good ol' days." LOL.

RG

Now you will be receiving the lawyer hating, disgusting, obnoxious and ignorant remarks regarding your profession from those who know nothing about your profession other than being on the wrong side of a good divorce lawyer.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1331665]Now you will be receiving the lawyer hating, disgusting, obnoxious and ignorant remarks regarding your profession from those who know nothing about your profession other than being on the wrong side of a good divorce lawyer.[/QUOTE]That's okay. If I didn't have a thick skin, I'd be in the wrong profession.

RG

[QUOTE=Slippery;1331665]Now you will be receiving the lawyer hating, disgusting, obnoxious and ignorant remarks regarding your profession from those who know nothing about your profession other than being on the wrong side of a good divorce lawyer.[/QUOTE]Actually, I would love to hear more about Prenups with Filipinas. Would love to hear a post about "Top 5 things to consider when Marrying a Filipina." I got it that if you might have to pay for her to get a lawyer to represent her before she signs the Prenup. It would make sense to try and get a Tagalog-speaking, USA trained Filipino Attorney to represent her so that she can't claim a language problem. Anything else? Assume the jurisdiction is the United States.

Do you have any guidance on how to craft an ironclad prenup? I personally am not considering getting married, but I am sure that the thought may cross the mind of our brethren. Just curious.

Thanks.

Why not make a new thread regarding Prenup?

Radical Guy; You have a mission! (insert smiley)

[QUOTE=WhatsUrName; 1331723]Actually, I would love to hear more about Prenups with Filipinas. Would love to hear a post about "Top 5 things to consider when Marrying a Filipina." I got it that if you might have to pay for her to get a lawyer to represent her before she signs the Prenup. It would make sense to try and get a Tagalog-speaking, USA trained Filipino Attorney to represent her so that she can't claim a language problem. Anything else? Assume the jurisdiction is the United States.

Do you have any guidance on how to craft an ironclad prenup? I personally am not considering getting married, but I am sure that the thought may cross the mind of our brethren. Just curious.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marconista; 1331858]Why not make a new thread regarding Prenup?

Radical Guy; You have a mission! (insert smiley) [/QUOTE]The best advice I can offer is, if and when you find that special lady, retain a competent family law attorney in your area to advise you, prepare the prenup, and (very important) instruct you on its execution. In my practice, I have successfully challenged several prenups that were prepared by husbands who wanted to save a few bucks by using LegalZoom or some other do-it-yourself forms package. You can pay now or pay later. If you pay now, you can save big surprises later.

RG

[QUOTE=Radical Guy; 1331894]The best advice I can offer is, if and when you find that special lady, retain a competent family law attorney in your area to advise you, prepare the prenup, and (very important) instruct you on its execution. In my practice, I have successfully challenged several prenups that were prepared by husbands who wanted to save a few bucks by using LegalZoom or some other do-it-yourself forms package. You can pay now or pay later. If you pay now, you can save big surprises later.

RG[/QUOTE]Any in my experience, they pay alot more later. Penny wise and pound foolish.

I have never been to Philippines before. *I am American and 52. Regarding my appearance, I am tall, slim, athletic, white, blue eyes. A lot of people say I look like Drew Pinsky.

[url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/DrDrew1SecondFilm.jpg[/url]

Now here's my question. If stay in the Philippines for a few weeks and wander around the streets, malls, stores, etc introducing myself to pretty, slim girls between the ages of 18 and 25, what are the chances that a few of them will have sex with me for free? I mean free besides the usual expense of a date. Paying for a meal, taxis, etc

I would say, your chances are very high as long as you are not obnoxious. It happened to me many times. Just be kool.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois; 1332025]I have never been to Philippines before. *I am American and 52. Regarding my appearance, I am tall, slim, athletic, white, blue eyes. A lot of people say I look like Drew Pinsky.

[url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/DrDrew1SecondFilm.jpg[/url]

Now here's my question. If stay in the Philippines for a few weeks and wander around the streets, malls, stores, etc introducing myself to pretty, slim girls between the ages of 18 and 25, what are the chances that a few of them will have sex with me for free? I mean free besides the usual expense of a date. Paying for a meal, taxis, etc[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HarryDubois; 1332025]I have never been to Philippines before. *I am American and 52. Regarding my appearance, I am tall, slim, athletic, white, blue eyes. A lot of people say I look like Drew Pinsky.

[url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/DrDrew1SecondFilm.jpg[/url]

Now here's my question. If stay in the Philippines for a few weeks and wander around the streets, malls, stores, etc introducing myself to pretty, slim girls between the ages of 18 and 25, what are the chances that a few of them will have sex with me for free? I mean free besides the usual expense of a date. Paying for a meal, taxis, etc[/QUOTE]That really depends on you and your definition of free.

Reading the forum will reveal plenty of guys whom land and are happily in bed with a sweet pinay within a few ours of clearing customs. Plenty of strategies in the threads.

As for definition of free, you have to pay for food etc, so not really free. The generous money (P2000) you give the lady for a taxi home, which more than coves her jeepney (P8) and that nots payinf for sex? Sex is never free anywhere, but in Phils you can have a pretty good time for not a lot of $$

BD

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1332036]I would say, your chances are very high as long as you are not obnoxious. It happened to me many times. Just be kool.[/QUOTE]Cheapskate and obviously your first trip. So you're going to meet them in a mall or on the street and you think you can even take them to Chow King? Most would slap you sooner or later. And like they're walking around by themselves? Geez. Then there are the working girls that troll the malls looking for Johns. They are few and far between although we have all encountered them. Spend time in the Phils, walk around and try to talk to them and then reassess. Most of the girls would be embarrassed and would not even respond because they're with their friends, sisters, cousins or classmates. Its a very Catholic and conservative country. Apparently you think that some will spend the night with you for the price of a meal. Some will although they are also few and far betwen.

Another nomination for the Stupid Questions thread.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois;1332025]what are the chances that a few of them will have sex with me for free? I mean free besides the usual expense of a date. Paying for a meal, taxis, etc[/QUOTE]Another koripot cheapskate. You are 52, get it together. Almost no one will ask for money. However they will expect some help. We are talking around $20.

The sad thing is that there are a ton of guys with this same fucked up attitude going to the Philippines. I have heard from so many girls that after having sex, the guy doesn't even give them taxi money. These low class losers actually think they are doing the girls a favor by screwing them.

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[QUOTE=HarryDubois;1332025]Now here's my question. If stay in the Philippines for a few weeks and wander around the streets, malls, stores, etc introducing myself to pretty, slim girls between the ages of 18 and 25, what are the chances that a few of them will have sex with me for free? I mean free besides the usual expense of a date. Paying for a meal, taxis, etc[/QUOTE]With a bit of luck (and karma) you just might hit on a girl or woman who is a daughter of the Chief of Police (like the traffic cop 2 weeks ago who tried to extort 20, 000 php from the son of the Manila PNP Director without knowing the identity of who he was targeting).

Foreigners who walk around malls randomly chatting up filipinas are playing Russian roulette.

Security officers are just around every corner.

Just because a filipina smiles at you doesn't mean she is going to jump into bed with you. Just because a Filipino smiles at you doesn't mean he is a bakla or likes you either.

Filipinos / Filipinas are naturally friendly people. You might find out a few truths the hard way if you use random acts of trial and error.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois; 1332025]I have never been to Philippines before. *I am American and 52. Regarding my appearance, I am tall, slim, athletic, white, blue eyes. A lot of people say I look like Drew Pinsky.

[url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/DrDrew1SecondFilm.jpg[/url]

Now here's my question. If stay in the Philippines for a few weeks and wander around the streets, malls, stores, etc introducing myself to pretty, slim girls between the ages of 18 and 25, what are the chances that a few of them will have sex with me for free? I mean free besides the usual expense of a date. Paying for a meal, taxis, etc[/QUOTE]You might get free sex and then you will pay big time, I not sure why you think a young girl will sex you for free since your older than her father? Who cares if your Tom cruse the girls you will meet are looking for a meal ticket and some families here will not be happy that old men are targeting their daughters for free sex.

Still post back how you go as saving that $20 might cost you $10, 000 or your life which seems like a bargain to me as you life sounds like it not worth much.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois; 1332025]I have never been to Philippines before. *I am American and 52. Regarding my appearance, I am tall, slim, athletic, white, blue eyes. A lot of people say I look like Drew Pinsky.

[url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/DrDrew1SecondFilm.jpg[/url]

Now here's my question. If stay in the Philippines for a few weeks and wander around the streets, malls, stores, etc introducing myself to pretty, slim girls between the ages of 18 and 25, what are the chances that a few of them will have sex with me for free? I mean free besides the usual expense of a date. Paying for a meal, taxis, etc[/QUOTE]Why are so many guys cheap charlies when they arrive in the Philippines?

After your undoubted success please come to Saudi Arabia as lots of (rich) girls walk around the mall and love to be chatted up by westerners. Simple and easy and with your technique and looks you will clearly succeed.

[QUOTE=HarryDubois; 1332025]I have never been to Philippines before. *I am American and 52. Regarding my appearance, I am tall, slim, athletic, white, blue eyes. A lot of people say I look like Drew Pinsky.

[url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/DrDrew1SecondFilm.jpg[/url]

Now here's my question. If stay in the Philippines for a few weeks and wander around the streets, malls, stores, etc introducing myself to pretty, slim girls between the ages of 18 and 25, what are the chances that a few of them will have sex with me for free? I mean free besides the usual expense of a date. Paying for a meal, taxis, etc[/QUOTE]
You might want to try the Internet. I can't remember who, but one guy on here had a strategy that seemed to involve chatting with girls who lived in the provinces and then bringing them in for a few days. The only time I have been the the Philippines I was with a girl I was seeing, but I made sure to learn as much as possible from her and others I met. I rarely saw women at the shopping malls walking by themselves and you may want to be careful approaching women at the malls at your age because I noticed that many girls (college and high school aged) go to the malls after school and you probably don't want to be that guy trying to talk to a 16 year old kid. From what I heard from the girl's sister there are also some places where unless you approach the girl speaking Tagalog she will pretty much look through you because she is not a prostitute and speaking to you (a foreigner) will make her seem like one.

I found that on the overall the people were very kind and polite (which can often be mistaken for interest in you). The Philippines also struck me as the type of place where many women you talk to will give you a phone number just to be polite so you may be better served giving yours to them and knowing that the interested ones will call. From what I understand, in some of the beach towns it is a bit easier to meet and get a girlfriend for the night / week without breaking your wallet because they are in abundance and many not working but looking to eat out, go for drinks. If your goal is to meet regular women who are not pros then by all means talk to as many as you can but don't be overly presumptuous. It may also be helpful to adjust your age range. Many filipinas age pretty well and you may have better luck with a woman who is in her late 30s to early 40s. Another plus to adjusting your age range is that you will generally not be competing with mongers and guys in their age range for these women. I noticed that in the Philippines, like many Asian countries, the women seemed to have a peak age where many of the local men were no longer interested in them. I know a lot of men have these images in their mind of meeting young women, but many of those men focus on p4p venues. If you have to have a young girl then you may want to try the nicer night clubs or maybe befriending an older filipina and asking if she knows a nice girl in the age range you are looking for.

I would also recommend that you check your ego at the door. When I was staying in KL I met an older filipina who used to work as a prostitute and eventually opened a bar. She used to and encouraged all of her girls to tell the older white guys how much they wanted to have their babies because of the eyes, hair. And mainly because it seemed to be what a lot of the older white guys liked to hear. Granted I spent most of my time in a provincial town about an hour or two by bus from Manila, but I recall seeing very few foreigners and mixed babies. Even when I went with the girl to shopping malls in Manila and Quezon City there were not a bunch of half white kids running around. The girl I was with kept telling me which celebrities were half American, French. And after a while I started to wonder about her mindset. When I asked if she wanted half white kids she said not really. When I asked if her friends wanted half white kids she said not really. She also told me that even though the majority of celebrities are half Filipino, some people do not consider them real filipinos. I know this sounds like a diatribe but I spent about a while traveling SE Asia and when I go back the one thing I won't be looking forward to is the amount of white guys who think that they are God's greatest gift to the local women. Truth be told once you get away from prostitutes and women who think that as a foreigner you will improve their station in life, the value of your blue eyes and what not decreases drastically. I was outside of a Thai night club and saw a young white guy arguing with a freelancer about how because he is young, handsome (decent shape, large pointed nose, taller than many locals.) and white he should not have to pay anything. She laughed in his face, pointed at a young Thai guy (slim build, tight clothes, slightly feminine features and make-up on his face) and told the white kid that for Thai women that is handsome.

Some forum members seem to be confused regarding my 'Moderator' status and think I am blocking their posts on various Philippine threads. I'm am pleased to inform them that my moderating powers can only be used on my own forum which is relatively moribund.

In preparation for a trip, I am hoping to get some guidance on cell phones. I've never been to PI.

I have an old iPhone 3G. Service on this old phone was disconnected a long time ago (when I upgraded to the 4) and so it's basically an iTouch right now.

I was wondering if I could bring this old iPhone to the Philippines and just pop out the SIM card, buy a new one when I arrive and have it work like a regular PI cell phone? Do I also need to get it "unlocked" at an electronics store? I'm not really sure what that means but in my preliminary research that seems necessary.

Is this the easiest way to go about things? I would strongly prefer avoiding the cost of a new phone, especially since I much prefer smartphones and typing on glass and that is an expensive purchase. What's the best way to repurpose my old iphone for use in PI? If this is the way to go then is there an equivalent in Angeles, Cebu and Manila to MBK in Bangkok. The go to place for cell phones in Thailand.

Many thanks!

Mong

[QUOTE=Mong1225; 1332405]In preparation for a trip, I am hoping to get some guidance on cell phones. I've never been to PI.

I have an old iPhone 3G. Service on this old phone was disconnected a long time ago (when I upgraded to the 4) and so it's basically an iTouch right now.

I was wondering if I could bring this old iPhone to the Philippines and just pop out the SIM card, buy a new one when I arrive and have it work like a regular PI cell phone? Do I also need to get it "unlocked" at an electronics store? I'm not really sure what that means but in my preliminary research that seems necessary. Mong[/QUOTE]1st Thing. The phone has to be UNLOCKED.

To Unlock the Iphone. You can look on Youtube. There are many video's on "unlocking" a Iphone 3G. Following YouTube instructions You can do it yourself. I did. If you are not tech savvy. In Manila you can go to GreenHills shopping center. 2nd floor. There is a tech section (a Mini MBK). In Angeles. Go to Savers Mall. 2nd floor (a couple of booths). But there are places everywhere that can / will do it. It should be cheap. No more than $10 to $20 USD.

In the PI, Once "Unlocked". Buy a SIM card and a LOAD (prepaid cell time) and you good to go. Once you "Unlock" the Iphone 3G you can use it practically any where in the world. Thats why I kept mine. I think that SIM card will stay good as long as you use it once a year. So if you return within a year. You won't need to buy another. Just get a load and you off and running.

[QUOTE=Mong1225;1332405]Do I also need to get it "unlocked" at an electronics store? I'm not really sure what that means but in my preliminary research that seems necessary.[/QUOTE]You only need to get it unlocked if it is locked (duhhhh)

Locked phones are usually those provided by specific carriers under their package deals.

If you bought it from Apple then it shouldn't be locked.

I buy cheap brand new Nokia phones (850php) as gifts and as a second phone direct from a Nokia store and they are good to go as you walk out of the store.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865;1332529]Buy a SIM card and a LOAD (prepaid cell time) and you good to go. .[/QUOTE]Can you recommend a good LOAD card?

I did a little more research and it looks like AT&T will unlock my phone for free because my contract is up on that phone.

Thanks for all the tips!

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1332543]You only need to get it unlocked if it is locked (duhhhh)

I buy cheap brand new Nokia phones (850php) as gifts and as a second phone direct from a Nokia store and they are good to go as you walk out of the store.[/QUOTE]Good point you make RK, I buy very cheap ones here before I travel to the Philippines as gifts and they are always appreciated despite there being no camera etc. The cheapest new Nokia is less then $25.

Also my last cheap mobile lasted 5 years. Much longer than my fancy phones!

[QUOTE=Mong1225; 1332405]In preparation for a trip, I am hoping to get some guidance on cell phones. I've never been to PI.

I have an old iPhone 3G. Service on this old phone was disconnected a long time ago (when I upgraded to the 4) and so it's basically an iTouch right now.

IMong[/QUOTE]Last year I took my old iphone to the local mall in Manila and paid a kiosk worker 500 Peso to change my provider from AT&T, to Smart. It made life so much easier than my cheap Nokia. I hated texting on the Nokia, would take me forever to type a simple response to my lady friends. Before you check into a hotel, you can walk down the hallways and the iphone will show you the room with the strongest wifi signal.

If you have a Slingbox at home, you can easily watch all the NFL, MLB, ect from most malls or hotles. Have the phone guy also download some apps and music for you.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1332543]You only need to get it unlocked if it is locked (duhhhh)

Locked phones are usually those provided by specific carriers under their package deals.

If you bought it from Apple then it shouldn't be locked.

I buy cheap brand new Nokia phones (850php) as gifts and as a second phone direct from a Nokia store and they are good to go as you walk out of the store.[/QUOTE]Also make sure you take advantage of the Specials available with Smart and others. RK showed me how you can get Unlimitted free texting for a number of days. Also buy extra load because the girls instantly start asking you to pass them loads.

[QUOTE=Bob Bowie;1332598]If you have a Slingbox at home, you can easily watch all the NFL, MLB, ect from most malls or hotles.[/QUOTE]If you do so in Pasay, you might want to avoid cheering too loudly in public or waving your stars and stripes around.

[url]http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=853942&publicationSubCategoryId=63[/url]

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1332580]Good point you make RK, I buy very cheap ones here before I travel to the Philippines as gifts and they are always appreciated despite there being no camera etc. The cheapest new Nokia is less then $25.

Also my last cheap mobile lasted 5 years. Much longer than my fancy phones![/QUOTE]I give them away every time I return to USA and whatever family member receives is is most appreciative.

[QUOTE=Skip Kost; 1332638]If you do so in Pasay, you might want to avoid cheering too loudly in public or waving your stars and stripes around.

[url]http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=853942&publicationSubCategoryId=63[/url][/QUOTE]Lucky I look Canadian, eh?

[QUOTE=Bob Bowie;1332962]Lucky I look Canadian, eh?[/QUOTE]As long as you tune in only NHL, CFL, and curling you're probably safe. Curling would really confuse the hell out of them.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1332357]. I can't remember who, but one guy I was outside of a Thai night club and saw a young white guy arguing with a freelancer about how because he is young, handsome (decent shape, large pointed nose, taller than many locals.) and white he should not have to pay anything. She laughed in his face, pointed at a young Thai guy (slim build, tight clothes, slightly feminine features and make-up on his face) and told the white kid that for Thai women that is handsome.[/QUOTE]I love this story. The bar girl was probably pointing out her pimp / boyfriend. IMHO the bar girl, all things being equal, will prefer the young foreigner. But not with any loss of income. For middle class girls, college educated, our young friend should be offering his education and his prospects, not his foreign looks. Same as most anywhere in the world.

[QUOTE=Cbea20;1333395]I love this story. The bar girl was probably pointing out her pimp / boyfriend. IMHO the bar girl, all things being equal, will prefer the young foreigner. But not with any loss of income. For middle class girls, college educated, our young friend should be offering his education and his prospects, not his foreign looks. Same as most anywhere in the world.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Given a choice, with no $, [B]most [/B]Filipinas prefer Filipino men. Especially the middle class.

The poorer people are opposite. They see westerners as a way out of poverty. So be prepared in that score too if things become messy. (not that I need to remind you guys.)

[QUOTE=Cbea20;1333395]I love this story. The bar girl was probably pointing out her pimp / boyfriend. IMHO the bar girl, all things being equal, will prefer the young foreigner. But not with any loss of income. For middle class girls, college educated, our young friend should be offering his education and his prospects, not his foreign looks. Same as most anywhere in the world.[/QUOTE]White guys don't stand a chance against K-pop looking Korean men in Asia now a days. Most girls in Asia prefer K-pop clean cut, boyish, gayish, feminist look than blonder, taller, long nose guys who seeks to balance his earnings with his looks. Those days are looooong gone. Besides Korean boys have more money than an average Farang guy 'because he gets to spend all his fathers money easily hehehe

Just go to a K-pop concert near your town and be amazed by the transformation, blonde girls are after korean men. I'm reading messages in DIA from girls in Hungary wanting to date Korean men.

[QUOTE=Starchild2012; 1333471]White guys don't stand a chance against K-pop looking Korean men in Asia now a days. Most girls in Asia prefer K-pop clean cut, boyish, gayish, feminist look than blonder, taller, long nose guys who seeks to balance his earnings with his looks. Those days are looooong gone. Besides Korean boys have more money than an average Farang guy 'because he gets to spend all his fathers money easily hehehe

Just go to a K-pop concert near your town and be amazed by the transformation, blonde girls are after korean men. I'm reading messages in DIA from girls in Hungary wanting to date Korean men.[/QUOTE]LOL, you have NO idea. By the way those photos / profiles are 90% fake/scammers. Just start a convo in the language where they are from and see what happens.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1297851]No, I don't get the big tipping either. Everybody needs a little pornogrphy once in a while, but it is free on the internet. Who the fuck pays for it nowadays? I sometimes visit MFC.

[url]http://www.myfreecams.com/#[/url]

And chat with a couple of cute Filipinas there. HotWoniSy & Sh0ckbabe are two of my favorite Filipina girls on the site. In the beginning, I gave each of them small tips totaling less than $10 each in order to get their attention and establish YM contact. Over a year or so, I have had many private Yahoo Messenger chats with both girls and they seemed genuinely interested in hooking up, but once in Manila, meetings with the girls always fell through at the last minute for one lame reason or another. I have given up on it.

I see guys throw $10, $20, even $50 at these two little porn queens all the time just to see them play with their pussy's or dance around naked. It is crazy and a little sad. For the same money they could have a real Filipina girl rock their world all night long. All they have to do is get out of their rooms and get on a plane to the PI.

The biggest star on MFC is an American girl, AspenRae. This broad is famous. She now has her own web site and has been featured on Howard Stern twice. When she comes on cam, she gathers 300 or more viewers. Guys throw serious money at her. $20's, $50, $100's. She must make thousands $$$ per day with her pleasing personality, showing off her sexy body & masturbating for her audience. I must admit, I like watching her too, although I have never tipped her. Check her out WestCoast. She is pretty amazing.[/QUOTE]I have been chatting with hotwonisy also. She is cute. YM for a long time too. Talked about hooking up but I guess all lies. I wonder if anyone hook up with her in real life.

[QUOTE=Fredje1961; 1329984]I did it once with a 20yo from phils and she was questioned for about an hour at HK immigration (even though she had required cash, a copy of my hotel reservation and even a letter I which I'd written that I'd take care of all her needs during our stay in HK).

Enjoy life![/QUOTE]I tried that back in January. They would not let her in. 24 hours in detention while I am outside waiting not knowing anything. She was sent back. They told her she is there to prostitute. Did not matter that she told them I am outside waiting. They said I am pimp. Next time I will travel with her together.

[QUOTE=Starchild2012;1333471]White guys don't stand a chance against K-pop looking Korean men in Asia now a days. Most girls in Asia prefer K-pop clean cut, boyish, gayish, feminist look than blonder, taller, long nose guys who seeks to balance his earnings with his looks. Those days are looooong gone. Besides Korean boys have more money than an average Farang guy 'because he gets to spend all his fathers money easily hehehe[/QUOTE]Respectfully disagree: Note the large number of pics we keep posting.

[QUOTE=Prodigy888;1333588]I tried that back in January. They would not let her in. 24 hours in detention while I am outside waiting not knowing anything. She was sent back. They told her she is there to prostitute. Did not matter that she told them I am outside waiting. They said I am pimp. Next time I will travel with her together.[/QUOTE]Interesting. IN Singapore, the Immigration doesn't accuse anybody, they just smile and say 'entry denied'

Of course, traveling together is the best way to avoid this.

[QUOTE=Starchild2012; 1333471]White guys don't stand a chance against K-pop looking Korean men in Asia now a days. Most girls in Asia prefer K-pop clean cut, boyish, gayish, feminist look than blonder, taller, long nose guys who seeks to balance his earnings with his looks. Those days are looooong gone. Besides Korean boys have more money than an average Farang guy 'because he gets to spend all his fathers money easily hehehe

Just go to a K-pop concert near your town and be amazed by the transformation, blonde girls are after korean men. I'm reading messages in DIA from girls in Hungary wanting to date Korean men.[/QUOTE]As someone who has lived in Korea for over 18 months and spent a lot of time in Jjimjilbang's. Korean men have tragically small members, so it makes sense that they need to throw around daddy's money to get attention.

That is an interesting statement about the size of Korean mens' cocks. Because the measured average is 5. 5", a bit shorter than the average length of US white males at 6. 0". So not that much different. An average of 5. 5" means that there is a range of sizes from very short. Maybe 1", to long, maybe 9". Pretty much the same as US guys.

Also interesting is experiencing a large disco / bar in which almost all pinay are interested only in Koreans, and refuse to go with white guys. And the Koreans are mid 20's, healthy, good looking. Many of them are in school, or taking english language classes.

G.

[QUOTE=Lloyd Journey;1333808]As someone who has lived in Korea for over 18 months and spent a lot of time in Jjimjilbang's. Korean men have tragically small members, so it makes sense that they need to throw around daddy's money to get attention.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gangles;1334771]That is an interesting statement about the size of Korean mens' cocks. Because the measured average is 5. 5", a bit shorter than the average length of US white males at 6. 0". So not that much different. An average of 5. 5" means that there is a range of sizes from very short. Maybe 1", to long, maybe 9". Pretty much the same as US guys.[/QUOTE]

You are the certified (or maybe should be..lol) ISG king of the barmy stats. Would just love to see the learned published statistical survey from which you extracted this gem. Please post a link. I can just imagine the summarized justification offered by the lead scientist to obtain funding for his research project.

'Myself and my team of dedicated statisticians intend to travel to the four corners of the world in order to carry out a comparative study of erect penile members respective of colour, creed and social group. It is an important piece of work which is long overdue. It wil also be a lot of fun, particularly for the female and gay members of the team. We also intend to carry out a similar study of the length and depth of female vagina's, which will be carried out simultaneously by the hetero members of the team'.

For the edification of yourself and all other harmless nutters on ISG, did you know that they have finally found the fabled trouser snake, alive and well and living in South America? They have yet to measure it!

[url]http://www.inquisitr.com/292028/penis-snake-discovered-in-brazil/[/url]

[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1333739]Interesting. IN Singapore, the Immigration doesn't accuse anybody, they just smile and say 'entry denied'

Of course, traveling together is the best way to avoid this.[/QUOTE]Do I need to think about travel insurance for the lady I'm inviting from Phils to join me in Hong Kong? Maybe I'm over engineering this.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1334944]For the edification of yourself and all other harmless nutters on ISG, did you know that they have finally found the fabled trouser snake, alive and well and living in South America? They have yet to measure it![/QUOTE]When Lloyd the traveler first reported that "Korean men have tragically small members," I was tempted to wonder how he knew this, unless Jjimgilbang's is a gay bath house.

G has posted the penis statistics before, so he seems to have a treasure trove of important statistics. For all we know, he is the "scientist" doing these studies.

But I don't know what to say to you. What is it that you have this collection of photos of penis snakes, corpulent naked women, and other disgusting images? You have too much time on your hands. Don't you hear the photo gallery calling for another brand of photography? Okay, yeah, I have too much time on my hands too, but at least their both on the keyboard.

[QUOTE=Skip Kost; 1335161]When Lloyd the traveler first reported that "Korean men have tragically small members," I was tempted to wonder how he knew this, unless Jjimgilbang's is a gay bath house.

G has posted the penis statistics before, so he seems to have a treasure trove of important statistics. For all we know, he is the "scientist" doing these studies.

But I don't know what to say to you. What is it that you have this collection of photos of penis snakes, corpulent naked women, and other disgusting images? You have too much time on your hands. Don't you hear the photo gallery calling for another brand of photography? Okay, yeah, I have too much time on my hands too, but at least their both on the keyboard.[/QUOTE]I found the following world map about the average penis length.

[url]http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/pictures/average-penis-size-world-map-chinese-netizen-reactions.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1335161]But I don't know what to say to you. What is it that you have this collection of photos of penis snakes, corpulent naked women, and other disgusting images? You have too much time on your hands. Don't you hear the photo gallery calling for another brand of photography? Okay, yeah, I have too much time on my hands too, but at least their both on the keyboard.[/QUOTE]LOL. Blame a perverse delight in the weird and grotesque allied to the efficacy of the Google search engine.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1334950]Do I need to think about travel insurance for the lady I'm inviting from Phils to join me in Hong Kong? Maybe I'm over engineering this.[/QUOTE]Unless you plan on getting her injured. Or hoping her to get sick. I guess not.

I don't know the medical costs in HK. But, at a minor amount, Travel Insurance does go a long way, like in the case of a girl I invited to Singapore, who's Wisdom tooth decided to act up and it had become festered. Seems she had been keeping quite. And it cost me just over 400 S$ to fix it. Before asking her to suck me.

And another, a friend invited a girl, and she decided it was great to get drunk and roll down a flight of stairs. Just over 300 $ to fix.

I don't know how far Travel insurance covers the above, but. Be safe. You never know what the girl is NOT telling you. (like appendicitis on the way. For example.)

[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1335247]Unless you plan on getting her injured. Or hoping her to get sick. I guess not.

I don't know the medical costs in HK. But, at a minor amount, Travel Insurance does go a long way, like in the case of a girl I invited to Singapore, who's Wisdom tooth decided to act up and it had become festered. Seems she had been keeping quite. And it cost me just over 400 S$ to fix it. Before asking her to suck me.

And another, a friend invited a girl, and she decided it was great to get drunk and roll down a flight of stairs. Just over 300 $ to fix.

I don't know how far Travel insurance covers the above, but. Be safe. You never know what the girl is NOT telling you. (like appendicitis on the way. For example.) [/QUOTE]I guess you missed BD's earlier posts E Tech.

I think he is insuring against the girl getting bumped off the flight in Manila since he has received a lot of advice suggesting that it is unlikely that she will be allowed to get on the plane alone departing Manila

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1335299]I guess you missed BD's earlier posts E Tech.

I think he is insuring against the girl getting bumped off the flight in Manila since he has received a lot of advice suggesting that it is unlikely that she will be allowed to get on the plane alone departing Manila[/QUOTE]Ah. Forgot that.

There is no insurance against 'boarding denied' or 'departure denied' or. 'entry denied'

The only insurance is you go there and 'hand carry' her. LOL

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1335299]I guess you missed BD's earlier posts E Tech.

I think he is insuring against the girl getting bumped off the flight in Manila since he has received a lot of advice suggesting that it is unlikely that she will be allowed to get on the plane alone departing Manila[/QUOTE]You are correct RK but am not sure if you can that type as insurance for late flights etc, for flights that are cancelled is available but insurance because Philippine iimgration just refuse her on some spurious reasons. Think not

The manufacturers of condoms are very interested in penis size by target market. This is a huge industry, with large amounts of money at stake.

No point in stocking condom sizes that are too large, or too small, for the local market. They will not sell. So they carry out surveys, and they measure, and they tabulate and average, both length and girth. I would have to dig back into my files to haul out the companies which have published the results.

As an example, if we could measure the height, weight, and waist size of all of the members of ISG, we could do some statistical analysis. First, aveerage height, is the total of all heights, divided by the number of men in the sample. Same for average weight and average waist.

Next, we break the sample into bands of height, for example 5'0" to 5'2"; 5'2" to 5'4"; 5'4" to 5'6"; etc, to 6'8" to 6'10". Then count the number of men that fall into each range. And them plot these into a histogram. It will make a kind of bell shaped curve. Most measurements clustered about the average, and very few at the extremes. Do the same for weight and waist size. Then calculate a number called the standard deviation, which indicates how closely the measurements are clustered around the average.

Then divide the sample into men from the various countries represented in ISG. And repeat the exercise. This will then give you averages by race. Then divide the members by nationality, and repeat. Now, given that we have gotten all of the members together, and we can physically see the entire sample. It is now possible, given that we have averages and standard deviations, to reconstruct the entire sample with just a few numbers. But keep in mind that some are short, or very short. Maybe dwarfs, and some are very tall.

By the time you have done this, you will have a pretty good understanding of the comparative physical measurements of people around the world. Or at least those belonging to ISG. But this is not a truly representative sample, because it is biassed, due to affluence, sexuality, libido, and others.

Now, assume that the survey of ISG members includes penis length and girth while slack, and length and girth when erect. And repeat the analyses. This will give you some data to use. But there are now other biases, because it is unlikely that there will be members with very short, or very thin penises, purely because of the nature of the forum. But the numbers for average and standard deviation for each sample enable us to fairly closely reconstruct the entire sample.

So the condom companies do the same. There are also some studies conducted by sociological type organisations and research agencies. One of those mentiones was the Kinsey foundation.

So when the published number says that average penis length for country X is 5. 5", we know that this will include a range from almost zero, to whatever the maximum is, say 10". And this will be the same in any country, and every country.

Also, keep in mind that nutrition plays a big part in size, and as poorer countries eat better, they grow taller, and bigger. So all of these averages will change over time. So the condom manufacturers need to keep track of this too.

Have I driven you to tears / boredom?

G

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1334944]You are the certified (or maybe should be. LOL) ISG king of the barmy stats. Would just love to see the learned published statistical survey from which you extracted this gem. Please post a link. I can just imagine the summarized justification offered by the lead scientist to obtain funding for his research project.

'Myself and my team of dedicated statisticians intend to travel to the four corners of the world in order to carry out a comparative study of erect penile members respective of colour, creed and social group. It is an important piece of work which is long overdue. It wil also be a lot of fun, particularly for the female and gay members of the team. We also intend to carry out a similar study of the length and depth of female vagina's, which will be carried out simultaneously by the hetero members of the team'.

For the edification of yourself and all other harmless nutters on ISG, did you know that they have finally found the fabled trouser snake, alive and well and living in South America? They have yet to measure it!

[url]http://www.inquisitr.com/292028/penis-snake-discovered-in-brazil/[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1335247]Unless you plan on getting her injured. Or hoping her to get sick. I guess not.

I don't know the medical costs in HK. But, at a minor amount, Travel Insurance does go a long way, like in the case of a girl I invited to Singapore, who's Wisdom tooth decided to act up and it had become festered. Seems she had been keeping quite. And it cost me just over 400 S$ to fix it. Before asking her to suck me.

And another, a friend invited a girl, and she decided it was great to get drunk and roll down a flight of stairs. Just over 300 $ to fix.

I don't know how far Travel insurance covers the above, but. Be safe. You never know what the girl is NOT telling you. (like appendicitis on the way. For example.) [/QUOTE]Cool, thanks for this. I found a website where they appear to sell travel insurance for Filipina for about USD20 for 4 days. For that amount I might just do it and avoid the worries of her getting run over etc in Hong Kong. For the price of the airfare, it is almost just as cheap to put her on the next flight back to Pi.

Red Kilt has done an excellent job of following my ramblings. As an update I decided to swing by Manila and pick her up. I can get in and out for not too much $$ and this will make sure she get through on both counts hopefully.

My concern now is trying not to seem like an ATM. I'm thinking of giving her a daily stipend to cover her foods and travels, plus a nice tip at the end to go home. To the tip or from the tip I'll deduct any additional expenses.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger;1335371]You are correct RK but am not sure if you can that type as insurance for late flights etc, for flights that are cancelled is available but insurance because Philippine iimgration just refuse her on some spurious reasons. Think not[/QUOTE]Insurance in general would cover in the event of serious illness before the flight, accidents, medical / dental emergencies, flight delays, lost baggage. Etc.

Immigration and Customs issues will not be covered unfortunately. Nice try tho by the person that started it. LOL

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1334950]Do I need to think about travel insurance for the lady I'm inviting from Phils to join me in Hong Kong? Maybe I'm over engineering this.[/QUOTE]From my personal experience from Manila airport, when a girl was delayed for so long as to miss her a departure, or rejected by the passport control they obtained a stamp from the officer concerned, on there boarding pass, which either allowed for a refund or a re-issue of ticket so I was informed by my partner.

[QUOTE=Col Law;1335786]From my personal experience from Manila airport, when a girl was delayed for so long as to miss her a departure, or rejected by the passport control they obtained a stamp from the officer concerned, on there boarding pass, which either allowed for a refund or a re-issue of ticket so I was informed by my partner.[/QUOTE]Errr. Only if your ticket allows date change or endorsement, you can do that. Most LCC fares don't allow that.

Doesn't work that way. I am sorry to say that. Unless your partner has been flying full fare.

[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1335894]Errr. Only if your ticket allows date change or endorsement, you can do that. Most LCC fares don't allow that.

Doesn't work that way. I am sorry to say that. Unless your partner has been flying full fare.[/QUOTE]Refund of the airport tax?

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1336005]Refund of the airport tax?[/QUOTE]Refund of airport tax and relevant fees should be possible but to do so LCC have a procedure that will cost you money. Maybe same as the refund! Consider that money lost

[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1335894]Errr. Only if your ticket allows date change or endorsement, you can do that. Most LCC fares don't allow that.

Doesn't work that way. I am sorry to say that. Unless your partner has been flying full fare.[/QUOTE]Based on the experience of a few girls I know that have been off loaded when flying LCC there is no refund of the outbound (as she had checked in according to the LCC staff). As for other portion (ie the return leg of the ticket) , that is lost to a degree (maybe 50% or more depending on who the carrier is) as LCC don't allow change of date unless there is a penalty as ET says

Hi guys.

I have been traveling / mongering around the Caribbean and South America for many years. I have recently moved to the West Coast and want to make a foray into SE Asia again after many years.

So here's the story: I need to get 3 implants with crowns. The dentists here in the US are out of their minds and want $30, 000. I have done some research and I have read that Thailand medicine is excellent and 1/3 the price (if not less). I actually have contacts there and it would be easy to do. However, I think I'd rather go to PI if I can make this into (sort of) a vacation also. I have contacts there too. Plus, tickets from LA to MNL in March are hovering at $850 R/T. Not bad....

Does anyone have experience getting major dental work done there? Are their skills and sanitary conditions up to par? I'd be interested in what you have to say.

Thanks

[QUOTE=La Isla; 1336993]Hi guys.

I have recently moved to the West Coast and want to make a foray into SE Asia again after many years.

So here's the story: I need to get 3 implants with crowns. The dentists here in the US are out of their minds and want $30, 000. I have done some research and I have read that Thailand medicine is excellent and 1/3 the price (if not less). I actually have contacts there and it would be easy to do. However, I think I'd rather go to PI if I can make this into (sort of) a vacation also. I have contacts there too.

Does anyone have experience getting major dental work done there? Are their skills and sanitary conditions up to par? I'd be interested in what you have to say.[/QUOTE]Not in the Phils but I do in China. Excellent work if you go to the higher end clinics, and very inexpensive. The thing to watch out for is that the post and crown hardware are of a common type for the US. Your dentist in the US can advise. You don't want to be stuck with something that cannot be adjusted / fixed down the road in the US. This was an issue in PRC, IDK about Phils. Worth a check though.

[QUOTE=La Isla;1336993]Does anyone have experience getting major dental work done there? Are their skills and sanitary conditions up to par? I'd be interested in what you have to say.[/QUOTE]I've never had implants done, but I have had several crowns put in. The work was excellent, and probably cost about 10-15% of what I would have paid in the states. All of my work has been done in Davao. It's somewhat strange here that the standard of medical care is quite low, and I wouldn't trust a local doctor with anything more serious than a cold, but the standard of dentistry seems to be quite high. If you need some names in Davao I'd be happy to help.

GE

[QUOTE=La Isla; 1336993]So here's the story: I need to get 3 implants with crowns. The dentists here in the US are out of their minds and want $30, 000. I have done some research and I have read that Thailand medicine is excellent and 1/3 the price (if not less). I actually have contacts there and it would be easy to do. However, I think I'd rather go to PI if I can make this into (sort of) a vacation also. I have contacts there too. Plus, tickets from LA to MNL in March are hovering at $850 R / T. Not bad.

Does anyone have experience getting major dental work done there? Are their skills and sanitary conditions up to par? I'd be interested in what you have to say.[/QUOTE]Dentistry in Philippines is as good as it gets anywhere, and for 1/4 of the price (in Australia anyway).

All of my family come here to get all manner of work completed.

GE has agreed with his experience being Davao.

One place in Manila that I can recommend is the Clinica Manila Dental Service inside Clinica Manila on the 2nd floor of SM Megamall Building A in Ortigas Center.

Go there and get an assessment and a price quote.

Most of the dentistas are younger women, and they have a much softer "touch" than the male dentists that I remember.

I just walk in every 6 months for a clean and de-scale, and always a place for me. Rarely do I need to wait.

[QUOTE=La Isla; 1336993]So here's the story: I need to get 3 implants with crowns.

Thanks[/QUOTE]I would suggest you check out this place:

[url]http://smilemakeoverdental.net/[/url]

In addition, if you are on a budget you can stay at the Pacific Breeze Hotel.

[QUOTE=La Isla; 1336993]Hi guys.

I have been traveling / mongering around the Caribbean and South America for many years. I have recently moved to the West Coast and want to make a foray into SE Asia again after many years.

So here's the story: I need to get 3 implants with crowns. The dentists here in the US are out of their minds and want $30, 000. I have done some research and I have read that Thailand medicine is excellent and 1/3 the price (if not less). I actually have contacts there and it would be easy to do. However, I think I'd rather go to PI if I can make this into (sort of) a vacation also. I have contacts there too. Plus, tickets from LA to MNL in March are hovering at $850 R / T. Not bad.

Does anyone have experience getting major dental work done there? Are their skills and sanitary conditions up to par? I'd be interested in what you have to say.

Thanks[/QUOTE]To LA Isla.

I got a crown done in manila about 8 yr ago with root channel cost only 90 USD they didn't do a good job left a large crack between tooth and I need to have it redone in Hong kong I have dental work done at hostipal in Bangkok and Hong kong they do a much better job it only cost about 50 % more and I have a crown done last yr in Bangkok for 150 USD no problem they do a good job.

Fast Eddie 48

In my opinion, the best place to get dental work done is at the Chiang Mai dental hospital. In Chiang Mai, Thailand.

Everything is done on site, so crowns are made overnight and are ready next day.

Price is very low, and the standard of work is excellent.

Phone them and ask for a price.

However, keep in mind that implants require long periods between each phase, so that gums can heal etc. So wherever you get implants done, you will need to revisit over a period of time.

G

[QUOTE=La Isla; 1336993]Hi guys.

I have been traveling / mongering around the Caribbean and South America for many years. I have recently moved to the West Coast and want to make a foray into SE Asia again after many years.

So here's the story: I need to get 3 implants with crowns. The dentists here in the US are out of their minds and want $30, 000. I have done some research and I have read that Thailand medicine is excellent and 1/3 the price (if not less). I actually have contacts there and it would be easy to do. However, I think I'd rather go to PI if I can make this into (sort of) a vacation also. I have contacts there too. Plus, tickets from LA to MNL in March are hovering at $850 R / T. Not bad.

Does anyone have experience getting major dental work done there? Are their skills and sanitary conditions up to par? I'd be interested in what you have to say.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

I used this place for a crown when they were at the old location. They did a great job and the Doc gave me a ride home in her car. THe prices have gone up. SC doesn't tell us if he has actually used the Smile place. Thanks for the URL, I'm sure some members will find this useful. I found them thru H Horse.

[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver; 1337082]I would suggest you check out this place:

[url]http://smilemakeoverdental.net/[/url]

In addition, if you are on a budget you can stay at the Pacific Breeze Hotel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver;1337082]if you are on a budget you can stay at the Pacific Breeze Hotel.[/QUOTE]At USD 50+ per night PB is not really considered "budget". There are many good budget ho-tels in AC with all basic amenities such as aircon, cable and hot shower right around the PHP 1000 mark. PB is very good value though, nice pool and good location just next to Santos.

Funny thing as I just had a root canal. Talked to the dentist about dentistry in Asia. He had a daughter who did MD internship for 3 months in Thailand. According to him the Dr's. are fine. The problem is the other part. Not as clean and sanitary as you get in USA. Equipment is not as up to date as it is expensive. Also for dentistry, as I have had work done in AC, the doctors are fine. Again though, the drill was the old fashion belt drive. If you need crowns I would look at the equipment they are using. I am sure they can do it, but don't know if I want that old grinder in there spinning around. Your decision. Both times they were women dentists with one having a male dentist guy also . Appointments were very easy and almost immediate service. There is a dentist on Fields near Kokomos and one in the SM mall near Hypermart.

Best of luck on what ever you decide.

Thanks for the suggestions. Here's a website with a pretty good list of clinics in the PI. They have lots of reviews by past patients for each office also. [url]http://www.whatclinic.com/dentists/philippines/[/url]

From what I'm reading, Thailand is considered the best place to go overall but the PI is fine also. I remember when I was a kid my mother would fly back to Europe to have any major work done. She could get the work done, plus cover her expenses for less than half of what it would cost to have it done here in the US.

Let's face it. Just because its expensive doesn't mean its good. Remember the old adage,"What do you call the guy who graduates last in his medical / dental school. The one who barely skates through?" Answer: Doctor

[QUOTE=La Isla; 1336993]Hi guys.

I have been traveling / mongering around the Caribbean and South America for many years. I have recently moved to the West Coast and want to make a foray into SE Asia again after many years.

So here's the story: I need to get 3 implants with crowns. The dentists here in the US are out of their minds and want $30, 000. I have done some research and I have read that Thailand medicine is excellent and 1/3 the price (if not less). I actually have contacts there and it would be easy to do. However, I think I'd rather go to PI if I can make this into (sort of) a vacation also. I have contacts there too. Plus, tickets from LA to MNL in March are hovering at $850 R / T. Not bad.

Does anyone have experience getting major dental work done there? Are their skills and sanitary conditions up to par? I'd be interested in what you have to say.

Thanks[/QUOTE]About a year ago, I had extensive dental work done in Davao City by Dr. Ma. Veronica Kimpo-Falcon, at "Tooth Friendly Dental Clinic." Their website is: [url]http://www.davaodentist.com[/url]

Although I didn't have any implants done, I was extremely pleased with the work and professionality at that clinic. Dr. Kimpo-Falcon spend several hours with me doing crowns, root canals, and a bunch of fillings. She told me that her husband / partner specializes in implants. The cost was about 10% what it would have been in the US.

RG

[QUOTE=Radical Guy; 1337323]About a year ago, I had extensive dental work done in Davao City by Dr. Ma. Veronica Kimpo-Falcon, at "Tooth Friendly Dental Clinic." Their website is:

[url]http://www.davaodentist.com[/url]

Although I didn't have any implants done, I was extremely pleased with the work and professionality at that clinic. Dr. Kimpo-Falcon spend several hours with me doing crowns, root canals, and a bunch of fillings. She told me that her husband / partner specializes in implants. The cost was about 10% what it would have been in the US.

RG[/QUOTE]This is the same dentist that I use, and I can confirm everything that RG has said in his post. The service is professional, adept and altogether satisfactory.

GE

I had an implant done in Makati. The cost difference from Makati and my US dentist paid for most of my vacation. The crowns are about 1/4 the price of my local dentist (even with insurance) PM me if anyone wants the web site.

the following might be apropos of fuck all but it gave me the best belly laugh i've had in a long time and i thought it worth sharing. a lot of guys are going for the clean, hairless, porn star look down below but take care that you use the right stuff. this genuine amazon reviewer bought veet for men hair removal gel creme but failed to note that it is unsuitable for use in the genital area with hilarious (but not for him) consequences.

[url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/b000kknqbk[/url]

read some of the other reviews which are just as funny.

[quote=a chappell (denmark) ]

after having been told my danglies looked like an elderly rastafarian i decided to take the plunge and buy some of this as previous shaving attempts had only been mildly successful and i nearly put my back out trying to reach the more difficult bits. being a bit of a romantic i thought i would do the deed on the missus's birthday as a bit of a treat.

i ordered it well in advance and working in the north sea i considered myself a bit above some of the characters writing the previous reviews and wrote them off as soft office types. oh my fellow sufferers how wrong i was. i waited until the other half was tucked up in bed and after giving some vague hints about a special surprise i went down to the bathroom. initially all went well and i applied the gel and stood waiting for something to happen. i didn't have long to wait.

at first there was a gentle warmth which in a matter of seconds was replaced by an intense burning and a feeling i can only describe as like being given a barbed wire wedgie by two people intent on hitting the ceiling with my head. religion hadn't featured much in my life until that night but i suddenly became willing to convert to any religion to stop the violent burning around the turd tunnel and what seemed like the destruction of the meat and two veg. struggling to not bite through my bottom lip i tried to wash the gel of in the sink and only succeeded in blocking the plughole with a mat of hair. through the haze of tears i struggled out of the bathroom across the hall into the kitchen by this time walking was not really possible and i crawled the final yard to the fridge in the hope of some form of cold relief. i yanked the freezer drawer out and found a tub of ice cream, tore the lid of and positioned it under me. the relief was fantastic but only temporary as it melted fairly quickly and the fiery stabbing soon returned.

due to the shape of the ice cream tub i hadn't managed to give the starfish any treatment and i groped around in the drawer for something else as i was sure my vision was going to fail fairly soon. i grabbed a bag of what i later found out was frozen sprouts and tore it open trying to be quiet as i did so. i took a handful of them and tried in vain to clench some between the cheeks of my arse. this was not doing the trick as some of the gel had found it's way up the chutney channel and it felt like the space shuttle was running it's engines behind me.

this was probably and hopefully the only time in my life i was going to wish there was a gay snowman in the kitchen which should give you some idea of the depths i was willing to sink to in order to ease the pain. the only solution my pain crazed mind could come up with was to gently ease one of the sprouts where no veg had gone before.

unfortunately, alerted by the strange grunts coming from the kitchen the other half chose that moment to come and investigate and was greeted by the sight of me, arse in the air, strawberry ice cream dripping from my bell end pushing a sprout up my arse while muttering." ooooh that feels good ". understandably this was a shock to her and she let out a scream and as i hadn't heard her come in it caused an involuntary spasm of shock in myself which resulted in the sprout being ejected at quite some speed in her direction. i can understand that having a sprout farted against your leg at 11 at night in the kitchen probably wasn't the special surprise she was expecting and having to explain to the kids the next day what the strange hollow in the ice cream was didn't improve my status. so to sum it up veet removes hair, dignity and self respect.[/quote]

Holy crap. I nearly pissed my pants. That is FUNNY.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1337480]The following might be apropos of fuck all but it gave me the best belly laugh I've had in a long time and I thought it worth sharing. A lot of guys are going for the clean, hairless, porn star look down below but take care that you use the right stuff. This genuine Amazon reviewer bought Veet for Men Hair Removal Gel Creme but failed to note that it is unsuitable for use in the genital area with hilarious (but not for him) consequences.

[url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B000KKNQBK[/url]

Read some of the other reviews which are just as funny.[/QUOTE]

I will be flying out to Asia soon and will first go to BKK. A couple of years ago Cebu Pacific was not letting people board their BKK-Clark flight without some evidence of a return or onward ticket. Can anyone who has flown into Phils from BKK recently confirm or deny whether they will let you on board with a one way ticket? I'd very much prefer to not to get a retrurn as I don't know how long I will stay in Phils.

[QUOTE=GregLondon;1337663]I will be flying out to Asia soon and will first go to BKK. A couple of years ago Cebu Pacific was not letting people board their BKK-Clark flight without some evidence of a return or onward ticket. Can anyone who has flown into Phils from BKK recently confirm or deny whether they will let you on board with a one way ticket? I'd very much prefer to not to get a retrurn as I don't know how long I will stay in Phils.[/QUOTE]GL.

I was in BKK recently and the Cebu Pacific staff (well all airline staff I was told by the CPac lady) wanted to see a return ticket not one way. The Philippine government is cracking down so as to encourage tourism LOL (am now asked by Emirates for the same!)

Welcome to PI (again)

[QUOTE=GregLondon;1337663]I will be flying out to Asia soon and will first go to BKK. A couple of years ago Cebu Pacific was not letting people board their BKK-Clark flight without some evidence of a return or onward ticket. Can anyone who has flown into Phils from BKK recently confirm or deny whether they will let you on board with a one way ticket? I'd very much prefer to not to get a retrurn as I don't know how long I will stay in Phils.[/QUOTE]Just my 2 cents, unless the person looks like a Vagrant, I've never been asked to show proof of an outbound transportation ticket / paperwork. Usually the destination immigration official ask how long is your stay and state the nature of the visit, then stamp stamp, have a good visit.

Unless it has changed the outbound transportation carrier is responsible for your paperwork to enter a country e. G. Visa, passport, and proof of transportation out of the country.

Even if the airlines agents missed the required documents, the destination immigration official does have the final authority.

Technically they can deport you without proof of outbound paperwork and not give you the option of purchasing an outbound ticket, ship you back on the next available flight with the same carrier from your previous destination. Statistically it's very doubtful but can happen if the immigration official does not like your persona.

Guess you have to balance the risks, but if it happens the whole trip can be wasted time and currency. I hate to see the airfare the carrier would charge on the deported flight back.

GLP

[QUOTE=GuyLuvsParty; 1337755]Just my 2 cents, unless the person looks like a Vagrant, I've never been asked to show proof of an outbound transportation ticket / paperwork. Usually the destination immigration official ask how long is your stay and state the nature of the visit, then stamp stamp, have a good visit.

Unless it has changed the outbound transportation carrier is responsible for your paperwork to enter a country e. G. Visa, passport, and proof of transportation out of the country.

Even if the airlines agents missed the required documents, the destination immigration official does have the final authority.

Technically they can deport you without proof of outbound paperwork and not give you the option of purchasing an outbound ticket, ship you back on the next available flight with the same carrier from your previous destination. Statistically it's very doubtful but can happen if the immigration official does not like your persona.

Guess you have to balance the risks, but if it happens the whole trip can be wasted time and currency. I hate to see the airfare the carrier would charge on the deported flight back.

GLP[/QUOTE]Thanks WR. Do you mean that Emirates from Dubai are also asking for a return ticket? LAst year I went Cathay London. HK. Cebu and Cathay in London didn't ask for a return. I have flown BKK. Clark twice some years ago and Cebu Pacific in both cases asked for a return and insisted on some travellers buy a return at the airport. It's a real PITA. As GLP says Its rarely a problem in Phils itself (I once had alot of problems at Laoag airport but at the three main int airports they never seem to ask. Sadly that's not a huge help if they won't let you on the plane in BKK.

When I flew Cebu Pacific from Bangkok to Manila in July, I was aware of the airlines requirement for an outbound ticket. So I did what I always do. I made my own! Using an old Air Asia pdf ticket and 5 minutes work with Acrobat Pro and voila, new outward ticket. Previously this had worked a treat with the e-ticket receiving no more than a cursory glance to check dates etc before being handed back to me. But this time was different. She seemed to be checking something on her computer and at one point referred to her supervisor. I was seriously beginning to sweat, thinking that she had access to Air Asia's database and was able to ascertain that the ticket was fraudulent.

After what can have been no more than a minute but seemed like an hour, she handed the ticket back to me and wished me a pleasant flight. Whooo! Relief. I dashed off to change my underwear.

In future I might save myself the hassle by buying a cheap outbound ticket. But before that I'd be interested to know whether there is an all airline database where one airline can check reservation details of another airline. If so, they are getting too clever, by half.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1337829]In future I might save myself the hassle by buying a cheap outbound ticket. But before that I'd be interested to know whether there is an all airline database where one airline can check reservation details of another airline. If so, they are getting too clever, by half.[/QUOTE]Because of privacy issues the cannot access another airline reservation system. However it does not aply if the airlines ae aligned like one world etc.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1337857]Because of privacy issues the cannot access another airline reservation system. However it does not aply if the airlines ae aligned like one world etc.[/QUOTE]Gets your facts right before you post, all international airlines that fly to PI have access to the GDS [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_reservations_system[/url] (global distribution systems)

[QUOTE=Frenzy3; 1337866]Gets your facts right before you post, all international airlines that fly to PI have access to the GDS.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_reservations_system[/url]

(global distribution systems) [/QUOTE]Wrong. Once a reservation is made in a GDS, the reservation can only be retrieved by the airline and the agent who made the reservation, if it is a legacy carrier.

And for legacy carriers, once the airline makes any amendments, the PNR is locked by the airline, the GDS cannot see the changes anymore.

And for LCCs, while they list on the GDS, they use their host, and not a given that all PNRs are visible across the board, and remember that there are many GDS out there, so any reservation on 1A will not always be visible in 1S and so on.

Add to it, those LCCs listing their inventory on GDS do so only for listing and avail, nothing more. All booking details are updated on their own host.

I know, I work for a GDS.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1337857]Because of privacy issues the cannot access another airline reservation system. However it does not aply if the airlines ae aligned like one world etc.[/QUOTE]Not correct Sammon.

Last time I flew to Australia on PAL they also knew that I was connecting to Virgin for all my domestic travel.

I don't think it is limited only to those in a strategic group alignment.

Systems like Amadeus are used by multiple airlines as well as travel agencies. They can follow you everywhere.

I think one reason why Phils is anxious about VISITORS showing that they have onward flights is because of the huge number of UNDOCUMENTED aliens living in the Philippines.

I have a friend in the NBI who is assigned to work with Immigration to try to track down these aliens without visas.

In one crackdown raid recently, they found 58 persons from South Asia living within a 3 km radius in a northern Luzon town who had arrived as tourists and had stayed. One of them had been here undocumented for 12 years. They were all off-loaded back to their home country.

The assumption is that having a return ticket means that you will use it to depart, but that is not always the case of course. Personally I don't think it is worth the risk. I would rather have a return ticket that can be changed if my departure dates need to be varied. Not worth the risk to have some negative notation put on your database entry that can be accessed by immigration anywhere in the world.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1337915]Not correct Sammon.

Last time I flew to Australia on PAL they also knew that I was connecting to Virgin for all my domestic travel.[/QUOTE]If you interline, it shows up. Not otherwise.

[QUOTE]Systems like Amadeus are used by multiple airlines as well as travel agencies. They can follow you everywhere.[/QUOTE]No. Not when it involves multiple HOSTS.

[QUOTE]The assumption is that having a return ticket means that you will use it to depart, but that is not always the case of course. Personally I don't think it is worth the risk. I would rather have a return ticket that can be changed if my departure dates need to be varied. Not worth the risk to have some negative notation put on your database entry that can be accessed by immigration anywhere in the world.[/QUOTE]As I write this, last week, to cover the gaps, a friend sent an itinerary for a visit visa to Philippines- accepted and visa issue.

An ITIN is NOT A TICKET.

Now, if the Philippines immigration wants to ensure people are not messing their reservation, there are other ways, like Singapore immigration does. And claiming to be able to access all GDS is NOT one of them.

Ah, well, those caught, as per your friend in NBI, firstly would have been paying off the right people. For a start. So as long as such stuff exist, no can do.

That's my 2 cents.

Only one time I had this problem was I had booked a ticket to manila on cathay pacific because they had a sale. I saved almost $400 by doing this instead of flying to Hk. I had business in China and usually fly to Hk and into China. Ofcourse I always make a trip to Phi.

I stayed few days in manila with my gf and booked a cheap ticket on cebu pacific. On my return trip to Manila cebu pacific wanted proof of my ticket out of Phi. I told them I have booked on cathay pacific. They told me they have no means to check because they have no relations with cathay. Ultimately I had to go cathay pacific counter and the counter girl printed out my ticket which I showed to cebu pacific and was allowed to fly.

My info is based on this experience.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1337939]Only one time I had this problem was I had booked a ticket to manila on cathay pacific because they had a sale. I saved almost $400 by doing this instead of flying to Hk. I had business in China and usually fly to Hk and into China. Ofcourse I always make a trip to Phi.

I stayed few days in manila with my gf and booked a cheap ticket on cebu pacific. On my return trip to Manila cebu pacific wanted proof of my ticket out of Phi. I told them I have booked on cathay pacific. They told me they have no means to check because they have no relations with cathay. Ultimately I had to go cathay pacific counter and the counter girl printed out my ticket which I showed to cebu pacific and was allowed to fly.

My info is based on this experience.[/QUOTE]They could look it up, but "by law" you are meant to show proof so she sent you to prove it to her, she could have looked it up to verify it was valid once you produced it, just looking at the link I posted cebu are on a different system Navitaire, Cathay Pacific are on Amadeus, but I have see the airlines run both due to laws as they have to pay if you are not properly documented.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1337829]When I flew Cebu Pacific from Bangkok to Manila in July, I was aware of the airlines requirement for an outbound ticket. So I did what I always do. I made my own! Using an old Air Asia pdf ticket and 5 minutes work with Acrobat Pro and voila, new outward ticket. Previously this had worked a treat with the e-ticket receiving no more than a cursory glance to check dates etc before being handed back to me. But this time was different. She seemed to be checking something on her computer and at one point referred to her supervisor. I was seriously beginning to sweat, thinking that she had access to Air Asia's database and was able to ascertain that the ticket was fraudulent.

After what can have been no more than a minute but seemed like an hour, she handed the ticket back to me and wished me a pleasant flight. Whooo! Relief. I dashed off to change my underwear.

In future I might save myself the hassle by buying a cheap outbound ticket. But before that I'd be interested to know whether there is an all airline database where one airline can check reservation details of another airline. If so, they are getting too clever, by half.[/QUOTE]That's interesting. In the couple of times I have managed to get through I've told them a specific no Cebu Pacific flight out with an airline. I didn't go to the trouble of faking a ticket, all they seem to want is a flight number to put on their system. What I wasnt sure was whether the system has tightened up further. The issue is that for those of us flying around on budget airlines such as Cebu Pacific, if you have to book a return ticket you know you will not use it de facto doubles the price of the ticket. It is very frustrating as cebu pacific know damn well there is no real problem for westerners when one actually gets to phils but they have a strict company policy. To avoid confusion this seems to be a problem specific to flying into the Phils on a oneway ticket from Thailand, though WR has indicated that it is also no an issue on Emirates flying from Dubai.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1337915]Not correct Sammon.

Last time I flew to Australia on PAL they also knew that I was connecting to Virgin for all my domestic travel.

I don't think it is limited only to those in a strategic group alignment.

Systems like Amadeus are used by multiple airlines as well as travel agencies. They can follow you everywhere.

I think one reason why Phils is anxious about VISITORS showing that they have onward flights is because of the huge number of UNDOCUMENTED aliens living in the Philippines.

I have a friend in the NBI who is assigned to work with Immigration to try to track down these aliens without visas.

In one crackdown raid recently, they found 58 persons from South Asia living within a 3 km radius in a northern Luzon town who had arrived as tourists and had stayed. One of them had been here undocumented for 12 years. They were all off-loaded back to their home country.

The assumption is that having a return ticket means that you will use it to depart, but that is not always the case of course. Personally I don't think it is worth the risk. I would rather have a return ticket that can be changed if my departure dates need to be varied. Not worth the risk to have some negative notation put on your database entry that can be accessed by immigration anywhere in the world.[/QUOTE]I got a chuckle reading the part "I have a friend in the NBI who is assigned to work with Immigration to try to track down these aliens without visas.

In one crackdown raid recently, they found 58 persons from South Asia living within a 3 km radius in a northern Luzon town who had arrived as tourists and had stayed. One of them had been here undocumented for 12 years. They were all off-loaded back to their home country.

What country is so bad that people want to come to Phil to live? Most people are trying their best to leave it. LOL.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1337915]Not correct Sammon.

Last time I flew to Australia on PAL they also knew that I was connecting to Virgin for all my domestic travel.

I don't think it is limited only to those in a strategic group alignment.

Systems like Amadeus are used by multiple airlines as well as travel agencies. They can follow you everywhere.

I think one reason why Phils is anxious about VISITORS showing that they have onward flights is because of the huge number of UNDOCUMENTED aliens living in the Philippines.

I have a friend in the NBI who is assigned to work with Immigration to try to track down these aliens without visas.

In one crackdown raid recently, they found 58 persons from South Asia living within a 3 km radius in a northern Luzon town who had arrived as tourists and had stayed. One of them had been here undocumented for 12 years. They were all off-loaded back to their home country.

The assumption is that having a return ticket means that you will use it to depart, but that is not always the case of course. Personally I don't think it is worth the risk. I would rather have a return ticket that can be changed if my departure dates need to be varied. Not worth the risk to have some negative notation put on your database entry that can be accessed by immigration anywhere in the world.[/QUOTE]I got a chuckle reading the part "I have a friend in the NBI who is assigned to work with Immigration to try to track down these aliens without visas.

In one crackdown raid recently, they found 58 persons from South Asia living within a 3 km radius in a northern Luzon town who had arrived as tourists and had stayed. One of them had been here undocumented for 12 years. They were all off-loaded back to their home country.

What country is so bad that people want to come to Phil to live? Most people are trying their best to leave it. LOL.

[QUOTE=Nightrider1;1337976]What country is so bad that people want to come to Phil to live? Most people are trying their best to leave it. LOL.[/QUOTE]If you lived here you might get a surprise. For some of us who have been here for a long time it has way more pluses than minuses.

These aliens were escaping an even worse life back home and were living like kings until they got sprung.

[QUOTE=GregLondon;1337815]Thanks WR. Do you mean that Emirates from Dubai are also asking for a return ticket?.[/QUOTE]Yes. Really new policy and they apologised as they saw my return in the system but insisted. I did a FR on this earlier and it a shame for those who don't know. As I said welcome to the Philippines (and when are you leaving sir?).

Why do some go to LOS instead of PI. 30 day visa, no hassles to board and no self righteous NGOs closing the places we like. The latter would have real fun in Soi Cowboy etc am sure. Or maybe not LOL

Has anyone tried the Tiger airlines flight on the BKK. Clark route? And know whether they have the same return flight hassles as Cebu Pacific?

In response to earlier comments, I'm 99% sure airline check in staff don't have access to other airlines passenger lists (They may have limited access to those of

Other airlines within an international grouping such as One World, Star Alliance etc, even if they share the same reservation system.) Therefore, if you plan on "faking it" I think choose an onward flight on an airline without an office at your outward airport.

The check in staff at least Cebu Pacific are supposed to satisfy themselves that you have an onward / return flight and enter a flight number / date into their system.

Whether they accept your word that you are on a particular onward flight or require documentary proof / checks with the relevant airline is I think a matter for their discretion.

In my experience, they are satisfied as long as they have something to write in the box for onward ticket but as WR says rules seem to be tightening all the time.

[QUOTE=GregLondon;1338190]Has anyone tried the Tiger airlines flight on the BKK. Clark route? And know whether they have the same return flight hassles as Cebu Pacific?[/quote]Am in Tiger's home base country, and am not aware of any direct flight to BKK from CRK.

[quote]In response to earlier comments, I'm 99% sure airline check in staff don't have access to other airlines passenger lists (They may have limited access to those of

Other airlines within an international grouping such as One World, Star Alliance etc, even if they share the same reservation system.) Therefore, if you plan on "faking it" I think choose an onward flight on an airline without an office at your outward airport.

The check in staff at least Cebu Pacific are supposed to satisfy themselves that you have an onward / return flight and enter a flight number / date into their system.

Whether they accept your word that you are on a particular onward flight or require documentary proof / checks with the relevant airline is I think a matter for their discretion.

In my experience, they are satisfied as long as they have something to write in the box for onward ticket but as WR says rules seem to be tightening all the time.[/QUOTE]Regarding above. See my posts on ticketing systems LOL.

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And Atleast one Immigration in the region has started to scan the return ticket and are trained to identify the difference between the itinerary and actual ticket

Even then, they can't validate the ticket, unless they call the airline. So they just make sure when the person goes for a extension of visa or when they depart, they check if the ticket numbers match, and if they don't match, they either refuse the extension. Or note the passport, and when the person returns, he / she gets a denied entry.

Singapore is a bit different as a lot of people come here (read. Women) using the ASEAN visa privilege. To make $$$$$$$$$

[QUOTE=GregLondon; 1338190]Has anyone tried the Tiger airlines flight on the BKK. Clark route? And know whether they have the same return flight hassles as Cebu Pacific?

In response to earlier comments, I'm 99% sure airline check in staff don't have access to other airlines passenger lists (They may have limited access to those of

Other airlines within an international grouping such as One World, Star Alliance etc, even if they share the same reservation system.) Therefore, if you plan on "faking it" I think choose an onward flight on an airline without an office at your outward airport.

The check in staff at least Cebu Pacific are supposed to satisfy themselves that you have an onward / return flight and enter a flight number / date into their system.

Whether they accept your word that you are on a particular onward flight or require documentary proof / checks with the relevant airline is I think a matter for their discretion.

In my experience, they are satisfied as long as they have something to write in the box for onward ticket but as WR says rules seem to be tightening all the time.[/QUOTE]I have flown on both airlines from BKK to CRK and both have ask see a had copy of my onward itinerary. Cebu Pacific would not even except viewing my itinerary on my tablet, it had to be a hard copy, luckily I had a hard copy.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1337981]For some of us who have been here for a long time it has way more pluses than minuses.[/QUOTE]LOL. I've been here a long time Red and I've been racking my brain for all these pluses to measure against the minuses. It may be just me but I keep coming up with lovely women and cheap beer, or should that be cheap women and lovely beer? Oh, and English is more or less universally spoken and understood. If I were not so tied into the place regarding property, friends and family, I can think of a lot of places that I would much rather live. But there again, like you, I live in Manila, and even then only for a few months of the year. Don't think that I could put up with the dysfunctional shithole 365/12.

Maybe I have had a bad day. Although I did get laid by a beautiful and willing young Pinay!

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1338310]LOL. I've been here a long time Red and I've been racking my brain for all these pluses to measure against the minuses. It may be just me but I keep coming up with lovely women and cheap beer, or should that be cheap women and lovely beer? Oh, and English is more or less universally spoken and understood. If I were not so tied into the place regarding property, friends and family, I can think of a lot of places that I would much rather live. But there again, like you, I live in Manila, and even then only for a few months of the year. Don't think that I could put up with the dysfunctional shithole 365/12.

Maybe I have had a bad day. Although I did get laid by a beautiful and willing young Pinay![/QUOTE]Though I may yet be accused of navel gazing, I often wonder about the same things. I'm staying, at least for the time being because I've decided I can live better here than back in France or the US, but it's a close run sort of decision. Like CS, I couldn't put up with this place 365, but as long as I can get out every 2-3 months, I can maintain my tolerance level. I've had this discussion a few times with the esteemed RK who probably sees slight more upsides than I do.

GE

Recently purchased great flights at a great price. ANA website. You have to keep checking several times a day price fluctuates. I got RT for US$999. JFK to NRT. NRT to MNL. Total 21. 5 hours. Return MNL to NRT. NRT to JFK. Total 18. 5 hours. These by far are the shortest flights and best prices out there from NY.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1338322]Though I may yet be accused of navel gazing, I often wonder about the same things. I'm staying, at least for the time being because I've decided I can live better here than back in France or the US, but it's a close run sort of decision. Like CS, I couldn't put up with this place 365, but as long as I can get out every 2-3 months, I can maintain my tolerance level. I've had this discussion a few times with the esteemed RK who probably sees slight more upsides than I do.[/QUOTE]All 3 of us (CS, GE and I) choose to live here for various reasons.

I have said before that there are some high magnitude negatives balanced by many medium level positives and the pluses win, which is why I stay here (I am not that masochistic LOL)

A major positive is that I have employment here in Philippines with additional opportunities to work for short times in Cambodia, Laos and Mongolia in the past few years that give me some refreshment. Trips back to Australia also boosts my mood.

For those thinking about retirement here. I think that GE & I agree that if there was not work to keep our brains going we might well be somewhere else.

[QUOTE=Mongerer69;1338328]Recently purchased great flights at a great price. ANA website. You have to keep checking several times a day price fluctuates. I got RT for US$999. JFK to NRT. NRT to MNL. Total 21. 5 hours. Return MNL to NRT. NRT to JFK. Total 18. 5 hours. These by far are the shortest flights and best prices out there from NY.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. Were you able to fly the specific days that you wanted or did you have to be open to flying on the days of that cheap fare?

TW

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1337734]GL.

I was in BKK recently and the Cebu Pacific staff (well all airline staff I was told by the CPac lady) wanted to see a return ticket not one way. The Philippine government is cracking down so as to encourage tourism LOL (am now asked by Emirates for the same!)

Welcome to PI (again) [/QUOTE]I was ask for an onward ticket the last time I went for a visa extension. I thought perhaps the travel agent just wanted to sell tickets, but they swore immigration wanted to see a copy.

[QUOTE=Punter 127;1338474]I was ask for an onward ticket the last time I went for a visa extension. I thought perhaps the travel agent just wanted to sell tickets, but they swore immigration wanted to see a copy.[/QUOTE]As I said, if you had printed your own flight itinerary, and submitted they wouldn't have bothered less.

Like when I went to arrange a visa to Philippines, the requirement stated "FLIGHT TICKET"

I did my own booking. NOT TICKETED. Those in travel will know booking is not complete until ticketed. And the embassy girl looked for departure dates and return dates and said "ALL OK". Now if she really did have access to all the GDS, All the airlines, she would have been surprised to find that the booking doesn't exist.

You can book, print an Itin and then cancel the booking.

[QUOTE=Punter 127;1338474]I was ask for an onward ticket the last time I went for a visa extension. I thought perhaps the travel agent just wanted to sell tickets, but they swore immigration wanted to see a copy.[/QUOTE]That reinforces my comments made several times here that there is a new broom at Immigration.

New rules and new procedures.

Those of you who have been coming here for 30 years and bribing your way through and / or ignoring visa deadlines and procedures etc may well find a new playing field.

The latest advice given here by different people is the best advice.

My choice of dates.

[QUOTE=Tally Wacker; 1338374]Thanks for the info. Were you able to fly the specific days that you wanted or did you have to be open to flying on the days of that cheap fare?

TW[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1338521]As I said, if you had printed your own flight itinerary, and submitted they wouldn't have bothered less.

Like when I went to arrange a visa to Philippines, the requirement stated "FLIGHT TICKET"

I did my own booking. NOT TICKETED. Those in travel will know booking is not complete until ticketed. And the embassy girl looked for departure dates and return dates and said "ALL OK". Now if she really did have access to all the GDS, All the airlines, she would have been surprised to find that the booking doesn't exist.

You can book, print an Itin and then cancel the booking.[/QUOTE]As it turns out I had already booked a flight out and a copy of my itinerary (which I think showed status 'ticketed') was accepted.

I agree with Red Kilt that things are changing, but I'm sure you can still buy your way around just about anything here.

[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1338521]As I said, if you had printed your own flight itinerary, and submitted they wouldn't have bothered less.

Like when I went to arrange a visa to Philippines, the requirement stated "FLIGHT TICKET"

I did my own booking. NOT TICKETED. Those in travel will know booking is not complete until ticketed. And the embassy girl looked for departure dates and return dates and said "ALL OK". Now if she really did have access to all the GDS, All the airlines, she would have been surprised to find that the booking doesn't exist.

You can book, print an Itin and then cancel the booking.[/QUOTE]Well if she knew her job better she should have looked for the word "CONFIRMED" or the TICKET NUMBER.

[QUOTE=Mongerer69;1338328]Recently purchased great flights at a great price. ANA website. You have to keep checking several times a day price fluctuates. I got RT for US$999. JFK to NRT. NRT to MNL. Total 21. 5 hours. Return MNL to NRT. NRT to JFK. Total 18. 5 hours. These by far are the shortest flights and best prices out there from NY.[/QUOTE]To Mongerer69,

Cathay Pacific have a early red eye out of JFK arrive in HK in the morning and connect with a 8am flight to Manila arrive around 10. 30 am next day for just under 1000 USD.

Fast Eddie 48

For those regarding tickets etc.

At Dubai airport they did not ask me but. Arriving in Manila there is a new system with non pinoys going to different counters (it seems slightly more efficient for NAIA. But not when compared with Singapore, HK etc). Although the pinoy counters had long queues so some joined the non pinoy queues (and some were asked to go back to the right queue!)

The counter staff who were dealing with my passport (and everyone elses) are new (possible trainees as there was always a more senior persons behind them watching)

They asked many for a hard copy the return ticket. So if they don't get you one way (at departure) they will the other. The newbie immigration staff apeared to be asking more questions of each traveller, and it took longer to get through passport control (ie the time per person was longer than normal IMHO and guesstimate).

So GL et al seems you will need to show something even if not a real ticket

[QUOTE=Punter 127; 1338742]I agree with Red Kilt that things are changing, but I'm sure you can still buy your way around just about anything here.[/QUOTE]I would NEVER try to buy my way around an immigration official, no matter how sure Punter might be that you can buy your way through other areas.

A Chinese guy was deported recently because he tried to bribe an immigration official (news report)

There was another recent news article about the Commissioner setting up CCTVs on every entry / exit point to ensure all transactions were properly carried out. The crack-down has occurred because of the illegal departure of the two brothers from Palawan wanted on murder charges who were, apparently, spirited past immigration through a side door by corrupt immigration officers who were paid serious money to do it (millions of pesos). The officials have since lost their jobs.

A measly 500 or 1000 php will get you big trouble if you happen to pick the wrong official.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1339001]I would NEVER try to buy my way around an immigration official, no matter how sure Punter might be that you can buy your way through other areas.

A measly 500 or 1000 php will get you big trouble if you happen to pick the wrong official.[/QUOTE]When I first started to go to the Phils eight years ago, an expat told me that I should have 500 ready in case a customs guy wanted to check my suitcase. Well, I have never declared anything and they have never checked my bag. If they had, they would not have found anything illicit anyway, maybe just an embarrassment of toys, underwear (female) , lube, etc. But no way in hell was I ever going to try to grease my way through customs.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1339001]I would NEVER try to buy my way around an immigration official, no matter how sure Punter might be that you can buy your way through other areas.

A Chinese guy was deported recently because he tried to bribe an immigration official (news report)

There was another recent news article about the Commissioner setting up CCTVs on every entry / exit point to ensure all transactions were properly carried out. The crack-down has occurred because of the illegal departure of the two brothers from Palawan wanted on murder charges who were, apparently, spirited past immigration through a side door by corrupt immigration officers who were paid serious money to do it (millions of pesos). The officials have since lost their jobs.

A measly 500 or 1000 php will get you big trouble if you happen to pick the wrong official.[/QUOTE]Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say anything about bribing anybody. If you're ask for an onward ticket and you don't have one you will most likely be given the opportunity 'buy your way around' the problem by purchasing an onward ticket. You make it sound like they're looking for a reason to keep you out of the country, I don't think that's their goal.

BTW it happened to me in Bangkok on my first trip the Philippines, I simply had to buy an onward ticket before I could board the plane, no big deal.

[QUOTE=Punter 127;1339016]Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say anything about bribing anybody.[/QUOTE]OK fair enough call, but maybe you should be more explicit with your choice of words.

I would suggest that your comment "you can still buy your way around just about anything here" means offering grease money in a majority of interpretations, and especially in the context of the approach used by most ISG contributors.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1339027]OK fair enough call, but maybe you should be more explicit with your choice of words.

I would suggest that your comment "you can still buy your way around just about anything here" means offering grease money in a majority of interpretations, and especially in the context of the approach used by most ISG contributors.[/QUOTE]Agreed I could have been more explicit, but by the same token you could have ask for a clarification rather then jumping to conclusions.

I stand by my comment "you can still buy your way around just about anything here" It appears to me that most things in this country revolve around money, and a small amount of money fixes more problems here than anyplace I've ever been. I had a friend who was late getting his visa extension, no problem just pay a 1000p penalty and all is well. The list of examples like that goes on and on.

Do you know of anybody who was denied entry solely because they didn't have an onward ticket, without first getting an opportunity to buy a ticket?

I didn't go back and look but I seem to remember reports of people that didn't have onward tickets being required to pay for a first extension at a higher than normal price before being allowed entry, and they did not have to buy a ticket. Just pay the money.

I enjoy disagreeing with RK, but in this case I have to bite the bullet. Punter, your original post hints at bribing an immigration agent. No, no, no. Your post below suggests something very different and I respect that you took the time to make a clarification. You have to remember that newcomers here may take adivice literally. RK, bless his naughty soul, was right to call you out on this.

Buying your way out of trouble or inconvenience is NOT a good choice, IMHO. Avoid trouble in the first place.

[QUOTE=Punter 127; 1339040]Agreed I could have been more explicit, but by the same token you could have ask for a clarification rather then jumping to conclusions.

I stand by my comment "you can still buy your way around just about anything here" It appears to me that most things in this country revolve around money, and a small amount of money fixes more problems here than anyplace I've ever been. I had a friend who was late getting his visa extension, no problem just pay a 1000p penalty and all is well. The list of examples like that goes on and on.

Do you know of anybody who was denied entry solely because they didn't have an onward ticket, without first getting an opportunity to buy a ticket?

I didn't go back and look but I seem to remember reports of people that didn't have onward tickets being required to pay for a first extension at a higher than normal price before being allowed entry, and they did not have to buy a ticket. Just pay the money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=El Greco;1338812]Well if she knew her job better she should have looked for the word "CONFIRMED" or the TICKET NUMBER.[/QUOTE]Next you will tell that they should attend a course in ticketing :LOL.

They are only trained to look for departure dates.

It works. So fret not.

I know this has been asked before but could not find it using the search.

My smilies got turned off, and I can't figure out how to turn them back on.

Will appreciate any help.

Slim

Gentlemen,

I am considering buying a lot, or block of land for a gf.

Has anyone here actually bought land in the Phils, and can advise as to the process or procedure to follow?

Thanks in anticipation,

G

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1338846]For those regarding tickets etc.

At Dubai airport they did not ask me but. Arriving in Manila there is a new system with non pinoys going to different counters (it seems slightly more efficient for NAIA. But not when compared with Singapore, HK etc). Although the pinoy counters had long queues so some joined the non pinoy queues (and some were asked to go back to the right queue!)

The counter staff who were dealing with my passport (and everyone elses) are new (possible trainees as there was always a more senior persons behind them watching)

They asked many for a hard copy the return ticket. So if they don't get you one way (at departure) they will the other. The newbie immigration staff apeared to be asking more questions of each traveller, and it took longer to get through passport control (ie the time per person was longer than normal IMHO and guesstimate).

So GL et al seems you will need to show something even if not a real ticket[/QUOTE]That's a serious pain. I know it's not a huge amount to buy a onward ticket but I would rather not waste $70 completely unnecessarily. Has anyone been through Clark recently and can confirm or deny similar treatment at Clark?

I agree with the posters who caution against trying to bribe ones way out of trouble in this type of situation or any other involving immigration.

The Phils has periodic anti corruption purges when such incidents get reported and then you can find yourself in serious trouble. A guy I knew from my last trip was expelled from the country with uncertainty as to return for trying to bribe someone rather than pay a visa extension fine.

Previously I have just about got away with just claiming a flight number. I have only actually had problems on the phils side when I tried to enter phils at Laoag where they only deal with flights from China. I then had an hours iinterrogation trying to convince the official that my BKK. London flight could be rerouted. After about an hour the guy just gave up and infact gave me a lift into town. I suspect that the downside risk is that one ends up having to buy the onward ticket that one was trying to avoid buying, perhaps at inflated price if there is no web access. For those thinking of "amending" an old e ticket you will probably need a program to edit PDF's to make a good job of it. The free Acrobat of Foxit PDF readers won't work. Foxit PDF Editor works well and you can eitherbuy it or download a pirated version from Pirate bay.

[QUOTE=Gangles; 1339575]Gentlemen,

I am considering buying a lot, or block of land for a gf.

Has anyone here actually bought land in the Phils, and can advise as to the process or procedure to follow?

Thanks in anticipation,

G[/QUOTE]I have bought 2 lots, and 3 areas of rice fields.

Of these 5 transactions, around another 15 that we considered buying were discovered to have incorrect or illegal or forged titles. Quite often people sell land to someone else by a simple hand shake and they hand over the cash and the title without wishing to pay the legal fees etc to get the title properly transferred to the new owner. We found many of those instances, and one I recall had changed hands 3 times without any paperwork having taken place. My lawyer wouldn't touch them.

[B]Step 1[/B]. Get yourself a very good property lawyer who will do the required searches. Once you are sure you have [I]bona fide[/I] Titles, the rest is easy.

I thought this post from Stroker Ace was useful regarding buying property in Phil.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1012-Other-Areas&p=1253449&viewfull=1#post1253449[/url]

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1339702]I have bought 2 lots, and 3 areas of rice fields.

Of these 5 transactions, around another 15 that we considered buying were discovered to have incorrect or illegal or forged titles. Quite often people sell land to someone else by a simple hand shake and they hand over the cash and the title without wishing to pay the legal fees etc to get the title properly transferred to the new owner. We found many of those instances, and one I recall had changed hands 3 times without any paperwork having taken place. My lawyer wouldn't touch them.

[B]Step 1[/B]. Get yourself a very good property lawyer who will do the required searches. Once you are sure you have [I]bona fide[/I] Titles, the rest is easy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gangles; 1339575]Gentlemen,

I am considering buying a lot, or block of land for a gf.

Has anyone here actually bought land in the Phils, and can advise as to the process or procedure to follow?

Thanks in anticipation,

G[/QUOTE]G,

To quench my curiousity, I must ask. Do you know anything about buying land-property in the Philippines?

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88; 1339745]G,

To quench my curiousity, I must ask. Do you know anything about buying land-property in the Philippines?[/QUOTE]I didn't know much about it until I did it Stroker?

What's the big deal? G asked for advice. I gave it to him so hopefully he can set off on the same path that I took and it has proven very successful (and profitable) for me.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1339749]I didn't know much about it until I did it Stroker?

What's the big deal? G asked for advice. I gave it to him so hopefully he can set off on the same path that I took and it has proven very successful (and profitable) for me.[/QUOTE]A good expat friend has done the same as RK and he found a really good lawyer and found the same issue. Seems title is a big issue and without real proof don't touch the land at all he said.

As in any country you need legal adice whetehr you buy USA, UK, Australia etc. Makes no difference, seek the professionals and you should be happier

Whats the big deal? Bob Bowie asked for advice and I gave it to him. So Hopefully he can find it out for himself at the Howzat.

I know a few guys pay the fees for filipinas to attend college and university here.

Others are contemplating doing it.

Here is a list of the top schools (according to passing rates in licensure exams) , current to October. 2012 (published by Commission on Higher Education or CHED)

It might help your choice.

[QUOTE=Nice Guy 99;1337020]Not in the Phils but I do in China. Excellent work if you go to the higher end clinics, and very inexpensive. The thing to watch out for is that the post and crown hardware are of a common type for the US. Your dentist in the US can advise. You don't want to be stuck with something that cannot be adjusted / fixed down the road in the US. This was an issue in PRC, IDK about Phils. Worth a check though.[/QUOTE]What's IDK?

China seems to me to present certain hurdles with respect to the Phils, expensive hotels (HK for example) and English (not HK of course but elsewhere).

I am not going to tell my US dentist that I may get the work done elsewhere at a fraction of what he charges me AFTER insurance. LOL.

China or Phils what do you recommend?

Thanks

CHED fails in Geography, identifying Silliman's location as Luzon. I doubt they do Math any better.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1340099]I know a few guys pay the fees for filipinas to attend college and university here.

Others are contemplating doing it.

Here is a list of the top schools (according to passing rates in licensure exams) , current to October. 2012 (published by Commission on Higher Education or CHED)

It might help your choice.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hibukhibok;1340470]What's IDK?[/QUOTE]IDK. [B]I[/B] [B]D[/B]on't [B]K[/B]now

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1340099]I know a few guys pay the fees for filipinas to attend college and university here.

Others are contemplating doing it.

Here is a list of the top schools (according to passing rates in licensure exams) , current to October. 2012 (published by Commission on Higher Education or CHED)

It might help your choice.[/QUOTE]Your list is fake with glaring errors it seems.

Check "top 20 schools in the Philippines" with google.

As to supporting a Pinay student that's actually a great idea to enjoy the benefits of her gratitude and perhaps to deal with a "better" grade of girls (educated, fewer stupid questions, some actual conversations, improved english) , but still do some discreet checking to verify that she is actually studying, registered etc. Unless of course you trust her unconditionally, which I did once. Lesson learned.

[QUOTE=Hibukhibok; 1340470]What's IDK?

China seems to me to present certain hurdles with respect to the Phils, expensive hotels (HK for example) and English (not HK of course but elsewhere).

I am not going to tell my US dentist that I may get the work done elsewhere at a fraction of what he charges me AFTER insurance. LOL.

China or Phils what do you recommend?

Thanks[/QUOTE]I had two crowns with posts done last year in China (CP) , and it worked out fine. The crowns had to be ordered and I think they came from HK, bu not sure. I had a choice of 4 different ones, and they varied on price and quality. The dentist I used spoke okay English and did a nice job and even did a whitening treatment for free. It was not "dirt cheap" but I have NO complaints about the quality of work.

It was much better than what I had done in Argentina, but there the work was in a public clinic and it was an extraction and replace a broken crown on a molar, they weren't concerned with appearance.

I've never had anything more than a cleaning in the Phils.

Hoping you come to your senses first. But since that never happens you should hire a reputable attorney and agent to do the groundwork for you. I wrote an extensive post on buying a condo here. Which you can search for as it'll give you some idea of what the process was like. If you PM me. I can recommend a law firm. Keep in mind that legal fees are peanuts here. And nothing compared to the total loss of your investment.

[QUOTE=Gangles; 1339575]Gentlemen,

I am considering buying a lot, or block of land for a gf.

Has anyone here actually bought land in the Phils, and can advise as to the process or procedure to follow?

Thanks in anticipation,

G[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cbea20;1340471]CHED fails in Geography, identifying Silliman's location as Luzon. I doubt they do Math any better.[/QUOTE]

Of course CHED and everybody else knows that Silliman is the mainstay of Dumaguete in Western Visayas.

You obviously don't know about Silliman linking up with University of Dagupan (in Pangasinan, Luzon) to look at decentralising their programs.

Your reference to CHED and Math is just plain churlish. Are you insinuating that the order of the schools is somehow wrong?

I've lived here for several years and have recommended lots of friends and family to a local dental office. We've had root canals, crowns, cosmetic, cleaning. Children and adults. Excellent work. Family owned with 5 clinics. 2nd Floor, Cash and Carry Mall in Makati near the Cinema. Can't miss it. Recently a friend from the US came and had at least $5000. 00 USD worth of reconstructive dental work done for about p12000. 00 and a year later is still very pleased with the results.

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder; 1340492]I had two crowns with posts done last year in China (CP) , and it worked out fine. The crowns had to be ordered and I think they came from HK, bu not sure. I had a choice of 4 different ones, and they varied on price and quality. The dentist I used spoke okay English and did a nice job and even did a whitening treatment for free. It was not "dirt cheap" but I have NO complaints about the quality of work.

It was much better than what I had done in Argentina, but there the work was in a public clinic and it was an extraction and replace a broken crown on a molar, they weren't concerned with appearance.

I've never had anything more than a cleaning in the Phils.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1340099]I know a few guys pay the fees for filipinas to attend college and university here.

Others are contemplating doing it.

Here is a list of the top schools (according to passing rates in licensure exams) , current to October. 2012 (published by Commission on Higher Education or CHED)

It might help your choice.[/QUOTE]If your girl is bright and from NCR you ought to check out the University of the City of Manila (Pamantasan ng Lungsod ng Maynila). It's very well financed by the city so the tuition is practically nothing. Check wiki for details. Students from outside NCR are admitted too, but they have to be at the top of their class.

[QUOTE=Hibukhibok; 1340470]What's IDK?

China seems to me to present certain hurdles with respect to the Phils, expensive hotels (HK for example) and English (not HK of course but elsewhere).

I am not going to tell my US dentist that I may get the work done elsewhere at a fraction of what he charges me AFTER insurance. LOL.

China or Phils what do you recommend?

Thanks[/QUOTE]OMG! (that would be [B]O[/B]h [B]M[/B]y [B]G[/B]od). IDK would be [B]I[/B] [B]D[/B]on't [B]K[/B]now.

HK is hardly China. You'll find more affordable dentistry in Shenzhen or any major city in the PRC.

Not tell the US dentist? Remember. YOU are the customer the dentist is the provider.

As to your last question. China YMMV. Phils IDK

Apropos my post #6203, I must confess that I was scammed.

Read this:

[url]http://ph.news.yahoo.com/ched-no-thing-top-20-phl-schools-list-074814572.html[/url]

Sorry if I mislead anyone. It was sent to me by a trusted friend connected to CHED

RK, thanks for the advice. And to other commentators.

I understand your comments re titling, property transfer etc.

I have some understanding of the property system. It is supposed to be based on the Torrens Title system. My first degree is in surveying, so I know something about principles of ownership.

I have had a number of contracts working on the Phils Land titling system, and I managed a project to reconstruct the curriculum for surveyors (geodetic engineers) in the Phils tertiary system.

Plus I have had personal experience of the situation that RK noted, with transferr of ownership by hand shake, and no formal transfer to save on the transfer fees.

Similarly, we came across a business man who was paying rent to three "owners" who all presented apparently legal titles to the property.

I expect that the places that I am considering buying has never had formal title, and is based on customary title. I expect that this would involve sale / purchased by deed of sale. I would then go to the local court to raise totle for the lot. But it smacks of complexity.

However, I have asked the gf to find a local surveyor who should know how to carry out a title search. And also to engage a good, local lawyer to take care of the legals.

Very messy.

Thanks again,

G

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1339702]I have bought 2 lots, and 3 areas of rice fields.

Of these 5 transactions, around another 15 that we considered buying were discovered to have incorrect or illegal or forged titles. Quite often people sell land to someone else by a simple hand shake and they hand over the cash and the title without wishing to pay the legal fees etc to get the title properly transferred to the new owner. We found many of those instances, and one I recall had changed hands 3 times without any paperwork having taken place. My lawyer wouldn't touch them.

[B]Step 1[/B]. Get yourself a very good property lawyer who will do the required searches. Once you are sure you have [I]bona fide[/I] Titles, the rest is easy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Econo Tech;1340474]IDK. [B]I[/B] [B]D[/B]on't [B]K[/B]now[/QUOTE]Oops I thought that it was a new SEA mongering destination. What a disappointment!

Note that from October 28, flights will depart from terminals according to DESTINATION rather than CARRIER.

It has come about because PAL and AirPhilsExpress are now flying under one banner. Frequent Flyer points can accrue or be used on either carrier

Check out this link for the updated information.

[url]http://whatsmyterminal.com/[/url]

NOTE: it is being implemented from October 28.

Cebu Pacific flights are unchanged.

Better get in early those of you looking for a cheap holiday.

[url]http://ph.news.yahoo.com/peso-seen-hit-30-1-next-184135203.html[/url]

The International Olympic Committee has just approved The Philippines petition to add a new event for the 2016 Summer Olympics in Brazil. The new event will be called Synchronized Sleeping. As expected, the Phils will be the odds on favorite.

G and RK, will I be able to buy property in Dumaguete or Valencia without being married to a Filipino? Many thanks for any information. I'll be goung back there later next year. Had a great time in PI, Vietnam and Malaysia. And will try to post some pics soon. Regards.

[QUOTE=Gangles; 1340655]RK, thanks for the advice. And to other commentators.

I understand your comments re titling, property transfer etc.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1346326]G and RK, will I be able to buy property in Dumaguete or Valencia without being married to a Filipino?[/QUOTE]No.

You cannot buy freehold land in your name.

You can only buy a condo in your own name exclusively, and then only if 60% or more of the owners are Filipino.

[QUOTE=ShadowAxis;1340512]. I wrote an extensive post on buying a condo here. Which you can search for as it'll give you some idea of what the process was like. I can recommend a law firm. Keep in mind that legal fees are peanuts here. And nothing compared to the total loss of your investment.[/QUOTE]Some lose. Some of have gained hansomely.

I've just finished reading, for the second time, a wonderful book by Nic Kelman titled "girls". It's basically about successful men enjoying younger women.

Seems timely after hearing that 4star General / USA CIA head has resigned. Take a look at the biographer and then take a look at the wife.

[QUOTE=X Man;1347337]Seems timely after hearing that 4star General / USA CIA head has resigned. Take a look at the biographer and then take a look at the wife.[/QUOTE]And WHAT guy doesn't want young pussy, LOL. Too bad for Petreaus. Great guy. His biographer is one helluva a hottie.

FWIW, I'm convinced he resigned after refusing to give cover to the present administration by announcing he the CIA had NOT delayed any deployment of operatives in Bengazi when the US ambassador was slain. That threw the issue of military non response (to the attack) back into the military and ergo administrative realm of responsibility. Petreaus refused to fall on his sword, so they (Obama's operatives) probably brought out their own daggers to get rid of him.

[QUOTE=Pete Benetar; 1347507]And WHAT guy doesn't want young pussy, LOL. Too bad for Petreaus. Great guy. His biographer is one helluva a hottie.

FWIW, I'm convinced he resigned after refusing to give cover to the present administration by announcing he the CIA had NOT delayed any deployment of operatives in Bengazi when the US ambassador was slain. That threw the issue of military non response (to the attack) back into the military and ergo administrative realm of responsibility. Petreaus refused to fall on his sword, so they (Obama's operatives) probably brought out their own daggers to get rid of him.[/QUOTE]Having a security clearance, at any level, requires one to be prudent. Everyone is well schooled on the exploits used by adversaries, and the honey trap is the oldest one in the book. At TS / SCI level it's reviewed every 5 years. Whether a single or full scope investigation the questions are very detailed and a polygraph is conducted. Lie and one can be prosecuted. Petreaus made a human mistake, but at his level having full access to the most sensitive intel and ops, it's an unacceptable one.

That is one heck of a ridiculous conspiracy theory. If true, Petreaus could just go public. I'm really weary of the Fox news inspired Obama bashing. Could we please keep political rants off of the ISG threads. X.

[QUOTE=Pete Benetar; 1347507]And WHAT guy doesn't want young pussy, LOL. Too bad for Petreaus. Great guy. His biographer is one helluva a hottie.

FWIW, I'm convinced he resigned after refusing to give cover to the present administration by announcing he the CIA had NOT delayed any deployment of operatives in Bengazi when the US ambassador was slain. That threw the issue of military non response (to the attack) back into the military and ergo administrative realm of responsibility. Petreaus refused to fall on his sword, so they (Obama's operatives) probably brought out their own daggers to get rid of him.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=X Man; 1347337]I've just finished reading, for the second time, a wonderful book by Nic Kelman titled "girls". It's basically about successful men enjoying younger women.

Seems timely after hearing that 4star General / USA CIA head has resigned. Take a look at the biographer and then take a look at the wife.[/QUOTE]And in the Phils even not so successful men can enjoy younger women.

Henry Miller, I think, suggested that for women, power (in men, that is) is the great aprhodisiac.

[QUOTE=Skip Kost; 1347649]And in the Phils even not so successful men can enjoy younger women.

Henry Miller, I think, suggested that for women, power (in men, that is) is the great aprhodisiac.[/QUOTE]It was Henry Kissinger and in taking a look at the two women, the choice for Petraeus was a no brainer. Hmmmmm, I won't get into my conspiracy theory as to why Petraeus really stepped down. Like Bill Clinton never had an affair?

[QUOTE=Pete Benetar;1347507]FWIW, I'm convinced he resigned after refusing to give cover to the present administration by announcing he the CIA had NOT delayed any deployment of operatives in Bengazi when the US ambassador was slain. That threw the issue of military non response (to the attack) back into the military and ergo administrative realm of responsibility. Petreaus refused to fall on his sword, so they (Obama's operatives) probably brought out their own daggers to get rid of him.[/QUOTE]This line of thinking is why the Republicans got their asses handed to them in the election. No new ideas, only conspiracies and obstructionism from angry white guys. I listen to this kind of crap every day from the leader of the Republican party, Rush Limbaugh. BTW, it was the bible thumpers and their morality laws who took down Petraeus for having the audacity to enjoy a nice young piece of ass, not Obama. Hopefully new ISG member Petraeus will be posting G2 soon on the best lineups on Fields Ave now that he's been mercifully inaugurated as a fellow monger.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1346366]No.

You cannot buy freehold land in your name.

You can only buy a condo in your own name exclusively, and then only if 60% or more of the owners are Filipino.[/QUOTE]Not entirely true. A foreign born national can buy a townhouse that has a 'condo certified townhouse' declaration. The townhouse can touch the ground. All of the condo certified townhouses I have seen are entirely within the grounds of a condo tower project. Some come with pools, garages, lawns, decks ect that are located entirely within the condo certified townhouse lot, and as such belong to the owner of the townhouse, be it a local or a foreigner. A foreign born national can own the townhouse outright 100percent without the need for a filipina-Filipino to be listed as the owner. These townhouse often demand a premium price and most are sold long before construction begins.

There exists no such declaration that 60percent of any condo tower or condo complex be owned by Filipino citizens, and that includes condo certified townhouses. The 60percent rule only comes into play when a corporation is formed to buy-transfer-rent actual land. Technically the land under a condo tower is owned by the developer, not individuals.

The foreign investment act of the Philippines RA 7042 and amended by act 8179 in 1996 deals with this topic. Within the next few months the foreign ownership rules will be updated (changed). No word if the Philippine Government plans to increase or relax the regulations.

[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver;1347678]This line of thinking is why the Republicans got their asses handed to them in the election. No new ideas, only conspiracies and obstructionism from angry white guys. I listen to this kind of crap every day from the leader of the Republican party, Rush Limbaugh. BTW, it was the bible thumpers and their morality laws who took down Petraeus for having the audacity to enjoy a nice young piece of ass, not Obama. Hopefully new ISG member Petraeus will be posting G2 soon on the best lineups on Fields Ave now that he's been mercifully inaugurated as a fellow monger.[/QUOTE]Divide the working class and play upon their worst fears, while the main goal is to eliminate taxes for the wealthy and any sort of control over corporate business, a return to the 19th century. All the while they pretend to be the champions of small business (BULLSHIT). What small business needs is more money in the pockets of common people so they can walk through the door and buy more of their product.

Chris

[QUOTE=Pete Benetar;1347507]FWIW, I'm convinced he resigned after refusing to give cover to the present administration by announcing he the CIA had NOT delayed any deployment of operatives in Bengazi when the US ambassador was slain. That threw the issue of military non response (to the attack) back into the military and ergo administrative realm of responsibility. Petreaus refused to fall on his sword, so they (Obama's operatives) probably brought out their own daggers to get rid of him.[/QUOTE]I think your bias is showing. Petreaus resigned himself (did fall on his own sword) after he was informed by the FBI that they had learned of his affair. The administration did not think it was necessary and from reports it seems they did not want him to resign. Petreaus is a stand up guy and knows that he broke the military code of honor. He stated that as head of the CIA he is should be held to a higher standard and he owned up to his mistake. As is well known spies can be blackmailed to reveal classified material if they try to protect their own secrets from coming out.

A lot of good people resigned under Obama. Frankly I don't blame them. I wouldn't work for him either.

[QUOTE=JPF;1347847]I think your bias is showing. Petreaus resigned himself (did fall on his own sword) after he was informed by the FBI that they had learned of his affair. The administration did not think it was necessary and from reports it seems they did not want him to resign. Petreaus is a stand up guy and knows that he broke the military code of honor. He stated that as head of the CIA he is should be held to a higher standard and he owned up to his mistake. As is well known spies can be blackmailed to reveal classified material if they try to protect their own secrets from coming out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Slippery;1347657]It was Henry Kissinger and in taking a look at the two women, the choice for Petraeus was a no brainer.[/QUOTE]Thanks for filling in the details. At least I got the first name right.

It's possible when all is known that Petraeus won't look so brilliant after all. Considering how many general grade officers retire from the military it's significant that relatively few of these "proven" leaders go on to successful political careers. Before we go out on a limb complimenting Patraeus' exercize of brain power, let's consider why any graduating cadet would marry the daughter of the West Point Commandant.

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1347803]What small business needs is more money in the pockets of common people so they can walk through the door and buy more of their product.

Chris[/QUOTE]Yep, that would certainly help. Maybe more "free" social programs and more of that "free" stimulus money are what we need our fuehrer to order again. Now everybody look to their posters of Comrade O; extend your right arms straight out, up to the right a little, and palms down please; then shout out: BIG SMILE, BIG SMILE, BIG SMILE!

[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1347908]let's consider why any graduating cadet would marry the daughter of the West Point Commandant.[/QUOTE]Most people would naturally think it was for "career advancement", but me thinks it was because she fucked like a bunny and swallowed like a champ.

Can we now get back to mongering discussions here as well as this forums intended content and leave the politics to the pundits and their respective boards, blogs and forums?

[QUOTE=Pip Jaeger;1347991]Can we now get back to mongering discussions here as well as this forums intended content and leave the politics to the pundits and their respective boards, blogs and forums?[/QUOTE]If it's that annoying, why invest so much of your time and energy responding to two different posts that you believe sidetrack the forum?

[QUOTE=Pip Jaeger; 1347991]Yep, that would certainly help. Maybe more "free" social programs and more of that "free" stimulus money are what we need our fuehrer to order again. Now everybody look to their posters of Comrade O; extend your right arms straight out, up to the right a little, and palms down please; then shout out: BIG SMILE, BIG SMILE, BIG SMILE!

No one is asking for a hand out just a fair share of the increased revenue produced by increased productivity. In the economy of our fathers increases in productivity were evenly shared by both the owners and the workers. The increased revenue was reinvested in new capital which made the workers even more productive and higher wages for the more productive workers which allowed them to buy the products they produced. Today that increased revenue is just kept at the top. In the 1920s Henry Ford paid his workers an extravagant amount of money for that time. Within two years his profits doubled. The bases of profit is worker consumption, workers consume what they earn and owners earn what they consume. Workers who don't make much don't consume much; workers who earn more consume more. Money is the one thing that defies gravity, when money is put at the bottom it flows to the top. But on its way to the top it truly does lift all boats. Money does not trickle down, when money is placed at the top, there it stays and only benefits those at the top. Trickle down is zombie economics the walking dead, it's been disproven time and time again but yet as a theory it continues to walk, why because it benefits those at the top. Our economy has doubled in size since 1980 but when adjusted for inflation the income of the working class has remained flat. In the economy of our fathers some thirty to forty years ago the super wealthy received about 10% of the nation's income today they receive nearly 25% of the nation's income and own more than 40% of its wealth. The last time in our history when incomes and wealth were so skewed was 1928, 1929 I don't need to teach you what happened next. Consumption is the driving force behind the USA economy nearly three times larger than investment and government spending combined, (forget about net exports there negative and detraction from our GDP) however to maintain that consumption the working class need to receive their fair share of the nation's income and wealth. We have gone through a skewed income debt driven recession and slow recovery because the working class no longer have the purchasing power to maintain the economy at full employment.



Here ends the lesson, next week we will cover the new deal and Keynesian economics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc

Chris Long.

PhD Economics.

JD Law

Chris Long, that post belongs here: [url]http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?6937-2012-Elections-in-the-USA[/url] where a four flushing welsher weasled out of a bet he had with me.

I suggest you re.post it there and let this thread happily return to more degenerate topics.

Congratulations on your degrees.

Nobody's looking for a handout Mr. PhD JD? Come to my town to the other side of the tracks which is only a half mile from where I'm sitting. They don't have their hands out. They have their fists out either ready to knock you down and then stomp you or one fist wrapped around a 9 mil., which you are looking down the receiving end of. Tell them about your degrees and economics and the law when they are robbing, beating you and severely injuring and possibly killing you. The statment that nobody has their hand out is delusional. Are you from Hollywood? Nobody here is impressed with your degrees. Try educating those people about economics and the law and not us. Your attempt educating us economically and legally stinks of inexperience and naievity.

Trust me, I'm a lawyer.

Sorry mods, is Tim Geither a member here?

And moving this discussion from the Manila thread [url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?1007-Manila&p=7745&viewfull=1#post7745[/url]

As I pointed out before I use to have gf 1 2 3 back home so when I moved to Cebu I just did what I had done all my life, it just easier to have more here.

The pitfalls are nothing like samon posted, I love how guys who have never met me have strong opinions. Ones that come to mind are.

Theft, they steal from each other and from you, little things like soap and memory cards.

Drug use, too many girls who p4p have a drug habit, (hence the theft) that's why I avoid the lower class girls

Talking outside what you do, it rare but if I have a girl boast about having a foriegner to her friends I drop her.

Attitude, some girls are bipolar get rid of them, some think they can make more money same get rid of them.

What it not about is money, if you just think you can throw money arround to live like this then you will have more problems every day, pinay are moody and strange when it comes to money, that's why I give them a budget to stick to and they share with their family. I also have budgets what we do every month.

I live like this as I can not find a girl who will sex me 6 times a day, even my girls complain they are sore from sex every day and need days off, I had the same problem back home that why I had more than one gf and that is why I do anal sex. Some girls prefer the anal sex (and they are not fat look at the size of my hand on their butt). The freelancers I find I use condoms, the girls who live with me get check ups and tested.

The police visit where from expat neighbors making complaints, as you see here many people get jealous and when they see it and how happy my girls are it seems they want to get at me. I never paid the police to leave as I do not break the laws my girls are gfs, the freelancers get paid for their time some even get paid if I do not sex them. A ex gf tried to charge me for the photos I post but the police said they cannot see her face so they would not charge me.

The main thing is I do not lie, I rather girls leave me if I tell them how I feel. I kick girls out for lies so the others need to know I do not lie so they do not lie, that is the hardest thing to get from a pinay.

[QUOTE=Frenzy3;1348291]A ex gf tried to charge me for the photos I post but the police said they cannot see her face so they would not charge me.[/QUOTE]Woah. You brought police interest here?

[QUOTE=Slippery; 1348278]Nobody's looking for a handout Mr. PhD JD? Come to my town to the other side of the tracks which is only a half mile from where I'm sitting. They don't have their hands out. They have their fists out either ready to knock you down and then stomp you or one fist wrapped around a 9 mil, which you are looking down the receiving end of. Tell them about your degrees and economics and the law when they are robbing, beating you and severely injuring and possibly killing you. The statment that nobody has their hand out is delusional. Are you from Hollywood? Nobody here is impressed with your degrees. Try educating those people about economics and the law and not us. Your attempt educating us economically and legally stinks of inexperience and naievity.

Trust me, I'm a lawyer.

Sorry mods, is Tim Geither a member here?[/QUOTE]That's just my point, these neighborhoods of inequality and crime will continue to grow because the gains from productivity are not evenly shared amongst the working class. I to know these people I was a public defender before I accepted a tenured professor's position in economics. These people are reacting against a system they know is unfair has mistreated them and used them. They can't put it into words and they don't fully understand but they know the system has robbed them so they feel justified in striking back against anyone who is not of the same color as them or anyone who they perceive as having more than them. With the skewing of the gains of growth going almost exclusively to the top these neighborhoods of inequality and crime will continue to increase no matter how many laws you pass or how many of them you put in jail or execute, the problem will continue. The solution to this is a growing middle class not a shrinking middle class as we have today. The situation today is not just a skewed income debt driven recession and slow growth, but combined with this as Joseph Schumpeter called it we are experiencing creative destruction. Technology in manufacturing and the service industry has replaced many workers and the workers that are now needed especially in manufacturing will require a higher degree of education and training. As Jeffery Sachs has pointed out the solution to this is education for the 21st century, this is a long term solution but we must develop a vocational system that educates workers for the higher technical skills of the 21st century both in manufacturing and in the service industry, but especially in the manufacturing sector. No country can remain a first world country and lead the world if it is not also the 21st century manufacturing center. So we really have two issues before us. One that income and wealth have not been evenly shared with the middle class so they no longer have the purchasing power to maintain the economy at full employment but also a period of creative destruction where technology has replaces many menial labor low skill jobs. The solution is investment in a 21st century vocational education system, and a fairer distributions from the gains in productivity. Not everyone should go to college, not everyone wants to go to college. But everyone should have a skill.

(Ok enough of this highbrow BS, let's go back to discussion mongering, I'll be in the PI in January we can get together and discuss economics, life, politics and pussy over a beer)

Your Friend.

Chris

[QUOTE=Jambo;1348295]Woah. You brought police interest here?[/QUOTE]Don't worry. The police and NBI already know about all monger sites including ISG.

That's why I have said more than a few times that it is not wise to post comments about politicians and their names or discuss other sensitive matters here. And especially not photos of girls' faces.

[QUOTE=Frenzy3; 1348291]And moving this discussion from the Manila thread.

[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?1007-Manila&p=7745&viewfull=1#post7745[/url]

The main thing is I do not lie, I rather girls leave me if I tell them how I feel. I kick girls out for lies so the others need to know I do not lie so they do not lie, that is the hardest thing to get from a pinay.[/QUOTE]Advice worth heeding.

[QUOTE=Jambo;1348295]Woah. You brought police interest here?[/QUOTE]You are pretty naive if you do not think police and others do not monitor this site. Also 1. You can see all the thumbnails when not logged in. 2. Girls can see your computer and post history which in my case the ex gf took note of the web site.

[QUOTE=Frenzy3; 1348291]And moving this discussion from the Manila thread.

[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?1007-Manila&p=7745&viewfull=1#post7745[/url]

The pitfalls are nothing like samon posted, I love how guys who have never met me have strong opinions.

Drug use, too many girls who p4p have a drug habit, (hence the theft) that's why I avoid the lower class girls

Talking outside what you do, it rare but if I have a girl boast about having a foriegner to her friends I drop her.

Attitude, some girls are bipolar get rid of them, some think they can make more money same get rid of them.

What it not about is money, if you just think you can throw money arround to live like this then you will have more problems every day, pinay are moody and strange when it comes to money, that's why I give them a budget to stick to and they share with their family. I also have budgets what we do every month.

I live like this as I can not find a girl who will sex me 6 times a day, even my girls complain they are sore from sex every day and need days off, I had the same problem back home that why I had more than one gf and that is why I do anal sex. Some girls prefer the anal sex (and they are not fat look at the size of my hand on their butt). The freelancers I find I use condoms, the girls who live with me get check ups and tested.

The police visit where from expat neighbors making complaints, as you see here many people get jealous and when they see it and how happy my girls are it seems they want to get at me. I never paid the police to leave as I do not break the laws my girls are gfs, the freelancers get paid for their time some even get paid if I do not sex them. A ex gf tried to charge me for the photos I post but the police said they cannot see her face so they would not charge me.

The main thing is I do not lie, I rather girls leave me if I tell them how I feel. I kick girls out for lies so the others need to know I do not lie so they do not lie, that is the hardest thing to get from a pinay.[/QUOTE]I have nothing against you Frenzy. You seem to have mastered the art of keeping your many girlfriends happy with less problems. More power to you!

1. Drug use is not prevalent with non-bar girls. Heck, they do not even like to drink alcohol. If they do just one drink only. Many a time I have to push them to have one drink.

2. The girls always talk outside with their friends what she does, where she lives, living arrangement etc including her sex life. Phi people are very open in that.

Many a times you will not even come to know what she is saying to her friends.

3. Attitude problems are common to many girls especially if they are living with other girls. Jealousy for various reasons are common. One of my DIA girls with small boobs always got jealous with my other gf who had big ones.

She tried to wreck my relationship with her saying mean things behind her back ofcourse.

4. Whether you agree or not money is the all important factor in your set up. Have you ever seen a gf who sticks to her allotted budget. Only some wives budget.

5. It is true girls pussy gets sore often. That is why I tend not to keep a girl for more than few days. I am not much interested in Anal sex. I will do it if the request come from the girl but always with a condom.

6. Police visit is part of the process for your set up. There will be many jealous expats and locals who will try to harm you. Ofcourse as you admitted girls can become problematic bitches at times. Usually extra money shuts them up.

My comments in the Manila thread was directed at another guy who wants to imitate your set up in Manila.

I was just advising him what the likely problems will be and how to deal with them.

[QUOTE=Slippery; 1348278]Nobody's looking for a handout Mr. PhD JD? Come to my town to the other side of the tracks which is only a half mile from where I'm sitting. They don't have their hands out. They have their fists out either ready to knock you down and then stomp you or one fist wrapped around a 9 mil, which you are looking down the receiving end of. Tell them about your degrees and economics and the law when they are robbing, beating you and severely injuring and possibly killing you. The statment that nobody has their hand out is delusional. Are you from Hollywood? Nobody here is impressed with your degrees. Try educating those people about economics and the law and not us. Your attempt educating us economically and legally stinks of inexperience and naievity.

Trust me, I'm a lawyer.

Sorry mods, is Tim Geither a member here?[/QUOTE][url]Http://video.pbs.org/video/2300849486[/url]

[QUOTE=Chris Long;1348771][url]Http://video.pbs.org/video/2300849486[/url][/QUOTE]Chris, nice piece on how the middle class has all but evaporated. It makes me wonder if a certain low level divorce attorney will take the time to watch it and educate himself as to why nobody needs his worthless services anymore.

[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver;1348983]Chris, nice piece on how the middle class has all but evaporated. It makes me wonder if a certain low level divorce attorney will take the time to watch it and educate himself as to why nobody needs his worthless services anymore.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha I don't do divorces but if she kills him, I'll get her off!

Any kiwis on the forum who can suggest airlines that offer good prices and short flight times roundtrip Manila to Auckland or Christchurch? I realize it may require a stop somewhere-Singapore, Hong Kong, Melbourne. Thanks, Skip

[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1349100]Any kiwis on the forum who can suggest airlines that offer good prices and short flight times roundtrip Manila to Auckland or Christchurch? I realize it may require a stop somewhere-Singapore, Hong Kong, Melbourne. Thanks, Skip[/QUOTE]Try royal Brunei airlines, or jetstar Manila Singa, Auckland, there are others you could look at scoot ,and airasia but they are from Singa and kl and to Syd, and Melb.

For the third time in about as many days, I've gotten replies from "19" year olds on the dating site that says she's 16. I remind them it's illegal, I've never seen the inside of a Philippine prison and I don't intend to. Then I either hit them up for a pretty brown friend that's 19 already, or delete their contact.

And it's always the ones with the prettiest pictures. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a set up.

[QUOTE=Gettin Trim; 1349145]For the third time in about as many days, I've gotten replies from "19" year olds on the dating site that says she's 16. I remind them it's illegal, I've never seen the inside of a Philippine prison and I don't intend to. Then I either hit them up for a pretty brown friend that's 19 already, or delete their contact.

And it's always the ones with the prettiest pictures. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a set up.[/QUOTE]In my experience, it's usually neither a "sting" or a "horny girl." There are a lot of parents in the Philippines who urge their daughters, some as young as 13, to attract a foreign man who will give cash, gifts, etc. To "help" the family. This practice seems to be especially common in the provinces.

RG

i was researching this and came across this informative posting from another forum which though off topic i thought could be of interest to.

other members. the post is about a year old so if anyone wants to update the info feel free.

i'd like to update this thread with the current mid-2011 offerings of networks here in the ph.

[quote]prepaid data: (prepaid sim cards available everywhere from php60) buy this for your smartphones / unlocked broadband sticks.

globe: supersurf service 50php a day or 220php / 5days. fair usage at 800mb / day.

register by texting: supersurf50 or supersurf220 to 8888.

globe apn for prepaid is: [url]http.globe.com.ph[/url]

for blackberry users, there is also bb max. bbmax50/220 (same as supersurf validity-wise and unlimited blackberry apn use and internet service) or 599 – 30 days.

smart: two services are now available a. tiered data b. unlimited internet.

a. for tiered data pricing there is always on data plans. 300php is the sweet spot for 250mb of data usable for 30 days or whichever comes first).

register by texting: on 20/30/300/500/750/999 send to 2200. 25mb (1 day) /50mb (1 day) /250mb / 500/1gb / 2gb respectively (smart buddy and smartbro sim)

*there is 200php / 15days / 180mb of data exclusively for smartbro sims and datacards (on 200 send to 2200)

b. unlimited surfing 50 a day. 300 a week or 1200 a month. (pure unrestricted surfing, unlike globe which advertises their supersurf plan as also unlimited)

text: unli 50/300/1200 and send to 211 (smart buddy sim)

text: unli 50/100/200 and send to 2200 (smartbro sim).1/2/5 days.

smart buddy apn: internet.

smartbro apn: smartbro.

i will not include sun cellular prepaid as their network is super slow in congested areas because of their cheap postpaid offering (650php a month for unlimited data) for local calls though, their 150php a month unlimited texts and 4-hour calls within the same network is a steal and their voice network is on par with the top 2 telcos. (use this network for voice and sms in conjunction with data cards / usb modems)

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usb dongles:

due to widespread unlocking of datacards in the past, the networks now use newer modems with no possible easy unlocks. data cards are relatively cheap for tourists but buy as last resort since it will be unusable after leaving the ph.

globe: tattoo stick. 995php ( 25usd) and unlimited 5 days internet (120 hours) upon activation 2mbps max (800mb a day fair usage. 2100mhz network only, huawei e1550 usb modem)

smart: a. starter plug-it. 995php ( 25usd) and unlimited 5 days internet upon activation 2mbps max download 384kbps up (cheap e153 huawei modem 2100mhz. 850mhz). b. power plug-it. 1245php ( 30usd) with unlimited 5 days upon activation 3mbps max down and 1mbps up. (better mobile software + 2100mhz and 850mhz network) c. rocket plug-it. 4000php ( 100usd) upto 12mbps max 2mbps up. (selected availability on hspa signal)

sun cellular: 1245php slow internet service so i won't bother recommending it. (2100mhz frequency)

coverage ranking: 1. smart 2. globe and 3. sun cellular.

consistency ranking: 1. globe (2mbps is 2mbps) 2. smart 3. sun.

speed ranking: 1. smart (4mbps in good areas, below 2 in congested areas) 2. globe 3. sun.

value ranking: 1. sun 2. smart 3. globe.

only smart has 2 out of 5 3g license released for auction by the ntc that's why they have the better 850mhz frequency for farther reach and better wall penetration.

sources: [url]http://tattoo.globe.com.ph[/url]

[url]http://smart.com.ph/bro[/url]

[url]http://smart.com.ph/buddy[/url]

[url]http://www.suncellular.com.ph[/url][/quote]

[QUOTE=BrainDrain; 1328363]When in Hong Kong I'm thinking of flying in a girl from Phils to spend some time with me. She was good fun when I met her in Angeles. For the cost of the airfare and food, I'm sure she can be good fun again.

As far as meeting them on Arrival at Hong Kong airport, does anyone have any tips?

I'll be arriving on a flight around the same time. So, I need a fail safe system that she can meet up with me.

I'm thinking of waiting for her at airport Meeting Point or perhaps at an Arrivals Lounge. Any suggestions?

Also, she will obviously be travelling on her Philippines passport, any issues that you might be aware of upon her arrival at HKG. Do they really check for available funds? She will have a prepaid return air tix.

Thoughts appreciated.

BD[/QUOTE]A couple of months ago I posted this question and received some excellent feedback from members. It was suggested that I travel to Philippines and make sure that the girl got out of the country OK. As it turned out I am glad that I did this. It was her first trip on her shinny new passport. Going through the airport there was an additional 'tourist' tax which had to be paid on the girl's ticket. What a rip off. Anyway, if I wasn't there she wouldn't have had the P2, 000 to cover that. Then once she got to immigration there were plenty of questions of her, how did she know me, what were out intentions, where did we meet. I ended up having to sign a Stat Dec to say I would cover her costs and return her to Philippines.

I was actually glad to see the level of detail that the immigration officers went to. As an honest, open monger it was all legit. I hope they do make some dint in the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url].

A couple of tips for others:

I preloaded the girls wallet with HKG dollars and she knew how much she had. (they asked to see it)

I also made sure she was carrying PHP.

She knew my full details as per my passport.

I think her being able to answer questions easily without referring to me, made the situation look legitimate, which it was.

Would I do it again. Absolutely. Great benefits having a live in lady for my time in Hong Kong. She was happy just to wander around and be a tourist while I worked.

All up airfare as AUD150 return.

Thank you ISG members.

BD

[QUOTE=BrainDrain; 1350816]A couple of months ago I posted this question and received some excellent feedback from members.

BD[/QUOTE]Glad to hear it worked out fine. When I answered your initial question, I forgot to mention that I'd sent a scanned signed copy of a letter in which I declared that I'd take care of all the needs (woohaa) of my girl with regard to food and lodging. I guess this made things easier for her when she went through immigration at HKIA.

There was a thread a few weeks ago about gangs of kids mobbing people and going into their pockets before the yokel knew what was happening. I posted at that time that a little gang of ruffians got me one time in Cebu, then tried it again a couple of days later. Same kids! I guess they hit so many they forget who they have nailed, LOL. A few days more, and they were sitting on some steps in front of my hotel. They posed for the attached pics (if the mod finds it ok to post) , were well aware I was taking them. Brass balls on those kids. Anyway, if a band of kids comes at you, yelling and cheering, just put your hands in your pockets to cover your money and papers and walk on fast.

Thanks to one of our senior members for downsizing the pics; it is not part of my skill set. That's why they weren't posted a couple of weeks ago when the thread was current.

Re : Scruffy little band of pickpockets.

That's looks like them they work the sky bridge that you photograph them on and the street down to fooda. Where are the NGO when it comes to kids like these, us mongers have no chance of helping them and they just annoy us when they want, giving them money only keeps them out on the street.

Still at least they do not own guns or knifes like back home.

[QUOTE=MrHombre; 1351233]There was a thread a few weeks ago about gangs of kids mobbing people and going into their pockets before the yokel knew what was happening. I posted at that time that a little gang of ruffians got me one time in Cebu, then tried it again a couple of days later. Same kids! I guess they hit so many they forget who they have nailed, LOL. A few days more, and they were sitting on some steps in front of my hotel. They posed for the attached pics (if the mod finds it ok to post) , were well aware I was taking them. Brass balls on those kids. Anyway, if a band of kids comes at you, yelling and cheering, just put your hands in your pockets to cover your money and papers and walk on fast.

Thanks to one of our senior members for downsizing the pics; it is not part of my skill set. That's why they weren't posted a couple of weeks ago when the thread was current.[/QUOTE]That pic is taken at the skywalk fuente circle. Be careful of those kids. They operate around the fuente mango area and swarm foreigners who have both eyes glued on the filipinas instead of being aware of there surroundings. Sometimes the kids get into trouble with a security guard and the guard calls the PNP. They round up the kids and turn them over to the DSSC cebu section. The kids are (mostly) from Mindanao and have an older handler (aunt or uncle). When the family of the children can't be located DSSC releases the kids back to the street with threats that if they are caught again they will be fed to the crocodiles. It doesn't work, the kids are back on fuente the same day.

Local kids from very poor areas around CC have started to sing Christmas songs (caroling) to jeep passengers stopped at major intersections. They fill an empty water bottle with small rocks to make noise. Many locals are complaining about the kids but it's low priority stuff.

[quote=stroker ace88;1351301].[/quote]and be careful, if you take picture of kids, the cops can pounce on you for being possible ****s.

one too many foreigner got away. with police fines! ranging from the lowest i know. 3000 peso, to 30,000 peso.

But I think the chance of you getting in trouble for taking pictures of theifs as child stuff. Is slim to none. See it on tv here for the charitys all the time. I know those kids. And it is a shame and food for thought when you see the girls dressed up at mango at 1 am. I told them to enjoy their youth it only comes once. You could see so much pain and knowlege in those little eyes. They tried to get in my pockets my first time back in 20 years about 4 years ago. I could see the mom or auntie egging them on. I even just walked in the middle of the street and they still would not give up. So I walked up to the pizza place across from Jullianas. It was 1pm day time and the waiter ran them off. Now, this is the hard part. I sat there and cried. I would give up my daily pussy for those kids to eat. I just would not let them take from me. But, I knew in my heart my God, Jesus loved them more than he did me. That he said suffer not the children to come unto me. I just do not like to be robbed. That poor young waiter looked at me like a old fool. And I got up after drinking my coffe and water and headed down to Foda. It takes a while to get use to the poverty sometimes. That is why I like cebu more than manila. There are up to 2 million people living on the street in manila. Kids! Our future, Yea I know who they are. And atleast they do not run with adults who are armed like in manila. I have encountered that there.

[quote=redman69;1351966]but i think the chance of you getting in trouble for taking pictures of theifs as child stuff. is slim to none.[/quote]not many guys going to admit it that they been threatened by the cops for possible 'possession of pictures of children. '. i personally know been two guys, who been bullied into settling in lieu of court cases. /jail. etc. when they were taking pictures of the scenery around ac, and the cops demanded to inspect the phone. and more.

well, firstly they weren't street smart. and anyway. they were terrified of being the headline news. especially in the times of highly funded ngos going after ****s. and what is the most common comment after any bar raid? minors found employed.

[quote]see it on tv here for the charitys all the time. i know those kids. and it is a shame and food for thought when you see the girls dressed up at mango at 1 am. i told them to enjoy their youth it only comes once. you could see so much pain and knowlege in those little eyes. they tried to get in my pockets my first time back in 20 years about 4 years ago. i could see the mom or auntie egging them on. i even just walked in the middle of the street and they still would not give up. so i walked up to the pizza place across from jullianas. it was 1pm day time and the waiter ran them off. now, this is the hard part. i sat there and cried. i would give up my daily pussy for those kids to eat. i just would not let them take from me. but, i knew in my heart my god, jesus loved them more than he did me. that he said suffer not the children to come unto me. i just do not like to be robbed. that poor young waiter looked at me like a old fool. and i got up after drinking my coffe and water and headed down to foda. it takes a while to get use to the poverty sometimes. that is why i like cebu more than manila. there are up to 2 million people living on the street in manila. kids! our future, yea i know who they are. and atleast they do not run with adults who are armed like in manila. i have encountered that there.[/quote]well, if you ever drop by singapore, i would buy you a beer, for the emotional roller coaster story you penned there.

Hello,

Please, help me: which travel medical kits (or which reports or which links) are useful to identify sexual-transmitted diseases in sex providers in Philippines? And which are the main medicines to use in emergency case of STD?

Thanks for advice.

[QUOTE=AColonizer; 1352296]Hello,

Please, help me: which travel medical kits (or which reports or which links) are useful to identify sexual-transmitted diseases in sex providers in Philippines? And which are the main medicines to use in emergency case of STD?

Thanks for advice.[/QUOTE]Simple just use a condom and if you find a gf take her to a clinic to do a proper test should set you back about 4000 peso

[QUOTE=AColonizer; 1352296]Hello,

Please, help me: which travel medical kits (or which reports or which links) are useful to identify sexual-transmitted diseases in sex providers in Philippines? And which are the main medicines to use in emergency case of STD?

Thanks for advice.[/QUOTE]Apart from Frenzey's advice, go to a decent hospital (A&E) for treatment. Doctors seen it all am sure and can quickly offer medication.

The police are much maligned in the Philippines and for many good reasons. But this article sort of rubs salt in the wounds as all cheated and got the wrong answer. Says a lot!

[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/hundreds-of-philippine-police-cheated-in-exams[/url]

Manila.

Due to logistical problems, we finally landed in Manila at sunrise. Seven hours past scheduled arrival. I checked into a room at Executive Plaza that I booked on Expedia for 50usd per night. For walk-ins, the nightly rate is 2, 500php. Oddly, both rates haven't changed in a few years, despite the fluctuating dollar / peso.

Even after being awake for 30 hours (Impossible for me to nap on a plane) I was too excited to sleep. So I showered, changed, and headed out to MBC.

Maybe because of the early hour, my first visit to MBC in six months wasn't as exciting as I had anticipated. I arrived to find a rough selection of honeys vying for a few guys slumped over the bar. The guys were in a zombie-like state, presumably due to a night of hard partying. And the honeys looked tired and desperate. The mood was depressing. I left before I even finished my drink.

Still awake at noon, I returned to MBC determined to find a quality honey to keep me company before sleep caught up with me. A cutie, looking vaguely familiar, stepped up and introduced herself as Princess. Princess reminded me that we had met months ago, and that I had given her a small tip before I left the bar with someone else. That checks out, I thought. Whenever I meet a quality honey that I can't fit into my schedule, I slip her a little something so that she remembers me next time. Princess was chosen on the spot, and left me dead tired after her great performance. I slept for hours.

Later that night, I stopped by Amazonia hoping to spot the elusive honey who had once upon a time rocked my world. Ever since our first and only encounter many moons ago, I always make an effort to look out for her whenever I'm in Manila. I haven't seen her since, but it doesn't cost anything to keep hope alive.

However, I did achieve some success with the charming darling who served me. Fresh from Samar, I could see that she was strictly a waitress and had no interest in the game. We agreed to hook up after her shift the next day for some innocent fun. After finalizing our plans, I said goodnight to Miss Samar, and headed to MBC, where I had an appointment to meet Yvonne.

I've known Yvonne for a few years, and it's always a pleasure to see her. An adorable spinner who always looks fresh and well groomed, never grubby, and never in a hurry, she scores a solid ten for presentation and attitude alone. She's one of the few MBC honeys who I wouldn't mind being seen with in public. You might find her with a friend or two, but she normally operates alone. That night she introduced one of her friends, and the three of us went to my room for a photo shoot. (Yvonne loves posing for photos, but unfortunately for you horny toads, only under the condition that I promise not to post them online.) After an hour, Yvonne asks me to choose between them for the main event. I chose her friend and Yvonne happily leaves with a small tip. Later during her performance, I had to stop a few times to make sure that my newest honey was still breathing. She turned out to be as sensuous as a sack of rice. When I finally sent her on her way, I found myself more disappointed about wasting a good nut than about anything else.

The next morning, I rested before hanging out with Miss Samar in the afternoon. An invitation to my room was firmly declined, but we still had a great time.

Angeles.

I headed out to Angeles for the first time to pay a quick visit to a honey I had recently met on Facebook. Following the advice on this board, I called up Swagman Hotel to confirm their bus schedule. They accommodate everyone who shows up by departure time, so reservations are not required. 500php each way. I also learned that they're only a short ride from Executive Plaza. Close enough to walk, but I suggest a taxi. Walking the streets with your luggage is an invitation for thugs, who will know that you're carrying everything with you, including your passport, cash, and credit cards.

A few dudes on the bus took jabs at me. No need to tie yourself down to one honey in Angeles, they advised. I explained that this was primarily a reconnaissance mission, squeezed in after I had finalized my itinerary. Don't worry, I assured them. I'll be back to tear up Angeles right.

Getting to Angeles was smooth. I was pleased to see that the bus loops around the city to drop off passengers at their hotels. On the rebound, they'll pick you up if you call in advance.

I stayed at the Savannah, booked on Agoda for 100usd. Judging by how hard it was to find an available room online, you should be sure that your accommodations are set before heading to Angeles. Savannah is not in the center of the action, but I was impressed with the facilities. They have real beds too.

I had a great time with my Facebook honey. After the main event, she guided my first walking tour of Fields Ave. (100php trike ride from Savannah.) From what I saw, I understood why dudes give the Angeles Experience mixed reviews.

To get a feel for my Facebook honey's level in the game, I casually asked her about how much honeys in Angeles earn. I then coyly suggested that a saleslady job in a mall might be enough for her. She sharply replied that she prefers working in the bar. She has a lot of friends there, and it's a lot of fun. Expecting a heartbreaking story about the pressures of being the family's breadwinner, that response took me by surprise.

Tacloban.

I started my journey to Biliran to visit an ex girlfriend and her family who have grown over the years to become dear friends. Getting to Biliran involves flying to Tacloban, then riding in a car for about three hours.

At Tacloban, I was greeted by my ex and three of her young and gorgeous cousins. We planned to spend the night in the city before driving to Biliran in the morning. (One of the young cousins drives her own car!)

Dissatisfied with Leyte Park resort on previous visits, I rolled the dice with Hotel Alejandro. As a walk-in, the room was a reasonable 1, 100php. It was simple and clean, and the hotel had a warm and cozy feel. Random walks through the corridors to take in the WW2 memorabilia on display would appeal to the history buffs out there. I highly recommend it. Also recommended is Ocho, a seafood restaurant in town. (I know what you're thinking, and the answer is no. Her three cousins stayed with relatives elsewhere in the city.)

At Biliran, the family greeted me with a surprise welcome back party, complete with a little roasted pig. I spent a few days with the family doing a lot of outdoor stuff. I was asked to put my wallet away so many times I was becoming suspicious. I had a great experience. Her family really knows how to make a visitor feel like a welcomed guest.

My ex is a schoolteacher who comes from a family of achievers. A few of them hold respected positions in the community, and the youngsters are destined for nice careers in medicine and law. It didn't occur to me until my long flight back home that maintaining relationships with the youngsters could develop into nice connections in the future, should I eventually retire to the Philippines. They're now on my Christmas list.

Cebu.

After Biliran, I headed to Cebu to spend quality time with my Cebu squeeze. Getting to Cebu from Biliran involves a harrowing bus ride to Ormoc (200php) , then ferrying to Cebu (I forgot the cost). The bus driver zipped through the countryside like a cowboy high on cocaine.

Miss Squeeze is a recent college grad I met four years ago. Part of her story is the cliché we all know: Young, cute, poor, and fighting her way up in life. But beyond that, she's quite different. Her intelligence is astounding, and I'm not being condescending. She has a greater aptitude for learning than some individuals I know with Ivy League credentials. I've supported her through school, and she just landed her first real job. She wanted to celebrate by treating me to a romantic weekend on the Camotes Islands, for which she had been saving for a while. A lovely catch, indeed. Oh, I almost forgot. And I met her on DIA.

Getting to Camotes from Cebu meant a ride from the V-hire terminal at SM mall to Danao (100php). From there, another ferry takes you to the islands (I don't remember the fare.) We stayed at Santiago Bay Resort, located right on the beach (1, 300php, cash only.) The facilities were fine, but there was no Wi-Fi and cellular service was poor. Like in Biliran, the translucence of the water was surreal. I went camera crazy.

We returned to Cebu where Miss Squeeze alternated between her home and my room at Holiday Plaza (2, 000php) for the next few nights. This provided some time for me to check out Cebu's night scene alone.

On a whim late one night, I took a taxi to the much talked about Colon area. The experience was creepy, but I finally settled on a honey that I took to Queensland Motel. I was tempted to keep it simple and take her back to Holiday, but I was concerned that she might return uninvited while Miss Squeeze was in the room. That could easily happen, considering the relaxed security at Holiday.

Although a little rough around the edges, she was cute with a tight body, and performed like a champ. I mulled over seeing her again, but my thoughts kept returning to the hazards of dealing with street honeys. So I let it go.

Gensan.

My last stop was Gensan. I had originally planned to spend most of my vacation there, but I procrastinated because I was doubtful of its purpose.

I was to finally meet the family of a lady who I've spent several romantic weekends with (I'the fly her in from Gensan to wherever I might be.) She's a sexy 23 year old with a lovely hourglass figure on a petite frame, and has a flawless complexion. She has professed her undying love and devotion to me, but anyone with an ounce of smarts could see that I'm not the only guy in the picture. It didn't make sense to bring things to the next level by meeting her family.

I eventually caved in to the pressure that comes with making a promise to a Filipina drama queen, and agreed to visit for one night. (Yet another clue. Someone truly in love would find that compromise unacceptable.)

Miss Gensan and her (equally hot) sisters picked me up at the airport and brought me to Manny Pacquiao's new Roadhous Economy Hotel, where I dropped off my things before going to their home. The room was a reasonable 2, 000php per night. Everything was brand spanking new. Nice restaurant too. Nope, I did not see Mr. Pacquiao.

Admittedly, after seeing Miss Gensan's living conditions, I can appreciate her mercenary style. If trapped in the same circumstances, I'the also grab on to every opportunity in sight. With that understanding, I took things in stride, and just enjoyed my last night in the Philippines.

Before I wrap up, I have one more thing to share. It seems that some mongers out there have the game fucked up. On two occasions I observed dudes carrying on in public as if they were actual rock stars. Guys, as a foreigner, you will have already arrived with more player points than you will need. Loud and boastful public displays not only serve to turn off the ladies, they also expose you to locals aiming to do you harm. Do yourself a favor and leave your swagger at home.

-Gumby.

[QUOTE=Gumby2004; 1353170]Before I wrap up, I have one more thing to share. It seems that some mongers out there have the game fucked up. On two occasions I observed dudes carrying on in public as if they were actual rock stars. Guys, as a foreigner, you will have already arrived with more player points than you will need. Loud and boastful public displays not only serve to turn off the ladies, they also expose you to locals aiming to do you harm. Do yourself a favor and leave your swagger at home.

-Gumby.[/QUOTE]Great report and nice to read, I do agree with the last comment greatly, the amount of times I see guys here with inflated ego here in cebu makes me wonder why they even bother to leave home and come here.

Some are our bogans from Aust, the others seem to just be bad drunks who think their shit does not stink, I must admit they do look stupid when the stare at my harem of girls, last time going out I even had one try and join my girls while they where on the dance floor, what they did not see is how the security where looking at me while standing behind them, being a local expat and knowing the staff here I never worry, but I can imagine other guys not being as nice.

I think the swagger comes from too much drink and no amount of IQ can help the state these guys drink themselves too.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1353079]The police are much maligned in the Philippines and for many good reasons. But this article sort of rubs salt in the wounds as all cheated and got the wrong answer. Says a lot!

[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/hundreds-of-philippine-police-cheated-in-exams[/url][/QUOTE]Much like the nursing exams a few years ago. A corrupted culture.

Any news coming out this morning about the murder of the American diplomat in Makati?

[QUOTE=Slippery;1353239]Any news coming out this morning about the murder of the American diplomat in Makati?[/QUOTE]According to this article, the American killed was the husband of a diplomat. I wonder if he was a monger?

For some reason, I can't find this story on any of the major American news networks.

[url]http://gawker.com/5963052/marine-husband-of-us-diplomat-murdered-in-the-philippines[/url]

A USA national living in the city of Makati, a part of Metro Manila, was stabbed to death by four men just outside of the gate to his residential community yesterday. The victim, George Anikow, was initially identified as a diplomat himself, with police chief Manual Lucban confirming he'd received a call from the US Embassy after the murder; other sources identify Anikow as "a dependent of one of the officers of the US Embassy" awaiting a return to active duty as a USA Marine.

According to ABS-CBN News, the four men were riding in a silver Volvo that was stopped at the security gate of the Bel-Air subdivision for an identity check around 4:20 a. M. When Anikow walked up. Reports of the nature of the argument vary, although the police report that at some point Anikow "tapped" the men's car, at which point all four passengers came out and confronted him. Anikow was stabbed repeatedly and died a few hours later in a local hospital.

Friends of Anikow have already begun posting messages of condolence on the Facebook page for the 4th Civil Affairs Group. As part of this group, Anikow was trained in "Tactical Conflict Assessment Planning and Framework," a technique that was designed to assist Marines foster relationships with local populations.

The four men, who were caught by police after a short motorcycle chase, were identified as Crispec dela Paz, Galicano Datu III, Ospic Caburay, and Juan Abastillas. Two of them are currently students at De La Salle University. A tactical knife has already been recovered from the vehicle and the police are prepared to file charges.

Outside of an initial flurry of stories on the local news immediately after the stabbing, I've seen nothing on the local media about the story. BelAir is one of the richest, most exclusive subdivisions in Makati, which makes the story even more bizarre.

GE

[QUOTE=Ezinho; 1353243]According to this article, the American killed was the husband of a diplomat. I wonder if he was a monger?

(snip)

Other sources identify Anikow as "a dependent of one of the officers of the US Embassy" awaiting a return to active duty as a USA Marine.

(snip)

At some point Anikow "tapped" the men's car, at which point all four passengers came out and confronted him. Anikow was stabbed repeatedly and died a few hours later in a local hospital.

(snip)

Anikow was trained in "Tactical Conflict Assessment Planning and Framework," a technique that was designed to assist Marines foster relationships with local populations.

(snip)

Two of them are currently students at De La Salle University. A tactical knife has already been recovered from the vehicle and the police are prepared to file charges.[/QUOTE]Burning Korans, pissing on corpses,"tapping" on a car occupied by four young men when you are a "guest" in their country: kinda makes "Marine Corps civil affairs" sound like an oxymoron.

But the other side of the equation-young Filipinos (in a Volvo, no less)--stabbing a foreigner in the middle of the night in a gated community in Makati, is equally puzzling. In the past, several expats have defended Filipinos against our criticisms, noting their loyalty and generosity. I also know of situations in which poor Filipino families put the last of the family larder out just to treat guests hospitably, leaving nothing for themselves for the future. (Delayed gratification has little meaning to many Filipinos.)

But on the other hand this violent underbelly exists: killing off political opponents; stabbings or shootings to avenge infringements on somebody's wife or girlfriend, or sometimes over some trivial slight against one's honor. (But can't help wondering if this story involves encroachment on somebody's girlfriend.) There's also a history of inter-fraternity violence that has resulted in murdering members of opposing fraternities at the top universities in the country-apparently over little more than honor and retaliation. And these are supposed to be the creme de la creme of young Filipinos.

So this juxtaposition of generosity and loyalty, on the one hand, and murderous violence at the drop of a hat (or a tap on the side of a car), on the other hand, is paradoxical. I have a hard time getting my head around it. Anybody among our expats got a handle on this paradox?

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1353079]The police are much maligned in the Philippines and for many good reasons. But this article sort of rubs salt in the wounds as all cheated and got the wrong answer. Says a lot!

[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/hundreds-of-philippine-police-cheated-in-exams[/url][/QUOTE]Sounds exactly like what the Deltas did in Animal House: all used the same crib sheet with wrong answers for the big psychology exam. Hilarious that real life can be the same as the movie. You suppose the PNP have toga parties?

This paradise dose seem to be worth a visit. Not much info about this place on the board. Dose anyone of you guys know how is it finding a hot filipina for a more pleasant stay.

Both one night stands and longer term relationship would do it for me. And sure money is not an issue. Other suggestions also are welcome that have a supply of gold diggers. Maybe Cebu, Pawalan...are better...?

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1354831]This paradise dose seem to be worth a visit. Not much info about this place on the board. Dose anyone of you guys know how is it finding a hot filipina for a more pleasant stay.

Both one night stands and longer term relationship would do it for me. And sure money is not an issue. Other suggestions also are welcome that have a supply of gold diggers. Maybe Cebu, Pawalan. Are better?[/QUOTE]There is not much to report on Barocay, it has freelancers you need to meet the locals by going out to places they hang out and mixing, the quality is not great, best to byo

[QUOTE=Tomux 22; 1354831]This paradise dose seem to be worth a visit. Not much info about this place on the board. Dose anyone of you guys know how is it finding a hot filipina for a more pleasant stay.

Both one night stands and longer term relationship would do it for me. And sure money is not an issue. Other suggestions also are welcome that have a supply of gold diggers. Maybe Cebu, Pawalan. Are better?[/QUOTE]I don't think you will have any trouble at all finding a holiday honey in the Phils. I would guess hitting some freelancejoints in Manila, Cebu etc and "shop" around with your wish will do the trick. I guess many girls in Phils have felxible "jobs" pleasuring us so if they take a sudden holiday no one gets hurt. I don't know how bargirls work in this matter but if you barfine enough days I guess not a problem.

Another option would be to sign up in some dating sites (I have no idea of your timeframe as this will take you some time to find someone you like and there are allways a possibility beeing stood up). But I guess you could be lucky as well. Happy journey with your "love"hehe

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1354848]I don't think you will have any trouble at all finding a holiday honey in the Phils. I would guess hitting some freelancejoints in Manila, Cebu etc and "shop" around with your wish will do the trick. I guess many girls in Phils have felxible "jobs" pleasuring us so if they take a sudden holiday no one gets hurt. I don't know how bargirls work in this matter but if you barfine enough days I guess not a problem.

Another option would be to sign up in some dating sites (I have no idea of your timeframe as this will take you some time to find someone you like and there are allways a possibility beeing stood up). But I guess you could be lucky as well. Happy journey with your "love"hehe[/QUOTE]I will go for 3 weeks. I guess playing it safe is never a wrong way to go. So staying in Manila first few days and finding my travel friend might be good idea.

[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1354857]So staying in Manila first few days and finding my travel friend might be good idea.[/QUOTE]Don't forget to find out her "period" dates.

[QUOTE=David_33;1354867]Don't forget to find out her "period" dates.[/QUOTE]Ask when her period is and she'll likely get confused. Ask when her "menses" or "mens" (she might mispronounce) is instead.

[QUOTE=Ebauche;1354916]Ask when her period is and she'll likely get confused. Ask when her "menses" or "mens" (she might mispronounce) is instead.[/QUOTE]My GF back home she is half pinay but borned and raised in Norway. She teaches norwegian to foreign people entering Norway and amongst them a bunch of pinays coming to work as au-pairs as well. She told me that she also did have to teach some of the girls about their syclus in menstruation as some pinays get surprised every month when something red is showing from their pussy. I guess these things are not much spoken about in phillys.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1355062]My GF back home she is half pinay but borned and raised in Norway. She teaches norwegian to foreign people entering Norway and amongst them a bunch of pinays coming to work as au-pairs as well. She told me that she also did have to teach some of the girls about their syclus in menstruation as some pinays get surprised every month when something red is showing from their pussy. I guess these things are not much spoken about in phillys.[/QUOTE]Absolutely right. In fact, sex education is prohibited and there's a controversial bill on reproductive health being considered now. It's been watered down significantly because of the objections of the celibate men in skirts. Aka the catholic bishops who continue to have a stranglehold on this country. So for the most part, kids who attend public schools (who tend to be kids from poor families) are clueless about reproduction and sexuality. Evidently the men in black skirts don't give a damn if poor catholics keep churning out spates of poor catholics. Of course the rich and middle class pay no attention at all and limit their family sizes.

GE

Yes, there are some naive people in this world. Mr. Skogis, are you one of them?

[QUOTE=Skogis;1355062]My GF back home she is half pinay but borned and raised in Norway. She teaches norwegian to foreign people entering Norway and amongst them a bunch of pinays coming to work as au-pairs as well. She told me that she also did have to teach some of the girls about their syclus in menstruation as some pinays get surprised every month when something red is showing from their pussy. I guess these things are not much spoken about in phillys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Skogis;1355062]My GF back home she is half pinay but borned and raised in Norway. She teaches norwegian to foreign people entering Norway and amongst them a bunch of pinays coming to work as au-pairs as well. She told me that she also did have to teach some of the girls about their syclus in menstruation as some pinays get surprised every month when something red is showing from their pussy. I guess these things are not much spoken about in phillys.[/QUOTE]Really, every girl I know can tell me the week of the month their period will be, not the day but 1st week etc. What they do not know is when they are fertile, but I think most men would not know either, see image

[QUOTE=Frenzy3;1355133]Really, every girl I know can tell me the week of the month their period will be, not the day but 1st week etc. What they do not know is when they are fertile, but I think most men would not know either, see image[/QUOTE]Agree with your comments, though variability in ovum release a / w/a fairly long life of sperm in utero (up to FIVE days) actually makes the window of fertility a fair amount broader. The only practical advice for birth control is that the only time that is really safe without condom is when it's a full bloody mess. (graphic source: UofCal - Davis)

[QUOTE=David_33;1354867]Don't forget to find out her "period" dates.[/QUOTE]Blood dose not bother me, thats where some extra towels can come handy.

[QUOTE=Tomux 22;1355154]Blood dose not bother me, thats where some extra towels can come handy.[/QUOTE]It the girls who will not sex, they think it is dirty, that they will get sick etc

When I read the last half dozen or posts. It struck me as just a little comedic that on this, of all boards, we are discussing the menstrual cycle. Like I said it is important, but still made me laugh.

We must be doing something right. LOL

[QUOTE=X Man;1355110]Yes, there are some naive people in this world. Mr. Skogis, are you one of them?[/QUOTE]I believe so. Beeing naive comes in handy when executing my greaty hobby. Mongering.

[QUOTE=Ebauche;1354916]Ask when her period is and she'll likely get confused. Ask when her "menses" or "mens" (she might mispronounce) is instead.[/QUOTE]Back in the mid-1980s, in my youth, I took a really cute young girl out of a strip bar (Yeah, they used to get naked). Talking about naive, after my first cream pie, she felt the man cream running down her thigh, and said "Uh, white blood."

On a later trip, I bar fined her again and after a night of bar hopping, hit the sheets. She was almost a natural white tiger and I loved licking her smooth soft pussy. Got up to wash my face and it looked like some one had slit my throat, ear to ear. She had started her period and did not realize it. I got my red wings that night and the extra towels did come in handy. I was in sex prison on Okinawa (USA military) and was not going to let a little blood ruin my holiday.

Slim

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1355499]The only time my carry-on has been weighed was in March on Air Asia coming from Phnom Penh to Bangkok.[/QUOTE]My carry-on and checked bags were weighed last Jan-Feb. In Manila, Davao, London and Frankfurt. I did get past the bag Nazi's in Hong Kong ok. (there are a couple of girls who stand outside security in the HK airport, and check the dimensions (not the weight) of suspect bags. They work for the airport as near as I can figure).

Keep in mind the weight allowance from the US is twice what Intl carriers allow for economy tickets. So a direct flight from LAX to Manila, you can bring lots of gifts, but don't expect to bring that on to Cebu etc without paying.

I am a photographer and use a max-size trolly bag, so it does get attention. I carry about 1kg in batteries in my coat!

[QUOTE=Jambo; 1355938]My carry-on and checked bags were weighed last Jan-Feb. In Manila, Davao, London and Frankfurt. I did get past the bag Nazi's in Hong Kong ok. (there are a couple of girls who stand outside security in the HK airport, and check the dimensions (not the weight) of suspect bags. They work for the airport as near as I can figure).

Keep in mind the weight allowance from the US is twice what Intl carriers allow for economy tickets. So a direct flight from LAX to Manila, you can bring lots of gifts, but don't expect to bring that on to Cebu etc without paying.

I am a photographer and use a max-size trolly bag, so it does get attention. I carry about 1kg in batteries in my coat![/QUOTE]Couldn't a person show that their flight originated in the US, and therefore allowed the higher weight limit? I know I have used that reasoning in US airports before when traveling from another country on business. It always worked for me. But I know the logic is not always the same in other countries.

Cebu Pacific has an efficient cargo terminal in Manila. You can ship parcels much cheaper than paying overweight fees at the checkin counter. Go to cargo 2 hours before your flight; it will go on the same plane.

[QUOTE=Jambo;1355938].Keep in mind the weight allowance from the US is twice what Intl carriers allow for economy tickets. So a direct flight from LAX to Manila, you can bring lots of gifts, but don't expect to bring that on to Cebu etc without paying.[/QUOTE]

I have no love of the large international airlines. Can they design a smaller space for their coach seats? I don't think so, but once in a while they can come through and on those rare occasions I think it should be duly noted.

For late September, I had applied my 65, 000 miles for a free Delta coach roundtrip ticket from Fort Lauderdale to Manila. On the morning of the flight, I arrived at the airport in Ft. Lauderdale at 8:30am with 2 hours to spare before takeoff. I hand the representative my E ticket and wait to be processed, but the representative is taking a very long time to check me in so after a reasonable wait, I ask her if there is a problem and she replies 'YES, there is a problem! ' The Ft. Lauderdale flight to Detroit is going to be 5 hours late and so I will miss my connection to Manila. Shit! The worst thing you want to hear. But wait, she finds an empty seat on the Miami to Detroit flight that will just get me into Detroit with 45 minutes to spare. But the only available seat on the flight is 1st class and I have a little more than an hour to get to MIA to catch the flight. Boom! So she gives me the updated ticket and a voucher for limousine service from FLL to MIA. The limo is waiting for me curbside outside the terminal and off we go. Fortunately the ride down to Miami is smooth and it takes only around 30 minutes. Normally at 9:00am there is still rush hour traffic grid lock on the highway. Only after the MIA Delta check in is over, do I finally start to relax again. I still have 21 hours ahead of me until I arrive in Manila. I enjoyed my first class seat and breakfast. The MIA plane lands in Detroit and I hustle over to the gate of my connecting Manila flight with 20 minutes to boarding to spare. Whew!

I arrived in Manila around 10pm and take a taxi over to the Diamond Hotel. I was physically tired, but definitely not sleepy. I walked over to MBC, met a friendly Filipina, and my trip was under way. It felt good to be back in Asia. And I have to nothing but good things to say about Delta. They really came through for me this time.

I will only add, that on the return flight, they had scheduled my ticket through JFK with a 5 hour layover. That is Delta's way of showing you how much they appreciate your business and using Miles to purchase roundtrip international flights. After I arrived in JFK and went through customs, I went straight to the Delta counter and asked if there were seats available on an earlier flight to FLL. Sure enough they had plenty of seats on the next flight leaving in 45 minutes, but I had to pay $50 to make the change. What the fuck, the plane was 30% empty. But it was worth it to pay up in order to arrive back home 4 hours early.

A last note: to those who complain about Manila International, JFK is just as bad or worse because we have no excuse. What a mess. Compare JFK or MIA to Changi Airport. I think it is indicative of where the USA is heading.

[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder;1356030]Couldn't a person show that their flight originated in the US, and therefore allowed the higher weight limit? I know I have used that reasoning in US airports before when traveling from another country on business. It always worked for me. But I know the logic is not always the same in other countries.[/QUOTE]Are you kidding? I don't think a word for "logic" exists in the Philippines, nor the concept.

A last note: to those who complain about Manila International, JFK is just as bad or worse because we have no excuse. What a mess. Compare JFK or MIA to Changi Airport. I think it is indicative of where the USA is heading.[/QUOTE]To Natty.

I don't think JFK is nearly as bad as NAIA I don't think any major airport is worst in the world, JFK is under remodeling so it is a mess but I agree Changi and HKIA is the best airport in Asia by far.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Radical Guy;1356464]Are you kidding? I don't think a word for "logic" exists in the Philippines, nor the concept.[/QUOTE]Nor honesty, at least 75% of the time when you are dealing with an individual one on one, and highly inclusive in that statement are business people.

[QUOTE=Radical Guy;1356464]Are you kidding? I don't think a word for "logic" exists in the Philippines, nor the concept.[/QUOTE]I would add understanding 'sarcasm' to that list LOL.

99% when you are pissed off and make a nasty comment, the reaction is totally opposite. Like the time you pick up a woman on rags and annoyed you tell her that she has completed your night out- the answer will be "I know you are a good man. God will reward you." etc. Etc.

Or the time I was asking if I am eligible for a gift, for a temporary travel insurance cover, the answer came back as "if your purchase exceeds 60$, and if you meet the terms and conditions, and subject to availability, you maybe given the gift." or something like that.

I replied "so you are telling me that I may or may not get it, so it is not worth it to buy the insurance or not, or rather, in simple words, most likely I would not be able to get the gift. So I should look for alternate and not even think of the incentive of the gift."

The answer?"dear sir, thank you for understanding, and we are very happy to continue to service your account. Please proceed to our purchase site to buy the insurance cover."

I give up.

[QUOTE=Hairy Wonder;1356030]Couldn't a person show that their flight originated in the US, and therefore allowed the higher weight limit? I know I have used that reasoning in US airports before when traveling from another country on business. It always worked for me. But I know the logic is not always the same in other countries.[/QUOTE]Most probably if all your flight legs are on the same ticket.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48;1356507]A last note: to those who complain about Manila International, JFK is just as bad or worse because we have no excuse. What a mess. Compare JFK or MIA to Changi Airport. I think it is indicative of where the USA is heading.[/QUOTE]To Natty.

I don't think JFK is nearly as bad as NAIA I don't think any major airport is worst in the world, JFK is under remodeling so it is a mess but I agree Changi and HKIA is the best airport in Asia by far.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]I agree totaly that NAIA is bad bud if I think this is in a 3 world country and I am here to fuck I don't mind that much. JFK and not to mention CDG (Paris) are in indistrialised countries and are terrible (CDG by far worst and I have started to fly LCC into Orly to avoid CDG). And my business is not fucking when I go there.

Manny Pacquiao is knocked out and I mean knocked out HARD. Wow!

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1358364]Manny Pacquiao is knocked out and I mean knocked out HARD. Wow![/QUOTE]A Congressman under attack from constituents because of his poor attendance record in Congress, a rock singer with questionable talent, and a boxer getting a little long in the tooth. When you have too much going on it gets hard to know where the next punch is coming from.

[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1358674]A Congressman under attack from constituents because of his poor attendance record in Congress, a rock singer with questionable talent, and a boxer getting a little long in the tooth. When you have too much going on it gets hard to know where the next punch is coming from.[/QUOTE]Well, look at the bright side. He is diversified LOL.

So if his boxing goes south, he can always get residual income from his singing.

Now, you don't in PH do you? You didn't know that 9 out of 10 popularities in PH take up singing, including and not restricted to Estrada (ya, he was an actor.) Imelda, JPE. And more. Whether they make money or not is different.

And when PacMan became popular, guess what his mother said as her dream? Become a Singapore, and a singer she did become. Dressed in Skimpy outfits, when she was in Singapore. Man, lucky I didn't pay to see the old Dame Croon out Loud. But the Filipino community was super-thrilled. And were weeping at her songs.

[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1359158][SNIP]It occurs to me that the dynastic structures in the Philippines create a gene pool of very attractive women in social circles that nobody in this forum will ever get to know as anything more than acquaintances.[/QUOTE]There are more than a few senior members here who mingle in higher Philippine social circles, and have contacts that extend into the realm of politics, entertainment and philippine conglomerate businesses. We just choose not to brag about it on a mongering website for obvious reasons. As a foreigner (IE outsider) getting involved with a hi-so woman is the best way to get into trouble, deported or MIA. Stay away from the hi-so women and date slightly down the food chain. That will ensure you don't step on any toes and fly under the radar.

Up to you.

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88;1359327]Stay away from the hi-so women and date slightly down the food chain. That will ensure you don't step on any toes and fly under the radar.[/QUOTE]I agree, but some of them are relaxed. I had two girl from families that have streets and buildings named after them, and I am still 100% cool with these girls. But then again I never treat any of the girls like shit really. One bisexual guy from another major clan wanted to "try something big" but I declined politely."Original families" they sometimes call themselves in the south where I hangout. That basically means that they kicked the shit out of the ones that where even more original and now owns a lot of land and property that they can collect rent from and do nothing of value but to compare handbags and cars.

It is all about common sense, timing and respect, and you will be fine to fuck also these females. If you can or bother to catch them that is, because the game of qualifying will be up a few notches for sure, and a pussy is still a pussy at the end of the day.

B.

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88;1359327]As a foreigner (IE outsider) getting involved with a hi-so woman is the best way to get into trouble, deported or MIA. Stay away from the hi-so women and date slightly down the food chain. That will ensure you don't step on any toes and fly under the radar. Up to you.[/QUOTE]You're adding two and two and getting five. I was a guest at this family's home, nothing more. Don't people do that anymore? But if others interpret this as Stroker did, and somebody can tell me how to remove it after it's too late to edit, I will gladly do so. Feel free to pm me.

[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1359412]You're adding two and two and getting five. I was a guest at this family's home, nothing more. Don't people do that anymore? But if others interpret this as Stroker did, and somebody can tell me how to remove it after it's too late to edit, I will gladly do so. Feel free to pm me.[/QUOTE]I think you missed the comments that a few of us posted here a month or so ago Skip about NOT using names of prominent Filipino personalities in posts, either to "name-drop" and so boost your own cred, or to criticize their actions.

It will probably not put you in any "danger" but it just draws undue attention to this board. We already know that comments on ISG are monitored by "outside sources", and some of these VIPs are VERY sensitive about anything negative said about them and they have the means to respond.

Not flaming you; just saying as a reminder because you spend a lot of time here too.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1359512]It will probably not put you in any "danger" but it just draws undue attention to this board. We already know that comments on ISG are monitored by "outside sources", and some of these VIPs are VERY sensitive about anything negative said about them and they have the means to respond.

Not flaming you; just saying as a reminder because you spend a lot of time here too.[/QUOTE]Gee, for a moment I was wondering if somebody's going to do a Filipino threat "I will make you disappear."

LOL.

Of course, some people do go MIA, but not the extent like the majority go about boasting.

And the higher your connection is, the safer you are (not safe, just safer.)

Of course, the lower in the food chain. The people you are talking to are. The chance of a hit is higher, and that is my experience. They just don't care. Just kill the bastard is their style. Even for stuff like hurting the pinoy pride. Regardless it was a joke, sarcasm, or the statement is meant to be real and reflect of the dumbness of the person involved.

Hence my aversion to keep my senses very sharp when meeting those of lower level, and refusing to get drawn into any discussion, whether it is about Flor Contemplacion or about the RH bill, as a couple of wrong words can trigger a totally irrationally wrong response. Which doesn't happen with the people higher up in the food chain, and the latter are pretty open about the state of affairs, and don't mind doing some soul searching with a foreigner.

Yes, I do have some connection, but I am pretty pretty pretty careful to even mention them, even to natives,

Like an acquaintance who met me last week, whose cousin is in a govt agency and was boasting loudly about his power up the ladder. I didn't even mention to him that my good friend's first cousin is further, further up the ladder in the same organisation. And was in a position to even kick this fellow out.

All that. Due to my years of experience figuring out Filipinos.

Preserve silence, if you want to save your skin.

Enjoy LOL:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=xxVg2GiQPv0&feature=fvwp[/url]

[QUOTE=Noddy; 1359721]Enjoy LOL:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=xxVg2GiQPv0&feature=fvwp[/url][/QUOTE]I would not want his sister to do a BJ on me:

I am planning to take a small plane from Florida and island hop the Bahamas for 7. 10 days. ISG reports that P4P is virtually non-existent in the Bahamas and I got this idea.

I know it is virtually impossible to bring a girl to America for a vacation.

Is it possible to have her fly to the Bahamas and spend a week in the Caribbean?

According to the Bahamas website: To enter The Bahamas, citizens from countries other than the USA and Canada are required to present a valid passport and some countries are also required to have a Bahamas visa. Philippine citizens are required to have a visa. The visa application is simple and straightforward.

Cost for the visa is $55. 00.

Thanks for any info or help.

Bob

[QUOTE=Towelboy2010; 1363496]I am planning to take a small plane from Florida and island hop the Bahamas for 7. 10 days. ISG reports that P4P is virtually non-existent in the Bahamas and I got this idea.

I know it is virtually impossible to bring a girl to America for a vacation.

Is it possible to have her fly to the Bahamas and spend a week in the Caribbean?

According to the Bahamas website: To enter The Bahamas, citizens from countries other than the USA and Canada are required to present a valid passport and some countries are also required to have a Bahamas visa. Philippine citizens are required to have a visa. The visa application is simple and straightforward.

Cost for the visa is $55. 00.

Thanks for any info or help.

Bob[/QUOTE]Is this your wife, GF, fiance nurse in Singapore, Cherry Blossom GF or other fiance? I took a look at your post history and at one point or other you have informed the forum that you were married or were serious to marry all of them. You either really get around or have never been off the sofa.

At one point you claimed to have visited AC 4 times then later on it was 3 times. Whatever. Another time you were ready to send some chatmate alot of cash for a "visa" so she could come be with you, that is before someone talked some sense into you and instructed you to tell your chatmate to provide a copy of her passport ect ect. I wonder what kind of situation some filipina chatmate has talked you into this time?

You seem focused on the $55bucks, but what about the $2000+USD in airfare you will have to dish out? 2k for 7-10 days is ALOT to spend on filipina pussy, but whatever it's your money.

You forget one problem. No direct Manila- Nassau flights. She will have to connect somewhere. Most likely through Mexico or Latin America to avoid extra headaches connecting through USA and that will cost you more cash and headaches.

She also needs to attend a one day overseas worker seminar and get the sticker-seal in her passport. No sticker no departure and the centers are closed until January. The seminar includes a one-on-one interview and once she tells them she is going to go to the Bahamas for 10 days with some USA gent she met on the internet alarm bells will go off and she might not be allowed to leave. She also has to have a valid reason to be leaving Asia like OFW or student ect. She also has to pay her travel tax in Manila before departure, and have enough cash on her to prove up her story. That's alot of crap to go through.

If you have your heart set on a P4P travel companion this Christmas I would suggest you go to a closer pool of P4P talent like the DR or CR and find one. Once again it's up to you.

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88;1363569]She also needs to attend a one day overseas worker seminar and get the sticker-seal in her passport. No sticker no departure and the centers are closed until January. The seminar includes a one-on-one interview .[/QUOTE]Tend to agree with SA except the above, take my lady away a lot and she has never had the above which IMHO is for those genuinely leaving PI for work. Is a rip off and a waste of time according to the many who have been forced to attend it. We have been all over Asia (maybe this is why?) but as she has a return ticket and is a vacation why ask.

Similar blogs elsewhere show the confusion on this.

For all that hassle and expense, I'd write both her and the trip off and head down to DR by myself and do what I used to do when I used to have my home there.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1363621]Tend to agree with SA except the above, take my lady away a lot and she has never had the above which IMHO is for those genuinely leaving PI for work. Is a rip off and a waste of time according to the many who have been forced to attend it. We have been all over Asia (maybe this is why?) but as she has a return ticket and is a vacation why ask.[/QUOTE]The difference in all this WR is that your lady travels WITH YOU.

Any single woman leaving the Philippines alone for whatever reason will be subjected to a thorough grilling, with a good chance of her being delayed long enough to miss her flight.

My friend in BOI said that there are lots and lots of predators on the internet luring single girls abroad on the promise of jobs that turn out to be trafficking scams and the BOI is now very gun shy about letting women go unless they have a good proven reason and a fistful of cash to show they can support themselves if things go belly up.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1363621]Tend to agree with SA except the above, take my lady away a lot and she has never had the above which IMHO is for those genuinely leaving PI for work. Is a rip off and a waste of time according to the many who have been forced to attend it. We have been all over Asia (maybe this is why?) but as she has a return ticket and is a vacation why ask.

Similar blogs elsewhere show the confusion on this.[/QUOTE]WR,

Yes as RK mentioned, you travel with your lady-friend and you travel within Asia for pleasure (big grin) aka tourist visa. Two things that make a CFO sticker not necessary in your case because tourist travel by filipinos within SE Asia for the most part do not require a CFO sticker (travel to mainland China for pure filipinos require CFO and advance Chinese visa acceptance).

Travelling outside the Philippines for work of any kind (IE- documented OFW contract) will require the CFO sticker. Also the guy plans to "fly her in" so she will be travelling alone on a transcontinental flight on a tourist visa to a destination outside Asia, this requires a CFO sticker for the average Filipino. I know a few hi-so filipinos (lawyers, doctors, ect) who do not bother to get the CFO sticker and are still allowed to travel. In the case of one lawyer he just made a call and the CFO instructor visited his office to stamp his passport. No seminar needed, just php.

IMO I think the CFO course and sticker program is a positive thing. Yes it can be looked upon as just another money grab, but it's main purpose is to inform filipinos on their rights and the laws outside of the Philippines. A very high percentage of OFW workers have never left there province, let alone the country. How will they react to western ways, how will they cope when forced to work for less pay than they were promised? At the very least it provides the workers with a set of numbers and OFW offices abroad to help them in an emergency or when the 'job' they were hired to do turns sour. Most of that info might go over their head but at least they offer it.

During the one-day seminar the instructors will talk about problems that happened to previous OFW's. That's the part that most locals will remember and focus on, because if a story was told to them directly by a person in authority then it must be true. The benefits out weigh the negatives.

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88; 1363736]WR,

IMO I think the CFO course and sticker program is a positive thing. Yes it can be looked upon as just another money grab, but it's main purpose is to inform filipinos on their rights and the laws outside of the Philippines. A very high percentage of OFW workers have never left there province, let alone the country. How will they react to western ways, how will they cope when forced to work for less pay than they were promised? At the very least it provides the workers with a set of numbers and OFW offices abroad to help them in an emergency or when the 'job' they were hired to do turns sour. Most of that info might go over their head but at least they offer it.

During the one-day seminar the instructors will talk about problems that happened to previous OFW's. That's the part that most locals will remember and focus on, because if a story was told to them directly by a person in authority then it must be true. The benefits out weigh the negatives.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1363657]The difference in all this WR is that your lady travels WITH YOU.

My friend in BOI said that there are lots and lots of predators on the internet luring single girls abroad on the promise of jobs that turn out to be trafficking scams and the BOI is now very gun shy about letting women go unless they have a good proven reason and a fistful of cash to show they can support themselves if things go belly up.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I knew there had to be another reason as it was not just my amenable way, friendly smile and huge frame that did it LOL. Even when I am with her she is questioned as if she will be naughty with this amenable innocent white guy! As if.

Last time I intervened the questioning and pointed out that all the details being asked were on the screen in front of her so why look through the passport and mutter.

Any OFW has to attend the seminars but I still think is a waste although I understand the reasons-your example of the lawyer signifies for me the ridiculous way this is administered as even so called clever lawyers have found themselves in grief in foriegn countries. If they really listened to what was said, many would not find themselves in a bad way in a foreign country and too 'ashamed' to tell their families back home as they would not go. Just visit POLO in Abu Dhabi and see the number of runaways who are camped there waiting to leave to realise that cash considerations / family pressure outweighs all the risks etc that these seminars claim to tlak about

[QUOTE=Towelboy2010; 1363496]I am planning to take a small plane from Florida and island hop the Bahamas for 7. 10 days. ISG reports that P4P is virtually non-existent in the Bahamas and I got this idea.

I know it is virtually impossible to bring a girl to America for a vacation.

Is it possible to have her fly to the Bahamas and spend a week in the Caribbean?[/QUOTE]Come on man. You have posted this same thing in the Brazil thread, the Colombia thread, and who knows how many other threads. Is it that crucial? If you are ballin like that it should be easy to find any chick where you live that would be glad to make the trip with you and give you all the pussy you want.

Let's just say if you were to get someone from Asia to go to the Bahamas with you then more than likely they will have to step on US or Mexican soil so they would need some kind of transit visa for those countries as well.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1363900]Come on man. You have posted this same thing in the Brazil thread, the Colombia thread, and who knows how many other threads. Is it that crucial? If you are ballin like that it should be easy to find any chick where you live that would be glad to make the trip with you and give you all the pussy you want.

Let's just say if you were to get someone from Asia to go to the Bahamas with you then more than likely they will have to step on US or Mexican soil so they would need some kind of transit visa for those countries as well.[/QUOTE]Wow, that is LOL news! With these recent developments taken into account, it seems towelboy is looking more for a throw-away drug mule and he could care less about pussy. Towelboy I know you're reading this LOL so why not use your local Craigs List to find a woman who will be your Bahama beach toy. Much easier and you can meet and screen the women in advance and it's totally free. Perfect for your champagne taste on a budweiser budget.

You want to really laugh, back in 2011 towelboy posted that he wanted to get together for his bachelor party at MBC with any ISG guys. It's cool to meet other ISG guys but prehaps towelboy was looking for someone to buy him drinks and pay for his pussy. Tisk tisk what happened that time?

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2237-Travel-Announcements-Only-&p=1134973#post1134973[/url]

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1363880]Agreed. I knew there had to be another reason as it was not just my amenable way, friendly smile and huge frame that did it LOL. Even when I am with her she is questioned as if she will be naughty with this amenable innocent white guy! As if. [SNIP][/quote]

WR,

If it wasn't for the fact she had on a skin-tight dress, no knickers, a little rexona bottle in a very naughty place and a wireless vibe in her money maker, was a wee bit of a tip off that you have a very naughty mind. You might have just blown your cover when you asked the female security guard to push the third button on the remote over and over.

They wanted to keep talking to her to see what would fall on the floor first. <<<BIG GRIN SMILEY>>>...

Happy Holidays.

Does anyone have a theory (or even an explanation) for the weird pinoy custom of inserting the letter "h" into so many words.

Names on DIA such as "Lovemhe" and "youaremhine"

They give their names as Jhen, Jho, Jhoanne, Wheng, Lhiza, etc etc.

Even teachers pronounce "Superintendents" as "Shhuperintendents".

It's a bit irritating. I usually ignore it and spell their name without the "h" and they never say anything. Seems to be an affectation.

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88; 1363923]WR,

If it wasn't for the fact she had on a skin-tight dress, no knickers, a little rexona bottle in a very naughty place and a wireless vibe in her money maker, was a wee bit of a tip off that you have a very naughty mind. You might have just blown your cover when you asked the female security guard to push the third button on the remote over and over.

They wanted to keep talking to her to see what would fall on the floor first. <<<BIG GRIN SMILEY .

Happy Holidays.[/QUOTE]LOL.

The only item you missed is her bra with holes to expose her nipples through the thin material, so yummy and trust me she has done this but not at immigration yet! Nothing falls out as it is ever so tight there. Another amazing fact about many pinays!

Had a vibe egg inserted in another cutie and asked the waitress to play with the remote. Lovely experience and the pinay watress finally twigged and was interested.

Am a simple educator who as yet is not recognised by the Philipines education department LOL

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1364660]Does anyone have a theory (or even an explanation) for the weird pinoy custom of inserting the letter "h" into so many words.

Names on DIA such as "Lovemhe" and "youaremhine"

They give their names as Jhen, Jho, Jhoanne, Wheng, Lhiza, etc etc.

Even teachers pronounce "Superintendents" as "Shhuperintendents".

It's a bit irritating. I usually ignore it and spell their name without the "h" and they never say anything. Seems to be an affectation.[/QUOTE]Something to do with the Spanish Influence.

Like the place in Singapore, Mutiara. None of the pinays can read is as such, all end up getting lost, when I invite them over. As they tell the taxi driver MUCHIARA. Oh why can't it be MUTIARA. As written?

Is this a spelling question? I do notice a glottal stop after "O" when they say "OK". I haven't really give much thought to the language, but since I spend so much time in the Philipines, maybe I should start learning more. Of course most of us already know that many Filipinos cannot pronounce the "f", which is always evident when they say,"puck you, go back to your country." LOL.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1364660]Does anyone have a theory (or even an explanation) for the weird pinoy custom of inserting the letter "h" into so many words.

Names on DIA such as "Lovemhe" and "youaremhine"

They give their names as Jhen, Jho, Jhoanne, Wheng, Lhiza, etc etc.

Even teachers pronounce "Superintendents" as "Shhuperintendents".

It's a bit irritating. I usually ignore it and spell their name without the "h" and they never say anything. Seems to be an affectation.[/QUOTE]

[quote=x man;1364986]is this a spelling question? i do notice a glottal stop after "o" when they say "ok". i haven't really give much thought to the language, but since i spend so much time in the philipines, maybe i should start learning more. of course most of us already know that many filipinos cannot pronounce the "f", which is always evident when they say,"puck you, go back to your country." lol.[/quote]pucking poreigner piece of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url]!

[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1364660]Does anyone have a theory (or even an explanation) for the weird pinoy custom of inserting the letter "h" into so many words.[/QUOTE]My favorite is et chetera (for et cetera). There's probably some quirky historical explanation. I presume English was first pushed on most Pinoys when Americans started introducing religious-affiliated (mostly protestant) elementary schools in the Phils in the early 20th Century. The Spanish, in contrast, had offered up education (through Catholic venues) to a very limited number of Filipinos-essentially those that became the family dynasties. So perhaps the "h" emphasis was introduced as an affectation by some snobbish American protestant women, who never bothered to clarify that it was an affectation. Obviously a guess on my part.

I suspect there's no point asking Filipinos, even the well-educated ones. It's probably so tacitly embedded that they have no recall about it, or it was introduced long before any of them were born. It's like the "fall in line" signs in public buildings, pharmacies, and so on. I've asked many Filipinos where that expression came from, but nobody remembers. When I suggest that it may have been introduced by GIs handing out relief supplies in the aftermath of WWII (the military is the only other place I've heard it) , they agree that it's a plausible explanation. So the "h" thing probably began as a similar idiosyncrasy.

[QUOTE=X Man;1364986]I do notice a glottal stop after "O" when they say "OK".[/QUOTE]Maybe they think there's an implied "yes" in okay, so that it needs the same glottal stop as in opo or oho in Tagalog.

[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1365025]It's like the "fall in line" signs in public buildings, pharmacies, and so on.[/QUOTE]I had always assumed that this was an Americanism for the favourite hobby of the British i.e queuing. We lead the world in forming an orderly line. It does sound, however, as if it had its origins in the military.

Other quaint and idiosyncratic Filipino ways of contorting the Queens English include.

My least favourite which has me grinding my teeth is open and shut the light. I've spent twenty odd years trying to teach 'her indoors' and she still insists on telling me to shut the light.

Prijidaire. WTF, it took me a little while to work out this was a fridge. Alternatively the term 'ref' had me constantly looking around for a man in black with a whistle in his mouth.

Go Ahead for leave first. Even I say this now.

And I have never felt comfortable in one of their Comfort Rooms (CRs). When I first came here and saw that term, I was expecting a plush room with throw cushions on the floor and softly piped musak. Instead I found a dirty, grotty, squalid room that I could barely squeeze into with bijou [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] stains, seatless toilet and a basin hanging off the wall. What is comfortable about that? Could it have anything to do with what the Japs in WW2 called those they forced into prostitution to service the soldiers?

[QUOTE=Skip Kost; 1365025]. So perhaps the "h" emphasis was introduced as an affectation by some snobbish American protestant women, who never bothered to clarify that it was an affectation. Obviously a guess on my part.

<SNIP

I suspect there's no point asking Filipinos, even the well-educated ones. It's probably so tacitly embedded that they have no recall about it, or it was introduced long before any of them were born.[/QUOTE]Your guess is as good as (or maybe better) than mine Skip.

I have asked numerous women why (or should that be "wy") they insert the "h" and, as expected, they have no idea. It just seems like a good thing to do.

The most recent "Lhiza" has Liza Jane in her passport; a recently met Jhoanne is, as expected, named Joanne in her phassphort (lol).

So the use of the random "h" is very much an affectation with, I suspect, no more sensible explanation other than "I saw someone use it once and I liked it".

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1365058]I had always assumed that this was an Americanism for the favourite hobby of the British I. E queuing. We lead the world in forming an orderly line. It does sound, however, as if it had its origins in the military.

Other quaint and idiosyncratic Filipino ways of contorting the Queens English include.

My least favourite which has me grinding my teeth is open and shut the light. I've spent twenty odd years trying to teach 'her indoors' and she still insists on telling me to shut the light.

Prijidaire. WTF, it took me a little while to work out this was a fridge. Alternatively the term 'ref' had me constantly looking around for a man in black with a whistle in his mouth.

Go Ahead for leave first. Even I say this now.

And I have never felt comfortable in one of their Comfort Rooms (CRs). When I first came here and saw that term, I was expecting a plush room with throw cushions on the floor and softly piped musak. Instead I found a dirty, grotty, squalid room that I could barely squeeze into with bijou [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] stains, seatless toilet and a basin hanging off the wall. What is comfortable about that? Could it have anything to do with what the Japs in WW2 called those they forced into prostitution to service the soldiers?[/QUOTE]And let's not forget to tell the newbies to bring their own toilet paper, because you will NOT find any paper in a stall in the Philippines.

it still throws me off when someone answers me with "awhile" or "in a while" meaning wait a minute.

oh and the only thing worst than the cr you described skip is having a guy walk up behind you when your peeing and attempt to rub your shoulders and then stand at the sink to hand you a paper towel. shit he might as well shake your dick a few times too.

[quote=cunning stunt; 1365058]i had always assumed that this was an americanism for the favourite hobby of the british i. e queuing. we lead the world in forming an orderly line. it does sound, however, as if it had its origins in the military.

other quaint and idiosyncratic filipino ways of contorting the queens english include.

my least favourite which has me grinding my teeth is open and shut the light. i've spent twenty odd years trying to teach 'her indoors' and she still insists on telling me to shut the light.

prijidaire. wtf, it took me a little while to work out this was a fridge. alternatively the term 'ref' had me constantly looking around for a man in black with a whistle in his mouth.

go ahead for leave first. even i say this now.

and i have never felt comfortable in one of their comfort rooms (crs). when i first came here and saw that term, i was expecting a plush room with throw cushions on the floor and softly piped musak. instead i found a dirty, grotty, squalid room that i could barely squeeze into with bijou [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] stains, seatless toilet and a basin hanging off the wall. what is comfortable about that? could it have anything to do with what the japs in ww2 called those they forced into prostitution to service the soldiers?[/quote]

[QUOTE=MrHombre;1365062]And let's not forget to tell the newbies to bring their own toilet paper, because you will NOT find any paper in a stall in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Most of the bigger malls are now using the monster paper roll that is locked to prevent pilfering. Similar to the ones that I saw in most toilets in Australia on my trip back there recently.

If there isn't one in the stall, there may be one beside the sink where you must guess how many metres of paper you will need before you return to your stall for the dump.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1365058]Other quaint and idiosyncratic Filipino ways of contorting the Queens English include.

And I have never felt comfortable in one of their Comfort Rooms (CRs).

Could it have anything to do with what the Japs in WW2 called those they forced into prostitution to service the soldiers?[/QUOTE]Or how about whether event xyz will "push through," meaning, is it actually going to happen despite whatever delays or setbacks stand in the way?

Obviously the comfort stations were not very comfortable for the women. "Three inches" may have prevailed, but the event probably rarely lasted three minutes and never offered up three pesos, let alone 3000. The short duration of the event was probably little consolation, since it only meant the next "customer" arrived that much quicker. One Burmese woman reported doing up to 60 Japanese men in one day. Interestingly, the Japanese have never apologized and continue to insist the women were not coerced into service. This does seem to be a parallel use of the word comfort in CR.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1365069]Most of the bigger malls are now using the monster paper roll that is locked to prevent pilfering.[/QUOTE]And the Ayala chain (and maybe others) has pay toilets in many of its malls. These, of course, have TP. What a neat event it would be to round up a bunch of young radical Filipinos to stage a "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in" at the pay station entrance to one of the CRs.

[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1365356]Interestingly, the Japanese have never apologized and continue to insist the women were not coerced into service.[/QUOTE]For a purely 'voluntary' service, the comfort girls sure had a high mortality rate. I read somewhere that 3 out of 4 died due to disease, malnutrition and ill treatment. I'm sure that these figures also included a inordinately high suicide rate. It is a national disgrace that the Japanese have never formally admitted and apologised for their vile treatment of women during the war which included a number of Dutch girls captured in what is now Indonesia and forced to service 20-30 Japanese soldiers a day. An unknown number of Filipinas were also kidnapped from their villages and press ganged into whoring for the Japs. I think that, several years ago, the survivors were offered a derisory sum of a few thousand dollars in compensation by the Japanese Government. I imagine that most of them accepted.

Was clicking through my channels yesterday morning and saw an interesting documentation.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRUIJx-02lI[/url]

So be careful with the MILFs, hehe.

[quote=cunning stunt;1365457]for a purely 'voluntary' service, the comfort girls sure had a high mortality rate. i read somewhere that 3 out of 4 died due to disease, malnutrition and ill treatment. i'm sure that these figures also included a inordinately high suicide rate. it is a national disgrace that the japanese have never formally admitted and apologised for their vile treatment of women during the war which included a number of dutch girls captured in what is now indonesia and forced to service 20-30 japanese soldiers a day. an unknown number of filipinas were also kidnapped from their villages and press ganged into whoring for the japs. i think that, several years ago, the survivors were offered a derisory sum of a few thousand dollars in compensation by the japanese government. i imagine that most of them accepted.[/quote]the japanese army was the nastiest marching army before or since. for a primer, try iris chang's "the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] of nanking." the japanese army committed these kinds of attrocities in hundreds of cities across asia, as far south as indonesia. they've never apologized for much of anything.

[quote=westcoast1;1365604]the japanese army was the nastiest marching army before or since. for a primer, try iris chang's "the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] of nanking." the japanese army committed these kinds of attrocities in hundreds of cities across asia, as far south as indonesia. they've never apologized for much of anything.[/quote]to west coast

the japanese have no shame they want to rule the world and think they still do, remember the zhu hai china japanese orgy that happen on 72 anniversary start of japan occupy china in 1931.

[url]http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-12/17/content_291296.htm[/url]

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Well just walked through Mall of Asia. I often wondered about which is more desireable, Thai or Filipina.

As the leading providers of sex in Asia, which of the two is better. I'm sure it's a matter of personal preferance,

But having walked through this huge mall, I still felt like I"m in a Wal-Mart.

I have just walked past hundreds of women and I didn't feel particularly attracted to ANY of them?

It seems to me that these women (in the capitol city of the country) have NO sense of style or individual.

Personality. It is a cookie cutter mindset passed on mother to daughter.

Endless numbers of women with straight hair, in old jeans and sandals, no makeup, (welcome to the 3rd world).

I have to say I did not feel quite this way in MBK in BKK.

But things are quite the opposite in bed. Pinays are very sexy naked, and that they speak English and connect.

With you on a personal level is phuking outstanding. They are very sweet naturally, and just want a good man.

Thai women for me have been pretty mechanical in bed and don't have any passion.

In looks I would say Thai, but who cares about the box on Christmas. I will show my friends the Thai girls pic,

But enjoy personally the Filipina in bed. Just my. 02 cent.

[QUOTE=Naked Gunz; 1366410]Well just walked through Mall of Asia. I often wondered about which is more desireable, Thai or Filipina.

As the leading providers of sex in Asia, which of the two is better. I'm sure it's a matter of personal preferance,

But having walked through this huge mall, I still felt like I"m in a Wal-Mart.

I have just walked past hundreds of women and I didn't feel particularly attracted to ANY of them?[/QUOTE]Gunz:

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[quote=westcoast1;1365604]the japanese army was the nastiest marching army before or since. for a primer, try iris chang's "the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] of nanking." the japanese army committed these kinds of attrocities in hundreds of cities across asia, as far south as indonesia. they've never apologized for much of anything.[/quote]i read a story a while ago that quoted a member of the japanese army in china during wwii. he said that the standard procedure with every new town or village was to kill all of the men and boys in the town, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] the women they wanted to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and kill the women after the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. then collect all the food and head for the next battle or town. they had no supply lines so depended on taking the food they found wherever they went. of course, with the killing, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and murder too. absolutely pitiful and pitiless.

[quote=mrhombre;1366692]i read a story a while ago that quoted a member of the japanese army in china during wwii. he said that the standard procedure with every new town or village was to kill all of the men and boys in the town, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] the women they wanted to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and kill the women after the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. then collect all the food and head for the next battle or town. they had no supply lines so depended on taking the food they found wherever they went. of course, with the killing, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and murder too. absolutely pitiful and pitiless.[/quote]yes, and now many filipinos don't like americans. my father had nightmares until the day he died of fighting in the philippines during wwii. thankless, begging, cheating, money hungry bastards. but the girls are ok.

[quote=skip kost;1365356]interestingly, the japanese have never apologized and continue to insist the women were not coerced into service.[/quote]really?

wikipedia isn't the most authoritative source, but a quick read turns this up:

[quote]in 1965, the japanese government awarded $364 million to the korean government for all war damages, including the injury done to comfort women. in 1994, the japanese government set up the asian women's fund to distribute additional compensation to south korea, the philippines, taiwan, the netherlands, and indonesia. each survivor was provided with a signed apology from the then prime minister tomiichi murayama, stating "as prime minister of japan, i thus extend anew my most sincere apologies and remorse to all the women who underwent immeasurable and painful experiences and suffered incurable physical and psychological wounds as comfort women."the fund was dissolved on march 31, 2007.

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on january 14, 1992, japanese chief government spokesman koichi kato issued an official apology saying "we cannot deny that the former japanese army played a role" in abducting and detaining the "comfort girls," and "we would like to express our apologies and contrition". three days later on january 17, 1992 at a dinner given by south korean president roh tae woo, the japanese prime minister kiichi miyazawa told his host: " we japanese should first and foremost recall the truth of that tragic period when japanese actions inflicted suffering and sorrow upon your people. we should never forget our feelings of remorse over this. as prime minister of japan, i would like to declare anew my remorse at these deeds and tender my apology to the people of the republic of korea." and apologized again the following day in a speech before south korea's national assembly.[/quote]i don't have a dog in this fight, but i do have an interest in getting the facts before i start using or believing absolutes such as "never". up to you to decide whether the apology and compensation was sufficient.

was the japanese imperial military the most horrific or nastiest one in world history, as someone else has written? i'm pretty sure genghis khan's mongol horde tops japan's. here's a quote: “man's greatest joy is to slay his enemy, plunder his riches, ride his steeds, see the tears of his loved ones and embrace his women.” i recently saw a documentary on discovery or natgeo that stated 1 in 200 of the world's male population is a direct descendent of genghis khan. in asia it's 8% of all males.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1365069]Most of the bigger malls are now using the monster paper roll that is locked to prevent pilfering. Similar to the ones that I saw in most toilets in Australia on my trip back there recently.

If there isn't one in the stall, there may be one beside the sink where you must guess how many metres of paper you will need before you return to your stall for the dump.[/QUOTE]I may have been gone a few months from ISG Philippines, but hwo did the meandering and wordsmithing that we all employ, get us onto the subject of toilet paper? In my many years of ISG Phils, I have of course seen many subjects raised, but toilet paper? Thats a new one. See you in Jan!

[QUOTE=Hutsori; 1366760]Really?

Wikipedia isn't the most authoritative source, but a quick read turns this up:

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do have an interest in getting the facts before I start using or believing absolutes such as "never". Up to you to decide whether the apology and compensation was sufficient.

Was the Japanese Imperial military the most horrific or nastiest one in world history, as someone else has written? I'm pretty sure Genghis Khan's Mongol horde tops Japan's. Here's a quote: 'Man's greatest joy is to slay his enemy, plunder his riches, ride his steeds, see the tears of his loved ones and embrace his women. ' I recently saw a documentary on Discovery or NatGeo that stated 1 in 200 of the world's male population is a direct descendent of Genghis Khan. In Asia it's 8% of all males.[/QUOTE]Hut: Many thanks. Fact replaces everything else. I will PM you.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1366844]Fact replaces everything else.[/QUOTE]Indeed. Absolutes such as "never" or "always" are invariably difficult to defend, and sometimes flat wrong--such as when the author conflates comfort station apologies with apologies over other WWII issues. The situation has unfortunately raised its ugly head again recently. Korea in particular has questioned the sincerity of Japan's apology and compensation.

See, for example: [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/18/forced-prostitution-wartime-japan-korea[/url]

"grievances came to the fore again recently when South Korea's president, Lee Myung-bak, made a politically charged trip to Dokdo – a pair of remote, rocky islands also claimed by Japan, where they are known as Takeshima. The visit was not just intended to demonstrate his country's de facto control over the territory. Lee linked his visit to Tokyo's failure to apologise for the use of sex slaves, and challenged Japan's emperor, Akihito, to issue a mea culpa on the country's behalf."

"in 1993 Yohei Kono, the-then chief cabinet secretary, acknowledged and apologised for the first time for Japan's use of sex slaves during the second world war. Japan refused to directly compensate the women, saying all claims were settled by postwar peace treaties. In 1995 it set up the privately run Asian women's fund, which drew on donations, but many women rejected any redress unless it came directly from the Japanese state. The fund was disbanded in 2007."

There are other current rumblings that "Japan's new (and former) prime minister, Shinzo Abe, and his conservative government may revise Japan's 1993 apology for forcing thousands of women to be sex slaves in the service of Japanese soldiers during World War II."

See: [url]http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/27/will-japan-unapologize-for-comfort-women/[/url]

Just wondering about getting around the country, and the safest, most economical ways to do so. Advice on getting between islands, things to watch for, scams, or even places to avoid during my month long trip. Just looking for general advice from the vets.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1366773]hwo did the meandering and wordsmithing that we all employ, get us onto the subject of toilet paper? In my many years of ISG Phils, I have of course seen many subjects raised, but toilet paper? Thats a new one.[/QUOTE]I think I recall a post or two in the past recommending newbies to plan for carrying TP in the Phils, given that it's often not available in CRs in malls, bars, and eateries.

To the extent that ISG can offer information for newbies, there is a long list of "general advice" issues that sometimes percolate to the surface of this thread and others. They include: CRs and TP, what not to eat, where to eat and where not to eat, cell phone and internet issues, how to deal with taxi drivers, tipping in business establishments, getting medicine over the counter at pharmacies, how and where to carry (or safeguard) money and valuables, dealing with the various touts, hawkers, beggars, and overly-friendly Filipino strangers, parts of the city to avoid, dealing with mass transportation, travel around the country, how to dress, a few basics of Tagalog or Cebuano, entertainment venues, and so on. I'm guilty of causing some meanders, but in the end there's a lot of useful information in the forum for newbies willing to RTFF. And as M69 shows, sometimes there is still not enough on some topics.

[QUOTE=Mongerman69;1366901]Just wondering about getting around the country, and the safest, most economical ways to do so. Advice on getting between islands, things to watch for, scams, or even places to avoid during my month long trip. Just looking for general advice from the vets.[/QUOTE]Some general advice:

If you buy well in advance and plan to travel very light, it's worth shopping Cebu Pacific, Philippine Air and others for economical airfares between various destinations. Read the fine print on the bargain prices.

Buses and ferries are the most practical modes of travel between some destinations, but both can eat up a lot of time from a short stay in the Phils. Air conditioned buses have reasonably comfortable seats but may get very crowded. Non-air conditioned buses, in addition to getting very hot, often have hard seats. Route information and station locations can often be found online.

Unfortunately, the best travel between particular destinations is often particularistic, and ISGers are unlikely to lay out the various details when you ask such a general question. Lonely Planet and other similar travel guides, as long as you get a current guide, are usually pretty good on travel information and touristy sites. They make snide remarks about monger activities, so just ignore these and use them for what they do well.

[QUOTE=Mongerman69;1366901]Just wondering about getting around the country, and the safest, most economical ways to do so. Advice on getting between islands, things to watch for, scams, or even places to avoid during my month long trip. Just looking for general advice from the vets.[/QUOTE]You mentioned month long trip. If you will be entering the Philippines without a visa you will be issued a free tourist visa good for 21 days not including your arrival day. Please note that you will need a visa extension if you will stay longer than 21 days. You can visit any BI office to get the extension. Cost 3030php. Wear long pants, closed toe shoes and a shirt with a collar, like a golf shirt. Although a clean t-shirt will do so long as it's not a wife beater. No shorts, no flip-flops or sandals, otherwise you might be renting some god-awful clothes or shoes from a local outside the gate.

BI was supposed to extend the 21day tourist visa to 30days sometime in 2012 but as of yet the change has not been implemented. Maybe Jan 1st? But don't hold your breath on that one.

[QUOTE=Hutsori; 1366760]Really?

Wikipedia isn't the most authoritative source, but a quick read turns this up:

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do have an interest in getting the facts before I start using or believing absolutes such as "never". Up to you to decide whether the apology and compensation was sufficient.

Was the Japanese Imperial military the most horrific or nastiest one in world history, as someone else has written? I'm pretty sure Genghis Khan's Mongol horde tops Japan's. Here's a quote: 'Man's greatest joy is to slay his enemy, plunder his riches, ride his steeds, see the tears of his loved ones and embrace his women. ' I recently saw a documentary on Discovery or NatGeo that stated 1 in 200 of the world's male population is a direct descendent of Genghis Khan. In Asia it's 8% of all males.[/QUOTE]Just joined ISG to better plan my return to RP after a 20 year hiatus. Haven't been there since my squadron rotated through NAS Cubi Point in the early 1990s. Visit "Philippines General Info" and the first posts I read are regarding Japan with several grossly uninformed rants about what the Imperial Japanese Army did during WWII how they are the "most horrific and nastiest" ever. Really?

Hutsori (sp) closed the loop on some absurd statements with his very well put together statement above. Japan officially apologizes about every 2-3 years in general or to specific countries, and backs it up with yen in reparations. That is how it has official diplomatic relations with everyone in Asia save North Korea. The calls for apologies every couple of years from some corner of Asia formerly under the Japanese boot has more to do with diplomatic leverage for a particular bi-lateral or multilateral circumstance, as political cover during times of times of economic turmoil, and (as seen recently the East China Sea) as political cover during large dictatorial power turnovers (China).

I will add perspective in addition to Hutsori's (sp) mention of Genghis Khan (look up his descendents Kublai Khan and Tamerlane for some added brutality). Hell, read about the Roman Legions, Khymer Rouge, etc. I could go on and on.

My added perspective is the Philippine-American War (1899-1902).1/9th (estimated 1, 000, 000 of 9, 000, 000) of the Philippine population was killed during the 3 year war, mostly from disease while being locked up in concentration camps created by US Forces to separate rebels from their support. Additionally, there are hundreds of firsthand published reports in US newspapers of entire villages and towns being slaughtered and torched by US Forces. This is a true "black hole" in US history that no one ever mentions. I used to wonder why the Filipinos liked us so much. Must not teach much history there.

To put it in perspective, Philippine casualties during WW2 were approximately 860, 000 (Wikipedia).60, 000 military deaths. 800, 000 civilian related to the war. This is out of a total population in 1945 of 16, 000, 000. That equates to a casualty rate of a little more than 1/20. Far less than 1/9th.

I didn't pull this out of a hat; we read about it the Philippine Insurrection during a portion of Naval War College (I'm a retired Marine Colonel / Naval Aviator) dealing with insurgency. (Although the majority of readings were from the Algerian War of the late 1950s and Vietnam).

Taking how much you all love the RP and some even live there, perhaps you should read some more of the local history. Regards.

[QUOTE=Bakabon23; 1366995]snip. And the first posts I read are regarding Japan with several grossly uninformed rants about what the Imperial Japanese Army did during WII how they are the "most horrific and nastiest" ever. Really?

Snip. Taking how much you all love the RP and some even live there, perhaps you should read some more of the local history.[/QUOTE]Not another crying heart apologist for the Japanese? You are going to be a real useful member of the forum if this cherry post is a guide of what to expect in future. Mind you, it makes a change from the usual stupid, endlessly repeated questions asked by Noobs, which was probably posed and answered on the previous page or two, if they had only bothered to RTFF. Mind you, on reflection, I suspect that you are not a noob.

Comparing the behaviour of the Japanese Imperial Army, in war, to the mongol hordes is appropriate and perhaps not too extreme. Both were vicious, cruel and implacable in war and conquest, to both civilian populations that came under their sway and to combatants that were unlucky enough to be taken by them.

I had an uncle who was captured in Singapore and later used as expendable slave labour on the death railway in Burma. He was one of the lucky ones who survived the experience but it affected his physical and mental health for the rest of his life. He lived till the late eighties, long enough to see the Japanese economic miracle. But he, like most FEPOWs, was ever able to forgive the Japs for what they did to his comrades and himself. He would never have anything made in Japan in his house which was a bloody inconvenience for his wife and family. As far as I know, he never received an apology from the Japanese Government.

War is a nasty business but the Japanese Forces, in war, was a particularly brutal and unforgiving enemy. Even the Nazis treated their POWs better than they did.

Thought it was the British who invented the concentration camp idea in the Boer war? Are you claiming this dubious distinction for the USA?

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88; 1366965]Please note that you will need a visa extension if you will stay longer than 21 days. You can visit any BI office to get the extension. Cost 3030php. Wear long pants, closed toe shoes and a shirt with a collar, like a golf shirt. Although a clean t-shirt will do so long as it's not a wife beater. No shorts, no flip-flops or sandals, otherwise you might be renting some god-awful clothes or shoes from a local outside the gate.

BI was supposed to extend the 21day tourist visa to 30days sometime in 2012 but as of yet the change has not been implemented. Maybe Jan 1st? But don't hold your breath on that one.[/QUOTE]Or you could get the extension at the airport (NAIA) for around 2800 pesos. Go the small office on the left of the foriegn toursit immigration / passport desks and there you can wait for 15 mins and they will provide you a 59 day visa. Much easier than going to a BI office

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger;1367204]Or you could get the extension at the airport (NAIA) for around 2800 pesos. Go the small office on the left of the foriegn toursit immigration / passport desks and there you can wait for 15 mins and they will provide you a 59 day visa. Much easier than going to a BI office[/QUOTE]How do you get to immigration area without holding a boarding pass at NAIA?

Thought it was the British who invented the concentration camp idea in the Boer war? Are you claiming this dubious distinction for the USA?[/QUOTE]Not sure the Americans were the inventors, but the North and South both had POW camps during the Civil War that were pretty ugly. And yes, the Japanese army in WWII was worse than brutal. I had an elderly Dutch neighbor captured in Indonesia that survived many of their camps. He somehow managed to keep his sanity for after the war.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1367305]How do you get to immigration area without holding a boarding pass at NAIA?[/QUOTE]This is as you arrrive Sammon not on the way out.

As you walk towards passport control for foreginers on the left is a small office, pop in there ask the extension, hop out once you have and pass through to baggage reclaim. Easier and much better than queuing up later

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1367380]This is as you arrrive Sammon not on the way out.

As you walk towards passport control for foreginers on the left is a small office, pop in there ask the extension, hop out once you have and pass through to baggage reclaim. Easier and much better than queuing up later[/QUOTE]Rog,

Just to clear up some confusion, what NAIA terminal are you refering to? T1? T2? T3?

On one side of T2 international arrival wing as you come down the stairs there's a small room off to the left, BI passport control straight ahead, on the right side is the connection desk and the loo located under the stairs. On the other side of T2 international arrival wing when you come down the stairs there's no place to go but to the loo located on the left under the stairs and BI passport control straight ahead.

T3 no idea where the BI office is located.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1367305]How do you get to immigration area without holding a boarding pass at NAIA?[/QUOTE]Sam,

Yep Rog was talking about when arriving at NAIA on an international flight and being able to get a 59day visa extention before going through the BI passport control booth.

[QUOTE=Bakabon23; 1366995]My added perspective is the Philippine-American War (1899-1902).1/9th (estimated 1, 000, 000 of 9, 000, 000) of the Philippine population was killed during the 3 year war, mostly from disease while being locked up in concentration camps created by US Forces to separate rebels from their support. Additionally, there are hundreds of firsthand published reports in US newspapers of entire villages and towns being slaughtered and torched by US Forces. This is a true "black hole" in US history that no one ever mentions. I used to wonder why the Filipinos liked us so much. Must not teach much history there.

Taking how much you all love the RP and some even live there, perhaps you should read some more of the local history. Regards.[/QUOTE]The Philippine-American War is a useful comparison. It may help put things in perspective. I am neither Filipino nor an Ex-Pat, but I have read Filipino history written by Filipinos (and Americans). The accounts I have read suggest their were atrocities on both sides, and most acknowledge that the Americans forced civilians into ghetto confinements (ostensibly to "protect" innocent villagers from rebels) and perfected the use of water torture and extracting confessions by hanging suspects up by their thumbs. And reports were written about American forces wiping out entire villages. Some were probably true, but domestic American journalistic sources at the time were not very reliable, since the conversation was widely divided among strident imperialists and anti-imperialists. Both sides employed hand-picked journalists to get out their particular versions of events. War is hell.

The numbers of Filipinos killed in the Phil-Am War is widely disputed. Stanley Karnow, for example, has put the number at 200, 000. Renato Constantino, usually regarded as having written the first Filipino-centric history of the Philippines, similarly cites the figure 200, 000. Other historians have suggested between 200 and 250, 000. An American general, Bell, claimed that one sixth of the population of Luzon alone (about 600, 000) had been killed. Military leaders, of course, have their own agendas to serve in pronouncing enemy casualty counts. The one million number (or even 1. 4 million from another source) was calculated from "estimates" of the population before and after the war. Problem is, it's not clear who conducted either estimate, nor what, if any, methods they used. Other popluation estimates put the population at 6. 7 and 7. 5 million, respectively. But just for perspective, approximately 126,000 Americans served at one time or another in the Phil-Am War. So if 1.4 million Filipinos were killed, that's an average of more than 11 per American soldier. I understand upholding the image of the American fighting man, but this claim is a little beyond belief.

I confess I had never thought of the Naval War College as a primary source for "local" Philippine history.

Why did Filipinos love Americans inspite of these atrocities? Many reasons. Despite tacit racism and thinly veiled self-interests, the Americans did introduce universal primary education and government institutions like those back home. They did promise independence even as the commonwealth government was being instituted, and they followed through on the promise. The 39 or so years under the Americans probably stood in stark contrast to either the Spanish colonizers or the Japanese WWII occupation. A more cynical view, sometimes echoed by Ex-Pats in this forum, is that Filipinos are compliant and loyal people. There's a long history to this that far precedes the American incursion; it includes loyalty to harsh Spanish rulers and Catholic hegemony. Interestingly, the Philippine national martyr, Jose Rizal, believed Filipinos were not ready for self-rule in the late 19th Century, and thus distanced himself from the Katipunan and others (Bonifacio, Aguinaldo, etc.) who espoused violent rebellion. And despite American duplicity in dealings with Aguinaldo and others, many of the Philippine ilustrados (educated elites) actually believed the Americans' initial benevolent intentions. The armed engagement led by Aguinaldo and others against the Americans was hardly a universal sentiment.

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88; 1367390]Rog,

Just to clear up some confusion, what NAIA terminal are you refering to? T1? T2? T3?[/QUOTE]Terminal 1 as this where most of us who arrive in the country enter through.

Am not sure T2 or T3 as when using the latter (as a Cebu Pacific passenger) I never need to get an extension

Well clearly the anti trafficking measures are really working well at manila airport.

Last night in Beijing (was a mere minus 5 for all you short and tshirt clad wimps LOL) I met a 22 year old Filipina who is an ocassional bedmate.

She bought along two friends who were cold, who are also pinay and working in Beijing. One was 18 and one was 19 (they didn't join as bedmates sadly) _.

I asked them how they could get past all the anti trafficking crusaders aka immigration officials.

One of them blithely replied that she had a grandmother working in immigration in Manila airport and she helped them bypass immigration checks.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1367501]Terminal 1 as this where most of us who arrive in the country enter through.

Am not sure T2 or T3 as when using the latter (as a Cebu Pacific passenger) I never need to get an extension[/QUOTE]My last time through Term 3 (Cebu Pacific from Hong Kong) the immigration office had never heard of getting a visa extension on arrival there. 'This was last summer I had posted the news elsewhere, sorry seems I forgot to post it here.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1367501]Terminal 1 as this where most of us who arrive in the country enter through.

Am not sure T2 or T3 as when using the latter (as a Cebu Pacific passenger) I never need to get an extension[/QUOTE]T1 all airlines. Almost.

T2.Philippines Airlines.

T3. Cebu Pac (and Air Phil Express and Zeste. I think.)

I confess I had never thought of the Naval War College as a primary source for "local" Philippine history.

Why did Filipinos love Americans inspite of these atrocities? Many reasons. Despite tacit racism and thinly veiled self-interests, the Americans did introduce universal primary education and government institutions like those back home. They did promise independence even as the commonwealth government was being instituted, and they followed through on the promise. The 39 or so years under the Americans probably stood in stark contrast to either the Spanish colonizers or the Japanese WWII occupation. A more cynical view, sometimes echoed by Ex-Pats in this forum, is that Filipinos are compliant and loyal people. There's a long history to this that far precedes the American incursion; it includes loyalty to harsh Spanish rulers and Catholic hegemony. Interestingly, the Philippine national martyr, Jose Rizal, believed Filipinos were not ready for self-rule in the late 19th Century, and thus distanced himself from the Katipunan and others (Bonifacio, Aguinaldo, etc.) who espoused violent rebellion. And despite American duplicity in dealings with Aguinaldo and others, many of the Philippine ilustrados (educated elites) actually believed the Americans' initial benevolent intentions. The armed engagement led by Aguinaldo and others against the Americans was hardly a universal sentiment.[/QUOTE]Skip Kost,

Thank you for your informed and cogent elaboration on the Philippine-American War. NWC was not a primary source of "local" Philippine history. The course title would be something like "The Evolution of Counter Insurgency Warfare in the 19th and 20th Century". We would be assigned a stack of books to read weekly prior to a round table discussion each Wednesday, followed by a paper due on Friday about some question posed by the facilitator / professor. The reading on the Philippine Insurrection was only a handout as I recall. Maybe 30 printed pages. The 1/9th Philippine casualty rate struck me as shocking as well as the rhetoric coming out of the mouth so US General Officer (to include MacArthur's Father, the initial campaign commander). I remember being struck by how none of us fairly well educated Navy and Marine Officers had anything beyond a skin deep knowledge of the conflict and associated war crimes.

Please kindly recommend a particular book on general Philippine history and on the Philippine Insurrection.

Thank you and regards.

[quote=mrhombre;1367310]thought it was the british who invented the concentration camp idea in the boer war? are you claiming this dubious distinction for the usa?[/quote]not sure the americans were the inventors.[/quote]no, the british army (and the british press) coined the phrase in english, published it in newspapers, added it to doctrinal publications, and scientifically applied it during the boer war. sadly, they didn't "scientifically" enforce sanitation standards nor had antibiotics been invented yet. hence, the horrendous casualties.

no, the concentration camp is not an american invention. unless, you count the enforced concentration and migration into indian reservations (earliest is the cherokee, i think in the 1830s).) the us army in the philippines-american war did not have nearly the "army" of correspondents to accurately report on the goings on. no phrase was used for doctrine as far as i can tell. forcing rep001tered villages in rebel stronghold in order to starve the enemy of food and aid was undertaken by operational orders. as above, sanitation standards were not enforced nor had antibiotics been invented yet. hence, the horrendous casualties.

the concentration camp is the strategic counterinsurgency invention of a prussian (read german) mercenary staff officer (i can't remember his name) serving as an adviser in the spanish army during the ten year war (1860-70s in cuba, i think). their name for the strategy included the term "concentration" in spanish.

so, the dubious title of the inventor and first user of concentration camps in counterinsurgency is the spanish.

regards

[quote=cunning stunt; 1367195]not another crying heart apologist for the japanese?"

where did i say anything in apology for the imperial japanese army. i don't follow how simply refuting erroneous statements ("no apologies","worst ever") leads to someone being an apologist.

"you are going to be a real useful member of the forum if this cherry post is a guide of what to expect in future. mind you, it makes a change from the usual stupid, endlessly repeated questions asked by noobs, which was probably posed and answered on the previous page or two, if they had only bothered to rtff. mind you, on reflection, i suspect that you are not a noob."

it depends on what you define to be a "noob." my first deployment of the pi was in 1991 to nas cubi point; i flew numerous times into clark air base for fuel and lbfm stop. i crossed "shit river bridge" (you don't know what that is, do you?) numerous times before mt pinatubo blew and us forces abandoned our bases there. i've been a "hobbiest" for the last 22 years during multiple deployments overseas during my military career although i have far more time mongering in thailand, korea (wide open in the early 1990s) , and colombia / peru. places us forces had a constant presence during the last 20 years.

"i had an uncle who was captured in singapore and later used as expendable slave labour on the death railway in burma. he was one of the lucky ones who survived the experience but it affected his physical and mental health for the rest of his life. he lived till the late eighties, long enough to see the japanese economic miracle. but he, like most fepows, was ever able to forgive the japs for what they did to his comrades and himself. he would never have anything made in japan in his house which was a bloody inconvenience for his wife and family."

i am sorry to hear about your uncle and his horror filled experiences. hatred no matter how justifiably earned must have been a terrible burden on him throughout his remaining years. it is unfortunate that he never took the steps to work his way toward some form of reconciliation no matter how minor. i suspect he never even made the smallest of attempts to understand his former enemy nor to meet anyone even associated loosely with japan. i don't really see where his "witnessing" the japanese economic miracle has much play in his burden. begrudging a competent, cultured, literate, and organized people their own success speaks more of a continued lifelong attempt to feed and nurture off his own hatred. again, a terrible burden.

"war is a nasty business but the japanese forces, in war, was a particularly brutal and unforgiving enemy."

true statement. not really sure where i denied such. i simply interjected a statistical and historical fact to shake up the paradigm. i suspect it has by the speed of your response. and the lack of response regarding the philippine-american war.

"even the nazis treated their pows better than they did."

this statement is only half true, half false. the germans in the second world war treated "western" pows quite well relatively; americans, british, canadians, free french. they did not treat their soviet pows "better". soviet pow survival rates were actually lower than fepow survival rates. they were used for slave labor, in medical and weapons experiments, starved to death, and simply shot when they outlived their usefulness. on a side note, german pows captured by the red army during the long retreat also had lower survival and repatriation rates than pows of the ija.

you seem to make a habit of calling people names: noob, apologist, jap. it comes off as a response of someone that actually has no response worth positing and has only vignettes to offer as proof. i think you would come off as much more cogent and mature if you stopped using nasty labels to describe people just looking for answers like the rest of us.

i responded to your concentration camp invention comment on a prior post.

regards.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1367501]Terminal 1 as this where most of us who arrive in the country enter through.

Am not sure T2 or T3 as when using the latter (as a Cebu Pacific passenger) I never need to get an extension[/QUOTE]WR,

OK thanks for the supplemental info.

[quote=bakabon23;1368334]not sure the americans were the inventors.[/quote]no, the british army (and the british press) coined the phrase in english, published it in newspapers, added it to doctrinal publications, and scientifically applied it during the boer war. sadly, they didn't "scientifically" enforce sanitation standards nor had antibiotics been invented yet. hence, the horrendous casualties.

no, the concentration camp is not an american invention. unless, you count the enforced concentration and migration into indian reservations (earliest is the cherokee, i think in the 1830s).) the us army in the philippines-american war did not have nearly the "army" of correspondents to accurately report on the goings on. no phrase was used for doctrine as far as i can tell. forcing rep001tered villages in rebel stronghold in order to starve the enemy of food and aid was undertaken by operational orders. as above, sanitation standards were not enforced nor had antibiotics been invented yet. hence, the horrendous casualties.

the concentration camp is the strategic counterinsurgency invention of a prussian (read german) mercenary staff officer (i can't remember his name) serving as an adviser in the spanish army during the ten year war (1860-70s in cuba, i think). their name for the strategy included the term "concentration" in spanish.

so, the dubious title of the inventor and first user of concentration camps in counterinsurgency is the spanish.

regards[/quote][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/weyler[/url]

Traveling the PI in a bit and was worried about withdrawing from an ATM with my Chinese debit card.

Recently my capital one visa card expired and I got a new one issued back in the USA but unfortunately while traveling having had the time to get it from home. So I'm traveling with one of those debit cards for a credit union bank which despite repeated attempts still doesn't seem to work here.

Trying to figure out if anyone has any personal experience on this front even as I'm looking into online forums and asking tourist guides / whatever (I never trust just one source) : Does the China Union Pay work over there in the Philippines?

Note that it says so on many websites, but I'm wondering if anyone has any personal experiences or has seen their logo on the ATMs in the area.

Firstly, let me say that I thought you was another retired senior ex-US army officer who was active on the Thai forum a few years back and recently resurfaced and sent me a PM. It seems an odd coincidence that another member with an almost identical profile should appear but so be it. I guess that fact that you are unable to handle 'quotes' does tend to suggest that you are a new member here.

Apologies for calling you an apologist and a noob. Noob as you may be aware is a slang term for a new member. It can have derogatory connotations, but is also often used for descriptive purposes only, without a value judgment. So it wasn't meant as name calling or as a specific insult. I have always thought it odd that a Japanese person should object to being called a Jap. The British don't object to the term Brit or the Australians to Aussie so why the Japanese to Jap. Of course I know that the reason for this has its roots in the Second World War when everyone called them Japs in a derogatory manner. I would never dream of calling a present day Japanese person a Jap but when referring to their wartime military incarnation, I think it is acceptable.

With regards to my ridiculous statement about the Nazis, I should have engaged my brain before opening my mouth. Of course the Nazis were every bit as bad, if not worse in their treatment of prisoners. Although a signatory to the Geneva convention (which the Japanese were not) , as you said, they only applied its terms to western POWs and not to the much greater number of Slav prisoners who they considered sub-human and therefore expendable.

Regarding my uncle and the countless other FEPOWs who survived the war and were never able to fully able to fully put it behind them. I guess its hard to place yourself in the shoes of such a person and trite to expect them to pull themselves together and come to terms with the experience and forgive and forget. I know that my uncle suffered from vivid and disturbing nightmares right up to the time of his death so the cruelties and privations he endured were always kept fresh in his mind. He, as was the case for many FEPOWs, seldom talked about his experiences and being of a generation that kept a 'stiff, upper lip' they tried to get on with life as best as they were able. These days, we are far more aware of the damaging effects of PTSD and are better able to treat it.

I'll choose to ignore your dig in the last paragraph. I admit that my knowledge of the colonial and post-colonial history of the American Forces in The Philippines is sketchy at best and I will bow to your superior know-how. These days, with help of the internet and a wikapedia mentality, we have all become instant experts.

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[quote=cunning stunt; 1367195]i am sorry to hear about your uncle and his horror filled experiences. hatred no matter how justifiably earned must have been a terrible burden on him throughout his remaining years. it is unfortunate that he never took the steps to work his way toward some form of reconciliation no matter how minor. i suspect he never even made the smallest of attempts to understand his former enemy nor to meet anyone even associated loosely with japan. i don't really see where his "witnessing" the japanese economic miracle has much play in his burden. begrudging a competent, cultured, literate, and organized people their own success speaks more of a continued lifelong attempt to feed and nurture off his own hatred. again, a terrible burden.[/quote]speaking absolute numbers in war crimes tells half the story, but often times the barbarity is what draws the conclusion. illustrated depictions of bayoneting infants, or stacking up prisoners to see how many a. 308 round will go through, beheading contests and the like did not help the japanese propagandizement efforts. nor did murdering thousands administering live biologic agents as unit 731 did in ne china. i think you mentioned "black holes" in american history books wrt to the pi-american war. how many copies of "the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] of nanking" do you think are issued for study at the national defense academy in yokosuka?

no, it's definitely not about just the numbers. even absolute efficacy of genocide, no matter how logical you or your cohort believe bringing up some guy from a thousand odd years ago. i mean really, genghis kahn? if you want to stay in the realm of recent history, perhaps mao tse tung or stalin would get the cup. i'm all for interpreting absolutism of genocide in proportions; maybe a better american example would be the native americans. not a wholesale killing genocide, but thoroughly extinguished an entire culture with a moderation of killing along the way. fits nicely in the black hole model too. twenty congressional medals of honor awarded at wounded knee for killing mostly women and children.

i know war is war, retired us army myself and a twin bro who flew hawkeyes off the forrestal and later the jfk before flying for american. maybe was tapping lbfms at subi same time you were. one of my uncles was in the 1st mardiv in the pacific who corrected me one time when i blasted that the "japs" deserved everything they got when we nuked them. this guy, my uncle, was completely phucked by what he went through said stonely "no, they didn't (deserve the bombing) , but it was the best thing we could do", explaining to his young nephew then how many us land casualties we would have invading japan.

ok, so it seems i'm really meandering here. but even suggesting that someone (who survived what was probably an incomprehensible pow / epw experience) would have been better off "reaching out" and and, what, loving his enemy or something? i get it, you think he might be better off being "rational". but that enface seems at least patronizing and perhaps just asinine. the japanese were arguably the most inhumane occupiers the world has seen. and you almost seem to suggest this guy might stand in judgment for a mild variation of anti-nipponism.

but then, we were talking about sex slaves. or, were we? prime minister shinzo abe has declared the "comfort women" were not enslaved, they were prostitutes. do you think this is a sign of a people sincerely interested in reparation? the japanese are truly great people. the west has had an impeccable alliance with them post wwii. but their behavior during wwii was in many respects a model for institutionalized evil, imho.

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And yet the United States is built on the genocide of the native people, slavery of African people, exploitation of immigrant people and colonies like the Philippines. Oh, and they dropped atomic bombs.

The difference being that the people of Japan seem to have learned their lesson, rejecting en masse any attempts by the government there to rebuild an offensive military force, while the US has gone on to fight in some kind of military adventure at an average rate of one per year since the close of WW2.

And about those concentration camps: the NAZIs molded theirs on the techniques used by the US government to round up the Indians in the previous centuries. This fact is undeniable, since it's revealed in confidential inter-party communication discovered after the war.

I don't blame the people of the US same as they shouldn't blame anyone in Japan. Most know what they were told in told, books and through the media. Same goes for any other country. The biggest loser in any war is the average Joes and Janes who shed blood because some combination of military brass, politicians and board room scum decided their political-economic dispute needed to be resolved physically.

The only answer for those kinds of people, time tested and proven through history, is fraternization between soldiers of opposing camps (as seen in WWI, USSR/Hungary in 56, and some small extent Vietnam) and enlisted men turning their guns on the brass. The guy sending you out to get your face blown off is more of an enemy than some guy you've never so much as seen from the other side of the world.

[QUOTE=Ickywicky; 1368613]Traveling the PI in a bit and was worried about withdrawing from an ATM with my Chinese debit card.

Recently my capital one visa card expired and I got a new one issued back in the USA but unfortunately while traveling having had the time to get it from home. So I'm traveling with one of those debit cards for a credit union bank which despite repeated attempts still doesn't seem to work here.

Trying to figure out if anyone has any personal experience on this front even as I'm looking into online forums and asking tourist guides / whatever (I never trust just one source) : Does the China Union Pay work over there in the Philippines?

Note that it says so on many websites, but I'm wondering if anyone has any personal experiences or has seen their logo on the ATMs in the area.[/QUOTE]I should say that at least mine works.

I have used both a Bank of China and a China Merchants Bank ATM card in Manila. Most ATM's in the places I have been in the Phil's has the Union Pay logo.

One possible hiccup is whether or not your Chinese account was set up for international use. Since RMB is not an international currency, sometimes they want USD on depsosit in China to use for "exchange withdrawls", I haven't encountered this issue, but have friends that had some problems.

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder; 1368888]I should say that at least mine works.

I have used both a Bank of China and a China Merchants Bank ATM card in Manila. Most ATM's in the places I have been in the Phil's has the Union Pay logo.

One possible hiccup is whether or not your Chinese account was set up for international use. Since RMB is not an international currency, sometimes they want USD on depsosit in China to use for "exchange withdrawls", I haven't encountered this issue, but have friends that had some problems.[/QUOTE]Some good info posted by Sky Ryder. I will just add that [b]Bank of China[/b] And [b]China Bank[/b] Are two totally seperate banking institutions.

Bank of China is fully owned by the Chinese Government.

China Bank is a Philippines based bank controlled by Henry Sy and family.

Easy to get the two mixed up.

[QUOTE=Bakabon23;1368328]Please kindly recommend a particular book on general Philippine history and on the Philippine Insurrection.[/QUOTE]Warning: this is a detailed answer to questions about the Phil-Am War; if your primary interest is to find the shortest route to Pinay puki, don't waste your time with this. I would have moved the discussion to the history and politics thread but I'm too lazy to learn how to carry quotes from one thread to another.

I recommend two history books that I have read fairly extensively:

Stanley Karnow (1989). *In our image: America's empire in the Philippines* Ballantine Books. Karnow was a well-established journalist who covered Southeast Asia for many years, including during the Vietnam Conflict. This research was done initially to produce a Public Television series by the same name. The book is much more exhaustive and detailed than the TV series. This is a tome of more than 495 pages in small print. It was written for a 'popular' audience rather than academic historians. It's well organized (IMHO) and very readable. It is particularly detailed on the political backdrop to the Phil-Am war, especially on the American side. It does not present a battle-by-battle account of the war, but it recounts the history of the war from a litany of primary (soldiers' and leaders' communications and original documents) and secondary sources (earlier accounts from journalists and other historians). He does not spare the atrocious details from either side. His coverage of the war includes about 120 pages. I found a used copy through Amazon, and I presume copies are still available.

Renato Constantino (1975). *The Philippines: A past revisited* Self-published in Quezon City. This is a 'Filipino-centric' or 'nationalist' orientation that fills in details from the Philippine side. He argues that most histories of Spanish and American colonialism and the wars against Spain and the United States romanticize the colonial powers, as well as the Church, and under-estimate the extent and duration of Filipino resistance against the colonial powers. His presentation of events is similar to Karnow, but his interpretation of their meaning differs. This book covers from the pre-Spanish period until 1941. A second volume, entitled *The continuing past* covers the period from 1941 until 1965. You will not find these books on Amazon. Look for them in the larger National Book Store locations around Manila. Constantino fought in the WWII Battle of Bataan, escaped, and provided surveillance over the Japanese to pro-American guerillas during the occupation. He served in the Philippine delegation to the U. N. In the late 1940s and later in Philippine government. He taught on the faculties of several Manila area universities and wrote columns for numerous Manila newspapers. He was a leftist critic of Marcos and was placed on house arrest by the regime for several years and forbidden to leave the country. He died in 1999, but I believe his widow (Letizia) , who helped in writing the two historical books, is still alive. Their daughter, Karina, is married to Randy David, a retired UP professor and well-known columnist for the *Philippine Daily Inquirer*

Unfortunately, it is hard to find comprehensive histories that cover the period after the 1986 overthrow of Marcos. One that includes some of this period is Jose Arcilla's (1998) *An introduction to Philippines history* from Ateneo University Press. This is a little 140 page book that provides skimpy detail and definitely romanticizes the American influence and the contributions of the Church. Arcilla is a Jesuit and is or was on the history faculty at Ateneo. Available from outlets such as National Book Stores but not worth the expenditure if you care about details and 'objectivity. '

If you want to dig into greater detail on the Phil-Am war, Karnow provides extensive appendices about other sources. One source that both he and Constantino cite is a five-volume manuscript entitled *Philippine Insurgency* by Captain John R. M. Taylor. I believe these were prepared for United States Senate hearings in 1902 or 1903 as a review of war activities after reports of atrocities from Samar and Batangas showed up in the American press. I found one of the volumes online. It is a record of documents (including communications to and from the Filipino leader Emilio Aguinaldo) and interviews with various participants from the American side. It is a raw primary source, but not organized into a historical narrative.

FWIW, Arthur MacArthur was the third campaign commander, after Wesley Merritt and Elwell Otis.

Thank you Stroker and Ryder.

Which sounds like a pretty hilarious porn duo team name, or a great detectives CSI team.

[QUOTE=Ickywicky; 1369296]Thank you Stroker and Ryder.

Which sounds like a pretty hilarious porn duo team name, or a great detectives CSI team.[/QUOTE]LOL, I will go with the second one thank you very much. No crossing swords for me.

You are welcome.

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Hi Pinoy Guy,

Do you have trouble with reading comprehension?

I don't give a fuck about being political correct.

The reason I deleted your comments is exactly as I stated above: Past discussions in the Forum has repeatedly demonstrated that the subject simply cannot be discussed intelligently, in any form or for any reason, without being misinterpreted and without starting flame wars.

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And for those who believe in All Things Wikipedia.

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2257482/The-war-Wikipedia-fooled-years-Bicholim-Conflict-article-elaborate-4-500-word-hoax.html[/url]

Thought this was interesting and demonstrates the level of corruption in the P. I.

[QUOTE]ATIMONAN, Philippines (AP) — At least three police personnel were among 13 suspected criminals who were gunned down in a shootout with Philippine security forces at a highway checkpoint, officials said Monday.

Gunmen riding in three black SUVs opened fire on more than 50 army and police troopers who flagged down the vehicles late Sunday in the coastal town of Atimonan in Quezon province, about 140 kilometers (90 miles) southeast of Manila.

Eleven suspects died on the spot, including a police colonel who was a regional commander and two other officers, said police spokesman Erwin Obal. Authorities were checking the identities of two other victims on suspicion they were either former or current members of the intelligence service of the Armed Forces of the Philippines, Obal said.

Two gunmen jumped out of one of the cars and fired from a roadside canal, said Lt. Col. Monico Abang, who led an army platoon in the clash. The rest stayed in two vehicles, which troops raked with gunfire on a sparsely populated stretch of the highway.

More gunmen fired from a third vehicle, which turned around and fled, Abang said. Authorities didn't say how many suspects were believed to have escaped.

Security personnel sometimes collude with criminal syndicates to rob banks or traffic narcotics in an underworld that often includes corrupt politicians. Abang said an initial investigation showed that the gunmen were likely members of a gun-for-hire group operating in provinces south of Manila.

"They rolled down their windows and started firing, so we had to retaliate," Abang said by cellphone from the scene of the clash."They were clearly outnumbered and outgunned."

On the side of the security forces, a police colonel was shot in the hand and foot and taken to a hospital.

Abang said the army and police had set up the checkpoint after an informant told police that gunmen involved in illegal drugs, gambling and kidnapping for ransom would pass through Atimonan in mountainous Quezon, where communist guerrillas have a presence.

The latest violence followed two other deadly shootings that have revived calls for tighter gun control in the Philippines, where there are more than half a million unlicensed firearms, according to police estimates.

A man who reportedly was drunk and high on drugs killed eight people before being gunned down by police on Friday in Kawit town in Cavite province. 16 kilometers (10 miles) south of Manila.

A 7-year-old girl died a day after being hit in the head by a stray bullet while watching fireworks with her family on New Year's Eve outside their home in Caloocan city, near Manila, despite a high-profile government campaign against powerful firecrackers and celebratory gunfire by Filipinos to welcome 2013.

Earlier Sunday, before the shootout, presidential spokeswoman Abigail Valte told reporters that President Benigno Aquino III, a known gun enthusiast, would study gun-control proposals with other officials. Among the proposals is a call by anti-gun groups to ban the carrying of firearms by civilians outside their homes.

The proliferation of firearms has long fueled crime, political violence and Muslim and communist rebellions that have raged for decades in parts of the Philippines. Previous attempts by authorities to clamp down on unregistered weapons have yielded few results in a country where several politically powerful clans and families control private armed groups in provincial strongholds outside Manila.

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Associated Press writers Jim Gomez and Teresa Cerojano in Manila contributed to this report.[/QUOTE][url]Http://news.yahoo.com/police-among-13-suspects-slain-philippine-clash-022232708.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Nvslim; 1370257]Thought this was interesting and demonstrates the level of corruption in the P. I.

[url]Http://news.yahoo.com/police-among-13-suspects-slain-philippine-clash-022232708.html[/url][/QUOTE]So. What is new there? LOL.

All Perfectly Normal.

A newl aw recently acme into existence to prevent the unlawful distribution of "sex videos" and unauthorised online posting of same. So yesterday, Inquirer has two stories of people being arrested for posting or threatening to post videos. The law was bought about due to a case 3 years ago when a doctor took movies of him and his babe, and didn't tell her. Later they entered the public domain. So for all you amateur video hobbyists, don't threaten to share your holiday moments of your honey.

[url]http://technology.inquirer.net/20803/man-arrested-for-posting-video-of-sex-with-girlfriend-on-internet[/url]

[url]http://technology.inquirer.net/20358/ex-bfs-threat-to-spread-sex-video-lands-him-in-jail[/url]

And yet sending your small children out into a red light district to beg for money remains no problem. Quite a set of priorities they've got going. Clearly this effects the daughters of the respectable middle and upper classes, so it's more important.

Is it possible to communicate in spanish with the girls / in general? Or how widely is it spoken?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;1372325]Is it possible to communicate in spanish with the girls / in general?[/QUOTE]In general, no. Many more Filipinos speak English than Spanish. There are a few pockets in the country where a type of Spanish-creole dialect (Chavacano) is spoken, but you rarely run into it in mongering areas. There are, of course, many Spanish words in Tagalog and other Filipino languages. That may help you grasp an occasional word, but doesn't mean they will understand you if you speak Spanish. I've been told by call center workers that their companies recruit for both English and Spanish speakers, and pay more for workers who speak both. But the Spanish speakers are much more difficult to recruit. Interestingly, Filipinos often use Spanish numbers, and any given conversation involving quantities and prices may include seamless movement from Filipino to English to Spanish numbers. Just like when they speak Taglish, they seem unaware they're using multiple languages. Their written forms of Spanish numbers often look odd because modern Filipino contains no c, q, or v, so they substitute other letter combinations to create approximately the same sound.

I agree with everything skip wrote, I called my girl Mi Amor. She did not know what it meant. We went to bohol on the river cruise a church group was singing a song called mi amor something. No knew the thing was spanish. In manila my nephews wife called the CR bano. I said that is spanish. She correted me and said it is tagalog. I know it is strange. But skip is right on so many fronts. I only know boketo, see can not spell it right. Because when in Costa rica the girls all say that when they see my dick. Now a true story. Was with girl in C. R. And she kept calling me popi, well I thought her father must have molested her. Had a hard time getting a nut. But I had paid and she was 28 and seemed to be having fun. I called home to states to a el Salvdoran friend who ask how was she saying popi, When I told him he laughed and said no it meant something different. God damm same word. So now you will know how spanish speakers will feel in RP. Hope this helps

They talk about us in their language and / or dialect and we don't understand them. When we go to lola's house, lola and me just speak Spanish and nobody has any idea of what we're talking about. She's 86 now and probably my favorite person in the world. I'm just a white guy that speaks Spanish. Lola was raised way way down south and learned the language as a little girl.

[QUOTE=Ivanvlad;1373981]Hello gents, I'd like to go to the Philippines for the beaches but I'm a bit worried about the quality of the girls. I gave a look at the photo gallery but I couldn't figure out what's the best place to find tall (more than 5, 7 inches) and thin girls. Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Just come to the Philippines for the beaches and forget about the girls.

You obviously don't know much about the Philippines or you would already know that 5 ft 7 ins filipinas are as rare as rocking horse shit, and they are certainly NOT distributed in any one place.

To place such a question in the Photo Gallery also makes me wonder what thought processes you have.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1373993]You obviously don't know much about the Philippines or you would already know that 5 ft 7 ins filipinas are as rare as rocking horse shit, and they are certainly NOT distributed in any one place.[/QUOTE]They are indeed very rare, but a little twinge in my memory bank tells me I located one quite recently. Did you get the same twinge?

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1373996]They are indeed very rare, but a little twinge in my memory bank tells me I located one quite recently. Did you get the same twinge?[/QUOTE]Haha yes FF I had a couple of similar twinges actually, but she certainly wasn't slim, and she wasn't "model" quality.

The poster asked about where to get very tall (and slim) girls. The tall, slim (and pretty ones) in the Phils are probably in show business or modelling careers already. My daughter, who is 6ft tall, was pestered regularly by talent scouts on a trip to the Phils last year wanting her to be in advertising shoots or bit parts in a movie. It drove her crazy.

"An alien individual, whether a resident or not of the Philippines, is taxable only on income derived from sources within the Philippines."

[url]http://www.taxrates.cc/html/philippines-tax-rates.html[/url]

So foreigners (of e. G. The UK, Canada, USA) living in the PI solely off of their foreign pension owe no taxes to the PI?

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1373993]Just come to the Philippines for the beaches and forget about the girls.

You obviously don't know much about the Philippines or you would already know that 5 ft 7 ins filipinas are as rare as rocking horse shit, and they are certainly NOT distributed in any one place.

To place such a question in the Photo Gallery also makes me wonder what thought processes you have.[/QUOTE]If you encounter a 5ft 7in filipina babe switch your LB radar on. As RK could tell you, chances are very high that SHE. Well. ISN"T.

[QUOTE=Questor 55;1374170]If you encounter a 5ft 7in filipina babe switch your LB radar on. As RK could tell you, chances are very high that SHE. Well. ISN"T.[/QUOTE]First check the shoes. You know a lot of them like to wear those tall shoes. But if they are flats and she is that tall, then alert alert!

[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1374000]Haha yes FF I had a couple of similar twinges actually, but she certainly wasn't slim, and she wasn't "model" quality.[/QUOTE]She certainly WASNT model material! Totally agree. ! LOL

this was an interesting read.

[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/documentary-indicts-philippine-justice-system[/url]

clearly he may have had other issues with the police but one is supposedly innocent until guilty.

reminds of the case last year when the cebu police 'arrested' a couple for the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] / murder of a minor very quickly after the crime had been committed, press involved, tv etc name of 'suspects' mentioned / pictures and of course the police spoke about collecting the reward that had been offered.

one problem that came to light soon after the arrest was the fact that the 2 'suspects' were seen on cctv at the waterfront lahug around the same time the police claim they were in taiisay about 40 minutes away. the other was the fact he looked nothing like the photofit artist impression!

did not deter the police who said that 'eye witnesseses" (namely young children) were the priority evidence over the cctv (!). and can they now claim the reward! the european guy still languished in jail for some time despite the norwegian consulate representative / government (i think also) etc getting involved and stating the blindingly obvious to the media and police!. who initially refused to accept the facts saying that they were right and everyone else was stupid. until manila got involved and showed how stupid they were.

keep a low profile imho

[quote=wicked roger; 1378443]this was an interesting read.

[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/documentary-indicts-philippine-justice-system[/url]

clearly he may have had other issues with the police but one is supposedly innocent until guilty.

reminds of the case last year when the cebu police 'arrested' a couple for the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] / murder of a minor very quickly after the crime had been committed, press involved, tv etc name of 'suspects' mentioned / pictures and of course the police spoke about collecting the reward that had been offered.

one problem that came to light soon after the arrest was the fact that the 2 'suspects' were seen on cctv at the waterfront lahug around the same time the police claim they were in taiisay about 40 minutes away. the other was the fact he looked nothing like the photofit artist impression!

did not deter the police who said that 'eye witnesseses" (namely young children) were the priority evidence over the cctv (!). and can they now claim the reward! the european guy still languished in jail for some time despite the norwegian consulate representative / government (i think also) etc getting involved and stating the blindingly obvious to the media and police. who initially refused to accept the facts saying that they were right and everyone else was stupid. until manila got involved and showed how stupid they were.

keep a low profile imho[/quote]stay out of that dump of a country i'd say.

This use of archaic laws has also impacted an old friend of mine recently (who is / was a long stay expat resident of the Philippines) , so much so that her left the country quietly but very suddenly with nothing leaving all behind (was far worse than offending the Catholic Church. It was alleged!)

[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/filipino-activist-faces-jail-for-offending-church[/url]

Tiger. If you hate the country and warn those off it why bother to read FRs? The Philippines is fine just has its own ways and as many have said if you keep a low profile life in the Philippines is fun and stress free most of the time LOL

Sure, go yell "fire" in a theater. There are better ways of addressing the birth control issue.

Yet again, for the umpteenth time, whilst out this morning minding my own business, I was viciously attacked on the street by a Pinay carrying a dangerous weapon. What was it, I hear you gasp. A knife, a club, a gun? None if these. It was a fucking umbrella!

Carried by nearly all women including dessicated old sticks to whom the benefits are minimal, they are invariably locked and loaded and are used primarily to protect from damaging UV rays whilst perambulating in the street. But the vicious thugs that carry them have a secondary, hidden motive I'm sure. Held at just the right height and angle, they can cause maximum damage to the face and eyes of any poor, unwary foreigner that stray their way. And whilst without these nasty implements of carnage, Pinays drift from side to side like ballastless ships in a storm, with them they march in straight lines irrespective of the poor, defenseless souls that lie in their path. Which is usually me and I have the scars to prove it!

Hmm, well I hope you were not bending over tying your shoes when you got poked and scarred.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1379974]Yet again, for the umpteenth time, whilst out this morning minding my own business, I was viciously attacked on the street by a Pinay carrying a dangerous weapon. What was it, I hear you gasp. A knife, a club, a gun? None if these. It was a fucking umbrella!

Carried by nearly all women including dessicated old sticks to whom the benefits are minimal, they are invariably locked and loaded and are used primarily to protect from damaging UV rays whilst perambulating in the street. But the vicious thugs that carry them have a secondary, hidden motive I'm sure. Held at just the right height and angle, they can cause maximum damage to the face and eyes of any poor, unwary foreigner that stray their way. And whilst without these nasty implements of carnage, Pinays drift from side to side like ballastless ships in a storm, with them they March in straight lines irrespective of the poor, defenseless souls that lie in their path. Which is usually me and I have the scars to prove it![/QUOTE]

Excellent reply TW! We know CS is a bit kinky, so maybe he's been tying his shoes a lot.

CS, you probably don't want to go to Tokyo on a rainy or snowy or a hot sunny day.

I think I would be totally blind by now if I didn't wear glasses, not to mention wielding my parasol in various aggresive defensive maneuvers. Is that contradictory? How about proactive defense maneuvers?

Thanks for the chuckle TW. CS, did you get a response from the dia "gal"? I've been blocked.

[QUOTE=Tally Wacker;1379980]Hmm, well I hope you were not bending over tying your shoes when you got poked and scarred.[/QUOTE]

Aw, come on guys, here am I trying to post a serious health warning about the perils of a Pinay with a parasol, and you have to bring perversion into it. I'll also have you know that my 'kinkyness' stops far short of being poked in the ass with a brolly or anything else!

X. No, she blocked me too. Some folk just don't have a sense of humour.

Check out this new app that Cosmopolitan magazine has launched that works through Facebook.

Seriously too. Once both of you push the "hot" button to indicate acceptance of each other then you can start banging away.

[url]http://bangwithfriends.com/[/url]

Came across this story about a movement in North Korea against large breasted women and thought it was hysterical.

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/28/not-everyone-likes-big-boobs-for-example-north-korea/[/url]

I'm sure the movement was started by the Pyongyang chapter of the 'Ittee Bittee Tittee Committee' and not the men of NK as the article suggests. Despite religious, political or cultural differences all of the men I'm acquainted with love a nice set of D cups, especially on a cute little Asian spinner; although I have been guilty of telling many an A cup girl that breast size is not important to me to make them feel better, LOL.

In all sincerity I hope that the movement doesn't gain any ground outside of NK; especially in the Phils. Perhaps we need a counter movement? Something like the ASPCD (Asian Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to D cups)? If started, one thing is certain; I would nominate our own forum member 'D-cups' for president.

Can you imagine if these puppies were suppressed? I'm horrified at the thought!

Sounds like you're having a blast. You do remember who I am right? I changed names.

I've never been a titty guy but my little Indian cutie has a set worthy of bragging about. You better be careful or Kim "Dcup" Jung is going to come after your ass. Or even worst turn democratic then there will be twice the Koreans in the Philippines. Not a good thought. I don't do racism but these guys are screwing things up. Getting turned down by a hooker? My life is ruined. Oh wait! I just had a 20 year old hottie for 1000 baht off Beach Road last night. The 21 year old Indian keeps calling me to Skype, is bi, and want's to go on my next trip so she can sample Asian cuisine. I guess my life's not that bad.

Have fun.

I would not believe a word of this trashy propaganda Pip. Fox news is a warmongering, hysterical news outlet unfortunately, a disgrace. Large breasted women are also discriminated against in the West.

North Korea has done no harm to the international community. Cheers.

On a positive note, have enjoyed your contributions of late.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1378562]Stay out of that dump of a country I'd say.[/QUOTE]I think your feeling is entirely correct ... for the inmates of Guantanamo Bay.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1381357]I think your feeling is entirely correct . for the inmates of Guantanamo Bay.[/QUOTE]Why because you don't agree with how Jack Baeur interogates terrorists?

The Philippines is perfectly safe, while your security detail isn't sleeping on the job.

References:

Sexwork dot com daves reports Asia PI corruption.

Trip advisor dot com safety in Angeles City? Guess again

I'd like to save the $60 and take a Victory Liner bus to AC from MNL. I'm coming in very early at 6am and will have a couple thou on me. Would taking the bus be wise carrying this much cash. Should I just bite the bullet and pay for a car from the hotel?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

hi guys,

i was wondering from the uncircumcised guys how the filipinas tend to react. i dated a filipina (and a nurse) and when i told her that i was not snipped, she was speechless. her small mindedness thought that the un-snipped penises were extremely not hygienic. i was able to convince her otherwise and there were no issues between us. just wondering if they might be adverse to giving oral (especially bbbj) with my foreskin intact.

thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=Socker; 1381541]I'd like to save the $60 and take a Victory Liner bus to AC from MNL. I'm coming in very early at 6am and will have a couple thou on me. Would taking the bus be wise carrying this much cash. Should I just bite the bullet and pay for a car from the hotel?

Thanks in advance for any advice.[/QUOTE]No problem, however the area you will catch the bus in is a bit sketchy

[quote=metkim; 1382168]hi guys,

i was wondering from the uncircumcised guys how the filipinas tend to react. i dated a filipina (and a nurse) and when i told her that i was not snipped, she was speechless. her small mindedness thought that the un-snipped penises were extremely not hygienic. i was able to convince her otherwise and there were no issues between us. just wondering if they might be adverse to giving oral (especially bbbj) with my foreskin intact.

thank you in advance.[/quote]having had over 200 pinays (that was the number i got to when i combined my pinay phone contacts on various sims the other day) plus another 20 or so on ym, and being uncircumsized myself, i think you should find you have no problem at all. to the best of my age addled memory they all happily blew and sucked.

your nurse is very much an exception in my limited expereince.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1382281]Having had over 200 pinays (that was the number I got to when I combined my pinay phone contacts on various sims the other day) plus another 20 or so on YM, and being uncircumsized myself, I think you should find you have no problem at all. To the best of my age addled memory they all happily blew and sucked.

Your nurse is very much an exception in my limited expereince.[/QUOTE]Having screwed enough nurses, she is NOT the exception LOL.

Most if not all Nurses believe circumsion is key to hygiene and one nurse even offered to snip me FOC, using her Philhealth, in the mountain province. Thanks, but no thanks. Considering I will be AOG (aircraft on Ground) for a week plus upto max of 1 month or more.

[QUOTE=Socker; 1381541]I'd like to save the $60 and take a Victory Liner bus to AC from MNL. I'm coming in very early at 6am and will have a couple thou on me. Would taking the bus be wise carrying this much cash. Should I just bite the bullet and pay for a car from the hotel?

Thanks in advance for any advice.[/QUOTE]If you arrive at 6 plus, by the time you reach Pasay terminal, it will be daylight. So don't worry.

Alternate, try the Fly-the-Bus. If they are operating (I was told they wound down.)

For me- it is Pasay. Victory.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1382281]Having had over 200 pinays (that was the number I got to when I combined my pinay phone contacts on various sims the other day) plus another 20 or so on YM, and being uncircumsized myself, I think you should find you have no problem at all. To the best of my age addled memory they all happily blew and sucked.

Your nurse is very much an exception in my limited expereince.[/QUOTE]It's an interesting question.

I have had several women actually ask me in advance of removal of any clothing whether I was circumsized or not.

Because I replied that I am already circumsized I could not assume that if I had said NO they might have been less interested.

I think we have to go with FF's report since his numbers are getting into "significant" statistical areas.

[QUOTE=Socker; 1381541]I'd like to save the $60 and take a Victory Liner bus to AC from MNL. I'm coming in very early at 6am and will have a couple thou on me. Would taking the bus be wise carrying this much cash. Should I just bite the bullet and pay for a car from the hotel?

Thanks in advance for any advice.[/QUOTE]Which day are you going? If it is Saturday then I will be right on that mf with you! I've never had a problem with the bus and 128 piso beats $60 any day of the week.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1382299]It's an interesting question.

I have had several women actually ask me in advance of removal of any clothing whether I was circumsized or not.

Because I replied that I am already circumsized I could not assume that if I had said NO they might have been less interested.

I think we have to go with FF's report since his numbers are getting into "significant" statistical areas.[/QUOTE]Just yesterday a DH that I'm doing in SG was looking at my beautiful specimen of manhood and commenting that it was cut. I mentioned that it had to do with religion and she noted that most or many PI men are also cut.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1382346]Just yesterday a DH that I'm doing in SG was looking at my beautiful specimen of manhood and commenting that it was cut. I mentioned that it had to do with religion and she noted that most or many PI men are also cut.[/QUOTE]It's a rite of passage that young men go through in the provinces when they turn 10 (I think it's 10).

A group of them get together with a local medicine man (doctor) , a sharp bolo (knife) and a big flat rock and it gets hacked off.

Not sure what happens in the city but it probably isn't anything as sophisticated as having it done in hospital soon after birth.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1382309]Which day are you going? If it is Saturday then I will be right on that mf with you! I've never had a problem with the bus and 128 piso beats $60 any day of the week.[/QUOTE]MR. E, thanks for the response, I'm arriving Thursday 6am or so. Maybe we can hook up for a brew in AC. Will pm you later in the week.

Safe Travels.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1382309]Which day are you going? If it is Saturday then I will be right on that mf with you! I've never had a problem with the bus and 128 piso beats $60 any day of the week.[/QUOTE]I paid 150 piso from Pasay to Dau with Victory Liner last week. Great service and free Wifi onboard.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1382281]Having had over 200 pinays (that was the number I got to when I combined my pinay phone contacts on various sims the other day) plus another 20 or so on YM, and being uncircumsized myself, I think you should find you have no problem at all. To the best of my age addled memory they all happily blew and sucked.

Your nurse is very much an exception in my limited expereince.[/QUOTE]I'm uncut and had no problem. I had one girl in AC look at it with a bit of curiosity. She thought it was neat. Quite frankly the nurse is totally wrong and circumcision is barbaric by any definition other than religion and doctors needing to add to the bill. I have never had an issue with hygiene but I shower daily, clean my tool after I use it and put it away dry. Not rocket science. I think the added benefit is better sensitivity since the sensitive part of my tool is covered until needed. Funny how nature figured it all out for us.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1382768]Quite frankly the nurse is totally wrong and circumcision is barbaric by any definition other than religion and doctors needing to add to the bill. I have never had an issue with hygiene but I shower daily, clean my tool after I use it and put it away dry. Not rocket science.[/quote]You are absolutely correct. My experience with Pinoys has been that they see things very black and white. At least that is my perception. I remember when we discussed circumcision, I was telling her that it was a religious ritual and I believe it was done to prevent boys from masturbating. I even told her that there are girls in Africa that get circumcisions of their clitoris. Of course, she was appalled to hear such a thing. Now she gets it, and realizes that like anyone, if we clean ourselves, there should be no "hygienic" issues.

Filipinas will consider you weird, abnormal and not a real man if your dick is uncut.

[url]http://www.themommist.com/2012/04/sniptuck-circumcision-in-philippines.html[/url]

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1382768]I'm uncut and had no problem. I had one girl in AC look at it with a bit of curiosity. She thought it was neat. Quite frankly the nurse is totally wrong and circumcision is barbaric by any definition other than religion and doctors needing to add to the bill. I have never had an issue with hygiene but I shower daily, clean my tool after I use it and put it away dry. Not rocket science. I think the added benefit is better sensitivity since the sensitive part of my tool is covered until needed. Funny how nature figured it all out for us.[/QUOTE]In addition to reducing sensitivity by exposing the head, I've read about one-third to one-half the nerve endings are destroyed when the foreskin is removed. It was common in USA when I was born (early 1950s). Thankfully the ritual is losing favor.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1383021]Filipinas will consider you weird, abnormal and not a real man if your dick is uncut.

[url]http://www.themommist.com/2012/04/sniptuck-circumcision-in-philippines.html[/url][/QUOTE]Not if you know which button to press LOL.

Same as their negativity towards A service, but press the right button, the ass is presented to you nice and clean.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1383021]Filipinas will consider you weird, abnormal and not a real man if your dick is uncut.

[url]http://www.themommist.com/2012/04/sniptuck-circumcision-in-philippines.html[/url][/QUOTE]Like I said, I had one girl look at it with interest. The rest never mentioned it and there was plenty of head bobbing going on in my lap. Lights on.

FN

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1383025]In addition to reducing sensitivity by exposing the head, I've read about one-third to one-half the nerve endings are destroyed when the foreskin is removed. It was common in USA when I was born (early 1950s). Thankfully the ritual is losing favor.[/QUOTE]It's easy to tell from the posts which guys are cut and which are not.

Each finds reasoned arguments to justify / support their own particular situation.

Let's just leave it. It's too late now. I am not getting mine "restored" and I bet those guys uncut are not about to head to the nearest clinic just because of what someone wrote here LOL.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1383073]It's easy to tell from the posts which guys are cut and which are not.

Each finds reasoned arguments to justify / support their own particular situation.

Let's just leave it. It's too late now. I am not getting mine "restored" and I bet those guys uncut are not about to head to the nearest clinic just because of what someone wrote here LOL.[/QUOTE]Just making a factual statement. Don't think any of us had much say one way or the other when the decision was made to have it done or not. Oh, and by the way, I'm circumcised. And I never gave it much thought until people started to talk about in the 1970's. Still don't give it much thought. As you say, let's just leave it.

Check out this link.

[url]http://ph.news.yahoo.com/reward-catch-seoul-taxis-rip-off-foreigners-073140092.html[/url]

If same happened in Philippines and it could be enforced then it could support some mongers' lifestyles LOL

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1383558]Check out this link.

[url]http://ph.news.yahoo.com/reward-catch-seoul-taxis-rip-off-foreigners-073140092.html[/url]

If same happened in Philippines and it could be enforced then it could support some mongers' lifestyles LOL[/QUOTE]I heard they were going to try this in Bangkok, but then they ran some numbers and realized not only would every taxi in existence be taken off the road, the whole country would collapse since the economy is entirely based on ripping off foreigners.

Then there's Tokyo where the taxis rip off everyone, local and foreign, with equal opportunity.

Being circumcised in infancy is like being born with a condom on you that stays there 24 hours a day for life:

"Male circumcision reduces the risk that a man will acquire HIV from an infected female partner, and also lowers the risk of other STDs, penile cancer, and infant urinary tract infection. In female partners, it reduces the risk of cervical cancer, genital ulceration, bacterial vaginosis, trichomoniasis, and HPV."

According to the same authoritative source:

"Well-designed studies of sexual sensation and function in relation to male circumcision are few, and the results present a mixed picture. Taken as a whole, the studies suggest that some decrease in sensitivity of the glans to fine touch can occur following circumcision [48]. However, several studies conducted among men after adult circumcision suggest that few men report their sexual functioning is worse after circumcision; most report either improvement or no change [49-52]. The three African trials found high levels of satisfaction among the men after circumcision [16, 17, 18, 46]."

[url]http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/malecircumcision/[/url]

Even if circumcised guys have less sensitivity, that does not equate to less sexual pleasure or shorter durations of intercourse. When I haven't cum for a few days I am much more sensitive than when I've cum 2 hours ago. In the former case, due to having greater sensation, it is much harder for me to last as long as in the latter case. If a guy with half as much sensation lasts 10 times as long as the guy with twice as much sensation, his overall pleasure should be 5 times as much as the guy experiencing twice as much pleasure at any moment. Moreover, this does not even consider the pleasures of sex enjoyed in other areas of the body, and that of one's partner. Many women prefer a guy who can last longer.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1383568]Then there's Tokyo where the taxis rip off everyone, local and foreign, with equal opportunity.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't call Tokyo a "rip off". That assumes that the meter says one price but they charge you another. Rather, everything in Tokyo is just expensive, period, and the meter price reflects that. You are paying the going rate, if you don't like it take the train or stay out of Tokyo.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1383608]Being circumcised in infancy is like being born with a condom on you that stays there 24 hours a day for life:

"Male circumcision reduces the risk that a man will acquire HIV from an infected female partner, and also lowers the risk of other STDs, penile cancer, and infant urinary tract infection. In female partners, it reduces the risk of cervical cancer, genital ulceration, bacterial vaginosis, trichomoniasis, and HPV."

According to the same authoritative source:

"Well-designed studies of sexual sensation and function in relation to male circumcision are few, and the results present a mixed picture. Taken as a whole, the studies suggest that some decrease in sensitivity of the glans to fine touch can occur following circumcision [48]. However, several studies conducted among men after adult circumcision suggest that few men report their sexual functioning is worse after circumcision; most report either improvement or no change [49-52]. The three African trials found high levels of satisfaction among the men after circumcision [16, 17, 18, 46]."

[url]http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/malecircumcision/[/url]

Even if circumcised guys have less sensitivity, that does not equate to less sexual pleasure or shorter durations of intercourse. When I haven't cum for a few days I am much more sensitive than when I've cum 2 hours ago. In the former case, due to having greater sensation, it is much harder for me to last as long as in the latter case. If a guy with half as much sensation lasts 10 times as long as the guy with twice as much sensation, his overall pleasure should be 5 times as much as the guy experiencing twice as much pleasure at any moment. Moreover, this does not even consider the pleasures of sex enjoyed in other areas of the body, and that of one's partner. Many women prefer a guy who can last longer.[/QUOTE]You sure did your homework, which resulted in a very informative post. I will add: I've had several girlfriends who had a number of relationships with circumcised and uncircumcised men. They were all adamant that in general the circumcised men could fuck far longer before cumming, which they rather liked. When I was in my 30's and 40's I took pride in being able to last until my partner came a couple of times before I came. Now that I'm in my 60's unfortunately it can take an hour or more before I cum. I suspect this would not be the case if I was uncircumcised.

[QUOTE=Irony Monger;1383713]I wouldn't call Tokyo a "rip off". That assumes that the meter says one price but they charge you another. Rather, everything in Tokyo is just expensive, period, and the meter price reflects that. You are paying the going rate, if you don't like it take the train or stay out of Tokyo.[/QUOTE]Perhaps this remark belongs in a Tokyo forum however, we all know that shit trickles down so I'll bring it a 3 1/2 hour flight down to Manila. I was there for 6 days this week until heading north for a few days. There were absolutely no problems with any taxi driver we had other than one big stupid a$$hole. We go in the taxi and he sped off and I mean sped off. I said "meter please". He said "meter broken". I said "ok, I know this ride is less than 60 pesos and I only have 100. Do you have change? Because I don't tip you because no meter. He says "yes I have change." We get to destination and I give him the 100 note and ask for change. He slipped me money and I got out thinking it was change. It was my original 100 and gf is still in the cab. She tells me he says I stole the 100 php from him. I pulled her out of the cab and we went right into Robinsons. He lied about meter and lied about change. 2 lies cost him the price of a fare and a tip and I'm a generous tipper. That's the first problem I have ever had with a Manila taxi driver. Kano poriner screws pinoy for once.

Now, back to Tokyo.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1383608]Being circumcised in infancy is like being born with a condom on you that stays there 24 hours a day for life:

"Male circumcision reduces the risk that a man will acquire HIV from an infected female partner, and also lowers the risk of other STDs, penile cancer, and infant urinary tract infection. In female partners, it reduces the risk of cervical cancer, genital ulceration, bacterial vaginosis, trichomoniasis, and HPV."

According to the same authoritative source:

"Well-designed studies of sexual sensation and function in relation to male circumcision are few, and the results present a mixed picture. Taken as a whole, the studies suggest that some decrease in sensitivity of the glans to fine touch can occur following circumcision [48]. However, several studies conducted among men after adult circumcision suggest that few men report their sexual functioning is worse after circumcision; most report either improvement or no change [49-52]. The three African trials found high levels of satisfaction among the men after circumcision [16, 17, 18, 46]."

[url]http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/malecircumcision/[/url]

Even if circumcised guys have less sensitivity, that does not equate to less sexual pleasure or shorter durations of intercourse. When I haven't cum for a few days I am much more sensitive than when I've cum 2 hours ago. In the former case, due to having greater sensation, it is much harder for me to last as long as in the latter case. If a guy with half as much sensation lasts 10 times as long as the guy with twice as much sensation, his overall pleasure should be 5 times as much as the guy experiencing twice as much pleasure at any moment. Moreover, this does not even consider the pleasures of sex enjoyed in other areas of the body, and that of one's partner. Many women prefer a guy who can last longer.[/QUOTE]I'm circumcised since birth. Hasn't stopped me from getting burned with STDs (luckily all curable) a half dozen times out of the 500-600 women I've boned or got sucked off by.

[QUOTE=Irony Monger;1383713]I wouldn't call Tokyo a "rip off". That assumes that the meter says one price but they charge you another. Rather, everything in Tokyo is just expensive, period, and the meter price reflects that. You are paying the going rate, if you don't like it take the train or stay out of Tokyo.[/QUOTE]Yes, there is not bait and switch. That doesn't stop it from being a rip off though. Ask any Japanese even. They rarely if ever take cabs, because the prices are ridiculous. There's expensive cities then there are taxi mafias. New York is an expensive city. But a one hour trip from JFK to Manhattan in heavy traffic is still $40. Hong Kong is an expensive city, but the same trip would be probably $35. In Seoul, it would be $30. The same trip in Tokyo by cab would be something like $250. They even surpass their world-renown rip off brothers in Bangkok who are at least sane enough not to ask more than $50 max for the 2 hour trek from BKK to Pattaya. It's especially lame because the trains in Tokyo shut down 11:30-12:00 at night, and that's when the blood suckers can really gouge you.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1383881]Yes, there is not bait and switch. That doesn't stop it from being a rip off though. Ask any Japanese even. They rarely if ever take cabs, because the prices are ridiculous. There's expensive cities then there are taxi mafias. New York is an expensive city. But a one hour trip from JFK to Manhattan in heavy traffic is still $40. Hong Kong is an expensive city, but the same trip would be probably $35. In Seoul, it would be $30. The same trip in Tokyo by cab would be something like $250. They even surpass their world-renown rip off brothers in Bangkok who are at least sane enough not to ask more than $50 max for the 2 hour trek from BKK to Pattaya. It's especially lame because the trains in Tokyo shut down 11:30-12:00 at night, and that's when the blood suckers can really gouge you.[/QUOTE]Tokyo is the most expensive city in the world. A loaf of bread there costs 9 USD.

[url]http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/blogs/insight/vancouver-ranked-north-america-priciest-city-155659088.html[/url]

Compare that to a Bangkok supermarket or 7-11 near NEP, which is around 20 baht for about 10 slices.

My guess is bread costs in Manila or AC are much closer to BKK than Tokyo rates.

No wonder the Japanese flock to Thailand & throw money around like its monopoly game currency.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1383801]Now that I'm in my 60's unfortunately it can take an hour or more before I cum. I suspect this would not be the case if I was uncircumcised.[/QUOTE]As one who has been a firm supporter of circumcision, I am now having second thoughts. Its great that I don't pick up STDs as readily as someone who isn't circumcised, but after taking some vitamin V it is really difficult to finish. I haven't found anything that makes the prong more sensitive (after doing an online search I even tried some african tree sap butter...didn´t work) so I'm stuck in the same situation as Paul Kausch.

I hope the Tree had a good time! For me I would be worried about getting splinters in my tally wacker.

[QUOTE=David_33;1383985]I haven't found anything that makes the prong more sensitive (after doing an online search I even tried some african tree sap butter.didn´t work) so I'm stuck in the same situation as Paul Kausch.[/QUOTE]

Very humorous. Shea Body Butter: [url]http://www.amazon.com/Tree-Hut-Butter-Original-7-Ounce/dp/B000KFX10Q/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1360339362&sr=8-9&keywords=shea[/url]+butter

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1383906]Tokyo is the most expensive city in the world. A loaf of bread there costs 9 USD.

[url]http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/blogs/insight/vancouver-ranked-north-america-priciest-city-155659088.html[/url]

Compare that to a Bangkok supermarket or 7-11 near NEP, which is around 20 baht for about 10 slices.

My guess is bread costs in Manila or AC are much closer to BKK than Tokyo rates.

No wonder the Japanese flock to Thailand & throw money around like its monopoly game currency.[/QUOTE]Tokyo is the most expensive city in the world according to sources like Forbes because they are looking at it as foreigners living a western lifestyle (and comparing the weak dollar to the stronger yen over the last few years, though it starting to mediate a little bit). If you're born and raised in Tokyo it's expensive, but probably not the most expensive in the world. Ask anyone from Tokyo who has traveled, they'll tell you.

A subway ride in Tokyo is the same it is in New York. A Starbucks coffee is the same price. A chocolate bar is the same price. A hotel (of equal quality) is a actually little cheaper. Mongering can be much cheaper. For instance the Strawberry blowjob bar (pinsaro) in Tokyo is $22 to get two 15 minute BBBJCIM from two separate girls. Even the quality stuff can be way cheaper. Japanese guys can get hours with model looking women in soapies for a few hundred dollars. Taxis on the other hand are more expensive in Tokyo than anywhere else in the world for sure.

There aren't that many Japanese in Thailand honestly. There are some, but it's limited. I think a lot of white people confuse them with Koreans. There are many more Japanese in Korea or Taiwan. There are many more Koreans in Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam.

Just received an advisory on my CP that Cebu Pacific will commence daily flights to Dubai on 07 Oct 2013. Don't know the routing but guess they will be direct and a useful addition for the many UAE based Pinayophiles.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1384288]Just received an advisory on my CP that Cebu Pacific will commence daily flights to Dubai on 07 Oct 2013. Don't know the routing but guess they will be direct and a useful addition for the many UAE based Pinayophiles.[/QUOTE]Yep. Saw it in their book on the plane the other day.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1383801]You sure did your homework, which resulted in a very informative post. I will add: I've had several girlfriends who had a number of relationships with circumcised and uncircumcised men. They were all adamant that in general the circumcised men could fuck far longer before cumming, which they rather liked. When I was in my 30's and 40's I took pride in being able to last until my partner came a couple of times before I came. Now that I'm in my 60's unfortunately it can take an hour or more before I cum. I suspect this would not be the case if I was uncircumcised.[/QUOTE]This sounds like a medical condition known as "delayed ejaculation". It can have various physical or psychological causes, usually the latter. It can be related to aging, alcohol or tobacco use, medicines, surgeries, stress, blockage of ducts, masurbation, various diseases, being overweight, allergies, etc.

"Delayed ejaculation is the inability to ejaculate or persistent difficulty in achieving orgasm despite the presence of normal sexual desire and sexual stimulation. Normally a man can achieve orgasm within 5 minutes of active thrusting during sexual intercourse, [1] whereas a man with delayed ejaculation either does not have orgasms at all or cannot have an orgasm until after prolonged intercourse which might last for 30–45 minutes or more. In most cases delayed ejaculation presents the condition in which the man can climax and ejaculate only during masturbation, but not during sexual intercourse."

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_ejaculation[/url]

"Delayed ejaculation — sometimes called impaired ejaculation — is a condition in which it takes an extended period of sexual stimulation for a man to reach sexual climax and release semen from the penis (ejaculate). Some men with delayed ejaculation are unable to ejaculate at all.

"Delayed ejaculation can be temporary or a lifelong problem. Possible causes of delayed ejaculation include certain chronic health conditions, surgeries and medications. Treatment for delayed ejaculation depends on the underlying cause.

"It's normal for men to have delayed ejaculation from time to time. Delayed ejaculation is only a problem if it's ongoing or causes stress for you or your partner.

[url]http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/delayed-ejaculation/DS01174[/url]

[QUOTE=David_33;1383985]As one who has been a firm supporter of circumcision, I am now having second thoughts. Its great that I don't pick up STDs as readily as someone who isn't circumcised, but after taking some vitamin V it is really difficult to finish. I haven't found anything that makes the prong more sensitive (after doing an online search I even tried some african tree sap butter.didn´t work) so I'm stuck in the same situation as Paul Kausch.[/QUOTE]As per the above, I'd recommend seeing a competent doctor. Perhaps vitamin V is the problem & you should consider trying something else:

"There is yet no reliable medication for delayed ejaculation. PDE5 inhibitors such as Viagra have little effect. [10] In fact, Viagra has a delaying effect on ejaculation, possibly through additional effect in the brain or decrease of sensitivity in the head of the penis. [11] Case studies have reported some success with serotonin antagonists (amantadine) and dopaminergic agents (bupropion, buspirone) , though large, controlled studies are lacking, likely due to the rarity of the condition relative to other forms of male sexual dysfunction."

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_ejaculation[/url]

"If you have trouble maintaining an erection or reaching orgasm, ask your doctor about medications or other treatments for these problems."

[url]http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/senior-sex/MC00057/NSECTIONGROUP=2[/url]

"the vast majority of men who suffer from delayed ejaculation problems get checked out physically and are told that there is nothing mechanically wrong with them."

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1kP5miFRAc[/url]

"For some men, stopping or cutting down on the use of alcohol, tobacco, or illegal drugs may improve their ability to control ejaculation."

[url]http://www.healthlinkbc.ca/kb/content/special/tv7761spec.html[/url]

That would include second hand smoke in AC bars.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1384413]This sounds like a medical condition known as "delayed ejaculation".[/QUOTE]PP, in each one of your posts you make a reference to a medical condition or diseases. Are you sure that this earth is a place where you can actually enjoy life?

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1384413]This sounds like a medical condition known as "delayed ejaculation"/QUOTE]I appreciate this discussion because I experienced this on my last trip. It's a relief that it's a common malady. In my case, it's probably caused the use of daily dose Cialis. That drug works like a charm but I noticed a pronounced deadening of feeling. Probably the problem is compounded by jet lag and stress. I didn't know how pronounced the deadening was I got to Phils and actually started putting Johnson to active use. Even with the tight little Filipinas it was very difficult to get to the tipping point. In a week of active mongering I was only able to climax 3 times. On a positive note, it made me into something of a sexual athlete. I was able to go at it for hours at a time with my partners, which amazed and delighted them. My back gave out long before my Johnson. These were all sex-starved civilians. Working girls would not have been so happy. Your reporting is a good reminder to get things checked out by the doc, though. No need to take chances.

Well thanks, but I'm pretty certain its just a funcion of age and vitamin V. Not a big deal.

[quote=david_33;1384503]well thanks, but i'm pretty certain its just a funcion of age and vitamin v. not a big deal.[/quote]lol. would have to agree with you on aging and rarely a medical condition unto itself. peripheral synapses just don't seem to trigger as fast after the warranty and then you add any other medical conditions the threshold just gets higher. the biggest compounding medical is weight gain and subsequent pre diabetes, diabetes etc which further degrades the wiring.

alcohol bad for me incurring increasing threshold commensurate with amount of etoh. taughtness also a factor; sometimes i wonder if the girl i'm on top of has been buggered by a horse or something. in mish i can only pop the cork if i got her legs pinched good and tight between mine. prolly from all the jerking i did as a kid. come to think, my vision not so good now either.

one of my biggest peeves is getting hyperthermic. i thought it was only me and i was bs'ing with badbear a few years ago down in haiti and bitching to him about the ac off and how it was so hard to spooge doing pushups and dripping sweat. not so much fatigue as it was subjective feeling of being too damn hot. bb looked at me like i was the first guy who'd said that to him then said he had the exact same problem. even home nowadays i keep the temp down; still do most the work as prefer topside and the girl bitching about how cold it is and me cursing her gd elec blanket, usually ripping it away.

last night, same-same. rolled over pending heat prostration trying to get my hat trick of the day; she dutifully fans me comfortably for a several minutes before back on task.

[quote=pete benetar;1384558]lol. would have to agree with you on aging and rarely a medical condition unto itself.one of my biggest peeves is getting hyperthermic. back on task.[/quote]"it now takes me all night to do once, what i used to do all night." of course that doesn't mean i enjoy it any less, it's just different. more of the journey over the destination thing!

[quote=pinkpearl; 1384413]this sounds like a medical condition known as "delayed ejaculation". it can have various physical or psychological causes, usually the latter. it can be related to aging, alcohol or tobacco use, medicines, surgeries, stress, blockage of ducts, masturbation, various diseases, being overweight, allergies, etc.[/quote]thanks for the information. i'm a light drinker. i don't smoke. i'm very fit and in excellent health. but i am 62 years old. an acquaintance who is a licensed sex therapist once told me as i get older masturbating on a regular basis was good when i'm not having sex. he said it was a matter of using it or losing it. i do almost always come eventually. i've attributed it to combination of age and the use of condoms. i seldom used them when i was younger as most of the women i was having sex with were not pros and were well known to me. as i had a vasectomy over 25 years ago, pregnancy was never an issue. now most of my sex is with working girls and i use them to avoid std. i'd appreciate tips on condoms. i use the crown skinless skin condoms. even though they're better than standards such as trojans, they really diminish the sensation. so, i'd appreciate recommendations.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1384231]Tokyo is the most expensive city in the world according to sources like Forbes because they are looking at it as foreigners living a western lifestyle (and comparing the weak dollar to the stronger yen over the last few years, though it starting to mediate a little bit). If you're born and raised in Tokyo it's expensive, but probably not the most expensive in the world. Ask anyone from Tokyo who has traveled, they'll tell you.

A subway ride in Tokyo is the same it is in New York. A Starbucks coffee is the same price. A chocolate bar is the same price. A hotel (of equal quality) is a actually little cheaper. Mongering can be much cheaper. For instance the Strawberry blowjob bar (pinsaro) in Tokyo is $22 to get two 15 minute BBBJCIM from two separate girls. Even the quality stuff can be way cheaper. Japanese guys can get hours with model looking women in soapies for a few hundred dollars. Taxis on the other hand are more expensive in Tokyo than anywhere else in the world for sure.

There aren't that many Japanese in Thailand honestly. There are some, but it's limited. I think a lot of white people confuse them with Koreans. There are many more Japanese in Korea or Taiwan. There are many more Koreans in Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam.[/QUOTE]I doubt the report ranking Tokyo as the most expensive city included pooning in its list of "goods and services", but who knows.

That's a good deal for a BJ there, though the "blow row" in AC is still cheaper.

Japanese in Thailand?

"More than one million Japanese travelers visit Thailand each year. After Malaysia and China, Japan accounts for the third largest group of international tourists in Thailand. It was projected earlier that about 1.2 million Japanese tourists would visit Thailand in 2011. Following the Japanese crisis in March, Japanese arrivals are likely to drop to 850,000, down by 12 per cent from last year."

[url]http://thailand.prd.go.th/view_news.php?id=5642&a=2[/url]

"According to the Tourism Authority of Thailand, [7] 55% of the tourists in 2007 came from the Asia Pacific region, Japanese and Malaysians forming the two biggest groups. The largest groups of Western tourists come from the United Kingdom, Australia, Germany, the United States and Scandinavia. The number of tourists arriving from Russia is on the rise. [8] Around 55% of Thailand's tourists are return visitors. The peak period is during the Christmas and New Year holidays when Western tourists flee the cold conditions.

"In 2011, 1.7 million Chinese visitors traveled to Thailand. It is anticipated that the number for 2012 should reach 2 million and generate approximately 50 billion baht revenue. [9]

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Thailand[/url]

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1384575]I use the Crown Skinless Skin condoms. Even though they're better than standards such as Trojans, they really diminish the sensation. So, I'd appreciate recommendations.[/QUOTE]Might want to try sheepskins. More expensive and still covers, but some think it affords better sensitization vs latex. Or when with WGs stick with BBBJ, if you can get them and they satisfy you.

[QUOTE=Pete Benetar;1384810]Might want to try sheepskins. More expensive and still covers, but some think it affords better sensitization vs latex. Or when with WGs stick with BBBJ, if you can get them and they satisfy you.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. Never used sheepskins. The lack of heat transfer with latex [U]is[/U] Part of the problem. It may be less of a problem with sheepskins. I've heard about a Japanese condom made with a special polyurethane that is much stronger, thinner, smoother and allows more heat transfer. Is anyone familiar with these? I thought I read a post about them recently, but haven't been able to find it. I wonder if they are sized for a Japanese man. I'm 188cm tall and a little larger than average for a North American man.

From time to time I do think about going bareback. I'd certainly enjoy it more. I've read up on STDs so I know the odds of contracting an STD; I know with a little luck I could have a long string of bareback fucks without contracting an STD; I know if I did most cases are treatable; I know as I'm not out looking for katoeys to bang my ass the risk of contracting HIV / AIDS is low. Some working girls and semi-pros won't allow you to ride bareback. It's easier to find them in the Philippines (thank you Mr. Pope) , harder in other places, especially Europe, North American, in Thailand they're harder to find than in the Philippines. I'm under the impression the promise of a bigger tip changes their attitudes about bareback. Everyone has their price. Its obvious some forum members routinely ride bareback, others never ride bareback. I understand why the bareback guys may not wish to post on the topic, but I'd be interested in reading what they have to say. Likewise the opposite point of view would be good to read. I've read the safe sex forums and am surprised there isn't a more informative dialog on this topic on these strings. So much is written about safe sex in the media. I'd like to read what the guys in the trenches, so to speak, have to say.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1384831]I understand why the bareback guys may not wish to post on the topic, but I'd be interested in reading what they have to say. Likewise the opposite point of view would be good to read. I've read the safe sex forums and am surprised there isn't a more informative dialog on this topic on these strings. So much is written about safe sex in the media. I'd like to read what the guys in the trenches, so to speak, have to say.[/QUOTE]I think this has been covered quite a bit in the Safe Sex threads. It often gets emotional devolving into pro and con inflamed posts you just need to sort through and I've seen pages on different PI boards deleted or transferred properly to the Safe Sex mb. Maybe best to read through Safe Sex and post queries there.

[QUOTE=Pete Benetar;1384847]I think this has been covered quite a bit in the Safe Sex threads. It often gets emotional devolving into pro and con inflamed posts you just need to sort through and I've seen pages on different PI boards deleted or transferred properly to the Safe Sex mb. Maybe best to read through Safe Sex and post queries there.[/QUOTE]Once again, thanks for the help. I'll take another look at the safe sex threads. My recollection is consistent with your characterization, most posts were vitriolic attacks against people on the other side of the issue. I seriously doubt if I'll change my ways. Worrying about contracting something,"contributing to the problem." etc. Isn't conducive to satisfying sex.

[quote]Japanese in Thailand?[/quote]Yeah there are some, but like I said not the most. Almost double the number of Chinese and the numbers of Malaysian Indians holy hell.

1 million visits. How many of those are repeats? Japan has 130, 000, 000 in country and several million outside of the country. Pretty high I guess, but I don't run into them too much. Would be happy to, like to practice my Japanese and tell them to stop spending so much money. Actually goes over well sometimes when I tell them how much less I spend and still get equal entertainment.

I don't know about Koreans, but there are a lot. Read once 50, 000 Koreans live in Thailand full time. Then at least a million tourist visits. Interesting now that Thais are also going to Korea in higher numbers:

"Thanks to 'hallyu, ' or the Korean wave sweeping Southeast Asia, more and more Thai tourists are coming to Korea.

"According to the Korea Tourism Organization (KTO) , the state-run promoter of Korean tourism overseas, Tuesday, Thais now rank the sixth largest tourist group visiting Korea after the Japanese, Chinese, Americans, Taiwanese and Filipinos.

"As of the end of November, the number of tourists from Thailand jumped 20. 7 percent from a year earlier to 277, 000.

"Among Southeast Asian nations, only Malaysian visitors increased at a higher rate of 44. 9 percent to 102, 000.

"KTO also said that per-capita-spending among Thai tourists reached $1, 392 in 2010, higher than Japanese tourists' average of $1, 070.

[url]http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/12/113_100273.html[/url]

Would love to know where these people are staying $1, 070 for a holiday in Korea? I usually spend 3-5000. I guess mongering adds up.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1384575]I'd appreciate tips on condoms. I use the Crown Skinless Skin condoms. Even though they're better than standards such as Trojans, they really diminish the sensation. So, I'd appreciate recommendations.[/QUOTE]More than once I've been called "Obvious Guy" so please excuse me if this too is obvious.

My satisfaction increased considerably when I learned to put lubrication inside the condom.

Paul Kausch,

The folllowing url lists various Sagami and Okamoto polyurethane condoms that fit your description. I've seen them recommended by punters on other sites, but never tried them myself. One comment said the large size was ok for an average size caucasian but not a large guy, though you might like to give it a test drive.

[url]http://www.amazon.com/Sagami-Original-0-02-Condom-Pack/dp/B002E1KYW2[/url]

From the Thailand Safe Sex thread:

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1307074]I like this commercial for one of the. 02mm condoms made by Sagami. Find it at at e-condom punkt org then tack on / product_detail. Php? P_id=1_37&tr=ad&gclid=CN7yvsnTmaACFdx05QodLzqmeA.

I think the difference between the Okamoto and Sagami is the girth. Okamoto is 55mm and Sagami is 58mm.

From what I can tell anything over 55mm according to this website is "large": condomking punkt eu then / wpt / view / helpfaq / size-guide-51100

So it seems only the bigger guys are catered to.[/QUOTE]07-22-12 16:29.

[url]http://www.002.com.au/[/url]

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1384831]From time to time I do think about going bareback. I'd certainly enjoy it more. I've read up on STDs so I know the odds of contracting an STD; I know with a little luck I could have a long string of bareback fucks without contracting an STD; I know if I did most cases are treatable; I know as I'm not out looking for katoeys to bang my ass the risk of contracting HIV / AIDS is low. Some working girls and semi-pros won't allow you to ride bareback. It's easier to find them in the Philippines (thank you Mr. Pope) , harder in other places, especially Europe, North American, in Thailand they're harder to find than in the Philippines. I'm under the impression the promise of a bigger tip changes their attitudes about bareback. Everyone has their price. Its obvious some forum members routinely ride bareback, others never ride bareback. I understand why the bareback guys may not wish to post on the topic, but I'd be interested in reading what they have to say. Likewise the opposite point of view would be good to read. I've read the safe sex forums and am surprised there isn't a more informative dialog on this topic on these strings. So much is written about safe sex in the media. I'd like to read what the guys in the trenches, so to speak, have to say.[/QUOTE]I like BB & Safe Sex, so I use other types of Safe Sex methods besides condoms to give me similar protection from STIs, especially HIV since I have little concern about anything else. In fact, apart from HIV, I worry more about getting a girl pregnant than other STIs. But practicing withdrawal at a very high standard is about as effective as condoms in that regard, as well as safer for the girl, in case I have unknowingly contracted anything.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_sex[/url]

Personally I enjoy BB more than using condoms, as is the case with most guys. I can generally last as long as I want either way, which usually means I'll go for hours and not cum, by choice. But if going BB resulted in cumming much more quickly, then I might prefer condoms for the advantage of providing the greater overall pleasure. In that sense the guys who find they cannot cum during sex for a long time, if at all, are blessed and considered to be what many women would love to have as a partner. Why else would delayed ejaculation be a problem, unless a couple is interested in making a baby, or the hooker is getting sore or wants move on to the next trick, in which case I just move on to the next hooker.

Okamoto is about the best there is but ONLY when you buy them in the west. The ones sold in Japan, Korea, Thailand, Cambodia are damn tiny. They don't go all the way down even on my average sized prick. Pack some from home. You can get them online at an extremely low rate. They have models as thin as 0. 2 mm.

Rick & Pink: thanks for the information guys. The Crown Skinless Skins are by Okamoto. I buy them in bulk from a condom distributor in the USA. The thinnest Okomoto's I've found are latex and. 047mm. They fit fine. As I said I'm only a little larger than average for a North American. I'll look for them in. 02mm thickness. The Sagami's are polyurethane and. 02mm. I've read the material makes a significant difference. I've seen them on Amazon and have noted that some reviewers say they are too tight. I found a company in Australia that sells them in a larger size.

[url]http://www.002.com.au/[/url]

My issue is 12 cost $39, plus S&H. I might spend that much if they are worth it. But as I've said in other posts I'm toying with the idea of going bareback whenever possible. I have no great fear of contracting an STD (except for HIV / AIDS. Which I know is less likely) , but I do worry about spreading it around if I do catch something. My mongering tends to be feast and famine. I might go for a month with nothing because I'm up in the Andes working on a project and there's nothing worth fucking around; then I'll be in a city with a good mongering scene for two weeks where I'll fuck a dozen or more different women. At least I don't have to worry about getting the girl pregnant, but I'll read about withdrawal as a method of reducing the risk of spreading an infection. I always thought the pre-ejaculatory fluids could transmit an STD.

Thanks again guys, you're a big help!

Well I am a hobbyist that wants to venture out. Also want to maintain. My status with skyteam. I plan on going to Angles city around July or August for about 5-6 nights. Are things shut down during the season? How bad are the flights from MNL? I don't think I can fly into Clark from the states.

Thanks for the information.

Why would anything be shut down? If the Philippines shut down at the threat of natural disaster it would be boarded up 365 days a year. This is a land of regular monsoon, floods, typhoons, volcanoes, mudslides and earthquakes.

I don't know about Australia. Seems you guys pay high shipping for everything, at least that's what some Aussie guys have told me.

The 0. 02 Okamoto I get online. 12 for $25 free shipping.

The 0. 04 I get online. 24 for $25 free shipping.

The Crowns which aren't as good but still aren't bad are online. 100 for $15 free shipping.

Used to use Crowns. Now use 0. 02 or 0. 04.

If you use a cash back credit card, shop a site like Drugstores. Com and something like Ebates. Com you can end up getting them 25 or 30 percent off. Don't know how much of that is available in Oz.

[QUOTE=Zero Dude;1385378]Well I am a hobbyist that wants to venture out. Also want to maintain. My status with skyteam. I plan on going to Angles city around July or August for about 5-6 nights. Are things shut down during the season? How bad are the flights from MNL? I don't think I can fly into Clark from the states.[/QUOTE]Do more homework, and read more posts on this whole forum.

Take half a day to read up about the place you are visiting.

July / August is still hot here post high summer. A few early typhoons might come through but they rarely affect Angeles City except for a heap of tropical rain.

What do you mean by "how bad are the flights from Manila"?

No idea what you mean. They use really big planes with jet engines here, and there are flight attendants on board too. Sometimes flights are bumpy and sometimes they are smooth as silk. They fly all over the Philippines too and even to other countries as well.

[QUOTE=Zero Dude; 1385378]Well I am a hobbyist that wants to venture out. Also want to maintain. My status with skyteam. I plan on going to Angles city around July or August for about 5-6 nights. Are things shut down during the season? How bad are the flights from MNL? I don't think I can fly into Clark from the states.

Thanks for the information.[/QUOTE]ZD: Please go to phils first, and post at least one good field report, before asking questions on the open board. Feel free to PM me with your questions (and please make sense). You can fly directly into Clark from the States.

I was in a branch of Jollibees yesterday morning. Sad, I know, but their egg & sausage pandesal rolls are to die for and much superior to those crap McMuffin efforts which always seem to give me indigestion.

Has anyone else noticed how those glorified doormen and table clearers, otherwise known as Filipino security guards are armed but pitifully short on ammo. I always check their otherwise overloaded belts for rounds. Quite often they have no spare bullets at all, but mostly they have one round as this guy did. Once I saw one mad, bad, brave dude guarding the cream cakes at Goldilocks who had two spare bullets on his belt. He sure looked a mean muvver, too. Wouldn't try and run off with a cream bun with him around!

I know that the reason for this is apparently because they have to buy their own ammo themselves out of their pitifully meager wages. I assume that their weapons are loaded (but maybe not) and probably with a single round. So if the outlet was attacked by 3 desperate masked men intent on stealing all the Jolliburgers, our poor guard would be able only to shoot the first one and then would have to invite the other two to play a round of Russian roulette!

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1385890]Has anyone else noticed how those glorified doormen and table clearers, otherwise known as Filipino security guards are armed but pitifully short on ammo. I always check their otherwise overloaded belts for rounds. Quite often they have no spare bullets at all, but mostly they have one round as this guy did. Once I saw one mad, bad, brave dude guarding the cream cakes at Goldilocks who had two spare bullets on his belt. He sure looked a mean muvver, too. Wouldn't try and run off with a cream bun with him around![/QUOTE]And did you ever wonder why rarely the security get into shoot-outs, when there is a hold up?

And BTW, I met a junior inspector in PNP, who said. Trust me I am not bluffing.that for this Region 3 budget being low, the officers are encouraged to buy their own vehicle for patrol purposes etc. And a subsidised loan is available, accordingly. I was also wondering what the heck they do with the PNP Budget.

I asked him, when I saw some non-standard gear inside the Isuzu Double Cab he owns.

I was tempted to ask if any gun shot damages are covered.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1385890]I was in a branch of Jollibees yesterday morning. Sad, I know, but their egg & sausage pandesal rolls are to die for and much superior to those crap McMuffin efforts which always seem to give me indigestion.

Has anyone else noticed how those glorified doormen and table clearers, otherwise known as Filipino security guards are armed but pitifully short on ammo. I always check their otherwise overloaded belts for rounds. Quite often they have no spare bullets at all, but mostly they have one round as this guy did. Once I saw one mad, bad, brave dude guarding the cream cakes at Goldilocks who had two spare bullets on his belt. He sure looked a mean muvver, too. Wouldn't try and run off with a cream bun with him around!

I know that the reason for this is apparently because they have to buy their own ammo themselves out of their pitifully meager wages. I assume that their weapons are loaded (but maybe not) and probably with a single round. So if the outlet was attacked by 3 desperate masked men intent on stealing all the Jolliburgers, our poor guard would be able only to shoot the first one and then would have to invite the other two to play a round of Russian roulette![/QUOTE]Funny one CS.

Good pic too.

I thought you had deduced by now that the security guards in most places are employed to stop the staff from stealing stuff. I guess they also double up and try to intercept any big spenders from stealing the plastic fork and spoon as well.

Watch how they frisk any staff member leaving the premises (particularly at SM). The gay employees especially enjoy it. I was told that staff in most places steal far more than the masa who stumble into the air-conditioned malls for some blessed relief from the noon-day sun. Ever wonder why a fabric store needs a fully-uniformed guard standing alert at the door? My son asked a perceptive question when he visited last year and murmured out loud "WTF do security guards think about all day?"

His rhetorical question went unanswered but got me thinking.

At least CS' "glorified doormen and table clearers" must feel they are doing something useful.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1385890]I assume that their weapons are loaded (but maybe not) and probably with a single round. So if the outlet was attacked by 3 desperate masked men intent on stealing all the Jolliburgers, our poor guard would be able only to shoot the first one and then would have to invite the other two to play a round of Russian roulette![/QUOTE]Well the one I saw in McDonald's in AC yesterday didn't even have a weapon. He had a first aid kit and a flashlight on his belt.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1385931]Funny one CS.

Good pic too. His rhetorical question went unanswered but got me thinking.

At least CS' "glorified doormen and table clearers" must feel they are doing something useful.[/QUOTE]I think the chick to the right of the security guard has a definite eye on CS."Ohhhh look at that studly poriner."

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1385959]Well the one I saw in McDonald's in AC yesterday didn't even have a weapon. He had a first aid kit and a flashlight on his belt.[/QUOTE]The first aid kit is in case someone had a beefburger with horsemeat in it

The torch was to find the beef! LOL (Sorry - UK joke)

Just as a shortened version.

I'm married to 26 year old girl already for 3. 5 years and living in Manila, I'm kind of happy with our life.

We have money, several businesses that earn nicely and those are handled by my wife.

I also have a job which pays good, I will stay 1-2 days in Cebu almost every week.

I have a regular girlfriend 20 year old girlfriend in Cebu that I'm supporting and paying also the studies.

Sometimes I feel that this bubble will burst at any time, but for the past times I've managed to keep everything together.

I don't answer txt messages or calls at home, only at work and my gf knows the situation so she's very sport and not even jealous.

I'm just wondering how many guys there are in a same situation? I just find it easy if you're running after st girls, but having a regular around is hard.

Greetings everyone,

It's been a couple years since I've been back to PI. I only have one question that I would like a few experienced travelers to answer. The only time that I can travel to PI this year is in the middle of July. I looked online and most websites say that the rainy season peaks in July. Is this time completely horrible to monger? Is the area going to be shut down any due to massive amounts of rain? I'm flying directly into Clark. I was going to make a short trip to Subic in the middle of the week to break the boring down times.

Any suggestions or comments from you all?

Ok I have to ask I see westcoast and asian rain always haveing pics of women they were with and I think how many woman have they had. I must admit I am jellous of them and I look forward to the 1 week a year I can do what they do everyday. T hank you for all the pics and reports I really do enjoy them all

She can easily send a friend to spy on you when you go to Cebu. And then its all kapute, di ba. You know that?

[QUOTE=Going Low; 1386340]I also have a job which pays good, I will stay 1-2 days in Cebu almost every week.

I have a regular girlfriend 20 year old girlfriend in Cebu that I'm supporting and paying also the studies.

Sometimes I feel that this bubble will burst at any time, but for the past times I've managed to keep everything together.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marconista;1386524]She can easily send a friend to spy on you when you go to Cebu. And then its all kapute, di ba. You know that?[/QUOTE]Not likely for her to send a friend, but Pinays can sense such stuff, and will corner you at the wrong moment and insist and with conviction will demand that you admit your truancy. And they can come on so strongly that is can sound like they did have a Private detective. LOL.

So you give up the game yourself. No need to send a friend LOL

[QUOTE=Bonkers1;1386484]Ok I have to ask I see westcoast and asian rain always haveing pics of women they were with and I think how many woman have they had. I must admit I am jellous of them and I look forward to the 1 week a year I can do what they do everyday. T hank you for all the pics and reports I really do enjoy them all[/QUOTE]I stopped thinking about it around 300. Way over 1000 now I'm sure. But the only ones that really matter are the first and the last.

[QUOTE=Going Low; 1386340]Just as a shortened version.

I'm married to 26 year old girl already for 3. 5 years and living in Manila, I'm kind of happy with our life.

We have money, several businesses that earn nicely and those are handled by my wife.

I also have a job which pays good, I will stay 1-2 days in Cebu almost every week.

I have a regular girlfriend 20 year old girlfriend in Cebu that I'm supporting and paying also the studies.

Sometimes I feel that this bubble will burst at any time, but for the past times I've managed to keep everything together.

I don't answer txt messages or calls at home, only at work and my gf knows the situation so she's very sport and not even jealous.

I'm just wondering how many guys there are in a same situation? I just find it easy if you're running after st girls, but having a regular around is hard.[/QUOTE]There's really only one answer: Make sure the woman is fine with your extra activities before you marry her. Otherwise, you'll eventually be fucked (and not in the way we come here to talk about). Made sure my wife was fully fine with me fucking around, maintaining side piece GFs in different countries and cities and mongering before I married her. There's no other way that would have happened. Lucky for me her only complaint is usually that she couldn't participate.

I really don't see how or why you'd marry otherwise, unless you're looking for someone to give half of your assets too (in which case, may I suggest a poor family in Haiti or perhaps Cambodia would be more worthy recipients).

[QUOTE=Bonkers1;1386484]Ok I have to ask I see westcoast and asian rain always haveing pics of women they were with and I think how many woman have they had. I must admit I am jellous of them and I look forward to the 1 week a year I can do what they do everyday. T hank you for all the pics and reports I really do enjoy them all[/QUOTE]That's why you've got to keep a journal. It can be as simple as name, short description and where you met. With the advent of cell phones, it's easy to keep at least one picture too. Good for reminiscing later in life. If I didn't keep them, I would have probably forgotten hundreds by now.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1386714]There's really only one answer: Make sure the woman is fine with your extra activities before you marry her. Otherwise, you'll eventually be fucked (and not in the way we come here to talk about). Made sure my wife was fully fine with me fucking around, maintaining side piece GFs in different countries and cities and mongering before I married her. There's no other way that would have happened. Lucky for me her only complaint is usually that she couldn't participate.[/QUOTE]Rick, you have someone special there; I especially like the last sentence. You have an enviable arrangement. Bravo your life. Sorry if this is too personal; I'm curious to know whether she has the same opportunities for extra-marital activities but (at this time) has decided to forgo them. Is there a requirement that she has to be attended to by you whenever she wishes? Is she genuinely cool with the money you spend elsewhere? In my discussions with Asian ladies what they are most pissed off re infidelity is the removal of money from the household budget. Do you control the family finances?

I've recently started an NSA with a Filipina who is unhappily married to a foreigner. He's been stepping out for years and she's fed up. She's forgiven repeatedly and his promises have been broken... repeatedly. It's purely vengeance on her part.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1386694]I stopped thinking about it around 300. Way over 1000 now I'm sure. But the only ones that really matter are the first and the last.[/QUOTE]WOW over 1000 and it never gets old never or never get tired of it. If there was a medal for that you would get the gold. I see you had women from all over the world do you prefer 1 country over another? What nationality is the best

Over 20 years ago back in the old hometown, hanging out with the old friends and a converstion came up about how lucky we'd been over the years. Most of the guys said 3 or 4, but the guy who had been the super stud came up with 7. I was flabbergasted and a bit emarrassed. I had been a sailor and had enjoyed a girl in almost every port. And the weeks at the port at Subic bay was one or two or three in a day. So, when it was my turn I halved my number and said 30 or 40. They ridiculed me.they didn't believe me. LOL. Damn, that was a lot of women ago.

[QUOTE=Bonkers1;1386484]Ok I have to ask I see westcoast and asian rain always haveing pics of women they were with and I think how many woman have they had. I must admit I am jellous of them and I look forward to the 1 week a year I can do what they do everyday. T hank you for all the pics and reports I really do enjoy them all[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bonkers1;1386795]WOW over 1000 and it never gets old never or never get tired of it. If there was a medal for that you would get the gold. I see you had women from all over the world do you prefer 1 country over another? What nationality is the best[/QUOTE]LOL...WTF. Its a little like comparative dick measuring, we all add a strategic inch or two. And no matter how many bought and paid for shags we have had, we are still well behind your average rock star or pro footballer, who got theirs for free. However, without trying to boast, I reckon a conservative estimate of 1,500 over the last 30 years. This is why I now insist on pics as it is the only way that I can recall a girl when she contacts me a few months later. My photo archives (dating back 6-7 years) now number over 300 separate encounters!

[QUOTE=Hutsori; 1386788]Rick, you have someone special there; I especially like the last sentence. You have an enviable arrangement. Bravo your life. Sorry if this is too personal; I'm curious to know whether she has the same opportunities for extra-marital activities but (at this time) has decided to forgo them. Is there a requirement that she has to be attended to by you whenever she wishes? Is she genuinely cool with the money you spend elsewhere? In my discussions with Asian ladies what they are most pissed off re infidelity is the removal of money from the household budget. Do you control the family finances?

I've recently started an NSA with a Filipina who is unhappily married to a foreigner. He's been stepping out for years and she's fed up. She's forgiven repeatedly and his promises have been broken. Repeatedly. It's purely vengeance on her part.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I agree she's amazing. At the same time she's the only thing acceptable to me as a wife, so I guess I have high standards.

We swing, together and apart. She can do her own thing too. Strangely enough she usually doesn't. She says she prefers it with me and that it's difficult to find someone safe and sane for a sex only on demand thing. She has one regular guy in his early 20's now, but he's a bit of a punk. Had some regulars before who couldn't handle being nothing more than stunt cock when I was on the road.

I control the finances, hers, mine and the shared money. Reason being that I'm comfortable and experienced with it and she's not. She doesn't mind me spending money when we have it. The few times I'm low on cash and still doing pay for play it has caused some friction. That's about the only friction we've had (besides her being a little slighted when I say I want to travel alone, and not for business). Still, many years in we get along great and are very open. She wants to know about all my encounters, especially if I have pictures or video (harder and harder to get now unfortunately).

It didn't start like this. I remember when there was an insane jealousy early on. Luckily we matured and began to talk about things and figure them out. It all started when one night during sex she told me how much she wanted to suck on some big fat tits! Went from threesomes with girls to swapping to me returning to my old working girl mongering ways and telling her all the steamy details during our next sex session. If it wouldn't have evolved how it did I never would have married her, even though she was making more money than me when we tied the knot.

Got to have my freedom.

The hardest thing about our relationship has been finding bisexual working women okay with playing with us together!

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1386828]LOL.WTF. Its a little like comparative dick measuring, we all add a strategic inch or two. And no matter how many bought and paid for shags we have had, we are still well behind your average rock star or pro footballer, who got theirs for free. However, without trying to boast, I reckon a conservative estimate of 1,500 over the last 30 years. This is why I now insist on pics as it is the only way that I can recall a girl when she contacts me a few months later. My photo archives (dating back 6-7 years) now number over 300 separate encounters![/QUOTE]Partly why I keep a journal, to remember how we hooked up. I remember doing a kind of audit (sounds weird I know) when I hit 500 a few years ago to see how many for paid for and how many were not. At the time it was about 75% no cash handed over. I'd guess in the years since it's shifted in the other direction 75/25. I'm just getting too lazy, plus I'm on the road so much swinging isn't as regular. Finally the repeat sessions with regulars that are mostly free don't add to the ultimate numbers, so things are skewed by the amount of one off short timers.

1000 or more is a lot for 1 man I just hope I never have a woman and she said to me congradulations your my 1000 customer want to DATY or just go bareback haha Well maybe I had someone that had that many men I am just glad she did not tell me

[quote=bonkers1;1386928]1000 or more is a lot for 1 man i just hope i never have a woman and she said to me congradulations your my 1000 customer want to daty or just go bareback haha well maybe i had someone that had that many men i am just glad she did not tell me[/quote]many of these girls have much more than 1000. there is a girl at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s in bangkok that has been there several years and i estimate she has sucked about 4, 000 cocks.

i have over 1000 also. at age 58 and doing this for awhile it can add up easily. but, i never get tired of it. i am home now in usa, and banged 2 ladies today from local websites. i actually want more pussy the older i get.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1386843]We swing, together and apart. She can do her own thing too. Strangely enough she usually doesn't. She says she prefers it with me and that it's difficult to find someone safe and sane for a sex only on demand thing. She has one regular guy in his early 20's now, but he's a bit of a punk. Had some regulars before who couldn't handle being nothing more than stunt cock when I was on the road.[/QUOTE]The key point is that she can ride strange stallion dick as hard as John Loftus rode Sir Barton in the Triple Crown. This model of marriage would not work for most mongers. A lot of philandering husbands would absolutely have a stroke if the little wife came home after a long hard ride, her gaping pussy drenched and dripping sperms after a gangbang with some young studs.

I know someone who was actually into that. He would take his imported wife out to swing clubs, let her get wasted and wild. First, it was just swaps with other couples using condoms and being careful. Then it evolved into multiple males on female gangbangs. His only condition was that the guys cover their stumps with latex. Then one day he had to stop filming the action to go take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. When he got back the guys were gone and his wife was slumped over the bed in an alcoholic stupor will gobs of cream pies oozing from her pussy. He was pissed! He cussed her out about it but that was all he could do.

Eventually, she started doing it solo and one of her bulls got her hooked on rocks. She got knocked up in one of her gangbangs, hasn't a clue as to who scored the goal. Well, she insisted on having the baby. The baby is black. Neither she nor he is black. I asked him how he was going to explain the new addition to his family. He said they agreed to tell their parents and other relatives that they adopted a black baby. I still get a good laugh asking him how his youngest son is doing. It seems that he has accepted the baby as his own. That is something open marriage mongers might want to think about. This guy thought he had it all figured but he never saw that one coming. Anyway, he says that he is happy given all that has happened. That is all that matters in the end isn't it?

I put this on the "Cebu" thread but it is probably worth putting here too.

There is a very useful book available from National Book Store called "Understanding Filipino Values, a Management Approach, by Tomas D. Andres.

The book is very useful for people engaged in business dealings in the Philippines, and this is, after all, what we are doing, even if it is "monkey business".

It explains lots of cultural aspects of Filipino behavior but regarding the oft-quoted "it's up to you", he says the following and I think we all should take note of it.

'Foreigners have frequently pointed out that equivocation, 'white lies', and euphemistic discourse to avoid unpleasant truths are characteristically Filipino, making an attempt to not embarrass or displease other persons. The Filipino anticipates and gives the expected answer, avoiding if possible a negative reply.

Hence, a question by a person seeking a positive answer concerning for example the quantity of payment for services rendered will invariably be answered with 'It's up to you. ' '

[QUOTE=Bonkers1;1386928]1000 or more is a lot for 1 man I just hope I never have a woman and she said to me congradulations your my 1000 customer want to DATY or just go bareback haha Well maybe I had someone that had that many men I am just glad she did not tell me[/QUOTE]1000 isn't shit when you consider it is someone's job. How many emails have you sent on your job? Or how many light bulbs have you changed? Or how many customers have you resolved issues for? You have to remember they don't get paid by the hour; they get paid by the dick. The lower the number of dicks they take, the less money they have. And they are there to make money. Do the math, even 1000 dicks is not going to make them rich.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1387010]She got knocked up in one of her gangbangs, hasn't a clue as to who scored the goal. Well, she insisted on having the baby. The baby is black. Neither she nor he is black. I asked him how he was going to explain the new addition to his family. He said they agreed to tell their parents and other relatives that they adopted a black baby. I still get a good laugh asking him how his youngest son is doing. It seems that he has accepted the baby as his own. That is something open marriage mongers might want to think about. This guy thought he had it all figured but he never saw that one coming. Anyway, he says that he is happy given all that has happened. That is all that matters in the end isn't it?[/QUOTE]I the pappy!

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wGzR9udZHk[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUtrEtVHLAA[/url]

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1387010]The key point is that she can ride strange stallion dick as hard as John Loftus rode Sir Barton in the Triple Crown. This model of marriage would not work for most mongers. A lot of philandering husbands would absolutely have a stroke if the little wife came home after a long hard ride, her gaping pussy drenched and dripping sperms after a gangbang with some young studs.[/quote]That's because they're misogynist control freaks and hypocrites, an unfortunately common feature among mongers. Thankfully, I don't suffer this mental disorder.

[quote]I know someone who was actually into that. He would take his imported wife out to swing clubs, let her get wasted and wild. First, it was just swaps with other couples using condoms and being careful. Then it evolved into multiple males on female gangbangs. His only condition was that the guys cover their stumps with latex. Then one day he had to stop filming the action to go take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. When he got back the guys were gone and his wife was slumped over the bed in an alcoholic stupor will gobs of cream pies oozing from her pussy. He was pissed! He cussed her out about it but that was all he could do.

Eventually, she started doing it solo and one of her bulls got her hooked on rocks. She got knocked up in one of her gangbangs, hasn't a clue as to who scored the goal. Well, she insisted on having the baby. The baby is black. Neither she nor he is black. I asked him how he was going to explain the new addition to his family. He said they agreed to tell their parents and other relatives that they adopted a black baby. I still get a good laugh asking him how his youngest son is doing. It seems that he has accepted the baby as his own. That is something open marriage mongers might want to think about. This guy thought he had it all figured but he never saw that one coming. Anyway, he says that he is happy given all that has happened. That is all that matters in the end isn't it?[/QUOTE]Sounds like he was into cuckolding and the despicable world of race play. About as related to the personal freedom in my marriage as heroin is to mary jane.

Thanks for the anecdote!

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1387010]The key point is that she can ride strange stallion dick as hard as John Loftus rode Sir Barton in the Triple Crown. This model of marriage would not work for most mongers. A lot of philandering husbands would absolutely have a stroke if the little wife came home after a long hard ride, her gaping pussy drenched and dripping sperms after a gangbang with some young studs.[/QUOTE]I'm afraid I'm still going to have to go with Rick Rock has one hell of an imagination. Has anyone ever met this character out in the field? My guess is "no."

RR: "Hey, Honey, I got to go to Asia and f*k 30 women in 21 days but you just wait home for me."

RR Wife: "OK Rick you big studly man, I'll be waiting right here when you get back, my pussy all clean and smelling pretty for you." Rick honey, can I have a few dollars until you get back, I know you need it for hookers honey but just enough for food baby."

RR: "Baby, I'm not sure how many hookers I'm going to barfine, why you got to be so selfish." "Aw heck, here's $20, make it last."

RR Wife: "Aww baby, I'm so happy to be married to such a generous man."

Yeah, this is going to work in the good ole USA. Like in every other post our man is out there being the super star stud that he is. He defies life.

And if this is really true, who in the world would want to be married to a woman with so little self asteem to let herself be treated like that. I treat hookers better. Trust me I don't find myself thinking "that guy has it made" more like "that poor woman, what happened to her to let herself be treated like that."

I've always questioned my lifestyle because quite frankly it's a form of addiction, I don't speak for anyone but myself, but if you read the classic definition and look at most monger behavior, it's what it is. I've done a lot of soul searching about it over the years yet I still participate. The lifestyle your talking about defies all sound mental or spiritual ethic. Almost sociopathic. This and your other posts in the forum.

I don't know what's more scary, that someone can make this stuff up, or that someone actually live like this.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja; 1387159]I'm afraid I'm still going to have to go with Rick Rock has one hell of an imagination. Has anyone ever met this character out in the field? My guess is "no."

RR: "Hey, Honey, I got to go to Asia and f*k 30 women in 21 days but you just wait home for me."

RR Wife: "OK Rick you big studly man, I'll be waiting right here when you get back, my pussy all clean and smelling pretty for you." Rick honey, can I have a few dollars until you get back, I know you need it for hookers honey but just enough for food baby."

RR: "Baby, I'm not sure how many hookers I'm going to barfine, why you got to be so selfish." "Aw heck, here's $20, make it last."

RR Wife: "Aww baby, I'm so happy to be married to such a generous man."

Yeah, this is going to work in the good ole USA. Like in every other post our man is out there being the super star stud that he is. He defies life.

And if this is really true, who in the world would want to be married to a woman with so little self asteem to let herself be treated like that. I treat hookers better. Trust me I don't find myself thinking "that guy has it made" more like "that poor woman, what happened to her to let herself be treated like that."

I've always questioned my lifestyle because quite frankly it's a form of addiction, I don't speak for anyone but myself, but if you read the classic definition and look at most monger behavior, it's what it is. I've done a lot of soul searching about it over the years yet I still participate. The lifestyle your talking about defies all sound mental or spiritual ethic. Almost sociopathic. This and your other posts in the forum.

I don't know what's more scary, that someone can make this stuff up, or that someone actually live like this.[/QUOTE]I have met members here, even did a wife swap with one. So yeah, you're totally wrong again (as you are on the "addiction" and most else you post).

Sorry that you can't get laid without paying for, doesn't mean that no one else can. Sorry that you haven't got a good relationship and that you've never experienced the fun of swinging (sure all the millions who do are sociopaths, as were the aristocracies of ancient Rome and Greece who participated in regular orgies).

Sorry too that you think the modern invention of monogamous marriage has anything to do with a natural state of things. Looks to me like you'd be better off reading books than this forum. Maybe you should go to church. You sound like one of the wackos who belongs in one.

Thanks for keeping up on all my posts as usual though. Feels good to have an obsessed fan.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1387177]I have met members here, even did a wife swap with one. So yeah, you're totally wrong again (as you are on the "addiction" and most else you post).

Sorry that you can't get laid without paying for, doesn't mean that no one else can. Sorry that you haven't got a good relationship and that you've never experienced the fun of swinging (sure all the millions who do are sociopaths, as were the aristocracies of ancient Rome and Greece who participated in regular orgies).

Sorry too that you think the modern invention of monogamous marriage has anything to do with a natural state of things. Looks to me like you'd be better off reading books than this forum. Maybe you should go to church. You sound like one of the wackos who belongs in one.

Thanks for keeping up on all my posts as usual though. Feels good to have an obsessed fan.[/QUOTE]You're a legend in your own mind dude. Look at me Look at me! I bet 10K that half the sh*t that spews from your keyboard isn't reality. You're an easy target because you never stop telling people how much you know and how great you are. Problem is you can't keep a good flow a straight story. You're stories are full of holes. You make sh*t up as you go. I just get a kick out of pointing it out. No hard feelings. You're an easy target.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock; 1387119]That's because they're misogynist control freaks and hypocrites, an unfortunately common feature among mongers. Thankfully, I don't suffer this mental disorder.

Sounds like he was into cuckolding and the despicable world of race play. About as related to the personal freedom in my marriage as heroin is to mary jane.[/QUOTE]"Cuckolding," that was the term he used to describe his fetish. His favorite niche was "blacks bulls on white cow." Don't know about any correlations to your marriage. Simply shared the case study with the board just in case anyone is considering entering that lifestyle solely for sexually access to other women outside of their marriage. It's just one example of how things can go wrong. It's not much different from guys who get their wives into bisexual play in order to have threesomes only to lose her to a manipulative bull dike.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1385890]I was in a branch of Jollibees yesterday morning. Sad, I know, but their egg & sausage pandesal rolls are to die for and much superior to those crap McMuffin efforts which always seem to give me indigestion.

Has anyone else noticed how those glorified doormen and table clearers, otherwise known as Filipino security guards are armed but pitifully short on ammo. I always check their otherwise overloaded belts for rounds. Quite often they have no spare bullets at all, but mostly they have one round as this guy did. Once I saw one mad, bad, brave dude guarding the cream cakes at Goldilocks who had two spare bullets on his belt. He sure looked a mean muvver, too. Wouldn't try and run off with a cream bun with him around!

I know that the reason for this is apparently because they have to buy their own ammo themselves out of their pitifully meager wages. I assume that their weapons are loaded (but maybe not) and probably with a single round. So if the outlet was attacked by 3 desperate masked men intent on stealing all the Jolliburgers, our poor guard would be able only to shoot the first one and then would have to invite the other two to play a round of Russian roulette![/QUOTE]Interesting picture with girl wondering why you are taking her picture and the offensive poster behind her head. I have yet to see a McDonalds guard with a gun. I am guessing it is against their policy worldwide.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1387203]You're a legend in your own mind dude. Look at me Look at me! I bet 10K that half the sh*t that spews from your keyboard isn't reality. You're an easy target because you never stop telling people how much you know and how great you are. Problem is you can't keep a good flow a straight story. You're stories are full of holes. You make sh*t up as you go. I just get a kick out of pointing it out. No hard feelings. You're an easy target.[/QUOTE]callignamesHesays

Sorry guys,

Sex is not an effective way to burn calories. Enjoyable of course but not effective.

[url]http://ph.she.yahoo.com/sexercise-burns-paltry-20-calories-per-session-105000327.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1388052]Sorry guys,

Sex is not an effective way to burn calories. Enjoyable of course but not effective.

[url]http://ph.she.yahoo.com/sexercise-burns-paltry-20-calories-per-session-105000327.html[/url]

(from link) a biostatistician at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, tested the "sexercise" theory. That sex can be exercise. But found that sex lasted only SIX MINUTES on average, burning a paltry 20 or so calories[/QUOTE]Finally, a reason to celebrate delayed ejaculation.

[QUOTE=Pete Benetar;1388058]Finally, a reason to celebrate delayed ejaculation.[/QUOTE]Was there ever a reason given not to celebrate it?

I have been hitting the dating sites for my trip next month. Mainly Filipino Cupid. These girls seem much more desperate than the Thai girls.

Many very attractive girls sending me messages. I had 100 interests in the first 2 days.

There are some scams though. I have seen 2 model quality girls listed under several different people. Probably stolen photos being used.

Then, there are the girls that want to chat. I have had 6 very attractive (from the photo) tell me they are Filipino but are in Ghana with their sick mother and need help. WTF? Am I that stupid?

Then, the very atttactive ones that after a few contacts ask for money.

But 90% seem legit. Some very attractive girls willing to meet me. Many more than Thailand sites.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1388396]Mainly Filipino Cupid. Then, there are the girls that want to chat. I have had 6 very attractive (from the photo) tell me they are Filipino but are in Ghana with their si[/QUOTE]Curious how many of the six had more than one photo. One of the reasons I prefer FC is that they / you can post more than one photo and I always have a baseline suspicion of the profiles with only one pic. But maybe I'll start chatting up more of the one pic pinays and look them up next time I'm in Ghana. Most of the internet cafes are chok full of young dudes every time I walk by one in Accra.

Hi everyone!

Planning to visit the PI in late March, but I wanted some recommendations from frequent visitors on stuff other than nightlife. Having a hard time planning because all the best, most famous stuff is really far apart, and everything I research transport, everything is a 12 hour bus ride. No trains. I think that I would cut my own wrists on any bus ride longer than 3 hours. So if I am going to coup myself up in an iron coffin, I want to know if it is worth it.

The Rice Terraces up north. Was thinking about spending a day hiking hiking from Banue to Batad. But the bus ride seems really hard, and nothing else to see or break up the trip along the way. Seems like a long way to go for one day. Worth it?

Donsol. Whale shark snorkelling. This is really what is attracting me to the Phils. And I can fly to Legaspi. Seems like I would have to dedicate a few days to ensure that I would get lucky at least once. Worth it?

Bacuit and Palawan . Far off the main path and no nightlife. But the pictures are "The Beach"-esque and gorgeous. Worth it?

Those are the main three. Also thinking surfing in Siargao, but that's much lower on the list.

Thanks!

It looks like the Wale Shark snokeling is seasonal and there are rules regarding swimming with them.

[url]http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g1016344-d1011868-Reviews-Donsol_Whale_Shark_Interaction-Donsol_Bicol_Region_Luzon.html[/url]

I've been to Palawan a few times and its great for snorkeling, diving and exploring. I brought a girlfriend with me but there is a recent field report about p4p in Coron.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1012-Other-Areas&p=1378630&viewfull=1#post1378630[/url]

I would leave your surfboard at home.

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1389093]Hi everyone!

Planning to visit the PI in late March, but I wanted some recommendations from frequent visitors on stuff other than nightlife. Having a hard time planning because all the best, most famous stuff is really far apart, and everything I research transport, everything is a 12 hour bus ride. No trains. I think that I would cut my own wrists on any bus ride longer than 3 hours. So if I am going to coup myself up in an iron coffin, I want to know if it is worth it.

The Rice Terraces up north. Was thinking about spending a day hiking hiking from Banue to Batad. But the bus ride seems really hard, and nothing else to see or break up the trip along the way. Seems like a long way to go for one day. Worth it?

Donsol. Whale shark snorkelling. This is really what is attracting me to the Phils. And I can fly to Legaspi. Seems like I would have to dedicate a few days to ensure that I would get lucky at least once. Worth it?

Bacuit and Palawan. Far off the main path and no nightlife. But the pictures are "The Beach"-esque and gorgeous. Worth it?

Those are the main three. Also thinking surfing in Siargao, but that's much lower on the list.

Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1389093]Was thinking about spending a day hiking hiking from Banue to Batad.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Bus ride is OK if no unexpected events such as land slides (which in our case added 8 hours to the trip) and if you manage to sleep in a bus (I do).

The actual trip to Batad is among the high points in my life. I thought it was fabulous and well worth the hardship of the bus ride. Guess it's all a matter of personal preferences.

Fred

[QUOTE=Manny51;1389093]The Rice Terraces up north.Donsol. Whale shark snorkelling. Bacuit and Palawan .[/QUOTE]I've experienced and enjoyed all three. Per your stated aversion to long bus rides, would strike Banaue Rice Terraces from the list. In Donsol, I was fortunate to swim 4 or 5 times with the whale sharks during my one-day boat excursion but appears that sightings are hit / miss. My personal favorite has been Palawan and in particular, a 4 day. 3 night banka boat trip from El Nido to Palawan. Didn't score high re booty calls but better than other two destinations. You can "get your end wet" in Puerto Princessa, El Nido and Coron (My FR was cited in previous response to your post, plus I posted another FR re Coron alternative option to Hard Rock.)

Caveat: I've been able to measure my life-long global wanderings in multi-month segments. PI transportation infrastructure doesn't support quick scenery changes. My selection of Palawan is influenced by my attraction to tropical, aquatic settings and relatively uncrowded destinations.

[QUOTE=Pete Benetar;1388410]But maybe I'll start chatting up more of the one pic pinays and look them up next time I'm in Ghana. Most of the internet cafes are chok full of young dudes every time I walk by one in Accra.[/QUOTE]Once I was in Accra and was chatting on an outside site. The person started the sick mother spill and I said cool I am in Accra right now so we can see each other. Their next line was,"Oh. Are you a scammer too?" I told them yes and they were like, "Oh. Sorry."

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1388396]I have been hitting the dating sites for my trip next month. Mainly Filipino Cupid. These girls seem much more desperate than the Thai girls. Many very attractive girls sending me messages. I had 100 interests in the first 2 days.[/QUOTE]I don't think it is a thing of being desperate. I think the Thai girls have less time to be sitting around on the computer than Pinays.

[QUOTE=Fredje1961; 1389130]Bus ride is OK if no unexpected events such as land slides (which in our case added 8 hours to the trip) and if you manage to sleep in a bus (I do).

The actual trip to Batad is among the high points in my life. I thought it was fabulous and well worth the hardship of the bus ride. Guess it's all a matter of personal preferences.

Fred[/QUOTE]And then again, I was in BANAO (yes, BANAO) around the same general vicinity, and was told Tabuk et al are the hot beds of NPA LOL.

My 'guide' refused to let me even think of heading up to Tabuk. And well, seriously, when I was walking around Banao, every other vehicle passing by stopped or slowed down to see who this stranger was. And my local friends said that they are all keeping an eye for strangers. NPA has had a profound effect on them it seems.

I may not invented sth but this is maby a good ideanif you don't like beeing stopped by beggars, small children wanting money, cialis salesmen, propertysalesmen and it like.

Ijust walk in the middle of the street where they can not reach you. Traffic moves so slowly anyhow so this have encountered no problem at all but ofcourse easiest if you walk towards traffic. Much more relaxing atleast in the neighbourhood of riviera mansion. I felt more safe walking here than on the narrow curbs with additional disturbance.

[QUOTE=Riddler;1389260]I've experienced and enjoyed all three. PI transportation infrastructure doesn't support quick scenery changes. My selection of Palawan is influenced by my attraction to tropical, aquatic settings and relatively uncrowded destinations.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your input, and I also noticed what seems to be poor transportation infrastructure. Its weird. On a map, sometimes things are only 100 miles apart, and yet when I research it, the transit time is 8 hours or more. In the US, that's 1. 5 hours on the highway. Moving from one point to the next always seems to take a day. It seems like just seeing 3-4 highlights in the PI will take 2 weeks or more. I know that travel books like Lonely Planet can hype things up. I can't imagine spending all that time on a bus just to be let down when I get there. That's why I wanted direct input from actual fellow travellers. I may have to dump the PI and focus my trip on just Malaysia, but I really want to see those whale sharks. The pictures are spectacular. I find it hard to imagine that as a let down.

BTW, what is the quality of these long distance buses? I assume that there is aircon. Are they spacious, or are you scrunched up shoulder to shoulder? Do they have toilets in the bus? Are they clean or gross? Are the seats comfortable enough to sleep in? I assume that its a modern bus and not one of those central american chicken buses.

I heard that many of the roads are bumpy. I imagine it would be hard to sleep. It must be terrible spending all night awake on a bumpy bus. It ruins your next day.

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1389093]Donsol. Whale shark snorkelling. This is really what is attracting me to the Phils. And I can fly to Legaspi. Seems like I would have to dedicate a few days to ensure that I would get lucky at least once. Worth it?

Bacuit and Palawan. Far off the main path and no nightlife. But the pictures are "The Beach"-esque and gorgeous. Worth it?

Those are the main three. Also thinking surfing in Siargao, but that's much lower on the list.

Thanks![/QUOTE]If you want a great diving location near Manila, you might consider Puerto Galera. It's only 3 hours away and the diving is as good as anything you will find in the Philippines. You take a bus to Batangas and then a ferry across to Sabang beach. The advantage is a small but very adequate nightclub scene there. The combination of girls and diving is unusual in Phils. It's much cheaper than highly developed locations like Bohol also. Just an idea.

Or you can put your ipod in your ears to block out ALL the noise. Works for me. Also walk like you are on a mission (to find p*why) of course!

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1389438]I may not invented sth but this is maby a good ideanif you don't like beeing stopped by beggars, small children wanting money, cialis salesmen, propertysalesmen and it like.

Ijust walk in the middle of the street where they can not reach you. Traffic moves so slowly anyhow so this have encountered no problem at all but ofcourse easiest if you walk towards traffic. Much more relaxing atleast in the neighbourhood of riviera mansion. I felt more safe walking here than on the narrow curbs with additional disturbance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=D Cups;1389553]Or you can put your ipod in your ears to block out ALL the noise. Works for me. Also walk like you are on a mission (to find p*why) of course![/QUOTE]That would violate the anti bling PI rule, making yourself a target.

Perhaps a 100 peso transistor radio with 40 peso headphones would be an exception.

At least if they are piched your whole world is not lost, unlike your hotel safe being cleaned out.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1389596]That would violate the anti bling PI rule, making yourself a target.

Perhaps a 100 peso transistor radio with 40 peso headphones would be an exception.

At least if they are piched your whole world is not lost, unlike your hotel safe being cleaned out.[/QUOTE]But I would rather have my ears in "Listening Mode" so I can be alerted in case some fast foot steps approach. Than have my ears blocked out.

Solution? Stay away from Manila. Stick to. Baguio? Or Basco? Or. Such places LOL

[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1389767]But I would rather have my ears in "Listening Mode" so I can be alerted in case some fast foot steps approach. Than have my ears blocked out.

Solution? Stay away from Manila. Stick to. Baguio? Or Basco? Or. Such places LOL[/QUOTE]ET.

He has been told on various threads to stay away as he is a paranoid wimp who appears to be afraid of shadows but he ignores all this advice. So when he FRs on being mugged we all know what to say LOL

[QUOTE=Riddler; 1389260]I've experienced and enjoyed all three. Per your stated aversion to long bus rides, would strike Banaue Rice Terraces from the list. In Donsol, I was fortunate to swim 4 or 5 times with the whale sharks during my one-day boat excursion but appears that sightings are hit / miss. My personal favorite has been Palawan and in particular, a 4 day. 3 night banka boat trip from El Nido to Palawan.

Caveat: I've been able to measure my life-long global wanderings in multi-month segments. PI transportation infrastructure doesn't support quick scenery changes. My selection of Palawan is influenced by my attraction to tropical, aquatic settings and relatively uncrowded destinations.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your input. So you are able to take multi-month trips? You must be retired and living it up. That's great.

Do you think that I am making a mistake by skipping the rice terraces? On every tourism guide book, it is on page 1. Are the buses modern, with reclining seats and AC? Or are they central american style chicken buses?

Thanks

Manny51, I suggest you go to websites such as flyertalk.com or tripadvisor and read about tourism activities in the Philippines. Most ISG forum members concentrate on other pursuits.

I've been to Banue Rice Rerraces. It is beautiful but a very long and bumpy bus ride.

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1390005]Thanks for your input. So you are able to take multi-month trips? You must be retired and living it up. That's great.

Do you think that I am making a mistake by skipping the rice terraces? On every tourism guide book, it is on page 1. Are the buses modern, with reclining seats and AC? Or are they central american style chicken buses?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1389767]But I would rather have my ears in "Listening Mode" so I can be alerted in case some fast foot steps approach. Than have my ears blocked out.

Solution? Stay away from Manila. Stick to. Baguio? Or Basco? Or. Such places LOL[/QUOTE]I'd also like my ears to be able to hear if a hot chick is calling me over.

I'd rather not have my hotel safe broken into as Luvpuss claims occurred to him in Vietnam.

I don't know about Basco, but Baguio sounds like it has potential:

"In popular tourist destination Baguio City, up to 3, 000 prostitutes are believed to be working the sex trade."

[url]http://www.havocscope.com/number-of-prostitutes-in-baguio-city-philippines/[/url]

"Baguio is a university town with 141, 088 students out of the 301, 926 population count done on the year 2007."

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baguio[/url]

Benguet

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1389596]That would violate the anti bling PI rule, making yourself a target.

Perhaps a 100 peso transistor radio with 40 peso headphones would be an exception.

At least if they are piched your whole world is not lost, unlike your hotel safe being cleaned out.[/QUOTE]I don't know why you guys keep replying to the Gay Pearl. You know he can't pull the trigger and come to the PI. He's a total academic. Its just mind games he's playing. Time and again, I see these posters with their thoughtful responses to the Pearl, meanwhile he's on the beach in Cancun or somewhere, with his wife an 5 kidz, laughing his ass off. Everything he says has been gleaned from the 'real posts' that the real mongers post here. After reading enough of them, the Pearl passes himself off as if he knew the PI intimately like everyone else. The more you treat this guy as being legitimate, the more he will shat on you.

Yo Pearl! If you really want to come to the PI, consider me a friend. Yup, thas right. Come on over. We'll meet up in Malate somewhere. I'll show you the ropes. First though, I"ll need some I'd. Bring some money too because I'll need to know that you have enough for your trip. Probably we'll have to do that down one of the alleyways off Mabini or Faura where its quiet. I'll have to give you a physical too, to make sure you're up to the demands of the trip. Don't worry, it won't be too invasive. After that we'll be set.

Pearl, you can't be too careful. There's some strange characters here, what with the Stunts, Kilts Xmen etc all plyin there trades. Stay close to me.

Your friend,

Don

[QUOTE=Wazoo;1389552]If you want a great diving location near Manila, you might consider Puerto Galera. It's only 3 hours away and the diving is as good as anything you will find in the Philippines. You take a bus to Batangas and then a ferry across to Sabang beach. The advantage is a small but very adequate nightclub scene there. The combination of girls and diving is unusual in Phils. It's much cheaper than highly developed locations like Bohol also. Just an idea.[/QUOTE]Bohol is highly developed? Have you ever visited Bohol?

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1389596]That would violate the anti bling PI rule, making yourself a target.

Perhaps a 100 peso transistor radio with 40 peso headphones would be an exception.

At least if they are piched your whole world is not lost, unlike your hotel safe being cleaned out.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1389927]ET.

He has been told on various threads to stay away as he is a paranoid wimp who appears to be afraid of shadows but he ignores all this advice. So when he FRs on being mugged we all know what to say LOL[/QUOTE]I agree with WR. Pink has very limited experience in the Philippines or is still in the planning stages of his first visit. He knows only what others tell him and seems scared of his own shadow.

I know a few expats that walk around daily wearing very high-end watches (including myself) and never had a problem. *knock on wood*

[QUOTE=Riddler;1389260]My personal favorite has been Palawan and in particular, a 4 day. 3 night banka boat trip from El Nido to Palawan.[/QUOTE]Umm, El Nido is in Palawan.

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88;1390180]Umm, El Nido is in Palawan.[/QUOTE]. Or at least for catching the typo. Meant to type "Coron" instead of Palawan but in any case was a good experience.

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1390005]Thanks for your input. So you are able to take multi-month trips? You must be retired and living it up. That's great.

Do you think that I am making a mistake by skipping the rice terraces? On every tourism guide book, it is on page 1. Are the buses modern, with reclining seats and AC? Or are they central american style chicken buses?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Mixed reasons enable (d) (s) me to do longer time period trips. Worked outside my home country on contracts, taking time off between jobs to travel plus had couple of jobs that were seasonal, with 6 months off per year. Had about 10 years of "retirement along the way." Took early retirement about 3 years ago as I didn't want to deal with the numerous Federal agencies that were eating up my life. Felt like I was living in a Kafka novel and pulled the plug.

Busses I rode were somewhere in between the two but don't expect anything luxurious. I broke my trip up into segments, so only spent around a max of 5 to 6 hours on any leg. No idea if you're making a mistake. WALDT=We All Like Different Things. Thought the caveat section in original post explained my preferences.

[QUOTE=Riddler;1390309]. Or at least for catching the typo. Meant to type "Coron" instead of Palawan but in any case was a good experience.[/QUOTE]I was wondering about that too. But then you mentioned the boat ride being 4 days so it threw me off. When I was in Coron last year the boat ride to El Nido was 11 hours I think.

It's possible that he meant "highly developed" when it comes to Diving. And relative to places like, oh, Leyte, I'd say the place is Developed. I had a hell of a time getting change for a 500 peso bill in Ormoc.

Maybe Stroker Ace can give a FR about Bohol. I've been to the usual tourist places on Bohol, but if I had more time I'd love to explore the island. How about a FR Stroker!

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88;1390168]Bohol is highly developed? Have you ever visited Bohol?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1390368]I was wondering about that too. But then you mentioned the boat ride being 4 days so it threw me off. When I was in Coron last year the boat ride to El Nido was 11 hours I think.[/QUOTE]. Was a brain fart.

My trip was on a banka, island hopping and eating tons of fresh seafood, snorkeling, etc. (pic 1)

Saw a combo cargo / passenger boat in El Nido, think those and pure pax boats take about 11 hours. (pic 2 Buffalo Boat)

[QUOTE=Dashing Don; 1390164]Yo Pearl! If you really want to come to the PI, consider me a friend. Yup, thas right. Come on over. We'll meet up in Malate somewhere. I'll show you the ropes.

< SNIP . .

Pearl, you can't be too careful. There's some strange characters here, what with the Stunts, Kilts Xmen etc all plyin there trades. Stay close to me.

Your friend,

Don[/QUOTE]That's funny Don."Plyin our trade". Love it.

Be careful what you wish for though, although I guess the chances of the Pearl actually coming to the Phils are fairly remote.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1390679]I guess the chances of the Pearl actually coming to the Phils are fairly remote.[/QUOTE]In another FR he said he had never been within a 1000 miles of AC but was in Asia. As someone said he is likely a one handed typist in the USA fantasising about Asia and finding reasons to tell his macho mates why he can't go there.

He is also scared of his shadow

[QUOTE=David_33;1390013]Manny51, I suggest you go to websites such as flyertalk.com or tripadvisor and read about tourism activities in the Philippines. Most ISG forum members concentrate on other pursuits.[/QUOTE]I am asking here because I feel that, precisely because members of this community travel for "other reasons," that they are more level-headed and objective about evaluating tourist sites. Forums like tripadvisor are full of travel gushers who want to wax poetic about their once a year two week vacation and don't necessarily give you the straight story. They are biased about saying that they enjoyed something because they want to believe that they enjoyed something. Plus, it isn't PC to say that a famous site in another country is disappointing. For obvious reasons, people in this forum community are not overly PC.

And I posted this in the "General Info" section, which I think is more than appropriate.

[QUOTE=Manny51;1390948]I am asking here because I feel that, precisely because members of this community travel for "other reasons," that they are more level-headed and objective about evaluating tourist sites.[/QUOTE]Tourist sites? In PI? Yeah right. Dude when you are on a plane to PI you will see that 98% of the people are Filipino, 1% Kano businessmen, and 1% guys coming for women (whether monger or non-monger). That should tell you that PI is not a tourism destination. But when I do travel around PI and see non-natives then they are usually A) divers like myself, B) backpackers, or C) a combination of A and B. I just got back from Dumaguete and out of the water there were no sites to see. I think a lot of the backpackers where I was staying were getting dive qualified because there was nothing else to do.

I have been in Manila I think 5 times, no sites to see there either. Last year in Cebu I got up my last day and had a taxi take me to the El Nino Church. From there I was able to walk to the Magellan Cross and the Fort and all the site seeing took me about 1 hour. If you are going to PI for tourism then you will be sadly disappointed.

As I have said before, my first time going there I was in a group of 3 guys and 1 woman. We flew in to Manila after a couple of days in Hong Kong. The woman was so bored to death in Manila after a couple of hours that she was out of there to Thailand that same night.

As David said if you want to know about tourist things then visit tripadvisor. That is where I get all of my info from. I go in and pick from the top 10 things. Many of the people there are objective about their experience. Pretty much the ones you have to watch out for are rookie travelers. Things could go either way with them. They could be so happy to have gone somewhere that they feel everything was perfect, or they could expect the rest of the world to be the same as where they came from and when it is not then they are sorely disappointed in everything.

unwarranted scrutiny to come. .

[url]http://abcnews.go.com/international/americans-targeted-allegedly-running-****-prostitution-philippines/story?id=18582802[/url]

[quote=almotu; 1391484]unwarranted scrutiny to come. .

[url]http://abcnews.go.com/international/americans-targeted-allegedly-running-****-prostitution-philippines/story?id=18582802[/url][/quote]nothing to see here. people looking for sponsors, come election time, and i bet is our friend didn't pay up, or paid the wrong guy.

mr enternational: i been to philippines a dozen plus plus times, and have been to nice touristy spots, spots that don't get advertised and are nice and safe and heck, the natives may even pay you if you lost your stuff-kind of safe. not kidding.

for example. boracay is overrun with tourists, but caramaon island is sparsly touched. and nicer and plenty dive spots and peace. ifugaue is overrun with tourists and all things touristy, head to banao, and you are in a serene place and see nice rice terraces and get taken care by natives. and likewise, head to batanas, el nido etc.

the problem is, the phil govt wants to promote only places where their cronies have sunk money. all others are neglected. or fiercely protected by other investors who fight for privacy, like the amanpulo resorts. and who's main clients are their own croneis or high fliers, so to say.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1390969]Tourist sites? In PI? Yeah right.[/QUOTE]I have to disagree. There are plenty of sights to see in PI, but it really helps to have a trustworthy local to guide you. I have friends in the Davao area who showed me a many interesting and off the beaten path sights down there. In Cebu I got bored of the girls one day and asked the hotel to get me a driver to show me sites like the Taoist Temple, the view at Tops, etc. Again, decent sights that I would have never seen on my own. Friends around Manila took me on a drive out of the city to Tagatay, Lake Taal, People's Park in the Sky, etc.

PI has its own character. Some people like it, some people don't, but I generally recommend a visit even to my non-mongering friends that enjoy rougher travel outside of your typical westernized, sterilized vacation spots.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1390679]That's funny Don."Plyin our trade". Love it.

Be careful what you wish for though, although I guess the chances of the Pearl actually coming to the Phils are fairly remote.[/QUOTE]Yeah Red, I think you're right, but what is worse than him actually physically coming to the Phils is him infecting the Phils board. Funny thing is that his writing style is familiar ie the nitpicking, fake soliticiousness and touchiness, but I can't put my finger on it. He might be a banned poster back under a new name. Its very difficult to change your 'voice' so to speak. Sometimes for a laugh I'll try to write 'black' but I'm told its ridiculously obvious. In any event, the olive branch is still extended for the Pearl should he ever arrive.

[QUOTE=Irony Monger; 1391563]I have to disagree. There are plenty of sights to see in PI, but it really helps to have a trustworthy local to guide you. I have friends in the Davao area who showed me a many interesting and off the beaten path sights down there. In Cebu I got bored of the girls one day and asked the hotel to get me a driver to show me sites like the Taoist Temple, the view at Tops, etc. Again, decent sights that I would have never seen on my own. Friends around Manila took me on a drive out of the city to Tagatay, Lake Taal, People's Park in the Sky, etc.

PI has its own character. Some people like it, some people don't, but I generally recommend a visit even to my non-mongering friends that enjoy rougher travel outside of your typical westernized, sterilized vacation spots.[/QUOTE]I agree. There are things to see here. The problem is that the country has done such a poor job of promoting itself as a tourist destination, and an even worse jof of providing the tourism infrastructure needed to maximize the advantages that it has. The fact that there's so little investment in the Tourism Sector means the curious travel is left to ferret out sites on his own. Contrast this to Thailand, which offers almost countless, easy ways of "packaging" tours and which has created the needed infrastructure to make travel as easy as possible.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1392387]I agree. There are things to see here. The problem is that the country has done such a poor job of promoting itself as a tourist destination, and an even worse jof of providing the tourism infrastructure needed to maximize the advantages that it has. The fact that there's so little investment in the Tourism Sector means the curious travel is left to ferret out sites on his own. Contrast this to Thailand, which offers almost countless, easy ways of "packaging" tours and which has created the needed infrastructure to make travel as easy as possible.

GE[/QUOTE]See my post as well! LOL.

And it is normal practice for Filipino tour agencies to plan a 5 hour drive.purpotedly showing the scenery, to reach a place that you finish in 1 hour and then miraculously the return is only 1 hour. And when you question it comes out that they know we want a round the world tour that show us stuff that has no interest, than take us directly to the destination. One example is the quite often organised tour in Peurto Galera.

Same to the Underground river. I will stop at that.

Now I ask the guys which is the shortest and insist they take us on the shortest path, than stop in front of a 50 feet high waterfall and let us marvel about the 'tall waterfall in the island' when I have seen waterfalls much much much taller than that.

Of course DD never hides behind his provocations. Big man that he is. Keeps the same old name, never contributes to the PI threads as far as I can tell, but somehow ingratiates himself among some members, allowing himself to be his usual (a few adjectives omitted) self. Good to see you here again DD. What have you contributed today? We missed you.

[QUOTE=Dashing Don;1392369]Yeah Red, I think you're right, but what is worse than him actually physically coming to the Phils is him infecting the Phils board. Funny thing is that his writing style is familiar ie the nitpicking, fake soliticiousness and touchiness, but I can't put my finger on it. He might be a banned poster back under a new name. Its very difficult to change your 'voice' so to speak. Sometimes for a laugh I'll try to write 'black' but I'm told its ridiculously obvious. In any event, the olive branch is still extended for the Pearl should he ever arrive.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1392387]I agree. There are things to see here. The problem is that the country has done such a poor job of promoting itself as a tourist destination, and an even worse jof of providing the tourism infrastructure needed to maximize the advantages that it has. The fact that there's so little investment in the Tourism Sector means the curious travel is left to ferret out sites on his own.[/QUOTE]I saw some statistics last week during a seminar (from Dept of Tourism representative) that showed that domestic tourism (that is, locals travelling around the Philippines) is DOUBLE that of international tourists staying in resorts etc.

The numbers were surprising to me.

He observed that businesses will not spend too much on infrastructure outside of the major centres while ever they are catering to an essentially local market.

Despite many urgings such as "If you build it, they will come", investors are not yet prepared to spend the billions needed to upgrade most of the features that are stunning but difficult to access. Locals don't care because they have low expectations and so they travel around anyway, and "rough international travellers" enjoy the sharp edges, but they are a very very small market. The other well-heeled but less adventurous tourists stay in Manila (if they come at all).

He also showed some rather interesting statistics (on a power point slide and I couldn't get a copy) that compared the numbers of male and female international tourists, and the numbers of married couples visiting. The number of female visitors correlated closely with the number of married couples, or, most females who visited were accompanied by the husband.

However, the figures showed that there were many more "single" male tourists entering the country, and quite markedly so.

He invited the audience to speculate on what this meant and, of course, the conclusion from these "raw" figures suggested that "sex tourism" was indeed happening in the country. He agreed but indicated more analysis of the data needed to be done, and suggested (with a smile) that it may simply be the influx of Japanese and Korean men coming to play golf around Clark and Cebu that has inflated the numbers. I think he winked at a few of us men when he said this.

I think, it is time to merge the Cebu forums into the main forum. Not too much usage there like it was before. My $0. 02

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1392929]I think, it is time to merge the Cebu forums into the main forum. Not too much usage there like it was before. My $0. 02[/QUOTE]For sure, re-instate it to what it was. Current set up is a can of Spaghetti. Three main threads is enough, Nightlife, Hotels, Other, and in the main forum, yes.

An interesting read as while the economy is on the rise and the stoclk market improves this does noithing for the family whose cutie you maybe shagging. She / tehy will still need economic help.

[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/philippines-elite-swallow-countrys-new-wealth[/url]

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1393631]An interesting read as while the economy is on the rise and the stoclk market improves this does noithing for the family whose cutie you maybe shagging. She / tehy will still need economic help.

[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/philippines-elite-swallow-countrys-new-wealth[/url][/QUOTE]One of the most illustrative reads I've seen on the PI and many thanks for sharing WR. On the general issue of wealth distribution dynamics, that data point reinforces why the PI remains so destitute in general and perhaps at least in part why the USA itself is in regression.

<<From the article: He presented data showing that in 2011 the 40 richest families on the Forbes wealth list accounted for 76 percent of the country's gross domestic product (GDP) growth. This was the highest in Asia, compared with Thailand where the top 40 accounted for 33. 7 percent of wealth growth. 5.6 percent for Malaysia and just 2. 8 percent for Japan

According to the Forbes 2012 annual rich list, the two wealthiest people in the Philippines, ethnic Chinese magnates Henry Sy and Lucio Tan, were worth a combined $13. 6 billion. This equated to six percent of the entire Philippine economy.>>

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1393631]An interesting read as while the economy is on the rise and the stoclk market improves this does noithing for the family whose cutie you maybe shagging. She / tehy will still need economic help.

[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/philippines-elite-swallow-countrys-new-wealth[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks for the read WR. It takes time though. There is new money flowing to the people whom are moving to the new economy. Will the cigarette seller and bus driver in any country make much money. No. You what of the new generation that are filling the call centres and outsourcing agencies? Their incomes are many times what could have previously been earned. As that income moves into the economy it does good.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1393631]An interesting read as while the economy is on the rise and the stoclk market improves this does noithing for the family whose cutie you maybe shagging. She / tehy will still need economic help.

[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/philippines-elite-swallow-countrys-new-wealth[/url][/QUOTE]One of the things that would be good is a lowering birthrate.less mouths to feed from the export incomes. I like Gapminder for comparing the progress of countries (in this case I compared Thailand, Vietnam and Philippines. For the first two countries, the GDP per head takes a dramatic turn once the birthrate gets to 2. 2 per woman. Philippines is making progress towards this, so the upturn is inevitable.

As any good economist will note, I did make a prediction but I have not given a time frame!

BD

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1393631]An interesting read as while the economy is on the rise and the stoclk market improves this does noithing for the family whose cutie you maybe shagging. She / tehy will still need economic help.

[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/philippines-elite-swallow-countrys-new-wealth[/url][/QUOTE]Seems the rich are getting even richer now with the new casino / resorts opening near Mall of Asia.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1393059]For sure, re-instate it to what it was. Current set up is a can of Spaghetti. Three main threads is enough, Nightlife, Hotels, Other, and in the main forum, yes.[/QUOTE]Looks like our suggestion is going to deaf ears.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1393059]Current set up is a can of Spaghetti.[/QUOTE]Cebuana Spaghetti not so bad;

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2446-Photo-Gallery&p=1387566&viewfull=1#post1387566[/url]

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1395263]Looks like our suggestion is going to deaf ears.[/QUOTE]Total of 20 separate threads for Cebu. As an example I see there is a Golf Course thread for Cebu. Apparently with Cebu, guys can start their own thread. Recipe for disaster. Might start a new thread in Cebu called Tennis Courts, LOL.

Result, little bit of info here, little bit there. You have to click all threads if you want to make sure you don't miss out on something. Unsatisfactory. At least with three main threads you can quickly scroll past stuff of no interest. Imagine if that kind of mayhem was allowed with the Manila or Angeles thread. So why is it allowed with Cebu?

Manila a huge city compared to Cebu has only 5 threads, is manageable, and gets along fine. Angeles with 12, 000 plus reports has only one thread, and for me, the best one to use. Cebu has approximately 7, 000 posts, divided into 20 threads, and as a result, the most unnattractive thread to use.

How about you start a Table Tennis thread in the Cebu Forum? LOL

I am heading for Cebu at the end of the month. I am arriving at 8:45 pm in Manila airport. I know that the Manila airport has a nasty reputation as one of Asia's worst airports. Many say that there are slow, impossible lines and Terminal 1 is a mess. However, others say that the lines are not so slow if you arrive at a time when not much traffic comes in. As I really, really want to get to Cebu as soon as possible, I booked a flight that takes off at 10:35 pm. Do I have a snowball's chance in hell of making that flight?

The plan is to take a taxi rather than a shuttle to Terminal 3 which would save a lot of time. Also, the hope is that 8:45 pm is a relatively slower time which would allow for getting through passport control, get my bag, and go through customs quicker. Am I crazy or do I stand a chance?

I didn't know where to post this and so I thought this would be the place.

Salamat. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist; 1395357]I am heading for Cebu at the end of the month. I am arriving at 8:45 pm in Manila airport. I know that the Manila airport has a nasty reputation as one of Asia's worst airports. Many say that there are slow, impossible lines and Terminal 1 is a mess. However, others say that the lines are not so slow if you arrive at a time when not much traffic comes in. As I really, really want to get to Cebu as soon as possible, I booked a flight that takes off at 10:35 pm. Do I have a snowball's chance in hell of making that flight?

The plan is to take a taxi rather than a shuttle to Terminal 3 which would save a lot of time. Also, the hope is that 8:45 pm is a relatively slower time which would allow for getting through passport control, get my bag, and go through customs quicker. Am I crazy or do I stand a chance?

I didn't know where to post this and so I thought this would be the place.

Salamat. Thanks![/QUOTE]Think you better think about stay the night, as its just to fine, as most flights in at evening are late and then if the flight is full and you at the back it will take for ever to get through.

There's probably a reason you didn't do it, but didn't cost me much more to fly direct into cebu. Just stopped in Guam for refuel. Phil Air. Nice flight.

[QUOTE=Paulr1950;1395366]Think you better think about stay the night, as its just to fine, as most flights in at evening are late and then if the flight is full and you at the back it will take for ever to get through[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist; 1395357]I am heading for Cebu at the end of the month. I am arriving at 8:45 pm in Manila airport. I know that the Manila airport has a nasty reputation as one of Asia's worst airports. Many say that there are slow, impossible lines and Terminal 1 is a mess. However, others say that the lines are not so slow if you arrive at a time when not much traffic comes in. As I really, really want to get to Cebu as soon as possible, I booked a flight that takes off at 10:35 pm. Do I have a snowball's chance in hell of making that flight?

The plan is to take a taxi rather than a shuttle to Terminal 3 which would save a lot of time. Also, the hope is that 8:45 pm is a relatively slower time which would allow for getting through passport control, get my bag, and go through customs quicker. Am I crazy or do I stand a chance?

I didn't know where to post this and so I thought this would be the place.

Salamat. Thanks![/QUOTE]My best bet would be "no you don't have a chance". Things don't run smoothly in T-1 and you are low on time. Only 5 airplanes arrives at T-1 between 8 to 9pm (2 big 1 Singapore Airlines B772 and 1 Air Niuginu B767 (Port Moresby). The rest is A320's. If you arrive a bit early and ahead of the 2 big airplanes maby but still just maby. Your biggest disadvantage is transportation between terminals. This is terrible unefficiant and will take you probably atleast 30minutes (after you have been through immigration, baggage claim and customs. Probably with good fortune also atleast 30 minutes) if you are lucky with traffic. After my exp only between 3 to 5 am traffic is light to normal in Manila. But on the positive side when you first are at T-3 it is the best terminal (I have never been through T-4 though).

I guess you have to crash at T-3 and get the CEBU Pacific flight at 4:20am to CEB.

You could ofcourse bribe an airportofficial driving one of those "follow me" cars to drive you across the tarmac (then it is not so far and you will probably make it) but this I write with a humoristic twist ofcourse.

Hello all.

I was in the phils for 2 weeks and had a limited experiences, weird I know. Only 2 girls repeatedly both kind of "girlfriends" although only 1 I had to tell I loved, I felt bad as I never ever lie for sex.

Anyways I had allot of sex with both and both got good old Pussy infections NOT std's but yeast infections (both went to the Doc) from their little pussies being torn up. I am clean and std free but this happens often, any comments or counsel?

Secondly it seems every time I return I get a chest infection and I love to eat thier little pussies.

Any one explored their ailments further? I am not one to run to a Doctor, but my cock kind of smells now.

HMMMMM.

Pinay Pounder.

[quote=pinaypounder; 1395378]hello all.

i was in the phils for 2 weeks and had a limited experiences, weird i know. only 2 girls repeatedly both kind of "girlfriends" although only 1 i had to tell i loved, i felt bad as i never ever lie for sex.

anyways i had allot of sex with both and both got good old pussy infections not std's but yeast infections (both went to the doc) from their little pussies being torn up. i am clean and std free but this happens often, any comments or counsel?

secondly it seems every time i return i get a chest infection and i love to eat thier little pussies.

any one explored their ailments further? i am not one to run to a doctor, but my cock kind of smells now.

hmmmmm.

pinay pounder.[/quote]after year of pinay mongering i have had the ocassional " freebie i'm in pain when i [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]. you are the only guy i had sex with, why does it hurt " emails or calls. always its just a pre-existing yeast infection thats returned.

girls don't know anything about their bodies and certainly their parents don't teach them anything (and the church, bless its little red shoes and its cardinals who like a bit of **** buggery, doesn't want them to know anything) so these kind of things tend to suprise them. when the doc tells them that their pussies are warm and wet and ideal for promoting yeast growth unless regularly washed and cleaned etc its often a bit of a suprise for them.

never had any chest infections tho. but as i live in beijing (worlds most polluted city contender) who knows what other good things are preventing chest infections lol.

Do you know Who is the moderator of the Phil forums including Cebu?

[QUOTE=Sxxxx; 1395348]Total of 20 separate threads for Cebu. As an example I see there is a Golf Course thread for Cebu. Apparently with Cebu, guys can start their own thread. Recipe for disaster. Might start a new thread in Cebu called Tennis Courts, LOL.

Result, little bit of info here, little bit there. You have to click all threads if you want to make sure you don't miss out on something. Unsatisfactory. At least with three main threads you can quickly scroll past stuff of no interest. Imagine if that kind of mayhem was allowed with the Manila or Angeles thread. So why is it allowed with Cebu?

Manila a huge city compared to Cebu has only 5 threads, is manageable, and gets along fine. Angeles with 12, 000 plus reports has only one thread, and for me, the best one to use. Cebu has approximately 7, 000 posts, divided into 20 threads, and as a result, the most unnattractive thread to use.

How about you start a Table Tennis thread in the Cebu Forum? LOL[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1395588]Do you know Who is the moderator of the Phil forums including Cebu?[/QUOTE]It is Jackson of course so address this to him.

But I disagree as I like the Cebu forum as it is now, but I wish guys would not create their own threads.

Before it was separated it was hard to get a quick view on the information so I prefer it as it is now albeit with a few less threads.

So see what J thinks R

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1395621]It is Jackson of course so address this to him.

But I disagree as I like the Cebu forum as it is now, but I wish guys would not create their own threads.

Before it was separated it was hard to get a quick view on the information so I prefer it as it is now albeit with a few less threads.[/QUOTE]I agree with WR. Perfectly Ok as it is. Leave it be

[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1395637]I agree with WR. Perfectly Ok as it is. Leave it be[/QUOTE]Right now the Cebu forum is having a thousand flowers bloom. This is fine when a group is figuring out what they want to do. However, at some point someone needs to step in and do some gardening. I think the "Main Forum Threads" part looks good, and below in the "User Threads" there are a few nice flowers in a big bed of weeds. In the not too distant future Jackson may want to lock the user section down, pick the 3-5 threads that actually have meaningful content and useful longevity, then move the rest into a "Misc" thread. That's my two cents.

Is he the moderator of the mail Philippines forum too?

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger; 1395621]It is Jackson of course so address this to him.

But I disagree as I like the Cebu forum as it is now, but I wish guys would not create their own threads.

Before it was separated it was hard to get a quick view on the information so I prefer it as it is now albeit with a few less threads.

So see what J thinks R[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1395739]Is he the moderator of the mail Philippines forum too?[/QUOTE]? Not sure how to answer this, maybe Jackson can let Mbsl65 know that he runs the ENTIRE ISG site so is the Moderator of Moderators (like the Godfather of all Godfathers Mbsl65).

[QUOTE=Irony Monger; 1395646]Right now the Cebu forum is having a thousand flowers bloom. This is fine when a group is figuring out what they want to do. However, at some point someone needs to step in and do some gardening.

There are a few nice flowers in a big bed of weeds. In the not too distant future Jackson may want to lock the user section down, pick the 3-5 threads that actually have meaningful content and useful longevity, then move the rest into a "Misc" thread. That's my two cents.[/QUOTE]I agree I'm and why not let him know as I have

The Cebu forum is good and why mend what is not broken but a little tinkering on the side could make it look and feel better. Before it was separated the Cebu thread was a jumble, a real mess and J did all a favour by starting a new section. Like anything we can look back and make a few improvements maybe but remooving it it entirely is not one of them.

And it take no time to get to the Cebu link so if this a hassle for some they clearly lead such busy lives they should not be on the forum.

Maybe a Cebu moderator is required to help as those do exist elsewhere on the board

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder; 1395378]Hello all.

I was in the phils for 2 weeks and had a limited experiences, weird I know. Only 2 girls repeatedly both kind of "girlfriends" although only 1 I had to tell I loved, I felt bad as I never ever lie for sex.

Anyways I had allot of sex with both and both got good old Pussy infections NOT std's but yeast infections (both went to the Doc) from their little pussies being torn up. I am clean and std free but this happens often, any comments or counsel?

Secondly it seems every time I return I get a chest infection and I love to eat thier little pussies.

Any one explored their ailments further? I am not one to run to a Doctor, but my cock kind of smells now.

HMMMMM.

Pinay Pounder.[/QUOTE]WTF.

Your cock smells? Did you sniff it?

You can buy meds over the counter if you think you have yeast infection.

I have eaten 1000 pussies and never gotten a chest infection. You get it everytime? Maybe its the air on the plane.

Better yet, go to a doctor.

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist; 1395357]I am heading for Cebu at the end of the month. I am arriving at 8:45 pm in Manila airport. I know that the Manila airport has a nasty reputation as one of Asia's worst airports. Many say that there are slow, impossible lines and Terminal 1 is a mess. However, others say that the lines are not so slow if you arrive at a time when not much traffic comes in. As I really, really want to get to Cebu as soon as possible, I booked a flight that takes off at 10:35 pm. Do I have a snowball's chance in hell of making that flight?

The plan is to take a taxi rather than a shuttle to Terminal 3 which would save a lot of time. Also, the hope is that 8:45 pm is a relatively slower time which would allow for getting through passport control, get my bag, and go through customs quicker. Am I crazy or do I stand a chance?

I didn't know where to post this and so I thought this would be the place.

Salamat. Thanks![/QUOTE]?

What is the weather going to be that day?

Noone can predict what the airport is going to be like when you arrive. You booked what you booked. Just hope for the best.

You think the "undercover" reporters got their share?

[url]http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/philippines-sex-trafficking-raid-18593536[/url]

My friend in Boracay wants me to send her a vibrator are there any problems sending in the mail. I would appreciate any advice.

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist;1395357]As I really, really want to get to Cebu as soon as possible, I booked a flight that takes off at 10:35 pm. Do I have a snowball's chance in hell of making that flight?[/QUOTE]You must be at the CP counter no less then 45 minutes before your flight or you forfeit your ticket.

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist;1395357]As I really, really want to get to Cebu as soon as possible, I booked a flight that takes off at 10:35 pm. Do I have a snowball's chance in hell of making that flight?[/QUOTE]Don't forget you need to be at the CP counter no less then 45 minutes before your flight or you forfeit your seat!

[QUOTE=Sleeze999;1395957]My friend in Boracay wants me to send her a vibrator are there any problems sending in the mail. I would appreciate any advice.[/QUOTE]You will lose it if you use regular mail.

You need to use a courier (FedEX or LBC etc) and you will need to let them see what is in the parcel. If that doesn't worry you then it should be OK if you have a valid address for her.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1396237]You will lose it if you use regular mail.

You need to use a courier (FedEX or LBC etc) and you will need to let them see what is in the parcel. If that doesn't worry you then it should be OK if you have a valid address for her.[/QUOTE]I would use Fedex DHL etc as I deem these 'safer' for those products.

But Sleeze you could wait and give it a monger who next goes to Boracay and he can give it to her personally. Cheaper and defientiely safe and will definitely be given to her :P) I volunteer LOL

Never give a girl a vibrator as a gift. She will become addicted to it and often won't be able to have an orgasm without one. What is worse, she will prefer it to your prong. Its a bad idea. Bring it with you if in fact you actually EVER MEET HER IN PERSON and are not just planning to beat your meat watching her on webcam with the gifted vibrator.

Well if she could figure out how to have that vibrator pay her rent you might be right.

[QUOTE=David_33;1396439]Never give a girl a vibrator as a gift. She will become addicted to it and often won't be able to have an orgasm without one. What is worse, she will prefer it to your prong. Its a bad idea. Bring it with you if in fact you actually EVER MEET HER IN PERSON and are not just planning to beat your meat watching her on webcam with the gifted vibrator.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sleeze999;1395957]My friend in Boracay wants me to send her a vibrator are there any problems sending in the mail. I would appreciate any advice.[/QUOTE]No matter how you ship it, it will get opened and inspected at customs (at least in my experience). A better bet is use Google to find a company in country to order and ship from. I've used [url]www.privategiftsmanila.com/[/url] Several times successfully.

[QUOTE=Mbsl65;1392929]I think, it is time to merge the Cebu forums into the main forum. Not too much usage there like it was before. My $0. 02[/QUOTE]I agree with RK and WR on this. Leave the Cebu section alone. Seperate threads are the way to go. However the section should be 'locked' as some really useless threads have been created by some members recently. New thread ideas should be suggested by ISG senior members in good standing. (there is a section on ISG for that). Once the suggestion is given the thumbs up the thread will be created and locked-unlocked by Jackson.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1393059]For sure, re-instate it to what it was. Current set up is a can of Spaghetti. Three main threads is enough, Nightlife, Hotels, Other, and in the main forum, yes.[/QUOTE]Sxxxx,

You have been around a long time. Awhile back alot of newbs and a few senior members started to whine how the Cebu thread was "a can of spaghetti" and they couldn't find any useful info. Jackson listened, he took the time to go through the previous 30-40pages of posts on the General Info thread and separate the topics into what was being discussed at that time. Topics such as golf courses and cell phone etiquette were being discussed and so they received a seperate section. Jackson created every thread with the exception of three or four that were recently started by members.

IMO there is no pleasing everyone. If Jackson would revert back to the old style Cebu section with a few dedicated threads it wouldn't be long before guys started to whine again about not being able to find info. I believe that "can of spaghetti" would be passed around yet again.

[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver;1396962]Looks like PinkPussy has sunken to a new low. Now it's trying to scare everyone by digging up an old bullshit article dating back to 1999! What's next? Perhaps an article circa Vietnam War describing how mostly all the girls in Asia have STD's which cannot be treated if you get infected? It's posts are getting more laughable by the day.[/QUOTE]You are missing the point, sir, which is that reports like the one recently posted on ISG re recent alleged events in Angeles City & Manila are nothing new. If you had bothered to read the site below, the 1999 report was just one in a list of similar PI blackmailing scams reported there, involving authorities such as PI police working with female accomplices who are PI streetwalkers, internet dating site hookups & bar girls, etc.

[url]http://www.sexwork.com/philippines/contents.html[/url]

Don't be scared by it. That's not my purpose. Rather use your head & compute whether it's a risk you are willing to take, after considering all the pros & cons to going to / staying in the Philippines, & after having compared with other international sex destinations. Then make your own decision where it's best to go, for your own particular individual needs, preferences & situation.

It's a good idea to also read government travel advisories. Likewise their purpose is not to "scare everyone", but to inform you so you can make your own decisions & be safe. For example:

"There is a high level of violent crime, including gun crime."

"There is a high incidence of street crime and robbery."

"Be particularly vigilant when travelling on public transport. Armed hold-ups have occurred on 'jeepneys' and buses. In some cases these have resulted in fatalities."

[url]http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travel-and-living-abroad/travel-advice-by-country/asia-oceania/philippines#safetySecurity[/url]

So, bottom line, don't be ever be a fraidy cat, neither stick your head in the sand like an ostrich, but be a man and face the real world & learn how to deal with it rationally, calmly and practically.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1397339]You are missing the point, sir, which is that reports like the one recently posted on ISG re recent alleged events in Angeles City & Manila are nothing new. If you had bothered to read the site below, the 1999 report was just one in a list of similar PI blackmailing scams reported there, involving authorities such as PI police working with female accomplices who are PI streetwalkers, internet dating site hookups & bar girls, etc.

[url]http://www.sexwork.com/philippines/contents.html[/url]

Don't be scared by it. That's not my purpose. Rather use your head & compute whether it's a risk you are willing to take, after considering all the pros & cons to going to / staying in the Philippines, & after having compared with other international sex destinations. Then make your own decision where it's best to go, for your own particular individual needs, preferences & situation.

So, bottom line, don't be ever be a fraidy cat, neither stick your head in the sand like an ostrich, but be a man and face the real world & learn how to deal with it rationally, calmly and practically.[/QUOTE]Whilst there maybe a few johnny-come-lateleys who "perhaps" didn't know the information you are providing, the vast majority of our Philippines board members have been in and around the Philippines for many many years. You are a guy who by his own admission has never been there. So why, why, why is it your role in life to tell us what we already know. You are wasting bandwidth and wearing out your pc keyboard for no reason at all.

If I was Lionel Messi I don't think I would listen to a guy who says he is one of the top Fantasy Premier League Managers. You might know about the subject but until you put feet on the ground, you don't know nightsoil.

PP reminds me of Hug Monster (a guy who was supposed to have had a variety of physical and mental disabilities), who appeared and then disappeared some years ago on the Cebu thread. Could he be a reincarnation?

got to love these jokers. they presume to tell the good men and women of the philippines how to live their lives. what they shall and shant do. and here they are [url]again.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21765850[/url]

they just can't keep their hands off young boys.

and all those peos by peso collections go to keep making the payoffs. no wonder they are always saying "give generously " lol.

you have to wonder when the good people will rise up and say get these "buggers" out of our land.

maybe father shane cullen and his isj buddies should be hanging around outside the churches catching **** goings on. quite a target rich environment it seems.

[quote=freebiefan; 1397498]got to love these jokers. they presume to tell the good men and women of the philippines how to live their lives. what they shall and shant do. and here they are.

[url]again.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21765850[/url]

they just can't keep their hands off young boys.

and all those peos by peso collections go to keep making the payoffs. no wonder they are always saying "give generously " lol.

you have to wonder when the good people will rise up and say get these "buggers" out of our land.

maybe father shane cullen and his isj buddies should be hanging around outside the churches catching **** goings on. quite a target rich environment it seems.[/quote]isj. as in jihadists? during one of my visits to haiti there was an older irishman at bad bear's who was visiting bb's for several days; he did not lay a single woman, held a repressed disdain for open mongering and had some idiotic quirks that convinced me he was an ngo operative, maybe a catholicizing jihadist. i've been catholic my whole life and my ancestry is half irish, so no, not stereotyping. but nowadays i figure priests who "suppress" their sexuality are either ****s or queers or waiting to excommunicate and get a woman like normal men do. no problem with queers either but since there is such an abundance of baby buggerers masquerading as spiritual leaders in the name of catholicism my guess is the "good" father shay is more concerned about covering up and distracting from the ****philia of he and his brothers, as he is actually helping downtrodden third world women.

[quote=pete benetar;1397513]isj. as in jihadists? . spiritual leaders in the name of catholicism my guess is the "good" father shay is more concerned about covering up and distracting from the ****philia of he and his brothers, as he is actually helping downtrodden third world women.[/quote]i meant ijm. slip of the finger, as the priest said to the choirboy he was digitally pleasuring.

[QUOTE=David_33;1397476]PP reminds me of Hug Monster (a guy who was supposed to have had a variety of physical and mental disabilities), who appeared and then disappeared some years ago on the Cebu thread. Could he be a reincarnation?[/QUOTE]I got the impression that Hug Monster was the real deal, a genuinely fragile lad. The heat from the ISG kitchen was too much for him, and so he exited. Most probably married to a Colon St hooker and surrounded by kids now.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1397458]Whilst there maybe a few johnny-come-lateleys who "perhaps" didn't know the information you are providing, the vast majority of our Philippines board members have been in and around the Philippines for many many years. You are a guy who by his own admission has never been there. So why, why, why is it your role in life to tell us what we already know.[/QUOTE]I don't have statistics on who knows what here, or how many non member lurkers would be interested in safety concerns in PI, in light of the recent post alleging 3 separate incidents involving what may be a new blackmailing scam in AC & Manila. If the website I referenced with additional reports of such scams has been posted before, please post a link to it so I can review the comments, if any, related to it. That would be of great interest to me personally, and I expect others as well, judging from the many responses to this topic in the past few days.

Some posters don't put much if any stock in the recent report of 3 incidents, while others think it fairly credible in varying degrees. It seems that I can take it from your previous comments on this topic that you disagree with another senior member here who spoke of such reports as being mere "rumours". Since evidently you've been the victim of a comparable scam yourself:

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 960995]Simillar but related story from 2004.

Was in Makati and waiting for a my gal in Glorietta. A lcute ady was hovering around and giving me the "eye". Went over to her, got her number for later. Arranged to meet her later that night, and after a drink we ended up in my car for one kiss, that escalated till my pants down, hers down etc. When suddently theres 10 police surrounding my car, shining flashlights in car, shouting that I've broken many laws, and I will taken straight to jail etcetc.

Long story short I was subject to extortion by Makatis wonderful police. Who first asked for P50, 000. That got later negotiated down to P20, 000. In short "peanuts" compared to the shame fest of a possible court case. I hear you LAW. Trying to think straight and come up with a battle plan with police telling you this and that is VERY difficult.

As for getting back on the horse. Girl told me she was real nervous about the police having her phone number and they were always calling her asking for dates etc. Etc. Anyways met her next day and gave her a good session. There was lots of hidden tension there.

I never knew if I was set up by the girl or not, as she really didn't know where we were going to drive to, but she was very eager to get my pants down.

The police. Useless, corrupt, rotten to the core. But then so are all politicians there. They act as role models for the cops and MMDA cockroaches.[/QUOTE]If you aren't interested in discussing this topic of blackmail (or any other topic) further & wish it to end, then don't reply & it will likely do so. Further replies with comments about it will invite the possibility of & may encourage additional responses on the subject.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1397784]If you aren't interested in discussing this topic of blackmail (or any other topic) further & wish it to end, then don't reply & it will likely do so. Further replies with comments about it will invite the possibility of & may encourage additional responses on the subject.[/QUOTE]First useful and sensible suggestion that you have made in awhile, matey. If members here would desist from feeding the troll, then he just might go away and inflict his tedious and seemingly never endingly useless verbiage onto another forum or website.

Now all I have to do is follow my own advice.

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt;1397967]First useful and sensible suggestion that you have made in awhile, matey. If members here would desist from feeding the troll, then he just might go away and inflict his tedious and seemingly never endingly useless verbiage onto another forum or website.[/QUOTE]And let us all say "Amen."

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1397994]And let us all say "Amen."[/QUOTE]Maybe this is wishful thinking but online now and none of PPs FRs can be read. You see them if you review his profile but click on it and zero, same if you click on "Review origianl paost"

Maybe Jackson has read the emails from some guys including myself saying PP is really a waste of bandwidth and was promoting another site? Who knows, hopefully he has be banished but am sure he will return again under a different handle.

Or maybe he is under full moderation LOL

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1397477]I think I'm going to join an automotive forum and try to get everyone to stop riding in cars because they are much too dangerous.

Mongering (or living for that matter) is not for the faint of heart. If you can't take the heat stay the fuck out of the kitchen. But don't go crying to those who can take the heat that they should not be cooking up something delicious. Different strokes for different folks. If you wuss up about something then stay away, but don't pester everyone else who is doing just fine. Hey I would never go skydiving. That is my wuss point. But am I trying to convince those that love it that they should not be doing it because one guy's chute did not open back in 1968? As Freebie has already said, most in this thread have been to PI at least once and so they know the real deal. Why would you even expect a guy with experience to take advice from a guy whose only experience is through the wonders of reading?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't bother with skydiving either as it wouldn't result in any sex or orgasms & just be a waste of my time & money, besides being an unpleasant experience that puts my life at risk. So I see no upside to it, only downside.

"If you can't take the heat stay the fuck out of the kitchen." Exactly. If you can't handle reading a government tourist advisory to the PI without being scared to death, then you should probably forget about being in the PI. It's only going to get worse for you when you hit land, see the guards with guns in many places, beggars mobbing you & other scary things peculiar to the PI. What are you going to do then, start taking prozac, see a shrink, begin a steady diet of liquid courage, join a prayer group?

Like I said if you love PI & simply can't stay away, in spite of all the safer alternatives, then do what you must do. Don't feel pestered by warnings to the general readership of ISG, as they do not apply to you, & I'm sure you wouldn't want people going there who shouldn't be.

Warnings re the dangers in PI are quite regular on the PI forums as compared to other destinations, and that goes with the terrirory as it should. Therefore for a place like Hong Kong that is considered much safer you won't see the same thing occurring.

There are reasons why PI only gets a handful of, while LOS gets double digit, millions of visitors a year.

I ride in death traps myself, though try to avoid the ones without any brakes that some guys here enjoy.

Mongering as in recieving a HJ at an upscale MP?

A 10 year medical student with no practical experience will be better informed about medicine than an uneducated guy who once experienced popping a pill for a headache. Someone who has read all the postings re the PI on ISG but never been to the PI will be in a good position to answer newbie questions about the country, better than many people who have actually been to the PI.

Dos anyone know if Philippine Airlines partners with any major Airline? I would like to use frequent flyer miles on United / Delta / American (I have a lot) to visit Manila, but I am having trouble with the Philippine Airlines web site.

[QUOTE=Forest;1398149]Dos anyone know if Philippine Airlines partners with any major Airline? I would like to use frequent flyer miles on United / Delta / American (I have a lot) to visit Manila, but I am having trouble with the Philippine Airlines web site.[/QUOTE]No, they do not work with Airline partners. There is no chance of using your miles with these other airlines to fly PAL. PAL's web site is also quite problematic when trying to book a flight. You are better off just booking your itinerary through Expedia if you want to fly Philippine Airlines.

I've been reading your posts and all the responses from the members. No matter how many times they tell you to stop pestering it seems you keep on going. I'm starting to think you like all the attention and thats why you keep posting BS. You must have something against PI or maybe a grudge against the entire country. Anyways, there is no point in anyone responding to your repetitive attention seeking posts. No one on this posts really cares and honestly I think the best thing fellow mongers can do is just ignore PP and maybe than he will look for attention in other places.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1398079]Warnings re the dangers in PI are quite regular on the PI forums as compared to other destinations, and that goes with the terrirory as it should. Therefore for a place like Hong Kong that is considered much safer you won't see the same thing occurring.

There are reasons why PI only gets a handful of, while LOS gets double digit, millions of visitors a year.

I ride in death traps myself, though try to avoid the ones without any brakes that some guys here enjoy.

Mongering as in recieving a HJ at an upscale MP?

A 10 year medical student with no practical experience will be better informed about medicine than an uneducated guy who once experienced popping a pill for a headache. Someone who has read all the postings re the PI on ISG but never been to the PI will be in a good position to answer newbie questions about the country, better than many people who have actually been to the PI.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1398079]Like I said if you love PI & simply can't stay away, in spite of all the safer alternatives, then do what you must do. Don't feel pestered by warnings to the general readership of ISG, as they do not apply to you, & I'm sure you wouldn't want people going there who shouldn't be.

Warnings re the dangers in PI are quite regular on the PI forums as compared to other destinations, and that goes with the terrirory as it should. Therefore for a place like Hong Kong that is considered much safer you won't see the same thing occurring.

There are reasons why PI only gets a handful of, while LOS gets double digit, millions of visitors a year.

Someone who has read all the postings re the PI on ISG but never been to the PI will be in a good position to answer newbie questions about the country, better than many people who have actually been to the PI.[/QUOTE]Dear Pussy Pearl. You are a know nothing with no life. You waste everyones time. You are now on my IGNORE list. No interest, nothing to gain, no reason to read your sad little warnings. I guess an 18 year old Filipina turned you down and you are on your idiotic crusade since then. Poor baby (you, not the girl LOL)

Why don't you guys all take your own advice and just IGNORE HIM (PP I mean).

It's very easy to click on to the next post. Overcome the feeling to respond.

He gets excited when everybody has a mass-debate with him. Nobody is going to win.

Heed pinky's advice everyone stay away from the Philippines its to dangerous. More girls for me ha!

[QUOTE=Forest;1398149]Dos anyone know if Philippine Airlines partners with any major Airline? I would like to use frequent flyer miles on United / Delta / American (I have a lot) to visit Manila, but I am having trouble with the Philippine Airlines web site.[/QUOTE]Delta goes to Manila and United does as well (although less direct (from Guam-Palau) , so why worry about Philippine Air (unless it is imperative to go direct from LA or San Fran)?

Today I recieved a message from one of my girls I met in Manila claiming she is pregnant and it is mine sperm. According to her she did not participate in any sexual activity for the last 2 years. I have to say I, in a way, got and still get a feeling she might be telling the actual truth. I have over the years met so many girls so I in a way atleast feel I can devide them into various categories like sexworker, freelancer, semi proffesional, regular lady, liar, scammer and so on. NB! She is not mad or anything (actually she sounded kind of happy from her writing). I guess I voulanterely will put myself out here for those of you hate me and for those of you "how can you be so stupid" and so on but that is ok. But except from that I would realy like to know if any of you have any experience in maby how to get an abortion going in Manila? Or is it simply impossible in this Catholic republic (new pope and everything even more conservative than the last one, hehe)?

NB! I will ofcourse investigate this happening a bit further. But I don't know how to attack this except at a later stage I have to travel down there and go to hospital to check baby to be for DNA.

NB! If it proves to be mine I will not leave her by herself and I will support her in anyway. I don't run away from responsibility (atleast not serious stuffs like this).

[QUOTE=Skogis;1398448]According to her she did not participate in any sexual activity for the last 2 years. I have to say I, in a way, got and still get a feeling she might be telling the actual truth.[/QUOTE]Skogis, I tend to believe the "I haven't had sex for X years" line too. It seems, somehow, reasonable to assume that its our massive charm that suddenly turns them into fucklets who separate their legs on the first date.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1398448]But except from that I would realy like to know if any of you have any experience in maby how to get an abortion going in Manila?[/QUOTE]I don't think you will have any luck in getting her to abort. She is probably happy as a pig in warm mud about being knocked up by anyone reckless enough to ejaculate into her vagina. You should just wait for the delivery of Skogis Jr and then get a DNA check. Afterwards, you can decide how or if to support the little bastard.

skogis, someone tried that one on me. i was convinced too, sending money for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url], etc. there is a forum member who does cheap and fast dna tests using a usa laboratory, (pm me for his mail if you want). turned out not to be mine. interesting story.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1398448]Today I recieved a message from one of my girls I met in Manila claiming she is pregnant and it is mine sperm. According to her she did not participate in any sexual activity for the last 2 years. I have to say I, in a way, got and still get a feeling she might be telling the actual truth. I have over the years met so many girls so I in a way atleast feel I can devide them into various categories like sexworker, freelancer, semi proffesional, regular lady, liar, scammer and so on. NB! She is not mad or anything (actually she sounded kind of happy from her writing). I guess I voulanterely will put myself out here for those of you hate me and for those of you "how can you be so stupid" and so on but that is ok. But except from that I would realy like to know if any of you have any experience in maby how to get an abortion going in Manila? Or is it simply impossible in this Catholic republic (new pope and everything even more conservative than the last one, hehe)?

NB! I will ofcourse investigate this happening a bit further. But I don't know how to attack this except at a later stage I have to travel down there and go to hospital to check baby to be for DNA.

NB! If it proves to be mine I will not leave her by herself and I will support her in anyway. I don't run away from responsibility (at least not serious stuffs like this).[/QUOTE]Over the years I have had three scares. Two girls wanted abortion and I paid for it. Both of them were from the provinces and it cost me about 10, 000 pesos for each. It included clinic charges, medicine aver. I believe.

Clinic charges were about 6000 pesos + 1000 for medications. Both girls did not have any problems finding places for abortion.

Other girl did not want to have abortion and I supported her for about 2 years. The baby did not have any resemblance to me and I asked and insisted on DNA tests. The girl broke down and said the baby's father is some pinay.

Anyway I really did not develop any relationship with the child so it was easy to run away from mother and child. I got taken for few hundred dollars but whatever I could fuck her through pregnancy and even after.

The girls who opted for abortions were only 18 years old and did not want the burden.

In your situation unless the girl is very young she may not agree for abortion. I am sure there are plenty of places in Manila which does abortions although maybe pricey. In Phi there are no options for in vitero DNA tests, so.

You need to wait till the baby is born.

As for scamming you it is anybody's guess. You will not know till the DNA tests are done. But then like it happened in my case you need to support her through pregnancy and at least another 6 months after the baby is born.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1398448]Today I recieved a message from one of my girls I met in Manila claiming she is pregnant and it is mine sperm. According to her she did not participate in any sexual activity for the last 2 years. I have to say I, in a way, got and still get a feeling she might be telling the actual truth. I have over the years met so many girls so I in a way atleast feel I can devide them into various categories like sexworker, freelancer, semi proffesional, regular lady, liar, scammer and so on. NB! She is not mad or anything (actually she sounded kind of happy from her writing). I guess I voulanterely will put myself out here for those of you hate me and for those of you "how can you be so stupid" and so on but that is ok. But except from that I would realy like to know if any of you have any experience in maby how to get an abortion going in Manila? Or is it simply impossible in this Catholic republic (new pope and everything even more conservative than the last one, hehe)?

NB! I will ofcourse investigate this happening a bit further. But I don't know how to attack this except at a later stage I have to travel down there and go to hospital to check baby to be for DNA.

NB! If it proves to be mine I will not leave her by herself and I will support her in anyway. I don't run away from responsibility (atleast not serious stuffs like this).[/QUOTE]Well, Skogis you finally won the bareback-cum-in-pussy lottery. Shame on you for even thinking of murdering Baby Skogis! Abortion is a grave crime in the Republic of the Philippines. Anyone here providing you information on how to arrange one would become an accomplice. Anyway, I would think that any well-heeled Norwegian who can simultaneously check-in at the Shangri La and New World hotels, to facilitate the rooting of numerous dating site girls, would be able to financially support their baby and its mother for at least the next 20 years. You said that you would support your child, while on the other hand, you pleaded for help in finding an abortionist in Manila first. That would indicate that you're planning to jump in your longboat and flee to the safety of the Scandinavian ice. You should be finding your baby's mother a good OB / GYN to provide prenatal care and making sure she takes folic acid supplements along with a healthy diet. Seriously, do want Japanese and Korean mongers banging your light-skinned daughter nightly in a seedy Burgos St Bar because her Norwegian papa ran away and didn't man up?

Skogis, you fucked this girl bareback and blew loads of sperm in her vagina. What did you think would happen? Stop trying to think up ways to escape from your responsibility. You called the tune, now pay the piper! Do the DNA by all means but you seem to already know what the outcome is likely to be. I hope you find fatherhood in the Philippines to be rewarding. Your actions indicate that, at least on a subconscious level, you intended to breed the piglet.

I've had similar scares, one time a girl told me she was pregnant after one week LOL. After I questioned her more she finally told me that she wants a baby so bad because she loves a mix. The fact is most girls there want to have a baby with foreigner because they know most of us are not like Filipino assholes who just get women pregnant and take off. Having babies is a good way for them to have financial security and not have to fuck so many guys. I love filipina women but I don't trust any of them whether a hardened hooker or "regular lady", they are very street smart and know exactly how to manipulate most of us. I would be emotionally supportive but always keep some doubt in your mind until you get that dna test. Last time I was in Makati I was banging a travel agent girl that was engaged to an Aussie. Her control freak fiance kept fucking calling in the middle of pounding and she always had to rush to the phone. I felt bad for the guy as he was telling her how much he loved her and how couldn't wait to spend his life with her. After she hung up the phone I went straight back to pounding that pinay ass.

Goodluck Skogis

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1398448]Today I recieved a message from one of my girls I met in Manila claiming she is pregnant and it is mine sperm. According to her she did not participate in any sexual activity for the last 2 years. I have to say I, in a way, got and still get a feeling she might be telling the actual truth. I have over the years met so many girls so I in a way atleast feel I can devide them into various categories like sexworker, freelancer, semi proffesional, regular lady, liar, scammer and so on. NB! She is not mad or anything (actually she sounded kind of happy from her writing). I guess I voulanterely will put myself out here for those of you hate me and for those of you "how can you be so stupid" and so on but that is ok. But except from that I would realy like to know if any of you have any experience in maby how to get an abortion going in Manila? Or is it simply impossible in this Catholic republic (new pope and everything even more conservative than the last one, hehe)?

NB! I will ofcourse investigate this happening a bit further. But I don't know how to attack this except at a later stage I have to travel down there and go to hospital to check baby to be for DNA.

NB! If it proves to be mine I will not leave her by herself and I will support her in anyway. I don't run away from responsibility (atleast not serious stuffs like this).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1398508]Well, Skogis you finally won the bareback-cum-in-pussy lottery. Shame on you for even thinking of murdering Baby Skogis! Abortion is a grave crime in the Republic of the Philippines. Anyone here providing you information on how to arrange one would become an accomplice. Anyway, I would think that any well-heeled Norwegian who can simultaneously check-in at the Shangri La and New World hotels, to facilitate the rooting of numerous dating site girls, would be able to financially support their baby and its mother for at least the next 20 years. You said that you would support your child, while on the other hand, you pleaded for help in finding an abortionist in Manila first. That would indicate that you're planning to jump in your longboat and flee to the safety of the Scandinavian ice. You should be finding your baby's mother a good OB / GYN to provide prenatal care and making sure she takes folic acid supplements along with a healthy diet. Seriously, do want Japanese and Korean mongers banging your light-skinned daughter nightly in a seedy Burgos St Bar because her Norwegian papa ran away and didn't man up?

Skogis, you fucked this girl bareback and blew loads of sperm in her vagina. What did you think would happen? Stop trying to think up ways to escape from your responsibility. You called the tune, now pay the piper! Do the DNA by all means but you seem to already know what the outcome is likely to be. I hope you find fatherhood in the Philippines to be rewarding. Your actions indicate that, at least on a subconscious level, you intended to breed the piglet.[/QUOTE]Well with my post I wanted to check if abortion is possible in Philly as in I have not concluded anything. I have half norwegian / half pinay gf here in Norway (and we did one abortion allready but that was in Norway) but I don't think I can ask my gf about this, hehe. I am just checking. Abortion or not is not only up to me you know. And I just got the message today so I have to evaluate my options. My worries are not concerning financial support. That I can handle. My major concern is to find out what to do and as allready shown inside here both in postings in this thread and through PM the crowd of ISG people have some expertice.

But I will go there on a surprise visit in a few weeks. I happen to know where she works (counsil building in Quezon City. Would not be to dangerous I guess) so that would be a great start to do some face to face "interviewing". After this visit I will make some decissions and I thank you for all the advices (and the modest mocking LOL).

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1398508]Anyway, I would think that any well-heeled Norwegian who can simultaneously check-in at the Shangri La and New World hotels, to facilitate the rooting of numerous dating site girls, would be able to financially support their baby and its mother for at least the next 20 years. .[/QUOTE]Well to keep it correct it was Ascott Makati and Riviera Mansion Malate I lived in simultaneously. This due to the horrible trafficsituation.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1398508]Seriously, do want Japanese and Korean mongers banging your light-skinned daughter nightly in a seedy Burgos St Bar because her Norwegian papa ran away and didn't man up?[/QUOTE]This may not be the worst scenario for this girl when she is old enough to work in the bars. She will be highly sought after every night by the Japs and garlic eating Koreans while working as a spotlight dancer at Doll House or perhaps a showgirl at Jools. Assuming Skogis cuts and runs, she will still be able to support herself and her family one barfine at a time. If Skogis has a son, he will be the most successful of the Viagra salesmen on P. Burgos since the tourists will feel more comfortable buying from a half white flip.

Haha in 18 years from now, just make sure you don't run into her at the bar and invite her over. Since skogis currently has a half norwegian half filipina girlfriend when you go to the bars there in the future be wary of women telling you they are half norwegian. We are just joking skogis. All in good fun. I'm surprised with all the women you banged bareback that there isn't more little skogis running around Manila.

[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver;1398518]This may not be the worst scenario for this girl when she is old enough to work in the bars. She will be highly sought after every night by the Japs and garlic eating Koreans while working as a spotlight dancer at Doll House or perhaps a showgirl at Jools. Assuming Skogis cuts and runs, she will still be able to support herself and her family one barfine at a time. If Skogis has a son, he will be the most successful of the Viagra salesmen on P. Burgos since the tourists will feel more comfortable buying from a half white flip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1398448]Today I recieved a message from one of my girls I met in Manila claiming she is pregnant and it is mine sperm. But except from that I would realy like to know if any of you have any experience in maby how to get an abortion going in Manila?

NB! If it proves to be mine I will not leave her by herself and I will support her in anyway. I don't run away from responsibility (atleast not serious stuffs like this).[/QUOTE]If I were you, and assuming the girl will keep the baby, I would do the following:

1. Support her and the baby (no need for luxury but enough for dignity, but that might be easier said than done. Let others, or you, define how much it should be)

2. Make sure the baby has an education.

3. Try and have a relationship with the kid, albeit via Skype. Love is important to a small life, even fatherly love.

4. If possible, see if the baby can have Norwegian citizenship (via blood laws) some day. Also, Filipino law allows for the baby to carry the father's surname if he accepts paternity.

I am sure you could keep it a secret from your Norwegian / Pinay girlfriend but you just might be eventually pleased that you did the right thing.

[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver;1398518]If Skogis has a son, he will be the most successful of the Viagra salesmen on P. Burgos since the tourists will feel more comfortable buying from a half white flip.[/QUOTE]Yes, the positive thinking approach is always best. Pussy half full of cum (vs half empty). Maybe Skogis should ask for a cut, or some free fake V. To get back on topic: from what I understand, the more hard core mongers will, when approached by the fuckee, say something along the lines: "sure, I dropped a load in your pussy. When the baby's out, YOU do the DNA test and have your lawyer contact mine, OK?"

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist; 1398542]If I were you, and assuming the girl will keep the baby, I would do the following:

1. Support her and the baby (no need for luxury but enough for dignity, but that might be easier said than done. Let others, or you, define how much it should be)

2. Make sure the baby has an education.

3. Try and have a relationship with the kid, albeit via Skype. Love is important to a small life, even fatherly love.

4. If possible, see if the baby can have Norwegian citizenship (via blood laws) some day. Also, Filipino law allows for the baby to carry the father's surname if he accepts paternity.

I am sure you could keep it a secret from your Norwegian / Pinay girlfriend but you just might be eventually pleased that you did the right thing.[/QUOTE]Some good points Cunning and ofcourse this is the pattern I will choose if a baby with my DNA is born. To your nr 4 this is easy as after 1 of Sept 2006 children born anywere on the planet with norwegian father will automaticaly become norwegian citizen. Just have to apply to the embassy for social security number and passport (they can ask for documantation you are the actual father as in a DNA test and the embassy will point out were you can do the testing / documentation).

I am sure glad I have a vasectomy.

If memory serves that great cradle-to-grave Welfare State of Norway not only pays out some of the best pensions around, but also has a law that expressly forbids Norwegian boys from partaking in P4P around the world, including in the ppines, so remember to write it up as a free fornication on the application.

[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver;1398518]This may not be the worst scenario for this girl when she is old enough to work in the bars. She will be highly sought after every night by the Japs and garlic eating Koreans while working as a spotlight dancer at Doll House or perhaps a showgirl at Jools. Assuming Skogis cuts and runs, she will still be able to support herself and her family one barfine at a time. If Skogis has a son, he will be the most successful of the Viagra salesmen on P. Burgos since the tourists will feel more comfortable buying from a half white flip.[/QUOTE]LOL! Lets see in 19 years time what happens. I believe, girl or boy, doesn't matter, he or she will be located somewhere in Oslo. If it is a girl I will be watching her closely and if it is a boy I will teach him mongering (and obviously also teach him not to climax inside a girls pussy).

[QUOTE=SuperMuda;1398522]Haha in 18 years from now, just make sure you don't run into her at the bar and invite her over. Since skogis currently has a half norwegian half filipina girlfriend when you go to the bars there in the future be wary of women telling you they are half norwegian. We are just joking skogis. All in good fun. I'm surprised with all the women you banged bareback that there isn't more little skogis running around Manila.[/QUOTE]I have barebacked quite a few in my mongerlife (not proud but it is a fact) so who knows. But many of the girls I have been with atleast from datingsites still can find me here so as long as I don't hear from them I pretty much asume not to many Skogis jr's are running around out there (and that is good). Good fun is important. I can handle it (otherwice I guess I would keep my mouth shut). But I have to say I have recieved tons of good quality information. Mostly in PM's were the serious shit belongs).

[QUOTE=Pute Nut;1398581]If memory serves that great cradle-to-grave Welfare State of Norway not only pays out some of the best pensions around, but also has a law that expressly forbids Norwegian boys from partaking in P4P around the world, including in the ppines, so remember to write it up as a free fornication on the application.[/QUOTE]I am laughing my ass off here. As in this Quezon City girl case she did not want any money so I did fine an envelope and put 3000PHP inside and wrote "gift" and handed it to her. Otherwice you are correct in your observations about the norwegian system. Luckely I have never paid for sex. I pay girls to leave (more a bribe) and / or taxi compensation / travelexpenses. Damn it bribes are also illigal in Norway. I am fucked. I will turn myself in tomorrow and face the law.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1398585]Damn it bribes are also illigal in Norway. I am fucked. I will turn myself in tomorrow and face the law.[/QUOTE]LOL. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Seriously, though. Good luck with the DNA et al.

[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver;1398518]This may not be the worst scenario for this girl when she is old enough to work in the bars. She will be highly sought after every night by the Japs and garlic eating Koreans while working as a spotlight dancer at Doll House or perhaps a showgirl at Jools. Assuming Skogis cuts and runs, she will still be able to support herself and her family one barfine at a time. If Skogis has a son, he will be the most successful of the Viagra salesmen on P. Burgos since the tourists will feel more comfortable buying from a half white flip.[/QUOTE]That's true! Whatever happens little' Miss Skogis' will be able to feed herself and her extended family with the bar fines and ridiculously large tips the Jap and Korean mongers tend to pay half-white bargirls. I see some mongers are already planning 18 years and 9 months in advance to start canvassing the Quezon City bars in search of a half-Norwegian pinay in the hopes of rooting Skogis' daughter. It's almost like he was destined to be the father of a half breed Filipina bargirl. First he impregnates his half flip girlfriend in Norway and aborts his baby. Then he comes all the way to the Philippines, barebacks a flip and dumps a load of that Norseman goo in her guts knocking her up faster than the flu virus.

Skogis, no man can outrun fate. The girl was happy because she knows you shot a load of liquid gold in her pussy. With or without your support she knows she just made payday. So, forget about trying to coerce her into having an abortion. She might put the law on you if you mention it and you'll end up paying the full 18 years of support in a lump sum!

P. S. Please tell us where we can mail gifts for the baby shower.

[QUOTE=Pute Nut;1398549]To get back on topic: from what I understand, the more hard core mongers will, when approached by the fuckee, say something along the lines: "sure, I dropped a load in your pussy. When the baby's out, YOU do the DNA test and have your lawyer contact mine, OK?"[/QUOTE]I'm glad I never cum inside a pussy when barebacking.

If a Thai or PI bar girl claimed she was pregnant & it's mine, I'd assume she was lying on both counts till proven otherwise. With her banging other customers on a regular basis, & probably having a TBF she's doing BB, what are the chances there is really a baby & it's mine? One of a 100? One in a 1000? One in 10, 000?

See ya if & when the thing comes out for the DNA test.

Thai & PI P4P girls are well known to pull off scams & the pregnant scam is one of the many. Don't be suckered in like an easy mark.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1398605]It's almost like he was destined to be the father of a half breed Filipina bargirl. First he impregnates his half flip girlfriend in Norway and aborts his baby. Then he comes all the way to the Philippines, barebacks a flip and dumps a load of that Norseman goo in her guts knocking her up faster than the flu virus.[/QUOTE]If Skogis is like most Norwegians I've met, he was probably drunk as a skunk during the conception of Little Miss Skokis. He found himself in a vodka induced blackout that day and forgot about the part of the script where he is supposed to squirt on the Mother's face instead of inside her hot little beaver. I'm glad I got a vasectomy years ago.

[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver;1398629]If Skogis is like most Norwegians I've met, he was probably drunk as a skunk during the conception of Little Miss Skokis. He found himself in a vodka induced blackout that day and forgot about the part of the script where he is supposed to squirt on the Mother's face instead of inside her hot little beaver. I'm glad I got a vasectomy years ago.[/QUOTE]Well, given the high prices and onerous process involved in getting a bottle of vodka in Norway, I am sure Skogis was up to the gills in the cheap readily available lambanog sold in the Philippines. He tells us that the reason for booking two hotels simultaneously was due to the traffic congestion in Manila. Actually, it was due to our Nordic friend's constant state of heavy inebriation. Having a hotel within staggering distance at all times certainly made things a lot easier. Throw in some hot little brown beaver and Skogis was in hog heaven. The generic formula for Little Ms. Skogis came together as noted below:

Norwegian monger + vodka + DIA freelance brown beaver + (hotel room x 2) – condom = Future Spotlight Dancer

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1398702]Norwegian monger + vodka + DIA freelance brown beaver + (hotel room x 2) – condom = Future Spotlight Dancer[/QUOTE]Love your maths.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1398605]P. S. Please tell us where we can mail gifts for the baby shower.[/QUOTE]Since I don't know which hospital Little Miss Skokis will be born in I will get back to where the baby shower will be located. But I will make sure there will be available free pussy within walking distance.

People can also send gifts to: DHL Express, Dept Skedsmokorset. 1009 Oslo, Norway.

[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver;1398629]If Skogis is like most Norwegians I've met, he was probably drunk as a skunk during the conception of Little Miss Skokis. He found himself in a vodka induced blackout that day and forgot about the part of the script where he is supposed to squirt on the Mother's face instead of inside her hot little beaver. I'm glad I got a vasectomy years ago.[/QUOTE]I did have blackout a few hours prior to meeting this Quezon City spinner and yes the vodka was very much to blame. When I woke up in the morning next to a Insomnia girl I couldn't even remeber if I had pounded her or not. So after waking up I had to make sure I did it once. Made me come late to pickuppoint for Quezon City counsil girl. I was just stone horny and hangovered when we fucked and I sprayed my juice in her snatch. Not my proudest moment but what happens happens I can not undo it now.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1398702]Norwegian monger + vodka + DIA freelance brown beaver + (hotel room x 2) – condom = Future Spotlight Dancer[/QUOTE]With mathematics like this I would continue studying this subject for far more years. Answers are easy and logical. Atleast I get many good laughs here. Good going it is well deserved.

NB! She was infact a Filipino Cupid(FC) girl and not DIA. Minor detail but still correct answer in the math puzzle..

Hey Skogis,

Marry the poor girl and take her to your country. You say immigration laws are easy. Try to convince your present girlfriend it is better that you have two girls living with you than one. More rest for her pussy.

Maybe she will like your present wife as a bed partner.

Lf all else fails get a divorce and let Norway social system takes care of the mother and child. Phi girl I am sure will be happy that she is in Norway and can bring up your child in a better place.

In the future never bareback any girl including bargirls. You are not cut out of that adventure.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1398353]Delta goes to Manila and United does as well (although less direct (from Guam-Palau) , so why worry about Philippine Air (unless it is imperative to go direct from LA or San Fran)?[/QUOTE]I would like to go Phil Airways because I want to fly from Shanghai. Delta does not offer non stop service from Shanghai.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1398796]Hey Skogis,

Marry the poor girl and take her to your country. You say immigration laws are easy. Try to convince your present girlfriend it is better that you have two girls living with you than one. More rest for her pussy.

Maybe she will like your present wife as a bed partner.

Lf all else fails get a divorce and let Norway social system takes care of the mother and child. Phi girl I am sure will be happy that she is in Norway and can bring up your child in a better place.

In the future never bareback any girl including bargirls. You are not cut out of that adventure.[/QUOTE]Can not do as I have never ever met a more beautiful meztias girl ever (my GF is born in Norway so she have no attachments in Phil whatsoever ex grandparents on mother side). She is my beautiful half pinay / half norwegian GF. I would in many ways say I am the luckiest man on this planet (tellus) but instead I choose the mongering activity as in I have never been good handling one girl at the time relationshipwice (this is information I don't provide my Gf's).

Just take a look?

[QUOTE=Fifty Pesos; 1398859]1. Arrange travel to a country in the in region that does not require her to have a pre-arrival visa and have the abortion done in a clinic by a Physician of that nation.

2. Try to locate someone who will do it locally which more than likely will be a shady Chinese national.

3. Have the abortion chemically induced by a compound such as Misoprostol. The downside to this is vaginal bleeding, pain and the expelling of the remains of the Fetus through the vagina in painful bloody clumps.

Keep in mind any type of abortion is illegal in the Republic of the Philippines.

With all that being said I am sure a great deal of bareback enthusiasts have encountered this problem before or multiple times. Impregnating a woman than coercing her to go through an abortion due to cowardice is a selfish act which causes physical, mental and emotional trauma that will last the host of the unborn a seed a lifetime.[/QUOTE]I read what you write but this girl (lets call her mother of my child) will never ever be an unlucky girl. I will face my responsibility and I will do whatever it takes to get my child (if proven mine through tests) come to Norway. And I have allready read in various forums crowded by norwegians this is a money issue (to bribe the judges, police and so on) and jippi you have full custody of your child by phil law (but I will not do it like this. I want mother to be happy and I will compensate her big time so in many ways she will find herself lucky) To be honest me beeing 6"2 and 92kg and she is beeing 4"11 and 38kgs it is looking to stupid me and her walk together, hehe. I am pretty fucked in how to tell my GF where this child came from as I like many others have told I never been cheating, LOL.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1399008]. .

I am pretty fucked in how to tell my GF where this child came from as I like many others have told I never been cheating, LOL.[/QUOTE]Just don't burn any bridges until there is definite proof (1) that she is actually pregnant and (2) that it is your baby.

Filipinas regularly miss periods and love dramas so they always imagine they are "buntis" when they are not.

[quote=skogis; 1399004]can not do as i have never ever met a more beautiful meztias girl ever (my gf is born in norway so she have no attachments in phil whatsoever ex grandparents on mother side). she is my beautiful half pinay / half norwegian gf. i would in many ways say i am the luckiest man on this planet (tellus) but instead i choose the mongering activity as in i have never been good handling one girl at the time relationshipwice (this is information i don't provide my gf's).

just take a look?[/quote]nice tramp stamped tits! i see she spends all of your kroner on overpriced lambanog and coke. that's why you want your unborn filipina love child's head crushed with a pair of forceps, dissected with curettage hooks, and aspirated out of that poor pregnant girl's vagina? remember the republic of the philippines is not like norway. norwegian women think nothing of aborting their children. in spite of the generous welfare programs the country has a very high rate of alcoholism and suicide. in the philippines the girls still value their babies and would rather sell their pussies to drunk nordic mongers just to buy milk and baby food to feed them. asking a girl to let some backstreet butcher scrape out her pussy, under questionable infection control conditions, just because you were too drunk to pull your cock out before you creamed in her hot brown beaver isn't very ethical. she will be fucked up mentally for life and end up hustling mongers for lady-drinks and smoking shabu to forget the experience every night. that's assuming that she survives the illegal procedure or the drugs to make her pussy hemorrhage out chunks of your fetus. she could very well die. remember that all of this happened just because you wanted to feel your dick spasm, twitch and squirt baby batter in her hot snatch! do you want some innocent filipino cupid girl and your baby's blood on your hands?

you are probably thinking that the 3, 000 peso gift that you gave her allows you to wash your hands of the matter like pontius pilate. however, the cigarette smoke and hard liquor will eventually take a toll on your mestiza filipina. they tend to age very badly even with multiple plastic surgeries. then you will not feel the same about her but you will remember what you did. you're not in love with your half-breed otherwise you would not be barebacking pure flips wantonly and plugging their pussies with custard. you're in lust with how she looks and that will fade with time. on the other hand you just started a whole new ancestral lineage in the philippines. whether or not it turns out to be a hybrid tribe of norse flips who hawk viagra on the streets or peddle ass in the fine establishments found on burgos st and roxas boulevard is up to you.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1399030]Just don't burn any bridges until there is definite proof (1) that she is actually pregnant and (2) that it is your baby.

Filipinas regularly miss periods and love dramas so they always imagine they are "buntis" when they are not.[/QUOTE]I would listen to RK's advice as many a girl has drama and then nothing. David_33 mentioned a member who does mobile DNA testing so use that avenue also but all this stuff on the board re pasalubongs etc maybe be premature if she missed a period as she was stressed one month as she had to wake up before 12 noon LOL.

I have known a few to have these dramas. 10 days-2 weeks late even and yet all brought on by stress (pinays get easily stressed) and they stress further worrying about if they are pregnant

So before you jump (or are pushed) to any conclusion check the facts, see her, do the DNA and then decide what to do.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1399032]Philippines is not like Norway. Norwegian women think nothing of aborting their children. In spite of the generous welfare programs the country has a very high rate of alcoholism and suicide.[/QUOTE]Norway ranks 74th out of 188 world countries for which alcohol consumption data are available. For suicides, it ranks 36th out of 108 countries. Its suicide rates are lower than South Korea, China, Belgium, France, Hong Kong, New Zealand, and the United States. Alcohol consumption rates are lower than Portugal, Ireland, France, United Kingdom, Austria, Germany, Spain, Switzerland, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the United States.

I am not Norwegian.

Making a Sunday morning perusal of ISG I see that the omnipresent prat of board (not withstanding prat of the year) has made a contribution. Nay. 2 contributions. But thanks to him being on IGNORE status I can't see his verbal dribblings. I think I shall return to my bed where a 42 kg Chinese lady is waiting.

On my last trip I was going through this drama 28 days late for her period, l the screams "where is my period" all my panic, (what does the girl want to do).

One has the pleasure, then some times, there is drama and anxiety in this fun and drama we share.

Good luck Mr Skogis you might need it.

P.s there was a few members who did pass on some useful contact with regards to tablets

Some people are drama magnates. Fiction? One wonders.

Not all Philippinas are interested in living in other countries. They like to live with their extended families irrespective how squalid some houses are. Case in point is my two previous girlfriend got married and came back to Phi.

One spent three years in Ireland and the other in Channel Islands, UK. One Thai GF did not like Germany.

Sometimes it is best to support the girl and the child and let them live in Phi. Do not what the laws are in Nordic countries but here in USA it is a killer as far as child support goes. Can really clean you out depending on the mood of the judge.

Ofcourse if you want to be part of the child's life need to make frequent trips to Phi and buy a condo or something for the mother and child to live in. Before the Child is 18 sponsor to get to Norway. I am sure once the child is in

Norway the mother can be sponsored by the child if she so desires.

One of my fuck buddies got herself pregnant through her ex bf. Was wondering where she can procure Misoprostol or Mifepristone?

Is it available over the counter?

Thanks a mil'

[QUOTE=Dwight Fry; 1401671]One of my fuck buddies got herself pregnant through her ex bf. Was wondering where she can procure Misoprostol or Mifepristone?

Is it available over the counter?

Thanks a mil'[/QUOTE]If she has a couple of weeks to work with and has an address where the medications can be mailed, she can use Women on Web: [url]https://www.womenonweb.org/en/i-need-an-abortion[/url]

Recipients are asked to make a 90 euro contribution, but there's some financial help for those who are destitute.

[QUOTE=Dwight Fry; 1401671]One of my fuck buddies got herself pregnant through her ex bf. Was wondering where she can procure Misoprostol or Mifepristone?

Is it available over the counter?

Thanks a mil'[/QUOTE]If less than 8 weeks, you can grab Cytotech. Just that you need to consult a Gynae for legal prescription.

Adding to the earlier discussion, same thing here. The last 2 girls I been with. 18 and 20 didn't hesitate for a second to get that bare dick.

Both of them were thin, no babies, and nice tight muffs. So after getting that load planted deep down inside, I'd ask them, aren't you worried about pregnant? I can't bang anyone up anyway, but they both said no problem. Single mom ok.

[QUOTE=Pimpin Sam; 1402127]Adding to the earlier discussion, same thing here. The last 2 girls I been with. 18 and 20 didn't hesitate for a second to get that bare dick.

Both of them were thin, no babies, and nice tight muffs. So after getting that load planted deep down inside, I'd ask them, aren't you worried about pregnant? I can't bang anyone up anyway, but they both said no problem. Single mom ok.[/QUOTE]You don't know that one too many pinay wants a mixed blood baby, so the baby can go on to be a movie star or somebody hot (at the worst case. Be an adult porn star of the highly paid kind)? LOL.

Been there, done that, initially it was a bit terrifying, until one girl even promised to write a legal document that if she got pregnant I will not be responsible LOL. Yes, she was from an educated family, and said she would love to have a mixed blood baby.

Sometimes I like to dissolve part of a Viagra or chewable Kamagra under the tongue. Damn. Makes me feel like Dragon Slayer with my Tyrannosaurus Rex loose on her.

But inevitably comes the heart burn later. You probably already know the trick but if not, you just mix a bit of baking soda in water and take a couple swallows. Gone

Some time ago, Pete Benetar wrote about taking effective chemical barriers against catching STIs.

However, it was not clear to me exactly what I should take.

So I specifically asked my doc today.

He said that there are two forms of STI.

One group is caused by virus, and one caused by bacterial infection.

Those caused by bacterial infection includes syphilis, gonorrhea, and Chlamydia.

Those caused by virus include HIV, herpes, hepatitis B, and herpes type II. Nothing can prevent the viral infections except condoms.

But a combination of doxycyclin, plus one other, for example penecillin, or amoxycillin. Can protect from the bacterial infections. So if you are mongering, and prefer barebacking, or preparing for a trip, maybe it is a thought to protect yourself chemically from maybe half of the diseases that you can get.

G

[quote=gangles; 1404374]some time ago, pete benetar wrote about taking effective chemical barriers against catching stis.

one group is caused by virus, and one caused by bacterial infection.

those caused by bacterial infection includes syphilis, gonorrhea, and chlamydia.

those caused by virus include hiv, herpes, hepatitis b, and herpes type ii. nothing can prevent the viral infections except condoms.[/quote]hey g,

we're in an age where prevention and management of viral disease is changing frequently. i strongly recommend everyone go ahead and get the hep a and hep b vaccine series (3 shots for each). they are highly effective in preventing these viruses (hep a and hep b) and the downside of fulminant hepatitis makes living with hiv a picnic by comparison. nowadays, hiv is fully manageable with state of the art retroviral therapy. herpes is not a significant threat imo wrt morbidity or effect on lifestyle.

i have suggested chemoprophylaxis for bacterial stis with certain caveats: 1. malarial prophylaxis (eg doxycycline 100 mg per day) is recommended by the cdc for americans or westerners visiting any area where malaria is endemic and that includes the pi. doxy is a very benign med with few adrs (millions of kids take it daily for years to manage acne). and 2. a second drug eg a cephalsporin can be added however i would not recommend it for prolonged consumption (longer than 14 days or so). more adrs, bacterial resistance etc.

nothing is guaranteed except death and taxes.

add: hepatitis viruses incidentally are not considered stis by most folks nowadays and you are unlikely to contract hepatitis by exposure to carriers during conventional unprotected heterosex. but you can contract hepatitis many other ways, especially in less than hygienic environs (e.g. the pi) so most infectious disease peeps are very strong supporters of anyone getting the hep a and hep b vaccines.

I am glad a have a vasectomy too. At first I was worried, but did some research and it has been one of the best decisions ever. If I decide to go bareback I don't have to worry about leaving any girl pregnant. I highly recommend it.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1398576]I am sure glad I have a vasectomy.[/QUOTE]

I am re-posting this here because some out-of-towners may not be aware of this law that I have raised here many times.

A surcharge on Credit Cards is ILLEGAL by a Republic Act 7394 Article 81

[url]http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/.awful-says-dti[/url]

Put the RA 7394 in your phone and quote it at them.

Call them out on it and tell them you are going to report it to the Dept of Trade and Industry (DTI) and show them the numbers.

DTI-Direct. (632) 751-3330.

DTI-NCR, CAPD (National Capital Region clients) 811-8231 to 32.

The DTI has the power to close down their business.

Every time I do this I have the surcharge dropped. A few grumpy owners didn't like me because I was showing they are breaking the law.

I reported them anyway. The DTI sent me a letter of thanks.

They try this all the time in Boracay and Bohol (that I know about) because customers are used to paying surcharges elsewhere in the world. It seems Duck Inn in Manila is also in on the act.

If you don't like confrontation, then just pay cash. I am not normally confrontational but I quite enjoy watching them back down and change their tune as soon as you challenge them.

If the clerk won't do it or is confused by your request ask to see the manager (or even better, the owner).

If he / she isn't around then ask them to please show the surcharge on the receipt as well as the real price so that you can report it to the DTI.

hey pete,

thanks for that.

the problem that i had with your earlier post is the same as with this one.

you suggest a cephalsporin as a second medication. but a cephalsporin is a class of drugs, and there are many of them. i would not know which one would be most suitable for the preventive effect that i want.

but i do not know what this is. what i needed was the name of a specific drug, so that i can ask for it.

so, the reason for my post was that my doc gave me the name of a specific drug that would be suitable.

now i can ask for doxycyclin, and amoxycillin, and know that the combination will most likely be effective.

thanks again.

g

[quote=pete benetar; 1404403]hey g,

we're in an age where prevention and management of viral disease is changing frequently. i strongly recommend everyone go ahead and get the hep a and hep b vaccine series (3 shots for each). they are highly effective in preventing these viruses (hep a and hep b) and the downside of fulminant hepatitis makes living with hiv a picnic by comparison. nowadays, hiv is fully manageable with state of the art retroviral therapy. herpes is not a significant threat imo wrt morbidity or effect on lifestyle.

i have suggested chemoprophylaxis for bacterial stis with certain caveats: 1. malarial prophylaxis (eg doxycycline 100 mg per day) is recommended by the cdc for americans or westerners visiting any area where malaria is endemic and that includes the pi. doxy is a very benign med with few adrs (millions of kids take it daily for years to manage acne). and 2. a second drug eg a cephalsporin can be added however i would not recommend it for prolonged consumption (longer than 14 days or so). more adrs, bacterial resistance etc.

nothing is guaranteed except death and taxes.

add: hepatitis viruses incidentally are not considered stis by most folks nowadays and you are unlikely to contract hepatitis by exposure to carriers during conventional unprotected heterosex. but you can contract hepatitis many other ways, especially in less than hygienic environs (e. g. the pi) so most infectious disease peeps are very strong supporters of anyone getting the hep a and hep b vaccines.[/quote]

Some weeks back I was a bit to active in mongering as I did shoot my loads into ms Quezon counsil girl pussy (or Filipino Cupid. FC girl).

Through a friend of a friend working in Norwegian embassy in Manila I have been directed to St. Lukes hospital in Quezon City as for the best follow up for the FC girl and the baby to be. Have any of you fellow mongerers any advices upon this hospital (it is private and considered as one of Manilas best according to this embassy guy)?

I have got myself a liason at the hospital who will keep me informed during her pregnancy. Not that I don't trust the FC girl but I am sure you know why I do like this? It is just to keep the record straight and get accurate information on what is going on (since I don't live in the neighbourhood). Is she following recomended consultation, lab tests, ultrasound, vitamin / dieting program and so on (I am thinking about the baby here and the girl herself). Thought that would be nice to also get a bit info behind the girls back just to make sure.

More in general. Is it free healthcare for phil citizens like in having a baby in a regular hospital? What about consultation program, ultrasound etc etc?

I would doulbt I am the only monger inside here having put my ass into a situation like this. I am in a way excited and in a way a bit scared. Was probably not the ideal way my parents would become grandparents and I become a father but what the heck what happens happens just deal with it.

I have talked quite a lot to FC girl and she is comfortable with situation. I have adviced her to mentioned hospital and she have allready been to first time consultation approx 1 week ago and everything runs according to biology. I was a bit scared as they ofcourse did a STD check as well since I am bad in using protection myself when mongering (not proud so critisism not needed). This was also the situation when bedding FC girl (I`d been with approx 10 various (give or take a few) internet datingsites girls and FL`s ahead of me and FC). She did get the test results and negative negative and so on and big smile on my face when e-mail send to me from liason. FC girl also confirmed the, in my case, happy news.

I`ve been predicted this event will cost me approx 120 - 150000PHP (average cost) and that is ok as long as FC and baby have the best follow up possible. So far they have charged me 30000PHP (and it is trustworthy hospital according to embassy) as a part of a payment program so FC girl can just come and go as she feels like within reason as long as her visits is relevant to present situation. Liason send me scanned bills as and FC keeps me informed about the cost as well. When money runs out I just add more into their account. She is so far trustworthy and I have no reason to believe otherwice as she have never mentioned money to me. Yes, after popping her multiple times I gave her 3000PHP put in an envelope marked "GIFT" which she reluctantly accepted but that was my choice. But ofcourse I have my small paranoia as we learn and hear of scammergirls all the time don't you agree? So it is some headspinning along the way I have to admit. FC claims she did not have sex for years before we fucked. I can not check that but according to her hornyness it might be true. She did atleast not carry any STD`s.

If shit hits the fan, baby born and DNA test shows it is not mine. Well what can I do? Then I just summarise the hole exp and agree I was stupid and live with a tad smaller savings account and maby do CIM / CIF / COB/CIE(come in ear) next time. Life is a learning process even at 40.

FC and me have talked a bit about the path ahead of us and I was initialy working the friend of a friend in embassy of various VISA issues bringing FC to Norway as I in the beginning trust the norwegian healthsystem more than the philippino one(in general i still do). I was thinking of putting her in my spare apt (just had to throw out a renting couple) so she had a place to live as well and ofcourse give her money so she could lead a good life here close to the polar circle. But after comforting news from embassy that St Lukes is great and of great western standards we landed it is better for FC to stay in known environment with friends and family. FC tells me daily she is afraid telling her mother about her pregnancy and how mother will handle this. I tell FC she have to figure out this herself. According to FC her family runs some shops in Quezon and are in no moneytrouble so this should be interesting. What can happen here guys? She is more concerned how her parents will deal with this as long as we don't have a formalized relationship. I have told her we live in 2013 and the world have developed quite a lot from ancient catholic times. Babies are borned worldwide in general and it would prob not be a big mistake stating and in Phils more specific.

Another interesting matter is how I will deal with this telling my parents and my half pinay GF (I guess I leave her out of it as long as possible). By the way she is finishing her edu this spring and have her career up and going herself and now she is ready to have baby as well. OMG this can once again be an interesting year.

Well ultrasound is coming up in week 6 (next week) as we have chosen that to be the best. Luckely I have some doctorfriends in Norway can guide me through this pregnancy and I hand over info from St Lukes`s liason to them as a controlfunction.

Well maby interesting for some in relevant situations and just how the situation is running so far. If not the forum is crowded by healthissues, medical issues, vacsine programs, STD discussion so I will survive, hehe.

FC is moody and sensitive (normal). She have gotten a dietscheduel consisting of a lot of meat (proteins) so baby can be strong. I don't believe to much in eating vegetables and rice when pregnant (this ofcourse according to my doctorcontacts).

Pappy Skogis,

Good to see you're living up to your responsibilities after dumping your load in Ms. Quezon City Council's snatch. This will be your most expensive ejaculation ever, unless of course you decide to plant a cream pie deep in the womb of the half-breed pinay in Norway also. You seem to enjoy this breeding business. Anyway, St. Luke's Hospital is considered top class for medical care in Manila and many mongers here receive care there for their maladies.

You can forget about free healthcare in the Philippines unless you want Ms. QC Council to push that little critter out her beaver sans anesthesia and professional medical assistance. Just because her beaver tested negative for venereal diseases doesn't mean that her story about not being poked for years is credible. Remember you found her on the internet and there are millions of other mongers out there finding and fucking these girls. Also, your pork sword could be infected and not transmit a disease for any number of reasons including the possibility that you picked it up from one of your earlier bareback session but the bug did not have enough time to incubate and enter the infectious phase. If you're concerned about having a sick trouser snake it's best to get tested directly rather than concluding you're clean by proxy.

Calm down. Ms. QC Council's parents will be pissed off only long enough to find out that it wasn't the local trike driver. Once they find out that it was a rich poriner all will be forgiven. However, there will be some gossip in the neighborhood as no one would have seen the father of her bastard. It will be obvious that money changed hands in a poriner's hotel room in exchange for some clandestine activity. It's natural for her to be moody since the scandal will begin once the results of the impregnation become obvious. The fact that you have not been forthcoming with any marriage and visa plans certainly does not do much to put her in a positive mood.

Chances are that once your girlfriend in Norway finds out about your illegitimate offspring in the Philippines, she will cut off the pussy supply and look for someone without such liabilities. Women tend to have an aversion to sharing the resources of their sperm donor with the offspring of other recipients. What do you expect once you confess that you have a secret life where you pay cash to bareback strange pussies and it resulted in your fathering of a bastard?

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1405052]Pappy Skogis,

Snips. .

-living up to your responsibilities after dumping your load in Ms. Quezon City Council's snatch

-This will be your most expensive ejaculation ever.

-unless you want Ms. QC Council to push that little critter out her beaver sans anesthesia and professional medical assistance.

-pissed off only long enough to find out that it wasn't the local trike driver.

-once your girlfriend in Norway finds out about your illegitimate offspring in the Philippines, she will cut off the pussy supply.

-Women tend to have an aversion to sharing the resources of their sperm donor with the offspring of other recipients.[/QUOTE]Some great and colourful visual images there Chocha Monger interspersed with good advice for Skogis.

KongKing

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1404985]I would doulbt I am the only monger inside here having put my ass into a situation like this. I am in a way excited and in a way a bit scared. Was probably not the ideal way my parents would become grandparents and I become a father but what the heck what happens happens just deal with it.

If shit hits the fan, baby born and DNA test shows it is not mine. Well what can I do? Then I just summarise the hole exp and agree I was stupid and live with a tad smaller savings account and maby do CIM / CIF / COB / CIE (come in ear) next time. Life is a learning process even at 40.[/QUOTE]Despite any wisecracks Skogis (I think I've made at least one at your expense) , sounds like you are doing a good job with the angst and anxieties provoked by your circumstances. As for finances well, I've had a few "unplanned" pregnancies here in the US and as you can imagine, 100, 000 peso is a drop in the bucket compared to what it would cost in the western world not to mention the child support payments through to adulthood. Keep up the strong work bro.

[QUOTE=Gangles; 1404762]Hey Pete,

The problem that I had with your earlier post is the same as with this one.

You suggest a cephalsporin as a second medication. But a cephalsporin is a class of drugs, and there are many of them. I would not know which one would be most suitable for the preventive effect that I want.

But I do not know what this is. What I needed was the name of a specific drug, so that I can ask for it.[/QUOTE]4 generations of cephalosporins, like software versions 4 better than 3 better than 2 etc wrt ability to overcome resistance, breadth of spectrum etc. You can google most any of the information I post below (or have posted) and typing in "CDC" will often lead you to a link by the most up to date recommendations at least for treatment issues and recommendations.

2nd GEN: Loracarbef (Lorabid) , Cefprozil (Cefzil) , Cefuroxime (Ceftin, Zinacef) , Cefaclor (Ceclor) ; several others avail by injectiion.

3rd GEN: Cefixime (Suprax) , Cefpodoxime (Vantin) ; several others avail by injectiion.

4th GEN: Injectable only

[QUOTE=Pete Benetar; 1405153]Despite any wisecracks Skogis (I think I've made at least one at your expense) , sounds like you are doing a good job with the angst and anxieties provoked by your circumstances. As for finances well, I've had a few "unplanned" pregnancies here in the US and as you can imagine. 100, 000 peso is a drop in the bucket compared to what it would cost in the western world not to mention the child support payments through to adulthood. Keep up the strong work bro.

Wisecracks are only healthy PB and I enjoy them very much. I have voulentarely put myself on the line here and I probably wouldn't if I could not handle it. You know ISG is a great place to share info, pics and some nice stories from a mongering point of view / life but I don't live my life through here so any jokes, sarcasm, besserwissing is handled quite nice and mostly with big smile. I like to use sarcasm myself in my everydaylife but ofcourse this is a bit easier in my native language.

What is important to me right now is actually that FC girl and baby to be are given the best opertunity there is to stay healthy and safe. The problem is realy FC girl don't want to have any money from me but luckely she accepted my hospital choice and me paying hospital directly so she just arrives / departes according to doctors orders. The liason in hospital tells me upfront when I need to refill the account. Easy peacy.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1405176]

[QUOTE=Pete Benetar; 1405153]What is important to me right now is actually that FC girl and baby to be are given the best opertunity there is to stay healthy and safe. The problem is realy FC girl don't want to have any money from me but luckely she accepted my hospital choice and me paying hospital directly so she just arrives / departes according to doctors orders. The liason in hospital tells me upfront when I need to refill the account. Easy peacy.[/QUOTE]Good to go Sko. FWIW, I err on the side of generosity as you seem inclined to be. Again, very inexpensive compared to western world and once you have DNA confirmation you will have a little more peace of mind and go from there. I've had 4 kids and did DNA on each of mine, no exceptions. After my last I figured it was time to clip the tubes, keep the covers off and go hog wild. You'll get there too.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1398513][SNIP]

But I will go there on a surprise visit in a few weeks. I happen to know where she works (counsil building in Quezon City. Would not be to dangerous I guess) so that would be a great start to do some face to face "interviewing". After this visit I will make some decissions and I thank you for all the advices (and the modest mocking LOL).[/QUOTE]Skogis,

If the filipina you knocked up works at the council building in QC, or any other important government run building (city hall, hall of justice, capitol buildings, ect) there's a good chance she got the job because her family is connected or they know someone. Nepotism is the basis for alot of the better paying job hires in the Philippines. Did you ever discuss with her how she got the job?

Personally if she or any of her family members are connected I would stay out of the Philippines until you know for sure things are ok with her family. Very easy for her father, uncle, brother ect to make a few calls to find out who you are and be alerted next time you enter the Philippines. If you know her family name google it to see what comes up. Not everyone that works in a government building is connected, but when ever I ask the ones that I know how they got the job they tell me through family connections.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1404985]I have talked quite a lot to FC girl and she is comfortable with situation.[/QUOTE]Even though Filipinas are known for their honesty and integrity, the truth is there is a chance she might be carrying someone else's baby. When the day comes for the little crapping machine to be delivered it may come out looking like Kjetil André Aamodt, Manny Pacquiáo or Lou Rawls. Who knows? The Father could be anyone based on how often these Filipina Cupid girls get banged. There are lots of drunken northern Europeans travelling around the Phils dropping their load and later blaming it on the vodka so don't be assured it's yours even if it does look like you. Do yourself a favor and get a DNA check as soon little Anton makes his debut.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1404985]Through a friend of a friend working in Norwegian embassy in Manila I have been directed to St. Lukes hospital in Quezon City as for the best follow up for the FC girl and the baby to be. Have any of you fellow mongerers any advices upon this hospital (it is private and considered as one of Manilas best according to this embassy guy)?

More in general. Is it free healthcare for phil citizens like in having a baby in a regular hospital? What about consultation program, ultrasound etc etc?[/QUOTE]Some consider St. Luke's to be the best hospital in Metro Manila-or even all of the Philippines. Or so I was told by Filipino friends. I was there six years ago to check on getting an MRI of my hand. It is clean, modern looking, and seemingly professionally managed. It was initially started by Protestant American missionaries a few years after the Filipino-American war. It later became non-sectarian. In my case the quoted price was about twice that of another private hospital almost next door, Delos Santos. I went with the latter due to price and getting the procedure done several days earlier. So St. Lukes is not cheap, but an MRI is not a life-threatening procedure.

There are much cheaper government-run hospitals, including in Quezon City, but CM correctly points out that conditions are often sub-standard and outcomes can be unpredictable. Life is cheap in the mindsets of many workers in those institutions.

One thing to check out is whether the hospital expects payment up front. Unlike in Western countries, where patients get to pay off the bill after the fact, some private hospitals in the Philippines expect payment before they will operate.

[QUOTE=Stroker Ace88; 1405253]Skogis,

If the filipina you knocked up works at the council building in QC, or any other important government run building (city hall, hall of justice, capitol buildings, ect) there's a good chance she got the job because her family is connected or they know someone. Nepotism is the basis for alot of the better paying job hires in the Philippines. Did you ever discuss with her how she got the job?

Personally if she or any of her family members are connected I would stay out of the Philippines until you know for sure things are ok with her family. Very easy for her father, uncle, brother ect to make a few calls to find out who you are and be alerted next time you enter the Philippines. If you know her family name google it to see what comes up. Not everyone that works in a government building is connected, but when ever I ask the ones that I know how they got the job they tell me through family connections.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the advice but as far as I know she has got her possition through education and not contacts. She is doing some campaigning for the coming election in May I think it was but works normaly in the Quezon Council building next to a big park. Family as in mother, father and her sister are running four small familymarts according to ms FC Counsil girl. FC girl don't want to be in charge of the last one. She mentioned the first day we met as we where passing the police headquarter on our way for bedsession, driving the distance Quezon. Makati, she did infact had an aunty beeing a policeofficer (training other police in the policeacademy). It does not seems her family and herself are in any moneytrouble. She have given me grand tour (webcam) of her house and it looks big and decent with modern electricityarrangments, modern furniture and a few bathrooms, hehe. She was kind to show her pussy as well but that is another story. So I feel safe and I have contacts in the norwegian embassy and he is very helpful giving me advices (worked as diplomat for many years in Makati).

She talks in a way about her parents as they are very kind people so it might well be true. She is still a bit afraid of telling her mother in particular. In a way so am I when times come, hehe, so I guess that is normal. But thanks for the heads up.

[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1405274]One thing to check out is whether the hospital expects payment up front. Unlike in Western countries, where patients get to pay off the bill after the fact, some private hospitals in the Philippines expect payment before they will operate.[/QUOTE]I was directed to St Lukes as I believe the norwegian diplomats at the embassy uses this place for healthissues. My contact directed me to the liason at the hospital (I am told he is handling payment from the embassy as well and are trustworthy). The liason contacted me and gave me details for electronicaly transfering money into a account. So far I have put 30000PHP into it. I passed the info on to my handling officer in my bank and she fixed the rest with St Lukes (so details from that I don't know). When money runs out liason will upfront advice me to send more and so I will. He sends me scanned copies of bills through e-mails. FC girl can just come and go as the doctor tells her and I guess they see in their computersystem that she is all good and everything is paid for. So in a way I have paid upfront. My embassy contact didn't blink his eye when I told him so I guess maby this is quite normal to do. It seems to be a serious hospital with good rep I guess diplomats will accept no less than the best, hehe.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1405284]IIt seems to be a serious hospital with good rep I guess diplomats will accept no less than the best, hehe.[/QUOTE]Compared to the rest, St Lukes is a professional Outfit. Run by a missionary group.

Though, as it is in Philippines, confidentiality is always at stake.

For diplomats, well, most of the time, Diplomats are advised to go for post-billing hospitals, and St Lukes and the lot are in the list due to their marketing campaigns for expats!

So, yes, they are good, but because diplomats and expats patronise 'them don't make 'them ZE BEST. (just my 2 cents.)

There are better and caring doctors and hospitals, but they aren't around manila. Sad to say.

[QUOTE=Skip Kost;1405274]There are much cheaper government-run hospitals, including in Quezon City, but CM correctly points out that conditions are often sub-standard and outcomes can be unpredictable. Life is cheap in the mindsets of many workers in those institutions.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't quite paint the government hospital staff, doctors and nurses alike, in such a bad faith.

I know enough in Manila, and also outside, and far away, and those in Govt hospital are doing the best, with their limited resources, and the staff have resisted the temptation to scoot overseas shows their commitment and care for the govt hospital patients.

Enough said, back to the subject.

As if I needed still another reminder of the general haplessness of consumer culture here, I received it again today as once more, Cebu Pathetic Airlines lived down to my expectations. I've got an important meeting in Cebu tomorrow morning, and so bought a ticket on a Cebu Pathetic flight schduled to leave this morning at 11:30. I've got a good contact with one of the airport guys who, for some consideration, meets me at the airport entrance with my boarding pass and departure tax coupon, thus allowing me to avoid having to hang around well in advaance of flight departure times. This morning, he texted me to let me know that the flight would be delayed by 30 minutes. When I got to the airport however, I noted that no new departure time was listed on the board, so I asked one of the desk agents, who might be old enough to start shaving in a year or two, when the flilght was leaving. He returned the typical deer-in-the-headlights "huh" stare and finally admitted he had no idea. Finally, and hour and 3 or 4 people later, one surly desk jockey mumbled that the flight would leave Cebu at noon, arrive Davao 45 minutes later, and take off again for Cebu at 1:15. That being the case, I left the airport to have some lunch. I returned about 1 only to be told by my airport buddy that the flight was postponed until tomorrow morning because of technical problems. So, having wasted about 4 hours, I bought a ticket on another airline with a flight for early evening.

The bottom line for me of course is that I wasted the entire day, which is attributable solely to the stolid stupidity, incompetence and genuine indifference of Cebu Pathetic's management. As far as I could tell, I was the only foreigner with tickets, and the newly-disenfranchised Filipinos accepted it all with bovine placidity. This reinforced two lessons learned long ago: lesson one, that there's no value placed here on time, efficiency or competence in any recognizable form; number 2, that Filipinos are so habituated to wretched service that for them, it's the norm. How anyone can remain genuinely optimistic about the prospects for development here is beyond me.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1406281]bovine placidity. : lesson one, that there's no value placed here on time, efficiency or competence in any recognizable form; .

GE[/QUOTE]Great phrase." bovine placidity".

However its not restricted to the Philippines.

Two weeks back I took a train ride from Shanghai to Hangzhou.

On arriving in Hangzhou was directed to the taxi queue which was in a basement, and the queue (line) was about 5 wide and 250 deep. A few cripples and others were also there as they had a captive begging market.

Various other train travellers walked up and basically ignored the end of the queue and headed as close to the front as they could get.

No one blinked, batted or bawled. Till Johnny Foreigner (me) started to suggest " Oi Chinese fellow, how about you start queuing at the back instead of the front ".

The Chinese fellows to whom this was said gave an equally bovine type look at me and headed back to the back of the line.

All the time I'm thinking, surely there will be a hostile reaction to the queue jumpers or to the white boys suggestions. But no. Mute bovine type acceptence.

I actually saw a t-shirt today that said "Its More Fun Commuting by Jeepney." It had a pic of a jeepney chugging down the road with passengers that had their heads out the windows smiling and waving. Of course the black smoke was billowing out of the back. I've been on a jeepney exactly ONCE in my life and at 6'1" my head was between my knees. I was an aching sweaty, miserable and ill tempered white guy needing assistance in de-jeepneying by the time we got to where we were going which was only a mile (30 minutes) away. I was ready to puke on my legs and feet by the time the ride got us to where we were going. If I am ever ever ever forced to ride one of those things again, I'll just bring a rubber hose, attach it to the exhaust and kill myself then and there. Can you imagine 2 or 3 rides to and from work in 2 or 3 different jeepneys? No wonder customer service is so [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor. They're brain dead from all of the fumes by the time they get to work. Yes, commuting is more fun in a jeepney. Utterly stupid t-shirt. After 3 months of living here full time I now know why foreigners aren't allowed to possess or own firearms.

[QUOTE=Dante2; 1406610]Why no Cebu forum?

Where does Cebu talk go?

Weird to see a davao thread but not cebu[/QUOTE]It sure its weird to see a Davao, dog city, thread, but no, Cebu Sexy City thread, in amongst all the other threads.

We have been through this all before, that is, us guys who want to see Cebu thread listed in amongst all other threads. That is, there IS a Cebu City thread, but you have to be in the know to find it.

You have to have inside knowledge to locate Cebu. I think a lot of newbies do not know that the city and mongering in that city exists!

Next post in 2 mins I will give you the url to click. Once you get the thread, record it as a Favourites. Thats the way I get it anyway. Looks for my next post and the key to Cebu.

[QUOTE=Dante2; 1406610]Why no Cebu forum?

Where does Cebu talk go?

Weird to see a davao thread but not cebu[/QUOTE]Click the following link and then make it your Favourites. Others will have a more sophisticated way to find it I suppose.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?773-The-Philippines-Cebu[/url]

[QUOTE=Dante2; 1406610]Why no Cebu forum?

Where does Cebu talk go?[/QUOTE]Link to Cebu Forum:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?773-The-Philippines-Cebu[/url]

[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1406281]The bottom line for me of course is that I wasted the entire day, which is attributable solely to the stolid stupidity, incompetence and genuine indifference of Cebu Pathetic's management. As far as I could tell, I was the only foreigner with tickets, and the newly-disenfranchised Filipinos accepted it all with bovine placidity. This reinforced two lessons learned long ago: lesson one, that there's no value placed here on time, efficiency or competence in any recognizable form; number 2, that Filipinos are so habituated to wretched service that for them, it's the norm. How anyone can remain genuinely optimistic about the prospects for development here is beyond me.

GE[/QUOTE]Thanks for reminding me of these things. Just booked a 3P tix which needs to fly ontime otherwise I miss a connection.

As for aircraft technical issues perhaps the staff genuinely don't know. If the aircraft goes you / s then the techs nee towork on it and would give a best estimate of the fix time based on not even getting a decent look at the problem. As tey get into it they don't want constant enquiry as to how the work is progressing, when will it be fixed it. That leads to accidents and omissions. And you already stress is not a Phils attribute for high performance.

Actually your story has made me seriously reconsider my itinerary though. If it goes wrong though, I'll get to spend more days in Cebu. That's not a bad thing.

I think they cancel the same flight every day, as they did same to me, but I had the option of changing the flight both ways so worked out good for me.they did send me a text that the flight from Cebu was cancelled and gave me several options.

[QUOTE=Econo Tech; 1405326]Compared to the rest, St Lukes is a professional outfit. Run by a missionary group.

Though, as it is in Philippines, confidentiality is always at stake.

For diplomats, well, most of the time, diplomats are advised to go for post-billing hospitals, and St Lukes and the lot are in the list due to their marketing campaigns for expats!

So, yes, they are good, but because diplomats and expats patronise 'them don't make 'them ZE BEST. (just my 2 cents.)

There are better and caring doctors and hospitals, but they aren't around Manila. Sad to say.[/QUOTE]Then where else in the Phils are they?

As my response to D2 is a long one, I've copied the most recent posts on this topic from the PGCC thread to here as our discussion doesn't really belong there and this seemed like the best place to continue it.

[QUOTE=Dante2;1407067]Do they do lesbo stuff? Or is it just you with one then you with the other?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Pip Jaeger; 1407307]They'll do anything you want for a large enough donation; something you don't seem inclined to do. But even if do decide to compensate them adequately for their time, how do you plan on finding them? What are you going to do, stand on a corner with a picket sign? You think these girls are the only ones walking around on Fields / Perimeter? You don't want to join ISG as a paid member, so no one can PM you with specific info as to where L & M like to hang out, work at or with their contact numbers / info (not that I would anyhow nor would I or anyone in their right mind post it on an open board).

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I envision you as one of those grungy backpacker types that L & M (and many many other girls) would avoid anyhow. Give up your quest of trying to get contact info from paying members; members who have not only paid their $20 to ISG, but who have also been there, paid their dues and who have given back to this board in the form of posting meaningful, informative and helpful FR's as well as photos.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Dante2; 1407464]How would I find them? They are freelancers on walking street and its not a big place, and there is video right here. Probably will walk past the one from the video on my first night, but certainly will over time.

Did I ask for contact info? No. I asked if when they did 3somes they were active with each other, so don't act like I asked him to post their number on the open board when I didn't.

Pretty sure most girls would rather go with me then the average poster on this board, and if one goes with me once they always want to go again even though I don't pay them a ton,

The only place in PI I could share my experience was manila / makati. I did, unless you want me to be pink pearl and make stuff up I can't really share any meaningfu TR's yet, some of you need to realize that your attitudes toward noobs might be the reason many come here and only "take" because U-turn them off from wanting to come back.[/QUOTE]You honestly think you're merely going to stroll down Fields and find L & M shortly after your arrival or even find them at all? You really are clueless. Yes, walking street itself is not a big geographic area, but factor in all of the side streets, the stretch of Fields between the walking street bars and perimeter bars as well as the perimeter bar area itself; now add the 6, 000 plus bar girls as well as all of the regular local girls and your chances are slim to none.

No, you didn't ask for contact info. Now we know why; it's because you're living in a fantasy world where you are dreaming of miraculously meeting them on the crowded and bustling streets (which are probably near vacant in your mind). Oh, and let us not forget all of the other mongers in AC you'll be competing with too; I'd say your chances of finding them just went from slim to none to mission impossible.

IMHO even if you did per chance meet up with L & M and you somehow managed to get them to agree to go with you, then without any photos (which you can't post) to back up your FR most of us here wouldn't believe a word of it anyhow.

Even though you say you don't have any interest in the PG thread do yourself a favor and take a look at it. You'll find thousands of girls who have gone with hundreds (and in reality, thousands) of "average" posters / readers of ISG. If you think you're something special you're delusional. But then again your screen name is undoubtedly taken from the cartoon character in the "Devil May Cry" video game (was a hot item with the "tween" crowd a few years back, so that should tell you something right there about D2) and not the Italian poet. So perhaps you really are a delusional narcissist who thinks he's a gift from the gods. Do you honestly think you're going to have all of the fair maidens of the Phils bowing at your dirty feet? And, with your magical super powers, you will one handedly slay the evil ISG members who criticize you? Get real dude.

What gets me is you can afford to travel and slum around in SEA, but not the $20? I don't buy it. Being frugal is one thing (and there's nothing wrong it; plenty of guys save up all year and travel to the Phils on a tight budget) , but being TOO cheap is something else. Sometimes you have to swallow a little pride and eat a little crow to move ahead and gain peoples' respect. But I guess that by now ponying up the 20 bucks has become a matter of principle with you. However, without hard evidence of your encounter (s) , I for one would certainly treat any FR about L & M you may post (and probably any other FR's too) as indeed a work of fiction.

You've brought the hostility upon yourself by initially asking questions that could've been answered by RTFF, gleamed from other boards and simple Google / Yahoo searches. You're just lazy and didn't want to invest the time doing your homework. In addition, instead of taking the advice of forum members you've made inflammatory remarks / responses about (and to) well respected members here. Can you blame them for their reaction?

You started to gain some respect with your FR's from Makati, but then you climbed right back onto your high horse and IMHO lost what little ground you gained. And FYI, many new members have been welcomed here with open arms, but they typically don't start off by asking frivolous questions and provoking other members.

Personally I spent considerable time RTFF as a lurker before I joined ISG; I then introduced myself and asked my first question (about info I couldn't find on the board). I received a quite a few PM's from senior members who not only took the time to welcome me, but to provide a lot of useful tips and info. Shortly thereafter I traveled to the Phils, posted some reports AND photos. Since then I believe I have gained the respect, trust and perhaps even some admiration of many members here. I've also met up with several members in person and have become friends with most of them; we continue to exchange PM's and emails, which has greatly helped to enhance my experience and I've even been able to reciprocate a few times providing help to them.

D2, you're looking at it the wrong way. The $20 isn't just about being able to look at the pics in the PG; it's about networking and making friends with the genuinely good people here on ISG (and not just the Phils forum) who are more than willing to help a newbie. By and large these are people who have no expectation of getting anything in return and who don't have any hidden agenda; just a true desire to help other mongers (young and old) have the best possible experience and avoid some of the more common perils and pitfalls. Yeah, there are some guys here with big egos and some who get off on provoking others, but this is true of any board and if you had taken the time to RTFF you would know who they are. Then you could've decided how best to deal with or communicate with them. But, by antagonizing respected members and not joining, you've not only alienated yourself from all of them, you've completely disregarded a very valuable resource; namely their considerable wealth of information; information that's not often shared on a public board. To me, what happens behind the scene is just as important as what is shared publicly. And there's something else you're missing out on; you can easily get yourself into trouble in the Phils. At least now I can take comfort in the knowledge that when I'm over 10, 000 miles from home I have friends who I can call on for help. Who are you going call, one of your fictional video game characters like Trish or Vergil? Let me know how that works for ya, ok?

How you proceed from this point forward is, as they say in the Phils,"up to you". You can either swallow a little pride or you can continue being viewed by the majority as a cheap ass who wants to take more then he gives; at least not give anything that would be taken seriously and be considered of value. Sooner or later you'll either pay up or get tired of being rebuked and just go away. But for now at least you do, IMHO, provide us with a distraction and some entertainment. And in case you don't get it, we're laughing at you; not with you.

Children,

This has been going on for weeks now. For folks who state they're going to ignore Dante you're failing miserably. There is the ignore button; give it a try. Same for you Dante; you know your critics, so add them to your ignore list.

Someone wrote that Dante has "provoked" members. Rubbish. This is a rather childish comment. One CHOOSES to be provoked, and for whatever reason several members can't control themselves.

Until Dante recently posted a comment calling some members "assholes" he has refrained from personal attacks. The same cannot be said for many senior members, whose attacks have been relentless. Face facts folks, Dante's posts are IAW the privileges given to a regular member. What piques many here is his refusal to subscribe. Non-paying membership is permitted by the owner. Seems to me when you attack a non-paying member for exercising his privileges you are by logical extension attacking the owner. Is this your intent?

What also concerns me is the attack by a moderator, one who by the very definition of his position is to arbitrate or mediate, i.e. sort out the conflict and / or put an end to it. The moderator should have stepped in when the personal attacks began rather than add fuel to the fire. Moderator, care to explain yourself?

Admin, could you please assign a fair-minded moderator to the Philippines section? Westcoast is absolutely correct that the Philippines section is amongst the ISG's best, but a sheriff is needed to police both regular and senior members' posts when situations such as this persist ad nauseam. Thank you.

Just a heads up for anyone planning a trip or about to arrive.

The summer has arrived early.

It was 40 degrees C today in a number of places in Luzon; 33 in Manila; 34 in Boracay and 33 in Cebu today. I have lived through 16 previous summers and it is definitely as hot as I can ever remember for early April.

All the locals are talking about it.

Be warned, and if you cannot handle really hot weather, change your plans for later in the year.

Three weeks ago I was up to my knees in snow. 30+ is nice on the beach.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1408591]Just a heads up for anyone planning a trip or about to arrive.

The summer has arrived early.

It was 40 degrees C today in a number of places in Luzon; 33 in Manila; 34 in Boracay and 33 in Cebu today. I have lived through 16 previous summers and it is definitely as hot as I can ever remember for early April.

All the locals are talking about it.

Be warned, and if you cannot handle really hot weather, change your plans for later in the year.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hutsori; 1408574]Children,

Until Dante recently posted a comment calling some members "assholes" he has refrained from personal attacks. The same cannot be said for many senior members, whose attacks have been relentless. Face facts folks, Dante's posts are IAW the privileges given to a regular member. What piques many here is his refusal to subscribe. Non-paying membership is permitted by the owner. Seems to me when you attack a non-paying member for exercising his privileges you are by logical extension attacking the owner.[/QUOTE]Not sure about your logic here but I would not characterize at all what David wrote as "an attack". I think it's good to have contrarian points of view, so long as you don't mind getting the point from the other side of the fence. I don't think anyone in the admin would characterize the comments directed toward anyone in this thread as a violation of any of ISGs rules of conduct, the "elders" included. You seem very sensitive yourself on this topic. A member / moderator suggests "ignoring" and confirming the exceedingly cheap mentality of another member and you think the moderator is in "attack" mode?

[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver;1405270]Even though Filipinas are known for their honesty and integrity,…[/QUOTE]Yes, the little saints have unrivalled world renown for being incapable of telling lies and their unquestionable integrity. This high level of credibility is precisely why so many lonely Western men swarm to the Philippines to marry.

[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver]… the truth is there is a chance she might be carrying someone else's baby. When the day comes for the little crapping machine to be delivered it may come out looking like Kjetil André Aamodt, Manny Pacquiáo or Lou Rawls. Who knows? The Father could be anyone based on how often these Filipina Cupid girls get banged.[/QUOTE]So true! These FC girls get bombarded with requests to meet at various hotels for bareback banging sessions from thousands of mongers each year. Many mongers, on this board alone, state that FC is their favorite site for finding Filipinas for some quick cum shot and screams. In fact, FC's popularity with mongers appears to be rapidly eclipsing that of DIA.

[QUOTE=Screaming Beaver]There are lots of drunken northern Europeans travelling around the Phils dropping their load and later blaming it on the vodka so don't be assured it's yours even if it does look like you. Do yourself a favor and get a DNA check as soon little Anton makes his debut.[/QUOTE]That last piece of advice should be a law for every foreigner who thinks he is the father of a child in the Philippines. In fact, the US Embassy will not recognize any birth certificates claiming a US citizen is the father of a Flip baby without a valid DNA test from an approved lab.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1408677]So true! These FC girls get bombarded with requests to meet at various hotels for bareback banging sessions from thousands of mongers each year. Many mongers, on this board alone, state that FC is their favorite site for finding Filipinas for some quick cum shot and screams. In fact, FC's popularity with mongers appears to be rapidly eclipsing that of DIA.[/QUOTE]Nothing to disagree with but remember the pool of pinay poon on just FC is fairly large; just searched and found one site (FindTheBest; I have no idea honestly as to accuracy) that reports nearly 600, 000 members on FC and about 28% of those are pinays. 72% may be mongerers or hubby wannabe's but the number actually showing up to deliver is just a tiny fraction of that IMO.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1408677]Yes, the little saints have unrivalled world renown for being incapable of telling lies and their unquestionable integrity. This high level of credibility is precisely why so many lonely Western men swarm to the Philippines to marry.

So true! These FC girls get bombarded with requests to meet at various hotels for bareback banging sessions from thousands of mongers each year. Many mongers, on this board alone, state that FC is their favorite site for finding Filipinas for some quick cum shot and screams. In fact, FC's popularity with mongers appears to be rapidly eclipsing that of DIA.

That last piece of advice should be a law for every foreigner who thinks he is the father of a child in the Philippines. In fact, the US Embassy will not recognize any birth certificates claiming a US citizen is the father of a Flip baby without a valid DNA test from an approved lab.[/QUOTE]Luckely I have no illusions of pinays beeing honest. Frankly I lie so why should not they lie. Atleast this is my startpossition (and have allways been). What I expect and so on. It is the same at the Norwegian embassy and I can not just show up with little Erik / Erika and get a norwegian social security number and claiming him / her to be a norwegian citizen without proof. Actually I was happy when I learned that so I have a nice excuse to take this DNA test. My FC Quezon Council girl did not seem a tad worried when I told her so she claims it is my soldiers making her preggy.

I will fullfill my duties as a "father to be" with paying the St Lukes accordingly and when something pops out (approx 7, 5months) we will see. If it is mine then fine and if its not well I have lost approx 200000. 250000php (this is what St Lukes has told me it will cost in rough numbers). I don't mind. And to the FC girls defends she has not asked me for a single penny. This hospital was my idea and she agreed. For the session she would not take anything so I did the envelope and "gift" trick (not a new invention) just so I could feel better after juicing her up (and obviously I did).

I could not have been in a better position as I am now. I have a decent excuse to travel in and out to Manila (I just have to lie to my half pinay GF in Norway but that I am used to). I have created a new profile in both FC and DIA (I started with Dia) but I use a slightly brushed pic of myself so no one knowing me can recognize me but still so I can get away with it when meeting new girls either in real life or in webcam (important). So according to my new profiles I am actually Canadian, hehe, but from the english speaking areas as I can next to zero french. This time I will go for more ICON or Palladium girls (yes I know they are the same as you can meet everywhere else) and according to my intel Paladium should be reopened when I arrive. This time I just narrow my mongering from Ascott Makati and keep it close with occationaly expeditions to Greenbelt 3 area. ICON is just across the big roundabout. That is it pretty much. There will be a lot more CIB / COF / CIA / CIM and not so much ejaculations inside.

Thank you hutsori, one small correction though, I never even called people on this board assholes, when talking to sofia I said "people on message boards are assholes" meaning in general, because for whatever reason when some people get behind a keyboard they like to be jerks.

Saw the freelancer from the video tonight. 99% sure it was her, looked pretty cute in person but was already with an old guy (and a girl, not sure if it was same girl chris had 3some with)

This was in my first night of walking around for 45 minutes.

Walking street is a tiny place, if you want to bump into a girl here its bound to happen.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1408691]I will fullfill my duties as a "father to be" with paying the St Lukes accordingly and when something pops out (approx 7, 5months) we will see. If it is mine then fine and if its not well I have lost approx 200000. 250000php (this is what St Lukes has told me it will cost in rough numbers). I don't mind. And to the FC girls defends she has not asked me for a single penny. This hospital was my idea and she agreed. For the session she would not take anything so I did the envelope and "gift" trick (not a new invention) just so I could feel better after juicing her up (and obviously I did).[/QUOTE]Well, the brotherhood of mongers will certainly appreciate your 250, 000 PHP contribution to building the credibility of the community so they can continue with their important work in the Philippine Republic. Without such philanthropy the girls would surely cease to eagerly offer up their naughty bits to the sexual tourists and sexpats routinely washed ashore with the evening tide. Guys like you, generous baby-daddies, and marrying types play a key role in public relations and advertising for the institution. You provide a critical counterbalance to the anti-monger propaganda machine funded by Western governments, non-governmental organizations, and religious missionaries. These propagandists seek to destroy monger credibility, and they nearly succeeded recently when the ambassador from one of the Philippines' largest donor nations publicly declared that the majority of his fellow male citizens visiting the Republic of the Philippines were mongers! For several months after that it seemed that every Filipina I met for an audition wanted reassurance that I wasn't 'one of those guys. ' So, even if the baby turns out to be from the sperms of some other ISG photo gallery enthusiast or a friendly Quezon City trike driver, your money would not have been spent in vain. Word of your generosity will spread throughout Quezon and beyond making girls more willing to show up for random bareback cum-in-pussy sessions with drunken foreign mongers in hotel rooms.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1408824]Well, the brotherhood of mongers will certainly appreciate your 250, 000 PHP contribution to building the credibility of the community so they can continue with their important work in the Philippine Republic. Without such philanthropy the girls would surely cease to eagerly offer up their naughty bits to the sexual tourists and sexpats routinely washed ashore with the evening tide. Guys like you, generous baby-daddies, and marrying types play a key role in public relations and advertising for the institution. You provide a critical counterbalance to the anti-monger propaganda machine funded by Western governments, non-governmental organizations, and religious missionaries. These propagandists seek to destroy monger credibility, and they nearly succeeded recently when the ambassador from one of the Philippines' largest donor nations publicly declared that the majority of his fellow male citizens visiting the Republic of the Philippines were mongers! For several months after that it seemed that every Filipina I met for an audition wanted reassurance that I wasn't 'one of those guys. ' So, even if the baby turns out to be from the sperms of some other ISG photo gallery enthusiast or a friendly Quezon City trike driver, your money would not have been spent in vain. Word of your generosity will spread throughout Quezon and beyond making girls more willing to show up for random bareback cum-in-pussy sessions with drunken foreign mongers in hotel rooms.[/QUOTE]In the big picture this is just a small contribution and nothing to write home about (not that I can as this has to be a hidden part of my life as for now) , hehe. As I viewed my options I landed 2 choices: 1. Just don't give a fuck (it was a fuck created this mess after all) and vanish from the face of the Philippines and 2. Take her word for it that it is my baby and see how it plays out in the end. I will find out eventually. And if it is my baby then I atleast did make sure baby and mother did have the best care there is during pregnancy and finaly birth as well. If it is not mine then FC Quezon Council girl and the trike driver / or another ISG member hopefully will be more than happy with my contribution. Must I be rewarded at the end so atleast she gives me a "this is for all your trouble" fuck (I will not shoot her up once more).

I am happy to help. (smiley)

[QUOTE=Red Kilt;1408591]Be warned, and if you cannot handle really hot weather, change your plans for later in the year.[/QUOTE]Yup, its a scorcher this year. Never known it be so hot in April. My Meralco bill is going to be sky high this month!

[quote=cunning stunt;1408863]yup, its a scorcher this year. never known it be so hot in april. my meralco bill is going to be sky high this month![/quote]for those thinking of heading south, i can assure you that the situation in davao isn't much different, and the temperatures are flirting with 40 every day, with a heat index reading of 42 or so. it is hot, and i imagine it's going to get hotter still in may. my electric bill went up php1, 000 from last month to this month and i guess it will increase again before the summer ends. as yet, we've not been subjected to the black outs being suffered by consumers in other parts of mindanao.

speaking of the well know mindanao power deficit, there was a lengthy article in the inquirer yesterday or the day before bemoaning the fact that politicians have known about the impending crisis for about ten years, but in typical filipino fashion have done nothing about it but make speeches. i guess we're now reaping the dubious benefits of monopolistic control of the power sector, lack of competition and corruption. the bottom line of course, as always here, is that no one with the power to ameliorate the situaton gives a damn unless he sees a way of exploiting the situtation to his own advantage. the general economy of the region suffers of course from a lack of reliable power, but in the end, so long as the oligarchs aren't affected, no one cares. t'was ever thus here and will be so for the foreseeable future.

the ovine multitudes here are so habituated to lousy service and crumbling infrastructure that they accept it as the norm, which may partially explain why, as the rest of se asia becomes more developed each year the philippines happily bobs along in a sea of mediocrity.

ge

[quote=goodenough;1408899]speaking of the well know mindanao power deficit, there was a lengthy article in the inquirer yesterday or the day before bemoaning the fact that politicians have known about the impending crisis for about ten years, but in typical filipino fashion have done nothing about it but make speeches. i guess we're now reaping the dubious benefits of monopolistic control of the power sector, lack of competition and corruption. the bottom line of course, as always here, is that no one with the power to ameliorate the situaton gives a damn unless he sees a way of exploiting the situtation to his own advantage. the general economy of the region suffers of course from a lack of reliable power, but in the end, so long as the oligarchs aren't affected, no one cares. t'was ever thus here and will be so for the foreseeable future.[/quote]trust you ge, to turn a simple comment about the hot weather and my high meralco bill, into a vehement statement about the lamentable ineptitude, verging on the criminal, that percolates down through every rotten level of the economic and political strata of this mismanaged, dysfunctional country.

but you may be interested to know how this impacts on the peso in yours and my pockets. the cost of power to the end user, in the philippines is easily the highest in south east asia and is amongst the highest in the world. converted to us cents / kwh, this is what electricity costs here in comparison to a selection of other countries.

philippines 30.46

singapore 21.53

hong kong 12.02 to 24.0

thailand 4.46 to 9.79

usa 8.00 to 17.37

uk 20.0

germany is slightly higher. only denmark, amongst other european countries is significantly higher. the rest are cheaper.

interesting, huh? the corruption, mismanagement etc and the concomitantly ridiculously inflated cost of power not only means that your utility bill is artificially high but also pushes up the prices of goods in the marketplace and keeps a fair chunk of the population in energy poverty. when you and i are concerned about high monthly bills because air con units are running day and night, we should perhaps spare a thought for the millions of poor filipinos who have to ration the amount of time that they can use their single household fan.

it could also go to explain why hotel prices here are so much higher than their regional competitors. i.e thailand.

CS, it's my lot in life to take everything as a metaphor I suppose, but of course living here makes that proclivity easy to act on. You're correct in that the ridiculous cost of the unreliable energy affects virtually every aspect of the economy, further discouraging potential investors. Of course I doubt that this upsets the olligarchs who are perfectly content to control what amounts to a fairly closed economy that discourages innovation and risk taking. When I dwell on the whole macro mess of the country, it saddens me, because this place is destined to remain, I believe, a country of unrealized potential, and yes it saddens me as well when I consider the day-to-day struggle, marginal life quality and lack of any chance of upward mobilty for the average Filipino. This country has always been run for the benefit of the few at the expense of the many: first the Spanish, then the Americans and now the oligarchs and their associates. It's not going to change any time soon.

My business partner pointed out a couple of weeks ago, that with one of the highest birth rates in the world, the Philippines adds 1. 9 new Filipinos per year. I don't know the annual death rate, but the net increase in population is substantial, meaning that the pressure on a basically dysfunctional economy for job creation will continue to grow and the gap between haves and have-nots will increase. Given that this country produces virtually nothing (but cheap labor) that the rest of the world wants or needs, and gets the lowest amount of direct foreign investment of any country in ASEAN except Brunei, things don't look likely to improve. The higly reputed Economist Cielito Habito has a column in today's Inquirer in which he talks about how unprepared the country is for ASEAN economic integration which is coming in 2015, which may mean that the countries that are preparing; Malaysia, Thailand and Singapore, for example, will eventually influence large swaths of this economy.

It's been 6 months or so since I've left the country to remind myself that there are other, more functional places. Clearly, the time is approaching for me to get out for a week or two.

GE