Angeles City

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]and you really believe this amount would good enough for a cuty to quit the job in a bar? Holy Moses, for me very hard to believe! :)

Cheers!

Hesekiels[/QUOTE]I too agree - who will pay for the facial, spa, and mamma's birthday party, and sisters first day at school, and cousin's very important 18th birthday, and more importantly, papa's grand 60 year birthday party, and even more importantly, brothers' wife's baby shower and?

No way jose - 50US will not even scratch the surface.

[QUOTE=Sharka]True, the pinoys are more tolerant than the Viets or Thai ladies I've met in the past.

Hell, I remember one pinoy last time at (I think it was the Cambodia bar) that ONLY went with blacks and turn down all the white and asian guys, so mostly depend on the individual girls.

Shark[/QUOTE]I knew one filipina, who gets immensly turned on when the pain/pleasure of the guy's cock hitting her womb (her exact words .. )

Not just any black, she only also was hitting on really extra long guys - any race .. so much so, she had this "who's is bigger than who's" contests going on.

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]and you really believe this amount would good enough for a cuty to quit the job in a bar? Holy Moses, for me very hard to believe! :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels[/QUOTE]

He is talking about the cost to the courier to SEND IT, not $5 per month to keep her happy

In addition to what Sharka has explained, Devils 1 might be trying to figure out geographic locations. It is a bit confusing because the two different names refer to the same street.

Fields is the name of the road (strip) immediately west of MacArthur Hwy. Once the road is adjacent to "front gate", the road headed west is then called Perimeter. I imagine that this is because this is where the Perimeter fence begins.

If you haven't already found Wayne's AC map, you should search for that.

I once ran into a newbie who was trying to walk from the Mabalacat bus terminal (in Dau)down MacArthur Hwy to downtown, AC. Wrong. The Fields bar area is on the northern edge of Angeles city just south of the old base as well as the town of Dau. He had already passed the Field's interestion. I was down in the Diamond area and he was damn lucky I was there to give him directions.

X

[QUOTE=Sharka]In simple terms:
Differences between the 2 locations:
1) Barfines and drinks are generally cheaper at Perimeter
2)Much more selection of ladies at Fields (most of the mega-bars are located in Fields, bars at Perimeter tend to be much smaller.
3) Fields will be open most of the nite while Perimeter Rd bars closes early (some by 9pm and others between 9-10:30pm)

You'll know the differences once you been here a day or so and scope out both locations.
Have fun.

Hope this helps

Shark[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]and you really believe this amount would good enough for a cuty to quit the job in a bar? Holy Moses, for me very hard to believe! :)

Cheers!

Hesekiels[/QUOTE]I will refrase.

The amount to send a transaction through Xoom is $4.99 ($5US).

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]He is talking about the cost to the courier to SEND IT, not $5 per month to keep her happy[/QUOTE]And that's 4.99 USD only!

Anyway, you are right, my mistake! Sorry!

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Hi,

I'm planning a first time trip to phillipines for 8 days. I would like some suggestions of where to find the hotest chicks and what to pay? I'm going to AC, Borocay and manilla. And also any advice of what the girl scene is like in Borocay?

Any suggestions for a first timer and good advice would be appreciated.

Thank you

[quote=aus dodo]hi,

i'm planning a first time trip to phillipines for 8 days. i would like some suggestions of where to find the hotest chicks and what to pay? i'm going to ac, borocay and manilla. and also any advice of what the girl scene is like in borocay?

any suggestions for a first timer and good advice would be appreciated.

thank you[/quote]

you just need to monger around man. in ac there will be hot chicks rep001tered. there's no one bar that is filled with hot chicks. you'll see some very average, some downright ugly and some really hot. but, if it's your first time, i would check out the big bars first (club atlantis, crystal palace for example) mainly because of the shows. good to just look first.

i haven't been to boracay myself. it's located south of manila. you can take cebu pacific air domestic from manila to boracay or, if you're in angeles city, you can take cebu pacific air domestic from clark airport (diosdado macapagal international airport) to boracay also.

you're pretty much going to land in manila airport (ninoy aquino international airport) first, go through customs etc. you can stay in manila first, check out the scene here. then, take a taxi or bus to angeles city which will be a 2-4 hour ride one way depending if you're going by taxi or bus. angeles city is a good 50 miles north of manila city. or, you can stay in manila for a few nights then head to boracay on cebu pacific air. then, take cebu pacific air domestic and head to clark airport in angeles city.

Any of the local foreigners having problems walking down the street lately with their maganda girlfriends/wives.2 months ago my buddy and I got in a big scene where I had a sign waving in my face before the police broke it up. And tonight we left the anglewitch/skytrax area, I took a trike because pilay and my buddy, hiswife and a hottie never showed because they got in a fight on the way to voodoo, and had to go to the police station. Were talking about a guy who has lived here for about 10 years.... His wife is smoking hot, but WTF???? About as relaxed and layed back as you can be...
Still very safe, just be aware you are a target. The scam I have seen lately, its old but havent seen in a while, a cigarrette vendor another guy will get you in between them and pretend to start a fight and swing at each other hoping ypou will swing. If you stick with the ugly ones probably no problem,haha

[QUOTE=Aus Dodo]Hi,

I'm planning a first time trip to phillipines for 8 days. I would like some suggestions of where to find the hotest chicks and what to pay? I'm going to AC, Borocay and manilla. And also any advice of what the girl scene is like in Borocay?

Any suggestions for a first timer and good advice would be appreciated.

Thank you[/QUOTE]

Remember that it is typhoon season (called Habagat) in Boracay between July and November. It can rain for 2-3 days (straight) during that time. Please check the weather patterns before going there. I would hate to have you waste days of your precious vacation due to storms.

[QUOTE=Gogobarlover]I haven't been to Boracay myself. It's located south of Manila. You can take Cebu Pacific Air Domestic from Manila to Boracay or, if you're in Angeles City, you can take Cebu Pacific Air Domestic from Clark Airport (Diosdado Macapagal International Airport) to Boracay also.[/QUOTE]Bora. There are a few package tours, including pickup, breakfast, some diving etc.

Check on Seaair website. [url]www.flyseair.com[/url] I think.

Anyway, Bora has few 'working girls' and most of the hook-ups are plain bar hookups. Not that the place is dry as sahara, but check on [url]http://www.cocomangas.com/[/url]. That is about the only decent girl joint I saw, but then again. There are also regular girls looking for some fun. A girl hinted to me that she is all mine for a dozen shooters. While it was tempting, the haunting thought of having to carry her didn't sound enticing.

If you are heading to Bora for diving, some para sailing adventure etc. Go for it.

The best advice is. Go to Angeles, hook up a cutie who wants to take a few days off, and take her to Philippine Travel Service Counter in ABC hotel, get tickets to Manila/Boracay (or Clark Boracay. If Sea Air still flies that route.) and have fun.

[QUOTE=Philosophery]Remember that it is typhoon season (called Habagat) in Boracay between July and November. It can rain for 2-3 days (straight) during that time. Please check the weather patterns before going there. I would hate to have you waste days of your precious vacation due to storms.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your advice.

Unfortunately everything is prebooked so hopefully luck is on my side.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Econo Tech]Bora. There are a few package tours, including pickup, breakfast, some diving etc.

Check on Seaair website. [url]www.flyseair.com[/url] I think.

.[/QUOTE]

Seair is an OK airline and I used it to fly to Luzon. Aircraft was old, propellor, smell of jet fuel but was fun. No toilets not cabin service :D

However, on the return, due to high winds and torrential rain, the aircraft did not leave Manila so I ended up with a 9 hour bus ride to Manila (2 of which was basically stuck in and around Cubao). Having a cutie with you on that bus does help :) lots of secretive touching and holding :)

But Seair were excellent in customer service. I visited its office close to the Dusit the next day in and in less than 2 weeks had received a refund and an apology letter.

So if using Seair watch the weather patterns, being stuck in Boracay etc maybe fun for a while but many of us have jobs to do back home and sometimes cant explain the delay ;)

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]Seair is an OK airline and I used it to fly to Luzon. Aircraft was old, propellor, smell of jet fuel but was fun. No toilets not cabin service[/QUOTE]Actually, their aircraft are not old at al. While they are propellor driven, they are turbo props, and the larger 31 seaters are German Dornier which are well maintained, and the smaller Czech Let's too are well maintained.

As for toilet. Since their longest sector is just 1 hour max, they don't need toilets per se.

[QUOTE]But Seair were excellent in customer service. I visited its office close to the Dusit the next day in and in less than 2 weeks had received a refund and an apology letter.

So if using Seair watch the weather patterns, being stuck in Boracay etc maybe fun for a while but many of us have jobs to do back home and sometimes can't explain the delay.[/QUOTE]Seair. Is owned partly by a German, and their staff are one of the most friendly around there.

As for the 'many of us have jobs to do. ' thing. That is what never gets into most filipinos head. If they get held up, they conveniently tell us to delay the return and enjoy the vacation a bit more Doesn't work for me though.

Anyway, flying domestic sectors is fun sometimes, as I was stuck in an island, and Seaair flights were delayed due to storm warning. This island is smack with about 1 hour for diversion.

Though the flight arrived half a day late, Seaair staff in Manila Domestic insisted they drop me at my hotel.

Nice bunch to fly with.

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]Seair is an OK airline and I used it to fly to Luzon. Aircraft was old, propellor, smell of jet fuel but was fun. No toilets not cabin service :D

However, on the return, due to high winds and torrential rain, the aircraft did not leave Manila so I ended up with a 9 hour bus ride to Manila (2 of which was basically stuck in and around Cubao). Having a cutie with you on that bus does help :) lots of secretive touching and holding :)

But Seair were excellent in customer service. I visited its office close to the Dusit the next day in and in less than 2 weeks had received a refund and an apology letter.

So if using Seair watch the weather patterns, being stuck in Boracay etc maybe fun for a while but many of us have jobs to do back home and sometimes cant explain the delay ;)[/QUOTE]

My wife and I flew to Boracay on Seair and had a good flight on the then modern German turbo prop. The flight back on that "Let" or what ever it is, was almost the proverbial last flight. Turbulents, lightning, vomiting crying passengers and not a fucking word frm the 2 dip shits flying that wreck and I would be lying if I thought I would live another day.
I will not fly with them again and I recall that recently they had a mishap at manila airport. I would probably go PAL or Cebu Pac on a larger aircraft, taking the longer way to boracay.

Anyone else had problems getting a cancelation refund from these clowns? I have waited 6 months with a dozen phone calls and emails to their hotel management without any luck.
I was told by several staffers that there are numerous complaints regarding refunds. Thats nice to know!
Beware if you plan to book a room there and may have to cancel. Nice place to stay but its not professionally managed.
I will have a face to face with the owner when I pass thru next month. Possibly someone not letting the owners know whats happening.?

[QUOTE=Frank4220]Anyone else had problems getting a cancelation refund from these clowns? I have waited 6 months with a dozen phone calls and emails to their hotel management without any luck.
I was told by several staffers that there are numerous complaints regarding refunds. Thats nice to know!
Beware if you plan to book a room there and may have to cancel. Nice place to stay but its not professionally managed.
I will have a face to face with the owner when I pass thru next month. Possibly someone not letting the owners know whats happening.?[/QUOTE]

With Lewis Grand hotel, I guess when you book through these guys you also have to pay upfront? With Pacific Breeze, I booked the hotel rooms but, I had a choice on paying on arrival at the hotel or when I'm checking out. This worked out good because one of our friends decided to stay back in Cebu and did not come with us to Angeles City. I was able to cancel 1 of the 3 rooms I booked.

[QUOTE=Frank4220]Anyone else had problems getting a cancelation refund from these clowns? I have waited 6 months with a dozen phone calls and emails to their hotel management without any luck.
I was told by several staffers that there are numerous complaints regarding refunds. Thats nice to know!
Beware if you plan to book a room there and may have to cancel. Nice place to stay but its not professionally managed.
I will have a face to face with the owner when I pass thru next month. Possibly someone not letting the owners know whats happening.?[/QUOTE]

I booked through their website, and then had to cancel...didn't have any problems getting a refund, although it took a while to actually get the money, but they did tell me it would take about a month.

I do agree about their management though....The last time I stayed there, it took me over an hour to check out because they could not get my bill right, first the didn't deduct the 1 night I had payed in advance. The there were a whole bunch of mini bar charges on the bill that were not accurate, then they wanted to charge me for an airport pickup where they did not show up.

I like the hotel, but the front office/desk leave something to be desired. I hope you get a face to face with the owner, and that he fixes some of the problems with the hotel.

[QUOTE=Dveight]I booked through their website, and then had to cancel...didn't have any problems getting a refund, although it took a while to actually get the money, but they did tell me it would take about a month.

I do agree about their management though....The last time I stayed there, it took me over an hour to check out because they could not get my bill right, first the didn't deduct the 1 night I had payed in advance. The there were a whole bunch of mini bar charges on the bill that were not accurate, then they wanted to charge me for an airport pickup where they did not show up.

I like the hotel, but the front office/desk leave something to be desired. I hope you get a face to face with the owner, and that he fixes some of the problems with the hotel.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your input. I stayed there before and I really liked the hotel, but since before Christmas I noticed that things had changed. I dont know if it has anything to do with the new GM who use to be a bar manager on Fields? Not my choice for a hotel thats aiming for a more affluent traveller. I wrote him 3 times..no response , emailed the marketing dept 2x and the reservation dept 3xcalled the hotel 6 times looking to speak to someone but they would not put the call thru. Something is going on there and I think the owner should get his head out of his ass.

[QUOTE=Gogobarlover]With Lewis Grand hotel, I guess when you book through these guys you also have to pay upfront? With Pacific Breeze, I booked the hotel rooms but, I had a choice on paying on arrival at the hotel or when I'm checking out. This worked out good because one of our friends decided to stay back in Cebu and did not come with us to Angeles City. I was able to cancel 1 of the 3 rooms I booked.[/QUOTE]

I have stayed there at Pac breeze on 3 occaisions. The big glaring difference between these hotels is that Pac breeze is under proper management. The place just runs smoothly and they take customer concerns seriously. No surprise who I go out of my way not to recommend!

[QUOTE=Frank4220]Turbulents, lightning, vomiting crying passengers and not a fucking word frm the 2 dip shits flying that wreck and I would be lying if I thought I would live another day.

I will not fly with them again and I recall that recently they had a mishap at manila airport. I would probably go PAL or Cebu Pac on a larger aircraft, taking the longer way to boracay.[/QUOTE]In defence of Sea Air, when shit hits the roof, in turbulent flight conditions, pilots are taught to Aviate, Navigate, and then Communicate - so other than the required seat-belts on thing - nothing much would have been possible, if they had been flying in such terrible weather as you describe .. I think you exaggerate, give me the dates and I can confirm whether it was storm conditions or a light breeze that land lubbers couldn't take in stride.

As for the mishap - Nope - Seaair never had any fatal accident, and the Manila mishap was a aquaplaning incident, as the plane was directed to an un-grooved runway, and the plane skidded off ..

Seaair is professionally managed, and the Let's (the baby dorniers) are also FAA certified, and are widely in use in Europe, and you couldn't get a tougher plane to fly you out of Caticlan, especially in bad weather conditions ..

And if you think Cebu Pac and PAL are safer to Caticlan, you are mistaken - both fly planes which are larger than the landing distance there, and virtually both are on the edge of their limits - and the idea of flying in an ATR 72 to a 800 meter runway in not my idea of fun ..

[url]http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Country=RP[/url]

[QUOTE=Aus Dodo]Hi,

I'm planning a first time trip to phillipines for 8 days. I would like some suggestions of where to find the hotest chicks and what to pay? I'm going to AC, Borocay and manilla. And also any advice of what the girl scene is like in Borocay?

Any suggestions for a first timer and good advice would be appreciated.

Thank you[/QUOTE]



Personally, I think Boracay is over rated, chicks wise it sucks. You can get some local talent at cocomangas shooters bar, last time I was in there was about 4 yrs ago with Mrs Spamhog and everytime she went to the Cr I had some dolly rushing up wanting to take her place. they also have "native" themed huts or rooms if you stay there you could waltz one of them back for a quickie or whatever or make it your HQ.

The few times I've been to Boracay I've always brought my own, that should be your strategy, you will have to find one you can tolerate for two or three days which is about all Boracay is good for. Something else you might consider is tourist foreigners, I've seen LOTS of european girls, and scads of Koreans and Japanese, they love to dance, you might thin one out of the herd.

One strategy might be to find the most kinky perverted, Bi-filipina you can in Angeles/Manila (shouldn't be too hard) who is into 3 somes, drag her along to Boracay and see if you can bag some drunk, horny Ozzie or Kiwi Sheila.


Spam hog

[QUOTE=Frank4220]I have stayed there at Pac breeze on 3 occaisions. The big glaring difference between these hotels is that Pac breeze is under proper management. The place just runs smoothly and they take customer concerns seriously. No surprise who I go out of my way not to recommend![/QUOTE]I think the hospitality is the same. I think the rooms at Lewis Grand are much better. I think pre-booking with Pacific Breeze is good. But, when you land, call up Lewis Grand and check up on the weekly specials. You will find that Lewis Grand is a better buy when getting the specials and have bigger rooms. Also, if you stay longer than a week you get a discount. Pacific Breeze is one month for longevity discount. One more thing, Pacific Breeze has a rodent problem. But, don't get me wrong, Pac Breeze has a nice product. I like the proximity to fields (like right there!). I like the quality and spaciousness of Lewis Grand's rooms. Check out Affinity Condos. They have a nice product and a great pricing point for us. Ask about discounts. I think a lot of us forget to ask about this. The hotels are begging for our business. We have to take advantage of this!

[QUOTE=Frank4220]Anyone else had problems getting a cancelation refund from these clowns? I have waited 6 months with a dozen phone calls and emails to their hotel management without any luck.

I was told by several staffers that there are numerous complaints regarding refunds. Thats nice to know!

Beware if you plan to book a room there and may have to cancel. Nice place to stay but its not professionally managed.

I will have a face to face with the owner when I pass thru next month. Possibly someone not letting the owners know whats happening?[/QUOTE]I have the owners email address. Let me know if you want this information. So you can give him the heads up before you go.

[QUOTE=Econo Tech]Bora. There are a few package tours, including pickup, breakfast, some diving etc.

Check on Seaair website. [url]www.flyseair.com[/url] I think.

Anyway, Bora has few 'working girls' and most of the hook-ups are plain bar hookups. Not that the place is dry as sahara, but check on [url]http://www.cocomangas.com/[/url]. That is about the only decent girl joint I saw, but then again. There are also regular girls looking for some fun. A girl hinted to me that she is all mine for a dozen shooters. While it was tempting, the haunting thought of having to carry her didn't sound enticing.

If you are heading to Bora for diving, some para sailing adventure etc. Go for it.

The best advice is. Go to Angeles, hook up a cutie who wants to take a few days off, and take her to Philippine Travel Service Counter in ABC hotel, get tickets to Manila/Boracay (or Clark Boracay. If Sea Air still flies that route.) and have fun.[/QUOTE]I don't know about you all. But, I have a problem taking a "sex worker" to Bora and or any other resort place. In the United States, would you take a "SW" to South Beach? I mean really? I'm not in to providing dream vacations.

Borocay is fantastic, but I have to agree that it is overrated since there are so many other places that are nice, but less develloped and less commercialized!

Asian tourists? Oh, heaven forbid, those good Buddhist Koreans and Japanese know how to reach nirvana,.

I think I'm headed to Bohol for a diversion, but who knows- maybe rainy days in AC wouldn't be so bad. X

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]Personally, I think Boracay is over rated, chicks wise it sucks. You can get some local talent at cocomangas shooters bar, last time I was in there was about 4 yrs ago with Mrs Spamhog and everytime she went to the Cr I had some dolly rushing up wanting to take her place. they also have "native" themed huts or rooms if you stay there you could waltz one of them back for a quickie or whatever or make it your HQ.

The few times I've been to Boracay I've always brought my own, that should be your strategy, you will have to find one you can tolerate for two or three days which is about all Boracay is good for. Something else you might consider is tourist foreigners, I've seen LOTS of european girls, and scads of Koreans and Japanese, they love to dance, you might thin one out of the herd.

One strategy might be to find the most kinky perverted, Bi-filipina you can in Angeles/Manila (shouldn't be too hard) who is into 3 somes, drag her along to Boracay and see if you can bag some drunk, horny Ozzie or Kiwi Sheila.


Spam hog[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]Personally, I think Boracay is over rated, chicks wise it sucks. You can get some local talent at cocomangas shooters bar, last time I was in there was about 4 yrs ago with Mrs Spamhog and everytime she went to the Cr I had some dolly rushing up wanting to take her place. they also have "native" themed huts or rooms if you stay there you could waltz one of them back for a quickie or whatever or make it your HQ.

The few times I've been to Boracay I've always brought my own, that should be your strategy, you will have to find one you can tolerate for two or three days which is about all Boracay is good for. Something else you might consider is tourist foreigners, I've seen LOTS of european girls, and scads of Koreans and Japanese, they love to dance, you might thin one out of the herd.

One strategy might be to find the most kinky perverted, Bi-filipina you can in Angeles/Manila (shouldn't be too hard) who is into 3 somes, drag her along to Boracay and see if you can bag some drunk, horny Ozzie or Kiwi Sheila.

Spam hog[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, Im not too sure I want to bring a chick with me to boracay, as I'd like some variety and a choice of different girls. I might try the cocomangas bar as you advised, what about the girls that offer massages? you think they would offer extras if I took one back to my room for massage?

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]Personally, I think Boracay is over rated, chicks wise it sucks. [/QUOTE]


fully agreed! Boracay is first and foremost a place for beach vacations. Certainly you will find there girls too, but for our hobby MNL or AC would be undoubtedly the much better choice! IMHO of course!

Cheers!


Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Spam Hog]Personally, I think Boracay is over rated, chicks wise it sucks. You can get some local talent at cocomangas shooters bar, last time I was in there was about 4 yrs ago with Mrs Spamhog and everytime she went to the Cr I had some dolly rushing up wanting to take her place. they also have "native" themed huts or rooms if you stay there you could waltz one of them back for a quickie or whatever or make it your HQ.

The few times I've been to Boracay I've always brought my own, that should be your strategy, you will have to find one you can tolerate for two or three days which is about all Boracay is good for. Something else you might consider is tourist foreigners, I've seen LOTS of european girls, and scads of Koreans and Japanese, they love to dance, you might thin one out of the herd.

One strategy might be to find the most kinky perverted, Bi-filipina you can in Angeles/Manila (shouldn't be too hard) who is into 3 somes, drag her along to Boracay and see if you can bag some drunk, horny Ozzie or Kiwi Sheila.


Spam hog[/QUOTE]
Spam Hog I agree with you about the hype behind Boracay. That always seems to enter the convo when you talking to the filipina girls,and they are quite shocked when you say you have not been there before. Im not a total beach fanatic,I can take it or leave it. One thing I heard is its a ***** to travel there,and they brag about the WHITE SAND beaches.. Ho HUM(YAWN) That dont impress me in the least to go all the way there to see that. Expensive hotels and no local talent is a bummer for me. If im bored as hell,one day I may go there.

[QUOTE=Mayntain]I’m not a total beach fanatic; I can take it or leave it. One thing I heard is it’s a ***** to travel there, and they brag about the WHITE SAND beaches. Ho HUM (YAWN) that don’t impress me in the least to go all the way there to see that. Expensive hotels and no local talent is a bummer for me. If I’m bored as hell, one day I may go there.[/QUOTE]
Mayntain, I know what you are talking about, although I look at it in a slightly different way.

I guess I am a beach fanatic and I have travelled around the world looking for the perfect beach. What I have found is that usually a great beach destination and a great girl destination are two mutually exclusive entities. For example Pattaya is great for girls, but the beach sucks. AC is great for girls and they don’t even have a beach. Bangkok, Macau, and Sao Paulo again are great for girls and they don’t have beaches.

It’s like a law of nature. If your priority is for the girls, then the beach scene will have to take a backseat, and if beaches are your priority, then the girls have to take a backseat or a leave of absence. Yet there are a few places where you can have your cake and eat it too. I recommend Rio, Phuket, and Koh Samui. Rio is the only place I can think of that is in the top five for girls and also has a pretty damn good beach. On the other hand, Phuket and Koh Samui have real nice beaches with an acceptable night life although not even close to the action in Pattaya. Boracay has a good beach, but it cannot hold a candle to these two Thai islands in respect to the night life IMHO. Sabang might be a better Philippine alternative if you want to have both girls and surf.

If anyone else knows of any other great girl & playa destinations please let us know.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]Mayntain, I know what you are talking about, although I look at it in a slightly different way.

I guess I am a beach fanatic and I have travelled around the world looking for the perfect beach. What I have found is that usually a great beach destination and a great girl destination are two mutually exclusive entities. For example Pattaya is great for girls, but the beach sucks. AC is great for girls and they don’t even have a beach. Bangkok, Macau, and Sao Paulo again are great for girls and they don’t have beaches.
[/QUOTE]

It's not fair to really add Brazil in the mix because some Portuguese language is necessary. If no Portuguese language is known, its almost not worth going.

If the punter can only speak English
Philippines tops my list
Thailand would be second, because they can't beat Ph girls for GFE, price and general horniness. And most Thai girls only know pigeon English.

If English is not a factor then, yes, add Brazil.
I would also add ChangPing (China), Argentina and also some East European countries.

[quote=poopbunny]it's not fair to really add brazil in the mix because some portuguese language is necessary. if no portuguese language is known, its almost not worth going.

if the punter can only speak english
philippines tops my list
thailand would be second, because they can't beat ph girls for gfe, price and general horniness. and most thai girls only know pigeon english.

if english is not a factor then, yes, add brazil.
i would also add changping (china), argentina and also some east european countries.[/quote]


best beach destinations are rio (i was there this past weekend...wow!!) and phuket (bangla rd is lots of fun at night). i personally prefer phuket because i love spinners which are more difficult to find in rio.

[quote=philosophery]best beach destinations are rio (i was there this past weekend...wow!!) and phuket (bangla rd is lots of fun at night). i personally prefer phuket because i love spinners which are more difficult to find in rio. [/quote]
i totally agree. asian girls are the best in my opinion. that’s why i travel 20 hours by air to be with them when alternatively i could make a 6 hour jump down to rio and sao paulo or a 2 hour flight to costa rica. i log travel to asia at 3:1 travel to sa.
[quote=poopbunny]it's not fair to really add brazil in the mix because some portuguese language is necessary. if no portuguese language is known, it’s almost not worth going. if the punter can only speak english philippines tops my list.thailand would be second, because they can't beat ph girls for gfe, price and general horniness. and most thai girls only know pigeon english. [/quote]

life is not fair pb. rio is hot, português ou não. everybody reading this should go there at least once and decide for themselves.

as for asian girls: i love them all and have good things to say about ph girls, thai girls, khmer girls and mandarin girls. i get off on the physical and cultural differences between them. in general (and please forgive this is exaggerated analogy), filipinas appeal more to dog people and thai girls appeal more to cat people. i find filipinas are very straight forward and gfe right from the start, while thai girls may seem more independent and mysterious but they give gfe too. it is all very good.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]Filipinas appeal more to dog people and Thai girls appeal more to cat people. I find Filipinas are very straight forward and GFE right from the start, while Thai girls may seem more independent and mysterious but they give GFE too. It is all very good.[/QUOTE]Excellent observation/distinction noted. Well said.

I totally agree.

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]... I have a problem taking a "sex worker" to Bora and or any other resort place. In the United States, would you take a "SW" to South Beach? I mean really? I'm not in to providing dream vacations.[/QUOTE]

That's a very valid point, brother! I am wondering too why should one take a bargirl from AC to different places, pay for a second air ticket plus dine and wine her 5 days long, when one can easily enjoy two different cuties every single day for much less money? However, some guys have apparently good reasons for doing so and therefor I respect their decision.

Cheers!


Hesekiels

PB,

You don't need to be fluent in Portuguese to have fun in Rio? You could learn about 25-50 words and get along very well with the garotas who are probably some of the sexiest women I have ever experienced. They really enjoy sex and if you meet the right one, you can really have fun with them. Picked-up a really sweet spinner from Kilt last week and she made my toes curl! :-)

Another beach destination is Macatan beach in Cebu. I plan to visit the area in late July.

Have fun.

Hi fellow mongerers,

I'm planning a first time trip to phillipines for 8 days. I would like some suggestions of where to find the hotest chicks and what to pay? I'm going to AC, Borocay and manilla. And also any advice of what the girl scene is like in Borocay?

Any suggestions for a first timer and good advice would be appreciated.

Thank you

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]That's a very valid point, brother! I am wondering too why should one take a bargirl from AC to different places, pay for a second air ticket plus dine and wine her 5 days long, when one can easily enjoy two different cuties every single day for much less money? However, some guys have apparently good reasons for doing so and therefor I respect their decision.

Cheers!


Hesekiels[/QUOTE]Are you kidding??? Anyone with any time here in the PI knows that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush:D

I would rather go to the bar and meet a girl and after taking her out and seeing that she is fun, outgoing, great in bed and provides great GFE take her for a three day trip out of the bar (pay the bar fine and tip her for the trip). IMHO that is better then taking a non-bar girl on a trip and finding out that she has drama:(

I have read many reports of guys going alone on short trips (resorts) and after arriving they find out that the choices there are slim to none and they felt they wasted a trip.

Robb

[QUOTE=Robbaf]Are you kidding??? Anyone with any time here in the PI knows that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush:D

I would rather go to the bar and meet a girl and after taking her out and seeing that she is fun, outgoing, great in bed and provides great GFE take her for a three day trip out of the bar (pay the bar fine and tip her for the trip). IMHO that is better then taking a non-bar girl on a trip and finding out that she has drama:(

I have read many reports of guys going alone on short trips (resorts) and after arriving they find out that the choices there are slim to none and they felt they wasted a trip.

Robb[/QUOTE]Robbaf,

The guys that you are referring too have no talking skills (no game). Ha! If they come out empty handed that's their problem. You don't need game. Just show them a few hundred pesos. I have been to resort towns by myself. If nothing, I can at least bag a housekeeper.

I do understand the Non Pro drama. But, I think it would feel awkward taking a rental chick on a vacation of her dreams. Wait, no, this will be her 6th dream vacation this year? Ha. And, she has been on the computer planning her 7th and 8th dream vacation.

I think keeping it simple should be the plan. Bagging local chicks being able to put down different SWs and non pros every night. That's a true MONGER.

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]That's a very valid point, brother! I am wondering too why should one take a bargirl from AC to different places, pay for a second air ticket plus dine and wine her 5 days long, when one can easily enjoy two different cuties every single day for much less money? However, some guys have apparently good reasons for doing so and therefor I respect their decision.

Cheers!

Hesekiels[/QUOTE]Ha Ha, I respect all decisions that are made by fellow mongers. But, do I have to agree with their methods?? Really, I don't care. But, I get a kick out of reading some of their posts. HA hahaha ahhaahaha

Salute!

[QUOTE=Aus Dodo]Hi fellow mongerers,

I'm planning a first time trip to phillipines for 8 days. I would like some suggestions of where to find the hotest chicks and what to pay? I'm going to AC, Borocay and manilla. And also any advice of what the girl scene is like in Borocay?

Any suggestions for a first timer and good advice would be appreciated.

Thank you[/QUOTE]I think its very simple. Its all about chemistry. If you find a babe that you get on with, shares and laughs at your jokes, no matter how corny, looks good next to you, is sweet with you, and a delight under the sheets, take her high and low.

Spoilt, moody, ocassionally friendly girls are everywhere, but for those that really hit your sweet spot, take that one with you and forget about endless chasing.

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]I have the owners email address. Let me know if you want this information. So you can give him the heads up before you go.[/QUOTE]You could also meet the owner of Lewis Grand face to face at Pink Lady gentlemans club. He is there almost nightly giving out 10,000 pesos in tips to the girls doing solo strip teases on stage.

[QUOTE=Aus Dodo]Hi fellow mongerers,

I'm planning a first time trip to phillipines for 8 days. I would like some suggestions of where to find the hotest chicks and what to pay? I'm going to AC, Borocay and manilla. And also any advice of what the girl scene is like in Borocay?

Any suggestions for a first timer and good advice would be appreciated.

Thank you[/QUOTE]Makati has hot girls on Burgos. Girls there are about P2000 for a barfine. Tip would be about P3000-P4000. The tip should be discussed before paying the barfine. You can sometimes negotiate the tip. At AC on Field's Avenue at night, a girl can range from P1300-P3000. The more expensive girls are usually showgirls and you can find them at DollHouse, Atlantis, Chrystal Palace, Forbidden City, etc. Tip is up to you. I have heard of guys tipping anywhere from P500-P3000. As for Borocay, I am still in process of visiting that beautiful area. All I heard about that place is that it would be best if you already have a girl to take rather than finding one there. Hope this helps mate and if anyone else has suggestions regarding Borocay, I would also gladly appreciate it as well.

Thank you in advance.

[QUOTE=Red Wine]Makati has hot girls on Burgos. Girls there are about P2000 for a barfine. Tip would be about P3000-P4000. The tip should be discussed before paying the barfine. You can sometimes negotiate the tip. At AC on Field's Avenue at night, a girl can range from P1300-P3000. The more expensive girls are usually showgirls and you can find them at DollHouse, Atlantis, Chrystal Palace, Forbidden City, etc. Tip is up to you. I have heard of guys tipping anywhere from P500-P3000. As for Borocay, I am still in process of visiting that beautiful area. All I heard about that place is that it would be best if you already have a girl to take rather than finding one there. Hope this helps mate and if anyone else has suggestions regarding Borocay, I would also gladly appreciate it as well.

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info mate. Its really helpful. Perhaps if I find a nice hotty Qt in AC, I'll take her to Boracay. I was just hoping though I could pick up a girl in the boracay mongering scene. As I would like variety there. But if its non-excistant there than that won't be too good. I might try getting one of the massage girls in Boracay and see if they offer extras? But I don't know if the scene is the same as Thailand?

Anyway thanks again mate.

hi guys,

how is everyone? a bit of useless information when a filipina says to you that you need your rest they don't want to talk to you. i have been home now for 2 weeks, when you get home the filipina wife, back in her own home life stops thinking about you when she is surrounded by her friends and family. this is not sour grapes here but they can adapt really quick. when you are with them you are the most important person in the world. now iam back home i have just realise how stupid i have been. did not take anyones advice the old saying live by the sword die by the sword. i have come to a conclusion iam going to let her down easy by telling her bolla bolla and hopefully drop of her radar, i know it will take time and iam not that stupid that she will track me down. i only wish that i was built in a way that i could not feel anything for them. take it easy on me i know i have made a mistake, but every dog has is day.

[quote=jack james]hi guys,

how is everyone? a bit of useless information when a filipina says to you that you need your rest they don't want to talk to you. i have been home now for 2 weeks, when you get home the filipina wife, back in her own home life stops thinking about you when she is surrounded by her friends and family. this is not sour grapes here but they can adapt really quick. when you are with them you are the most important person in the world. now iam back home i have just realise how stupid i have been. did not take anyones advice the old saying live by the sword die by the sword. i have come to a conclusion iam going to let her down easy by telling her bolla bolla and hopefully drop of her radar, i know it will take time and iam not that stupid that she will track me down. i only wish that i was built in a way that i could not feel anything for them. take it easy on me i know i have made a mistake, but every dog has is day.[/quote]ditto my friend.

[quote=jack james]hi guys,

how is everyone? a bit of useless information when a filipina says to you that you need your rest they don't want to talk to you. i have been home now for 2 weeks, when you get home the filipina wife, back in her own home life stops thinking about you when she is surrounded by her friends and family. this is not sour grapes here but they can adapt really quick. when you are with them you are the most important person in the world. now iam back home i have just realise how stupid i have been. did not take anyones advice the old saying live by the sword die by the sword. i have come to a conclusion iam going to let her down easy by telling her bolla bolla and hopefully drop of her radar, i know it will take time and iam not that stupid that she will track me down. i only wish that i was built in a way that i could not feel anything for them. take it easy on me i know i have made a mistake, but every dog has is day.[/quote]i think that happens everywhere.

[quote=jack james]hi guys,

how is everyone? a bit of useless information when a filipina says to you that you need your rest they don't want to talk to you. i have been home now for 2 weeks, when you get home the filipina wife, back in her own home life stops thinking about you when she is surrounded by her friends and family. this is not sour grapes here but they can adapt really quick. when you are with them you are the most important person in the world. now iam back home i have just realise how stupid i have been. did not take anyones advice the old saying live by the sword die by the sword. i have come to a conclusion iam going to let her down easy by telling her bolla bolla and hopefully drop of her radar, i know it will take time and iam not that stupid that she will track me down. i only wish that i was built in a way that i could not feel anything for them. take it easy on me i know i have made a mistake, but every dog has is day.[/quote]


and this is exactly the type of experience that filipina's go through with westerners. and you were wondering about their quorks and schemes? you are just going to drop her off the radar and tell her a line of bs? that's manning up and hardening her even more at the same time. i'm glad your only here on shortime. and yes, your a dog and hopefully your last time.

remember this; different upbringings, different cultures, and different languages. make sure its something more than just a bad communication gap chatting on the phone or ym between you two 10,000 miles away from each other before dropping her off the radar. remember, she's your wife!!!!!!!!!

[quote=jack james]hi guys,

how is everyone? a bit of useless information when a filipina says to you that you need your rest they don't want to talk to you. i have been home now for 2 weeks, when you get home the filipina wife, back in her own home life stops thinking about you when she is surrounded by her friends and family. this is not sour grapes here but they can adapt really quick. when you are with them you are the most important person in the world. now iam back home i have just realise how stupid i have been. did not take anyones advice the old saying live by the sword die by the sword. i have come to a conclusion iam going to let her down easy by telling her bolla bolla and hopefully drop of her radar, i know it will take time and iam not that stupid that she will track me down. i only wish that i was built in a way that i could not feel anything for them. take it easy on me i know i have made a mistake, but every dog has is day.[/quote]you've been married less than a month! i mean. seriously?

[QUOTE=The Rooster1]And this is exactly the type of experience that filipina's go through with Westerners. And you were wondering about their quorks and schemes? You are just going to drop her off the radar and tell her a line of BS? That's manning up and hardening her even more at the same time. I'm glad your only here on shortime. And yes, your a dog and hopefully your last time.

Remember this; different upbringings, different cultures, and different languages. Make sure its something more than just a bad communication gap chatting on the phone or YM between you two 10, 000 miles away from each other before dropping her off the radar. Remember, she's your wife![/QUOTE]Hey rooster1,

I have not been there short time, I have learned a lesson I will make sure she is ok. But for every bad story there is a good story but what every person should know they are different to us. Iam not a dog because iam not a copper or a prison guard iam a average person with life skills. I will make sure she is looked after. What can anyone believe in there society I wish I could have a different girl every night but iam not built like that anymore. The final 3 words is ooh la la. That means in the philipino you are great or is that bolla bolla.

[QUOTE=Jack James]Hey rooster1,

I have not been there short time, I have learned a lesson I will make sure she is ok. But for every bad story there is a good story but what every person should know they are different to us. Iam not a dog because iam not a copper or a prison guard iam a average person with life skills. I will make sure she is looked after. What can anyone believe in there society I wish I could have a different girl every night but iam not built like that anymore. The final 3 words is ooh la la. That means in the philipino you are great or is that bolla bolla.[/QUOTE]You really are not built to want a different girl every night? How about a different girl every week? You need to understand that when you are in the Philippines, you are one of the many kings. You pick and choose which girl you want when you want. No time for drama if you ask me but, kudos to those who do marry a decent Filipino girl. Let's just hope she wasn't from the bar.

[QUOTE=The Rooster1]And this is exactly the type of experience that filipina's go through with Westerners. And you were wondering about their quorks and schemes? You are just going to drop her off the radar and tell her a line of BS? That's manning up and hardening her even more at the same time. I'm glad your only here on shortime. And yes, your a dog and hopefully your last time.

Remember this; different upbringings, different cultures, and different languages. Make sure its something more than just a bad communication gap chatting on the phone or YM between you two 10,000 miles away from each other before dropping her off the radar. Remember, she's your wife!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]
The wife was a working girl?

If so, nothing wrong with just dropping her. She'll find another john pretty fast. Move on with your life. No biggie!

[QUOTE=Jack James]Hey rooster1,

I have not been there short time, I have learned a lesson I will make sure she is ok. But for every bad story there is a good story but what every person should know they are different to us. Iam not a dog because iam not a copper or a prison guard iam a average person with life skills. I will make sure she is looked after. What can anyone believe in there society I wish I could have a different girl every night but iam not built like that anymore. The final 3 words is ooh la la. That means in the philipino you are great or is that bolla bolla.[/QUOTE]

This whole thing is just plain silly.
JJ came on here and wound us up by telling us how he had met this girl and was thinking of marrying her after just a few days together.
Every man and his dog told him not to do it, and gave every possible reason.
He ignored the advice and it didn't take long for the shit to hit the fan.
Now he is back here being all coy and remorseful seeking forgiveness but at the same time defending himself (...has life skills...) WTF.
I don't think you should be let out on your own JJ.
Either you are one of the silliest guys around OR you are having a great laugh back there wherever you are at our gullibility to accept your unlikely series of events.
Methinks the latter but hey...whatever gives you fun is OK by me.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]JJ came on here and wound us up by telling us how he had met this girl and was thinking of marrying her after just a few days together.
[/QUOTE]



that would be indeed highly interesting!

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Jj- Like The Other Members, I Find Your Message Interesting And More Questions Than Answers. So I Have A Question To You Are Any Member. Lets Thake This Situation Jj Is In Or Not In And Apply The After Effects. What Will Jj Have To Give To His Ex-wife Too Be, If He Divorce Her By Usa Laws Or Philippine Laws. Add, The Possibility Of What Would Happen If There Were A Baby Involved, Too. That Is Something The Pros Should Acknowledge The Members With. In Fact Should Have Its On Forum Itself. We Await Wise Words.

Thanks Fellow Members.

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Hi SirBoneman,

I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...

[red][u]Would you please refrain from capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports![/u][/red]

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: [i]Thank You![/i][/blue]

I just went to Field last week and went to Asia Club. Saw a 20yo cutie from Samar and chat her up then bought her drinks. I also had another girl from previous visit who knew I was not BF her seated with me. Just trying to find her out before bar fining the Samar girl. The Samar was willing to go but needed to be back by 3am latest. Never mind not to be discouraged called another girl while the 2 girls were with me. This one was from Bicol. This one was ok but wanted to be back latest by 7am due to appointment.

On my previous trip I also BF a girl from Asia Club. That 18yo girl was also interested in ST. However after some drinks and me not seem interested she finally went back with me for LT, and off we went back to hotel at 12am. However after round one she looked unwell and told me that she forgot her prescribed medicine which I believed was acting. After trying to find out what sickness could that be. Fever. OK, I gave her panadol. One hour later she woke up saying she needed to go home as her 2 small brothers of 7 and 8 were waiting for her, telling me how their parents had abandoned them. She did not mind round two but needed to go by 3am. By the way she was great in bed and looked genuinely enjoying the sex and very wet and making great noises when climaxing. Being soft heart after hearing the sob story I gave her generous tip and called taxi to bring her home.

Now back to the Bicol girl I brought back; she was great and no complain on that. She was the one who told me that many of the girls there had boy friends or husbands that was why they needed to go home by 3am which was the time the bar closed. The boy would have the false believe that the girl only sleep with him. Next time look like we have to agree on various condition such as time for going back, number of rounds, what can be done etc before bringing the girl back and also to weed out the ones with boy friends. This will probably reduce incident of disapointment.

[QUOTE=Bundanko]...agree on various condition such as time for going back, number of rounds, what can be done etc ... . This will probably reduce incident of disapointment.[/QUOTE]


very much true! Actually these should be the standard questions before one barfines any girl. IMHO of course!

Cheers!


Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Red Wine] At AC on Field's Avenue at night, a girl can range from P1300-P3000. The more expensive girls are usually showgirls and you can find them at DollHouse, Atlantis, Chrystal Palace, Forbidden City, etc. Tip is up to you. I have heard of guys tipping anywhere from P500-P3000[/QUOTE]

Yes, the tip is up to the customer. But you probably must have mis-read the tip amount, or you have extremely generous friends.

The numerous postings about tipping in Angeles is correct. It should be between 100 to 500 pesos. I asked a few girls, and they said the largest tip they have gotten was 500 pesos.

Note that this only applies to Angeles. Tipping (actually it is not a tip since the payment is required after the deed) is required in Makati, EDSA and Sabang.

As of this week, IMHO the cutest girls in Angeles (mostly 7s, maybe couple of 8s; there are no 9s and 10s in Angeles) are in Atlantis and Forbidden City. Nero went downhill from a few years ago. Crystal Palace was yucky last night. Dollhouse might make the list, but I'm currently boycotting the Dollhouse.

[QUOTE=GreenBud]Yes, the tip is up to the customer. ... It should be between 100 to 500 pesos... [/QUOTE]


IMHO a good benchmark! I usually give 200-300 pesos for an average service, but 500 pesos for an excellent one (LT of course).

However, some guys have their good reasons for giving no tip at all which is also not the end of the world. But as you said correctly, it's entirely up to us!

Cheers!


Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Bundanko] girl only want ST (.)[/QUOTE]I have been a few times to Angeles, I'm a european in my mid 30's. A big swiss from geneva, who's 6ft3+;) reasonably good looking unless girls prefers the 50 years old + men that are in found in large number in AC.

Yet I found girls are not so interested in going out of the bar. Girls wants ping pong balls, they want LD's, but being barfined is the least of their worries.

Acutally I wonder how many times per month an average AC girl get BF'ed.

It's very rare AC girls are pushing to get BF'ed. Often I get a girl buy her a LD. Often she doesn't have much to say, either because her english is limited or because she uninterested. So often after the LD time is over (maybe 15') she goes back to the podium without asking anything.

One time (on perimeter) the girl refused to go with me, she gave me BS about being her "red time".

Overall I found the ladies in AC bars very unmotivated, the only motivated ones are the ones that grab your arm to go in the bar.

I found the Burgos ladies much smarter with a more developped sense of business and with better look. Unfortunately the prices were higher.

Then again, I don't see why a good looking lady with good english would rot in AC for peanuts when she can be in Makati making much more money:)

We need to be realistic, AC is the low end of prostitution. And that comes from a guy that ends up finding AC amusing.

[QUOTE=Bundanko]I just went to Field last week and went to Asia Club. Saw a 20yo cutie from Samar and chat her up then bought her drinks. I also had another girl from previous visit who knew I was not BF her seated with me. Just trying to find her out before bar fining the Samar girl. The Samar was willing to go but needed to be back by 3am latest. Never mind not to be discouraged called another girl while the 2 girls were with me. This one was from Bicol. This one was ok but wanted to be back latest by 7am due to appointment.

On my previous trip I also BF a girl from Asia Club. That 18yo girl was also interested in ST. However after some drinks and me not seem interested she finally went back with me for LT, and off we went back to hotel at 12am. However after round one she looked unwell and told me that she forgot her prescribed medicine which I believed was acting. After trying to find out what sickness could that be. Fever. OK, I gave her panadol. One hour later she woke up saying she needed to go home as her 2 small brothers of 7 and 8 were waiting for her, telling me how their parents had abandoned them. She did not mind round two but needed to go by 3am. By the way she was great in bed and looked genuinely enjoying the sex and very wet and making great noises when climaxing. Being soft heart after hearing the sob story I gave her generous tip and called taxi to bring her home.

Now back to the Bicol girl I brought back; she was great and no complain on that. She was the one who told me that many of the girls there had boy friends or husbands that was why they needed to go home by 3am which was the time the bar closed. The boy would have the false believe that the girl only sleep with him. Next time look like we have to agree on various condition such as time for going back, number of rounds, what can be done etc before bringing the girl back and also to weed out the ones with boy friends. This will probably reduce incident of disapointment.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's totally correct!

Angeles is getting a 'short-time'-place. Much worse than Pattaya. With too many idiots, not only koreans, accepting this behaviour and even then giving huge 'bonuses' to the girls.

Soon you can completely forget what we called GFE.

And don't forget the 'cherry-girl' nonsense! But many of those girls are not 'cherry' for her philippino boyfriend! Just forget the 'V' on the bar-ID's! That's complete nonsense!

I know an australien guy, living most of the year in Angeles, who was supporting a 'so called cherry' for more than a year. Never had sex with her. Until she was pregnant already several months from her philippino.)

In Pattaya. With not all, but most of the girls. You will know in advance, if she will stay 'long time'. And they will do so!

[QUOTE=Tom Mabuhay]

Angeles is getting a 'short-time'-place. Much worse than Pattaya. With too many idiots, not only koreans, accepting this behaviour and even then giving huge 'bonuses' to the girls.[/QUOTE]
If they adjusted the pricing for ST it wouldn't be so bad.

On my last visit to AC half the girls I wanted to barfine told me before paying the bar that they would only do ST. A few years ago, I never heard this.

Just back from AC, and tips are getting out of control. I was at the corner were butter fly bar and watch a guy give a girl 2000 piso tip around midnight. The girls on santos used to be happy with any tip. This trip is was 300 to 500 for s t and when i say s. t. these girls did not want to spend an hour. Girls being selective. Yes, very selective. Also found that 90 percent of these women are heading up in age very few less than 25 and more often 30 plus. Place is changing and there will be more changes. Glad life is short.

[QUOTE=Escort Fan]... We need to be realistic, AC is the low end of prostitution... [/QUOTE]


Maybe it's the low end, maybe it's not! However, AC is still an excellent place to be, isn't it!? :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Bundanko]
On my previous trip I also BF a girl from Asia Club. That 18yo girl was also interested in ST. However after some drinks and me not seem interested she finally went back with me for LT, and off we went back to hotel at 12am. However after round one she looked unwell and told me that she forgot her prescribed medicine which I believed was acting. After trying to find out what sickness could that be. Fever. OK, I gave her panadol. One hour later she woke up saying she needed to go home as her 2 small brothers of 7 and 8 were waiting for her, telling me how their parents had abandoned them. She did not mind round two but needed to go by 3am. By the way she was great in bed and looked genuinely enjoying the sex and very wet and making great noises when climaxing. Being soft heart after hearing the sob story I gave her generous tip and called taxi to bring her home.

.[/QUOTE]


Not to belittle what was said but giving a "generous tip" to someone making all sort of excuses to get rid of you is not the way to go as it will only encourage her to pull this same BS and hoping get away with it. And if she does this and gets away with it only once in a while, then she had already won.
Any lady that puts out all the excuses instead of putting out for me (since I've paid for her company) gets absolutely NO TIPS whatsoever from me and hopefully from any of you guys. Please, let not reward bad behavior.--IMO

Shark

[quote=jack james]hi guys,

how is everyone? a bit of useless information when a filipina says to you that you need your rest they don't want to talk to you. i have been home now for 2 weeks, when you get home the filipina wife, back in her own home life stops thinking about you when she is surrounded by her friends and family. this is not sour grapes here but they can adapt really quick. when you are with them you are the most important person in the world. now iam back home i have just realise how stupid i have been. did not take anyones advice the old saying live by the sword die by the sword. i have come to a conclusion iam going to let her down easy by telling her bolla bolla and hopefully drop of her radar, i know it will take time and iam not that stupid that she will track me down. i only wish that i was built in a way that i could not feel anything for them. take it easy on me i know i have made a mistake, but every dog has is day.[/quote]


glad you realize your mistake early on as some blokes i've met don't learn the lesson until years later and that's too late.
forget about dying by the sword, instead, take the sword and find out all your possible options you may have.
if indeed you only have been together a real short time then its not too late for a legal split/ annulment= and this will wipe out most of your previous mistakes in this matter= imo

shark

[QUOTE=GreenBud]As of this week, IMHO the cutest girls in Angeles (mostly 7s, maybe couple of 8s; there are no 9s and 10s in Angeles) are in Atlantis and Forbidden City.[/QUOTE]

Forgot to mention the Golden Nile as one of the bars with cute girls. I was there Monday night. Some of the girls were decent. Might be better. There is a dance troop/models that perform from Tuesday to Sunday. There pictures on the advertisement on the wall looked decent.

Hence, IMHO, the bars with the best looking girls (mostly 7s) in Angeles are Atlantis, Forbidden City and Golden Nile. Carousel has an honorable mention.

Of course there are cuties spread out in other bars in Angeles; I think it's fun to go bar hopping to try to find them.

I was at the Golden Nile this past Monday night.

There is a group of dancers/models that perform Tuesday thru Sunday (probably a cheesy show like Jools in Makati). The mamsan said there bar fine was 4000 pesos. I think this is the highest in Angeles. The normal girls were 1500 and 2000 pesos.

I took a picture of there advertisement on the wall. Are they worth 4000 pesos? IMHO, I think one or two of them are worth 3000 pesos; the rest of them - No!

I will check them out the next time I come to Angeles.

[QUOTE=Tom Mabuhay]And don't forget the 'cherry-girl' nonsense! But many of those girls are not 'cherry' for her philippino boyfriend! Just forget the 'V' on the bar-ID's! That's complete nonsense!

I know an australien guy, living most of the year in Angeles, who was supporting a 'so called cherry' for more than a year. Never had sex with her. Until she was pregnant already several months from her philippino.)[/QUOTE]Of course there are probably exceptions, but the cherry girl "V" is absolutely valid. They are virgins.

From what I hear, from the written literature, and my experiences, they are virgins. I've checked; I saw their intact hymen.

I like to get BJs from the cherry girls. I would guess 75% of them will do it. A lot will also do lesbian shows.

The decent looking cherry girls will ask for 100,000 pesos to lose their virginity. Maybe the ugly ones will get 50,000 pesos. Many of them will refuse any amount; many of them want to wait.

Also, a bar manager cannot accept 100,000 pesos for a cherry girl without consequences if the girl is not a virgin.

[QUOTE=GreenBud]... Are they worth 4000 pesos? ...[/QUOTE]A good question! However, I would not pay that as long as there are plenty of other cuties for 1500 pesos around! For 4000 pesos I would rather barfine two girls for a great threesome instead!

Cheers!

Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Escort Fan]One time (on perimeter) the girl refused to go with me, she gave me BS about being her "red time".

Overall I found the ladies in AC bars very unmotivated, the only motivated ones are the ones that grab your arm to go in the bar.

I found the Burgos ladies much smarter with a more developped sense of business and with better look. Unfortunately the prices were higher.

Then again, I don't see why a good looking lady with good english would rot in AC for peanuts when she can be in Makati making much more money:)

We need to be realistic, AC is the low end of prostitution. And that comes from a guy that ends up finding AC amusing.[/QUOTE]Remember, there is an average of 1 in 4 chance that the girl would be "surfing the crimson wave". I once called the girls bluff and BF her anyway, she bled all over the bed. My experience is in most other places, the girl just won't work when its her time of the month, in AC, they will work because they need the money, even if they don't get BF and just LD money.

I wasn't that impressed with Makati as a value for money destination. Sure on average, the quality is better, but AC has that many girls within walking distance, there are plenty of diamonds in rough.

I found the girls in AC very motivated, I often thought of bringing along a cane to beat them off and I am no Tom Cruise.

my 2 pesos.

[quote=poopbunny]remember, there is an average of 1 in 4 chance that the girl would be "surfing the crimson wave". i once called the girls bluff and bf her anyway, she bled all over the bed. my experience is in most other places, the girl just won't work when its her time of the month, in ac, they will work because they need the money, even if they don't get bf and just ld money.

i wasn't that impressed with makati as a value for money destination. sure on average, the quality is better, but ac has that many girls within walking distance, there are plenty of diamonds in rough.

i found the girls in ac very motivated, i often thought of bringing along a cane to beat them off and i am no tom cruise.

my 2 pesos.[/quote]imho ac girls have better attitude, do not have hardened look and more gfe.

same thing happened tp me also in camelot bar. i had a real cute girl pointed to me from the line up and motioned that she would like to sit with me.

i motioner her over. right away she said she is on the rag and said it is ok if i do not buy her a ld. i bought her one anyway. later i called her bluff and barfined her. she was real horny and bled all over in spite of me using my own towels which i usually carry. had to give a very large tip to the maid. she laughed and said this is normal for them and cleaned up the mattress with some solution. so some , not all are really telling the truth. there were couple of other instances when i called their bluff they bled very little saying it is the end of their period.

these girls are not much taught about the anatomy and physiology of their body. they usually avoid sex atleast a week every month during their cycle. they feel it is bad to have sex that time.

what i really like in ac is the ease of having a good time without worrying about getting scammed like in makati bars. the girls in makati are mostly hardened pros although they are prettier. especially when you are drunk the ars and girls fleece you dry.

[QUOTE=Strikesfun]Just back from AC, and tips are getting out of control. I was at the corner were butter fly bar and watch a guy give a girl 2000 piso tip around midnight. The girls on santos used to be happy with any tip. This trip is was 300 to 500 for s t and when i say s. t. these girls did not want to spend an hour. Girls being selective. Yes, very selective. Also found that 90 percent of these women are heading up in age very few less than 25 and more often 30 plus. Place is changing and there will be more changes. Glad life is short.[/QUOTE]Yah, I noticed how few young girls there were also. Very few 18-19 yo. Everything changes and all good things come to an end!

[QUOTE=GreenBud]Of course there are probably exceptions, but the cherry girl "V" is absolutely valid. They are virgins.

From what I hear, from the written literature, and my experiences, they are virgins. I've checked; I saw their intact hymen.

I like to get BJs from the cherry girls. I would guess 75% of them will do it. A lot will also do lesbian shows.

The decent looking cherry girls will ask for 100,000 pesos to lose their virginity. Maybe the ugly ones will get 50,000 pesos. Many of them will refuse any amount; many of them want to wait.

Also, a bar manager cannot accept 100,000 pesos for a cherry girl without consequences if the girl is not a virgin.[/QUOTE]And I can assure you: too many. Not just a few 'exceptions'!. So called 'cherry girls' are not(!) cherry girls any more! Quite a few have philippino boyfriends or just don't like to go to have sex with the customers or for other reasons.!

If you believe the girls and the liars called 'mamasan', that's fine. Then you probably will believe too what the bar-ID is telling you, that all the girls are 18 +. Go ahead dreaming!

Don't you remember all the stupid 'virgin-nonsense' I'm Thailand 20 years ago?

How many times some girls went to the clinics to 'repair' the 'damaged hymen'.

Wake up and don't let your brain move between your legs.

[QUOTE=Sammon]. Especially when you are drunk the ars and girls fleece you dry.[/QUOTE]Last girl that ripped me off when I was drunk, fucked the daylights out of me first.

Told her friends wouldn't mind seeing her again.

She was that good.

Normally, I cache my wallet under the mattress. A guy's have to sleep, and a girl might be tempted to look in your pants for cash.

Duo's I avoid.2 women enbolden each other to crime.

R

[QUOTE=GreenBud]

I took a picture of there advertisement on the wall. Are they worth 4000 pesos? IMHO, I think one or two of them are worth 3000 pesos; the rest of them - No![/QUOTE]

I've BF the one lying down on the other girls for 3k only 3 weeks ago. She was good, we had a real good connection. We had the same birthday (month, day and year) strangely.

They are not worth 3k I guess but money is not really object for me so YMMV

[QUOTE=GreenBud]I was at the Golden Nile this past Monday night.

There is a group of dancers/models that perform Tuesday thru Sunday (probably a cheesy show like Jools in Makati). The mamsan said there bar fine was 4000 pesos. I think this is the highest in Angeles. The normal girls were 1500 and 2000 pesos.

I took a picture of there advertisement on the wall. Are they worth 4000 pesos? IMHO, I think one or two of them are worth 3000 pesos; the rest of them - No!

I will check them out the next time I come to Angeles.[/QUOTE]I know most of these girls. A few months ago when known as BAD INFLUENCE they did not officially barfine. Now they are known as DADDYS GIRLS and barfine.

No one is worth 4000p in AC. You can find hotter girls from 1500 to 3000.

But if she is your dream girl, then about $90 would be money well spent.

[QUOTE=Tom Mabuhay]...So called 'cherry girls' are not(!) cherry girls any more! ... [/QUOTE]


TM:

very interesting! That's indeed news to me! Anybody else who can confirm that?

Cheers!


Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Tom Mabuhay]And I can assure you: too many. Not just a few 'exceptions'!. So called 'cherry girls' are not(!) cherry girls any more! Quite a few have philippino boyfriends or just don't like to go to have sex with the customers or for other reasons.!

If you believe the girls and the liars called 'mamasan', that's fine. Then you probably will believe too what the bar-ID is telling you, that all the girls are 18 +. Go ahead dreaming!

Don't you remember all the stupid 'virgin-nonsense' I'm Thailand 20 years ago?

How many times some girls went to the clinics to 'repair' the 'damaged hymen'.

Wake up and don't let your brain move between your legs.[/QUOTE]
Don't customers who pay that outrageous fee to be with a virgin actually inspect the hymen? Will the bar allow this before purchasing? Also, what do you mean "'repair' the 'damaged hymen'"? Can a hymen be repaired?

[QUOTE=Amjeck]... what do you mean "'repair' the 'damaged hymen'"? Can a hymen be repaired?[/QUOTE]


Hehe, just study the advertisements in the Manila Bulletin and you will learn more about another Filipino cheat! :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Don't customers who pay that outrageous fee to be with a virgin actually inspect the hymen? Will the bar allow this before purchasing? Also, what do you mean "'repair' the 'damaged hymen'"? Can a hymen be repaired?[/QUOTE]
I am sure there are real virgins there in AC. Do the people who pay upwards of 100,000 Pesos take them to a trusted Doctor to make sure?
I have taken few young good looking " Cherry" girls for barhopping, disco , dinner etc. While majority kept their clothes on, there were some who got naked and hot and heavy with french kiss, daty, BBBJ, partial insertion and ended up with hand release after I made them come.
Are or were they virgins? I cannot tell without full insertion and associated bleeding and pain involved. I have been with enough true virgins to know these.
Having said these I have many instances in which I have taken young girls who bleed. Many said they have had sex only couple of times. Are they technical virgins?
Yes, there are some procedures which can be performed to make it appear like the girl has the hymen back. It is essentially putting some sutures on in some places to make the vagina tight. Nobody can replicate nature's original.
Only a gynaecologist can tell.

However I have found it lots of fun barfining "cherry" girls. They are a fun bunch to party with. Besides being a nice arm candy. I felt like a teenager on first few dates. I take it as normal dates with girls with no guarantee of sex. Besides sex is available in AC 24-7. These girls do not get barfined much but get lots of lady drinks because by the time 'Cherry" status is disclosed drink is already ordered and bought.

Has anyone come across a girl at Champagne named Joanna? I understand that she is a tiny thing that is an absolute ball of fire. A buddy hooked up with her and said she is an incredible wild thing in bed and really a lot of fun with a great personality. If anyone knows her I would love to hear more, see some photos, and learn about your experiences with her.

[QUOTE=Sammon]I am sure there are real virgins there in AC. Do the people who pay upwards of 100,000 Pesos take them to a trusted Doctor to make sure?
I have taken few young good looking " Cherry" girls for barhopping, disco , dinner etc. While majority kept their clothes on, there were some who got naked and hot and heavy with french kiss, daty, BBBJ, partial insertion and ended up with hand release after I made them come.
Are or were they virgins? I cannot tell without full insertion and associated bleeding and pain involved. I have been with enough true virgins to know these.
Having said these I have many instances in which I have taken young girls who bleed. Many said they have had sex only couple of times. Are they technical virgins?
Yes, there are some procedures which can be performed to make it appear like the girl has the hymen back. It is essentially putting some sutures on in some places to make the vagina tight. Nobody can replicate nature's original.
Only a gynaecologist can tell.

However I have found it lots of fun barfining "cherry" girls. They are a fun bunch to party with. Besides being a nice arm candy. I felt like a teenager on first few dates. I take it as normal dates with girls with no guarantee of sex. Besides sex is available in AC 24-7. These girls do not get barfined much but get lots of lady drinks because by the time 'Cherry" status is disclosed drink is already ordered and bought.[/QUOTE]

Everytime I go to AC I'm always attracted to the "cherry girl" in the bar only to discover the "v" on the on the name tag, then I'm disappointed. They always say they do nothing sexual if you bar fine them. What's the fucking point? If you're that hard up for a date with a dud, then go to the mall and pick up a girl for free and hang out with her. This will probably lead to sex for free, however.

Why would anybody pay a premium for a **** that is labeled as a "cherry", especially if she's had guys lick her pussy and cum all over her for money. She's pretty much a whroe at that point anyways.

A true "cherry girl" is a girl who has never sold any sexual service and who is a virgin, not a **** who sells handjobs and blowjobs but won't fuck.

The hole concept IMO is lame, but there seems to be demand for it.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]... The hole concept IMO is lame, but there seems to be demand for it.[/QUOTE]


I am not sure if it is really lame! In case one suffers from chronic impotence a cherry girl might be exactly the right choice! :) At least no pressure to succeed! :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Everytime I go to AC I'm always attracted to the "cherry girl" in the bar only to discover the "v" on the on the name tag, then I'm disappointed. They always say they do nothing sexual if you bar fine them. What's the fucking point? If you're that hard up for a date with a dud, then go to the mall and pick up a girl for free and hang out with her. This will probably lead to sex for free, however.

Why would anybody pay a premium for a **** that is labeled as a "cherry", especially if she's had guys lick her pussy and cum all over her for money. She's pretty much a whroe at that point anyways.

A true "cherry girl" is a girl who has never sold any sexual service and who is a virgin, not a **** who sells handjobs and blowjobs but won't fuck.

The hole concept IMO is lame, but there seems to be demand for it.[/QUOTE]
There was a "cherry " girl in one of the bars in blow row. Fairly good looking and young. She does BBBJ ut will not fuck. This was couple of years ago. Do not know if she is still there.
I am sure almost all 'cherry" girls in AC have sexual experiences, maybe other than full insertion. One of the girls I took was so turned on all night we both never slept doing all sorts of things short of full insertion. She thanked me in the morning for making her happy. She offered anal but I am not the one who likes that. The whole purpose of protecting her "virgin" status is because she hopes for the big payday. Anything around 50,000 pesos is a like a jackpot to them and their family. Many of them wanted someody to take their cherry by paying money so that they can get barfined regularly and make lots of money.
When you try to barfine them they usually say nothing sexual. But after some drinking, barhopping etc they are like any other girl who gets horny.

[QUOTE=GreenBud]Of course there are probably exceptions, but the cherry girl "V" is absolutely valid. They are virgins.

From what I hear, from the written literature, and my experiences, they are virgins. I've checked; I saw their intact hymen.[/QUOTE]
Hahahaha Please tell us numbers of your experiences, as in 100 checked??

I got back yesterday from 6 days in AC and that makes my sixth trip this year (totaling 30 days) and I can promise you that the "V" is not always correct. A lot of "V's" are strawberries and if you joke with them and play, they will tell you. I met a cherry last weekend (working as a cherry for six months) who loves to fuck only certain guys.

Robb

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Everytime I go to AC I'm always attracted to the "cherry girl" in the bar only to discover the "v" on the on the name tag, then I'm disappointed. They always say they do nothing sexual if you bar fine them. What's the fucking point? If you're that hard up for a date with a dud, then go to the mall and pick up a girl for free and hang out with her. This will probably lead to sex for free, however.[/QUOTE]Well, to be honest, there are a lot of guys, Chinese, japanese, korean and a lot of Westerners, who would happily pay money for a girl to be just to be with them, as I have seen, witnessed and wondering loudly what the heck is wrong.

There is a market for such stuff, and unfortunately, with a lot of married men on the loose, they don't' want to screw other girls, but are happy to pay for 'company'. I moaned about it and got over it.

As for the question from "Noguera". Are you looking for some info on her, or there's something we can't figure out?: confused:

What's your interested in Joanna. If I may ask? If it is for curiosity sake. It is fuck all.

If you plan to knob her. Then it is 50/50 as some bar girls will not want to screw their customer's friend.

Sorry if it is some loud thoughts.

[QUOTE=AsianLover2]I know most of these girls. A few months ago when known as BAD INFLUENCE they did not officially barfine. Now they are known as DADDYS GIRLS and barfine.

No one is worth 4000p in AC. You can find hotter girls from 1500 to 3000.

But if she is your dream girl, then about $90 would be money well spent.[/QUOTE]None of them are worth that much. But then again its supply and demand and they are worth whatever you are willing to pay? But I find great girls at 1000 pesos

I am usually disappointed if I pay more. They are spoiled and think they are princesses. But if I was in USA I would pay twice that hahahahah. So supply and what is available.

But that is why I stay in angeles. The prices but also the girls are so nice.

[QUOTE=Robbaf]Hahahaha Please tell us numbers of your experiences, as in 100 checked??[/QUOTE]I've only checked 3 or 4 of them. Once I have my favorite cherry girl, I usually barfine them (with other "open minded" girls) constantly. Until they leave and go somewhere else.

My current favorite cherry girl says that a lot of guys barfine her to go bar hopping and/or to eat her pussy.

Check 100? Hey that seems like a good fun idea! I'll start this coming August (I'll probably will be there for 4 days).

[QUOTE=Sammon]
When you try to barfine them they usually say nothing sexual. But after some drinking, barhopping etc they are like any other girl who gets horny.[/QUOTE]
So you barfine the girl in hopes to have something sexual happen? How many Cherry girls have you barfined and had nothing sexual happen?

This sounds like something for older men or masochists.

[QUOTE=MauiDude]none of them are worth that much. But then again its supply and demand and they are worth whatever you are willing to pay? But I find great girls at 1000 pesos

I am usually disappointed if I pay more..[/QUOTE]Sounds good to me.

Can you PM me or post where you are picking up your ladies as I'm thinking:
If you are barfining at 1000p, then you are most likely referring to getting your ladies at 2 locations. Either at BJ row for ST @700p or some smaller bars at Perimeter. Most if not all of Fields is over 1000p to barfine.

[QUOTE=Econo Tech]Well, to be honest, there are a lot of guys, Chinese, japanese, korean and a lot of Westerners, who would happily pay money for a girl to be just to be with them, as I have seen, witnessed and wondering loudly what the heck is wrong.

There is a market for such stuff, and unfortunately, with a lot of married men on the loose, they don't' want to screw other girls, but are happy to pay for 'company'. .[/QUOTE]Absolutely true for many from HK and Japan as there are "hostess bars" set up just for that sort of thing. You are paying only for the company of a lady to sit next to you and smile and pour you drinks--NO SEX involved. I've witness this scene for myself a few times (as I was tagging along with others) but not my thing.

BTW: it is much cheaper to bong many of the women we take for granted in much of Phil than it is to just sit with a pretty lady in HK or Japan and do nothing.

But Many times its a cultural business meeting society thing in those countries: playing host to a potential company customer.

Shark

I'm not sure if this is the proper thread for this warning, in and around SM Clark, there is an American guy scamming for P1000, to help him get funds from USA, I chatted with him on the 7/15/10, and it was obvious he is a real con artist, just a warning to any new mongers visiting AC.

Wild Rover

[QUOTE=Strikesfun]Just back from AC, and tips are getting out of control. I was at the corner were butter fly bar and watch a guy give a girl 2000 piso tip around midnight. The girls on santos used to be happy with any tip. This trip is was 300 to 500 for s t and when i say s. t. these girls did not want to spend an hour. Girls being selective. Yes, very selective. Also found that 90 percent of these women are heading up in age very few less than 25 and more often 30 plus. Place is changing and there will be more changes. Glad life is short.[/QUOTE]
What nationalities do yo see grossly over tipping? Selective how?

Thanks for the warning. A picture of this guy is posted in either June or July of Harry the Horse column. Apparently he is very aggressive.

[QUOTE=Wild Rover]I'm not sure if this is the proper thread for this warning, in and around SM

Clark, there is an American guy scamming for P1000,to help him get funds from
USA,I chatted with him on the 7/15/10, and it was obvious he is a real con artist, just a warning to any new mongers visiting AC.

Wild Rover.[/QUOTE]

I am in ac now and came across the american scammer man. three times in one day in fields he asked for 200 pesos . 45 year old fat guy and maybe has an american guy he goes along with his story. his pitch was he needed 200 peso to phone home to get funds, by the way internet phone calls to usa are 5 peso per minute.

The time has come to see what all the hype about Angeles City is. I have finally arrived from thrilling times in Manila, Cebu, Macau China, and my last days before hitting the states bring me here to Angeles.

Will leave a report after I leave here on Wednesday night and a few snapshots I managed to take.

[QUOTE=Sammon]Yes, there are some procedures which can be performed to make it appear like the girl has the hymen back. It is essentially putting some sutures on in some places to make the vagina tight. Nobody can replicate nature's original.
Only a gynaecologist can tell.[/QUOTE]I have barfined about 50 cherry girls over the last couple of years, most from AC and Subic. I have found that about 20. 30 percent are virgins. The rest run the gamut from experianced prostitutes, to the sweetest girls that have had sex one time. Try and avoid any type of definition of an Angeles cherry girl, because there are so many types. Sometimes we will have sex, sometimes I get nothing at all, but with the majority, there is some type of sexual service, anywhere from a pearl necklace to a blowjob.

I just have one absolute rule with a cherry girl. Unless the girl admits she is not a virgin, I NEVER stick my dick inside without first checking for a hymen. This avoids all sorts of problems later on. And don't believe any of the nonsense that some girls don't have one, or that they were broken on a bycycle seat, etc. Do some research online and you will find that being born without a hymen is a birth defect that effects a lot less than one percent of women (but women's groups like to claim it is more commen to propogate their agenda). And while on rare occasions a hymen can tear without sexual intercourse, a torn hymen it still a hymen, and you will feel it with your finger. It takes numerous thrusts of your cock to obliterate one.

Your post was generally correct, but your mistake was the same as mine when I was new to this. You were sticking your dick inside cherry girls without first sticking your finger inside to find the hymen. I would change the last line of your post from "only a gynacologist can tell" to "only a gynacologist or an experianced AC cherry picker can tell".

A perfect example would be a cherry girl I had a couple of weeks ago in Baretto. I had agreed to pay her 20,000 pesos for her cherry if she was a real virgin (and she would then become my girlfriend until I was bored with her). We get to bed and I tell her that I want to stick my finger inside to verify that she was virgin. Upon not finding a hymen, I tell her no deal. At which point she doesn't admit or deny anything, but just says "well how much will you give me". I say two thousand, and she agrees.

[QUOTE=GreenBud]Forgot to mention the Golden Nile as one of the bars with cute girls. I was there Monday night. Some of the girls were decent. Might be better. There is a dance troop/models that perform from Tuesday to Sunday. There pictures on the advertisement on the wall looked decent.

Hence, IMHO, the bars with the best looking girls (mostly 7s) in Angeles are Atlantis, Forbidden City and Golden Nile. Carousel has an honorable mention.

Of course there are cuties spread out in other bars in Angeles; I think it's fun to go bar hopping to try to find them.[/QUOTE]For whatever reason, I have been having real good luck at Golden Nile recently. I think of 3 of my last 5 or 6 barfines have been from this bar. And considering that I hit a lot of bars in a night, a hit rate of 50% from one bar is quite surprising. And yes, Forbidden City and Carousel are also two of the best. But I have never, not even once, found a girl from Atlantis. I'm not even sure why, but it just has never happened.

The biggest change in AC recently is the expansion of the multi-teared barfine schedule. Golden Nile has three tears I think, 2 thousand, 3 thousand, and 4 thousand (or they might have just raised the 3 thousand tier to 4 thousand, I am not sure). The problem is that becuase this has become so widespread, all of the cutest girls have now gravitated to the higher tiers. So much so, that all of my favorite bars that still only charge 1, 500 now have only hags left. Too see this firsthand, just go into Love and Music. Lots of hotties, but nothing less than 3,000. Unfortunately, if you have a thing for cute girls, finding one for 1, 500 pesos is almost impossible.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]What nationalities do yo see grossly over tipping? Selective how?[/QUOTE]I have seen guys and heard of guys giving big tips and even give a girl 1000 pesos bill while she is dancing.

When I first came here I gave tips of 500 or more? Depending on the girl.

Now I give just trike money. Or max of 300 pesos

If they want more too bad.

But if I see a girl over a period of time I do help her out in other ways. Like dentist doctor and extra money depending on how honest I think she is.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]What nationalities do yo see grossly over tipping? Selective how?[/QUOTE]


I presume the Koreans and especially newbies from any country.

Cheers!

Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]I presume the Koreans and especially newbies from any country.

Cheers!

Hesekiels[/QUOTE]

Americans too!! Remember 1000P is roughly $22. A table dance in a strip joint in Manhattan is $25.

I just heard that a typhon just went throught manila, northern phils,. Can anybody give a brief about what angles was like during and now after it is over. Around here they didn't even mention it.

[QUOTE=Philosophery]Americans too!! [/QUOTE]


but I hope American newbies only! :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

I spoe to a few girls back in AC and the power was down but evrything seems to be up and going again one day after.

[QUOTE=Mackin]I just heard that a typhon just went throught manila, northern phils. Can anybody give a brief about what angles was like during and now after it is over. Around here they didn't even mention it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]but I hope American newbies only! :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels[/QUOTE]


Or maybe Korean newbies too. :)

[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s] So much so, that all of my favorite bars that still only charge 1, 500 now have only hags left. Too see this firsthand, just go into Love and Music. Lots of hotties, but nothing less than 3,000. Unfortunately, if you have a thing for cute girls, finding one for 1, 500 pesos is almost impossible.[/QUOTE]

Not impossible but not as many as in the past, also must be aware that many of the cute ones still in the 1200-1500p range are scammers. I came across a few during my last trip. You ask the proper questions and get the proper answers they want you to hear before BF them and They promise you LT. Then after taking them back to hotel for 1st bonk comes the excuses: doctors/clinic appointments, boyfriends, families don't know what they are bargirls and must be home by certain time, babies need their mommy etc etc etc.--in other words, they are Runners/or scammers.

Shark

[QUOTE=Mackin]I just heard that a typhon just went throught manila, northern phils. Can anybody give a brief about what angles was like during and now after it is over. Around here they didn't even mention it.[/QUOTE]I will also ask him but he did not mention any issues when I texted him yesterday.

[QUOTE=Frank4220]Anyone else had problems getting a cancelation refund from these clowns? I have waited 6 months with a dozen phone calls and emails to their hotel management without any luck.
I was told by several staffers that there are numerous complaints regarding refunds. Thats nice to know!
Beware if you plan to book a room there and may have to cancel. Nice place to stay but its not professionally managed.
I will have a face to face with the owner when I pass thru next month. Possibly someone not letting the owners know whats happening.?[/QUOTE]

I was pleasantly surprised to get a nice email from the owner of the Lewis Grand and a follow up from the General Manager regarding my refund saga. They were sincere and I was impressed with both them. As I suspected they were not aware of this issue even though I had written numerous department heads and barraged the front desk with phone calls.
Another board member here may have put a word to the owner on my behalf, which I am thankful for.
Took some doing but all I wanted was some customer service.

There was one a few days ago that hit Manila, Cavite province to the southwest of Manila, and the Bicol region pretty hard. At least 50 dead and maybe another 25-50 missing. There was a tropical depression that just went through part of Northern Luzon today. It looks like it was a remnant/spinoff of the previous typhoon, and formed right over land instead of water. Haven't heard anything regarding casualties.

[QUOTE=Rubio Tonto]There was one a few days ago that hit Manila, Cavite province to the southwest of Manila, and the Bicol region pretty hard. At least 50 dead and maybe another 25-50 missing. There was a tropical depression that just went through part of Northern Luzon today. It looks like it was a remnant/spinoff of the previous typhoon, and formed right over land instead of water. Haven't heard anything regarding casualties.[/QUOTE]

We had a fair bit of rain over a 90- minute period on Sunday evening in Manila. Totally unconnected to the previous typhoon last week - that went off to China and did some damage there.
It was a new minor tropical depression that formed off the coast and dropped a bit of water but today (Monday) is very bright and sunny.

If you are planning a trip in the next 6 - 8 weeks just remember that this is typhoon season and PAGASA is predicting around 12 - 15 more typhoons this season . Now PAGASA don't always get it right so there could even be 25 more typhoons yet - who knows? Going on my past 13 years living here there is sure to be around 12 - 15 anyway so factor that into your planning. They usually involve very gloomy overcast days; a shitload of flooding rain in a short period, and only occasionally in Manila / AC do we also get the raging winds that characterize cyclones elsewhere

They had four different typhoons in four weeks. Or actually, one of them curled completely around and hit Luzon again after leaving the previous week. The only two places I plan to be in this coming September are Angeles and Makati, just like last time.

The typhoons are named alphabetically so you can easily count them as they pass through.

The current one is called "Caloy" (last week it was "Basyang").
The next one will be code-named D-something.
The bad one last year was called "Ondoy" so if you have been paying attention then you would know it was the 15th typhoon of the season.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]The typhoons are named ...[/QUOTE]


Isn't 'typhoon' just a bar at Fields? :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Promised a field report so here we go.

Spent long time planning big trip thinking is last time can do this. Plan plan plan checking forum every time,

more plan plan plan, checking forum. Sure nothing can going wrong.

The results.

Shanghai - Expo crackdown FAIL.

Chengdu - LE crackdown FAIL.

Kunming - building shut for repairing FAIL.

Hong Kong - find Fililina with beauty face SUCCESS but go back hotel and period start. Spend 2 minutes boom boom

and 2 hours cleaning blood from bed. FAIL.

AC day 1 - going wrong bar next door in accident. Forget to read sign - me stupid. Dancer lady choose Indo Phile!

SUCCESS! Go back hotel and period start. 2 minutes boom boom in bed and 2 hours cleaning blood from bed. FAIL.

Hotel charge for stains. FAIL. Try boom boom in shower but in 2 minutes looking like famous scene from Psycho.

Better stop. FAIL.

AC day 2 - this time reading sign correct. Most beautiful lady choose Indo Phile! Lady very enthusiastic inside

bar. I think phrase is all over like rash. Leave bar for eating and lady already boned fish. Go back hotel now is

dead boned fish from freezer. FAIL.

AC day 3 - see dancing event in new bar. Fall in love with best dancing lady. Try to buying her drink when she

leaving stage but another customer quicker and take her home. FAIL. Go home heartbroken. Waitress say come back

tomorrow early.

AC day 4 - Arrive early. Dancing lady there. Joy oh joy! Happies man alive. But lady ill and not wanting bar fine

only drink. FAIL. Going home more heartbroken but decide maybe try another bar. Find new waitress with most

beautiful face. Looking very like Lili Thai twin. SUCCESS? No, having period sorry. FAIL.

AC day 5 - Three time lucky. Arrive early. Dancing lady sent to another bar. Find other bar. Is only 7:15 but

lady bar fine already. FAIL. Going home totally heartbroken. On way hotel trying another bar. Only 2 customers

and many lady so cannot go wrong. Buy 20 lady drinks and barfine 3 lady. Go to hotel. Shower together. Good

start. Lady hungry. Place massive order room service. Enough food for whole bar arrive. Check bill same size room

rate. Ladies eat and say sleep now. No no bit of action first. Ask for HJ to start. One lady do little bit. Ok BJ

please. No lady wanting. Please pleaes please. One lady try and really not wanting. Lady attitude cause total

power failure from Indo Phile significant other. First time ever happen. Very embarrased. Going bathroom to try

Star Wars (Hand Solo). Ok not perfect but strong enough. Going back room and ladies in bed sleeping. Pretending

sleeping more like. No room for Indo Phile in bed so sleeping on sofa. FAIL. Ladies wake up and say going now bye

bye. Try to get action but ladies leave. FAIL x3.

AC day 6 - Last chance. Favourite dancing lady now having period. HEART FAILURE. Try new bar. Cute spinner choose

Indo Phile. Success? Bar fine ok? Check. No period? Check. Go bar hopping. She keep choosing bars with only few

ladies dancing. Boring boring boring. Can go hotel now? Ok but only massage. Thinking maybe is special massage.

No is only normal massage but very very good. Then lady leave. FAIL.

Ok try new country. LOS shooting fish in barrel.

Soi Cowboy day 1 - plane late so cannot go. FAIL.

SC day 2 - trying Long Gun. Good dancing lady ask for drink. Indo Phile like so yes. Maybe success? Sorry having

boyfriend so cannot going with customer. FAIL. But she say can choosing other lady. OK. Everytime Indo Phile

looking and liking first lady hugging and kissing so new lady stay away. FAIL.

SC day 3 - trying Suzie Wong. Little choice but only really want to see show. Trying watching lesbian show then

lady having annoying voice arriving. Keeping hard hitting Indo Phile arm for buying her lady drink. Trying polite

to talk to her and watch but inpossible and miss most of show. Really want to buy drinks for 2 show ladies at

this end of stage but missing chance because annoying voice lady. FAIL.

Wait for second showing. This time another lady stand in way asking for drinks. Will not move and no other seats

for customer so cannot seeing show. How many nos do you need to understand miss? FAIL

SC day 4 - checking forum and internet. Recommend Shark. First trying Suzie again for seeing show. First showing

customer sitting in front. Cannot seeing. FAIL. Second show waitress standing in way. Cannot seeing. FAIL. Ok

trying Shark. Soon see 2 very very sexy ladies. Success? Thining maybe they already having customer. No they sit

with me. YEs! They asking Indo Phile for bar fine both. Good good. Going hotel ok? First going disco. Ok can. But

ladies drinking lady drinks like going out of fashion. Choosing most tequila drinks and down in one is

understandingable. But even full glass coke/whisky down in one. Not good sign.

On way to disco ladies say want visiting another bar. They saying they not knowing any other bar but Shark. Ok

can. Go inside and buying a drink each. Then lady 1 asking this lady my friend you buy her drink. Then she

finding another friend. Then lady 2 finding friends for drinks. Funny so many friends when never been inside bar

before. Buy a few drinks for friends but refusing buying more. Lady 2 sulking.

Go disco don't know name or location. Some Suckhumvit soi not sure. Paying for 3 people. Have 10 minutes drinking

and dancing. So far good. Then Lady 2 say I not liking her now and I liking her friend more. No No not true. Try

hard to please lady 2. Now lady 1 saying not liking her now and I liking her friend more. Familiar story. Not

true liking both. Lady 1 and 2 keep talking to other ex-customers. Very annoying but cannot say no because Indo

Phile not wanting being rude. Paying for them yes but now owning them.

After many more drinks and dancing Lady 1 disappear for 20 minutes talking on phone. Lady 2 say she going toilet.

Indo Phile alone so go toilet. Something to do. Come back quickly and Lady 2 searching Indo Phile. Where you go?

Only toilet. Ok, she going toilet now. But you just going toilet? No no talking to friend. Friend looking like

ex-customer. Hmm. Lady 2 ask where lady 1. Indo Phile don't know so suggest Lady 2 looking for her in toilet. Now

Lady 2 angry. ??? She yelling at Indo Phile ear but music too loud cannot hear. So going outside. Lady 2 yelling

you like Lady 1 more because you looking for her. Tell her she asking where Lady 1 is not me. Then Lady 1 arrive

and ladies starting arguing. Lady 2 very very dramatic. Overacting definite. Noticing one moment when Ladies 1

and 2 looking each other. Then stupid Indo Phile awake. Is trick. So asking ladies you playing games? You playing

trick? Not saying no. Can staying and argue but what the point? Walk away. FAIL x2.

Go back Shark to complain but is closed. More FAIL.

SC day 5 - go Shark early. Complain mamasan. Sorry lady say is customer fault. Not paying them money. 5000 on

drinks not counting. Sorry but cannot helping customer because happened yesterday. Shark right name for bar.

Ok nothing else can going wrong. Go Suzie Wong to see show. Customer all sitting on sides not by stage so can

have good view. One customer size of small mountain coming in just as show starts. Sits right in front at stage.

FAIL.

Spend time talking waitress. Very sweet but waitress only. FAIL.
Meantime lady sitting behind sometimes reaching over and hitting me in the head. Is this supposed to be fun?

Leave me alone.

Dancing girl choose Indo Phile. Success at last? Buy her lady drink. Cannot speak English. Ok no problem Indo

Phile English crap too. She sits legs cross, arms cross, face cross. Takes 1 sip, talks 1 sentence Thai to

waitress, gets up and leaves. Waitress say she is tired and is going home. See her 5 minutes later leaving with

man. Maybe not customer don't care. Why did I pay the bill? FAIL.

Remember from forum that Sheba have show. Ok last chance. No show. One dancing lady choosing Indo Phile but she

very very very drunk. Goodbye please. Please stop hitting me. Indo Phiel bruise easy. No really please stop

punching me. Please stop sitting with me. Goodbye please. Help! Ok plan B. Buy 2 waitresses drinks and sit

between them so maurauding drunk people cannot attack. Talking ok but no choice lady. Is late already. Finally

see one who fitting the bill - two arms, two legs, two of most things, one everything else. No having unexpected

man parts. Check. Sorry already have customer. FAIL.

Ok bit desperate now. See another lady dancing by door. Cute tall slim. ok go go go quick bar closing soon.

Approach and start dancing with her. 2 seconds later drunken mad dancer attacks from behind yelling she love me.

Take difficult 20 seconds self defense removing her without breaking anything. Try talking to cute tall slim and

lights come on immediately. Cute tall slim say bar closed now bye bye and pointing to door. FAIL.

Now desperate. Music from Tilac. Ok still open. Go inside lots of ladies still there. Little bit like

supermarket. Spend 10 seconds looking lights on staff off. Bar closed bye bye. FAIL.


If you not doing better than Indo Phile then you very really rubbish.

Please not telling me how rubbish I am. Upset enough already. How hard can this be? Spent many thousands of baht

and pesos and got nothing but trouble, disapointment, and a bit of blood all for 2 minutes boom boom with lady

who bleeds like sacrifice goat.

Time Indo Phile retire?

[QUOTE=Indo Phile]If you not doing better than Indo Phile then you very really rubbish. Please not telling me how rubbish I am. Upset enough already. How hard can this be? Spent many thousands of baht[/QUOTE]
Wow thats a sad story. Looks like you need a 'wingman' a good friend to help you out.

And what about girls in Indonesia?

[QUOTE=Jambo]Wow thats a sad story. Looks like you need a 'wingman' a good friend to help you out.

And what about girls in Indonesia?[/QUOTE]



Once meeting two people working in Indonesia. Telling me is dangerous place. So never been in Indonesia.

Think wingman too embarrassed. Thinking wingman telling lady this loser not with me...

[QUOTE=Indo Phile]Telling me is dangerous place. So never been in Indonesia.[/QUOTE]
[b]BS!![/b]
They told you so, because they want to keep those sweet brownies for themselves.
Try it out, Indonesia is IMO wonderful, and be honest,
it can't be worse than your recent experiences?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Ekspat][b]BS!![/b]
They told you so, because they want to keep those sweet brownies for themselves.
Try it out, Indonesia is IMO wonderful, and be honest,
it can't be worse than your recent experiences?

Cheers![/QUOTE]

Ah, is not only ladies tricking Indo Phile then.

Thank you very much. You are gentleman.

Will trying Indonesia one day. Need to save money up first. Bank empty after this trip. Take long time saving before can try again. Hope Indonesia still good place next year.

Forgotting also visiting bar in Perimeter AC day 6 afternoon after 3xFAIL with Insomnia ladies and power fail with significant other.

Good start - go in wrong bar. Sign outside in wrong place. Waitress say many customers same same mistake. Why not moving sign? How hard can it be? fail but only little letters. Polite customer so finishing drink and going correct Candybar.

Two ladies liking me. Few lady drinks to see if liking them. Yes good fun. Barfine and back to hotel. Start action and lady 2 getting giggles. Now lady 1 giggling. Indo Phile catch giggles. Everyone giggling. Now giggling becoming total laughter. Fun but destroying atmosphere. Now suffer second power failure in 24 hours.

Rush in bathroom and more Star Wars action. Ok fixed. Boom boom lady 1 a bit then change lady 2. Blood everywhere. Is every lady in AC having period in same week? Now having total power FAILure. Cannot fixing and cannot finish. 1xfail + 1xFail + 1xFAIL + 1x power FAIL.

To improve English been watching BBC World TV. Liking Top Gear very much. They saying alot how hard can it be? For Indo Phile finding boom boom lady in brothel really very hard. Think Clarkson saying Indo Phile biggest loser...



...IN THE WORLD.

[QUOTE=Indo Phile]

If you not doing better than Indo Phile then you very really rubbish.

Please not telling me how rubbish I am. Upset enough already. How hard can this be? Spent many thousands of baht

and pesos and got nothing but trouble, disapointment, and a bit of blood all for 2 minutes boom boom with lady who bleeds like sacrifice goat.[/QUOTE]

I can't believe this litany of woes I P.
I just cannot believe that you struck out so often and so badly. Unless of course you are the Hunchback of Notre Dame or the Elephant Man and you are not telling us. I can discount this theory because it seems you managed to get a few girls back to the room but then the blood set in.
The part in your report where you let 3 girls sleep in the bed and you slept on the couch tells me you do not have the orientation to be a monger. Most normal guys would have definitely been in amongst it and one of the girls should have been on the couch.
Shaking my head wondering how a grown man could let this happen.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]The part in your report where you let 3 girls sleep in the bed and you slept on the couch tells me you do not have the orientation to be a monger. Most normal guys would have definitely been in amongst it and one of the girls should have been on the couch.
Shaking my head wondering how a grown man could let this happen.[/QUOTE]


Not very handsome sure. Nose bit big but not elephant. Back straight.

Yes you very right. Not orientation to be a monger. Have had success at China massage but no success bar girls.

Just get SMS. From spinner who only do massage. As she writing it -
Emergency plz send 3000 pesos luv u miss u take care u always

Send SMS back
Emergency here plz send 3000 baht luv me too

No reply yet ;)

Hello all,

I would like some advise on the mongering scene in Angeles City and Boracay in particular, its A first time trip there, where's the best place to pick up chicks in AC, and are there any parlours in AC were you can go directly and pick a chick also, without the hastle of buying drinks and BF etc. And also In Manilla, ideal bars there or the best pick up joint in the mongering scene. & could you advise me where's an ideal spot to get chicks, and also some massage palour or Casa, were you can pick up a cute babe, nice and quick without the hastle. Thanks alot guys, any advise would be great.

[QUOTE=Indo Phile]Just get SMS. From spinner who only do massage. As she writing it -
Emergency plz send 3000 pesos luv u miss u take care u always

Send SMS back
Emergency here plz send 3000 baht luv me too

No reply yet ;)[/QUOTE]
Let us know if you send her the cash. If you do, I got some great beach front property in PI that I'd like to sell to you. LOL

[QUOTE=Ekspat][b]BS!![/b]
They told you so, because they want to keep those sweet brownies for themselves.
Try it out, Indonesia is IMO wonderful, and be honest,
it can't be worse than your recent experiences?

Cheers![/QUOTE]Just had three days in KL with my 21 year old student lady from Jakarta. Absolute total heaven. Indonesia now almost but not quite outranks Philippines as a place where life is truly good!

[QUOTE=Indo Phile]Forgotting also visiting bar in Perimeter AC day 6 afternoon after 3xFAIL with Insomnia ladies and power fail with significant other.

Good start - go in wrong bar. Sign outside in wrong place. Waitress say many customers same same mistake. Why not moving sign? How hard can it be? fail but only little letters. Polite customer so finishing drink and going correct Candybar.

Two ladies liking me. Few lady drinks to see if liking them. Yes good fun. Barfine and back to hotel. Start action and lady 2 getting giggles. Now lady 1 giggling. Indo Phile catch giggles. Everyone giggling. Now giggling becoming total laughter. Fun but destroying atmosphere. Now suffer second power failure in 24 hours.

Rush in bathroom and more Star Wars action. Ok fixed. Boom boom lady 1 a bit then change lady 2. Blood everywhere. Is every lady in AC having period in same week? Now having total power FAILure. Cannot fixing and cannot finish. 1xfail + 1xFail + 1xFAIL + 1x power FAIL.

To improve English been watching BBC World TV. Liking Top Gear very much. They saying alot how hard can it be? For Indo Phile finding boom boom lady in brothel really very hard. Think Clarkson saying Indo Phile biggest loser...

...IN THE WORLD.[/QUOTE]Sorry mate. I've never heard such a tale of woe in all my life. You poor bastard.

Seriously, I feel for you.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Let us know if you send her the cash. If you do, I got some great beach front property in PI that I'd like to sell to you. LOL[/QUOTE]

Ok deal :D

[QUOTE=Indo Phile]Just get SMS. From spinner who only do massage. As she writing it -
Emergency plz send 3000 pesos luv u miss u take care u always

Send SMS back
Emergency here plz send 3000 baht luv me too

No reply yet ;)[/QUOTE]As Nancy Reagan used to say, "Just say no!"

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]... Unless of course you are the Hunchback of Notre Dame or the Elephant Man ... [/QUOTE]

and even these two guys you are talking about do barfine and f*ck the prettiest girls in town! I have witnessed it a couple of times! :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Anneelke]I will also ask him but he did not mention any issues when I texted him yesterday.[/QUOTE]I was in AC last week. We had lots of wind and heavy periods of rain for 24 hours. But nothing to impede mongering. A couple of brown outs which can happen anytime.

9 days 14 girls.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]I can't believe this litany of woes I P.

Shaking my head wondering how a grown man could let this happen.[/QUOTE]And I can't believe that.
[list][*] Someone who pretends to have a poor grasp of English grammar almost excels at spelling at the same time. I P even consistently capitalizes and makes proper use of punctuation. I have never seen that before from a person who is seemingly unable to speak in the first person.[*] Someone who has the ability to speak in first person in his very first post three years ago magically loses that talent soon thereafter giving way to a quite amusing Indian caricature.[*] Someone with such basic language skills still manages to place the occasional witty idiom.[/list]
It's not that I don't enjoy reading this stand-up comedian stuff as it surely requires a lot of effort to consistently keep up that style but the unsuspecting reader should probably beware not to be taken for a comical ride in form that may very well extend to the content as well.

Yea ok it was kind os a funny read thats about it. If there was a Fictional/ Humorous Section it should have gone there instead of hogging up the AC section.

[QUOTE=Indo Phile]Promised a field report so here we go.

Spent long time planning big trip thinking is last time can do this. Plan plan plan checking forum every time,

more plan plan plan, checking forum. Sure nothing can going wrong.

The results.

Shanghai - Expo crackdown FAIL.

Chengdu - LE crackdown FAIL.

Kunming - building shut for repairing FAIL.

And more and more bla bla bla

Time Indo Phile retire?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Indo Phile]Promised a field report so here we go.

-----snipped-----

Time Indo Phile retire?[/QUOTE]Dude, seriously?

I lol'd

Sorry man...maybe take up cards?

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]Indonesia now almost but not quite outranks Philippines as a place where life is truly good![/QUOTE]Fully agree. My just 3 years old passport is almost full again.

Nice small chops from the PI and these terrible space consuming visas from Indon!

Having a pretty 23y/o NL-student since 2 month,

Almost GF relation, life's nice!

Cheers!

No one has picked up on the recent string of Ex-pat murders in AC?

[url]http://www.angelescity.com/index.php?newsID=170[/url]

Seems to be of larger interest to residents of course.

Hello all,

I would like some advise on the mongering scene in Angeles City and Boracay in particular, its A first time trip there, where's the best place to pick up chicks in AC, and are there any parlours in AC were you can go directly and pick a chick also, without the hastle of buying drinks and BF etc. And also In Manilla, ideal bars there or the best pick up joint in the mongering scene. & could you advise me where's an ideal spot to get chicks, and also some massage palour or Casa, were you can pick up a cute babe, nice and quick without the hastle.

Thanks alot guys, any advice would be great.

[QUOTE=Jambo]Seems to be of larger interest to residents of course.[/QUOTE]
Hmmmm, I was thinking of renting an apartment in AC next year.
Maybe I should re-consider?

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Ekspat]Hmmmm, I was thinking of renting an apartment in AC next year.
Maybe I should re-consider?

Cheers![/QUOTE]I have been here about three years. And very little observed problems in a relative sense compared to living in the USA

Can not let your guard down but same for USA.

I have had some problems but usually if I let my guard down.

I have heard that most of the recent problems is due to being involved in things like involving people and their money?

Not sure what is true. But you can be as safe here as in any country.

But you got to be careful of what you do and who you do it with.

I have good security where I am at. The wild orchid condos.

They pay attention.

[QUOTE=Indo Phile]Not very handsome sure. Nose bit big but not elephant. Back straight.

Yes you very right. Not orientation to be a monger. Have had success at China massage but no success bar girls.[/QUOTE]Your killing me!

If I fall on the floor one more time I'm going to break something I know it!

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]I can't believe this litany of woes . Unless of course you are the Hunchback of Notre Dame or the Elephant Man .[/QUOTE]


Ha ha, you guys talking about me and my wingman Shark again when we were in PI.

[QUOTE=Ekspat]Hmmmm, I was thinking of renting an apartment in AC next year.
Maybe I should re-consider?

Cheers![/QUOTE]


Don't think its a problem as these are always isolated incidents and always related to someone flapping their mouths off having some $ or valuables at home or someone doing someones gal when they should know better and many other reasons somewhere inbetween.
Renting a place is fine as long as it's in a nice neighborhood where you can walk around and not in the dumps or down a dark alley.

PT

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]Just had three days in KL with my 21 year old student lady from Jakarta. Absolute total heaven. Indonesia now almost but not quite outranks Philippines as a place where life is truly good![/QUOTE]

Maybe? I've recently went to both places right after the other and for me it was no comparison. Even as standards of living is comparable in both places, the Gals in Indo cost much more $. Hotels were slightly more in Indo. Food was about the same. But the biggest factor to me was the language. No problems in PI but hassles in Indo once you leave the main tour areas.--IMO


PT

[QUOTE=Aus Dodo]Hello all,

I would like some advise on the mongering scene in Angeles City and Boracay in particular, its A first time trip there, where's the best place to pick up chicks in AC, and are there any parlours in AC were you can go directly and pick a chick also, without the hastle of buying drinks and BF etc.

Thanks alot guys, any advice would be great.[/QUOTE]Picking an AC chick is real easy,

1) Just walk into any bar,

2) Sit down order something to drink,

3) Point to any lady in the room

4) Ask her to come over

5) Buy her a drink to get to know her a little better

6) Barfine her if you like her

7) Do the deed, if ST some places have rooms on site, if LT take her back to your hotel room

8) Give her small tip or trike money back to bar

Now somethings are still possible:

A)not mandatory for #2 and #5 above as you could just go into bar and BF any lady without the sitting and drinking-up to you but can't get to know the lady before paying for her

B)mandatory BF for taking lady out of bar during working hours, only way to avoid BF is to "talk" her into seeing you when bar closes and she agree to see you, even then they usually want some payment, so not really free.

C)only thing "free"=but maybe not hassle free is to do the online site dating scene for hook up upon arrival. Not hassle free or totally free as you should spend time and money on them for dinner etc.

Also, this will apply to meeting the lady at malls etc.

-

Boracay: forget it. The best thing you can do is find one in PI and bring her with you. It's a place for sun and surf but not for lady pickup. For free pickup, could score with other foreign tourist as some lady could be looking for action, but don't count on it.

Good luck and hope this helps.

FZ

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Renting a place is fine as long as it's in a nice neighborhood where you can walk around and not in the dumps or down a dark alley.[/QUOTE]
Yes but it was a gated community with guards. Seems some gated communities are better than others! More info on these places on the PI at Night forum.

[QUOTE=Indo Phile]Promised a field report so here we go.

Time Indo Phile retire?[/QUOTE]

Damn! I will never again complain about one of my mongering trips again. Holy Crap! I did not know things could go this badly. IP- you need a seasoned wingman and some small side mongering trips to MP's where it is fish in a barrel.

Wow.

[quote=aus dodo]hello all,

i would like some advise on the mongering scene in angeles city and boracay in particular, its a first time trip there, where's the best place to pick up chicks in ac, and are there any parlours in ac were you can go directly and pick a chick also, without the hastle of buying drinks and bf etc. and also in manilla, ideal bars there or the best pick up joint in the mongering scene. & could you advise me where's an ideal spot to get chicks, and also some massage palour or casa, were you can pick up a cute babe, nice and quick without the hastle.

thanks alot guys, any advice would be great.[/quote]
1. try to read all the reports here even if it does not maky any sense to you.
it will make sense to you after finishing the trip.
2. go to balibago.com or ac sites to get a map of all bars.
most of the bars are concentrated within a mile on fields avemue and
there are some bars in outlying areas. as a first timer i would not advice
you going outside the fields area. fields area is reasonably safe.
3. go to as many bars as possible to get the feel of it . have a drink and
go to the next one.
4. all bars are filled ( i mean really filled) with girls of varying size and shapes
and age. all the girls including the old mamasan is available for barfine.
all the women have an option to go with you or refuse. do not take it as
rejection because there are various scenarios. she may have a bf, maybe
on the period or just do not like you.
5. if you like a girl ask the waitress to call her to sit with you . she may come
or refuse. if she refuses try next one. if the girl comes and sits with you
the waitress will ask you to buy her a drink. if you refuse the girl will think
you are looking for a cheap thrill and she will not get a fat tip. if no drink
is forthcoming she will leave immediately unless she likes you.
come on be generous. ( you did not come all this way spending thousands
of dollars to be worried about few dollars for ladydrinks)
6. start talking to the girl and get a feel for the connnection. if the girl likes
you, you will have a good experience together. if you get a good vibe
barfine her which ranges from 1000-3000 pesos depending on the girl.
make sure the girl is not on her period and she is not a virgin.
you can ask the girl directly.
7. contract of barfining does not guarantee you to have sex with her.
however i have not heard of any bargirl crying [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] so far to get you
into trouble. ( if i am wrong experienced mongers can chime in)
8. once you barfine the girl essentially she becomes your companion. you
can take her to dinner,dancing, barhopping or to your room.
9. some girls want to run away after one time sex while others like to stay
with you till kicked out.
10. for a first timer, i would avoid casas,picking girls off the street, mall etc.
sometimes they are a big rip-off or worse police traps with **** girls.
11. read the posts. there are all kinds of info about manila and ac.
12. once you meet the girls and you both hit it off, you can make plans
to go to boracay like boyfriend- girlfriend and have a good time.
do not take any girl, if you do not have rapport you will have a
miserable time.

It's the same guy. They think he's a computer technician who already knew each of the expats, so he was invited in each time. He's on the run now, but they've identified the guy and he'll probably be caught.

[QUOTE=Freezone]
7) Do the deed, if ST some places have rooms on site, if LT take her back to your hotel room

[/QUOTE]
What bars have ST rooms on site?

JollyFrog has one.

What an interesting expierience i had there.

Went the at 2pm when they just opened. There were about 10 very young girls just getting on stage. A few were still dressing in the back as I ran into them just putting on their clothes in clear view as I used the bathroom.

They have a small room with a bed in the back. Its a dumpy place.

I barfinned two 19yr old sexy girls and they took me back to the room. Not much of a sexy show or anything but that was ok because i was just looking for dirty sex with a couple of young girls.

They pulled my clothes off and they got naked. I asked them to both suck my dick at the same time and they did. One girl was hotter than the other.

After about 15 min of them tradding off licking my balls and sucking my dick I stood up and had them both on their knees. I told the hot one that I wanted to cum in her mouth. As I jacked off she kept her moutth open and tongue out and said shoot my mouth not my face ok. The other one was under me sucking on my balls the whole time.

Well ive always been a bad shot and it ended up in her mouth and all over her face to. I then held the other one by the back of her hair and put my dick in her mouth and told her to suck the rest of my cum off and she did.

The girl that took the cum shot was coughing, choking and spitting and me and the other girl were laughing. I pulled my pants on and we all met up in the booth in the bar to have a drink and cool off.

The girls were laughing and talking loud to the mama in tagalog. The girl who took the cum shot was going on and on and pointing at her face and they were all laughing.

The mama then translated that it was the girls firt time taking cum shot. I told them it was my first time to.

ST barfine was 800P for each girl and i gave them each a 20P tip

Took the 150P trike back to the hotel, took a shower and watched TV.

Love that Place.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]What bars have ST rooms on site?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MauiDude]I have been here about three years. And very little observed problems in a relative sense compared to living in the USA

Can not let your guard down but same for USA.

I have had some problems but usually if I let my guard down.

I have heard that most of the recent problems is due to being involved in things like involving people and their money?

Not sure what is true. But you can be as safe here as in any country.

But you got to be careful of what you do and who you do it with.

I have good security where I am at. The wild orchid condos.

They pay attention.[/QUOTE]

I agree with MauiDude. I have always felt relatively safe in the Philippines even compared to Vancouver which is pretty safe, but I also recognize that if shit happens you are on your own. NO one is likely to help you unless you are travelling with friends.
THis is a third world country and there are lots of hungry people who will not think twice of taking a run at you. Would not want to count how many filipinos I have come across with edged weapons or firearms.
Be observant and aware of your surroundings at all times. Dont get falling down drunk unless your in the safety of your hotel or other place. Take a trike at night.
Trust no one...this is not the type of place for
overt signs of wealth. You fools with the gold chains and expensive watches had better take notice.
Keep a low profile and be very careful of the bar girls you associate with. In my experience alot of of them have filipino boy friends and there is no such thing as dicretion on their parts.
I think its a good idea to use the short time rooms at places like Bangkok hotel down across from Paradise beer Garden on lower Fields. At least till you get a good feel for the girl.
Had a friend last year staying up on Perimeter and one of the bar girls brought this guy right to his hotel over a pool cue that he was remotely interested in. Basically intimidated him into buying it at inflated price. Later that week another girl he thought was a newbie to bars and so sweet...had her husband calling him and threatening him.
Keep your intineary too yourself and dont be giving out too much personal info.
Be safe and smile even when your pissed off...dont engage the locals unless there is absolutely no alternative. You will come out on the losing end no matter who you think you are.
Philippines is still alot of fun but the more time Im there the wiser I get, I hope.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]What bars have ST rooms on site?[/QUOTE]
As TW said, Jolly Frog. Emotions has one too, if I remember correctly. Honeyko's out on Perimeter has upstairs rooms and a ST barfine, 750 pesos, at least as of last year.

Don't forget Matrix Brawn, with their 500 pesos BBBJ in the backroom.

Also, you might want to seach for a map of Angeles City on the web and see where all the short time hotels are located. There aren't many, but there are some located around the bars, usually 200-300 pesos for three hours or so.

[QUOTE=Ezinho]As TW said, Jolly Frog. Emotions has one too, if I remember correctly. Honeyko's out on Perimeter has upstairs rooms and a ST barfine, 750 pesos, at least as of last year.

Don't forget Matrix Brawn, with their 500 pesos BBBJ in the backroom.

Also, you might want to seach for a map of Angeles City on the web and see where all the short time hotels are located. There aren't many, but there are some located around the bars, usually 200-300 pesos for three hours or so.[/QUOTE]

Matrix Brawn...went there once was sitting with one of the girls not knowing it was bj bar. I kept checking my shoe for shit as it seemed to smell, till I noticed it was the girls breath. Needless to say I left quick. Hope their short time rooms are cleaner than the bar and the girls. Lol!

No I dont think the girls are much cleaner than the sticky floor at Jolly Frog. The one girl that got the cum shot walked out of the room and spit out right on the floor in front of a few more girls. Not one girl batted an eye.

But do you really think its much different than most of the AC girls? I mean theres alot that goes on that you dont see. The girls jump from one hotel room to the next. The girl u pick up that looks so cute and sweet that you start kissing could have been sucking some other guys dick 15 min ago.

Thats just to much to think about. Yuck.

[QUOTE=Frank4220]Matrix Brawn...went there once was sitting with one of the girls not knowing it was bj bar. I kept checking my shoe for shit as it seemed to smell, till I noticed it was the girls breath. Needless to say I left quick. Hope their short time rooms are cleaner than the bar and the girls. Lol![/QUOTE]

thanks for the detailed info mate, i'll take this all into consideration.

[quote=sammon]1. try to read all the reports here even if it does not maky any sense to you. it will make sense to you after finishing the trip.

2. go to balibago.com or ac sites to get a map of all bars.

most of the bars are concentrated within a mile on fields avemue and there are some bars in outlying areas. as a first timer i would not advice you going outside the fields area. fields area is reasonably safe.

3. go to as many bars as possible to get the feel of it. have a drink and go to the next one.

4. all bars are filled (i mean really filled) with girls of varying size and shapes and age. all the girls including the old mamasan is available for barfine. all the women have an option to go with you or refuse. do not take it as rejection because there are various scenarios. she may have a bf, maybe on the period or just do not like you.

5. if you like a girl ask the waitress to call her to sit with you. she may come or refuse. if she refuses try next one. if the girl comes and sits with you the waitress will ask you to buy her a drink. if you refuse the girl will think you are looking for a cheap thrill and she will not get a fat tip. if no drink is forthcoming she will leave immediately unless she likes you.come on be generous. (you did not come all this way spending thousands of dollars to be worried about few dollars for ladydrinks)

6. start talking to the girl and get a feel for the connnection. if the girl likes you, you will have a good experience together. if you get a good vibe barfine her which ranges from 1000-3000 pesos depending on the girl. make sure the girl is not on her period and she is not a virgin. you can ask the girl directly.

7. contract of barfining does not guarantee you to have sex with her. however i have not heard of any bargirl crying [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] so far to get you into trouble. (if i am wrong experienced mongers can chime in)

8. once you barfine the girl essentially she becomes your companion. you can take her to dinner, dancing, barhopping or to your room.

9. some girls want to run away after one time sex while others like to stay with you till kicked out.

10. for a first timer, i would avoid casas, picking girls off the street, mall etc. sometimes they are a big rip-off or worse police traps with **** girls.

11. read the posts. there are all kinds of info about manila and ac.

12. once you meet the girls and you both hit it off, you can make plans to go to boracay like boyfriend- girlfriend and have a good time. do not take any girl, if you do not have rapport you will have a miserable time.[/quote]

Thanks for the detailed info mate, I'll take this all into consideration. will be there in 3 months so hoping to have a good time there.

[QUOTE=Freezone]Picking an AC chick is real easy,

1) Just walk into any bar,

2) Sit down order something to drink,

3) Point to any lady in the room

4) Ask her to come over

5) Buy her a drink to get to know her a little better

6) Barfine her if you like her

7) Do the deed, if ST some places have rooms on site, if LT take her back to your hotel room

8) Give her small tip or trike money back to bar

Now somethings are still possible:

A)not mandatory for #2 and #5 above as you could just go into bar and BF any lady without the sitting and drinking-up to you but can't get to know the lady before paying for her

B)mandatory BF for taking lady out of bar during working hours, only way to avoid BF is to "talk" her into seeing you when bar closes and she agree to see you, even then they usually want some payment, so not really free.

C)only thing "free"=but maybe not hassle free is to do the online site dating scene for hook up upon arrival. Not hassle free or totally free as you should spend time and money on them for dinner etc.

Also, this will apply to meeting the lady at malls etc.

-

Boracay: forget it. The best thing you can do is find one in PI and bring her with you. It's a place for sun and surf but not for lady pickup. For free pickup, could score with other foreign tourist as some lady could be looking for action, but don't count on it.

Good luck and hope this helps.

FZ[/QUOTE]

[url]http://news.ph.msn.com/regional/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4240365[/url]

[quote]By Agence France-Presse, Updated: 7/26/2010

Police hunt killer of foreigners in Philippines

Police in the Philippines were hunting a man on Monday suspected of murdering three foreigners in separate attacks inside gated communities this month, authorities said.

The victims -- an American, a Canadian and a Briton -- were among nine people believed to have been killed by 28-year-old Mark Dizon in the northern city of Angeles, according to police.

"We are conducting a massive manhunt for his arrest," Angeles police chief Danilo Bautista told AFP.

Dizon, a computer technician and reflexologist, is suspected of killing American Albert Mitchell, 70, his 53-year-old Filipina wife, Janet, and their three domestic helpers inside their Angeles home last week, Bautista said.

He is believed to have murdered Briton James Porter, 51, and his 22-year-old Filipina girlfriend in their home a few days earlier, according to Bautista.

Dizon is also suspected of murdering Canadian Geoffrey Bennun, 60, and his 20-year-old Filipina girlfriend in similar circumstances on July 12.

All the men were retirees and lived in separate gated communities that are popular with foreigners in Angeles, according to Bautista.

Dizon would befriend his victims and gain their trust before entering their communities on the premise that he was going to repair their computers, Angeles mayor Edgardo Pamintuan told reporters at the weekend.

He is then alleged to have killed his victims with a 9mm pistol and stolen electronic gadgets from their homes, which he then pawned.

A local pawn-shop owner, who saw pictures of the suspect on television, handed over to police a laptop, cameras, lenses and mobile phones all recently pawned by Dizon.

Angeles is well-known for its red-light nightlife, which began when the city serviced a US airbase. The base closed in 1991 but the city retains a large population of foreign residents.

Mitchell, the murdered American, was a retired US air force serviceman, according to Bautista[/quote]

ANGELES CITY, Philippines (AFP) – Police in the Philippines were hunting a man on Monday suspected of murdering three foreigners in separate attacks inside gated communities this month, authorities said.

The victims -- an American, a Canadian and a Briton -- were among nine people believed to have been killed by 28-year-old Mark Dizon in the northern city of Angeles, according to police.

They are all ways slower to respond when it is a filipino doing the bad stuff, no money in it for them.

Hi all. I'd be interested on your views on whether it is feasible to get up to AC for just a couple of nights - I've yet to visit... I have a colleague in Manila who I'll catch-up with socially, and I've warned him out that I'll prob fly into Clark on Tiger or Air Asia, and I'm sure he'd enjoy the excuse to get up there as well.

I'll actually be arriving in Manila on a Sat around 7pm, and departing Manila again on Mon around 11am. The main hassle is getting to/from AC on arrival at manila.

Having read a number of posts/sites, it seems the most direct way to get to AC is by car, probably from the hotel, for around about PHP2500 +/- . I'd probably have to do the same for the return. I reckon that this means my arrival time in AC would be around 10:30pm (1 hr for arrival processing and 2.5 hrs Manila to AC.) Similarly for the return.....

So, it seems that getting to/from AC will cost PHP 5,000 and around 3.5-4 hours on Sat night.

Is it worth the hassle? I could simply grab a hotel near EDSA and see what is happening ... but that has been done before, albeit quite some time ago.

Grateful for your thoughts. Y

[QUOTE=Yendor]Hi all. I'd be interested on your views on whether it is feasible to get up to AC for just a couple of nights - I've yet to visit... I have a colleague in Manila who I'll catch-up with socially, and I've warned him out that I'll prob fly into Clark on Tiger or Air Asia, and I'm sure he'd enjoy the excuse to get up there as well.

I'll actually be arriving in Manila on a Sat around 7pm, and departing Manila again on Mon around 11am. The main hassle is getting to/from AC on arrival at manila.

Having read a number of posts/sites, it seems the most direct way to get to AC is by car, probably from the hotel, for around about PHP2500 +/- . I'd probably have to do the same for the return. I reckon that this means my arrival time in AC would be around 10:30pm (1 hr for arrival processing and 2.5 hrs Manila to AC.) Similarly for the return.....

So, it seems that getting to/from AC will cost PHP 5,000 and around 3.5-4 hours on Sat night.

Is it worth the hassle? I could simply grab a hotel near EDSA and see what is happening ... but that has been done before, albeit quite some time ago.

Grateful for your thoughts. Y[/QUOTE]
You can take a bus from Swagman hotel which is next to Bayview hotel.
It is 600 pesos for one person. If you are three or more people sharing a car is good.
To find the schedule do a google search - fly the bus

[QUOTE=Yendor]Hi all. I'd be interested on your views on whether it is feasible to get up to AC for just a couple of nights - I've yet to visit... I have a colleague in Manila who I'll catch-up with socially, and I've warned him out that I'll prob fly into Clark on Tiger or Air Asia, and I'm sure he'd enjoy the excuse to get up there as well.
[QUOTE]Yes - it is good to hit AC

[QUOTE]Having read a number of posts/sites, it seems the most direct way to get to AC is by car, probably from the hotel, for around about PHP2500 +/- . I'd probably have to do the same for the return. I reckon that this means my arrival time in AC would be around 10:30pm (1 hr for arrival processing and 2.5 hrs Manila to AC.) Similarly for the return.....[/QUOTE]don't spend so much. 5000 equals to 3 girls or more.

Check [url]www.Swaggy.com[/url]. For bus schedule.

And flagged taxis have a way of 'raising the fare'. Like toll charge, fuel. This and that. And when you reach AC, the guy will whine that he has to return empty. And add another 1000 or 2000.

If you are first timer. Either Fly the bus (SWagman) or. Book a hotel in AC and get them to pick you. Maybe cheaper.

Kind of a strange question, but are there any bars without dancers that have good music and cheap drinks where I can go to relax for a couple hours in the afternoons? Something around Perimeter/Fields would be great.

I guess I asking for something more like a beer bar in Thailand, somewhere I can go and chill and get my drink on.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Econo Tech][QUOTE=Yendor]Hi all. I'd be interested on your views on whether it is feasible to get up to AC for just a couple of nights - I've yet to visit... I have a colleague in Manila who I'll catch-up with socially, and I've warned him out that I'll prob fly into Clark on Tiger or Air Asia, and I'm sure he'd enjoy the excuse to get up there as well.

[QUOTE]Yes - it is good to hit AC

don't spend so much. 5000 equals to 3 girls or more.

Check [url]www.Swaggy.com[/url]. For bus schedule.

And flagged taxis have a way of 'raising the fare'. Like toll charge, fuel. This and that. And when you reach AC, the guy will whine that he has to return empty. And add another 1000 or 2000.

If you are first timer. Either Fly the bus (SWagman) or. Book a hotel in AC and get them to pick you. Maybe cheaper.[/QUOTE]I agree it is cheaper. There are pros to a personal driver though such as a vehicle to yourself with A/C and a direct drive straight to your hotel near Field's Avenue; This is where the action resides. I would recommend staying at a hotel near Field's Avenue. The swag hotel in Angeles is no walking distance to the action nightlife. The closer you are to Field's Avenue the more convenient IMHO.

Thanks guys. I should have said I checked the 'fly the bus' schedule and it didn't look like this would work, especially for the return.

Manila to AC. Flight arrives 7.00pm Sat Night, Bus departs Swagman Hotel 8.30pm. Too tight?

AC to Manila. Flight departs 11.00am, so the 8:00am departure from AC is too late to make the 2 hrs check-in.

I'd figured that an AC hotel pick/drop would be the best. I much prefer the 'certain nature' of mongering in AC, although I guess EDSA or other spots in Manila would be OK.

Anyway, once I determine what I'm doing, I'll post in travel thread...

Cheers, Y

[QUOTE=Yendor]Thanks guys. I should have said I checked the 'fly the bus' schedule and it didn't look like this would work, especially for the return.

Manila to AC. Flight arrives 7.00pm Sat Night, Bus departs Swagman Hotel 8.30pm. Too tight?

AC to Manila. Flight departs 11.00am, so the 8:00am departure from AC is too late to make the 2 hrs check-in.

I'd figured that an AC hotel pick/drop would be the best. I much prefer the 'certain nature' of mongering in AC, although I guess EDSA or other spots in Manila would be OK.

Anyway, once I determine what I'm doing, I'll post in travel thread...

Cheers, Y[/QUOTE]
You can take the Bus going to AC at 8.30 PM. At that time of the night the taxi from airport to swagman hotel should take approx 20-25 minutes. Cost will be approx 200 pesos.
On the way back it is better to come the previous day and stay in Manila for one night. Yes, You can make the flight if you take a taxi early in the morning from AC but as for me I hate to get up early after a night of boozing and womanizing.

hello to everybody,
been away from the board quite some time and have to catch up a bit.
If you like to go to AC yo should try to catch "fly the bus". If you fail, you have many options to get a direct cab/ride to ac while swagman staff will assist you regarding price, etc. Maybe you find another monger who is going zo arrive with you and you can share a ride to AC..happened to me one time.

AC is well woth the visit, in terms of girls, bars and fun.

Blink

[QUOTE=Tally Wacker]No I dont think the girls are much cleaner than the sticky floor at Jolly Frog. The one girl that got the cum shot walked out of the room and spit out right on the floor in front of a few more girls. Not one girl batted an eye.

But do you really think its much different than most of the AC girls? I mean theres alot that goes on that you dont see. The girls jump from one hotel room to the next. The girl u pick up that looks so cute and sweet that you start kissing could have been sucking some other guys dick 15 min ago.

Thats just to much to think about. Yuck.[/QUOTE]

Reminds of me of this very pretty girl at Emotions who was waiting for her barfine to show up. What the hell she thinks. its 15 minutes till he gets here. Up she gos to shortime room. Not even 15 minutes later she is hurriedly running to entrance to greet her barfine...yuk!

[QUOTE=Frank4220]Reminds of me of this very pretty girl at Emotions who was waiting for her barfine to show up. What the hell she thinks. its 15 minutes till he gets here. Up she gos to shortime room. Not even 15 minutes later she is hurriedly running to entrance to greet her barfine...yuk![/QUOTE]I'm sorry mates I just vomited. I do need to be thankful for not contracting any gonorrhea in the mouth or herpes.

The International on Blow Road is a nice bar, nice food, usually have some sort of sports on the big screen, casino in back, and no dancers. The waitresses are fun to look at, but not sure if they are BFable. Nice place to relax and have a drink or bite to eat though!

[QUOTE=Night Spotting]Kind of a strange question, but are there any bars without dancers that have good music and cheap drinks where I can go to relax for a couple hours in the afternoons? Something around Perimeter/Fields would be great.

I guess I asking for something more like a beer bar in Thailand, somewhere I can go and chill and get my drink on.

Thanks![/QUOTE]

Hi,

Could someone please recommend a nice hotel in AC near all the night life and action, (Fields Ave) I'm a first timer in Philippines so any info would be great, I'm after a hotel thats reasonably priced, perhaps with swimming pool etc. Any info would be great.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Red Wine]I'm sorry mates I just vomited.[/QUOTE]
In that case AC is definitely the wrong place for you.
That's the way it is. Pretty normal.
Cheers!

Pacific Breeze is the best in Fields. Nice pool, super girl friendly. If the girl leaves, they call your room to verify its ok for her to leave which I thought was pretty cool. I walked around to the 4 or 5 hotels in the area, and the rooms weren't nearly as nice as PB. Its a bit more expensive than others, but not as expensive as some, but great value for the $$.

Only downside is the 1/2 block walk to blow road and the 1st of the bars has a few trannies. But after 2 nights they leave you alone. As long as U-turn them down.

[QUOTE=Aus Dodo]Hi,

Could someone please recommend a nice hotel in AC near all the night life and action, (Fields Ave) I'm a first timer in Philippines so any info would be great, I'm after a hotel thats reasonably priced, perhaps with swimming pool etc. Any info would be great.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yendor]Thanks guys. I should have said I checked the 'fly the bus' schedule and it didn't look like this would work, especially for the return.

Manila to AC. Flight arrives 7.00pm Sat Night, Bus departs Swagman Hotel 8.30pm. Too tight?

AC to Manila. Flight departs 11.00am, so the 8:00am departure from AC is too late to make the 2 hrs check-in.

I'd figured that an AC hotel pick/drop would be the best. I much prefer the 'certain nature' of mongering in AC, although I guess EDSA or other spots in Manila would be OK.

Anyway, once I determine what I'm doing, I'll post in travel thread...

Cheers, Y[/QUOTE]

Personally to me, you could possibly make the bus if everything goes right meaning no delays on landing, no long lines at immigration, but I think it'll be close. It may not be worth the hassle of trying to save money and get there to see you missed the bus. You can save the time by getting picked up at the airport instead and getting to AC faster. It's definitely more expensive and if you are going to bother to go there for that one night you should stay second night and then get another private car to airport to get your flight. It's a tough and probably tiring schedule but you'll most likely have fun. The 5000 pesos can also be saved by just doing Manila/Makati instead at a slower pace but the costs add up there especially if LA Cafe isn't going and you do EDSA or Burgos.

Thanks - some serious travel being contemplated. It'll be a long day as I'm leaving Bangkok on Sat noon and travelling to Manila via HongKong. Likewise for the return on Monday - I'll be departing Manila at 1100 landing back in Bangkok around 1630 local, and getting to Pattaya for last 2 nights before going home.

In terms of cost, I'd concluded that what I lose on car trip to/from AC I'd make up on cheaper hotel/drinking/mongering costs. Time is the only thing you can't get back ... hence the initial query. Reading the forum left me with the view that activities run later in AC and that might compensate for the lost transit. Whether I can cope is another question....

Thanks for the input. Thailand is a much more familiar landscape......

Angeles City 'serial killer' finally falls
By Ding Cervantes (The Philippine Star) Updated July 28, 2010 12:00 AM Comments (6)


ANGELES CITY, Philippines – A computer technician tagged in a series of robbery-killings in this city was finally arrested in San Fernando, La Union yesterday afternoon.

The suspect, Mark Dizon, 28, yielded a caliber .38 revolver with eight bullets, a laptop, and a cellular phone when an Angeles City police team headed by Superintendent Elvis Diaz nabbed him in front of the San Fernando plaza, said Chief Superintendent Arturo Cacdac Jr., Central Luzon police director.

Expatriates here had offered a P100,000 reward for Dizon’s arrest.

Dizon, who also worked as a reflexologist, was nabbed five days after the killing of retired US Air Force M/Sgt. Albert Mitchell, 70, his wife Janet, 53, and their house helpers Isabel Fajardo, Marissa Prado, and Yulberto Catli in their home at Hensonville Court Subdivision in Barangay Malabanias here.

Dizon was implicated in the killing and that of seven other people, mostly expatriates, in separate incidents in this city.

Mayor Edgardo Pamintuan said Dizon is also the suspect in the killing of South African national Geoffrey Allan Bennun, 60, and his live-in partner, Abegail Helina, 20, whose decomposing bodies were found in their house at Oasis Hotel and Villas in Clarkville Compound in Barangay Anunas here last July 12.

Dizon was also tagged in the July 16 killing of Briton James Bolton Porter, 51, and his live-in partner, Melissa Madarang, 22, in their house at Sta. Maria Subdivision in Barangay Balibago here.

In all cases, Bautista said the victims’ laptops were stolen and a 9-mm pistol was the murder weapon, based on slugs found in the crime scenes.



After reading this I had to ask how bad can the security be at the Oasis hotel that two people get killed with a 9-mm pistol and security does not do anything. WTF??? Can't wait to see what Harry the Horse has to say on this.

I fly into NAIA 1630hrs. Can't be bothered with the 2030hrs Fly-the-Bus from the Swagman, and prefer to take a car direct from the airport to AC. Anyone interested in sharing the cost?

Hi,

Could someone please recommend a nice hotel in AC near all the night life and action, (Fields Ave) I'm a first timer in Philippines so any info would be great, I'm after a hotel thats reasonably priced, perhaps with swimming pool etc. Any info would be great.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Freetime]Angeles City 'serial killer' finally falls

By Ding Cervantes (The Philippine Star) Updated July 28, 2010 12:00 AM Comments (6)

ANGELES CITY, Philippines – A computer technician tagged in a series of robbery-killings in this city was finally arrested in San Fernando, La Union yesterday afternoon.

After reading this I had to ask how bad can the security be at the Oasis hotel that two people get killed with a 9-mm pistol and security does not do anything. WTF??? Can't wait to see what Harry the Horse has to say on this.[/QUOTE]I believe that the two people who were killed were living in a house in the "Oasis Compound" and not the "Oasis Hotel". I think the Oasis Compound is made up of separate housing and also the Hotel. I stayed in the Oasis Hotel in the mid 90's.

Has any member ever stayed at the clarkton hotel, Angeles City? can they advise if this is a good place to stay?

[QUOTE=JohnHorner]The International on Blow Road is a nice bar, nice food, usually have some sort of sports on the big screen, casino in back, and no dancers.[/QUOTE]Last couple visits I thought the food had gone way downhill from its days as Shano's, so as far as I'm concerned it's strictly a drinking place, though a comfortable one. For the OP looking for drinks without girls, Kokomoz and Margaritaville (that's right Jimmy B's lawyers, that's what we still call it!) are the standard hangouts. Poolside at either of the Orchid hotels is pretty pleasant on a nice day.

[QUOTE=Freetime]In all cases, Bautista said the victims’ laptops were stolen and a 9-mm pistol was the murder weapon, [/QUOTE]
Just terrible, that a lousy laptop for a few hundred $ makes you a target for a robbery and even a murder.

Stay safe!

[QUOTE=JohnHorner]Pacific Breeze is the best in Fields. Nice pool, super girl friendly. If the girl leaves, they call your room to verify its ok for her to leave which I thought was pretty cool. I walked around to the 4 or 5 hotels in the area, and the rooms weren't nearly as nice as PB. Its a bit more expensive than others, but not as expensive as some, but great value for the $$.

Only downside is the 1/2 block walk to blow road and the 1st of the bars has a few trannies. But after 2 nights they leave you alone. As long as U-turn them down.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advise, have you ever stayed at the Clarkton Hotel? If yes what is your recommendation about that hotel?

[QUOTE=Aus Dodo]Thanks for the advise, have you ever stayed at the Clarkton Hotel? If yes what is your recommendation about that hotel?[/QUOTE]Clarkton is good, clean, and has it's own bar (mirrors bar) so if you run out of choices, you got one choice.

But it is not in Fields, though Clarkton does have a shuttle service.

If you are on the relaxing mood - go for CLarkton. If you are in the mood to but more notches on your belt - stay at or near Fields.

Cheers

hi,

I think the clarkton is a nice hotel and they have old and newly renovated rooms. They also have a big breakfast buffet for those who are missing home.

I havent stayed there yet, because I am only on weekends in AC, so I like to have a place with walking distance to the action.
However I think Clarkton has a shuttle service to fields and if you step out you can hail down any jeepney which drops you just infront of Margaritha station/jeepney terminal.
However, sometimes its faster to walk then to ride, so I prefer a hotel nearby lower fields ave.
If your a perimeter fan then its ok to stay at clarkton. Clarkton has also his own bar inside the hotel and I think their cook is quite good (expat).

Clarkton is run by a German guy. If that doesnt scare you off then you welcome to stay over there.

BTW I am also German.

Blink

Just arrived in AC for the first time, I've read the forum extensively but was wondering which bars currently have the best lineup? I know it is opinion but just like to hear a few. If anyone wants to meet for a beer I'm here for the next 3 days.

Also anyone know if you can buy V or C at the pharmacy without a prescription?

I agree with whats been said. I never even made it to Perimeter. I stayed for 2 weeks and went to 2-3 different bars every night on Fields. It was nice not having to worry about a jeepney ride back to my hotel. Clarkton has maybe 7-10 bars nearby, Fields too many to count, including what became my favorite "Forbidden City"

Anyway, like I said I haven't been to Clarkton, so I can't offer any insights, but I do know my time on Fields at PB was heaven!

[QUOTE=Aus Dodo]Thanks for the advise, have you ever stayed at the Clarkton Hotel? If yes what is your recommendation about that hotel?[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the hotel advise guys, its a tough choice between the clarkton hotel or pacific breeze, unless onther felow mongerers can suggest other good hotels in AC, I would like to be near the action, but have a good hotel, with good food, and pool etc. But reasonably priced.

Its my first time there so looking for some good advise.

[QUOTE=Jcr153]Just arrived in AC for the first time, I've read the forum extensively but was wondering which bars currently have the best lineup? I know it is opinion but just like to hear a few. If anyone wants to meet for a beer I'm here for the next 3 days.

Also anyone know if you can buy V or C at the pharmacy without a prescription?[/QUOTE]It's been almost a year for me, so I can't give you any current info on the bars, although Treasure Island was my favorite on Fields and Honeykos was my favorite on Perimeter.

And yes, you do not need a script for V or C, but buy it from a pharmacy and not a street vendor, but you probably knew that.

Have a great time and I envy you.

Gonzofiend

I'd try Golden Nile, Dirty Duck, Cambodia, and Forbidden City. And out on Perimeter Road, try Lost in Asia.

My last BF's were from
Agasya
Las Vegas
Forbidden City
Emotions (Perimeter)

I would also take a look at
Crystal Palace
Doll House

Thanks for the input. I tried Genesis last night. Not sure why was just walking by and decided I was thirsty and needed to get the ball rolling. There was a lot of girls. I think this is because they are attached to the place next door and rotate them between the two (I think). But between hostesses and bikini girls there had to be at least 50 girls to choose from possibly more. Met a charming girl and bought here few lady drinks. Decided to pull the trigger after a while and bring her back to the hotel. Sex was good and she was friendly but she of course wanted to leave afterwards which I expected after reading the forum. This seems common and I overheard 2 girls joking about how the girls who spend the whole night are fools. So I guess that if you really want LT you better negotiate it up front and give her some incentive to keep their word. Unfortunately since you already paid their is no bargaining power where you could decrease the price of service for a shorter time. But in general $30-$35 for ST is still a deal compared to places like Brazil or Peru.

Well I'll take the advice of some of the board members tonight and check out some of the recommended spots and see how my luck goes. Happy hunting gentlemen.

JCR

[quote=poopbunny]my last bf's were from
agasya
las vegas
forbidden city
emotions (perimeter)

i would also take a look at
crystal palace
doll house[/quote]
hi,
just curious bout barfines in agayssa.. i went there before and barfined (very seldom) girls from there. however the one i like dont like me and the ones i dont like, like me lol..or they are cherrygirls which i dont like (waste of time).
so whats your secret? you can also pm me. btw i know the mama san and the bartender, when going there i always sit at the bar drinkin my sm light..usually the girls dont like to go with western guys...(true but also not true since i spot some of the hotties with young marines the next day)
i am not a young marine, neither i am an old fart..maybe something in between :d so i wonder whats your secret. i also have to say that i am sometimes inpatient. i mean if the music sucks and the girls play "untouchable" i move on to the next spot..
you can also pm me.

blink

I'm an older guy (63) and have always found the ladies at Doll House and Ponytails very friendly. Things are constantly changing in AC but for now Ponytails is where I feel most comfortable. I was in AC last May and barfined two different ladies at Ponytails. The two ladies where great. Good luck

Boricua

[QUOTE=Blink157]Hi,

Just curious about barfines in agayssa. I went there before and barfined (very seldom) girls from there. However the one I like don't like me and the ones I don't like, like me LOL. Or they are cherrygirls which I don't like (waste of time).

So whats your secret? You can also pm me. BTW I know the mama san and the bartender, when going there I always sit at the bar drinkin my sm light. Usually the girls don't like to go with western guys. (true but also not true since I spot some of the hotties with young marines the next day)

I am not a young marine, neither I am an old fart. Maybe something in between So I wonder whats your secret. I also have to say that I am sometimes inpatient. I mean if the music sucks and the girls play "untouchable" I move on to the next spot.

You can also PM me.

Blink[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jcr153]Sex was good and she was friendly but she of course wanted to leave afterwards which I expected after reading the forum. This seems common and I overheard 2 girls joking about how the girls who spend the whole night are fools. So I guess that if you really want LT you better negotiate it up front and give her some incentive to keep their word.

JCR[/QUOTE]This has been discussed a lot recently. Over the last 7 years for me and more or less time for others, there has been a noticeable increase in the 'Short time only' bar girls. Mainly in the so called "spot light dancers" or the good old "hotties".

Years ago, JREG kept a list of the few so called "RUNNERS" to avoid.

Many blame the ASIAN influence. I have many lady friends that still laugh about the 234 or (222, 233 ???) Asian men. 2 minutes, 3 inches and 4000P tip! Can not really blame the girls. Just a shame though.

Maybe ST is what happens in their country. Or they just don't want the girls to be with them all night. But the trend is here to stay.

Whatever the reason, YOU MUST ASK THE GIRL IF SHE WILL STAY ALL NIGHT! I specifically ask for all night and to have breakfast. You can have the MAMASAN explain the deal to the girl(s) as well.

If they agreed to stay and then decide to leave early....NO TIP!

If they try to pull a 1 hour visit or so...you might even be able to get your money back if the MAMASAN had been involved in the dealings.

The ones that will stay only until 4 or 5 am (if that is the end of their work shift) probably have a BF, friends or family that they live with and do not want them to know they bar fined.

"We only go bar hopping".. yah, right!

I'm back in September for some ST afternoons and LT only nights!

[quote=sammon]



7. contract of barfining does not guarantee you to have sex with her.
however i have not heard of any bargirl crying [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] so far to get you
into trouble. ( if i am wrong experienced mongers can chime in)
.[/quote]


yes, this is very rare but has happened in the past to extort money from the poor guys. i think there were post about this maybe 2 years ago from some unlucky bastard?
like i said, its rare so if lady seems very unwilling to have sex with you even though she gave you that impression while at the bar (getting the barfine and lds), don't go any further as she could push the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] issue, just let her go and find another. but something like this is very uncommon so don't it bother you and just enjoy the trip.

[QUOTE=Jcr153]This seems common and I overheard 2 girls joking about how the girls who spend the whole night are fools.


So I guess that if you really want LT you better negotiate it up front and give her some incentive to keep their word. [/QUOTE]

Been there and done that and no matter what was promised beforehand, as soon as the 1st round was done, so was she and gone soon after. I had at least 3 runners on my last trip during my 10 day stay.


Never actually heard the ladies talk about the LT issue in front of customers but it is becoming a growing but bad trend in AC.


Shark

[QUOTE=Freetime]Angeles City 'serial killer' finally falls

The suspect, Mark Dizon, 28, yielded a caliber .38 revolver with eight bullets, .

In all cases, Bautista said the victims’ laptops were stolen and a 9-mm pistol was the murder weapon, based on slugs found in the crime scenes.



.[/QUOTE]


Hmm, think they are using the old arrest the usual suspect and pin the murders on him to solve the case as quickly as possible or do you think they actually have the right guy?

Hint: murder weapons don't match.

There is a link to pics of the suspect on the PI at Night forum. Apparently the perp was a 'collector', pics show him with the 9mm, the revolver, and a few long guns.

[url]http://www.piatnight.com********index.php?showtopic=39074[/url]

[QUOTE=Blink157]hi,
just curious bout barfines in agayssa.. i went there before and barfined (very seldom) girls from there. However the one I like dont like me and the ones i dont like, like me lol..or they are cherrygirls which i dont like (waste of time).
So whats your secret? You can also pm me. btw I know the mama san and the bartender, when going there i always sit at the bar drinkin my sm light..usually the girls dont like to go with western guys...(true but also not true since i spot some of the hotties with young marines the next day)
I am not a young marine, neither i am an old fart..maybe something in between :D So I wonder whats your secret. I also have to say that I am sometimes inpatient. I mean if the music sucks and the girls play "untouchable" I move on to the next spot..
You can also PM me.

Blink[/QUOTE]

I thought all you do is: snap your finger, point and say barfine.

I've been to Agaysa many times (one of my favorite girls work there). There's different levels of barfines. I've seen girls go out with western guys. Do the girls reject guys there?

It also could have been that the Korean owner reserved some of his cuter girls for his VIP customers.

The girls are not forced to go with customers (that would be close to trafficking and that would be dangerous for the mamasan and the owner). But my fav said that when the Korean owner ask her to go with an old drunk smelly Korean customeer, she feels obligated.

Do girls reject customeers if they're old, balding with a large beer belly? If so then I have 20 years left. Hopefully. LOL!

I observed this incident couple of years ago at Ziggys. An older westerner wanted this young cute thing. It seem she didn't want to go. But then the white manager and the mamasan went to talk to her. Afterwards she was pouting. Later I found out that it wasn't because he old, but it was because he would do her multiple times that night and the next morning, and not tip at all!

Hello,

I will arrive next week to AC. Where is best place to change dollars? Manila Airport money? Or. Are there money exchange houses in AC?

Thank you for your help.

I haven't posted in forever. So today I thought I'd contribute.

1) Never buy anything off the street. Never. It's never real, and after that "they" will never, never, ever leave you alone after that.

2) Don't buy from a so-called friend of a friend. You just put yourself in a position to look gullible or mark yourself as someone who is willing to get ripped off. "You want Cialis? Cool, I also got a stake in a bar I want to sell to you"

3) Go to a clinic. Pay the 800 pesos and see a doctor. While they are taking your BP, tell her that you are a wreck and high BP runs in your family.

4) Tell the doctor that you are on anti-depressants (Prozac), and BP medicine (Metoprolol and Lisinopril). Tell her since you started taking these meds you can't sustain an erection like you used to...or you have decreased libido. Tell her you want to take some medicine home.

5) Get a script for Vitamin V 100mg. Get at least 40 from her if you can.

6) GO TO A REAL PHARMACY. Generic is about 300 pesos a piece. Depends where you go. Manson Pharmacy is the most expensive. Try some other places. In the Western world, the V is over 1000 pesos a piece and it is bloody hell to get an MD to write an Rx for you.

7) Walk into your favorite bar with confidence. Even if you dont have ED, the power of your erection is an ego-booster. Stronger than when you were 18 years young.

To quote my fav poster here.

Stay horney my friends.

S.L.

[QUOTE=AsianLover2]No one is worth 4000p in AC. You can find hotter girls from 1500 to 3000. But if she is your dream girl, then about $90 would be money well spent.[/QUOTE]

I would generally agree; however, if Ronalie is still there, I might consider springing for the P4K.

thanks for the insight of agassya ( dam I even cant spell it). I dont like the atmosphere over there, the silly dancing, the music, etc, but I do sometimes like the girls..However if I going to barfine a girl she has to be pretty, otherwise i could also be with my pretty GF from AC. I am picky, I live and work in the PHils so often I just go barhop and make friends with the pretty ones, cause as you said the pretty ones have either some guys who support her aside from a local pinoy bf and dont need or dont want to barfine all the time, but sometimes they do.
I barfined a girl in Agasya longer time ago, but just for one night, cause I get bored easy if she isnt a real hottie..
When I am back I give agasya a try. I think with plenty of sm light´s I can stand the silly dances and maybe get lucky with the girl I want.

Blink

Like you I am impatient. I don't bar hop a lot because I just can't drink that much. My visit to a bar is generally 1 min to 60 min tops.

Here is my big secret. Never think of them as a ***** or bargirl, approach it like you were chatting up some nice girl at her bar.

At Agasya, I find that sometimes having a good waitress or mamasan on your side (you have to spring for an LD for them) helps. If I don't buy them an LD I make sure I tip them well (up to 100p, this makes them happy and its still cheaper than LD). They can often advise, eg. this girl will not LT etc...Then you don't waste an LD on the girl that you can't take home. Also when talking to the mamasan, sometimes she can make a plea to the girl you want on your behalf.

Stay at a nice place like LGH. It may be a few hundred P more than some apartelle, but it will get you the girls. When I am in LD with them, they always ask where I am staying. Invite them for a swim. Order some food and drink at the pool, its only a few bucks in real world money, but the girls really appreciate it. I suspect if I was staying in a hole, I would get some girls turning me down too.

I'll be lucky to make AC twice a year (and don't always visit Agasya), and they seem to remember me. And I am no big tipper like most Asians, etc... In fact a previous Agasya BF (I later found out from a waitress) was upset at me because I did not tip her much for staying so long with me. I explained to her that although she stayed long, she slept all day and I did not get Round 2 in the morning. I think that was reasonable and maybe word got around that I am fair and a nice guy...who knows.

I like to pace myself (I don't go at it like a rabbit all night long), I find it ruins the experience. Like hitting the buffet and overeating, not pleasant. Too much and my lust for it falls.

I am certainly no Tom Cruise (Ekspat and Hesekiels can attest to that). Like you I am no marine nor old fart either.

My mindset is I go to a bar with no expectations. I used to use the 20 question routine, now I just forget that. First, just talk to the girl, ask them about their hobbies, what they like, etc.. The last 2 questions I do ask is they would kiss (indicates GFE) then if they would not mind staying LT, if its a yes, I invite them to leave with me if they want to. If not, I thank them for their time, then move on.

My last trip I had 4 LT out of 4 nights. In all my visits I have had only 1 runner so far ever and I was glad to see her go (and I did not tip). We just did not click.

Agasya may not have the top girl, but they have quite a few nice ones, in my opinion they have the best average score (ie, if you lined all the girls up and scored each of them) as opposed to most other places where there are quite a few monkeys and then diamonds in the rough among them.

I always give a detailed field report. You can always get the names of the girls I am successful with and give them a shot, that is, if you like the look of them.

I'll probably be in AC end of August. PM me if you need a wingman for a night or 2.

[QUOTE=Blink157]hi,
just curious bout barfines in agayssa.. i went there before and barfined (very seldom) girls from there. However the one I like dont like me and the ones i dont like, like me lol..or they are cherrygirls which i dont like (waste of time).
So whats your secret? You can also pm me. btw I know the mama san and the bartender, when going there i always sit at the bar drinkin my sm light..usually the girls dont like to go with western guys...(true but also not true since i spot some of the hotties with young marines the next day)
I am not a young marine, neither i am an old fart..maybe something in between :D So I wonder whats your secret. I also have to say that I am sometimes inpatient. I mean if the music sucks and the girls play "untouchable" I move on to the next spot..
You can also PM me.

Blink[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jcr153]Also anyone know if you can buy V or C at the pharmacy without a prescription?[/QUOTE]

No prescription necessary.

Many opinions here...most of them negative.

Never tried the V, the C although fake, worked just as well as the real stuff. So the active ingredient is present.

Try one first before buying a lot. If it works well, go back to the same guy.

Don't pay more than P200 a box.

[QUOTE=Sharka]Been there and done that and no matter what was promised beforehand, as soon as the 1st round was done, so was she and gone soon after. I had at least 3 runners on my last trip during my 10 day stay.

Never actually heard the ladies talk about the LT issue in front of customers but it is becoming a growing but bad trend in AC.

Shark[/QUOTE]I was sitting with a girl I already agreed to barfine and 2 other girls were talking and laughing next to us. I asked her what they were talking about and with some reluctance and a bit of prodding she finally told me. I have no reason not to believe her and was a little shocked she actually told me. The irony is that she later only stayed for ST. I did not negotiate for LT, my mistake, but maybe she was setting up her escape for later. Who knows. She was good in bed and at approx $35 I was fine with it. Compared to ST in Brazil or Peru it is still a bargain.

[quote=poopbunny]no prescription necessary.

many opinions here...most of them negative.

never tried the v, the c although fake, worked just as well as the real stuff. so the active ingredient is present.

try one first before buying a lot. if it works well, go back to the same guy.

don't pay more than p200 a box.[/quote]i bought a sealed bottle of 10 for what equals $10 from a street vendor. will try one tonight and see if it actually works. i figure at a buck a pill what the heck. if i got scammed for $10 then so be it.

I just realized this is my 3rd consecutive post...sorry, but thought I contribute.

Went to a bar called Alaska. Was going to the 7/11 for some provisions and the girls tried to pull me in the bar. Told them I would come back. True to my word I did which I think amazed them. Once inside I was surrounded by 4 to 5 girls all rubbing up on me and vying for my attention. I am on ok looking guy but I was getting the royal treatment. Now the disclaimer is that most of these girls are 4-6 range with maybe a 7 or 8 depending on your taste. But I have to admit compared to the other bars I tried this was by far the best reaction I've received in AC. I was at the a fore mentioned Agasya and was not impressed. Just my opinion. So as things progress I now have 3 girls rubbing my crotch and giving me a massage. So I start with the questions...boyfriend, kids, bj, LT, and start weeding out applicants. Well I had to make a tough choice because I didn't want 2 girls, well to be more accurate I didn't want to pay for 2 girls, sure I'll take 2 girls, anyway I made my choice of this sweet little thing and she was probably a six but she did not disappoint. She stayed LT, gave me 3 rounds and didn't even ask for a tip. I of course gave her 100 pesos for transport and sent her on her way around noon. She was a true GFE.

Makes me wonder why I frequent the mega places when the smaller places always seem to have the more willing girls. They work a little harder for their money. Plus barfine was only 1300 pesos. Not that 1500 is bad just seems like I won all the way around other than getting a stunner who would probably give mediocre sex and then run after one pop.

Well that's all for now. Peace,

JCR

Having visited AC about 10 times in the past 2 1/2 years I feel I have a fairly well rounded overview of the place.

Hotels. One of the best hotel near or on Fields IMHO is the Pacific Breeze. I have tried several in an around Fields and at around $50US a night represents great value with ok food, a nice pool and great staff. Stay in the main wing.

Food. Food at the Breeze is passable but good western style food is available at The International Bar right next door at the Cnr of A Santos and Vian. Also there is big screen TV's with most western sports running non-stop. It is open 24 hrs with pool tables and a poker game if you so desire.

Best Bars. Well that is very subjective and can vary one hour to another and according to the taste and needs of the monger. I have always avoided the big 4 Atlantis, Dollhouse and the two behind them as they have inflated opinions as to what their girls and ladies drinks are worth. I have always found Alaska and Lancalot to be a great watering holes with many a great girl.

Perimiter Road is my personal preference with Illusions, Garfields and Gentlemans Club ranking high because of the laid back setting and friendly staff. The Clarkton offers a safe and hospitable base with good food and a great pool.

For the sleezy - A visit to the BJ bars in A Santos i.e. Gobbles for a 700P cleaning of the pipes at 6am is a good sleeping pill. Amazing skill set held by most ladies. Similar service at the bar in Matrix braun on Perimiter. A hive of 3 holers at Niffy's and a short time hotel across the road from the bar for 300P.

In daytime use the Jeepneys at 8P a trip. Watch your pockets, dont flash too much cash or jewellery and leave freelancers alone and you will have a hassle-free stay. Money changers in fields opposite Nero's give fair exchange rates, much better than at hotels etc.

AC - A mans paradise. Dont forget to leave plenty of DNA behind :-)


Rosco

[QUOTE=Blink157]thanks for the insight of agassya ( dam I even cant spell it). I dont like the atmosphere over there, the silly dancing, the music, etc, but I do sometimes like the girls..However if I going to barfine a girl she has to be pretty, otherwise i could also be with my pretty GF from AC. I am picky, I live and work in the PHils so often I just go barhop and make friends with the pretty ones, cause as you said the pretty ones have either some guys who support her aside from a local pinoy bf and dont need or dont want to barfine all the time, but sometimes they do.
I barfined a girl in Agasya longer time ago, but just for one night, cause I get bored easy if she isnt a real hottie..
When I am back I give agasya a try. I think with plenty of sm light´s I can stand the silly dances and maybe get lucky with the girl I want.

Blink[/QUOTE]
I was a good friend of the manager there who worked there a long time till she got pregnant. I do not know if she is back. Yes. I have barfined girls from there on her recommendation and have good experience. This bar kind of exclusively caters to Asian(Korean and Japanese ) . It is owned by a Korean .
Since the men like very young girls 99 % of girls there are between 18-22 range. Older girls work as waitresses. My information is from the manager there. She said most of the girls are spoiled by Asian Men who let them be runners, giving big tips , spending lavishly on them etc. Most of the girls do not like to go with western men. Quit a few cherry girls there too. They get between 80,000-100,000 pesos there for their cherry.
You will not see many western men there. Barfine is a hit and miss in any place as regards to friendliness,sex, GFE etc. But knowing the place and the mindset of the girls often play a role if you are going to have a good time or not.
The girls I barfined there stayed with me till morning and gave me two pops. Couple of girls even stayed with me for few nights although I have to pay the barfine. However being young they do not have much experience in sex and need to lubricate nicely. Once they find out you are a nice person they will be GFE. But my girls came on recommendation of the manager and also peptalk from her to make sure I am happy.
There are some very pretty girls I would really avoid because they think very high of themselves. It is always better to buy a drink to the waitress and ask lots of questions before barfine.
Be aware that most of the girls are barfined before 9 pm , so much that they bring girls from Las Vegas to dance there. Even if you see a beautifull girl there sometimes she is already barfined but she has to stay and do the show which I believe at 10 PM.

[QUOTE=Jcr153]I bought a sealed bottle of 10 for what equals $10 from a street vendor. Will try one tonight and see if it actually works. I figure at a buck a pill what the heck. If I got scammed for $10 then so be it.[/QUOTE]

I have scripts for the real stuff back in the real world and they are really expensive. So I can tell if the active ingredient is present or not.

I heard so many negative reports but I was having a chat with a local who told me the stuff works and how much to pay for them.

P200 will get you a box of 4 tablets. They have also tried to sell me a bottle, but I think that had 50 or 100 tablets. Haven't come across the 10 tablet packaging yet.

[QUOTE=Docwiltro]I would generally agree; however, if Ronalie is still there, I might consider springing for the P4K.[/QUOTE]

Heh is she working again? Admittedly its been awhile, but last I saw she was at Fire and Ice...that was years ago though. She was pulled out of the game for awhile.

Her performances, both in and out of the bars, is legendary.

She's working again

[quote=jcr153]makes me wonder why i frequent the mega places when the smaller places always seem to have the more willing girls.[/quote]i still occasionally peek into the big places and once in a while might even stay for a drink. but i don't think i've taken a girl from one in four or five years, and i honestly don't think i'm missing a thing. the whole atmosphere and attitude tends to be so much better in the smaller places, and the girls really do try harder to please.

there's a lot of silly talk about how ac is trying to make itself into a kind of asian las vegas with all these big show bars, but let's hope we'll always have the small places too.

[QUOTE=Frank4220]Matrix Brawn...went there once was sitting with one of the girls not knowing it was bj bar. I kept checking my shoe for shit as it seemed to smell, till I noticed it was the girls breath. Needless to say I left quick. Hope their short time rooms are cleaner than the bar and the girls. Lol![/QUOTE]

Got one there a few weeks back and she brushed and gargled for 5 minutes after. Hope that wasn't because of me. Then she tried to give me akiss.... Still like the place.

[QUOTE=Susu Lover]3) Go to a clinic. Pay the 800 pesos and see a doctor. While they are taking your BP, tell her that you are a wreck and high BP runs in your family.



4) Tell the doctor that you are on anti-depressants (Prozac), and BP medicine (Metoprolol and Lisinopril). Tell her since you started taking these meds you can't sustain an erection like you used to. Or you have decreased libido. Tell her you want to take some medicine home.[/QUOTE]I like your imagining the doctor to be a girl. Smart eh.

hello,

thanks @poopbunny and sammon for the little insight. i also know the mamasan over there. i buy her a drink when table a girl. i dont know you if you guys know weng. she is very tall,short hair, very sliim but when i saw her last time she put a bit on wheight. i barfined her one time, but no sex.that was confirmed with her before i took her.well, that was when i used to be a tourist. now i am there almost every weekend, cause i work in manila and ac is the fastest getaway from mm. however, as mentioned before i wont be back until october,work related. but when i am back i will have a blast, thats for sure lol.

i prefer to stay at pb or cp, cause i have the good places walking distance right infront of me, but because lgh has a new gm who i knew quite well from my la pasha times i might consider also to stay over there. maybe rent the limo to go to fields and pick up the girls hahahahah..surely that works lol.

surely i will pm you guys when i am back in town to have a beer and chit chat about the girls. anybody of you guys did weng? i heard she went to hk for work (well in hk she gets more money for bum2).
yes, they have some pretty girls over there and yes if i go barfine girls she have to be very pretty or she should have other assets i am interested in. call me suplado or not, its a buyers market and girls need us, we dont need them. however i treat them nice, but i dont buy every girl or waitress who hit me up for a ld a drink. i dont mind to tip for good service, but i dont tip when i get forced to.

i am really getting bored over here. i could fly back any time to the philippines, but it makes more sense to stay here another two months until everything is perfect. so i have plenty of more time to monger when i am back.

i always have some list of girls i like to barfine. mostly they high end. if you around and have the time (and the money) then its worth to wait.sooner or later i get them all and funny but true, sooner or later they all back. they simply miss the fun, the barlife, the glamour, barhop with friends. i see that again and again. they find one sucker who support them. they will go to the province for some time. then they get bored or they get scolded (heard that many times,cause the like their freedom, smoke, etc..which isnt alowed when they at home, they have to be the good girl) so they back in a minute cause they simply miss the action and then find another one who supports them lol..

ok, i am daydreaming again, but i know nothing will change when i am back. just more bars and more girls to get :d

blink

Trying to make some long term plans. Do the bars close on holidays? I imagine not a problem in the middle of a trip (can arrange entertainment beforehand) but do not want to arrive on a day with no action available.

Specifically, Bataan Day (April 9), Good Friday, Easter, Labor Day (early May), or Independence Day (June 12).

Reading the reports on girls running away could we get a name of the hotel that you guys are staying? I tend to stay in the better places and I don't remember the last time a girl did a runner on me. Years ago when I first came to Angeles that did happen but now they stay usually till late in the afternoon 4-5pm hopping for me to barfine them for another day. Recently I had a bad experience in Malaysia where a friend of mine booked the wrong Swiss Gardens hotel and in few days I had more girls making up excuses then what I have heard in years. Think about it, maybe spending the extra few bucks on decent accommodation is the way to go.

[QUOTE=Blink157]but I know nothing will change when I am back. Just more bars and more girls to get :D
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I guess you are right.
Will be back in September, my annual Rhamadhan-Get-Away.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Jcr153]The irony is that she later only stayed for ST. I did not negotiate for LT, my mistake, but maybe she was setting up her escape for later. .[/QUOTE]
How do you negotiate for LT when there is a fixed price for barfine? What is your bargaining tool? You gonna offer more money?

[QUOTE=Jcr153]I just realized this is my 3rd consecutive post...sorry, but thought I contribute.

Went to a bar called Alaska. Was going to the 7/11 for some provisions and the girls tried to pull me in the bar. Told them I would come back. True to my word I did which I think amazed them. Once inside I was surrounded by 4 to 5 girls all rubbing up on me and vying for my attention. I am on ok looking guy but I was getting the royal treatment. Now the disclaimer is that most of these girls are 4-6 range with maybe a 7 or 8 depending on your taste. But I have to admit compared to the other bars I tried this was by far the best reaction I've received in AC. I was at the a fore mentioned Agasya and was not impressed. Just my opinion. So as things progress I now have 3 girls rubbing my crotch and giving me a massage. So I start with the questions...boyfriend, kids, bj, LT, and start weeding out applicants. Well I had to make a tough choice because I didn't want 2 girls, well to be more accurate I didn't want to pay for 2 girls, sure I'll take 2 girls, anyway I made my choice of this sweet little thing and she was probably a six but she did not disappoint. She stayed LT, gave me 3 rounds and didn't even ask for a tip. I of course gave her 100 pesos for transport and sent her on her way around noon. She was a true GFE.

Makes me wonder why I frequent the mega places when the smaller places always seem to have the more willing girls. They work a little harder for their money. Plus barfine was only 1300 pesos. Not that 1500 is bad just seems like I won all the way around other than getting a stunner who would probably give mediocre sex and then run after one pop.

Well that's all for now. Peace,

JCR[/QUOTE]
Your barfine stayed LT and gave you 3 great rounds of sex,and since she was kind enough not to seem greedy and ask you for a tip, you give her P100($2.15) and send her on her way huh? I wonder why most mongers are complaining the Angeles city bargirls are runners and scammers? Its a 2 way street gents.

[quote=poopbunny]... i find that sometimes having a good waitress or mamasan on your side (you have to spring for an ld for them) helps. if i don't buy them an ld i make sure i tip them well (up to 100p, this makes them happy and its still cheaper than ld). they can often advise, eg. this girl will not lt etc...then you don't waste an ld on the girl that you can't take home... [/quote]


that's excellent advice! tonight i will act accordingly! :)

cheers!

hesekiels

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]That's excellent advice! Tonight I will act accordingly! :)

Cheers!

Hesekiels[/QUOTE]One mamasan did help me find two girls for a threesome.

Sometimes the mamasans can be more persuasive with the girls.

[QUOTE=Mayntain]Your barfine stayed LT and gave you 3 great rounds of sex,and since she was kind enough not to seem greedy and ask you for a tip, you give her P100($2.15) and send her on her way huh? I wonder why most mongers are complaining the Angeles city bargirls are runners and scammers? Its a 2 way street gents.[/QUOTE]I concur with Mayntain. Tell me Mayntain, what is your range of tipping? I have heard ranges from P500-P3000. I remember my first time to AC; I tipped a girl P500 for LT. Over time my tips were between P1000-P2000 depending on performance and the GFE, not to mention my return visit for the same girl if she was outstanding. I just feel that anything less than P1000 is so cheap, especially for great performance IMO, but hey I could be the cheap one at P1000. I would just like to know what fellow mongers are paying these days.

I also did tip another girl P500 but that was because she really had a bad attitude about things so what initially began as a potential LT changed quickly to an ST.

[QUOTE=Red Wine]I would just like to know what fellow mongers are paying these days.[/QUOTE]
Usually 500ps and food and drinks for her.
Cheers!

[QUOTE=Ekspat]Usually 500ps and food and drinks for her.
Cheers![/QUOTE]

fully agreed! IMHO 1000 pesos would be way too much, but let's be honest, this discussion is an endless and fruitless one! Anything goes, from zero up to 3000 pesos.

Where are the mates who will remind us now not to spoil the market? :)

Cheers!

Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]

Where are the mates who will remind us now not to spoil the market? :)

[/QUOTE]
Market is already spoiled! Can't unspoil it either.

Most of the good mongering spots in the world have been spoiled. You can thank the internet for that!

I've never accepted that the big spenders "spoil the market" or raise prices. Not sure, but I think the person quoted below was making the same point.

I do get midly irritated when a guy or two buys drinks for five / eight / or even ten gals because that spoils the moment for ME in THAT BAR at THAT MOMENT.

I think there is really a very complex dynamic involved in tipping / drinks / prices. I could probably make some points from a sociopsychological point, but I think it is best to quote one of my more articulate barfines.

"When I'm drunk, I don't care, but if he's really ugly, I don't want to wake up next to him. Yuck." (this was her reason for doing a runner).

X







[QUOTE=Hesekiels]fully agreed! IMHO 1000 pesos would be way too much, but let's be honest, this discussion is an endless and fruitless one! Anything goes, from zero up to 3000 pesos.

Where are the mates who will remind us now not to spoil the market? :)

Cheers!

Hesekiels[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ekspat]Usually 500ps and food and drinks for her.
Cheers![/QUOTE]

Same here. 500p

Sometimes a little less for average performance.

Zero if they leave early.

Greetings fellow ISG members. My first and only visit to AC was in 2006 for 2 weeks and now I am finally planning my return. Back then things seemed very simple to understand after reading this board, as the old Orchid and Central Park were considered great places to stay for price and location, barfines were 1200 for the most part, and tipping ranged from 200 to 500 for LT depending on peformance. I only had one runner in those 2 weeks and the women in almost every bar I visited made me feel like the center of attention. What I liked the most about AC was that nearly every woman I met gave me great GFE and treated me like their boyfriend. They would do anything to keep me happy during sex.

Today I decided to read some recent reports for the first time in years and I took the following:
1- All showcase giant bars on Fields have more inflated prices for drinks and BF than the smaller bars.
2- Staying in a more expensive hotel means we are more likely to get better response from the ladies, regardless of our looks or friendly behavior.
3- Most people are tipping over 500 after LT.
5- Buying LD is mandatory if you want to talk to someone. LD prices will vary for different beverages instead of a fixed price for all.
6- Quality is very low in small bars compared to the big bars.
7- There is nothing you can say that will stop ladies from running after first pop. Offering higher tip is the only form of strategy.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but do I have a realistic view of how things are right now? Is GFE and sweet attitudes still easy to find on Fields av?

Good places are all gone, have to agree with Amjeck. The internet took the work out of finding these places. Everyone from the famous and rich to the everyday regular has been to the places all over the world and with the influence of American government rules and money this will all change fast. Not to start a tread but just the way it is. Sad to see it go.

[QUOTE=Panman]

Today I decided to read some recent reports for the first time in years and I took the following:
1- All showcase giant bars on Fields have more inflated prices for drinks and BF than the smaller bars.
2- Staying in a more expensive hotel means we are more likely to get better response from the ladies, regardless of our looks or friendly behavior.
3- Most people are tipping over 500 after LT.
5- Buying LD is mandatory if you want to talk to someone. LD prices will vary for different beverages instead of a fixed price for all.
6- Quality is very low in small bars compared to the big bars.
7- There is nothing you can say that will stop ladies from running after first pop. Offering higher tip is the only form of strategy.

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Certainly not wrong, but I tend to doubt that 'the quality in small bars is lower'.

Cheers!

Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Red Wine]I concur with Mayntain. Tell me Mayntain, what is your range of tipping? I have heard ranges from P500-P3000. I remember my first time to AC; I tipped a girl P500 for LT. Over time my tips were between P1000-P2000 depending on performance and the GFE, not to mention my return visit for the same girl if she was outstanding. I just feel that anything less than P1000 is so cheap, especially for great performance IMO, but hey I could be the cheap one at P1000. I would just like to know what fellow mongers are paying these days.

I also did tip another girl P500 but that was because she really had a bad attitude about things so what initially began as a potential LT changed quickly to an ST.[/QUOTE]You are tipping the girls to get them to stay LT? Jesus man. P100 is fine, for tryke only. The girls typically work for me one pop each evening and morning, they rarely ask or expect a tip. I give them tryke money anyway. They are glad to work LT for half the p1500 barfine.

A trick to prevent the runner. While in the bar, tell her the time in the morning you expect her to stay until (8am? I use 10am). Then, after she's changed clothes, chat with the mama with the girl present, tell the mamasan everything the girl agreed to do, including the time. You might be surprised to hear this, but if she runs, the next night the mama will make her do the remaining time with you whether she likes it or not (Geckos, Body Shop). They will not, however, return any of your money. The bars are very particular about the girl completing whatever she said she would do.

If its early, say 8pm, some girls will not agree to stay until the morning. They are just being honest, they are looking for ST. But if she says 8am, and you repeat that to mama, they don't run. If you don't clarify it in advance, she's under no obligation to the bar to stay with you for more than one pop. BTW, she is under obligation to the bar to have at least a pop, even if not negotiated. First thing the mama or manager will ask on a customer complaint is if you had naughty.

Once again, OMG, you don't need to tip the girls. This is not Burgos in Manila, where the girls will work out the tip before leaving the bar. P1000? 2000? Jeez, driving up prices. Performance is usually good anyway.

[QUOTE=Red Wine]I concur with Mayntain. Tell me Mayntain, what is your range of tipping? I have heard ranges from P500-P3000. I remember my first time to AC; I tipped a girl P500 for LT. Over time my tips were between P1000-P2000 depending on performance and the GFE, not to mention my return visit for the same girl if she was outstanding. I just feel that anything less than P1000 is so cheap, especially for great performance IMO, but hey I could be the cheap one at P1000. I would just like to know what fellow mongers are paying these days.

I also did tip another girl P500 but that was because she really had a bad attitude about things so what initially began as a potential LT changed quickly to an ST.[/QUOTE]
Cant really remember the last time I barfined in A.C. I mostly go for a few days and barhop with some ex-bargirls and they are my fuck buddys now. But If I recall I never gave less then P1000 in A.C. main reason is a never had a bad session with a bargirl there except one time. This girl talk a lot of shit in the bar about what she was gonna do to me,and when we got back to the room she damn near acted like a virgin. Cant remember exact amount I tipped her,but it was under P1000. These girls suck dick,lick nasty assholes,let fat guys bounce up and down on them,get cum sprayed in their face,and then get P500($11.00) and kicked out the room. Hmmmmm I wonder WHY these girls have a bad attitude! Go figure!

[QUOTE=Mayntain]These girls suck dick,lick nasty assholes,let fat guys bounce up and down on them,get cum sprayed in their face,and then get P500($11.00) and kicked out the room. Hmmmmm I wonder WHY these girls have a bad attitude! Go figure![/QUOTE]
And they do all the same with philippino guys who pay them nothing. Who's the fool? Also, these girls used to do the same, as you mention above, just a few years ago and were all happy campers.

ps. you forgot to add in half of the barfine with the p500 tip. These chicks aren't poor!

There has been a lot of talk RECENTLY about AC turning into a ST place, girls getting tipped very very well, and girls becoming selective. What is the reason for this recent change? Only recently have people been complaining about the girls attitudes.

IMO, this change is do to an increase of sex tourists who simply spoil the girls and give them too much money. Pretty much same story in every sex destination that has already been spoiled.

[QUOTE=Strikesfun]Good places are all gone, have to agree with Amjeck. The internet took the work out of finding these places. Everyone from the famous and rich to the everyday regular has been to the places all over the world and with the influence of American government rules and money this will all change fast. Not to start a tread but just the way it is. Sad to see it go.[/QUOTE]I think you are half right here. There are places out there but you need to know the local lingo. Places like PI are going down hill because of the net and cheap airfares.

I sometimes wonder how the people complaining about "high" prices value their own workforce (and I'm not even talking about the idea of providing sexual services to a stranger they probably don't find terribly attractive). No, what do these folks think they should get for a whole night of --insert whatever you do/did for your living--? A complete day of generic office work for 10 to 20 bucks? Of course only if you showed great attitude while doing that (providing Full Employee Experience) and only then may your boss tip you if he so chooses, otherwise you don't get anything and he sends you home with money for a bus (if you are lucky).

Talking about "spoiling" places or girls disregards that it's a supply and demand driven service and who would in all honestly deny a girl to take what she can get? Anybody thinking different about his own market value in business? And despite the fact that it is obviously still a buyer's paradise people seem to consider "almost free" anytime-sex to be a human right not a paid privilege.

You guys who tip 1000 basing the amount on western value are ridiculous. You have to realize what 1000 is for the avg Filipino. Thats what the avg get in a week. So their 500 portion of a bar fine is great money. Besides sleeping in an air con room and food. Tiping from 100 to 500 is more than enough.

Panman

Getting a room in one of the fancier hotels does NOT mean you will get laid any better than in any other room. If the girl is going to give you a good fuck. The room has little to do with it.

And most people are NOT tipping over 500 pesos for LT. Thats 50% tip or better. It won't get you laid any more or less.

Personally I never tip over 350. Usually 300 and trike fare. And no one has ever complained and I get repeats all the time.

[quote=poopbunny]same here. 500p

sometimes a little less for average performance.

zero if they leave early.[/quote]
agree with this.

[QUOTE=Panman]Today I decided to read some recent reports for the first time in years and I took the following:
1- All showcase giant bars on Fields have more inflated prices for drinks and BF than the smaller bars.
2- Staying in a more expensive hotel means we are more likely to get better response from the ladies, regardless of our looks or friendly behavior.
3- Most people are tipping over 500 after LT.
5- Buying LD is mandatory if you want to talk to someone. LD prices will vary for different beverages instead of a fixed price for all.
6- Quality is very low in small bars compared to the big bars.
7- There is nothing you can say that will stop ladies from running after first pop. Offering higher tip is the only form of strategy.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but do I have a realistic view of how things are right now? Is GFE and sweet attitudes still easy to find on Fields av?[/QUOTE]
1- Yes, sort of. Dollhouse bars actually stayed at 85 peso locals after most other bars went to 95. But they had high prices for everything else. Overall I'd call this a true statement, with the occasional outlier.

2- I've never experienced this. I've had runners from PB and had to kick girls out of 950 Condotel. I suppose they're more likely to want to stay in ABC than in the Wobbly Pension House next door, but even the average AC hotels are better than the average stay-in.

5- LD is pretty much mandatory if you want them to SIT with you. But I go to small bars a lot and sit right at the stage, and will flirt with the girls onstage until I find a fun one. Then I offer the LD for her to come talk further.

6- Quality of what? Appearance? I suppose it's easier to have a dozen girls that rate 8 or higher when you have 100 dancers instead of 15. But even so, that doesn't guarantee a better time. Besides, "small bar" is too wide of a blanket term. I don't know about now, but on my last trip, small bar La Bamba had an excellent lineup. Small bar Club 68, not so much. Small bars are a blast. I only barfine out of big bars if I already know the girls.

7- Some of the girls will flat-out lie to you about their intentions. If a girl wants to leave, I just let her leave. Tell her you don't tip for ST because you can get ST on Santos. I'd rather barfine her friend from the same bar the next night and give the friend a big tip if she stays LT.

Just my 1 peso worth.

[QUOTE=X Man]I've never accepted that the big spenders "spoil the market" or raise prices. Not sure, but I think the person quoted below was making the same point.

[/QUOTE]


Oh yes, you bet your life that I was making exactly the same point!

Cheers!


Hesekiels

went to Alaska last night and it was already late, 1am or so. No more customers around, but still loads of girls in the range of 5 to 7 on stage. And then, to my biggest surprise, I had exactly this sort of fun that you can normally find in Perimeter Bars only! Barfined a nice girl for 1300 pesos and after two rounds of excellent bedroom athletics she left at 8am with a 300 peso tip. All in all a great experience at Alaska and I will certainly go there again.

Cheers!


Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Rob Woodrow]5- LD is pretty much mandatory if you want them to SIT with you. But I go to small bars a lot and sit right at the stage, and will flirt with the girls onstage until I find a fun one. Then I offer the LD for her to come talk further.[/QUOTE]Yes, and no. But the obligatory drink is something I often save until after she's agreed to barfine. You can chat a girl for a few minutes without a drink before she gets up to go back and dance. Sitting at the stage is a MUCH better idea, the girls will come to you. Wink, smile, be happy with your drink. I think there is a common misperception that that the bars like to sell, that you need to have a seat, look over the girls, call one over to have a drink and see if she'll barfine. Ya, if you don't care much about your money and buying multiple LD. You buy a girl a drink (or 3), ask if she'll barfine, to find she's on her mens, or cherry. Worse, I see the same gent sometimes call another girl over, start buying LD, only to repeat the cycle.

A few different techniques, as Rob's, sitting at the stage. Never more than a few minutes and some girls will chat you up:

Dancing girl (body shop): "Sir, why not pick a girl for tonight? "

Me: They are too pretty. I cannot afford any here [wink]

Dancing girl: maybe you can barfine me? [notice, no LD has been purchased, and its been a short conversation]

Me: mmmm I need a special girl, who can (x), (y), (z)

Dancing girl: I can do those things sir. Also my cousin right over there if you like her more. Also my friend Alvalyn there.

In addition to this sitting at the stage thing, there is another thing that I do (but won't mention here on the board). PM me and I'll tell you. Works: everytime! To get the girls to chat you up, not vice versa.

An even better method. Chat the eldest waitress or mama, buy HER the drink. Be nice and chat her a bit, find out what province she's from, where her kids are. Then tell her exactly what you like; x, y, z (in fact, tell her you want a wild one who isn't afraid of anything). Its her job to point out girls for you that do those particular things. Smaller bars the mama knows about every girl. Larger bars she will only maybe know about certain girls, but she knows them well. "That one on the end. That one also the tall one. And the one there with the short hair also. " Wow, little need to buy a bunch of drinks now. Pick one she pointed out, buy her a drink and chat her a bit and get the hell out of there. Tell mama if the girl performs well tonight and in the morning, there is a tip for MAMA tomorrow (then do it). P100 for the girl's tryke and p1-200 for mama the next night is invaluable (mama got a LD + tip, she's your friend for life).

Part of my x, y, z is camera, and 10AM. See that? 10AM (in filipines, AC and elsewhere). Rarely girls say no to cam, but sometimes they can't/won't stay in the morning. Her saying so in the bar is how to avoid her. Girl's who know you have their pic, and worse have said in front of mama she can stay till 10, will rarely run after ST. About 1/3 of my barfines are still with me at noon, 1pm. I rarely tip more than p100 to the girl, and on return trips I have some who like to show up after work at 1am for a drink, videoke, and some fun free afterhours time in my room (waking up around noon). For the gents who think they have to tip 500, 1000, 2000, whatever, its fine, but not needed. Its something they do to be charitable. But, doing that, may be overpaying (to the girl's delight), and causes pain for the rest of us later (spoilage. The girls start getting pissy with someone who does not tip her).

Maybe a little off topic, but nevertheless: careful gentlemen, there is a team of pickpockets working at Fields and I can assure you that these three biniboys do know how to do their job! Unfortunately (for them! :)) they approached me yesterday night in front of Champagne and, define irony, just when the tourist police drove past. But before telling you about the yesterday's result it might be interesting for you to know how a professional pickpocketing works.

Again, three persons at work. The first one, 'the drawer' comes close to you, touches and hugs you while offering any service. The natural reaction from a victim would be to enlarge the distance between him and the thief. If you do so, or - even worse - run away, then your wallet is lifted automatically, provided that the pickpocket was able to get two (!) fingers into your pocket. The lifted wallet is then quickly handed over to the second guy, 'the courier' who passes by. After 10 meters the wallet goes to the third guy, 'the runner', who walks now in a different direction.

So, what happened to me yesterday? 'The drawer' approached me as described, but instead of running away I shortened the distance between him and me. That makes any lift a little more tricky (but of course not impossible). Moreover it was bad for the guy that he had hands like a digger. :) So, quite easy for me to 'block the way out of the pocket' with the forearm in order to secure my items.

However, since these guys did not pay me the adequate respect, I thought it might be an idea to teach them a slight lesson. Well, while securing my wallet I got two of my smooth, well-trained fingers into his pocket and when 'the drawer' quickly run away, because he f*cked it up, all of sudden his cellphone was lifted instead. Bad luck for him to realize this loss a little later and maybe even harder for him to accept that his last victim was indeed a much better pickpocket then he himself! :) BTW, many years ago I had indeed a little 'training' from a befriended magician.

Gentlemen, to make a long story short: be alert and watch your belongings! Especially if you are drunk these three guys are not to underestimate!

Cheers!


Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]Maybe a little off topic, but nevertheless: careful gentlemen, there is a team of pickpockets working at Fields and I can assure you that these three biniboys do know how to do their job! Unfortunately (for them! :)) they approached me yesterday night in front of Champagne and, define irony, just when the tourist police drove past. But before telling you about the yesterday's result it might be interesting for you to know how a professional pickpocketing works.

Again, three persons at work. The first one, 'the drawer' comes close to you, touches and hugs you while offering any service. The natural reaction from a victim would be to enlarge the distance between him and the thief. If you do so, or - even worse - run away, then your wallet is lifted automatically, provided that the pickpocket was able to get two (!) fingers into your pocket. The lifted wallet is then quickly handed over to the second guy, 'the courier' who passes by. After 10 meters the wallet goes to the third guy, 'the runner', who walks now in a different direction.

So, what happened to me yesterday? 'The drawer' approached me as described, but instead of running away I shortened the distance between him and me. That makes any lift a little more tricky (but of course not impossible). Moreover it was bad for the guy that he had hands like a digger. :) So, quite easy for me to 'block the way out of the pocket' with the forearm in order to secure my items.

However, since these guys did not pay me the adequate respect, I thought it might be an idea to teach them a slight lesson. Well, while securing my wallet I got two of my smooth, well-trained fingers into his pocket and when 'the drawer' quickly run away, because he f*cked it up, all of sudden his cellphone was lifted instead. Bad luck for him to realize this loss a little later and maybe even harder for him to accept that his last victim was indeed a much better pickpocket then he himself! :) BTW, many years ago I had indeed a little 'training' from a befriended magician.

Gentlemen, to make a long story short: be alert and watch your belongings! Especially if you are drunk these three guys are not to underestimate!

Cheers!


Hesekiels[/QUOTE]

Good for you, hope that fucker really misses that cell phone. I hope you made a lot of calls on that thing LOL

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]Maybe a little off topic, but nevertheless: careful gentlemen, there is a team of pickpockets working at Fields and I can assure you that these three biniboys do know how to do their job!.

However, since these guys did not pay me the adequate respect, I thought it might be an idea to teach them a slight lesson.[/QUOTE]This was a great result for you and I am glad it it turned out very well.

However, there are a couple of things to remember about these street-smart people.

- At least one of them will have some sort of weapon, like a knife, so it is highly risky to confront them because it can turn nasty if you corner one of them. Usually best to just skedaddle as fast as you can, and it doesn't mean you are a wimp either;

- You must assume now that they know who you are and what you look like so maybe you should get out of Dodge asap. You have a bull's eye painted on your back, and it won't matter if you are 10 foot tall and have been to the Jackie Chan karate school. Don't be misled into thinking that they will not remember you in 6 months or 12 month either.

Just a few thoughts.

Just my 2 cents on these two issues:

The hotel can certainly make a difference to whether or not a girl will go with you. When going after the top girls, they have THEIR pick of who they will sleep with. A nicer room equates to a richer customer, and since this is all about money, it obviously makes a difference. This is why one of the first questions they will ask is "where are you staying". Therefore I always stay in the best place my budget will allow.

I give a 500P tip in the morning, less if I was not happy with the performance. The only exception is if I am getting turned down by a girl (menstration or some other excuse) and I have to offer a higher a tip up front to get the girl to go with me. However, this is not common, and would estimate that I negotiate a higher tip up front with the girl about 10% of the time.

At the end of the day, we cannot make ourselves any younger or better looking, so our hotel and tip are two of the ways to convince a girl that you are their best bet for the night. Of course, the most important thing is to get the girl to like you, so above all, try not to come across as an asshole.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt]This was a great result for you and I am glad it it turned out very well.

However, there are a couple of things to remember about these street-smart people.[/QUOTE]RK:

Thanks for your concern and advice! However, the next days I continue with business as usual and I will update you guys if something happened. I do see indeed the kind of risk you have described, but I do not overestimate it. And for sure, you bet your life, that won't spoil my vacations in AC!

All pickpockets from AC are herewith happily invited to find out who the 'softer fingers' has! I am pretty certain that I will win this competion, because learned is learned!

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Hey guys,

Sorry if this is off topic, but I'll be arriving in AC on the 20 August and I am a bit worried about the weather forecasts, all showing thunderstorms everyday!

How is the weather right now? Does it rain all day? Can I have a dip in the pool or will I be stuck in my room 24/7!

Thanks in advance

Donald

To fufill a minor fetish, what is the assessment for picking a mom-to-be? I realise that they won't be dancing...!

Thoughts? harder/easier than Manila?

Cheers, Y

[QUOTE=Yendor]To fufill a minor fetish, what is the assessment for picking a mom-to-be? I realise that they won't be dancing...!

Thoughts? harder/easier than Manila?

Cheers, Y[/QUOTE]

No disrespect or sarcasm intended.
Hmmm why not check out the malls they seem to be teaming with new moms, moms to be, sisters etcetera... you get the point a closed mouth won't get fed.
Ask the girls if they got a pregnant friend.

Let the monger gods bless you. be safe and wrap that rascal.

[QUOTE=Yendor]To fufill a minor fetish, what is the assessment for picking a mom-to-be? I realise that they won't be dancing...!

Thoughts? harder/easier than Manila?

Cheers, Y[/QUOTE]
I have not seen any pregnant dancers atleast with visible bump apart from fat.
Most Bars send them home the moment they discover they are pregnant. However I have seen some pregnant waitresses and mamasans. Will they go with you? Maybe!
I have seen many pregnant girls in LA cafe. You would have had better chance to take them there if they were open.
Just handle the poor lady with care.

If you are looking for a pregnant dancer, Mexico is your best bet.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1]Yes, and no. But the obligatory drink is something I often save until after she's agreed to barfine. You can chat a girl for a few minutes without a drink before she gets up to go back and dance. Sitting at the stage is a MUCH better idea, the girls will come to you. Wink, smile, be happy with your drink.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, there's more than one way to find a friend for the evening. I hardly ever "point and click" anymore. It's more fun to play around with the format a little. So I agree, no you don't have to buy LD's to find out if the girl will go with you. I do usually buy a drink before I ask, but not always. I might try buying fewer next trip to see what happens.

[QUOTE=Don Pimp]Hey guys,

Sorry if this is off topic, but I'll be arriving in AC on the 20 August and I am a bit worried about the weather forecasts, all showing thunderstorms everyday!

How is the weather right now? Does it rain all day? Can I have a dip in the pool or will I be stuck in my room 24/7!

Thanks in advance

Donald[/QUOTE]It rains every evening around 6 for an hour or so. Tuesday it rained heavily between 11 am and 1 pm too.

The bigger concern are the typhoons.

Typhoon Domeng is hovering off the eastern seaboard right now and Typhoon Ester is forming behind it and expected to come in next week sometime.

By the 20th there could be a 5th one on the way.

You can still swim in the pool even if it is pissing down. The temperature is still well above 20 degrees C even if it is raining.

[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s]At the end of the day, we cannot make ourselves any younger or better looking[/QUOTE]Well I do find that I seem to be much younger and more handsome in the low season!

[QUOTE=Betong]Well I do find that I seem to be much younger and more handsome in the low season![/QUOTE]When is the low season again? I'll be visiting during that time.

[QUOTE=Jcr153]Many opinions here...most of them negative.

Never tried the V, the C although fake, worked just as well as the real stuff. So the active ingredient is present.

Try one first before buying a lot. If it works well, go back to the same guy.

Don't pay more than P200 a box.

I bought a sealed bottle of 10 for what equals $10 from a street vendor. Will try one tonight and see if it actually works. I figure at a buck a pill what the heck. If I got scammed for $10 then so be it.[/QUOTE]I always get 100p a box, sometime i can get 80p if buy many.

You are paying way too much.

[QUOTE=AsianLover2]Many blame the ASIAN influence. I have many lady friends that still laugh about the 234 or (222, 233 ???) Asian men. 2 minutes, 3 inches and 4000P tip! Can not really blame the girls. Just a shame though.

Whatever the reason, YOU MUST ASK THE GIRL IF SHE WILL STAY ALL NIGHT! I specifically ask for all night and to have breakfast. You can have the MAMASAN explain the deal to the girl(s) as well.

If they agreed to stay and then decide to leave early....NO TIP![/QUOTE]I heard too many about the 333 and I believe it is somehow not so true, but I do agree the 3 inch size. 3min can happen to anyone, seldom heard the girls get 3000p tips even from japanese and korean.

You better print out a form, let the girl fill up the form before you pay the bar fine. Let her tick the box and answer some simple question. Anal, BBBJ, how many pops, What time leave, 3or4some friendly, vibrator friendly, tips expected etc.

[QUOTE=Yendor]To fufill a minor fetish, what is the assessment for picking a mom-to-be? I realise that they won't be dancing...!

Thoughts? harder/easier than Manila?

Cheers, Y[/QUOTE]
Yendor

If you are AC and like to shag a preggy (5 months) I may know someone, she is in Pampagna, ex cam girl, really feeling horny...PM if you need details.

Saw her last week when in Manila but I dont shag preggies...am kinky but that is not my kink :D

23 years old, nice girl, nice BBBJ etc

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]Yendor

If you are AC and like to shag a preggy (5 months) I may know someone, she is in Pampagna, ex cam girl, really feeling horny...PM if you need details.

Saw her last week when in Manila but I dont shag preggies...am kinky but that is not my kink :D

23 years old, nice girl, nice BBBJ etc[/QUOTE]

WR
Is there no end to your stable of willing and wanton women (nice alliteration there)

I am wanton but I am not gettin LOL.

Everybody on ISG will soon be pming you for whatever sort of kink they have. I know you will be able to please them.

Stay well mate and hope to see you again next month.

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]Maybe a little off topic, but nevertheless: careful gentlemen, there is a team of pickpockets working at Fields and I can assure you that these three biniboys do know how to do their job! Unfortunately (for them! :)) they approached me yesterday night in front of Champagne and, define irony, just when the tourist police drove past. But before telling you about the yesterday's result it might be interesting for you to know how a professional pickpocketing works.

Again, three persons at work. The first one, 'the drawer' comes close to you, touches and hugs you while offering any service. The natural reaction from a victim would be to enlarge the distance between him and the thief. If you do so, or - even worse - run away, then your wallet is lifted automatically, provided that the pickpocket was able to get two (!) fingers into your pocket. The lifted wallet is then quickly handed over to the second guy, 'the courier' who passes by. After 10 meters the wallet goes to the third guy, 'the runner', who walks now in a different direction.

So, what happened to me yesterday? 'The drawer' approached me as described, but instead of running away I shortened the distance between him and me. That makes any lift a little more tricky (but of course not impossible). Moreover it was bad for the guy that he had hands like a digger. :) So, quite easy for me to 'block the way out of the pocket' with the forearm in order to secure my items.

However, since these guys did not pay me the adequate respect, I thought it might be an idea to teach them a slight lesson. Well, while securing my wallet I got two of my smooth, well-trained fingers into his pocket and when 'the drawer' quickly run away, because he f*cked it up, all of sudden his cellphone was lifted instead. Bad luck for him to realize this loss a little later and maybe even harder for him to accept that his last victim was indeed a much better pickpocket then he himself! :) BTW, many years ago I had indeed a little 'training' from a befriended magician.

Gentlemen, to make a long story short: be alert and watch your belongings! Especially if you are drunk these three guys are not to underestimate!

Cheers!

Hesekiels[/QUOTE]They hit a friend of mine on the same day.

Similar story, but he got his wallet back before the pass off.

[QUOTE=Hesekiels] I thought it might be an idea to teach them a slight lesson. Well, while securing my wallet I got two of my smooth, well-trained fingers into his pocket and when 'the drawer' quickly run away, because he f*cked it up, all of sudden his cellphone was lifted instead. Bad luck for him

Cheers!


Hesekiels[/QUOTE]

Did you pawn the cell phone? LOL :) :) :)

[QUOTE=AsianLover2]Whatever the reason, YOU MUST ASK THE GIRL IF SHE WILL STAY ALL NIGHT! I specifically ask for all night and to have breakfast. You can have the MAMASAN explain the deal to the girl(s) as well.

If they agreed to stay and then decide to leave early....NO TIP![/QUOTE]
I like this advice, although I rarely bother to include the mamasan because that makes things more impersonal than they already are.

I also usually don't buy the girls breakfast, because it makes it tougher to pick up the waitresses.

Little off-topic, but could you guys advise if there's a decent bowling alley in AC? Also, which would be the cinema of choice?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Malibu21]I heard too many about the 333 and I believe it is somehow not so true, but I do agree the 3 inch size. 3min can happen to anyone, seldom heard the girls get 3000p tips even from japanese and korean.

You better print out a form, let the girl fill up the form before you pay the bar fine. Let her tick the box and answer some simple question. Anal, BBBJ, how many pops, What time leave, 3or4some friendly, vibrator friendly, tips expected etc.[/QUOTE]Or memorise the contents of the Youtube video - ten questions to ask an angeles girl

I can post the link - if there is a need

[QUOTE=Lala Bay]Little off-topic, but could you guys advise if there's a decent bowling alley in AC? Also, which would be the cinema of choice?

Thanks![/QUOTE]I can't help you with the bowling alley, but the SM Mall has a bunch of cinemas with fairly current films. I saw 'The Hangover' there with my bar fine, and also 'GI Joe'. Very comfortable, air conditioned, and pretty cheap. I'm sure that there are others but SM Mall is so close to the tourist area that it would likely be your best bet. If your alone, you can also check out the ladies in the Mall.

Have a blast when you go.

Gonzo

Has anyone here BF a girl, got great GFE service, went back to the same bar and BF a different girl when your BF from the previous night was present?

I have not yet crossed that line but want to hear experiences from other guys who have done that.

I have BF different girls from the same bar but not in the same trip.

[quote=poopbunny]

has anyone here bf a girl, got great gfe service, went back to the same bar and bf a different girl when your bf from the previous night was present?

[/quote]

it's been a while but i tried to work my way through a small bar on perimeter road. bf'ed about 6 or 7 out of the 10 girls working there with no problem. i spent a lot of time there and contributed to the christmas party and bought all of them ice cream a couple of times. it got to be a joke when i walked in they would all ask whose turn it was that night. had a favorite i bf'ed a couple of times. syt who was naturally bare down there. loved it when i daty.

keep it light and should not have a problem. just let the first girl know before hand so she can save face i.e. give you permission.

slim

[QUOTE=Malibu21]I heard too many about the 333 and I believe it is somehow not so true, but I do agree the 3 inch size. 3min can happen to anyone, seldom heard the girls get 3000p tips even from japanese and korean.

[/QUOTE]
There's always some truth in rumors.

Japanese are always the preferred customers in asia, but mainly because they out spend all others.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]There's always some truth in rumors.

Japanese are always the preferred customers in asia, but mainly because they out spend all others.[/QUOTE]I used to date a waitress at BodyShop. She told me the places frequented by korean and japanese, the girls get huge tips, 2-4000, sometimes with no sex involved. She said japanese men like to buy lots of LD and chat different girls before taking one, or even not taking a girl. That was a year ago.

[quote=poopbunny]has anyone here bf a girl, got great gfe service, went back to the same bar and bf a different girl when your bf from the previous night was present?

i have not yet crossed that line but want to hear experiences from other guys who have done that.

i have bf different girls from the same bar but not in the same trip.[/quote]i barfined diffrent girls a couple of times in the same bar while the previous bf was present. how did my previous bf behave? most of them got mad at me or at least they behaved that way. in one occasion, my previous bf and my about-to-get bf started fighting on the spot! i hope they got back to friends by now!

i never intend to bf different girls in the same bar. i rather want to avoid doing so. however, i tend to find a couple attractive girls in one partivular bar but none in the other bar. it's an ethical dilemma situation.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1]I used to date a waitress at BodyShop. She told me the places frequented by korean and japanese, the girls get huge tips, 2-4000, sometimes with no sex involved. She said japanese men like to buy lots of LD and chat different girls before taking one, or even not taking a girl. That was a year ago.[/QUOTE]


Still true today as this was still going on during my last trip there. But also they travel in groups rather than as singles like ourselves so the tips and LDs are often for one lady but several guys are buying them. So by the nites end tips and drinks add up. Yes. they do make us regular blokes look cheap.

[quote=poopbunny]has anyone here bf a girl, got great gfe service, went back to the same bar and bf a different girl when your bf from the previous night was present?

i have not yet crossed that line but want to hear experiences from other guys who have done that.

i have bf different girls from the same bar but not in the same trip.[/quote]


yes. happen several times for me and sometimes it was a problem as others may act different towards me if i picked one from before and she really liked me. other times no problems so depends on who you pick up at the same bar as the ladies could be close friends.

[QUOTE=Kycuriosity]When is the low season again? I'll be visiting during that time.[/QUOTE]


Low season is generally before December as Dec =March is peak season in PI

[QUOTE=Lala Bay]Little off-topic, but could you guys advise if there's a decent bowling alley in AC? Also, which would be the cinema of choice?

Thanks![/QUOTE]In manila. Mall of asia. 32 lanes 140php per line 30 php for shoes.

Was seriously considering opening that type establishment myself. Don't want any local "partners" and if I invested the 3 million USD. I would have to have local & unwanted "partners". Know what I mean?

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[QUOTE=Carmex]Did you pawn the cell phone? LOL :) :) :)[/QUOTE]


Nope, but a cute waitress from Insomnia was so happy to have such a 'nice cellphone' now! By the way, the next day I saw these jerks again, but nothing had happend! Politely we ignored each other! :)

Cheers!


Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Chute]...
I never intend to BF different girls in the same bar. ...[/QUOTE]

Why not? I do that quite regularly and never faced any problems! If one girl is really pissed off, then so be it! Not my issue! This kind of competition is their problem, not ours, or am I wrong?

Cheers!

Hesekiels

[QUOTE=Westcoast1]I used to date a waitress at BodyShop. She told me the places frequented by korean and japanese, the girls get huge tips, 2-4000, sometimes with no sex involved. She said japanese men like to buy lots of LD and chat different girls before taking one, or even not taking a girl. That was a year ago.[/QUOTE]

Yep. True. I was at Agasya and wanted to BF a girl badly on my last night. I think it was Camille. But some Koreans beat me to buying her an LD. I just about lost all hope, but the waitress said to me be patient and just wait, they are just there to get her company not to BF her, ordered food for the table, bought lots of LD etc..

Then they left. And I got to BF her.

[QUOTE=Hesekiels].............. By the way, the next day I saw these jerks again, but nothing had happend! Politely we ignored each other! :)
Cheers!
Hesekiels[/QUOTE]

I am glad to hear that mate but whatever you do, don't drop your guard.
They might not be very bright but they have extraordinary memories and much more patience than us westerners.

my advice would be to give gal 1 a heads up, buy a drink, apologize, do what you have to do. friction occurs when suddenly gal 1 finds out from her friends that you (her customer) has been fkn around ==== she loses face, etc.

in cebu, i recently did two sisters on consecutive nights from different bars (long story). i asked for permission, got it, and actually had the first sis on a later date. fairly good gfe, and i've also met two cousins, one at the bar and one at a disco just by chance after sis 1's first barfine.

unfortunately, the two sis as a team seem to be out of the question, since wr and i both tried. i'm pretty sure sis 1 is up to finding some cousins or friends for something freaky. but i've digressed all the way to cebu. x

[quote=poopbunny]has anyone here bf a girl, got great gfe service, went back to the same bar and bf a different girl when your bf from the previous night was present?

i have not yet crossed that line but want to hear experiences from other guys who have done that.

i have bf different girls from the same bar but not in the same trip.[/quote]

[quote=poopbunny]yep. true. i was at agasya and wanted to bf a girl badly on my last night. i think it was camille. but some koreans beat me to buying her an ld. i just about lost all hope, but the waitress said to me be patient and just wait, they are just there to get her company not to bf her, ordered food for the table, bought lots of ld etc..

then they left. and i got to bf her.[/quote]yes, thanks pb, i could not remember the name of the place next to body shop. my gf from body shop said the japanese men come in groups, sit in the bar for hours, have several girls sit with them, buy ladies drinks for an hour or two, shoot the crap, watch the dancing, and then would leave, taking no girls. another barfine girl of mine said she was traveling a korean guy (mulitple night barfine) and his buddies, they would go from bar to bar like this, chatting up a bunch of girls and buying ld, at the end of the night they would call it quits, and only some of them would barfine a girl. i asked her if she got barfined to be his 'eye-candy'; she said yes, that in 3 nights of barfine they had sex one time, quickly, he didnt seem interested in her for sex.

in a similar note, on adriatico in malate are several of these ktv places. i went in one night, sat, had to pay a hefty amount for a beer, and was immediately offered a girl to sit with me for half an hour for p1000. forgive me, i did it. its the only time. i wanted to experience this thing, paying for a girl to sit with you. for about the same price back then, i could have walked to lac and grabbed a girl st. i chose a girl. we sat and talked a bit. there was a group of about 5-6 japanese men sitting at another set of tables (several tables pulled together), with as many girls. they too were paying for the girls to sit and chat. it was 1am. i asked the girl if that was common, to pay for chat only. she said yes, its how their business was run. the girl was pretty, sweet, and intelligent. during our chat the japanese men finished their drinks and left. the girl said the oriental men often drop, as a group 30,000 pesos in a night for a few hours drinking. they tip large she said.

[quote=poopbunny]has anyone here bf a girl, got great gfe service, went back to the same bar and bf a different girl when your bf from the previous night was present?

i have not yet crossed that line but want to hear experiences from other guys who have done that.

i have bf different girls from the same bar but not in the same trip.[/quote]
yep.
did that...i dont wanto to be boastful but i am a kind of man***** when i am in the phiils lol..

i did that way back when i was barfine at "the club"..i took every night some other girl out...who cares.. lol

i had a steady girl in atlantis..siince 2 years i think i report here about her....one day she did introduce me to her co workers..since that day i liked her coworker..

no hard feelings. except sometimes she pull some beer over me, well.....pinays love butterflys..you have to be a man***** :d


blink

[QUOTE=Westcoast1]Yes, thanks PB, I could not remember the name of the place next to Body Shop. My gf from Body Shop said the japanese men come in groups, sit in the bar for hours, have several girls sit with them, buy ladies drinks for an hour or two, shoot the crap, watch the dancing, and then would leave, taking no girls. Another barfine girl of mine said she was traveling a korean guy (mulitple night barfine) and his buddies, they would go from bar to bar like this, chatting up a bunch of girls and buying LD, at the end of the night they would call it quits, and only some of them would barfine a girl. I asked her if she got barfined to be his 'eye-candy'; she said yes, that in 3 nights of barfine they had sex one time, quickly, he didnt seem interested in her for sex.

In a similar note, on Adriatico in Malate are several of these KTV places. I went in one night, sat, had to pay a hefty amount for a beer, and was immediately offered a girl to sit with me for half an hour for p1000. Forgive me, I did it. Its the only time. I wanted to experience this thing, paying for a girl to sit with you. For about the same price back then, I could have walked to LAC and grabbed a girl ST. I chose a girl. We sat and talked a bit. There was a group of about 5-6 japanese men sitting at another set of tables (several tables pulled together), with as many girls. They too were paying for the girls to sit and chat. It was 1am. I asked the girl if that was common, to pay for chat only. She said yes, its how their business was run. The girl was pretty, sweet, and intelligent. During our chat the japanese men finished their drinks and left. The girl said the oriental men often drop, as a group 30,000 pesos in a night for a few hours drinking. They tip large she said.[/QUOTE]


hi,
the thing is, specially if you get older..does it make fun to pay a lot if yoiu can get it cheaper of if you can get if for free..or lets say make her to your GF?
I am maybe the romantic guy. somebody called me I am the devil LOL.
anyway I had a GF from Qcity who worked in various clubs along queton blvd
dot think if you have a smart chatter that the girl is snart too....maybe street smart
pinays are dumb. trust me....only a few who travelled to other countries and experienced a good educattion are very smart...trust me i work with 300 pinoy idiots...4 are smart

Anyway its normal that those girls earn on drinks and on a fee paid to them.
I suggest you give Miss Universal a try (Pasay) and let me know if the girls are mot hot there or at your place


Blink

[QUOTE=Sharka]Yes. happen several times for me and sometimes it was a problem as others may act different towards me if I picked one from before and she really liked me. Other times no problems so depends on who you pick up at the same bar as the ladies could be close friends.[/QUOTE]

IN some cases they may really like you or be in dreamland that your only interested in her. The reality for most is that your the "payday" and it all comes down to pesos.
They can get real pissy and childish and I have even heard of them giving each other a good old fashion shit kicking. They are pretty competitive, especially the higher earners.
Why bother with the drama, there are just too many bars and I never see a reason to stir up shit with them. Be discrete or at least put some time between barfines at the same establishment.

[QUOTE=Blink157]Hi,

The thing is, specially if you get older. Does it make fun to pay a lot if yoiu can get it cheaper of if you can get if for free. Or lets say make her to your GF?

I am maybe the romantic guy. Somebody called me I am the devil LOL.

Anyway I had a GF from Qcity who worked in various clubs along queton blvd

Dot think if you have a smart chatter that the girl is snart too. Maybe street smart

Pinays are dumb. Trust me. Only a few who travelled to other countries and experienced a good educattion are very smart. [b]trust me I work with 300 pinoy idiots. 4 are smart[/b]

Anyway its normal that those girls earn on drinks and on a fee paid to them.

I suggest you give Miss Universal a try (Pasay) and let me know if the girls are mot hot there or at your place

Blink[/QUOTE]Hmmm, I can't really pinpoint it but something about this post causes my sensors for irony to tingle just a tiny bit. LOL

[quote=poopbunny]has anyone here bf a girl, got great gfe service, went back to the same bar and bf a different girl when your bf from the previous night was present?

i have not yet crossed that line but want to hear experiences from other guys who have done that.

i have bf different girls from the same bar but not in the same trip.[/quote]yes, it can be a mistake. have gone into the same bar twice, taking a different girl each time. have gotten the cold shoulder the second night from the first girl (crossed arms, the glare) and her friends for buying a different gal a drink. maybe i should have taken a night off between. or maybe screw the first girl, this is the business.

on the other hand, no. i can't tell you how many bargirls have attempted to act as a pimp in acquiring another girl for me (either in addition to herself, or away from herself, outside of the bar). maybe the barfine gal does not like doing something in my list of goodies. "you want my friend tomorrow? she not in a bar she live with me. she can come here on the afternoon. p500?" hence, no jealousy.

I now recall one occasion where I BF a different girl on the same trip in the same bar (Crystal Palace). The first girl though GFE (was a pro and a real stunner that had no problems getting BF). But when I decided to go back for a different girl I had been wanting (who was a little more introverted). I hung out on Level 2 where I was less visible to the first girl (usually based on Level 1). And when I did BF the 2nd girl, we left via Dollhouse Level 2, then main Dollhouse exit.

At a smaller bar than would be more challenging.


[QUOTE=Frank4220]IN some cases they may really like you or be in dreamland that your only interested in her. The reality for most is that your the "payday" and it all comes down to pesos.
They can get real pissy and childish and I have even heard of them giving each other a good old fashion shit kicking. They are pretty competitive, especially the higher earners.
Why bother with the drama, there are just too many bars and I never see a reason to stir up shit with them. Be discrete or at least put some time between barfines at the same establishment.[/QUOTE]

[quote=poopbunny]i now recall one occasion where i bf a different girl on the same trip in the same bar (crystal palace). the first girl though gfe (was a pro and a real stunner that had no problems getting bf). but when i decided to go back for a different girl i had been wanting (who was a little more introverted). i hung out on level 2 where i was less visible to the first girl (usually based on level 1). and when i did bf the 2nd girl, we left via dollhouse level 2, then main dollhouse exit.

at a smaller bar than would be more challenging.[/quote]i have bf from the same bar before and eventually overcame the fact that the girls may talk stink about me but it's okay because they don't say it to my face; it' bad business. the girls know why we are in angeles and now that's what i disclose all the time, "i am a butterfly." as long as you tip well, treat them good, and don't get caught in a lie, the girls seem to be okay.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Market is already spoiled! Can't unspoil it either.

Most of the good mongering spots in the world have been spoiled. You can thank the internet for that![/QUOTE]Wow mates. I guess that would explain one of the reasons why the pinays love the Korean and Japanese guys so much; they are the ones tipping the most. I'll be a little more mindful on not to add to the spoiled market. My average tip would range from 1000 to 1500P; this would be after a night of bar hopping, drinks, and food.

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]Why not? I do that quite regularly and never faced any problems! If one girl is really pissed off, then so be it! Not my issue! This kind of competition is their problem, not ours, or am I wrong?

Cheers!

Hesekiels[/QUOTE]True, I BF many girls from the same bar. Im friendly & quite open about why Im there. On entering a bar & asked what would I like I smile & say "I want cold beer & hot pussy".

They almost always laugh, relax & say "At least you're honest".

I don't 'fall in love' with my bar fine or bullshit them that way, Im not stingy if they give me a good time. I usually have terrific sex, probably partly because the word gets around amongst them that Im straight up & not bad in the sack either.

When I go back I am welcomed by the mamasan & the girls.

Yes some a girl's will get ideas about trying to snag me as a boyfriend.

AV

[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s]They hit a friend of mine on the same day.

Similar story, but he got his wallet back before the pass off.[/QUOTE]



Never bring your wallet when mongering. Just bring your cash and place in the front pocket only.

[QUOTE=Red Wine]Makati has hot girls on Burgos. Girls there are about P2000 for a barfine. Tip would be about P3000-P4000. The tip should be discussed before paying the barfine. You can sometimes negotiate the tip. At AC on Field's Avenue at night, a girl can range from P1300-P3000. The more expensive girls are usually showgirls and you can find them at DollHouse, Atlantis, Chrystal Palace, Forbidden City, etc. Tip is up to you. I have heard of guys tipping anywhere from P500-P3000. As for Borocay, I am still in process of visiting that beautiful area. All I heard about that place is that it would be best if you already have a girl to take rather than finding one there. Hope this helps mate and if anyone else has suggestions regarding Borocay, I would also gladly appreciate it as well.

Thank you in advance.[/QUOTE]

I guess I should chime in.


I think you all are tipping a little too much. Think about it, you feed them in the morning and you pay for their trike. Why tip them more than P500 or P600? They still want to come back. I have had no problem tipping them P500 with no breakfast and no trike fare. They are calling me the next evening to BF. Remember you have the upper hand. I know they want to give you a guilt trip about their kids and family back home. Can you imagine how many guys they tell that story too?? I promise, P500 is enough. And, if they do a fantastic job, maybe P600 with breakfast and trike.

My 2 cents

Unda

hey guys,

I am slightly surprised on the amounts being reported here in the tipping dept.

Many of you probably have way more exeperience than I have of the area, but I still have done my share of BFs in AC and Subic. My buddies who have much more experience of that scene told me when I first went there that 300-500 would be a good enough tip. Then when reading reports here about year ago, I could see there was a rather large range so I figured I might get it out of the girls what is expected, what is a low and high tip.

Of course they would not say at first. Would repeat "up to you", "nothing, just what you like" etc. After putting into place some tricky interrogation tactics, I basically found out this:

Tip from 0-300 is regarded as rather low for LT where the girl thinks she provided good services and stayed until morning or longer.
There was a general consensus that 300 was an ok tip and they would not b*tch about it to the other girls. They considered 300 kind of normal
500 was by all considered a good tip
None would expect to get a tip for ST

The sample was something like 6 or 7 girls from different establishements in AC and Barrio (Subic). I was not asking them at the time of the tip, but rather doing an online chat or chat in other surroundings than at the bar so the answers were not directly linked to a time of payment.

So, I usually tip 300-500 for good service. Have never tipped more than 500 and never for short time. Yeah, I know, some might say "you cheap bastards, this money is nothing for you", but I subscribe to the theory not to flaunt money more than I necessarily have to in any place of the world.

Anyways, just my 2 cents here, does not upset me if someone is IMO "overtipping", but I think it is good to know what is considered the norm (well, might have to be more than 6-7 girls sample to represent the norm, but they were all on the same line with almost no deviation on the amounts).

The data is however almost 1 year old so things might have changed although I have stuck to the above amounts. Would be interested if anyone else here has similar data, i.e. what the girls consider low, normal and high

[QUOTE=Henio]hey guys,

I am slightly surprised on the amounts being reported here in the tipping dept.

Many of you probably have way more exeperience than I have of the area, but I still have done my share of BFs in AC and Subic. My buddies who have much more experience of that scene told me when I first went there that 300-500 would be a good enough tip. Then when reading reports here about year ago, I could see there was a rather large range so I figured I might get it out of the girls what is expected, what is a low and high tip.

Of course they would not say at first. Would repeat "up to you", "nothing, just what you like" etc. After putting into place some tricky interrogation tactics, I basically found out this:

Tip from 0-300 is regarded as rather low for LT where the girl thinks she provided good services and stayed until morning or longer.
There was a general consensus that 300 was an ok tip and they would not b*tch about it to the other girls. They considered 300 kind of normal
500 was by all considered a good tip
None would expect to get a tip for ST

The sample was something like 6 or 7 girls from different establishements in AC and Barrio (Subic). I was not asking them at the time of the tip, but rather doing an online chat or chat in other surroundings than at the bar so the answers were not directly linked to a time of payment.

So, I usually tip 300-500 for good service. Have never tipped more than 500 and never for short time. Yeah, I know, some might say "you cheap bastards, this money is nothing for you", but I subscribe to the theory not to flaunt money more than I necessarily have to in any place of the world.

Anyways, just my 2 cents here, does not upset me if someone is IMO "overtipping", but I think it is good to know what is considered the norm (well, might have to be more than 6-7 girls sample to represent the norm, but they were all on the same line with almost no deviation on the amounts).

The data is however almost 1 year old so things might have changed although I have stuck to the above amounts. Would be interested if anyone else here has similar data, i.e. what the girls consider low, normal and high[/QUOTE]


Thanks for reconfirming. I am freaking out on how much they are tipping.

[QUOTE=Henio]So, I usually tip 300-500 for good service. Have never tipped more than 500 and never for short time. Yeah, I know, some might say "you cheap bastards, this money is nothing for you", but I subscribe to the theory not to flaunt money more than I necessarily have to in any place of the world.

The data is however almost 1 year old so things might have changed although I have stuck to the above amounts. Would be interested if anyone else here has similar data, i.e. what the girls consider low, normal and high[/QUOTE]

I am exactly the same. No tip ST. LT-300 peso bad to OK service. 500 for GREAT service, i.e. Carmex really happy, or I think the girl worked very hard to please regardless of the outcome.

Only had one girl ever complain about 300 peso LT but that girl complained about everything from the moment she left the bar.

Have received much confirmation that 500 is a really good tip for LT.

My data is also 1 yr old, but I cannot believe times have changed that much. Some guys don't tip at all.

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]Thanks for reconfirming. I am freaking out on how much they are tipping.[/QUOTE]Same.

Feel free to reference this Jakarta post (mine), on what the men there are paying and tipping freelancers. Some gents there have gotten into the habit of tipping more than the girls are asking for a Short Time. No kidding, some of the gents I met there (and who have posted so on the JKT thread) are getting into the habit there of paying twice the going rate for girls (600k when the girls are happy to work for 300k - as posted by other gents and myself), THEN they are tipping another 300. Nice guys? You bet. Spoiling the market? You bet.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1039688&postcount=4575[/url]

The AC gents will tip whatever they tip. However, AC bargirls are happy to have the work even when they don't get tipped anything (and they don't complain). Do most of us give them at least some tryke money home? Sure. Some give more. But if you are giving her p500, you are nearly doubling her salary (she gets p700 of the 1400 barfine). If you are giving her p1000, 1500, or 2000 (see recent posts, this thread), you are tipping more than her daily pay, or 2x, or 3x.

It isn't a matter of being cheap charlie. If you read the Jakarta item from above, you will see that I said there it makes little difference to me how much I give the girl. $30 for LT? $50? Who cares? I'm only in AC a few nights, maybe a week. The extra money means little to me. Therefore cheap charlie goes out the window. Its a matter of creating an expectation on the part of the girls. Proof? From Henio's recent post:

"Tip from 0-300 is regarded as rather low for LT where the girl thinks she provided good services and stayed until morning or longer."

Where the hell did THAT come from in AC? Its recent, as one year ago I had two bargirls mention a tip in the morning, before I had the chance to drop it on them. I was a bit surprised at that.

A different perspective. A waitress in a restraunt makes $75/day. When I'm having a $10 breakfast, I drop $2 on the table (certainly a 20% tip is not cheap charlie). Another gent (who loves to tip) drops $100, or $200 on the table (more than her salary, similar to the AC bargirl). Will she LOVE that big tip? Sure. Has she done anything to earn it? Probably not. Her level of service next time she runs into me? She will not be nearly as eager to give a high level of service, which she should to every customer.

How important is the tip to the girl? It can't be as important as being nice to them (polite), and having a good time (out for a drink or bite to eat before heading off to the hotel, or breakfast in the morning). No kidding, those things count for more than the tip. Don't believe it? 3 in 10 of my new AC barfines will still be with me at lunch the next day -- that's after breakfast and the p100 tip, they stay into the afternoon. I have several previous former barfine girls (dancers and waitresses) that are happy to come find me after their shift ends, head out for some food, back to my place for the night, and spend the next day, repeating again at 1am when the shift ends. They never ask for money; I often drop p500 in her purse when they do that. Sometimes I barfine one of them; it makes her day.

Seeing it better now? She's willing to bang evening, morning, and hang the next day; all for meals and 500 pesos. THEN she will do it again. If she's a new barfine, she's willing to do all that for p700 (half the barfine). Some of you are tipping more than her total expectation. When you tip large like that, it pleases the girl, makes you appear generous (you are), and creates an expectation on the girls part for other guys (reference Henio).

[QUOTE=Henio]
Tip from 0-300 is regarded as rather low for LT where the girl thinks she provided good services and stayed until morning or longer.
There was a general consensus that 300 was an ok tip and they would not b*tch about it to the other girls. 500 was by all considered a good tip None would expect to get a tip for ST [/QUOTE]
I agree with the parameters on tipping set forth in the previous posts. And I certainly don't want to confuse anybody not familiar with the P4P scene in PI, but the pricing and tipping norms in AC are completely different than the pricing structure in MNL where much higher "tips" are expected.

If you head down to Manila (Burgos to be exact) expect to pay a lot more. The barfines are in the 1500p - 2000p range and the girls will expect 2500p - 3000p ST and 4000p and up for LT quality service. It's a different world. I think the word tip is misleading in MNL. Think of it as the service charge. Drinks are a lot more expensive too.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]If you head down to Manila (Burgos to be exact) expect to pay a lot more. The barfines are in the 1500p - 2000p range and the girls will expect 2500p - 3000p ST and 4000p and up for LT quality service. It's a different world. I think the word tip is misleading in MNL. Think of it as the service charge. Drinks are a lot more expensive too.[/QUOTE]Yes Nat. For LT:

+ Burgos barfine 2000+2500tip+drink is maybe p5000 (I understand EDSA similar).

+ AC barfine+tip+drink p1500-2000.

+ Cebu barfine recently was p1700+tip for p1800-2000. I asked a mama if a tip was necessary; she said its up to the customer but not necessary.

+ Freelancers in Manila p1500+100tip was p1600. One recently offered friends for future sessions, then offered a 3-some, and brought another girl the next evening for a wild marathon session. Agreed in advance was LT for both girls to include breakfast, p2000 total. They came back multiple nights.

+ Freelancers in Cebu were recently happy at p1000+100tip for p1100. Two of these not only asked for a repeat, but also offered up their friend/cousin for service.

What do you gents give chat-mates? I slip them p500 for an afternoon session, p1000 if they spend the night. Or, if we are in the mall after breakfast and I have not given them anything yet, I buy them some stuff. My chat-mates almost always want another chance, or don't want to leave at all. On occasion I have one refuse the money, asking only taxi money.

Just to clarify a few of the details regarding pricing on Burgos in Makati...

-Barfines on Burgos are calculated using the following formula:
1 BF (barfine) = 10 LDs (lady's drinks).

-There was a time (many a moon ago!) when the number of lady's drinks consumed in the bar was knocked off the BF tab. So, for example, if the lady's drinks cost 200P, and you buy your companion 3 LD's in the bar, then decide to BF her, the BF will be 2000P-600P = 1400P.
Alas, this sensible, customer-friendly system went the way of the 25 cent cup of coffee some years ago.

-Late at night (or rather early in the morning!), when a bar is fairly quiet and business is slow, the mamasan does have some leeway to 'discount' the BF by a few hundred pesos. It never hurts to ask.

-The cheapest barfines of the bars on Burgos are in Rogues (1600P during happy hour until 10pm), and in Blush pub (upstairs), which is roughly the same as Rogues. Given the above explanation, the LDs in these bars are 160P (Happy Hour in Rogues, or 250 after 10pm)

-The next tier of BFs include bars such as Flamingo, Stardust, Hollywood, Pussycats, and a couple of others. Their BFs range from 2200P to 2950P. Once again, you can calculate the LDs as 220P to 295P.

-Almost all of the other main bars on Burgos charge 350P or 390P for LDs, which means their BFs are 3500P or 3900P.

-When you buy a gal a LD, she will get from 50P to 100P commission, depending on the cost of the LD. For most gals, this is the main part of their salary. A strategy I often employ is to buy a gal one LD, and then, when she has finished the drink and the waitress comes to ask if I want to buy my gal another LD, I decline. However, at that point, (providing I want her to keep chatting with me), I tell my gal not to worry, that I will leave her a tip instead. This works out cheaper for me and better for her. When I leave I will leave the gal anywhere from 100P to 500P depending on how long she was with me in the bar and how, er, friendly she was.

-Normally, the mamasan does not get any of the BF money, but this varies somewhat with a few places giving a token commission to the mamasan. Obviously, in those places, the mamasan may have a tendency to push for you to BF your gal.

-Likewise, I have had girls in some bars tell me that they get nothing from the BF, only the 'tip' the customer pays her. Other gals have told me that they get up to 10% of the BF.

-When you BF a gal from a Burgos bar, the 'default mode' will be LT (all night). However, it is a very good idea to clarify this with the gal before paying the BF.

-On Burgos, the 'tip' you pay the gal should not be viewed as optional--it is definitely expected. The amount, of course, is somewhat flexible, based on the performance of the gal and the amount of time she stays with you. My general rule for a gal I BF LT from a Burgos bar is 3000P for the girl in the morning, providing she was not a total disappointment, and/or did not have a major attitude problem. However, if you BF an absolute stunner who is obviously the star dancer in one of the more expensive bars, it would be a good idea to have a little chat with her about money before paying the BF.

-When it comes time to paying the gal before she leaves your room, a bit of sensitivity and delicacy is always appreciated. I normally, in plain view so she knows what I am doing, put the folded bills in her hand bag or in her pocket without fanfare, just saying something like, 'I had a very nice time with you, that's a little something for your _____'. (fill in the blank, eg 'studies', 'son/daughter', 'family', 'transportation back to your province', etc... whatever makes sense given what you have been talking about while together). I never put the money directly into her hand, as it is just too much like a business transaction for me, and it will make her uncomfortable.

-I do not expect to pay her fare back home in the morning on top of her tip, so if I have small bills available, I try to include them as part of her tip. This will help her negotiate taxi/bus/jeepney fares getting home. My modus operendi is that because I know these gals are doing a fairly shitty job, whatever small gestures I can offer to make it a little easier for them, I'm happy to do.

Manta Ray

[QUOTE=Westcoast1]Yes Nat. For LT:

+ Burgos barfine 2000+2500tip+drink is maybe p5000 (I understand EDSA similar).

+ AC barfine+tip+drink p1500-2000.

+ Cebu barfine recently was p1700+tip for p1800-2000. I asked a mama if a tip was necessary; she said its up to the customer but not necessary.

+ Freelancers in Manila p1500+100tip was p1600. One recently offered friends for future sessions, then offered a 3-some, and brought another girl the next evening for a wild marathon session. Agreed in advance was LT for both girls to include breakfast, p2000 total. They came back multiple nights.

+ Freelancers in Cebu were recently happy at p1000+100tip for p1100. Two of these not only asked for a repeat, but also offered up their friend/cousin for service.

What do you gents give chat-mates? I slip them p500 for an afternoon session, p1000 if they spend the night. Or, if we are in the mall after breakfast and I have not given them anything yet, I buy them some stuff. My chat-mates almost always want another chance, or don't want to leave at all. On occasion I have one refuse the money, asking only taxi money.[/QUOTE]
Your prices tally with my experiences although I usually end up paying 3K + 3K Php in Burgos for routine girls (& more for stunners).

In AC I pay the 1350 -1550 php bar fine & I've never had a girl ask me for more the next day. I always have a cache of gifts (perfumed soap/talcum) which seems to put them more in a GF frame of mind than a hooker. Usually there the girl picks me rather than the other way around :)

Internet pick up's usually try to come on as GF's so I play that for all its worth dont offer money instead take them shopping. ;)

AV

Yep thats the ticket. They all like to be charmed with small gifts and feel speacial. It goes a long way.

I gave me girls Chocolates, Panties and small Stuffed Animals in a Gift Bag.

I did not cost much and they were very happy.

[QUOTE=Amavida]Your prices tally with my experiences although I usually end up paying 3K + 3K Php in Burgos for routine girls (& more for stunners).

In AC I pay the 1350 -1550 php bar fine & I've never had a girl ask me for more the next day. I always have a cache of gifts (perfumed soap/talcum) which seems to put them more in a GF frame of mind than a hooker. Usually there the girl picks me rather than the other way around :)

Internet pick up's usually try to come on as GF's so I play that for all its worth dont offer money instead take them shopping. ;)

AV[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manta Ray]-When it comes time to paying the gal before she leaves your room, a bit of sensitivity and delicacy is always appreciated. I normally, in plain view so she knows what I am doing, put the folded bills in her hand bag or in her pocket without fanfare, just saying something like, 'I had a very nice time with you, that's a little something for your _____'. (fill in the blank, eg 'studies', 'son/daughter', 'family', 'transportation back to your province', etc... whatever makes sense given what you have been talking about while together). I never put the money directly into her hand, as it is just too much like a business transaction for me, and it will make her uncomfortable.

-I do not expect to pay her fare back home in the morning on top of her tip, so if I have small bills available, I try to include them as part of her tip. This will help her negotiate taxi/bus/jeepney fares getting home. My modus operendi is that because I know these gals are doing a fairly shitty job, whatever small gestures I can offer to make it a little easier for them, I'm happy to do.

Manta Ray[/QUOTE]Manta, great research and report. Yes, I think if I gave a bar p3000, then the girl p3000, I would not give her transportation money either. Recently my Havana Cafe Greenbelt chatmate did not show. It was a Friday evening and there were tons of girls there, outside especially towards the other coffee shop as you come out of HC and turn right, and past Starbucks -- Bo's? San Francisco Coffee? Something Bean? Towards the exit and taxis. Bunches of nicely dressed girls in their 20's/30's. When I entered that way about 8pm, I got several girls reaching out to touch me, "Sir, where are you going?" I thought that rather brazen, the touch on my sleeve or pant leg. I waited my date 90 minutes late (several drinks, apetizer). Repeated txts she is on her way, but I finally left. When I was on my way out in the same direction, towards the taxis, again several ladies hit me with "Sir where are you going?" But no touching this time.

I took off for Burgos. In the place along Makati Ave, right near the corner of Burgos, I think it's Wild West? The barfine was p2200 quoted from the mama, who massaged my shoulders for a few minutes. Two years ago it was p2200, one year ago it was p3000 there. She left and a dancer departed the stage, went to the dressing room, and came out shortly with a long kind of shirt over her bikini. She started chatting me up, then started a massage. I asked her the barfine and she said 2200 also. I asked if I she was interested in barfining, she said yes, and before I could say anything she asked if I could give her p1000 tip in the morning. No lady drink had been purchased. Normally I don't pay 3000 pesos for talent, but I was not in the mood to head back to Greenbelt to try and dicker, so I told her yes if she could stay for breakfast, otherwise there would be no tip. Ran thru my list of needs. She was fine with that. Confirmed with the mama that she would have breakfast with me, and we're off. My hotel was in Malate, it was a 20+ minute ride back. In the taxi I asked how much of the barfine she keeps before my tip, she said p1000, so she would make p2000 for the evening. She was enthusiastic the first pop, and she was sweet and attempted a pop in the morning, but I was not up for it. I dropped the tip into her purse, the 1000 she requested. We got muffins and coffee at Starbucks in Robinson's, then walked the mall a bit. I put her in a taxi around 11am.

Same MR, I like to put the money in her purse when she's showering, and tell her I left something in her purse for her expenses.

I can only imagine a similar discussion going on in a Korean/Japanese version of ISG. That might go something like this...."The Caucasians are so cheap, they only tip P300-P500, some don't tip at all, and they wonder why the girls don't easily flock to them, their dicks are too big, they last too long, blah blah, etc, etc...." LOL.

Agreed with most.
P0 = They leave early (only happened once.)
P300 = OK Service or LT but no morning round 2
P500 = LT, Great GFE + minimum round 2 in the morning. (most common)
P1000 = Only 1 girl did I do this, she stays until her next shift (6pm+) she see's me on "her day off" and I did not have to pay her BF. This saves me a lot of money cos I don't have to buy LD. I thought it fair to share the spoils.

[QUOTE=Manta Ray]Just to clarify a few of the details regarding pricing on Burgos in Makati..................
-I do not expect to pay her fare back home in the morning on top of her tip, so if I have small bills available, I try to include them as part of her tip. This will help her negotiate taxi/bus/jeepney fares getting home. My modus operendi is that because I know these gals are doing a fairly shitty job, whatever small gestures I can offer to make it a little easier for them, I'm happy to do.

Manta Ray[/QUOTE]

Fantastic post MR.
Very clear and to the point about prices - I agree with your philosophy regarding helping the girls too.

Looking forward to the next night out together.

I do feel a bit left out though by the fact that every girl in Burgos seems to know you and by name too.
They only notice me after the dust has settled LOL.

[quote=poopbunny]i can only imagine a similar discussion going on in a korean/japanese version of isg. that might go something like this...."the caucasians are so cheap, they only tip p300-p500, some don't tip at all, and they wonder why the girls don't easily flock to them, their dicks are too big, they last too long, blah blah, etc, etc...." lol.

[/quote]
some girls do flock to caucasions because the want to get fucked by a big cock! some of these girls give it up for free too!

Hello to all,

Good reports about Burgos.

Of course you can always talk into the girls to meet you after the bar or next day. I spent them a LD, get their number and txt them to meet up.

I dont like to pay the high barfines. Its to much. I would pay for a pretty one, apparently the girls on Burgos have a overall better set up but in the looks department they are just the same as the hookers in AC, while AC has got a wide range of girls to chose from.

I mean a hooker is a hooker, so dont expect to barfine Miss Philippines in those kind of bars. I live here, so its more fun for me to f..ck non working girls, e. g. girls with a job or students. However I like to have a cold SM light at the evening and its fun to visit places as Burgos or Edsa(if my buddy drives, cause I hate traffic LOL) and look up whats new over there.

Good thing is, I am not into a pressure to take girls, cause I live there and have my contacts. So I understand guys who there for 2 weeks per year in order to relieve some stress LOL. However, dont spoil the prices. Girls need us, if a girl gives you a hard time, walk away and look up another one who is interested at you. Its a business, you go there to get laid, not to look for a wife, right?

Keep up the good work!

Blink

[QUOTE=Blink157]Hello to all,

Good reports about Burgos.

I dont like to pay the high barfines. Its to much.

I mean a hooker is a hooker,

Blink[/QUOTE]Blink, concur. I have paid higher prices in the past, sometimes p3000+ for a girl. I paid nearly that also to sit and chat (only) a girl in a KTV place. But these are rare occurances for me. The girl in the bar is little different than the streetwalkers outside. Prettier? Yes in general. But you can find freelancers just as pretty. On Burgos you can pay p5000 in the bar for an evening, or you can pay p1500 on the street.

I don't post here but I follow the fellow mongers' posts. Last three days, I stayed in Pacific Breeze in AC. I can assure you that Motel 6 of USA is far better than this hotel. Previously I stayed in ABC.

Pacific Breeze has a security problem. You can not even close the room door properly. Service is less than desirable. Price of $57/a night is too much for this place. Pay a little bit more and stay in a better place. However, it's location is awesome.

AC bored me and now I am in Cebu.

Pharmacies are refusing to sell them without a prescription.

Manson's sold me a box but others are refusing.

[quote=poopbunny]
p0 = they leave early (only happened once.)
p300 = ok service or lt but no morning round 2
p500 = lt, great gfe + minimum round 2 in the morning. (most common)
p1000 = only 1 girl did i do this, she stays until her next shift (6pm+) she see's me on "her day off" and i did not have to pay her bf. this saves me a lot of money cos i don't have to buy ld. i thought it fair to share the spoils.[/quote]

i totally agree with poopbunny's tipping range! that's exactly my approach as well and imho these amounts are 'fair'!

so, and in 20 minutes i am on fields again! :)

cheers!

hesekiels

[QUOTE=Frank4220]IN some cases they may really like you or be in dreamland that your only interested in her. The reality for most is that your the "payday" and it all comes down to pesos.
They can get real pissy and childish and I have even heard of them giving each other a good old fashion shit kicking. They are pretty competitive, especially the higher earners.
Why bother with the drama, there are just too many bars and I never see a reason to stir up shit with them. Be discrete or at least put some time between barfines at the same establishment.[/QUOTE]


It's difficult to be totally discrete as I often have my favorite bars and very little time in AC. If I happen to see another cute lady I like in the same bar from nite before and choose her instead of the previous one then I let it all act out. If it proves too difficult with personal attitudes and vibes then I just skip it with my pick of the nite and move on.

Shark

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Some girls do flock to caucasions because the want to get fucked by a big cock! Some of these girls give it up for free too![/QUOTE]


Also, some will flock to us because they know they have a better chance of bagging one of us rather than a Jap or Korean, as alot more of us falls for the pinoys= this holds the same in LOS during all the many years I monger there.


Have to remember about the pinoys: one of the main ladies dreams is to be away from PI and hopefully live in US or Australia or another "english" speaking country. Communication is a problem for them if a Jap or Korean really likes them and takes them to their country.

Shark

[QUOTE=Henio]1), I could see there was a rather large range so I figured I might get it out of the girls what is expected, what is a low and high tip.

2)None would expect to get a tip for ST

3). Would be interested if anyone else here has similar data, i.e. what the girls consider low, normal and high[/QUOTE]




1) The range is very large indeed as it will always depend on the individual or the tipping culture you grew up with.
Range could be $0 tips (if the lady sucked in performance or didn't live up to your agreements or a runner) to out of this world (I've seen 2 Jap guys sitting next to me drop 10,000p tips to just one lady and didn't even BF the lady for the nite.

2) Not always true. I often give a small tip, about 100-150p to the lady in a ST bar if she was good to me. Zero tips if she was so-so or avg. at these ST places.

ex: Forgot the name of the bar or girl on Santos BJ place. She was not a true looker but was ok in looks if you don't look too closely at her 2 missing front teeth. But she was always very friendly and gave excellent service to me. Once I was so very tired and couldn't cum but she refused to give up and kept at it even as I told her she didn't have to. Everytime I got a little limp, she stop her cowgirl and gave me a good BJ to get me hard again. She did this routine non-stop for over 20min until I was finally able to cum. So thats what I meant by very good service and gave her 150p for her efforts , not because I had to tip her but I truly appreciated her efforts. Maybe some of you guys know her?

3) girls don't often say much about tipping other than if the idiots overtipped and then she will brag about it for the next 2 nites to her friends.
Most girls I tip don't even look or count it and just stuff it in their purse. One lady was honest and even said if I just gave her trike money back to her bar she'll be happy = that's about 75-100p to all you newbies in AC.

PT

[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2] but was ok in looks if you don't look too closely at her 2 missing front teeth.

. Maybe some of you guys know her?

[/QUOTE]


Ha, isn't that sort of a contradiction in terms of looks?

Alright, can't laugh too much as you told me about her and I went to sample her services the next nite and she was indeed very good to me. The BJ seem much better when they don't have front teeth?. I think I ended up giving her 100p tips. If any of you guys do take her for service, do leave a nice tip to her as she is not a harden pro and is still very friendly. I only hope she saves a bit of the tip money to have false teeth put in and this will make her much prettier. She's only about 19-20y/o so have most of her live ahead of her.

Shark

[quote=sharka]also, some will flock to us because they know they have a better chance of bagging one of us rather than a jap or korean, as alot more of us falls for the pinoys= this holds the same in los during all the many years i monger there.[/quote]well, not to intrude, but in my experience, almost all throw themselves at westerners for a) money, and b) more than money- a slight chance the guy will marry her.

been there, seen that. i once saw a german, who was smitten by a girl, and when i was bartending, called and asked how fast he can marry her and take her back to germany. i kid you not. he was serious enough. the next day, despite the girl being a hooker and was shacking up in her chicken coop apartment. the guy turned up with a half carat diamond, and proposed to the girl and. well, what could i say? i just told him to go for it.

99 out of 100 japs or koreans will never do such stuff, but when it comes to westerners who find the girls outgoing and fun. the ratio of success is about 5 out of 10. and not once, but too many times, i have met girls who head to singapore, to specifically marry a guy. and boy oh boy, more than half do succeed.

ps: no i'll-will but if anybody assumes the girls throw themelves at the guys for big cocks and all. all crap. i know enough girls in ac and pg who are more than double timing, with decent korean boyfriends, and these girls, while having an occasional fling or some fun with a westerner. will swear over their dead body that once you cross the invisible language barrier. they prefer asians.

to rub it in, i would hazard a guess than more than 75% of the ac girls do have filipino boyfriends, on the side, and after making the foreigner happy and making him believe that she is all his, will slip out to make love to the filipino. and too many times (again in my bartending days) i heard from girls that it is special when fucking a filipino. after all, when you have a language full of expressions, saying "fuck" or "oh shit' doesn't cut it.

try watching a filipino porn and get a filipina to translate the speech. it is more than 'wham bham, thank you ma'am. ' and try to understand tagalog songs, and some are bloody emotional in meaning that you need a thesaurus to understand what the song is all about.

and the regulars girls whom i have made love to are passionate, and 99% they start spewing stuff in tagalog. after all. it is a language beyond words. so they say, so they say

ps: above is my own personal opinion. no offense to nobody.

Went to Las Vegas last night and to my biggest surprise there was an excellent selection of girls! Particularly a couple of very attractive and friendly waitresses were really worth a barfine. However, at about 11pm finally I barfined one of them. Got an outstanding service and at 8am after the usual morning round she was qualified for a 500 pesos tip!

Cheers!

Hesekiels

Just wondering if anyone has caught a taxi recently from Clark into Angeles city and if so, how much did it approximately cost?

I will be arriving on the 3:55 am flight from BKK and I will be staying at the Swagman in Diamond.

Are taxis more expensive at that time of the morning?

Thanks in advance

Osakagin

[quote=econo tech]well, not to intrude, but in my experience, almost all throw themselves at westerners for a) money, and b) more than money- a slight chance the guy will marry her.

been there, seen that. i once saw a german, who was smitten by a girl, and when i was bartending, called and asked how fast he can marry her and take her back to germany. i kid you not. he was serious enough. the next day, despite the girl being a hooker and was shacking up in her chicken coop apartment. the guy turned up with a half carat diamond, and proposed to the girl and. well, what could i say? i just told him to go for it.

99 out of 100 japs or koreans will never do such stuff, but when it comes to westerners who find the girls outgoing and fun. the ratio of success is about 5 out of 10. and not once, but too many times, i have met girls who head to singapore, to specifically marry a guy. and boy oh boy, more than half do succeed.

ps: no i'll-will but if anybody assumes the girls throw themelves at the guys for big cocks and all. all crap. i know enough girls in ac and pg who are more than double timing, with decent korean boyfriends, and these girls, while having an occasional fling or some fun with a westerner. will swear over their dead body that once you cross the invisible language barrier. they prefer asians.

to rub it in, i would hazard a guess than more than 75% of the ac girls do have filipino boyfriends, on the side, and after making the foreigner happy and making him believe that she is all his, will slip out to make love to the filipino. and too many times (again in my bartending days) i heard from girls that it is special when fucking a filipino. after all, when you have a language full of expressions, saying "fuck" or "oh shit' doesn't cut it.

try watching a filipino porn and get a filipina to translate the speech. it is more than 'wham bham, thank you ma'am. ' and try to understand tagalog songs, and some are bloody emotional in meaning that you need a thesaurus to understand what the song is all about.

and the regulars girls whom i have made love to are passionate, and 99% they start spewing stuff in tagalog. after all. it is a language beyond words. so they say, so they say

ps: above is my own personal opinion. no offense to nobody.[/quote]
i agree with your observations.
the double timing applies equally to non p4p girls in my experience.
the newbies don't want to listen however..

av

[QUOTE=Osakagin]Just wondering if anyone has caught a taxi recently from Clark into Angeles city and if so, how much did it approximately cost?

I will be arriving on the 3:55 am flight from BKK and I will be staying at the Swagman in Diamond.

Are taxis more expensive at that time of the morning?

Thanks in advance

Osakagin[/QUOTE]
3 months ago I payed 300p to Fields at that time in the morning. But the guy tried to get 500 out of me. I stuck to my guns and got my price.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]3 months ago I payed 300p to Fields at that time in the morning. But the guy tried to get 500 out of me. I stuck to my guns and got my price.[/QUOTE]


Cheers for that Amjeck as I now have a ball park figure to work with.

I hear that there are some new rules in AC. Can someone let us know what is going on and how it is working out

[quote=mackin]i hear that there are some new rules in ac. can someone let us know what is going on and how it is working out[/quote]posted on one of the bars website:-

new guidlines for the bars in angeles

due to the volume of false rumors floating around and the “sky is falling” mentality on the local message boards, i though i would try to put things into perspective from my point of view and some observations from my years in angeles and discussions i have had in the years past with mayor edgardo pamintuan.

edgardo pamintuan was the mayor of angeles city from 1992 to 1998 and he was recently reelected again in 2010. he is a lawyer by trade with an extensive back ground in human rights. i have personally known him since the mid-90’s. i believe he was one of the best mayors i have seen in angeles city in the 30+ years i have been in angeles.

history:

on 2 august mayor edgardo pamintuan told attendees at a flag raising ceremony that he had been pressured by department of interior and local government (dilg) secretary jess robredo to close one to two thousand bars in angeles city. he said he told secretary robredo that there were less than 250 clubs in angeles city and there was no problem with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] in the city. he further told the secretary that he would not close any of the bars because they were not involved in ‘[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url].”

this apparently resulted in manila saying they would send teams to inspect all of the fields avenue and balibago establishments “in the next few weeks” to look for any [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] or **** prostitution within their operations. these were not secret inspections. all clubs were given advanced notice on august 6 & 7th via newspapers articles and notices published on local websites that warned that any establishments found guilty will most likely face an immediate and unconditional permanent closure as well as heavy jail sentences.

imo this should have served as a warning that all clubs should not push the envelope with special shows that inspectors or undercover media might find sensational.

on 8 aug ponytails bar situated on perimeter road, just past checkpoint, was raided by the cidg police. the bar was having a special event (who let the dogs out) which was advertised on their website indicating that it would included body painting and erotic shows. near the end of the event the girls were starting a “banana & whip cream show” when the club was raided. as of 10 august pony tails bar was still closed and indications are that it will remain closed . it should be noted that the cidg reportedly did not have a specific mission order signed by the mayor for this raid on pony tails.

at the recent city hall meeting following the raid at ponytails bar, many issues were discussed around the central [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] issue.

as a result, the mayor has ordered an all-out anti [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909][CodeWord909][/url] mission to numerous departments and stations in the city, including the clark international airport; “to hunt and close down any establishment or syndicate group guilty of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url].”

furthermore, the mayor has issued a new set of rules to be implemented at all nightlife establishments. the list of new rules are:

· no topless

· no body painting

· no see-through apparel

· no g-strings or thongs

· only one 'doorgirl' per bar

· ban of all special bar events which promote overly erotic shows

dejavu

during edgardo pamintuan first term as angeles city mayors in the 1990’s he started out with pretty much a hands off approach to fields ave. at that time angeles was just starting to recover from the devastation of the mount pinatubo eruptions. there were very few clubs, but they were bringing tourists back to angeles city and employing a significant number of filipinos in the clubs, hotels and restaurants that were starting to rebuild. then, as now, these tourist businesses accounted for a significant percentage of the city’s tax revenue.

in the early 90’s very few businesses in angeles city were on the internet, but a few enterprising filipino reporters did have internet. whenever they came across anything sensational they would work up an article for the national newspapers. a guy named rob valarie put up a website in the early 90’s about angeles and stated that you could get oral sex on santos street for the price of a cheeseburger. when this hit the newspapers the president put pressure on the mayor to clean up his town. a round of inspections followed and clubs with short time rooms were closed down for broken toilets, fire violations, etc.

not long after that, another sensational news article in the national press forced the mayors hand again. malacanang sent a top pnp general to angeles to check the story and close offending businesses. the mayors office sent word to the club owners of the impending inspections. one club had told the some staff from the mayors office to “f--- o--“ during a clean & green effort a few days before and the word was out that this would be their first stop. in fact, it was so well known that four of us got chairs and sat on top of the bar across the street waiting for the raid to occur. it happened on schedule, the bar was padlocked and the israeli owner left the country not long after that. the next stop for the team was archie’s bar, which in total disregard for the warnings had a banner hanging across fields avenue advertising a special show. the owner tried to throw the mayor and the general out of the club. it was padlocked and never reopened as archie’s.

more sensational news articles about lewd shows resulted in the organization of a vice squad, frequent inspections, and new guidelines for the clubs. these guidelines from gray (vice squad coordinator) included: no bikinis, bras & panties had to be worn under all dance costumes and the famous “no dancing like a snake.” despite these restrictions, angeles city was still a fun city.

where i’m going with all this is mayor pamintuan was never anti-bar or anti-foreigner. he only came out with new inspections, rules, or raid when he was pressured by manila to stop giving the whole country a bad name. and even when he did send in inspection teams, there was almost always some advance notice when they would be coming and what they would be looking for. it was the businesses that didn’t pay attention that suffered the consequences.

additionally, in those days is was rare that some undercover filipino went into a club and got the information. there were virtually no filipino guys in the clubs in those days. almost all the information came from foreigners posting stories or photos on the internet where some reporter could gather the information and write a story without leaving his desk.

still another major story came from a real unexpected source. a long term expat ran into a friendly australian one night and took him bar hopping and explained all the in’s and out’s to him. several months later this friendly australian published details of that night with photos in the australian edition of playboy. within days, morris was invited by some local police to leave the country asap.

this is now 2010 and everyone has internet including the mayor’s staff. the mayor has become internet savvy and even has his own face book page ([url]http://www.facebook.com/edgardopamintuan[/url]).

today, anybody’s post on an open forum about a happening in angeles could result in the closure of establishments mentioned in that post. filipinos frequent all the clubs in the entertainment area. they see signs advertising special parties and it is very easy for them to attend and notify authorities of events that do not meet the mayor’s standards. all ac businesses should be aware that news paper articles or videos of lewd parties that end up on shows like imbestigador (gma-7) will likely bring some form of action by the current city management.

so, what i’m trying to say in this lengthy article is imo mayor pamintuan has no hidden agendas and is, in fact, very pro-expat & pro-foreign visitors. i believe he will allow the nightlife in balibago to continue to operate and will even support projects to make it a safer place for tourists. but, when he is called on the carpet by the president or other officials from manila he can only defend things so far. if a warning comes down from the mayors office like the one on august 6 & 7 that some new inspections are going to occur, prepare to be inspected. make sure your business is clean, take out the trash, check the fire extinguishers, put the staff in conservative uniforms, send the dancers that constantly have “wardrobe malfunctions” on vacation, don’t hang up banners advertising erotic shows, and by all means .. hide the bananas & whip cream.

furthermore, expats and tourists should use caution with what they post about angeles city and more importantly be careful not to post items in an open forum where it is likely to be picked up by a filipino reporter using google.

[QUOTE=Mackin]I hear that there are some new rules in AC. Can someone let us know what is going on and how it is working out[/QUOTE]

Here's the link: [url]http://angelescity.com/index.php?newsID=236[/url]

Another interesting article:

[url]http://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/crackdown-bars-holding-bold-shows-ordered[/url]

[QUOTE=Osakagin]Just wondering if anyone has caught a taxi recently from Clark into Angeles city and if so, how much did it approximately cost?

I will be arriving on the 3:55 am flight from BKK and I will be staying at the Swagman in Diamond.

Are taxis more expensive at that time of the morning?

Thanks in advance

Osakagin[/QUOTE]I was at Clark yesterday afternoon, the sign on the window says taxi to Angeles 500P. I had my hotel pick me up for 400P. I think both prices can be beat but you'll have to work at it.

[QUOTE=Mackin]I hear that there are some new rules in AC. Can someone let us know what is going on and how it is working out[/QUOTE]Re the new rules in Fields Ave, I was in dolls house and Atlantis bars last night just before midnight, girls now have to wear cycle shorts, no g strings or t backs allowed, no more topless dancing or rude shows like the banana licking etc, etc, strictly only one door girl and doors to be kept closed,

Needless to say there were no foreigners in the bars, Mamasan could not understand why I did not want to stay and have a drink, and watch the overdressed girls dancing,

Police major Tan is the enforcer for the Mayor, and can be sometimes seen cruising along Fields Ave with Angeles finest, (LOL) giving orders and instructions.

[quote=mattrick]another interesting article:

[url]http://www.sunstar.com.ph/pampanga/crackdown-bars-holding-bold-shows-ordered[/url][/quote]

couple dozen **** girls didn't help either...

According to those links 3 quarters of the bars or 770 are closed. 230 still open. Dont remember seeing 1000 bars, maybe 100 or so in AC sounds about right.

[QUOTE=Osakagin]Just wondering if anyone has caught a taxi recently from Clark into Angeles city and if so, how much did it approximately cost?

I will be arriving on the 3:55 am flight from BKK and I will be staying at the Swagman in Diamond.

Are taxis more expensive at that time of the morning?

Thanks in advance

Osakagin[/QUOTE]

Just returned home from Subic, Sigh :(

I spotted a booth in SM Mall front of Hyper Market that provides taxi services. A taxi taxi from AC center to Clark is 300PHP *only*

I have understood I am not allowed to put phone number or email in forum but I have their their business card so PM me if you are interested. Google search warned about their web page potentally being harmful so I did not want to risk open it myself. Taxi service is real and working for promised price. I used it to get from Perimeter to Clark.

[QUOTE=Amavida]I agree with your observations.

The double timing applies equally to non P4P girls in my experience.

The newbies don't want to listen however..

AV[/QUOTE]Love is blind yeah. And not all bar girls are *****s yeah?

PS: I did really hear that from a guy who was convinced that not all bar girls are *****s, because the girl whom he was hitting on didn't spread her ware. And the funny stuff is when the woman was being screwed by me she gets a call from her admirer, and on speaker phone, the guy says he understands she is not like other girls and will wait for marriage to consummate the relationship. Damn Psychology games these girls have encoded in their genes.

Anneelke, Thanks for the update good summary and shows that this action will have a negative affect on the businesses. Should fields be shut down there is no reason to travel to this area, hotels and other business will suffer. What is sad is that all of the media information written is to sell papers, books and stories and is not true. Lets plan that things will quite down and life will go on generally not the same things rarely ever return to were they were.

[QUOTE=Strikesfun]Anneelke, Thanks for the update good summary and shows that this action will have a negative affect on the businesses. Should fields be shut down there is no reason to travel to this area, hotels and other business will suffer. What is sad is that all of the media information written is to sell papers, books and stories and is not true. Lets plan that things will quite down and life will go on generally not the same things rarely ever return to were they were.[/QUOTE]
So far AC bars have gotten away with everything. They never had bodypainting 10 years ago. At that time only few bars had shows but none can be termed naked or half naked. In the wake of LA cafe closing and all associated news coverage , suddenly all elected officials want to come across as moral crusaders. Soon it will be fully clothed dancers, the same as waitresses.
Every now and then they raid a bar here and there to show who is the Boss.
Those were of no consequence. What I heard now is they are checking to see who owns what and is it legal. Along with that they will check tax records, deed records etc causing many bars to close down. This will be bad for mongers because only stiff competition will hold down the prices.
How serious is these procedures will depend on whose hand is greased and how much. I hope being a corrupt political system in PHI this blows over or it is death knell for AC.

I was in this bar about two months ago at about 9:00 or 10:00. Two girls come out, TOPLESS, and start squirting whipped cream at each other. At the time I thought that the bar was taking a big risk as it was well known that this type of action was not allowed on Fields, on anywhere else in the Philippines. Bars in Manila get shut down all the time for these types of "bold shows", as they are known in the Philippines. Of course, it goes on everwhere, but Fields is a little high profile for this. I go into AC bars on a regular basis, and from my experiance, Pony tails did have the boldest shows in town. Now, you have to wonder, what kind of retarded manager would want to have boldest shows in AC. If the authorities want to close down a bar to make a point, his bar will be at the top of the list. Pushing the envelope this way can also ruin it for everyone, because it is not the corrupt polititions that threaten AC, it is the moralistic ones. Make no mistake, a corrupt mayor of AC is FAR better then an honest one, like Mayor Lim of Manila.

Morals in the Philippines as it relates to bars is quite strange by western standards. You can fill the place with girls that you take home and fuck for $30, but they cannot take off their tops in the bar. Quite the opposite to the bars where I come from, where they are welcome to take off ALL their clothes, but will be closed down with smallest rumor of prositition taking place. Personnaly, I'll take the Philippines attitude any day. And while I enjoy a good sex show as much as the next guy, I lose interest in barfining any girl I see topless in a bar. They come accross to me as prostitutes, and I generally prefer the "nicer" girls in AC to take home (but I certainly understand that many will think differently to me on this).

So hopefully the manager of pony tails escaped the raid has left town and will not come back. Anyone who doesn't understand the basic rules of this town has no business running a bar here.

All is ok in AC.... Just some political propaganda and the U.S coming to town. The people in charge will not destroy their cashcow. Maybe Poneytails took a chance to push the envelope because they can and have the money. If the management was so bad they would of went after the other bars they own as well.

I don't know the stats, but with roughly 10 new bars opening in a year, that states a point. It's still progressing. I was out last night and maybe I seen some titties in the bar... So their not scared. Still short time to be had in the bars. When that goes away, then we should worry.

Soon as I get rid of this redhorse hangover I'm going to go out again tonight and see how many titties I can see in a night!!!!!!

[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s] And while I enjoy a good sex show as much as the next guy, I lose interest in barfining any girl I see topless in a bar. They come accross to me as prostitutes, and I generally prefer the "nicer" girls in AC to take home (but I certainly understand that many will think differently to me on this).
[/QUOTE]

Same here. The girls I usually BF wear shorts or dress (in the case of Agasya/Atlantis).

I can only recall 1 topless BF bodypaint (actually prefer her without the bodypaint) possibly one more from Dollhouse in a thong but wrap see thru.

the gal who uses her tongue to imitate cksuking (pushing her tongue against her cheek) is a big turnoff for me. as for other sltty actions, tattoos, excessive jewelry, etc, i come to find that these gals can be quite nice once maneuvered into the bedroom.

don't judge a book by its cover.

[quote=poopbunny]same here. the girls i usually bf wear shorts or dress (in the case of agasya/atlantis).

i can only recall 1 topless bf bodypaint (actually prefer her without the bodypaint) possibly one more from dollhouse in a thong but wrap see thru.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Anneelke]Posted on one of the bars website:-

NEW GUIDLINES FOR THE BARS IN ANGELES

Due to the volume of false rumors floating around and the “Sky is falling” mentality on the local message boards, I though I would try to put things into perspective from my point of view and some observations from my years in Angeles and discussions I have had in the years past with Mayor Edgardo Pamintuan.

Edgardo Pamintuan was the mayor of Angeles City from 1992 to 1998 and he was recently reelected again in 2010. He is a lawyer by trade with an extensive back ground in Human Rights. I have personally known him since the mid-90’s. I believe he was one of the best mayors I have seen in Angeles City in the 30+ years I have been in Angeles.

[/QUOTE]

Very good take on the history of Angeles city and the current situation..would put that on reports of distinction as the debate would go on for ever.

Just a thought that you might want to change your screen name from LoveAsian*****s to LoveNiceGirls. LOL

[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s]I lose interest in barfining any girl I see topless in a bar. They come accross to me as prostitutes, and I generally prefer the "nicer" girls in AC to take home (but I certainly understand that many will think differently to me on this).

[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=The Rooster1]All is ok in AC.... Just some political propaganda and the U.S coming to town. T[/QUOTE]
What do you mean "U.S coming to town"?

[QUOTE=Econo Tech]To rub it in, I would hazard a guess than more than 75% of the AC girls do have Filipino boyfriends, on the side, and after making the Foreigner happy and making him believe that she is all his, will slip out to make love to the Filipino. And too many times (again in my bartending days) I heard from girls that it is special when fucking a Filipino. After all, when you have a language full of expressions, saying "fuck" or "Oh SHit' Doesn't cut it.[/QUOTE]

Funny post but very good eye opener for the guys going to Fields bars looking for love. I'm fine with them dating Filipinos as long as I don't get sloppy seconds, lol.

u. s. coming to phils.. someone said obama was scheduled to come to the phils in sept for a visit. i tried to look up his schedule and couldn't find it.. i do remember him canceling a trip to asia when the oil spill was going on.. but i thought it was indonesia and another place, not the phils. my thought is why would he come to angles anyway.. i know they have a airbase that can land his plane but so does the airport in manila.. besides the govt is in manila, not angles . i also don't think he would be out traveling the country side and going to angles.

i know these moral asses in the u. s. will get there nose into things they have no business getting into, so it is a strong possibility they pulled some influence with a person in congress who is part of the religious right. he or she raised a little hell to get some publicity. just a guess though.

let me say that forced prostition, especially with **** girls, should be prosecuted. but lets get some evidence first and then not attack everybody. but it seems that is to much to ask in some places.
just an opinion

[quote=mackin]u. s. coming to phils.. someone said obama was scheduled to come to the phils in sept for a visit. i tried to look up his schedule and couldn't find it.. i do remember him canceling a trip to asia when the oil spill was going on.. but i thought it was indonesia and another place, not the phils. my thought is why would he come to angles anyway.. i know they have a airbase that can land his plane but so does the airport in manila.. besides the govt is in manila, not angles . i also don't think he would be out traveling the country side and going to angles.

i know these moral asses in the u. s. will get there nose into things they have no business getting into, so it is a strong possibility they pulled some influence with a person in congress who is part of the religious right. he or she raised a little hell to get some publicity. just a guess though.

let me say that forced prostition, especially with **** girls, should be prosecuted. but lets get some evidence first and then not attack everybody. but it seems that is to much to ask in some places.
just an opinion[/quote]
even if obama plane lands in clark, i guarantee you a ride through fields avenue will not be in the agenda.
although i think it would be a fun experience.

[QUOTE=The Rooster1]All is ok in AC.... Just some political propaganda and the U.S coming to town. The people in charge will not destroy their cashcow.!!!![/QUOTE]I do hope and pray you are right. I'm a longtimer in Cambodia and visited many times there. About 3 years ago, this was also how it started there. First the "rules" then followed by the raids and now Phnom Penh is just a shadow of it's glorious old self. Most of the brothels are closed, all the BJ bars are closed, many of the western bars with ladies are almost fully clothes. If some of you make it there, you will see bar tables with round holes in them-- that was where the dancer poles use to be. So, all it takes is for one ******* to start something and before you know it, the end is near.--sorry for the sad reality but it's the truth.

FZ

Only thing I could find is Aquino flying to WADC....

[url]http://www.philstar.com/microsite/noynoy_aquino_inauguration_2010/article.aspx?articleId=597983&publicationSubCategoryId=63[/url]

[url]http://www.balitangamerica.tv/president-aquino-first-official-us-visit-in-september/[/url]

[url]http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/08/11/10/aquino-visit-us-september-dti-chief[/url]

[QUOTE=Sharka]Also, some will flock to us because they know they have a better chance of bagging one of us rather than a Jap or Korean, as alot more of us falls for the pinoys= this holds the same in LOS during all the many years I monger there.


Have to remember about the pinoys: one of the main ladies dreams is to be away from PI and hopefully live in US or Australia or another "english" speaking country. Communication is a problem for them if a Jap or Korean really likes them and takes them to their country.

Shark[/QUOTE]Yes, I have known 2 guys that fell for pinoys and ended up marrying them and took them back to the states. Don't know if it worked out for them or not.

Yeah, a lot of truth to this as I heard this before from some of the girls I picked up while in Cebu. Although I do agree as some have said they will go with anyone Asian or White or Black, all it takes is to have the money. But some girls have told me they prefer whites if it was for the long term relation (aside from their own race of course to a successful Filipino man,). What the girls told me was quite simple.

The 2 main reasons are:

1) the language (english) is spoken in the US and

2) the Westerner (white) culture is very forgiving when relationships are with a pinoy and bringing one back to the US is no big deal. The same may not be true for a Japanese or Korean. One girl had a short relation with a Japanese man and went back to japan and both she and the man were frowned upon and treated as outcast by family. Remember, some asian places look at pinoys as either housemaids/ servants and not as someone of status to married to their boys. That's why many Korean or Jap or HK men visit their "loved ones" only in the girls own country and never take her to his country. American men won't think twice about that if he had foolishly fallen for a pinoy. Bottom line, the Jap man had to let her go after 3months..just from experiences and stories told to me by a few pinoys..cheers

FZ

[QUOTE=Mbsl65]Pharmacies are refusing to sell them without a prescription.

Manson's sold me a box but others are refusing.[/QUOTE]


It's best to bring your stash with you. I buy my stuff from India for cheap and place it in the luggage. I have had no problems.

The new rules are short lived. The new mayor wants everybody to know who's the new boss in town. After the kick backs start rolling in business as usual for AC businesses. This is the mode of operations.

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]It's best to bring your stash with you. I buy my stuff from India for cheap and place it in the luggage. I have had no problems.[/QUOTE]
FYI:

The adult/sex shop on Fields Ave., across from Dollhouse and Atlantis, sold both real and fake viagra when I was there last year. I'm sure it's more expensive than it should be, but they had it. I think the fake viagra was called "Suhagra", from India. 400 pesos, for 4 pills (100mg) and they worked well.

[QUOTE=Freezone]I do hope and pray you are right. I'm a longtimer in Cambodia and visited many times there. About 3 years ago, this was also how it started there. First the "rules" then followed by the raids and now Phnom Penh is just a shadow of it's glorious old self.

FZ[/QUOTE]I was thinking much the same thing when I read about the recent 'crackdown' in AC. Phnom Penh went from being a mongers paradise to a virtual wasteland within 3 years due to a crackdown by the prime minister, Hun Sen, though I hear the driving force behind the crackdown was his wife and her moral crusade was instigated by donor nations threatening to withhold aid and deveopment grants unless the P4P trade was halted.

I desperately hope the same thing doesn't happen in AC and I wouldn't begin to compare the Philippines with Cambodia because the mentaillity of your average Khmer and Filipino are so different, but it only takes a moralising president (and his wife) under the cosh from donor nations with a moralising agenda for the rot to set in, gather pace and become irreversible.

[QUOTE=Doppel One]I was thinking much the same thing when I read about the recent 'crackdown' in AC. Phnom Penh went from being a mongers paradise to a virtual wasteland within 3 years due to a crackdown by the prime minister, Hun Sen, though I hear the driving force behind the crackdown was his wife and her moral crusade was instigated by donor nations threatening to withhold aid and deveopment grants unless the P4P trade was halted.

I desperately hope the same thing doesn't happen in AC and I wouldn't begin to compare the Philippines with Cambodia because the mentaillity of your average Khmer and Filipino are so different, but it only takes a moralising president (and his wife) under the cosh from donor nations with a moralising agenda for the rot to set in, gather pace and become irreversible.[/QUOTE]Nah, don't sweat it, these moral crusade things are absolutely par for the course in AC. They are always short lived. It'll be back to business as usual in no time.

AV

Hillary needs to get bent over and rogered thoroughly. One of us should draw straws for the duty.

I desperately hope the same thing doesn't happen in AC and I wouldn't begin to compare the Philippines with Cambodia because the mentaillity of your average Khmer and Filipino are so different, but it only takes a moralising president (and his wife) under the cosh from donor nations with a moralising agenda for the rot to set in, gather pace and become irreversible.[/QUOTE]


The Philippines would not be able to sustain itself. P4P is a big industry and the major clients are locals.

[QUOTE=Jambo]Hillary needs to get bent over and rogered thoroughly. One of us should draw straws for the duty.[/QUOTE]

She's got cold ice running through her veins. I don't blame Bill for getting a BJ from Monica one bit! I bet Hillary constantly uses the Monica card, like any dog owner would use a leash, to pull him into line.

I feel sorry for Bill really, stuck in an loveless relationship, with his instant recognition celebrity status and under constant moral scrutiny he does not have the same access to the international smorgasboard of P4P women we all enjoy.

[QUOTE=Mackin]I know these moral asses in the U. S. will get there nose into things they have no business getting into, so it is a strong possibility they pulled some influence with a person in congress who is part of the religious right. He or she raised a little hell to get some publicity. Just a guess though.[/QUOTE]
Don't think for a second that it's just the right. The left views it as their feminist duty to put an end to what they view as exploitation. Go visit any feminist website, if you dare, and search their archives for what they think about sex tourism.

I don't know anything about their personal views, but I'd put money on myself being closer to John Boehner's stance on tourism than Nancy Pelosi's. Nonetheless, I vote Libertarian to be on the safe side.

[QUOTE=Ezinho]FYI:

The adult/sex shop on Fields Ave., across from Dollhouse and Atlantis, sold both real and fake viagra when I was there last year. I'm sure it's more expensive than it should be, but they had it. I think the fake viagra was called "Suhagra", from India. 400 pesos, for 4 pills (100mg) and they worked well.[/QUOTE]


Yes, the generic stuff from India work well.

[QUOTE=Freezone]
Yeah, a lot of truth to this as I heard this before from some of the girls I picked up while in Cebu. Although I do agree as some have said they will go with anyone Asian or White or Black, all it takes is to have the money. But some girls have told me they prefer whites if it was for the long term relation (aside from their own race of course to a successful Filipino man,). What the girls told me was quite simple.

The 2 main reasons are:

1) the language (english) is spoken in the US and

2) the Westerner (white) culture is very forgiving when relationships are with a pinoy and bringing one back to the US is no big deal. The same may not be true for a Japanese or Korean. One girl had a short relation with a Japanese man and went back to japan and both she and the man were frowned upon and treated as outcast by family. Remember, some asian places look at pinoys as either housemaids/ servants and not as someone of status to married to their boys. That's why many Korean or Jap or HK men visit their "loved ones" only in the girls own country and never take her to his country. American men won't think twice about that if he had foolishly fallen for a pinoy. Bottom line, the Jap man had to let her go after 3months..just from experiences and stories told to me by a few pinoys..cheers

FZ[/QUOTE]


Filipina's will tell you anything you wanna hear. If your Latino, they will say I prefer to be with Latinos in a long term relationship. If your black, it will be the same thing. They want to get out!

[QUOTE=Doppel One]I was thinking much the same thing when I read about the recent 'crackdown' in AC. Phnom Penh went from being a mongers paradise to a virtual wasteland within 3 years due to a crackdown by the prime minister, Hun Sen, though I hear the driving force behind the crackdown was his wife and her moral crusade was instigated by donor nations threatening to withhold aid and deveopment grants unless the P4P trade was halted.

I desperately hope the same thing doesn't happen in AC and I wouldn't begin to compare the Philippines with Cambodia because the mentaillity of your average Khmer and Filipino are so different, but it only takes a moralising president (and his wife) under the cosh from donor nations with a moralising agenda for the rot to set in, gather pace and become irreversible.[/QUOTE]

Very true...Now we know why the King of Thailand is on our side :).. in spite of all his negatives, one thing he has not excepted is taking orders from western moral crusaders.

Millions of published article about Thailand being the sex capital of the world and corrupting the image of his country. He has not given a single inch to the moral brigade. Man he knows how to run a country and make money at the same time...its not easy to defend prostitution when all of the moral world is against you..hats off to him for that

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]Yes, the generic stuff from India work well.[/QUOTE]
There are many generic Indian Viagra available like kamagra, Penegra etc.
In Phnom Penh it is the cheapest. $1 will get you 4 pills of 100Mg if you bargain. Normal asking price is $2.
I have bought loads of them when I visit there. It worked fine. I guess it is easy to import there than Phi.

The Cebu girl was likely to be sincere in what she said about her preferences among races.

Japanese are well-known for discriminating against anything or anyone who are not Japanese.

America being the melting pot, it's true that Americans are a lot more accepting of people of other races and cultures. What matters in the US is whether the people you marry brings stability and happiness to their family and the people around them.

It's my personal obeservations that white people, more so than Asian, black or Hispanic, whether rich or poor, tend to bring up their children with good values, i.e the Christian beliefs. Therefore whites are more likely to act better and are more trust worthy to others in personal and professional relationships.

Filipinas are 99% Christians. They naturally find more common understandings with white folks...


[QUOTE=Freezone]Yes, I have known 2 guys that fell for pinoys and ended up marrying them and took them back to the states. Don't know if it worked out for them or not.

Yeah, a lot of truth to this as I heard this before from some of the girls I picked up while in Cebu. Although I do agree as some have said they will go with anyone Asian or White or Black, all it takes is to have the money. But some girls have told me they prefer whites if it was for the long term relation (aside from their own race of course to a successful Filipino man,). What the girls told me was quite simple.

The 2 main reasons are:

1) the language (english) is spoken in the US and

2) the Westerner (white) culture is very forgiving when relationships are with a pinoy and bringing one back to the US is no big deal. The same may not be true for a Japanese or Korean. One girl had a short relation with a Japanese man and went back to japan and both she and the man were frowned upon and treated as outcast by family. Remember, some asian places look at pinoys as either housemaids/ servants and not as someone of status to married to their boys. That's why many Korean or Jap or HK men visit their "loved ones" only in the girls own country and never take her to his country. American men won't think twice about that if he had foolishly fallen for a pinoy. Bottom line, the Jap man had to let her go after 3months..just from experiences and stories told to me by a few pinoys..cheers

FZ[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Captain Solo]The Cebu girl was likely to be sincere in what she said about her preferences among races.

Japanese are well-known for discriminating against anything or anyone who are not Japanese.

America being the melting pot, it's true that Americans are a lot more accepting of people of other races and cultures. What matters in the US is whether the people you marry brings stability and happiness to their family and the people around them.

It's my personal obeservations that white people, more so than Asian, black or Hispanic, whether rich or poor, tend to bring up their children with good values, i.e the Christian beliefs. Therefore whites are more likely to act better and are more trust worthy to others in personal and professional relationships.

Filipinas are 99% Christians. They naturally find more common understandings with white folks...[/QUOTE]

For some reason, I thought most were Catholic. But, I could be wrong.

[QUOTE=Sammon]There are many generic Indian Viagra available like kamagra, Penegra etc.
In Phnom Penh it is the cheapest. $1 will get you 4 pills of 100Mg if you bargain. Normal asking price is $2.
I have bought loads of them when I visit there. It worked fine. I guess it is easy to import there than Phi.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's why I buy from India. I get them for a very cheap price. Plenty of online stores to choose from and the haggling goes away. I end up selling a lot to my friends. They don't expire for 2 years.

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]For some reason, I thought most were Catholic. But, I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]They are. Maybe 80-90% of filipinos are catholic. Catholics are not christians?

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]Yes, that's why I buy from India. I get them for a very cheap price. Plenty of online stores to choose from and the haggling goes away. I end up selling a lot to my friends. They don't expire for 2 years.[/QUOTE]I live in Malaysia and have an Indian " friend" who happens to be a pharmacist for Watsons. He gets shipments sent from Indian and then sells to "friends". Its been a great arrangement.

Viagra from a pharmacy US$ 9 per tablet. Kamagra from a pharamacist US$1.80. Totally the same effect!

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]Filipina's will tell you anything you wanna hear. If your Latino, they will say I prefer to be with Latinos in a long term relationship. If your black, it will be the same thing. They want to get out![/QUOTE]Very true if the pinoy is a one nighter but the stories told to me by several young ladies I knew as friends and not someone I paid to be with me confirmed for the most part they prefer to be in the US or some other wealthy western country with english as the primary language.

Been to AC for 3 days about 3 years ago. Didn't have the time to really wander around and explore.

Q: Does the SM mall near fields have a nice food court inside? Been to several malls in other parts of PI and they usually have decent food courts with very cheap prices and various foods from other countries.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Freezone]Q: Does the SM mall near fields have a nice food court inside?[/QUOTE]There is a food court in the central section of the ground floor, but I haven't been overly impressed by the food there -- lots of sizzling sisig and that kind of thing, emphasis on cheapness. I think you'll do much better paying a bit more at some of the standalone restaurants there, especially Gerry's Grill.

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]For some reason, I thought most were Catholic. But, I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]Catholics are Christians.

[QUOTE=Tally Wacker]Just a thought that you might want to change your screen name from LoveAsian*****s to LoveNiceGirls. LOL[/QUOTE]Yeah, the name was chosen several years ago, and it was the first thing that came into my mind. But it is a hassle to change the screen name, and everyone knows me by the name, so it sticks.

When my nephew was out here a couple of months ago, I took him around all the bars. Since he was young, and and I tend to like nicer girls, I tried my best to find him a girl that I thought he would like, but I guess I was just trying to find him a girl that I liked. Finally, at about 1:00 am, he puts his arm around me says "uncle, I really appreciate you trying to find me a nice girl, but I have a great girlfriend back home. What I want tonight is a dirty wh*re who will take it up the ass".

I learned alot that night.

Christians are not necessarily Catholics.

And speaking for myself, Catholics are often the worst critics of Catholics. If it wasn't for that nun who told me at my masturbatory age of 15 "thinking" about sex was a "sin and you will go to hell", I might never have been the fkg sex **** that I am.

For the record (before the serial antagonist have their say) I have not been taumatized physically by any religious personnel. My younger brother at age 7 got wrist bruises, but I'm sure the ugly old ***** enjoyed it.

[QUOTE=Sleepy Floyd]Catholics are Christians[/QUOTE]

A DNA test on the remains of chess legend Bobby Fischer has determined that he is not the father of a Filipino girl, the girl's lawyer told CNN on Wednesday.


Who knew filipia's lied about stuff like that lol.

Like many others, I was amused by your post. Nevertheless, there is no way to know she "lied".

I hope and expect BF was fkn like crazy in Philippines as well as Iceland. Not to mention Japan. The old goat in Japan (chess pro) actually claimed him as her husband. Some money involved. And people hope.

I find it kind of lame to call all Filipinas liars just because one gal got fkd by a rich guy and got a dna check.

[QUOTE=Freetime]A DNA test on the remains of chess legend Bobby Fischer has determined that he is not the father of a Filipino girl, the girl's lawyer told CNN on Wednesday.

Who knew filipia's lied about stuff like that lol.[/QUOTE]

Hi,

Could anyone please assist me and advise of any transportation (Air Conditioned BUS) from Manila to Angeles City. other than the fly the bus provided by the Swagman hotel. Or if there is a train service or other transportation, Just to save a few bucks instead of paying 2500 plus pesos one way via cab or hotel transfer car. anyone with any info please comment.

There are jeepneys heading to Dau that will take you to AC. Just do a search or rtff.

[QUOTE=Betong]There is a food court in the central section of the ground floor, but I haven't been overly impressed by the food there -- lots of sizzling sisig and that kind of thing, emphasis on cheapness. I think you'll do much better paying a bit more at some of the standalone restaurants there, especially Gerry's Grill.[/QUOTE]

Most (all?) of the filipino specialty restaurants and especially the food courts add MSG to their food.
Gerry's Grill does.
Filipinos call it by the alternative names of "vetsin" or "ajimoto" after the brand name of the huge factory that produces it in Pasig. It is never marketed as MSG - always vetsin or "flavor enhancer".
I now avoid most of these places because I can feel my body reacting badly to the presence of MSG in my food (very dry lips and mouth, tingling upper lip, headache about 3 hours after ingestion).
It is interesting to note that more and more places (inc Korean restaurants) are putting up clear signs saying "No MSG" for those discerning diners who don't wish to have this unnecessary chemical added to food to enhance its taste. The major hotel chains (and I have asked them) like Shangri-la and Crowne Plaza that have international chefs don't use it.

I am NOT starting up a discussion about the merits or otherwise about MSG so those of you who like it can go on enjoying it. I choose to exercise my right to choose NOT to eat it if I can avoid it.

My friend and I usually go the Pasay Bus Terminal and they have buses that leave about every 30 minutes to the Dau bus terminal and then just take a trike to Fields Ave. Be sure to negotiate those pirates. two of us about 200 pesos. The bus ride is about 140 pesos I think around there. Hope this helps. The ride is about one and a half hours.

Hey brothers!

I want to get hold of a woman working in pinkpannter in Sabang.

She is called Grech.

Anyone want to help me so I can get her telephone number?

Alex

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I will be in Angeles with a few buddies in October. Is there a proper Karaoke joint in town where we can bring a few girls for a few hours of fun? I used to go to Blueberry hill but that place closed down. The Vidoke joints behind the Royal Amsterdam hotel are not very good.

[QUOTE=Philosophery]I will be in Angeles with a few buddies in October. Is there a proper Karaoke joint in town where we can bring a few girls for a few hours of fun? I used to go to Blueberry hill but that place closed down. The Vidoke joints behind the Royal Amsterdam hotel are not very good.[/QUOTE]

The yellow building with the restaurant Tequila Reef, just down from Kokomo's on blow row. If you go up the stairs, there is a relatively decent place. Elvie and I beleive Jun and his brother who use to sing at Blueberry Hill work there...if its still operating.

[QUOTE=Aus Dodo]Hi,

Could anyone please assist me and advise of any transportation (Air Conditioned BUS) from Manila to Angeles City. other than the fly the bus provided by the Swagman hotel. Or if there is a train service or other transportation, Just to save a few bucks instead of paying 2500 plus pesos one way via cab or hotel transfer car. anyone with any info please comment.[/QUOTE]


take a North-Bound-Bus either from Cubao or Pasay and hopp off at Dau. Price about 140 pesos.

Cheers!

Hesekiels

[quote=poopbunny]there are jeepneys heading to dau that will take you to ac. .[/quote]must have taken the wrong jeepney on my last time from dau bus terminal to sm mall near fields. flagged down jeepney with fields written on the side on mccarthur ave heading south but they only stopped about 1 block from fields on mcarthur itself. which jeepney from dau bus depot will get me closest to the mall or to the other side of fields --near perimeter, as my hotel (brass knob) is at the other end of fields ?

thanks

[QUOTE=Hesekiels]take a North-Bound-Bus either from Cubao or Pasay and hopp off at Dau. Price about 140 pesos.

Cheers!

Hesekiels[/QUOTE]
Fly the bus from swagman hotel is convenient and safe. The cost was 600 pesos few months ago. It will drop you off to your hotel in AC. If you take the regular bus you will save maybe 300 pesos. It is not worth it. If you take the regular us you need to worry aout your luggage, pick pockets , trike mafia etc.
Take the easy and safe route. you will loose 300 pesos in 5 minutes in AC -a drink for you and the girl.

[QUOTE=Freezone]Must have taken the wrong jeepney on my last time from Dau bus terminal to SM Mall near fields. Flagged down jeepney with Fields written on the side on Mccarthur ave heading south but they only stopped about 1 block from fields on Mcarthur itself. Which jeepney from Dau bus depot will get me closest to the mall or to the other side of fields --near Perimeter, as my hotel (Brass Knob) is at the other end of fields ?

Thanks[/QUOTE]
I heard there is a jeepney from Macarthur that takes you to the checkpoint near Fields. If your hotel is along perimeter that means another jeepney. Most deal with the trike pirates. Either way, not ideal if you have a lot of luggage.

Sammon, have you ever taken the reg bus?

I'm assuming you have and I agree with everything you say. (this is a disclaimer, not for Sammon, but for the members who want to claim that I'm a "constant complainer" or "criticizer" or "troll" or whatever words she is using at the moment.)

I've been to AC many times, but the times that are most memorable are the local bus rides, with the roosters, crying kids, and my own disorientation about where the fk am I and what do I do next. Some people like adventure, and some don't. How much does a taxi go for these days? 2K?

Even Swagman provides adventures...on the return to MNL, decrepit old bus stalled right in the middle of one of the busiest intersections in MM...not far from the Rizal Park area. And last year there were the floods, I was expecting my luggage to be waterlogged when it finally was disgorged in AC. Much to my delight, everything was in order.

X

And some people are on a budget. The bus is not a bad trip.

[QUOTE=Sammon]Fly the bus from swagman hotel is convenient and safe. The cost was 600 pesos few months ago. It will drop you off to your hotel in AC. If you take the regular bus you will save maybe 300 pesos. It is not worth it. If you take the regular us you need to worry aout your luggage, pick pockets , trike mafia etc.
Take the easy and safe route. you will loose 300 pesos in 5 minutes in AC -a drink for you and the girl.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sammon]Fly the bus from swagman hotel is convenient and safe. The cost was 600 pesos few months ago. It will drop you off to your hotel in AC. If you take the regular bus you will save maybe 300 pesos. It is not worth it. If you take the regular us you need to worry about your luggage, pick pockets, trike mafia etc. Take the easy and safe route. you will loose 300 pesos in 5 minutes in AC -a drink for you and the girl.[/QUOTE]


Sure, but 'Aus Dodo' asked explicitly for another option, or am I wrong?

Cheers!


Hesekiels

Does anyone know where to find a Breakfast Buffet on Fields?I know Clarkton has one but that is a bit far out.

Also I am planning on a three week trip does anyone know of a Hotel that has the price range between 1.100-1.400 pesos per night.

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Aus Dodo]Hi,

Could anyone please assist me and advise of any transportation (Air Conditioned BUS) from Manila to Angeles City. other than the fly the bus provided by the Swagman hotel. Or if there is a train service or other transportation, Just to save a few bucks instead of paying 2500 plus pesos one way via cab or hotel transfer car. anyone with any info please comment.[/QUOTE]Was good value and in fact the trip back one day from Clark to the Terminal 2 airport including taxi changes in under 3 hours mid week middle of the day and I was the only one on the bus.

PAMPANGA
AC 164 Clark Pasay/MegaMall 11:30:00
AC 160 Clark Pasay/MegaMall 06:30:00
AC 162 Clark Pasay/MegaMall 07:00:00
AC 166 Clark Pasay/MegaMall 11:00:00
AC 169 Clark Pasay/MegaMall 14:30:00

[url]http://www.philtranco.com.ph/[/url]

[QUOTE=Ezinho]As TW said, Jolly Frog. Emotions has one too, if I remember correctly. Honeyko's out on Perimeter has upstairs rooms and a ST barfine, 750 pesos, at least as of last year.

Don't forget Matrix Brawn, with their 500 pesos BBBJ in the backroom.

Also, you might want to seach for a map of Angeles City on the web and see where all the short time hotels are located. There aren't many, but there are some located around the bars, usually 200-300 pesos for three hours or so.[/QUOTE]Ask for mammasan Jenny to advise you.

About twenty dancers to choose from for takeaways ST and LT.

[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s]Yeah, the name was chosen several years ago, and it was the first thing that came into my mind. But it is a hassle to change the screen name, and everyone knows me by the name, so it sticks.

When my nephew was out here a couple of months ago, I took him around all the bars. Since he was young, and and I tend to like nicer girls, I tried my best to find him a girl that I thought he would like, but I guess I was just trying to find him a girl that I liked. Finally, at about 1:00 am, he puts his arm around me says "uncle, I really appreciate you trying to find me a nice girl, but I have a great girlfriend back home. What I want tonight is a dirty wh*re who will take it up the ass".

I learned alot that night.[/QUOTE]I second a name change as well, (unless you like offending the guys here who love these working girls). I would also think the natives in PI don't appreciate foreigners visiting their homeland and insulting their women. Generalizing is not accurate or cool, imo.

i'm going to pi for the first time next month. i am not into the bar scene as i don't drink much and i just can't see myself buying lady drinks and paying the bar so that a woman can leave. i am into the freelance/disco scene. i was planning on going to ac and staying in pacific breeze. however, after rtff all the way back to 2007, it appears that the fl scene in ac is pretty much non-existent, limited to **** scams, or involves targeting women who's primary job is actually working in stores at the shopping mall. it seems that la cafe in manila would be more my cup of tea. somewhere i can go in, talk a little trash for a few minutes, and leave right out with my prospect. is my conclusion spot on?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]I am not into the bar scene as I don't drink much and I just can't see myself buying lady drinks and paying the bar so that a woman can leave. I am into the freelance/disco scene. I was planning on going to AC and staying in Pacific Breeze...[/QUOTE]Don't go to AC in that case. It's a shit hole filled with dozens of girly bar's. The main attraction of said bar's is they are arguably the cheapest in S.E. Asia & almost all the girls in them bareback without question. This can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on how badly you wish to die of AIDS.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]It seems that LA Cafe in Manila would be more my cup of tea. Somewhere I can go in, talk a little trash for a few minutes, and leave right out with my prospect. Is my conclusion spot on?[/QUOTE]L.A. Cafe [Manila] is way over rated IMHO but if you wish to maintain the pretence that the girl gives a rat's ass about you as a person then it would fit the bill however it is closed pending a routine moral outrage/shakedown operation by the government. Amazonia bar [Manila] nearby has stepped in to fill the void.

There are dozens of non-p4p disco's/bars in Manila where you can chat up girls & drag them off to your hotel. The PI is a third world country where virtually all women are keen to hump you for a chance at gaining a remittance boyfriend or husband. No skill is required. just go to a shopping mall, buy a coffee & wait for them to walk by smiling their 'for hire' smile at you.

If you hit a dry spell in Manila with the non pro's you can always find sex in massage places & the bars of EDSA & Burgos St.

Manila is full of women but it is very crowded/polluted. Maybe think about going to Cebu or Davao, nice beaches, hotels & of course hot & cold running vagina's.

Help ful tips:
The big smiles from the locals are not smiles of friendship, they are smiles of anticipation at how much money they are going to get from you.
Everybody lies to you about everything.
Do not get into arguments with ANYBODY.

You have been warned.

AV

you don't have to drink alcohol, you can order mineral water or soda pop or juice.

since this is your first time, you may not fully understand the ac bar format. in most cases, you still go into a bar, you still need to chat up a lady, and even then you aren't guaranteed you will leave with her. the girls have numerous ways of refusing a customer; on my period, i'm a virgin, i have to meet a friend, etc. in some of the big clubs, a lot of the girls are dancers. those big barfines are to discourage guys. you better have some good lines and a lot of cash if you want to get a "private dancer". (thank you tina turner).

some people who haven't been into these bars somehow imagine brothels where women are in some kind of servitude. this isn't the case. you would be more likely to get, "the owner isn't here tonight, so let me show you two of my assets" (i paraphrase of course).

and some imagination can work too. if a girl hasn't been overtly naughty, i politely ask, "would you like to go get something to eat? " or "is it okay if i pay your bar fine. " treat her like a gf and you'll often get the gfe.

i've done salesclerks and hotel maids in ac, but in each case i set up things on one of the chat sites first. and even then their background turned out to be less than squeaky clean.

although i feel uncomfortable with the negativity of a previous poster, i basically agree with what he says about mnl, cebu, or even davao as possible alternative to ac.

do you have to fly into mnl? how long is your holiday? i suggest you answer these question if you want more information, or more detailed info. x

[quote=mr enternational]i'm going to pi for the first time next month. i am not into the bar scene as i don't drink much and i just can't see myself buying lady drinks and paying the bar so that a woman can leave. i am into the freelance/disco scene. i was planning on going to ac and staying in pacific breeze. however, after rtff all the way back to 2007, it appears that the fl scene in ac is pretty much non-existent, limited to **** scams, or involves targeting women who's primary job is actually working in stores at the shopping mall. it seems that la cafe in manila would be more my cup of tea. somewhere i can go in, talk a little trash for a few minutes, and leave right out with my prospect. is my conclusion spot on?[/quote]

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." - William Shakespeare (Hamlet) This quote comes from Hamlet, Act 3, scene 2, line 254 (line accuracy may differ in varying versions of the play). In this case, "protest" means more of "proclaim" than "argue against". Gertrude says it when Hamlet asks her if she's enjoying the play, in which the Player King and Player Queen act out what Hamlet believes was the murder of his father. On one level, she's critiquing the play by saying the Player Queen has too much to say. On another level, knowing what Hamlet is doing, she's critiquing her son by telling him very subtly that he's got it wrong - at least as matters pertain to her. However, she might not for certain have made the connection with her story yet. It is early in the play and what has happened so far really isn't very much like her story at all. She could simply be making an observation on human behaviour in general. Someone who is telling the truth is usually doing so rather plainly and shortly. Someone who is assuring too much is usually lying either to herself or to the audience. Therefore Gertrude implies that she predicts the Player Queen will break her word. Hamlet seems to interpret her statement in this way since in the next line Hamlet says: "O, but she'll keep her word".

Your reporting could be a little bit of a jaded, slanted view of things, over generalising on Metro Manila with over 10 million people.

If you look at all the forums on ISG, you will see that The Philippines, including Manila and Angeles City get a lot of positive reports and represents great value for money for the majority of people.

IMHO and based upon my twenty plus visits since 2006 and having offices there for business.

Flame On

[QUOTE=Amavida]Don't go to AC in that case. It's a shit hole filled with dozens of girly bar's. The main attraction of said bar's is they are arguably the cheapest in S.E. Asia & almost all the girls in them bareback without question. This can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on how badly you wish to die of AIDS.

L.A. Cafe [Manila] is way over rated IMHO but if you wish to maintain the pretence that the girl gives a rat's ass about you as a person then it would fit the bill however it is closed pending a routine moral outrage/shakedown operation by the government. Amazonia bar [Manila] nearby has stepped in to fill the void.

There are dozens of non-p4p disco's/bars in Manila where you can chat up girls & drag them off to your hotel. The PI is a third world country where virtually all women are keen to hump you for a chance at gaining a remittance boyfriend or husband. No skill is required. just go to a shopping mall, buy a coffee & wait for them to walk by smiling their 'for hire' smile at you.

If you hit a dry spell in Manila with the non pro's you can always find sex in massage places & the bars of EDSA & Burgos St.

Manila is full of women but it is very crowded/polluted. Maybe think about going to Cebu or Davao, nice beaches, hotels & of course hot & cold running vagina's.

Help ful tips:
The big smiles from the locals are not smiles of friendship, they are smiles of anticipation at how much money they are going to get from you.
Everybody lies to you about everything.
Do not get into arguments with ANYBODY.

You have been warned.

AV[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amavida]
Help ful tips:
The big smiles from the locals are not smiles of friendship, they are smiles of anticipation at how much money they are going to get from you.
Everybody lies to you about everything.
Do not get into arguments with ANYBODY.
You have been warned.
AV[/QUOTE]
Why AV, you've become a cynic! Here I honestly thought that the come hither glances of rapturous fascination that I get from twenty-somethings were attributable solely to my dashing good looks, dynamic and fascinating personality, engaging smile and nice clothes. Now you've ruined the Filipina experience for me forever.. Guess I'll just have to go to a less commercial, more honestly up front place like Pattaya.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Here I honestly thought that the come hither glances of rapturous fascination that I get from twenty-somethings were attributable solely to my dashing good looks, dynamic and fascinating personality, engaging smile and nice clothes. Now you've ruined the Filipina experience for me forever.. Guess I'll just have to go to a less commercial, more honestly up front place like Pattaya.

GE[/QUOTE]

Oh My God GE! The profoundness never stops! And here that is what I always thought too! Hm, guess Pattaya it is then LOL. Or maybe that super small fishing village of Patong beach, Phuket. I hear they are unspoiled there. ;)

Thanks to God they are so much less mercenary and more caring about character in Thailand hahahah!

[QUOTE=Burberyman]Does anyone know where to find a Breakfast Buffet on Fields?I know Clarkton has one but that is a bit far out.

Also I am planning on a three week trip does anyone know of a Hotel that has the price range between 1.100-1.400 pesos per night.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]
Clarkton a bit far out??? Where are you from? It is less then 1 1/2 miles down the road. What is your idea of far out?

By far the Clarkton has one of the best breakfast buffets in AC:)

Robb

[QUOTE=Sammon]Fly the bus from swagman hotel is convenient and safe. The cost was 600 pesos few months ago. It will drop you off to your hotel in AC. If you take the regular bus you will save maybe 300 pesos. It is not worth it. If you take the regular us you need to worry aout your luggage, pick pockets , trike mafia etc.
Take the easy and safe route. you will loose 300 pesos in 5 minutes in AC -a drink for you and the girl.[/QUOTE]
I always said no "No Bus" for me, but last month I went to Subic for two days and then AC for three days. My Subic buddy was going up on the Southern Cross bus and so we booked it for 600P! WOW what a great ride. I will ride their bus more.

Robb

[QUOTE=Betong]There is a food court in the central section of the ground floor, but I haven't been overly impressed by the food there -- lots of sizzling sisig and that kind of thing, emphasis on cheapness. I think you'll do much better paying a bit more at some of the standalone restaurants there, especially Gerry's Grill.[/QUOTE]
I always eat that the food court. Good local food and it is fresh! They have many different foods and great Filipino food.

Robb

[QUOTE=Amavida]Don't go to AC in that case. It's a shit hole filled with dozens of girly bar's. The main attraction of said bar's is they are arguably the cheapest in S.E. Asia & almost all the girls in them bareback without question. This can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on how badly you wish to die of AIDS.

[/QUOTE]
I've had quite a few girls in AC that ask to put a condom on.

I don't think the bars are the cheapest in SE Asia.

I agree that it is a bit of a shit hole, but it can be fun at times.

My last visit there, unfortunately was the worst ever. Dry pussies, more runners, and greedier.

[QUOTE=Robbaf]Clarkton a bit far out??? Where are you from? It is less then 1 1/2 miles down the road. What is your idea of far out?

By far the Clarkton has one of the best breakfast buffets in AC:)

Robb[/QUOTE]Well what I meant if there were some buffets on Fields somwhere between Paradise Beer Garden and the Mall? I guess 1 1/2 miles is not far if you take a trike less you are up to a nice walk early in the morning!

Amjeck is on target. AC has changed. It has become more expensive, everything needs to be negotiate up front and then half will not be completed. Short time, one hour or less in hotel, if that is the plan, can cost you, serveal drinks before you leave to the hotel for girl, hostess and friends than bar fine plus tip can add up to 2-3k fast. Long time if that is what you call it today means hitting a few bars, drinks and a meal than back to hotel by 3 AM fun and leaving at 6 AM this can set you back a nice 3-5K dependent on meal and drinks. BB if that is possible best be negotiated up front most will not go with you when you ask and the communication will be on the fields net before you leave the club that is what you look for with a girl. Now there is the exception to all of this if the girl see you as a weeks meal ticket. That will certainly cost you. Smile and have fun.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I've had quite a few girls in AC that ask to put a condom on.

I don't think the bars are the cheapest in SE Asia.

I agree that it is a bit of a shit hole, but it can be fun at times.

My last visit there, unfortunately was the worst ever. Dry pussies, more runners, and greedier.[/QUOTE]A newbie here, a question for all you mongers.

Where in your humble opinion is the cheapest fun place in SE Asia?

[QUOTE=Strikesfun]Amjeck is on target. AC has changed. It has become more expensive, everything needs to be negotiate up front and then half will not be completed. Short time, one hour or less in hotel,[/QUOTE]
I thought it was just me, but after talking to others I've found that it is indeed a change for the worse. Not the end of the world, but definately requires much more work than before. My biggest surprise is the lack of young good looking girls available now. Sure there are still sexy girls over 22yo, but if you like the 18-20 yo group, slim and hot, then it's really slim pickings.

All in all, not as much bang for your buck in AC anymore.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]All in all, not as much bang for your buck in AC anymore.[/QUOTE]
Too bad, somehow I have to agree with this.
Cheers!

[QUOTE=Robbaf]Clarkton a bit far out??? Where are you from? It is less then 1 1/2 miles down the road. What is your idea of far out?

By far the Clarkton has one of the best breakfast buffets in AC:)

Robb[/QUOTE]Some of us don't like to waste time :D
When I'm there I stay in Central Park or Doll's House. Minimum walking time. Maximum shagging time hehehehe ;)

AV

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I thought it was just me, but after talking to others I've found that it is indeed a change for the worse. Not the end of the world, but definately requires much more work than before. My biggest surprise is the lack of young good looking girls available now. Sure there are still sexy girls over 22yo, but if you like the 18-20 yo group, slim and hot, then it's really slim pickings.

All in all, not as much bang for your buck in AC anymore.[/QUOTE]YMMV but when Im in the mood for an adult playground to screw an endless conga line of young women in the shortest possible time with minimum outlay of money, AC is my 'goto' place. Never had a runner or dud. Never ever had the subject of condom raised by a girl. Absolutely never ever had trouble attracting pretty little young spinners.

I don't approach them like a meat merchant & always have a little gift for them the next morning. They line up for seconds.. I ride to the airport with 3 at a time all trying for a last minute farewell fuck right there in the taxi.

One guy will say the bar's are empty, an hour later the bar's are full. Its AC. Relax.

AV

[quote=strikesfun]amjeck is on target. ac has changed. it has become more expensive, everything needs to be negotiate up front and then half will not be completed. short time, one hour or less in hotel, if that is the plan, can cost you, serveal drinks before you leave to the hotel for girl, hostess and friends than bar fine plus tip can add up to 2-3k fast. long time if that is what you call it today means hitting a few bars, drinks and a meal than back to hotel by 3 am fun and leaving at 6 am this can set you back a nice 3-5k dependent on meal and drinks. bb if that is possible best be negotiated up front most will not go with you when you ask and the communication will be on the fields net before you leave the club that is what you look for with a girl. now there is the exception to all of this if the girl see you as a weeks meal ticket. that will certainly cost you. smile and have fun.[/quote]somewhat. was in ac a few weeks ago. regarding negotiating upfront, yes, i think it needs to be done, for clarity and no surprises later. but in the years that i've been going there, no ac bargirl has suggested, in the bar, after hearing my list of needs, that i pay her more for it (needed tip) than the barfine. i ask first if she's interested in barfining (never offer to barfine before you are sure that she's interested in it with you). she will say yes, or no. if no, the reason is unimportant to me (period, doesn't barfine at all, etc.), and she's back to the dance line. if yes, i run through my list of needs: x, y, z. most girls are fine with these and off we go. if she balks at any of them, she will either acquiesce and agree shortly after, or i turn her loose so i can look for another girl (so many to choose from). i have yet to have one say, "i need 500 for anal." she just will refuse, and will be back in the dance line shortly. i dont usually buy the girls drinks, either. breakfast with her is more my thing, but i plan that as part of my evening/morning with her. so, she's getting p700 (half the barfine) plus possible breakfast plus my typical p100 for tryke the next day.

regarding age. i chatted bunches of girls who were 18-20, but yes, there seem to be fewer. also on the increase: the chubs, the 20-25 year-old with recent child. clear to spot from the belly and larger boobage. a clear (but minor) change in the decrease in young spinners. hitting a few bars and dinner is part of my evening anyway, so this is par. however, i also have a few non-bar lady friends in ac, who are often glad to spend the night with me for nothing. i don't stay out past midnight very often (partypooper) unless i'm with buddies, and my girls stay till later in the morning.

[quote=mr enternational]i'm going to pi for the first time next month. i am not into the bar scene as i don't drink much and i just can't see myself buying lady drinks and paying the bar so that a woman can leave. i am into the freelance/disco scene. i was planning on going to ac and staying in pacific breeze. however, after rtff all the way back to 2007, it appears that the fl scene in ac is pretty much non-existent, limited to **** scams, or involves targeting women who's primary job is actually working in stores at the shopping mall. it seems that la cafe in manila would be more my cup of tea. somewhere i can go in, talk a little trash for a few minutes, and leave right out with my prospect. is my conclusion spot on?[/quote]

yes, i think your conclusion is spot on. if one is looking for an active freelance scene, i don't think angeles would be my recommendation. too many scams connected to what little exists here, and in the end one is only getting a criminal or off-work bar girl. i thought la cafe was closed, but i don't follow it that closely, maybe it re-opened. manila has a large number of high end disco's and would think chances of picking up a pro, semi pro would be much better.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I thought it was just me, but after talking to others I've found that it is indeed a change for the worse. Not the end of the world, but definately requires much more work than before. My biggest surprise is the lack of young good looking girls available now. Sure there are still sexy girls over 22yo, but if you like the 18-20 yo group, slim and hot, then it's really slim pickings.

All in all, not as much bang for your buck in AC anymore.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps your tastes have changed to the point of being much more selective than you may have been in the past. With very low tourist numbers there are more girls available than anytime I've seen in the past. With the low numbers of tourists, most girls are much less selective than in the past, in many cases meaning you don't have to be the first in the door when the bar opens to get quality. Buying patterns have also changed, many less guys taking five and six girls at a time, rather settling on one for the evening.

What is different right now, due to continual police pressure, is that all the bars are behaving very conservative. Little to no door girls, where there use to be hundreds on the street. All the girls keeping very covered up on the stage, no body shots and other cavorting in the customer booths.

I think the bang for your buck is here, the prices have not changed and the girls are still willing. But in bar parties are much subdued. There are plenty of 18 to 20 year olds on both Perimeter and Fields, but just mathmatically girls older than 20 have always outnumbered those under 20. One also has to wade through the always present Cherry girls that populate that age group.

I always find it amusing though, when tourists talk about over 20 year olds being too old for consideration. Coming from home countries where they could not get to the starting gates in getting a 22 year old to even look at them.

[QUOTE=Matius]

I always find it amusing though, when tourists talk about over 20 year olds being too old for consideration. Coming from home countries where they could not get to the starting gates in getting a 22 year old to even look at them.[/QUOTE]
I'm always surprised when guys travel half way across the world only to buy what they could get back home. Half the reason to spend you cash is so you can get what you normally couldn't get back home.

I personally can get 22 yo and older girls for free quite often. It's the young 18-19 yo market I can't for free and that is why I pay for them.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I've had quite a few girls in AC that ask to put a condom on.

I don't think the bars are the cheapest in SE Asia.

I agree that it is a bit of a shit hole, but it can be fun at times.

My last visit there, unfortunately was the worst ever. Dry pussies, more runners, and greedier.[/QUOTE]
Very few girls insist on Condom in AC. Some bars give out condoms to the girl when she is barfined. Most are small size. I take my own supply.
By far I have seen only in AC you can have sex without condoms. Rest of the world including Thailand insist on condoms. Ofcourse if you get "normal" girls anywhere after a while they will let you fuck without condoms.
I really do not know why AC bar owners do not teach safe sex to these girls. I have seen many knocked up by one night barfine and they have to leave and depend on their family to take care of the child. Ofcourse by talking to girls I have learned none take birth control pills or depo shots to prevent unwanted pregnancy. It almost looks like they want to be single mothers as quick as possible. None of the girls seem worried about contracting a disease. I guess they feel hygiene check is good enough. I am sure they thoroughly clean their private parts before a hygiene check. How could a simple swab will pick up anything? Cursory visual check also will not detect anything.
Luckily AIDS is not prevalent in AC. Hopefully!

[QUOTE=Westcoast1] If no, the reason is unimportant to me (period, doesn't barfine at all, etc.), and she's back to the dance line. If yes, I run through my list of needs: x, y, z. Most girls are fine with these and off we go. If she balks at any of them, she will either acquiesce and agree shortly after, or I turn her loose so I can look for another girl (so many to choose from). I have yet to have one say, "I need 500 for anal." She just will refuse, and will be back in the dance line shortly. [/QUOTE]I handle things differently. When a girl says "no", I think "maybe". When a girl says "yes" right of the bat, I figure she is probably saying yes to a different guy every night, and is worn out by the end of her second week at the bar. I have found that the best girls are the ones you have to work for. Sometimes it can take two or three drinks to change her mind, or sometimes you will have to see her two or three different nights before she will go with you. But in the end, generally, the harder I have to work for a girl, the better the sex will be.

And while a girl will never tell you she wants more money for Anal, or an extra 500 pesos just to go with you, when a girl says "no", offering her more money will often change her mind.

Lets take my barfine last night as an example. It was from the Office bar in Subic, but it could have been any bar in Angeles.

So I see a particularly hot girl. Call her down, and she gets me hard almost instantly. A super tight body, and a real catch if I can get her. I am getting good vibes, but I can tell that she is a real selective type. While she is grinding me, I start talking to the manager who is sitting next to me. All of a sudden, she goes cold. From experience, I knew exactly why; she had no intention of going with me, but did not want to be leading a friend of the manager on, and then saying no, and possibly causing and awkward situation in front of her boss. So I ask her to bafine, and I get the "my dick is too big" excuse. Now, to be honest, that is my absolutely FAVORITE response from a girl. If she says "menstration", then I have nowhere to go. If she says "I'm a cherry", then I know that I probably won't be fucking her tonight. If she says "I never go out with customers", then it is a long upward climb. But the "too big" excuse tells me she does sometimes go out, and most likely, she will have a tight pussy. And I LOVE a tight pussy! So I start on the pursuation thing, and when I am not getting anywhere, I say "how about I give you a big tip", to which she thinks about it for a moment and says "ok, but I have to leave at 2:00 am". BINGO.

So back in the hotel, I find out I was right on. Her pussy was super, SUPER tight, and she turned out to be very accomoding and quite a nice girl. I banged her twice, in about an hour, which is rare for me as after I blow my load, I am typically done until the morning. But she was so damn hot, that I was up for another round almost immediately.

So the point is, just because a girl says no, it is no reason to send her back. In fact, I generally consider it a good thing. And if I took no for an answer last night, I would have missed out on a truly spectactular fuck!

And as for the tip, I gave her a 1, 000 pesos and she was very happy. She never mentioned an amount and I could have just given her 500P, but I offered her a big tip, and she certainly held up her end of the bargain, so she desearved it.

What are the beach options near AC? I will be visiting a friend or 3 in AC soon and want to take them to a good beach within driving distance. Don't want to fly them to Baracay. I would prefer a white sand beach with blue water and shade for shagging in the bushes. Any place like that around Luzon?

[QUOTE=Gallantnitez]What are the beach options near AC? I will be visiting a friend or 3 in AC soon and want to take them to a good beach within driving distance. Don't want to fly them to Baracay. I would prefer a white sand beach with blue water and shade for shagging in the bushes. Any place like that around Luzon?[/QUOTE] Subic Bay is in driving distance of AC, not sure of the quality of the sand though.

[QUOTE=Gallantnitez]What are the beach options near AC?[/QUOTE]
Yes if you are relying on the bus, then is the Subic Bay area, with Baloy Beach and Barrio Baretto. Lots of info in the Subic forum about that.

If you have your own ride, have a look at Pundaquit, Zambales, near San Antonio (Zambales). Also called Pundaquit beach. There is at least one nice resort you can stay at there: Punta De Uian Resort. There is a web site with info on that. I bet if you contact them they would arrange transportation for you. Also a place called Canoe Beach Resort. If you stay at any of these please white a report, as I suspect they may be suffering for business, or already closed.

Also suppose to be a nice trip (in season) to the uninhabited Capones Island from there. I have in mind trying an overnight there some day.

South of there Anuangin Beach and cove looks very quiet, seems popular with nature photographers.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I'm always surprised when guys travel half way across the world only to buy what they could get back home. Half the reason to spend you cash is so you can get what you normally couldn't get back home.

I personally can get 22 yo and older girls for free quite often. It's the young 18-19 yo market I can't for free and that is why I pay for them.[/QUOTE]So you fly half way around the world. Spend about 3k USD

Just to fuck girls 2 or 3 years younger than what you get all day for free back home. Thats crazy. JMHO Unless the ones back home are fat ugly bulldog looking women. Then I understand.

[QUOTE=Sammon]Very few girls insist on Condom in AC. [/QUOTE]
All of the girls I've had that asked to use a condom were from the bigger bars and some were the 3000p girls. Not sure if there is a correlation or not.

[QUOTE=Lopkx]Subic Bay is in driving distance of AC, not sure of the quality of the sand though.[/QUOTE]

The sand contains black volcanic particles so it seems "dirty" and when sun shines it instantly becomes hot as hell.

[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s]I handle things differently. When a girl says "no", I think "maybe". When a girl says "yes" right of the bat, I figure she is probably saying yes to a different guy every night, and is worn out by the end of her second week at the bar. I have found that the best girls are the ones you have to work for. Sometimes it can take two or three drinks to change her mind, or sometimes you will have to see her two or three different nights before she will go with you. But in the end, generally, the harder I have to work for a girl, the better the sex will be.

And while a girl will never tell you she wants more money for Anal, or an extra 500 pesos just to go with you, when a girl says "no", offering her more money will often change her mind.[/QUOTE]To each his own. I prefer to take girls willing to do my thing. Working to get her to see it my way is usually a waste of time (if she doesn't do anal, she doesn't do it). If she does, but plays hard to get... have a good evening hun. Can you send your couzin over that does?

[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s]And as for the tip, I gave her a 1, 000 pesos and she was very happy. She never mentioned an amount and I could have just given her 500P, but I offered her a big tip[/QUOTE]You gave her more in tip (1000) than she made (p700) on the p1400 barfine. If she's the hottie you claim, she might have short-timed another gent just before she met you, and was sore, hence unwilling and playing hard-to-get, driving your price up. She might have been willing to go with a different customer for the cost of the barfine alone. Nobody knows.

[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s]and she certainly held up her end of the bargain, so she desearved it.[/QUOTE]What end of the bargain? To go with you for a big tip? That's not a bargain (its just the opposite). She short-timed you for the cost of a barfine (that's no bargain). She made out like a bandita. So many other girls were willing to go with you (and spend the entire night, and perform 2x), for just the cost of the barfine. Of course, maybe Subic is like Burgos/Makati, where the girls only go for large tip + large barfine? In which case, there is no bargain.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]All of the girls I've had that asked to use a condom were from the bigger bars and some were the 3000p girls. Not sure if there is a correlation or not.[/QUOTE]Of all the gf's, bargirls, mall pickups, chatmates, etc. Only 3 pinay ever mentioned a condom. Well, two mentioned it by asking if I preferred it, and one insisted (an AC bargirl). A whopping three.

White whale has described the sand, bring slippers / booties. I just got back from Enoshima beach (japan)...damn hot with all the Fuji volcanic ash -- black sand.

Subic Bay is also a bit industrial, and you do find quite a bit of garbage on the beach. Nevertheless, if you like shagging outdoors, this may be the place for you. Blue Rock or Orchid have pools and beach access.

In the past folks have recommended the La Union beaches as a viable AC alternative. It's been 30 years since I've been there, so hope you give it a try and report back.

X

[QUOTE=Gallantnitez]What are the beach options near AC? I will be visiting a friend or 3 in AC soon and want to take them to a good beach within driving distance. Don't want to fly them to Baracay. I would prefer a white sand beach with blue water and shade for shagging in the bushes. Any place like that around Luzon?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sammon]

Very few girls insist on Condom in AC. Some bars give out condoms to the girl when she is barfined. Most are small size. I take my own supply.
I really do not know why AC bar owners do not teach safe sex to these girls.

[/QUOTE]

When the US was running Clark AB, USAF nurses/medics would teach classes the girls had to attend before starting work. There was a deal with the mayor's office. The USAF would provide the classes and the mayor would not allow the girls to get IDs without the training. I accidentally walked into a bar while a class was going on and slipped back out.

I never used a condom so the training was not effective. I was clipped so no little ones left behind. Was lucky, only caught NSU twice and nothing worse.

Slim

[QUOTE=Matius]Yes, I think your conclusion is spot on. If one is looking for an active freelance scene, I don't think Angeles would be my recommendation. Too many scams connected to what little exists here, and in the end one is only getting a criminal or off-work bar girl. I thought LA Cafe was closed, but I don't follow it that closely, maybe it re-opened. Manila has a large number of high end disco's and would think chances of picking up a pro, semi pro would be much better.[/QUOTE]
Only Freelancers I found are in Skytrax Disco. Many are there after they do ST with somebody. Most are bargirls and occasionally you can find normal girls in groups. You maye able to talk,dance with them but I would think sex with them is a drawn out affair if you get luckly. There are obvious hookers known to the staff there. Is it a good idea to pick them up?
Use your own common sense. I have gone there many times to dance with my barfine. Never alone.
There are girls in groups walking on fields who are available. But it takes little daring to proposition them. I have picked a sweetie one time who was a ex bargirl but had to take off to give birth. Only problem was she was available only for st since she needs to go home by morning. I was having something to eat at Moe's and her and her friends wallked up and down couple of times. She was the only pretty one in the group. She smiled and I motioned her to come in. She sat with me and the deal was done. I would not recommend this because of the scams in AC. Better to leave the streetwalkers alone.

[QUOTE=Amavida]YMMV but when Im in the mood for an adult playground to screw an endless conga line of young women in the shortest possible time with minimum outlay of money, AC is my 'goto' place. Never had a runner or dud..

AV[/QUOTE]I think you are either a very lucky guy or you have a special built in 6th sense that detect the hidden soon to be dud and runners. Tpp bad I don't have your 6th sense and have to rely on my own instincts and questions to the chicks.

I am not a newbie on the monger scene as I frequent Thailand mostly in the past and now transitioning to PI. My last trip to AC was only a few days and despite all the smiles and all the "yes" to questions of LT (and in from of their mamas) I had 2 runners. One said she had to be home to care for her family, even though in the bar she said her family was in Manila? Another said she had a clinic check she had forgotten, even though I did ask her this question at the bar. As a newbie to this forum (but not to mongering) I don't want to come off putting down the place , but just wanted to post reality.

Oh yes, about 1/2 the chicks insisted on condoms whereas when I monger in LOS. it was about 95% insisted on condoms.

Cheers,

FZ

[QUOTE=Nnevski]A newbie here, a question for all you mongers.

Where in your humble opinion is the cheapest fun place in SE Asia?[/QUOTE]If you can find the local brothels (although not many remains in PP) I would have to say Cambodia. Last time out, it was $4-5 for a starfish f*ck. Also note that they are NOT the prettiest but a few were passable, or at least enough to get your woody up.

FZ

[QUOTE=Sammon]Very few girls insist on Condom in AC.[/QUOTE]
Not sure which bars you guys have been going to but 4 out of 5 BF on my last trip actually initiated condom use.

Maybe I only pick the "good wholesome girls."

LOL

I just walked by the La Cafe. It is boarded up. Definently closed. What a pity. Good memories there.

[QUOTE=Freezone]I think you are either a very lucky guy or you have a special built in 6th sense that detect the hidden soon to be dud and runners. Tpp bad I don't have your 6th sense and have to rely on my own instincts and questions to the chicks.

I am not a newbie on the monger scene as I frequent Thailand mostly in the past and now transitioning to PI. My last trip to AC was only a few days and despite all the smiles and all the "yes" to questions of LT (and in from of their mamas) I had 2 runners. One said she had to be home to care for her family, even though in the bar she said her family was in Manila? Another said she had a clinic check she had forgotten, even though I did ask her this question at the bar. As a newbie to this forum (but not to mongering) I don't want to come off putting down the place , but just wanted to post reality.

Oh yes, about 1/2 the chicks insisted on condoms whereas when I monger in LOS. it was about 95% insisted on condoms.

Cheers,

FZ[/QUOTE]FZ,

Good post. As I've said before about the condom, its almost unheard of for my past bargirls, chatmates, streetwalkers, mall pickups to ever mention a condom. They seem uncaring in filipines.

The runner. If the girl said or confirmed in front of the mamasan that she would stay a period of time, or perform an act, you have one of the few legit reasons to complain. Bars hate giving money back, its a bad precedent. The complaint will be met with the mama or bar manager confirming with the girl that she actually left early, and that you were not abusive. If this is the case, twice in the past (and almost one more time recently in Cebu, Sister's bar on Mango), the mama insisted that the girl finish her time with me the following evening. Once in Gecko's (last year), and once in Body Shop (two years ago), I got the same girl the following night after she ran. Both times there was quite a chewing. In Gecko's it was the mamasan doing the chewing on the runner. In BS it was an older waitress and the manager. They DON'T like girls who lie, either about the time, or about a particular naughty act. I previously dated an older waitress at BS and she had told me some bar procedures, including runners/liar girls, and even how they herd the girls for the weekly medical appointments. In each case, I got the girl the second night for an agreed period of time (the length of time she owes). My former waitress gf from BS told me that a girl who gets caught like this twice gets sacked.

Am I the only one who has had the bar make a girl repeat? Am I the only one who complains? I also understand the bars have a bunch of reasons to not deal with a complaining customer (if you were abusive or really drunk, or you initiated a naughty act that surprised the girl, if you offered the girl drugs, etc). Another reason they have for not dealing with a complaining customer is if the customer does not spell out to the girl in the bar what he expects before they leave. If he just asks her to barfine, and she goes with him, she is free to walk away from him at anytime once you leave the bar (although bars will be understanding if there is not at least one pop). My former gf told me that often a guy would come in and complain that his barfine left early, like by midnight. The manager would ask if he confirmed with her a specified time before leaving the bar. "Ah... well, no." Sorry, and have a good evening, mate. I think a lot of guys leave themselves open to abuse from the bargirl by not being specific (its not romantic to be specific). But, since you are a customer (nothing more to her or the bar), its a business. She has little reason to respect you if she does not like you (remember, she does not like most of her customers -- they are 2-3x her age).

FZ, I will PM you.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]So you fly half way around the world. Spend about 3k USD

Just to fuck girls 2 or 3 years younger than what you get all day for free back home. Thats crazy. JMHO Unless the ones back home are fat ugly bulldog looking women. Then I understand.[/QUOTE]
I've found that in SE Asia (especially PI) most anything over 25yo can be had for free. 22-25, some are free some are not. Anything younger and you pretty much got to pay for it, unless you want to go through a roller coaster ride and waste time trying to score.

A lot of guys traveling to SE Asia don't understand that mid twenties is considered old in SE Asia and those girls are in less demand by Asian men. It's the young hotties that are in high demand and that is why you hardly see a large number of them. Most of these hotties get grabbed fast and/or sponsored up right away.

Everybody has their own preference and if you tend to like the mid-twenty and up group then you can save lots of money banging away in SE Asia. These girls clocks are ticking and need men much more than the young ones do.

FZ,

I'm having trouble PMing you.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1]the mama insisted that the girl finish her time with me the following evening.[/QUOTE]Wow, I bet that creates a great mood . . . not.

Maybe after long years in this hobby I've gotten too easy-going and philosophical, but I don't negotiate services or time period. I just find girls I like, pay the barfine, and see what happens. Sometimes they want to go after one round, sometimes they want to move in for the rest of their lives. It's the luck of the draw, and you never know until you bring her back and spend some time together.

Each to his own, but personally if I found a girl disappointing, I'm not about to take her again, not even for free. Life is too short and the money involved just isn't that much. Runner? Dud? Just go back out and find another. The supply is almost endless, and the more you try the more likely you'll eventually strike gold.

[QUOTE=Betong]Wow, I bet that creates a great mood . . . not.[/QUOTE]The girl from BS was fine, but the girl from Geckos was on her night off. The mama was steaming mad at her, and a txting argument between the mama and girl came about when I complained in the bar. The girl and mama would txt, and mama would explain to me each txt the girl sent. The mama wanted specifics from me, what time did she leave, why, how much time did she owe, etc. When I told mama 5-6 hours, she told the girl to come to my hotel (central park), meet in the lobby, and stay 7 hours with me. Also the bar bought my drink (well, I never paid for it) as the mama was txtig the girl. Once at CP, she was initially very unhappy; she said she had been busy doing her laundry. We did not session during the time, it was about 9pm when she showed up. She followed me to a bar for a bit then back to the room, we showered and watched TV. She had lightened up in mood, but I wan't randy for it. We fell asleep. Stupid girl was still there in the morning when I woke up, sound asleep, she had spent more time than needed at that point.

If the girl was willing to bolt when I had her naked pic in camera, I'm sure she was a regular bolter. Bet she won't do that again, and it makes her coworkers less likely to do that to other gents, as the it was clear in the bar in front of everyone what the mama was making the girl do. Is this a bit anal, making the girl come back? Yes. But it also protects all of us from runners.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1]Of all the gf's, bargirls, mall pickups, chatmates, etc. Only 3 pinay ever mentioned a condom. Well, two mentioned it by asking if I preferred it, and one insisted (an AC bargirl). A whopping three.[/QUOTE]The big bar like Crystal Palace will give condom to the girls. If you are not condom friendly, better get the small bar girl.

[QUOTE=Gallantnitez]What are the beach options near AC? I will be visiting a friend or 3 in AC soon and want to take them to a good beach within driving distance. Don't want to fly them to Baracay. I would prefer a white sand beach with blue water and shade for shagging in the bushes. Any place like that around Luzon?[/QUOTE]Only the Subic Bay is 1 hour distance, and it is not a white sand beach. All good beach is about 4-5 hours from AC. At the south, you have the Laiya Beach & Anilao(diving heaven) at Batangas. The north you have Pangasinan & Hundred Islands. Laiya have some very good resort. A favorite place of the Manila family.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1]Bet she won't do that again, and it makes her coworkers less likely to do that to other gents, as the it was clear in the bar in front of everyone what the mama was making the girl do. Is this a bit anal, making the girl come back? Yes. But it also protects all of us from runners.[/QUOTE]Thanks for giving them a lesson that not all are willing to roll over and be taken for suckers.

BTW: with the 1st runner I got in AC, I did go back to the bar and complain to the mama (although the runner was not there-perhaps she was having fun at the disco or sacking up with her sugardaddy-who knows). The mama just listen to what I had to say and did confirm she did hear me tell her the girl was suppose to stay until at least 9am. Bottom line, the mama just listen and did nothing. I do remember her saying it happens sometimes and she can't control the fact that her girl had to leave for "a personal emergency" and then she try to divert attention to me by saying maybe it was because I had done something wrong to her girl?.again, just putting the blame on me and excusing the girl. Sounded like the mama had some practice with runners and then not having to payback or waste her (and the girls) time. Also, during all this time, never even offer me a beer (being paid by me or for free).

So, when the 2nd girl bolted, I just said f*ck it and let her go and didn't bother to complain as I thought this was how business was done in AC.

Just a note, both bolters were from different bars. The 1st was from Cambodia bar and the 2nd was from Body Shop.

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Thank you West Coast1 for trying to PM me, but I am still new to this forum and checking it out for a little while longer to see if this is the place for me. So when the time cums, then I'll be a paying member with all the privileges like the rest of you guys.

Cheers all,

FZ

[QUOTE=Westcoast1]But it also protects all of us from runners.[/QUOTE]Well, it's a good cause and no doubt you've helped improve things a bit, at least at one bar for a little while.

I just suspect that, like it or not, we're in the midst a major shift in the whole scene in AC. The new generation of girls just isn't as motivated to spend the whole night (or even to go with customers -- some seem quite content just to collect their little salaries and drink receipts). The mamasans are from a generation that took the all-night thing seriously, so they do get upset when the girls don't. But ultimately it's the girls who will shape the way things work, and the trend now seems clear. Exactly what we saw in Bangkok starting about 15 years ago, Pattaya about ten years ago, and now Manila too. Always seems to happen about the time bargirls start sporting nicer cellphones than their customers . . . .

This is the probably the best guide I stumbled upon.
Includes satellite images

[url]http://fieldsavenue.info/transport3.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Freezone]Must have taken the wrong jeepney on my last time from Dau bus terminal to SM Mall near fields. Flagged down jeepney with Fields written on the side on Mccarthur ave heading south but they only stopped about 1 block from fields on Mcarthur itself. Which jeepney from Dau bus depot will get me closest to the mall or to the other side of fields --near Perimeter, as my hotel (Brass Knob) is at the other end of fields ?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Betong]Wow, I bet that creates a great mood . . . not.

Maybe after long years in this hobby I've gotten too easy-going and philosophical, but I don't negotiate services or time period. I just find girls I like, pay the barfine, and see what happens. Sometimes they want to go after one round, sometimes they want to move in for the rest of their lives. It's the luck of the draw, and you never know until you bring her back and spend some time together.

Each to his own, but personally if I found a girl disappointing, I'm not about to take her again, not even for free. Life is too short and the money involved just isn't that much. Runner? Dud? Just go back out and find another. The supply is almost endless, and the more you try the more likely you'll eventually strike gold.[/QUOTE]Absolutely right Betong. This anal insistence on forcing a girl to stay ranks right up there with screaming at local taxi drivers over the equivalent of $2 fare variance.. No wonder I have such a nice time there with no 'runners'. I don't approach them like hookers (they are) and dont treat them like that when I'm with them.

AV

[QUOTE=Betong]

I just suspect that, like it or not, we're in the midst a major shift in the whole scene in AC. The new generation of girls just isn't as motivated to spend the whole night (or even to go with customers -- some seem quite content just to collect their little salaries and drink receipts). [/QUOTE]
The tide has turned and AC has a different flow to it now. Nothing stays the same forever.

Also, I hear lots of girls are working the internet these days and making more money than if they work in the bars. I bet that is one of the reasons for the decline of quality younger girls.

It's still not a bad spot to hang out in once in awhile, but there are better places in SE Asia to spend money in and get a bit more value.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]The tide has turned and AC has a different flow to it now. Nothing stays the same forever.

Also, I hear lots of girls are working the internet these days and making more money than if they work in the bars. I bet that is one of the reasons for the decline of quality younger girls.

It's still not a bad spot to hang out in once in awhile, but there are better places in SE Asia to spend money in and get a bit more value.[/QUOTE]

AC is one of a kind. It is hard to find young unjaded hookers anywhere in one small street. And the bars take it very seriously to customer comfort, routine of their shows etc. In Pattaya they couldn't care less.
As I have seen in AC there is a constant turn around of fresh girls. Very few girls stay and work in AC bars more than a few years. The mamasans do a good job recruiting more girls from the countryside.
Anyway the old adage of once barfined stay with the customer till morning seems to have vanished. Now the girls have learned their rights under the invisible barfine law. They have also learned no customer or bar can legally force them to do what they do not want to do. Besides they can easily find a new job in another bar if the bar people fire her. Many have found sponsors and quite happy to get regular salary plus an occassional barfine to satisfy their needs but they are very picky who they choose. Now it is important that the mongers be very nice to the girls they barfine and will be rewarded. AC girls are still non-dicriminatory about age,height, weight, national origin.
Have fun when it lasts!

[quote=poopbunny]this is the probably the best guide i stumbled upon.
includes satellite images

[url]http://fieldsavenue.info/transport3.html[/url][/quote]ha, thanks but i already had this web site and info from before on my last trip and thats how i ended up only on the corner of fields and mccarther. i was staying at brass knobs which borders fields/ perimeter and any jeepney that went to checkpoint would've been only a few min walk.

the jeepneys that left me on fields and mccarth., in the end i still have to take the dreadful trike to my hotel. that's why i just wanted to know if there was a jeepney from dau that went to the other end of fields.

cheers

fz (i mean cheapass)

any of you guys see the latest news on ac. i'll repost it here.

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angeles city cidg unit sacked amid extort raps
by ding cervantes (the philippine star) updated august 23, 2010 12:00 am

angeles city, philippines – the entire force of the criminal investigation and detection group (cidg) in this city has been relieved effective today amid allegations of frame-ups and extortion of operators of tourism-oriented businesses here.

chief superintendent leon nilo de la cruz, cidg chief based at camp crame, told the star that he has relieved chief inspector randy glenn silvio and the other cidg personnel here from their posts after foreigners and other local investors, who have grown tired of the extortion, sought the help of mayor edgardo pamintuan.

“i ordered their relief pending their investigation and they will all be replaced immediately,” de la cruz said.

citing reports, pamintuan said among the recent victims were the managers of a bar who were allegedly asked by cidg men to shell out p600,000 so they would not be charged for supposedly employing minors.

pamintuan asked de la cruz to investigate reports that the local cidg men recently staged “raids” on bars to allegedly extort from their owners.

he cited one case wherein cidg men raided a nightspot a day after one of their “assets” convinced the bar manager to employ a girl who turned out to be under 18 years old.

during the raid, the cidg men cited the employment of the **** girl as basis for a criminal complaint against the bar, but offered not to file any charge in exchange for a considerable amount of cash.

pampanga first district rep. carmelo lazatin, for his part, said he has been receiving reports on the extortion activities of local cidg men for over a year now.

he said one of the victims was his korean friend who was allegedly fleeced by the cidg men of his rolex watch, another watch worth p300,000 and a complete golf set.

“i urged the victims to file formal complaints, but despite my assurance that i would back them up, their fear for their safety prompted them to leave the country instead,” lazatin said.
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[QUOTE=Ttriumph48]I just walked by the La Cafe. It is boarded up. Definently closed. What a pity. Good memories there.[/QUOTE]


Don't think its dead so relive those memories is now possible, it was reopen yesterday under a different name= Manila Bay


Shark

[QUOTE=Sharka] their fear for their safety prompted them to leave the country instead,” Lazatin said. __________________[/QUOTE]
In the aftermath of the tragi-comedy of the bus hijacking fiasco, the bottom has fallen out of the tourism sector here. Articles like this will provide additional nails in the coffin. It seems the greed, incompetence and pervasive corruption of virtually every sector of the country are finally coming to the attention of the world's public, and that the knowledge is no longer restricted to the donor governments. Who knows? Maybe the general public in this sad, failed country will finally cry "enough," and start to demand some radical change.

GE

[QUOTE=Amavida]Absolutely right Betong. This anal insistence on forcing a girl to stay ranks right up there with screaming at local taxi drivers over the equivalent of $2 fare variance.. No wonder I have such a nice time there with no 'runners'. I don't approach them like hookers (they are) and dont treat them like that when I'm with them.

AV[/QUOTE]Two sides of the coin. One view is that if a girl runs, let her go, get another one tomorrow. The other view is, they are hookers (as AV says), and I'm paying them specifically to perform evening, morning, and having breakfast with me. A $2 taxi discrepancy is not the same as a $40 girl who runs. Few gents understand that many bars have recourse for this kind of thing. I too have girls that stay longer than expected (my runners are rare). However, as I sit at Kokomos and have lunch, I'm hearing more gents complain about runners (never heard that 5 years ago). A few more anal complaints might slow it down some. YMMV.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough] Maybe the general public in this sad, failed country will finally cry "enough," and start to demand some radical change.

GE[/QUOTE]

The Philippines need to get rid of 2 things:

the Catholic church and the seven families (very closely tied together). They need a revolution.

Not easy to precipitate any sort of sustained political action in a country of 7,000+ islands, when those 85 million or so residents who do not live in Manila, are largely indifferent to what transpires there. I think the number of families controlling 90+ percent of the country's wealth is actually closer to 250 than to seven, but I guess it doesn't really matter. As to eliminating the church, I think when you're abysmally poor, with little hope for the present life, the church, as corrupt as it is, may be the only solace for lots of people.

GE

[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy]The Philippines need to get rid of 2 things:

the Catholic church and the seven families (very closely tied together). They need a revolution.[/QUOTE]

Very True...i hope they get rid of at least one

[QUOTE=Sharka]Any of you guys see the latest news on AC. I'll repost it here.

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Angeles City CIDG unit sacked amid extort raps
By Ding Cervantes (The Philippine Star) Updated August 23, 2010 12:00 AM

ANGELES CITY, Philippines – The entire force of the Criminal Investigation and Detection Group (CIDG) in this city has been relieved effective today amid allegations of frame-ups and extortion of operators of tourism-oriented businesses here.
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Wow some news...Finally some action....I thought i would never see the words come alive when they say "the shit has hit the fan"

I think the current clean up could be due to mendoza effect ..

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Not easy to precipitate any sort of sustained political action in a country of 7,000+ islands, when those 85 million or so residents who do not live in Manila, are largely indifferent to what transpires there. I think the number of families controlling 90+ percent of the country's wealth is actually closer to 250 than to seven, but I guess it doesn't really matter. As to eliminating the church, I think when you're abysmally poor, with little hope for the present life, the church, as corrupt as it is, may be the only solace for lots of people.

GE[/QUOTE]
It is like any other third world country. Few giant companies controlling the wealth of the whole nation.
It is no use getting rid of the Church. These people find solace in the church in spite of absolute poverty. Religion and faith hold the country together, otherwise there would be chaos. Churches also do social programs like food and clothes donation collected from other countries.
Cannot get rid of large companies controlling the economy. It is like breaking the spokes of the wheel. The whole economy will collapse leading to anarchy.
Only thing which can be done is decentralisation of the economy with local people starting their own factories producing products and selling. Other way is taxing big companies and giving the money to small entrpreners to start their industry. I have travelled to many provinces but none have really big factories providing jobs for locals. All have to travel to big cities to find employment. This is how many girls end up in LA cafe , AC , EDSA, Makati etc.
While it is a boon for us mongers this economy sustains a very small minority.
I had a GF whose father is a fisherman. He told me he catches lots of fish. But he cannot sell them outright. He leaves them at the market and if the fish is sold he gets a portion of the profit. If it is not sold atleast he can take it home and provide food for his children. Bottom line is he has no incentive to work hard and fish more.
Although I should say the government is building new roads and some infrastructure. But the population is a drag on any economy if the country does not progress like China and India.

This is not about our favourite pass time. I first visited Philippines in 1976. If anything, things are worse than in 1976 but in places like China and even Vietnam, things are so much better. Theirs is a hypocritical culture but the people are hard working and intelligent; their leaders stuffed them up big time.

[QUOTE=Sammon]...Only thing which can be done is decentralisation of the economy with local people starting their own factories producing products and selling. Other way is taxing big companies and giving the money to small entrpreners to start their industry...[/QUOTE]

Let's not forget the OFWs ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Filipino#Economic_impact[/url]).

Maybe, export the one thing that's bogging them.

[QUOTE=Sammon]
Only thing which can be done is decentralisation of the economy with local people starting their own factories producing products and selling. [/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, the Filipino people aren't generally the entreprenurial type.

[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy]The Philippines need to get rid of 2 things:

the Catholic church and the seven families (very closely tied together). They need a revolution.[/QUOTE]

IMO, without an armed revolution, none of us will live long enough to see the Philippines become a first world nation.

Aside from revolution, the Philippines needs leaders who love their country more than they love themselves. The Philippines leadership is filled with people who only care about lining their own pockets.

[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy]The Philippines need to get rid of 2 things: the Catholic church and the seven families (very closely tied together). They need a revolution.[/QUOTE]


Why? Would it effect our hobby? I would, however, doubt it! :)

Cheers!

Hesekiels

[QUOTE=ManonsanBoy]This is not about our favourite pass time. I first visited Philippines in 1976. If anything, things are worse than in 1976 but in places like China and even Vietnam, things are so much better. Theirs is a hypocritical culture but the people are hard working and intelligent; their leaders stuffed them up big time.[/QUOTE]


It all started with Marcos (about 40 years ago) when he created the 7 families and destroyed the free market system in the Phils. At that time, all of the entrepreneurial Chinese families ended up fleeing the country and the country lost its edge in Asia. Marcos created those families in order to consolidate his hold on the country and build his (non-benevolent) dictatorship.

a few notes from my visit to ac this past week:

- that story below about the investigators getting fired - that was also the team that shut down pony tails; word in knowledgeable circles was that the owner refused to pay a bribe, hence the shutdown.

- place was crowded as ever; no let up there. most bars still had multiple "doorgirls" outside, with the exception of the dollhouse group (which pony tails is part of).

- they announced that the pony tails girls would be in emperor's lounge (above club asia); i didn't recognize any of them, though, when i went to check it out.

- t-backs were also seen in places i'll leave to the imagination on a public board.

- dmia security confirep001ed my cheap $2 whisky at the gate. boo.

recommendations:
- dirty duck/forbidden city: terrible layouts, expensive ladies drinks, and extremely pushy staff, but damn if they don't have some of the wildest girls on fields at the moment.

- dollhouse - seems to have improved their collection as of late. more crowded than previously as well.

- black angus steak house - gf of hotel royal amsterdam - big, fresh (for ac) salad bar included in most entrees til 11, huge portions, good meat.

"un" recommendations:
- the international pub (formerly shano's) - changed their menu again, seems yet more expensive (and smaller)

- tropix - seems to be slowly dying the good death, but i could have gone there on an off night.

~ca

[QUOTE=Crazy Ami]A few notes from my visit to AC this past week:
- T-Backs were also seen in places I'll leave to the imagination on a public board.

~CA[/QUOTE]Forgive my ignorance. T-Backs? Dunno what they / that is / are.

Coming to AC next week--I might need to know?

[QUOTE=Shark San]Forgive my ignorance. T-Backs? Dunno what they / that is / are.

Coming to AC next week--I might need to know?[/QUOTE]

Also known as thongs ;)

I posted this in another forum and I think it will fit here:

I spent the last four days in AC and I took a British friend (51) for his cherry trip. I wish that I would have taken a picture of his face in the first club :D

He is a shy guy and he has been in Cebu twice and Manila three times, but never bar hopped with me :D He was not too sure how to interact with the girls and I was trying to take him in slow and in his first bar he pointed to girl that my bar fine knew, who I had brought a drink for, and said that he would like to take her. During the LD he spoke 10 words to her and she did not really talk to him, but doing her job she said sure.

The next morning I asked him how was it and he told me that she okay, but not great. That afternoon we went into TI at noon and due to seats being full we sat at the table and I brought 5 LD's for friends there and we laughed and joked for an hour and my friend was amazed watching it all unfold.

We left there and went up to Niffy's for the PI@N bar hop and as we arrived early we had sometime to play with the girls and one girl went up to him and started playing around and joking with him. I saw him relaxing and having fun and before we left he asked her to go and she said yes.

Long story short, Saturday morning I asked him how it was and his smile was so big when he told me that it was the best that he had in the PI and the best he had in years.

I explained to him how it important to let the girl pick him and not just point and shoot. Well yesterday we started at LIA around 2:30 with Tonka Toy and did a shot bar hop and when we got to Honey Ko's the setting was perfect (only us sitting at the bar and a lot of sexy dancers) and it took him 5 minutes to let a girl pick him and this morning he told me that he had another wonderful night.

Some guys like point and shoot, but I think the girl should pick you. JMHO

Edit: By the way, he told me that he is ruined for life and he DID NOT want to leave and this morning at 5 am in the Manila airport we planned another trip in a week.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]In the aftermath of the tragi-comedy of the bus hijacking fiasco, the bottom has fallen out of the tourism sector here. Articles like this will provide additional nails in the coffin. It seems the greed, incompetence and pervasive corruption of virtually every sector of the country are finally coming to the attention of the world's public, and that the knowledge is no longer restricted to the donor governments. Who knows? Maybe the general public in this sad, failed country will finally cry "enough," and start to demand some radical change.

GE[/QUOTE]I do hope that they "clean up" the corruption in the gov't and police force but don't "clean up" AC of all the bars and chicks( you know, the usual moral issue BS) like they've been doing all over asia.

FZ

[QUOTE=Robbaf]Some guys like point and shoot, but I think the girl should pick you. JMHO[/QUOTE]I hear you bro and do somewhat agree with you as this was how I did it in Thailand way back when. But the few days I spent in AC I did try this method but it couldn't work as the ladies interested in me and came over were down right fat and ugly and a few were way over their expiration date. I find that many are interested in you, me and just about anyone cumming thru the down had no choice as they know we would NEVER pick them so they have to make the 1st move.--just my experiences and strictly point of view.

Cheers and Beers,

FZ

[quote=robbaf]........ we planned another trip in a week.[/quote]
will be there 4th till 12th of sep.
you too? or poopbunny?

anyone else for a cold one?
cheers!

[quote=ekspat]will be there 4th till 12th of sep.
you too? or poopbunny?

anyone else for a cold one?
cheers![/quote]
no:( i am going to cebu. finally air phil is flying again and it will be my first visit since april.

i am scheduling a ac trip for 23 to 28 september:d

are you staying at the lg? i did my last trip and it will be the last time i ever stay there. i think they are taking all the profit and buying bars and not putting any money back in the hotel:(

started with manila airport pickup:( they had no hotel cars available so they contracted a manila company to pick me up. driver was 30 minutes late, and it was an airport yellow cab that cannot leave the airport without a customer slip. driver wanted me and my cherry boy to walk out of terminal parking lot (in the pouring rain) and wait on the street for him...i was like no way jose. he finally shot the gate, after driving around airport for 20 minutes, doing 60 kph and when they tried to stop him, he kept going.

okay we got out of airport and he doesn't take edsa off the skyway. i asked him where are you going??? he said he knows a short cut...two hours later he is lost and we end up on edsa about five miles from the airport. all told it was a four hour taxi ride from hell.

we arrive ac and the guy is driving around and i asked him if he knew where the hotel was and he said yes. i then ask him why he is going in the wrong direction...

arrive at the hotel and talk to the manager and he said, "sorry...something happened, i don't know what, not our fault! it was the manila company, not the hotel who picked you up". i asked him if i contacted the hotel or the taxi to pick us up??? no reply.

both rooms booked and the ac was not working right. rooms were 80 degrees. my last stay in the hotel in july my ac did not work and i had to move rooms at 1 am:(

the toilet kept running over in my buddy's room and the whole visit he had 2" of water on his bathroom floor...i could go on and on.

robb

[quote=ekspat]will be there 4th till 12th of sep.
you too? or poopbunny?
anyone else for a cold one?
cheers![/quote]

just returned from ac :(

[QUOTE=Robbaf]
Are you staying at the LG? I did my last trip and IT will be the last time I ever stay there. I think they are taking all the profit and buying bars and not putting any money back in the hotel:(

Started with Manila airport pickup:( they had no hotel cars available so they contracted a Manila Company to pick me up. Driver was 30 minutes late, and it was an airport yellow cab that cannot leave the airport without a customer slip. Driver wanted me and my cherry boy to walk out of Terminal parking lot (in the pouring rain) and wait on the street for him...I was like no way Jose. He finally shot the gate, after driving around airport for 20 minutes, doing 60 kph and when they tried to stop him, he kept going.
Robb[/QUOTE]

I hear you. The rooms are starting to look tired (stains on carpet, curtains not completely closing, missing curtain runners, etc). This time I has 2 keys, one to operate the electricity and another regular key for the door because the electronic entry doesn't work anymore. Nearly every trip, I get a notice under my door about pool or restaurant closing for private function etc...

Still it's the nicest place in AC by far, as confirmed by the girls.

I haven't tried the new Savannah yet, but that would be my second choice.

LGH driver management could be better. Late is better than never. So the last trip I used Margarita Station for my NAIA pickup.
[url]http://www.margarita-station.com/airport.html[/url]
I would use them again.

Which is a shame because I really like the LGH drivers and get along well with most of them. Just let down by poor management to reliably send drivers when you book them. 2 no shows by LGH out of 5 or 6 booked pickups is not good statistically.

[quote=poopbunny]i hear you. the rooms are starting to look tired (stains on carpet, curtains not completely closing, missing curtain runners, etc). this time i has 2 keys, one to operate the electricity and another regular key for the door because the electronic entry doesn't work anymore. nearly every trip, i get a notice under my door about pool or restaurant closing for private function etc...

still it's the nicest place in ac by far, as confirmed by the girls.

i haven't tried the new savannah yet, but that would be my second choice.

lgh driver management could be better. late is better than never. so the last trip i used margarita station for my naia pickup.
[url]http://www.margarita-station.com/airport.html[/url]
i would use them again.

which is a shame because i really like the lgh drivers and get along well with most of them. just let down by poor management to reliably send drivers when you book them. 2 no shows by lgh out of 5 or 6 booked pickups is not good statistically.[/quote]
yes, pool was closed one night we were there for a wedding, and the pillows and bed sheets are worn out, not to mention the towels. the towel rack was broke as was the toilet seat:(

btw, i really think the abc is the best in ac. for $99 a night you get better accommodations and better location.

[quote=poopbunny]i hear you. the rooms are starting to look tired (stains on carpet, curtains not completely closing, missing curtain runners, etc). this time i has 2 keys, one to operate the electricity and another regular key for the door because the electronic entry doesn't work anymore. nearly every trip, i get a notice under my door about pool or restaurant closing for private function etc...

still it's the nicest place in ac by far, as confirmed by the girls.

i haven't tried the new savannah yet, but that would be my second choice.

lgh driver management could be better. late is better than never. so the last trip i used margarita station for my naia pickup.
[url]http://www.margarita-station.com/airport.html[/url]
i would use them again.

which is a shame because i really like the lgh drivers and get along well with most of them. just let down by poor management to reliably send drivers when you book them. 2 no shows by lgh out of 5 or 6 booked pickups is not good statistically.[/quote]did'nt take it long did it?
pretty much the attitude all over this country, never put a dime into maintenance or repairs.

i prefer the small boutique hotels right in the middle of the action. better maintained & very short walk from bar to bedroom ;)

i'm never there to pretend i'm in a resort, i'm there to bang beaver in comfort..

av

[QUOTE=Freezone]I do hope that they "clean up" the corruption in the gov't and police force but don't "clean up" AC of all the bars and chicks( you know, the usual moral issue BS) like they've been doing all over asia.

FZ[/QUOTE]Breathe easy brother, corruption is part of the fabric of society here. Nothing will change here for the foreseeable future. Kinda sad for the sake of the country but good for sex tourists.

Av

There is a new mall in Angeles City called Marque Mall just next to the NLEX. An alternative place to SM Clark to spend time with your BF or GF. This is quite some distance from Fields where most of us are familiar with. (about 3km from the MacArthur Highway junction). Quite a distance but not totally impossible to walk there.

The new mall is by Ayala Malls (of Glorietta/Greenbelt Makati) so they are more upmarket than SM Clark but not as upmarket as Makati of course.

3 levels of shops (about 95% occupancy) and cinemas. At first I thought there were less restaurants, but there are quite a few more at the cinema end on the outside (not accessible from the inside of the mall). I missed this because it was raining, I did not bother going outside to see and there was not sufficient signs inside the mall eluding to this.

I went to see a movie there too 120p. I prefer the SM Clark Cinemas because the seating is more elevated stadium style as opposed to MM shoebox approach. Sound was good in the new cinemas but the air-con was freezing and I am more acclimatised to colder temperatures than the locals.

They do however have Breadtalk and I love the Fire floss buns at Breadtalk. It was absolutely packed!!

GETTING THERE
---------------
LGH charges 300p each way.
Trike about 200p

FREE
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Marque Mall has a free courtesy shuttle every hour at the half hour departing from the mall just outside the National Book Store. Note that is is just a small courtesy van from the mall and I recommend you get there 15 min early to secure a seat. The van than stops at Checkpoint/Friendship (where the Perimeter jeepneys terminate) about 10mins later. Just opposite the Ministop minimart near the Medgar Apartelle 200m white sign. Then they will pick up anyone from Fields wanting to go to Marque Mall.

Eg.
3:30 PM - Shuttle bus departs Marque Mall (outside National Bookstore)
3:40 PM - approx. Shuttle bus arrives at Checkpoint/Friendship (opposite Ministop) for dropoff and pickup.

[quote=poopbunny]still it's the nicest place in ac by far, as confirmed by the girls.[/quote]well, nicest to them because it best conforms to their image of 'high class' as seen in the movies and tv shows. strikes me as kind of nouveau riche, and already a bit rough around the edges.

i'm with av here. i want a cool, quiet, comfortable room where i can sleep and shag, no pretensions of anything else. the main thing is i want is to walk out the door and be right in the middle of things, which counts out lgh and a bunch of other good hotels -- abc, europhil (or whatever it's called now), savannah, clarkton etc. still haven't decided for next month, but i'm tempted by the old orchid, overpriced and underspecified as it is. just too many nice old memories there . . . .

Agree. And then Wild Orchid. I'm curious why PB thinks LGH is the best in AC???

I have to visit again soon to do more research!

[QUOTE=Robbaf]BTW, I really think the ABC is the best in AC. For $99 a night you get better accommodations and better location.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amavida]. Kinda sad for the sake of the country but good for sex tourists.

Av[/QUOTE]It's good for me. So, does that make me a sex tourist?--ha ha

Cheers and beers.

FZ

[QUOTE=X Man]Agree. And then Wild Orchid. I'm curious why PB thinks LGH is the best in AC???

I have to visit again soon to do more research![/QUOTE]

Actually I do not think LGH is the best in AC. That would go to Holiday Inn. However one would have to be colour blind to find their green coloured rooms any pleasant, but it is a hotel of any international standard. LGH does not come close.

In terms of rooms, I like LGH. Also the girls (who has probably visited every hotel in AC) seems to find LGH the best (at least the ones I BF anyway).

Also my comments are about the hotels regardless of the distance/convenience.

If you find LGH far, Holiday Inn is much further. LGH is really not far at all by any standard (eg. if you stay in a nice hotel in Pattaya you will most likely need a tuk tuk to get back), and the LGH free car will pick you up from outside the bar entrance, means I will probably walk less than if I stayed at Wild Orchid, etc.

I like my hotels far away from the discos/bars as I like it very quiet at night. But not too far (counts out Holiday Inn). LGH or ABC would be just nice.

There is a new LGH development (Penthouse Hotel) on A Santos. I might try it if I am still mongering by the time it finishes.

[quote=poopbunny]actually i do not think lgh is the best in ac. that would go to holiday inn. however one would have to be colour blind to find their green coloured rooms any pleasant, but it is a hotel of any international standard. lgh does not come close.

in terms of rooms, i like lgh. also the girls (who has probably visited every hotel in ac) seems to find lgh the best (at least the ones i bf anyway).

also my comments are about the hotels regardless of the distance/convenience.

if you find lgh far, holiday inn is much further. lgh is really not far at all by any standard (eg. if you stay in a nice hotel in pattaya you will most likely need a tuk tuk to get back), and the lgh free car will pick you up from outside the bar entrance, means i will probably walk less than if i stayed at wild orchid, etc.

i like my hotels far away from the discos/bars as i like it very quiet at night. but not too far (counts out holiday inn). lgh or abc would be just nice.

there is a new lgh development (penthouse hotel) on a santos. i might try it if i am still mongering by the time it finishes.[/quote]

lgh is by far a good choice. the hotel is walking distance to the action. who cares what the girls think! they will go with you to the 800 pesos a night hotels as long as you pay. but, if you do a little research, you will find some very nice hotels for good prices =x.

[QUOTE=Sammon]AC is one of a kind. It is hard to find young unjaded hookers anywhere in one small street. And the bars take it very seriously to customer comfort, routine of their shows etc. In Pattaya they couldn't care less.
As I have seen in AC there is a constant turn around of fresh girls. Very few girls stay and work in AC bars more than a few years. The mamasans do a good job recruiting more girls from the countryside.
Anyway the old adage of once barfined stay with the customer till morning seems to have vanished. Now the girls have learned their rights under the invisible barfine law. They have also learned no customer or bar can legally force them to do what they do not want to do. Besides they can easily find a new job in another bar if the bar people fire her. Many have found sponsors and quite happy to get regular salary plus an occassional barfine to satisfy their needs but they are very picky who they choose. Now it is important that the mongers be very nice to the girls they barfine and will be rewarded. AC girls are still non-dicriminatory about age,height, weight, national origin.
Have fun when it lasts![/QUOTE]

Bar Girls not staying long time? When did this change. I was just there last month. I bar-fined 8 ladies and all stayed long time...

What changed since early August?

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]Bar Girls not staying long time? When did this change. I was just there last month. I bar-fined 8 ladies and all stayed long time...

What changed since early August?[/QUOTE]Nothing changed. Most girls typically stay LT, without having to be told, with the exception of girls who are taken early; say before about 9pm (they will feel justified in getting back to the bar to try and get another barfine). However, Sammon is at least somewhat right: There are more runners than before. I too was there recently. I had a problem with a pair of girls for ST from Santos St, but they were not runners. All of my LT girls stayed till 10am or longer. However, I chat the gents at Kokomos around lunchtime, and I heard that from several. Previously on one of the threads I mentioned that separately several gents told me they had been in AC for a month, and had yet to have a girl stay past 6am, with many leaving after a few hours. There were always girls who would ST on a guy to get back if the bar was still open.

One thing I disagree with Sammon's post is that the girls can just quit and go to another bar for work. Most girls there are afraid of getting fired or quitting. Its hard to explain to your new employer why you up and quit or got fired. "I was working until yesterday at Honey Pot. I quit cuz the manager expect me to be barfining and even to spending the night the men. What the f*ck." Or, "They fire me. I refuse barfine 4 times last month." Or, "They fire me. I like to leave early. Customer don't like that. What the f*ck." I've dated waitresses and a mama and they tell me that the girls stick to the bar's policies, and get into trouble when they don't. There's too much fresh talent inbound from the provinces to put up with a trouble-maker.

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]Bar Girls not staying long time? When did this change. I was just there last month. I bar-fined 8 ladies and all stayed long time...

What changed since early August?[/QUOTE]We are not saying the chicks at the bars are not staying LT. It's just that many of us have found out that many are scamming/ liars=runners. At the bar she will agree to anything you say, and this was in front of their mamas, but once back in hotel, one shot later and the excuses comes for her to leave. I took out 4 chicks the last time in AC and had 2 runners and 2 very nice ones. That's half the chicks I took out. Many are posting.including me, that this is a growing trend in AC.

FZ

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha] But, if you do a little research, you will find some very nice hotels for good prices =x.[/QUOTE]

It depends what you consider a good price.

I've done quite a lot of research in my time and I can't find any hotels I'd consider very nice for a 'good price' in the general proximity of lower Fields.

Okay, I'm comparing prices to Thailand (which may be unfair - but I can't always see why), but I tend to travel to AC resigned to the fact that I will have to pay what I consider a premium price for a relative dump.

The hotels in the 2/3000 peso price bracket are okay but anything sub 1500 and things deteriorate: cramped rooms, no fridge, tired looking decor, old beds, miserly levels of ambient light.

To be fair its not just an AC thing. The hotels in Subic and Cebu are equally over-priced IMHO.

Any pointers anyone - a decent hotel in AC in the sub 1500 price range?

[QUOTE=Doppel One]It depends what you consider a good price.

I've done quite a lot of research in my time and I can't find any hotels I'd consider very nice for a 'good price' in the general proximity of lower Fields.

Okay, I'm comparing prices to Thailand (which may be unfair - but I can't always see why), but I tend to travel to AC resigned to the fact that I will have to pay what I consider a premium price for a relative dump.

The hotels in the 2/3000 peso price bracket are okay but anything sub 1500 and things deteriorate: cramped rooms, no fridge, tired looking decor, old beds, miserly levels of ambient light.

To be fair its not just an AC thing. The hotels in Subic and Cebu are equally over-priced IMHO.

Any pointers anyone - a decent hotel in AC in the sub 1500 price range?[/QUOTE]

The 1500 peso range is about $30 U.S. a night, its kind of hard to find a room with facilities, on the main strip, with some level of quality at that price. In Angeles you are seriously into the extreme budget motel range.

But some suggestions: Geomania Hotel is off the main strip in the Perimeter road area, small hotel with about 12 rooms, think they are going for about 1,500p, run by Germans so has the clean factor one see's in many small German hotels, also has a beautiful swimming pool. But again it is off the main strip, but it is a fairly new complex.

There are a couple of bars running budget facilities, directly on the strip. The Paradise Beer garden has a couple of rooms they rent out, think they are about 1200p (approx. don't hold me to this). The new bar, called Golden Garter (in the same complex as the Paradise Beer Garden) has one manager's suite it rents for 1,800 p per night. Big room, Queen size bed, small frig, lounge area, cable TV, AC and two or three person Jaquzzi (spelling??). Both Paradise and Golden are located at the beginning of Fields, by the MacDonalds on MacArthur Highway. The downside to both is that they are not Hotels per se. The have no facilities outside of the rooms, etc. They are also above the bars, so there is a degree of noise that one has to accept, but that is also the reason one gets the price for the quality of room. Both have internet sites so imagine you could arrange accomodations through them.

Hope this helps

[QUOTE=Robbaf]Are you staying at the LG? [/QUOTE]
Yes, as usual. Will check it out next week and report in the hotel-section.
Cheers!

[QUOTE=Matius]

But some suggestions: Geomania Hotel is off the main strip in the Perimeter road area, small hotel with about 12 rooms, think they are going for about 1,500p, run by Germans so has the clean factor one see's in many small German hotels, also has a beautiful swimming pool. But again it is off the main strip, but it is a fairly new complex.

[/QUOTE]

Matius,

Many thanks for the information, I'll certainly check out the Geomania Hotel with a view to triking may way to downtown Fields.

I used to stay at the Orange Lion which was about 1750 a few years ago (for long stays) and then they started to bump the price up.

1500 gets you a small standard room at the EuroAsia Hotel which was only refurbished a year or so ago. They have a very nice pool but the standard rooms don't come with fridges - sadly.

[QUOTE=Matius]The 1500 peso range is about $30 U.S. a night, its kind of hard to find a room with facilities, on the main strip, with some level of quality at that price. In Angeles you are seriously into the extreme budget motel range.

through them.

Hope this helps[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.swisschaletph.com/[/url]

I have stayed at here and they list a standard room at 1480 P and not only was the room fine the food there is some of the best in town. At least it was last time I was there.

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]Bar Girls not staying long time? When did this change. I was just there last month. I bar-fined 8 ladies and all stayed long time...

What changed since early August?[/QUOTE]
I think it depends on where you barfine the girl and type of girl. Almost all my runners were from the larger bars and many were spotlight girls. I tend to pick the hottest girls who are also in high demand from other asian mongers. There may be a correlation.

I've heard from others that most the girls on the perimeter don't run.

[QUOTE=Doppel One]Any pointers anyone - a decent hotel in AC in the sub 1500 price range?[/QUOTE]
A little over your stated budget but CP is a nice, clean, well managed place right in the middle of the action:

[url]http://www.centralpark-ac.com/en/[/url]

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I think it depends on where you barfine the girl and type of girl. Almost all my runners were from the larger bars and many were spotlight girls. I tend to pick the hottest girls who are also in high demand from other asian mongers. There may be a correlation.

I've heard from others that most the girls on the perimeter don't run.[/QUOTE]I've had 3 runners in 5-6 years in AC. None in Manila. One in Cebu (and recently). They are rare for me, but for some gents (re: the kokomos gents I mentioned previously) they are routine. An honest discussion of what you expect before you leave the bar never hurts.

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]LGH is by far a good choice. The hotel is walking distance to the action. Who cares what the girls think! They will go with you to the 800 pesos a night hotels as long as you pay. But, if you do a little research, you will find some very nice hotels for good prices =x.[/QUOTE]


I agree LGH is far better then Holiday Inn. In my opinion ABC is the best hotel in AC although if you are on a budget then LGH has some cheap rooms that might do the trick...

Very good observation Amjeck. Some guys have criticized these overpriced spotlight dancers, but the point no one wants to hear is that these bars are providing shows and these girls probably are quite happy with the dancing salary and don't really want to be barfined. Therefore the runner.

A few things that might also affect the outcome:

(disclaimer: I quoted Amjeck but these comments are not directed at anyone)

YOU! Your age/weight/disposition/ deoderant choices, etc. A charming mid-aged, chubby guy can do well. If you get a lot of runners, you might look in the mirror rather than whining about the gals.

YOUR hotel: If your hole in the wall isn't much better than her hole in the wall, she may walk. If you got a nice pad, maybe even a pool, good luck trying to get rid of her the next afternoon. Go to ABC or WILD ORchid and take a look at who's swimming in the pool in the afternoons. Probably the stunner you wanted to barfine, but somehow she got away. (Isn't that the second or third question they ALWAYS ask when you meet them. Which hotel?)

YOUR questions: Well, did you get to know her before you barfined? I mean a normal guy / girl conversation? This is my preference because I prefer GFE, but some guys ask, "how much, how long, how many holes, and do you swallow". Hmmm, as Amjeck suggested, it depends on the "type of girl".

None of this advice will guarantee anything. But it sure is fun experimenting!

X

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I think it depends on where you barfine the girl and type of girl. Almost all my runners were from the larger bars and many were spotlight girls. I tend to pick the hottest girls who are also in high demand from other asian mongers..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mc Don]I agree LGH is far better then Holiday Inn. In my opinion ABC is the best hotel in AC although if you are on a budget then LGH has some cheap rooms that might do the trick...[/QUOTE]


Did you know that ABC has a surcharge? They tack this extra charge when you check out. I have to look at one of my receipts. But, I think it's a service charge. Ok, the rooms are already expensive then tacking on a service fee. I wasn't feeling it anymore.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I think it depends on where you barfine the girl and type of girl. Almost all my runners were from the larger bars and many were spotlight girls. I tend to pick the hottest girls who are also in high demand from other asian mongers. There may be a correlation.

I've heard from others that most the girls on the perimeter don't run.[/QUOTE]


I think you have to get things established with the lady before you leave the bar. If she says short time out the box, she would have to move on. I want to the option of kicking her out early or she stays til the morning time. Hell, I paid the money.

[QUOTE=Freezone]We are not saying the chicks at the bars are not staying LT. It's just that many of us have found out that many are scamming/ liars=runners. At the bar she will agree to anything you say, and this was in front of their mamas, but once back in hotel, one shot later and the excuses comes for her to leave. I took out 4 chicks the last time in AC and had 2 runners and 2 very nice ones. That's half the chicks I took out. Many are posting.including me, that this is a growing trend in AC.

FZ[/QUOTE]

You know what the Korean do? They request for their money back.

It's time to request for REFUNDS!

One thing I disagree with Sammon's post is that the girls can just quit and go to another bar for work. Most girls there are afraid of getting fired or quitting. Its hard to explain to your new employer why you up and quit or got fired. "I was working until yesterday at Honey Pot. I quit cuz the manager expect me to be barfining and even to spending the night the men. What the f*ck." Or, "They fire me. I refuse barfine 4 times last month." Or, "They fire me. I like to leave early. Customer don't like that. What the f*ck." I've dated waitresses and a mama and they tell me that the girls stick to the bar's policies, and get into trouble when they don't. There's too much fresh talent inbound from the provinces to put up with a trouble-maker.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I agree here.

As, I said on an earlier post. Runners = Refund! Us mongers most enforce this code. This is our tool against the Runners!

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]You know what the Korean do? They request for their money back.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure this is the best way to make your case. The Koreans tend to do a whole lot of things that many of us find rather nasty.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Almost all my runners were from the larger bars and many were spotlight girls. I tend to pick the hottest girls who are also in high demand from other asian mongers. There may be a correlation.[/QUOTE]An absolute correlation, in my experience. Often my biggest problem with Perimeter girls is trying to boot them out the next day.

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]One thing I disagree with Sammon's post is that the girls can just quit and go to another bar for work. Most girls there are afraid of getting fired or quitting. Its hard to explain to your new employer why you up and quit or got fired. "I was working until yesterday at Honey Pot. I quit cuz the manager expect me to be barfining and even to spending the night the men. What the f*ck." Or, "They fire me. I refuse barfine 4 times last month." Or, "They fire me. I like to leave early. Customer don't like that. What the f*ck." I've dated waitresses and a mama and they tell me that the girls stick to the bar's policies, and get into trouble when they don't. There's too much fresh talent inbound from the provinces to put up with a trouble-maker.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I agree here.

As, I said on an earlier post. Runners = Refund! Us mongers most enforce this code. This is our tool against the Runners![/QUOTE]
In Spite of what the bar people tell you it is all wrong. If you ask mamasan and some girls they will tell you if a girl changes bars, there is a black mark on them and nobody will hire them. This is all baloney.
Long time ago the girls and mamasans told me the same story. Now that I am friends with many they told me there is no such thing. Girls do leave one bar to go to another and you think they will tell the truth why?
Bars do not even other to check previous employment reference. Nobody cares.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I think it depends on where you barfine the girl and type of girl. Almost all my runners were from the larger bars and many were spotlight girls. I tend to pick the hottest girls who are also in high demand from other asian mongers. There may be a correlation.

I've heard from others that most the girls on the perimeter don't run.[/QUOTE]Ya, I picked a model from Asia Club, the one which had 2 sections on ground the floor and another one on first floor at Field. The girl was a stunner. She agreed to stay till morning and I paid P3000 for LT. However after 1 shot at the hotel she somehow had many problems. First, she told me she had gastric and needed medicine which was left at her quarters. Then, I gave her my medicine. After a while she told me she was worried for her 2 small brothers who were left alone. I got fed up and told her she could leave only after 2nd shot. She tried her best to make me hard again and finally after 2nd shot at 2am she went off.

Gents,
why you do not have your extensive hotels discussion in more appropriate forum "Angeles City Hotels & Accomodations"?

a few little tricks I use to prevent runners( not fool proof) is to find out if the girl I am interested in has kids to care for hers or her sistersor mothers brothers( boyfriends) or any other family members ect that are staying locally with her at her place. If this is so you have a pretty good chance shes going to want to leave has early as she can to get back to her obligations for the day. I have never had a runner who ran if she didn't have something more important to do. another trick I have used is letting the girl know I am interested in having a companion for a trip to Boracey or some other place she might want to go to. let her think she has a sucker but don't lead her on to much cause that's not right she will not want to go if she thinks she can gain from staying with you. another is telling them your vacation is almost over and you will be leaving soon they think you might unload a lump sum of pesos or baht on them cause you have extra

[QUOTE=Streetlooker]a few little tricks I use to prevent runners( not fool proof) is to find out if the girl I am interested in has kids to care for hers or her sistersor mothers brothers( boyfriends) or any other family members ect that are staying locally with her at her place. If this is so you have a pretty good chance shes going to want to leave has early as she can to get back to her obligations for the day. I have never had a runner who ran if she didn't have something more important to do. another trick I have used is letting the girl know I am interested in having a companion for a trip to Boracey or some other place she might want to go to. let her think she has a sucker but don't lead her on to much cause that's not right she will not want to go if she thinks she can gain from staying with you. another is telling them your vacation is almost over and you will be leaving soon they think you might unload a lump sum of pesos or baht on them cause you have extra[/QUOTE]
I don't think you need a trick. If you read my post [post]1062084[/post] and follow what I wrote, you will find that you will have no issues. I have had one runner out of 121 girls this year. And to be honest, it was probably my best nights sleep this year:D

If you only go for stunners or showgirls you have to remember that they are in high demand and they probably have a boyfriend to get home to.

Robb

[QUOTE=Betong]I'm not sure this is the best way to make your case. The Koreans tend to do a whole lot of things that many of us find rather nasty.[/QUOTE]


Ha! I am only talking about the refund deal.

[QUOTE=White Whale]Gents,
why you do not have your extensive hotels discussion in more appropriate forum "Angeles City Hotels & Accomodations"?[/QUOTE]
Yes I understand what you are saying, but I posted here to ensure all readers going to AC seen what happened to me.

Cheers
Robb

[QUOTE=Sammon]In Spite of what the bar people tell you it is all wrong. If you ask mamasan and some girls they will tell you if a girl changes bars, there is a black mark on them and nobody will hire them. This is all baloney.
Long time ago the girls and mamasans told me the same story. Now that I am friends with many they told me there is no such thing. Girls do leave one bar to go to another and you think they will tell the truth why?
Bars do not even other to check previous employment reference. Nobody cares.[/QUOTE]
I think a lot of girls in AC works for their mommasan. She controls the girls and if she moves, they move. I know a few girls who have tried to leave the bar and their mommasan would not give them their license.

If the momma goes and recruits them in the province and pays their travel costs and room and board, they have to work it off. A lot of girls will borrow money and stay in debt to their momma:(

Robb

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]You know what the Korean do? They request for their money back.

It's time to request for REFUNDS![/QUOTE]
Refund for what? A Early Work Release is paid for her to leave work early and when her shift is over she is free to get off work.

So you take her back to the hotel and get one pop in and she wants to leave, you want a refund????

Robb

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]I think you have to get things established with the lady before you leave the bar. If she says short time out the box, she would have to move on. I want to the option of kicking her out early or she stays til the morning time. Hell, I paid the money.[/QUOTE]You just have to read back a few pages and see what I (and others) had reported. Getting things established before leaving the bar was exactly what I did, and all the agreements were in front of the mamas. Like I said, didn't help, some ran anyway.

FZ

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I think it depends on where you barfine the girl and type of girl. Almost all my runners were from the larger bars and many were spotlight girls. I tend to pick the hottest girls who are also in high demand from other asian mongers. There may be a correlation.

I've heard from others that most the girls on the perimeter don't run.[/QUOTE]Never took a spotlight chick because I personnally don't think they are anything more special than some of the 1200-1500 BF ones, so just not worth the extra cost--strictly in my views only.

And don't even believe for a minute Perimeter chicks don't run, in fact, one of the runners my traveling pal took out was from Perimeter, can't remember if it was Eruption or Emotions or something like that. There may be a lesser chance of this (? maybe) but they run from there also.

FZ

Good point! I forgot to mention this in my earlier post.

Sometimes I meet gals in AC who are from Pampanga and even live with their families. I always triple confirm, but in most cases there is no problem. In one case the gal tells me her brother works as a dj in a bar down the street and we can go visit him .. Ummm, maybe some other time.

Typical exchange:

X "I like you, but when is your curfew?"
"I don't have a curfew"
X "Can you stay all night?"
"Up to you"
X "Okay, let's have breakfast together"
"Okay"
X "Go change clothes. Check please!"

[QUOTE=Streetlooker]a few little tricks I use to prevent runners( not fool proof) is to find out if the girl I am interested in has kids to care for hers or her sistersor mothers brothers( boyfriends) or any other family members ect that are staying locally with her at her place. If this is so you have a pretty good chance shes going to want to leave has early as she can to get back to her obligations for the day. I have never had a runner who ran if she didn't have something more important to do. another trick I have used is letting the girl know I am interested in having a companion for a trip to Boracey or some other place she might want to go to. let her think she has a sucker but don't lead her on to much cause that's not right she will not want to go if she thinks she can gain from staying with you. another is telling them your vacation is almost over and you will be leaving soon they think you might unload a lump sum of pesos or baht on them cause you have extra[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Robbaf]Refund for what? A Early Work Release is paid for her to leave work early and when her shift is over she is free to get off work.

So you take her back to the hotel and get one pop in and she wants to leave, you want a refund?

Robb[/QUOTE]Robb,

I don't think even the Korean get refund after one pop, maybe lucky the mamsan will get you another girl that is if you are a good customer or you raise hell at the bar, many time if the girl want to go back to the bar after one pop for some reason I will offer to go with her, never believe them if they tell you they will come back in one hr because they never do.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]One thing I disagree with Sammon's post is that the girls can just quit and go to another bar for work. Most girls there are afraid of getting fired or quitting. Its hard to explain to your new employer why you up and quit or got fired. "I was working until yesterday at Honey Pot. I quit cuz the manager expect me to be barfining and even to spending the night the men. What the f*ck." Or, "They fire me. I refuse barfine 4 times last month." Or, "They fire me. I like to leave early. Customer don't like that. What the f*ck." I've dated waitresses and a mama and they tell me that the girls stick to the bar's policies, and get into trouble when they don't. There's too much fresh talent inbound from the provinces to put up with a trouble-maker.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I agree here.

As, I said on an earlier post. Runners = Refund! Us mongers most enforce this code. This is our tool against the Runners![/QUOTE]

In the first instance, most girls are highly mobile if they have a desire to change bars, the better looking she is the more in demand she is. They may not leave a bar for various reasons (friends, regular repeat customers, making good money, etc), but it has nothing to do with a bad mark on their employment record. In fact, if one knows the bars, its a laughable assumption.

In the second instance, all but an idiot bar owner or your being a very high spending customer, would never give you your money back after you got your nut off, runner or no runner. May and probably should address the issue with the girl in not fullfilling her agreement with you, but fire her; NO, Give you your money back; NO.

In the final instance, this is much to do about nothing. Most girls will tell you the truth if they will do ST or LT, if you ask. There is a very large portion of the customer market that prefers the girl leave afterwards, and some girls are conditioned to that. If one can't find a girl in Angeles to spend the night, then one should look at his approach with the girls. Those of us with experience have no problems with this issue.

Two nights ago, picked up two girls from Love and Music. One 18 year old and one 21 year old. Yes, paid the 3,000 p BF each. Full on threesome, then one left and did the remaining again. She left around 5 AM so I could get some sleep. Both would have stayed till mid-morning, but I was tired. Correct me if I am wrong, but when was the last time you picked up a couple of college age girls, paid $130 U.S. they performed almost every sex act one can consider, then complained because it only lasted five hours. This is the AC experience, not whether the girls stays to listen to you snore and fart throughout the night.

Yes, look at "YOUR approach"! Thanks Matius, that was a point I made earlier, but that post has already been buried under many other posts. I'm kind of surprised at how this topic has taken off.

But what is your point about snoring and farting? I kind of like their pssy farts. And their gentle rythym of breathing while asleep could hardly be called snoring. In fact it helps me sleep.

Except in the morning when I got a hard on and don't want to wake her. Yea, baby, wake up, wake up. I'm too polite to physically wake them up, so I send brain waves. Never fails. They wake up and we fk.

Did I misunderstand the original post?

[QUOTE=Matius]Yes, I agree here.

As, I said on an earlier post. Runners = Refund! Us mongers most enforce this code. This is our tool against the Runners![/QUOTE]In the first instance, most girls are highly mobile if they have a desire to change bars, the better looking she is the more in demand she is. They may not leave a bar for various reasons (friends, regular repeat customers, making good money, etc), but it has nothing to do with a bad mark on their employment record. In fact, if one knows the bars, its a laughable assumption.

In the second instance, all but an idiot bar owner or your being a very high spending customer, would never give you your money back after you got your nut off, runner or no runner. May and probably should address the issue with the girl in not fullfilling her agreement with you, but fire her; NO, Give you your money back; NO.

In the final instance, this is much to do about nothing. Most girls will tell you the truth if they will do ST or LT, if you ask. There is a very large portion of the customer market that prefers the girl leave afterwards, and some girls are conditioned to that. If one can't find a girl in Angeles to spend the night, then one should look at his approach with the girls. Those of us with experience have no problems with this issue.

Two nights ago, picked up two girls from Love and Music. One 18 year old and one 21 year old. Yes, paid the 3, 000 p BF each. Full on threesome, then one left and did the remaining again. She left around 5 AM so I could get some sleep. Both would have stayed till mid-morning, but I was tired. Correct me if I am wrong, but when was the last time you picked up a couple of college age girls, paid $130 USA they performed almost every sex act one can consider, then complained because it only lasted five hours. This is the AC experience, not whether the girls stays to listen to you snore and fart throughout the night.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Doppel One]Matius,

Many thanks for the information, I'll certainly check out the Geomania Hotel with a view to triking may way to downtown Fields.

Stayed there a few months ago...wrote a report in the Angeles Hotels Section. One of the worst experiences ever in all of my world travels. Avoid.

just come back from ac.

the business is slow in ac and almost raining everyday.

the taxi from clark airport to field avenue increase from p300 to p500. i check the price list at the taxi counter, written angeles city = p500. correct me if i'm wrong.

on the day go back, the officer who check my itinerary paper outside of the airport robbed my cigarrete. it is not confirep001ed, no valid reason given. everytime there is always a very nice young pretty lady waiting outside to check the paper before let the passenger go inside, but not this time.

when i finally go to the last stop of the baggage checking place that need to remove my shoes, the officer found that i have a huge fat wallet and want to check it. i open my wallet, and he ask me how much peso i have ? i answer just a few hundred and quickly put it back to my pocket and leave. fortunately, most of the money is not in peso. last time when i arrive at clark airport, the officer also ask the same question "how much peso u have ?" i wonder why and what the best answer to reply. should i report a low amount or high amount ?

Everybody here has valid points. I am just saying if a fellow monger comes across a track star "runner" and you expected more. The Gent can request for a refund. The key word here is "satisfaction". She states she would do Long Time, Head, Anal, Daty and or Bare Back.

Get your CASH!

Simple.

Oh, Korean Mongers are the only folks entitled to the refund?

I have a cutie from Pony Tails that I see when I am in AC. Now that Pony Tails is closed:( she has moved to Club Asia and her EWR was 1500P at Pony Tails, but now they want 3000P because she is on Fields. I asked the momma if she twice as good now???

I paid the first night (got suckered in by not asking before she changed) but I told her sorry I don't support the 3000P EWR. She worked the next night and then stayed with me for two days and I paid her, not the bar. I don't support sneakouts, but I also do not support bars who think they can screw customers.

Robb

[QUOTE=Robbaf]I have a cutie from Pony Tails that I see when I am in AC. Now that Pony Tails is closed:( she has moved to Club Asia and her EWR was 1500P at Pony Tails, but now they want 3000P because she is on Fields. I asked the momma if she twice as good now?

I paid the first night (got suckered in by not asking before she changed) but I told her sorry I don't support the 3000P EWR. She worked the next night and then stayed with me for two days and I paid her, not the bar. I don't support sneakouts, but I also do not support bars who think they can screw customers.

Robb[/QUOTE]For sneakouts I suggest inviting them to Manila. Once I am in touch with a perticular girl i let her know when I am landing in Manila and ask her to come to my Hotel. The girls know how to get around and will take the cheapest way from AC to Manila. Believe me she will be more relaxed in Manila rather than AC.

All girls working there are snitchs. If they see you with the girl they report to the bar and the mamasan and potentially get her into trouble. It happened to me one time. Over her objections I took her to to eat at the mall and buy her some gifts. Later I did go to the ar and talked to the mamasan and barfined her. At that time BF was only 1200 pesos.

I support Sneak Outs! The girls make more money from sneak outs anyways. Most of the time they suggest it! Ha!

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]I support Sneak Outs! The girls make more money from sneak outs anyways. Most of the time they suggest it! Ha![/QUOTE]The girls often refuse a sneakout to a stranger. My experience is that they don't suggest it. However, I have an electronic black book of them in my phone in AC now, former one-time barfines, who are happy to come over at midnight-1am just after her shift ends. It seems once they are comfortable with me, the sneakout is on the menu (they can care less about getting p700 from an unknown guy's barfine when she can get 1000 from a known entity). Drinks at Blue Nile or Crystal Palace (to watch the floor show). Bite to eat at Kok's. Then back to the room for LT. I give them p1000 for LT (perform 2x), I don't bother with them for ST at this time of night.

There are two girls, both older waitresses, late 20's, both of them I've barfined (once). Each sneaks-out with me as often as she can. After the initial barfine, I've not given either of them any money (p100 for tryke). Bite to eat in the evening after the shift, LT, breakfast, gone around 10-11am. I'm not sure why I don't give anything to these two, it just works out that way. Eight months ago one of them snuck-out 4 nights in a row with me. I was ST-ing in the afternoon from Santos, resting and reading in the evenings, and she would come over about 12:15 each night. Whatta life huh?

[QUOTE=Robbaf]I have a cutie from Pony Tails that I see when I am in AC. Now that Pony Tails is closed:( she has moved to Club Asia and her EWR was 1500P at Pony Tails, but now they want 3000P because she is on Fields. I asked the momma if she twice as good now???

I paid the first night (got suckered in by not asking before she changed) but I told her sorry I don't support the 3000P EWR. She worked the next night and then stayed with me for two days and I paid her, not the bar. I don't support sneakouts, but I also do not support bars who think they can screw customers.

Robb[/QUOTE]

I thought Pony Tails reopened. I'm going back to AC in a couple weeks and was looking forward to stopping in to see Miss E (nickname Giggles), who was one of their spotlight dancers.

[quote=malibu21]just come back from ac.

the taxi from clark airport to field avenue increase from p300 to p500. i check the price list at the taxi counter, written angeles city = p500. correct me if i'm wrong.

when i finally go to the last stop of the baggage checking place that need to remove my shoes, the officer found that i have a huge fat wallet and want to check it. i open my wallet, and he ask me how much peso i have? i answer just a few hundred and quickly put it back to my pocket and leave. fortunately, most of the money is not in peso. last time when i arrive at clark airport, the officer also ask the same question "how much peso you have? " i wonder why and what the best answer to reply. should i report a low amount or high amount?[/quote]on the taxi, yes i was there last week as well and it is now p500 (about usd$10), i squawked a bit but its been p300 (about usd$6) for the past few years.

on the "how many pesos question. " if you look on your imigration form it states that you need special permission from the central bank of the philippines to bring more than p10, 000 into the phils. from the treatment you got at the airport, if you answered that you had more than p10k, you might have gotten some of all of your pesos confirep001ed (taken away). so for the high number/low number question, i suggest an answer below p10k.

rr

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]Everybody here has valid points. I am just saying if a fellow monger comes across a track star "runner" and you expected more. The Gent can request for a refund. The key word here is "satisfaction". She states she would do Long Time, Head, Anal, DATY and or Bare Back.

Get your CASH!

Simple.

Oh, Korean Mongers are the only folks entitled to the refund?[/QUOTE]You will never get most guys to do this. (some will. You did. So there are those who are anal about these things). But most wouldn't.

Most koreans do not request refunds. They probably are the ones who barfine girls for just bar hopping the most. Not even requesting sex. Just company while they bar hop.

I bar hop with 2 koreans several times and we have sat with others.

They may put girls thru a lineup to judge them, to see if they will take them. But once they have chosen. They are usually generous with LDs and less demanding about sex.

If a babe wants to leave. So be it. Especially if you have hit it already once. If you do the necessary upfront work of talking to and not at them. Youd probably get better results. Beside not too many bars are going to return any money after you have hit it once.

I think a lot of guys would consider it petty and a waste of time.complaining about such a trival issue.

You are not buying an item from a store. This is a human being you're talking about. And you want to treat it as if you bought a something with a money back guarantee.

[QUOTE=Rubio Tonto]I thought Pony Tails reopened. I'm going back to AC in a couple weeks and was looking forward to stopping in to see Miss E (nickname Giggles), who was one of their spotlight dancers.[/QUOTE]The PonyTails was still close last week.

[QUOTE=Sammon]For sneakouts I suggest inviting them to Manila. Once I am in touch with a perticular girl i let her know when I am landing in Manila and ask her to come to my Hotel. The girls know how to get around and will take the cheapest way from AC to Manila. Believe me she will be more relaxed in Manila rather than AC.

All girls working there are snitchs. If they see you with the girl they report to the bar and the mamasan and potentially get her into trouble. It happened to me one time. Over her objections I took her to to eat at the mall and buy her some gifts. Later I did go to the ar and talked to the mamasan and barfined her. At that time BF was only 1200 pesos.[/QUOTE]Yes, they feel more relax in a far away place from AC. I used ask a girl sneak out to my place the Savannah Hotel. She don't want to go outside and we just boom boom in the rooms and eat in the rooms from day to night. A little boring since i'm not so into sex.

I heard from a bar girl say that more than 20% of the bar girl in AC is LESBIAN

Anyone heard some lesbian story.

I also notice that there are many FAKE boobs now in some big club like Forbidden City. There are more girl smoking and fighting, no body painting no t-back, the place is getting worst. I tot I'm in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1]However, I have an electronic black book of them in my phone in AC now, former one-time barfines, who are happy to come over...........[/QUOTE]
Same experience here. But I prefer them to come over in the afternoon before shift or on off-day.
Evening I want to barfine a new one.

Yeah, whatta life, :D

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Robbaf]I have a cutie from Pony Tails that I see when I am in AC. Now that Pony Tails is closed:( she has moved to Club Asia and her EWR was 1500P at Pony Tails, but now they want 3000P because she is on Fields. I asked the momma if she twice as good now???

I paid the first night (got suckered in by not asking before she changed) but I told her sorry I don't support the 3000P EWR. She worked the next night and then stayed with me for two days and I paid her, not the bar. I don't support sneakouts, but I also do not support bars who think they can screw customers.

Robb[/QUOTE]Robb,

That is a good way to work the systems ,I do this all the time just get the girl cell number and call them the next day , I done this at Miss universive and burgos bar in Manila ,we should all do this screw the bar before they screw you no barfine and deal with the girl get them to stay with you for a few hr before they go to work ,I done a few girl for ST like this for 1000 peso in AC make sure you paid them after not upfront.

[QUOTE=Malibu21]The PonyTails was still close last week.[/QUOTE]
I was told by a bargirl yesterday, PT will be back in business within 2 weeks.
Cheers!

[QUOTE=Malibu21]I heard from a bar girl say that more than 20% of the bar girl in AC is LESBIAN

Anyone heard some lesbian story.

I also notice that there are many FAKE boobs now in some big club like Forbidden City. There are more girl smoking and fighting, no body painting no t-back, the place is getting worst. I tot I'm in Thailand.[/QUOTE]
Who cares if 20% is a Lesbian? I am a lesbian:D

That leaves 6,402 more available:) 4,603 are on their day off or sneak out:)

Robb

[QUOTE=Malibu21]
I also notice that there are many FAKE boobs now in some big club like Forbidden City. There are more girl smoking and fighting, no body painting no t-back, the place is getting worst. I tot I'm in Thailand.[/QUOTE]
I did not notice many fake boobs in AC. Definately more in Thailand. I did, however, see a lot more girls smoking than before. Seems like philippino whroes love to smoke.

In some ways the place is getting worse, but it depends what you like and what you're looking for. I think we all agree that it is starting to get more expensive.

[QUOTE=Malibu21]I heard from a bar girl say that more than 20% of the bar girl in AC is LESBIAN

Anyone heard some lesbian story.

I also notice that there are many FAKE boobs now in some big club like Forbidden City. There are more girl smoking and fighting, no body painting no t-back, the place is getting worst. I tot I'm in Thailand.[/QUOTE]

I have not seen any fake boobs in AC except on Ladyboys walking on fields avenue.
I doubt the girls atleast the young fresh ones do have the money to get a new set.
Philippine Lesbians is not the same as other lesbians in other countries. They may play around little bit with each other but not go full throttle sex. Many a time I have barfined two girls who said they like each other but in the room refuse to do anything except kiss and touch boobs.
You can sometimes see the dancing girls touching each other but it is not the same as Lesbianism.

[QUOTE=Sammon]I have not seen any fake boobs in AC except on Ladyboys walking on fields avenue.

I doubt the girls atleast the young fresh ones do have the money to get a new set[/QUOTE]I suspect the big club borrow some money to "help" them to get a new set. The hot girl have some priority and the club can keep them longer because the hot girl are in debts. I prefer the original set.

[QUOTE=Ruff Rider]On the taxi, yes I was there last week as well and it is now P500 (about USD$10), I squawked a bit but its been P300 (about USD$6) for the past few years.[/QUOTE]Guys, correct me if I'm wrong. But why are you guys paying 500p for the taxi from clark to fields? There is a 30p a/c shuttle that now operates from clark airport.

FZ

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Murder rate is lower than the World, US and Thai average.

It is also lower than Amsterdam, and significantly lower than Tijuana!

[QUOTE=Freezone]Guys, correct me if I'm wrong. But why are you guys paying 500p for the taxi from clark to fields? There is a 30p a/c shuttle that now operates from clark airport.

FZ[/QUOTE]Freezone,

Not everyone want to sit in a crowded shuttle with 20 other smelly guy, same reason that some of us are willing to pay 2000 peso for taxi from manila to AC.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Undakovabrotha]Who cares what the girls think! They will go with you to the 800 pesos a night hotels as long as you pay. [/QUOTE]
I dont think so.
Barfined yesterday a 3,000ps stunner.
After the usual blahblah I asked "we go together?"
Immediately the reply "Where u stay?"
"LGH"
"Okay, I change clothes now?"
"Okay."

I bet, when I would be staying in a 800ps rathole,
she'd have had menstruation. For sure.

Performance wasn't better or worse than other girls, but eye-candy from time to time, why not?
After lotsa beer in the evening she was a clear 10,
in the morning still 8.5 or 9.

Had 3 barfines so far, no runner yet.

Someone mentioned problems with ST rooms?
Used ST-rooms for afternoon-fun now 2 times, no problem.
Furthermore, still anything goes in AC. Could get a handjob openly in the bar and with the help of several LD and some baby-oil the girls finished it up till cum.
:D Loving it....

Came along Pony Tail yesterday, some girls there told me it may even open again by tomorrow.

Otherwise business as usual.
Whatta life, hehe.... :D

[QUOTE=Ekspat]I dont think so.
Barfined yesterday a 3,000ps stunner.
After the usual blahblah I asked "we go together?"
Immediately the reply "Where u stay?"
"LGH"
"Okay, I change clothes now?"
"Okay."

I bet, when I would be staying in a 800ps rathole,
she'd have had menstruation. For sure.


:D Loving it....

Otherwise business as usual.
Whatta life, hehe.... :D[/QUOTE]

I'm jealous.

I sort of agree with what you say about the hotels and the girls. I think it would definitely give you the edge if you were competing for someone.

However, there is another way to look at it. If you were competing against someone for a stunner, and you offered her the difference in cost between LGH and the 800P rathole as a tip. I reckon I know which way she'd flip.

So it really boils down to what you like in a hotel, you first, and then if that works for the ladies, so much the better.

[QUOTE=Malibu21]I heard from a bar girl say that more than 20% of the bar girl in AC is LESBIAN

Anyone heard some lesbian story.[/QUOTE]I'd say 20% is a conservative figure.

If you think it is kind of sexy in the bar, where the girls are pretty, wait till you see them fight over a fat dyke at the karaoke bars behind. it will quickly change your mind, you'll be wishing she did have a filipino boyfriend.

[QUOTE=Rubberyman]However, there is another way to look at it. If you were competing against someone for a stunner, and you offered her the difference in cost between LGH and the 800P rathole as a tip. I reckon I know which way she'd flip.

So it really boils down to what you like in a hotel, you first, and then if that works for the ladies, so much the better.[/QUOTE]Fully agree. For somewhat 3,000ps tip in cash she'll go in the rathole over LGH.

But I never stayed in such holes and I'm not willing to start it now.

Waiting for the Raffles Singapore to open a similar hotel in AC.

Afraid it won't happen.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Rubberyman]I'm jealous.

I sort of agree with what you say about the hotels and the girls. I think it would definitely give you the edge if you were competing for someone.[/QUOTE]There is a situation where you would be competing, in the land of a thousand snatches, for a girl? Jeez, if a girl was put off by my hotel, I'd send her back to the dance line, and call another over? For me, she's either dying to get her share of the barfine (and do my goodies), or I'm not interested. I realize girls can be a bit picky, and each girl is choosy in a different way. Hotel might be important to this girl, or nice guy is important to that girl. But as its a business, they are ho's (they are there to make money; most everytime she barfines with someone new, its not with someone she likes), their boss expects them not to turn down a barfine very often, and there's a bunch of other girls to choose from, the advantage is in the gent's court, anytime. Dump/replace her with a more acquiescent model.

[QUOTE=Freezone]Guys, correct me if I'm wrong. But why are you guys paying 500p for the taxi from clark to fields? There is a 30p a/c shuttle that now operates from clark airport.

FZ[/QUOTE]Really? I've been at Clark 4 times in the last month and I didn't see it, but then I wasn't looking for it either. Is it near the taxi stand and is it 24/7?

It's open again.
Enjoy!

Its a foolish man who thinks that these babes will barfine with you becos of your hotel.

First off you would never be competing with another guy so as to have a girl make a judgement call like that. Have you ever asked a girl about barfining her and she said where you staying. Found out then said wait. Ran to another table talked to another guy then came back and gave you her answer. Hell no. You get the response right away. Yes or no.

Do they think that one hotel is nicer than another. Sure. Will they turn down a bar fine strictly based upon the quality of the hotel. I've never seen or heard of it happening. The ony reason I've ever heard of the hotel even coming into the equation was with the American hotel and thats because some of the babes believe it has a ghost. And some are very superstitous. But it had nothing to do with the quality of the hotel.

Do you honestly think these babes who are sleeping in slum conditions. No air. A soiled matress if that. Cold water to shower. Is turning down the first guy who ask. If nothing else is turning them off. That she would say no. I'm holding out for someone whos staying at a nicer hotel. Hell no. She is out the door.

All that impressing the girls is all in your head. But if it makes you feel good. Do what ever it takes. Why not rent the LGH limo too. I bet that would really impress the girls.

[QUOTE=Abc Hotel]Here is an important article comparing the Angeles City murder rate with other comparable cities and countries in the World:

[url]http://www.angelescity.com/index.php?newsID=297[/url]

Murder rate is lower than the World, US and Thai average.

It is also lower than Amsterdam, and significantly lower than Tijuana![/QUOTE]The only difference is that in AC, it is the foreigners who are the targets, whereas in US or anywhere, it would be 'anybody' - and that sort of increases your chances of getting reamed. I know a guy who has been waylaid 5 times in AC, and everytime he got off with a few thousand peso in his possession and his cheap mobile and watch .. and every time he went to the cops, the first thing they asked was "did you declare the money, how much more do you have .. "

I am betting that 90% or more of the victims dare not even lodge a complaint to firstly not to loose face, and secondly they dread Angeles Finest more than the thieves.

Over and out

[QUOTE=Fishfinger]I'd say 20% is a conservative figure.

If you think it is kind of sexy in the bar, where the girls are pretty, wait till you see them fight over a fat dyke at the karaoke bars behind. It will quickly change your mind, you'll be wishing she did have a Filipino boyfriend.[/QUOTE]What everybody is missing is being lesbian is not the same as acting it in front of another guy.

I met a few pinas lesbians, who openly declare they are so, and don't get excited when a few 'buttons' are pressed, but the notion of acting it out in front of me did draw a gasp. Anyway, also some confided that they do the lesbian charade to keep some guys away.

Hehe, how about this two ratholes? Found this two for a threesome and
lucky me... guess what... [b] both nicely hairy!!![/b]

Can't stand these badly "tried-to-be-shaven" pussy's anymore.

Cheers!

Hi Ekspat,

I fully agree with you. What is better than a hole covered with some nice soft hair with good smell? I hate my face getting scratched by those stubble.

Enjoy AC - I will be there soon!

Wonderer

[QUOTE=Ekspat]I dont think so.
Barfined yesterday a 3,000ps stunner.
After the usual blahblah I asked "we go together?"
Immediately the reply "Where u stay?"
"LGH"
"Okay, I change clothes now?"
"Okay."

I bet, when I would be staying in a 800ps rathole,
she'd have had menstruation. For sure.
[/QUOTE]IMHO, the more important thing is your personality.

The obvious advantage you can get from a good hotel is she will more likely to stay longer and maybe ask her friend come to join for swimming or 3P.

She wouldn't go with you if she don't like you, even if you are stay in heaven.

I assume that you are paying at least P1000 tips. It is weird for me if I stay in a 3000P+ hotel and just pay 500P tips to the girls.

Usually I stay at the 800P rathole that you mention, but I just need a bed. I stay at the LGH & Savannah before. The LGH have better environment, the swimming bar and classic white. Savannah is better in rooms, their bed is softer and comfortable than LGH, their jaguzzi is awesome for a 3some or 4P.

[QUOTE=Ekspat]

Hehe, how about this two ratholes? Found this two for a threesome and
lucky me... guess what... [b] both nicely hairy!!![/b]

Can't stand these badly "tried-to-be-shaven" pussy's anymore.

Cheers!

[/QUOTE]

I call those lightly furred compared to others I have seen. I did one Pinay who had a bush like a brillo pad and it scratched just as bad. Was clean and tasted sweet though.

I don't mind a bit a fur as long as its nicely trimmed and the lips are clean. Hate getting the curly pubes stuck between my teeth.

Your ladies look pretty nice.

Slim

[QUOTE=Nvslim]I call those lightly furred compared to others I have seen. I did one Pinay who had a bush like a brillo pad and it scratched just as bad. Was clean and tasted sweet though.

I don't mind a bit a fur as long as its nicely trimmed and the lips are clean. Hate getting the curly pubes stuck between my teeth.

Your ladies look pretty nice.

Slim[/QUOTE]
No way is there any hair on any girl I shag...a real mood killer if there is even stubble..but as long as they shave or let me shave them when they meet me all is fine and horny :D However I encourage them to do beforehand if they dont do it regularly

A few to help you decide if shaved is better ... or not...;)

And when you are licking, those hairs get in the way and can be disgusting IMHO

Some good points, but i think the logic is incorrect. Spend five minutes in the lobby of ABC and you will see some of the finest women in the Philippines sashaying in and out. Why is that?

Think about the message the hotel sends:

800 pesos dump: working class guy on a budget, small tip, no cable, no pool, etc.

$100+ room at ABC: guy has cash, can expect a good tip, good restaurants, large screen tv with cable, pool, chocolate stash in the frig, potential for a long term bar fine, maybe even a trip to the beach, bragging rights with the other gals.

The gal doesn't have to walk across the bar to compare -- if she was in ABC last night and has a nice tip, she may be a bit choosy.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Its a foolish man who thinks that these babes will barfine with you becos of your hotel.

First off you would never be competing with another guy so as to have a girl make a judgement call like that. Have you ever asked a girl about barfining her and she said where you staying. Found out then said wait. Ran to another table talked to another guy then came back and gave you her answer. Hell no. You get the response right away. Yes or no.

Do they think that one hotel is nicer than another. Sure. Will they turn down a bar fine strictly based upon the quality of the hotel. I've never seen or heard of it happening. SNIP [/QUOTE]

It's good that tastes are different.

For mine, I still prefer a small fur (somtimes it needs to be trimmed). And of course, the lips and hair must be washed well and have good smell. Otherwise, it's a turn-off with our without hair...

Wonderer

[QUOTE=Wicked Roger]No way is there any hair on any girl I shag...a real mood killer if there is even stubble..[/QUOTE]
I guess your one of the reasons so many girls on my last trip to AC were shaved. Bummer. I think the preference to have girls shaved is mainly a western guy thing.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Its a foolish man who thinks that these babes will barfine with you becos of your hotel.

All that impressing the girls is all in your head. But if it makes you feel good. Do what ever it takes. [/QUOTE]

I agree. Last year an associate of mine was staying at the ABC. Very swanky. He barfined a 3000 baht cutie and I'm sure she was duly impressed with his lodgings but when she realised he was completely drunk and mildly abusive she cut loose in the middle of night with the contents of his mini bar stuffed inside a plastic bag.

How do I know this? She came straight to me in my relative rathole (for free) at 4 in the morning. Me being a relatively nice guy and all...

The girls IMHO make judgments about people not where they stay. Unless of course the the attraction of the place outweights the attraction of the guy.

[QUOTE=Doppel One]I agree. Last year an associate of mine was staying at the ABC. Very swanky. He barfined a 3000 baht cutie and I'm sure she was duly impressed with his lodgings but when she realised he was completely drunk and mildly abusive she cut loose in the middle of night with the contents of his mini bar stuffed inside a plastic bag.

How do I know this? She came straight to me in my relative rathole (for free) at 4 in the morning. Me being a relatively nice guy and all...

The girls IMHO make judgments about people not where they stay. Unless of course the the attraction of the place outweights the attraction of the guy.[/QUOTE]
I do not understand why people are trying to impress *****s working in the bar. Maybe they have a inferiority complex. It is ok if they like to pay more and get a posh hotel for the stay for yourself rather than to impress girls. Where do they think they are, a normal dating town?
All of us go to AC to enjoy with hookers aka bargirls. Yes, you should treat them nicely and take them to nice restaurents etc if you want a GFE feeling. It does not make anydifference to them where you are staying. Only thing will be they are hoping for a big tip. These girls have stayed in almost all hotels from a low class hotel to high class. All they need is a bed. Only reason they will stay with you long time is because they like you not because of the hotel.
On the other hand if you are meeting a georgeous normal girl I am sure she will be impressed by your top class hotel.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I guess your one of the reasons so many girls on my last trip to AC were shaved. Bummer. I think the preference to have girls shaved is mainly a western guy thing.[/QUOTE]
LOL Amjeck

I rarely go AC but I know many are shaved..and maybe you are right, it is a western thing who knows, all I know I cant stand all those hairs in my mouth etc after a good licking and seeing a freshly shaved/waxed pussy (especially is she is a cherry) is a wonderful horny site

But I have a very good western friend who swears by a forest down there so each to his own.

A few more examples LOL

As I learned from the forum there is a huge difference in the barfine between the bars on Fields Avenue in Angeles City, some charge 1.300, some charge 3.000.

Is there a list about the barfines or a list of the bars with the cheaper barfine aroung 1.300 p?

Why shall I pay 3.000 if I can get the same for less than the half?

Reading recent posts... What has happened? Two years ago Perimeter EWR was 1000PHP and Fields 1350PHP. Now you are celebrating 3000PHP as a bargain???

My reference is Brass Knob and Champagne.

[QUOTE=Ekspat]Hehe, how about this two ratholes? Found this two for a threesome and
lucky me... guess what... [b] both nicely hairy!!![/b]

Can't stand these badly "tried-to-be-shaven" pussy's anymore.

Cheers![/QUOTE]
Way to go:) I hate shaved, unless it freshly shaved, but I prefer some hair on my pie:D

Robb

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Its a foolish man who thinks that these babes will barfine with you becos of your hotel.

First off you would never be competing with another guy so as to have a girl make a judgement call like that. Have you ever asked a girl about barfining her and she said where you staying. Found out then said wait. Ran to another table talked to another guy then came back and gave you her answer. Hell no. You get the response right away. Yes or no.

Do they think that one hotel is nicer than another. Sure. Will they turn down a bar fine strictly based upon the quality of the hotel. I've never seen or heard of it happening. The ony reason I've ever heard of the hotel even coming into the equation was with the American hotel and thats because some of the babes believe it has a ghost. And some are very superstitous. But it had nothing to do with the quality of the hotel.

Do you honestly think these babes who are sleeping in slum conditions. No air. A soiled matress if that. Cold water to shower. Is turning down the first guy who ask. If nothing else is turning them off. That she would say no. I'm holding out for someone whos staying at a nicer hotel. Hell no. She is out the door.

All that impressing the girls is all in your head. But if it makes you feel good. Do what ever it takes. Why not rent the LGH limo too. I bet that would really impress the girls.[/QUOTE]
It may be foolish to think, but I am willing to bet it is true. I don't think it is about tip, I think it is more about the girls feeling comfortable.

If you are a repeat customer I don't think matters where you stay, as the girl already feels safe with you.

I asked a "Pony Tails" girl why she does sneak outs and she told me that she only does it with guys that she knows and who she has been with that treated her well.

But as Ekspat posted, a new girl will ask what hotel you stay.

ABC is the bomb! Try going in the ABC and let her shower first and then turn on the in-house porn channels and go shower and see what happens when you return:D My buddy told me to try it and I was SHOCKED at the result, especially when you have three or four girls:D

BTW, I stay in hotel that I like and not for the girls! My top three hotel are the ABC, Clarkton and it was LG, but now not going back:(

Trip #17 (I think) this year scheduled for 23 Sep:D

Robb

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Please PM if you have any questions.

[url]http://www.smilemakeoverdental.net/[/url]

Robb

[QUOTE=Punter 127]Really? I've been at Clark 4 times in the last month and I didn't see it, but then I wasn't looking for it either. Is it near the taxi stand and is it 24/7?[/QUOTE]The last visit I made to AC , this van service was not in place yet as it is fairly new. From another member who was there 2 months ago, he said the van schedule depends on the flight schedules, so could be 24/7 if flights are arriving round the clock. He saw the van outside the terminal waiting for the passengers as they left the airport. Price was 30p to checkpoint.

FZ

[QUOTE=Abc Hotel]Here is an important article comparing the Angeles City murder rate with other comparable cities and countries in the World:

[url]http://www.angelescity.com/index.php?newsID=297[/url]

Murder rate is lower than the World, US and Thai average.

It is also lower than Amsterdam, and significantly lower than Tijuana![/QUOTE]1st impression about this whole article is somewhat tainted. Notice the statistics were released by the AC police dept--ha, thats a laugh in itself as they often underreport or not bother reporting crimes to make themselves look like they are doing a good job. I'd love to see the AC police release a crime report on police corruption in AC if you know what I mean.

Just my thoughts.

FZ

[QUOTE=Robbaf]It may be foolish to think, but I am willing to bet it is true. I don't think it is about tip, I think it is more about the girls feeling comfortable.

If you are a repeat customer I don't think matters where you stay, as the girl already feels safe with you.

I asked a "Pony Tails" girl why she does sneak outs and she told me that she only does it with guys that she knows and who she has been with that treated her well.

But as Ekspat posted, a new girl will ask what hotel you stay.

ABC is the bomb! Try going in the ABC and let her shower first and then turn on the in-house porn channels and go shower and see what happens when you return:D My buddy told me to try it and I was SHOCKED at the result, especially when you have three or four girls:D

BTW, I stay in hotel that I like and not for the girls! My top three hotel are the ABC, Clarkton and it was LG, but now not going back:(

Trip #17 (I think) this year scheduled for 23 Sep:D

Robb[/QUOTE]Man I have had 3 somes 4 somes as many as 5 at a time. And have never stayed in a hotel over $30. Never a runner. No runners and always get new babes. As I stated. We are talking about girls who for the most part slept on floors in a shanty. And you think they will not be happy staying in any room which has a bed and air. That better than any of them would sleep if they don't bar fine. Will they like the top hotels better. Sure. But do I think it will be a deal maker or breaker. No. If the girl doesn't want to go with you. Then the hotel isn't going to change her mind. And if she was going to go with you. I've never heard of anyone who said. She said yes but when I told her my hotel she changed her mind. And I don't care where you stay. You should never tip more than 500p.

[QUOTE=X Man]Spend five minutes in the lobby of ABC and you will see some of the finest women in the Philippines sashaying in and out. Why is that?
[/QUOTE]
Same here. Almost all the girls I see with customer either in the lobby or at the restaurant at the pool side are above average.
I guess these poor things were late and all cheaper hotels were fully taken and so they were forced to go in ABC, Savannah or LG.
Just joking, no offence intended. :D

Anyway, I've stayed eg. in Brass Knob before, sorry, I can't stand this tiny rooms.
Now me here on 50 sqm Executive, Balkony, very quiet, Jacuzzi etc pp.
Loving huge rooms and the bed is 8'x8' accomodating easily 2-3 girls.

I like the nice pool, having wireless when relaxing at the pool,
having fast and stable Internet in room, eg. when downloading a big attachement or a movie, it's going with 500-600 kByte per second.
Having a driver standing by in case of rain.
Having AC and power cause of generator in case of one of the notorious black-outs.

All these amenities I'm willing to pay a premium. [b]Primarily for my own comfort.[/b].
That the girls like it is just a well appreciated bonus.

I guess it comes with getting older, that someone is less and less willing to compromise or so. Just wanna have it nice and neatly.

But thats JMHO..... Sorry for off-topic.
Gosh, I love those firm young bodies.... :D :p

Enjoy!