Stupid shit in Medellin

You do not have to agree with it. Nor do you have to show you limited intellectual capacity by calling me stupid because I didn't consult your expertise in finding a paying prostitutes in Medellin. But you do have to acknowledge that the issue is open to debate. And that there are individuals on both sides of the issue.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2826738]Exactly. After fucking all kinds of women in all kinds of countries it gets pretty mundane. If you have never been there and done that then you get all excited. Like when I took a chick to the aquarium. She was all excited and all the other visitors were all excited. But I am a master scuba diver. To me it was just normal and business as usual seeing these magnificent sea creatures.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mtndew704;2826710]Pussy is pussy to guys who been getting laid. You just started sleeping with women 2 years ago so its still unique and brand new to you.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SubCmdr;2824661]I have the opinion that pussy is indeed pussy. [B]Especially[/B] when you are paying for it. The more you pay for pussy the less you are paying for sexual services and the more you are paying for the life support system for the pussy and all the benefits that come with the package. I have never had a girl actually perform better in the bed depending on how much they are getting paid. Now you don't have to agree with me. I do not need anyone to agree with me. My dick. My money. And no grown man should be telling another how to spend their money or who they should be fucking. And it should be noted that my experiences or opinions do not invalidate yours. In all endeavours cooperation is better and confrontation. You are ok. I am ok.[/QUOTE]This is my last post on the subject. Let's see if [S]Elvis 2008[/S] is the type of person that has to get the last word in.

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2826844]It's the simplest thing possible. Are the women you fuck women who you want to fuck? That's a simple boolean question. Possible answers are yes (1) and no (0).[/QUOTE]Pretty much sums up how I do it. Either I want to fuck her or I don't. Seems like an awful chore to have to go down a checklist to make sure a hooker meets all kind of criteria. When I see a woman I know immediately whether I want to tear that ass up or not. No need to take any measurements or go over her teeth for cavities. They are all going to rot after I skeet in her mouth anyway.

What is better: orange juice, apple juice or grapefruit juice? On an objective scale 1-10 of course.

Orange juice is obviously 6, apple juice is 8 and grapefruit juice is 7,5. I would even drink water (5). Unless on a desert then I would dink anything wet (10).

Normally though I just ask myself: do I want to drink that? And if answer is yes, I do it.

Afterwards I ask myself: Would I drink that again? Was it good? Then proceed accordingly.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2826947]What is better: orange juice, apple juice or grapefruit juice? On an objective scale 1-10 of course.

Orange juice is obviously 6, apple juice is 8 and grapefruit juice is 7,5. I would even drink water (5). Unless on a desert then I would dink anything wet (10).

Normally though I just ask myself: do I want to drink that? And if answer is yes, I do it.

Afterwards I ask myself: Would I drink that again? Was it good? Then proceed accordingly.[/QUOTE]You either have to specify some additional criteria (better in what? Nutritional value? Vitamin see? Antioxidants? Etc) or compare juice from concentrate vs not from concentrate vs raw / fresh squeezed.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2826908]This is more fun than I planned on having today.

Let's start with the last first. I didn't invent binary. There's no Nobel Prize category

This horse has been beaten until even the horseshoes are dust. The 1-10 scale is subjective. Look it up, because at least a dozen people have explained it dozens of times and you still have the same amount of clues as the dead turtle I saw earlier in the middle of the street. Your 8 might be another man's 6, or 10, or even 3.

Something else explained dozens of times:

Most of us are here to fuck.

It's funny you mentioned La Isla again. Memory problems? You brought exact same thing up the last time and I showed you exactly how I would review La Isla by quoting my (at the time) recent review of La Isla. I'll paraphrase. There were about 100 women working, some who I thought were gorgeous. They came in all shapes and sizes, so no matter what your preferences are, you should have been able to find something you like.

See how easy that is?

Real quick on the food. My review of the lobster at a restaurant doesn't appeal to someone who hates seafood. However, if I report that the menu has a lot of options, it's now useful for everyone. The opposite of you.[/QUOTE]Most are here to just fuck. Is that subjective or objective statement. And really so what is GFE.

If they don't like lobster could you tell them how the steak you ordered was and how it compares to steaks in Argentina or at Ruths Chris or just that the 75% of the steaks you've eaten at a restaurant looked good and were edible. Try writing a review for a Culinary Magazine like that haha. Subjective doesn't mean not useful It can still be a useful comparison keeping in context its subjective. Alot easier to gain information on a Subjective scale from 1-10 than 0 or 1 subjective scale haha.

So at La Isla some of the 75% were "gorgeous", so how many were just Hot, or pretty or cute or any stunners? Guess we should reduce human language to not have a scale Its in your wording if some were gorgeous all 75 werent so there is a scale in your head more complex than Binary.

And if a get to know a girl fresh in her prime at 18 and fuck her again 14 years later. Is she still just a 1 or at some point does she change to a. 5. Or magically at 33 she turns into a straight 0.

I like the 1-10 scale just give me some backround on what your into before you rate the women at a location or country so I can get some context.

Your Binary scale is bonkers and more useless.

I have many friends. None of us use 1 - 10 scale to describe girls. We describe girls by their physical qualities and if we fucked or would like to fuck them. I know the tastes of my friends and therefore I can judge what they are saying by what I know about them. In a forum such as this, unless I know the person making the post personally I do not pay any attention to their ratings. Nor do I feel it is that important to get in to a flame war with someone over it.

Now when someone of limited intellectual capability calls me stupid or and idiot, well then we can go to the mat. Cause I am not the one!

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

Dr walks into the clinic and tells the patient "look I know pain is subjective but on a scale from 0 to 1 how much pain are you in".

Very helpful right? Not at all.

We as a world have an ethnosphere and more objective agreed upon general views of beauty. The fashion world and entertainment world is based on it.

Beauty used to be seen differently in other times when larger full bodied women were more appreciated and desired. Women great for Child bearing Botero type women haha Some countries or African tribes may maintain those preferences but not most of the Western World. Nothing against those who prefer fatter women or plastic women but looking past the tattoos or height, scale of beauty or hotness is still very relevant in my world. Stop acting like subjectivity affects the effectiveness or use of 1-10 scales in our world. They are used and useful in all facets of life.

I still understand the subjectivity of scales based on opinion or preference but its not hard to preface with your proclivities and preferences for women before you offer your number scale of the type of women available in any location.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2827119]None of us use 1 - 10 scale to describe girls.

Now when someone of limited intellectual capability calls me stupid or and idiot, well then we can go to the mat. Cause I am not the one!
[/QUOTE]If you were an early UFC fighter, I imagine you would be an expert in Greco-Roman.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2826983]You either have to specify some additional criteria (better in what? Nutritional value? Vitamin see? Antioxidants? Etc) or compare juice from concentrate vs not from concentrate vs raw / fresh squeezed.[/QUOTE]So does a 9 have more vitamins than a 5?

What about people who can't drink certain types of juices? Grapefruit juice is a good example. Certain classes of medications warn against consuming Grapefruit, or its juice. Other people shouldn't drink certain juices due to the acidity, or because of the sugar content.

Specifying 1 thing is useless. If I'm allergic to a juice that's higher in antioxidants and is fresh squeezed by Tibetan virgins under a full moon while reciting ancient mystical chants to connect the drinker with the highest level of consciousness, it's still not better than a glass of OJ from concentrate, served in a glass of questionable cleanliness at Waffle House.

Now is your golden opportunity!. When rating a woman 1-10, what are all the criteria? What is being measured and what is the ideal measurement? How are all of the criteria combined to determine a 1-10 value? Is the 1-10 scale linear? Logarithmic? Is it a hyperbole? Parabola? Is it a bell curve? Anything which can be measured objectively can be plotted as a curve.

Enlighten us.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2827162]If you were an early UFC fighter, I imagine you would be an expert in Greco-Roman.[/QUOTE]No, brother that is more your style.

My lethal weapon is my mind. [B]Think Jedi Mind Tricks![/B].

[I]How you like me now?[/I]

When you enter a medical facility with pain you are asked to describe the intensity of your pain on a scale of 1 - 10. You are then asked to describe the type of pain: Aching, Cramping, Fearful, Gnawing, Heavy, Hot or burning, Sharp, Shooting, Sickening, Splitting, Stabbing, Punishing or cruel, Tender, Throbbing, Tiring or exhausting. So now your medical provider has a much better idea of the intensity and nature of your pain in order to formulate a treatment pattern.

If you applied the same process to the describing the attractiveness of a girl you would start with your numerical rating and then go on the describe the body type, color of their skin, do they have any ass, long legs ect. Note that is what I want to know about and a mere number tells me nothing.

Since there are those who don't believe I have ever been to Colombia posting up in here I can tell you that I want to goto Cali. Because I have friends in Cali who send me pictures of Cali girls that are straight three alarm fire. Will someone please call 911. The most beautiful Colombianas I saw in Medellin had dark skin and ass! As far as I am concerned the city is full of "knock kneed bimbos walking like hos'. It is the city of no ass. And I understand exactly why a certain segment of the male population loses their mind of the girls of Medellin. I'm not one of them. Attractive yes. My type, no. Since I like my girls butterscotch to dark chocolate those of your who are mel.

Stop being narrow minded with you thoughts that what is good for you is good for everyone. I can tell you that if you are a melanin challenged individual you are going to like girls of a different type than I do as someone who does not have to worry about being closer to the sun on the equator. Two middle fingers up!

Stop trying to force your standard of beauty in the face of others who clearly do not agree with you. Although I can understand why individuals would do that since the original passport boys where the ones running around colonizing countries. Pillaging the resources of countries and taking advantage of the girls they find. And I can tell you for sure they did not look like me. LOL!

[B]“If you don’t do it like I do it you are an idiot or stupid.” - The MPC strikes again.[/B]

How you like me now?

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2827009]Most are here to just fuck. Is that subjective or objective statement. And really so what is GFE.

If they don't like lobster could you tell them how the steak you ordered was and how it compares to steaks in Argentina or at Ruths Chris or just that the 75% of the steaks you've eaten at a restaurant looked good and were edible. Try writing a review for a Culinary Magazine like that haha. Subjective doesn't mean not useful It can still be a useful comparison keeping in context its subjective. Alot easier to gain information on a Subjective scale from 1-10 than 0 or 1 subjective scale haha.

So at La Isla some of the 75% were "gorgeous", so how many were just Hot, or pretty or cute or any stunners? Guess we should reduce human language to not have a scale Its in your wording if some were gorgeous all 75 werent so there is a scale in your head more complex than Binary.

And if a get to know a girl fresh in her prime at 18 and fuck her again 14 years later. Is she still just a 1 or at some point does she change to a. 5. Or magically at 33 she turns into a straight 0.

I like the 1-10 scale just give me some backround on what your into before you rate the women at a location or country so I can get some context.

Your Binary scale is bonkers and more useless.[/QUOTE]Where are the holes?

I stated "Most of us are here to fuck. " I didn't say "Most of us are here [B]just[/B] to fuck. " See the difference? How you prefer to fuck has no bearing on how anyone else prefers to fuck. Some insist on BBFS, others only want covered. Some want DFK, others won't kiss a hooker. DATY? MSOG? Anal? CIM? COF? Swallow? If I tell you a girl is a 7 how do you know you'll get GFE from her? Even if I report she gave GFE, she might not give it to you, or your definition of GFE might differ from mine.

Let me clear up something you clearly don't understand (at least not on this ISG account). I don't report whether a girl is a 1 or 0. If I report that I fucked her, well, you should get someone to explain binary to you. I'll try.

If on my own personal scale, a 1 means a girl who I want to fuck, and I fucked her, then the report is about a girl who:

1. I wanted to fuck.

2. Who I fucked.

3. Who if you were capable of reading my mind and dug deep enough you would determine that I considered her someone I wanted to fuck, therefore a 1 on my scale.

Next.

If I report on a restaurant, and I've reported on many, there are many things I can report on. Cleanliness, service, attitude of the staff, quality, preparation and presentation of the food, atmosphere and the opinions of others who dined with me. If I ordered steak, highly unlikely in Colombia, then I would report on the steak I received. I would not compare it to steaks I've eaten in Nebraska, or at Ruth's Chris, because a person looking for a steak in Medellin isn't choosing between eating a steak in Medellin or going to Argentina for dinner.

Is there some new public health emergency that destroys reading comprehension?

You literally quoted my response about my reports on La Isla, yet you are asking questions already answered. Unless I list all of my preferences for women, plus how my preferences might vary from normal on any given night, then assign a 1-10 rating to each of the 30-100 girls working that particular night, my report is going to be incredibly long and contain no useful information. Plus, I would have to include names and enough of a description to identify each girl.

Sorry, but I don't go to La Isla to write a dissertation. I give my overall impression, I give a sampling of what I saw, and I express my opinion on how best to enjoy the club.

To me, La Isla is a place to go with friends. Get a bottle, get seated near the stage, party it up a bit. If a girl strikes your fancy, get her a drink, no rush to get her to a room. It's going to be expensive, but with the right people it's a good time.

If you get a girl at 18 and then again at 32? I don't know. Apparently, you still decided she was someone you wanted to fuck. How am I supposed to know whether you enjoyed her more at 18 or 32?

Why do a few have no ability to understand this? My scale is what I use. It's also the scale you use. I only fuck women who I want to fuck. That's my criteria. I don't try to assign a rating to the girls you want to fuck. I also don't assign a rating on how much you enjoyed fucking the girls you wanted to fuck.

I don't running around telling everyone "she's a 1, that one's a 0. " Just like you don't call up your mom and tell her you have a 7 coming over to swallow your load for 400 k.

If you like the 1-10 scale, use it. However, don't forget to lust all of your preferences every time you use it, so everyone has some context.

I'll stick with something simpler. Did I fuck her? Did I enjoy fucking her?

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2827148]Dr walks into the clinic and tells the patient "look I know pain is subjective but on a scale from 0 to 1 how much pain are you in".

Very helpful right? Not at all.

We as a world have an ethnosphere and more objective agreed upon general views of beauty. The fashion world and entertainment world is based on it.

Beauty used to be seen differently in other times when larger full bodied women were more appreciated and desired. Women great for Child bearing Botero type women haha Some countries or African tribes may maintain those preferences but not most of the Western World. Nothing against those who prefer fatter women or plastic women but looking past the tattoos or height, scale of beauty or hotness is still very relevant in my world. Stop acting like subjectivity affects the effectiveness or use of 1-10 scales in our world. They are used and useful in all facets of life.

I still understand the subjectivity of scales based on opinion or preference but its not hard to preface with your proclivities and preferences for women before you offer your number scale of the type of women available in any location.[/QUOTE]Completely different.

One of my doctors asks me to rate my pain 1-10 on each visit. Then she asks follow-up questions to quantify my pain level and compares my responses with past responses. By tracking my responses she can decide whether my treatment remains effective.

Beauty standards are meaningless on a personal level when talking about engaging in sex with a real woman. They do have minimal use for those with low self-esteem who want to pretend they're not riding any mopeds ("fucking a fat chick is like riding a moped. It's fun until your friends find out" That way they can claim after the fact a girl was an 8 or 9, when in reality she was just an average girl with low standards.

Tell me you don't fuck women and I'll understand. If that's the case, all you can do is assign numbers and dream.

However, if you fuck women, whether she was a 4 or a 9 doesn't matter.

1. Were you in a condition to make an informed decision whether or not to fuck her?

2. Did you want to fuck her?

3. Did you fuck her?

3 a. Did you pay her?

3 b. Did you feel you got a good value?

4. Did you enjoy fucking her?

You can get as detailed as you like. What matters is if you enjoyed it. She might have been the most beautiful woman you'd ever seen, but if you didn't enjoy the sex, you wasted your money.

Whether or not you enjoyed the sex, whether you rated her a 9 or 5, doesn't matter to anyone else.

You do realize that the completely unnecessary "haha" identifies your other account, right? Don't worry. I'll keep your secret, at least for today.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2827183]So does a 9 have more vitamins than a 5?

What about people who can't drink certain types of juices? Grapefruit juice is a good example. Certain classes of medications warn against consuming Grapefruit, or its juice. Other people shouldn't drink certain juices due to the acidity, or because of the sugar content.

Specifying 1 thing is useless. If I'm allergic to a juice that's higher in antioxidants and is fresh squeezed by Tibetan virgins under a full moon while reciting ancient mystical chants to connect the drinker with the highest level of consciousness, it's still not better than a glass of OJ from concentrate, served in a glass of questionable cleanliness at Waffle House.

Now is your golden opportunity!. When rating a woman 1-10, what are all the criteria? What is being measured and what is the ideal measurement? How are all of the criteria combined to determine a 1-10 value? Is the 1-10 scale linear? Logarithmic? Is it a hyperbole? Parabola? Is it a bell curve? Anything which can be measured objectively can be plotted as a curve.

Enlighten us.[/QUOTE]Do you know how to use google search? There is plenty of information about the 1-10 scale online, including comparison photos, descriptions of each category of attractiveness, etc. You can even find studies on the distribution of women according to the 1-10 attractiveness scale. But you won't understand shit, because you live in a primitive black and white binary world. A stray dog is probably more selective when choosing a sex partner than you are.

Speaking of the juice, if you are allergic that is your problem, not mine. Your allergy doesn't make the juice worse in any way. If you have erectile dysfunction and can't fuck a woman, or you are gay, that is your problem as well, it won't affect any woman's attractiveness.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2826614]... they are NOT happy. That is the whole problem. They are jealous and any time they hear someone is doing better than them they call them liars.
...
So the guys should feel better that they spent less in Centro and had a better time and got a better value, but all I hear is you didn't go out with no damned beauty queens.[/QUOTE]I only need to look at the expression on their face to tell if they are happy or not. That is based on face to face encounter. I don't need to look at the women to know that. I may not agree with it but that is irrelevant based on what I have already seen.

To me, I think when one needs less or requires less, one actually has more to choose from, and the result is he will likely be happier.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2827336]Do you know how to use google search? There is plenty of information about the 1-10 scale online, including comparison photos, descriptions of each category of attractiveness, etc. You can even find studies on the distribution of women according to the 1-10 attractiveness scale. But you won't understand shit, because you live in a primitive black and white binary world. A stray dog is probably more selective when choosing a sex partner than you are.[/QUOTE]I was teaching people to use Google before there was Google. WAIS, Gopher and Spider among others. So I searched. What did I find?

1. A list of descriptions of categories, subjective descriptions of categories.

2. I found subjective discussions about the scale and places where others could subjectively rate pictures. Those have been around for years.

What I didn't find was any method to objectively measure beauty to assign an objective rating on a 1-10 scale.

[QUOTE]Speaking of the juice, if you are allergic that is your problem, not mine. Your allergy doesn't make the juice worse in any way. If you have erectile dysfunction and can't fuck a woman, or you are gay, that is your problem as well, it won't affect any woman's attractiveness.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing you're the guy sitting for 5 minutes at the 4 way stop because he can't grasp binary.

If I'm allergic, or if a girl has a visible trait which I consider a defect, then that girl, or juice has lower attractiveness to me. We would each rate her, or it different.

Objective: Something which can be measured and the result is independent of the person performing the measurement. Example:

I'm 76 inches tall. No matter who measures me, the result is the same.

Subjective: Something which can be measured, although the results are totally dependent on the opinion of the person doing the measuring. Example:

The temperature drops to 62 F in Phoenix, in December. A native of Phoenix says it's cold. A visitor from Michigan says it's warm. The actual temperature is objective. How people feel about it is subjective.

When it comes to a 1-10 scale for attractiveness it's ridiculously, even stupidly easy to determine whether or not it's subjective. Ask. Or, just read the board.

If you want to continue to claim it's objective, all you need to do is prove it.

1. List all the things which are being measured, height, weight, bust, hip, waist, cheekbone height, shoe size ratios of leg vs body length, eye and hair color, hair length, spacing between eyes, length of fingers, etc. That's enough to get you started. All you have to do I'd list what the proper value is for each one for each 1-10 category.

2. Explain how you obtain all those measurements.

It's easy to show how selective each of us is. I've already posted pics in the past of women I've actually been with, while you only posted pics of women who wouldn't talk to you. Here's one from a few years ago. I tired of her quickly, because her conversation was lacking. It's a crappy screen grab.

As the title of this section sez Stupid Shit in Medellin. To throw my 2 cents in on this subject. In Cali theres a bar called Son Sonero. Yes its a lower end of chicas, but I find the chicas attractive there. To me theres a lot of attractive ones that hang out in the bar that I have dated and taken upstairs. But other guys have said these are a bunch of ugly dogs there. Don't look good at all.

Well everybody has got their own opinion of what's good looking chicas. To each their own subjective opinion.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2828039]I was teaching people to use Google before there was Google. WAIS, Gopher and Spider among others. So I searched. What did I find?

1. A list of descriptions of categories, subjective descriptions of categories.

2. I found subjective discussions about the scale and places where others could subjectively rate pictures. Those have been around for years.

What I didn't find was any method to objectively measure beauty to assign an objective rating on a 1-10 scale.


It's easy to show how selective each of us is. I've already posted pics in the past of women I've actually been with, while you only posted pics of women who wouldn't talk to you. Here's one from a few years ago. I tired of her quickly, because her conversation was lacking. It's a crappy screen grab.[/QUOTE]I would rate that girl a solid 8. Are we close in rating. Face has proportionate features pleasing to human eye. Large doe eyes. Nice button nose. Pretty eyebrows. I love natural girls so real non painted or filled in eyebrows is a plus. No lip fillers and not overdone in makeup. Love skinny chicks too and seems like she fits the bill. Spinner type young and glowing. She could either have a real nice big goofy fun smile it seems which is nice or too much gum would be the only negative I could see.

Mad props good on you. She looks like a fun one.

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2828111]I would rate that girl a solid 8. Are we close in rating. Face has proportionate features pleasing to human eye. Large doe eyes. Nice button nose. Pretty eyebrows. I love natural girls so real non painted or filled in eyebrows is a plus. No lip fillers and not overdone in makeup. Love skinny chicks too and seems like she fits the bill. Spinner type young and glowing. She could either have a real nice big goofy fun smile it seems which is nice or too much gum would be the only negative I could see.

Mad props good on you. She looks like a fun one.[/QUOTE]Well, he doesn't use 1 to 10, so his rating would be 1 on the 0-1 scale.

I don't know why he posted her photo, maybe just to brag, or maybe he wanted us to rate her, even though our ratings won't matter to him.

But I do agree with you, she is pretty, 7. 5/10 on my scale, if she straightens her teeth she could go even higher.

But my point is rating girls is not a rocket science if you know how to use the scale and be fair in your judging. You don't have run around with a measuring tape figuring out her proportions, sizes, etc. Our brain is capable of assessing women's beauty in just a few seconds. He is saying nobody uses the 1. 10 scale, but I do read posts / reports almost every single day, where guys talk about ratings, he got to be fucking blind not to notice that. What I haven't seen yet is another person using the binary scale.

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2828111]I would rate that girl a solid 8. Are we close in rating. Face has proportionate features pleasing to human eye. Large doe eyes. Nice button nose. Pretty eyebrows. I love natural girls so real non painted or filled in eyebrows is a plus. No lip fillers and not overdone in makeup. Love skinny chicks too and seems like she fits the bill. Spinner type young and glowing. She could either have a real nice big goofy fun smile it seems which is nice or too much gum would be the only negative I could see.[/QUOTE]When I saw it this is the first thing that popped into my mind and I can not unsee it that way.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2828203]...

I don't know why he posted her photo, maybe just to brag, or maybe he wanted us to rate her, even though our ratings won't matter to him...[/QUOTE]I think this is the reason.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2828039]...I've already posted pics in the past of women I've actually been with, while you only posted pics of women who wouldn't talk to you. ....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2828203].... What I haven't seen yet is another person using the binary scale.[/QUOTE]I have no problem with 1-10 scale but to me I probably can't really tell the difference between 7 to <10. If you list one girl for 7,8,9 each, I probably can rank them in the order of 1,2,3 but not be able to assign them a 1-10 scale.

10 probably means flawless so obviously that is easier to identify.

I use a physical scale. If I can have physical reaction, then it is yes/1, otherwise it is no/0. LOL.

[QUOTE=BayBoy;2828106]As the title of this section sez Stupid Shit in Medellin. To throw my 2 cents in on this subject. In Cali theres a bar called Son Sonero. Yes its a lower end of chicas, but I find the chicas attractive there. To me theres a lot of attractive ones that hang out in the bar that I have dated and taken upstairs. But other guys have said these are a bunch of ugly dogs there. Don't look good at all.

Well everybody has got their own opinion of what's good looking chicas. To each their own subjective opinion.[/QUOTE]That's it exactly!

You find what you enjoy. You enjoy it. You don't need to worry that someone is enjoying something different.

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2828111]I would rate that girl a solid 8. Are we close in rating. Face has proportionate features pleasing to human eye. Large doe eyes. Nice button nose. Pretty eyebrows. I love natural girls so real non painted or filled in eyebrows is a plus. No lip fillers and not overdone in makeup. Love skinny chicks too and seems like she fits the bill. Spinner type young and glowing. She could either have a real nice big goofy fun smile it seems which is nice or too much gum would be the only negative I could see.

Mad props good on you. She looks like a fun one.[/QUOTE]She was all natural, only 2 small, unnoticeable tattoos she hot when she was 12, was 18 with 1 kid, flaca body and a sweet voice. She was also a complete innocent at the time.

However, she quickly learned the ropes, found someone to buy her some silicone boobs and by that time I was done. I'd already found my current girl, who brings more to the table.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2826872]Anyway, at the 4 minute mark, you will see a perfect representation of this clown Subcmdr.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2826837]Are you fucking kidding me? If you have to ask that question above, then you are stupid, and that is not up for debate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2826464]You are a bullshit artist and I cut through your bullshit. You made a stupid post where you said women are all the same (pussy is pussy) and men are different.
And your second point is that hookers care about more than money. They care if men are clean, smooth, fit, do not smell bad. I agree. But you think men do not think the same of women? And THAT is why your point is stupid.
I am attacking your argument not you, and your argument makes no sense and is stupid. IMO you are lying to yourself and justifying being stingy with women.
Your being stupid does not mean I am smart.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2826614]Miss Cartagena was not the only beauty queen I dated, and I had all these assholes pipe in that she was not a beauty queen as if they knew better based on one photo. After her, I was not going to talk about the others. Now I don't care.

One was in Bogota. She competed in the Miss Venezuela pageant. She won in a medium size city and did not make the cut to go to nationals. How do I know she was not lying? First, this woman could wear a potato sack and make it look classy. She was always dressed perfectly. Second, her talent was dancing. She was as flexible as a Chinese acrobat and literally could do any dance to perfection. You name it. To this day, she had the tightest snatch of anyone I have ever been with.

You hear this, "all the women are only interested in money", and it is not always true, but I never met a beauty queen where it wasn't. I said before when you have a 10 at a bar, it is a privilege for you to buy a drink. With beauty queens, their attitude is that it is a privilege for you to spend hundreds at the mall. Maybe some guys think that is worth it, but I am not one of them.[/QUOTE]As a man who dates multiple beauty queens you seem to be very angry and uptight. You have a let a single individual (me) cause you to have apoplectic fits and show your use of the English language is not as strong as it needs to be.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2827674]Good point and good summary. Yeah, we got a newbie here who is arguing just to argue. There is no point to any of it outside of his trying to show how "brilliant he is.[/QUOTE]All anyone has to do is review your responses to me. Your vocabulary is limited to the following words: "bullshit", "moron", "clown", "stupid". All I need is five words for you to think I am "brilliant". I know you read my posts in order to learn. You are welcome.

I would like to see if you have the testicular fortitude to call me names to my face. In Medellin. If not then you are just a keyboard warrior typing until your fingers seize up because my post trigger you.

I am still waiting to read a post from you that contains information about having sex with girls. Not just bragging about what you have done or what you won't do. What you need to is get your beauty queens to suck your dick more. And chill out cause you are clearly one uptight individual.

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2828203]Well, he doesn't use 1 to 10, so his rating would be 1 on the 0-1 scale.

I don't know why he posted her photo, maybe just to brag, or maybe he wanted us to rate her, even though our ratings won't matter to him.

But I do agree with you, she is pretty, 7. 5/10 on my scale, if she straightens her teeth she could go even higher.

But my point is rating girls is not a rocket science if you know how to use the scale and be fair in your judging. You don't have run around with a measuring tape figuring out her proportions, sizes, etc. Our brain is capable of assessing women's beauty in just a few seconds. He is saying nobody uses the 1. 10 scale, but I do read posts / reports almost every single day, where guys talk about ratings, he got to be fucking blind not to notice that. What I haven't seen yet is another person using the binary scale.[/QUOTE]Here's why I posted her photo:

[QUOTE]It's easy to show how selective each of us is. I've already posted pics in the past of women I've actually been with, while you only posted pics of women who wouldn't talk to you.[/QUOTE]It's not rocket science. You keep talking about it like it's some perfect, shining beacon of truth and enlightenment, when it's just an opinion, often inflated.

What I've been saying is that everyone uses their own version of the 1-10 scale. Your 8 might be another's 5, his 8 might be a 4 to you. And that's just scratching the surface. The 5 or 6 you did might become a 7 when telling your friends. The 9 you thought you found might drop to a 6 when your buddies prove they each raw dogged her for 50 k.

After that it gets confusing. You declare my standards are probably 5 or below. When I post a picture, you immediately find a flaw that doesn't exist and downgrade it. If someone who strokes your ego posted the same picture you would have upgraded it. Elvis did the same thing awhile back when he declared you had found a 9, without any idea what the girl looked like. You do it all the time claiming guys you don't know are seeking out 4's and 5's, when you know nothing about who they are seeing.

I do the exact same as everyone else. I look at a woman and decide if I want to fuck her. If I do, I decide how much effort or money she's worth to me. When I'm done I decide whether or not she was worth it.

I just don't mess around trying to convince everyone the women I've fucked were anything special. If you're drinking a beer with me, I'll show you a photo, or video, if I have one. It's much easier and more reliable than trying to decide what number on the 1-10 scale to keep her in the range between impressive and believable.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2828319]I am still waiting to read a post from you that contains information about having sex with girls.[/QUOTE]You just quoted one. LOL.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2828319]You have a let a single individual (me) cause you to have apoplectic fits and show your use of the English language is not as strong as it needs to be..[/QUOTE]You are not relevant. You are like a fly buzzing around people's heads annoying them.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2828319]All anyone has to do is review your responses to me. Your vocabulary is limited to the following words: "bullshit", "moron", "clown", "stupid".[/QUOTE]Yeah, and I regret none of them. Instead of complaining about the name calling, up your game. Maybe tell about your experiences instead of how great you think you are.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2828319]I would like to see if you have the testicular fortitude to call me names to my face.[/QUOTE]And why would I want ever want to meet you?

I was not even going to say this, but in your desire to be relevant, you and Mr. E had a discussion. Mr. E thinks his way is the right way. He gets average looking women to fall for him and says he has real relationships while other guys pay for sex. When others pay or up their game to get the most in demand women, IMO I think he is jealous. Still, I have no problem accepting his POV because even though it is different than mine, it is logical. In fact, it is to my advantage that he and others like him like average looking women.

With you, you come along with this pussy is pussy argument and argue that you should be paying for it. Those two statements show you to be a loser that Mr. E has not just beaten but beaten to a pulp. Still, you are so busy arguing to argue, you don't even see how dumb you are being.

Now you will write a novel that basically will be "I am not dumb". Maybe you can list more of your credentials on a hooker board.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2828325]

After that it gets confusing. You declare my standards are probably 5 or below. When I post a picture, you immediately find a flaw that doesn't exist and downgrade it. If someone who strokes your ego posted the same picture you would have upgraded it. Elvis did the same thing awhile back when he declared you had found a 9, without any idea what the girl looked like. You do it all the time claiming guys you don't know are seeking out 4's and 5's, when you know nothing about who they are seeing.

I do the exact same as everyone else. I look at a woman and decide if I want to fuck her. If I do, I decide how much effort or money she's worth to me. When I'm done I decide whether or not she was worth it.

I just don't mess around trying to convince everyone the women I've fucked were anything special. If you're drinking a beer with me, I'll show you a photo, or video, if I have one. It's much easier and more reliable than trying to decide what number on the 1-10 scale to keep her in the range between impressive and believable.[/QUOTE]I rated her solely based on the photo you posted, and this has nothing to do with whether I like you personally or not. I rated her fairly, and as you already know, she meets my minimum standards and therefore is doable. And my rating corresponds with yours, since she is 1/1, or doable as well for you. The flaw that I found is not a major one and can definitely be fixed, just like the boobs. If anyone else posted the exact same photo, I would rated her the same.

As for the girls that I have fucked, I never share their photos on the public forum for various reasons, period. The photos that I had posted earlier, were the examples of the girls that I found attractive, I can't recall that I ever tried to contact them with p4 p proposals, but I were to contact them, most would never respond, simply because my messages would be lost in their inbox, girls that are in high demand are not easy to get their attention, especially on IG.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2828351]Instead of complaining about the name calling, up your game. Maybe tell about your experiences instead of how great you think you are[/QUOTE]I have posted about my experiences. Sorry, I cannot out do you. As you are the Prostitution El Jefe of Medellin.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2828351]And why would I want ever want to meet you?[/QUOTE]You just proved my point. Unable to exercise any command of the English language you continue to focus on your insults with laser focus. As if you think it bothers me at all.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2828351]I was not even going to say this, but in your desire to be relevant, you and Mr. E had a discussion. Mr. E thinks his way is the right way. He gets average looking women to fall for him and says he has real relationships while other guys pay for sex. When others pay or up their game to get the most in demand women, IMO I think he is jealous. Still, I have no problem accepting his POV because even though it is different than mine, it is logical. In fact, it is to my advantage that he and others like him like average looking women.[/QUOTE]You see everything as competition. You are actually nobody. Because it is not an achievement of anytype to get an attractive girl to go with you for money. Unless, you are saying the real achievement is in earning that money in the first place. You see it is the sharing of information here that is important. The the bragging type of posts you are so enamored with. Along with arguing to make yourself feel better.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2828351]With you, you come along with this pussy is pussy argument and argue that you should be paying for it. Those two statements show you to be a loser that Mr. E has not just beaten but beaten to a pulp. Still, you are so busy arguing to argue, you don't even see how dumb you are being.[/QUOTE]Now I have no problem saying this: E Boy he is a punk ass female dog that has been trolling me for close to 10 years. I understand that you did not know that. When you don't know then you should ask somebody. Rest assured I have no better thoughts of you.

If you are going quote me, you should at lease quote me accurately. I'm glad you enjoy riding E Boys dick so much. He seems to have an amazing affect on individuals as yourself and the girls he claims to be fucking for free. Because money is never involved in real relationships. The fact that you buy into that line of reasoning is enough for me to understand that you are just another one of my many critics. And you don't count. Because I am a "man in the arena".

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2828351]Now you will write a novel that basically will be "I am not dumb". Maybe you can list more of your credentials on a hooker board.[/QUOTE]You are misinformed about the nature of this forum. [B]The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women.[/B].

The reason I have no names for you is because the intellectual bankruptcy you display says it all. I will not be meeting you in court.

Pussy is indeed pussy. And when it comes to hiring prostitutes I remember that and stay focused on the deal not the girl. I don't care what you think of me or my ideas. Just keep calling names. Shows how immature you are. Now shouldn't you be getting one of your Beauty Queen that you pay to suck you dick? With all the girls your have available to you, I am surprised you even have time to respond to my posts with the calling of names. I am flattered. Please continue.

[I]How you like me now?[/I]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2828325]I do the exact same as everyone else. I look at a woman and decide if I want to fuck her. If I do, I decide how much effort or money she's worth to me. When I'm done I decide whether or not she was worth it.

I just don't mess around trying to convince everyone the women I've fucked were anything special. If you're drinking a beer with me, I'll show you a photo, or video, if I have one. It's much easier and more reliable than trying to decide what number on the 1-10 scale to keep her in the range between impressive and believable.[/QUOTE]Drop the bat and stare, straight walk off home run brother. An excellent position to take. When it comes to the actual fuck, pussy is pussy. The reality is (at least for me and the only thing that matters is my dick) beauty queen or 1 the busting of a nut when you have the desire to bust a nut is one of the highest rated experiences in my life. LOL! The numeric rating of a girl, her demand, the amount you pay has nothing, I repeat nothing to do with the quality of the nut you bust in the moment.

How many of us have fucked the exact same girl and compared notes? I have done this with many of my friends. Because when I roll with my boys, if I fuck, we all going to fuck! And more than once we describe completely different experiences with the exact same girl. I think that is all we have to say about that. Beauty all across the world falls on the Standard Deviation curve. There are 195 countries on this earth. I have only visited 17.4% of them. But that is the conclusion I have draw up to this point.

If you are the type that needs the ego gratification that comes from seeking out the highest in demand girls so you can pay them to fuck you, so be it. IMO individuals that do that are deeply wounded and because of that they have a flawed personality. They call names and are proud of it. [B]Elvis 2008[/B] comes to mind.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2828370]The photos that I had posted earlier, were the examples of the girls that I found attractive, I can't recall that I ever tried to contact them with p4 p proposals, but I were to contact them, most would never respond, simply because my messages would be lost in their inbox, girls that are in high demand are not easy to get their attention, especially on IG.[/QUOTE]How do you know what they are if you can not contact them or they will not respond to your messages? For all you know they could just be married or even gay and just seeking online attention. Just because you are unable to communicate with them does not mean they are in high demand. I would assert that just about any woman with a pussy is in high demand.

All this arguing can be settled real easy. Don't offer any girls any money, and see how many Colombian girls bang you. If she comes over and doesn't ask for money: she likes you, isn't a hooker, or doesn't see you as a John anymore even if she is a hooker.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2828370]I rated her solely based on the photo you posted, and this has nothing to do with whether I like you personally or not. I rated her fairly, and as you already know, she meets my minimum standards and therefore is doable. And my rating corresponds with yours, since she is 1/1, or doable as well for you. The flaw that I found is not a major one and can definitely be fixed, just like the boobs. If anyone else posted the exact same photo, I would rated her the same.

As for the girls that I have fucked, I never share their photos on the public forum for various reasons, period. The photos that I had posted earlier, were the examples of the girls that I found attractive, I can't recall that I ever tried to contact them with p4 p proposals, but I were to contact them, most would never respond, simply because my messages would be lost in their inbox, girls that are in high demand are not easy to get their attention, especially on IG.[/QUOTE]I can't be believe you two are still arguing over this shit haha. Here's my two cents. The 1-10 scale is of course subjective, however if you took concensus from high status in demand men who can obtain almost any woman they desire, you will see they prefer certain types. This is the scale miamiboy is more likely to agree with. Now a man who is decades removed from being able to obtain young fit intelligent women with many options WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY FOR IT, is going to be attracted to women who are going to be receptive to his sexual desires. This means what he finds attractive is going to be vastly different from what a fit wealthy successful intelligent man in his prime is going to find attractive. This is why young fit dudes with cash don't fuck ugly overweight moms in their 40's. This is why beautiful fit women in their 20's don't fuck overweight unemployed slobs in their 50's.

My point is this, the 1-10 scale should be based on the preferences of prime aged fit successful males who are most desired by the most in demand females. That scale is pretty consistent across cultures, nations, and ethnicities. Fat ass, thin waist, sexy face, down to get fucked hard. Hmmmm not rocket science. I am sure many members will find a way to argue this shit and fuck up the scale so we can't accurately exchange information for our benefit to increase our level of enjoyment during our mongering experiences though. Such is the forum.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2828449]How do you know what they are if you can not contact them or they will not respond to your messages? For all you know they could just be married or even gay and just seeking online attention. Just because you are unable to communicate with them does not mean they are in high demand. I would assert that just about any woman with a pussy is in high demand.[/QUOTE]What they are is irrelevant because we were discussing women's attractiveness. I could have posted some female celebrities or athletes, just for the reference. But to answer you question, some of the ones I posted I found on Seeking, Tinder, etc so some of them might be open to p4 p or dating. If you contact a high demand girl, let's say top 1-3% on Seeking, you chances of getting a response are slim, this is reality.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2828450]All this arguing can be settled real easy.[/QUOTE]It is not an argument. It is a discussion. Only certain among us have a limited vocabulary, cannot actually engage in logic, cannot stand that someone else is bold enough to disagree with them, who think they know it all and therefore as El Jefe de Prostitution in Medellin call others names.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2828450]Don't offer any girls any money, and see how many Colombian girls bang you.[/QUOTE]Number 1: I don't offer any girls money in any place I go through the world. I let them know I am interested in them. That I would like to see them and I see where their head is at. If they indicate they want money then I ask them how much. Now, I know there are those that say it is better to state your offer, but I prefer to engage in some price discovery and little back and forth.

Number 2: How many of you weekend millionaires are willing to do that? Actually engage a girl in conversation and spend some time with her and see if you have initial chemistry or if you can build some. It takes time.

Guys that lead with a pocket full of condoms and pesos on their forehead have no idea what I am talking about. I think a lot of people have forgotten that you can get girls to sleep with you without money being the main incentive. That is not to say they will not need money at some point. But you don't have to lead with it or make it front and center unless you or the girl you are interested wants it to be like that.

Have guys in general forgotten the joy of talking a girl out of her panties? The joy that comes from finding a girl that is actually into you? The achievement of accomplishing something that involves your own effort instead of throwing money at the problem. You know every girl that guys are paying is fucking someone for free. Maybe that someone could be you? I personally would rather bed a 5 that is into me than to pay a premium to fuck a Beauty Queen. You don't have to agree with me. Because all you have do to is what is best for YOUR dick!

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2828450]If she comes over and doesn't ask for money: she likes you, isn't a hooker, or doesn't see you as a John anymore even if she is a hooker.[/QUOTE]Well said my man. Well said.

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2828515]What they are is irrelevant because we were discussing women's attractiveness. I could have posted some female celebrities or athletes, just for the reference. But to answer you question, some of the ones I posted I found on Seeking, Tinder, etc so some of them might be open to p4 p or dating. If you contact a high demand girl, let's say top 1-3% on Seeking, you chances of getting a response are slim, this is reality.[/QUOTE]I've pointed this out many times in the past. Any woman's attractiveness is completely meaningless if you aren't fucking her, at least from the standpoint of this forum. If you run a modeling agency, or are in advertising (or some other area where your success depends on the appeal of the people you employ), that's a different story. But ISG can be summed up:

1. International travel.

2. Finding women.

3. Fucking women.

Unless you've managed to fuck Lily, from the AT&T ads, somewhere outside the US, whether you think she's a 3 or an 8 has no meaning here. Posting pictures of actresses, athletes, models or Instagram girls who you find attractive is a waste. Do you go into a steakhouse and tell the waiter you like Thai food? It ain't on the menu.

A new Twin Peaks bar / restaurant just opened up near me. Right now the place is packed. Just getting in the door is difficult. Drive another 3 minutes and there's a Hooters with a similar menu, similar waitresses and similar atmosphere. Right now, the only real difference is that 1 place is in demand.

For every "in demand" girl in Medellin there are at least 100 women who look just as good, and have no gringos trying to contact them.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2828515]But to answer you question, some of the ones I posted I found on Seeking, Tinder, etc so some of them might be open to p4 p or dating. If you contact a high demand girl, let's say top 1-3% on Seeking, you chances of getting a response are slim, this is reality.[/QUOTE]LOL. That is not reality. That is the website fucking with you. Google some of the testimonials of people who used to work at these sites. Some of them are even paid to talk to you and lead you on so that you put more faith and hope in the site and pay more money.

You can use Thai Friendly for free and send a message to chicks every 10 minutes. And for 85% of the chicks you click on if you are not a paying member it tells you the chick is in high demand and you would have to buy a subscription to contact them. You pay the subscription and damn near every chick thay you send a message to will answer. There was not any high demand. It was just a marketing ploy. Granted most chicks do get a lot of emails though. I have seen the inboxes of chicks I have met from various sites. And it is not because they are in high demand. It is just because they have a pussy.

One Redditor worked at a dating site in the early 2000's, and was required "to pretend to be a woman and message male customers just as their accounts were going to expire. " Why – you may ask?

Apparently, it would encourage men to renew their subscriptions. "Once they renewed, he would ghost them," he added.

One employee claimed their dating site was "packed with photos of hot women who didn't exist", which turned out to be purchased professional photos with "tons of different bios".

They joked: "It was kind of funny because the same woman might be a surgeon in one profile and 'I just want to stay home and make babies in another. ".

Here I come to peruse the forums for useful information as ISG sometimes is (ok maybe like 60-70%.) and I realize I'm in the "stupid sh* subsection but goddamn, this is one hell of a jerkoff.

Go on boys, everyone kiss each other and make up.

[QUOTE=Tsfh14;2828574]Here I come to peruse the forums for useful information as ISG sometimes is (ok maybe like 60-70%.) and I realize I'm in the "stupid sh* subsection but goddamn, this is one hell of a jerkoff.

Go on boys, everyone kiss each other and make up.[/QUOTE]So you just came in here hoping to find some gay soft porn?

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2828495]I can't be believe you two are still arguing over this shit haha. Here's my two cents. The 1-10 scale is of course subjective, however if you took concensus from high status in demand men who can obtain almost any woman they desire, you will see they prefer certain types. This is the scale miamiboy is more likely to agree with. Now a man who is decades removed from being able to obtain young fit intelligent women with many options WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY FOR IT, is going to be attracted to women who are going to be receptive to his sexual desires. This means what he finds attractive is going to be vastly different from what a fit wealthy successful intelligent man in his prime is going to find attractive. This is why young fit dudes with cash don't fuck ugly overweight moms in their 40's. This is why beautiful fit women in their 20's don't fuck overweight unemployed slobs in their 50's.

My point is this, the 1-10 scale should be based on the preferences of prime aged fit successful males who are most desired by the most in demand females. That scale is pretty consistent across cultures, nations, and ethnicities. Fat ass, thin waist, sexy face, down to get fucked hard. Hmmmm not rocket science. I am sure many members will find a way to argue this shit and fuck up the scale so we can't accurately exchange information for our benefit to increase our level of enjoyment during our mongering experiences though. Such is the forum.[/QUOTE]I agree. You know what the issue is? These overweight unemployed slobs in their 50's are being delusional, thinking they get the same girls as successful men in their prime and for much less $. Heck, some even call them "girlfriends" and claim they have real relationships with young fit women who could be their granddaughters.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2828543]It is not an argument. It is a discussion. Only certain among us have a limited vocabulary, cannot actually engage in logic, cannot stand that someone else is bold enough to disagree with them, who think they know it all and therefore as El Jefe de Prostitution in Medellin call others names.

Number 1: I don't offer any girls money in any place I go through the world. I let them know I am interested in them. That I would like to see them and I see where their head is at. If they indicate they want money then I ask them how much. Now, I know there are those that say it is better to state your offer, but I prefer to engage in some price discovery and little back and forth.

Number 2: How many of you weekend millionaires are willing to do that? Actually engage a girl in conversation and spend some time with her and see if you have initial chemistry or if you can build some. It takes time.

Guys that lead with a pocket full of condoms and pesos on their forehead have no idea what I am talking about. I think a lot of people have forgotten that you can get girls to sleep with you without money being the main incentive. That is not to say they will not need money at some point. But you don't have to lead with it or make it front and center unless you or the girl you are interested wants it to be like that.

Have guys in general forgotten the joy of talking a girl out of her panties? The joy that comes from finding a girl that is actually into you? The achievement of accomplishing something that involves your own effort instead of throwing money at the problem. You know every girl that guys are paying is fucking someone for free. Maybe that someone could be you? I personally would rather bed a 5 that is into me than to pay a premium to fuck a Beauty Queen. You don't have to agree with me. Because all you have do to is what is best for YOUR dick!

Well said my man. Well said.

[B]How you like me now?[/B][/QUOTE]The problem with what you're saying is getting hot girls in mongering countries is so much work. It's just easier to pay, especially over 40 mongers. I'm over 50 now. How much time do I have left. I already feel my libido and energy levels crashing. One nut per day. Can I still do this at 65. I don't know. Idk how Hugh Hefner was banging all these girls at 80. Viagra isn't a wonder drug. A girl is either a hooker or not in Colombia. There is no in between. I've mongered over 20 years and a real girl would be ashamed to charge for sex. People that say hookers don't charge them are lying. You know how many guys at Help told me they weren't paying. Tons. They were all liars. You are in the biggest working girl club and you aren't paying. Ok.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2828739]I agree. You know what the issue is? These overweight unemployed slobs in their 50's are being delusional, thinking they get the same girls as successful men in their prime and for much less $. Heck, some even call them "girlfriends" and claim they have real relationships with young fit women who could be their granddaughters.[/QUOTE]MiamiBoy these guys are clowns / total idiots. They would not know what to do with a hot chick. I am in my 50's and killing, but I do pay market value, honestly a little less, for what I get back in return. Many of the girls I am meeting spend the night or there are no rules. What more can I ask for.

Let it go and move on. You have proved your point.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2828495]I can't be believe you two are still arguing over this shit haha. Here's my two cents. The 1-10 scale is of course subjective, however if you took concensus from high status in demand men who can obtain almost any woman they desire, you will see they prefer certain types. This is the scale miamiboy is more likely to agree with. Now a man who is decades removed from being able to obtain young fit intelligent women with many options WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY FOR IT, is going to be attracted to women who are going to be receptive to his sexual desires. This means what he finds attractive is going to be vastly different from what a fit wealthy successful intelligent man in his prime is going to find attractive. This is why young fit dudes with cash don't fuck ugly overweight moms in their 40's. This is why beautiful fit women in their 20's don't fuck overweight unemployed slobs in their 50's.

My point is this, the 1-10 scale should be based on the preferences of prime aged fit successful males who are most desired by the most in demand females. That scale is pretty consistent across cultures, nations, and ethnicities. Fat ass, thin waist, sexy face, down to get fucked hard. Hmmmm not rocket science. I am sure many members will find a way to argue this shit and fuck up the scale so we can't accurately exchange information for our benefit to increase our level of enjoyment during our mongering experiences though. Such is the forum.[/QUOTE]When I was a young, fit dude with cash, there was no need for cash to get women. All any guy had to do then (and it hasn't changed) is just talk to women. If someone my age 30 years ago would have told me they need to travel to third world countries in order to get laid, and then they have to pay for sex, I'd have bought them a shot and told them that was the saddest story I'd ever heard.

In fact, I keep hearing that same story from "young fit dudes with cash", except now I just laugh my ass off at the poor saps, who never managed to get laid without buying it, trying to explain why I can't have sex with the women I'm having sex with.

But enough about your situation. Let's talk about your 1-10 scale (because in a thread full of stupid shit it wins the golden septic tank trophy).

First we have to survey the most in demand women to determine:

1. What they consider to be prime age for a man.

2. Their definition of success.

3. Their definition of "fit. ".

4. Their fitness preferences for prime aged, successful men.

Then, after analyzing all the data, contact all the men who statistically fall into the top of the 'prime aged, successful fit" group and get them to create a 1-10 scale. After analyzing all of that data, you finally have a scale which you can then apply to describe a woman who you may or may not ever be able to fuck.

Shit. Forgot 1 crucial step. First, we have to determine who are the most in demand women. I'm guessing we're supposed to get that from the prime age, fit, successful men, but we can't know who they are until we ask the most in demand women. You've created an infinite loop.

Here's the key question:

Why do I need to ask a bunch of other men whether or not I want to fuck a woman?

Another fun question:

How do you know what type of women any man who you've never met, never talked to, never even said "Hello," to, is interested in?

Plus the companion question:

How do you know what any woman, who you've never seen, never chatted with, never even heard a first hand description of, is looking for in a man?

A final note:

You obviously don't know a fucking thing about any nations, cultures or ethnicities if you believe beauty standards are consistent across them all.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2828739]I agree. You know what the issue is? These overweight unemployed slobs in their 50's are being delusional, thinking they get the same girls as successful men in their prime and for much less $. Heck, some even call them "girlfriends" and claim they have real relationships with young fit women who could be their granddaughters.[/QUOTE]Did you eat an extra big bowl of passive-aggressive Corn Flakes today?

I am a bit overweight, but:

1. I'm in my 60's.

2. I'm employed.

3. Why would I, or anyone, want to get the same woman someone else is getting? Unless you're either into gang bangs or like eating semen secondhand.

4. I have no children. Therefore, no woman, or girl is young enough to be my granddaughter. However, if you must fantasize about incestuous relationships, a girl 40 years younger than me would be young enough to be my great granddaughter.

However:

1. She is young.

2. She is fit, especially now that she's training for competition again.

But she can't be my granddaughter. Maybe you can get mommy and daddy to explain that part to you again.

Now define "relationship. " see'Mon. Give me a definition. Next, explain in detail my interactions with the girl I refer to as "my girlfriend. " When you finish with that, tell me how she feels about all of it.

You live completely within a fantasy world. You imagine what people who you've never seen are doing and who they are doing it with, then you create emotions for all the imaginary people. In your fantasy world, you're at the top of food chain. You use your superior skills to find only the best of the best women, hundreds of them in Colombia. It's all very time consuming, and requires much effort. However, it's worth it. Right?

Unfortunately, reality doesn't support your fantasy. Using your own rating scale you declared you've only managed to score a few women better than one who I just consider above average. Then, there are those "hundreds" of average to above average women. With the actual time you've spent in Colombia, you would have to have been averaging between 2 and 4 women every day. I know guys who do that, have done it for several years, but they aren't running around claiming they're scoring only the best women. I'm estimating you've barely broken 30 women, not just in Colombia, in your life.

The funny thing is, you keep mentioning how the top girls won't even respond to you, but all I have to do is post that I'm in Medellin and the top girls are messaging me asking if I want to see them.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2828809]Did you eat an extra big bowl of passive-aggressive Corn Flakes today?

I am a bit overweight, but:

1. I'm in my 60's.

2. I'm employed.

3. Why would I, or anyone, want to get the same woman someone else is getting? Unless you're either into gang bangs or like eating semen secondhand.

4. I have no children. Therefore, no woman, or girl is young enough to be my granddaughter. However, if you must fantasize about incestuous relationships, a girl 40 years younger than me would be young enough to be my great granddaughter.

However:

1. She is young.

2. She is fit, especially now that she's training for competition again.

But she can't be my granddaughter. Maybe you can get mommy and daddy to explain that part to you again.

Now define "relationship. " see'Mon. Give me a definition. Next, explain in detail my interactions with the girl I refer to as "my girlfriend. " When you finish with that, tell me how she feels about all of it.

You live completely within a fantasy world. You imagine what people who you've never seen are doing and who they are doing it with, then you create emotions for all the imaginary people. In your fantasy world, you're at the top of food chain. You use your superior skills to find only the best of the best women, hundreds of them in Colombia. It's all very time consuming, and requires much effort. However, it's worth it. Right?

Unfortunately, reality doesn't support your fantasy. Using your own rating scale you declared you've only managed to score a few women better than one who I just consider above average. Then, there are those "hundreds" of average to above average women. With the actual time you've spent in Colombia, you would have to have been averaging between 2 and 4 women every day. I know guys who do that, have done it for several years, but they aren't running around claiming they're scoring only the best women. I'm estimating you've barely broken 30 women, not just in Colombia, in your life.

The funny thing is, you keep mentioning how the top girls won't even respond to you, but all I have to do is post that I'm in Medellin and the top girls are messaging me asking if I want to see them.[/QUOTE]So, what do we have in a summary? We have an employed, a bit overweight gringo in his 60's, who doesn't live in Colombia permanently, claiming to have a genuine relationship (which, in simple words, could be defined as feeling love for someone, or having a close romantic and sexual connection) with a young, fit female competing athlete, who can't be his granddaughter, because the gringo has no kids, but is young enough to be one. Also, the said gringo is claiming every time he posts about his arrival in Medellin, the top girls of all Medellin message him wanting to meet. Also, we know that the gringo would fuck 75% of his target audience of women 18 to 32 yo, the gringo is not using the 1-10 scale or any other scale except the binary one, but somehow knows who the top women in Mde are and the top women in Medellin know who he is, and completely sucks at estimating how many women an ISG member has been with in the course of his life. Keep your long ass fairy tales coming.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2828768]People that say hookers don't charge them are lying. You know how many guys at Help told me they weren't paying. Tons. They were all liars. You are in the biggest working girl club and you aren't paying. Ok.[/QUOTE]Maybe you have not had many hookers, because I have met plenty that did not charge me. Right now I mess with a chick in Thailand that works at a hotel during normal hours. She goes out to the discos some nights to find guys though. She always wants to come see me when she has free time and she has never mentioned needing money from me.

I remember one of my first times in Sosua pulling up to the Europa Hotel. There were always chicks outside on the driveway. Chick named Yennifer told me I will fuck you free today but next time you have to pay me. Speaking of Help. I was messing with a chick I met on Cupid that told me she worked in some type of office. One night I was standing in front of Help when she did not know I was in town. She came up and saw me all embarrassed. She said she was sorry and asked to come to the apartment with me but I told her no thanks. Soon after that she moved to the south of France.

Also recently. I had been messing with a chick in Peru the last 10 years. A couple of years ago she got married and moved to Europe. I posted something about her in the Lima thread at the end of last year and someone figured out who it was and sent it to her. She chewed me out for putting her on this site and admitted that she was a hooker before, but never charged me. The list goes on such as the porn star chick that worked at Monte Carlo that my buddy introduced me to.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2828807]When I was a young, fit dude with cash, there was no need for cash to get women. All any guy had to do then (and it hasn't changed) is just talk to women. If someone my age 30 years ago would have told me they need to travel to third world countries in order to get laid, and then they have to pay for sex, I'd have bought them a shot and told them that was the saddest story I'd ever heard.

In fact, I keep hearing that same story from "young fit dudes with cash", except now I just laugh my ass off at the poor saps, who never managed to get laid without buying it, trying to explain why I can't have sex with the women I'm having sex with.

But enough about your situation. Let's talk about your 1-10 scale (because in a thread full of stupid shit it wins the golden septic tank trophy).

First we have to survey the most in demand women to determine:

1. What they consider to be prime age for a man.

2. Their definition of success.

3. Their definition of "fit. ".

4. Their fitness preferences for prime aged, successful men.

Then, after analyzing all the data, contact all the men who statistically fall into the top of the 'prime aged, successful fit" group and get them to create a 1-10 scale. After analyzing all of that data, you finally have a scale which you can then apply to describe a woman who you may or may not ever be able to fuck.

Shit. Forgot 1 crucial step. First, we have to determine who are the most in demand women. I'm guessing we're supposed to get that from the prime age, fit, successful men, but we can't know who they are until we ask the most in demand women. You've created an infinite loop.

Here's the key question:

Why do I need to ask a bunch of other men whether or not I want to fuck a woman?

Another fun question:

How do you know what type of women any man who you've never met, never talked to, never even said "Hello," to, is interested in?

Plus the companion question:

How do you know what any woman, who you've never seen, never chatted with, never even heard a first hand description of, is looking for in a man?

A final note:

You obviously don't know a fucking thing about any nations, cultures or ethnicities if you believe beauty standards are consistent across them all.[/QUOTE]To be clear, this post is not directed toward anyone in particular. Just an explanation of my logic.

When I said, "Young fit dudes with cash", I was making the simple point they have a career oriented job and have the resources or marketable skills to acquire resources for themselves and a partner over a lifetime. I was not implying young fit dudes with cash in their hand trying to purchase sex. Like you stated, it's sad if a young fit dude with a career is buying sex. Obviously he doesn't have too, well the vast majority of the time he doesn't have too. It's sad I have I to spell this out for people who have paid for sex so long they no longer realize that women want a man with a job. Even if your the smoothest talker and an amazing fuck, the vast majority of women will still not respect you if you do not have some type of meaningful employment. Personally, I think it's weird I have to state that, but the more time I have spent on this forum, the more I realize there is some strange mother fuckers with some strange thinking posting up in here. And yes I know, some women don't care about money at all, but they are not the majority, they are the minority.

I am going to try and keep this as simple as possible. The 1-10 scale should be used on the forum just to exchange information. If you want the highest quality most in demand women, girls I would rate 7 and above, Gustos and La Isla is your easiest and simplest bet, yes I know also not your cheapest. If you don't mind girls in the 5-6 range, just hit a casa up. Personally if I am traveling to another country I don't want to pay for an average looking hooker in the 5-6 range. That's easily obtainable in the USA. I prefer to get what I can't get here in the USA for cheap prices. I also don't prefer the stuck up instgram models because they are hit or miss with service and I don't like to risk it on a short vacation. My sweet spot is the 7-8 range. For the cheapest of charlies who want girls at rock bottom prices and good service but the girls are in the 4-5 range, Centro is your best bet. Yes I know diamonds in the rough can be found in centro.

Here is the scale I use. No one ever has to use it but me. Of course, I know the scale is very subjective.

9-10: Very attractive and indemand women. Think Models and Actresses.

7-8: Very Attactive women but cannot obtain employment solely based on their looks. Think cute bartender or hot nurse at your local bar or hospital.

5-6: Cute girl with mostly nothing wrong with her but not quite a hot face or fit body. The girl you would be happy to fuck out of the bar for a night, but not going to call her the next day.

Low 5: Has one redeemable quality but the rest is just a mess. Think fat chick. Girl with hot face but fat sloppy body. Girl with ugly face but has kind of a fat ass.

4 and below: Druggies, older chicks, total slobs, etc. Girls you don't fuck with.

My scale is based off my peer groups preferences which are based off the girls we encounter and see everyday and of course women who are considered to be celebrities in my country. USA. Think of the major Hollywood actresses, funny how they all fit a certain profile. Intelligent, thin waist, nice ass, beautiful face. When I look at other cultures all around the world, the majority all seem to favor these same preferences. I am sure there is some strange sub cultures out there that have a fetish for fat girls with skinny legs or chicks with big tits that are really tall or something like that, but that is the exception, not the rule.

If you have a preference for a certain type of woman that is not the norm. God bless you, I could care less what you like. Personally, I think this forum should be about sharing information to make our lives and mongering experiences better. I think a 1-10 scale so we can find the appropriate venues that has the caliber of woman we want is useful. If we over complicate the scale and think so deeply in to it that we can't tell the difference between a crackhead druggy centro gluesniffer and a part time student instagram model, then I think we are doing ourselves a disservice.

The reason I know what women want is I have an IQ over 80 and the most basic common sense. Below 80 is legally considered mentally handicap in case anyone was wondering why I selected that number. Plus I have fucked dozens of women for free, maybe hundreds, I stopped counting decades ago. My close friends over the years combined have fucked thousands and we all constantly compare the girls we have had and this is also what I base what women want on. This is very simple stuff here. I don't even understand why anyone tries to argue this stuff and fuck it up. If someone gets turned on by fat chicks in their 40's with low self esteem, god bless them. But a fat chick in her 40's with low self esteem should not be rated highly on a 1-10 scale for purposes of exchanging information on the forum because the vast majority of men who are competitive in the dating game do not find that desirable. Ok I am going on a bit of a rant so I ll stop here. I hope my logic rubs off on some of you for the benefit of the forum and it was not my intention to offend anyone who has a different way of thinking. Except for JJBJ and Miamiboy haha.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2828807]When I was a young, fit dude with cash, there was no need for cash to get women. All any guy had to do then (and it hasn't changed) is just talk to women. If someone my age 30 years ago would have told me they need to travel to third world countries in order to get laid, and then they have to pay for sex, I'd have bought them a shot and told them that was the saddest story I'd ever heard.

In fact, I keep hearing that same story from "young fit dudes with cash", except now I just laugh my ass off at the poor saps, who never managed to get laid without buying it, trying to explain why I can't have sex with the women I'm having sex with.

But enough about your situation. Let's talk about your 1-10 scale (because in a thread full of stupid shit it wins the golden septic tank trophy).

First we have to survey the most in demand women to determine:

1. What they consider to be prime age for a man.

2. Their definition of success.

3. Their definition of "fit. ".

4. Their fitness preferences for prime aged, successful men.

Then, after analyzing all the data, contact all the men who statistically fall into the top of the 'prime aged, successful fit" group and get them to create a 1-10 scale. After analyzing all of that data, you finally have a scale which you can then apply to describe a woman who you may or may not ever be able to fuck.

Shit. Forgot 1 crucial step. First, we have to determine who are the most in demand women. I'm guessing we're supposed to get that from the prime age, fit, successful men, but we can't know who they are until we ask the most in demand women. You've created an infinite loop.

Here's the key question:

Why do I need to ask a bunch of other men whether or not I want to fuck a woman?

Another fun question:

How do you know what type of women any man who you've never met, never talked to, never even said "Hello," to, is interested in?

Plus the companion question:

How do you know what any woman, who you've never seen, never chatted with, never even heard a first hand description of, is looking for in a man?

A final note:

You obviously don't know a fucking thing about any nations, cultures or ethnicities if you believe beauty standards are consistent across them all.[/QUOTE]So this post is just for you JBJBJ. I ll answer some of your questions even though as adult men I find it silly I have to do this for you or any other man.

1. Prime means when something is at its best. Here we are referring to the sexual market place value for men, so a man's prime is when he is at his peak value in the sexual market place meaning he can obtain the most highly desirable women. Men can hit their prime value in the sexual market place at all different ages, but in general this is going to be anywhere from late 20's to early 40's.

2. Generally if a man is deemed to be successful in American society, he has a acquired the necessary skills to obtain lifelong resources in the form of owning property / home, steady salary / cash, and a form of income for when he retires / pension. Success also refers to the man's happiness in regards to his mental health and sense of worth as well as the meaningful relationships he has obtained with friends and family.

3. "Fit" would be a healthy man, he has no afflictions from disease or vice and maintains an aesthetically pleasing physique in the form of low body fat and some form of muscle tone. This doesn't mean a man has to be a bodybuilder, but a dude should not look unhealthy if he wants to hit his peak in regards to his value in the sexual market place.

Simple stuff. I don't understand why you go so hard out of your way to complicate this. I feel as though, since you are older and no longer in your prime and your preferences have changed, that you think all men's preferences are irrelevant and all of society needs to change as well. You kind of come off as a narcissist if I am going to be honest.

KISS. Keep It Simple Stupid. Guys with options like young fertile fit women who are not jaded and open to emotional and sexual connection.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2828739]I agree. You know what the issue is?[/QUOTE]Actually I don't know what the issue is. In fact I don't know why there would even be an issue. Remember my one dick rule? The only dick that matters in mine. I don't pay attention to what other guys that I do not know are doing with their dick or their money.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2828739]These overweight unemployed slobs in their 50's are being delusional, thinking they get the same girls as successful men in their prime and for much less $. [/QUOTE][I]Are you one of the successful men in their prime?[/I] And do you pay these hot girls that are in demand to fuck you?

Because if you are under 50 and are paying hot girls to fuck you anyone and I do mean anyone of any age or appearance can do that. I was in my late 40's before I started to pay girls to fuck me. Now, if you are talking "real relationships" (however you define it), then yes that can make a difference. And yet, I have no problem having girls enter "real relationships" (as I define it) that are 20 to 30 years younger than I am.

Now I am new to Colombia. And there are individuals who insist on calling me "newbie", but I do believe that there is no stigma for young girls to get with older guys. If individuals get out of prostitution ally and out into the real parts of the city you will see that older Colombian men can pull young Colombian girls. There may be some stigma with being with an older gringo. But if the girl is happy then they ignore that.

Now if you take your standard of 50 that means 30 years younger is 20. That means for those like me (pushing 60) then 30 years younger is 30. Now thirty might seem old to you young bucks. And yes they have passed their "real relationship" expiration date. But that puts the pussy on discount and even discounted pussy can fuck good. Once again in my opinion if you are under 50 and you are paying for pussy something is wrong with you. Exceptions, when you are on trips and don't know anyone or don't have time to develop a "real relationship".

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2828739]Heck, some even call them "girlfriends" and claim they have real relationships with young fit women who could be their granddaughters.[/QUOTE]I got a few years of living in a Latin American culture. Visitors not going to tell me 2 COP worth of anything about about culture. Any one posting here can tell me about where to find prostitutes. I stipulate that you guys ([U]especially Elvis 2008[/U]) knows more about prostitution in Medellin than I do. And so I ask, when you come to Colombia [B]MiamiBoy[/B] do you develop real relationships or pay prostitutes?

[I]How you like me now?[/I]

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2828768]The problem with what you're saying is getting hot girls in mongering countries is so much work. It's just easier to pay, especially over 40 mongers. I'm over 50 now. How much time do I have left. I already feel my libido and energy levels crashing. One nut per day. Can I still do this at 65. I don't know. Idk how Hugh Hefner was banging all these girls at 80. Viagra isn't a wonder drug. A girl is either a hooker or not in Colombia. There is no in between. I've mongered over 20 years and a real girl would be ashamed to charge for sex. People that say hookers don't charge them are lying. You know how many guys at Help told me they weren't paying. Tons. They were all liars. You are in the biggest working girl club and you aren't paying. Ok.[/QUOTE]Let's start with I am ok, You are ok. And I understand your position. Every grown man should be doing what is best for his own dick. I know that is what I do.

If a grown man wants to pay for the hottest girls (his definition) because that is what gets him off, if he likes it, I love it. I don't need to call him names because I disagree with him. I do not need hot girls as defined by other men. I need hot girls (my definition). And a hot girl to me is a girl I have chemistry with. A girl that I want to be with. A girl that turns me on. And a girl that that give me access to her three holes.

I base my judgement for how much I pay on how much the girls in my regular relationships cost me. I am not going to pay a prostitute more than I give a girl that has been consistently there for me and that brings more to the table than just pussy. That is what has happened to me as I got older. I no longer need to fuck as many girls as possible. Now I want to fuck girls that provide me with a benefit beyond pussy. Even if she is a prostitute.

I have been living in the Dominican Republic for the last 10 years. Do you know how many times I have heard "I don't usually do this, but I am in a financial crisis. " And it is not a story either. They have verified to me afterwards. And what do you know, I am hearing the same thing from girls her in Colombia.

It is a very rare occasion that I just have to have a girl at any price. When a Colombian girl asks me for 400,000 COP the conversation just ends at that point. I am not paying that to any girl. I can give that to my regular girl and fuck for the entire month and she will be super appreciative because she can get her hair and nails done and look pretty for me and feel good about herself.

Individuals need to understand, I am not attacking the methods of others. Only sharing what works for MY dick! But that being said, I really don't give a fuck about what anyone else things about what I do or how I do things. I am interested in what others do and how they do it because that is how I learn. Lastly, I don't worry if someone lies on their dick. I don't need to prove to them or others that they are lying on their dick. We all should be grown men up in here. Lie to your girls, but you should not lie to yourself.

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2828847]

Here is the scale I use. No one ever has to use it but me. Of course, I know the scale is very subjective.

9-10: Very attractive and indemand women. Think Models and Actresses.

7-8: Very Attactive women but cannot obtain employment solely based on their looks. Think cute bartender or hot nurse at your local bar or hospital.

5-6: Cute girl with mostly nothing wrong with her but not quite a hot face or fit body. The girl you would be happy to fuck out of the bar for a night, but not going to call her the next day.

4 and below: Druggies, older chicks, total slobs, etc. Girls you don't fuck with.
[/QUOTE]Out of curiousity Ram, why do you feel the need for a scale of 1-10. Surely in your case 1-4 would achieve the same thing (together with the words high / low)?

To be clear, I am ok, You are ok!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2828847]To be clear, this post is not directed toward anyone in particular. Just an explanation of my logic.[/QUOTE]Came across more like thoughts and opinions after reading your post.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2828847]Personally, I think it's weird I have to state that, but the more time I have spent on this forum, the more I realize there is some strange mother fuckers with some strange thinking posting up in here.[/QUOTE]I don't get the above statement at all. All grown men should think like you? Well I am here to tell you my fellow ISG brother, that given where you are from and the attitude you display you are most likely a member of the group of males (along with your friends) that I came to hate during the my time of working and living in the Disunited states of America. And this became one of the main reasons I left the Disunited states of America. This group of males consists of individuals who think by the wining of the birth lottery (and other factors) that they are superior by birth. That their ideas or the ideas that everyone should have. And if you don't think like me then I will marginalize you by calling names (Elvis 2008 comes to mind). I have no problem with the information you delivered to us. But I do take issue with the level of superiority displayed in the type of language you used and how you used it. But it was your post to write as you saw fit. And this is my post to deliver my comments about it. Thank you for the insight into your inner thoughts about this issue.

[I]Your entire post can be summed up with this line:[/I]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2828847]Of course, I know the scale is very subjective.[/QUOTE]And that all that needs to be said on the matter in my opinion.

[B]Why are men who are young, fit, have jobs and are in all aspects perfect, having stepped out of central casting, with girl falling to their knees upon sight to suck their dicks paying for pussy anyway?[/B]

I am more interested in a response to that question than the endless debate on the 1 - 10 scale. Studies have been done on appearance. Those who think they are the same across all countries, I suggest you educate yourselves. It is only simple in the minds of the individuals that wish to impose their standards of beauty upon others. And I will not accept it.

[URL]https://whyttmagazine.com/all/beauty-standards-in-different-cultures[/URL]

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/how-19-different-countries-define-beauty-2014-6[/URL]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2828847]If someone gets turned on by fat chicks in their 40's with low self esteem, god bless them. But a fat chick in her 40's with low self esteem should not be rated highly on a 1-10 scale for purposes of exchanging information on the forum because the vast majority of men who are competitive in the dating game do not find that desirable.[/QUOTE]What about a rich fat chick in her 30's with high self esteem? Ie Lizzo.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2828800]MiamiBoy these guys are clowns / total idiots. They would not know what to do with a hot chick. I am in my 50's and killing, but I do pay market value, honestly a little less, for what I get back in return. Many of the girls I am meeting spend the night or there are no rules. What more can I ask for.

Let it go and move on. You have proved your point.[/QUOTE]Here's a question I've been meaning to ask.

Is DramaQueen just Elvis in drag? Same atrophied grasp of English, and logic. Same bitterness.

Illuminate us, oh Great Queen of Fabricated Drama. What is it I'm supposed to do with a "hot chick?" Pay her market rate (more or less doesn't matter)? But if I'm doing that, I'm not with a hot chick. I'm just spending time with a prostitute. Not exactly a difficult task. I'd put it equal to ordering a pizza for delivery. No anchovies please.

That's your definition of "killing?" Or did you mean to say "killing time with hookers until I die of boredom?

Here's a list of things to do with a "hot chick" (I don't advise doing these things with prostitutes. You wouldn't hire a plumber and take him out to watch the local wildlife):

1. Take her to a bookstore. Does she get excited and start perusing the titles? What books interest her?

2. Introduce her to new (to her) cuisine. Teach her to use chopsticks. Test her palate and her willingness to try new things.

3. Take her to an amusement park, or a waterpark (make sure she brings a bikini other than the Wicked Weasel you bought her. Buying a bikini at a waterpark is expensive).

4. Plan and cook a meal with her. Does she know her way around a kitchen? Is she interested in learning a new skill? Does she feel a sense of accomplishment when the food tastes great?

5. Take her to see something she's never seen. It could be as simple as going to El Museo Castillo in Medellin (or if she's Mexican, take her to a public restroom that doesn't require you to buy toilet paper), or to a famous landmark in another country.

6. Take turns picking music. How does she react to your music? How broad is her music appreciation?

7. Play tourist together. If you can swing it (meaning a hot chick who has or can get a US Tourist Visa), Chicago, New York, Seattle and Washington DC are all good choices. See the local sites, eat the local foods.

8. Take her off the grid, where her phone has no signal, no Wi-Fi and see how she handles being with you, just you.

9. Play games with her. It can be video games or something like Jenga. Modify the rules a bit, to allow Spanish and English, and play Scrabble. Or she probably knows Uno. How does she handle winning and losing?

10. Introduce her to new sexual experiences. This won't be easy with a prostitute, but should be no problem with a "hot chick. " Uncover her fantasies, explore them.

There's so much more, which doesn't matter if you're just paying market rates to fuck prostitutes.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm planning a dive trip with a "hot chick" and need to get busy.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2828872] Once again in my opinion if you are under 50 and you are paying for pussy something is wrong with you. Exceptions, when you are on trips and don't know anyone or don't have time to develop a "real relationship".
[/QUOTE]Something is wrong? LOL. If someone under 50 is paying for pussy, this should be none of your concern, because as you said it, my money, my dick. There are various reasons why someone in his prime age pays for pussy. Maybe he has no time nor desire to start a real relationship, too focused on career / work to invest time and effort in building one. Maybe he is married or just got out of a marriage / relationship and doesn't need any commitments. Maybe just for the sake of adventure, hunt, or convenience.

Should the admins set a minimum age requirement of 50 for all ISG members then, because there is something wrong with younger mongers?

But I think we both would agree on this. The wider the age gap, the more difficult it becomes to develop a real relationship or just hooking up with someone on a non-p4 p basis, and the more necessary it becomes to pay to cover the age gap. Therefore, I don't believe fairy tales about older dudes dating girls 40 years younger, unless these girls are ugly af and can't find a better alternative.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2828979]To be clear, I am ok, You are ok!

Came across more like thoughts and opinions after reading your post.

I don't get the above statement at all. All grown men should think like you? Well I am here to tell you my fellow ISG brother, that given where you are from and the attitude you display you are most likely a member of the group of males (along with your friends) that I came to hate during the my time of working and living in the Disunited states of America. And this became one of the main reasons I left the Disunited states of America. This group of males consists of individuals who think by the wining of the birth lottery (and other factors) that they are superior by birth. That their ideas or the ideas that everyone should have. And if you don't think like me then I will marginalize you by calling names (Elvis 2008 comes to mind). I have no problem with the information you delivered to us. But I do take issue with the level of superiority displayed in the type of language you used and how you used it. But it was your post to write as you saw fit. And this is my post to deliver my comments about it. Thank you for the insight into your inner thoughts about this issue.[/QUOTE]This is a weird post. I am here to just try to help other mongers and myself exchange info on the game.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2828969]Out of curiousity Ram, why do you feel the need for a scale of 1-10. Surely in your case 1-4 would achieve the same thing (together with the words high / low)?[/QUOTE]Uhhhhh, well I could get by with a 1-4. I think culturally 1-10 has been circulating for awhile and that's what a lot of guys used in my day. I prefer 1-10.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2829016]But I think we both would agree on this. The wider the age gap, the more difficult it becomes to develop a real relationship or just hooking up with someone on a non-p4 p basis, and the more necessary it becomes to pay to cover the age gap. Therefore, I don't believe fairy tales about older dudes dating girls 40 years younger, unless these girls are ugly af and can't find a better alternative.[/QUOTE]I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. You are ascribing social norms common in the US to Colombian women who live in a completely different cultural environment.

Allow me to amplify. If a man (irrespective of age) wants to start a relationship with a beautiful Colombian woman you seem to think that age is a factor. Not so much. What is a factor is whether the guy is living in Colombia and is he able to speak Spanish at a good level or does he need to break out his translator app constantly. Why should she start something with a guy who won't be here to buy her a birthday present. (Birthdays are a big thing in Colombia). Is he going to be able to be a productive member of the family? Can he help out when help is needed? These may sound like pecuniary issues to you but they are what is in her head.

Colombia subscribes to the machismo culture. Men are the providers. Girls are groomed from an early age to want a partner who is a good provider and can be a valued member of the family. His age is not nearly as important a factor as you think. Sure, if the choice were between Messi and Warren Buffet. Messi would score the goal. But young women are told by their mothers and grandmothers, from an early age, that "it is just as easy to fall in love with a rich man as it is with a poor man."

Colombian women are constantly reminded (again by their mothers and grandmothers). Look at Maria, she has 2 babies and her boyfriend left. She has to raise them all by herself. Get yourself a respectable man who won't run away. So when it comes to age, an older man is absolutely acceptable to a large plurality of Colombian women. (caveat: If he is gross (I. E. Over-weight, poorly dressed, or Frankenstein ugly) that will trump respectability and financial security.

Here is another tidbit (from personal experience). If you chat with an extremely attractive Colombian woman and you invite her to dinner one evening she will likely say yes. It gives her a chance to show off her best clothes and she doesn't get invited out to a nice restaurant very often. If you have a nice time and invite her out a second time. Well this is the juncture for her. Once was just to see how you both hit it off. If she accepts a second or third date, you're going to end up in bed it is just a question who whose bed.

Now just to preempt an argument. If the girl is from a wealthy family, she won't care about your financial security. She will likely have gone to good schools and be headed toward a professional career. Then the rules bend back toward US cultural norms (but not completely).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2828993]What about a rich fat chick in her 30's with high self esteem? Ie Lizzo.[/QUOTE]Does she let you fuck her rolls?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2828994]Here's a question I've been meaning to ask.

Is DramaQueen just Elvis in drag? Same atrophied grasp of English, and logic. Same bitterness.

[/QUOTE]Funny you should ask. I was thinking the very same thing this morning.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2828994]Here's a question I've been meaning to ask.

Is DramaQueen just Elvis in drag? Same atrophied grasp of English, and logic. Same bitterness.

Illuminate us, oh Great Queen of Fabricated Drama. What is it I'm supposed to do with a "hot chick?" Pay her market rate (more or less doesn't matter)? But if I'm doing that, I'm not with a hot chick. I'm just spending time with a prostitute. Not exactly a difficult task. I'd put it equal to ordering a pizza for delivery. No anchovies please.

That's your definition of "killing?" Or did you mean to say "killing time with hookers until I die of boredom?

Here's a list of things to do with a "hot chick" (I don't advise doing these things with prostitutes. You wouldn't hire a plumber and take him out to watch the local wildlife):

1. Take her to a bookstore. Does she get excited and start perusing the titles? What books interest her?

2. Introduce her to new (to her) cuisine. Teach her to use chopsticks. Test her palate and her willingness to try new things.

3. Take her to an amusement park, or a waterpark (make sure she brings a bikini other than the Wicked Weasel you bought her. Buying a bikini at a waterpark is expensive).

4. Plan and cook a meal with her. Does she know her way around a kitchen? Is she interested in learning a new skill? Does she feel a sense of accomplishment when the food tastes great?

5. Take her to see something she's never seen. It could be as simple as going to El Museo Castillo in Medellin (or if she's Mexican, take her to a public restroom that doesn't require you to buy toilet paper), or to a famous landmark in another country.

6. Take turns picking music. How does she react to your music? How broad is her music appreciation?

7. Play tourist together. If you can swing it (meaning a hot chick who has or can get a US Tourist Visa), Chicago, New York, Seattle and Washington DC are all good choices. See the local sites, eat the local foods.

8. Take her off the grid, where her phone has no signal, no Wi-Fi and see how she handles being with you, just you.

9. Play games with her. It can be video games or something like Jenga. Modify the rules a bit, to allow Spanish and English, and play Scrabble. Or she probably knows Uno. How does she handle winning and losing?

10. Introduce her to new sexual experiences. This won't be easy with a prostitute, but should be no problem with a "hot chick. " Uncover her fantasies, explore them.

There's so much more, which doesn't matter if you're just paying market rates to fuck prostitutes.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm planning a dive trip with a "hot chick" and need to get busy.[/QUOTE]JB. Every time for write your dumb reports you prove our points. You are truly a bitter and angry dude.

Why Elvis and M. Boy waste their time debating with you and the other clowns I will never understand.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2829038]I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. You are ascribing social norms common in the US to Colombian women who live in a completely different cultural environment.

Allow me to amplify. If a man (irrespective of age) wants to start a relationship with a beautiful Colombian woman you seem to think that age is a factor. Not so much. What is a factor is whether the guy is living in Colombia and is he able to speak Spanish at a good level or does he need to break out his translator app constantly. Why should she start something with a guy who won't be here to buy her a birthday present. (Birthdays are a big thing in Colombia). Is he going to be able to be a productive member of the family? Can he help out when help is needed? These may sound like pecuniary issues to you but they are what is in her head.

Colombia subscribes to the machismo culture. Men are the providers. Girls are groomed from an early age to want a partner who is a good provider and can be a valued member of the family. His age is not nearly as important a factor as you think. Sure, if the choice were between Messi and Warren Buffet. Messi would score the goal. But young women are told by their mothers and grandmothers, from an early age, that "it is just as easy to fall in love with a rich man as it is with a poor man."

Colombian women are constantly reminded (again by their mothers and grandmothers). Look at Maria, she has 2 babies and her boyfriend left. She has to raise them all by herself. Get yourself a respectable man who won't run away. So when it comes to age, an older man is absolutely acceptable to a large plurality of Colombian women. (caveat: If he is gross (I. E. Over-weight, poorly dressed, or Frankenstein ugly) that will trump respectability and financial security.

Here is another tidbit (from personal experience). If you chat with an extremely attractive Colombian woman and you invite her to dinner one evening she will likely say yes. It gives her a chance to show off her best clothes and she doesn't get invited out to a nice restaurant very often. If you have a nice time and invite her out a second time. Well this is the juncture for her. Once was just to see how you both hit it off. If she accepts a second or third date, you're going to end up in bed it is just a question who whose bed.

Now just to preempt an argument. If the girl is from a wealthy family, she won't care about your financial security. She will likely have gone to good schools and be headed toward a professional career. Then the rules bend back toward US cultural norms (but not completely).[/QUOTE]And what does this have to do with a monger who does not live in Colombia full time? Why would a young attractive girl give it up for free, if she knows the gringo is a sex tourist (like it or not, gringos coming to Colombia are deemed as sex tourists) and will not commit to anything serious?

Also, what age gap are you talking about? 10 years? 20 years? 30 or even 40 years? Do you realize that if a girl is 20 and her Romeo is 60, they are two generations apart, meaning that her parents are young enough to be his kids? If we are talking about a real relationship, this kind of gap is fucked up in any country. The dude is one leg in the grave, and there is no guarantee she will inherit any of his shit when he dies. Now, what I call an acceptable age gap, which is the norm in any culture, is up to 10-15 years. Lets say she is 20, he is 30-35. They are still technically of the same generation. By 30-35 most men are mature enough, have careers and are able to provide. And still be in great shape. No need to date grandpas.

In p4 p, age gap doesn't matter that much, because you are a paying customer, and she needs your money. You still can get pussy, but, the older you are, the more you will be charged (in a free market), especially if you want quality. Some girls won't sleep with an older dude even if he offers much more than a going rate. Some girls would throw some crazy number, hoping he would fuck off.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2828994]

1. Take her to a bookstore. Does she get excited and start perusing the titles? What books interest her?

2. Introduce her to new (to her) cuisine. Teach her to use chopsticks. Test her palate and her willingness to try new things.

3. Take her to an amusement park, or a waterpark (make sure she brings a bikini other than the Wicked Weasel you bought her. Buying a bikini at a waterpark is expensive).

4. Plan and cook a meal with her. Does she know her way around a kitchen? Is she interested in learning a new skill? Does she feel a sense of accomplishment when the food tastes great?

5. Take her to see something she's never seen. It could be as simple as going to El Museo Castillo in Medellin (or if she's Mexican, take her to a public restroom that doesn't require you to buy toilet paper), or to a famous landmark in another country.

6. Take turns picking music. How does she react to your music? How broad is her music appreciation?

7. Play tourist together. If you can swing it (meaning a hot chick who has or can get a US Tourist Visa), Chicago, New York, Seattle and Washington DC are all good choices. See the local sites, eat the local foods.

8. Take her off the grid, where her phone has no signal, no Wi-Fi and see how she handles being with you, just you.

9. Play games with her. It can be video games or something like Jenga. Modify the rules a bit, to allow Spanish and English, and play Scrabble. Or she probably knows Uno. How does she handle winning and losing?

10. Introduce her to new sexual experiences. This won't be easy with a prostitute, but should be no problem with a "hot chick. " Uncover her fantasies, explore them.

[/QUOTE]Great list! Except for #10, these are all the activities I will do if or when I have a granddaughter. We will go to Disney, eat ice cream, play Jenga, feed raccoons at the local park, I will read her fairy tales before bedtime.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2829016]Something is wrong? LOL. If someone under 50 is paying for pussy, this should be none of your concern, because as you said it, my money, my dick.[/QUOTE]It is none of my concern. Show me the post where I am telling someone else what they should be doing, calling them names, or otherwise being critical of their actions. You will not find one. I am allowed to have an opinion. And I expressed it. Now however you want get your pussy, if you like it, I love it! That does not mean I can't have opinion of it. But you won't hear me saying anything negative about how you are anyone else do things.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2829016]Should the admins set a minimum age requirement of 50 for all ISG members then, because there is something wrong with younger mongers?[/QUOTE]No, I expressed my opinion. And my opinion is that every man should develop skills to get the sex they want in their life without paying. That means personal development to become a desirable man (however the girls your are after define it). I personally don't think any young man should rely on paying prostitutes for sex. Personally I think that is something that should be saved up for when your are older. But the younger generation may think differently. And if they don't agree with me that is fine. No one is going to change their actions based on my posts. And you will not hear me being critical of how others do things. Something you seem to continually over look when replaying to my posts.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2829016]But I think we both would agree on this. The wider the age gap, the more difficult it becomes to develop a real relationship or just hooking up with someone on a non-p4 p basis, and the more necessary it becomes to pay to cover the age gap. Therefore, I don't believe fairy tales about older dudes dating girls 40 years younger, unless these girls are ugly af and can't find a better alternative.[/QUOTE]No we cannot agree on that. Because you don't know what is possible until you try. Just because something is difficult does not mean that you should not try to make it happen. I get pussy thrown at me You don't have to believe that a girl 33 years younger than me fucked me today because she likes me. No, no not in Colombia. You know where I live. And she has been fucking me for months because she likes me. Note, I did not say for free. I take her out. I spend time with her. I listen to her problems. I satisfy the occasional money request if she is having a tough time. Girls always ask for money. Or they want you to spend money on them by taking them out to do stuff. I tell my girls they have to make a choice. Because I'm not going to take them out and spend time with them and then pay them for sex. It is either or and I let them choose.

And let me tell you brother the amount of money I give her in a month amounts to a 2 or 3 times what people are paying for "just one time". And I can fuck whenever she is not busy. Now you can get into the appearance debate. But I have addressed how I define a "hot girl" in another post. And my old dick was rock hard and giving her backshots that had her moaning and grabbing the sheets. You don't have to agree or disagree. Because my dick is satisfied with the arrangement.

It should be noted that I know nothing about anyone on posting here. I don't know where people live (unless they say), I don't know how old they are (unless they say). So if someone is under the age of 50 and relies on paying for pussy, my hope is that it is a choice made after deciding that putting in the work for real relationships is not worth it to them. They have experience and they are making a choice. After all it is their money and their dick.

And as I have pointed out before, this forum is a big tent about sharing information on having sex with girls. Using the one dick rule, you should have no problem with individuals posing about getting pussy for free. I would never accuse somebody of lying on their dick without proof.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2829101]And what does this have to do with a monger who does not live in Colombia full time? Why would a young attractive girl give it up for free, if she knows the gringo is a sex tourist (like it or not, gringos coming to Colombia are deemed as sex tourists) and will not commit to anything serious?[/QUOTE]You just made up a scenario to argue. Not every local chick is a hooker and not every visiting foreigner is a sex tourist. Normal people really do like and get to know each other. I have several friends who were not sex tourists that are married to Colombians who were not hookers.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2829160]Using the one dick rule, you should have no problem with individuals posing about getting pussy for free. I would never accuse somebody of lying on their dick without proof.[/QUOTE]The proof is usually I can't or don't do it that way so neither can you.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2829101]And what does this have to do with a monger who does not live in Colombia full time? Why would a young attractive girl give it up for free, if she knows the gringo is a sex tourist (like it or not, gringos coming to Colombia are deemed as sex tourists) and will not commit to anything serious?[/QUOTE]Nothing to do with mongering. Apparently you lost track of your own discussion. We are talking about dating and age differences. Your contention is that you won't be able to date beautiful Colombian girls if there is a large age difference. Let me repeat it again. You don't know what you are talking about and you clearly don't know Colombia.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2829101]Also, what age gap are you talking about? 10 years? 20 years? 30 or even 40 years? Do you realize that if a girl is 20 and her Romeo is 60, they are two generations apart, meaning that her parents are young enough to be his kids? If we are talking about a real relationship, this kind of gap is fucked up in any country. The dude is one leg in the grave, and there is no guarantee she will inherit any of his shit when he dies. Now, what I call an acceptable age gap, which is the norm in any culture, is up to 10-15 years. Lets say she is 20, he is 30-35. They are still technically of the same generation. By 30-35 most men are mature enough, have careers and are able to provide. And still be in great shape. No need to date grandpas.[/QUOTE]You are using the cultural norms you are familiar with in the US. In the US a 60 year old man dating a 25 year old girl is scandalous. She must be (and probably is) a gold-digger. Think Anna Nicole Smith and that millionaire in his 80's from Texas. But, Colombia has a different culture. Girls are not reluctant to date men who are 20,30 and yes maybe even 40 years older than they are. If you knew the country better you might see it for yourself. All you can grasp is paying money to get laid. Have you tried talking to any young women that you are attracted to? Have you asked them for their WhatsApp and started a conversation with any of them? Have you ever been on a date that wasn't a pay-4-play arrangement or as they say here "beneficios mutuos"?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2829101]In p4 p, age gap doesn't matter that much, because you are a paying customer, and she needs your money. You still can get pussy, but, the older you are, the more you will be charged (in a free market), especially if you want quality. Some girls won't sleep with an older dude even if he offers much more than a going rate. Some girls would throw some crazy number, hoping he would fuck off.[/QUOTE]You must be speaking from your own experience. I can't imagine very many Colombian girls that have a hungry crying baby at home, would turn down a good pay-day because she (like you in your judgement) thinks the guy is too old or unattractive.

If you really want to understand Colombia a little better, why don't you visit and just talk to people and not schedule any prostitute encounters. Just one time. You would be surprised what you might learn about the people, the culture and how people live their lives here. Of course, that might mean setting aside all your preconceived notions and showing a little intellectual curiosity.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2828853]So this post is just for you JBJBJ. I ll answer some of your questions even though as adult men I find it silly I have to do this for you or any other man.

1. Prime means when something is at its best. Here we are referring to the sexual market place value for men, so a man's prime is when he is at his peak value in the sexual market place meaning he can obtain the most highly desirable women. Men can hit their prime value in the sexual market place at all different ages, but in general this is going to be anywhere from late 20's to early 40's.

2. Generally if a man is deemed to be successful in American society, he has a acquired the necessary skills to obtain lifelong resources in the form of owning property / home, steady salary / cash, and a form of income for when he retires / pension. Success also refers to the man's happiness in regards to his mental health and sense of worth as well as the meaningful relationships he has obtained with friends and family.

3. "Fit" would be a healthy man, he has no afflictions from disease or vice and maintains an aesthetically pleasing physique in the form of low body fat and some form of muscle tone. This doesn't mean a man has to be a bodybuilder, but a dude should not look unhealthy if he wants to hit his peak in regards to his value in the sexual market place.[/QUOTE]I'm glad I skipped making fun of your other post. This will be more fun.

1. When is a man at his best, his prime? Who decides? What is this sexual marketplace you speak of? If you're including paying for sex, then a man is at his prime whenever he can afford "the most highly desirable women. " A broken down wreck of a man who won $200 million in the lottery just needs some grooming, new clothes and a Yacht and he's in his prime. A fat 50+ man living off daddy's money is in his prime too.

To continue, in your other post, you seem to be saying that you can only get 5-6 range girls, unless you go to Colombia and pay a 7-8 girl. And you can't get a 9-10 at all. Yet, you seem to be suggesting you're in your prime.

When I was in my prime, by your definition, getting a 7-8, on your scale was simple. No money required. Getting a 9-10, again on your scale, was almost as easy, it just took a few minutes more to get their attention.

2. I can state my occupation and I'm not "deemed to be successful. " I can show my income and I'm deemed to be successful. However, only the shallowest of men does either of those things when dealing with women. Success is an attitude not a number. Happiness I have in abundance. For the rest, ask my friends and family. Be careful how you phrase your questions. One of my best friends made a joke that appeared to be insulting and he got buried by irate responses from my other friends.

It's happened here on ISG. Some guy in his prime posts bullshit about me and someone who I helped out jumps down his throat.

If you're relying on paystubs, mortgages and your 401 k to convince women to fuck you, it's no wonder you can't move up from the 5-6 range without pulling out cash. Women want to fuck. They don't want to fuck a bank account, a W-2 or even a Ferrari. They want to fuck a guy who can leave their legs quivering. They want to fuck a guy who makes them feel good about themselves. And that's nothing more than the most basic of sales techniques.

3. This is just bullshit, except for gay men. A lot of gay men seem to be into that look. Women? Not as much. Clean? Well groomed? Confident? Well spoken? Funny? Sincere? Those things will get you into more panties than your gym membership.

Louis L'Amour wrote something like "man's greatest advantage in the war between the sexes is the curiosity of women. " It's as simple as that.

You're the one complicating things. Why add a 1-10 rating? As you said it's completely subjective. A few simple adjectives paint a clearer picture. Why include numbers in the scale that are not in your range. 6 of the 10 numbers on your scale you either won't fuck, or can't fuck. That's like having a 0-100 speedometer that won't go below 40 or above 80.

Look at how complicated you made it:

First, the 1-10 scale must be established by the most desirable men, who will rate the most desirable women, but first the most desirable women have to decide who the most desirable men are. Next you state that you're not one of the most desirable men, but you have your own scale, even though you have no interest, or ability to get the most desirable women.

I've kept it simple, as simple as possible.

1. Do I want to fuck her?

2. Is she worth my time?

And a follow-up:

3. Was she worth my time.

You're over there trying to decide if a low 5 is actually a 5, or if she's really a 4 based upon what you think someone, who you consider better than you, would think about her. At the same time you're debating whether you're willing to not get laid and just wait until you can afford to go to Colombia for something you can afford.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2828994]Here's a question I've been meaning to ask.

Is DramaQueen just Elvis in drag? Same atrophied grasp of English, and logic. Same bitterness.[/QUOTE]Bitterness? LOL. You are the loser who spent terabytes trying to say I had dated no beauty queen. Every time I upload a photo you have some bullshit story about her because you are seething with jealousy. And logic? I just posted what my latest experience was coming to Colombia and Dramafree has said he will never return here. Just like with the photos, you do not see where your imagination and reality meet. You must have been dropped too much as a child.

Dramafree is killing it with the women in Mexico, and I am in Colombia on a farm North of Bogota with my gal and her family having a blast. That is unlike the El Centro bars, what your sorry ass thinks the "real Colombia" is.

But MB, DF is right. No point in arguing with these losers who do no want to rate women on a 1 to 10 scale since they are only fucking ugly women. JJBee said guys here cannot date the elite because no elite woman would have shit to do with his old cheap unhealthy ass, and he is so egotistical that he thinks no one can do better than him.

My gal has a cousin who is 18 and is cute. It is amazing all that she does. She makes butters and jams and sells them and has saved up for a trip to Spain. She works as a dental assistant part time and starts university soon. I know no American girl as cute or as skilled. And the country side is teaming with beauties up here.

Sang said the women in Medellin are spoiled and materialistic and Tall Man and I agreed. Let the Medellin morons have Medellin. There is gold to be found elsewhere.

JJbee, you got some competition now with a new mouth and his War and Peace novels. Maybe you two should go on a date. Last one to shut up wins.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2829334]3. This is just bullshit, except for gay men. A lot of gay men seem to be into that look. [/QUOTE]Nope. I have a lot of gay friends. They are all different types AND they all have different types same as straight men and any people for that matter.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2829334]Louis L'Amour wrote something like "man's greatest advantage in the war between the sexes is the curiosity of women. " It's as simple as that.[/QUOTE]Never heard this but I think it is 100% true. For some reason chicks always say I am mysterious and I guess that is what makes them more curious. Besides that, I never tell them what they want to hear like most guys probably do. I tell them shit that is against the grain or they will disagree with.

In the streets we used to say she hates my fucking guts but she loves my pimpin. Chicks are used to guys trying to butter them up and use money, but come from a different angle and they become curious, which leads to said advantage. But it is all in personality. You can read all the pick up artist books you want, but personality can not be taught. Some of the shit that I naturally say or do would seem really weird coming from other people that I know because it is not their personality.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2829016]Something is wrong? LOL. If someone under 50 is paying for pussy, this should be none of your concern, because as you said it, my money, my dick. There are various reasons why someone in his prime age pays for pussy. Maybe he has no time nor desire to start a real relationship, too focused on career / work to invest time and effort in building one. Maybe he is married or just got out of a marriage / relationship and doesn't need any commitments. Maybe just for the sake of adventure, hunt, or convenience.[/QUOTE]Why do you need to start a relationship to fuck a woman without paying for sex? It baffles me every time you blurt it out. Do you have to buy a house every time you visit a new city?

In my 30's and early 40's I was working 70-100 hours per week. During the summer I'd frequently work 30-40 days straight without a day off. Other than Sundays, most days I was working 12 to 20 hours. On top of that I rarely started my day in the same time zone as the previous day. Yet, at least once per week I'd find the time to meet a girl and fuck.

Almost every night I'd get online, chat with as many women as possible and get them interested. If I was headed to Eugene, Oregon, I'd hit up Tina and tell her I'm going to be close to her next Tuesday. Tuesday evening I'd let her know when I was done for the day, she'd pick me up, we'd eat, fuck and have our fun and in the morning I'd be heading out to Phoenix, or Denver, and Patty, or Angie.

There were always women thrilled to meet up. Some were just lunch or dinner, a few ended up being multi-day fuckfests. Most of them ended up in bed with me. I had regulars in a few cities I visited often, others I only saw once. All of them knew I wasn't getting into a relationship with them.

[QUOTE]Should the admins set a minimum age requirement of 50 for all ISG members then, because there is something wrong with younger mongers?

But I think we both would agree on this. The wider the age gap, the more difficult it becomes to develop a real relationship or just hooking up with someone on a non-p4 p basis, and the more necessary it becomes to pay to cover the age gap. Therefore, I don't believe fairy tales about older dudes dating girls 40 years younger, unless these girls are ugly af and can't find a better alternative.[/QUOTE]The only effect the age gap has is that it requires more effort to find a suitable partner, either for recreational sex, or a relationship. Developing a relationship is the same process, regardless of age gap.

I've posted this several times. Other than to break a taboo, or from boredom, I didn't do p4 p until after I hit 50. From 43-48 I was in a swinging relationship. My girl and I averaged fucking with 2 or 3 other couples every week. After we split, I went back to dating, but putting in the same effort as before wasn't yielding the same results. Finding women to fuck was just ad easy, but either they weren't much interest to me, or they came with too much baggage.

I didn't feel like increasing my effort, so I turned to P4 P. Then Medellin opened my eyes. I was still doing P4 P, but I was also making friends with the girls and saw the potential for something more.

The start of the pandemic canceled my trip. Since I had to wait, I set a goal: Try to connect with girls who were completely outside the P4 P circle. It turned out to be ridiculously easy. All the schools were closed, many women with jobs were out of work, stuck at home. So they jumped online. TikTok went crazy as well as all the livestream platforms. Suddenly, all those young women were trying to make some money and fight the boredom by just sitting (fully clothed) in front of a camera and chatting with strangers.

And there I was, with 30 years experience of chatting with strangers. To make it even easier, I knew Colombia, especially Medellin and I could chat in Spanish. I was collecting Whatsapp numbers from girls all over Colombia, but I mainly focused on Medellin.

I wasn't some guy 30 or 40 years older than them. I was a guy who knew about their city, a guy who made them laugh, entertained them and made them happy. I was the guy they were hoping would show up whenever they got online.

Eventually, I settled on 10 girls to focus on, 7 in Medellin, 1 in Bogota, 1 in Cartagena and 1 in Cucuta. That ended up being just 6 in Medellin. Of the 6, 1 was the girl in the recent picture, 1 is my girlfriend, the other 4 were her sister, 1 of her friends and 2 of her sister's friends. The 2 I decided to focus on were the girl in the picture and the GF.

When I could finally get to Medellin, the GF offered to pick me up at the airport. By that time she knew what I looked like and knew my age. She showed up with her sister and they drove me to Laureles. They didn't ask for gas money, or for money to pay the tolls. They even brought me a couple donuts and made me a "welcome" sign. The next night I took them to dinner.

That was it with her for the trip. The girl in the picture was easier to get into bed and I had other women lined up. I didn't feel like putting time into the GF.

8 months later I was back in Medellin. The GF and I were getting more involved, talking every day. We spent a lot of time together, but always with her sister or friends, until my last day, when we finally spent about 5 minutes making out. They next trip, early last year, sealed the deal. We've been together ever since.

The punchline is that you gave a definition for a relationship, which definitely means we are in a real relationship, by your definition. Yet, even after doing that you claim it's a fairy-tale.

Or she must be "ugly af and can't find a better alternative. " Right? Even though I've posted pics of her on more than 1 occasion and you didn't mention her being ugly once.

We've been through this several times on various subjects. Each time you make a fool of yourself. Remember when you declared that I never post anything useful and almost immediately someone replied that you were full of shit, because of all the useful information they had gotten from my posts?

This is no different. If I was a 60 year old guy who always commented on how great your posts were, and constantly stroked your ego, you'd be congratulating me on the great relationship I have with a 20 year old girl. OTOH, if I was 25, with a 24 year old girlfriend and still calling you out for your bullshit, you'd be claiming it's impossible for me to have a relationship with a girl who was so close to my own age.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2829099]JB. Every time for write your dumb reports you prove our points. You are truly a bitter and angry dude.

Why Elvis and M. Boy waste their time debating with you and the other clowns I will never understand.[/QUOTE]That's the best you can do? You claim guys wouldn't know what to do with a "hot chick", yet when faced with a list of options you go and hide in the closet?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2829101]And what does this have to do with a monger who does not live in Colombia full time? Why would a young attractive girl give it up for free, if she knows the gringo is a sex tourist (like it or not, gringos coming to Colombia are deemed as sex tourists) and will not commit to anything serious?

Also, what age gap are you talking about? 10 years? 20 years? 30 or even 40 years? Do you realize that if a girl is 20 and her Romeo is 60, they are two generations apart, meaning that her parents are young enough to be his kids? If we are talking about a real relationship, this kind of gap is fucked up in any country. The dude is one leg in the grave, and there is no guarantee she will inherit any of his shit when he dies. Now, what I call an acceptable age gap, which is the norm in any culture, is up to 10-15 years. Lets say she is 20, he is 30-35. They are still technically of the same generation. By 30-35 most men are mature enough, have careers and are able to provide. And still be in great shape. No need to date grandpas.

In p4 p, age gap doesn't matter that much, because you are a paying customer, and she needs your money. You still can get pussy, but, the older you are, the more you will be charged (in a free market), especially if you want quality. Some girls won't sleep with an older dude even if he offers much more than a going rate. Some girls would throw some crazy number, hoping he would fuck off.[/QUOTE]Funny thing. I spent Christmas with her mother, grandmother, aunt, great aunt, great uncle, sister, sister's boyfriend and of course her. Her mother is much too old to be my daughter. Nobody seemed to think it was fucked up.

I'm going to bounce around a bit in addressing the various points in this latest proof of your insanity.

What does living in Colombia full time have to do with anything? While it does limit the amount of time we spend fucking, it also requires both of us to put in more effort. Until my father's death, my mother was married to a man who spent 9 months of every year halfway around the world, fighting a war in Vietnam, and he didn't have Whatsapp. They could only communicate through letters which took several weeks to arrive. Yet somehow they had a relationship which netted 5 kids.

Why would she think I'm a sex tourist? If you had spent any significant time in Colombia, meeting people who weren't prostitutes, you would realize that most Colombians think nothing of the sort.

For 10 months I shared an apartment with a webcam model. We've been friends ever since. I've met her entire family. I just saw them all again over Christmas and Valentine's Day. Not one of them had any issue with me living in the same apartment with her. Even her boyfriend at the time, had no problems with it. If they all think every gringo is a sex tourist, would that have been acceptable?

Funny thing is, when I was with the old roommate and her father, somehow the subject came up. My roommate asked if I had ever paid someone for sex. I told her that women always make men pay for sex, 1 way or another.

Women care very little about any age gap. Put on a movie with an older leading man and women aren't shy about how sexy they think he is. Shit, AL Pacino is 82, and he's not looking very good at 82, but he's got a 29 year old woman carrying his child. Last year everyone was griping about Leonardo Decaprio dating women 30+ years younger. Back when I was in high school a bunch of 14-18 girls drooled over a teacher who was in his 40's.

And this has been going on forever. Until fairly recently, if an old man's wife died, there was no shortage of father's offering up their teen daughters, even if he wasn't wealthy. That still happens within certain communities.

You seem to think women have no interest in anything beyond a man's age and his fitness level. I understand why you think that. It's because you have nothing to offer. However, most women are looking for something more.

Who has declared I won't commit to anything serious? It wasn't me and last time I checked, I'm the only one who gets to make that decision. I'm not shopping for rings, but we have touched on the subject. However, I don't expect that to happen.

This might come as a surprise to you, since you've clearly only had sex with prostitutes, but most women don't expect to be paid for sex. Most women would be offended by the suggestion of being paid for sex. However, most women aren't giving it up for free either. They want something in return. I started giving it to her the moment I decided she was worth the effort. Although I had flirted with her, like I do with most women, I hadn't pushed her towards anything sexual. She was the one who first steered our conversation to sex. That was what sealed the deal, although it took us another 18 months to get it into the bedroom. I wish I had saved that conversation.

But what is it that women want? What payment is more effective than cash? They want to feel valued. They want to feel respected. They want someone to get them aroused through their mind, instead of fumbling around in their panties.

Of course there are other benefits, but until you learn at least something about women, there's no sense in listing them.

I'm not going to elaborate, but it's obvious you don't even understand P4 P.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2829102]Great list! Except for #10, these are all the activities I will do if or when I have a granddaughter. We will go to Disney, eat ice cream, play Jenga, feed raccoons at the local park, I will read her fairy tales before bedtime.[/QUOTE]Raccoons don't tend to hang out at local parks. You're thinking of pigeons.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2825834]Ahh yes and here come the comments from the old peanut gallery. [b]Elvis[/b] have you ever noticed how no one ever speaks to you, but you feel it necessary to chime in on stuff that has nothing to do with, flaming a fire that was almost out of fuel. But then again that is what a troll does, and you my friend, are the definition of a troll.

Anyways I see the admin isn't doing his job again, so let the attacking and derogatory trolling comments continue if that's what floats your boat LOL.

Chao.[/QUOTE]Now I get what is the deal with Elvis 2008. He found a sparing partner. I knows I am going to keep responding. And I am not going to let his illogical posts stand unanswered. It is not problem for me because I write the way I piss. It is easy for me. Where as Elvis 2008 talks a lot of shit and practices what he preaches.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2828351]I was not even going to say this, you and Mr. E had a discussion. Mr. E thinks his way is the right way. He gets average looking women to fall for him and says he has real relationships while other guys pay for sex. When others pay or up their game to get the most in demand women, IMO I think he is jealous. Still, I have no problem accepting his POV because even though it is different than mine, it is logical.[/QUOTE]Your boy Mr. E said "pussy is pussy" along with:

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2826710]Pussy is pussy to guys who been getting laid. You just started sleeping with women 2 years ago so its still unique and brand new to you.[/QUOTE]So the idea is not unique to me. Either you have low reading compression skills or you just choose to ignore what others have written in order to stay in the ring with with me. Got to respect you though. You are taking your beating like a unloved step child well. And you keep coming back for more.

Mr. E is way more intelligent that you and has no reason to be jealous of you. The mere fact that you think he is are the thoughts of a stone cold narcissist. Mr. E is not lying his dick. You very well could be [I]Elvis 2008.[/I].

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2829363]Dramafree is killing it with the women in Mexico, and I am in Colombia on a farm North of Bogota with my gal and her family having a blast.

Sang said the women in Medellin are spoiled and materialistic and Tall Man and I agreed. Let the Medellin morons have Medellin. There is gold to be found elsewhere.

[b]JJbee, you got some competition now with a new mouth and his War and Peace novels. Maybe you two should go on a date. Last one to shut up wins.[/b][/QUOTE]If you are really in Bogota right now having a great time, how do you have time to post in a Medellin thread?

Finally, figure out who you are. You step to me initially screaming names at me like a man child now your are acting like a girly man with your passive aggressive bullshit. Man Up! Or just leave the building. You don't even know what it means to be a capitalist. You do not determine who is a winner. Take your narcissistic ass of the building please and give the rest of us "paz and tranqulidad" we deserve.

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2829548]Raccoons don't tend to hang out at local parks. You're thinking of pigeons.[/QUOTE]Raccoons also carry rabies and will bite. Don't even have a granddaughter yet and you've already declared you'll endanger her life. Stick with the hookers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2829405]Nope. I have a lot of gay friends. They are all different types AND they all have different types same as straight men and any people for that matter.[/QUOTE]Man, woman, straight, gay, bi. Every possible preference is represented. If I made a fake account for a dating site with a 350# woman with bad acne and toenail fungus, there would be guys trying to set up a date within 24 hours.

[QUOTE]Never heard this but I think it is 100% true. For some reason chicks always say I am mysterious and I guess that is what makes them more curious. Besides that, I never tell them what they want to hear like most guys probably do. I tell them shit that is against the grain or they will disagree with.

In the streets we used to say she hates my fucking guts but she loves my pimpin. Chicks are used to guys trying to butter them up and use money, but come from a different angle and they become curious, which leads to said advantage. But it is all in personality. You can read all the pick up artist books you want, but personality can not be taught. Some of the shit that I naturally say or do would seem really weird coming from other people that I know because it is not their personality.[/QUOTE]With today's sex toys, no man can compete on strictly sexual satisfaction. You've got to bring something else to the table. If you don't have any personality, bring plenty of cash.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2829753]With today's sex toys, no man can compete on strictly sexual satisfaction. You've got to bring something else to the table. If you don't have any personality, bring plenty of cash.[/QUOTE]With today's sex toys, no man has an excuse for being bad in bed. If you have a hitachi magic wand and one of those clit stimulators you're 90% of the way there. I can't believe how many women think I'm amazing in bed just because I pick the right toys and know where the on / off switch is.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2829546]

What does living in Colombia full time have to do with anything? While it does limit the amount of time we spend fucking, it also requires both of us to put in more effort. Until my father's death, my mother was married to a man who spent 9 months of every year halfway around the world, fighting a war in Vietnam, and he didn't have Whatsapp. They could only communicate through letters which took several weeks to arrive. Yet somehow they had a relationship which netted 5 kids. [/QUOTE]You are not married to her, nor you don't have kids with her. You don't even live in the same country. What makes you think she will patiently wait for you to come back? If she is good looking, she will get snatched before you know it.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2829546]
Why would she think I'm a sex tourist? If you had spent any significant time in Colombia, meeting people who weren't prostitutes, you would realize that most Colombians think nothing of the sort.[/QUOTE]Why? Because you literally have it written on your forehead. Do you think people who are not prostitutes are dumb enough not to understand what's going on and why you and other gringos frequent Colombia? Give me a break.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2829546]
For 10 months I shared an apartment with a webcam model. We've been friends ever since. I've met her entire family. I just saw them all again over Christmas and Valentine's Day. Not one of them had any issue with me living in the same apartment with her. Even her boyfriend at the time, had no problems with it. If they all think every gringo is a sex tourist, would that have been acceptable?[/QUOTE]Why would a webcam model showing her pussy or fucking on camera for money refuse to share an apartment with a sex tourist? I think is it a perfect match, "I don't judge you, you don't judge me" type of situation. And why would her boyfriend let her do what she does for living? Because he is a loser and can't provide, and obviously could care less if she lives with a gringo sex tourist.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2829546]
Funny thing is, when I was with the old roommate and her father, somehow the subject came up. My roommate asked if I had ever paid someone for sex. I told her that women always make men pay for sex, 1 way or another.[/QUOTE]You could not even answer a simple question.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2829546]
Women care very little about any age gap. Put on a movie with an older leading man and women aren't shy about how sexy they think he is. Shit, AL Pacino is 82, and he's not looking very good at 82, but he's got a 29 year old woman carrying his child. Last year everyone was griping about Leonardo Decaprio dating women 30+ years younger. Back when I was in high school a bunch of 14-18 girls drooled over a teacher who was in his 40's.[/QUOTE]Al Pacino is a celebrity multi-millionaire. He is one leg in the grave, and his GF and their kid will be set for life once he passes away.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2829546]
Who has declared I won't commit to anything serious? It wasn't me and last time I checked, I'm the only one who gets to make that decision. I'm not shopping for rings, but we have touched on the subject. However, I don't expect that to happen.[/QUOTE]Touched on the subject? LOL. What commitment are we talking about? You are a sex tourist, and I hope she is not dumb enough to marry your ass, let alone have kids with you. What is she going to inherit once you die? A semi-truck? Will she be ready to take care of your ass once your health deteriorates?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2829546]
This might come as a surprise to you, since you've clearly only had sex with prostitutes, but most women don't expect to be paid for sex. Most women would be offended by the suggestion of being paid for sex. However, most women aren't giving it up for free either. They want something in return. I started giving it to her the moment I decided she was worth the effort. Although I had flirted with her, like I do with most women, I hadn't pushed her towards anything sexual. She was the one who first steered our conversation to sex. That was what sealed the deal, although it took us another 18 months to get it into the bedroom. I wish I had saved that conversation. [/QUOTE]This means she was barely 18 years old (or even younger?) when you first met. She was (and still is) just a kid. While you are an old pervert. You could find someone more mature and suitable for your age, a woman in her 30's or 40's, but instead you picked a girl who just graduated high school. And while you were waiting for 18 months to fuck her, I'm sure you you didn't observe celibacy.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2829546]
But what is it that women want? What payment is more effective than cash? They want to feel valued. They want to feel respected. They want someone to get them aroused through their mind, instead of fumbling around in their panties.[/QUOTE]So, now you claim yourself a guru who knows what a woman wants and how to arouse them through their mind? LOL. I guess time to sell pickup courses.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2829926]You are not married to her, nor you don't have kids with her. You don't even live in the same country. What makes you think she will patiently wait for you to come back? If she is good looking, she will get snatched before you know it.[/QUOTE]Again, what does any of that matter? I'll give you an example from my wife's (my wife more than 30 years ago, died from cancer) best friend. She met a guy, fell hard for him, wanted to have him for herself, but he didn't want to settle down. She stopped taking the pill, got pregnant, and got him to marry her that way. Kid was barely 3 months old when he split.

Being married to someone, having kids with them, or living together guarantees nothing. That's something everyone who has ever had a relationship learns. Relationships are built on much more than fucking someone (and it's bizarre that you define a relationship as having regular sex with someone).

Why does she need to wait patiently for me? She's got school, she's got training, she has her pets to take care of, and of course there's her family. In addition she's in the process of opening a brick and mortar business with her family. It's much different than a girl who depends on fucking to make money so she can afford to party. You seem to believe that women have no purpose in life unless they're fucking a man. Weird.

"If she's good looking", there it is again. The implication that only ugly women would ever have anything to do with me. Are you basing that on the PMs you received from a certain other ISG member, telling you how ugly and misshapen I am? He's certainly entitled to his opinion, and to run around whispering about me like he's training for the passive-aggressive Olympics, but his opinions are not widely accepted.

As for her being "snatched up", again you seem to know nothing about women. She might meet someone, go out with him, fall for him and that will be it. Big deal. First, in order for that to be a possibility, you're once again declaring she's in a relationship with me. Next, that's what I'm hoping for, for her future. I want her to grow, learn, become successful and meet an equally successful man who will treat her well, marry her and raise a family with her. I don't own her, I don't want to keep her until I die. For now our paths run parallel. At some point in the future they will diverge. I think anyone who has ever had any relationship understands that.

[QUOTE]Why? Because you literally have it written on your forehead. Do you think people who are not prostitutes are dumb enough not to understand what's going on and why you and other gringos frequent Colombia? Give me a break.

Why would a webcam model showing her pussy or fucking on camera for money refuse to share an apartment with a sex tourist? I think is it a perfect match, "I don't judge you, you don't judge me" type of situation. And why would her boyfriend let her do what she does for living? Because he is a loser and can't provide, and obviously could care less if she lives with a gringo sex tourist.[/QUOTE]You've never seen my forehead.

Do you honestly believe I run around declaring to everyone "I'm looking for hookers?

You're familiar with elevator etiquette in Colombia? Whenever someone gets on or off the elevator there's an exchange of courtesies. "Buen theía", "hasta luego", it confused me at first, because in the US, nobody speaks or makes eye contact.

Living in a high-rise, I often bumped into other residents, people with their kids and pets. Once I opened my mouth, everyone knew I was a gringo. Would you encourage your child to practice her English with an obvious sex tourist? Would you strike up a conversation with him in front of your wife?

Colombians love Colombia. They think Colombia is wonderful and beautiful. Most, at least that I've met, are thrilled that foreigners come to their country and appreciate all it has to offer. Not one person, who was not connected with prostitution, has ever suggested anything to me about sex tourism. Shit, at the urging of a friend, a taxi driver invited us into his house and introduced us to his wife and granddaughters. He was driving us around Paris and pointed out his house. My friend told him to stop and asked if we could see his home. Do you invite obvious sex tourists into your home with your granddaughters? Assuming your granddaughter didn't die from the raccoon attack.

My roommate's boyfriend was an engineer and professor at National University in Bogota. Her current boyfriend emigrated (before they met) to a first world country, where she lives now. They own property on 2 continents.

Add webcam models to the lengthy list of things you know nothing about. She was finishing her BS when I was there, and has since earned a graduate degree. Like most of the successful webcam models I've met, she comes from a good family (it's a work ethic thing. The lower economic classes don't seem to have a good work ethic. The middle class seems to understand the value of working every day towards your goals).

So no. She didn't assume I was a sex tourist. Her mother, father, grandmother, brother and stepmother didn't assume I was a sex tourist. Maybe because I've never been a sex tourist. She knew me as someone who was respectful, well-mannered, protective and funny, all from my visits to her webcam. While her father may have been skeptical at first, he talked to me (yet another reason to learn the language) and I got his approval. Her mother loved me from the start, because she had told her all about me. Plus, she tasted some of my cooking and almost 6 years later is still raving about it.

Because you know so little, let me fill you in on my behavior when I was watching and working in webcams. I was never the guy saying "show me", or anything sexual. Instead I treated everyone the same as I would treat anyone. I'd just talk, be respectful and make jokes. If someone else was rude, I'd tell them to be respectful. It's how I got asked to work. I took a chat room of guys saying "show me your tits" and turned it into a bunch of friends all chatting and laughing. The "Show me" guys rarely spend any money. The guys who feel appreciated and accepted do spend money.

Many webcam customers are guys who can't talk to women, they have no social life. They're lonely and trying to fill the emptiness. Seeing a naked woman doesn't compare to having a normal conversation with a naked woman while a bunch of friends are all having a good time with you.

[QUOTE]You could not even answer a simple question.[/QUOTE]I answered a simple question. I gave an honest answer, which turned a potential tense moment, into something to laugh about. That's all part of social interaction. Maybe one day you'll experience it.

[QUOTE]Al Pacino is a celebrity multi-millionaire. He is one leg in the grave, and his GF and their kid will be set for life once he passes away.[/QUOTE]I'm again wondering how anyone ever hired you to do any job. You know nothing and have no interest in learning anything. You just blurt out whatever bullshit crosses your mind.

The woman has her own money and it doesn't appear the relationship is still ongoing. He may or may not provide any support, but it's certain the woman and child won't receive everything when he dies.

Once again you missed the point. You've said such a large age gap can't work, yet it's easy to find examples where it does work.

[QUOTE]Touched on the subject? LOL. What commitment are we talking about? You are a sex tourist, and I hope she is not dumb enough to marry your ass, let alone have kids with you. What is she going to inherit once you die? A semi-truck? Will she be ready to take care of your ass once your health deteriorates?[/QUOTE]It's amazing watching how your mind works. It's like watching an engine blow in super slow motion.

Last June she came for a short visit. Less than 2 months later she came for a longer visit. That visit was originally planned to last for 5 months. Naturally we discussed the possibility of making that stay permanent. It's part of trying to accumulate knowledge and being prepared for the future.

However, see&BP has the final say on anything. When she entered, they decided she could only stay for 7 weeks. We went through the appeal process, I paid the fee, she went in to get fingerprinted and we waited until the last week for their decision, before getting a return ticket. I've got a letter right here from DHS saying they approved the extension and she could stay for 5 months. The date on the approval was 5 months after the 5 months ended. Government efficiency.

Why would she inherit anything? If we did get married and we did have kids, she'd get the right to live and work in the US. If I died, she'd get a big enough payday from the insurance to retire comfortably back in Colombia, or to ensure her future in the US.

When my health deteriorates? You already declared I have 1 foot in the grave. Make up your mind (or better plan, stop making shit up).

[QUOTE]This means she was barely 18 years old (or even younger?) when you first met. She was (and still is) just a kid. While you are an old pervert. You could find someone more mature and suitable for your age, a woman in her 30's or 40's, but instead you picked a girl who just graduated high school. And while you were waiting for 18 months to fuck her, I'm sure you you didn't observe celibacy.[/QUOTE]You literally just said that one good reason for a man your age to see prostitutes was because he was married. Now you want to judge me?

If an 18, or 20 year old is "just a kid", how is it acceptable for a 30-40 year old man to be fucking them? You understand you shot yourself in the foot again? You keep grasping at straws and just keep contradicting yourself.

I'll fill in the details.

When we first started talking she was 17. She said she was 18, her sister confirmed that she was 18. I didn't even realize it until last year when I needed a copy of her passport. However, we were just talking, not even talking about sex. I know that's not something you can understand, but it's possible to talk to a woman without discussing anything sexual (or in your case without asking how much she'll charge you for sex).

She turned 18 about 2 months before we first met, which I believed was 19. However, our contact was limited to 4 quick hugs (at airport, in front of my apartment, at the restaurant and at her car after dinner. All 4 were chaperoned by her sister, who got the same hugs. The first time we kissed was shortly before 19 and she was halfway through 19 before we had sex.

I was never "waiting to fuck her. " Again we're venturing into completely alien territory for you, so I'll try to simplify it.

When we were first talking, we were just online acquaintances. When we first met in person we were just casual friends. 8 months later we were friends showing interest in becoming friends with benefits. 9 months later we were FWBs deciding whether or not to make it something more. A few months later the decision was made.

If you say "Hello," to a woman do you immediately take a vow of celibacy? Waiting pure and chaste until you figure out that she was just being polite? If you have a conversation with a woman do you immediately start shopping for an engagement ring? Seems a bit premature.

I didn't "pick a girl. " I got on speaking terms with a lot of women. While my motives weren't entirely pure, I wasn't seeking anything in particular. It turned out we enjoyed each other's company. Later, it turned out we enjoyed each other physically as well. Then it turned out we enjoyed being emotionally supportive of each other.

[QUOTE]So, now you claim yourself a guru who knows what a woman wants and how to arouse them through their mind? LOL. I guess time to sell pickup courses.[/QUOTE]No. I know how to talk to women. More importantly, I know how to listen to women. Once you have those 2 skills, finding out what a woman wants is simple. Although, if you can't speak Spanish, you will never get there.

Perhaps the most damning thing, in all of your statements which illustrate your lack of knowledge about women, is you scoffing at the idea of arousing a woman through her mind.

Arousal comes from the mind. Sure, you can rub your dick and get it hard, but what do you think is causing you to wake with an erection? That's all coming from your mind, which seems to be the only time your mind does anything useful.

Sticking your hand between a woman's legs and fumbling around is frequently painful to the woman. Dry skin rubbing dry sensitive skin isn't a pleasant thing for most. You're like Eric Idle in the sex education scene in "Meaning of Life. ".

If you're doing it right, long before you touch anything, a woman's panties are going to be soaked. If you only deal with prostitutes there's no need to understand that. The smart ones lube up because they know you probably won't have a clue. Of course, paying by the hour does put limits on what you can accomplish.

After all that it's time for the big questions. You've already confirmed, multiple times and in multiple ways, you believe I have a relationship with the girl who I refer to as my girlfriend.

Why does it matter? Whether she's "ugly af" or gorgeous, whether she's 20 or 40, whether we live together, get married, or have kids, why does it matter so much to you?

What is it about me being in a relationship which causes such a huge disruption in your life? In what way is my interaction with a woman you've never met, creating trauma for you?

Before you you claim it doesn't matter to you, do something you never do, think. This is at least the second time you've ventured down this road. When it comes to the material on ISG there is nothing more important to you than the fact that I have a girlfriend.

Why? Why go through all the mental gymnastics trying to prove something that you can't prove?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2829334]I'm glad I skipped making fun of your other post. This will be more fun.

1. When is a man at his best, his prime? Who decides? What is this sexual marketplace you speak of? If you're including paying for sex, then a man is at his prime whenever he can afford "the most highly desirable women. " A broken down wreck of a man who won $200 million in the lottery just needs some grooming, new clothes and a Yacht and he's in his prime. A fat 50+ man living off daddy's money is in his prime too.

To continue, in your other post, you seem to be saying that you can only get 5-6 range girls, unless you go to Colombia and pay a 7-8 girl. And you can't get a 9-10 at all. Yet, you seem to be suggesting you're in your prime.

When I was in my prime, by your definition, getting a 7-8, on your scale was simple. No money required. Getting a 9-10, again on your scale, was almost as easy, it just took a few minutes more to get their attention.

2. I can state my occupation and I'm not "deemed to be successful. " I can show my income and I'm deemed to be successful. However, only the shallowest of men does either of those things when dealing with women. Success is an attitude not a number. Happiness I have in abundance. For the rest, ask my friends and family. Be careful how you phrase your questions. One of my best friends made a joke that appeared to be insulting and he got buried by irate responses from my other friends.

It's happened here on ISG. Some guy in his prime posts bullshit about me and someone who I helped out jumps down his throat.

If you're relying on paystubs, mortgages and your 401 k to convince women to fuck you, it's no wonder you can't move up from the 5-6 range without pulling out cash. Women want to fuck. They don't want to fuck a bank account, a W-2 or even a Ferrari. They want to fuck a guy who can leave their legs quivering. They want to fuck a guy who makes them feel good about themselves. And that's nothing more than the most basic of sales techniques.

3. This is just bullshit, except for gay men. A lot of gay men seem to be into that look. Women? Not as much. Clean? Well groomed? Confident? Well spoken? Funny? Sincere? Those things will get you into more panties than your gym membership.

Louis L'Amour wrote something like "man's greatest advantage in the war between the sexes is the curiosity of women. " It's as simple as that.

You're the one complicating things. Why add a 1-10 rating? As you said it's completely subjective. A few simple adjectives paint a clearer picture. Why include numbers in the scale that are not in your range. 6 of the 10 numbers on your scale you either won't fuck, or can't fuck. That's like having a 0-100 speedometer that won't go below 40 or above 80.

Look at how complicated you made it:

First, the 1-10 scale must be established by the most desirable men, who will rate the most desirable women, but first the most desirable women have to decide who the most desirable men are. Next you state that you're not one of the most desirable men, but you have your own scale, even though you have no interest, or ability to get the most desirable women.

I've kept it simple, as simple as possible.

1. Do I want to fuck her?

2. Is she worth my time?

And a follow-up:

3. Was she worth my time.

You're over there trying to decide if a low 5 is actually a 5, or if she's really a 4 based upon what you think someone, who you consider better than you, would think about her. At the same time you're debating whether you're willing to not get laid and just wait until you can afford to go to Colombia for something you can afford.[/QUOTE]Props to you bro. You must have been the man when you were younger taking down 7-8's and you say you took down 9-10's with ease as well. Now I don't know you but few guys take down 9-10's for casual sex with ease. Those guys are alphas and they are rare. If you were one of those guys, props to you bro, but I do wonder about how truthful you are being with that one.

Just being real and I think a lot of guys will resonate with what I state here about the women I can fuck. In my 20's I got 7-8's with some regularity. Had some girlfriends who were also in the range. Now close to 40, I can still get a 7-8 to fuck, but it has to come with real emotional attachment and a true commitment somewhere down the line. Without a commitment and just a random fuck, the 7-8's are kinda out of my range at this point unless I am batting 100 and really on my game. I could make another run at it and I am planning it. I got to the point where I was really pissing girls off by fucking them and then ghosting them and it wasn't cool on top of the fact you get a bad rep in town for constantly doing it. Another problem is I am a member of the local community, I am known and due to my employment, I really can't be a life long tinder guy just out trying to bone every chick who pops up on there. By the end of my 20's I already had a bad reputation for that in town and at some point you do have to grow up and you can't be running around like that openly.

My solution to this dilemma is travel and take down them gems, treat them right, play the game right, keep it safe and no one gets hurt.

As to the other stuff, whatever makes you happy BJ69. Define success however you want. The reason I use 1-10 and not 5-10 is because a lot of guys will fuck the girls in the 1-4 range, so I keep it in the scale even though personally I don't fuck with girls below a 5. All I am really trying to get at is, we all can use the 1-10 scale to just get a general idea of where to find the type of girls were looking for. It's just weird to me guys get so offended and insecure if someone wants to give a girl a number rating. I don't get it. Why do you care so much if a guy wants to use that scale to exchange information.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2829926]You are not married to her, nor you don't have kids with her. You don't even live in the same country. What makes you think she will patiently wait for you to come back? If she is good looking, she will get snatched before you know it.

Why? Because you literally have it written on your forehead. Do you think people who are not prostitutes are dumb enough not to understand what's going on and why you and other gringos frequent Colombia? Give me a break.

Why would a webcam model showing her pussy or fucking on camera for money refuse to share an apartment with a sex tourist? I think is it a perfect match, "I don't judge you, you don't judge me" type of situation. And why would her boyfriend let her do what she does for living? Because he is a loser and can't provide, and obviously could care less if she lives with a gringo sex tourist.

You could not even answer a simple question.

Al Pacino is a celebrity multi-millionaire. He is one leg in the grave, and his GF and their kid will be set for life once he passes away.

Touched on the subject? LOL. What commitment are we talking about? You are a sex tourist, and I hope she is not dumb enough to marry your ass, let alone have kids with you. What is she going to inherit once you die? A semi-truck? Will she be ready to take care of your ass once your health deteriorates?

This means she was barely 18 years old (or even younger?) when you first met. She was (and still is) just a kid. While you are an old pervert. You could find someone more mature and suitable for your age, a woman in her 30's or 40's, but instead you picked a girl who just graduated high school. And while you were waiting for 18 months to fuck her, I'm sure you you didn't observe celibacy.

So, now you claim yourself a guru who knows what a woman wants and how to arouse them through their mind? LOL. I guess time to sell pickup courses.[/QUOTE]WTF?

So Dolphins / Marlins / Panthers / Heat Boi is against -.

1) Age Gap Marriages. Sounds like you buy right into the feminist rhetoric hook, line and sinker. Not one thing wrong with waiting until she was of legal age. I've had women underage interested in me aka crush. In some ways I wish I had listened to myself intend of people like you. I still haven't found a woman as smart or attractive as one particular woman and that includes visits to Latin America, Eastern Europe and Western Europe.

A good friend of mine specifically waited until his wife who he met when she was 16 have no physical contact until she was 18, she wanted otherwise (crush). When she turned 18, the very morning she called him with the good news.

He was 29 at the time they met. He married her about four months ago. He is 36, she is now 24 recently graduated from Univ.

2) Why is he automatically a sex tourist when you have no idea of his interactions with others. Maybe people see you as a sex tourist?

3) Why do you have a problem with adult entertainment work and why you calling some woman's boyfriend a loser from the safety of your South beach resort home? Do you watch Fresh & Fit too?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2829753]Man, woman, straight, gay, bi. Every possible preference is represented. If I made a fake account for a dating site with a 350# woman with bad acne and toenail fungus, there would be guys trying to set up a date within 24 hours.

With today's sex toys, no man can compete on strictly sexual satisfaction. You've got to bring something else to the table. If you don't have any personality, bring plenty of cash.[/QUOTE]Hold up. Sex toys are not a replacement for human interaction or intimacy. No matter what these new age Gen Z women tell you.

As Andrew Tate said recently, seemingly you are one of those dudes who would rather date a BBW with bad acne just to say you didn't have any contact with a Hot Travesti who put many natal Colombian women to shame.

To think I just defended your right to date younger women, yet you got problems with consenting adults who are no threat to you. And you think sex toys are a replacement for human contact? You spend way too much time in front of a computer.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2829592]Now I get what is the deal with Elvis 2008. He found a sparing partner. I knows I am going to keep responding. And I am not going to let his illogical posts stand unanswered. It is not problem for me because I write the way I piss. It is easy for me. Where as Elvis 2008 talks a lot of shit and practices what he preaches.

Your boy Mr. E said "pussy is pussy" along with:

So the idea is not unique to me. Either you have low reading compression skills or you just choose to ignore what others have written in order to stay in the ring with with me. Got to respect you though. You are taking your beating like a unloved step child well. And you keep coming back for more.

Mr. E is way more intelligent that you and has no reason to be jealous of you. The mere fact that you think he is are the thoughts of a stone cold narcissist. Mr. E is not lying his dick. You very well could be [I]Elvis 2008.[/I].

If you are really in Bogota right now having a great time, how do you have time to post in a Medellin thread?

Finally, figure out who you are. You step to me initially screaming names at me like a man child now your are acting like a girly man with your passive aggressive bullshit. Man Up! Or just leave the building. You don't even know what it means to be a capitalist. You do not determine who is a winner. Take your narcissistic ass of the building please and give the rest of us "paz and tranqulidad" we deserve.

[B]How you like me now?[/B][/QUOTE]This is what happens when Gen Z comes of age and starts exploring the world. We did the same thing when we were there age, but the internet wasn't as mature as it is now.

My issue with Gen Z is they love to tell everybody what they are doing and spread it all over. Putting all their activities on blast and now they wonder why some are getting deleted, drugged by street walkers and chicks off Tinder.

[QUOTE=DJFourMoney;2830020]WTF?


3) Why do you have a problem with adult entertainment work and why you calling some woman's boyfriend a loser from the safety of your South beach resort home? Do you watch Fresh & Fit too?[/QUOTE]Can we start a new section called 'Stupid Shlt that Miami Boy says'?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2830040]Can we start a new section called 'Stupid Shlt that Miami Boy says'?[/QUOTE]Yes I agree and second this. The admin should make a separate section and move all of MiamiBoy1's posts into there and it should be titled "Stupid shit MiamiBoy posts. ".

Maybe even make it so his posts automatically go there even if he posts in the main medellin thread.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2829592] Mr. E is way more intelligent that you and has no reason to be jealous of you. The mere fact that you think he is are the thoughts of a stone cold narcissist. You step to me initially screaming names at me like a man child now your are acting like a girly man with your passive aggressive bullshit. Man Up! Or just leave the building. You don't even know what it means to be a capitalist. You do not determine who is a winner. Take your narcissistic ass of the building please and give the rest of us "paz and tranqulidad" we deserve.[/QUOTE]I think it is funny a hypocritical loser like you claims to eschew ad hominems and that is all you fucking do.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2829592] He found a sparing partner. I knows I am going to keep responding. And I am not going to let his illogical posts stand unanswered. It is not problem for me because I write the way I piss. It is easy for me. Where as Elvis 2008 talks a lot of shit and practices what he preaches.[/QUOTE]You are NOT a sparring partner, and you have been on the fucking mat since I started messing with you. You are all about yourself and your stupid image, have no idea what I am about, and do not even understand why I am ripping into you. All you did was reach back and find when people put me down to make yourself feel better.

If pussy is pussy, and Mr. E is not paying for it, and you are, he has you beat. Not that hard.

The counter to the argument is all pussy is not equal and there is value in paying for it. Now I do not even agree with that completely but that is the counter argument.

In my world, pussy is what attracts a man but it is not what keeps you with a woman. Sure, first, it is looks then sexual skill but personality and character are what really matters in the end, and the last two are a lot harder than the first two.

The pussy is pussy argument is defeatist. It is saying all pussy is the same and guys should do not even try to do better. It is the phrasing of losers. As I have said before, going on a lot of dates, getting stiffed, having women pretend to like you and the pain when you found out they do not, the craziness, and the materialism are hard to take. It is easier to just say "Fuck it, I am not going to trust anyone and just pay for it and the less the better. " It is funny how JJBee calls me negative when this bullshit thought process is literally the most negative shit that there is.

So a friend said the other day, "I tell everyone that Elvis has a GF who is five foot ten and is a ten", but the truth is anyone can have a 10 on their arm if they pay enough. The pussy is pussy argument is that you can pay for ten 5's the same as you can for one 10 and paying for a 10 is stupid then.

What other guys really envy is how happy she is when she calls and talks to me or when she runs in a full sprint in the airport and jumps in my arms when I come to town. Every straight single guy in the airport is thinking, "Man, I wish I had a woman who looked like that who feels that way about me".

So now the usual response is I am bragging or guys attack the woman. We got losers here in their 50's and 60's claiming 34 is too old. LOL. My point is what I have is possible, but you have to spend the money, shrug off the bad dates, continue to work and learn from your mistakes, and then, you might get someone as good as I have. And by all means, tune out the losers like yourself who say it cannot be done and pussy is pussy.

I was with another gal who had a good family prior to this one, but I cannot even describe how much fun I had with the current one's family. I got to meet her Aunt and Uncle two of the nicest people I have met. Then we took our rental car out and took their daughters around the area. We visited a chocolate factory, a dinosaur museum, and feasted on the best arepas I have ever had. We finished the evening with an amazing chicken dinner in a town with a spectacular sunset. If you are a Medellin moron, you add up all the costs I paid and subtract all the nice things the family did for me (free housing, free meals) and OMG, you got taken you sucker. Losers like that are missing out on life.

I do not care if you want to get married or not but you should want the prime women, AKA wife material because as pleasurable as the sex is, you can have as much fun out of the bedroom as in it if you have the right woman. I have met three women like that in Colombia, one in Mexico, and have not met anyone I consider wife material in the USA.

I have been doing this a long time, and there is a world of difference between a woman who sucks dick for money and one who does it at least in part because she likes you, and that is why pussy is pussy is literally the dumbest thing I have ever heard of.

[QUOTE=DJFourMoney;2830022]Hold up. Sex toys are not a replacement for human interaction or intimacy. No matter what these new age Gen Z women tell you.

As Andrew Tate said recently, seemingly you are one of those dudes who would rather date a BBW with bad acne just to say you didn't have any contact with a Hot Travesti who put many natal Colombian women to shame.

To think I just defended your right to date younger women, yet you got problems with consenting adults who are no threat to you. And you think sex toys are a replacement for human contact? You spend way too much time in front of a computer.[/QUOTE]1. I said, and you quoted, "strictly sexual satisfaction. " A woman with a good sex toy can give herself quick, strong and satisfying orgasms much quicker and easier than a man can give them to her. I never said anything against contact and human interactions.

2. I said nothing to suggest anything like what you seem to think I said. I simply pointed out that no matter how unappealing a woman might be to most people, there are guys who will line up to get some.

3. Anything Andrew Tate says, on any subject carries no weight, although it may be used against him in a court of law.

4. Your input is appreciated, but I have no need for anyone to defend me, unless Andrew Tate is trying to kick my ass. If that happens, jump right in.

5. Go back and read it again. Nothing I've written even suggests I'm against consenting adults do whatever they want.

6. Go back and read it again. I never said anything about sex toys replacing human interactions.

Maybe you were drunk, maybe you just glanced at what you read and went with your gut reaction, but you really should take the time to fully understand before you reply.

And a late 7. I don't spend enough time in front of the computer. I've got a dozen things I need to finish designing.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2830066]Yes I agree and second this. The admin should make a separate section and move all of MiamiBoy1's posts into there and it should be titled "Stupid shit MiamiBoy posts. ".

Maybe even make it so his posts automatically go there even if he posts in the main medellin thread.[/QUOTE]That is a terrible idea. It would take away the thrill of discovering his latest stupid shit, wherever he posts. If it all gets moved to one place, the thrill is gone.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2830040]Can we start a new section called 'Stupid Shlt that Miami Boy says'?[/QUOTE]I do have to give him partial credit on one thing. The first time I met my roommate's family and boyfriend, I was nervous. A really big foreigner, 30 years older, is sharing an apartment with your tiny, young daughter, granddaughter, girlfriend? That can't be acceptable. And I'm a pervert. At least that was the joke I used often. "Soy tu tio pervertido."

However, I was looking at it from the US view. The US view is that sex is dirty, evil and should be avoided at all costs, except to make acceptable babies by married couples. The Colombian view is a bit more relaxed.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2830066]Yes I agree and second this. The admin should make a separate section and move all of MiamiBoy1's posts into there and it should be titled "Stupid shit MiamiBoy posts. ".

Maybe even make it so his posts automatically go there even if he posts in the main medellin thread.[/QUOTE]I have a better idea. A separate section for El Centro rats where you and your friends would discuss midgets, preggos, fruit stands, shower heads, and brag about how little you paid to get laid. You can invite your friend SubWay to join. Pussy is pussy would be the slogan of the newly created section.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2830040]Can we start a new section called 'Stupid Shlt that Miami Boy says'?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gabacho;2830066]Yes I agree and second this. The admin should make a separate section and move all of MiamiBoy1's posts into there and it should be titled "Stupid shit MiamiBoy posts. ".

Maybe even make it so his posts automatically go there even if he posts in the main medellin thread.[/QUOTE]I really wish there was a "like" button on here.

[QUOTE=DJFourMoney;2830020]WTF?

So Dolphins / Marlins / Panthers / Heat Boi is against -.

1) Age Gap Marriages. Sounds like you buy right into the feminist rhetoric hook, line and sinker. Not one thing wrong with waiting until she was of legal age. I've had women underage interested in me aka crush. In some ways I wish I had listened to myself intend of people like you. I still haven't found a woman as smart or attractive as one particular woman and that includes visits to Latin America, Eastern Europe and Western Europe.

A good friend of mine specifically waited until his wife who he met when she was 16 have no physical contact until she was 18, she wanted otherwise (crush). When she turned 18, the very morning she called him with the good news.[/QUOTE]A girl from my high-school class recently celebrated her 42nd Anniversary. Her husband started courting her when she was 13. He was 26, or 27.

Courting isn't dating. He got approval from the family and he would spend time with her and her family. He would sit with them at church, have dinner at their house and join them on family outings. Once she was old enough to go on dates, they went out alone, but she had a curfew. A year after graduation they married and it appears to be a happy marriage.

Although there were those who frowned upon it, such a thing was popular up to the beginning of WW2. Often the father would select a man with a good job and good disposition and make the introduction.

Teens make horrible decisions. Ask any hooker in Colombia how old she was when she first had sex. It's why so many end up single mothers.

While I didn't go through her mother and father, I did question her, before we began intimate contact, to be certain it was something she wanted. And I didn't rush things. When we got into her bed the first time, there was no awkwardness, no discomfort.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2830040]Can we start a new section called 'Stupid Shlt that Miami Boy says'?[/QUOTE]How about "Stupid Reports of Distinction", got to give equal opportunity to all posters after all.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2830187]I have a better idea. A separate section for El Centro rats where you and your friends would discuss midgets, preggos, fruit stands, shower heads, and brag about how little you paid to get laid. You can invite your friend SubWay to join. Pussy is pussy would be the slogan of the newly created section.[/QUOTE]It's not a better idea, but that's no surprise.

What they proposed would reduce the work load for the admins, while your idea increases the work load.

Under the current system, after the replies come in, admin has to decide if that bit of stupid shit is stupid enough to require moving it elsewhere. With your own stupid shit thread, all your posts would automatically go there without the need to rate the stupidity of each.

Adding an El Centro thread would require adding 1 for Poblado and another for Laureles. Then each post would need to be inspected to see if it meets your standards for the women other people choose to fuck.

If I find the time I'll point out more of your stupid shit. There are some real winners I didn't address before.

Why are all these people that aren't paying for sex on a mongering forum. Everyone knows being with girls that aren't hookers is different than being with hookers. That said, The whole point of paying is so you don't have to take all that time gaming when you can get the sure thing. Justin Bieber was caught at a brothel in Brazil. He is rich young and good looking, and even he pays for sex. I guess he was sick of groupies. It's a complex issue.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2830187]I have a better idea. A separate section for El Centro rats where you and your friends would discuss midgets, preggos, fruit stands, shower heads, and brag about how little you paid to get laid. You can invite your friend SubWay to join. Pussy is pussy would be the slogan of the newly created section.[/QUOTE]You know this isn't a bad idea. Like how the Tijuana section has different threads for Hong Kong, Swers, etc.

I think the medellin section should be broken up into different threads. Perhaps a Botero / Veracruz thread, a Parque Lleras thread, a high end club such as La Isla, Loutron, Gustos, etc thread, a centro casas thread, and a Facebook / Seeking / Tender thread, and last but not least, the stupid Miamibitchboy and stupid shit in medellin threads.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2830255]Why are all these people that aren't paying for sex on a mongering forum. Everyone knows being with girls that aren't hookers is different than being with hookers.[/QUOTE]Have you ever read the purpose of this forum? It seems not because you would have known it says nothing about pay for play. It can be found in the FAQ section. But here is a picture to save you time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2830436]Have you ever read the purpose of this forum? It seems not because you would have known it says nothing about pay for play. It can be found in the FAQ section. But here is a picture to save you time.[/QUOTE]Don't play dumb, p4 p is implied. Otherwise it would be a regular pickup artist forum where dudes post about how they seduce women for free.

Who cares about the chicks you are messing with for free? Are you going to share their contact info with others? Even if you do, what are the chances of other mongers fucking them for free?

Who cares about BBBJ's "girlfriend"? This is a mongering forum, nobody wants to read vanilla reports about how you spent a weekend with your girlfriend and her family, what she cooked for lunch, and where you went grocery shopping and shit. All of these is not relevant and looks like bragging.

If one claims to be in a relationship, and no longer being a sex tourist, GTFO and move on.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2830436]Have you ever read the purpose of this forum? It seems not because you would have known it says nothing about pay for play. It can be found in the FAQ section. But here is a picture to save you time.[/QUOTE]Maybe you should pay attention to all the advertisements at the top, left column, and right column of this very website. It should give you a good idea what is mostly discussed here. This is not a dating website. But you only date normal girls. Remember the time you screwed up and posted a picture of one of your normal good girls and so many guys posted they had been with her? Funny how you had no idea and yet you claim to know everything.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2830458]Don't play dumb, p4 p is implied.[/QUOTE]So as another poster mentioned there are blatant advertisements, but you assert the site's owner had to imply or hint around as to the stated purpose of the forum? Well he did not. It is there in plain black and white, but you feel inclined to add something to it? It is about men looking for sex with women. He could have just as easily written men looking for paid sex with women if he wanted, but you do not see that do you?

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2830465]Maybe you should pay attention to all the advertisements at the top, left column, and right column of this very website. It should give you a good idea what is mostly discussed here.[/QUOTE]There is a difference between mostly and only sir. Because you see McDonald's advertise a Big Mac on TV does not mean they do not also sell McChicken sandwiches and Filet o Fish sandwiches. And the advertisements here are paid. You think if Cupid Media contacted the owner to place an advertisement here he would say no I will only post advertisements concerning paying for sex, not dating sites? You are a dummy.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2830458]Who cares about BBBJ's "girlfriend"? This is a mongering forum, nobody wants to read vanilla reports about how you spent a weekend with your girlfriend and her family, what she cooked for lunch, and where you went grocery shopping and shit. All of these is not relevant and looks like bragging.

If one claims to be in a relationship, and no longer being a sex tourist, GTFO and move on.[/QUOTE]Yeah Elvis. You heard the man! MB1 said that since you have dumped him for another, he wants you to get off of this forum and get off of it now with your bragging about spending the weekend with your new girlfriend and her family and about her cousin cooking jam and shit. (Can't figure out why he called you BBBJ though.).

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2830069]So a friend said the other day, "I tell everyone that Elvis has a GF who is five foot ten and is a ten". What other guys really envy is how happy she is when she calls and talks to me or when she runs in a full sprint in the airport and jumps in my arms when I come to town. Every straight single guy in the airport is thinking, "Man, I wish I had a woman who looked like that who feels that way about me". So now the usual response is I am bragging[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2829363]I am in Colombia on a farm North of Bogota with my gal and her family having a blast. My gal has a cousin who is 18 and is cute. It is amazing all that she does. She makes butters and jams and sells them and has saved up for a trip to Spain. She works as a dental assistant part time and starts university soon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2830249]It's not a better idea, but that's no surprise.

What they proposed would reduce the work load for the admins, while your idea increases the work load.

Under the current system, after the replies come in, admin has to decide if that bit of stupid shit is stupid enough to require moving it elsewhere. With your own stupid shit thread, all your posts would automatically go there without the need to rate the stupidity of each.

Adding an El Centro thread would require adding 1 for Poblado and another for Laureles. Then each post would need to be inspected to see if it meets your standards for the women other people choose to fuck.

If I find the time I'll point out more of your stupid shit. There are some real winners I didn't address before.[/QUOTE]You should have your own thread where your fans could read your useless long ass novels about your life. It doesn't even need to be moderated. BTW, if you are no longer a sex tourist, what are you doing on a mongering forum? Looking for attention? Bragging? Practicing novel writing skills?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2830527]You should have your own thread where your fans could read your useless long ass novels about your life. It doesn't even need to be moderated. BTW, if you are no longer a sex tourist, what are you doing on a mongering forum? Looking for attention? Bragging? Practicing novel writing skills?[/QUOTE]I was never a sex tourist. Well, maybe I was for my 1 trip to the DR, but every trip to Colombia has had other purposes. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed P4 P in Colombia, it's just never been my reason for visiting.

Why shouldn't I be here? I have valuable insight on Medellin. I've seen more of Medellin than many of the vets here and I've seen things from a different perspective. Plus, when people ask for advice, I help. Occasionally, my help is appreciated.

That's why I'm still here, to help others enjoy Medellin. I don't need help finding lodging, or places to eat. Getting around Medellin is not something I need help with either. Finding girls? Clubs? Tourist attractions? I don't need help with those things.

However, other guys do need help. They need to know how to be safe, how to get around and how to make their trip a success. What have you ever done to help any of them?

Bragging? Me? Because a year ago I mentioned I had a girlfriend, and a few people can't handle it? All I'm doing is countering the idiotic shit you keep spewing. If that's bragging, then stop with your silly crap and I won't have anything to respond to.

You still haven't answered. Why does it matter if I have a girlfriend? Why does it make you so angry? Why do you need to constantly do battle, to the exclusion of almost every thing else, against me being involved in a relationship?

I'll wait patiently for you to avoid answering.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2830436]Have you ever read the purpose of this forum? It seems not because you would have known it says nothing about pay for play. It can be found in the FAQ section. But here is a picture to save you time.[/QUOTE]The website is called International sex guide. That sums it up. It's not called international dating guide.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2830616]The website is called International sex guide. That sums it up. It's not called international dating guide.[/QUOTE]And leave it to you to not have sex with chicks that you date.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2830616]The website is called International sex guide. That sums it up. It's not called international dating guide.[/QUOTE]Dating and having sex are not mutually exclusive (contrary to some opinions). It doesn't say International Prostitution Guide either.

I for one appreciate the occasional reminders here that it doesn't always have to be "How much? Let's fuck" arrangement.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2830436]Have you ever read the purpose of this forum? It seems not because you would have known it says nothing about pay for play. It can be found in the FAQ section. But here is a picture to save you time.[/QUOTE]The site's slogan or "tagline" is "money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac" (scroll to the top and have a look). That really defeats the argument you're trying to make, and leaves no doubt that when you add it all up the central focus of this site is [B]paid[/B] sex with women. That ought to be self-evident just by reading the reports! But since you're referring to what the site says about itself, which is legit, then you need to take into account all that is said. Which clearly establishes that this place at its core absolutely is about pay for play. It's not that other kinds of arrangements can't be or aren't discussed here. They are. But, those other kinds of arrangements don't go to the heart and soul of the reason for the site's existence. It's as simple and straightforward and common sense as that.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2830458]Don't play dumb, p4 p is implied. Otherwise it would be a regular pickup artist forum where dudes post about how they seduce women for free.[/QUOTE]There are guys here who do that, some who do almost nothing but that. Where's your outrage at them?

[QUOTE]Who cares about the chicks you are messing with for free? Are you going to share their contact info with others? Even if you do, what are the chances of other mongers fucking them for free?[/QUOTE]It looks like you care.

How about you? You won't even share anything about the ones you don't get for free. All you do is talk about the ones you recently admitted you can't ever get.

[QUOTE]Who cares about BBBJ's "girlfriend"? This is a mongering forum, nobody wants to read vanilla reports about how you spent a weekend with your girlfriend and her family, what she cooked for lunch, and where you went grocery shopping and shit. All of these is not relevant and looks like bragging.[/QUOTE]I'm confused. Was that a failed attempt to slam me, or are you talking about Elvis?

I've never spent a weekend with my GF's family, just Christmas. Didn't really post a lot about it either, just information useful to guys who get invited to spend Christmas with a girl and her family. Those invites are pretty common, even when guys are just repeating with a prepago.

Grocery shopping is useful information. Many guys rent apartments and need to buy supplies. If a girl is going to cook for you, knowing what she might cook will help you in the grocery store.

How does it look like bragging if I, for example, say I went to Bahia Solano with my girlfriend and then share information about Bahia Solano, food, lodging, things to do and see, things to be aware of, and the lack of working girls?

Now if I posted something like "my girl is an absolute 10, that everyone wants", maybe that's considered bragging. Or if a guy claims he only seeks the best women and insults anyone who he believes isn't getting the best women.

[QUOTE]If one claims to be in a relationship, and no longer being a sex tourist, GTFO and move on.[/QUOTE]You're the first person here who claims to be a sex tourist. Should everyone GTFO? And you don't ever post anything useful. Imagine ISG with only people like you, who can't handle anyone else having a good time and flat out refuse to share any useful information. Just a bunch of overgrown brats alternating between screaming and crying.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2830764]And leave it to you to not have sex with chicks that you date.[/QUOTE]I don't mind reports of nonpros / girlfriend experiences mixed in with mongering info. Since I speak Spanish I plan to mix in real dating one I can set up shop for months at a time in the near future.

For my two cents on the topic of the sites purpose the very top of the page under its title ISG.

"Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac."

Have fun y'all!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2830575]

Bragging? Me? Because a year ago I mentioned I had a girlfriend, and a few people can't handle it? All I'm doing is countering the idiotic shit you keep spewing. If that's bragging, then stop with your silly crap and I won't have anything to respond to.

You still haven't answered. Why does it matter if I have a girlfriend? Why does it make you so angry? Why do you need to constantly do battle, to the exclusion of almost every thing else, against me being involved in a relationship?

I'll wait patiently for you to avoid answering.[/QUOTE]This is not a dating site, nobody cares about you being in a relationship. This is a p4 p forum, and your novels about your personal life have nothing to do with mongering. You have mentioned your GF not once, but numerous times, in your responses to my and other members' posts. Mixing it up with stories of you driving a truck, sharing an apartment with some webcam girl and bunch of other shit that again, has nothing to do with p4 p. Keep your personal stuff to yourself and you won't get any comments.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2830912]This is not a dating site, nobody cares about you being in a relationship. This is a p4 p forum, and your novels about your personal life have nothing to do with mongering. You have mentioned your GF not once, but numerous times, in your responses to my and other members' posts. Mixing it up with stories of you driving a truck, sharing an apartment with some webcam girl and bunch of other shit that again, has nothing to do with p4 p. Keep your personal stuff to yourself and you won't get any comments.[/QUOTE]So you're saying there's one set of rules for me, and a completely different set of rules for you? Sorry, but I'm not going to play it your way.

Sure, I mention her. You've been going on and on about her for months now. If you bring a subject up, and it applies to me, I'm going to respond.

Apparently, someone, specifically you, cares about me being in a relationship. It's practically the only thing you can post about. When you stop caring about me being in a relationship enough to stop posting about me being in a relationship, then I'll stop replying about being in a relationship.

Same thing applies to me driving a truck, or anything to do with webcam models. When you bring those subjects up, I'm going to reply. Between you and a couple of other clowns my finances, my health, my job, my living situation and every personal thing about my life has been posted about right here. I figure it's just easier if I post about it.

Of course, the webcam experience I have, including sharing an apartment with a successful model is pertinent to the forum. Many guys come here asking about meeting webcam models or trying to get them for P4 P. Not only are you saying I should be held to different standards, you're insisting that I don't provide useful information to guys who ask for it.

Which defeats the purpose of having a P4P forum. You're one of the few posters who never has provided any useful information to anyone, and you're pissy because I do?

I'm still waiting for you to answer my question. What is it about me having a girlfriend that affects your life to such a degree that it's the only thing you can post about?

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2830255]Why are all these people that aren't paying for sex on a mongering forum. Everyone knows being with girls that aren't hookers is different than being with hookers. That said, The whole point of paying is so you don't have to take all that time gaming when you can get the sure thing. Justin Bieber was caught at a brothel in Brazil. He is rich young and good looking, and even he pays for sex. I guess he was sick of groupies. It's a complex issue.[/QUOTE]They're all hookers, free sex aint free after you've paid for drinks, food and who knows whatever else. Shoes, clothes, jewelry?? Some just get it from you up front and others milk it long term. Bieber probably went to the brothel cause he didn't want to have sex with some groupie who was probably just going to turn around and accuse him of sexual assault before walking away with a 6 or 7 figure settlement.

[QUOTE=RichTheFact;2831600]They're all hookers, free sex aint free after you've paid for drinks, food and who knows whatever else. Shoes, clothes, jewelry?? Some just get it from you up front and others milk it long term. Bieber probably went to the brothel cause he didn't want to have sex with some groupie who was probably just going to turn around and accuse him of sexual assault before walking away with a 6 or 7 figure settlement.[/QUOTE]No they're not.

It's amazing and sad the number of grown men who consider every woman to be a hooker. Bring that one up to Mom at the next family dinner.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2830797]Grocery shopping is useful information. Many guys rent apartments and need to buy supplies. If a girl is going to cook for you, knowing what she might cook will help you in the grocery store.[/QUOTE]Guys need help with grocery shopping?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2830797]I've never spent a weekend with my GF's family, just Christmas. Didn't really post a lot about it either, just information useful to guys who get invited to spend Christmas with a girl and her family. Those invites are pretty common, even when guys are just repeating with a prepago.[/QUOTE]No, you are bragging and spreading shitty misinformation. You said guys cannot date the elite which means going to dinner in the slums where they could be drugged or robbed. If you are not comfortable keeping your wallet out in the open in front of a girl, you sure as hell should not be going to her home.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2830797]Now if I posted something like "my girl is an absolute 10, that everyone wants", maybe that's considered bragging.[/QUOTE]It could be. Or it could be to counter losers like you who say guys cannot date the elite or get 10's.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2830797]Or if a guy claims he only seeks the best women and insults anyone who he believes isn't getting the best women.[/QUOTE]Maybe if you keep repeating this enough you might believe it. I do not care if you and Mr. E date average looking women. The problem is you losers claim your average looking women and the midgets and pregnant women are equal to 10's, and you pat yourselves on the back for not trying to get a 10. That is when you guys can go fuck yourselves.

When I posted a pic of a beauty queen, the right response was to ask, "How did you land that?" and try to get one yourself. You were like "That is no beauty queen" which is pretty much admitting you are a loser.

And I sent THAT woman a whopping $40 during the travel ban via Western Union to show her I was real. Until then, she had not responded to me.

Now there were other women, very promising prospects, whom I had met in person previously and gave a lot more money, and I do not regret that at all given how depressing Colombia was back then.

I seem to remember all you losers mocking that but being sympathetic to women who were having to deal with the horribly depressing lockdowns and travel ban is known as having game. You bring a little happiness to their lives when things are dark, and some really appreciated that.

When the travel ban was done and I went to Colombia, I got my brains fucked out. And among those women, I banged the beauty queen bare and put a whopping $40 total in her account.

On the next trip a month after that, I met my woman.

Somehow you all could not see handing out $40 and $50 to the hottest women when times were down would pay off. Really? So am I bragging or were you all just fucking stupid for not cashing in and doing what I was doing?

The bans on travel and lockdowns were probably the single greatest chance to score prime Colombian pussy in a lifetime, and you losers missed out.

And ever since that birdbrain, you have been trying to rewrite history to compensate for losing out. You would not know what good information was if it kicked you in the ass.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2831681]When I posted a pic of a beauty queen, the right response was to ask, "How did you land that?" and try to get one yourself. You were like "That is no beauty queen" which is pretty much admitting you are a loser.

And I sent THAT woman a whopping $40 during the travel ban via Western Union to show her I was real. Until then, she had not responded to me

[/QUOTE]Everyone knows that Elvis has narcissistic personality disorder. What amuses me is that he manufactures stories and they are blatantly obvious lies.

Look at what he wrote: he sent a beauty queen $40 dollars by Western Union during the travel ban to show her he was real. But how did he do that? His very next sentence says that until then she had not responded to him. So what happened? He knew her name and sufficient information to send her money? What is he. Kreskin? If she wasn't responding how did he get enough of her information to send her the money?

Yeah, that is what happens when someone is not well educated and not at all analytical. He can't even make up a consistent story.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2831681]Guys need help with grocery shopping?

No, you are bragging and spreading shitty misinformation. You said guys cannot date the elite which means going to dinner in the slums where they could be drugged or robbed. If you are not comfortable keeping your wallet out in the open in front of a girl, you sure as hell should not be going to her home.

It could be. Or it could be to counter losers like you who say guys cannot date the elite or get 10's.

Maybe if you keep repeating this enough you might believe it. I do not care if you and Mr. E date average looking women. The problem is you losers claim your average looking women and the midgets and pregnant women are equal to 10's, and you pat yourselves on the back for not trying to get a 10. That is when you guys can go fuck yourselves.

When I posted a pic of a beauty queen, the right response was to ask, "How did you land that?" and try to get one yourself. You were like "That is no beauty queen" which is pretty much admitting you are a loser.

And I sent THAT woman a whopping $40 during the travel ban via Western Union to show her I was real. Until then, she had not responded to me.

Now there were other women, very promising prospects, whom I had met in person previously and gave a lot more money, and I do not regret that at all given how depressing Colombia was back then.

I seem to remember all you losers mocking that but being sympathetic to women who were having to deal with the horribly depressing lockdowns and travel ban is known as having game. You bring a little happiness to their lives when things are dark, and some really appreciated that.

When the travel ban was done and I went to Colombia, I got my brains fucked out. And among those women, I banged the beauty queen bare and put a whopping $40 total in her account.

On the next trip a month after that, I met my woman.

Somehow you all could not see handing out $40 and $50 to the hottest women when times were down would pay off. Really? So am I bragging or were you all just fucking stupid for not cashing in and doing what I was doing?

The bans on travel and lockdowns were probably the single greatest chance to score prime Colombian pussy in a lifetime, and you losers missed out.

And ever since that birdbrain, you have been trying to rewrite history to compensate for losing out. You would not know what good information was if it kicked you in the ass.[/QUOTE]It's not that 40 bucks is a lot but it's the Pandora's box you are opening. All romance scammers, and I'm not saying your girl is one, start off small to see if you will bite. If you do, then it's 500 1000 and in some documentaries I saw 100 k or more. Whole life savings in some cases. Your girl might be the exception to the rule but it's better not to send money WU. I don't care what story she gives. Plus she has your.

Personal info.

This guy lost 500 k.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkAXZ0ZCYIA[/URL]

[QUOTE=RichTheFact;2831600]They're all hookers, free sex aint free after you've paid for drinks, food and who knows whatever else. Shoes, clothes, jewelry?? Some just get it from you up front and others milk it long term. .[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2831651]No they're not.

It's amazing and sad the number of grown men who consider every woman to be a hooker. Bring that one up to Mom at the next family dinner.[/QUOTE]Prostitute: A person, in particular a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment.

So it all boils down to the definition of a payment. If I pay her in my time and attention is she still a hooker?

There is always something that a woman wants (a woman that wants nothing has no reason to spread her legs), but it's not always cash. The "payments" they can open their legs for:

- for entertainment.

- for novelty.

- for presents.

- for infatuation.

- for desire.

- for food / dinner.

- for companionship.

- for information.

- for friendship.

- for security.

- for attention.

- for lack of better options.

- for half the assets in the future.

- for handsomeness.

- for orgasm.

- for marriage contract.

- for social status.

- for respect.

- for disrespect.

- for fun.

- for having children.

- for promises of XYZ.

- the list goes on.

Choose your preferred payment method and keep on paying. Expect there might be always someone else coming along with better offer.

Women accepting payment in cash are socially considered the lowest, because men in most cultures value loyalty and chastity, to ensure they raise their own offspring and to protect their time / effort investment. (They are some small societies where all men in a group have sex with a woman publicly to ensure paternity isn't known and a child have many 'uncles' to rely on for support).

With cash-accepting woman all any man needs is some cash and an hour or less to get inside her. Other payments require more time and effort, therefore feel like more secure investments and have a higher social value associated with them.

Even with cash-accepting women, some men use the same thinking as for other other women, and prefer higher priced women thinking she has less mileage and will have fewer future clients than the cheaper one (less past and potential future fucks = higher social value in their mind). Some men try to make a loyal and chaste partner from cash-accepting woman. It's like trying to turn a river with a stick but it can work at some cases as long as they keep paying, outbidding the rest or a woman accepts / needs other forms of payment.

Some people have a lot of money and not a lot of time: time is expensive money isn't (usually older people). Some people have it the other way around, not a lot of cash but lot of time: time is cheap, money is expensive (usually younger ones). Different leg-spreading methods are optimal for different circumstances.

Some people enjoy stuff like talking to women, spending time together, entertaining them for hours, and for them it feels like they actually haven't paid anything and made no effort, since it's just how they are, it feels "free", it's just having fun with another person, but still, a woman has received something here.

As for the mothers, they all had sex for "something" (*except my mother she's a saint). Does it make them hookers though?

Also, God bless the hookers, especially the ones that are honest and provide good service.

I almost never read your posts these days. Other than entertainment value, there's no point. However, when others are quoting you and I can see lots of opportunities to get laughs at your expense, why not?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2831681]Guys need help with grocery shopping?[/QUOTE]On their first visit to a foreign country? Quite often, yes they do need help. Where are the big gallon jugs of milk? Why aren't the eggs refrigerated? What are puntos?

[QUOTE]No, you are bragging and spreading shitty misinformation. You said guys cannot date the elite which means going to dinner in the slums where they could be drugged or robbed. If you are not comfortable keeping your wallet out in the open in front of a girl, you sure as hell should not be going to her home.[/QUOTE]This is what you replied "No" to. There's no question there. Nothing stated is disputable. There's no mention of going to dinner in the slums. There's no bragging, although I could brag about the food served, or about how much everyone enjoyed my snack tray.

Also, "shitty misinformation", translates to good information. Shitty equals bad, misinformation equals bad information. Bad, bad information equals good information.

[QUOTE]I've never spent a weekend with my GF's family, just Christmas. Didn't really post a lot about it either, just information useful to guys who get invited to spend Christmas with a girl and her family. Those invites are pretty common, even when guys are just repeating with a prepago.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]It could be. Or it could be to counter losers like you who say guys cannot date the elite or get 10's.[/QUOTE]Why do you need to "counter" anything? You've posted pictures of "10's" in the past. The almost universal response to each of them was "meh. " I don't recall a single one which garnered any praise for your "conquest. " Add to that the fact you always throw in some mystery friend who declares the girl in question is a perfect 10. Repeat 50 times and it's way beyond bragging, but I think someone else already provided the associated personality disorder.

[QUOTE]Maybe if you keep repeating this enough you might believe it. I do not care if you and Mr. E date average looking women. The problem is you losers claim your average looking women and the midgets and pregnant women are equal to 10's, and you pat yourselves on the back for not trying to get a 10. That is when you guys can go fuck yourselves.[/QUOTE]Once again, your response appears to have no connection to what you're responding to. What you quoted, included below, is what MB has been doing, pretty much borrowing your playbook. I won't speak for MrE, but I've never claimed any girl was equal to a 10. I've compared pictures of the girls you called 10's and decided on the scale you use mine must be a 14. However, that's just because you've never posted a picture of any truly spectacular women.

Nobody, except you and your fellow narcissists, is patting themselves on the back. Everyone else says things like "I had fun. ".

Come to think about it, I should be patting myself on the back "for not trying to get a "10. " After all, your 10's have all been just decent looking women, mostly high mileage, found on a website for women looking for sugar daddies. You've even stated that a man has to be worthy of a woman who is looking for a monthly allowance to fuck you.

[QUOTE]Or if a guy claims he only seeks the best women and insults anyone who he believes isn't getting the best women.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]When I posted a pic of a beauty queen, the right response was to ask, "How did you land that?" and try to get one yourself. You were like "That is no beauty queen" which is pretty much admitting you are a loser.

And I sent THAT woman a whopping $40 during the travel ban via Western Union to show her I was real. Until then, she had not responded to me.

Now there were other women, very promising prospects, whom I had met in person previously and gave a lot more money, and I do not regret that at all given how depressing Colombia was back then.

I seem to remember all you losers mocking that but being sympathetic to women who were having to deal with the horribly depressing lockdowns and travel ban is known as having game. You bring a little happiness to their lives when things are dark, and some really appreciated that.

When the travel ban was done and I went to Colombia, I got my brains fucked out. And among those women, I banged the beauty queen bare and put a whopping $40 total in her account.[/QUOTE]Your "beauty queen" was a fairly average looking woman, standing outside what looked like a typical, small town beach bar, wearing a white sash, with nothing on it. It depicted someone in a local beauty contest, frequently held at small town beach bars. I'm certain the Miss Cartagena contest isn't held behind a small town beach bar. Had she been Miss Cartagena and a runner-up to Miss Colombia, there would have been pictures identifying her as such. You can't even claim you were protecting her anonymity, because a simple photo search would reveal her identity, if she ever achieved any fame.

You bought an pretty average fish and you expect everyone to respond as if you'd caught a record marlin.

The problem with idiots making up stories, is they invariably prove they're idiots making up stories. How exactly did that work? You went to a local Western Union, showed them a picture, and a Seeking profile and told them you wanted to send her $40? You hired a bunch of detectives to find the woman in the picture, had them get her personal information, so you could send Western Union and then had someone drop off the transaction number along with a link to your seeking profile?

Here's a huge hint. If a woman won't acknowledge your existence until you give her money, she's a hooker, and not a particularly good hooker, because a good hooker knows first you lay, then they pay. It also means, you have nothing, other than money, of interest to women.

I've said it many times, if anyone wants to send money to any woman, that's their business. However, the only guarantee you get when sending money is that you'll eventually be asked to send more.

In your case, getting your brains fucked out only takes a Kleenex and a quick blow through your nose.

[QUOTE]On the next trip a month after that, I met my woman.

Somehow you all could not see handing out $40 and $50 to the hottest women when times were down would pay off. Really? So am I bragging or were you all just fucking stupid for not cashing in and doing what I was doing?

The bans on travel and lockdowns were probably the single greatest chance to score prime Colombian pussy in a lifetime, and you losers missed out.

And ever since that birdbrain, you have been trying to rewrite history to compensate for losing out. You would not know what good information was if it kicked you in the ass.[/QUOTE]And your woman is 35 with a teenage daughter. Yes we know. All the women are 10's, all the women work out 3 hours per day. All the women are highly sought after. All the women are wealthy, well-educated and extremely successful. You've repeated it 100 times.

Yet, those highly motivated, highly successful 10's were willing to filuck a fat gringo for $40.

I have no need to rewrite history. It's all been posted here.

The funniest thing about you and MB, and I was thinking this before I read your post, is the irony. On paper, you two are Abbott and Costello, pure slapstick, stumbling around and tripping over simple English phrases. But the closer is the irony.

Both of you have long been posting about putting in extra effort, putting in the time, and spending the money to get something better than the typical girl. Then, when I did exactly that, you both got pissed off about it. The only difference, instead of throwing money at girls until 1 decided to look my way, I got the girls to look my way, commit to meeting me and meet me, before I decided which one to spend money and time with.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2831944]I almost never read your posts these days. Other than entertainment value, there's no point. However, when others are quoting you and I can see lots of opportunities to get laughs at your expense, why not? Nobody, except you and your fellow narcissists, is patting themselves on the back. Everyone else says things like "I had fun. ".[/QUOTE]Let me help you out here with what a narcissist is and why you are one.

[URL]https://psychcentral.com/blog/recovering-narcissist/2017/08/5-ways-pathologically-envious-narcissists-undermine-your-success[/URL]#1.

The inability to congratulate others on a job well done. As obvious as this behavior might seem, it often goes unnoticed and needs to be addressed if it is part of a chronic behavior pattern. This is someone who cannot even muster the ability to say congratulations when another person is succeeding.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2831944]The almost universal response to each of your photos was "meh. "[/QUOTE]You will have to forgive me for the "meh" comment. That is what jealous people and narcissists are always going to say. You have posted one photo that I can recall and I said your girl was cute. She was no 10, a 7 or 8, and I congratulated you on landing her. When I went through the history of guys saying meh, I never found one sleeping with beauties but guys fucking average women or downright pigs.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2831944]Your "beauty queen" was a fairly average looking woman, standing outside what looked like a typical, small town beach bar, wearing a white sash, with nothing on it. It depicted someone in a local beauty contest, frequently held at small town beach bars. I'm certain the Miss Cartagena contest isn't held behind a small town beach bar. Had she been Miss Cartagena and a runner-up to Miss Colombia, there would have been pictures identifying her as such. You can't even claim you were protecting her anonymity, because a simple photo search would reveal her identity, if she ever achieved any fame.

You bought an pretty average fish and you expect everyone to respond as if you'd caught a record marlin.[/QUOTE]No, it was not in some beach bar. It was in the centro region of the city behind the wall. It was not close to the beach. You literally made up this beach bullshit. Strike one.

And she was not wearing a white sash in any of her photos. Strike two.

Now does it even matter to you that you got these two things wrong? Maybe you can get Viliany and the other of your pathetic losers to defend you here. They are just minor details right? You and your fellow losers are so invested in her being an "average fish" you cannot believe otherwise.

In one of the photos, there is a background sign with the words la reina on it. Maybe you do not speak Spanish as well as you think. Hell, maybe that was just a beer poster right?

The real kicker though is her name is in lights. Her first name is Annie and that is spelled out. She is standing in front of her last name and only the first letter see and the last letter A can be seen. I am not going to post her name here but I know what it is. Strike three.

I must have missed you and all the other guys posting pics of your beauty queens. Hell, maybe my memory is failing me.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2831944] Here's a huge hint. If a woman won't acknowledge your existence until you give her money, she's a hooker, and not a particularly good hooker, because a good hooker knows first you lay, then they pay. It also means, you have nothing, other than money, of interest to women.

I've said it many times, if anyone wants to send money to any woman, that's their business. However, the only guarantee you get when sending money is that you'll eventually be asked to send more.[/QUOTE]That speaks volumes about the kind of women you hang out. When I looked at a female friend of mine's phone on seeking and all the messages she got, 99% of them were men trying to scam her and fuck her for free. I think we both agreed on the few men who had money and were worth her attention. Giving the beauty queen money was to get her attention that I was real and not some scam artist trying to fuck her for nothing but a worthy suitor.

And while you are lecturing about women, you do not get that beauty queens are a different breed. The women you go out with are thrilled to get a guy to buy them a drink and will milk the guy for all he is worth. The beauty queen can get an unlimited number of guys to buy her drink. Hell, the bars even pay women like her just to hang out in their place and drink for free.

When you buy a woman a drink, you are in essence paying to have a chance with her, and that is what I was doing but with Covid, I was doing it when the bars were closed. Again, that is called game. Covid was a unique circumstance that you just admitted you let through your fingers. And no, she did not ask for me for more money. LOL. She had a job and her own money.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2831944]I've compared pictures of the girls you called 10's and decided on the scale you use mine must be a 14.[/QUOTE]And that is exactly what I would expect a narcissist to say. A beauty queen winner is not just about looks. There is poise, talents, and intelligence to them as well. This girl at 22 accomplished more than any 22 year old I knew. Not only did she win a beauty contest, she was running a charity, working a job making more than the average Colombian, and going to university all at the same time, and you are so dumb that you called her an "average fish".

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2831944]You've even stated that a man has to be worthy of a woman who is looking for a monthly allowance to fuck you.[/QUOTE]Why would an elite woman not want to be with a guy who is a provider? Again, you cannot tell the difference between that and a hooker, but that is nothing new. What I was saying is something you lack. You said guys here cannot get elite Colombian women. You have to be confident enough to think you are worthy of an elite woman, and not only did you say that you lacked that but other guys here do as well. I cannot think of a more narcissist and negative comment than that one.

That said, I do apologize. I was arguing with you about step three when you are so clueless you did not get one and two down. Step one is recognizing an elite woman. With the "average fish" comment, you have not even gotten past that step. Step two is having the confidence to think you are worthy of an elite woman. Scratch that. And step three is using the right bait, and you keep using bait to catch hookers not elite women. In fact, you and your band of losers insist the bait has to be the same which means you all have not gotten past step one.

But Dramafree is right. There is no point in debating. You are too old and too pig headed to try and do better.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2831774]It's not that 40 bucks is a lot but it's the Pandora's box you are opening. All romance scammers, and I'm not saying your girl is one, start off small to see if you will bite.[/QUOTE]You are right most of the time, but the Colombians were locked down and most could not work for 9 months. The best women, the women who want to do for themselves, took what I gave them and were grateful for it. That is why I said some girls appreciated what I did. There were others who hit me up after the lockdowns were over, and I told them, "Nope, you can go to work now. " They were the ones who felt entitled.

These were different times, and it is funny how quickly people have erased from their minds how scary and depressing Covid and the lockdowns were. When you deal with women particularly hot ones, there is a big flake factor but of the seven women I met, they all showed up. The worst flake job was one who met me a day later than she said she would.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2832036]You are right most of the time, but the Colombians were locked down and most could not work for 9 months. The best women, the women who want to do for themselves, took what I gave them and were grateful for it. That is why I said some girls appreciated what I did. There were others who hit me up after the lockdowns were over, and I told them, "Nope, you can go to work now. " They were the ones who felt entitled.

These were different times, and it is funny how quickly people have erased from their minds how scary and depressing Covid and the lockdowns were. When you deal with women particularly hot ones, there is a big flake factor but of the seven women I met, they all showed up. The worst flake job was one who met me a day later than she said she would.[/QUOTE]It sounds like it worked out for you. As long as you have your head on straight and don't give into future requests. At that point they will think you're a simp and ATM. 40 bucks is nothing to us and a lot to them.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2832036]You are right most of the time, but the Colombians were locked down and most could not work for 9 months. .

These were different times, and it is funny how quickly people have erased from their minds how scary and depressing Covid and the lockdowns were. [/QUOTE]Yep. Most of the world was locked down, not just Colombians. And people around the world, as well as Colombians, that did not get money sent to them by strangers did not survive those different times.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2831944]

Yet, those highly motivated, highly successful 10's were willing to filuck a fat gringo for $40.

[/QUOTE]While a 20 years old competing athlete fucks a fat grandpa gringo for free? And has a blessing from her family to do so.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2831651]No they're not.

It's amazing and sad the number of grown men who consider every woman to be a hooker. Bring that one up to Mom at the next family dinner.[/QUOTE]I agree totally. And furthermore, this notion that "you always pay for it somehow" is BS. Guys and girls fuck all the time with nothing paid for by either party. In the US, in Colombia, in Europe, wherever. People hook up at parties, after class in university, with a next-door neighbor, etc with no money spent by anyone. WTF did you guys do in your teens and 20's?

Now, if you're talking a guy in his 50's and and hot 20 year old chica, of course that guy's going to end up paying in some way. She may not even want to be seen talking to him around anyone she knows.

[QUOTE=Combo;2832210]I agree totally. And furthermore, this notion that "you always pay for it somehow" is BS. Guys and girls fuck all the time with nothing paid for by either party. In the US, in Colombia, in Europe, wherever. People hook up at parties, after class in university, with a next-door neighbor, etc with no money spent by anyone. WTF did you guys do in your teens and 20's?

Now, if you're talking a guy in his 50's and and hot 20 year old chica, of course that guy's going to end up paying in some way. She may not even want to be seen talking to him around anyone she knows.[/QUOTE]Well, we have a poster here, who is in his 60's, dating a 20 yo without paying. She even introduced him to her family and friends, and got their approval.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2832212]Well, we have a poster here, who is in his 60's, dating a 20 yo without paying. She even introduced him to her family and friends, and got their approval.[/QUOTE]More than 1.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2832212]Well, we have a poster here, who is in his 60's, dating a 20 yo without paying. She even introduced him to her family and friends, and got their approval.[/QUOTE]Sadly there's little to nothing attractive about the slow death of aging, especially when it comes to the last 20 to 30 years of life. That's why there's so many huge cosmetic industries trying to turn back the clock, little of which is effective. That's precisely why few guys here or anywhere for that matter, are running out to bang elderly women. Guys are free to convince themselves that they are a sexy grandpa, but when they go to selling their fantasy here it's normal to see some reality based pushback.

As to this poster that you speak of-don't know haven't read much here lately-do keep in mind, he can pull whatever he wants out of his ass by way of alleged personal experiences to try and get the better of an online dispute. But even if all he says is true with no important details omitted (doubtful), then his logical fallacy is "anecdotal. ".

[URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal[/URL]

[QUOTE=Combo;2832210]
Now, if you're talking a guy in his 50's and and hot 20 year old chica, of course that guy's going to end up paying in some way. She may not even want to be seen talking to him around anyone she knows.[/QUOTE]If the 20 year old is some tatted up glue sniffing hooker showing off her latest Gucci bag on Instagram and whose goal in life is to get as many likes as possible, I agree with you.

OTOH, you have a serious woman wanting to start a family, she will go for a successful, self confident, and stable 50 year old over some jobless 25 year old all day every day. And yeah, she will fling free pussy at said guy just to have a chance at landing a husband.

And any single mother with a brain is going to laugh off the 25 year old unemployed guy. She is already taking care of children and does not need another one.

There are hookers and there is wife material / elite women, and you guys have been too focused on the hookers.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2832263]Sadly there's little to nothing attractive about the slow death of aging, especially when it comes to the last 20 to 30 years of life. That's why there's so many huge cosmetic industries trying to turn back the clock, little of which is effective. That's precisely why few guys here or anywhere for that matter, are running out to bang elderly women. Guys are free to convince themselves that they are a sexy grandpa, but when they go to selling their fantasy here it's normal to see some reality based pushback.

As to this poster that you speak of-don't know haven't read much here lately-do keep in mind, he can pull whatever he wants out of his ass by way of alleged personal experiences to try and get the better of an online dispute. But even if all he says is true with no important details omitted (doubtful), then his logical fallacy is "anecdotal. ".

[URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal[/URL][/QUOTE]Most people stop aging on the inside at 30. Madonna comes to mind. Dating a 27 year old. I am completely different than when I was 18 but by 30 I finally got my shit together. It's why when I meet a 50 year old, she seems like my mom, even though we are the same age. It's what a mid life crisis really is. It's not losing your hair or gaining weight. It's realizing you're only attracted to 20's and all women your age seem like your mom.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2832309]And any single mother with a brain is going to laugh off the 25 year old unemployed guy.[/QUOTE]Could be argued that if she wound up being 25 year old single mother then she does not have a brain at all (unless the kid's father died in some kind of accident.) Kind of the pot calling the kettle black.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2832398]Most people stop aging on the inside at 30. Madonna comes to mind. Dating a 27 year old. I am completely different than when I was 18 but by 30 I finally got my shit together. It's why when I meet a 50 year old, she seems like my mom, even though we are the same age. It's what a mid life crisis really is. It's not losing your hair or gaining weight. It's realizing you're only attracted to 20's and all women your age seem like your mom.[/QUOTE]Jejeje best post ever!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2832196]While a 20 years old competing athlete fucks a fat grandpa gringo for free? And has a blessing from her family to do so.[/QUOTE]Amazing isn't it.

You still are hiding from the simple question:

Why is my relationship such a significant part of your everyday life?

If you ever stop hiding in the closet from that question, maybe I'll tell you how I pulled it off and why her family approves.

27 yo. Time to sell!

30 yo - 50% off.

Over 35 yo. Clearance (up to 70% off).

40 yo. Outlet.

50 yo. Goodwill / Salvation Army.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2831944]

Your "beauty queen" was a fairly average looking woman, standing outside what looked like a typical, small town beach bar, wearing a white sash, with nothing on it. It depicted someone in a local beauty contest, frequently held at small town beach bars. I'm certain the Miss Cartagena contest isn't held behind a small town beach bar. Had she been Miss Cartagena and a runner-up to Miss Colombia, there would have been pictures identifying her as such. You can't even claim you were protecting her anonymity, because a simple photo search would reveal her identity, if she ever achieved any fame.

[/QUOTE]I actually bumped into Miss Colombia (think it was 2018). She drove up in a black chauffeured limo in Cartagena Old City. She was having brunch at a place I was. She was a smoking hot classical statuesque beauty. A different league indeed.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2832309]If the 20 year old is some tatted up glue sniffing hooker showing off her latest Gucci bag on Instagram and whose goal in life is to get as many likes as possible, I agree with you.

OTOH, you have a serious woman wanting to start a family, she will go for a successful, self confident, and stable 50 year old over some jobless 25 year old all day every day. And yeah, she will fling free pussy at said guy just to have a chance at landing a husband.

And any single mother with a brain is going to laugh off the 25 year old unemployed guy. She is already taking care of children and does not need another one.

There are hookers and there is wife material / elite women, and you guys have been too focused on the hookers.[/QUOTE]Most everyone here knows that Elvis and I couldn't agree on what time of day it is, let alone anything more substantive. Well, it pains me to no end to say this, but Elvis demonstrated some good awareness of the Latino and machismo culture here in Colombia. There are a few others here who simply cannot grasp the concept. Perhaps it is their insecurity and jealousy but Colombian women of substance are not opposed to dating men who are 30-40 years older. We're not limiting these men to the "Gringo" group either. Many of these younger ambitious women are dating Colombian men who are older and successful.

Naturally someone from the US who has lived in my former country might have a hard time grasping the concept. Why in the world would a 25 why / o super attractive woman want to date a man who is 30-40 years older? In the US it would plain and simply be assigned as a Gold-digger hoping to score the easy life.

But as Elvis pointed out women are not preoccupied with a man's looks (a big difference contrasted with US women). A good hearted, successful man is a very desirable match. He can provide for his family. If they have children he is far less likely to evaporate in the wind as so many young Colombian men seem to do. The woman sees less of the muscles and more of the future for herself and their children. They will get to live in a better and safer area of the city. The children will go to better schools. All these types of advantages are presented to young girls by their mother, aunts and grandmother. It is cultural. In Colombia women can have successful careers but it is far more difficult. In the US women have much the same opportunities as men but even today the pay-scale isn't level. In Colombia women have far fewer opportunities and the pay-scale isn't tilted it is lop-sided in favor of men.

So yes, if you are a foreigner you can score women morning, noon and night, especially if you are opening your wallet to do so. BUT if you learn the language at least passably well and DARE to talk to women and initiate a conversation AND have a semblance of intelligence you can date women who are bright, beautiful and curious about your life and culture. One of the great advantages of Colombia! The culture is ideally suited to many of us.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2832514]Amazing isn't it.

You still are hiding from the simple question:

Why is my relationship such a significant part of your everyday life?

If you ever stop hiding in the closet from that question, maybe I'll tell you how I pulled it off and why her family approves.[/QUOTE]I think I had already answered your question. I don't care how you pulled it off, and I'm not interested in reading your novels. The story of your life doesn't belong here, this is a mongering / p4 p forum.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2832409]Could be argued that if she wound up being 25 year old single mother then she does not have a brain at all (unless the kid's father died in some kind of accident.)[/QUOTE][URL]https://colombiareports.com/84-colombias-children-born-wedlock/[/URL]#text=Colombia%2 see%20 in%20 particular%2 see%20 reported%20 the, percentage%20 of%2057%25%20 on%20 average.

84% of Colombia's children are born out of wedlock, and you just called the mothers of 84% of the women you see there brainless.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2832517]27 yo. Time to sell!

30 yo - 50% off.

Over 35 yo. Clearance (up to 70% off).

40 yo. Outlet.

50 yo. Goodwill / Salvation Army.[/QUOTE]Did you think of this one all by yourself? I'll give you a chance to give credit where credit is due.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2830069]I think it is funny a hypocritical loser like you claims to eschew ad hominems and that is all you fucking do.[/QUOTE]Incorrect.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2830069]You are NOT a sparring partner, and you have been on the fucking mat since I started messing with you. You are all about yourself and your stupid image, have no idea what I am about, and do not even understand why I am ripping into you. All you did was reach back and find when people put me down to make yourself feel better.[/QUOTE]You are actually the one that has no idea what I am about. I am not interested what your problem is with me. I loose exactly 0 hours 0 minutes and 0 seconds of sleep over your "[I]ripping into me[/I]". More importantly, I loose exactly zero pussy and I waste my life energy responding to you. You are critic. I am a man in the arena. You do not count. But even this reality has no meaning. Because it does not matter in the end. You will find a way to make yourself feel better because you are paying for sex with beauty queens. I have not problem with that.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2830069]If pussy is pussy, and Mr. E is not paying for it, and you are, he has you beat. Not that hard.[/QUOTE]I have paid for pussy in every relationship I have ever had. The only girls I have ever truly fucked for free have been in my home country where girls were rich enough individually, loose enough to engage in purely recreational sex. If any money is involved then you cannot brag about it my man. I didn't need to leave my country in order to get sex with girls as I suspect you have.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2830069]What other guys really envy is how happy she is when she calls and talks to me or when she runs in a full sprint in the airport and jumps in my arms when I come to town. Every straight single guy in the airport is thinking, "Man, I wish I had a woman who looked like that who feels that way about me".[/QUOTE]All I know about you is what you have written. And I can tell you that I don't envy anything that you claim to have done, nor would I want to be you. As I completely fulfilled being myself.

Before I left Colombia just a few days ago I told my girl that I like her naked. It was first thing in the morning and she was on my lap at the time. She stripped naked on the spot. And she said: "What my King wants, my King gets. " I'm very comfortable that you think I am a loser. [B]Pussy is Pussy[/B]. It doesn't matter to me that you don't understand this. Read my posts in the Dominican Republic forum if you need more information about this or me.

[B]Pussy is Pussy[/B] It is the girl that surrounds the pussy that matters. If you need a beauty queen to stroke your ego no problem. Individuals such as yourself need to be right! Please write a book telling me that I am wrong again.

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

Hey, what did BTC close at today? You still think I am a Socialist?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2833045]84% of Colombia's children are born out of wedlock, and you just called the mothers of 84% of the women you see there brainless.[/QUOTE]So what do you call having a front row seat to watching 84% of people do something that turned out unfavorable, then decide to do the same thing yourself? A smart move?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2833059]Did you think of this one all by yourself? I'll give you a chance to give credit where credit is due.[/QUOTE]You forgot to add your stupid signature question at the end of the post.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2833045][URL]https://colombiareports.com/84-colombias-children-born-wedlock/[/URL]#text=Colombia%2 see%20 in%20 particular%2 see%20 reported%20 the, percentage%20 of%2057%25%20 on%20 average.

84% of Colombia's children are born out of wedlock, and you just called the mothers of 84% of the women you see there brainless.[/QUOTE]Having a child outside of wedlock and being a single mother are 2 different things. One can be a mother and have a child outside of wedlock but not be single. For example, one can have a partner.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2833084]You forgot to add your stupid signature question at the end of the post.[/QUOTE]Here is one for you: "Throughout history losers and quitters have always found a way to justify losing" - Kevin Samuels.

I didn't say it and claim it for myself. I looked it up and gave credit where credit is due like real man handles his business. Here is the reference:

[URL]https://theojellis.com/best-kevin-samuels-quotes/[/URL]

[B]Winners gonna win; Haters gonna hate; Which one are you?[/B]

[QUOTE=Sma202;2832540]I actually bumped into Miss Colombia (think it was 2018). She drove up in a black chauffeured limo in Cartagena Old City. She was having brunch at a place I was. She was a smoking hot classical statuesque beauty. A different league indeed.[/QUOTE]But if she took a shower and went to bed with you, in the morning how would she look? I bet she looks average and could very well look ugly. Fake beauty. It is scary what some women can do with makeup. I have seen some of those Youtube before and after videos that scared the shit out of me so I never want to wake up with most of the women I have sex with.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2833100]Having a child outside of wedlock and being a single mother are 2 different things. One can be a mother and have a child outside of wedlock but not be single. For example, one can have a partner.[/QUOTE]LOL. You mean like I am doing now?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2833064]So what do you call having a front row seat to watching 84% of people do something that turned out unfavorable, then decide to do the same thing yourself? A smart move?[/QUOTE]My gal's daughter was an unfavorable outcome? Wow, you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper.

She has the talent, intelligence, and skill to be a doctor, and one day when you get older, she could very well save your life. Or then again, with you, maybe she won't.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2833060]Incorrect.[/QUOTE]Only thing that is incorrect is your not knowing what an ad homimem is.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2833060] Individuals such as yourself need to be right! Please write a book telling me that I am wrong again.[/QUOTE]Actually, you got the first statement correct. And what are you here for outside of blowing your horn and bullshitting everyone?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2833060]You will find a way to make yourself feel better because you are paying for sex with beauty queens. If you need a beauty queen to stroke your ego no problem. I'm very comfortable that you think I am a loser. You are actually the one that has no idea what I am about.[/QUOTE]Wow, you are really stuck on the beauty queen thing. If you would have banged a few of them we would have never heard the end of your yapping about it. Truth is what I have seen is beauty queens work hard on their beauty and have been trained and expect to be compensated for that beauty. In that sense, they are even greedier than strippers and not satisfying to be with. Still, any guy who says they don't want to bang one for $40 like you are doing is full of shit but what else is new?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2832573]I think I had already answered your question. I don't care how you pulled it off, and I'm not interested in reading your novels. The story of your life doesn't belong here, this is a mongering / P4P forum.[/QUOTE]MB, I had to read what the dispute between you and JJBee was it. It was in one of his novels, and I passed it by.

FWIW, I actually think it belongs here but not because of the reason he said. I don't remember if you recall this, but the beauty queen fucked me and then engaged in some immature behavior.

Do you know how you said a 20 year old wants this age and a 40 year old wants this kind of a guy this age or something like that? Thing is I know now the 22 year old BQ may have been 42 when it came to so many other things but she was 12 when it came to relationships. She was in the Disney phase of white knights, unicorns, and rainbow farts. Thing is when you are dealing with a girl who expects a white knight and happily ever after, you have to coax them into letting go of those dreams, and that is hard, and I really do not like doing that. I want a woman who sees me and the help I can give her realistically instead of expecting me to behave like some white knight out of a Disney movie.

So in this case with regards to maturity, there are two kinds of women: those with the image of a male Disney hero in their mind and those realistic about men. The former can be any age even into their 40's and above, and the latter can be very young. I actually was surprised to see that the most realistic young women in the USA come from the drug culture. I guess you lose your idealism quickly in that world.

Thing is what do you know about JJBee really? This guy spends a year in Colombia getting drunk in dive bars every night, is not only penniless but gets himself into deeper and deeper debt, hangs out with people for the purpose of hitting them up for money, was led on by a cam girl, and what does he say about it? It was the greatest year of his life. Even when JJBee was in Colombia spreading Covid, he and his buddy V were spinning it in a positive way.

So JJBee can put a positive spin on anything. And he has someone 19 or whatever versus my 34 not that he is competing? Cough, cough. But you know where she is at on the Disney scale. She is in the front row of the church of rainbow farts, unicorns, and white knights, and JJBee, Mr. Positive (I repeat cough, cough) has convinced this young thing that he is her white knight and for now, it is clear that she believes it.

So you should care but not for the reasons he gives. The fun part is what happens next. Will the white knight stroke out or his knees give out to worsening arthritis, will our fair maiden wake up to reality, or will they live happily ever after? And that is where I disagree with you MB. I think we both know the ending but watching what almost certainly will be a train wreck is IMO must see tv.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2833116]Here is one for you: "Throughout history losers and quitters have always found a way to justify losing" - Kevin Samuels.

[b]I didn't say it and claim it for myself. I looked it up and gave credit where credit is due like real man handles his business[/b]. Here is the reference:

[URL]https://theojellis.com/best-kevin-samuels-quotes/[/URL]

[B]Winners gonna win; Haters gonna hate; Which one are you?[/B][/QUOTE]The ironic thing about your post is that Kevin Samuels got all of his stuff from Tommy Sotomayor, but did not give him the credit.

[URL]https://fb.watch/lCRH_tHQj6/?mibextid=Nif5oz[/URL]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2833116]"Throughout history losers and quitters have always found a way to justify losing" - Kevin Samuels.
[/QUOTE]I actually despise this attitude of calling people losers (and winners). All it demonstrates is a lack of compassion and empathy, and the egocentric thinking of oneself.

Just think about your life. You had no control of where you were born, your education, the passport you hold, your parents, your pre-adult education, your diet, your daily routine, in fact, so much of what forms your likely success in the business world (as if this is even a valid measure of personal success). And all this is before we even consider the issue of whether free will actually exists.

And don't forget for you to be a winner, there needs to be losers. So I think its the sign of an ignorant egoist to label people as losers. Much better to show some understanding and consideration.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2833368]I actually despise this attitude of calling people losers (and winners). All it demonstrates is a lack of compassion and empathy, and the egocentric thinking of oneself.

Just think about your life. You had no control of where you were born, your education, the passport you hold, your parents, your pre-adult education, your diet, your daily routine, in fact, so much of what forms your likely success in the business world (as if this is even a valid measure of personal success). And all this is before we even consider the issue of whether free will actually exists.

And don't forget for you to be a winner, there needs to be losers. So I think its the sign of an ignorant egoist to label people as losers. Much better to show some understanding and consideration.[/QUOTE]You should always try to put yourself in someone else's shoes.

To despise anything is a contradiction to your statement. What should we refer to people who are born with everything and every advantage and they piss it all away on gambling, working girls, and drugs? Is it wrong to call those people losers? What do we refer to the person who is born with nothing and no advantages at all, yet they over come every obstacle and achieve all of their goals? Is it wrong to call those people winners?

Better yet, if someone is going to design the social structure of a society, should those who make immense contributions to society receive any praise or incentive for doing so? Should those who are negligent and devious have to answer for their crimes or lack of contribution? Hmmm I wonder how long a society like that is sustainable?

From a biological perspective, humans are social animals and the instinct for a social hierarchy has always and will always exist. It is this instinct which leads us to the labels of winners and losers. It's not healthy to lose touch with the realities of the human condition.

Now trying to solve the problem of poverty and opportunity does not mean one has to deny those who have sacrificed and fought for their worth their place in society nor should it condone the sins of a selfish criminal.

I learned all of this in a very intriguing documentary. I think it was call The Highlander. I believe it starred Sean Connery if I am not mistaken. You should check it out TK.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2833278]Only thing that is incorrect is you're not knowing what an ad homimem is.[/QUOTE]Actually I do know what one is. I taught you the meaning of the expression. And when you continued to attack me by your own admission I decided to throw a few back at ya brother. I don't know what your problem is. If you are fucking beauty queens that should give you a lot of pleasure and you shouldn't wake up on the wrong side of the bed every morning and log onto ISG to take out your life frustrations on random people you don't even know.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2833278]Actually, you got the first statement correct. And what are you here for outside of blowing your horn and bullshitting everyone?[/QUOTE]This is the [B]"Stupid Shit in Medellin"[/B] forum. And you are a frequent poster here. So, look in the mirror and ask yourself the same question. You are reflecting. If you don't want to read my posts, learn how to use the tools given to use in the Forum and put me on ignore.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2833278]Wow, you are really stuck on the beauty queen thing. If you would have banged a few of them we would have never heard the end of your yapping about it. Truth is what I have seen is beauty queens work hard on their beauty and have been trained and expect to be compensated for that beauty. In that sense, they are even greedier than strippers and not satisfying to be with. Still, any guy who says they don't want to bang one for $40 like you are doing is full of shit but what else is new?[/QUOTE]Actually if you had better reading comprehension skills you would understand that I do not care who you bang. I have never paid a prostitute for sex in Colombia as of this date. Have you?

[B]Pussy is Pussy[/B]

[I]How you like me now?[/I]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2833308]The ironic thing about your post is that Kevin Samuels got all of his stuff from Tommy Sotomayor, but did not give him the credit.[/QUOTE]The ironic thing about your post is that Tommy Sotomayor in 2016 a video by Sotomayor on Twitter that declared African Americans are responsible for most violent crime in the United States. In the video, Sotomayor claimed that black Americans are a more serious threat than guns.

Now tell me [B]MrEnternational[/B] why you riding the dick of an individual like that?

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2833389]The ironic thing about your post is that Tommy Sotomayor in 2016 a video by Sotomayor on Twitter that declared African Americans are responsible for most violent crime in the United States. In the video, Sotomayor claimed that black Americans are a more serious threat than guns.

Now tell me [B]MrEnternational[/B] why you riding the dick of an individual like that?

[B]How you like me now?[/B][/QUOTE]So you say Henry Ford was the first to make a car. I say no he wasn't. I show you proof of him actually giving credit to this other guy for making a car before him. Your reply is why am I dick riding the guy that ACTUALLY DID make the first car, while not disagreeing with the fact that was presented.

So you are saying your criteria for giving credit is contingent upon whether you agree with everything someone says and they do not say anything that you do not like. Definitely belongs in the stupid shit thread.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2833368]I actually despise this attitude of calling people losers (and winners). All it demonstrates is a lack of compassion and empathy, and the egocentric thinking of oneself.
So I think its the sign of an ignorant egoist to label people as losers. Much better to show some understanding and consideration.[/QUOTE]There are winners and losers. Fact of life. There simply has to be. If not all the carnivores on the planet could not exist. They have to hunt the losers (young, old, weak, dumb). Using "Losers" is not always the best term, just faster and easier. Some winners get there by hard work and some by luck. Some losers never had a chance or were simply unlucky. The last few years the USA Has been showing compassion and all the empathy crap and the country is turning to shit because of it. Everyone gets a trophy mentality is making everyone losers with the exception of the super rich who preach it but never practice it.

Most countries consider prostitutes societal losers yet here you are using them for your carnal pleasure. Try saving them instead of preaching to us. Where is your compassion and empathy you loser?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2833397]Contrary to popular belief this is not a forum about prostitution.[/QUOTE]You missed the part where Mr. E was corrected on this same stupid statement just last week? Pay attention to all the escort ads to the left, right, top, and bottom. The site states "sex" not "relationship" or "GF", etc. Read the tag line. I will start it for you: "Money is the world's." Please show links to posts where guys have found their wives here. OK I will accept just one.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2833263]LOL. You mean like I am doing now?[/QUOTE]If you want to make it about you. But I am unsure how you could be a single mother or a mother in a relationship.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2833372]

To despise anything is a contradiction to your statement. What should we refer to people who are born with everything and every advantage and they piss it all away on gambling, working girls, and drugs? Is it wrong to call those people losers? What do we refer to the person who is born with nothing and no advantages at all, yet they over come every obstacle and achieve all of their goals? Is it wrong to call those people winners?

I learned all of this in a very intriguing documentary. I think it was call The Highlander. You should check it out TK.[/QUOTE]Mmm, not sure why you think it is a contradiction to despise an attitude. Most times the people that call others losers have no idea of the issues that the 'loser' has faced. Whilst there are a very small number of people that manage to uplift themselves in fnancial status, and an equally small number of those that lose their financial status, the vast majority of people suffer what they must. And can we really credit a person for doing well, when all the cards fell in that person's favour? And the person who fell from grace. The cards ran against them? You are assuming free will. And you are also dictating the terms of the label for what is a 'winner' and a 'loser'.

Stan Bowles. I spent most of my vast earnings on wine, women and song; the rest of it I just watsed. Is he a loser, is he a winner?

Hunter Biden. Born in to astionishing opportunity. Is known as a drug addict. Is he a loser? Most people would cut their right hand off to be in his shoes.

Donald Trump. Likewise, some claim is has lost vast fortunes and therefore is a loser. Really?

A guy that foregoes family and friends to rise from the slums - is he a winner?

And so it goes on. I don't think your analysis passes muster Ram.

Although a few people have recommend Highlander to me over the years. So thanks for the reminder to watch it!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2833488]So you say Henry Ford was the first to make a car. I say no he wasn't.[/QUOTE]I didn't say that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2833488] I show you proof of him actually giving credit to this other guy for making a car before him.[/QUOTE]Since I didn't say that I don't need your proof.

No facts were ever presented that countered the original point that I made that an individual here quoted Kevin Samuels and did not give credit. What you said is that Kevin Samuels did not give credit to someone else. But you never proved nor provided any facts that the particular quote I put up or the one that the other poster used was said by another person.

Your original post was a [I]red herring logical fallacy[/I]. Address the fact that original poster quoted something and did give credit to WHOMEVER wrote it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2833488]Definitely belongs in the stupid shit thread.[/QUOTE]Damn straight is does!

Now this was my error as I did not use precise language. If it is one thing that I have learned is that sometimes the skill sets of individuals are not up to the level I think they are when I write. What I should have written is that this is not a forum exclusively focused on prostitution. It is a big tent forum about having sex with girls.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2833521]You missed the part where Mr. E was corrected on this same stupid statement just last week? Pay attention to all the escort ads to the left, right, top, and bottom. The site states "sex" not "relationship" or "GF", etc. Read the tag line. I will start it for you: "Money is the world's." Please show links to posts where guys have found their wives here. OK I will accept just one.[/QUOTE]Since you don't seem to believe me. I have attached a screen shot addressing the purpose of this forum written by the founder. The next time you want to reply to one of my posts with stupid shit. Put it in the right forum.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2833527]Mmm, not sure why you think it is a contradiction to despise an attitude. Most times the people that call others losers have no idea of the issues that the 'loser' has faced. Whilst there are a very small number of people that manage to uplift themselves in fnancial status, and an equally small number of those that lose their financial status, the vast majority of people suffer what they must. And can we really credit a person for doing well, when all the cards fell in that person's favour? And the person who fell from grace. The cards ran against them? You are assuming free will. And you are also dictating the terms of the label for what is a 'winner' and a 'loser'.

Stan Bowles. I spent most of my vast earnings on wine, women and song; the rest of it I just watsed. Is he a loser, is he a winner?

Hunter Biden. Born in to astionishing opportunity. Is known as a drug addict. Is he a loser? Most people would cut their right hand off to be in his shoes.

Donald Trump. Likewise, some claim is has lost vast fortunes and therefore is a loser. Really?
[/QUOTE]A bit deep for a website about screwing working girls. Jajaja.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2833527]Mmm, not sure why you think it is a contradiction to despise an attitude. Most times the people that call others losers have no idea of the issues that the 'loser' has faced. Whilst there are a very small number of people that manage to uplift themselves in fnancial status, and an equally small number of those that lose their financial status, the vast majority of people suffer what they must. And can we really credit a person for doing well, when all the cards fell in that person's favour? And the person who fell from grace. The cards ran against them? You are assuming free will. And you are also dictating the terms of the label for what is a 'winner' and a 'loser'.

Stan Bowles. I spent most of my vast earnings on wine, women and song; the rest of it I just watsed. Is he a loser, is he a winner?

Hunter Biden. Born in to astionishing opportunity. Is known as a drug addict. Is he a loser? Most people would cut their right hand off to be in his shoes.

Donald Trump. Likewise, some claim is has lost vast fortunes and therefore is a loser. Really?[/QUOTE]Do you forego the belief in heroes and villains as well? Hitler? M. Ali?

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2833517]The last few years the USA Has been showing compassion and all the empathy crap and the country is turning to shit because of it. Everyone gets a trophy mentality is making everyone losers with the exception of the super rich who preach it but never practice it.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of John Calhoun's mouse utopia. They had everything they could ever want and the place went to shit with all of them eventually dying off.

"An endless supply of food, water, and other resources were still there for the mice, but it didn't matter. The behavior sink had set in, and there was no stopping Universe 25 from careening to its self-made demise. Soon enough, there was not a single living mouse left in the enclosure."

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2833517]There are winners and losers... The last few years the USA Has been showing compassion and all the empathy crap and the country is turning to shit because of it. Everyone gets a trophy mentality is making everyone losers with the exception of the super rich who preach it but never practice it.

Most countries consider prostitutes societal losers yet here you are using them for your carnal pleasure. Try saving them instead of preaching to us. Where is your compassion and empathy you loser?[/QUOTE]Sure, there are winners and losers in a literal sense, for example in a sports competition. But here we are talking about a smear - "I am better than you / him / her. " Examples: "your GF got pregnant to some loser from the barrio" (as if being from a barrio defines you as a loser). "I tihink I have a better looking GF than you, you losers" (as if not have a GF that the writer thinks is as good looking as his GF, is a loser). BUt generally it is used to mean one is better than the other for some subjective reason.

The USA has not succumbed to to "compassion and all the empathy crap". Far from it and qiute the opposite in fact. The high taxes do not signify a social democracy. In the case of the USA its a steal, a robbery, an upward transfer of wealth from the lower and middle classes direct to the super wealthy ruling elites. If it were a social democracy, the USA would not have high taxes and decaying infrastcruture, poor state eduction, almost non-existent public health, and miserly state benefits. It is a corrupt plutocracy, where the people are brainwashed in to thinking they are winners. You response shows me that you are victim of that propaganda.

"prostitutes societal losers" - its not how I view them. I will not save them bcos I do not view them as needing to be saved. They provide a good service and I pay them for that. Just like my maid and my car mechanic.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2833575]It is a corrupt plutocracy, where the people are brainwashed in to thinking they are winners. You response shows me that you are victim of that propaganda.

"prostitutes societal losers" - its not how I view them. I will not save them bcos I do not view them as needing to be saved. They provide a good service and I pay them for that. Just like my maid and my car mechanic.[/QUOTE]If it was a tennis match: Game to Mr. JustTK. That would make Mr. LIT the loser. LOL!

[QUOTE=JustTK;2833525]If you want to make it about you. But I am unsure how you could be a single mother or a mother in a relationship.[/QUOTE]TK, we are on the same page. You said a single mother can have a partner, and that is what I am.

Mr. E has a twisted view of children and marriage after his own. The whole notion a single woman is dumb for having a child (unless the father died) is typical for him. He is breaking down a very complex issue, a woman's decision to have a child or not, into one that is black and white.

He described a twisted relationship with his ex-wife and children and IMO because of that, when he speaks on these subjects, logic goes off the deep end.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2833587]TK, we are on the same page. You said a single mother can have a partner, and that is what I am.

Mr. E has a twisted view of children and marriage after his own. The whole notion a single woman is dumb for having a child (unless the father died) is typical for him. He is breaking down a very complex issue, a woman's decision to have a child or not, into one that is black and white.

He described a twisted relationship with his ex-wife and children and IMO because of that, when he speaks on these subjects, logic goes off the deep end.[/QUOTE]Elvis these guys hate everything, unless it is free and if it requires hard work they are totally against it.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2833299]MB, I had to read what the dispute between you and JJBee was it. It was in one of his novels, and I passed it by.

FWIW, I actually think it belongs here but not because of the reason he said. I don't remember if you recall this, but the beauty queen fucked me and then engaged in some immature behavior.

Do you know how you said a 20 year old wants this age and a 40 year old wants this kind of a guy this age or something like that? Thing is I know now the 22 year old BQ may have been 42 when it came to so many other things but she was 12 when it came to relationships. She was in the Disney phase of white knights, unicorns, and rainbow farts. Thing is when you are dealing with a girl who expects a white knight and happily ever after, you have to coax them into letting go of those dreams, and that is hard, and I really do not like doing that. I want a woman who sees me and the help I can give her realistically instead of expecting me to behave like some white knight out of a Disney movie.

So in this case with regards to maturity, there are two kinds of women: those with the image of a male Disney hero in their mind and those realistic about men. The former can be any age even into their 40's and above, and the latter can be very young. I actually was surprised to see that the most realistic young women in the USA come from the drug culture. I guess you lose your idealism quickly in that world.

Thing is what do you know about JJBee really? This guy spends a year in Colombia getting drunk in dive bars every night, is not only penniless but gets himself into deeper and deeper debt, hangs out with people for the purpose of hitting them up for money, was led on by a cam girl, and what does he say about it? It was the greatest year of his life. Even when JJBee was in Colombia spreading Covid, he and his buddy V were spinning it in a positive way.

So JJBee can put a positive spin on anything. And he has someone 19 or whatever versus my 34 not that he is competing? Cough, cough. But you know where she is at on the Disney scale. She is in the front row of the church of rainbow farts, unicorns, and white knights, and JJBee, Mr. Positive (I repeat cough, cough) has convinced this young thing that he is her white knight and for now, it is clear that she believes it.

So you should care but not for the reasons he gives. The fun part is what happens next. Will the white knight stroke out or his knees give out to worsening arthritis, will our fair maiden wake up to reality, or will they live happily ever after? And that is where I disagree with you MB. I think we both know the ending but watching what almost certainly will be a train wreck is IMO must see tv.[/QUOTE]I don't think we are in disagreement, Elvis. I'm not sure how he fits the Disney hero / white knight image, but I'm sure their so called "relationship" won't last long. If my memory serves me well, they have had brake ups in the past. She is too young and immature, he is too old for her and beat up by life, they can't have a meaningful relationship just because they both listen to Carol G or love ice cream, or whatever small things they have in common.

A 34 yo old mature woman, with a kid, education and career can't be compared to a 19 yo who literally is just starting out her adult life, if we are talking about a relationship. The former is a wife material, while the latter is a sex toy one uses to satisfy his sexual needs for money.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2830069]I think it is funny a hypocritical [b]loser[/b] like you claims to eschew ad hominems and that is all you fucking do.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2830069]And by all means, tune out the [b]losers[/b] like yourself who say it cannot be done and pussy is pussy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2828351]Those two statements show you to be a [b]loser[/b] that Mr. E has not just beaten but beaten to a pulp. Still, you are so busy arguing to argue, you don't even see how dumb you are being.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2825778]]Rice Rocket, Sang, Don Carlos, and I have hit the ball out of the park and instead of asking how we have done it, all you fucking [b]losers[/b] do is accuse us of being liars.[/QUOTE]All of the quotes listed have been written in reply to posts I have made in this particular thread. I am being defined as a loser based on a personal definition that the writer has and he is consistently using the word incorrectly.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2833372]You should always try to put yourself in someone else's shoes.[/QUOTE]I can agree with your statement in principle but with someone like Elvis 2008 I wouldn't want to put myself in his shoes. An angry man attacking everyone who does not think or do what he does. Very narrow minded view of the world in my opinion. But when you think like a hammer as he does then everything appears to be a nail. Hard to believe I share a state in the (Dis) United States of America with him.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2833372]From a biological perspective, humans are social animals and the instinct for a social hierarchy has always and will always exist. It is this instinct which leads us to the labels of winners and losers. It's not healthy to lose touch with the realities of the human condition.[/QUOTE]And therein lies the rub. You are dead on point. But Elvis 2008 uses the word loser (and he does not use it just with me. He is an equal opportunity attacker of all who do not think like he does) improperly. According to him everyone who is not fucking Beauty Queens is a loser. Never mind if you are fucking and your dick is happy with who you are fucking.

[B]Loser[/B] - [I]a person or thing that loses or has lost something, especially a game or contest.[/I].

I don't know about you, but for me I have been a loser on the sport field. You know games and when play a game I don't like to lose. But life is not a game, but it can be a contest. And it can get deadly. Depending upon the contest you have entered. And for those who have agreed to step into the line of fire at some point in their lives and lived to tell about it knows that "[I]It pays to be a winner[/I]".

We are in the forum to share information about having sex with girls. There is no contest. If you fuck you are a winner. Let me say that again: [B]If you fuck you are a winner![/B] Because [B]Pussy is Pussy![/B] People can argue with me until "my goats come home". But anyone who is not obsessed with dicks of other people knows that the pleasure received from a girl who lets you have access to their mouth, pussy or ass is received in private (unless you are into doing that with people watching). And when she gives you an orgasm, the dopamine hit you experience is yours and yours alone. And may I ask, who does not enjoy busting a nut? For me it does not matter the numerical ranking that some other man wishes to put on her, nor does it matter how much I paid or did not pay her. That nut is the best nut I ever busted. At least until I bust my next one.

I have been in airports and seen greetings. Especially between military personal and their loved ones waiting for their return. Those are joyful occasions that light up the entire area and cause smiles to everyone. Not a single moment of jealousy. Who in the fuck is so self involved that they think other people are looking at them in the airport in their moment of being greeted that others are jealous of them? That is an exercise I leave to my many readers. All through that airport many of those greetings are occurring at all levels of PDA based on the personalities of the individuals involved. Some of you guys posting up in here calling people losers and stupid and dumb need to do some deep self evaluation and figure out why they are so angry with themselves and others.

[B]Loser[/B] - [I]a person or thing that loses or has lost something, especially a game or contest.[/I].

Those who use the world incorrectly, lose the meaning of it. They have so much self loathing and hate that they use it to strike out at others instead using in the context of its proper meaning. After you win, you do not call your opponent a loser. You shake the hand of your opponent and you thank him for the competition. Because the willingness to step into the arena and compete has made you both better men. I look at a Tennis final. And you see at the end the difference in the Trophy's handed out. The difference in the amount of money awarded. And you can see that it pays to be a winner. But is the other person really a loser?

Sex is not a competition. Especially recreational sex. You make the argument that if your are trying to improve your family at the DNA level that is important. I'm not trying to do that at this point in my life. I've done it already. I'm trying to keep my legacy alive so they can further the achievements I have already made in this world. So I don't have to call anyone a loser, stupid or dumb to feel better about myself. I am not in competition for pussy with anyone posing here on ISG nor with any man or lesbian seeking it out in the entire world. I got friends that hook me up with mother fucking pussy! Compete. If your friends are not hooking you up with pussy, you mother fuckers need to get some friends like I got. Cause when I fuck, all my friends going to fuck. And when they fuck, all their friends fuck. It is not my girl. It is only my time. And I am here to say that when anyone posing in this thread busts a nut. The are a winner!

[B]Pussy is Pussy[/B]

[I]How you like me now?[/I]

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2833521]You missed the part where Mr. E was corrected on this same stupid statement just last week? Pay attention to all the escort ads to the left, right, top, and bottom. The site states "sex" not "relationship" or "GF", etc. Read the tag line. I will start it for you: "Money is the world's." Please show links to posts where guys have found their wives here. OK I will accept just one.[/QUOTE]So Facebook is a site about Errctile Dysfunction, Scuba and outdoor gear? Those are the ads I see there.

This is an adult oriented website, which is a shrinking niche market. Adult services advertise here because they're more likely to find potential customers. If you look, somewhere near most major US airports you'll find a strip club. Are airports about naked girls giving lap dances? No. But the strip club owners know a lot of business travelers might have a pocket full of cash and a few hours to kill. Here are thousands of pre-qualified potential customers. They travel internationally and they want to get laid.

People have been talking about non-pros for as long as ISG has existed. Frequently people talk about getting free sex. LatinaLover just wrote that he's found himself a wife here. Slapshot wrote extensively about his girlfriend and their adventures during the pandemic. Every few weeks someone is asking about meeting regular girls to date.

While most here are just looking for quick, affordable sex, many are also interested in moving beyond the prostitutes.

"Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac".

Open your mind. There are many ways to use money to get sex. However, for straight P4 P, it's not much of an aphrodisiac. The girl doesn't necessarily want to spend time with you. She wants to spend time with your money. Her good time begins when your good time ends and you hand her the cash.

However, put on good clothes, drive a nice car, spend money in nice places and you'll find women who are excited to be with you. Some are playing the long game, others are looking for the quick thrills, exotic trips, shopping sprees, expensive meals.

As soon as you leave the airport in Colombia, you become more attractive to almost all women. Even though your income may be modest, it's still riches to them. Now it's truly an aphrodisiac. Instead of ordering burgers at McDonald's, someone wants to cook for you.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2833642]I don't think we are in disagreement, Elvis.[/QUOTE]No, we are not. Only difference is I want to hear about the relationship, and you, and I totally get why, do not.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2833642]I'm not sure how he fits the Disney hero / white knight image, but I'm sure their so called "relationship" won't last long.[/QUOTE]If she is even a middle class woman in Colombia being treated to vacations and nice restaurants, you can imagine how special she is going to feel especially at her age when she is doing that and her peers are not. Eventually though as a guy, you run out of magic tricks and the girl is going to look at who you really are, and in this case an old man. Other thing is the guy is going to be fed up as his tricks do not work as well on her and wants to move onto someone new.

You know the talk about the crazier they are, the better they are in bed? Well, there is a basis to that. I do not know this woman at all, but given JJBee's ego, he is a sucker for a borderline. [URL]https://www.verywellmind.com/devaluation-and-idealization-in-bpd-425291[/URL].

Idealization reduces anxiety by protecting the person from emotional conflicts that might emerge in a relationship.

Rather than deal with the fear that the other person isn't perfect or that the relationship might not work out, idealization allows them to keep the fantasy of perfection intact.

It's common with borderline personality disorder for a person to idealize a friend, family member, or loved one. End of link.

The catch phrase for borderlines is I love you, I hate you, do not leave me. You have never been loved like when a borderline loves you, and you feel like a white knight but when it turns to hate, you will be in the darkest hole you have ever been in. Thing is borderlines are usually really attractive and very giving in bed. They are the trickiest to spot because they not only will pass all your red flag tests but those of your friends and family. I do not know if this chick is borderline but like 6% of the population is.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2833642]If my memory serves me well, they have had brake ups in the past.[/QUOTE]And you would expect that with a borderline too. You leave them, which kills them emotionally, and then they go back to the idealization and love to get you back. Then even the most innocent thing triggers them and they go back to hate mode.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2833642]She is too young and immature, he is too old for her and beat up by life, they can't have a meaningful relationship just because they both listen to Carol G or love ice cream, or whatever small things they have in common.A 34 yo old mature woman, with a kid, education and career can't be compared to a 19 yo who literally is just starting out her adult life, if we are talking about a relationship. The former is a wife material, while the latter is a sex toy one uses to satisfy his sexual needs for money.
[/QUOTE]The first time I met my gal's daughter I liked her and vice versa. My gal goes to the bathroom, and I ask the daughter, "How many of your mother's boyfriends have you met?" She said, "Just you. " That is when the light bulb went off and I was like, "Okay, now, I get why she likes and wants me. " What we have most in common is giving the best life for her daughter.

So a 25 year old who has a 9 year old kid working since age 16 is going to be attracted to a man who can help her out of her rough life. OTOH, I have met Colombian women in their mid 20's who have not dated much and live at home. I would have a much better shot at the former than the latter especially if the single mother had a great looking BF who was the kid's father and turned out to be a no good bum. That single mother is done with the irresponsible young pretty boys. With them, it is how can you help me with my kid and their future?

I know on the market value scale women without kids trump those with them, and I get why. Thing is I like women as nurturers and can usually tell just by how a woman touches me if she is a mother or not. And some of the best looking women I have met are single moms, so it is not quite the negative for me it has been with other guys.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2833299]MB, I had to read what the dispute between you and JJBee was it. It was in one of his novels, and I passed it by.

FWIW, I actually think it belongs here but not because of the reason he said. I don't remember if you recall this, but the beauty queen fucked me and then engaged in some immature behavior.

Do you know how you said a 20 year old wants this age and a 40 year old wants this kind of a guy this age or something like that? Thing is I know now the 22 year old BQ may have been 42 when it came to so many other things but she was 12 when it came to relationships. She was in the Disney phase of white knights, unicorns, and rainbow farts. Thing is when you are dealing with a girl who expects a white knight and happily ever after, you have to coax them into letting go of those dreams, and that is hard, and I really do not like doing that. I want a woman who sees me and the help I can give her realistically instead of expecting me to behave like some white knight out of a Disney movie.[/QUOTE]In the land of unwarranted assumptions you could be king.

[QUOTE]So in this case with regards to maturity, there are two kinds of women: those with the image of a male Disney hero in their mind and those realistic about men. The former can be any age even into their 40's and above, and the latter can be very young. I actually was surprised to see that the most realistic young women in the USA come from the drug culture. I guess you lose your idealism quickly in that world.[/QUOTE]In every regard, there are more than 2 types of women. I'll give you some examples.

1. A girl who has a kid at 16, leaves the kid with her mother, continues to party, keeps having kids, keeps partying.

2. A girl who has a kid at 16, settles down and starts building a life for her child.

3. A girl who gets pregnant at 16 and terminates the pregnancy because she knows she can't handle the responsibility and provide a nurturing home for the baby.

4. A girl who gets pregnant at 16 and tries to trap the father into marriage.

5. A girl who gets pregnant at 16 and terminates the pregnancy because she doesn't want a child holding her back.

That's just on 1 subject, 5 different levels of maturity. Change ages, change situations and it's immediately obvious there are many different levels of maturity.

[QUOTE]Thing is what do you know about JJBee really? This guy spends a year in Colombia getting drunk in dive bars every night, is not only penniless but gets himself into deeper and deeper debt, hangs out with people for the purpose of hitting them up for money, was led on by a cam girl, and what does he say about it? It was the greatest year of his life. Even when JJBee was in Colombia spreading Covid, he and his buddy V were spinning it in a positive way.[/QUOTE]You're asking MB what he knows about me and then demonstrating that you know even less. To clarify, MB knows nothing about me. However, everything you know about me is completely wrong. You did get 1 thing right, I spent a year in Colombia. Now for what you got wrong.

1. Getting drunk in dive bars every night. I can give you partial credit on that one, but it requires an alternate definition. During that year, I got drunk 3 times, once in the "dive" bar, once in one of the clubs in Parque Lleras and once in my apartment. I did spend many nights in the "dive" bar, often ate a burger and had 2 or 3 beers. The "dive" bar was talked about quite a bit here and many ISG members went there. It was located just west of Calle 10,2 blocks away from Parque Lleras. The owner is an avid diver, so if you want, you can call it a "dive bar. ".

2. Is not only penniless, but gets himself into deeper and deeper debt. After the year I was penniless. I went in debt returning to the US and getting back on my feet. The debt was quickly paid off and 5 years later I'm in the best place financially I've ever been.

3. Hangs out with people for the purpose of hitting them up for money. There's absolutely no truth in that. There's not a single person who can claim I hit them up for money. Even my brother, who gave me the loan to get me going again can't make that claim. When he learned I was struggling he reached out and made an offer. Of all the lies you've made up about me, that may be the most egregious fabrication of them all.

4. Was led on by a cam girl. I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. Her boyfriend had grand ideas about forming a webcam studio. He asked me to be a part of it. His plans never came to be.

5. It was the greatest year of his life. Wrong again. "Greatest " goes completely against my philosophy. Every year of my life has been a great year. That will continue until it ends. However, it was a great experience. I built friendships and got to learn more about the culture. I ate well, exercised daily and explored a fascinating city, all while improving my Spanish and fucking as much as I wanted. When it ended I had the challenge of climbing back up. That's one of life's true pleasures and you'll never experience it.

6. Even when JJBee was in Colombia spreading Covid. Not much amazed me before you landed on ISG. Since then you've amazed me many times. Mostly I'm amazed by how often you contradict yourself. You spent months arguing vehemently that Covid was no worse than the flu. You insisted, even declared "I'll take the under on that bet any time", that US Covid deaths would never exceed 80,000. As soon as I made the bet, you went silent and wouldn't acknowledge anything until weeks later when you tucked tail and ran saying you never accepted the bet. You argued against masks and social distancing and any attempt to restrict travel or isolate infected people. Then, when I discovered I had Covid in Colombia, getting my required test to return home, suddenly it became a conspiracy. According to you, I had known before my trip, and, in your words, had infected all of South America. Yet, as with everything else, it's just more EMUS (Elvis Made Up Shit). One person who I was in contact with got sick. Nobody else in her house got sick. She recovered quickly with only mild symptoms.

Had I known I had Covid before my trip I would have canceled. Period. Even if I decided to travel infected, I would have gotten a test upon arrival, so I didn't have the extra expense of spending 2 more weeks in an expensive hotel. And if I didn't care about infecting other, I wouldn't have quarantined.

[QUOTE]So JJBee can put a positive spin on anything. And he has someone 19 or whatever versus my 34 not that he is competing? Cough, cough. But you know where she is at on the Disney scale. She is in the front row of the church of rainbow farts, unicorns, and white knights, and JJBee, Mr. Positive (I repeat cough, cough) has convinced this young thing that he is her white knight and for now, it is clear that she believes it.[/QUOTE]Competing? With you? For what? Is there some special prize? How could a middle-aged Colombian woman with a kid be something I want to compete with? I try to avoid any women with kids to begin with. I have no interest whatsoever in paying for someone else's inability to comprehend the human reproduction process. To make it worse, by 34, many Colombianas are already grandmothers. That's way too much baggage.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm nobody's white knight. The only thing that's clear is your head. It's obviously clear up your ass. You've once again demonstrated you know nothing about me. Correction. You know less than nothing about me because almost everything you think you know is false. You know just as much about her.

[QUOTE]So you should care but not for the reasons he gives. The fun part is what happens next. Will the white knight stroke out or his knees give out to worsening arthritis, will our fair maiden wake up to reality, or will they live happily ever after? And that is where I disagree with you MB. I think we both know the ending but watching what almost certainly will be a train wreck is IMO must see tv.[/QUOTE]Stroke out? Worsening arthritis? I see you are pretending to be a doctor again. You might want to take a look in the mirror. Then again, probably not.

Happily ever after? Now it's fairy tale? Like with the Venezuelan princess? The fair maiden gets taken to the castle of her dreams in Peru and the white knight even brings her parents. Then the fair maiden starts fucking the stablehand and locks the knight out of the castle. So, the knight comes to the round table crying and gets ridiculed. Is that the type of fairy tale you're talking about?

For me, it lasts as long as it lasts. No train wreck needed. Although it is fun watching the dumpster fire of your logic.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2833642]I don't think we are in disagreement, Elvis. I'm not sure how he fits the Disney hero / white knight image, but I'm sure their so called "relationship" won't last long. If my memory serves me well, they have had brake ups in the past. She is too young and immature, he is too old for her and beat up by life, they can't have a meaningful relationship just because they both listen to Carol G or love ice cream, or whatever small things they have in common.

A 34 yo old mature woman, with a kid, education and career can't be compared to a 19 yo who literally is just starting out her adult life, if we are talking about a relationship. The former is a wife material, while the latter is a sex toy one uses to satisfy his sexual needs for money.[/QUOTE]See? You lied. You said it didn't matter to you at all, but here you are again, like you've been for the last 3 months, talking my relationship, speculating, making up fantasies about it. Which means you still haven't answered the question:

Why is my relationship so important to you?

You can't say it's not important. Something that's not important isn't something you write about every day. Something that's not important isn't something you talk about with others at every opportunity. Just answer the question. Why?

What's your definition of "won't last long?" It's already been 15 months since we made it a sexual relationship and 2 years since we moved it beyond Platonic.

How do you know her maturity level? I understand you won't be able to answer this question either. I'm going to ask more, you won't answer them. How do you know I'm beat up by life? According to Elvis, I put a positive spin on everything. That hardly sounds like someone beat up by life.

I'm not going to dig it up, but I wrote a long post about our shared common interests. Just like everything else I've rebutted, you run away and then try something different. You spent months declaring the relationship was impossible and couldn't exist, now you're declaring it's a relationship that won't last long, when it already has.

Have you had a TBI? Traumatic Brain Injury? Short term memory loss can be a lifelong problem after a TBI.

I'm asking because you just decided that it's wrong to talk about girlfriends and relationships on ISG and now you're comparing 2 different relationships and deciding it's okay to talk about 1 of them.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2833641]Elvis these guys hate everything, unless it is free and if it requires hard work they are totally against it.[/QUOTE]So now paying $500/ month for a chick's rent is considered hard work. What hard work did he do that was not picking up the tab? But for the money he would not have the girl.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2833789]In the land of unwarranted assumptions you could be king.

In every regard, there are more than 2 types of women. I'll give you some examples.

1. A girl who has a kid at 16, leaves the kid with her mother, continues to party, keeps having kids, keeps partying.

2. A girl who has a kid at 16, settles down and starts building a life for her child.

3. A girl who gets pregnant at 16 and terminates the pregnancy because she knows she can't handle the responsibility and provide a nurturing home for the baby.

4. A girl who gets pregnant at 16 and tries to trap the father into marriage.

5. A girl who gets pregnant at 16 and terminates the pregnancy because she doesn't want a child holding her back. That's just on 1 subject, 5 different levels of maturity. Change ages, change situations and it's immediately obvious there are many different levels of maturity.[/QUOTE]Feel better? All we need is subcommander to come up with ten more.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2833789]However, everything you know about me is completely wrong. You did get 1 thing right, I spent a year in Colombia. Now for what you got wrong.

1. Getting drunk in dive bars every night. I can give you partial credit on that one, but it requires an alternate definition. During that year, I got drunk 3 times, once in the "dive" bar, once in one of the clubs in Parque Lleras and once in my apartment. I did spend many nights in the "dive" bar, often ate a burger and had 2 or 3 beers. The "dive" bar was talked about quite a bit here and many ISG members went there. It was located just west of Calle 10,2 blocks away from Parque Lleras. The owner is an avid diver, so if you want, you can call it a "dive bar. ".

2. Is not only penniless, but gets himself into deeper and deeper debt. After the year I was penniless. I went in debt returning to the US and getting back on my feet. The debt was quickly paid off and 5 years later I'm in the best place financially I've ever been.

3. Hangs out with people for the purpose of hitting them up for money. There's absolutely no truth in that. There's not a single person who can claim I hit them up for money. Even my brother, who gave me the loan to get me going again can't make that claim. When he learned I was struggling he reached out and made an offer. Of all the lies you've made up about me, that may be the most egregious fabrication of them all.

4. Was led on by a cam girl. I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean. Her boyfriend had grand ideas about forming a webcam studio. He asked me to be a part of it. His plans never came to be.

5. It was the greatest year of his life. Wrong again. "Greatest " goes completely against my philosophy. Every year of my life has been a great year. That will continue until it ends. However, it was a great experience. I built friendships and got to learn more about the culture. I ate well, exercised daily and explored a fascinating city, all while improving my Spanish and fucking as much as I wanted. When it ended I had the challenge of climbing back up. That's one of life's true pleasures and you'll never experience it.

6. Even when JJBee was in Colombia spreading Covid. Not much amazed me before you landed on ISG. Since then you've amazed me many times. Mostly I'm amazed by how often you contradict yourself. You spent months arguing vehemently that Covid was no worse than the flu. You insisted, even declared "I'll take the under on that bet any time", that US Covid deaths would never exceed 80,000. As soon as I made the bet, you went silent and wouldn't acknowledge anything until weeks later when you tucked tail and ran saying you never accepted the bet. You argued against masks and social distancing and any attempt to restrict travel or isolate infected people. Then, when I discovered I had Covid in Colombia, getting my required test to return home, suddenly it became a conspiracy. According to you, I had known before my trip, and, in your words, had infected all of South America. Yet, as with everything else, it's just more EMUS (Elvis Made Up Shit). One person who I was in contact with got sick. Nobody else in her house got sick. She recovered quickly with only mild symptoms.[/QUOTE]Paulie said you hit people up for money to get hot water, and you admitted having no hot water. I believe him and not you. This whole War and Peace novel and you did not refute anything but that.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2833789]Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm nobody's white knight. The only thing that's clear is your head. It's obviously clear up your ass. You've once again demonstrated you know nothing about me. Correction. You know less than nothing about me because almost everything you think you know is false. You know just as much about her.[/QUOTE]LOL. What did I say I knew about you birdbrain? Let me help you. It was this:

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2833789]"Greatest " goes completely against my philosophy. Every year of my life has been a great year. That will continue until it ends.[/QUOTE]You are actually agreeing with me which may be the funniest thing of all.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2833817]So now paying $500/ month for a chick's rent is considered hard work. What hard work did he do that was not picking up the tab? But for the money he would not have the girl.[/QUOTE]SMH. Paulie actually had a great line on the typical ISGer lazily living off of others, and here Mr. E is doing the same thing. What you and I do, actually working for a living, is actually a foreign concept for so many of the ISGers like him. It really is sad. Don't you just wish we could make some of our tax contributions to these lazy assholes voluntary?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2833795]See? You lied. You said it didn't matter to you at all, but here you are again, like you've been for the last 3 months, talking my relationship, speculating, making up fantasies about it. Which means you still haven't answered the question:

Why is my relationship so important to you?

You can't say it's not important. Something that's not important isn't something you write about every day. Something that's not important isn't something you talk about with others at every opportunity. Just answer the question. Why?

What's your definition of "won't last long?" It's already been 15 months since we made it a sexual relationship and 2 years since we moved it beyond Platonic.

How do you know her maturity level? I understand you won't be able to answer this question either. I'm going to ask more, you won't answer them. How do you know I'm beat up by life? According to Elvis, I put a positive spin on everything. That hardly sounds like someone beat up by life.

I'm not going to dig it up, but I wrote a long post about our shared common interests. Just like everything else I've rebutted, you run away and then try something different. You spent months declaring the relationship was impossible and couldn't exist, now you're declaring it's a relationship that won't last long, when it already has.

Have you had a TBI? Traumatic Brain Injury? Short term memory loss can be a lifelong problem after a TBI.

I'm asking because you just decided that it's wrong to talk about girlfriends and relationships on ISG and now you're comparing 2 different relationships and deciding it's okay to talk about 1 of them.[/QUOTE]How do I know her maturity level? Thats easy. She is 20 years old, no kids, no completed college education, probably has no job or very little work experience, no prior relationships (if she had any before she turned 18, I don't count them, because she was a kid).

Why is your relationship so important to me? It is not, simply because I don't know you or her in person, and if you die tomorrow, or if your relationship goes south, I would not care. You post your novels here, and me and other members comment on them. I have said this before, stop posting your personal stuff and you won't get any comments. If you want attention, post your shit on some dating site, or write a fucking book.

How do I know you are beat up by life? Well, if a single man is in debt at the age of 57 and shares an apartment in Colombia with a cam model, something is fucked up about his life.

All I know about you and your relationship comes from your numerous novels posted here, not more, not less. BTW, I don't support anyone, including Elvis (and he knows this), and your buddy SubWay in posting dating stuff on ISG, because such information is irrelevant to other mongers.

[QUOTE=CasaNoVa;2830867]I don't mind reports of nonpros / girlfriend experiences mixed in with mongering info. Since I speak Spanish I plan to mix in real dating one I can set up shop for months at a time in the near future. For my two cents on the topic of the sites purpose the very top of the page under its title ISG. "Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac." Have fun y'all![/QUOTE]You have it right and the others have it wrong. It is a big tent forum about having sex with girls. And if the the Mboy posting here that does not like the information about non-pros / girlfriend experiences then he can put me on ignore and stop having apoplectic fits when people are doing what he can't.

Girlfriends and non-pros cost more than money. They cost time, energy and emotional involvement. I don't know about any one else, but my time is the most valuable asset I have. Mongering information is good. I don't always want to fuck my girlfriend. But I rarely have real intimacy with prostitutes. So, I don't know why mongers feel threatened by non-pro and girlfriend posts unless those post trigger a deep feeling of regret of the unfulfilled hole they have in their life.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2833914]BTW, I don't support anyone, including Elvis (and he knows this), and your buddy SubWay in posting dating stuff on ISG, because such information is irrelevant to other mongers.[/QUOTE]Hey MBoy the forum is about "sharing information on having sex with women. " Here is a news flash for you, the founder could care less what you support. If you feel so strongly about this issue ask the Administrator to create a thread about dating and non-pros. Then you can simply avoid these posts by not reading the thread. Alternatively you can put posters who you do not support on ignore and avoid it that way also. LOL!

Let me ask a question in general. Do you think that the majority of men only get sex from prostitutes?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2832517]27 yo. Time to sell!

30 yo - 50% off.

Over 35 yo. Clearance (up to 70% off).

40 yo. Outlet.

50 yo. Goodwill / Salvation Army.[/QUOTE]You do realize that this quote you plagiarized was from a [B]DATING COACH[/B] not a monger coach.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2833084]You forgot to add your stupid signature question at the end of the post.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the reminder.

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2833795]What's your definition of "won't last long?" It's already been 15 months since we made it a sexual relationship and 2 years since we moved it beyond Platonic.[/QUOTE]You already had one train wreck with her. You broke up with her, said it was your choice, and I laughed. She was like a sack of potatoes you could not decide to keep or return, and you were footing the bill on her and then tried to deny it.

I can tell how well your "relationship" is going because when it is not your jealous ass gets all pissy like you are doing now.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2833795]How do you know I'm beat up by life? According to Elvis, I put a positive spin on everything. That hardly sounds like someone beat up by life.[/QUOTE]And now I am an expert on you? I thought I did not know shit about you. LOL.

Actually I do. Narcissists also believe that they're better than everyone else and expect recognition as sucheven when they've done nothing to earn it. They will often exaggerate or outright lie about their achievements and talents. And when they talk about work or relationships, all you'll hear is how much they contribute, how great they are, and how lucky the people in their lives are to have them. They are the undisputed star and everyone else is at best a bit player.

What cracks me up about this is you break up with your chick and everything is fine. I have a painful breakup with the Venezuelan and I am the biggest loser going. Hell, you made hitting rock bottom and spreading Covid sound glamorous.

The difference is you do not learn anything. The year the Venezuelan and I were done was 2019 and it sucked. It was one of the worst years of my life, but once I learned what I was supposed to, I bounced back and from the winter of 2020 until the end of the summer of 2021, I had the most fun I had in decades. The last few years have been smooth and happy and on cruise control, but they were not epic.

With you, every year is epic. You never learn anything and that is why you are an underachiever. You think you are the smartest person in every room, and that is fatal when denial in relationships is so common. I always get outside opinions because what is so opaque to me is crystal clear with others. A complete stranger can tell better than you can if a girl is really into you. Well not you, you would think you are smarter than the complete stranger.

And here is what I know and what MB alluded to. I personally overestimated the emotional immaturity of Colombian women. My gal has to constantly remind me that her 14 year old daughter is a baby. She is so mature and smart with so many things but a sex scene comes on TV and she cannot handle it. The uber talented 18 year old cousin's face would get beet red when a guy's name was just mentioned. The 22 year old beauty queen had no idea what a real relationship was. She was filled with preconceived notions. Even the 25 year old therapist was too immature relationship wise when in college. Now that she is out in the world and gets how hard it is to make a living, she is coming around, but she is still not there. These are all wife material type women, but they are all too immature to be in solid relationships with men.

The only other woman I met who was wife material and was really ready for a relationship was a 26 now 28 year old teacher. She had been through a painful 10 year relationship and was out working and knew how hard it was to make a living. She had been through enough adult experiences to get what a real relationship is supposed to be.

I got to know dozens of Colombian women and some were okay and others not so much, but these five are among the most impressive women I have met in my life. I doubt your woman can compare, but I know how you think. Your think your gal is better than all of them, and I do not understand.

And that is why I told MB to let you continue to talk about your relationship and to just sit back and enjoy the coming train wreck. You will run the train off a cliff and proclaim, "Yeah, I meant to do that."

[QUOTE=Turgid;2834070]How many times have guys who pay more decided to pay less after being reprimanded on ISG? My guess is never. [/QUOTE]In my opinion this Forum is about sharing information about having sex with girls. After the information is shared, no one is required to honor it.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2834070]It's a waste of time to criticize overpayers. [/QUOTE]And a violation of Man Law 101. Agreed!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2833914]How do I know her maturity level? Thats easy. She is 20 years old, no kids, no completed college education, probably has no job or very little work experience, no prior relationships (if she had any before she turned 18, I don't count them, because she was a kid).

Why is your relationship so important to me? It is not, simply because I don't know you or her in person, and if you die tomorrow, or if your relationship goes south, I would not care. You post your novels here, and me and other members comment on them. I have said this before, stop posting your personal stuff and you won't get any comments. If you want attention, post your shit on some dating site, or write a fucking book.

How do I know you are beat up by life? Well, if a single man is in debt at the age of 57 and shares an apartment in Colombia with a cam model, something is fucked up about his life.

All I know about you and your relationship comes from your numerous novels posted here, not more, not less. BTW, I don't support anyone, including Elvis (and he knows this), and your buddy SubWay in posting dating stuff on ISG, because such information is irrelevant to other mongers.[/QUOTE]Really? Those are some incredible powers of deductive reasoning. Skills like that should qualify you for the Olympics. The Special Olympics.

20 and no kids. That demonstrates either restraint, responsibility or good decision making, all signs of maturity. Are you trying to say a a5 year old girl who goes BB with any of the neighborhood boys is demonstrating maturity?

No completed college education at 20? Well you've got me there. WHT didn't you bring up that she didn't get her driver's license at 14? Let's see. 20 minus 4 years to complete college education equals 16. So because she didn't start at university 2 years before she could start at university, she's obviously immature?

In the real world, instead of the world of fantasy which seems to be your mailing address, she's in university right now. Well, not at this moment. Instead of starting immediately after high school she took a year off. This seems to be fairly common in Europe. I've met a few 18-19 German girls, 1 in Medellin, who were taking a year off to travel. After meeting dozens of people in their early 20's who had gone straight to college at 18 and partied themselves out of school, taking a year off for wanderlust seems to be a more mature choice.

No job? Very little prior work experience? So you're expecting a 20 year old to have a minimum of 5 years work experience? She had a job when we first met. I posted about it. The restaurant where she worked has been reviewed a few times, fairly recently. It has one of the best views of the city. She's working right now, literally working right at this moment. I just recently posted, in response to one of your posts (probably) that her family was opening a business. It's currently doing well.

No prior relationships, and you won't count any before 18? Do you not see the contradiction? If she had a child, unmarried, with no future, before 18, meaning some sort, however brief, of relationship, then according to you she would be more mature, but if before 18, she had a relationship and didn't have a kid you consider her less mature?

Do you practice making up stupid shit, or is it just raw, natural talent?

To further highlight the sheer stupidity in that reasoning, you just recently declared I was waiting for her to turn 18. And as I also just said, we moved beyond a platonic friendship 2 years ago, when she was 18. So your complaint is that a girl who has been in a relationship with me since she was 18, is immature because she either:

1. Didn't invent time travel in order to have multiple, long-term relationships, after turning 18 and prior to getting involved with me.

Or.

2. Hasn't had other relationships while in a relationship with me.

Care to explain that?

Why keep lying about it? I mentioned more than a year ago that I had a girlfriend. After her long stay with me in the US I mentioned some of the things she enjoyed doing to help guys who prefer to wife up on vacation. I then mentioned her again in December when writing about spending Christmas with her family. Something else useful for guys who get asked to come over for Christmas. Yet, months later you bring it up. You start insisting that it's impossible. And you've been carrying on about it ever since. You've written multiple fantasies about her, ranging from the impossibility of the relationship to your expectation of the demise of the relationship which you already declared didn't exist.

The #1 most common topic in your posts over the last 3 months has been my relationship. Yet it doesn't matter at all? Really?

[QUOTE]Well, if a single man is in debt at the age of 57 and shares an apartment in Colombia with a cam model, something is fucked up about his life.[/QUOTE]At age 57 I had zero debt. I guess we need to add math to your list. Of deficiencies. At age 55 I had zero debt. I began sharing an apartment with a webcam model a few weeks before my 55th birthday and stayed for almost 10 months, with zero debt and less than $300 per month living expenses, not counting food. And that sounds fucked up to you?

Let's put that in perspective. If 6 years ago someone told you:

"Dude, I'm going to live in Medellin for a year. My rent + utilities will only be $300 per month, and I'll be roommates with a hot Colombian webcam model, in a luxury high-rise apartment".

You would have replied "man your life sounds really fucked up?

3 weeks before my 56th birthday I was broke and started acquiring debt. Ended up with $2500 of debt at 0% interest. Paid it all off in about 6 months. Look at your credit card statements. How much debt are you carrying? What's the APR?

Of course, I'm no longer 55,56, or 57. It's weird how that changes every year. I'm now 61, I'm employed, making a comfortable living, have a lot of disposable income, am learning new things, carry minimal debt and have a hot, tight bodied, extremely low mileage, Colombian girlfriend and it's fucked up because I'm not stuck living with a wrinkled, fat, flabby, 56 year old woman and raising her grandchildren because her kids are meth addicts?

If it's all the same to you, I'll take what I haveover what you think I should have.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2833789]You spent months arguing vehemently that Covid was no worse than the flu.[/QUOTE]It turned out not to be. That is what I mean. You do not grow. You bought every line of BS you were fed.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2833789]You insisted, even declared "I'll take the under on that bet any time", that US Covid deaths would never exceed 80,000. As soon as I made the bet, you went silent and wouldn't acknowledge anything until weeks later when you tucked tail and ran saying you never accepted the bet.[/QUOTE]Again, you are so sure you are right, and you are not. If there were really one million Covid deaths, I should have seen one. What I saw were people dying with Covid. A person could be shot in the head who happened to have Covid and be called a Covid death. Furthermore, Covid caused blood clots. Were the fatal blood clots due to Covid or from another process? No one knows, but everyone with a blood clot and Covid who died was declared to have died of Covid. You are so sure you are right, but you cannot even define what a Covid death is. You are so brain dead you do not get the difference between correlation and causation. I do, and that is why I never accepted your dumb bet. You just made up I accepted and kept repeating the lie over and over, and you forget your brain dead stock market predictions were off by light years.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2833789]You argued against masks and social distancing and any attempt to restrict travel or isolate infected people.[/QUOTE]It amazes me that you still think any of that crap actually worked.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2833789]According to you, I had known before my trip, and, in your words, had infected all of South America.[/QUOTE]For someone mouthing off so much about Covid, you didn't even know you had symptoms of it in the USA. You kept saying you had no Covid symptoms and were so stupid you kept listing them. You even said you got it from your brother in the USA.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2833789]One person who I was in contact with got sick. Nobody else in her house got sick.[/QUOTE]That is not how it works dumb fuck. You have no clue how many people you infected.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2833789]Had I known I had Covid before my trip I would have canceled. Period. Even if I decided to travel infected, I would have gotten a test upon arrival, so I didn't have the extra expense of spending 2 more weeks in an expensive hotel. And if I didn't care about infecting other, I wouldn't have quarantined.[/QUOTE]You were sick before you left for Colombia and were too dumb to know what the symptoms of Covid were. You got vaccinated, thought it was nearly impossible to get Covid after that, and you got a new strain where the vaccine offered only minimal protection.

Hell, you are so dumb on Covid, you even think there was no government conspiracy on Covid when there were scores of government agencies illegally censoring social media sites with posts that went against the Covid and vaccine narrative.

Do you realize that some conspiracy theories can actually be true? LOL. Of course not.

And while your dumb ass was spreading Covid and the bullshit Covid narrative, I was having a ball and getting the best pussy in my life.

And after all that, your "Mr. Positive" narcissistic ass is STILL trying to declare victory on Covid. You lost in every way possible dumb ass, and you are too full of yourself to admit it.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2833953]Hey MBoy the forum is about "sharing information on having sex with women. " Here is a news flash for you, the founder could care less what you support. If you feel so strongly about this issue ask the Administrator to create a thread about dating and non-pros. Then you can simply avoid these posts by not reading the thread. Alternatively you can put posters who you do not support on ignore and avoid it that way also. LOL!

Let me ask a question in general. Do you think that the majority of men only get sex from prostitutes?

You do realize that this quote you plagiarized was from a [B]DATING COACH[/B] not a monger coach.

Thank you for the reminder.

[B]How you like me now?[/B][/QUOTE]Want to see something hilarious?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2833642]A 34 yo old mature woman, with a kid, education and career can't be compared to a 19 yo who literally is just starting out her adult life, if we are talking about a relationship. The former is a wife material, while the latter is a sex toy one uses to satisfy his sexual needs for money.[/QUOTE]And.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2832517]27 yo. Time to sell!

30 yo - 50% off.

Over 35 yo. Clearance (up to 70% off).

40 yo. Outlet.

50 yo. Goodwill / Salvation Army.[/QUOTE]So wife material is also 1 year away from 70% off.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2834061]Actually I do. Narcissists also believe that they're better than everyone else and expect recognition as such even when they've done nothing to earn it. They will often exaggerate or outright lie about their achievements and talents. And when they talk about work or relationships, all you'll hear is how much they contribute, how great they are, and how lucky the people in their lives are to have them. They are the undisputed star and everyone else is at best a bit player.[/QUOTE]Could you possibly have described yourself any better? I think not!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2833787]No...[/QUOTE]It would be interesting to hear from MB1 if he considers your girlfriend an elite, then we will know which side he is on. LOL.

I think often you got order of things reversed. You see a girl that you think is ugly, then the man who has sex with her would not be happy. I don't have to see the girl to know how happy the man is. We have a member who will apologize when he thinks he says things wrong. Out of respect, I don't mention him by name but I think you know who he is. This member posted a photo of a girl who he is happy with but the focus became how ugly she is and was used as an argument against him.

From your description, I think you treat your girlfriend more like a trophy. Many men are just happy without trophy but you mark them as losers. Personally, I would rather be a man without the need to have trophy to be happy.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2834093]Want to see something hilarious?

And.

So wife material is also 1 year away from 70% off.[/QUOTE]I don't know if that guy is a dating coach or monger coach, and I don't care. But since he was talking about selling and discounts, that applies to p4 p, not dating. And it makes a lot of sense. Why would I pay to fuck a woman of my age or slightly younger? Would you pay to fuck a 62 year old woman, huh? I know you wouldn't because you are an old pervert. Or would you agree that if the age gap is insignificant, you don't need to pay full price? Women lose attractiveness pretty fast after a certain age. Especially if they don't take care of themselves. Most of us like them young and fresh, in their prime "pussy selling" age. And we pay to cover the age gap and everything that comes with it.

For relationship purposes, it makes sense to find a woman who is mature enough and shares the same values, beliefs, goals, etc, and who is of similar social and/or financial status. A 34 yo woman, who is an established person, is a much better fit for a guy who is in his 40's or 50's, than a 20 yo who just started an adult life. And if that 34 yo woman has great genetics, looks great, works out, eats healthy and takes care of herself, that is even better.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2833919] I don't always want to fuck my girlfriend. But I rarely have real intimacy with prostitutes. [/QUOTE]Why is that? Pussy is pussy, LOL.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2833953]Hey MBoy the forum is about "sharing information on having sex with women. " Here is a news flash for you, the founder could care less what you support. If you feel so strongly about this issue ask the Administrator to create a thread about dating and non-pros. Then you can simply avoid these posts by not reading the thread. Alternatively you can put posters who you do not support on ignore and avoid it that way also. LOL!

Let me ask a question in general. Do you think that the majority of men only get sex from prostitutes?

You do realize that this quote you plagiarized was from a [B]DATING COACH[/B] not a monger coach.

Thank you for the reminder.

[B]How you like me now?[/B][/QUOTE]This has been already discussed, but you are either blind as fuck or have reading comprehension issues. Multiple members pointed out that this website is about p4 p, maybe with the exception of Dating / Tinder threads. Who cares about you fucking the same girlfriend? Who cares about you and her dining out, shopping, cuddling and shit? None of this information is useful for other members. This is your personal stuff that has nothing to do with mongering and "sharing information on having sex with women". Posting about dating in details is like driving a Mercedes in a parking lot where BMW fans are having a yearly meetup. And not only driving, but drifting donuts in front of everyone, drawing everybody's attention and even offending some attendees. Its not like the driver of Mercedes is not allowed to attend, provided the attendance is free for everyone, but he will definitely not be welcomed, especially if he is being aggressive to BMW fans. Same shit with you and your dating stories. Zero useful information, too much bragging, portraying yourself as an alpha male who doesn't need to pay to get laid, whose game is on point. GTFO

[QUOTE=Villainy;2834094]Could you possibly have described yourself any better? I think not![/QUOTE]Is he owning it, or is he completely oblivious to everything he's ever posted?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2834131]I don't know if that guy is a dating coach or monger coach, and I don't care. But since he was talking about selling and discounts, that applies to p4 p, not dating. And it makes a lot of sense. Why would I pay to fuck a woman of my age or slightly younger? Would you pay to fuck a 62 year old woman, huh? I know you wouldn't because you are an old pervert. Or would you agree that if the age gap is insignificant, you don't need to pay full price? Women lose attractiveness pretty fast after a certain age. Especially if they don't take care of themselves. Most of us like them young and fresh, in their prime "pussy selling" age. And we pay to cover the age gap and everything that comes with it.

For relationship purposes, it makes sense to find a woman who is mature enough and shares the same values, beliefs, goals, etc, and who is of similar social and/or financial status. A 34 yo woman, who is an established person, is a much better fit for a guy who is in his 40's or 50's, than a 20 yo who just started an adult life. And if that 34 yo woman has great genetics, looks great, works out, eats healthy and takes care of herself, that is even better.[/QUOTE]You're a walking contradiction.

Just a quick correction. I just noticed in another post there's a typo. It says "a a5 year old girl" and it should say "a 15 year old girl. ".

Back to business.

In the same paragraph you say most men like young women, that women quickly lose their attractiveness and that I'm an old pervert because I feel the same as most men. At what age should a man stop being attracted to attractive women and start being attracted to unattractive women?

There's a slim chance you could be partially right, but only if all relationships are identical and have the same goals, and all people have the same values.

Let's start with a young man, early 20's. He might want a woman who wants to stay at home and raise a family, or a woman with drive and high earning potential. Maybe his dream is to find a woman to build a modest business with. He might want someone who will be by his side 24/7, or someone who gives him plenty of space. As he gets older, the possible relationship goals expand and will almost certainly change.

If I wanted a wife, then I would probably be looking elsewhere. In fact, I would absolutely not be looking outside the US. However, I'm not looking for a wife. My goal is simple. I want someone to have fun with, in and out of the bedroom. I want someone who I can introduce to new experiences, so I can share the joy of discovery. There are certain values which are important to me. Most are deal breakers, same with certain vices. Certain belief systems are incompatible with me.

I could go on, but it shouldn't be necessary. I'm satisfied that the girl meets my minimum requirements.

Speaking of minimum requirements.

From the start you've talked about working to only get the best girls. You've recently indicated that you are only interested in girls who are 7-10 on your scale. However, with only a few exceptions, every woman you've gotten with hard work and more money, just meets your minimum requirements. All 7's.

In other words, the best you can get is the worst you'll accept.

A guy who looks for 5-7 girls and consistently scores 6's and 7's is doing much better, while doing less work and spending less money.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2834139]Why is that? Pussy is pussy, LOL.[/QUOTE]If you knew what intimacy was you would not have to ask the question. If you actually think that you are having intimate relationships with prostitutes well maybe your personal definition of what it means to be intimate with someone is different than the actual meaning of the word to everyone else. Next time you are fucking a prostitute when you finish ask her: "Was that a intimate experience?" Better yet, ask her: "Do you have sex the same way with your boyfriend or husband?

Here is what your boy said when he chimed in on the issue. And yet you were silent.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2830069]I have been doing this a long time, and there is a world of difference between a woman who sucks dick for money and one who does it at least in part because she likes you,[/QUOTE]Agreed! And if you understood he is saying that is the girl that makes the difference when it comes to intimacy. Not the pussy. When it comes to just fucking: [B]Pussy is Pussy[/B]. I remain baffled as to why this is such a difficult concept to some people. Open your minds people.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2834141]This has been already discussed, but you are either blind as fuck or have reading comprehension issues. Multiple members pointed out that this website is about p4 p, maybe with the exception of Dating / Tinder threads.[/QUOTE]You think I should put my posts about my trips to Medellin in the Dating / Tinder Threads? Or you don't know how to use the ignore function here in the forum. When it comes to the purpose of the site, perhaps you are blinded by your own narrow mindedness. Here is what Mr. E had to say about the purpose of the site:

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2830508]So as another poster mentioned there are blatant advertisements, but you assert the site's owner had to imply or hint around as to the stated purpose of the forum? Well he did not. It is there in plain black and white, but you feel inclined to add something to it? [b]It is about men looking for sex with women.[/b] He could have just as easily written men looking for paid sex with women if he wanted, but you do not see that do you?[/QUOTE]Mr. E has been consistent on this point throughout the the years and posting in different countries. I know this for a fact. Early on when I was new to the site I wrote in the Sosua thread after someone wrote about regular dating: "All very interesting but I want to know where the hoes at?" At which point Mr. E, gave me a backhand and posted a screen shot of the purpose of the site written by the founder. I stood there humbled and learned something also. I have also posted a screen shot of it. It is actually written in red. Now, please tell me who is blind or has reading comprehension problems again?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2834141]Zero useful information, too much bragging, portraying yourself as an alpha male who doesn't need to pay to get laid, whose game is on point.[/QUOTE]Actually I am all the above. And I am sorry that makes you angry. If you are not as you describe me then maybe self examination is in order. And some self improvement. Unfortunately for your argument that you make you include the assumption that I don't need to pay to get laid. When actually I do, depending on the circumstances. When one of my girlfriends is not close to me, I will hire a girl to be my prostitute just like the next guy. Read my extensive body of work in the Dominican Republic section and you will see that I am not projecting myself to be any better than the other posters in this forum. Only you are doing that.

Interesting that you see me like that just because I have a girlfriend and seek that out primarily. I don't spend my life as a wage slave then when I get a couple of days of vacation travel the world to another country looking for girls with much less opportunity than I have in order to pay them to have sex with me. And because I am not like you in that regard possibly that is the REAL problem that you have with me. Help a brother out because I am trying to figure out. MiamiBoy, I asked you a direct question:

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2833953][b]Do you think that the majority of men only get sex from prostitutes?[/b][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2834095]And no monger can affect the exchange rate, which has been slipping the past few months. Eventually, things reach a point where those that do not care, come to find out actually do care.[/QUOTE]Exchange rates go up and exchange rates go down. If you are a wage slave, work overtime or start a side hustle. If you own a business figure out how to increase your margins or cut expenses to increase profit. Do not spend your time, energy and money chasing hoes in others countries if you have not secured you own financial base as a man.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2834098]It would be interesting to hear from MB1 if he considers your girlfriend an elite, then we will know which side he is on. LOL.

I think often you got order of things reversed. You see a girl that you think is ugly, then the man who has sex with her would not be happy. I don't have to see the girl to know how happy the man is. We have a member who will apologize when he thinks he says things wrong. Out of respect, I don't mention him by name but I think you know who he is. This member posted a photo of a girl who he is happy with but the focus became how ugly she is and was used as an argument against him.

From your description, I think you treat your girlfriend more like a trophy. Many men are just happy without trophy but you mark them as losers. Personally, I would rather be a man without the need to have trophy to be happy.[/QUOTE]I have never used the word "elite" when talking about women. I have no idea what makes a women elite, and why Elvis uses this term. "In political and sociological theory, the elite (French: élite, from Latin: eligere, to select or to sort out) are a small group of powerful people who hold a disproportionate amount of wealth, privilege, political power, or skill in a group. " The above has always been my understanding of the elite, and I'm not sure how this applies to women specifically. Any gender can be the elite. Does his woman hold a disproportionate amount of wealth, privilege, political power or skill in the group? I don't know. So I'm not on anyone's side here.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2834098]It would be interesting to hear from MB1 if he considers your girlfriend an elite, then we will know which side he is on. LOL.[/QUOTE]He knows nothing about her outside of what I post here. I appreciate the fact MB1 is working hard to get the best and want to encourage him.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2834098]I think you treat your girlfriend more like a trophy.[/QUOTE]LOL. You have no fucking clue how I treat her. You are being fake Nounce pretending to be considerate when you are just JJBee's sidekick.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2834098]Many men are just happy without trophy but you mark them as losers.[/QUOTE]No, the losers are the ones who say the photos of the beauty queens are fake because they are jealous.

If you are happy with a 5, do not want to put in the effort to get a 10, I have said multiple times more power to you. Be happy with what you got. Thing is most guys lie about this and try to make it out that their 5's are equivalent to 10's.

I have lived in a big expensive house and smaller ones. I prefer the smaller ones: less cost, easier to clean, you use all the space. I do not have a jealous bone in my body when I go into friends homes that are 5 X as big and 10 X the cost, but I admire the work they did to get the money to buy their place.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2834098]This member posted a photo of a girl who he is happy with but the focus became how ugly she is and was used as an argument against him.[/QUOTE]You mean the jealous asshole who said the photo of one of my ex-SBs looked like a tranny? That SB was homecoming queen in a school of 4,000 people, and that member bragged about banging a pregnant woman, fat woman, and a woman I would call a 4 at best. I repeat if you are happy with that, I say more power to you. But if you brag about those women and call a homecoming queen a tranny, you are a jealous POS fucking loser.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2834098]Personally, I would rather be a man without the need to have trophy to be happy.[/QUOTE]You need to work on your reading comprehension. What is the either / or shit? Do you think I gave all that up just because she looks like a 10 and is good in bed? I can get that with hookers all day long. She is the total package with intelligence, class, personality, and character. I love our intimate moments. Why do you think I gave up all the fun and my rolodex of hotties for her? I have been around long enough to know I would never do better.

And now go ahead and accuse me of bragging. LOL. That is the cycle.

Get you head out of your ass Nounce. You are behaving like the jealous losers.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2834141] Same shit with you and your dating stories. Zero useful information, too much bragging, portraying yourself as an alpha male who doesn't need to pay to get laid, whose game is on point. GTFO[/QUOTE]I see it's Scrub Cmndr with all the dating stories I haven't bothered reading. He's making the rounds to a number free for all styled threads. Perpetual bragging online in a monger forum is a sure sign of someone whose full of shit. He's a Navy Seal also, right?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xov9fdvRfMA[/URL]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2834131]I don't know if that guy is a dating coach or monger coach, and I don't care.[/QUOTE]It is very difficult for me to take your statement seriously. The man you plagiarized from was: [B]Kevin Roshon Samuels[/B] [I](March 13, 1969 May 5, 2022) an American internet personality and image consultant. He rose to popularity in 2020 and was considered a public figure based on his YouTube and Instagram live streams discussing modern society and [b]relationships[/b].[/I].

You don't have to thank me for the education. I'll be giving you more over the years.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2834131]But since he was talking about selling and discounts, that applies to p4 p, not dating. And it makes a lot of sense.[/QUOTE]Makes no sense at all. You are completely using the quote out of context. He was taking about the value a girl for a relationship. Not paying for prostitutes. Speak like a man. It is what it is.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2834131]Why would I pay to fuck a woman of my age or slightly younger? Would you pay to fuck a 62 year old woman, huh? I know you wouldn't because you are an old pervert.[/QUOTE]When it comes to prostitution there are many fetishes that people pay for. You can find a prostitute over 50 in almost any online venue.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2834131]Or would you agree that if the age gap is insignificant, you don't need to pay full price?[/QUOTE]They are prostitutes selling a service. I service that the client is buying. They charge market price. Wage slaves don't understand markets, capitalism or socialism. That is why your boy (that you don't support) called me a socialist. Had me rolling on the floor laughing with one.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2834131]Women lose attractiveness pretty fast after a certain age.[/QUOTE]I disagree with this statement. It represents a fairly narrow minded view of beauty to me. But is pretty much par for the course from what I have read in your posts. To each their own.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2834131]Most of us like them young and fresh, in their prime.[/QUOTE]In addition, if you actually did some research into the statement that your plagiarized. You would also learn that up to 25 a girl is being herself. After that age you get a girl who is angling for a relationship. They are putting on a act for you. So that you buy the aged good. Like fish that looks good in the display shelf but you get it home and it's bad within a day.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2834131]For relationship purposes, it makes sense to find a woman who is mature enough and shares the same values, beliefs, goals, etc, and who is of similar social and/or financial status. A 34 yo woman, who is an established person, is a much better fit for a guy who is in his 40's or 50's, than a 20 yo who just started an adult life. And if that 34 yo woman has great genetics, looks great, works out, eats healthy and takes care of herself, that is even better.[/QUOTE]This is some of the worst relationship advice I have ever read. No wonder your world is focused on buying pussy to satisfy all of your sexual needs.

Now increase your post count by one more and give another one of your one liners. LOL!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2834141]This has been already discussed, but you are either blind as fuck or have reading comprehension issues. Multiple members pointed out that this website is about p4 p, maybe with the exception of Dating / Tinder threads. Who cares about you fucking the same girlfriend? Who cares about you and her dining out, shopping, cuddling and shit? None of this information is useful for other members. This is your personal stuff that has nothing to do with mongering and "sharing information on having sex with women". Posting about dating in details is like driving a Mercedes in a parking lot where BMW fans are having a yearly meetup. And not only driving, but drifting donuts in front of everyone, drawing everybody's attention and even offending some attendees. Its not like the driver of Mercedes is not allowed to attend, provided the attendance is free for everyone, but he will definitely not be welcomed, especially if he is being aggressive to BMW fans. Same shit with you and your dating stories. Zero useful information, too much bragging, portraying yourself as an alpha male who doesn't need to pay to get laid, whose game is on point. GTFO[/QUOTE]How do you feel about this post?

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2766429]How to Meet a Beautiful Colombian Woman in Medellin Without Ending Up in a Body Bag. A Very Short Guide for Foreigners.[/QUOTE]A lot of relationship related information there.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2834192]I have never used the word "elite" when talking about women. I have no idea what makes a women elite, and why Elvis uses this term. "In political and sociological theory, the elite (French: lite, from Latin: eligere, to select or to sort out) are a small group of powerful people who hold a disproportionate amount of wealth, privilege, political power, or skill in a group. " The above has always been my understanding of the elite, and I'm not sure how this applies to women specifically. Any gender can be the elite. Does his woman hold a disproportionate amount of wealth, privilege, political power or skill in the group? I don't know. So I'm not on anyone's side here.[/QUOTE]That's not entirely correct, that you've never used the word "elite" when talking about women.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2727887]I'm not really looking for elites or someone who comes from a rich family or has an established career. My target audience is 18-24 yo, and the sweet spot is 22-24 yo, ideally college girls or fresh out of college having a part time job. I like them young, fresh and energetic, without kids, prior marriages, etc. These girls are more fun to be with and easier to meet because they usually have flexible schedules vs someone working 6 days a week and taking care of kids on top of that. I'm not looking for someone broke as fuck, and most centro girls are like that, broke af, can't even afford to pay a water or cellphone bill (heck, some of them don't even own one). The girls I'm meeting have their basic needs covered / paid for, they are not stressed out all the time and I don't have to watch my stuff because they won't steal it.

To date elites, one has to live here full time. I have tried to meet a dentist, an industrial engineer and a real estate broker, but it was difficult to schedule, and my limited time here is precious, so i gave up.[/QUOTE]If I may, I'd like to address a few points.

It's not difficult to translate "elite" into any categorization. If I said "he's an elite athlete", you would immediately understand, although you might not agree. Same thing with an elite girl. Personally, and I believe I've asked before (not directed at you), I would ask what makes her elite? There are 2 more important questions. Can you prove she's elite? And, Why should I care?

If someone has hooked up with the current Miss Universe, who also won a Nobel Prize in Physics and has a net worth of $8 billion, great. Why should I care? Are they going to let me fly around on her private jet? Are they planning on introducing me to her twin sister? Are they at least going to ask me to join them for dinner? No? Why should I care?

In your post talking about elites, you went over your criteria, and it's pretty close to mine. I'd probably stretch it 18-30, and I'd stress to always watch your stuff, or keep it out of sight. For someone I want to spend extended time with that freedom from baggage is important. However, employed and / or in college can create problems. If it's exam week, she's going to be distracted, or she may not have time. That's happened to me.

I don't particularly care if she's in or graduated from college, or if she's broke, especially for a 2 hour cita. I'm more interested in her communication skills. For something longer-term, does she have a viable plan for the future?

Get my handle right. Stop making false claims. You may lie on your dick. But I don't. It is not a monger site. It is a site to share information on having sex with girls. Work on your reading comprehension skills. And finally, it is not bragging if you can back it up.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2834215]I see it's Scrub Cmndr with all the dating stories I haven't bothered reading. He's making the rounds to a number free for all styled threads. Perpetual bragging online in a monger forum is a sure sign of someone whose full of shit. He's a Navy Seal also, right?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xov9fdvRfMA[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2834215]I see it's Scrub Cmndr with all the dating stories I haven't bothered reading. He's making the rounds to a number free for all styled threads. Perpetual bragging online in a monger forum is a sure sign of someone whose full of shit. He's a Navy Seal also, right?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xov9fdvRfMA[/URL][/QUOTE]Navy Seal? Hmm, I thought his name meant he was captain of a submarine. Six of one, half a dozen of the other I guess.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2834741]Navy Seal? Hmm, I thought his name meant he was captain of a submarine. Six of one, half a dozen of the other I guess.[/QUOTE]Using the same logic, does that mean you are the real Elvis resurrected in 2008? Or was just the spririt of Elvis reincarnated into you in 2008? ROTFLMAO!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2834304]Get my handle right. Stop making false claims. You may lie on your dick. But I don't. It is not a monger site. It is a site to share information on having sex with girls. Work on your reading comprehension skills. And finally, it is not bragging if you can back it up.[/QUOTE]Not a monger site? LOL.

I'm reading your recent posts in the MDE thread, and all you discuss is taxi fares and ATM fees, which have nothing to do with sharing information on having sex with girls. There is plenty of information on the internet about money exchange, restaurants or things to do. Read any travel guide. Your report about fucking the same GF is useless on a monger site.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2834823]You are confusing the AVERAGE and MINIMUM salaries. In 2023, the average salary in Colombia is about 1000-1100 USD / month. The minimum salary is about $300 USD (1. 3 million COP). In the US, the minimum salary varies in each state, from about 7. 25 USD / HR to 15-16 USD / HR (in very few states, like DC or California). $7. 25 at 40 hrs a week is "whopping" 1160 USD / month.

You don't pay a Colombian girl $1100 to spend the night. You pay her $100 USD on average, maybe a bit more depending on how hot she is. Thats 1/10 of the average salary.

1/10 of $3500 is $350. Can you get a hot girl to spend the night with you in the States for $350? I doubt it. But even if you can, the ratios are pretty much the same.[/QUOTE]You need to explain to me how this relates to having sex with girls. It appears you are talking about general economics. And here is a news flash for you, having sex for money is a job, some girls make it a profession. It does not matter how much she getting paid verses the average salary in Colombia, the minimum salary in Colombia or what a mother fucking DOCTOR gets paid in Colombia. A girl getting paid to have sex in Colombia gets what the guy who is paying her pays. That is called a transaction in the private market. And the only reason you even know about the shit is because a fellow ISG brother (who are men as opposed to boys) come on here and report it.

Do you understand markets? Like the Stock Market, The Bond Market or the Crypto Market. If I talk about them they are related having sex with girls especially the way you like to have sex with girls. Because you like to pay them. And if you like to pay them and I provide advice that helps you get paid, I have helped you have sex with girls the way you like to have sex with girls. By paying them.

The difference between me and you is that you are triggered by individuals like myself who post about having sex with regular girls. You don't want to hear how I met my girlfriend. Others might. And until your are the Administrator, you cannot decide what I get to post about or not. If you have a problem with my posts, put me on ignore or report me to the Administrator using the report post button. Until then, continue to enjoy my work. Or STFU!

Point me to the thread about non-pros here in Colombia please. In the Dominican Republic portion of the forum I a user blog about it. Cause that is my thing.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2834825]Not a monger site? LOL.[/QUOTE]No it is not a site only about prostitution. Did you read the purpose of the forum written by the founder? You can read English correct?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2834825]I'm reading your recent posts in the MDE thread, and all you discuss is taxi fares and ATM fees, which have nothing to do with sharing information on having sex with girls. There is plenty of information on the internet about money exchange, restaurants or things to do. Read any travel guide. Your report about fucking the same GF is useless on a monger site.[/QUOTE]You need to expand your mind a bit. If I can figure out how to save 30,000 COP on my taxi ride when I arrive I can use that savings and add 10,000 COP and fuck a prostitute in El Centro right?

So, other posters on ISG who help me save money on these basic items ARE indeed sharing information that will help me fuck a prostitute (the favorite way you like to have sex) and then I can report back on it.

According to you and others who mainly post in this thread, I am dumb, stupid, idiot, moron and full of shit. Did I miss anything? I am slow learner and traveling to Medellin is new to me. I need all the help I can get especially when it comes to paying for sex with prostitutes and I consider you an expert in that and defer to your knowledge of the subject on this site dedicated to sharing information on having sex with girls. Keep that information about having sex with prostitutes coming and leave the hard subjects like economics to me. ROTFLMAO!

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2834779]I don't understand how it's a scam. The banks give you a choice of accepting or declining their conversion rate. Every ATM I've been to in Medellin that charges a fee gives you that information before your transaction is completed. The user has the option to cancel the transaction. I traveled to the Far East before the pandemic and many ATM's there were offering their own conversion rate.[/QUOTE]First off basic rule of life says your experiences do not nullify my experiences. And in turn my experiences do not nullify your experiences. I'm ok. You are ok.

I defer to your extensive world travel experiences. In the last ten years, I have only traveled between the Dominican Republic and the (Dis) United States of America. When you accept the the ATM conversion rate in the Dominican Republic you get the same rate as my bank gives me. 200 basis points less than the institutional rate. There are two rates that are used for exchange, the institutional rate and the retail rate. My bank has consistently given me a rate in between the retail rate and the institutional rate. I will decline the conversion rate here in the Dominican Republic and will see what happens.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2834779]The official rate is the same 24 hours a day. You should show those drivers who are asking for 120 mil the sign outside the departure doors. The next time I arrive at MDE, I'll try to remember to take a photo of the sign and post it here.[/QUOTE]Good advice. And when I am standing in the airport at 2 AM with six white cabs lined up, no other passengers waiting for a taxi and to a man they are saying 120,000 COP, I should point to a mother fucking sign and tell them I am going to report them to the controlling legal authorities and sit in the airport all night until I can speak to them. I should do this over 30,000 COP (7. 32 USD). No mother fucker, I am not that poor. I am going to continue to pay 120,000 COP and get to my spot and get some sleep next to my girlfriend who is waiting for me to arrive.

Next time you arrive at the airport after 12 AM I want you to report what happens to you and and tell me they they lowered the price after you pointed to your mother fucking sign. Put me in check. Call me stupid and dumb. Please. Because at least you will have proven me wrong with factual information. Instead of the saying the same thing over and over again while disagreeing with a fact written in red.

You got guys paying 800,000 COP for mother fucking pussy! And you and others want to run up on me talking about I'm going to post a picture of a mother fucking sign? MCP please! Now every man has the right and duty to fuck who he wants and spend his money how he wants. Man Law 101. I look it this way, if they like it I love it! But when I wanted to buy a iPhone I was looking at a 250 USD premium over what I knew I could buy it for in the (Dis) United States of America. So, what did I do. I bought a plane ticket and flew to the (Dis) United States of America and flew back the same day. UI used the savings from the total of a direct purchase of all my tech items from the Apple store to pay for my plane ticket, transportation and food for the day. With no worries about the origin of the products I bought. And I still had some of my stack left over.

This is all to say that maybe I have become soft. Maybe I have reached a point in my life where 7. 32 USD is not worth falling on my sword over. I spent the majority of my life dealing with situations where is was "fuck what you heard we got to deal with this right now"! I am conflict averse IRL. Anyone can be a keyboard warrior and we got plenty of them in this forum. How much money do I save by buying 40000 pussy of the streets of El Centro instead of 800000 COP pussy? Enough to pay 30000 more for a ride to my apartment at 2 AM in the morning from the airport. ROTFLMAO!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2834911]

You need to expand your mind a bit. If I can figure out how to save 30,000 COP on my taxi ride when I arrive I can use that savings and add 10,000 COP and fuck a prostitute in El Centro right?

So, other posters on ISG who help me save money on these basic items ARE indeed sharing information that will help me fuck a prostitute (the favorite way you like to have sex) and then I can report back on it. [/QUOTE]If you can't figure out how to use Uber or other rideshare apps, or refuse to use them for some dumb reason, you deserve to be overcharged.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2834911]
According to you and others who mainly post in this thread, I am dumb, stupid, idiot, moron and full of shit. Did I miss anything? I[/QUOTE]This is a fair assessment, you didn't miss anything.

Latin America is always going to be behind developed nations because of constant corruption and dishonesty like 120 k pesos when the sign says 90 k. That's the tip of the iceberg. Cancun is the same way. Brazil cabs from airport. Ditto. Government needs to bring the broken window theory to Latin America so when tourists come they have a great experience from the airport to airport home. Start with small stuff and work your way up to the top and fix that. That said, pay the extra 7 bucks at 2 am and get fucking. If they all collude at that time you are stuck. Or, Get a driver from hotel waiting for you. Nicer car and he will have a sign with your name on it. Make you feel important. LOL.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2835147]If you can't figure out how to use Uber or other rideshare apps, or refuse to use them for some dumb reason, you deserve to be overcharged..[/QUOTE][B]What I refuse to do is pay 800000 COP for one night of pussy which is over two thirds of the rent I pay for my apartment each month[/B]

According to the Medellin reports thread, by buying my pussy in El Centro for 40000 COP instead of paying 2/3 rds of a months rent for it should help with any cash flow problems you may think I have. You should approve. If not let me know how I could do better. My thoughts is that you should give advice to someone who really needs help from a pussy purchasing expert such as yourself. I can afford the 7. 32 USD overcharge. You see my digital paper stack that backs up the ATM withdrawals that I am also having trouble making can cover it. Besides are you sure it is an over charge? Nobody has said they have arrived after 12 AM and had no problems taking a taxi from MDE into the city. If so, please point it out. I missed it.

[B]Man Law 101 says you should not be concerned with how I spend my money.[/B] miamiBoy1.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2835147]This is a fair assessment, you didn't miss anything.[/QUOTE]Have you failed to realize I don't care what you and your ilk think of me? My girlfriend would not agree with you. And since I know her personally and you remain a keyboard warrior I will pay much more attention to her than to you. Besides I have real men in my life to give me advice and keep counsel with. Not boys. I lose exactly 0 hours 0 minutes and 0 seconds of sleep worrying about what [B]miamiBoy1[/B] writes in the [B]Stupid shit in Medellin thread[/B]. I only reply because it gives me practice writing in English since I speak Spanish 24/07/365.

Game goes to Mr. Subcmdr. Your serve!

I don't need no damn sign to tell me that shit. Ask any of the people who greet me each morning with: [I]"Buenos dias Jefe or Buenos Dias Patron"[/I] if I am important on payday. LOL!

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2835171]Latin America is always going to be behind developed nations because of constant corruption and dishonesty like 120 k pesos when the sign says 90 k. That's the tip of the iceberg. Cancun is the same way. Brazil cabs from airport. Ditto. Government needs to bring the broken window theory to Latin America so when tourists come they have a great experience from the airport to airport home. Start with small stuff and work your way up to the top and fix that. That said, pay the extra 7 bucks at 2 am and get fucking. If they all collude at that time you are stuck. Or, Get a driver from hotel waiting for you. Nicer car and he will have a sign with your name on it. Make you feel important. LOL.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. And how I have resolved the problem is I have a driver of a white taxi with the official markings that only makes airport runs. The last time I left Medellin for MDE he arrived 45 minutes early and waited patiently for me to come down. We then had a lively conversation about many aspects of Colombia on the way to the airport. I arrived at the airport. He helped me with my bag. Told me the charge was 90000 COP. I gave him a 100000 COP note. He thanked me for the gift. I have already made arrangements with him to pick me up at my next arrival at MDE. And yes, I will pay the extra 30000 to get fuckin. And let me add, my girlfriend noted his arrival time and uses him also when she goes to the airport. Now, he has one more customer just by handling his business well. Fuck an extra 7. 32 USD. I'll pay a little bit less for pussy. Declined the exchange rate when using the ATM and next thing I know, I will be even cash flow wise. LOL!

I know that when I am buying pussy, the service is more important than appearance. I would rather have a 6 who works goes to work on my dick like her life depends on making me happy than a Beauty Queen who feels you are lucky to have them even if you are paying all of her bills. Real talk!

I'll say it again. [B]I am mother fucking important![/B] If only in my own mind. LOL!

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2835171]Latin America is always going to be behind developed nations because of constant corruption and dishonesty like 120 k pesos when the sign says 90 k. That's the tip of the iceberg. Cancun is the same way. Brazil cabs from airport. Ditto. Government needs to bring the broken window theory to Latin America so when tourists come they have a great experience from the airport to airport home. Start with small stuff and work your way up to the top and fix that. That said, pay the extra 7 bucks at 2 am and get fucking. If they all collude at that time you are stuck. Or, Get a driver from hotel waiting for you. Nicer car and he will have a sign with your name on it. Make you feel important. LOL.[/QUOTE]I fly in late often into Medellin and have seen this scenario played out over and over. There will be 1-2 cars and neither driver will budge off 120 k. So you either pay it or take the bus.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2835347]I fly in late often into Medellin and have seen this scenario played out over and over. There will be 1-2 cars and neither driver will budge off 120 k. So you either pay it or take the bus.[/QUOTE]It is not 90 mil from the airport to Medellin. It is 98 mil now. So the difference is actually 22 pesos or $5. 30.

[B]Do not dial 911 when you read this information please. It is not needed.[/B]

And while we are we are listing our [I]Curriculum Vitae[/I] all those currently running business in three different countries (including Colombia) please raise their hand.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;2836042]and can tell you FOR A FACT that the average Colombian is hurting due to crazy rises in prices, [b]talk to some of them and ask, and no, some two bit working girl doesn't count.[/b][/QUOTE]Sorry, I cannot accede to your request. My current associates in Colombia consist of my business partner and the family of my business partner, our attorney, the doctors who provide me treatment and my girlfriend. I have not spoken with a working girl since I stepped foot in Colombia. Something for which I have received grief from more than one poster in the Colombia portion of the ISG forum.

[B]911[/B] Have your say right here brother. Let it all hang out. Then get over your petty vendetta and get back to what we are all here to do: Share information on having sex with girls.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2837237]Two truth bombs + a bit of common sense advice = excellent response post.[/QUOTE]Sorry brother but about the non-pros as Notorious BIG says: "You're dead wrong".

"Relax and take notes, while I take tokes of the marijuana smoke" -[B]The Notorious B.I.G.,[/B] [I]Dead Wrong[/I].

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2836685]...
Sorry, I cannot accede to your request. My current associates in Colombia consist of my business partner and the family of my business partner, our attorney, the doctors who provide me treatment and my girlfriend. ...[/QUOTE]The Colombians that do business with gringos probably are doing well, like real estate agents, lawyers, accountants, doctors. I think these are not average Colombian.

Before COVID it was about 3 K to 1 USD, it went to 5 K, then 4 K now. For average locals that monger in Centro. The rate went from 30 K to 40 K. A cup of coffee that used to be 200 is 500 now. The dinner from the street stand was 4 k, but it is 6 K now. Phone bill is also higher. I don't know how much raise the locals get. Unless they work for gringo, I guess they are not better off. My local friend was complaining about construction material cost has increased significantly higher, and their kid was surprised to learn that the properties are much higher to afford one now.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2837464]The Colombians that do business with gringos probably are doing well, like real estate agents, lawyers, accountants, doctors. I think these are not average Colombian.

Before COVID it was about 3 K to 1 USD, it went to 5 K, then 4 K now. For average locals that monger in Centro. The rate went from 30 K to 40 K. A cup of coffee that used to be 200 is 500 now. The dinner from the street stand was 4 k, but it is 6 K now. Phone bill is also higher. I don't know how much raise the locals get. Unless they work for gringo, I guess they are not better off. My local friend was complaining about construction material cost has increased significantly higher, and their kid was surprised to learn that the properties are much higher to afford one now.[/QUOTE]The average local is definitely struggling right now. I can see the desperation in people's faces when I walk around el centro or take public transit.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2837249]Sorry brother but about the non-pros as Notorious BIG says: "You're dead wrong".

"Relax and take notes, while I take tokes of the marijuana smoke" -[B]The Notorious B.I.G.,[/B] [I]Dead Wrong[/I].[/QUOTE]I get it that if you are there a while and want to date and are fluent enough in Spanish there may be options to find a non-pro. Assuming you are also relatively young and may be partner material.

But for someone in the more senior demographic, the majority on here, you have nothing to offer but a stiff prick and money, and you will get laid for money. And by my definition getting laid for money is a pro. Even if she is not very good at it.

And most of us have nothing to offer the chicas 30 or 40 years younger than us other than money in exchange for sex.

Yes, if I was living there and wanted to find a non-pro, say a woman in her 50's looking for a partner, perhaps I could. But I have no interest in that.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2837616]I get it that if you are there a while and want to date and are fluent enough in Spanish there may be options to find a non-pro. Assuming you are also relatively young and may be partner material.

But for someone in the more senior demographic, the majority on here, you have nothing to offer but a stiff prick and money, and you will get laid for money. And by my definition getting laid for money is a pro. Even if she is not very good at it.

And most of us have nothing to offer the chicas 30 or 40 years younger than us other than money in exchange for sex.

Yes, if I was living there and wanted to find a non-pro, say a woman in her 50's looking for a partner, perhaps I could. But I have no interest in that.[/QUOTE]Jjbee would strongly disagree LOL. His "GF" is 40 years younger. Have you read his novels?

I said it was not being caused by the exchange rate. There is an individual trolling me from thread to thread and I needed to put him in check. That was the purpose of my statement. Not to say the average Colombian is doing great!

I am new to Colombia. I have no frame of reference. I pay 1000 COP for a small cup of coffee at the the Panaderia next to the building I stay in. I have been getting a exchange rate of 3800 - 4200 COP to 1 USD during my last three visits.

Financial statistics are saying the inflation rate in Colombia is 13% plus. Those are the official numbers. We all know that government officials around the world game those numbers.

The inflation numbers are not real and they do not measure the true rate of inflation that exists in the economy. True rates of inflation are much higher. Because if you are not buying what is in the basket of goods that they are measuring, your personal rate of inflation could be much higher.

Inflation is theft by the Central Bankers of the value of the fiat currency that you hold. It is insidious like the frog having the heat turned up on them. It is wrong. It is a devaluation of the fiat currency that you hold. And it is hard on regular people. No doubt!

[QUOTE=Nounce;2837464]The Colombians that do business with gringos probably are doing well, like real estate agents, lawyers, accountants, doctors. I think these are not average Colombian.

Before COVID it was about 3 K to 1 USD, it went to 5 K, then 4 K now. For average locals that monger in Centro. The rate went from 30 K to 40 K. A cup of coffee that used to be 200 is 500 now. The dinner from the street stand was 4 k, but it is 6 K now. Phone bill is also higher. I don't know how much raise the locals get. Unless they work for gringo, I guess they are not better off. My local friend was complaining about construction material cost has increased significantly higher, and their kid was surprised to learn that the properties are much higher to afford one now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2837631]
I am new to Colombia. I have no frame of reference. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2836685]
And while we are we are listing our [I]Curriculum Vitae[/I] all those currently running business in three different countries (including Colombia) please raise their hand.

Sorry, I cannot accede to your request. My current associates in Colombia consist of my business partner and the family of my business partner, our attorney, the doctors who provide me treatment and my girlfriend. I have not spoken with a working girl since I stepped foot in Colombia. Something for which I have received grief from more than one poster in the Colombia portion of the ISG forum.

Then get over your petty vendetta and get back to what we are all here to do: Share information on having sex with girls.[/QUOTE]You say you are new to Colombia but you know someone well enough to be a business partner with? You know everything about Dominican Republic because you have been living there but you have doctors here that give you treatment? You have a GF and have not spoken to a working girl but are telling us to share info on having sex with girls. Everything you say you contradict yourself. And most your posts you feel the need to quote stupid rap song lyrics? You are a cronic liar.

You should say and repeat to yourself the quote "cause I'm a liar, a liar, a liar, a liar" by Band Rollins. Look I can quote songs too.

Individuals who live in sex prison countries look at expats living overseas the way a poor kid looks into the window of a candy store. With a combination of envy and hope.

They are like a batter that has studied everything they can about hitting a 100 MPH fastball, but have only taken batting practice. They have never stepped into the batter's box under game conditions and tried to actually hit that 100 MPH fastball.

I get that and I understand. That when I post. And I do my best to be understanding of those who think they know it all. I am not posting from the standpoint of living in a sex prison country. I live in a land where pussy is plentiful. I have worked my ass off learning Spanish because I am intelligent and do not have a lazy mind. I get the best feeling when individuals here in Colombia complement me on my Spanish. It is actually a sad commentary on other visitors from my country of origin that they arrive with poor language skills.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2837616]I get it that if you are there a while and want to date and are fluent enough in Spanish there may be options to find a non-pro. [/QUOTE]My focus has always been on non-pros since I moved out of my country of origin. If someone else wants to focus on putting their efforts in procuring prostitutes I think that is ok. I will not tell another grown man who they should be fucking or how to spend their hard earned money (Man Law 101). If they like it, I love it!

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2837616]Assuming you are also relatively young and may be partner material.[/QUOTE][B]Dead Wrong![/B] You make the assumption in this statement, and in many others throughout your post, that you know the objectives of every girl in Colombia. You don't! You also make the assumption in this statement and others below that age differences are a problem with every girl. Another error on your part. Unless you can bring me some proof, I will operate with the knowledge that this is your opinion. And we all know they are like the hole in our ass that everyone has.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2837616]But for someone in the more senior demographic[/QUOTE]What the fuck does that mean? Speak clearly and directly up in here. We are all men. At what age to you enter the mother fucking "[I]senior demographic[/I]"?

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2837616]the majority on here, you have nothing to offer but a stiff prick and money, and you will get laid for money. And by my definition getting laid for money is a pro. Even if she is not very good at it.[/QUOTE]In this statement you are speaking for yourself. You cannot speak for the the men of this site no matter what demographic they are in. For me this is another example of how if you think like a hammer, you tend to see everything as a nail. And those thoughts will drive your solution to problems. So really, you need to speak for yourself and not project your individual or personal deficiencies onto others. Once again, I accept this is your opinion. And I hope you accept that I strongly disagree with it.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2837616]And most of us have nothing to offer the chicas 30 or 40 years younger than us other than money in exchange for sex.[/QUOTE]Once again, you cannot speak for the entire population of ISG. You can only speak for yourself. And your assumption is that once again the age difference matters. You make the assumption once again that you know the objects and desires of all girls in Colombia. Since this is how your think, this is how it is for you. I understand this. And you have the right to think that like that.

But I am not going to let you think for me. You are discounting the value of friendship. The value of making a real connection with someone and how that part of a relationship can actually work for a girl. And the age difference does not matter to every girl in Colombia.

And I am speaking from personal experience and the experience of two of my very good friends operating in Colombia on a personal basis with no problems making contract with girls that are younger than them and spend time with them without money being the primary factor. To me you statement is fatalistic and shows signs of self hate in that you cannot value all the things that you could bring into the life of a young girl if you did not see every girl a hole that you pay in order to stick your dick into.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2837616]Yes, if I was living there and wanted to find a non-pro, say a woman in her 50's looking for a partner, perhaps I could. But I have no interest in that.[/QUOTE]If you want to learn how to hit the 100 MPH fastball, get in the batters box under game conditions. Your assumptions are WACK! Your mind is closed. And therefore you cannot see the potential that is possible with a open mind and different set of attitudes that are not spawned from a lifetime of living in sex prison with the occasional pass to the outside for good behavior.

I do what you say can't be done in the Dominican Republic. But I have had boots on the ground there for nearly 10 years. I can work the system and I know the culture. I am new to Colombia. But I see a lot of the same situations that girls are in that will lead them to making excellent non-pro "amigas con derechos". I am having the same conversations that I have had in the Dominican Republic with girls. But what I notice is that they are not trying to drop the panties immediately. They want to go out on a date. They want to get to know me. I am good with that. Always have been. Because I have found that is the ONLY way that you develop a relationship with a non-pro that is NOT based on money.

If anyone up in here thinks that free sex exists then they need to re educate themselves about the way relationships work. Take the greatest example of a non-pro relationship: Marriage. Enough said!

[I]Continue to sit in the stands and watch me knock that 100 MPH fastball out of the park![/I]

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2837621]Jjbee would strongly disagree LOL. His "GF" is 40 years younger. Have you read his novels?[/QUOTE]Why would I disagree with that? Did you fail to understand what you responded to, or did you only see what you wanted to see.

Also, thanks for confirming that my relationship is the single most important thing in your life. I haven't been posting, I was no way involved in the conversation, yet your immediate thought is about me and my girlfriend.

Get over it. Get yourself a fleshlight, a sexual companion which is your intellectual equal.

Most toxic thread on this whole website.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2837867]Most toxic thread on this whole website.[/QUOTE]Really, "Stupid shit in Kyiv" is worse.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2837817]Why would I disagree with that? Did you fail to understand what you responded to, or did you only see what you wanted to see.

Also, thanks for confirming that my relationship is the single most important thing in your life. I haven't been posting, I was no way involved in the conversation, yet your immediate thought is about me and my girlfriend.

Get over it. Get yourself a fleshlight, a sexual companion which is your intellectual equal.[/QUOTE]My immediate thought was about you simply because you are the only old fart that I know of on ISG, claiming to be in a relationship with a girl 40 years younger. You are also the only one posting long ass novels about you and your GF.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2837878]Really, "Stupid shit in Kyiv" is worse.[/QUOTE]Geez Paulie97 really makes the rounds on these forums.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2835358]It is not 90 mil from the airport to Medellin. It is 98 mil now. So the difference is actually 22 pesos or $5. 30.[/QUOTE]Shit makes no difference to me, I'm getting on the bus and using that extra cash to get a bottle.

I choose to make enough money to have a driver show up to take me to the airport. Each time. Every time. Fuck riding the bus. LOL! I've worked too long and hard. It is something I don't have to do anymore. But to each their own. You will never find me telling another man who to fuck or how to spend his hard earned money (Man Law 101).

I prefer not to spend 800000 COP for an overnight. Yes, call me a cheap Charlie. I can fuck four different sexy Colombianas for that. [B]Pussy is Pussy[/B]. I guess we all have our priorities and how we choose to save money. BTW if you are saving money to buy a bottle, the prices in Dufry are exceptional compared to what I've seen in the grocery stores.

Who complains about a tread being toxic while reading every word of it and then posting in it to boot? LOL!

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2837879]My immediate thought was about you simply because you are the only old fart that I know of on ISG, claiming to be in a relationship with a girl 40 years younger. You are also the only one posting long ass novels about you and your GF.[/QUOTE]Exactly. You read a report that has nothing to do with me, part of a conversation I'm not involved in and your "immediate thought" was about me. You didn't think about the opinions expressed, how they related to the OP's questions, or how you felt about them. Instead, you immediately thought about me. Do you ever get tired of proving me right?

Just for the record, I mentioned my GF a few times as part of other reports. I wrote no "long ass novels" about her (and it says a great deal about you if you think 500 words is a "long ass novel. " I'm guessing it would take you 3 days to finish a Dr. Seuss book) until you decided that my relationship was the only important thing on ISG.

And when, at your insistence, I stop posting anything about her, anything which would even imply her existence, you can't stand that I'm posting nothing about her and forcefully inject her into the conversation.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2838156]Exactly. You read a report that has nothing to do with me, part of a conversation I'm not involved in and your "immediate thought" was about me. You didn't think about the opinions expressed, how they related to the OP's questions, or how you felt about them. Instead, you immediately thought about me. Do you ever get tired of proving me right?

Just for the record, I mentioned my GF a few times as part of other reports. I wrote no "long ass novels" about her (and it says a great deal about you if you think 500 words is a "long ass novel. " I'm guessing it would take you 3 days to finish a Dr. Seuss book) until you decided that my relationship was the only important thing on ISG.

And when, at your insistence, I stop posting anything about her, anything which would even imply her existence, you can't stand that I'm posting nothing about her and forcefully inject her into the conversation.[/QUOTE]Read Zeos1's post again. He said most guys have nothing to offer to a girl 30 or 40 years younger, other than money in exchange for sex. I totally agree with Zeos and I wrote about it multiple times in my posts. On top of that, a man and a woman that are 2 generations apart have very little, if anything, in common to build a relationship.

Now, you are saying that you agree with his statement, at the same time you claim to be in a relationship with her, meaning no sex for money. Which means, you are bragging about having a GF, while other dudes of your age do pay for sex. The photo you posted (which I assume is your GF) only proves that. This is so fucked up to post a half naked photo of your GF on a public mongering forum and is nothing but bragging.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2838112]I choose to make enough money to have a driver show up to take me to the airport. Each time. Every time. Fuck riding the bus. LOL! I've worked too long and hard. It is something I don't have to do anymore. But to each their own. You will never find me telling another man who to fuck or how to spend his hard earned money (Man Law 101).

I prefer not to spend 800000 COP for an overnight. Yes, call me a cheap Charlie. I can fuck four different sexy Colombianas for that. [B]Pussy is Pussy[/B]. I guess we all have our priorities and how we choose to save money. BTW if you are saving money to buy a bottle, the prices in Dufry are exceptional compared to what I've seen in the grocery stores.

Who complains about a tread being toxic while reading every word of it and then posting in it to boot? LOL!

[B]How you like me now?[/B][/QUOTE]Only 4 girls? Make it 10, or better yet, 15. Pussy is pussy, why pay 200 mil when you can save and pay 50 mil? El Centro got the meat you want. Cheap Charlie paradise. Oh wait, I though you had a GF?

BTW, do you realize you can have a driver meet you at the airport upon your arrival? Yes, genius, not only taxi drivers drop your ass off at the airport, they also can pick your ass up.

You make enough money to have a driver show IP to take you to the airport, but apparently not enough to arrange a transfer from the airport and to not complain about 30-40 mil /7 bucks overcharge.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2838202]Only 4 girls? Make it 10, or better yet, 15. Pussy is pussy, why pay 200 mil when you can save and pay 50 mil?[/QUOTE]800000/200000 = 4; 8000000/50000 =16. I know this is the [B]Stupid Shit in Medellin thread[/B], but can you at least get your math right. LOL.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2838202]BTW, do you realize you can have a driver meet you at the airport upon your arrival? Yes, genius, not only taxi drivers drop your ass off at the airport, they also can pick your ass up.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the information. I don't consider myself a genius, but you and many others do. I am humbled by the admiration and deference to my superior intellect that you and throngs of others show me.

FYI, I do have my personal driver show up at the airport and pick me up. I appreciate the though but I am way ahead of you. Are you really that desperate for attention that you need to comment on my spending habits. If you can't afford the extra 5-7 up charge just take the bus like this guy does:

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2838051]Im getting on the bus and using that extra cash to get a bottle.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2838202]You make enough money to have a driver show IP to take you to the airport, but apparently not enough to arrange a transfer from the airport and to not complain about 30-40 mil /7 bucks overcharge.[/QUOTE]Please work on your reading comprehension skills. You never heard me complain about the five to seven dollar over charge. In fact I made fun of those who felt that somehow I did something wrong by paying the charge and getting on with my vacation. Show me the post where I complained, I will publicly apologize to you right in this thread.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2838202]Oh wait, I thought you had a GF?[/QUOTE]But I do. And just because you don't know how to get one. Wait, I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you actually know how to talk a real girl out of her panties. It is simply at this point in your life you have chosen to satisfy your sexual needs by paying prostitutes. And that is OK. There are non-pros girls that will give you sex. They exist in real life. I know it. And so does this guy:

[QUOTE=Recondite;2838129]Just did anal for the first time with the nonpro I'm shacked up with and she was up for ass-to-mouth and the whole nine yards. But she's very submissive and she told me she likes it when I think of perverse and creative things for her to do. The funny thing is that you'd never know if I sent you her profile or the profile of another seriously freaky semipro I met here. Both look super normal and very much good girls. One of them doesn't have any tattoos and dresses conservatively in her profile. The girl I'm currently shacked up with is a 21-year-old that has glasses and a super innocent look. Girls that like anal are definitely out there.[/QUOTE]But I do not see you making a comment about it his non-pros. So, answer the following question for all of us to know: [I]what is the personal problem that you have with me[/I]?

Are you not getting your dick sucked enough? Need your ass licked? Just take more trips to Colombia and get your needs met at whatever price point you can afford. Figure out a way to make more money (Like I do so I can hire a private driver instead of taking the bus) and use it to fund your trips to Colombia. Because if you took the same time and effort you use to respond to my posts and focused it on making more money, you would be able to take more trips to Colombia in order to hire more prostitutes to satisfy you. In my humble opinion, you will have less sexual frustration. And you won't have to express that frustration by attacking others in this thread. You will find more happiness in your life overall. LOL!

I just got back from Medellin yesterday. What you doing? Banging on your keyboard from where ever you happen to be. I know that is not in Colombia. If I was in Colombia right now I would not be responding to your posts. LOL!

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2838199]Read Zeos1's post again. He said [B]most[/B] guys have nothing to offer to a girl 30 or 40 years younger, other than money in exchange for sex. I totally agree with Zeos and I wrote about it multiple times in my posts. On top of that, a man and a woman that are 2 generations apart have very little, if anything, in common to build a relationship.[/QUOTE]You even typed it in and failed to understand what you typed. "Most. " Do you need a dictionary? And since you "totally agree", then you obviously mean that it doesn't apply to everyone. Or is that something else you typed, yet didn't understand?

Actually, most guys fail to realize how much they have to offer. They fail to recognize their own value. Surely you understand that. After all, you've gone through your entire adult life thinking that the only way a woman would have sex with you is if you either agree to marry her or pay her. Although it seems unlikely, it's possible you have more to offer than just money.

Funny thing, a few months back, shortly after my relationship became your obsession, I posted a long list of the things 2 people might have in common, regardless of age. If I remember correctly, you had no response.

Also, to be clear, at least 3 different ways you've defined "a relationship" and each time I've met your definition.

[QUOTE]Now, you are saying that you agree with his statement, at the same time you claim to be in a relationship with her, meaning no sex for money. Which means, you are bragging about having a GF, while other dudes of your age do pay for sex. The photo you posted (which I assume is your GF) only proves that. This is so fucked up to post a half naked photo of your GF on a public mongering forum and is nothing but bragging.[/QUOTE]Nope. Not bragging about having a GF. Anyone who wants one, provided they have more social skills than celery, can get themselves a GF. Most guys here don't want one. Can't say that I blame them. GF's are generally more trouble than they're worth.

What's wrong with the picture? Earlier you claimed she was fat, ugly AF, or couldn't get any other guy (in one of the many posts where you stated I was in a relationship). Would you say your assessment was correct? Which is it? Is she fat? Ugly AF? Would you say she can't get another guy? Break tradition. Do something you've never done before. Be honest. What's your opinion?

I understand your obsession with this now. Completely. I'll ignore the hypocrisy of you calling anyone out for bragging. Although it's worth mentioning again, for all of your bragging about getting the best girls, working harder and paying more, the only girls you've been able to get are the ones who barely meet your minimum standards. Mami'sBoy es celoso. That's Spanish. It means you're jealous.

[B]Private Driver[/B] (that how I roll), Use an app for one of the driving services, taxi or take the bus. It is really a personal choice is it not. Man Law 101: Says no man should be telling another man how to spend his hard earned money, who they should be fucking or worrying about someone's dick other than their own. I see a lot of repeat offenders of this is law.

Anyone who wants to meet me in Medellin and have a discussion man-to-man just send me a PM and let's set it up. I am in Medellin frequently. Until then they need to STFU and take the bus and use the savings to buy a bottle or two in Dufry before they leave the airport. LOL!

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2835347]I fly in late often into Medellin and have seen this scenario played out over and over. There will be 1-2 cars and neither driver will budge off 120 k. So you either pay it or take the bus.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2838270]You even typed it in and failed to understand what you typed. "Most. " Do you need a dictionary? And since you "totally agree", then you obviously mean that it doesn't apply to everyone. Or is that something else you typed, yet didn't understand?

Actually, most guys fail to realize how much they have to offer. They fail to recognize their own value. Surely you understand that. After all, you've gone through your entire adult life thinking that the only way a woman would have sex with you is if you either agree to marry her or pay her. Although it seems unlikely, it's possible you have more to offer than just money.

Funny thing, a few months back, shortly after my relationship became your obsession, I posted a long list of the things 2 people might have in common, regardless of age. If I remember correctly, you had no response.

Also, to be clear, at least 3 different ways you've defined "a relationship" and each time I've met your definition.

Nope. Not bragging about having a GF. Anyone who wants one, provided they have more social skills than celery, can get themselves a GF. Most guys here don't want one. Can't say that I blame them. GF's are generally more trouble than they're worth.

What's wrong with the picture? Earlier you claimed she was fat, ugly AF, or couldn't get any other guy (in one of the many posts where you stated I was in a relationship). Would you say your assessment was correct? Which is it? Is she fat? Ugly AF? Would you say she can't get another guy? Break tradition. Do something you've never done before. Be honest. What's your opinion?

I understand your obsession with this now. Completely. I'll ignore the hypocrisy of you calling anyone out for bragging. Although it's worth mentioning again, for all of your bragging about getting the best girls, working harder and paying more, the only girls you've been able to get are the ones who barely meet your minimum standards. Mami'sBoy es celoso. That's Spanish. It means you're jealous.[/QUOTE]Jealous of what? I would be jealous if I wanted something that you have. Your GF is below my minimum standards, and she doesn't look like a competing athlete / dancer. I have zero interest in meeting her, dating her or fucking her, with or without money. And since I don't want her, I can't be jealous.

I actually can't recall you posting her photos before, and can't remember trashing her, calling her ugly af or fat, what I did say is that she probably couldn't not get anyone better and was not in demand. The picture you posted proves my point, she is just average or even below average.

Speaking of my standards, they are quite high. I'm very selective. Yes most of the girls that I scored were in the 7 to 8 range, but 7 to 8 on the 1-10 scale is not average. So, no, I don't fuck average women. True 9's and 10's are extremely difficult to find and score, and fucking 10's is not my ultimate goal. Any girl above 8 would be a great success for me, and my goal is to fuck as many 8+ as possible. Someone can use the same scale 1-10, but have lower minimum standards, let's say 5 is the minimum. Fucking 5's and 6's might be a success for him, but if you look at a bigger picture, all he does is fucks average women. Nothing wrong with that, as long as he is not being delusional and realizes that he is getting average chicks, because he can't score the hot ones.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2838361][B]Private Driver[/B] (that how I roll), Use an app for one of the driving services, taxi or take the bus. It is really a personal choice is it not. Man Law 101: Says no man should be telling another man how to spend his hard earned money, who they should be fucking or worrying about someone's dick other than their own. I see a lot of repeat offenders of this is law.

Anyone who wants to meet me in Medellin and have a discussion man-to-man just send me a PM and let's set it up. I am in Medellin frequently. Until then they need to STFU and take the bus and use the savings to buy a bottle or two in Dufry before they leave the airport. LOL![/QUOTE]I did not think the assholery of Elvis could be exceeded, but you, sir, are truly a complete asshole with zero redeeming features.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2838421]
Speaking of my standards, they are quite high. I'm very selective[/QUOTE]Man, you are just such a stud.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2838421]Jealous of what?[/QUOTE]That is a good question. Why would anyone be jealous of someone paying to fuck? So a friend tells me he just fucked a prostitute that was a 9. Really, give me her number and tell me how much you're paid and I will fuck her too. LOL!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2838421]Speaking of my standards, they are quite high. I'm very selective. Yes most of the girls that I scored were in the 7 to 8 range, but 7 to 8 on the 1-10 scale is not average.[/QUOTE]Shouldn't you have written that you are very selective of the prostitutes that you pay to fuck. I agree, that if you are paying you should fuck the type of girl you want to fuck. It's your dick! But it is no achievement.

If you lead with money. Anyone who has the money can fuck her. Are you telling me that your prostitutes are equally selective and therefore choose you for your manly qualities and it has nothing to do with the cash your were willing to pay her?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2838450]Man, you are just such a stud.[/QUOTE]You need to stop riding the dick of [B]MiamiBoy[/B] . He has 7's and 8's that he is paying to ride it. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. And how about you both post a trip report while while engaging in your mutual admiration society with each other.

[I]"Renegade, never been afraid to say
What's on my mind at any given time of day
'Cause I'm a renegade"[/I] - [B]Jay-Z feat. Emimem[/B], Renegade.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2838361][B]Private Driver[/B] (that how I roll), Use an app for one of the driving services, taxi or take the bus. It is really a personal choice is it not. Man Law 101: Says no man should be telling another man how to spend his hard earned money, who they should be fucking or worrying about someone's dick other than their own. I see a lot of repeat offenders of this is law.

Anyone who wants to meet me in Medellin and have a discussion man-to-man just send me a PM and let's set it up. I am in Medellin frequently. Until then they need to STFU and take the bus and use the savings to buy a bottle or two in Dufry before they leave the airport. LOL![/QUOTE]Lmao you just another washed up old dude in Medellin cosplaying as a rich westerner. Relax, we all know your big financial windfall came when your parents passed away.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2838421]my goal is to fuck as many 8+ as possible. Someone can use the same scale 1-10, but have lower minimum standards, let's say 5 is the minimum. Fucking 5's and 6's might be a success for him, but if you look at a bigger picture, all he does is fucks average women. Nothing wrong with that, as long as he is not being delusional and realizes that he is getting average chicks, because he can't score the hot ones.[/QUOTE]Why do you assume he can't because he doesn't? Maybe his goal is not the same as yours. What is your secret for doing it besides paying the money? It seems he could pay his money to do it just as well, unless you are using some stand alone skill that only you and a select few possess in order to do it. Take away the money aspect, are you still able to do it? I can walk into a hoarhouse and pay any chick there. Whether it is the 1 or the 10, I do not need to do anything special other than hand over the money.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2838503]
You need to stop riding the dick of MiamiBoy. He has 7's and 8's that he is paying to ride it, Renegade.[/QUOTE]He originally wrote 6's and 7's but has since changed his objective evaluation to 7's and 8's, when it was pointed out to him he was paying big bucks to bang avge girls. He also said he had only ever banged one 8. What else? Oh yeah, he said you got to have game to get the stunners. Clearly smthg he doesn't have since he doesn't get them.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2838675]He originally wrote 6's and 7's but has since changed his objective evaluation to 7's and 8's, when it was pointed out to him he was paying big bucks to bang avge girls. He also said he had only ever banged one 8. What else? Oh yeah, he said you got to have game to get the stunners. Clearly smthg he doesn't have since he doesn't get them.[/QUOTE]I never paid big bucks to bang average girls. Why would I? I haven't fucked girls below 7 in a very long time, and those below 7 that I fucked initially while checking out the scene / venues, were quite cheap. I got what I paid for. I never said I only banged one 8. I said I never banged a 10, but 8's and 9's yes, quite a few of them, it's just the % of the stunners relative to the total number of girls that I banged is low, which is explainable. I just don't see many stunners that I could possibly hit on, both online and offline.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2838644]Why do you assume he can't because he doesn't? Maybe his goal is not the same as yours. What is your secret for doing it besides paying the money? It seems he could pay his money to do it just as well, unless you are using some stand alone skill that only you and a select few possess in order to do it. Take away the money aspect, are you still able to do it? I can walk into a hoarhouse and pay any chick there. Whether it is the 1 or the 10, I do not need to do anything special other than hand over the money.[/QUOTE]There is no secret, and it is not a rocket science. I dress well, smell good. Keep my body in shape. I take advantage of my younger age. I show them good time, nice places, restaurants, etc. I don't penny pinch. Treat them like normal girls, respect their boundaries. Money helps in two ways - 1. To speed up the process of getting laid, If I have limited time or just want a guaranteed thing. 2. Helps to cover the age / looks gap. I'm not talking about working girls at a hoarhouse (they are not of my interest), where all you need is to have money and not be overly drunk / obnoxious.

I have buddies who fuck 5's and 6's all the time, and are okay with that. I have no problem with that either. Some have limited budget, some lack self-confidence, some are lazy or just want a guaranteed quick fuck, some just have lower standards. It doesn't really matter why they choose to fuck average women. What matters is that they realize they get what they pay for, they understand that the women they fuck are average, they know that better looking girls require more money, time, effort, which they are not willing to invest. They roll how they want, and don't attack others saying you mfs are overpaying, your girls are plastic, my girls are of the same quality as yours but much cheaper, etc. Just being fucking realistic.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2838731]They roll how they want, and don't attack others saying you mfs are overpaying, your girls are plastic, my girls are of the same quality as yours but much cheaper, etc. [/QUOTE]You don't attack others. Have you read some of the replies that you written to me?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2838202]Only 4 girls? Make it 10, or better yet, 15. Pussy is pussy, why pay 200 mil when you can save and pay 50 mil? El Centro got the meat you want. Cheap Charlie paradise. Oh wait, I though you had a GF?

BTW, do you realize you can have a driver meet you at the airport upon your arrival? Yes, genius, not only taxi drivers drop your ass off at the airport, they also can pick your ass up.

You make enough money to have a driver show IP to take you to the airport, but apparently not enough to arrange a transfer from the airport and to not complain about 30-40 mil /7 bucks overcharge.[/QUOTE]The process you describe is the process to get regular non-pros. I am not interested in taking a girl out and investing time in them and to STILL pay to fuck them. That just does not make any sense to me. But if you like it, then I love it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2838644]Why do you assume he can't because he doesn't? Maybe his goal is not the same as yours. What is your secret for doing it besides paying the money? It seems he could pay his money to do it just as well, unless you are using some stand alone skill that only you and a select few possess in order to do it. Take away the money aspect, are you still able to do it? I can walk into a hoarhouse and pay any chick there. Whether it is the 1 or the 10, I do not need to do anything special other than hand over the money.[/QUOTE]MiamiBoy does not fuck prostitutes from brothels, his prostitutes are special. They need special care. And they are selective of him because of his superior physical appearance and care for them. He is younger but still needs the money to cover the age gap. I don't use this word lightly, but it sounds like SIMPing in the worst way if your are doing all of this just so you can pay a prostitute to fuck her. I bet that after he busts his nut, the girl he has fucked takes a WhatsApp message or phone call and go right on to the next client, even if the next client does not do all the things that [I]Mr. Lover Lover Miamiboy does.[/I] It is certainly good to be him. LOL!

At least he is not spending the extra 30000-40000 COP to get from the airport his apartment so he can get his fuck on like me with my girlfriend. [B]BOOYAO![/B].

Just curious MB, . When I go to a club, I stand at the bar and have a couple of beers. I search for a girl that I think will be the best fuck. I am not looking for blemishes on shoulder blades, smudges of mascara, or ability to quote Kant. I must admit that I am conscience to choose a girl that is attractive (in my eyes), but most important is that I think she will be a good fuck. In this way I tend to fuck girls that score 3 out of 3 on my score card. I. e. Great. Just as important, I tend to get laid frequently, which is also important to me as I get frustrated if I go home without having had sex. I usually find someone in the first bar, then almost certainly by any second bar. And all are the same price, regardless of looks.

So what do you do? I get the impression that you must go home empty handed quite frequently. Doesn't that frustrate you? Maybe that evens up how much we spend. You spend a lot and have sex infrequently, I spend little but have sex frequently. You suffer frustration, I don't.

I could be completely wrong; I accept that. Maybe you can tell me. Thanks.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2838747]Just curious MB, . When I go to a club, I stand at the bar and have a couple of beers. I search for a girl that I think will be the best fuck. I am not looking for blemishes on shoulder blades, smudges of mascara, or ability to quote Kant. I must admit that I am conscience to choose a girl that is attractive (in my eyes), but most important is that I think she will be a good fuck. In this way I tend to fuck girls that score 3 out of 3 on my score card. I. e. Great. Just as important, I tend to get laid frequently, which is also important to me as I get frustrated if I go home without having had sex. I usually find someone in the first bar, then almost certainly by any second bar. And all are the same price, regardless of looks.

So what do you do? I get the impression that you must go home empty handed quite frequently. Doesn't that frustrate you? Maybe that evens up how much we spend. You spend a lot and have sex infrequently, I spend little but have sex frequently. You suffer frustration, I don't.

I could be completely wrong; I accept that. Maybe you can tell me. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I try not to visit places with working girls, but when I do, I'm okay with going home empty handed (which happens more often than not) if I did not find a girl that I wanted to fuck. I'm not desperate to get laid. Therefore no frustration, but rather a slight disappointment. I prefer quality over quantity. Also, I'm not a weekend warrior, and have some time at my disposal that I'm willing to invest in finding the girls that I like.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2838751]I try not to visit places with working girls.[/QUOTE]Ah yes. The mythical semi pros. We get it. Rock on, dude.

[QUOTE=Mtndumb704;2838601]Lmao you just another washed up old dude in Medellin cosplaying as a rich westerner.[/QUOTE]I am glad you find my posts entertaining. I make you laugh. And that is a good thing. I take a shower most days. I use soap. I enjoy a good haircut and straight razor shave. So, I do stay washed up in order to not be off-putting to the Colombianas as they are very particular about hygiene. Kudos to you. You have figured me out without ever meeting me or knowing ANYONE who knows me. Never been in to COSPLAYING unless you're referring to having my girls dress up in different outfits to appease my sexual fetishes.

Anyone who actually knows me knows that although I am not rich. I don't need to take the bus in order to pay for the alcohol that I like. You need to chill. If you need to do that, or you just do it cause you are a cheep Charlie, I am fine with that. DOWHATCHALIKE my fellow ISG brother. If you like it, then I love it. LOL!

I don't make travel announcements. I don't stay in El Poblado or Laureles (gringolandia). Can't afford it. You can as you are posting about your stays there. But more importantly, I don't need to. My Spanish is on point. I don't need help or handholding like you do.

I have made some excellent friends by meeting my fellow ISG brothers in person. It is where I get my best information. Fuck reading a board. I got brothers with boots on the ground giving me information. Shout out to all of them. And if you see me in Medellin, you better remember that cooperation is always better than confrontation.

BTW: [I]The Ron Viejo de Caldas 15 is a excellent bottle. A bit weak for my personal tastes at 37% ABV so it does not mix so well, but excellent sipper with or without a cigar.[/I].

Nah Bro. I don't got the hate deep in my soul like you, [B]ELVIS 2008[/B] and [B]MiamiBOY[/B]. The only practice I engage in is peace. I am at peace with myself and all others. Until someone puts their hands on me. Then they have shown that they want a battle and I am ready for war. Remember that!

[QUOTE=Mtndumb704;2838601]Relax, we all know your big financial windfall came when your parents passed away.[/QUOTE]This one of the most disrespectful things I have seen written on ISG. You are talking about the parents of another man dying. You must be a child. I don't even like you. But I would never bring your parents into it. Just shows your level of emotional and intellectually poverty. I recommend self help books to help you stop projecting your self loathing onto others in your posts here.

Maybe I need to relax. I just took my blood pressure and it is a little high. But I haven't taken my blood pressure medicine this morning. Some of us old guys have to do that. And since I have managed to get old in in the first place, then I have something more valuable than money passed on from our parents (didn't get any). I have wisdom.

You should hope to live as long as I have. And I plan too live a lot longer but it is not up to me. I wish you a long life too. And you might have it if you stop writing checks with your fingers from behind your screen that your ass can't cash IRL. I am waiting for your PM.

You are a young guy that comes to Colombia to pay for pussy. Really? No judgments. But I didn't pay for any pussy until I was 50 years old. I got plenty of it in the (Dis) United States of America and around the world. When I was young I would have considered that the easy way out. No fun in that. No sport. Nah, brother the satisfaction of talking a girl out of her panties and getting into that mouth, pussy and ass when I was young was way more satisfying that paying for it now that I am old (no matter what DMFs up in want to brag about getting prostitutes with a high numeric attractiveness value in their own eyes). Closest that I can get to that thrill of my youth is to enjoying that young pussy while requiring that they bring something additional to the table like, helping me maneuver through the health system. That is what my girlfriend does. But DMFs like yourself simply do not understand this cause you have given up on one of the greatest challenges of being a real men by just paying for pussy. Now if you can talk a girl out of her panties and just goto prostitutes because at this point in your life it is easy then apologies to you my man in advance.

I hope you rest more comfortably making up in your head what you want to believe about me. And writing about it here. I'm not getting my posts deleted because they are inappropriate like you are. I understand your are a [B]ELVIS 2008[/B] girly men. Following in his footsteps are ya? Eh? He is at least smart enough to have stopped the back and forth here in the [B]Stupid Shit in Medellin[/B] thread and is focusing now on actually sharing information on having sex with girls.

You want to accuse me of lying on my dick? I got nearly ten years of posting and 4 times the number of posts you do. [B]Mr. E[/B] and I have had words from the moment I started posting on ISG. And yet over the years Mr. E has never accused me of being a lier or engaged in the low blow attacks that the Medellin crew of critics (McCoC) have. It speaks to his character and the lack thereof of the MCoC.

[B]Pussy is Pussy[/B]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2838727]I never paid big bucks to bang average girls. Why would I? I haven't fucked girls below 7 in a very long time, and those below 7 that I fucked initially while checking out the scene / venues, were quite cheap. I got what I paid for. I never said I only banged one 8. I said I never banged a 10, but 8's and 9's yes, quite a few of them, it's just the % of the stunners relative to the total number of girls that I banged is low, which is explainable. I just don't see many stunners that I could possibly hit on, both online and offline.[/QUOTE]Remember when I asked you to, for once in your life, be honest? Can't do it, can you?

I'm not digging up the post, but this is what you said:

You have "maybe had 1 who was a 9, and maybe 4 or 5 who were 8's. ".

That's either equal to or 1 greater than the number of fingers on one hand. "Quite a few" really doesn't seem appropriate, especially when you led off with "6's and 7's, hundreds of them. " As JustTK pointed out, once it was pointed out, you changed your story to hundreds of 7's and only a few 6's. Was that "quite a few" 6's (5 or 6), or just a few (3 or 4)?

But that's without addressing the qualifier, "maybe. ".

You stated you've never had a 10, but maybe a single 9. Most likely the maybe 9 was an 8. For someone so obsessed with the 1-10 scale, either you suck at using it (due to the "maybe") or you exaggerated because your self-esteem issues can't handle admitting the truth.

The same works with the 4 or 5 who were maybe 8's. Either you're uncertain what an 8 is supposed to look like, or you boosted 7's to 8's to avoid facing your inability to live up to your boasts.

At this point, I doubt if there are many who believe you've ever hit above a 7, and it's possible, you've rarely topped 6, on the scale you want everyone else to use.

If you want "stunners", but rarely find any "stunners", why are you wasting your money? Within your scale, as you've explained it, there are 4 levels, unacceptable (1-6), acceptable (7), stunner (8-9) and perfect (10). Yet, only 1-2% of the time, at best, do you get anything above acceptable (and that's only if your word can be trusted, which, by boosting 5-6 to "quite a few", you've shown to be a bad bet).

Either you're doing things completely wrong, or your doing it in the wrong place. For example, if I see a "stunner", and I want that stunner, then I get her. If I want one, but don't see any, then I look elsewhere.

What I don't do is brag incessantly about searching for, finding and getting stunners, when all I'm really doing is dreaming about stunners and only getting women who barely meet my standards.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2838866]I am glad you find my posts entertaining. I make you laugh. And that is a good thing. I take a shower most days. I use soap. I enjoy a good haircut and straight razor shave. So, I do stay washed up in order to not be off-putting to the Colombianas as they are very particular about hygiene. Kudos to you. You have figured me out without ever meeting me or knowing ANYONE who knows me. Never been in to COSPLAYING unless you're referring to having my girls dress up in different outfits to appease my sexual fetishes.

Anyone who actually knows me knows that although I am not rich. I don't need to take the bus in order to pay for the alcohol that I like. You need to chill. If you need to do that, or you just do it cause you are a cheep Charlie, I am fine with that. DOWHATCHALIKE my fellow ISG brother. If you like it, then I love it. LOL!

I don't make travel announcements. I don't stay in El Poblado or Laureles (gringolandia). Can't afford it. You can as you are posting about your stays there. But more importantly, I don't need to. My Spanish is on point. I don't need help or handholding like you do.

I have made some excellent friends by meeting my fellow ISG brothers in person. It is where I get my best information. Fuck reading a board. I got brothers with boots on the ground giving me information. Shout out to all of them. And if you see me in Medellin, you better remember that cooperation is always better than confrontation.

BTW: [I]The Ron Viejo de Caldas 15 is a excellent bottle. A bit weak for my personal tastes at 37% ABV so it does not mix so well, but excellent sipper with or without a cigar.[/I].

Nah Bro. I don't got the hate deep in my soul like you, [B]ELVIS 2008[/B] and [B]MiamiBOY[/B]. The only practice I engage in is peace. I am at peace with myself and all others. Until someone puts their hands on me. Then they have shown that they want a battle and I am ready for war. Remember that!

This one of the most disrespectful things I have seen written on ISG. You are talking about the parents of another man dying. You must be a child. I don't even like you. But I would never bring your parents into it. Just shows your level of emotional and intellectually poverty. I recommend self help books to help you stop projecting your self loathing onto others in your posts here.

Maybe I need to relax. I just took my blood pressure and it is a little high. But I haven't taken my blood pressure medicine this morning. Some of us old guys have to do that. And since I have managed to get old in in the first place, then I have something more valuable than money passed on from our parents (didn't get any). I have wisdom.

You should hope to live as long as I have. And I plan too live a lot longer but it is not up to me. I wish you a long life too. And you might have it if you stop writing checks with your fingers from behind your screen that your ass can't cash IRL. I am waiting for your PM.

You are a young guy that comes to Colombia to pay for pussy. Really? No judgments. But I didn't pay for any pussy until I was 50 years old. I got plenty of it in the (Dis) United States of America and around the world. When I was young I would have considered that the easy way out. No fun in that. No sport. Nah, brother the satisfaction of talking a girl out of her panties and getting into that mouth, pussy and ass when I was young was way more satisfying that paying for it now that I am old (no matter what DMFs up in want to brag about getting prostitutes with a high numeric attractiveness value in their own eyes). Closest that I can get to that thrill of my youth is to enjoying that young pussy while requiring that they bring something additional to the table like, helping me maneuver through the health system. That is what my girlfriend does. But DMFs like yourself simply do not understand this cause you have given up on one of the greatest challenges of being a real men by just paying for pussy. Now if you can talk a girl out of her panties and just goto prostitutes because at this point in your life it is easy then apologies to you my man in advance.

I hope you rest more comfortably making up in your head what you want to believe about me. And writing about it here. I'm not getting my posts deleted because they are inappropriate like you are. I understand your are a [B]ELVIS 2008[/B] girly men. Following in his footsteps are ya? Eh? He is at least smart enough to have stopped the back and forth here in the [B]Stupid Shit in Medellin[/B] thread and is focusing now on actually sharing information on having sex with girls.

You want to accuse me of lying on my dick? I got nearly ten years of posting and 4 times the number of posts you do. [B]Mr. E[/B] and I have had words from the moment I started posting on ISG. And yet over the years Mr. E has never accused me of being a lier or engaged in the low blow attacks that the Medellin crew of critics (McCoC) have. It speaks to his character and the lack thereof of the MCoC.

[B]Pussy is Pussy[/B][/QUOTE]I guarantee you will be to scared to ever meet up with me.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2838951]Remember when I asked you to, for once in your life, be honest? Can't do it, can you?

I'm not digging up the post, but this is what you said:

You have "maybe had 1 who was a 9, and maybe 4 or 5 who were 8's. ".

That's either equal to or 1 greater than the number of fingers on one hand. "Quite a few" really doesn't seem appropriate, especially when you led off with "6's and 7's, hundreds of them. " As JustTK pointed out, once it was pointed out, you changed your story to hundreds of 7's and only a few 6's. Was that "quite a few" 6's (5 or 6), or just a few (3 or 4)?

But that's without addressing the qualifier, "maybe. ".

You stated you've never had a 10, but maybe a single 9. Most likely the maybe 9 was an 8. For someone so obsessed with the 1-10 scale, either you suck at using it (due to the "maybe") or you exaggerated because your self-esteem issues can't handle admitting the truth.

The same works with the 4 or 5 who were maybe 8's. Either you're uncertain what an 8 is supposed to look like, or you boosted 7's to 8's to avoid facing your inability to live up to your boasts.

At this point, I doubt if there are many who believe you've ever hit above a 7, and it's possible, you've rarely topped 6, on the scale you want everyone else to use.

If you want "stunners", but rarely find any "stunners", why are you wasting your money? Within your scale, as you've explained it, there are 4 levels, unacceptable (1-6), acceptable (7), stunner (8-9) and perfect (10). Yet, only 1-2% of the time, at best, do you get anything above acceptable (and that's only if your word can be trusted, which, by boosting 5-6 to "quite a few", you've shown to be a bad bet).

Either you're doing things completely wrong, or your doing it in the wrong place. For example, if I see a "stunner", and I want that stunner, then I get her. If I want one, but don't see any, then I look elsewhere.

What I don't do is brag incessantly about searching for, finding and getting stunners, when all I'm really doing is dreaming about stunners and only getting women who barely meet my standards.[/QUOTE]The word "maybe" refers to the number of girls, not the scale / ratings. I don't have a spreadsheet that says in 2019 I fucked X 8's, why 7's or Z 9's. I don't keep track of all the girls I have fucked over the years. Some girls I still do remember, others I do not. I have to go through all the pics stored on my iCloud to count them more accurately. I'm sure that "quite a few" is more than 4 or 5, maybe 10, maybe more. Again, I don't keep track. And it doesn't matter if I had 4 or 10 or 15 8's and above, the point I was trying to make is that whatever that number is, I consider it low relative to the total number of girls I have ever fucked. But the stunners I had were all worth the time, money and effort spent.

Your "stunner" example refers to a casa / strip club setting, where you point at a girl, pay, fuck, and leave. In most other settings, offline or online, you can't just point at a stunner and fuck her guaranteed. You have to stand out, outbid other mongers, interest the girl. And obviously, you have to know what a stunner looks like in order to identify her in the first place, and in order to do that, you have to have a good taste in women. For some El Centro rats any average looking chick is a stunner, because they don't know any better.

You are trying to question my ability to score 7's, let alone 8's and 9's and paint me as a loser who fucks girls that barely meet his minimum standards. What if my minimum standard was 8/10? Would I be considered a loser fucking 8's? And how would I compare vs someone whose minimum standard is 5/10?

You haven't seen any of the girls that I fucked, so you have no clue about their quality. I have seen the pic of your GF, and she is just meh. Any idiot gringo can get a girl of her caliber / attractiveness, with minimal effort, time and money. So, keep dreaming about fucking stunners, while I will be slowly but surely fucking more and more of them.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2838449]I did not think the assholery of Elvis could be exceeded, but you, sir, are truly a complete asshole with zero redeeming features.[/QUOTE][URL]https://assholeconsulting.com/[/URL]

Want to be lied to? Hire a regular consultant. Want the truth? Hire an asshole.

When you're sick and tired of paying people $400 an hour to spare your feelings and make you feel good, and you finally decide you want to start solving your problems, it's time to contact Asshole Consulting. At Asshole Consulting we just plain don't have the patience to kiss your ass and guess what you want us to tell you. Instead, we're going to tell you what we think and don't give a shit if that pisses you off. And yes, we're going to charge you for it.

End of quote.

Hey, Haucho, how did you live your life when Covid struck? And how much did you pay a consultant to say you were smart with how you handled the pandemic and pump sunshine up your ass? Maybe you got a better deal and only paid $300 an hour.

Look on the bright side. You are getting asshole consulting from me for free.

And of all the stupid shit on here about Covid, and there was gobs and gobs of it, you were literally the dumbest mother fucker on here when it came to living your life with the pandemic. You even outdid super spreader JJBee.

Only reason you call me an asshole is you are too pig headed to admit you are wrong about anything. And if telling the truth makes me an asshole, then so be it. But the biggest insult I can throw back at you is this: whatever I am, I am not you.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2839025]The word "maybe" refers to the number of girls, not the scale / ratings. I don't have a spreadsheet that says in 2019 I fucked X 8's, why 7's or Z 9's. I don't keep track of all the girls I have fucked over the years. Some girls I still do remember, others I do not. I have to go through all the pics stored on my iCloud to count them more accurately. I'm sure that "quite a few" is more than 4 or 5, maybe 10, maybe more. Again, I don't keep track. And it doesn't matter if I had 4 or 10 or 15 8's and above, the point I was trying to make is that whatever that number is, I consider it low relative to the total number of girls I have ever fucked. But the stunners I had were all worth the time, money and effort spent.

Your "stunner" example refers to a casa / strip club setting, where you point at a girl, pay, fuck, and leave. In most other settings, offline or online, you can't just point at a stunner and fuck her guaranteed. You have to stand out, outbid other mongers, interest the girl. And obviously, you have to know what a stunner looks like in order to identify her in the first place, and in order to do that, you have to have a good taste in women. For some El Centro rats any average looking chick is a stunner, because they don't know any better.[/QUOTE]No. You're considered a loser because you ooze loser with every word. At first you claimed to only go for 9-10, then it was 8-10 then it was 6-10, then 7-10 again, all the while pushing your effort and outbidding to get only the best. You're a loser because it matters so much to you.

Every guy on ISG fucks at the level that makes them happy. Whether that level is with the A list international models, or the bottom of the barrel street girls, doesn't matter at all. Whether they pay 50 k or $500 USD doesn't matter. What matters is, when they're pulling their pants up, are they smiling?

That's because they have self-esteem. They don't need to pretend. They don't need validation. You're a loser because you crave validation, but you can't provide anything to prove you deserve it. You can only make pathetic boasts.

[QUOTE]You haven't seen any of the girls that I fucked, so you have no clue about their quality. I have seen the pic of your GF, and she is just meh. Any idiot gringo can get a girl of her caliber / attractiveness, with minimal effort, time and money. So, keep dreaming about fucking stunners, while I will be slowly but surely fucking more and more of them.[/QUOTE]Has there ever been a post where you got something right, or posted something honest? Surely there must have been at least one, but it's constantly buried by your bullshit.

Your explanation of "maybe" doesn't work. It falls flat on its face with "maybe 1. " One isn't a hard number to keep track of. I've been to St. Thomas, USVI 1 time. Not "maybe 1 time", just once. Had it been 4 or 5 times, "maybe" still doesn't work. Especially when 4 or 5 suddenly jumps to 10, or maybe more. In my example, I've maybe driven across the US / Canada border 1300 times (maybe 650 times each direction). If someone questioned it and 1300 suddenly changed to 600, or 3,000, wouldn't you question the veracity of my claim?

The math for "maybe 1300":

Began crossing twice weekly (2 times in, 2 times out) October 2013, roughly 200 crossings per year for 3 1/2 years (700). Started again October 2019, but took about 14 months off from it. So another 600 or so.

No. My stunner example doesn't apply to a casa or strip club. Only a fool would think that. Fortunately, in that area you're over qualified.

"You have to stand out, outbid other mongers, interest the girl. " Your words.

Although I truly despise the term, SubCmdr is absolutely correct, that's as Simp as Simp can possibly get. Outbid? Outbid? I suppose, if you're only interested in the hardest of the hardened pros that makes sense. They can sense your weakness and drive up the price, while you're floundering trying to impress them with how much you're willing to spend. You let hookers lead you around on a leash, while they decide how much of your money they will take. That's even sadder than your normal pathetic stuff.

Outbid?

When you started with "stand out", it almost seemed you were on the right path, before you jumped to outbid. You do have to stand out, get a girl's interest, but you won't get it by waving money. All you'll get is her price, and you'll always have to "outbid" with each girl.

If you can get close enough to say "Hello, online or face to face, you can get almost any girl's interest. Most guys have figured that out by the time they reach your age. It's not hard, but you will need self-esteem. You'll know you have their interest when they stop asking how much you're going to pay.

Of course, if you were dealing with the girls you claim to be dealing with, inexperienced, educated, self-sufficient, then you never would have said "oubid. " Those are the girls who still believe they'll find their "Principe Azul" (Blue Prince, Prince Charming, their fairy tale "happily ever after" Trying to outbid is a complete turn-off. Instead of being someone special, you're just another gringo buying pussy.

At least with the "meh", you're keeping true to form. I posted a pic of a girl awhile back, which I believe you rated a 7, higher if her teeth were straight. Now you rate a girl "meh", when you can't even see her face. In the first case, there was no way to tell if her teeth are straight (although they are), so you pointed out a non-existent flaw, because your self-esteem is already curled up in a ball in the corner.

Go ahead, get into your iCloud. Show us what a stunner looks like. I would say it's time to put your money where your mouth is, bit since your head is permanently up your ass, that wouldn't be a good idea.

Or you can show us pictures of the girls who won't respond to your messages again.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2839384]Want to be lied to? Hire a regular consultant. Want the truth? Hire an asshole.[/QUOTE]Exactly why chicks say I am an asshole, because I do not kiss up to them. I tell them the hard truth.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2839386]

Go ahead, get into your iCloud. Show us what a stunner looks like. I would say it's time to put your money where your mouth is, bit since your head is permanently up your ass, that wouldn't be a good idea.

Or you can show us pictures of the girls who won't respond to your messages again.[/QUOTE]MB, find some obscure super model photo or beauty queen and post it here and say you are fucking her. Then watch as jealous MFs like JJBee put her down as average. It might be good for a laugh.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2839384]
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And of all the stupid shit on here about Covid, and there was gobs and gobs of it, you were literally the dumbest mother fucker on here when it came to living your life with the pandemic. You even outdid super spreader JJBee.[/QUOTE]So, when you are talking about the gobs and gobs of stupid shit about CoVid are you recalling the dipshit who said that CoVid wouid never account for more than 80,000 deaths in the United States? Oh wait a minute, who was that? Oh yeah! It was none other than Elvis, the world's foremost authority on everything past, present and future. Oh well I guess that was just an off day, right Elvi?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2839384]Only reason you call me an asshole is you are too pig headed to admit you are wrong about anything. And if telling the truth makes me an asshole, then so be it. But the biggest insult I can throw back at you is this: whatever I am, I am not you.[/QUOTE]Well, I think the reason he calls you an asshole is, wait for it, because you are an asshole. You have the analytical skill of a child and yet you feel compelled to criticize everyone here. I recently commended you for getting something right. Afterall after hundreds and hundreds of posts which were nothing but bluster, blather and bullshit, you finally make a salient point. But having gotten one thing right in hundreds (maybe thousands) of tries I was wondering if it was a typo, an accident or God forbid, you were turning over a new leaf. Well, I didn't have to wait long to see the old Elvis back at it. So, yes Elvis, Huacho described you to a tee.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2839426]MB, find some obscure super model photo or beauty queen and post it here and say you are fucking her. Then watch as jealous MFs like JJBee put her down as average. It might be good for a laugh.[/QUOTE]Nah, I'm not posting shit. Don't need his or anyone else's validation. I only share pics with the guys that I know and trust. I think I got to stop posting in this thread, simply because I have said enough and there is not much new to add, the debate between me and jjbee and his fans is getting old.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2839426]MB, find some obscure super model photo or beauty queen and post it here and say you are fucking her. Then watch as jealous MFs like JJBee put her down as average. It might be good for a laugh.[/QUOTE]You mean he should follow your playbook? Post pics of average girls and claim they are beauty queens, supermodels, or (and this was my favorite) claim they have zero percent body fat, even though the picture shows a girl with an ass that would send Sir Mix A Lot back to the studio?

I guess an honest, response is too much to expect from either of you.

Yeah everyone was well entertained when Osteoknot was reporting from el centro Medellin.

Anyone know what happened with him?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2839604]Nah, I'm not posting shit. Don't need his or anyone else's validation. I only share pics with the guys that I know and trust. I think I got to stop posting in this thread, simply because I have said enough and there is not much new to add, the debate between me and jjbee and his fans is getting old.[/QUOTE]Good call!

When your 1 and only supporter, Elvissist, is so absolutely certain that you've never managed to bang a hooker who rates above average that he suggests you lie about it, it's best to just crawl away in shame.

I have fans now? Wow! You do understand that if I have fans it's because at some point I've done something worthy of their respect? Don't worry. You can always buy a cheap fan at Walmart.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2838996]I guarantee you will be too scared to ever meet up with me.[/QUOTE]You can't guarantee [B]shit[/B]! I just checked my Private Messages and I have not received one from you. Send me one and we will set up the meeting. Otherwise STFU!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2839935] I guess an honest, response is too much to expect from either of you.[/QUOTE]And this is why you are a narcissist. You think you are being honest when you cannot even make up your mind what I said. Am I posting photos of average looking women? Or did I say to post a rare beauty and have you make fun of it? And isn't average looking women the same as saying a woman is a 5? I thought you did not do the 1 to 10 scale?

Cue the war and peace novel about how you are honest, insult me when what you post makes no sense, and then write another war and peace novel how the 1 to 10 scale is horrible but saying average is okay. Viliany will come in and defend you. Nounce will make some off the cuff remark pretending to be nice when it is an insult, and Huacho will come in with his name calling.

Wash, rinse, and repeat.

You Medellin morons think you are such hot shit, but the truth is that you are cheap, jealous, boring, and predictable.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2840017]And this is why you are a narcissist. You think you are being honest when you cannot even make up your mind what I said. Am I posting photos of average looking women? Or did I say to post a rare beauty and have you make fun of it? And isn't average looking women the same as saying a woman is a 5? I thought you did not do the 1 to 10 scale?

Cue the war and peace novel about how you are honest, insult me when what you post makes no sense, and then write another war and peace novel how the 1 to 10 scale is horrible but saying average is okay. Viliany will come in and defend you. Nounce will make some off the cuff remark pretending to be nice when it is an insult, and Huacho will come in with his name calling.

Wash, rinse, and repeat.

You Medellin morons think you are such hot shit, but the truth is that you are cheap, jealous, boring, and predictable.[/QUOTE]So true, you forgot angry and bitter!

[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2839990]Yeah everyone was well entertained when Osteoknot was reporting from el centro Medellin.

Anyone know what happened with him?[/QUOTE]Not everyone was entertained by his self-aggrandizing posts.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2840042]Not everyone was entertained by his self-aggrandizing posts.[/QUOTE]But you have to admit he was iconic. Like that one time the ops came after him when he was with a girl and like he jumped out of a window and over a fence to run away half naked. Mate was crazy LOL.

[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2839990]Yeah everyone was well entertained when Osteoknot was reporting from el centro Medellin.

Anyone know what happened with him?[/QUOTE]Gone and good riddance.

[QUOTE=StudPlayer;2839990]Yeah everyone was well entertained when Osteoknot was reporting from el centro Medellin.

Anyone know what happened with him?[/QUOTE]As I recall he posted pretty much every single day and several times each day until about a year ago when he went dark. So "what happened to him" we'll probably never know. But for those of us who travel to MDE this forum is better off without his Penthouse Forum style writings designed to entertain those who don't travel. I much prefer to hear and learn from new travelers sharing both their failures and their successes.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2840059]As I recall he posted pretty much every single day and several times each day until about a year ago when he went dark. So "what happened to him" we'll probably never know. But for those of us who travel to MDE this forum is better off without his Penthouse Forum style writings designed to entertain those who don't travel. I much prefer to hear and learn from new travelers sharing both their failures and their successes.[/QUOTE]I met a BM in Bogota who keeps in touch with him. He made a call when we were cruising the streets of Chapinero and I had a chance to say Hello, a couple of months back.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2840059]As I recall he posted pretty much every single day and several times each day until about a year ago when he went dark. So "what happened to him" we'll probably never know. But for those of us who travel to MDE this forum is better off without his Penthouse Forum style writings designed to entertain those who don't travel. I much prefer to hear and learn from new travelers sharing both their failures and their successes.[/QUOTE]I'm like 99% sure that I think Villiany talks to him outside of ISG. I remember in several posts he mentioned him, not by name but as "a board member who stopped posting on here" if I remember correctly.

Also if you read his last posts before he went dark he posted that he had made it back to the US and was in Florida, so he wasn't killed in Colombia or anything.

I think he just was tired of getting humiliated on here and genuinely stopped posting. Toward the end he was posting weird shit about letting women use furry-tailed butt plugs and dildos on him and alot of other members were talking shit to him about that stuff so I think he just got tired of the negative attention and stopped posting on here.

[B]Asshole[/B] - [I]a stupid, irritating, or contemptible person[/I].

I am trying to figure out why so many posting up in here pride themselves on being "[B]assholes[/B]"? I am just wondering out loud. Do they actually believe that is a redeeming personality characteristic to possess? If so, I think those individuals are showing that their personality is deeply flawed. Real men know how to tell the truth, in a diplomatic fashion while getting their point across. Without attacking the other person. If I am hiring a consultant. I am looking for competence in their field. Examples presented where their advice helped the their clients.

I am glad so many posing up in here self identify as [B]assholes[/B]. For those that value that personality type in their lives, I hope they enjoy them. As far as I am concerned they are not real man role model material. Assholes have no place in my life!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2840017]And isn't average looking women the same as saying a woman is a 5?[/QUOTE]Neither do I subscribe to your number grading system, but now I can understand why you say that I have been fucking chicks that are 5's when I never said such a thing. It is because you do not understand how English works. So no it is not the same!

I am in Colombia right now and the chick I am with is watching news programs on TV. Hosting the shows are average Colombian women. According to you this is saying the women are 5's. But according to every other English speaker this is saying the women look how one would expect others to look who are from the same region they are from. It speaks nothing of a grade of beauty, but speaks of similarity of features with others in the population.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2840151][B]Asshole[/B] - [I]a stupid, irritating, or contemptible person[/I].

I am trying to figure out why so many posting up in here pride themselves on being "[B]assholes[/B]"? I am just wondering out loud. Do they actually believe that is a redeeming personality characteristic to possess? If so, I think those individuals are showing that their personality is deeply flawed.[/QUOTE]It is a subjective term the same as Elvis and MB's 1-10. Your parents considered themselves being protective and great parents when they would not let you do that thing that you wanted to do, but you considered them assholes for not letting you do it. The same thing can be different things to different people. It is a matter of perspective.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2840165]Neither do I subscribe to your number grading system, but now I can understand why you say that I have been fucking chicks that are 5's when I never said such a thing. Hosting the shows are average Colombian women. According to you this is saying the women are 5's. It is because you do not understand how English works.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2840017]
Cue the war and peace novel about how you are honest, insult me when what you post makes no sense, and then write another war and peace novel how the 1 to 10 scale is horrible but saying average is okay. Viliany will come in and defend you. Nounce will make some off the cuff remark pretending to be nice when it is an insult, and Huacho will come in with his name calling.

You Medellin morons think you are such hot shit, but the truth is that you are cheap, jealous, boring, and predictable.[/QUOTE]Sorry, the other predictable Medellin moron response is you making the dumbest comebacks of all time. Where did I say these women were average and 5's? And I don't understand English?

Like this comment, most are so fucking stupid I do not respond to them, but I will this time because you must have felt badly you were not included in the Medellin moron crew. My apologies. Feel better now?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2840268]It is a subjective term the same as Elvis and MB's 1-10. Your parents considered themselves being protective and great parents when they would not let you do that thing that you wanted to do, but you considered them assholes for not letting you do it. The same thing can be different things to different people. It is a matter of perspective.[/QUOTE]You are fucked up! Stop projecting. You might have considered your parents assholes. I never did. And to think I thought you were made of better stuff. My error.

If you and many others want to identify as being assholes and be proud of it, I have no problem with that. But don't put that shit on your parents. That is a quality individuals who self identify as [B]assholes[/B] develop on their own as adults. But it is not and never will be real man role model stuff. A true father is not holding his child and looking at him is not saying "[B]I am going to teach you how to grow up to be an asshole[/B]".

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2840419]With [I]Wingo[/I] you can by a ticket that is changeable without a fee. Please don't try to claim your superior knowledge in a response to me. I have actually done it. All you have to do is pay the difference in price if there is any when you make the [b]change[/b]. And since you are changing it you can pick the fare that is equal to the one you purchased the ticket at. Be careful with the fine print of ANY airline that you are dealing with. ...[/QUOTE]This is the only post has the word wingo in it on this page so I made the assumption. Knowledge is talking about cancellation while you are talking about change. The information would be more complete if we can learn from your current of later post whether wingo offers fully refundable ticket or not.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2840213]Any full service airline (I am excluding the Spirits, wingos, and Frontiers of the world) offers fully refundable tickets. Buy one then [b]cancel[/b] it for a refund after you are done with immigration. You have to pay attention to the difference between "refundable" and "redeemable. " Cost is $0 and the time it takes to click through the purchase page of the airline's web site.[/QUOTE]My impression from reading the post is that Knowledge may not be familiar with the airlines mentioned so he added the qualification but that does not mean they don't offer fully refundable tickets.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2840448]Tinder is like rolling the dice. Let's say 1 out of 1000 is drugged. It could happen at the first date or it could happen at the 1000th date.[/QUOTE]And nothing ever happens to individuals going to El Centro girls. It is perfectly safe. Check out this statement: Flying in commercially in an airplane is like rolling the dice.

[I]According to research by Harvard University, flying in the US, Europe, and Australia is actually significantly safer than driving a car. Your odds of being in an accident during a flight is one in 1.2 million, and the chances of that accident being fatal are one in 11 million. Your chances of dying in a car crash, conversely, are one in 5,000.[/I]How many of you drive cars in your home country?

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2829273]Tinder, tinder. Tinder. So many guys drugged and some killed from Tinder dates. I guess some guys like to live the fast lane without regard to being safe.[/QUOTE]What are the real statistics of individuals being drugged in Medellin or Colombia in general? If [B]Nounce[/B] is being honest with us he will share that information instead of making the WAG of 1 out of 1000 ([U]I know it is a wag because he says "Let's say"[/U]).

The first girl I ever hooked up with in Colombia was a Tinder date. I was not scoped. I live. And I am writing about it right here. Life is not safe. Only if you stay home and watch YouTube videos.

[B]Incomplete knowledge is useless![/B]

But at least you were trying to share information about having sex with girls instead of chit chat in the Medellin Reports section. Thank you so much Mr. Nounce. I truly appreciate your efforts.

[I]Figures show that 20 foreigners have now been found dead in the capital since the start of last year, with many of these coming in strange circumstances.[/I]

[URL]https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1766213/colombia-tourists-dead-medellin-dxus[/URL]

After getting mugged and robbed a few times in El Centro, I now carry a baton at night when I venture out at night. Show me a gun and I will give up my dew pesos. I carry no cell phone at night so they won't get much from me. Yes I know some will say since you don't carry much then why not just give it up if they have a knife? Easy answer I'm tired of this kind of crap so a beat down on them is in order. I worked at a State prison as a Sgt. So these crumbs don't scare me. Of course bring on the negative comments.

Interesting. You've been robbed a few times and yet you still go. Night or Day Please, do tell. It only takes one stab with a knife for you to bleed out. Smart not to carry you phone. I always take my burner phone when I'm out and nothing of value at night. Never walk alone in El Centro.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2850166]After getting mugged and robbed a few times in El Centro, I now carry a baton at night when I venture out at night. Show me a gun and I will give up my dew pesos. I carry no cell phone at night so they won't get much from me. Yes I know some will say since you don't carry much then why not just give it up if they have a knife? Easy answer I'm tired of this kind of crap so a beat down on them is in order. I worked at a State prison as a Sgt. So these crumbs don't scare me. Of course bring on the negative comments.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2850176]Interesting. You've been robbed a few times and yet you still go. Night or Day Please, do tell. It only takes one stab with a knife for you to bleed out. Smart not to carry you phone. I always take my burner phone when I'm out and nothing of value at night. Never walk alone in El Centro.[/QUOTE]Had a homeless looking addict try stealing my burner out of my hand by Parque de bolivar, sun had just gone down. Luckily it was in my jerkoff hand so my death grip prevailed.

If they got a knife or gun they can have it, not worth risking your life over chump change.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2850176]Interesting. You've been robbed a few times and yet you still go. Night or Day Please, do tell. It only takes one stab with a knife for you to bleed out. Smart not to carry you phone. I always take my burner phone when I'm out and nothing of value at night. Never walk alone in El Centro.[/QUOTE]I agree with Dcfan, do not do to Centro alone day or night or take the risk of getting mugged or more. Also, a baton will never win against a knife and you will die, this is bad advice. Do not resist if they show a knife or gun or you will die.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2850166]After getting mugged and robbed a few times in El Centro, I now carry a baton at night when I venture out at night. Show me a gun and I will give up my dew pesos. I carry no cell phone at night so they won't get much from me. Yes I know some will say since you don't carry much then why not just give it up if they have a knife? Easy answer I'm tired of this kind of crap so a beat down on them is in order. I worked at a State prison as a Sgt. So these crumbs don't scare me. Of course bring on the negative comments.[/QUOTE]Is your middle name Danger?

[QUOTE=Combo;2850238]Is your middle name Danger?[/QUOTE]Why in God's name would any sane person be out and about in El Centro at night? It's scary enough at times during the day.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2850241]Why in God's name would any sane person be out and about in El Centro at night? It's scary enough at times during the day.[/QUOTE]Because some sane people are comfortable there and do not find it as scary as you. Maybe you are comfortable in places that other sane people are not. For instance church. I find churches really weird, especially when most people that claim the faith have never read the book (and still would not understand if they did), but I have.

I've been around El Cento day and night for over a week and haven't had any problems. The entire place is deserted on Sunday, and I've had no problems thus far. In the meantime, I reserve rooms at Hotel Alcazar or Hotel Conquistadores to rest.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;2850241]Why in God's name would any sane person be out and about in El Centro at night? It's scary enough at times during the day.[/QUOTE]

Dude, you are in dire need of psychiatric care.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2850166]After getting mugged and robbed a few times in El Centro, I now carry a baton at night when I venture out at night. Show me a gun and I will give up my dew pesos. I carry no cell phone at night so they won't get much from me. Yes I know some will say since you don't carry much then why not just give it up if they have a knife? Easy answer I'm tired of this kind of crap so a beat down on them is in order. I worked at a State prison as a Sgt. So these crumbs don't scare me. Of course bring on the negative comments.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2850235] a baton will never win against a knife [/QUOTE]It depends to some extent on the knife and the baton, but most of the knives I've seen these douche bags carry, I'd take my chances with a baton. I also never give up the money to thieves and have some injuries to show for that, but poor behavior cannot be rewarded. I know how to use a baton and maybe you don't.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2850306]Dude, you are in dire need of psychiatric care.

.[/QUOTE]He's like a rapper who becomes rich, and then goes back to the hood so he doesn't look like a sellout, and is then robbed and murdered.

When Pele was robbed in Brazil as an older guy, he said he was shocked because he thought everyone loved him. LOL Keep it up and you will be dead in el centro.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2850166]After getting mugged and robbed a few times in El Centro.......[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, that happened to you because you listened to posters on here who say they are brave and walk through el Centro at night and things like that. You better believe they do not do that. Be aware these guys are the most coward guys on ISG and need to be internet bravados in order to have self respect. They are also trying to bait readers for their own sinister reasons.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2850396]Unfortunately, that happened to you because you listened to posters on here who say they are brave and walk through el Centro at night and things like that. You better believe they do not do that. Be aware these guys are the most coward guys on ISG and need to be internet bravados in order to have self respect. They are also trying to bait readers for their own sinister reasons.[/QUOTE]This is a load of crap Turgid and you know it. I used to live in Centro back in 2021 and part of 2022 out of a hotel on El Palo con El Huevo. I stayed in Calle Real in September and October of 2021 and I would go out at night for various reasons, not always to look for chicas sometimes just to go buy food or cigarettes or whatever. I never did it to prove anything to anyone as you state in your post.

That being said after about 8 PM there isn't much action in the Botero / Veracruz area. And the later you go it just gets worse and worse.

The best times to go mongering in botero / Veracruz area is in the afternoons from 2 pm to about 6 pm after that the best looking girls migrate over to Parque lleras, Calle 10, and provenza and charge 4 x more for the same servicios.

Also to answer the other guys question, the cleanest best priced short time hotel in that area is going to be Hotel Botero Real, the red hotel right there by the church. Although they have some new lady in the reception now who was bitching at me about taking too long in the room even though no one ever knocked LOL, but in the 3 years I've been using that hotel that's never happened until now.

And if you need more time hotel pasaje real on the other side of Parque Berrio metro station (following the pedestrian street past the other church and the Frisby on the left side down closer to the Subway on Junín) charges 22 mil for 3 hours and also has very clean rooms, in fact it always smells like bleach in there.

Gabacho.

[QUOTE=StudBucket;2850235]I agree with Dcfan, do not do to Centro alone day or night or take the risk of getting mugged or more. Also, a baton will never win against a knife and you will die, this is bad advice. Do not resist if they show a knife or gun or you will die.[/QUOTE]With a flick of my wrist the baton opens up to about 3 feet. It is very heavy and packs a punch. Way better than a knife.

Most of you guys make me laugh. Check out how many Gringos are killed in your beloved Poblado compared to Centro. I see most of you don't get it. I'm tired of being ripped off and I have decided to take action. I don't advise anyone to follow me. If you are really that concerned just stay home and watch Porno.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2850435]Most of you guys make me laugh. Check out how many Gringos are killed in your beloved Poblado compared to Centro. I see most of you don't get it. I'm tired of being ripped off and I have decided to take action. I don't advise anyone to follow me..[/QUOTE]Its more great advice from the covid experts here. Haha. Theyll be telling you to wear a mask again soon.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2850435]Most of you guys make me laugh. Check out how many Gringos are killed in your beloved Poblado compared to Centro. I see most of you don't get it. I'm tired of being ripped off and I have decided to take action. I don't advise anyone to follow me. If you are really that concerned just stay home and watch Porno.[/QUOTE]More gringos are killed in El Poblado because more gringos stay in El Poblado. Simple as that. Very few gringos stay in El Centro, and majority of guys just Uber to a casa and Uber back. In and out. Now, check out the crime statistics (murders, robberies, petty theft, etc) in El Centro and compare it to that of El Poblado. You must be fucking delusional to think El Centro is safer. Wake the fuck up, Rambo

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2850419]

That being said after about 8 PM there isn't much action in the Botero / Veracruz area. And the later you go it just gets worse and worse.

Also to answer the other guys question, the cleanest best priced short time hotel in that area is going to be Hotel Botero Real, the red hotel right there by the church. Although they have some new lady in the reception now who was bitching at me about taking too long in the room even though no one ever knocked LOL, but in the 3 years I've been using that hotel that's never happened until now.

And if you need more time hotel pasaje real on the other side of Parque Berrio metro station (following the pedestrian street past the other church and the Frisby on the left side down closer to the Subway on Junn) charges 22 mil for 3 hours and also has very clean rooms, in fact it always smells like bleach in there.

Gabacho.[/QUOTE]Most guys should be gone by 9:00 PM. I get local 20 year old punks eyeballing me after that to rob me. They watch me to see if I look lost, scared (looking away to avoid confrontation), alone, etc.

Hotel Botero Real is not clean.

I am sure if you have been with a girl once or twice she will be willing to go to Hotel Pasaje Real with you. But if a girl has never been with you, you will be lucky to get 40% of the girls willing to walk that far to be with you. The girls do not know you or that hotel so they will be thinking WTF?!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2850513]More gringos are killed in El Poblado because more gringos stay in El Poblado. Simple as that. Very few gringos stay in El Centro, and majority of guys just Uber to a casa and Uber back. In and out. Now, check out the crime statistics (murders, robberies, petty theft, etc) in El Centro and compare it to that of El Poblado. You must be fucking delusional to think El Centro is safer. Wake the fuck up, Rambo[/QUOTE]I never said that Centro was safe. If I thought that I would not carry a baton there. Your comment {You must be fucking delusional } this is the kind of insult that makes guys hate to post as opinions like yours are insulting. Wait a minute, why am I even responding to creature who hides in his basement?

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2850671]I never said that Centro was safe. If I thought that I would not carry a baton there. Your comment {You must be fucking delusional } this is the kind of insult that makes guys hate to post as opinions like yours are insulting. Wait a minute, why am I even responding to creature who hides in his basement?[/QUOTE]You found my response to your post to be insulting, however it is you who posts insulting shit ("grow a pair", "stay home and watch porno" Also, my response was not just my opinion, but a fact that is based on crime stats. La Candelaria (El Centro), Aranjuez and Robledo are top 3 barrios with the most homicide cases. Compared to El Centro, El Poblado has 10 x less homicides per year.

It seems you decided to move to El Centro not because of the fear to be killed, but because El Poblado and girls working there are out of your budget. This is why you joined El Centro rats club, well, more power to you.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2850671]I never said that Centro was safe. If I thought that I would not carry a baton there. Your comment {You must be fucking delusional } this is the kind of insult that makes guys hate to post as opinions like yours are insulting. Wait a minute, why am I even responding to creature who hides in his basement?[/QUOTE]The late Meatloaf once said "I would do anything for love, but I won't do that. " he was talking about going to el centro to get laid. Story has it he took a taxi tour there and said get me the hell out of here.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2850573]

I am sure if you have been with a girl once or twice she will be willing to go to Hotel Pasaje Real with you. But if a girl has never been with you, you will be lucky to get 40% of the girls willing to walk that far to be with you. The girls do not know you or that hotel so they will be thinking WTF?![/QUOTE]This hasn't been the case for me in my experience. I get girls to go with me to hotel pasaje real all the time. Many first time girls I meet off of Facebook I have them meet me at Parque Berrio metro station and then we walk there together, also friends of friends (also first timers with me) I often take them there too. I'm fact with my semi pros and non pros this is the hotel I prefer to take them to.

I tend to use botero real for girls who actually work in the botero / Veracruz area as SWers. And yes Botero Real is clean. They change the sheets there in between sessions, that is why you often have to wait for a room during peak hours, and it has a bathroom and shower inside the room they also supply a clean towel and bar soap. Also I've never seen a cockroach in any of their rooms either, so it passes as clean as far as I'm concerned.

One of the things that I find odd and I will try to remain as diplomatic and polite as humanly possible, not that I give much of a fuck, but I digress. One of the things that I find odd is our species we are homo sapiens last I checked in the wise book of whatever the fuck, so ancestors of our species wared profusely, killed indiscriminately, and created big gigantic things with a lot of effort, mastered the atom, created empires and destroyed others in what must have been an existential crisis of their time, we accomplished all of this because as men a concept that we seem to have forgotten in the west we have a fundamental role in nature to reproduce, ancient men had to prove their worth by sacrificing or accomplishing something to be worthy of your genes to be passed to a new generation of humans. I know John Gault personally I will never forget the day he approached a group of Chinese men in Guayaquil me right next to him and called them "chinos comunistas" Of course should things have gone south I have the ability, training, and capacity and tools to deal with such humans this is what men do or at least the way men used to be. Yet if it was for men like Miamiboy and others I doubt that our species would have had the capacity to deal and wrestle with megafauna, stood against communism, Nazism or Tiranny be thankful that ancestors of ours had the courage to live struggle, and die so you can take your punny self and quote statistics, and find that more valuable than your desire to reproduce, if you valued safety go to a legal brothel in Vegas they are certainly safe, why travel if that is what you value, even in the safest communities of Colombia, Americans, and westerners die on the daily safety is relative, you guys are not coming to LA to develop infrastructure or to teach the natives literacy you come to fuck and any time you come to third world nations there is always going to be problems. In the meantime I miss John Gault may he live another 78 more years should he die in Colombia I will mourn my friend should he perish in foul play in Colombia the perpetrators will find one angry human that lives in Ecuador that will be filled with a terrible purpose.

[QUOTE=DoomBringer321;2851398]One of the things that I find odd and I will try to remain as diplomatic and polite as humanly possible, not that I give much of a fuck, but I digress. One of the things that I find odd is our species we are homo sapiens last I checked in the wise book of whatever the fuck, so ancestors of our species wared profusely, killed indiscriminately, and created big gigantic things with a lot of effort, mastered the atom, created empires and destroyed others in what must have been an existential crisis of their time, we accomplished all of this because as men a concept that we seem to have forgotten in the west we have a fundamental role in nature to reproduce, ancient men had to prove their worth by sacrificing or accomplishing something to be worthy of your genes to be passed to a new generation of humans. I know John Gault personally I will never forget the day he approached a group of Chinese men in Guayaquil me right next to him and called them "chinos comunistas" Of course should things have gone south I have the ability, training, and capacity and tools to deal with such humans this is what men do or at least the way men used to be. Yet if it was for men like Miamiboy and others I doubt that our species would have had the capacity to deal and wrestle with megafauna, stood against communism, Nazism or Tiranny be thankful that ancestors of ours had the courage to live struggle, and die so you can take your punny self and quote statistics, and find that more valuable than your desire to reproduce, if you valued safety go to a legal brothel in Vegas they are certainly safe, why travel if that is what you value, even in the safest communities of Colombia, Americans, and westerners die on the daily safety is relative, you guys are not coming to LA to develop infrastructure or to teach the natives literacy you come to fuck and any time you come to third world nations there is always going to be problems. In the meantime I miss John Gault may he live another 78 more years should he die in Colombia I will mourn my friend should he perish in foul play in Colombia the perpetrators will find one angry human that lives in Ecuador that will be filled with a terrible purpose.[/QUOTE]Yea Miami boy is all talk and he really doesn't know shit he just likes to talk shit to people and start beef, he's a classic internet troll.

I still interested in checking out Ecuador by the way. I know it's more expensive than what I have become accustomed to in Colombia, but I need to find a new place to venture out and find new street meat to fulfill my needs and Salinas / Calle 18 sounds like it may be that next place I want to venture into.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2851333]Many first time girls I meet off of Facebook ...[/QUOTE]Senor Gabacho, out of curiosity- as a confirmed street rat and a Spanish speaker, how much are you giving the FB girls? It's somehow hard to imagine you paying the reported by others FB rate of 250 mil + taxi (or more). I suspect you get better deals than that, aka local prices?

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2851137]Yep, there is a ton of Colombian Chicks in CDMX and yes, there is a bunch in MDE. The Mexican Dudes, love fake and big asses. I just laugh when I see them and instant block when they contact me. For the most part they are very demanding, most refuse to speak English and are way more expensive than the Mexican Babes. Sorry.[/QUOTE]Colombians refusing to speak English? How incredibly, fucking rude of them to refuse to speak a language they almost certainly don't know.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2851429]I still interested in checking out Ecuador by the way. I know it's more expensive than what I have become accustomed to in Colombia, but I need to find a new place to venture out and find new street meat to fulfill my needs and Salinas / Calle 18 sounds like it may be that next place I want to venture into.[/QUOTE]Calle 18 is where I complained the girl was playing with her phone while I was fucking her. She said it is only $6. I couldn't argue with that!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2851521]Colombians refusing to speak English? How incredibly, fucking rude of them to refuse to speak a language they almost certainly don't know.[/QUOTE]Let me clarify, they are super lazy and incredibly jealous.

[QUOTE=DoomBringer321;2851]a
group of Chinese men in Guayaquil me right next to him and called them "chinos comunistas"[/QUOTE]Wow, and what did they say, muchas gracias, con gusto! Am sure they would find it as insulting as someone from USA being called north american.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2851656]Wow, and what did they say, muchas gracias, con gusto! Am sure they would find it as insulting as someone from USA being called north american.[/QUOTE]Last I heard no true American unless it's this fresh batch of mama-raised soy boys that seem to be everywhere lately, mind being called a Rabid Yankee capitalist, As far as that particular event that day over a year and a half ago John Gault was in the state he was in, and as a man of his generation born and bred in the USA fear of communism was ingrained in his DNA, however, most Chinese that are lucky to leave China do mind being called communist, was his comment at the time inappropriate perhaps insulting maybe, but one thing about courage it's not sold over the counter it is something that is forged out a combination of fear, discipline and controlled anger, perhaps if he was not around me he would not have thought to make such commentaries to 4 large Chinese men 3 of which were about my size (I am 5'11) but here is the thing he made the comment and stood his ground I cannot say the same thing for most of the members of this board much less the rest of my compatriots from the good old USA considering said soy boy abundance, plus I have read the comments sections, Colombia used to be my old stomping grounds for a different set of reasons. Everyone and I do mean everyone locals and foreigners dislikes Chinese yet they lack the courage to do anything about it, There are a myriad of reasons why they are disliked for ex. They do not contribute much to the economy they prefer to migrate their workforce rather than train and hire in the local economy, They give out predatory loans to governments so they are never repaid or have to accept unfavorable raw material trade it's a shit show that will one day bite the west in the ass because western leadership was sleeping at the wheel but there are some like John Gault and myself who does not share this mindset of "go along to get along" America was a place built by such men a shame that new generations no longer share that view if they did perhaps mentally incompetent humans would not be elected to office.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2851475]Senor Gabacho, out of curiosity- as a confirmed street rat and a Spanish speaker, how much are you giving the FB girls? It's somehow hard to imagine you paying the reported by others FB rate of 250 mil + taxi (or more). I suspect you get better deals than that, aka local prices?[/QUOTE]I usually pay about 150 mil when dealing with Facebook girls and that's almost always BBFS unless if they absolutely won't do that or want an absurd amount of money.

If you look back to my post in the main medellin forum from may of 2022 I posted a report with pics of a Venezuelan Webcam model who I found her and her sister thru Facebook. Her Webcam name is Sayarit but her real name is Meiber she was 19 at the time when I was seeing her and she charged me 150 mil for an hour BBFS and often times we would go over the hour and she wouldn't hassle me for more money. At one point I had gotten her to take 200 mil for dos polvos (2 nuts). That was before we had a falling out after she found out I had been barebacking alot of the botero girls LOL.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2851605]Let me clarify, they are super lazy and incredibly jealous.[/QUOTE]Pardon me, but I think the language is necessary for emphasis.

How the fuck is that any type of clarification? You were complaining that Colombians in CDMX refuse to speak English, which it's highly unlikely they know more than a few English phrases, and now the complaint is that they're lazy and jealous? What in the world does that have to do with them not speaking a language they don't know?

Lazy and jealous? Prostitutes? Where does either thing come into the picture? "I want you to fuck me, but first clean my house and do my laundry and I hope you don't mind that I fuck other hookers too. ".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2851600]Calle 18 is where I complained the girl was playing with her phone while I was fucking her. She said it is only $6. I couldn't argue with that![/QUOTE]$6 usd is the going rate in Guayaquil Calle 18??

I thought it was $15 usd. $6 usd is about 24 mil COP at the current exchange rate so your saying that Guayaquil is actually cheaper than Medellin?

[QUOTE=IntBond0;2851785]Not looking for validation, just more experienced guys to give me some feedback. It's my first time in Colombia, want to know if seeing a Venezuelan chick with a spider tat near her coochie was a good idea LOL I'll also be mingling on the streets, so willing to next her if need be.[/QUOTE]I highly recommend you "mingle on the streets" while in Medellin, especially if it's your first time here.

A good time to go is after 9 PM in and around the Botero Plaza area.

You won't be disappointed, as some of Medellin's finest start showing up later in the evening, no different than other mongering venues around the World.

And you shouldn't let a spider tat on a Venezuelan near her twat deter you from "nexting" a Venezuelan, but a tat in this area on a Colombian is a different matter.

Have fun while your in town and be safe.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2851744]Pardon me, but I think the language is necessary for emphasis.

How the fuck is that any type of clarification? You were complaining that Colombians in CDMX refuse to speak English, which it's highly unlikely they know more than a few English phrases, and now the complaint is that they're lazy and jealous? What in the world does that have to do with them not speaking a language they don't know?

Lazy and jealous? Prostitutes? Where does either thing come into the picture? "I want you to fuck me, but first clean my house and do my laundry and I hope you don't mind that I fuck other hookers too..[/QUOTE]You are last person I would listen to about anything, you are one angry and bitter person.

Yes, the girls I have met from MDE are some of the most lazy and jealous women I have ever met. I can not speak about the girls from the other cities.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2851788]$6 usd is the going rate in Guayaquil Calle 18??

I thought it was $15 usd. $6 usd is about 24 mil COP at the current exchange rate so your saying that Guayaquil is actually cheaper than Medellin?[/QUOTE]Time to pack your shower head and move down there! Do they have midgets and preggos?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2851927]Time to pack your shower head and move down there! Do they have midgets and preggos?[/QUOTE]I'll be sure to find out when I go and I'll report in the Guayaquil forum!

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2851892]You are last person I would listen to about anything, you are one angry and bitter person.

Yes, the girls I have met from MDE are some of the most lazy and jealous women I have ever met. I can not speak about the girls from the other cities.[/QUOTE]Angry and bitter? About what? What do I have to be angry about? My life usually keeps me smiling. Getting old isn't exactly wonderful, but it's not as bad as I thought it would be. And there are a few perks.

Bitter? No? Why would I be? My life has been great, by my standards. It continues to be pretty good. Again, the years are taking their toll, but I'm still smiling.

I don't recall asking you to listen to me. I simply began by making fun of you. You literally complained that Colombian women in CDMX "refuse to speak English. " They are from a Spanish speaking country. They are in a Spanish speaking country. Except for a rare few who speak English, they can't "refuse" to speak a language they don't know. Next you'll be complaining because cows refuse to lay eggs.

Even if a Colombian in CDMX speaks English, what kind of fool would try to talk to her in any language other than Spanish? That's before we get to the important question:

If you find Colombian women to be so terrible and worthless, why in the fuck would you be seeking them out in Mexico? Why even bother with posting in the Colombian forums? How pathetic and empty must your life be that you have nothing better to do than to come into the Colombian forums to complain about a country you have no interest in visiting and to cry about women you have no interest in seeing?

As for the rest of your complaint, maybe there's a reason why they all appear lazy to you. Hard work usually comes from inspiration. If they're all lazy around you, it's got to be because there's nothing about you to interest them. Quite the opposite. In general, Colombians are vivacious, energetic and friendly. Your presence must literally suck the life right out of them.

And I still can't figure out where jealousy comes into the picture. The only time any girl has a reason to be jealous is if you have made some sort of commitment to her. Why make commitments to hookers? If you're making commitments to hookers, why aren't you keeping them?

In my situation, jealousy could be an issue, but so far it's been easy to avoid.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2851788]$6 usd is the going rate in Guayaquil Calle 18??

I thought it was $15 usd. $6 usd is about 24 mil COP at the current exchange rate so your saying that Guayaquil is actually cheaper than Medellin?[/QUOTE]LOL. Damn I just looked it up. Seems that was 2006. Prices are sure to have changed since then.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;527998]I'm in Guayaquil right now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2851788]$6 usd is the going rate in Guayaquil Calle 18??

I thought it was $15 usd. $6 usd is about 24 mil COP at the current exchange rate so your saying that Guayaquil is actually cheaper than Medellin?[/QUOTE]LOL. Damn I just looked it up. Seems that was 2006. Prices are sure to have changed since then.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;527998]I'm in Guayaquil right now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2851966]Angry and bitter? About what? What do I have to be angry about? My life usually keeps me smiling. Getting old isn't exactly wonderful, but it's not as bad as I thought it would be. And there are a few perks.

Bitter? No? Why would I be? My life has been great, by my standards. It continues to be pretty good. Again, the years are taking their toll, but I'm still smiling.

I don't recall asking you to listen to me. I simply began by making fun of you. You literally complained that Colombian women in CDMX "refuse to speak English. " They are from a Spanish speaking country. They are in a Spanish speaking country. Except for a rare few who speak English, they can't "refuse" to speak a language they don't know. Next you'll be complaining because cows refuse to lay eggs.

Even if a Colombian in CDMX speaks English, what kind of fool would try to talk to her in any language other than Spanish? That's before we get to the important question:

If you find Colombian women to be so terrible and worthless, why in the fuck would you be seeking them out in Mexico? Why even bother with posting in the Colombian forums? How pathetic and empty must your life be that you have nothing better to do than to come into the Colombian forums to complain about a country you have no interest in visiting and to cry about women you have no interest in seeing?

As for the rest of your complaint, maybe there's a reason why they all appear lazy to you. Hard work usually comes from inspiration. If they're all lazy around you, it's got to be because there's nothing about you to interest them. Quite the opposite. In general, Colombians are vivacious, energetic and friendly. Your presence must literally suck the life right out of them.

And I still can't figure out where jealousy comes into the picture. The only time any girl has a reason to be jealous is if you have made some sort of commitment to her. Why make commitments to hookers? If you're making commitments to hookers, why aren't you keeping them?

In my situation, jealousy could be an issue, but so far it's been easy to avoid.[/QUOTE]Trust me I am not seeking Colombian girls in CDMX, I am trying to avoid them. They are everywhere on SA, in CDMX, probably trying to avoid cheap guys like you.

Now, these girls are in CDMX, seeking foreign guys, at least they could pretend to speak English or use a translator, but they are too lazy to do that. This might help them meet more foreign guys, but why bother. I have bad news for you almost everyone in CDMX can speak a little English or they at least try.

You might want to read my reports, I blog them immediately when I find out they are Colombia. Maybe you and wacko friends can do a better job and keep them in Colombia, then we would all be happy. The truth is slowly coming about Colombia I am not the only one complaining about them now. Please keep your girls in Colombia!

I will not argue with you, you are the one hanging out in Colombia not me and complaining all the time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2851980]LOL. Damn I just looked it up. Seems that was 2006. Prices are sure to have changed since then.[/QUOTE]Yea after reading your 2006 report and the one underneath it, I think I'll pass on Guayaquil. I don't do 10 minute sessions and I don't like "plenty of hair on display".

Also everything from your hotel prices to SWer prices, even your $11 lunch were more expensive than in Colombia, and that was over 15 years ago.

Maybe I'll still check it out on some future trip but for now I'm thinking a few days in Pereira sounds like a much better option to explore something new.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2851880]I highly recommend you "mingle on the streets" while in Medellin, especially if it's your first time here.

A good time to go is after 9 PM in and around the Botero Plaza area.

You won't be disappointed, as some of Medellin's finest start showing up later in the evening, no different than other mongering venues around the World.

And you shouldn't let a spider tat on a Venezuelan near her twat deter you from "nexting" a Venezuelan, but a tat in this area on a Colombian is a different matter.

Have fun while your in town and be safe.[/QUOTE]Your post is obviously sarcasm, but a newbie wouldn't necessarily know that. You could get someone injured or killed with that info. None of it is correct.

Also, "your" and "you're" are not interchangeable.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2852026]Your post is obviously sarcasm, but a newbie wouldn't necessarily know that. You could get someone injured or killed with that info. None of it is correct.
[/QUOTE]Agreed. Surfer500 stop being an at $$!

10:00 PM tonight two guys tried robbing a local wearing a backpack between the metro and the church in front of Hotel Calle Real. The guy kept his phone and the 2 guys got away walking past the church towards the bars. Police came 5 minutes later from the metro side but after chatting the guy for 5 minutes turned and returned back heading back towards the metro. The front of the guy's shoulder near the collar bone was bleeding (2 inch circle). Not sure what caused the bleeding because I did not see a hole in his shirt. Maybe small knife? I went to my hotel ASAP. I am usually in by 9:00 but was bored so people watched. Silly me.

On second thought. The guy probably received a bloody hand when thrown to the pavement. Then transfered the blood near his collar bone when he took off his backpack when speaking to the police. Based on the blood pattern on his shirt. Drama running amuck temporarily in my head.

Nowadays, I think all the men fuck bareback in Colombia. I do only bareback and all the girls on facebook are OK to fuck with me without condom. Only few of them ask me more money. Same for the botero girls, usually they asK 50 000 pesos + 50 000 for BBFS. Even the pornstars in Colobia accept without any hesitation but are mucho more expensive.

Today, nobody use condoms in Colombia. It's over!

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2851711]I usually pay about 150 mil when dealing with Facebook girls and that's almost always BBFS unless if they absolutely won't do that or want an absurd amount of money.

If you look back to my post in the main medellin forum from may of 2022 I posted a report with pics of a Venezuelan Webcam model who I found her and her sister thru Facebook. Her Webcam name is Sayarit but her real name is Meiber she was 19 at the time when I was seeing her and she charged me 150 mil for an hour BBFS and often times we would go over the hour and she wouldn't hassle me for more money. At one point I had gotten her to take 200 mil for dos polvos (2 nuts). That was before we had a falling out after she found out I had been barebacking alot of the botero girls LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2852009]Trust me I am not seeking Colombian girls in CDMX, I am trying to avoid them. They are everywhere on SA, in CDMX, probably trying to avoid cheap guys like you.

Now, these girls are in CDMX, seeking foreign guys, at least they could pretend to speak English or use a translator, but they are too lazy to do that. This might help them meet more foreign guys, but why bother. I have bad news for you almost everyone in CDMX can speak a little English or they at least try.

You might want to read my reports, I blog them immediately when I find out they are Colombia. Maybe you and wacko friends can do a better job and keep them in Colombia, then we would all be happy. The truth is slowly coming about Colombia I am not the only one complaining about them now. Please keep your girls in Colombia!

I will not argue with you, you are the one hanging out in Colombia not me and complaining all the time.[/QUOTE]I'm sure the Colombian girls in CDMX are better than the Mexicanas you will find on anillo de circunvalacion leaned up against that green chain link fence that separates the sidewalks from the street lanes. Those girls are fucking nasty.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2851980]LOL. Damn I just looked it up. Seems that was 2006. Prices are sure to have changed since then.[/QUOTE]Yes, prices have changed the problem is not necessarily the prices rather it's the attitude, I believe that Colombian women look prettier because there is a culture of them taking care of themselves and being "pretty" for a man, that is not the Ecuadorian culture, so naturally women in Colombia will be prettier however one thing I cannot say is that they have better attitudes and that is to blame on all of you, or most of you who pedestalize women for just being there, look I get it you don't have to share my views but and I get it you would not be travelling if you had better options back home, but when you blow up a women ego with attention that is not deserved all you do is artificially inflate the market value, you don't see local Ecuadorian men or Colombian men behaving in this fashion so they still get bareback, ironed clothes and a cooked meal and even morning blow jobs and sometimes even money for little or almost nothing, but I see a change in the tonality of the visitors to Colombia girls are more entitled they all blow up people's phones for money even overseas, and this would not be happening if people were not being judicious with their attention and resources so when Colombia's women become shittier because their attitudes are already shitty they will start to gravitate to other nations like they did when people stopped going to Costa Rica, DR and Cuba.

[QUOTE=DoomBringer321;2852188]Yes, prices have changed the problem is not necessarily the prices rather it's the attitude, I believe that Colombian women look prettier because there is a culture of them taking care of themselves and being "pretty" for a man, that is not the Ecuadorian culture, so naturally women in Colombia will be prettier however one thing I cannot say is that they have better attitudes and that is to blame on all of you, or most of you who pedestalize women for just being there, look I get it you don't have to share my views but and I get it you would not be travelling if you had better options back home, but when you blow up a women ego with attention that is not deserved all you do is artificially inflate the market value, you don't see local Ecuadorian men or Colombian men behaving in this fashion so they still get bareback, ironed clothes and a cooked meal and even morning blow jobs and sometimes even money for little or almost nothing, but I see a change in the tonality of the visitors to Colombia girls are more entitled they all blow up people's phones for money even overseas, and this would not be happening if people were not being judicious with their attention and resources so when Colombia's women become shittier because their attitudes are already shitty they will start to gravitate to other nations like they did when people stopped going to Costa Rica, DR and Cuba.[/QUOTE]Especially the Venezuelan women all they do is ask for money. I have a new rule I've implemented. Whenever they ask for free money I block them immediately without even responding. I don't give AF if your mom died or if your baby hasn't eaten in 3 days or if your going to get put out of your room because you haven't paid your rent. If the tables were turned and I was the one asking them for money they would laugh, so yea instant block if they ask for free money, lazy b i t c h e s.

[QUOTE=DoomBringer321;2851683]America was a place built by such men a shame that new generations no longer share that view if they did perhaps mentally incompetent humans would not be elected to office.[/QUOTE]You would get my vote if you ever stood for president and if ever a moment of insanity overtook me and a applied for usa citizenship. The world needs someone with your clearminded and knowledgeable outlook.

[QUOTE=DoomBringer321;2852188]that is to blame on all of you, or most of you who pedestalize women for just being there, look I get it you don't have to share my views but and I get it you would not be travelling if you had better options back home, but when you blow up a women ego with attention that is not deserved all you do is artificially inflate the market value, [/QUOTE]Well unfortunately the guys like you and me are in the minority on this planet. We are far outnumbered by guys that do not mind passing money out for nothing. In another thread somebody wrote about guys paying to watch a chick sleep online. Then when she woke up, they all left.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2852249]Especially the Venezuelan women all they do is ask for money. I have a new rule IIf the tables were turned and I was the one asking them for money they would laugh, so yea instant block if they ask for free money, lazy b i t c h e s.[/QUOTE]Their country is sanctioned to the point of starvation, they are denied visas, they can't afford passports, they are denied official work opportunities in neighbouring countries, they have to pass thru the darian w 4 month old babies or prostitute themselves to obese and old USAns in order to feed their families, they sleep under bridges bcos tourists laugh at them when they try to sell candies to raise money. Sure, they are just such lazy fkn bltches.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2852691]Their country is sanctioned to the point of starvation, they are denied visas, they can't afford passports, they are denied official work opportunities in neighbouring countries, they have to pass thru the darian w 4 month old babies or prostitute themselves to obese and old USAns in order to feed their families, they sleep under bridges bcos tourists laugh at them when they try to sell candies to raise money. Sure, they are just such lazy fkn bltches.[/QUOTE]With all due respect JusTK, you obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about. Obviously the ones crossing the Darien Gap to work in the USA are not lazy. They aren't the ones asking for free money, they are too busy waking through the jungle and probably don't even have signal or battery power on their phones.

No JusTK, the ones I'm talking about are in fact lazy, they spend all their money on Tussi, Cartujo Anis, and Marijuana, and/or give it to their just as lazy boyfriends then they have the nerve to ask for free money from their clientes when they haven't worked because they were up all night partying. They tend to live in pagadiarios in the Prado Centro area, not in Panama, those are the ones I'm referring to.

So next time do a little research before you open your mouth.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2852691]Their country is sanctioned to the point of starvation, they are denied visas, they can't afford passports, they are denied official work opportunities in neighbouring countries, they have to pass thru the darian w 4 month old babies or prostitute themselves to obese and old USAns in order to feed their families, they sleep under bridges bcos tourists laugh at them when they try to sell candies to raise money. Sure, they are just such lazy fkn bltches.[/QUOTE]You're probably one of the simps sending them the money that would explain why you took offense to my post.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2852704]With all due respect JusTK, you obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about. Obviously the ones crossing the Darien Gap to work in the USA are not lazy. They aren't the ones asking for free money, they are too busy waking through the jungle and probably don't even have signal or battery power on their phones.

No JusTK, the ones I'm talking about are in fact lazy, they spend all their money on Tussi, Cartujo Anis, and Marijuana, and/or give it to their just as lazy boyfriends then they have the nerve to ask for free money from their clientes when they haven't worked because they were up all night partying. They tend to live in pagadiarios in the Prado Centro area, not in Panama, those are the ones I'm referring to.

So next time do a little research before you open your mouth.[/QUOTE]Here's the reality, many do work when illegal and it's basically exploitation as their options are quite limited, but then they get their papers and with those their rights to social services. Then comes the change in behaviour. So it's not a net benefit to the country. It benefits those that get the few years of exploited labour and then screws the taxpayer for a lifetime. If they drop a baby the social services start even sooner. Our country has a schizophrenic immigration policy. Anyone that has a basic understanding of economics and free markets would know that due to economic disparities and quality of life differences the US has to inevitably impose caps on immigration in some way. We would be better off formally and properly screening them and taking the best, that this poor huddles masses idealism that might have worked when we were an empty continent in need of anyone willing to come and settle the land. Finally it's just a plain simple fact that immigrants when they do get legalized votes in one direction, that skews the political balance in the country, and that's not necessarily a good thing. I say this as a centrist who believes that balance is what got us to where we are. We move too far looney left like the AOCs etc advocate and our success is not guaranteed. We need balance.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2852704]With all due respect JusTK, you obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about. Obviously the ones crossing the Darien Gap to work in the USA are not lazy. They aren't the ones asking for free money, they are too busy waking through the jungle

No JusTK, the ones I'm talking about are in fact lazy, they spend all their money on Tussi, Cartujo Anis, and Marijuana, and/or give it to their just as lazy boyfriends then they have the nerve to ask for free money from their clientes when they haven't worked because they were up all night partying.

So next time do a little research before you open your mouth.[/QUOTE]Well gabacho. In your first comment you wrote of 'Venezuelan women'. Now you qualify it and change it to drug users, party goers etc.

Its not me that needs to do more research, its you that should write about the people you refer to instead of smearing all venezuelan women.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2852707]You're probably one of the simps sending them the money that would explain why you took offense to my post.[/QUOTE]Yes probably, but wait. Why would I send them money when I live here?

I just take exception when folks from privileged backgrounds belittle the hardships that most venezuelans live thru.

I heard this guy loudly bragging in a casa the other day. He spoke how Medellin has a bunch of cheap pussy and about having a 17 year old girl. The madam could understand him. That kind of talk will.

1) make some of the casa girls leave for greener pastures.

2) make all the locals view us as big pocket targets.

3) make more locals want to get rid of legalized prostitution.

This is why the talent is getting shitter and Colombia is becoming more unsafe.

People need to stop being obnoxiously yelling at the top of our lungs about this stuff. Colombia is slowly being ruined for me.

Got to be the dumbest shit bragging about banging an underage girl. Pretty sure that shit is a serious crime where you get USA jail time, etc.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2852764]Well gabacho. In your first comment you wrote of 'Venezuelan women'. Now you qualify it and change it to drug users, party goers etc.

Its not me that needs to do more research, its you that should write about the people you refer to instead of smearing all venezuelan women.[/QUOTE]The party goers and drug users I am referring to are Venezuelan Women.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2852764]Well gabacho. In your first comment you wrote of 'Venezuelan women'. Now you qualify it and change it to drug users, party goers etc.

Its not me that needs to do more research, its you that should write about the people you refer to instead of smearing all venezuelan women.[/QUOTE]I will give you this that not all venezuelan women are like this, there are some that are hard working people, I have a Venezuelan handyman who helped me install my electric shower head and put up some shelving and cabinets, for example, I also know some Venezuelan street food venders who are hard working people.

But they aren't the ones asking Johns for free money, are they? No they aren't asking us for money because they are working and earning their own money and don't need to ask us to send them money.

The ones blowing you up thru WhatsApp or messenger or whatever method of contact they might use are typically the drug user / partygoer type of Venezuelan women, they are the ones who are lazy and asking for money. And when stupid Britts, such as yourself, send these type of women money, it only enables them to ask more of us for money and so on but the buck stops with me!

[QUOTE=JustTK;2852765]Yes probably, but wait. Why would I send them money when I live here?

I just take exception when folks from privileged backgrounds belittle the hardships that most venezuelans live thru.[/QUOTE]Why are you standing up for these venecas anyways?? While there are some who are honest hard working people, the vast majority of them are crooks and thieves just looking for the next way to get over on people.

Even the Colombians don't want them here.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2852765]Yes probably, but wait. Why would I send them money when I live here?

I just take exception when folks from privileged backgrounds belittle the hardships that most venezuelans live thru.[/QUOTE]They voted for it! Chavez Chavez Chavez then it was Duro Maduro. That's a wealthy country natural resources wise. Noone but their own fault.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2852704]With all due respect JusTK, you obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about. Obviously the ones crossing the Darien Gap to work in the USA are not lazy. They aren't the ones asking for free money, they are too busy waking through the jungle and probably don't even have signal or battery power on their phones.

No JusTK, the ones I'm talking about are in fact lazy, they spend all their money on Tussi, Cartujo Anis, and Marijuana, and/or give it to their just as lazy boyfriends then they have the nerve to ask for free money from their clientes when they haven't worked because they were up all night partying. They tend to live in pagadiarios in the Prado Centro area, not in Panama, those are the ones I'm referring to.

So next time do a little research before you open your mouth.[/QUOTE]Why do you give women like that a way to contact you? I can understand fucking them, if that's what you like, but is there a need to give them your number?

I've always found women who ask for money are easy to deal with. You either give them money, or you tell them "no. " Same with the beggars on the street.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2852842]Why are you standing up for these venecas anyways?? While there are some who are honest hard working people, the vast majority of them are crooks and thieves just looking for the next way to get over on people.

Even the Colombians don't want them here.[/QUOTE]As a former migrant myself in my case to the US, I can tell you the migrant mindset works something like this "I don't want to be in. Working a couple of decades and never have a sense of. I want to go to. To make my dreams come true" even if the statistics don't show it however the particular case with Venezuela is to a degree annoying and it's not their fault but there are reasons for this, the windfall of Oil artificially inflated Venezuelan economy it was a bubble economy for decades I remember going to college and having to work 3 jobs to make ends met and that was even with VA loans, these Venezuelans had grants afforded to them by the state some even came to Miami on vacation on a regular basis, there were no waves of Venezuelan migrants in the 90's fast forward 20 years a Socialist populist which created wealth redistribution system an economic embargo plus plummeting oil prices and you have the current results, however most of the young population did not grow up with hardship they never had a hustle mindset, they found themselves in that situation and their solutions was migration true but these are not, young cuban entrepreneurs with education that came to MIA after a government seized property, nor are they intellectual eastern europeans who wanted a better system, nor are they Mexicans from the lower class who have a do or die work ethic that makes up for whatever shortcoming that they have, these Venezuelans came from something remember the opulance of their childhood and found themselves without food through no fault of their own so they reasonably migrated but these are not your typical put you nose to the grindstone migrants, I have talked to Colombians, Peruvians, Chileans and Ecuadorians which is where I live all agree that Venezuelans have an attitude not all certainly but it's hard to explain, it's like when you have a work assignment in a prison you can't malinger because there is disciplinary repercussion you want your good days so you get out early and you are property of the state till your sentence is done so you do you work detail, not exactly enthusiastically and that is basically the attitude of all of the venezuelans who migrated they never wanted to live the "dream" they were perfectly happy being in wherever in Venezuela till the circumstances forced them to, in the case of other migration waves for example say Haiti, huricannes come destroyed your home you migrate you don't to go back, Cuba comunism and class warfare comes new rules you don't want to go back, Colombia if you were in the area where the rebels operated you don't want to pay tribute to the rebels nor do you want you children to be forced soldiers solution migrate wherever.

Venezuelans never really wanted to leave nor did they have a nomad spirit and because of the oil revenues never had to develop entrepreneurs because the government subsidized a lot, and the ones that actually had something in Venezuela they are the worst entitled to the nth degree they all talk about the good all days, and everyone had a cat and a dog 2 vacations homes and even a dinosaur as pets in their home country they are certainly not your typical migrant that is willing to work 16 hours without a break, the few that have an entrepreneur spirit sell food, juice or trinkets and they seem happy and are the least likely to go back IMHO, now that the US has lifted some aspects of their sanctions for geopolitical reasons and since they were forced to diversify their suppliers of goods and services because of the US embargo buying shit from Russia and China, this has caused their economy to stabilize and a lot of migrants are actually returning, I will certainly be happy to see fewer people ask me for handouts it will lessen my paranoia and lessen the chance of me having to send their countrymen to the hospital which I have done more than I care to remember since the migration crisis started.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2852870]They voted for it! Chavez Chavez Chavez then it was Duro Maduro. That's a wealthy country natural resources wise. Noone but their own fault.[/QUOTE]Exactly, back in the day Venezuela was a very wealthy country, in fact poor Colombians used to go there to look for economic opportunities instead of the venecos coming over here.

But then they voted for Chavez and Maduro and their country went to hell in a hand basket real fast. And now just how their own government is stealing from them, they're going to other countries and stealing from their neighbors.

Many (but not all) are thieves, crooks, ladrones whatever you want to call them. The men resort to selling drugs and stealing, while the women resort to prostitution and extortion.

The recent uptick in crime in Medellin (and Colombia as a whole) can be attributed to Venezuelan migrants. From Colombia to Peru they travel, scheming and scamming wherever they go. Just look on Spanish language chat forums and comments on YouTube videos, etc. And you will see that all these other south america countries do not want them there.

There's even a Venezuelan organized crime group called Tren de Aragua that is pimping out their own women and girls in Peru, where they promise the girls free travel and free room and board and free cell phones and shit, but when they get to Peru they become "multadas" and basically have to fuck upwards of 20 peruanos a day for free while the Tren de Aragua dudes keep all their money and their 4 month old babies are still starving regardless, and those are the kind of people crossing the Darien and central America and Mexico and entering the US. And Joe Biden is welcoming them with open arms when they arrive. There's several that I know of that have even made it to NYC and by the looks of the pics they post on facebook they appear to be prostituting in NYC as well.

So please Sir JusTK, please do enlighten us as to why you are standing up for these dirty venecas??

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2851966]My life usually keeps me smiling.[/QUOTE]And you were smiling when you were getting into massive debt, getting drunk, and hitting rock bottom when you lived in Medellin. Hell, you bragged about getting hot water.

The bitterness with you happens when people do better than you. You are so egotistical you do not think it is possible for someone to do better.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2851966]They are from a Spanish speaking country. They are in a Spanish speaking country Except for a rare few who speak English, they can't "refuse" to speak a language they don't know. Next you'll be complaining because cows refuse to lay eggs.[/QUOTE]And this is so you. You say something everyone knows and act like you discovered a cure for cancer. Colombia is a Spanish speaking country? This is why I call you Professor Shit for Brains.

For the record, my future step daughter knows English better than her mother but I have never heard her speak it. In her case, I think it is because she is embarrassed she might say something wrong. And my gal's friends vary from not having accents to accents so thick they do not want to speak English even when they know it. So I get what DF is talking about, but maybe having and spreading Covid did something to your brain, and it is even lower wattage now.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2851966]If you find Colombian women to be so terrible and worthless, why in the fuck would you be seeking them out in Mexico?[/QUOTE]He is not. He blocks them, and I get why. Colombian women are prized by Mexican men, and the women get huge egos there. He is seeing the same thing from Colombian women in Mexico he saw in Medellin.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2851966]As for the rest of your complaint, maybe there's a reason why they all appear lazy to you. Hard work usually comes from inspiration. If they're all lazy around you, it's got to be because there's nothing about you to interest them. Quite the opposite. In general, Colombians are vivacious, energetic and friendly. Your presence must literally suck the life right out of them.

And I still can't figure out where jealousy comes into the picture. The only time any girl has a reason to be jealous is if you have made some sort of commitment to her. Why make commitments to hookers? If you're making commitments to hookers, why aren't you keeping them?[/QUOTE]And this is why no one should listen to you. You (and Viliany is the other one) are so full of shit about Colombian people. You go between hookers and people like they are one in the same. On this very thread, we got guys talking about carrying batons because they have been robbed so fucking much by hookers and non-hookers. The only other place I have seen or heard this much shit is in Brazil and if they do scope people there, what I can say is I have never heard about it.

Viliany is so fucking stupid he said cabbies do not rip people off when they do it all the time and even to Colombians. He said he doubted it happened to me because it never happened to him. It happens to EVERYONE in Colombia. You are doing the same bullshit with DF you are doing with me. Colombians are lazy? You must be the problem DF. Ha! What kind of people rob and drug others to get ahead? Hard working ones? God, you are dumb.

DF was clear that his experience was limited just to Medellin and while I will say I had more luck there than he did because I used seeking, the truth is the best women I had in Medellin were not from there. The women from there were more often than not excessively image conscious, greedy, drug using, and lazy. And that is not just my opinion and his. Paisas are ridiculed for their behaviors by other Colombians.

The truth is the Colombian elite, which you think you are an expert on because you talked to one person one time, are filled with people who are ethical, hard working, and intelligent. Among the men though, they cheat like hell and unlike the men, the women get mountains of shit for it when they do it, so I have not seen all these great virtues even among the elites you are talking about. The truth is that the elite Colombian women often seek out foreign men because they are so badly treated.

And yeah, I have seen the jealousy issue raise its ugly head at times. Unlike DF, I have not seen it as badly as he has though with Colombians in comparison to other women, so this may be one experience where we have seen different things, but at least he is on Planet Earth whereas you are on fucking Pluto.

[QUOTE=Duncan216;2852787]I heard this guy loudly bragging in a casa the other day. He spoke how Medellin has a bunch of cheap pussy[/QUOTE]He was in a HOARHOUSE, not a library or church. Next shocker: People that have the nerve to enter a hospital when they are sick.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2852877]Why do you give women like that a way to contact you? I can understand fucking them, if that's what you like, but is there a need to give them your number?

I've always found women who ask for money are easy to deal with. You either give them money, or you tell them "no. " Same with the beggars on the street.[/QUOTE]Originally it was to contact them for repeat sessions if I wanted to fuck them agn. But now a days especially after they show their colors I'm just straight blocking them on all platforms.

Honestly lately especially since August, when I got back, I've been seeing more Paisas and Santandereanas as opposed to venecas and I am much more satisfied with their level of service and also they never ask for free money either.

Let's be honest most hookers are lazy. I'll never forget this hooker I met at Adelitas 10 years ago. She spoke perfect English and was getting ready to retire, paid cash for a house and car. She told me "all these girls are lazy. It's easy money to lay on your back" "don't believe that they are all poor and can't find a job so they become hookers. " LOL. She was funny as hell.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2852842]Why are you standing up for these venecas anyways?? While there are some who are honest hard working people, the vast majority of them are crooks and thieves just looking for the next way to get over on people.

Even the Colombians don't want them here.[/QUOTE]Ditto that!

TTM.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2852842]Why are you standing up for these venecas anyways?? While there are some who are honest hard working people, the vast majority of them are crooks and thieves just looking for the next way to get over on people.

Even the Colombians don't want them here.[/QUOTE]Where are you finding the crooks and thieves? Most of the Venezuelans that I come into contact with are in the service industry (restaurants, salons, barber shops, etc) and I have never had them trying to rip me off. This is in Brazil, Colombia, Peru, Chile, and the Dominican Republic. I have dated several that have normal jobs and did not ask me for anything. If you are finding crooks and thieves among people that are doing street shit, then that is to be expected with any nationality.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2852083]Nowadays, I think all the men fuck bareback in Colombia. I do only bareback and all the girls on facebook are OK to fuck with me without condom. Only few of them ask me more money. Same for the botero girls, usually they asK 50 000 pesos + 50 000 for BBFS. Even the pornstars in Colobia accept without any hesitation but are mucho more expensive.

Today, nobody use condoms in Colombia. It's over![/QUOTE]Which pornstars for example? Are you talking about the really popular onlyfans crowd or the child on pornhub. Feel free to DM if you don't want to post here.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2853068]When I'm in Centro I stay clear of other gringos.

Unfortunately because of the onslaught of the new mongers here who used to frequent SEA, and from many others places since the Pandemic, these new mongers since Colombia opened up eight months after the Pandemic have changed many things for foreign mongers in Centro now.

Sometimes I see these mongers as though I was somewhere in SEA who typically have a beer in one hand, and a Cigarette in the other.

Some of them, but not all of them I find disgusting, not only by their personal habits and appearance, but with there dealings with the SW's, and the locals who frequent Centro daily, hence leaving what I call a tarnished image for all of the foreign mongers here of which many are good guys.

As a result of this, the mongering environment is very different than before the Pandemic.

And it's not just the older mongers but also the younger mongers who have contributed to tarnishing all the foreign mongers, as though we have a stigma.[/QUOTE]Interesting. You are the one who promoted the veracruz / Botero area on this site everyday and told mongers to come.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2853139]Where are you finding the crooks and thieves? Most of the Venezuelans that I come into contact with are in the service industry (restaurants, salons, barber shops, etc) and I have never had them trying to rip me off. This is in Brazil, Colombia, Peru, Chile, and the Dominican Republic. I have dated several that have normal jobs and did not ask me for anything. If you are finding crooks and thieves among people that are doing street shit, then that is to be expected with any nationality.[/QUOTE]Let's see, how about the pregnant lesbian dyke chick that stole my laptop and camera out of my backpack on my first day of my Jan thru March trip, she was Venezuelan. You see I have first hand experiences to back up my claims. I'm not just talking out my ass like MB1 would do.

Also I know a lot of them personally, I too have dated several of them evn gone with them to Guatapé, etc. And like I said not all are bad some are good honest people. My handyman dude was honest, there's a taxi driver from Maracaibo I met that was honest, many food vendors as well that are honest. But those are in the minority. The majority of the Venezuelan migrants tend to be "the people doing street shit."

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2852978]Originally it was to contact them for repeat sessions if I wanted to fuck them agn. But now a days especially after they show their colors I'm just straight blocking them on all platforms.

Honestly lately especially since August, when I got back, I've been seeing more Paisas and Santandereanas as opposed to venecas and I am much more satisfied with their level of service and also they never ask for free money either.[/QUOTE]So you've already found a solution to the problem? Why rant about it?

For the record, plenty of Paisas behave in exactly the same way. Over the years I've blocked dozens of them. Scams, attempted thefts, bullshit pity stories. I've heard them all. I'm sure long-term visitors to any other mongering destination deal with the same shit.

It's not about Venezuela. It's about poverty. Worldwide there are 4 main responses to poverty that I can think of:

1. Surrender to it. The lifeless folks begging for change and spending what they collect on their addiction of choice fall here.

2. Exploit it. Find other people in the same situation and use them to pull yourself out of poverty. Pimps, gang leaders, traffickers etc.

3. Attack it. Steal, scam, kill, whatever it takes to get what others have. Don't give a damn about who gets hurt. There's some overlap with group 2.

4. Overcome it. These are the people who work, scrimp and save, hoping they don't fall victim to groups 2 or 3, trying to make a better life. Most don't succeed.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2853264]Interesting. You are the one who promoted the veracruz / Botero area on this site everyday and told mongers to come.[/QUOTE]Yes I did, and than the Pandemic hit, and Colombia was one of the very few countries wide open after only eight months while SEA basically only opened up this year, so a lot of mongers who would frequent SEA started showing up here and when finding out how inexpensive it is, more and more have shown up and polluted mongering for the foreigners.

From my perspective, and for guys who have been mongering in Centro here for at least five years, they know how different things are here now.

As an example, I have a friend who has been staying in Centro for the past two months. He seems to be only going with Venezuelans, and he complains that they always want more money, have body odor issues, and other bullshit, albeit the Colombians due way less.

Prior to the Pandemic, the Venezuelan SW's where not in the majority of workers around Centro, but now they are, and at that time they would constantly undercut the Colombians. Well now they weigh out number the Colombians working Centro, and with the onslaught of new mongers who can't believe they could be getting pussy for less than $ 10 USD, along with all their reports, and bingo, here we are today, which you really can't blame on me. LOL.

Another example of how shitty it can be nowadays. On Friday night I took a stroll with some buddies around Veracruz at 8 PM.

One Vennie was with two other friends and was very aggressive and wanted me to take her. I politely told her I had no leche and no desire but she said it's not important that you can't leche and to take her because she needed money. All kind of bullshit and apparently she's probably duped some other gringos who I can only imagine had bad sessions, but wouldn't be trying this stuff with a local.

I don't remember the Colombian SW's prior to the Pandemic being as hard core as some of the Venezuelan SW's are today.

But I don't blame them, and respect them as they are just trying to make a living.

I told my friend he would have better luck with the Colombians.

So for many of the board members who recently started mongering here, they don't know how different it was prior to the Pandemic. And for many they think this place is the best thing since sliced bread.

Unfortunately though there is not much that can done about this except to convene a grand jury of Medellin mongers, and if I am found culpable in the demise of mongering here I guess send me off to prison somewhere. LOL.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2853330]Yes I did, and than the Pandemic hit, and Colombia was one of the very few countries wide open after only eight months while SEA basically only opened up this year, so a lot of mongers who would frequent SEA started showing up here and when finding out how inexpensive it is, more and more have shown up and polluted mongering for the foreigners

Unfortunately though there is not much that can done about this except to convene a grand jury of Medellin mongers, and if I am found culpable in the demise of mongering here I guess send me off to prison somewhere. LOL.[/QUOTE]I do remember when you were posting daily about el Centro, and highly encouraging guys to come.

I was thinking, nooooo, stop! LOL.

Not your fault obviously, this invasion. Only partially, LOL.

I have learned to keep my mouth shut when I find a new great place.

I travel all thru Brazil and I selfishly like to keep it good.

Just reminiscing, I remember when Cartagena was a true gem of a place.

I also remember when Cali was the hot spot for chasing girls in Colombia and Medellin was never visited, being far too dangerous.

I discovered Medellin on a whim many moons ago, and being a gringo was a true novelty.

I still enjoy it, it's just way different now.

Enjoy!

When does the Grand Jury convene? LOL.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2853330]Yes I did, ...[/QUOTE]I was amused when you still continue to try to correct LIH. LOL.

Look at it this way, the gringos changed the character of many places. I think it started with Parque Lleras. It's been changed so much that I think regular girl will avoid it so not be mistaken as a hooker. It's only a matter of time to see the changes in the strip clubs and on the street. I saw all these unfolding on ISG and in person. You can see the clue on the report today. Also checkout Nypher's post in Cartagena thread to see the changes.. LOL

[QUOTE=Balboa;2853357]I do remember when you were posting daily about el Centro, and highly encouraging guys to come.

I was thinking, nooooo, stop! LOL.

Not your fault obviously, this invasion. Only partially, LOL.

I have learned to keep my mouth shut when I find a new great place.

I travel all thru Brazil and I selfishly like to keep it good.

Just reminiscing, I remember when Cartagena was a true gem of a place.

I also remember when Cali was the hot spot for chasing girls in Colombia and Medellin was never visited, being far too dangerous.

I discovered Medellin on a whim many moons ago, and being a gringo was a true novelty.

I still enjoy it, it's just way different now.

Enjoy!

When does the Grand Jury convene? LOL.[/QUOTE]Agree with much you're saying. How do you meet girls in Brazil Facebook / other social media, termas, or some other way? Also how challenging has Portuguese been to navigate? BTW your mailbox is full.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2853361]I was amused when you still continue to try to correct LIH. LOL.

Look at it this way, the gringos changed the character of many places. I think it started with Parque Lleras. It's been changed so much that I think regular girl will avoid it so not be mistaken as a hooker. It's only a matter of time to see the changes in the strip clubs and on the street. I saw all these unfolding on ISG and in person. You can see the clue on the report today. Also checkout Nypher's post in Cartagena thread to see the changes.. LOL[/QUOTE]The key is to get off the beaten path in Colombia where a lot of things are not changing. Most gringos do not go there. It can also be a true cultural experience.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2853279]Let's see, how about the pregnant lesbian dyke chick that stole my laptop and camera out of my backpack on my first day of my Jan thru March trip, she was Venezuelan. You see I have first hand experiences to back up my claims. I'm not just talking out my ass like MB1 would do.[/QUOTE]Yes and where did you find or how did you first come into contact with this person?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2852926] JusTK, please do enlighten us as to why you are standing up for these dirty venecas??[/QUOTE]Bcos of crass statements like the one you made. Venzlan woman are lazy fkn bltches, as if you had great insight in to the matter, and not some general slur based on your own anecdotal sample of a handful of them. One could meet a group of women from ant country in the world and conclude the same thing, so what you said was just meaningless nonsense based on some bias you have from being a victim urself. Crime happens everywhere. No need to tarnish a whole nation because some skank stole your cigarettes.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2853547]Yes and where did you find or how did you first come into contact with this person?[/QUOTE]A friend of a botero girl.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2853562]Bcos of crass statements like the one you made. Venzlan woman are lazy fkn bltches, as if you had great insight in to the matter, and not some general slur based on your own anecdotal sample of a handful of them. One could meet a group of women from ant country in the world and conclude the same thing, so what you said was just meaningless nonsense based on some bias you have from being a victim urself. Crime happens everywhere. No need to tarnish a whole nation because some skank stole your cigarettes.[/QUOTE]Well you go ahead and stand up for them all you want, it's futile. I'm done trying talk any sense into you. And it wasn't cigarettes that were stolen, maybe if your reading comprehension skills were better you would have read that it was a laptop and a camera, not a pack of cigarettes.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2853330]Yes I did, and than the Pandemic hit, and Colombia was one of the very few countries wide open after only eight months while SEA basically only opened up this year, so a lot of mongers who would frequent SEA started showing up here and when finding out how inexpensive it is, more and more have shown up and polluted mongering for the foreigners.

From my perspective, and for guys who have been mongering in Centro here for at least five years, they know how different things are here now.

As an example, I have a friend who has been staying in Centro for the past two months. He seems to be only going with Venezuelans, and he complains that they always want more money, have body odor issues, and other bullshit, albeit the Colombians due way less.

Prior to the Pandemic, the Venezuelan SW's where not in the majority of workers around Centro, but now they are, and at that time they would constantly undercut the Colombians. Well now they weigh out number the Colombians working Centro, and with the onslaught of new mongers who can't believe they could be getting pussy for less than $ 10 USD, along with all their reports, and bingo, here we are today, which you really can't blame on me. LOL.

Another example of how shitty it can be nowadays. On Friday night I took a stroll with some buddies around Veracruz at 8 PM.

One Vennie was with two other friends and was very aggressive and wanted me to take her. I politely told her I had no leche and no desire but she said it's not important that you can't leche and to take her because she needed money. All kind of bullshit and apparently she's probably duped some other gringos who I can only imagine had bad sessions, but wouldn't be trying this stuff with a local.

I don't remember the Colombian SW's prior to the Pandemic being as hard core as some of the Venezuelan SW's are today.

But I don't blame them, and respect them as they are just trying to make a living.

I told my friend he would have better luck with the Colombians.

So for many of the board members who recently started mongering here, they don't know how different it was prior to the Pandemic. And for many they think this place is the best thing since sliced bread.

Unfortunately though there is not much that can done about this except to convene a grand jury of Medellin mongers, and if I am found culpable in the demise of mongering here I guess send me off to prison somewhere. LOL.[/QUOTE]I remember you admitted that an increase of gringo in Centro will harm the price structure and the relationship between the girls and western clients a few years ago. Also you knew that the gringos who are likely to come to Centro are those with problematic characters. Still you couldn't stop bragging your "knowledge" and street smartness, and told everybody to come to Centro.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2853583]Well you go ahead and stand up for them all you want, it's futile. I'm done trying talk any sense into you. And it wasn't cigarettes that were stolen, maybe if your reading comprehension skills were better you would have read that it was a laptop and a camera, not a pack of cigarettes.[/QUOTE]Personally, my reading comprehension is pretty good, but my memory isn't what it used to be.

Wasn't she the girl you left alone in your apartment while you walked down to find her a taxi?

If so, her being a Venezuelan has nothing to do with it. If you leave any hooker alone in your apartment with anything of value around, chances are, something is going to be stolen. Even leaving 1 alone in a room where there's something valuable, even for a minute, is giving her a green light to grab whatever she can.

My own, limited, experiences with Venezuelan women have been fantastic.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2853687]I remember you admitted that an increase of gringo in Centro will harm the price structure and the relationship between the girls and western clients a few years ago. Also you knew that the gringos who are likely to come to Centro are those with problematic characters. Still you couldn't stop bragging your "knowledge" and street smartness, and told everybody to come to Centro.[/QUOTE]I actually sent a private message to him and two others 7+ months ago that basically said to "shut the F up!" he is unable to do so. He again had to place a price in his response. He convinced maybe 50 - 100 guys to come. Being one of the first and easiest countries to enter after COVID brought in thousands. But the real problem was Youtube, Twitter, and other videos that convinced tens of thousands to come visit.

The game has changed in LaLa Land. That is why the girls are fewer and much harder to find now. No, I will not tell you and slit my own throat.

The future as I see it.

The gringos keep offering more and more money. I have had 3 girls ask for 100,000 for no condom sex. I declined. Already saw attitude with that offer. There is local and gringo pricing. In the next 2-3 years the gringo price will be twice as high as the local price. So many girls will make the switch to gringos only. The locals will get tired of such high prices and stop coming. Locals make up around 95% of the Centro girl's customers. So a few less customers will cause a few less girls. Less girls will mean a few less customers so then a few less girls. Then the price will be so high that the majority of the Centro girls will make the jump to Poblado. The remaining girls will be only on bar street behind the church with only the too young and the too old available. From there Poblado may have so many girls of the night that the mayor may shut it down. Then all the girls will only be found in strip clubs, casas, and online.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2853279]
Also I know a lot of them personally, I too have dated several of them evn gone with them to Guatap, etc. And like I said not all are bad some are good honest people. My handyman dude was honest, there's a taxi driver from Maracaibo I met that was honest, many food vendors as well that are honest. But those are in the minority. The majority of the Venezuelan migrants tend to be "the people doing street shit."[/QUOTE]LOL. Gabacho, you are totally right. I was engaged to a Venezuelan. She had a mother who did not steal from the government and prided herself on not doing so. Eventually, the family moved to Peru and left all their stuff behind. I met one of her friends whose father supposedly ripped off the government and they got some of their money out.

The point is Venezuela had a culture of theft. The average Venezuelan felt they lived in a rich country and were only poor because they got ripped off. So the average Venezuelan IMO felt like their stealing was just taking back what they were owed and as in the example above, it was almost like you were foolish if you did not steal.

JustTK thinks all the world's ills are the fault of the USA. Venezuela has more oil than Saudi Arabia, and the reason Venezuela is poor and not rich like Saudi Arabia or even rich like it was is because Hugo Chavez brought in a culture of thieving. He was determined to control the wealth to keep his political opponents in check. Any time any business started making money in Venezuela, he would take it for pennies on the dollar and put his people in command. He claimed these companies were stealing while it was he in fact who was doing the stealing.

And Chavez was an equal opportunity thief. He stole from the USA, Canada, Europe, China, and even Russia. The country should be richer than Saudi Arabia and instead people are eating out of the garbage throughout the country. My ex would send me videos of it and they would make you sick.

Yeah, some people have adapted to Colombia and are honest and hard working, but there are plenty who have taken the culture of stealing with them. It blows me away how the Colombians have taken them in and been so kind given how so many Venezuelans have acted.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2853750]I

The future as I see it.

The gringos keep offering more and more money. I have had 3 girls ask for 100,000 for no condom sex. I declined. Already saw attitude with that offer. There is local and gringo pricing. In the next 2-3 years the gringo price will be twice as high as the local price. So many girls will make the switch to gringos only. The locals will get tired of such high prices and stop coming. Locals make up around 95% of the Centro girl's customers. So a few less customers will cause a few less girls. Less girls will mean a few less customers so then a few less girls. Then the price will be so high that the majority of the Centro girls will make the jump to Poblado. The remaining girls will be only on bar street behind the church with only the too young and the too old available. From there Poblado may have so many girls of the night that the mayor may shut it down. Then all the girls will only be found in strip clubs, casas, and online.[/QUOTE]Not sure about your prediction based on your estimate that locals make up 95% of the Centro girls customers, but seems reasonable.

So based on your estimate, are your saying that 5% of the gringos will drive the pricing so high in Centro for both locals and gringos, that the majority of the Centro girls will jump to Poblado.

The customers who pull in Pobaldo are not going to go with the majority of girls of work Centro as they not very desirable.

The "jump" of girls from Centro to Poblado has been taking place for several months now, and the quality is not all that great, and I doubt it can become any more saturated, especially with more fat and ugly girls from Centro.

Also, based on the majority of the clients being locals in Centro, my prediction is pricing won't change much in Centro except for inflation.

And also something you may not be aware of, but the locals do control pricing to a certain degree in Centro.

If you spend much time in Centro and observe how the locals interact with the girls, a lot of times a local will go up to a girl, and then after a short period of time will walk away.

Typically what has happened is that the local made a "offer" below what the SW wanted which typically a lot of the locals do with the SW's.

So the SW's are cognizant of how sensitive pricing can be, and if they all tried to ask for too much would have little to no business.

So the notion that there is going to be a mass exodus of the Centro girls to Poblado in the future is hard to imagine.

And as far as local and gringo pricing, believe it or not, there are gringos here that can and do get "local pricing" in Centro, but they have Spanish speaking skills.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2853583]Well you go ahead and stand up for them all you want, it's futile. I'm done trying talk any sense into you. And it wasn't cigarettes that were stolen, maybe if your reading comprehension skills were better you would have read that it was a laptop and a camera, not a pack of cigarettes.[/QUOTE]Then its clearly you that's the lazy bltch. Too lazy to hide your stuff and bltchin about 1 girl as if she represents a whole country.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2853846]Then its clearly you that's the lazy bltch. Too lazy to hide your stuff and bltchin about 1 girl as if she represents a whole country.[/QUOTE]I have to agree, Venz. Chicks are even lazier than Colombian women which is very hard to do. They are striving for big and fat asses, but the Colombian bodies are much better.

I had a Venz. Chick work for me briefly a today disaster.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2853846]Then its clearly you that's the lazy bltch. Too lazy to hide your stuff and bltchin about 1 girl as if she represents a whole country.[/QUOTE]Actually it was hidden in my backpack, but I don't want to get into the details of all that, I reported on it back when it happened as well as the failed scopolamine attempt. But anyways yes the Venezuelan people are lazy, inherently criminal-minded, thieves and scammers. And you JustTK are a stupid * idiot.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2853853]I have to agree, Venz. Chicks are even lazier than Colombian women which is very hard to do. They are striving for big and fat asses, but the Colombian bodies are much better.

I had a Venz. Chick work for me briefly a today disaster.[/QUOTE]My gal's father hired a Vennie for his farm, and he was hurt when the Vennie stole from him. I felt for him. I got ripped off by one too, and I made jokes with the father about Vennies.

He had a dog roped up he used for safety purposes. I asked him why he didn't just rope up a Vennie for the job and then I said, "Oh right, the dog is more ethical and less likely to steal from you. " They told me I was being bad but laughed in a way that they were like, "Yeah, that is true. "

We then ran into the grandfather on the mother's side near there, and he had quite the gun collection. I asked him which gun was the best to shoot Vennies, and he laughed and said he didn't shoot them. I think Colombians are close enough to Venezuelans looks wise that they have a lot more compassion for the Vennies than in Peru because Peruvians look so different. The Vennies are super easy to spot in Peru.

And Chavez gave such mixed messages. He chastised people for materialism while stealing the country blind. Thing is when I was in Venezuela I did not see the hotties like I have outside of the country. I did go to the hottest strip club and picked up a the rare spinner there. She was attractive and amazing in bed. When it came time to pay, she would not give me a price. It was like, "If I give you a price, then I am an evil money grubbing capitalist. " That is how Chavez so fucked up the country.

I will say this though DF. All the Vennie women I have had have been good if not great in bed, and the ones in Mexico are not as cocky as the Colombians in Mexico. And there was one really hot Vennie I could have had in CDMX that I blew it with. She surprised me and turned out to be an incredibly honest and ethical person almost as if to compensate for the Vennie reputation.

So while there are exceptions like her, I think guys should just assume a Vennie is a thief until proven otherwise.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2853839]

If you spend much time in Centro and observe how the locals interact with the girls, a lot of times a local will go up to a girl, and then after a short period of time will walk away.[/QUOTE]Oh is that what happens. I thought the guys were asking if they had a pene, and when they say no, they walk away.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2853943]Oh is that what happens. I thought the guys were asking if they had a pene, and when they say no, they walk away.[/QUOTE]Yeah I hadn't thought about that, as I'm sure that has been the case at times.

I suppose I was always looking at the interactions with what appeared to be women, I guess I need to pay more attention so I don't disseminate any wrong information here, or god forbid exclude any type of monger here.

I suppose given my lapse of excluding some mongers here with a different orientation, that I could be subject to sanctioning, maybe perhaps excluded somehow like a disbarred attorney.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2853914]
I will say this though DF. All the Vennie women I have had have been good if not great in bed, and the ones in Mexico are not as cocky as the Colombians in Mexico. And there was one really hot Vennie I could have had in CDMX that I blew it with. She surprised me and turned out to be an incredibly honest and ethical person almost as if to compensate for the Vennie reputation.

So while there are exceptions like her, I think guys should just assume a Vennie is a thief until proven otherwise.[/QUOTE]Yea I agree. They usually are pretty good in bed, although lately I've been into paisas now, but I've had countless great sessions with vennies. My point wasnt about how good they are at fucking. This whole thing started because I had replied to a post by doom about how vennies tend to be lazy and ask for free money without doing anything to earn it.

They tend to have a vibe where they think they are owed money just because. They don't really understand the way the world works. Kind of like their own government I suppose. Most of them just want a hand out or they look for ways to cheat and steal. But they are really good for sex, much better than the Mexican mutts you find in the streets of La Merced in Mexico City, but not better than my beautiful light skinned paisas I've been seeing lately.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2853882]Venezuelan people are lazy, inherently criminal-minded, thieves and scammers. And you JustTK are a stupid * idiot.[/QUOTE]USAns are lazy, inherently criminal minded, violent, selfish, exceptionalist, stupid, thieves and scammers. And you gabacho are USAn.

Why do I think this? Bcos I met one once.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2854224]USAns are lazy, inherently criminal minded, violent, selfish, exceptionalist, stupid, thieves and scammers. And you gabacho are USAn.

Why do I think this? Bcos I met one once.[/QUOTE]Jajajajaja fair enough.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2854039]Yea I agree. They usually are pretty good in bed, although lately I've been into paisas now, but I've had countless great sessions with vennies. My point wasnt about how good they are at fucking. This whole thing started because I had replied to a post by doom about how vennies tend to be lazy and ask for free money without doing anything to earn it.

They tend to have a vibe where they think they are owed money just because. They don't really understand the way the world works. Kind of like their own government I suppose. Most of them just want a hand out or they look for ways to cheat and steal. But they are really good for sex, much better than the Mexican mutts you find in the streets of La Merced in Mexico City, but not better than my beautiful light skinned paisas I've been seeing lately.[/QUOTE]Women throughout the earth have the capacity to be porn stars even if most do not necessarily have the porn star look, however, most women do not give their best unless they know they need to compete most Venezuelans will fuck better than Ecuadorians in Ecuador, they will fuck better in Mexico, Colombia and so on why, because they know they have to step up their game if they want to grab the attention and resources of men of value, Venezuelans have a bead reputation as "husband stealers" guess why because they do they are at their best when they have to step up and compete this is why I encourage younger men to "spin plates" and have a rotation and let them know about it, the flaky one will fall off the true troopers will stay until eventually one wins out, over here in Ecuador it has become fierce Ecuadorian and Venezuelan women are marking territories and with zero contemplation or compulsion about using violence in these streets it is the same in Colombia I am told, Peru has become contested, latina women will compete for men regardless of nations only white women in the western world seem to be clueless the only reason why men get caught in the west is because they are reckless I was raised around men who found out that they had brothers in different families when the patraicrch died true pimping at it's finest we should all be learning from such exemplary performances.

So in order to further enlighten you humans I shall post a beginner's guide by my hommie on TikTok.

[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@sui_sauce/video/7252157707325623595?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7276204401416095237[/URL]

Has to be the know it all buffoons that continually attempt to impress others by preaching the obvious.

Its like they just discovered the spoon and can't wait to tell us all about it.

This is your mind on drugs. Addict.

[QUOTE=Bill;2855906]Has to be the know it all buffoons that continually attempt to impress others by preaching the obvious.

Its like they just discovered the spoon and can't wait to tell us all about it.

This is your mind on drugs. Addict.[/QUOTE]Yea like JusTK he thinks he fucking knows it all. He even goes as far as to say he knows I'm a USA cuando en realidad soy Mexicano pero bueno el sabe lo que sabe. Stupidest idiotas en Medellin discutiendo The stupidest shit in Medellin, but at least it's being posted in the correct forum.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2856067]Yea like JusTK he thinks he fucking knows it all. He even goes as far as to say he knows I'm a USA cuando en realidad soy Mexicano pero bueno el sabe lo que sabe..[/QUOTE]I am so sorry Gabacho. I must apologise. After you claimed you knew what half a population of an entire coutnry thinks, I thought that I could make a claim on you without knowing you. I didn't expect to cause so much ill-feeling. I assumed you were made of sterner stuff. Once again, many apologies. I will go easier on all Mexicans from this moment now that I know they are so fragile.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2856187]I am so sorry Gabacho. I must apologise. After you claimed you knew what half a population of an entire coutnry thinks, I thought that I could make a claim on you without knowing you. I didn't expect to cause so much ill-feeling. I assumed you were made of sterner stuff. Once again, many apologies. I will go easier on all Mexicans from this moment now that I know they are so fragile.[/QUOTE]Apology accepted. Actually maybe I was going a little too hard on the Venezuelans. They aren't all bad people. Priscilla in Cali actually went out of her way to make sure I was having a good time and she was honest and caring and didn't steal anything from me. I have many years of experience with them and more often than not they are good experiences. Honestly I think I'm just still pissed off at that stupid lesbian bitxh that stole my shit back in January.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2856067]Yea like JusTK he thinks he fucking knows it all. He even goes as far as to say he knows I'm a USA cuando en realidad soy Mexicano pero bueno el sabe lo que sabe. Stupidest idiotas en Medellin discutiendo The stupidest shit in Medellin, but at least it's being posted in the correct forum.[/QUOTE]Well, I think given your screen name, it's a fair assumption you're from the Yew Ess. And you don't capitalize mexicano. A native speaker of Spanish would know that.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2856204]Well, I think given your screen name, it's a fair assumption you're from the Yew Ess. And you don't capitalize mexicano. A native speaker of Spanish would know that.[/QUOTE]True about my screen name LOL. And actually the autocorrect on my phone capitalized Mexicano as I typed it, I just just too lazy to go back and delete the capital M and replace it with a lowercase one.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2856204]Well, I think given your screen name, it's a fair assumption you're from the Yew Ess. And you don't capitalize mexicano. A native speaker of Spanish would know that.[/QUOTE]Also there are many native Spanish speakers who spell words entirely wrong let alone use proper capitalization and punctuation.

Particularly they mix up the letters be and v as well as s and see. Words that come to mind are:

"estube" instead of "estuve" "no te vallas" when it should be "no te vayas" and "haber" instead of "a ver" and "Nececito" instead of "necesito".

These mistakes are common among native speakers of Spanish who don't even speak a second language. I see them and many more spelling errors all the time when messaging with native Spanish speakers.

Has anyone else noticed that epm has more than doubled the price per kWh of electricity?? Where I live I have the little box where you have to buy a prepaid recarga of electricity and you enter the pin number off the receipt into the box to top up the electricity. Anyways on past trips it was always a very reasonable 250 to 300 pesos per kWh but now all of the sudden it has risen to 792 pesos per kWh which is more expensive than many people in the US pay for electricity.

Also there's problems going on with the third largest cell phone service provider Tigo and they might be going out of business soon.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2856299]Has anyone else noticed that epm has more than doubled the price per kWh of electricity?? Anyways on past trips it was always a very reasonable 250 to 300 pesos per kWh but now all of the sudden it has risen to 792 pesos per kWh
.[/QUOTE]The presence of mexicans has clearly elevated the estrato of your barrio.

I have heard far too many things about how dangerous it is to live in Ecuador and that Colombia is so much better I find such conversation amusing since my small business dealing with expats is actually growing so this is my response to Colombian travelers that say that Ecuador is like Mogadishu in the 90's.

[URL]https://youtu.be/TpKeTUzxKjE?si=mgI2Zyge1DjAZl0q[/URL]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2856095] Why does it have to be a 6 mil peso iPhone? She can get a used one, 12 or 13 model for much less. Average Lleras hoe can make 300 mil cop per night, serving just 1 dude. 5 times x week = 1,500,000 cop. Do your math. Its not a rocket science. These hoes can make much more than a cashier at Burger King and can easily afford a freaking iphone or a computer. Do you realize she can get a payment plan and pay it off over a year or two? Your claim that every hoe's iPhone is a gift from some sucker is bullshit.[/QUOTE]First point of business, nobody claimed "every hoe's IPhone is a gift from a sucker. " It's worth mentioning that several people in the past have posted they buy iPhones that are a few years old and bring them to give to girls. At least one guy asked how many he could bring, without running afoul of Customs.

Now on the the fun. We'll use Mami'sBoy Math for this.

Average El Centro hoe can make 400 k per day (40 k for 15-20 minutes, 2 sessions per hour, easy 400 k per day). Multiply by 5 and that's 2 million per week. They can easily afford an iPhone, computer and to live in an estrato 5 neighborhood.

Average Facebook hoe can make 600 k per night. 200-300 k per session, 2 or 3 nightly, 3 million per week.

Average "legit" college girl hoe can make 1. 2 million per night. 400-600 k per session, 2 or 3 daily, 4. 8-6 million weekly.

Apparently, every hooker in Colombia is raking in huge amounts of cash.

However, in the real world it doesn't work that way. Very few girls work hard at hooking.

Now on to those "legit college girls. ".

The "doing it for extra money" is almost always bullshit. Doing it because there's no way she could afford college without selling pussy, is much more realistic.

I was just talking to a friend who is spending a few months in Medellin. He mentioned a girl we've both been with. She's mostly retired now, only seeing an occasional old favorite. She started like most, then worked her way into the Mansion. She hustled, saved her money and bought a car. She used the car to do airport runs for guys, straight from immigration to penetration, or the other way around. She continued to be smart with her money and used her business to pay for college. Now that she's got her degree, she's mostly retired.

It does happen, it just doesn't happen as often as you like to pretend.

[QUOTE]Speaking of college girls, if she is legit college girl its a great plus for me personally. I would rather spend my time with someone more educated, someone with goals in life other than party and drugs, someone who doesn't fuck dudes for living but rather to supplement income or pay for school expenses. Some do speak English, which is also a plus. But I understand your point of view, if you are fine with a 15 minute quickie with a street girl, you could care less if she is in college or not. My target audience is different than yours.[/QUOTE]I think I it figured it out. You're not a monger, you're a Pell grant.

[QUOTE=DoomBringer321;2854512]Women throughout the earth have the capacity to be porn stars even if most do not necessarily have the porn star look, however, most women do not give their best unless they know they need to compete most Venezuelans will fuck better than Ecuadorians in Ecuador, they will fuck better in Mexico, Colombia and so on why, because they know they have to step up their game if they want to grab the attention and resources of men of value, Venezuelans have a bead reputation as "husband stealers" guess why because they do they are at their best when they have to step up and compete this is why I encourage younger men to "spin plates" and have a rotation and let them know about it, the flaky one will fall off the true troopers will stay until eventually one wins out, over here in Ecuador it has become fierce Ecuadorian and Venezuelan women are marking territories and with zero contemplation or compulsion about using violence in these streets it is the same in Colombia I am told, Peru has become contested, latina women will compete for men regardless of nations only white women in the western world seem to be clueless the only reason why men get caught in the west is because they are reckless I was raised around men who found out that they had brothers in different families when the patraicrch died true pimping at it's finest we should all be learning from such exemplary performances.

So in order to further enlighten you humans I shall post a beginner's guide by my hommie on TikTok.

[URL]https://www.tiktok.com/@sui_sauce/video/7252157707325623595?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7276204401416095237[/URL][/QUOTE]Doom can you enlighten me as to the process of crossing the Rumichaca border crossing into Ecuador?? Do I just get myself to Ipiales by bus and then take a moto taxi to the border and walk across into Ecuador?? Do I just need my passport? Do they ask to see proof of a return bus ticket or flight within 90 days showing onward travel?

Also after crossing Rumichaca is there another bus terminal nearby to catch the bus to Quito or Guayaquil??

Thanks,

Gabacho.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2856461]
I think I it figured it out. You're not a monger, you're a Pell grant.[/QUOTE]WTF is wrong with you? You spend months lecturing about Covid and spread it around the country.

Then you act like you have some special power with money and how wisely you are spending it on women. If you are so fucking smart, why are you so fucking broke?

Then you brag about how your woman sends you text messages and acts all sweet with you because she is so into you, and you are ragging on MB because he looks for character in women?

You can stop posting now because all your posts are the same.

Whatever any guy pays a woman, it is more than you do.

Whenever any other guy gets affection from a woman, it is because she wants money. With you, it is because you are so great.

You fuck women; other guys fuck hookers.

No one knows what women really do with their money except you.

Strippers lie to all other men except you. With you, strippers are 100% honest.

It is not that hard playing the hooker game. You pay, you fuck. It is a lot harder to tell if a woman likes you for you, in part because of your money, or solely because of it. Any guy who puts himself out there, who stands on the plate can go down swinging. In fact, it is rare to hit the home run. The key is to keep learning. There are no absolutes except one.

When some narcissist likes you steps up to the plate and says all he hits are home runs, tune them out.

You are the last person anyone should listen to on this forum about women.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2856587]Doom can you enlighten me as to the process of crossing the Rumichaca border crossing into Ecuador?? Do I just get myself to Ipiales by bus and then take a moto taxi to the border and walk across into Ecuador?? Do I just need my passport? Do they ask to see proof of a return bus ticket or flight within 90 days showing onward travel?

Also after crossing Rumichaca is there another bus terminal nearby to catch the bus to Quito or Guayaquil??

Thanks,

Gabacho.[/QUOTE]I did it, but in the reverse order. Took a bus from Quito's North Terminal to Tulcan, which is a town on the Ecuadorian side. From Tulcan took a cab to the border. Got off, walked thru ecuadorian customs, got my exit stamp, then crossed the bridge, and walked through Colombian customs, got my entry stamp. Then took another cab to Ipiales bus station. From there, got on a bus to Cali. Nobody asked me anything. Passport is all you need. Ipiales is sketchy as fuck at night.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2856461]First point of business, nobody claimed "every hoe's IPhone is a gift from a sucker. " It's worth mentioning that several people in the past have posted they buy iPhones that are a few years old and bring them to give to girls. At least one guy asked how many he could bring, without running afoul of Customs.

Now on the the fun. We'll use Mami'sBoy Math for this.

Average El Centro hoe can make 400 k per day (40 k for 15-20 minutes, 2 sessions per hour, easy 400 k per day). Multiply by 5 and that's 2 million per week. They can easily afford an iPhone, computer and to live in an estrato 5 neighborhood.

Average Facebook hoe can make 600 k per night. 200-300 k per session, 2 or 3 nightly, 3 million per week.

Average "legit" college girl hoe can make 1. 2 million per night. 400-600 k per session, 2 or 3 daily, 4. 8-6 million weekly.

Apparently, every hooker in Colombia is raking in huge amounts of cash.

However, in the real world it doesn't work that way. Very few girls work hard at hooking.

Now on to those "legit college girls. ".

The "doing it for extra money" is almost always bullshit. Doing it because there's no way she could afford college without selling pussy, is much more realistic.

I was just talking to a friend who is spending a few months in Medellin. He mentioned a girl we've both been with. She's mostly retired now, only seeing an occasional old favorite. She started like most, then worked her way into the Mansion. She hustled, saved her money and bought a car. She used the car to do airport runs for guys, straight from immigration to penetration, or the other way around. She continued to be smart with her money and used her business to pay for college. Now that she's got her degree, she's mostly retired.

It does happen, it just doesn't happen as often as you like to pretend.

I think I it figured it out. You're not a monger, you're a Pell grant.[/QUOTE]While the rates per session / date are correct, you inflated the number of sessions they do daily. A legit college girl won't fuck 2-3 guys daily, you know why? Because she is in fucking college, and doesn't have time for multiple sessions. Plus, she doesn't do it for living unlike the hoes you are fucking. Most girls have time to meet once or twice a week. Those girls who also have normal jobs, full time or part time, can meet once or twice per month. You got to redo your math, genius. I have said this before, there are thousands, if not tens of thousands, college girls in MDE alone. Some are available for p4 p, others are not. I never said it is easy to find the ones who are, but they are out there, it takes time and effort to find them. Also, there is a large category of women who have real jobs, but are open to p4 p because the pay is low. There are girls who are opposed to p4 p, but are open to meet and date the right gringo. Sure, they are not easy to find and score, but they do exist.

Speaking of selling pussy to pay for college. I admire the women who do whatever it takes to get education and get a better life after. If she just needs some extra money, that's fine too.

What are you doing on ISG though? I thought you had a GF. Killing time while waiting for your truck to get loaded / unloaded? Or while taking a shit at Flying J truck stop? You think you are a Medellin guru and everybody needs your "valuable" advice? LOL.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2856652]I did it, but in the reverse order. Took a bus from Quito's North Terminal to Tulcan, which is a town on the Ecuadorian side. From Tulcan took a cab to the border. Got off, walked thru ecuadorian customs, got my exit stamp, then crossed the bridge, and walked through Colombian customs, got my entry stamp. Then took another cab to Ipiales bus station. From there, got on a bus to Cali. Nobody asked me anything. Passport is all you need. Ipiales is sketchy as fuck at night.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info bro. I'm seriously thinking about going to check out Ecuador, especially if I max out my 180 days in Colombia.

I'll make sure to pack my shower head LOL.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2856657]While the rates per session / date are correct, you inflated the number of sessions they do daily. A legit college girl won't fuck 2-3 guys daily, you know why? Because she is in fucking college, and doesn't have time for multiple sessions. Plus, she doesn't do it for living unlike the hoes you are fucking. Most girls have time to meet once or twice a week. Those girls who also have normal jobs, full time or part time, can meet once or twice per month. You got to redo your math, genius. I have said this before, there are thousands, if not tens of thousands, college girls in MDE alone. Some are available for p4 p, others are not. I never said it is easy to find the ones who are, but they are out there, it takes time and effort to find them. Also, there is a large category of women who have real jobs, but are open to p4 p because the pay is low. There are girls who are opposed to p4 p, but are open to meet and date the right gringo. Sure, they are not easy to find and score, but they do exist.

Speaking of selling pussy to pay for college. I admire the women who do whatever it takes to get education and get a better life after. If she just needs some extra money, that's fine too.

What are you doing on ISG though? I thought you had a GF. Killing time while waiting for your truck to get loaded / unloaded? Or while taking a shit at Flying J truck stop? You think you are a Medellin guru and everybody needs your "valuable" advice? LOL.[/QUOTE]So you missed the point entirely? No surprise there. Just like your "legit college girl", the lleras hoes usually aren't doing 5 customers per week. More like 5 per month.

Very few "hoes" are doing p4 p "for a living. " Most don't understand the concept. Doing it for a living involves keeping a schedule, working regularly, finding ways to advance in the trade. The frequency which guys report girls who show up late, or don't show at all should tip you off that hoes aren't doing it for a living. Then there are the ones asking outrageous prices, unwilling to negotiate. Doing it for a living means setting daily income goals and reaching them. Holding firm on $300 USD means going home broke. Dropping to 500 k, and providing excellent service means going home with 500 k, and possibly getting a regular customer plus referrals.

What am I doing on ISG? Well yesterday I was waiting for a flight to meet my GF at an undisclosed US location. This morning it's because jet lag has me awake much too early, and she's still sleeping. Estamos contento. It has already been a great weekend. Nothing like a sweet girl, on her knees en la ducha, giving a BBBJ with full eye contact to brighten one's day.

Has that been your complaint all along? You don't like that I've given advice and received thanks for the advice? I don't give much anymore, since I'm out of the market. Mostly I just point out the stupid shit, or at least the stuff I have time for.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2856657]While the rates per session / date are correct, you inflated the number of sessions they do daily. A legit college girl won't fuck 2-3 guys daily, you know why? Because she is in fucking college, and doesn't have time for multiple sessions. Plus, she doesn't do it for living unlike the hoes you are fucking. Most girls have time to meet once or twice a week. Those girls who also have normal jobs, full time or part time, can meet once or twice per month. You got to redo your math, genius. I have said this before, there are thousands, if not tens of thousands, college girls in MDE alone. Some are available for p4 p, others are not. I never said it is easy to find the ones who are, but they are out there, it takes time and effort to find them. Also, there is a large category of women who have real jobs, but are open to p4 p because the pay is low. There are girls who are opposed to p4 p, but are open to meet and date the right gringo. Sure, they are not easy to find and score, but they do exist.

Speaking of selling pussy to pay for college. I admire the women who do whatever it takes to get education and get a better life after. If she just needs some extra money, that's fine too.

What are you doing on ISG though? I thought you had a GF. Killing time while waiting for your truck to get loaded / unloaded? Or while taking a shit at Flying J truck stop? You think you are a Medellin guru and everybody needs your "valuable" advice? LOL.[/QUOTE]It's very rare for me to say this, but I agree with everything MiamiBoy says. Most of these girls in college and with real jobs don't have time to screw multiple guys per day and / or don't want to. Most of these girls just want to supplement their income and are open to meeting gringos for the right price if they feel safe with you.

[QUOTE=Gilolo;2852083]Nowadays, I think all the men fuck bareback in Colombia. I do only bareback and all the girls on facebook are OK to fuck with me without condom. Only few of them ask me more money. Same for the botero girls, usually they asK 50 000 pesos + 50 000 for BBFS. Even the pornstars in Colobia accept without any hesitation but are mucho more expensive.

Today, nobody use condoms in Colombia. It's over![/QUOTE]Crazy and Irresponsible.

This is how STIs spread.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2856657]Speaking of selling pussy to pay for college. I admire the women who do whatever it takes to get education and get a better life after. If she just needs some extra money, that's fine too.

What are you doing on ISG though? I thought you had a GF. Killing time while waiting for your truck to get loaded / unloaded? Or while taking a shit at Flying J truck stop? You think you are a Medellin guru and everybody needs your "valuable" advice? LOL.[/QUOTE]This is part of the problem I always keep hearing how men want some traditionality because Western women are A be or see but here is the thing, no MAN on the face of planet Earth has ever said listen she has a Ph. The. OMG, I am getting an erection and want to fuck her brains out, if women get an education in order to better themselves it's because they want to better themselves not better themselves for a MAN, you see she wants to get an education so she does not have to put up with guys asking them for a blow job for x amount of money, on a personal note this type of "college" women I tend to avoid because they might look good but they are far from feminine or submissive, the problem is that a lot of men with a western mindset have bought into the whole "female empowerment" vibe and then I see them crying in MIA my hometown on how their Colombian girlfriend has cheated on them or are leaving because they are not "happy" it is not that they are not happy it's that in their view her hypergamous nature tells them she has exceeded you and there is "something better" out there for her, the best advice is to fuck them leave them and always remember relationships are a transaction when you think it's is not you are setting up yourself for disappointment.

[QUOTE=QueRico;2856748]Crazy and Irresponsible.

This is how STIs spread.[/QUOTE]Why is it crazy irresponsible? If both parties understand the risk involved and consent to do it without a condom then that is their decision to make and their right to do so. If you're not willing to take the risk then by all means use a condom, but what right do you have to tell 2 other consenting adults that they have to use a condom??

Its the same just like with Covid, if you want to get vaccinated by all means get vaccinated, get the booster shot, get the bivalent shot, etc. But what right do you have to tell someone else that they have to get vaccinated if they don't want to?

[QUOTE=QueRico;2856748]Crazy and Irresponsible.

This is how STIs spread.[/QUOTE]I have always heard that men are supposed to do XYZ the problem is first it takes 2 to tango, second for those that have the capacity to understand biology which gender in the animal kingdom has ALWAYS selected the males in order to propagate the new species, anyone? Whether it is a monkey, lion, zebra, or human women almost always pick the best mates and it is usually the top of the most "alpha" males the rituals to achieve this including in the human species vary like animals we are slaves to our nature we have the capacity to not be slaves to our nature but that is rare in the animal kingdoms and there are consequences, as we see in the west with the 1457 genders and counting, the burden of responsibility always falls on the gender who pays the most consequences for said actions, in the case of the maximum biological consequence of sex ie. Child rearing and unwanted pregnancies and STIs, that does not make men less responsible but I as a pimp player extraordinaire that I am, who run my own contacts and stable of women who I hook up with foreigners, I have hear far too many stories of guys who come in responsible (putting a condom on) and a girl playing with the head on the clit and semi penetrating, and they loose the barriers sometimes slightly sometimes blatantly and that is not even counting the fact that I know girls who have popped condoms on purpose.

Moral of the story players keep this is like boxing your guard must be up at all times.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2856736]It's very rare for me to say this, but I agree with everything MiamiBoy says. Most of these girls in college and with real jobs don't have time to screw multiple guys per day and / or don't want to. Most of these girls just want to supplement their income and are open to meeting gringos for the right price if they feel safe with you.[/QUOTE]Most of the girls in college and with real jobs don't supplement their income by fucking strangers. However, many of the girls who willingly fuck strangers for money will happily tell you they are in college or have a regular job, if it gets them more money.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2856843]Why is it crazy irresponsible? If both parties understand the risk involved and consent to do it without a condom then that is their decision to make and their right to do so. If you're not willing to take the risk then by all means use a condom, but what right do you have to tell 2 other consenting adults that they have to use a condom??

Its the same just like with Covid, if you want to get vaccinated by all means get vaccinated, get the booster shot, get the bivalent shot, etc. But what right do you have to tell someone else that they have to get vaccinated if they don't want to?[/QUOTE]Covid is completely different. There is only so much you can do to prevent infection but with STDs you have almost full control. HIV OTOH is an incurable, life-long condition you can never get rid of. Now if two people agree to not use condoms it is of course their legal right to do so but IMHO it's still irresponsible. We will have to agree to disagree on this matter.

Using protection is a simple habit and with a bit of routine it doesn't even bother you much. I for one feel so much better using rubber because I protect both her and me at the same time.

YMMV.

[QUOTE=DoomBringer321;2856864]I have always heard that men are supposed to do XYZ the problem is first it takes 2 to tango, second for those that have the capacity to understand biology which gender in the animal kingdom has ALWAYS selected the males in order to propagate the new species, anyone? [/QUOTE]What does the power women have over the mating process have to do with a decision you take _after_ having been granted mating rights? How many women will reject a man because he dons protection?

Daniel Quintero just resigned as the mayor of Medellin. Maybe now those stupid vayas around plaza botero will finally be taken down.

Good fucking riddance to the corrupt asshole.

I hoping Fico wins the election on the 29th.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2856729]
Very few "hoes" are doing p4 p "for a living. " Most don't understand the concept. Doing it for a living involves keeping a schedule, working regularly, finding ways to advance in the trade. The frequency which guys report girls who show up late, or don't show at all should tip you off that hoes aren't doing it for a living.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2856958]Most of the girls in college and with real jobs don't supplement their income by fucking strangers. However, many of the girls who willingly fuck strangers for money will happily tell you they are in college or have a regular job, if it gets them more money.[/QUOTE]I wonder which is true: either you know every hooker and college student in Medellin or you are totally full of shit. Well, actually, I don't wonder.

Also, you and your crew "knew" every woman on seeking / SA and the motivation of all of the women on there even without every using the site.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2856958]Well yesterday I was waiting for a flight to meet my GF at an undisclosed US location. This morning it's because jet lag has me awake much too early, and she's still sleeping. Estamos contento. It has already been a great weekend. Nothing like a sweet girl, on her knees en la ducha, giving a BBBJ with full eye contact to brighten one's day.[/QUOTE]You met her on Facebook, pay for everything, have sex with her, so why is she is a GF and not a hooker?

Oh right, she is with you. Other guys have hookers; you have GFs.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2856843]Why is it crazy irresponsible? If both parties understand the risk involved and consent to do it without a condom then that is their decision to make and their right to do so. If you're not willing to take the risk then by all means use a condom, but what right do you have to tell 2 other consenting adults that they have to use a condom??

Its the same just like with Covid, if you want to get vaccinated by all means get vaccinated, get the booster shot, get the bivalent shot, etc. But what right do you have to tell someone else that they have to get vaccinated if they don't want to?[/QUOTE]This is Fauci's follies. You'd think that after all the bullshit with Covid and masks, people would just stop with this disease prevention crap. With masks, Fauci said they don't work then they absolutely worked and his latest gaffe was they don't work all the time but do in some cases.

And Fauci was the fucker who fueled the whole fueled the whole AIDS / safe sex insanity in the late 80's and early 90's.

Condoms and STDs are like Covid and masks. You can find whatever result you want, and arguing is futile. Only thing everyone agrees on is that condoms are good for preventing pregnancy.

The college girl trope is so persistent an urban legend that I have known weekend warrior guys who sacrifice days of their precious vacation time hanging around areas near universities in the hopes of meeting them.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2856958]Most of the girls in college and with real jobs don't supplement their income by fucking strangers. However, many of the girls who willingly fuck strangers for money will happily tell you they are in college or have a regular job, if it gets them more money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2856334]The presence of mexicans has clearly elevated the estrato of your barrio.[/QUOTE]Actually I just found out that the expensive rate of 792 pesos per kWh was only charged because it was towards the end of the month. Apparently when you buy your electricity at the beginning of the month epm gives you a subsidy so you're basically getting a bunch of electricity for free. I just bought a recarga for $16 k COP and they gave me over 100 KWh.

So you just have to wait til the 1st of the month to get a much better price on the electricity. I think I might go back and put another 20 mil on it just for shits and giggle lmao.

[QUOTE=QueRico;2857015]What does the power women have over the mating process have to do with a decision you take _after_ having been granted mating rights? How many women will reject a man because he dons protection?[/QUOTE]That is the point women historically and biologically have had to pay the burden of unintended consequences, men are dogs we do not have to behave like them but let's keep it real male behavior is nothing if not predictable, men should be responsible for their seed or STI but when the moment comes historically one gender has always had more responsibilities in such matters than another and it shows just how much women have changed over their grandmothers since the 7 decades and counting of feminism.

Women in modern times do not give a fuck about their bodies they live life on easy mode and that is the point that I stress over and over to people that quite frankly have limited sexual options back home, yet behave like kids in a candy store when in LA, Asia, Eastern Europe, or wherever they don't know the game and then when some unintended consequences occur it turns out all women are XYZ that was not the tune that men are singing when that pipe was being laid, women will not reject a man that is correct however they will manipulate a situation as much as possible so they get what they want and men that are not keen on the game do not realize it till it is usually too late.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2856843]Why is it crazy irresponsible? If both parties understand the risk involved and consent to do it without a condom then that is their decision to make and their right to do so. If you're not willing to take the risk then by all means use a condom, but what right do you have to tell 2 other consenting adults that they have to use a condom??

Its the same just like with Covid, if you want to get vaccinated by all means get vaccinated, get the booster shot, get the bivalent shot, etc. But what right do you have to tell someone else that they have to get vaccinated if they don't want to?[/QUOTE]Because in both instances, a person's selfish behavior is spreading a virus. In the former case of condoms, I can avoid diseased hookers. In the latter case of vaccines, I cannot avoid diseased assholes. That's why public health authorities have long been authorized to enforce vaccine requirements, and why legal precedent consistently reports this. So one right to tell you that you need to get vaccinated stems directly from rule of law. Jacobson vs. Massachusetts went to the SCOTUS in 1905. Ever hear of smallpox?

Now if you want to overturn a Supreme Court Decision, you know what to do, right? You merely need to get 38 of the 50 not so United States to agree to pass a constitutional amendment. Oh, but you can't do that because you're from México. No, you're not. You're first language is English.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2857035]Only thing everyone agrees on is that condoms are good for preventing pregnancy.[/QUOTE]Yeah, just not as good as ANY other modern method.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2857030]I wonder which is true: either you know every hooker and college student in Medellin or you are totally full of shit. Well, actually, I don't wonder.

Also, you and your crew "knew" every woman on seeking / SA and the motivation of all of the women on there even without every using the site.

You met her on Facebook, pay for everything, have sex with her, so why is she is a GF and not a hooker?

Oh right, she is with you. Other guys have hookers; you have GFs.[/QUOTE]Maybe he was just jerking off at a truck stop bathroom and fantasizing about a girl flying over from a foreign country just to give him a morning BJ in the shower?

And yeah, I'm wondering the same thing, how can he possibly know what college girls in Medellin do to supplement income and who they fuck? He has no fucking clue, but thinks he knows it all.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2856958]Most of the girls in college and with real jobs don't supplement their income by fucking strangers. However, many of the girls who willingly fuck strangers for money will happily tell you they are in college or have a regular job, if it gets them more money.[/QUOTE]Do you even realize that a stranger to a girl could be any person whom she has not met or heard of before? Once a girl meets a guy in person, they are no longer strangers. Whether they fuck on the first date, or 5th date, or a year later, is irrelevant. Do you also realize that nobody forces a girl to fuck someone she doesn't like? Do you understand that she can be very selective and only sleeps with someone she likes or trusts, someone who meets her personal standards? P4 p or not, doesn't matter. This is called consensual sex between two adults.

Also, how does the fact that she is in college or has a job, affect the allowance I'm willing to give? What it might affect is my desire to meet her again, if she is interesting enough. Or my desire to travel with her later on. And college girls or those with real jobs, are usually more interesting to me than an average brainless SW girl or some run through facebook girl that fucks guys for living.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2857035]

Condoms and STDs are like Covid and masks. You can find whatever result you want, and arguing is futile. Only thing everyone agrees on is that condoms are good for preventing pregnancy.[/QUOTE]Not the case.

Properly used quality condoms _do_ protect from most STIs.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2857129]Because in both instances, a person's selfish behavior is spreading a virus. In the former case of condoms, I can avoid diseased hookers. In the latter case of vaccines, I cannot avoid diseased assholes. That's why public health authorities have long been authorized to enforce vaccine requirements, and why legal precedent consistently reports this. So one right to tell you that you need to get vaccinated stems directly from rule of law. Jacobson vs. Massachusetts went to the SCOTUS in 1905. Ever hear of smallpox?

Now if you want to overturn a Supreme Court Decision, you know what to do, right? You merely need to get 38 of the 50 not so United States to agree to pass a constitutional amendment. Oh, but you can't do that because you're from Mxico. No, you're not. You're first language is English.[/QUOTE]I am vaccinated you idiot. No one was talking about supreme court cases or constitutional amendments. All I was saying is it's my body it's my choice. If you want to use a condom or if you want to get vaccinated it is your choice to do so, the converse is also true, if you don't want to do either of those you don't have to, and no one can force the matter either way. If two parties agree to consent to unprotected sex they have the right to do so and no third party has the right to stop them and put a condom on the dudes dick.

Also we are not even in the United States or talking about laws in the United States, so why would US supreme court cases and US constitutional amendments apply to everyday life in Medellin??

Of course I have heard of small pox, again that has nothing to do with what was being discussed here. It seems you are just blabbing utter nonsense that doesn't mean anything, so please callese el hosico Señor Huacho.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2857254]All I was saying is it's my body it's my choice.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that it's not. Never said you weren't vaccinated so maybe the idiot is the one with the poor reading comprehension.

[QUOTE=QueRico;2857253]Not the case.

Properly used quality condoms _do_ protect from most STIs.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2001/09/nih-condom-report-glass-90-full[/URL]

"Adequate data are available to conclude that consistent and correct condom use prevents unintended pregnancies, HIV infection and gonorrhea in men. ".

" Evidence that condom use prevents the other six STIs reviewed by the panel is insufficient, however. ".

[URL]http://liamscheff.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/padian-10-year-sex-study.pdf[/URL]

The transmission rate from HIV + spouse to HIV. Spouse over a ten year period in this study was. Zero!

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latex_allergy[/URL]

"Estimates of latex sensitivity in the general population range from 0. 8% to 8. 2%,although not all will ever develop a noticeable allergic reaction.

Now I can find just as much if not more information on the other side for the benefits of condoms. Whether you are for or against condoms, there is information out there to support your POV.

I was hoping that after all this Covid prevention nonsense that absolutism with regards to disease prevention would end, but I guess not.

[QUOTE=QueRico;2857253]Not the case.

Properly used quality condoms _do_ protect from most STIs.[/QUOTE]I tried using a condom yesterday with a girl I found in the Veracruz church area just to test your hypothesis that "it doesn't even bother you that much. " And your hypothesis was wrong. It bothered me a lot.

The condom was so tight on my dick that it left a ring at the base of my penis where it was cutting off the circulation. It also felt very plasticy during the sex like I couldn't feel the vagina hardly at all, I could see that I was penetrating her but if I closed my eyes and went solely off of how it felt I could have been fucking the air and it would have felt like the same thing. No moisture, no warmth, no skin to skin friction, just uncomfortable tight elastic plastic bullshit. That may not bother you but for me, it bothers me alot.

Here's a picture of the condom that was used to test your hypothesis. And the other picture is the bag of them that I haven't used from all the girls I have barebacked in botero real LOL.

Would you like to buy them for 500 cop a piece? I must have at least 40 or 50 of them in this zip lock bag.

Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2857308]I tried using a condom yesterday with a girl I found in the Veracruz church area just to test your hypothesis that "it doesn't even bother you that much. " And your hypothesis was wrong. It bothered me a lot.

The condom was so tight on my dick that it left a ring at the base of my penis where it was cutting off the circulation. It also felt very plasticy during the sex like I couldn't feel the vagina hardly at all, I could see that I was penetrating her but if I closed my eyes and went solely off of how it felt I could have been fucking the air and it would have felt like the same thing. No moisture, no warmth, no skin to skin friction, just uncomfortable tight elastic plastic bullshit. That may not bother you but for me, it bothers me alot.

Here's a picture of the condom that was used to test your hypothesis. And the other picture is the bag of them that I haven't used from all the girls I have barebacked in botero real LOL.

Would you like to buy them for 500 cop a piece? I must have at least 40 or 50 of them in this zip lock bag.

Gabacho.[/QUOTE]You made my day. Thanks for posting, pal.

I can totally understand your frustration with the experience.

My two cents: first you need to get stuff in the right size. Look for brands like "MySize". I don't want to advertise them, they are just one example of several brands. Heck, they even have a printable measure for download.

Once you got them: practice, practice, practice.

I had some chicks who were able to put them on while giving head. They were so good at it you hardly feelt it.

Anyway, thanks for your field experiment. Happy shagging everybody.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2857287]Unfortunately the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that it's not. Never said you weren't vaccinated so maybe the idiot is the one with the poor reading comprehension.[/QUOTE]Again we are not in the United States and the United States supreme court had nothing to do with Colombia. You are a complete Moron, Huacho.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2857360]Again we are not in the United States and the United States supreme court had nothing to do with Colombia. You are a complete Moron, Huacho.[/QUOTE]Your generic statements about condoms and vaccines also have nothing to do with Colombia, or the Yew Ess, or Botswana etc. And even though you're un mexicano trucho, you'll find that the law is very similar there as far as refusing to cooperate with public health emergencies.

[QUOTE=QueRico;2857350]I had some chicks who were able to put them on while giving head. They were so good at it you hardly felt it.[/QUOTE]The first hooker I ever fucked in Argentina did that and did it facing away from me. But, I could tell pretty quick, personally But she wasn't that good of a fellatrix. Later others did it better. But the thing about this first one, it had nothing to do with safety, because she would fuck raw dog. She just didn't like the taste.

To be abundantly clear for those with poor reading skills, the difference between not using condoms and not getting vaccinated is that the latter can affect innocent bystanders while the former cannot. It's a pretty important distinction and the two require vastly different public health policies.

One thing I can always count on, If Elvis posts he's guaranteed to not have a clue what he's posting about.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2857030]I wonder which is true: either you know every hooker and college student in Medellin or you are totally full of shit. Well, actually, I don't wonder.[/QUOTE]Example 1:

Do I need to know every plumber in NYC to figure how much it's going to cost to replace the wax ring on a toilet? Of course the answer is "Elvis is clueless again (or still). ".

I know college girls in Medellin, and hoes too. I spent 10 months sharing an apartment with a college girl, who was not a hoe. Met several of her friends, who were college girls and not hoes. I've met several others over the years. I've discussed the concept with some of them. Most were vehemently opposed to prostitution, my roommate included, even though she was and still is a webcam model.

Here's an example. My roommate had a boyfriend, although she was single on webcam. Most webcam models list themselves as single, because it plays into the fantasy of the customers. She had gone to an industry convention and went to the party that one of the big porn sites threw. She got drunk and (according to her) made out with that company's South America liason (my opinion is she fucked him). When she got home she told me about and didn't know what to do, mainly because she enjoyed it.

He kept messaging her, trying to get a date, even came in her webcam and tipped big. Then he made the mistake of telling her he was married and wanted to support her. She got so pissed he wanted to treat her like a hoe she broke her phone.

On to the hoes. Quite a few I've known for 5 or 6 years. Several of them claimed to be college students. It appeared that 1 of them had worked briefly as a secretary at UPB, but that was before I met her. The rest? Cosmetology, Dental tech, Call center. All low paying jobs or training programs.

There are women with decent to good jobs, or who are college students who will sell pussy, either to supplement an income, or as a primary means of support. However, unlike Mami'sBoy's claim, it's not the majority.

Even a complete brainless fuckstain like you should be able to understand that one. I'll give you a clue, although you'll have no idea what to do with it. There are also male college students. If all the women have to sell pussy in college, I guess all the guys have to sell dick. Right?

[QUOTE]Also, you and your crew "knew" every woman on seeking / SA and the motivation of all of the women on there even without every using the site.[/QUOTE]My crew? You've been babbling incoherently about "my crew" for a couple of years now. Granted, babbling incoherently is the only thing you do consistently. However, I have no idea who this crew is. I know many guys who either live in Colombia, or spend a lot of time there, but I can't think of any who actually know more than 2 other people who I know. I don't hang out with any of them, although I do stop in and say Hello, to a few, from time to time.

[QUOTE]You met her on Facebook, pay for everything, have sex with her, so why is she is a GF and not a hooker?

Oh right, she is with you. Other guys have hookers; you have GFs.[/QUOTE]See? Consistently babbling incoherently. I didn't meet her on Facebook. Although she has a Facebook, as well as an Instagram account, she never posts on either. Her social media activity is limited to liking posts from a small group of friends and family. I covered all of that 3 years ago, and a few more times since then.

I don't pay for everything either. When we travel together, sure I pay. It's (IMO) part of being a man. Of course, someone who claims a man has to deserve to be with a woman wouldn't understand. When we go to dinner, I pick up the tab. For the most part she supports herself. See how often you babble incoherently? You've gone on and on about me being penniless, and now apparently, I'm rolling in dough.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2857134]Maybe he was just jerking off at a truck stop bathroom and fantasizing about a girl flying over from a foreign country just to give him a morning BJ in the shower?

And yeah, I'm wondering the same thing, how can he possibly know what college girls in Medellin do to supplement income and who they fuck? He has no fucking clue, but thinks he knows it all.[/QUOTE]It's bizarre how many guys on ISG fantasize about me masturbating. Even throwing in specific details like "in a truck stop bathroom. ".

She didn't "just fly over" to give me a BJ. It's just 1 of the benefits. Again, it's bizarre that me getting a BJ somehow hurts your feelings.

I don't think I know it all. I do know some college girls (covered elsewhere). I have had discussions with some of them about the subject. Not because I was trying to pay them for sex, but to get their impressions on prostitution. It's outside of your area of expertise. First, it requires the ability to interact with them in Spanish. Second, it requires the ability to talk to a woman without paying her for sex.

It's quite interesting, especially when some of them are webcam models. Most, at least most of the girls who turn webcam into a career (as opposed to those who work in webcam for a few months and then quit), don't see getting paid by guys watching them masturbate on cam as anything like prostitution (or like porn, where they fuck whatever guy is cast). The good ones treat it like they're hanging out with friends (naked and masturbating).

I don't know what every college girl in Medellin does to supplement their income. However, I can look up tuition costs, along with student demographics, add that to the attitudes of the college girls I know and quickly determine that most college students aren't fucking gringos to pay the bills. Or I could just take my experience on a Medellin college campus (EAFIT), where they have both male and female students. You finding a lot of college guys on Seeking too?

I can also compare notes from all of the webcam models and hookers who claimed to be college students, but weren't. It's a common fantasy. I haven't looked at the Colombian escort sites in years, but I do remember there were a lot of "college students" there, a disproportionate number. As I said, it's a common fantasy. Why not capitalize on it? After all, there are a lot of clueless gringos.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2857137]Do you even realize that a stranger to a girl could be any person whom she has not met or heard of before? Once a girl meets a guy in person, they are no longer strangers. Whether they fuck on the first date, or 5th date, or a year later, is irrelevant. Do you also realize that nobody forces a girl to fuck someone she doesn't like? Do you understand that she can be very selective and only sleeps with someone she likes or trusts, someone who meets her personal standards? P4 p or not, doesn't matter. This is called consensual sex between two adults.

Also, how does the fact that she is in college or has a job, affect the allowance I'm willing to give? What it might affect is my desire to meet her again, if she is interesting enough. Or my desire to travel with her later on. And college girls or those with real jobs, are usually more interesting to me than an average brainless SW girl or some run through facebook girl that fucks guys for living.[/QUOTE]Wow. That's an incredible amount of stupid in just 2 paragraphs.

A stranger is a person a girl doesn't know. You might have skipped some of the embarrassment if you had stopped there. Sadly, when it comes to ridiculous shit, you're a densely populated city with a contaminated water supply. In other words, the shit is endless.

Girls see hundreds of guys every day who are still strangers. They pass them on the street, stand next to them on the Metro, ride in their taxi. It's crazy that you think just because a woman has laid eyes on a man he's no longer a stranger. Or if she's heard of him? Did you really type that, or did the idiocy fairy take over for you?

And just because she's met a guy doesn't mean he's no longer a stranger. Anyone who has ever talked to a woman knows that. Most of my single, female Facebook friends complain about that constantly. They'll meet a guy briefly and next thing the guy's hitting them up.

Actually, especially in more conservative countries, like Colombia, whether a girl fucks on the first date or fifth date is relevant, especially when you're paying her to fuck. Not many guys are going to pat a girl to not fuck for 4 dates, or however many it takes, before paying her to fuck. Unless she's a hoe:

1. She's almost certainly not fucking you on the first date. Chances are, the first date will be chaperoned by friends or relatives.

2. She's not asking guys to pay her for sex. Nor is she open to the possibility of you paying her for sex. If she feels that you are actually a couple, she may be willing to accept help with her bills, but that's well beyond the fifth date (unless she's a hoe).

Nobody forces a girl to fuck a guy she doesn't like? Honestly? It's like you just wrote the stupidest thing ever, said to yourself "nobody could be stupider than that" then said "hold my beer. ".

You've never heard of rape? Once again, if you had ever had a conversation with a woman (and she trusted you, and you weren't paying her for sex) you would almost certainly have heard about attempted rapes, friends who were raped, friends who were drugged by guys trying to rape them, or actual rapes.

No, rape aside, it is not called "consensual sex between adults" if 1 person is paying the other for sex. That's called prostitution. While the prostitutes can be selective on which customers they fuck, it's not "consensual sex. " There's an easy way to test this. Agree to pay a woman for sex. After the sex, refuse to pay her.

Most women (who are not prostitutes) don't sleep with guys because they like or trust them. There is an age bracket between around 35-45 where it's more likely, but outside of that, if they aren't prostitutes, they want something more, some type of connection or relationship, or at least the belief that it's heading in that direction.

Even if they did, a complete stranger asking to meet to determine whether he wants to pay her for sex, is not going to build trust, unless she's a prostitute.

You have stated repeatedly that you are seeking women who are in college or have jobs. You've also stated several times that you have to outbid the other guys to get their attention. So who says those things affect the allowance you're willing to give? Well, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but you do.

SW's? Run through Facebook girls? There you go again. It's as if you're not only a complete idiot, but that you insist on declaring the fact every fucking time. The last time I did a SW was probably 1989. Haven't done a Facebook girl for 3 or 4 years. Why would I? I've got literally thousands of contacts now, but I don't even bother with most of them. The 3 that I do now are my GF, a college girl and a business owner. I did pay the business owner for sex the first time. Covid shutdown had wiped out that business. I've never paid the other 2 for sex, although, I've spent money on all 3.

The GF took persistence and patience, combined with a certain skill I have. The same skill was crucial to landing the college girl, who has a fetish which I'm able to help her with. The business owner likes me and trusts me. Just wrote about her several weeks ago. She's the one who wanted a 3 some with her best friend.

I look forward to your next attempt to prove just how little you know.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2857137]Do you also realize that nobody forces a girl to fuck someone she doesn't like? Do you understand that she can be very selective and only sleeps with someone she likes or trusts, someone who meets her personal standards? P4 p or not, doesn't matter. This is called consensual sex between two adults.[/QUOTE]This gem needs it's own reply. Actually it needs it's own thread. The opposite of links to posts of distinction.

You might not be old enough to remember this, and even if you are, you've shown repeatedly that you're incapable of remembering anything.

In 1992 one of the Kennedy cousins, William Kennedy Smith, was charged with rape. If I remember correctly, he was acquitted. He had gone on a date with a woman, I believe he hot her drunk and then fucked her. Apparently, the girl had no intention of having sex with him, but the alcohol had lowered her resistance.

The case was 1 of the first high profile cases for "date rape. " The defense claimed that her consensual actions showed willingness to fuck. The prosecution held fucking was beyond her level of consent and he had removed her ability to consent.

I bring this up because at the time I found myself in a similar situation.

My best friend had invited a guy who worked for him, and his girlfriend for dinner. He almost certainly intended to get everyone drunk and passed out so he could fuck her. He also invited me, to help get everyone shitfaced.

It didn't quite work out that way. Everyone got drunk and passed out, but she had no interest in him. That part was shocking, because he was a legend at getting girls to fuck. No scruples. He would introduce them to his wife, they'd become friends and every time the wife got drunk, he'd be in the next room fucking.

Once he figured out she wasn't going to fuck him and I wasn't going to pass out he went to bed. The next thing I know she's naked and all over me. She wanted to fuck, right then and there. However, all I can think of is the fact that she was drunk and the William Kennedy Smith case. What was going to happen when she sobered up? Fortunately, I was able to get her panties and a flannel shirt on her before she laid down on the couch, leaving me to sleep on the loveseat. Her boyfriend caused a scene in the morning, but she turned it around on him.

I put her off for 5 days before we started fucking, just to make sure.

There are many levels of consent. Of course, the goal is to overcome the objections and get the consent. However, if a girl is drugged or passed out, even if she wanted to consent, she can't.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2857404]
the difference between not using condoms and not getting vaccinated is that the latter can affect innocent bystanders while the former cannot. It's a pretty important distinction and the two require vastly different public health policies.[/QUOTE]Latest studies show that the transmission rate from the so-called vaccinated is higher than the non-vaxd, so I agree it can be dangerous to follow financially motivated and corrupt public health advice. If one understands the risks of refusing condom-use, its not irresponsoble to not use them. Its just a sign that one doesn't believe ant safety benefit exceeds the loss of pleasure. Thats how it was in the 60's, 70's, 80's, part of the 90's.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2857404]The first hooker I ever fucked in Argentina did that and did it facing away from me. But, I could tell pretty quick, personally But she wasn't that good of a fellatrix. Later others did it better. But the thing about this first one, it had nothing to do with safety, because she would fuck raw dog. She just didn't like the taste.

To be abundantly clear for those with poor reading skills, the difference between not using condoms and not getting vaccinated is that the latter can affect innocent bystanders while the former cannot. It's a pretty important distinction and the two require vastly different public health policies.[/QUOTE]Its the same shit you jack ass! Your body your choice! Now stop trying to have the last word, you're not impressing anyone with your stupidity.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2857502]Latest studies show that the transmission rate from the so-called vaccinated is higher than the non-vaxd, so I agree it can be dangerous to follow financially motivated and corrupt public health advice. If one understands the risks of refusing condom-use, its not irresponsoble to not use them. Its just a sign that one doesn't believe ant safety benefit exceeds the loss of pleasure. Thats how it was in the 60's, 70's, 80's, part of the 90's.[/QUOTE]I totally agree 100% with you in respect to condom use, in fact you hit the nail on the head. The safety or protection that a condom provides does not make up for the loss of pleasure that it causes. It's not that I am being irresponsible by not using a condom, it is that for me it there is no value in using a condom. Now that being said there are other ways to protect against STIs. I like to use azythromycin once a week or once every 2 weeks this helps to keep any bacterial STIs (gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, etc.) from presenting. In the case of viral STDs you have prep medications (Truvada, Biktarvy, Duvato, etc.) although those are much more expensive. However statistically speaking HIV passing from an unprotected heterosexual sex act (even if the female is infected and the male isn't) is extremely rare, it is much more likely you will contract gonorrhea or chlamydia or perhaps herpes than HIV. I believe on Wikipedia there is a chart that shows the actual percentages from actual studies that were done. Let me see if I can find it.

I found it and attached the screen shot. So as you can see HIV you have less than 1% chance of getting that from unprotected hetero sex, and that is if the woman is infected, if she's not then obviously the risk is 0% the most common things according to this chart are gonorrhea chlamydia and HPV. The first two of those are cured by azythromycin and HPV there is a vaccine called gardasil for that. So for me the risk of not using a condom doesn't outweigh the pleasure lost by using one. Capische?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2857443]
Do I need to know every plumber in NYC to figure how much it's going to cost to replace the wax ring on a toilet? Of course the answer is "Elvis is clueless again (or still). "[/QUOTE]I can go onto a website and see the cost of a plumber repair. Where do I go to found out what % of college women are selling themselves? [URL]JJBeeisfullofshit.com[/URL]?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2857443]I didn't meet her on Facebook. I covered all of that 3 years ago, and a few more times since then.

I don't pay for everything either. When we travel together, sure I pay. It's (IMO) part of being a man.[/QUOTE]"Prostitution" is a crime where the individual accepts money or something of value in exchange for the expectation of having sex. You see, there is nothing in there about where you meet or if she pays for some of her stuff. Your definition of "being a man" meets the legal definition of being a john in spite of your desperate pleas to say otherwise.

And why is that? Why are you so desperate to say you are not paying for sex on a hooker forum?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2857462]This gem needs it's own reply. Actually it needs it's own thread. The opposite of links to posts of distinction.

You might not be old enough to remember this, and even if you are, you've shown repeatedly that you're incapable of remembering anything.

In 1992 one of the Kennedy cousins, William Kennedy Smith, was charged with rape. If I remember correctly, he was acquitted. He had gone on a date with a woman, I believe he hot her drunk and then fucked her. Apparently, the girl had no intention of having sex with him, but the alcohol had lowered her resistance.

The case was 1 of the first high profile cases for "date rape. " The defense claimed that her consensual actions showed willingness to fuck. The prosecution held fucking was beyond her level of consent and he had removed her ability to consent.

I bring this up because at the time I found myself in a similar situation.

My best friend had invited a guy who worked for him, and his girlfriend for dinner. He almost certainly intended to get everyone drunk and passed out so he could fuck her. He also invited me, to help get everyone shitfaced.

It didn't quite work out that way. Everyone got drunk and passed out, but she had no interest in him. That part was shocking, because he was a legend at getting girls to fuck. No scruples. He would introduce them to his wife, they'd become friends and every time the wife got drunk, he'd be in the next room fucking.

Once he figured out she wasn't going to fuck him and I wasn't going to pass out he went to bed. The next thing I know she's naked and all over me. She wanted to fuck, right then and there. However, all I can think of is the fact that she was drunk and the William Kennedy Smith case. What was going to happen when she sobered up? Fortunately, I was able to get her panties and a flannel shirt on her before she laid down on the couch, leaving me to sleep on the loveseat. Her boyfriend caused a scene in the morning, but she turned it around on him.

I put her off for 5 days before we started fucking, just to make sure.

There are many levels of consent. Of course, the goal is to overcome the objections and get the consent. However, if a girl is drugged or passed out, even if she wanted to consent, she can't.[/QUOTE]I expected to get another stupid reply from you, but today you exceeded my expectations and posted 3 of them! Wow!

Prostitution IS consensual, do you know why? Because the man or woman must consent to have sex with you. Any hooker is free to decline service at any point. Maybe she finds you dangerous, obnoxious, unclean, etc. She is not a sex slave, and the fact that you pay her or not, doesn't obligate her to have sex with you. She has the right to return you the money and not provide any service. If there is no consent, then the sexual act is considered rape.

Why did you bring up the Kennedy case? The dude was not found guilty. It is obvious that if a woman is intentionally being drugged, she can't give her consent, and therefore, fucking a drugged woman might be considered rape if charges are pressed. Why are we even discussing this? Do mongers travel to a foreign country, where sex is cheap, and drug and rape women? Seriously? Again, you argue just for the sake of arguing, bringing up some weird exceptions. "There are many levels of consent" - wtf are you talking about? If one is of legal age, and is mentally capable of giving consent, it is either yes or no. Simple as that. But you, dumbass, are so dumb to understand this simple concept.

You have a very "unique" skill. You can find a pile of shit literally everywhere, on a fucking pool table, dive right into it and drown. Hilarious! LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2857450]Wow. That's an incredible amount of stupid in just 2 paragraphs.

A stranger is a person a girl doesn't know. You might have skipped some of the embarrassment if you had stopped there. Sadly, when it comes to ridiculous shit, you're a densely populated city with a contaminated water supply. In other words, the shit is endless.

Girls see hundreds of guys every day who are still strangers. They pass them on the street, stand next to them on the Metro, ride in their taxi. It's crazy that you think just because a woman has laid eyes on a man he's no longer a stranger. Or if she's heard of him? Did you really type that, or did the idiocy fairy take over for you?

And just because she's met a guy doesn't mean he's no longer a stranger. Anyone who has ever talked to a woman knows that. Most of my single, female Facebook friends complain about that constantly. They'll meet a guy briefly and next thing the guy's hitting them up.

Actually, especially in more conservative countries, like Colombia, whether a girl fucks on the first date or fifth date is relevant, especially when you're paying her to fuck. Not many guys are going to pat a girl to not fuck for 4 dates, or however many it takes, before paying her to fuck. Unless she's a hoe:

1. She's almost certainly not fucking you on the first date. Chances are, the first date will be chaperoned by friends or relatives.

2. She's not asking guys to pay her for sex. Nor is she open to the possibility of you paying her for sex. If she feels that you are actually a couple, she may be willing to accept help with her bills, but that's well beyond the fifth date (unless she's a hoe).

Nobody forces a girl to fuck a guy she doesn't like? Honestly? It's like you just wrote the stupidest thing ever, said to yourself "nobody could be stupider than that" then said "hold my beer. ".

You've never heard of rape? Once again, if you had ever had a conversation with a woman (and she trusted you, and you weren't paying her for sex) you would almost certainly have heard about attempted rapes, friends who were raped, friends who were drugged by guys trying to rape them, or actual rapes.

No, rape aside, it is not called "consensual sex between adults" if 1 person is paying the other for sex. That's called prostitution. While the prostitutes can be selective on which customers they fuck, it's not "consensual sex. " There's an easy way to test this. Agree to pay a woman for sex. After the sex, refuse to pay her.

Most women (who are not prostitutes) don't sleep with guys because they like or trust them. There is an age bracket between around 35-45 where it's more likely, but outside of that, if they aren't prostitutes, they want something more, some type of connection or relationship, or at least the belief that it's heading in that direction.

Even if they did, a complete stranger asking to meet to determine whether he wants to pay her for sex, is not going to build trust, unless she's a prostitute.

You have stated repeatedly that you are seeking women who are in college or have jobs. You've also stated several times that you have to outbid the other guys to get their attention. So who says those things affect the allowance you're willing to give? Well, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but you do.

SW's? Run through Facebook girls? There you go again. It's as if you're not only a complete idiot, but that you insist on declaring the fact every fucking time. The last time I did a SW was probably 1989. Haven't done a Facebook girl for 3 or 4 years. Why would I? I've got literally thousands of contacts now, but I don't even bother with most of them. The 3 that I do now are my GF, a college girl and a business owner. I did pay the business owner for sex the first time. Covid shutdown had wiped out that business. I've never paid the other 2 for sex, although, I've spent money on all 3.

The GF took persistence and patience, combined with a certain skill I have. The same skill was crucial to landing the college girl, who has a fetish which I'm able to help her with. The business owner likes me and trusts me. Just wrote about her several weeks ago. She's the one who wanted a 3 some with her best friend.

I look forward to your next attempt to prove just how little you know.[/QUOTE]How can you be so stupid? LOL. I said if she never met him in person or never heard of him. Do you consider riding a train full of strangers "meeting them in person?" Do you consider passing strangers on the street "meeting them in person"? Meeting in person, in the dating / mongering context, is going on a date with a purpose to get to know each other, spend some time together, have fun, and maybe have consensual sex after. Or getting introduced to someone by mutual friends or family, for example at a birthday party. Once they are introduced, they are no longer strangers. Once they meet for a date, even if it is just a simple coffee, they are no longer strangers. How long it will take to get laid depends on the chemistry and / or the agreed upon amount of money (sex has to be consensual, dumbass, p4 p or not). There is plenty of girls who would fuck on the first date without pay. There is no rule or law anywhere in the world that says sex has to happen no sooner than X days from initial meetup. You never fucked a girl in the club without even asking her name? Poor you.

And yes, idiot, nobody forces a girl to fuck a guy she doesn't like. You again brought this rape topic up, which has nothing to do with consensual sex between two adults. If it is rape, there is no consent.

"Most women (who are not prostitutes) don't sleep with guys because they like or trust them. There is an age bracket between around 35-45 where it's more likely, but outside of that, if they aren't prostitutes, they want something more, some type of connection or relationship, or at least the belief that it's heading in that direction. " - WTF is this BS? By this logic, your GF is a prostitute. Some type of connection or relationship between you and her is your fantasy. Most likely, she is either after a green card, or paid trips to the US, or some other benefit that she gets or will get, by sucking your old dick.

Speaking of Seeking college girls, or Tinder girls, or any other girls online. It is a numbers game, you are competing with other dudes, and the allowance that I'm willing to give doesn't depend on college degree or some normal job she has. I'm willing to give only what I'm comfortable giving. If other dudes are willing to give more, the chances of scoring are not in my favor, unless I bring something else to the table, which is not easy to do online.

Does your GF know about the other 2 you are screwing? LOL. A business owner (apparently, not so successful businesswoman that had zero savings to go through the tough times and turned into a hooker once her business got shut down?) Special skill? Do you eat a pussy so well that nobody can resist?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2857586]Prostitution IS consensual, do you know why? Because the man or woman must consent to have sex with you. Any hooker is free to decline service at any point.[/QUOTE]Really? It is always consenual?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2857586]She is not a sex slave, and the fact that you pay her or not, doesn't obligate her to have sex with you.[/QUOTE]How do you know? So no people are forced into prostitution or held as sex slaves?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2857586]She has the right to return you the money and not provide any service. If there is no consent, then the sexual act is considered rape.[/QUOTE]What is it considered if she does not return the money and does not provide any service?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2857586]Why did you bring up the Kennedy case? The dude was not found guilty. It is obvious that if a woman is intentionally being drugged, she can't give her consent,[/QUOTE]I think his reasoning was in your quote that he posted.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2857137]Do you also realize that nobody forces a girl to fuck someone she doesn't like?[/QUOTE].

So is it that nobody can force a girl to fuck someone she does not like or is it obvious that sometimes women do not give consent but are fucked anyway?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2857445]It's bizarre how many guys on ISG fantasize about me masturbating. Even throwing in specific details like "in a truck stop bathroom. "[/QUOTE]Some of those truck stop bathrooms are pretty nice though. There's even some Pilots and Flying J's out in Wyoming that have private showers inside the bathrooms. I saw one in Iowa one time that even had a buffet restaurant called iron skillet inside of the the truck stop! Sounds as good a place as any to masturbate, then get a nice ribeye steak afterwards.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2857450]
SW's? Run through Facebook girls? There you go again. It's as if you're not only a complete idiot, but that you insist on declaring the fact every fucking time. The last time I did a SW was probably 1989. Haven't done a Facebook girl for 3 or 4 years. Why would I? I've got literally thousands of contacts now, but I don't even bother with most of them. The 3 that I do now are my GF, a college girl and a business owner. I did pay the business owner for sex the first time. Covid shutdown had wiped out that business. I've never paid the other 2 for sex, although, I've spent money on all 3.

The GF took persistence and patience, combined with a certain skill I have. The same skill was crucial to landing the college girl, who has a fetish which I'm able to help her with. The business owner likes me and trusts me. Just wrote about her several weeks ago. She's the one who wanted a 3 some with her best friend.
[/QUOTE]LOL. Apparently, we need to do a different cute-rich matrix for you where the whole graph is filled in because all the women want you. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInk1rV2VEg[/URL].

I have spent money on them but have not paid them for sex? Say what?

Truth is if if these women really cared about you they would not want you seeing other women. When a woman says she does not care if you are fucking other women, it means she does not care about you.

And if you are fucking multiple women, it just means that you have not found one good or trust worthy enough to commit to.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2857592]Does your GF know about the other 2 you are screwing? LOL. A business owner (apparently, not so successful businesswoman that had zero savings to go through the tough times and turned into a hooker once her business got shut down?) Special skill? Do you eat a pussy so well that nobody can resist?[/QUOTE]MB, if you look at the female version of the hot-crazy matrix, the cute-money matrix, what the guy is saying, and I agree with, is that women do not take men seriously, I. E. Are husband material, if they do not have money. If you are attractive and poor, the women will play with you (AKA the fun zone), but they won't take you seriously.

As far as what a hooker is versus a "regular" woman is not that she fucks for money. That is all women. The difference between a GF / wife and a hooker is there is a relationship beyond sex for money, and the GF / wife only has one man she is servicing. For me, a sugar baby is in the middle. There is a relationship beyond sex for money but sex for money is still there, and a sugar baby will not just fuck any guy for money. She only fucks guys she is comfortable with and trusts.

So JJBee has sugar babies and once again perverts the term to GF to please his ego and brag. This is like his "marriage" where he and his "wife" were both fucking everything that moved. He does not have a girl friend, and he did not have a wife. In both cases, he had sugar babies even if he had a marriage certificate.

My gal's daughter loves Korean shows, and in one sense, they are more wholesome but practical and honest in another. There was this old lady who said to a young man, "Oh, you have money now. You should get married. " I so prefer that to the bullshit Hollywood puts out. You want to get laid and have fun? Work on your looks. You want to get laid and have a serious relationship? Work on making money. That is why JJBee is such a POS liar. He thinks he is not paying for sex. Hollywood has told him that it is virtuous to not pay for sex.

What a girlie man like JJBee does not get is this a way for men to let go of their money and power. If you believe that bullshit about she likes me and not my money, you are giving away your power. It is totally cool if women take your money and do not put out. It is their right to consent or not. Well, if he likes her for her, and she quits putting out, JJBee the Girlie man should stick with his women right?

I have been watching the men's rights groups, and it is refreshing that there are being so honest. They used to all be female hating but now they are realistic. They are saying if your wife is not putting out, dump her, and I am so glad they are saying that. When you do not equate sex with money, it plays right into the hands of women.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2857608]Really? It is always consenual?

How do you know? So no people are forced into prostitution or held as sex slaves?

What is it considered if she does not return the money and does not provide any service?

I think his reasoning was in your quote that he posted.

.

So is it that nobody can force a girl to fuck someone she does not like or is it obvious that sometimes women do not give consent but are fucked anyway?[/QUOTE]Enlighten me, where in Medellin can I find and fuck sex slaves? La Isla? Lleras? New Life casa? Seeking or Facebook? Or where? Prostitution is legal in Colombia, slavery / human trafficking is not. It's not that it doesn't exist, but I bet 99.9% of us have never had sex with women held as sex slaves and never will. So cut this crap about rape and sex slaves.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2857537]Its the same shit you jack ass! Your body your choice! Now stop trying to have the last word, you're not impressing anyone with your stupidity.[/QUOTE]Although I'm not advocating anything regarding vaccines or condoms, its not the same thing. If you look around in Medellin you'll see an excellent example that illustrates the difference.

Look for the beggars with twisted, deformed or shriveled limbs. They contracted polio as children. The last case of polio in Colombia was in 1991 (although there have been 2 cases from vaccines since then, both were immuno-compromised). The reason why polio was eradicated in Colombia (and almost entirely eradicated worldwide) was because of mandatory vaccinations.

Had the world decided to treat it as "your body, your choice", thousands of children would still be crippled by the disease every year, and many would die.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2857586]I expected to get another stupid reply from you, but today you exceeded my expectations and posted 3 of them! Wow!

Prostitution IS consensual, do you know why? Because the man or woman must consent to have sex with you. Any hooker is free to decline service at any point. Maybe she finds you dangerous, obnoxious, unclean, etc. She is not a sex slave, and the fact that you pay her or not, doesn't obligate her to have sex with you. She has the right to return you the money and not provide any service. If there is no consent, then the sexual act is considered rape.

Why did you bring up the Kennedy case? The dude was not found guilty. It is obvious that if a woman is intentionally being drugged, she can't give her consent, and therefore, fucking a drugged woman might be considered rape if charges are pressed. Why are we even discussing this? Do mongers travel to a foreign country, where sex is cheap, and drug and rape women? Seriously? Again, you argue just for the sake of arguing, bringing up some weird exceptions. "There are many levels of consent" - wtf are you talking about? If one is of legal age, and is mentally capable of giving consent, it is either yes or no. Simple as that. But you, dumbass, are so dumb to understand this simple concept.

You have a very "unique" skill. You can find a pile of shit literally everywhere, on a fucking pool table, dive right into it and drown. Hilarious! LOL.[/QUOTE]It never ends. The complete lack of cognitive function you exhibit amazes me. The most amazing thing about it is, some employer is stupid enough to pay someone who can't follow a thought for more than 2 sentences.

You said:

[QUOTE]Do you also realize that nobody forces a girl to fuck someone she doesn't like?[/QUOTE]Nearly everything you are questioning follows from that obviously idiotic question (although it's technically a statement converted to a question).

However, let's deal with consensual sex versus prostitution first.

Many prostitutes are in fact sex slaves. They are forced into prostitution in many different ways. Quite often they have no choice in who they fuck. Others, although not forced into prostitution by another person, have no other option to survive. Their consent is forced by their financial situation and lack of options.

That leaves a relatively small group of prostitutes, who are not forced into prostitution, who choose prostitution as a career. They can freely choose their customers. Still it's not consensual sex. It's a business transaction. Laws around the world confirm that. Depending on the country it's either an illegal business transaction, a legal business transaction, or an unenforced, illegal business transaction.

[QUOTE]She is not a sex slave, and the fact that you pay her or not, doesn't obligate her to have sex with you.[/QUOTE]If you're in a country where prostitution is illegal, that's correct, because you can't compel someone to commit an illegal act through payment. However, if prostitution is legal, then payment for a service obligates the payee to perform the service. And just to be clear, if she returns the money:

1. You didn't pay her. There's no obligation to perform a paid service if no payment is received, or received payment is returned.

2. You're an idiot who still hasn't learned, payment for independent contractors is after completion of services.

Next up:

"Why are we discussing this?

Because some fucking idiot said:

[QUOTE]Do you also realize that nobody forces a girl to fuck someone she doesn't like?[/QUOTE]Did you forget already?

Yes. Some mongers do travel to foreign countries, where sex is cheap, to drug and rape women. Others fuck prostitutes and refuse to pay. Still others beat up prostitutes. Arrests happen and these things have been discussed here.

To be absolutely clear, fucking a drugged woman is rape. It's not "might be considered rape if charges are pressed. " If charges are brought, the person might be charged with and convicted for rape, but it would definitely be considered rape.

Consent is not as simple as a yes or no, although, with your simple mind it's obvious you can't grasp that. In most cases consent is implied, not expressed. The girl removing all her clothes and telling me repeatedly that she wanted to fuck me, seems like a simple "yes. " However, she was obviously drunk. Her ability to consent was compromised. Had I considered it a simple "yes", and her boyfriend had woken up and caught us, she could have cried "rape" and claimed I had taken advantage of her inebriated state (which is also why the Kennedy case was brought up).

Your closing paragraph is a gem. You realize that you just declared your post was "a pile of shit?" Finally, common ground.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2857675]Enlighten me, where in Medellin can I find and fuck sex slaves? La Isla? Lleras? New Life casa? Seeking or Facebook? Or where? Prostitution is legal in Colombia, slavery / human trafficking is not. It's not that it doesn't exist, but I bet 99.9% of us have never had sex with women held as sex slaves and never will. So cut this crap about rape and sex slaves.[/QUOTE]You're the one who brought it up. Again:

[QUOTE]Do you also realize that nobody forces a girl to fuck someone she doesn't like?[/QUOTE]Guys often force a girl to fuck someone she doesn't like and that's either called rape, or sexual slavery.

Probably, 10-25% of us have had sex with women held as sex slaves, even in Medellin. I suspect I have, although it was in the US.

I know for a fact that I have had sex with a woman who was formerly held as a sex slave. At least as early as 6, her mother was letting guys molest her for cash. At age 12 she sold her to a couple who owned a brothel in Atlanta. At 16, when she was getting too old for their clientele, they sold her to a guy who then married her. His fetish wasn't kids, he just wanted a woman he could beat whenever the mood struck him. He put her in the hospital a few times. She got away from him briefly, which is when we met. Eventually he tracked her down. It didn't end well for her.

This would be easier if you understood how paragraphs work.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2857592]How can you be so stupid? LOL. I said if she never met him in person [B]or never heard of him.[/B] Do you consider riding a train full of strangers "meeting them in person?" Do you consider passing strangers on the street "meeting them in person"?[/QUOTE]"Or never heard of him. " That's the part which makes passing someone on the street relevant. How can just hearing about someone change their status from "stranger" to "someone you've met?

[QUOTE]Meeting in person, in the dating / mongering context, is going on a date with a purpose to get to know each other, spend some time together, have fun, and maybe have consensual sex after. Or getting introduced to someone by mutual friends or family, for example at a birthday party. Once they are introduced, they are no longer strangers. Once they meet for a date, even if it is just a simple coffee, they are no longer strangers. How long it will take to get laid depends on the chemistry and / or the agreed upon amount of money (sex has to be consensual, dumbass, p4 p or not). There is plenty of girls who would fuck on the first date without pay. There is no rule or law anywhere in the world that says sex has to happen no sooner than X days from initial meetup. You never fucked a girl in the club without even asking her name? Poor you.[/QUOTE]Which is it? Is meeting in person "going on a date", or "getting introduced by someone?" Those are vastly different things. People meeting for a date are quite often strangers. However, if they are going on a date, they are at least attempting to no longer be strangers. But Frank from Marketing saying "this is Vijay from Singapore" doesn't mean you now know Vijay, or have any intention to get to know him.

There [B]are[/B] plenty of girls who will fuck on the first date without pay. Generally speaking, that only applies if both parties are nearly the same age. However, I've found that women 35-45 often will have sex with guys from much younger to much older.

[QUOTE]And yes, idiot, nobody forces a girl to fuck a guy she doesn't like. You again brought this rape topic up, which has nothing to do with consensual sex between two adults. If it is rape, there is no consent.[/QUOTE]You literally just disagreed with yourself and I'm the idiot? If it's rape, someone forced a girl to fuck a guy she doesn't like. How can you say nobody does it and then immediately follow by saying that people do it?

[QUOTE]"Most women (who are not prostitutes) don't sleep with guys because they like or trust them. There is an age bracket between around 35-45 where it's more likely, but outside of that, if they aren't prostitutes, they want something more, some type of connection or relationship, or at least the belief that it's heading in that direction. " - WTF is this BS? By this logic, your GF is a prostitute. Some type of connection or relationship between you and her is your fantasy. Most likely, she is either after a green card, or paid trips to the US, or some other benefit that she gets or will get, by sucking your old dick.[/QUOTE]You should avoid using words you don't understand, which would limit your functional vocabulary to about 12 words. Logic isn't one of them.

How do you figure that? In one post you're questioning how I can know anything about college girls, in the next you're claiming to know everything about the connection between 2 people, neither of which you've ever met.

Your lack of knowledge doesn't define reality. If she is after some benefit from being with me, like a green card, then by definition, and the requirements to get a green card through being with me, she sees it as a relationship.

[QUOTE]Speaking of Seeking college girls, or Tinder girls, or any other girls online. It is a numbers game, you are competing with other dudes, and the allowance that I'm willing to give doesn't depend on college degree or some normal job she has. I'm willing to give only what I'm comfortable giving. If other dudes are willing to give more, the chances of scoring are not in my favor, unless I bring something else to the table, which is not easy to do online.[/QUOTE]No. I'm not competing with other dudes. Although I loathe the term, competing with other dudes online by offering a girl more money is complete simp behavior. It's begging a woman to please notice you.

While I agree, it's unlikely you could ever bring anything else to the table, unless you land a job at Denny's, it's not at all difficult to do online. In fact, it's much easier to do online, even with prostitutes.

[QUOTE]Does your GF know about the other 2 you are screwing? LOL. A business owner (apparently, not so successful businesswoman that had zero savings to go through the tough times and turned into a hooker once her business got shut down?) Special skill? Do you eat a pussy so well that nobody can resist?[/QUOTE]Does my GF know about the other 2? No. Should she?

How many sole propieters do you know who can financially afford zero income for 6 months, followed by 6 months of minimal income? Even the most successful corporations couldn't survive that intact. It's fascinating that you believe any company could just shrug that off.

How could "eating pussy so well nobody can resist" be a special skill used to talk a girl into meeting? Once again we're entering terra incognita for you. Guys who are able to have conversations with women learn they are often disappointed in guys attempts at cunnilingus. Telling a strange woman you're great at eating pussy is unlikely to advance the conversation.

However, being able to hold a conversation, generate interest and anticipate responses is a useful skill.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2857648]Truth is if if these women really cared about you they would not want you seeing other women. When a woman says she does not care if you are fucking other women, it means she does not care about you.[/QUOTE]Or maybe if a woman really cared about you then she would not care what you did, as long as you came back to her.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2857648]And if you are fucking multiple women, it just means that you have not found one good or trust worthy enough to commit to.[/QUOTE]Why do you keep insisting that since one loves eating steak, they should not want to eat pizza ever again? Or because they have a favorite band, they should never want to listen to other bands?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2857694]The girl removing all her clothes and telling me repeatedly that she wanted to fuck me, seems like a simple "yes. " However, she was obviously drunk. Her ability to consent was compromised. [/QUOTE]I am glad you brought that up. So if the girl was drunk and could not give consent, what if you were drunk too? Shouldn't that also relieve you of your ability to give consent? Seems you two are on even ground. So if two drunk people decide to do something and one later regrets it, how is it that in general it is the man that bears the burden of receiving the consent? Why are men seen as the ones that are supposed to be the responsible party while women are seen as the helpless party?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2857709]Which is it? Is meeting in person "going on a date", or "getting introduced by someone?" Those are vastly different things.[/QUOTE]I think it is like the non-pro, semi-pro, pro thing. I say if someone is taking money for fucking they are a pro, while if they are not taking money for fucking then they are not a prostitute. Other guys say that someone that only fucks for money every third day is not a prostitute, but a semi-prostitute.

Maybe the same thing holds for strangers. There could be considered non-strangers, semi-strangers, and total strangers.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2857686]Although I'm not advocating anything regarding vaccines or condoms, its not the same thing. If you look around in Medellin you'll see an excellent example that illustrates the difference.

Look for the beggars with twisted, deformed or shriveled limbs. They contracted polio as children. The last case of polio in Colombia was in 1991 (although there have been 2 cases from vaccines since then, both were immuno-compromised). The reason why polio was eradicated in Colombia (and almost entirely eradicated worldwide) was because of mandatory vaccinations.

Had the world decided to treat it as "your body, your choice", thousands of children would still be crippled by the disease every year, and many would die.[/QUOTE]Fair enough, fair enough, unlike Señor Huacho, your response actually provides real world examples and a certain level of intelligence. Perhaps vaccine mandates were not the best analogy to condom usage, but in regards to condoms I still say it's your body your choice, of course this applies to both parties making the decision not to use the condoms, you always must have consent from both sides, or else it would be rape like how you had to explain to Miamiboy1.

Its funny you brought up polio and beggers with deformed limbs because on La Playa (calle 52) between the coltejer tower and parque Berrío metro station there's always this begger dude sitting on the sidewalk with a fucked up swollen leg that looks like he probably has trouble walking. He always asks me for una ayuda or una moneda, now I almost feel bad that I always tell him to fuck off (not in those exact words). Maybe next time I'm on my way to the chicken place I may very well give him some of my loose change.

Gabacho.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2857771]Or maybe if a woman really cared about you then she would not care what you did, as long as you came back to her.[/QUOTE]Why would a woman put up with your shit behavior? There is something wrong with her if she does.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2857771]Why do you keep insisting that since one loves eating steak, they should not want to eat pizza ever again? Or because they have a favorite band, they should never want to listen to other bands?[/QUOTE]I am not insisting anyone do anything except use the right words. You and JjBee keep calling your women GFs to boost your status and ego when you are out fucking hookers left and right. You are lying to everyone here, the women, and yourselves. Quit using the term GF. There are dozens of other terms to use. You two do not have GFs.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2857802]Its funny you brought up polio and beggers with deformed limbs because on La Playa (calle 52) between the coltejer tower and parque Berro metro station there's always this begger dude sitting on the sidewalk with a fucked up swollen leg that looks like he probably has trouble walking. He always asks me for una ayuda or una moneda, now I almost feel bad that I always tell him to fuck off

Gabacho.[/QUOTE]This speaks volumes about your character. No cap, just an observation.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2857404]To be abundantly clear for those with poor reading skills, the difference between not using condoms and not getting vaccinated is that the latter can affect innocent bystanders while the former cannot. It's a pretty important distinction and the two require vastly different public health policies.[/QUOTE]Did you work in public health like your fellow Democratic douche John Clayton claims to have?

This is the headline from Zero Hedge today: Biden Admin Goes Full Orwell Denying Vaxx Mandates Ever Happened.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/will-make-your-blood-boil-biden-admin-goes-full-orwell-denying-vaxx-mandates-ever[/URL]

Biden's head of OSHA, Douglas Parker, is also now lying through his teeth about the OSHA mandate that REQUIRED (not suggested) that all employers in the entire nation with 100 or more employees force their employees to get the C19 shot, otherwise they had to wear a mask and test constantly for C19. (That OSHA mandate was struck down by SCOTUS last year because it was unconstitutional, by the way). Then there's the head of HHS, Xavier Becerra, saying there was never a mask mandate. What?! Another blatant lie.

You never answered this directly so let me ask it. Do you have any regrets with how you responded to the Covid hysteria? If you don't, you are a fool. If you do, then why in the hell are you listening to public health officials now?

Gabacho is right with what he said. It is not just complete. Azithromycin does work well against the four STIs he mentioned with a proven track record. The same goes with other antibiotics and antivirals for STIs, and he mentioned Gardasil, a vaccine, for HPV, and there is a vaccine for Hepatitis be, a STI as well. Hepatitis be vaccines are mandated, so I don't know WTF you are talking about with regards to this big difference between condoms and vaccines. They are both sold as protection against STIs.

The Democratic douche John Clayton is against antibiotic and antiviral use because they are in his words "a precious resource". The belief is that if you overuse antibiotics and antivirals there will be resistance and they will no longer work. That may sound reasonable to you, but what we leaned with Covid is when the government is giving it to you up the posterior, you say, "Thank you sir, may I have another?

JC and the public health officials make no sense when antibiotics and antivirals are available all over the world over the counter. Hell, we even have farmers overusing them on cattle. So public health officials restricting antibiotics for STI prevention is like banning camp fires to prevent greenhouse gas production while ignoring the hundred new coal plants China is building. Resistant bacteria and greenhouse gases do jump over country borders.

Part of the reason that ivermectin and hydroxycholoroquine were so demonized is that if there was an effective Covid treatment, the experimental vaccines legally could not be approved, and some public officials made out like bandits when the vaccine was approved and that fucker Fauci refused to release the name of said officials who did profit.

So I have no clue why public health officials are recommending condoms for STI prevention when they know other methods work better. Maybe they believe their own bullshit or maybe they are profiting from their lying somehow.

But yeah, Gabacho knows 100 X more about this than you do. What is worse is when you see these public health officials lie their asses off to Congress like they are doing with Covid, their target audience is someone like you.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2857686]The reason why polio was eradicated in Colombia (and almost entirely eradicated worldwide) was because of mandatory vaccinations.[/QUOTE]Yes for a vaccine 20 years in the making and 2 years in the testing, not 2 months in the making and 8 hours in the testing. The Pfizer big wig admitted they did not even test that shit for stuff governments claimed it would do before putting it out.

I know you guys don't like each other and if you tried for 100 years you would never convince each other on who has the right idea about mongering. Mean while the rest of us would like to see a trip report or two.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2857802]in regards to condoms I still say it's your body your choice[/QUOTE]I think that too, with condoms and heroin and tattoos and many other things. Just. Not. Vaccines.

So I guess I need to give a half assed trip report. I stayed in three different hotels all in Centro. For once I was not robbed or bothered by crooks. I feel that my trips at night to Centro were helped by my carrying my baton. I did not have once to open it up for defense but I really feel that just having it with me gave of the vibe that there were other targets better to go after than me. The one or two times I forgot to take it with me made me feel less secure so I think I gave off a different vibe then when I had it in on my person. I have been to MDE more times than I can count so I have decided I am done with MDE. Let the make it rain guys and the fools that beg to pay 400 K for short time have their way. I am starting to think about I think it was called not seeing the same girl more than a few times the way to go. All I get now that I am home is requests for money via Western Union from girls who I came to like. If I travel again in the near future it will be to visit my friend Doom in GYE. No worry about security with him as even the real Gangters show him respect.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2857813]You and JjBee keep calling your women GFs to boost your status and ego when you are out fucking hookers left and right. You are lying to everyone here, the women, and yourselves. Quit using the term GF. There are dozens of other terms to use. You two do not have GFs.[/QUOTE]What status and ego? I have had girlfriends since I was a teenager. It is just like breathing. You must be one of those late bloomers and to you getting a girlfriend is really something spectacular for you to think that having one boosts one's status or ego.

You still never answered what Mr. Faithful to one woman is doing posting on a hooker board everyday. The attention that you constantly give to us could be better used on your one and only. But I am sure that you have already told her about this website and that you post on it everyday, being that she is a REAL girlfriend and all. I know she gave it her stamp of approval, since you are running around worrying about what everybody else's girlfriend knows.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2857870]I know you guys don't like each other and if you tried for 100 years you would never convince each other on who has the right idea about mongering. Mean while the rest of us would like to see a trip report or two.[/QUOTE]Probably better to check in the Medellin Reports thread.

This thread is obviously for battling it out, and Stupid shit like that, LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2857790]I am glad you brought that up. So if the girl was drunk and could not give consent, what if you were drunk too? Shouldn't that also relieve you of your ability to give consent? Seems you two are on even ground. So if two drunk people decide to do something and one later regrets it, how is it that in general it is the man that bears the burden of receiving the consent? Why are men seen as the ones that are supposed to be the responsible party while women are seen as the helpless party?[/QUOTE]That's a good question. In that particular situation there were extenuating circumstances which were part of my decision.

1. I was still married, although not happily married.

2. My best friend, his wife and kid were sleeping just down the hall. Her boyfriend was sleeping in the RV in the backyard. Someone waking up and walking in was a concern.

While I was drunk, I was sober enough to consider the consequences and potential problems. To me that meant I couldn't use the "I was drunk" escape.

Unless someone catches you in the act, like that swimmer raping a passed out girl by the dumpster, convictions are rare. Most of the natural consequences land on the girl. She's the only one with a chance of getting pregnant (which could trigger the "I was drunk and he raped me" report, if the guy bails.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2857625]Some of those truck stop bathrooms are pretty nice though. There's even some Pilots and Flying J's out in Wyoming that have private showers inside the bathrooms. I saw one in Iowa one time that even had a buffet restaurant called iron skillet inside of the the truck stop! Sounds as good a place as any to masturbate, then get a nice ribeye steak afterwards.[/QUOTE]You missed the really good ones, although most of them have gone downhill.

The Shell truckstop, in Holbrook, AZ had some deluxe shower rooms with Jacuzzis. They also had a good Mexican restaurant. The old Giant in Gallup, NM had a parking lot shuttle, full arcade, mini-mall and 4 or 5 restaurants. Little America truckstops in Little America, WY and Flagstaff, AZ had showers that resembled Las Vegas Hotel bathrooms, plus excellent steakhouses and hotels.

Sturbridge, MA, Morris, IL and Tucumcari, NM all had great restaurants. A few other places had in-house bakeries.

Those days are mostly passed. Everything is generic now. Still clean showers available, but it's fast food or Denny's instead of real food.

I almost forgot Pantyhose Junction, at least that's what everyone called the place. It was in Dunnigan, CA.

[URL]https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1991-02-27-1991058227-story.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2857696]You're the one who brought it up. Again:

Guys often force a girl to fuck someone she doesn't like and that's either called rape, or sexual slavery.

Probably, 10-25% of us have had sex with women held as sex slaves, even in Medellin. I suspect I have, although it was in the US.

I know for a fact that I have had sex with a woman who was formerly held as a sex slave. At least as early as 6, her mother was letting guys molest her for cash. At age 12 she sold her to a couple who owned a brothel in Atlanta. At 16, when she was getting too old for their clientele, they sold her to a guy who then married her. His fetish wasn't kids, he just wanted a woman he could beat whenever the mood struck him. He put her in the hospital a few times. She got away from him briefly, which is when we met. Eventually he tracked her down. It didn't end well for her.[/QUOTE]Human beings are awful. Was he ever arrested.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2857917]What status and ego? I have had girlfriends since I was a teenager. It is just like breathing.[/QUOTE]Mr E, surely you understand by now that in the World According to Elvis, a GF is an IAB female and non trans man with whom you have a long term monogamous relationship with. Open relationships and other options do not exist.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2857648]
As far as what a hooker is versus a "regular" woman is not that she fucks for money. That is all women. The difference between a GF / wife and a hooker is there is a relationship beyond sex for money, and the GF / wife only has one man she is servicing. For me, a sugar baby is in the middle. There is a relationship beyond sex for money but sex for money is still there, and a sugar baby will not just fuck any guy for money. She only fucks guys she is comfortable with and trusts.
.[/QUOTE]In the World According to Elvis, what type of girl is this. I pick her up in an online platform, take her out fotr he evening, for dinner and pretend she is my GF, then take her home and FK her for money. Transactional?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2858014]Mr E, surely you understand by now that in the World According to Elvis, a GF is an IAB female and non trans man with whom you have a long term monogamous relationship with. Open relationships and other options do not exist.[/QUOTE]It is not according to me. If you are helping out a woman you care about and are seeing other women, she is a sugar baby. If the woman is not getting a financial reward, you can call her a fuck buddy or a friend with benefits. All these terms though have negative connotations, and you all know that.

GF and wife have positive societal connotations, and you all know that and that is why you want to use them. If you have a woman who you call GF and she says that she does not mind you fucking other women, that just means the two of you have gotten together and tried to redefine its meaning. Show me one mainstream source that says it is okay to have a GF and fuck hookers on the side.

OTOH, there is no societal expectation of monogamy with a FWB, fuck buddy, john, or sugar baby.

Mr. E's definitions do not allow for sugar babies. There are hookers and not hookers, and a sugar baby is not any different from a hooker. Hookers take money for sex and non hookers do not. JJBee has derided sugar daddies as suckers who pay Colombian women who do not have sex so he wants to use the term GF instead of sugar baby when that is exactly what his "girlfriend" is.

And Mr. E are you paying your "girlfriend" with time? And is part of the time you spend with her in hopes of being charming enough so that she will have sex with you? And doesn't time equal money? So stop with the bullshit about I am not paying a "grown ass woman". You are paying. You are paying with time, and for a lot of us but maybe not you, time equals money.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2857648]LOL. Apparently, we need to do a different cute-rich matrix for you where the whole graph is filled in because all the women want you. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInk1rV2VEg[/URL].[/QUOTE]All the women don't want me. I've never made that claim. I spent almost a full year cultivating contacts, meeting women, getting referrals, and generally making a good impression. I spent another 2 years weeding out the bad and selectively adding the good. After that I spent at least 6 months seeking out women who were completely off the gringo radar, most of them were not in any way involved with P4 P.

[QUOTE]I have spent money on them but have not paid them for sex? Say what?[/QUOTE]I've spent money on many women without paying them for sex. Christmas presents for family members, buying drinks for friends, giving change to homeless women, helping girls fix various household or automotive problems. The list goes on. Does your mom suck your dick when you buy her a Mother's Day card? I guess my family is different. We just say "thanks."

I've bought meals and given small gifts to girls I've dated. Sometimes the dates led to sex, sometimes not. Are you saying, if I take a girl to a cheap diner, buy her lunch and then a few weeks later we bump into each other at a bar, have a few drinks, each buying their own, then decide to fuck, I paid her for sex?

[QUOTE]Truth is if if these women really cared about you they would not want you seeing other women. When a woman says she does not care if you are fucking other women, it means she does not care about you.[/QUOTE]Truth is you know nothing about women. Although replacing "women" with any subject doesn't change the accuracy of the statement.

I think I see. I'm supposed to ask for permission to fuck? Is that right? I don't do that. However, I can understand it from a guy who thinks he has to earn the right to fuck a girl. What I do outside of any relationship, I do because I want to, and I don't ask permission. The same if my wife cooks only lactose free meals, and I decide to stop somewhere for a milkshake. I don't beg her to let me have a milkshake, I don't tell her I had a milkshake. If it would bother her, I'll brush my teeth before going home.

[QUOTE]And if you are fucking multiple women, it just means that you have not found one good or trust worthy enough to commit to.[/QUOTE]There are other options. If you weren't such a clueless whiner, you could have come up with something much better. Maybe I'm the one not worthy. That was the case at least once in the past. I wasn't prepared to commit, but committed anyway and it fell apart.

However, in this situation, I'm not seeking a monogamous relationship. Biologically humans aren't evolved for monogamy. All the current couples I know, who have been married for 30+ years have engaged in some form of extramarital sex. Someone who has repeatedly talked about having a harem shouldn't be stupid enough to point the finger here. But, if there's 1 thing you excel in, it's being stupid enough for any situation.

[QUOTE]MB, if you look at the female version of the hot-crazy matrix, the cute-money matrix, what the guy is saying, and I agree with, is that women do not take men seriously, I. E. Are husband material, if they do not have money. If you are attractive and poor, the women will play with you (AKA the fun zone), but they won't take you seriously.

As far as what a hooker is versus a "regular" woman is not that she fucks for money. That is all women. The difference between a GF / wife and a hooker is there is a relationship beyond sex for money, and the GF / wife only has one man she is servicing. For me, a sugar baby is in the middle. There is a relationship beyond sex for money but sex for money is still there, and a sugar baby will not just fuck any guy for money. She only fucks guys she is comfortable with and trusts.[/QUOTE]The gibberish of Elvis is truly something to behold.

So all women are hookers, right? That's what you're saying.

1. All women fuck for money. "As far as what a hooker is versus a "regular" woman is not that she fucks for money. That is all women.

2. Sugar Babies fuck for money, but have a relationship with the sugar daddy.

3. Hookers fuck for money, but don't have a relationship.

4. The difference between a hooker and a regular GF or wife is that the hooker doesn't have a relationship.

Ergo, all women are hookers. Some hookers have relationships. It baffles me how you can write it down, read through it and have no clue what you just said.

Girlfriends and wives quite often fuck other men. I can attest to that because I've fucked a lot of wives and girlfriends. There are even wives and girlfriends who work as hookers. I've fucked some of them too.

[QUOTE]So JJBee has sugar babies and once again perverts the term to GF to please his ego and brag. This is like his "marriage" where he and his "wife" were both fucking everything that moved. He does not have a girl friend, and he did not have a wife. In both cases, he had sugar babies even if he had a marriage certificate.[/QUOTE]Oh Elvis! Just like Mami'sBoy, your inability to understand objectivity prevents you from ever being right. Well, that, your inability to remember basic details, your insistence on twisting reality to coincide with your warped beliefs and your sub 90 IQ also contribute.

This all began because your fuck buddy DramaQueen stated that all of the college girls he talked to on seeking didn't have computers, and when he asked if they needed computers, all of them said "no. " Either almost all were not college girls, or it's just another DramaQueen fantasy.

I pointed out the ridiculousness of every college girl refusing a free computer and Mami'sBoy boy decided to change the subject to "how he fucks college girls" and I only fuck trash. He's been unwilling to address the DQ inconsistency of college girls refusing free computers. Instead, he chose to make the discussion about my GF.

No bragging on my part (another Elvis deja vu moment. Everything I explain to you, feels like I've had to explain a dozen times before). How is "I have a girlfriend" bragging? They're easy to get. I've had dozens. If I mention that I have a car, is that also bragging?

You really should have been a baseball player, although obviously not a pinch runner, because you're batting 1. 000 on getting things wrong.

I've had 3 wives. The first had a boyfriend (unknown to me) the whole time. I only fucked her during the marriage. The second wife I cheated on a few times, before the cancer which killed her returned. She never cheated on me. The third wife, might have cheated on me. Once we separated, I was fucking lots of women before the divorce went through.

I did have a casual girlfriend for a few years and we frequently went to a swingers club, although we had limited interactions with others. When I was in town, maybe every 6 weeks, for 2 or 3 days, I was her boyfriend. The rest of the time we did our own thing.

Several years later I had a girlfriend and we were swingers. We went to swingers clubs, house parties and hotel parties together. We even hosted a few couples at our place. We were same-room swingers. Usually we would go with 1 other couple, sometimes 2 or 3 couples. The girls would typically have some fun together before the guys joined in. We would swap partners, or just stay with our partner. Each time we made the decision together. At the end of the night, we'd go back home.

Swinging successfully requires trust and a suppression of ego. You can't be insecure. It's not something you could ever handle. I'm not really sure how she could be considered a sugar baby. We always split all household expenses, although I usually paid for date nights.

[QUOTE]My gal's daughter loves Korean shows, and in one sense, they are more wholesome but practical and honest in another. There was this old lady who said to a young man, "Oh, you have money now. You should get married. " I so prefer that to the bullshit Hollywood puts out. You want to get laid and have fun? Work on your looks. You want to get laid and have a serious relationship? Work on making money. That is why JJBee is such a POS liar. He thinks he is not paying for sex. Hollywood has told him that it is virtuous to not pay for sex.[/QUOTE]Still batting, or babbling 1. 000.

Hollywood hasn't told me anything. I've rarely watched TV for 30 years. An occasional movie, some sports. When I wanted to get laid and have fun, I didn't work on my looks. I just talked to women. Some wanted relationships, some wanted to get laid and have fun. It's quite simple. About 90% of the women in the world want to have sex with men. Instead of going on sites where women are looking for johns or sugar daddies, I've always just talked to women. Turns out, if you can make them laugh and your breath doesn't stink, most women are happy to talk.

When I don't want to deal with that, I choose a prostitute and pay her.

I'm thinking of 3 couples. Two have been married for more than 50 years, the other over 30 years. All 3 started married life with nothing, just a job. All struggled for years, together. Two couples are retired comfortably with modest incomes. The third struggled for years, had some rough patches, before all their hard work paid off. They'll retire in a few years with a substantial income.

If you want a sugar daddy / sugar baby relationship work on making money, because the only thing holding the girl to you is the money. If you want a real relationship, work on the relationship. Of course, you first have to work on you. You have to be someone who offers more than just money.

[QUOTE]What a girlie man like JJBee does not get is this a way for men to let go of their money and power. If you believe that bullshit about she likes me and not my money, you are giving away your power. It is totally cool if women take your money and do not put out. It is their right to consent or not. Well, if he likes her for her, and she quits putting out, JJBee the Girlie man should stick with his women right?[/QUOTE]That's not just bullshit, it's self-deprecating insanity. In other words, your girl is only with you for your money. There's nothing she likes about you, and if the money stops, or some guy offers more, she's spreading her legs for someone else.

My way, she doesn't get my money. If the relationship doesn't provide me with what I want from the relationship, I walk away. I don't give more money to try and keep her. That's just pathetic. Then again, I don't provide her with a place to live, don't pay her expenses and don't give her a monthly allowance.

It is her right to consent or not. What kind of shitstain would question that? That's rhetorical, because everyone knows what kind of shitstain you are.

It's her right to consent. It's my right to get consent. That's what men do. Giving her more money is a sad way to go about things, which is what you said you had to do to get your girl. And you're saying it again, make money to get a relationship, use money to maintain the relationship.

I just use smiles. She's smiling when I see her and I keep her smiling. If I can't make her smile, and vice versa, I don't try to buy a smile, I pack my bags and go.

[QUOTE]I have been watching the men's rights groups, and it is refreshing that there are being so honest. They used to all be female hating but now they are realistic. They are saying if your wife is not putting out, dump her, and I am so glad they are saying that. When you do not equate sex with money, it plays right into the hands of women.[/QUOTE]Ah. Is that Simps Anonymous, the Incel Commandos?

You're like Charlie Brown begging Lucy to pull the ball away.

I equate sex with money, when I'm conducting a straight sex for money transaction. Anything else is necessarily more complicated. Am I just looking for a one time thing, or a semi-regular encounter. Am I looking for a relationship. How much time and effort will it take? Will it be worth it?

If I'm in a relationship and the sex stops, I don't try to solve the problem with money. If the problem is solved by money, I was never in a relationship. Why did the sex stop? Is there a viable solution? Is it worth the effort?

The "if your wife isn't putting out, dump her" advice is the advice of children, emotionally undeveloped adults who still think like pre-pubescent brats. It's "I'll just take my toys and go home. ".

Adults, specifically those who deserve to be called men, don't crawl away crying when they encounter problems. They fix them. Some problems can't be fixed, some aren't worth fixing. But bawling your head off and walking away from the problem is disgusting. Stock up on maxi-pads, because you're about to begin ovulating.

Maybe everything about the relationship is great, except the sex is lacking. Has she lost desire? Menopause will do that, something you'll soon be dealing with. Did you stop putting in the effort? If it can't be fixed, find yourself outside options and keep the happy relationship. Unless you think a relationship is only about money, there's a great deal more.

Solutions require thought and effort, 2 things you're incapable of.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2858037]All the women don't want me. I've never made that claim. I spent almost a full year cultivating contacts, meeting women, getting referrals, and generally making a good impression. I spent another 2 years weeding out the bad and selectively adding the good. After that I spent at least 6 months seeking out women who were completely off the gringo radar, most of them were not in any way involved with P4 P.[/QUOTE]I will make it easy to explain. You described sugar daddies as suckers who send money to Colombian women via Western Union. Let me help you out. You care about your woman? Yes. Do you pay her? Yes. Are you faithful to her? No. Do you see other women you pay? Yes. Do you care about them? Yes. Do you expect sex from said women? Yes Are you an older man seeing younger women? Yes.

Then you are a sugar daddy. When I say she does not care about you, I do not mean as a friend but she is not a girlfriend. You are just using that term because you trashed other guys. You spent day and night trashing MB for having a sugar relationship when you yourself have one or more than one.

As for another member of crew, Mr. E, claims to have a GF too. I have one question for him: are you hanging out with your "girlfriend" with the expectation of sex? Then you are paying with time so you can stop with this notion you are not paying.

And any woman who has a BF and says that she does not mind if he is off fucking working girls is advertising herself as damaged goods. What guy would want to be with a woman after that? You are devaluing her in the sexual market place, and that is why you are full of shit it you say she does not mind.

Both of you are trying to portray yourself as such studs that the women care so much about you that they fuck you for free and do not care if you are off fucking other women, and that is total bullshit. The only women who would ever accept such an arrangement are trash no one wants.

Having a GF requires commitment, and you two are not financially or emotionally committing. The only thing you two are committed to is yourselves.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2858023]If you are helping out a woman you care about and are seeing other women, she is a sugar baby. If the woman is not getting a financial reward, you can call her a fuck buddy or a friend with benefits.[/QUOTE]This is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. If you have a girlfriend that you do not give money to while you are seeing other women then she is only a fuck buddy or friend with benefits. Elvis does it again! So what is a wife called if her husband fucks with other women? What if a guy lives with a chick and she pays all the bills? What is she called then? What if a guys lives with his girlfriend and they split the bills 50/50. What is she called then? An even better question: What if you have a girlfriend and you are waiting for marriage for sex. What is she called then? The Book of Elvis is a damn fool. It states that a woman is only to be called a girlfriend if the guy is not seeing anyone else AND is giving her money. Well what if the woman starts seeing someone else in conjunction? Is she then no longer a girlfriend? So many questions and so many dumb answers.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2858023]And Mr. E are you paying your "girlfriend" with time? And is part of the time you spend with her in hopes of being charming enough so that she will have sex with you? And doesn't time equal money? So stop with the bullshit about I am not paying a "grown ass woman". You are paying. You are paying with time, and for a lot of us but maybe not you, time equals money.[/QUOTE]Man stop being disingenuous. When someone says paying you know exactly they do not mean paying with time. If I go sign up for some courses, I would look like a damn fool asking the registrar how much time do I need to pay the school for these courses?

Are you 10 years old? Grown men do not have to hope someone has sex with them. When grown people like each other that is just what they do. There is no mysticism in having sex with someone. It is nature.

Time is only money when you are using that time for something in lieu of making planned money. If it is just planned free time that you are using then time would not be money. And money isn't everything. Some people value human interaction as worth more.

There is a guy in the Rio thread right now who is down in Brazil with plenty of money, but lamenting that Brazilians or foreigners that he is coming into contact with will not give him the time of day. Pocket full of money but can not make friends to enjoy his time with.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2858023]It is not according to me.
.[/QUOTE]You say no then proceed to argue yes. You are ine circular and contrary individual.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2858037]All the women don't want me. I've never made that claim. I spent almost a full year cultivating contacts, meeting women, getting referrals, and generally making a good impression. I spent another 2 years weeding out the bad and selectively adding the good. After that I spent at least 6 months seeking out women who were completely off the gringo radar, most of them were not in any way involved with P4 P.

I've spent money on many women without paying them for sex. Christmas presents for family members, buying drinks for friends, giving change to homeless women, helping girls fix various household or automotive problems. The list goes on. Does your mom suck your dick when you buy her a Mother's Day card? I guess my family is different. We just say "thanks."

I've bought meals and given small gifts to girls I've dated. Sometimes the dates led to sex, sometimes not. Are you saying, if I take a girl to a cheap diner, buy her lunch and then a few weeks later we bump into each other at a bar, have a few drinks, each buying their own, then decide to fuck, I paid her for sex?

Truth is you know nothing about women. Although replacing "women" with any subject doesn't change the accuracy of the statement.

I think I see. I'm supposed to ask for permission to fuck? Is that right? I don't do that. However, I can understand it from a guy who thinks he has to earn the right to fuck a girl. What I do outside of any relationship, I do because I want to, and I don't ask permission. The same if my wife cooks only lactose free meals, and I decide to stop somewhere for a milkshake. I don't beg her to let me have a milkshake, I don't tell her I had a milkshake. If it would bother her, I'll brush my teeth before going home.

There are other options. If you weren't such a clueless whiner, you could have come up with something much better. Maybe I'm the one not worthy. That was the case at least once in the past. I wasn't prepared to commit, but committed anyway and it fell apart.

However, in this situation, I'm not seeking a monogamous relationship. Biologically humans aren't evolved for monogamy. All the current couples I know, who have been married for 30+ years have engaged in some form of extramarital sex. Someone who has repeatedly talked about having a harem shouldn't be stupid enough to point the finger here. But, if there's 1 thing you excel in, it's being stupid enough for any situation.

The gibberish of Elvis is truly something to behold.

So all women are hookers, right? That's what you're saying.

1. All women fuck for money. "As far as what a hooker is versus a "regular" woman is not that she fucks for money. That is all women.

2. Sugar Babies fuck for money, but have a relationship with the sugar daddy.

3. Hookers fuck for money, but don't have a relationship.

4. The difference between a hooker and a regular GF or wife is that the hooker doesn't have a relationship.

Ergo, all women are hookers. Some hookers have relationships. It baffles me how you can write it down, read through it and have no clue what you just said.

Girlfriends and wives quite often fuck other men. I can attest to that because I've fucked a lot of wives and girlfriends. There are even wives and girlfriends who work as hookers. I've fucked some of them too.

Oh Elvis! Just like Mami'sBoy, your inability to understand objectivity prevents you from ever being right. Well, that, your inability to remember basic details, your insistence on twisting reality to coincide with your warped beliefs and your sub 90 IQ also contribute.

This all began because your fuck buddy DramaQueen stated that all of the college girls he talked to on seeking didn't have computers, and when he asked if they needed computers, all of them said "no. " Either almost all were not college girls, or it's just another DramaQueen fantasy.

I pointed out the ridiculousness of every college girl refusing a free computer and Mami'sBoy boy decided to change the subject to "how he fucks college girls" and I only fuck trash. He's been unwilling to address the DQ inconsistency of college girls refusing free computers. Instead, he chose to make the discussion about my GF.

No bragging on my part (another Elvis deja vu moment. Everything I explain to you, feels like I've had to explain a dozen times before). How is "I have a girlfriend" bragging? They're easy to get. I've had dozens. If I mention that I have a car, is that also bragging?

You really should have been a baseball player, although obviously not a pinch runner, because you're batting 1. 000 on getting things wrong.

I've had 3 wives. The first had a boyfriend (unknown to me) the whole time. I only fucked her during the marriage. The second wife I cheated on a few times, before the cancer which killed her returned. She never cheated on me. The third wife, might have cheated on me. Once we separated, I was fucking lots of women before the divorce went through.

I did have a casual girlfriend for a few years and we frequently went to a swingers club, although we had limited interactions with others. When I was in town, maybe every 6 weeks, for 2 or 3 days, I was her boyfriend. The rest of the time we did our own thing.

Several years later I had a girlfriend and we were swingers. We went to swingers clubs, house parties and hotel parties together. We even hosted a few couples at our place. We were same-room swingers. Usually we would go with 1 other couple, sometimes 2 or 3 couples. The girls would typically have some fun together before the guys joined in. We would swap partners, or just stay with our partner. Each time we made the decision together. At the end of the night, we'd go back home.

Swinging successfully requires trust and a suppression of ego. You can't be insecure. It's not something you could ever handle. I'm not really sure how she could be considered a sugar baby. We always split all household expenses, although I usually paid for date nights.

Still batting, or babbling 1. 000.

Hollywood hasn't told me anything. I've rarely watched TV for 30 years. An occasional movie, some sports. When I wanted to get laid and have fun, I didn't work on my looks. I just talked to women. Some wanted relationships, some wanted to get laid and have fun. It's quite simple. About 90% of the women in the world want to have sex with men. Instead of going on sites where women are looking for johns or sugar daddies, I've always just talked to women. Turns out, if you can make them laugh and your breath doesn't stink, most women are happy to talk.

When I don't want to deal with that, I choose a prostitute and pay her.

I'm thinking of 3 couples. Two have been married for more than 50 years, the other over 30 years. All 3 started married life with nothing, just a job. All struggled for years, together. Two couples are retired comfortably with modest incomes. The third struggled for years, had some rough patches, before all their hard work paid off. They'll retire in a few years with a substantial income.

If you want a sugar daddy / sugar baby relationship work on making money, because the only thing holding the girl to you is the money. If you want a real relationship, work on the relationship. Of course, you first have to work on you. You have to be someone who offers more than just money.

That's not just bullshit, it's self-deprecating insanity. In other words, your girl is only with you for your money. There's nothing she likes about you, and if the money stops, or some guy offers more, she's spreading her legs for someone else.

My way, she doesn't get my money. If the relationship doesn't provide me with what I want from the relationship, I walk away. I don't give more money to try and keep her. That's just pathetic. Then again, I don't provide her with a place to live, don't pay her expenses and don't give her a monthly allowance.

It is her right to consent or not. What kind of shitstain would question that? That's rhetorical, because everyone knows what kind of shitstain you are.

It's her right to consent. It's my right to get consent. That's what men do. Giving her more money is a sad way to go about things, which is what you said you had to do to get your girl. And you're saying it again, make money to get a relationship, use money to maintain the relationship.

I just use smiles. She's smiling when I see her and I keep her smiling. If I can't make her smile, and vice versa, I don't try to buy a smile, I pack my bags and go.

Ah. Is that Simps Anonymous, the Incel Commandos?

You're like Charlie Brown begging Lucy to pull the ball away.

I equate sex with money, when I'm conducting a straight sex for money transaction. Anything else is necessarily more complicated. Am I just looking for a one time thing, or a semi-regular encounter. Am I looking for a relationship. How much time and effort will it take? Will it be worth it?

If I'm in a relationship and the sex stops, I don't try to solve the problem with money. If the problem is solved by money, I was never in a relationship. Why did the sex stop? Is there a viable solution? Is it worth the effort?

The "if your wife isn't putting out, dump her" advice is the advice of children, emotionally undeveloped adults who still think like pre-pubescent brats. It's "I'll just take my toys and go home. ".

Adults, specifically those who deserve to be called men, don't crawl away crying when they encounter problems. They fix them. Some problems can't be fixed, some aren't worth fixing. But bawling your head off and walking away from the problem is disgusting. Stock up on maxi-pads, because you're about to begin ovulating.

Maybe everything about the relationship is great, except the sex is lacking. Has she lost desire? Menopause will do that, something you'll soon be dealing with. Did you stop putting in the effort? If it can't be fixed, find yourself outside options and keep the happy relationship. Unless you think a relationship is only about money, there's a great deal more.

Solutions require thought and effort, 2 things you're incapable of.[/QUOTE]I never said they did not have a computer. I said they never have with them. I also said there computer skills are way behind Euros and Americans.

You are in a league by yourself. You could learn a few things from Elvis and M. Boy, but you are just too jealous and dumb. You are the loser hanging out in Colombia, while the 3 of us have been traveling the world. Me not so much anymore I stick with Mxico, I have hit the jackpot traveling between MTY / CDMX, while you complain and make shit up.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2857917]What status and ego? I have had girlfriends since I was a teenager. It is just like breathing. You must be one of those late bloomers and to you getting a girlfriend is really something spectacular for you to think that having one boosts one's status or ego.

You still never answered what Mr. Faithful to one woman is doing posting on a hooker board everyday. The attention that you constantly give to us could be better used on your one and only. But I am sure that you have already told her about this website and that you post on it everyday, being that she is a REAL girlfriend and all. I know she gave it her stamp of approval, since you are running around worrying about what everybody else's girlfriend knows.[/QUOTE]I'm beyond baffled here. How does having a girlfriend, or saying you have a girlfriend, boost your status? What status? I guess if we were on the "I've never had a girlfriend" website it might boost it.

It's a hooker information exchange platform. Whether or not someone has a girlfriend is useless trivia. If someone asks where to buy viagra, does having a girlfriend improve my answer?

"Go to any drugstore, and since I have a girlfriend you know that's the best answer. ".

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2858023]It is not according to me. If you are helping out a woman you care about and are seeing other women, she is a sugar baby. If the woman is not getting a financial reward, you can call her a fuck buddy or a friend with benefits. All these terms though have negative connotations, and you all know that.

GF and wife have positive societal connotations, and you all know that and that is why you want to use them. If you have a woman who you call GF and she says that she does not mind you fucking other women, that just means the two of you have gotten together and tried to redefine its meaning. Show me one mainstream source that says it is okay to have a GF and fuck hookers on the side.[/QUOTE]Sure. Holy Bible. King James Version. Old Testament. I'll leave it to you to find all the references.

[QUOTE]OTOH, there is no societal expectation of monogamy with a FWB, fuck buddy, john, or sugar baby.

Mr. E's definitions do not allow for sugar babies. There are hookers and not hookers, and a sugar baby is not any different from a hooker. Hookers take money for sex and non hookers do not. JJBee has derided sugar daddies as suckers who pay Colombian women who do not have sex so he wants to use the term GF instead of sugar baby when that is exactly what his "girlfriend" is.

And Mr. E are you paying your "girlfriend" with time? And is part of the time you spend with her in hopes of being charming enough so that she will have sex with you? And doesn't time equal money? So stop with the bullshit about I am not paying a "grown ass woman". You are paying. You are paying with time, and for a lot of us but maybe not you, time equals money.[/QUOTE]As I understand it, a SD / SB arrangement is an informal arrangement with a clearly defined payment or support structure for the man, along with the man's expectations for the woman. The difference between a sugar baby and a hooker is the difference between renting an furnished apartment and renting a hotel room. One gets paid monthly, the other daily.

Sticking with the analogy, a girlfriend is the equivalent of a long-term lease, of an unfurnished residence, and a wife is a mortgage. For both you start with a basic structure and furnish it to your liking.

Neither situation precludes you from occasionally spending the night in a hotel. According to the Kinsey Institute, 23% of men and 19% of women in committed relationships admitted to infidelity. It's not uncommon.

Since you insist I have a sugar baby, what's the arrangement? In order to make such a declaration, you have to know the details of the arrangement. Otherwise you're just doing the Elvis, babbling incoherently about shit you know nothing about.

Get your licks in now Surfer! Centro is terminally ill and will be gone within five years.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2853839]Not sure about your prediction based on your estimate that locals make up 95% of the Centro girls customers, but seems reasonable.

So based on your estimate, are your saying that 5% of the gringos will drive the pricing so high in Centro for both locals and gringos, that the majority of the Centro girls will jump to Poblado.

The customers who pull in Pobaldo are not going to go with the majority of girls of work Centro as they not very desirable.

The "jump" of girls from Centro to Poblado has been taking place for several months now, and the quality is not all that great, and I doubt it can become any more saturated, especially with more fat and ugly girls from Centro.

Also, based on the majority of the clients being locals in Centro, my prediction is pricing won't change much in Centro except for inflation.

And also something you may not be aware of, but the locals do control pricing to a certain degree in Centro.

If you spend much time in Centro and observe how the locals interact with the girls, a lot of times a local will go up to a girl, and then after a short period of time will walk away..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2858734]Get your licks in now Surfer! Centro is terminally ill and will be gone within five years.[/QUOTE]The critical juncture is here. I have been gone 2 years and have lost 5% of the number of girls and 5% of the top girls since returning. This lower quality has been mentioned in endless posts in all areas (street, spas, Poblado). Also, all the Youtube, instagram, twitter videos and posts bringing more and more guys here. Same has been said about hotel and AirBnB room prices going up. Locals are not doing this.

So if Centro lost the top 5% in 2 years. This accelerates another 5% in the next 1. 5 years, 5% in 1 years, and lastly 5% in 6 months. That comes to losing the top 20% in 5 years. Once the hottest 20% are gone then no foreigners are coming to Centro thus dead in my estimation. The girls are learning the ropes more and more quickly now. The girls I was with just a weeks ago asking me for higher prices is just testing the waters because some fool paid high for them or one of their friends. Their mode of operation is changing and it will accelerate.

I was there in Angeles City (Philippines) when critical mass happened with the Koreans. That took 10 years but they were buying up Girlie Bars which takes more time and money. They now own half of the bars with girls in them. Nothing needs to be bought in Centro, just pay higher fees to the girls. Much simpler and faster. Angeles City (PH) now has half the number of bars and the quality has dropped, prices increased, and average ages of the girls has risen by 4+ years, the girls wear more clothes on stage, and fewer girls on stage now. We want bikinis. The Koreans want the girls dressed in dresses. If you have any buddies you know who used to visit there then ask them. I lived there 2. 5 years when critical mass happened. Had a buddy from Korea at that time too. His flight was only 4. 5 hours so he could easily visit on a 3 day weekend.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2858374]As I understand it, a SD / SB arrangement is an informal arrangement with a clearly defined payment or support structure for the man, along with the man's expectations for the woman. The difference between a sugar baby and a hooker is the difference between renting an furnished apartment and renting a hotel room. One gets paid monthly, the other daily. Since you insist I have a sugar baby, what's the arrangement?[/QUOTE]SMH. Three times I went to Senior Frog's with one, two, and three women in tow. I was not serious with any of them at the time. SF's has funny signs they put up behind their customers. Three times they put the sign sugar daddy behind me, and three times, they were right.

When I kissed my much younger GF goodbye, a cab driver told me, "You have a pretty GF" which again was on target.

You can insert your personal insult like you always do here, but the point is these people correctly knew what kind of relationships I had just from the vibes the women and I gave off.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2858374]Sure. Holy Bible. King James Version. Old Testament. I'll leave it to you to find all the references.[/QUOTE]And so if you went to Senior Frog's the sign would read "In a Biblical relationship" versus "sugardaddy"?

Yeah, you would think that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2858104]Man stop being disingenuous. When someone says paying you know exactly they do not mean paying with time.

Are you 10 years old? Grown men do not have to hope someone has sex with them.[/QUOTE]You parade around all superior to others for getting laid without paying for it when you are paying with time. You are oblivious to the fact that for other guys the reason they pay is that it is cheaper than wooing a woman like you do because for them time equals money. Do you get time equals money is something that is true for a "grown man" not a 10 year old? Again, here you go parading around all superior while you are being immature.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2858091] The Book of Elvis is a damn fool. It states that a woman is only to be called a girlfriend if the guy is not seeing anyone else AND is giving her money.[/QUOTE]I said you are not financially or emotionally committed. You and JJBee are off spending your time and money on other women and care about pleasing them more than your "girlfriends".

Truth is when you and JJBee parade around with the term GF, all you are doing is showing everyone you are arrogant POS liars. He has a sugar baby and you have a friend with benefits, and everyone knows it.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2858911]The critical juncture is here. I have been gone 2 years and have lost 5% of the number of girls [/QUOTE]The thing is, this is all made up in your head, both the number and the assessment. People find the girls less attractive simply bcos they get used to them. They are just not blown away by the false positive emotion they felt the first time.

As for AC, I always thought the quality of girls was prett low. Wanting bikinis, well that's just your own subjective preference. Not mine. Not the majority. Cheap girls you can still find down the far end or outside of the big clubs. Its only ruined if you allow it be that way in your mind.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2858349]...You are in a league by yourself. ...[/QUOTE]I agree with this statement since he appears to be the only one that have girls with visa to visit him in US.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2858975]You parade around all superior to others for getting laid without paying for it when you are paying with time. You are oblivious to the fact that for other guys the reason they pay is that it is cheaper than wooing a woman like you do because for them time equals money. [/QUOTE]Once again some dumb Elvis shit. So guys pay because they rather spend their time working than talking to women? Uhh what is the problem with doing both? And what about retired men that pay? Not that I am superior because I know how to talk to women and can fuck them for free, but maybe it just boils down to my time management skills since I also work and make money. But from your viewpoint, nobody that works fucks women for free, because they don't have time?

Are these guys also not sleeping and not taking shits because time is money and they are not going to waste it in bed or on the toilet the way you consider talking to women as wasting it? The more you write the dumber you sound.

I never said that I was wooing anybody, unless by wooing you mean talking. We all have our priorities. If yours is money money money instead of fostering relationships then that is your choice. Once again, to some people relationships mean more than money. And once again some people can do both; it is not an either or.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2858975]I said you are not financially or emotionally committed. You and JJBee are off spending your time and money on other women and care about pleasing them more than your "girlfriends".
[/QUOTE]Wrong again genius. I am off spending my time and money on myself! My own kid is grown and does not ask me for shit. You think I am taking care of some broad then you have lost your damn mind. Commit MY money to a chick? Elvis: you stupid.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2858734]Get your licks in now Surfer! Centro is terminally ill and will be gone within five years.[/QUOTE]Yeah I know, as a result of my actions, and my actions alone starting about 8 years ago when I began summoning mongers from around the World to come to Centro, and they have been coming in droves like locusts, almost like pilgrims.

The Veracruz Church was established over 300 years ago, and I suspect there have been hookers plying their trade around the Church for more than a century, yet the end is near as a result of my call for all able bodied mongers to come to Centro.

Perhaps the Colombian Government will give me some type of award for causing the demise and end of prostitution at this venue which the Government has been unable to do.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2859000]I agree with this statement since he appears to be the only one that have girls with visa to visit him in US.[/QUOTE]I'm sure I'm not the only one. Maybe the only 1 posting in the Colombia forums. I've got a few girls in my contacts who occasionally post from US locations.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2859050]The Veracruz Church was established over 300 years ago, and I suspect there have been hookers plying their trade around the Church for more than a century, yet the end is near...[/QUOTE]We are living in different age though, information can travel around the world in milliseconds, so it doesn't take much for the proverbial cat to be out of the bag (PSA -- remember to slap your local youtuber LOL).

Not to mention most of the information is being saved / archived and searchable.

Add to that airplanes and the world is getting smaller, a global village.

Also with more and more men not being chained to the physical location with remote work options greatly accelerated by covid (when even the average non-tech Joe was forced all of the sudden to work remotely and now the precedent was set) and bad / expensive local pussy market, more and more will choose Colombia for extended periods of time.

Plus there are favorable cost of living factors, and the weather.

Through fact that nobody speaks English here and all the drugging and robbery might be stopping the wave a bit.

End of Centro? Probably not. Will it be getting better? Probably not either.

Many girls choose Centro because although Poblado has bigger pay, it's very irregular. And bills and hunger are quite regular (and we all know their financial saving skills).

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2858967]SMH. Three times I went to Senior Frog's with one, two, and three women in tow. I was not serious with any of them at the time. SF's has funny signs they put up behind their customers. Three times they put the sign sugar daddy behind me, and three times, they were right.

When I kissed my much younger GF goodbye, a cab driver told me, "You have a pretty GF" which again was on target.

You can insert your personal insult like you always do here, but the point is these people correctly knew what kind of relationships I had just from the vibes the women and I gave off.

And so if you went to Senior Frog's the sign would read "In a Biblical relationship" versus "sugardaddy"?

Yeah, you would think that.[/QUOTE]Pixar needs to make a Buzz Lightyear spinoff movie about your abject stupidity. They've already got the catch phrase, because "to infinity and beyond" perfectly describes your ignorance. It's truly boundless.

Last summer, in the Midwestern United States, heart of the Bible Belt, in a conservative small town, in a conservative state, I took a girl from Colombia into an empty barbecue restaurant. The girl is 40 years younger than me. She was in the bathroom when the 65-70 year old waitress brought our food. The waitress said, in English, "your girlfriend is very beautiful. " I posted about it last year.

That means exactly nothing. Another woman, a greeter at Wal-Mart, glared at us when we walked in. There are about 8 billion people on this planet. One person making a statement doesn't control worldwide opinions.

Senor Frog's is a party place. The signs are to get laughs. If an older gringo enters with 1, 2, 3 or 34 young locals, about the only sign they could hold up to get a laugh is "Sugar Daddy. " "Gringo with Putas" might make some people angry.

Same with the taxi driver. What's he going to say? "I like your hooker?" "Does she do anal?" "Think she'll do a threesome with me and you?" If he says anything at all (and most won't say anything at all), his options are limited, plus the limitations of his English.

It's both fun and frustrating making a fool of you. It's fun, because like your stupidity, there is no end to the opportunities. It's frustrating because you can't grasp anything that you have previously written and connect it to any reply, as illustrated here:

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2858023]GF and wife have positive societal connotations, and you all know that and that is why you want to use them. If you have a woman who you call GF and she says that she does not mind you fucking other women, that just means the two of you have gotten together and tried to redefine its meaning. [B]Show me one mainstream source that says it is okay to have a GF and fuck hookers on the side[/B].[/QUOTE]You asked for a source, I gave you a source. In the US these days, it doesn't get more mainstream than the Bible. If Hefner was still alive, I could have used Playboy as another.

If you had the capacity to grasp something so simple, there were dozens of possible responses. Instead, with your miniscule understanding of everything, you decided that:

1. I would have any interest in taking my girl to Senor Frog's.

2. At Senor Frog's they would hold a sign over my head.

3. The staff at Senor Frog's would intuitively know that I occasionally will fuck other women.

4. The staff at Senor Frog's will then translate that intuition into "Biblical relationship. ".

I think your name needs to change from Elvis to Elvisn't. As in "it's really fucking simple, but Elv Isn't able to understand it. ".

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2858975]You parade around all superior to others for getting laid without paying for it when you are paying with time. You are oblivious to the fact that for other guys the reason they pay is that it is cheaper than wooing a woman like you do because for them time equals money. Do you get time equals money is something that is true for a "grown man" not a 10 year old? Again, here you go parading around all superior while you are being immature.[/QUOTE]Simple things for simple minds. "Time is money" applies to everyone, because everyone has a limited amount of it and almost everyone wants more of it.

The simplistic, 10 year old view is that time is money, because you could be using the time to make money. The adult view is that time spent making money is a necessary waste of time. I enjoy what I do to make money, but I'd rather spend the time wooing, or fucking women. And if I feel like wooing a woman, then just finding a hooker is time wasted.

[QUOTE]I said you are not financially or emotionally committed. You and JJBee are off spending your time and money on other women and care about pleasing them more than your "girlfriends".[/QUOTE]What you said is that for a real relationship it needs to only be about money. Granted, you change what you say more often than most people change their underwear. So, from your most recently stated position, being emotionally committed means it's not a relationship.

I spend my money on many things. It's mine. I earned it. Daddy didn't give it to me. My girlfriend has no say on how I spend it. If she is busy doing other things and I feel like fucking someone else, it's my penis. She doesn't control that either. If I take the other girl to dinner, I'm spending my time, which is mine alone, my money, which is mine alone, to fuck with my penis, which is mine alone.

For the record, whenever I'm with a hooker, I care about pleasing myself. When I'm with a woman, who isn't a hooker, I care about pleasing both, or all 3 of us. I don't worry about pleasing someone who isn't in the bed.

[QUOTE]Truth is when you and JJBee parade around with the term GF, all you are doing is showing everyone you are arrogant POS liars. He has a sugar baby and you have a friend with benefits, and everyone knows it.[/QUOTE]Parade around? If I'm going to be parading around I want a fucking marching band. Nobody is parading around. For some unknown reason a few brainless, psychotic twits on ISG are obsessed with the fact that I have a girlfriend. The other 99.999% don't give a flying fuck. Why it's become the focal point of your life is a mystery to me. You waddle around and care more about discussing my relationships than about pleasing your own girlfriend. Talk about wasting time.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2858990]The thing is, this is all made up in your head, both the number and the assessment. People find the girls less attractive simply bcos they get used to them. They are just not blown away by the false positive emotion they felt the first time.

As for AC, I always thought the quality of girls was prett low. Wanting bikinis, well that's just your own subjective preference. Not mine. Not the majority. Cheap girls you can still find down the far end or outside of the big clubs. Its only ruined if you allow it be that way in your mind.[/QUOTE]Strange. The foreigners and locals I spoke with have all agreed with me. Obviously you have not been reading the posts here that verify my assessment that the quality in street girls, spas / casa, and Lleras / Pobaldo are all down.

Naked is best but illegal in AC. Bikinis are preferred to see if there is hidden baby damage and to be sure bras or dress breast area are not padded and see if she really in thin or hiding her fat body in baggy clothes. You need to look at Score Birds pool parties from the first 2 years and then watch the last 2-5 years so you know what the hell you are talking about. Still they do not do justice to the girls that were there before that.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2859317]Strange. The foreigners and locals I spoke with have all agreed with me. the quality in street girls, spas / casa, and Lleras / Pobado are all down..[/QUOTE]Obv some people agree w you but I put it to you that's its a biased sample. People that agree w you would comment to you. But likewise I see many comments from newbies to Colombia that the women are stunning. It odd don't you think, that there is no country in the world where mongers would say the standard of girls is getting higher. Not even spain or usa, where these millions of beautiful chicas have sposdely gone to.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2859328] But likewise I see many comments from newbies to Colombia that the women are stunning. It odd don't you think, that there is no country in the world where mongers would say the standard of girls is getting higher. Not even spain or usa, where these millions of beautiful chicas have sposdely gone to.[/QUOTE]Newbies do not know the before and after. They never saw the girls from 2+ years ago to compare against the girls available today. Simplified newbies do not know % at! If I was a newbie I would be thrilled to death too.

Some of the hot girls disappeared through food. Food globalism from the USA fast food and junk food are making huge percentages of the girls fat now. I used to see thin girls all over the Philippines and slowly watched them fatten up. Look at how fat kids are in Western countries. There were not that many fat kids in my classes when I was growing up.

Many Western countries are marrying overseas girls and is increasing every day. Nobody wants the Western attitude "I do not need a man" woman.

The incomes of many countries are increasing so the need to offer sex is not as large as before and countless other reasons.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2859408]Newbies do not know the before and after.

Some of the hot girls disappeared through food.
Many Western countries are marrying overseas girls and is increasing every day.

The incomes of many countries are increasing .[/QUOTE]I never said newbies would know the before and after. I simply said they often find the women stunning, and this supports my overall claim.

Agreed that obesity is a problem worldwide but not at 5% per year. And it effects young people less, and the physically active sex workers less. Plus some guys prefer girls w some flesh. And very few girls turn from stunners to obese and unacceptable. Often its the puglies anyway.

Marrying- this is normal in the career of anyone. Its nothing new.

Incomes increase, so do costs. It has nothing to do with the percieved beauty of the people.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere;2859317]Strange. The foreigners and locals I spoke with have all agreed with me. Obviously you have not been reading the posts here that verify my assessment that the quality in street girls, spas / casa, and Lleras / Pobaldo are all down.
t.[/QUOTE]Do you remember the first time someone bought you a box of assorted flavour xhocolates? It was quite amazing hey? All those great flavours to try out. What a great present!

But by the 4th or 5th time many folks will be thinking, oh no, not more choclates! Can't they offer me smthg else? Boring!

[QUOTE=JustTK;2859328]Obv some people agree w you but I put it to you that's its a biased sample. People that agree w you would comment to you. But likewise I see many comments from newbies to Colombia that the women are stunning. It odd don't you think, that there is no country in the world where mongers would say the standard of girls is getting higher. Not even spain or usa, where these millions of beautiful chicas have sposdely gone to.[/QUOTE]In Colombia almost everyone will agree with you. It's one of the things in the culture, they hate directly contradicting anyone. It can be maddening because someone agrees to meet at a certain time, or do a certain thing, but it never happens.

Let's get back to basics:

[U]Man law 101[/U]

[I]No real man is telling another real man how to spend his hard earned money or who to fuck.[/I]

[B]Pussy is Pussy[/B]

All you need to do is go to a few different countries fuck the girls there to realize this. Now if you are the type of person that gets hung up on the pussy life support system, if you like it then I love it.

I have girlfriends in three different countries. I help them all out with money. And because they are my girlfriends I talk to them. I do not talk to prostitutes, I give them money to gain access to their mouth, pussy and ass without have to do that. And I am not going to let anyone hear on ISG or anyone that actually exists in real life to define my relationships for me.

Only wage slaves believe that time is money. I am an emancipated wage slave so I know this personally. Those who are financially literate know money is money. And you use money to make more money, not your time. Because your time is limited. Everyone gets the same 24 hours in a day, no matter how much or how little money that they have.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2859628]In Colombia almost everyone will agree with you. It's one of the things in the culture, they hate directly contradicting anyone. It can be maddening because someone agrees to meet at a certain time, or do a certain thing, but it never happens.[/QUOTE]A little further on this so others can better understand what your saying is that Colombians try to avoid confrontation, so instead of being blunt or speaking their minds, they will say one thing to avoid confrontation and do something else which is hard to accept and something you cannot really change when dealing with Colombians which I struggle with at times.

Another cultural item here which I find maddening in step with what you have brought up is communication.

Typically they will say they will meet at a certain time whether they can make it or not, and then when they don't make it, they don't even contact you to tell you there not going to make it or advise you if they are going to be late.

This is probably one of my biggest frustrations dealing with Colombians, and for them, it's totally normal in their culture.

And probably the biggest frustration mongers have here myself included.

On many occasions over the years I have had to discipline some Chicas for showing up late by giving them a deadline to arrive, and if not blow them off, and typically after they miss a payday, they become more punctual.

Pursuing regular girls is a lot of work. Forget the time is money excuse people are using. We are lazy. It's like exercise. People always say they don't have time to exercise. That's a lie. We all have 10 minutes before bed to do sit-ups pushups and jumping jacks. The reason we don't do it, is because we hate exercise. I didn't start mongering until my 30's, and if I had to go back in time, I would have started at 18. LOL.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2859987]A little further on this so others can better understand what your saying is that Colombians try to avoid confrontation, so instead of being blunt or speaking their minds, they will say one thing to avoid confrontation and do something else which is hard to accept and something you cannot really change when dealing with Colombians which I struggle with at times.

Another cultural item here which I find maddening in step with what you have brought up is communication.

Typically they will say they will meet at a certain time whether they can make it or not, and then when they don't make it, they don't even contact you to tell you there not going to make it or advise you if they are going to be late.

This is probably one of my biggest frustrations dealing with Colombians, and for them, it's totally normal in their culture.

And probably the biggest frustration mongers have here myself included.

On many occasions over the years I have had to discipline some Chicas for showing up late by giving them a deadline to arrive, and if not blow them off, and typically after they miss a payday, they become more punctual.[/QUOTE]I love Colombians. All of them excerpt the mean rolos. 2 things I don't like about the culture is when you ask for the check at a restaurant hey only bring the receipt and then they leave for 3 hours and don't bring the dataphono so you can pay. It's like broski I said bring the check so I can pay not so I could admire it.

And the other thing is when you go to the store like a clothing store and you're just there to look at things. The girl ornguy whi works st the store just follows you sround and looks at you while you look at the items. Its like broski can inlook at the items in piece I dint need your helo and I'm not going to steal anything.

Aside from that I love paisas. The tardiness thikg is kinda whack too tbh but I learned that when you tell then be somewhere at 4 to them it means ok got it ill leave my house at 4. So I judt tell them to come an hour before were supposed to meet and I get there on time and it works. And if they are early, in another timeline they wouldve been late LOL.

If you are dealing with online girls visiting you, some have mentioned that they tend to be late. If you tell her to meet you at 8 pm, she may show up at 9 pm or later. Very rarely will she show up at 8 pm but if she gets there before 8:30 pm, it's like she's on time. Someone mentioned a technique that I have been using, setting the date an hour earlier than you want and then chances are that she will show when you actually want. So if you want her to show up at 8 pm, ask her to meet you at 7 pm and it is likely that she will show up closer to 8 pm. Now, every once in a while, a girl screws everything up and actually shows up on time, but that is only once in a while.

Some may say it is rude but it is more that time is very casual here and the girls treat these meetings as social events even though it is really a business transaction.

Now, I do get girls who are very late, and I just tell them it is too late for me and cancel the date if they have not left yet and it is already one hour past. Usually they beg you to change your mind, and then they actually make more of an effort to get going.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2859261]

What you said is that for a real relationship it needs to only be about money. Granted, you change what you say more often than most people change their underwear. So, from your most recently stated position, being emotionally committed means it's not a relationship.

I spend my money on many things. It's mine. I earned it. Daddy didn't give it to me. My girlfriend has no say on how I spend it. If she is busy doing other things and I feel like fucking someone else, it's my penis. She doesn't control that either. If I take the other girl to dinner, I'm spending my time, which is mine alone, my money, which is mine alone, to fuck with my penis, which is mine alone..[/QUOTE]I love how you Medellin morons make the definition of girlfriend and sugar baby / daddy personal definitions when they are societal ones. It is very convenient for you when you all are bullshitting yourselves. Of course, the definitions are not mine. [URL]https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0731121419875115[/URL].

Sugar dating was the most common type of sugar relationship as 31 percent of participants had this type of arrangement. Those involved in sugar dating engaged in a variety of activities with their benefactor including going out to dinner, getting drinks, attending work events, and traveling. Sexual interactions were also a predominant part of the interpersonal relationship script of sugar daters.

One of the most important characteristics of the sugar dating interpersonal relationship script was the expectation for benefactors to provide gifts and monetary benefits to female recipients. The monetary arrangements involved in sugar dating did not follow the "pay-for-play" format that is typically seen with prostitution. Consistent with the general subcultural sugar relationship script, I found that most participants emphasized having some sort of emotional connection and / or genuine liking for their benefactor.

The lives of sugar daters and their benefactors were not usually intertwined, as women typically preferred to keep their sugar relationships separate from their other, more conventional social roles. This stemmed from the general subcultural sugar relationship script that involved the expectation that both parties create and maintain an arrangement that was NSA. This meant that sugar partners were not expected to form committed or monogamous relationships with one another. In fact, most sugar dating relationships were nonmonogamous.

End of link.

So while sugar relationships pretty much default to nonomogamous, the GF / BF ones go the other way. The most common area this rears its ugly head is when a guy founds out his GF has a SD.

Almost all the advice given is to dump the girl when that happens because she is not committed to the guy.

[URL]https://dearwendy.com/the-girl-im-dating-is-on-vacation-with-her-sugar-daddy/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6274530[/URL]

I don't care what you all do. I just think it so funny how you Medellin morons swear up and down you are not sugar daddies when you obviously are.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2860075]I love how you Medellin morons make the definition of girlfriend and sugar baby / daddy personal definitions when they are societal ones. It is very convenient for you when you all are bullshitting yourselves.[/QUOTE]You are the mother fucking bullshitter and you have been polluting this thread by talking a lot of shit and practicing what you preach since I have been posting about Colombia. Men in general are not monogamous nor are girls. In nearly all types of relationships men and girl enter into monogamy is the standard but not the practice. What many men do is practice non-ethical non-monogamy. I practice ethical non-monogamy.

The problem is that you (any many others of your type) want to take the ideas of your cultural background (you know the original pussy colonizers) and apply them to cultures where they do not apply or accept them. That makes you an International Moron and the dumbest of the dumb mother fuckers. Because you are posting about monogamy in a country where girls except that they are not going to get it from even their husbands. They may not like it but the majority of them make the trade off in order to get the financial security that come with the societal institution of marriage.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2860075]I don't care what you all do. I just think it so funny how you Medellin morons swear up and down you are not sugar daddies when you obviously are.[/QUOTE]But you do. You want to force your views down the throats of others by engaging in personal attacks. [B]Read Man Law 101 you DMF![/B].

[URL]https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fevo.2019.00230/full[/URL]

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2023/09/18/what-is-modern-monogamy-how-its-saving-some-long-term-relationships/70824743007/[/URL]

"Most male mammals do not look after their offspring; humans are an exception in this respect. Like most mammals, humans are not strictly monogamic. A tendency to social monogamy has evolved, however, and is subject to strong reinforcement by cultural factors, particularly religion".

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12685340/[/URL]

Yes, I can google and post links too. But I am not making the same logical fallacies are you are. Namely: Appeal to authority. Everyone fuck this dumb mother fucker with the handle of Elvis. Just [B]DOWHATCHA[/B] like!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2860600]...monogamy...[/QUOTE]"Sex at Dawn: How We Mate, Why We Stray, and What It Means for Modern Relationships" is pretty interesting and entertaining read on the topic.

Eg there is tribe that practices a group insemination, all men have sex with a woman publicly so the father is unknown by design, and the child will have many father-uncles to rely on.

If I remember correctly there are also explained biological defaults of the women -- basically fuck as many men as possible preferably one after another (and scream loud while being fucked to advertise readiness to other males), and let the best sperm win (which is why part of the semen is actually spermicide and shape of the penis evolved to clean out the pervious male semen).

Mosuo culture in China practices interesting arrangement today as well:

[I]Mosuo culture the men and women have the ability to make love anytime and with anybody. Mosuo men and women are free to have multiple partners, and to initiate or break off relationships when they want.

Usually In the Mosuo culture when the girl reached age 13 - 14 or when she became mature, she will get her own bedroom. The special thing about this bedroom that it has two doors. One will open to the entire house and the second door will open to the street. This room to have a privacy and freedom to have sex.

Mosuo women they dont get worried if they got pregnant because the uncle, brother and mother will take care of the child. Usually they don't know who's the father and most of the father have no responsibility to raise a child.[/I]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2860600]You are the mother fucking bullshitter and you have been polluting this thread by talking a lot of shit and practicing what you preach since I have been posting about Colombia. Men in general are not monogamous nor are girls. In nearly all types of relationships men and girl enter into monogamy is the standard but not the practice. What many men do is practice non-ethical non-monogamy. I practice ethical non-monogamy.

The problem is that you (any many others of your type) want to take the ideas of your cultural background (you know the original pussy colonizers) and apply them to cultures where they do not apply or accept them. That makes you an International Moron and the dumbest of the dumb mother fuckers. Because you are posting about monogamy in a country where girls except that they are not going to get it from even their husbands. They may not like it but the majority of them make the trade off in order to get the financial security that come with the societal institution of marriage.

But you do. You want to force your views down the throats of others by engaging in personal attacks. [B]Read Man Law 101 you DMF![/B].

[URL]https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fevo.2019.00230/full[/URL]

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2023/09/18/what-is-modern-monogamy-how-its-saving-some-long-term-relationships/70824743007/[/URL]

"Most male mammals do not look after their offspring; humans are an exception in this respect. Like most mammals, humans are not strictly monogamic. A tendency to social monogamy has evolved, however, and is subject to strong reinforcement by cultural factors, particularly religion".

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12685340/[/URL]

Yes, I can google and post links too. But I am not making the same logical fallacies are you are. Namely: Appeal to authority. Everyone fuck this dumb mother fucker with the handle of Elvis. Just [B]DOWHATCHA[/B] like![/QUOTE]Fuertes declaraciones sub-zero. You obviously don't know shit about you are talking about and have demonstratated that in your posts. Just today in the main Medellin thread you advised people to use money exchanges over atms and to not worry if they lose $50 usd because they already paid for their passports and plane tickets.

You're a real piece of work with your stupid ass quotes like "pussy is pussy"and "how you like me now".

Elvis has more expertise about Colombia than you will ever have. So do us all a favor and just stop posting unless if you actually have something valuable to contribute because all the shit talking is just annoying.

[QUOTE=JohnnieCash;2860811]"Sex at Dawn: How We Mate, Why We Stray, and What It Means for Modern Relationships" is pretty interesting and entertaining read on the topic.

Eg there is tribe that practices a group insemination, all men have sex with a woman publicly so the father is unknown by design, and the child will have many father-uncles to rely on.

If I remember correctly there are also explained biological defaults of the women -- basically fuck as many men as possible preferably one after another (and scream loud while being fucked to advertise readiness to other males), and let the best sperm win (which is why part of the semen is actually spermicide and shape of the penis evolved to clean out the pervious male semen).

Mosuo culture in China practices interesting arrangement today as well:

[I]Mosuo culture the men and women have the ability to make love anytime and with anybody. Mosuo men and women are free to have multiple partners, and to initiate or break off relationships when they want.

Usually In the Mosuo culture when the girl reached age 13 - 14 or when she became mature, she will get her own bedroom. The special thing about this bedroom that it has two doors. One will open to the entire house and the second door will open to the street. This room to have a privacy and freedom to have sex.

Mosuo women they dont get worried if they got pregnant because the uncle, brother and mother will take care of the child. Usually they don't know who's the father and most of the father have no responsibility to raise a child.[/I][/QUOTE]On a somewhat related note, there's some interesting notes in sexual mores of the Native American tribes encountered by the Lewis and Clark Expedition.

Many of the tribes offered their women to the members of the expedition, with the men vying to get the strongest men to have sex with their wives. In particular demand was York, the black slave owned by William Clark.

Something else of interest, at least to me, in "Experiment in Autobiography", H. G. Wells wrote about a practice in Victorian England which he encountered. For those who don't know, during the reign of Queen Victoria sexuality was repressed. No sex before marriage, no sex except for the purpose of procreation, no public displays, even words like breast were considered taboo.

It's been a long time, so I might not get this exactly correct. Wells, as a young man was boarding at a house. There was also a single woman boarding at the same house. During a certain time, once per week, they were encouraged to engage in sexual play (without having sex) with each other. As in many other things, Wells was quite the rebel when it came to sex. It's an interesting insight into the waning years of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th.

Here's something closer to our time. Thanks to a wild uncle who wrote a lot of letters to his girlfriend and later wife (who kept them all), and their storage in what was my bedroom for 9 months, I'm well informed about the practice of swinging dating back to the mid 1950's. More recently, between 1997 and 2010 I was a frequent participant in swinging groups, clubs and parties, with a few different girlfriends.

While it's not publicly acceptable, it's privately quite popular. From small Bible belt towns to big liberal cities, it's going on all the time. Wife swapping, orgies, gang bangs, threesomes and much more, are all happening right around the corner.

I've met cops, teachers, preachers, lawyers, and people from all types of backgrounds happily exploring alternatives to basic monogamy. All too often, the people condemning such practices get caught literally with their pants down, doing all the things they preach against.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2860075]I love how you Medellin morons make the definition of girlfriend and sugar baby / daddy personal definitions when they are societal ones. It is very convenient for you when you all are bullshitting yourselves. Of course, the definitions are not mine. [URL]https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0731121419875115[/URL].

Sugar dating was the most common type of sugar relationship as 31 percent of participants had this type of arrangement. Those involved in sugar dating engaged in a variety of activities with their benefactor including going out to dinner, getting drinks, attending work events, and traveling. Sexual interactions were also a predominant part of the interpersonal relationship script of sugar daters.

One of the most important characteristics of the sugar dating interpersonal relationship script was the expectation for benefactors to provide gifts and monetary benefits to female recipients. The monetary arrangements involved in sugar dating did not follow the "pay-for-play" format that is typically seen with prostitution. Consistent with the general subcultural sugar relationship script, I found that most participants emphasized having some sort of emotional connection and / or genuine liking for their benefactor.

The lives of sugar daters and their benefactors were not usually intertwined, as women typically preferred to keep their sugar relationships separate from their other, more conventional social roles. This stemmed from the general subcultural sugar relationship script that involved the expectation that both parties create and maintain an arrangement that was NSA. This meant that sugar partners were not expected to form committed or monogamous relationships with one another. In fact, most sugar dating relationships were nonmonogamous.

End of link.

So while sugar relationships pretty much default to nonomogamous, the GF / BF ones go the other way. The most common area this rears its ugly head is when a guy founds out his GF has a SD.

Almost all the advice given is to dump the girl when that happens because she is not committed to the guy.

[URL]https://dearwendy.com/the-girl-im-dating-is-on-vacation-with-her-sugar-daddy/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6274530[/URL]

I don't care what you all do. I just think it so funny how you Medellin morons swear up and down you are not sugar daddies when you obviously are.[/QUOTE]Why do you speak of plurals when you're addressing 1 person? "Medellin morons", "when you are all" only apply when talking to more than 1 person. Who are these other people? I seem to be the only 1 posting on the subject. Is this like my fictitious "crew?

There are many people on this board who live in Medellin, or who spend up to 6 months per year there. Are you saying they are all morons? Other than 2017-2018, when I was there for almost 1 year straight, I've never spent more than 5 weeks per year in Medellin. This year, it was less than 2 weeks.

BTW, have you considered using a Thesaurus? The only insult you can come up with is "Medellin morons", and you use it multiple times in practically every post. A lack of creativity and inventiveness is a sure sign of low cognitive function, not that you don't already exhibit dozens of other sure signs.

Instead of pointing out your deficiencies, I'll just ask 1 question, which you will be incapable of answering. I can say this with 100% certainty because I've asked you 100's of questions and you've never been able to answer a single one.

The question is about your last paragraph. To paraphrase, after changing it from the obviously incorrect plural to singular, you say I'm swearing I'm not a sugar daddy when I obviously am a sugar daddy.

I haven't sworn to anything, I think since 1994, when I had to testify in court. I'm not even insisting that I'm not a sugar daddy. I've merely stated that I have a girlfriend.

The question is a simple one.

What is it about my relationship which makes it obvious that it's a sugar daddy, sugar baby relationship?

I'll wait patiently for you to go off in some obscure direction, quote completely unheard of sources and refer to mysterious groups of people without attempting to address the question.

All the sudden, now that the election is getting close, EPM has put all these new plastic garbage containers that look like little dumpsters all over these estrato 1 Barrios.

I've been living here in the barrio for like a year and a half and I have never seen these garbage containers before now (they appeared like 2 weeks ago). It used to be people would just pile their trash bags in designated spots on trash pick up days.

I wonder if it's just a last ditch effort to get more votes for the Upegui campaign as he is the extension of Quintero and the status quo. I say fuck Upegui and Quinteros people for putting up those barriers around botero plaza. Hopefully after Fico Gutierrez wins the election, those stupid barriers will be coming down.

Gabacho, You ignorant punter! (A play off of SNL back in the day).

I'll add you to the dumbest of the dumb mother fuckers list who have zero ability to comprehend English. And I bet you are an original pussy colonizer that has a problem when anyone who does not look like you gets into the game. Elvis is an idiot who posts more in the [B]Stupid shit in Medellin[/B] than actually contributing usable intelligence for the use of others in the Colombia thread.

Proof that you cannot read that well is that I did not advise anyone to use money exchanges over ATMs. I told people not to be penny wise and pound foolish. I don't go to Medellin to find pussy. I do business there. I keep a residence there. So I will defer to you and the other dumbest of the dumb mother fuckers on how to find pussy in Medellin. Honestly I do not need yours or anyone else help. In any city known for prostitution (Medellin, Sosua, Pattaya) I am surprised that individuals need help with the [I]"Where the hos at?" question.[/I]. Because I have been to make successful first time trips to each of these cities successfully without any help from individuals or post off of ISG. So, maybe I don't need to know about Colombia. Maybe I just need to know how to find dem hos. And I know how to do that shit! Do you?

You are free to disagree with me but until you are the administrator of this site the only option you have to not read my posts is to put me on ignore. Goto the FAQ section for further information about that issue.

PUSSY IS PUSSY!

How you like me now?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2860838]Fuertes declaraciones sub-zero. You obviously don't know shit about you are talking about and have demonstratated that in your posts. Just today in the main Medellin thread you advised people to use money exchanges over atms and to not worry if they lose $50 usd because they already paid for their passports and plane tickets.

You're a real piece of work with your stupid ass quotes like "pussy is pussy"and "how you like me now".

Elvis has more expertise about Colombia than you will ever have. So do us all a favor and just stop posting unless if you actually have something valuable to contribute because all the shit talking is just annoying.[/QUOTE]Let me know the next time you are in Medellin. Would enjoy meeting another ISG brother. Let's see if you keep it as real in a face to face meeting as you do hiding behind your keyboard.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2860840]On a somewhat related note, there's some interesting notes in sexual mores of the Native American tribes encountered by the Lewis and Clark Expedition.

Many of the tribes offered their women to the members of the expedition, with the men vying to get the strongest men to have sex with their wives. In particular demand was York, the black slave owned by William Clark.[/QUOTE]Values clearly more in line with biological realities. Stronger genes, stronger offspring, better chance of survival of the group and a child less of burden. All that ownership-monogamy things is relatively modern invention, we evolved living in small groups of nomadic hunter-gatherers (with sex freely shared and used as group boding mechanism) and since the switch to agrarian lifestyle are in constant cultural / internal conflict with our bodies and natural desires. Well in most of the West at least. Lat Am seem to have kept the original relaxed attitude towards monogamy.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2860840]...During a certain time, once per week, they were encouraged to engage in sexual play (without having sex) with each other. [/QUOTE]Interesting considering all the anti masturbation (or 'self-abuse') movement in US at the turn of the century.

One of the leaders, the influential Dr Kellogg advocated circumcision of young boys without anesthetic and the application of acid to the clitorises of young girls, in order to discourage that 'sin'.

"It is important to perform surgery without using any anesthetic so that pain during an operation may affect the mind. ".

If not mistaken he performed several such operations himself. Well, enjoy your cornflakes folks, if you listen closely to the way they crunch you might be able to hear the screams of the children.

On another note, a lot of that repressed Victorian sexuality seems to have been put in their furniture, just look at all of those fancy shiny bulbous curves, lots of sexy sofas and armchairs.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2860847]Why do you speak of plurals when you're addressing 1 person? "Medellin morons", "when you are all" only apply when talking to more than 1 person. Who are these other people? I seem to be the only 1 posting on the subject. Is this like my fictitious "crew?

There are many people on this board who live in Medellin, or who spend up to 6 months per year there. Are you saying they are all morons? Other than 2017-2018, when I was there for almost 1 year straight, I've never spent more than 5 weeks per year in Medellin. This year, it was less than 2 weeks.

BTW, have you considered using a Thesaurus? The only insult you can come up with is "Medellin morons", and you use it multiple times in practically every post. A lack of creativity and inventiveness is a sure sign of low cognitive function, not that you don't already exhibit dozens of other sure signs.

Instead of pointing out your deficiencies, I'll just ask 1 question, which you will be incapable of answering. I can say this with 100% certainty because I've asked you 100's of questions and you've never been able to answer a single one.

The question is about your last paragraph. To paraphrase, after changing it from the obviously incorrect plural to singular, you say I'm swearing I'm not a sugar daddy when I obviously am a sugar daddy.[/QUOTE]I have a question for you. Did you get off after all that mental masturbation?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2860847]I've merely stated that I have a girlfriend.

The question is a simple one.

What is it about my relationship which makes it obvious that it's a sugar daddy, sugar baby relationship?[/QUOTE]Gee, I don't know. Maybe because a professor of sociology has described to the tee exactly what kind of relationship you have.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2860847]I'll wait patiently for you to go off in some obscure direction, quote completely unheard of sources and refer to mysterious groups of people without attempting to address the question.[/QUOTE]And this is what makes you a Medellin moron. I don't like what this professor of sociology says so I am going to demean it.

And being a Medellin moron you ignore all the social market scores that are negative towards you but brag about the ones that fit you. She is 20 and from estrato 4 but I am not going to give her a 1 to 10 score on looks.

And you pretend that you are not causing a decline in her social market value with you actions. When you are done with her or more likely when she sees you for what you are, you will just pretend that her seeing some 60 year old with a "my dick, my way" attitude and fucking hookers on the side does not diminish her in the eyes of other men.

If you imagined yourself as this woman's father as opposed to the sugar daddy you are, what would you think of a man like you going out with your daughter? I can laugh because I know your answer would be that you would be fine with it.

But then again you are the guy who lectured everyone on Covid, got it, did not recognize the symptoms, swore you did not have any even being in a hospital prior to going to Colombia, and then got on a plane to Colombia and spread it all around the country before testing +. But just like having a daughter whose boyfriend is fucking around on her, it was fine. I almost envy your delusion.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2860600]You are the mother fucking bullshitter and you have been polluting this thread by talking a lot of shit and practicing what you preach since I have been posting about Colombia. Men in general are not monogamous nor are girls. In nearly all types of relationships men and girl enter into monogamy is the standard but not the practice. What many men do is practice non-ethical non-monogamy. I practice ethical non-monogamy.

Because you are posting about monogamy in a country where girls except that they are not going to get it from even their husbands. They may not like it but the majority of them make the trade off in order to get the financial security that come with the societal institution of marriage.[/QUOTE]I would be hard pressed to find anyone trying to make themselves look smart and saying things this stupid. You have GFs and are actively fucking hookers on the side and call yourself an "ethical boyfriend".

And then you make this ridiculous comment about Colombian women and monogamy. Obviously, you have not meant any Colombian women who are not hookers nor Colombian fathers who would die before letting their daughters sell themselves for a buck.

Congratulations, you have now exhibited the delusion necessary to be in the Medellin mooron club.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2860969]Gabacho, You ignorant punter! (A play off of SNL back in the day).

I'll add you to the dumbest of the dumb mother fuckers list who have zero ability to comprehend English. And I bet you are an original pussy colonizer that has a problem when anyone who does not look like you gets into the game. Elvis is an idiot who posts more in the [B]Stupid shit in Medellin[/B] than actually contributing usable intelligence for the use of others in the Colombia thread.

Proof that you cannot read that well is that I did not advise anyone to use money exchanges over ATMs. I told people not to be penny wise and pound foolish. I don't go to Medellin to find pussy. I do business there. I keep a residence there. So I will defer to you and the other dumbest of the dumb mother fuckers on how to find pussy in Medellin. Honestly I do not need yours or anyone else help. In any city known for prostitution (Medellin, Sosua, Pattaya) I am surprised that individuals need help with the [I]"Where the hos at?" question.[/I]. Because I have been to make successful first time trips to each of these cities successfully without any help from individuals or post off of ISG. So, maybe I don't need to know about Colombia. Maybe I just need to know how to find dem hos. And I know how to do that shit! Do you?

You are free to disagree with me but until you are the administrator of this site the only option you have to not read my posts is to put me on ignore. Goto the FAQ section for further information about that issue.

PUSSY IS PUSSY!

How you like me now?

Let me know the next time you are in Medellin. Would enjoy meeting another ISG brother. Let's see if you keep it as real in a face to face meeting as you do hiding behind your keyboard.[/QUOTE]I'm in Medellin right now you dumbass. I've been here since August and I'm staying until February. Anyways you talk about English compression but yet you're posting run on sentences, spelling the word "hoes" incorrectly, and repeating the same stupid shit over and over. By the way you don't start a sentence with the word "and" LOL. Also what the fuck is an original pussy colonizer and why do you think I am one?

I'll meet you anytime you want, maybe you got more balls than MiamiBoy and want to meet at Exito Aranjuez?? It not near where I live but it's a half way point between my barrio and Centro. Anyways you're right I'm not an admin, go ahead and post your stupid shit. Atleast it's in the right forum LOL.

Chao loser.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861000]I would be hard pressed to find anyone trying to make themselves look smart and saying things this stupid. You have GFs and are actively fucking hookers on the side and call yourself an "ethical boyfriend".[/QUOTE]I am not lying to the girls I am relationships with. Are you? That is what makes me ethical.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861000]And then you make this ridiculous comment about Colombian women and monogamy. Obviously, you have not meant any Colombian women who are not hookers nor Colombian fathers who would die before letting their daughters sell themselves for a buck..[/QUOTE]Are you trying to tell me that only gringos goto Colombian prostitutes? Don't get regular girls confused with prostitution.

You are the dumbest of the dumb mother fuckers who jumped on my ass right from the beginning about posting about my girlfriend. LOL!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861000]Congratulations, you have now exhibited the delusion necessary to be in the Medellin mooron club.[/QUOTE]Thank you. [B]I would never let a dumb mother fucker such as yourself define who I am and what I do.[/B] Most unfortunate for you.

I sent you a PM. You have my contact direct contact information. And you have failed to contact me. I see that you posted your public travel schedule. No need to do that. Contact me directly and can work you into my busy schedules. No need to keep beating on your chest in the public forum. I have money to make and pussy to fuck. 50 USD is not shit to me. It won't buy me one more minute of life. Sorry to disappoint you.

I do not write to impress you. I do not proofread my posts as I am not being paid by the word to post up in here. I can write the and speak the Kings English when I choose. I don't bother to put my time in to do that for one of the dumbest of the dumb mother fuckers such as yourself.

I post in this section because I like to play verbal tennis with those who wish to rally with me. When having a debate and you have lost, attack the person. You are Elvis are masters at that logical fallacy. Your serve!

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861058]I'm in Medellin right now you dumbass. I've been here since August and I'm staying until February. Anyways you talk about English compression but yet you're posting run on sentences, spelling the word "hoes" incorrectly, and repeating the same stupid shit over and over. By the way you don't start a sentence with the word "and" LOL. Also what the fuck is an original pussy colonizer and why do you think I am one?

I'll meet you anytime you want, maybe you got more balls than MiamiBoy and want to meet at Exito Aranjuez?? It not near where I live but it's a half way point between my barrio and Centro. Anyways you're right I'm not an admin, go ahead and post your stupid shit. Atleast it's in the right forum LOL.

Chao loser.[/QUOTE]

[B]ho[/B] noun: ho; noun plural: hos.

[I]The name for a lady who does put out.[/I] A ***** is the name for a lady who puts out for everyone but you.

"I'd like to take that ho and bend her over".

[URL]https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=for%20hos&page=8[/URL]

[B]hoe[/B] noun: hoe; plural noun: hoes.

[I]a long-handled gardening tool with a thin metal blade, used mainly for weeding and breaking up soil.[/I] "loosen the dry soil with a hoe".

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861058]Also what the fuck is an original pussy colonizer and why do you think I am one?[/QUOTE]Individuals such as yourself. Why? Because you didn't know the difference between a ho and a hoe.

[B]I do. And it is not just because I am a farmer.[/B] Your serve!

You're an idiot, the word is spelt "hoe" and plural is "hoes" look on any fucking rap album tracklist and you would know that.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2861101][B]ho[/B] noun: ho; noun plural: hos.

[I]The name for a lady who does put out.[/I] A ***** is the name for a lady who puts out for everyone but you.

"I'd like to take that ho and bend her over".

[URL]https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=for%20hos&page=8[/URL]

[B]hoe[/B] noun: hoe; plural noun: hoes.

[I]a long-handled gardening tool with a thin metal blade, used mainly for weeding and breaking up soil.[/I] "loosen the dry soil with a hoe".

Individuals such as yourself. Why? Because you didn't know the difference between a ho and a hoe.

[B]I do. And it is not just because I am a farmer.[/B] Your serve![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861080]Look here you dumbass, you really feel the need to talk shit to me about Elvis so bad that you took the time to inbox me and want me to WhatsApp msg you? And if I don't then that means I'm hiding behind my keyboard?? Lmao what you have to be the dumbest Moron on ISG. [b]No one is riding anyone's dick maybe that's just your personal fantasy.[/b][/QUOTE]No my ISG brother. It is not my fantasy. Actually, I had a girl riding my dick cowgirl this morning. So I do not have to have a fantasy of anything sexually.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861058][b]Ill meet you anytime you want[/b], maybe you got more balls than MiamiBoy and want to meet at [u]Exito Aranjuez??[/u] It not near where I live but it's a half way point between my barrio and Centro.[/QUOTE]I sent to a PM to follow up on your invitation to meet you. That is what usually happens in the civilized world. You make direct contact with the person you want to meet and set up a schedule. [B]Or were you just talking shit again and practicing what you preach?[/B].

Names don't impress me about where you live. Tell me the number of what Stratum your residence sits in. Mine sits in a Stratum 3. And it is also where I run my business. (wrote that sentence that way to fuck with you. LOL).

My business is not based on mother fuckers who buy pussy then come up into this thread and attack others doing the same thing like somehow the pussy they buy is better than the pussy everyone else buys. You see those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Or maybe like Elvis you date beauty queens for free? If you do more power to you. I'll stick with regular girls who are more interested in stability than my money.

I am not one to judge one on what they write here. Do you? Elvis does not know who I know and neither do you. I have offered to meet him to have a face to face meeting and he has declined. As you have.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861058]I was busy today[/QUOTE]I was busy today too. And you don't know this but we are on opposite schedules. (Review my posting history for more information on that subject). I was working with my transfer agent. Shopping for groceries; having food with ATF; and then hanging out with her. And still found time to send your a PM and reply to your posts. Because writing is an effortless activity. Mostly because I don't worry about formalities especially in this thread: [B]Stupid Shit in Medellin[/B]. Remember, you are posting here too. So your posts are in the right place also.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861058]So sorry if I didn't have time to private message you or WhatsApp you.[/QUOTE][B]Apology accepted![/B] Ya happy now?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861058]No $50 doesn't make or break me but money is money and it's foolish to waste any amount of money be it $50 or $500 or whatever. Shit I don't even give change to the homeless because you never know when you will need it later for the bus.[/QUOTE]It is more foolish to waste time. Something that we are both doing in these exchanges. Money is worthless. I am not attached to it. I am glad I am not cursed with the character flaws of pathological greed and stinginess.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861058]Anyways you're the one who needs to get off my dick you loser and stay the fuxk out of my inbox.[/QUOTE]I don't mind that you call me names. Been called worse. Since you do not want to get anymore PMs from me nor have you responded to mine, I take that means that you don't want to meet me anymore. Because I still have not been contacted by you after you gave me the invitation.

[B]Which one is it?[/B]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2861189]No my ISG brother. It is not my fantasy. Actually, I had a girl riding my dick cowgirl this morning. So I do not have to have a fantasy of anything sexually.

I sent to a PM to follow up on your invitation to meet you. That is what usually happens in the civilized world. You make direct contact with the person you want to meet and set up a schedule. [B]Or were you just talking shit again and practicing what you preach?[/B].

Names don't impress me about where you live. Tell me the number of what Stratum your residence sits in. Mine sits in a Stratum 3. And it is also where I run my business. (wrote that sentence that way to fuck with you. LOL).

My business is not based on mother fuckers who buy pussy then come up into this thread and attack others doing the same thing like somehow the pussy they buy is better than the pussy everyone else buys. You see those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Or maybe like Elvis you date beauty queens for free? If you do more power to you. I'll stick with regular girls who are more interested in stability than my money.[/QUOTE]I don't think you understand the meaning of the phrase "practicing what you preach" LOL. And your "King's English" is severely lacking and it shows. I see the admin deleted my post. As always it's a one sided battle when I take on you morons and the admin is always against me. I really don't give a fuck tho.

I do t even know why I'm taking the time to write this. I have movies to watch and plans for later on tonight. Also I'm not going to message you so get over it loser. I'm. Not going to meet you either. If you want to call me s keyboard warrior or whatever else you can think of go right ahead. You act like your in 6th grade or something.

Chao loser.

You violated the standard of conduct on the Forum. The administrator is not against you.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861244]I don't think you understand the meaning of the phrase "practicing what you preach" LOL. And your "King's English" is severely lacking and it shows. I see the admin deleted my post. As always it's a one sided battle when I take on you morons and the admin is always against me.[/QUOTE]I do not bother to write the "King's English". I don't need to in this thread. Mostly because it is not important to make sure I am grammatically perfect when writing in this particular section. My days of trying to impress anyone arrived when I built my stack of "go fuck yourself" money to the level I needed it to be.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861244]I do t even know why I'm taking the time to write this. I have movies to watch and plans for later on tonight. Also I'm not going to message you so get over it loser. I'm. Not going to meet you either. If you want to call me s keyboard warrior or whatever else you can think of go right ahead. You act like you're in 6th grade or something.[/QUOTE]Not a problem. It simply makes you a man who does not keep his word. No problem with that. You have shown your character and if you reply again it will show that you have a need to get the last word in. Go ahead. Your serve! What is the expression the man from Texas uses: "All hat, no cattle". [B]ROTFLMAO[/B].

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861244]You act like you're in 6th grade or something.[/QUOTE]No my ISG brother. I was not fucking in 6th grade. But I did get my first kiss that I really remember from a redhead with freckles.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861244] I really don't give a fuck tho.[/QUOTE]On that we have agreement. Now STFU and get on with enjoying your day my ISG brother. That is what I am going to do!

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2861071]I am not lying to the girls I am relationships with. Are you? That is what makes me ethical.[/QUOTE]If you are going to make up what GF means, you can do the same with the words lying and ethical.

The question I have for you and your GFs is what do you think your GFs are telling their friends. If she says that you are loyal to her, she is stupid. If she says you are seeing other women for variety, it means she is no good in bed. No, the best answer for her when talking to her friends is, "I am not stupid. I know he is seeing other women, but I call him BF so I get more money out of him. "

As far as monogamy goes, you are rebelling against the notion that traditionally a sexual relationship meant monogamy, and often that price was marriage. That ship has sailed with me. Among other things, before I commit to one woman, she has to sexually satisfy me constantly. With me, monogamy has to be earned not given.

And if there is a smoking hot, high value woman who is great in bed, she is not going to be out long. Somebody is going to lock that down, and none of you Medellin morons have locked down any of your women, and that speaks volumes about the quality of the "girlfriends" you all have.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2861253]You violated the standard of conduct on the Forum. The administrator is not against you.

I do not bother to write the "King's English". I don't need to in this thread. Mostly because it is not important to make sure I am grammatically perfect when writing in this particular section. My days of trying to impress anyone arrived when I built my stack of "go fuck yourself" money to the level I needed it to be.

Not a problem. It simply makes you a man who does not keep his word. No problem with that. You have shown your character and if you reply again it will show that you have a need to get the last word in. Go ahead. Your serve! What is the expression the man from Texas uses: "All hat, no cattle". [B]ROTFLMAO[/B].

No my ISG brother. I was not fucking in 6th grade. But I did get my first kiss that I really remember from a redhead with freckles.

On that we have agreement. Now STFU and get on with enjoying your day my ISG brother. That is what I am going to do![/QUOTE]I didn't violate anything, the admin clearly deleted my post and he has done so in the past as well, that's how I know it's bullshit. They also made it so my posts don't get posted right away, giving you pricks the upper hand to talk shit to me.

No one said anything about fucking in the 6th grade, what I said is that you act like you are in the 6th grade as in you have the mentality of a child.

No one was flaming you, I simply stated that Elvis has more expertise on Colombia than you ever will, then you got all defensive and started talking shit to me.

I suspect my other post was deleted because you wrote your phone number in the screen shot I was showing where you messaged me crying like a little bitxh, I suppose I should have redacted it.

Also please STFU with all the idioms and old sayings, we can see right thru it that English is your second language in the way that you phrase things.

Anyways I'm calling it a night I got another busy day tomorrow.

Let's just squash this shit.

Gabacho.

[B]Elvis, [/B]

You are not going to move the goal posts with me. You putting moves on me better than a NFL running back and spinning things better than a politician from Texas.

I ask you some very specific questions that you have failed to address. I guess because you don't have the answers to those questions you simply avoided them. But I am going to ask you again.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861000] And then you make this ridiculous comment about Colombian women and monogamy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2861071] Are you trying to tell me that only gringos goto Colombian prostitutes? [/QUOTE]Who uses Colombian Prostitutes more, gringos or Colombian men? What percentage of Colombian men are completely monogamous to their wives? I contend that the expectation of monogamy exists. But the reality of it is non existent. Now if you have some facts to back up your statements I am ready to review them. Otherwise you are just proffering your opinion that I disagree with. Neither one of us is right.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861000] Obviously, you have not meant any Colombian women who are not hookers nor Colombian fathers who would die before letting their daughters sell themselves for a buck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2836685]My current associates in Colombia consist of my business partner and the family of my business partner, our attorney, the doctors who provide me treatment and my girlfriend. I have not spoken with a working girl since I stepped foot in Colombia. Something for which I have received grief from more than one poster in the Colombia portion of the ISG forum.[/QUOTE]What percentage of Colombian men have the means to keep their "daughters off the track" so to speak.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861000]You have GFs and are actively fucking hookers on the side and call yourself an "ethical boyfriend.[/QUOTE]Are you coming into this thread to tell us that you do not "actively fuck hookers"?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2861071] I am not lying to the girls I am relationships with. Are you? That is what makes me ethical.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-ethical-non-monogamy-5176515[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861254]If you are going to make up what GF means, you can do the same with the words lying and ethical.[/QUOTE]Monogamy is a social construct and I have given facts that prove it. It is only your failure to understand this and your willingness to simply state your opinions as if they are facts that prevent you from understanding that the world does not operate through the lens of "Elvis2008". I am not lying and I am being ethical. ENM is as as much of a social construct as is Monogamy. That is a fact.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2860840]Here's something closer to our time. Thanks to a wild uncle who wrote a lot of letters to his girlfriend and later wife (who kept them all), and their storage in what was my bedroom for 9 months, I'm well informed about the practice of swinging dating back to the mid 1950's. More recently, between 1997 and 2010 I was a frequent participant in swinging groups, clubs and parties, with a few different girlfriends.

While it's not publicly acceptable, it's privately quite popular. From small Bible belt towns to big liberal cities, it's going on all the time. Wife swapping, orgies, gang bangs, threesomes and much more, are all happening right around the corner.

[b]Ive met cops, teachers, preachers, lawyers, and people from all types of backgrounds happily exploring alternatives to basic monogamy.[/b] All too often, the people condemning such practices get caught literally with their pants down, doing all the things they preach against.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861254]The question I have for you and your GFs is what do you think your GFs are telling their friends. If she says that you are loyal to her, she is stupid. If she says you are seeing other women for variety, it means she is no good in bed. No, the best answer for her when talking to her friends is, "I am not stupid. I know he is seeing other women, but I call him BF so I get more money out of him[/QUOTE]This paragraph is an interesting exercise in delusional thinking. You are both asking a question and answering it without having spoken to either me or any of my girlfriends. So, I am dismissing it as irrelevant in total. Answer my questions. Then you might get a answer from me. I have made my positions very clear. And I understand that you disagree with me. You are not right. You simply have your own opinions.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861254]As far as monogamy goes, you are rebelling against the notion that traditionally a sexual relationship meant monogamy, and often that price was marriage. That ship has sailed with me. Among other things, before I commit to one woman, she has to sexually satisfy me constantly. With me, monogamy has to be earned not given.[/QUOTE]If this is true why are you not in your home state chilling with the girl of your choice. Tell us why your are posting on ISG in this section if you are such a traditional man? Are you trying to tell us that when you are back in your home state you go without sex until you can fly back to see the girl you are monogamous to and she is pining away for your return?

I am not rebelling against anything. I am thinking for myself. Certain social concepts do not work for me and I do not accept them anymore. Just like rejection of being a wage slave has freed me economically, I have found a social construct that works for me: ENM. It may not work for you or anyone else. But I am not delusional to come on ISG and talk about the benefits or lack of benefits of monogamy. I most certainly, I am not going to run another real man down for how he choses to spend his hard earned money or who he chooses to fuck.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861254]And if there is a smoking hot, high value woman who is great in bed, she is not going to be out long. Somebody is going to lock that down, and none of you Medellin morons have locked down any of your women, and that speaks volumes about the quality of the "girlfriends" you all have.[/QUOTE]Men are smarter now. They are not "locking anything down". Because modern men understand the true nature of girls. They are always looking for a come up. You are only good with them for the length of time they choose. But that is basic in any relationship. It only last as long the two people who are in the relationship say it does. Each person must wake up and make a determination to stay in the relationship for that day. Day after day this occurs. Until the relationship ends or one of the partners dies.

[B]Elvis2008 are you married?[/B] Because if you are not you have not locked down anything. You are only have access to the pussy for as long as the girl you are involved with lets you have access to the pussy. And you have no control when she decides to give access to the pussy to anyone else with or without your knowledge.

Go ahead and make your judgements my ISG Brother. But don't ever think you are better than me or have a better life than me or better girls. Cause you don't. And for that matter you don't have it better than any other brother posting here on ISG. You just think you do. And that is ok. But a real man should not lie to himself or engage in delusion thinking. I make it a point not to do that. And I suggest that others should follow my lead. Think for themselves. Do not accept the judgements of other people. If you have something that you want, work like a mother fucker to get it! Be a man in the arena and pay no attention to critics. They do not count!

[B]The defense rests[/B]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2861374]I contend that the expectation of monogamy exists. But the reality of it is non existent. And for that matter you don't have it better than any other brother posting here on ISG. You just think you do. But a real man should not lie to himself or engage in delusion thinking.[/QUOTE]Then you are not a real man because you are delusional.

If you have a master chef at home, do you have to have variety and go to McDonald's and Burger King? It is not variety you are looking for. It is being sexually satisfied and trusting that you are going to continue to be sexually satisfied.

Female desire tanks in relationships, and it is the rare woman who gets that sexually satisfying her man is a requirement for her to be GF / wife material. For me, monogamy is not a social construct but something a woman has to earn. Part of earning my monogamy is sexually satisfying me.

It is not a crime to say you want variety in an ocean of short order cooks. I get how bad it is out there.

But you are saying it is your desire for variety versus their underperformance that is the issue. By having multiple women, you are letting women off the hook. IOW, you are simping.

You all are giving the title of master chef to a bunch of short order cooks.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861254]If she says you are seeing other women for variety, it means she is no good in bed.[/QUOTE]You never get tired of saying dumb shit huh? I love these tomahawk steaks, so according to you I should never want to eat lasagna, chicken, ribs, or hot dogs ever again. I should only have tomahawks in my freezer and when I go out to eat I should only order tomahawks. I love sipping on this Louis 13, so according to you I should just want to throw everything else on my bar in the garbage. Fuck this Jack Daniels; fuck this Old Parr.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2861374][B]Elvis, [/B]

You are not going to move the goal posts with me. You putting moves on me better than a NFL running back and spinning things better than a politician from Texas.

I ask you some very specific questions that you have failed to address. I guess because you don't have the answers to those questions you simply avoided them. But I am going to ask you again.



Who uses Colombian Prostitutes more, gringos or Colombian men? What percentage of Colombian men are completely monogamous to their wives? I contend that the expectation of monogamy exists. But the reality of it is non existent. Now if you have some facts to back up your statements I am ready to review them. Otherwise you are just proffering your opinion that I disagree with. Neither one of us is right.



What percentage of Colombian men have the means to keep their "daughters off the track" so to speak.

Are you coming into this thread to tell us that you do not "actively fuck hookers"?

[URL]https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-ethical-non-monogamy-5176515[/URL]

Monogamy is a social construct and I have given facts that prove it. It is only your failure to understand this and your willingness to simply state your opinions as if they are facts that prevent you from understanding that the world does not operate through the lens of "Elvis2008". I am not lying and I am being ethical. ENM is as as much of a social construct as is Monogamy. That is a fact.



This paragraph is an interesting exercise in delusional thinking. You are both asking a question and answering it without having spoken to either me or any of my girlfriends. So, I am dismissing it as irrelevant in total. Answer my questions. Then you might get a answer from me. I have made my positions very clear. And I understand that you disagree with me. You are not right. You simply have your own opinions.

If this is true why are you not in your home state chilling with the girl of your choice. Tell us why your are posting on ISG in this section if you are such a traditional man? Are you trying to tell us that when you are back in your home state you go without sex until you can fly back to see the girl you are monogamous to and she is pining away for your return?

I am not rebelling against anything. I am thinking for myself. Certain social concepts do not work for me and I do not accept them anymore. Just like rejection of being a wage slave has freed me economically, I have found a social construct that works for me: ENM. It may not work for you or anyone else. But I am not delusional to come on ISG and talk about the benefits or lack of benefits of monogamy. I most certainly, I am not going to run another real man down for how he choses to spend his hard earned money or who he chooses to fuck.

Men are smarter now. They are not "locking anything down". Because modern men understand the true nature of girls. They are always looking for a come up. You are only good with them for the length of time they choose. But that is basic in any relationship. It only last as long the two people who are in the relationship say it does. Each person must wake up and make a determination to stay in the relationship for that day. Day after day this occurs. Until the relationship ends or one of the partners dies.

[B]Elvis2008 are you married?[/B] Because if you are not you have not locked down anything. You are only have access to the pussy for as long as the girl you are involved with lets you have access to the pussy. And you have no control when she decides to give access to the pussy to anyone else with or without your knowledge.

Go ahead and make your judgements my ISG Brother. But don't ever think you are better than me or have a better life than me or better girls. Cause you don't. And for that matter you don't have it better than any other brother posting here on ISG. You just think you do. And that is ok. But a real man should not lie to himself or engage in delusion thinking. I make it a point not to do that. And I suggest that others should follow my lead. Think for themselves. Do not accept the judgements of other people. If you have something that you want, work like a mother fucker to get it! Be a man in the arena and pay no attention to critics. They do not count!

[B]The defense rests[/B][/QUOTE]Here you go again talking shit. Talking shit is in fact what you do best. Perhaps you ought to change your name to ShitCmdr LOL since that is all you do is command shit.

Oh and if you are from the Dominican Republic why do you have a Las Vegas phone number señor ShitCmdr??

I think you are full of shit.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861446]Then you are not a real man because you are delusional.[/QUOTE]Only in your mind. And you have a problem with reading comprehension and the definition of an opinion.

[B]Opinion:[/B] a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

So since you are giving your opinion, I am going to treat it as such. Because it is not based on fact or knowledge everything you have written in this post is irrelevant and useless. I am actually the real man in this discussion. I do not care how another grown man chooses to run his life. If he want to live in Texas and travel the world looking for pussy and then come onto ISG to lecture us about monogamy that is fine with me. Am I gong to listen or pay any attention to what he has to say, nope. Real mean do not need to make themselves feel better by putting others down and calling names like in grade school. Time and time again you take one paragraph or one line and spin it to mean what you want it to mean without really addressing the issue at hand. Which is every man has the right to live their lives how they choose.

I don't live in one place all the time. I keep multiple residences and multiple countries. I have made my lifestyle choice and you have made yours. You may continue to dislike my lifestyle choices.

And although I don't know you, but I am not seeing through your posts that you are some sort of societal example (the society where you are from) of the way a man should be. Now you might be and it just gets lost in your presentation. And if that is the case then maybe I am the one with reading comprehension problems. But I don't think so.

But most here can see your attacks on others probable originate from some sort of deep trauma that you are still working out. That is ok. I see you lashing out a many in this section and others. As the last 8 out of 10 posts in your history show that you are more interested in stating your opinions than your at giving others hard intelligence about the purpose of this forum.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2861067]What is the purpose of this forum?

[B]"The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women."[/B]

Source: FAQs Topic: General Questions.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861446]If you have a master chef at home, do you have to have variety and go to McDonald's and Burger King? It is not variety you are looking for. It is being sexually satisfied and trusting that you are going to continue to be sexually satisfied.

Female desire tanks in relationships, and it is the rare woman who gets that sexually satisfying her man is a requirement for her to be GF / wife material. For me, monogamy is not a social construct but something a woman has to earn. Part of earning my monogamy is sexually satisfying me.

It is not a crime to say you want variety in an ocean of short order cooks. I get how bad it is out there.

[b]But you are saying it is your desire for variety versus their underperformance that is the issue. By having multiple women, you are letting women off the hook. IOW, you are simping.[/b]

You all are giving the title of master chef to a bunch of short order cooks.[/QUOTE]Reference is made the the bold highlights. You are saying that Elvis. Not me. You are project your opinions and world view onto me. Although we might be from the same country and same state we are as different as two individuals can be. You want to call me names like you did when bullying people in grade school, I am fine with it. As a grown man I do not care. I have been called worse in my country up close and in my face. Although those individuals may or may not have lived to regret it.

Answer my questions Elvis:

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2861374][B]Elvis, [/B]
I have asked you some very specific questions that you have failed to address. I guess because you don't have the answers to those questions you simply avoided them. But I am going to ask you again.

Who uses Colombian Prostitutes more, gringos or Colombian men?
What percentage of Colombian men are completely monogamous to their wives?
Are you coming into this thread to tell us that you do not "actively fuck hookers"
[B]Elvis2008 are you married?[/B]
Because if you are not you have not locked down anything. You are only have access to the pussy for as long as the girl you are involved with lets you have access to the pussy. And you have no control when she decides to give access to the pussy to anyone else with or without your knowledge.[/QUOTE]Your serve!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2861488]You never get tired of saying dumb shit huh?[/QUOTE]And you think this post is smart? You just described your "girlfriend" as nothing special, literally a piece of meat. To be clear, I totally agree with you on that.

If you had a real GF, you would know that she cooks steak like a master chef and if you go out and eat hog dogs, then you are risking never having one of her steaks again.

I am going to quote myself now.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861446]

It is the rare woman who gets that sexually satisfying her man is a requirement for her to be GF / wife material. For me, monogamy is not a social construct but something a woman has to earn. Part of earning my monogamy is sexually satisfying me.

It is not a crime to say you want variety in an ocean of short order cooks.[/QUOTE]Why are you affixing the word "girlfriend" to someone you just described as a nothing special piece of meat?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861720]And you think this post is smart? You just described your "girlfriend" as nothing special, literally a piece of meat. To be clear, I totally agree with you on that.

If you had a real GF, you would know that she cooks steak like a master chef and if you go out and eat hog dogs, then you are risking never having one of her steaks again.

I am going to quote myself now.

Why are you affixing the word "girlfriend" to someone you just described as a nothing special piece of meat?[/QUOTE]What did you expect from someone who thinks pussy is pussy and would fuck anything with a hole? I'm not surprised.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2861488]You never get tired of saying dumb shit huh? I love these tomahawk steaks, so according to you I should never want to eat lasagna, chicken, ribs, or hot dogs ever again. I should only have tomahawks in my freezer and when I go out to eat I should only order tomahawks. I love sipping on this Louis 13, so according to you I should just want to throw everything else on my bar in the garbage. Fuck this Jack Daniels; fuck this Old Parr.[/QUOTE]Your comparison is wrong.

Getting a piece of steak is easy. You just go to a restaurant and order it. Or go to a butcher, buy it and cook it yourself. All you need is some money to pay for it. You can get steak any day of the year, in any place in the world. Anybody can get it, regardless of one's looks, game, etc.

Getting a real girlfriend requires a lot of time, effort, game, money and luck. I'm not talking about your cheap hookers or freebies your are "messing" with. They are not your girlfriends, they are just hookers and fuck buddies. I'm talking about a real GF who is a perfect match, who checks all the boxes, who satisfies you in and out of bedroom and who is your partner in life. It may take years to find one. Some guys never find one in their lifetime. Once you find one, it makes sense to hold on to her, because once you lose her, you many never find someone better or just as good as her. You idiots (jjbee, ShitCommandr) claim to be in relationships, but in reality you don't have girlfriends, because you don't give a fuck about losing them.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861527]Here you go again talking shit. Talking shit is in fact what you do best. Perhaps you ought to change your name to ShitCmdr LOL since that is all you do is command shit.

Oh and if you are from the Dominican Republic why do you have a Las Vegas phone number seor ShitCmdr??

I think you are full of shit.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more. Jjbee used to hold #1 spot on my ISG dumbasses list, but it looks like ShitCmdr is about to replace him.

Not only he talks shit, but also brags. Multiple residences, multiple "girlfriends", businesses, "fuck you money", etc. Portrays himself as an alpha male. Every post is about "real men", "grown men", "man law 101" - wtf is this shit? He got to stop watching Commando / Rambo movies.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2861748]

Getting a real girlfriend requires a lot of time, effort, game, money and luck. I'm not talking about your cheap hookers or freebies your are "messing" with. They are not your girlfriends, they are just hookers and fuck buddies. I'm talking about a real GF who is a perfect match, who checks all the boxes, who satisfies you in and out of bedroom and who is your partner in life. It may take years to find one. Some guys never find one in their lifetime. Once you find one, it makes sense to hold on to her, because once you lose her, you many never find someone better or just as good as her. You idiots (jjbee, ShitCommandr) claim to be in relationships, but in reality you don't have girlfriends, because you don't give a fuck about losing them.[/QUOTE]Then why are you in Colombia fucking prostitutes if you're such an expert on true love?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2861748]Your comparison is wrong.

Getting a piece of steak is easy. You just go to a restaurant and order it. Or go to a butcher, buy it and cook it yourself. All you need is some money to pay for it. You can get steak any day of the year, in any place in the world. Anybody can get it, regardless of one's looks, game, etc.[/QUOTE]LOL. But it is not possible to buy one the same way Elvis is doing in Colombia and before that in Venezuela until she said no amount of money is enough to keep dealing with him?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2861752]Could not agree more. Jjbee used to hold #1 spot on my ISG dumbasses list, but it looks like ShitCmdr is about to replace him. [/QUOTE]I really should not dominate so much of your daily thought processes. Don't you have other things to do other than think about me?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2861752]Not only he talks shit [/QUOTE]No! Please review my informational posts in the other threads.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2861752]but also brags [/QUOTE]No! [I]"It's not bragging if you can back it up."[/I] -Muhammed Ali.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2861752]Multiple residences [/QUOTE]Yes! I use the hub and spoke system as outlined in the Book: "The Nomadic Capitalist".

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2861752]multiple girlfriends [/QUOTE]Yes, real girl friends. One in every country I visit. I reject your opinion of me. [I]My opinion holds no dominion on another man[/I] - Triple Darkness.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2861752]businesses [/QUOTE]Yes! If you own assets that create income that is one way to pay for your expenses in life without having to be a wage slave and sell your time for money. I am not here to give anyone an economic lecture. But it took me decades to understand the economic system and tax code of of my country of origin. And with that knowledge I emancipated myself from economic servitude.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2861752]"fuck you money [/QUOTE]Yes! Built a stack over many years that gives me a reserve to get me though hard times. Built a personal economic system that allows me to pay for the expenses I wish to incur. That is only thing I am concerned with. Taking care of me and my loved ones. I am not trying to impress you. Work hard and long enough like me and you too can emancipate yourself from being a wage slave.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2861752]Portrays himself as an alpha male. [/QUOTE]No my ISG Brother, I am a free man. If that is a "alpha male" in your eyes then so be it. I do not live in fear of loss of a girl because she has pussy I like.

[B]Pussy is Pussy[/B]: This should need no explanation, but what it means is that every girl is irreplaceable. Can a girl be special to you? Of course. But if they were truly irreplaceable we would only be able to pair bond with one girl on the entire earth. And we ALL know that is not true. So, I can have special girls in my life and live without fear of losing them. Because they are replaceable. They have to do the work to say relevant in my life. Because there are a lot more of them than there are of me. And across this earth girls turn 18 everyday. And that represents a new group of replacement for whomever you might be sprung on in the moment.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2861752]Every post is about "real men", "grown men", "man law 101" - wtf is this shit?[/QUOTE]They are my personal ways of living. I have a code and I live by it. Asked and answered. I suggest you live by your own code. And if you do not like reading about mine then please feel free to put me on ignore. Now I understand it is par for the course for those who have lost the intellectual argument with me to engage in Ad Hominem attacks. Then they move on to attack my bonafides. No problem. I do not have anything to prove to anyone else. I am at peace with myself and all others.

[B]Mr E[/B] has met me in person. [B]Triple Darkness[/B] knows I am a real person. [B]Knowledge[/B] has never met me before but he has been providing me with usable intelligence in the Dominican Republic from the moment I started posting there. Ask him if I have actually taken the information he gave me and used it to full effect.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2861754]Then why are you in Colombia fucking prostitutes if you're such an expert on true love?[/QUOTE]Because I'm a single guy and free to do so. You better ask those who claim to be in a relationship / have "girlfriends".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2861770]LOL. But it is not possible to buy one the same way Elvis is doing in Colombia and before that in Venezuela until she said no amount of money is enough to keep dealing with him?[/QUOTE]And you got a divorce. You admitted to being a failure as a father and husband. You run around saying pussy is pussy, I. E. All women are the same, while constantly making yourself out to be better than others. If you say pussy is pussy, and no women is special then you have to admit dick is dick, and you are nothing special.

Unlike you, I didn't lie about there being no pain in a breakup. I got duped by a narcissist and her love bombing. I walked away from that thinking that I would never give away my monogamy again. I would play the field, be friendly with women but not get hurt. My sugar relationships satisfied me. I was happy like that until meeting a woman who blew me away.

But I learned from the pitfalls of the previous relationship. Unlike you, I didn't buy the cynical pussy is pussy and all women are the same line. I was open to the possibility of a special woman.

So yeah, I spend money on my GF, and she is worth it. She never has said no to anything and looks at it as a failure if she does not get me off. I told her to lick my ass once just to see if she would and she did. She looks at keeping her man sexually satisfied as a duty not something to worm out of. That may sound like bragging, but the reality is what my GF does should be what every GF does. If a woman wants monogamy, she should satisfy her man.

So you have a "girlfriend" so sexually lame you have to go elsewhere? And you are so fucking cheap that you spend money on hookers but not your "girlfriend"? And you brag about that? You are out of your mind if you think anyone admires that kind of behavior.

I'm reluctant to engage in a conversation about how other Men choose to live but to put this in internet terms this is Red Pill vs. Black Pilled thinking and based on personal belief systems it makes sense to individuals.

Take the term Girlfriend: To some this means committed Life partner something akin to a wife or someone you'd be willing to make a Lifetime Financial or even physical devotion to. Or to use the internet term Red Pilled thinking meaning to engage with women while being aware of female nature.

When JBeez or Sub Commander or Mr. E uses the Term Girlfriend I don't think they're talking about this (although they can correct me if I'm wrong). When they use the term Girlfriend they mean essentially fuck buddy that they have an emotional attachment to. I. E. Someone they trust enough to sleep over engage in uncovered sex do non sexual things with, But they don't mean that they will put them in their wills The relationship or situationship lasts as long as both parties want it to. Or Black Pilled thinking meaning that women are always looking to trade up in someway for example Jada Pinkett marrying Will Smith because he's rich yet cheating with Tupac on the side.

I'd say anyone who's committed to mongering to the point that you're a senior member on this forum probably doesn't want solely transactional mechanical anonymous sex from women all the time. Men are human beings and we delevop feelings for women. This is Medellin, it's not hard to find Fase Dos or La Isla and have as much sex as you want without commitment. The main reason for this board to suggest stories and strategies to get the sex they want in the way that they want.

Speaking for me personally I reserve the right to take as much time as possible to find the "right woman" and will run through thousands until I find her. I'm not sure I can be monogamous but I can defenitely make a emotional physical and financial comittment to the "right woman"which would include funding beyond the grave. For that I demand absolute loyalty and fidelity and if I can't get that then the vast majority of my money stays with me.

Some guys who have been mongering for a while practice what I call Tricking with extra steps instead of a naked this for that transcation they figure out a way to fund their pussy bills for example Cuba Dave used to get free Pussy from Dominican girls so that he could rate them and recommend them to his followers so his actual pussy bill was Nil. Before that during the special period in Cuba he used to go to thirft stores in america and fuck physicians from the campos in exchange for donated clothes and toiletries.

That's what some guys are doing putting women that they like on retainer like a salaried employee where the per nut costs are low. You go to New Life and you pay as you go you want more time you get more money but if you could find a way to use other people's money to give a favorita say 200 USD per month and you fuck her several times a night for a month straight you have reached the nirvana of negotiated for nookie.

I could go on but I'll stop right here. This forum is appropriately named.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

You jumped up beating on your keyboard and wrote this.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861058]I'll meet you anytime you want, maybe you got more balls than MiamiBoy and want to meet at Exito Aranjuez?? It not near where I live but it's a half way point between my barrio and Centro.[/QUOTE]I then contacted you and gave you my personal contact information via PM in order to arrange a meeting and you made your post that got deleted. In other words I called your bluff. Then you wrote this.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861244]Not going to meet you either. If you want to call me s keyboard warrior or whatever else you can think of go right ahead.[/QUOTE]These back to back quotes say everything anyone needs to know about you up in here.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861527]Here you go again talking shit. Talking shit is in fact what you do best.[/QUOTE]As I re-examen the posts you have written to me, you need to use something to clean your keyboard and your hands of the excrement you produce from your activities. You see, [B]I treat your posts like I would the soiled diaper from a baby.[/B] I fold it very carefully and hold my nose while I walk to a covered trash can and place it within.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861304]I didn't violate anything, the admin clearly deleted my post and he has done so in the past as well, that's how I know it's bullshit. They also made it so my posts don't get posted right away, giving you pricks the upper hand to talk shit to me.

No one said anything about fucking in the 6th grade, what I said is that you act like you are in the 6th grade as in you have the mentality of a child.

No one was flaming you, I simply stated that Elvis has more expertise on Colombia than you ever will, then you got all defensive and started talking shit to me.

I suspect my other post was deleted because you wrote your phone number in the screen shot I was showing where you messaged me crying like a little bitxh, I suppose I should have redacted it.

Also please STFU with all the idioms and old sayings, we can see right thru it that English is your second language in the way that you phrase things.

Anyways I'm calling it a night I got another busy day tomorrow.

Let's just squash this shit.

Gabacho.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2861527]I think you are full of shit.[/QUOTE]Did that make you feel better after you wrote it? I don't understand why so many individuals on ISG are so angry. Calling names. Claiming I am up in here lying on my dick. Small thoughts, produce small words, which produce small actions and then the individual engaging these processes makes themselves small. My suggestion is not to do that. Think Big. Think positive.

[I]Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world theyve been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.[/I] - [B]Muhammad Ali.[/B].

We all should be getting as much sex as we want and we all should be very happy. I know I am. I hit the birth lottery and I have a passport that will take me 185 countries visa free. Anytime I want to go somewhere I just tell them to fuel the jet and I go. I goto google flights and search where I want to go and then pay the provider of jet service their fee for the trip. It really is that simple gentlemen. What could be better?

I write this post sitting on the balcony of my condo (rental) with an ocean view. A sexy girl is chilling on my bed inside of my condo watching videos on TicTok. She just made me my second cup of tea this morning. We enjoyed dinner and a movie last night. I just took a break from writing this and walked over and grabbed her ass and asked her if it was mine. She said yes. Now she is singing in her language. That means she is happy.

She made up my bed this morning. Swept the floor. She is setting up the rice cooker right now and preparing her soup for breakfast. I am going to prepare my breakfast. Because it is very difficult for most to prepare the breakfast that I like as good as I do. We are going to spend the weekend together. Why? Because I am paying her to do all that? No, she is doing it because she wants to be with me. She is my girlfriend. And that is her definition. And we have discussed it.

I write and post to ISG in order to practice my English composition skills and because I like to rally. You know when you have a hitting partner and you just practice your consistency of getting the tennis ball back over the net and in play just one more time. You are not playing a point. And that is what posting in this thread is like for me. Stop replying to my messages and I will stop replying to yours. Especially since you have such a problem with my writing skills. [B]Why don't you put me on ignore?[/B] You have the right to your opinion of me, as does "The man who has left the building", "The Boy from Miami" and many others all over ISG.

[B]Opinion:[/B] a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

[B]My name is Subcmdr[/B] I am at peace with myself and all others. I am the writer and sponsor of this message.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2861748]Your comparison is wrong.

Getting a piece of steak is easy. You just go to a restaurant and order it. Or go to a butcher, buy it and cook it yourself. All you need is some money to pay for it. You can get steak any day of the year, in any place in the world. Anybody can get it, regardless of one's looks, game, etc.

[B]Getting a real girlfriend requires a lot of time, effort, game, money and luck.[/B] I'm not talking about your cheap hookers or freebies your are "messing" with. They are not your girlfriends, they are just hookers and fuck buddies. I'm talking about a real GF who is a perfect match, who checks all the boxes, who satisfies you in and out of bedroom and who is your partner in life. It may take years to find one. Some guys never find one in their lifetime. Once you find one, it makes sense to hold on to her, because once you lose her, you many never find someone better or just as good as her. You idiots (jjbee, ShitCommandr) claim to be in relationships, but in reality you don't have girlfriends, because you don't give a fuck about losing them.[/QUOTE]That might be one of the most clueless things you've ever written.

Getting a real girlfriend, for most men is as easy as getting a properly cooked steak, and costs next to nothing. Most of us have been doing it regularly since early adolescence. Let's examine the depths of your ignorance on the subject.

1. Requires a lot of time. Not at all. I know of several married couples, happily married for over 50 years who became a couple literally within a few hours of meeting. Personally, I've had at least a dozen women who were ready to move in and treat me like a king the morning after I met them.

2. Requires a lot of effort. Not really. Usually just a few hours of talking and listening will get you to the next stage.

3. Requires a lot of game. That is probably the stupidest part. Game is what you use when you're trying to get women to fuck without any type of commitment. Game is how you wake up next to women who you can't even recall their name. Game is the exact opposite of what it takes to get a girlfriend.

4. Requires a lot of money. You're thinking about prostitution. That requires money. If it requires money, you're not getting a girlfriend. At best, you're getting a gold digger, someone who is only with you for your money.

5. Requires a lot of luck. Add another to the stupid list. If luck is required, what use is time, effort, game and money?

There are only 3 requirements to get a "real" girlfriend. First, you have to be able to talk to women. That appears to be your major obstacle. If you can't strike up a conversation, be interesting and get inside her defenses, good luck getting a girlfriend.

Next up is desire. A lot of guys, especially on this forum, have no interest in having a girlfriend. As the saying goes, "why buy the cow when milk is so cheap?

The final secret ingredient is sincerity, the opposite of game. Most women will quickly figure out they are being played. Being sincere about your feelings and your desires is crucial to developing a relationship.

What people who have never had a girlfriend fail to grasp, is that they are easy to replace. Any man who has made his own way in the world, experienced love and loss, doesn't worry about "replacing" a girlfriend. Once again, that's a prostitution thing. It sucks to lose a prostitute who does everything the way you like.

Each girlfriend is unique. She brings her own special blend of qualities to the relationship. That can't be replaced. However, there's no 1 perfect blend. If there was, relationships would immediately become boring. Same shit, different girl.

Am I worried about losing my girlfriend? Not at all. It's part of being a man rather than a pathetic sap who can't get laid without paying cash up front. Losing a girlfriend means a couple of weeks of sport fucking before deciding whether or not I want another girlfriend.

There's really nothing sadder than a grown man crying and begging some girl not to leave him.

[QUOTE=TripleDarknes;2861944]uba Dave used to get free Pussy from Dominican girls so that he could rate them and recommend them to his followers so his actual pussy bill was Nil. Before that during the special period in Cuba he used to go to thirft stores in america and fuck physicians from the campos in exchange for donated clothes and toiletries.[/QUOTE]You do know that fool ended up in prison, right? So maybe not the best example.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2861980]Am I worried about losing my girlfriend? Not at all. It's part of being a man rather than a pathetic sap who can't get laid without paying cash up front.[/QUOTE]That is exactly what you are doing, paying big upfront, and we all know it. LOL Just like you paid big in both time and money getting used up and spit out by the webcam model that never once put out, then told your droopy existence to scat. Yet I just got home from two months in Medellin, 65 different girls, and you are still here trying to convince the same audience that you have a girlfriend. This has been going on what 6 months now? Yes, pathetic sap is most appropriate terminology. Wow LOL.

P.S. You don't have time for a girlfriend other than to get online and send money occasionally. You are too busy typing up novels in stupid shit.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861908]And you got a divorce. You admitted to being a failure as a father and husband. You run around saying pussy is pussy, I. E. All women are the same, while constantly making yourself out to be better than others.[/QUOTE]I got a divorce because I chose to get a divorce. My name is listed as the plaintiff because I did not want to be married anymore. If that is considered a failure then people fail at things sometime. That is life. How did I make myself out to be better than others? If you feel I am better than you then those are your own issues.

Everyone's lifestyle is not the same and one is not better than the other in my eyes. Of course you have expressed your girl and your relationship to be "better than others" notwithstanding that may not even be what someone else wants. I have never encouraged people to go out and be like me, while you have constantly said that if people are not being like you then they are not shit.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861908]If you say pussy is pussy, and no women is special then you have to admit dick is dick, and you are nothing special.[/QUOTE]Of course. I never said dick was not dick. Men are a dime a dozen the same as women are. There are billions of PEOPLE to choose from on the planet. People are not rare.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861908]Unlike you, I didn't lie about there being no pain in a breakup.[/QUOTE]Unlike me? When did I ever say there is no pain in a breakup? Depends on the people. When you get old enough and have enough experience you tend to realize that people come and people go and there is no reason to beat yourself up over it.

But I can understand a guy like you who puts all his eggs in one basket and spends tens of thousands of dollars on a chick to be torn up when all that money you spent can not keep her.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861908]But I learned from the pitfalls of the previous relationship. Unlike you, I didn't buy the cynical pussy is pussy and all women are the same line. I was open to the possibility of a special woman.[/QUOTE]What pitfalls? What is special? Two women can do things identical to how you like them. They can both have the same physical features as well. What makes one special and the other one not special? That special shit is in your head. My French Literature professor once said we choose who we love. I think that is a very valid statement because you can love one person that does things the same as another, but you do not love the other. That was your choice to love that person and consider them special.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861908]So yeah, I spend money on my GF, and she is worth it. She never has said no to anything and looks at it as a failure if she does not get me off. I told her to lick my ass once just to see if she would and she did. She looks at keeping her man sexually satisfied as a duty not something to worm out of.

That may sound like bragging, but the reality is what my GF does should be what every GF does. If a woman wants monogamy, she should satisfy her man.[/QUOTE]Whoaaaa. You had to spend money and ask a chick to lick your ass. Fool, too many women have done that to me without me spending a dime or asking for it. Nothing special.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861908]So you have a "girlfriend" so sexually lame you have to go elsewhere?[/QUOTE]There is the difference. You do what you HAVE to do, while I do what I WANT to do.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2861908]And you are so fucking cheap that you spend money on hookers but not your "girlfriend"? And you brag about that? You are out of your mind if you think anyone admires that kind of behavior.[/QUOTE]If you think of spending money on hookers is a payment of 50,000 pesos to fuck for a few minutes well I guess I do. The most I have ever spent on a hooker is $60. And that was a chick in Thailand for all night. I routinely give them $30 for all night. Not in Brazil, not in Colombia, not in anywhere have I ever spent more than that ON a hooker. I just do not see PUSSY as something I need to pay a bunch of money for.

I spend money WITH my girlfriend. In other words we go out and do nice, and in most cases simple things TOGETHER that they remember the rest of their lives. I do not need to buy them an iPhone or pay their rent or buy scooters for them the way guys like you do. They are with me for me and not because I am spending money.

And when my girlfriends need something they save their own money for it. They don't expect me to be their personal bank.

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1. Requires a lot of time. Not at all. I know of several married couples, happily married for over 50 years who became a couple literally within a few hours of meeting. Personally, I've had at least a dozen women who were ready to move in and treat me like a king the morning after I met them. [/QUOTE]It may take a few years / months and 10's or 100's of dates, or months of back and forth correspondence before you even get to the point of meeting the right person. But if your standards are low and you can date any human with a pussy, then yes, the task becomes less time consuming.

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2. Requires a lot of effort. Not really. Usually just a few hours of talking and listening will get you to the next stage. [/QUOTE]What next stage? We are talking about dating, not just getting laid. Time and effort go hand in hand. Going on multiple dates requires not only time (see p. 1), but effort to do so as well.

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3. Requires a lot of game. That is probably the stupidest part. Game is what you use when you're trying to get women to fuck without any type of commitment. Game is how you wake up next to women who you can't even recall their name. Game is the exact opposite of what it takes to get a girlfriend. [/QUOTE]You have actually defined game later in your post. "If you can't strike up a conversation, be interesting and get inside her defenses". Yes, you have to have some social skills to strike up a conversation. You have to be interesting, fun, intelligent. And you got to overcome any objections she might have. This is all part of game.

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4. Requires a lot of money. You're thinking about prostitution. That requires money. If it requires money, you're not getting a girlfriend. At best, you're getting a gold digger, someone who is only with you for your money.[/QUOTE]I said "money", not "a lot of money". Yes, dumbass, you need to have money, unless your ideal date is dinner at KFC followed by a romantic night at Motel 8. And even KFC is not free. Does your "girlfriend" fly to the USA On her dime? Does she pay when you go out with her? I bet she doesn't. The one spending required money is you.

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5. Requires a lot of luck. Add another to the stupid list. If luck is required, what use is time, effort, game and money?[/QUOTE]You have to be at the right place at the right time. And that is luck. Then everything else comes into play (time, effort, money, etc).

[QUOTE=Huacho;2862081]You do know that fool ended up in prison, right? So maybe not the best example.[/QUOTE][B]You do understand that he beat the rap?[/B] he walked away a free man.

The same type of laws are on the books in Colombia and the Dominican Republic. So don't get it twisted gentlemen.

[URL]https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-ethical-non-monogamy-5176515[/URL]

Ethical non-monogamy (ENM) is the practice of taking part in romantic relationships that are not completely exclusive between two people. What separates ethical non-monogamy from cheating is that no matter what type of ethical non-monogamy you practice in your relationship, both people in the relationship consent to it. With cheating, the partner does not consent. ENM isn't cheating because both you and your partner have agreed in advance that you'll be practicing non-monogamy.

[B]Cheating is what most guys do![/B]

Then individuals who say "no one wants to hear about your girlfriend" come in and start talking about the definition of what one is. I am perfectly comfortable with anyone defining what works for them. But do not step to me and define what I am doing. These are opinions not facts. The are social constructs and not laws.

Below is an example of a very well meaning post. But Triple Darkness has tried to get in to the mind of another man and he is completely wrong in my case.

[QUOTE=TripleDarknes;2861944]I'm reluctant to engage in a conversation about how other Men choose to live but to put this in internet terms this is Red Pill vs. Black Pilled thinking and based on personal belief systems it makes sense to individuals.

Take the term Girlfriend: To some this means committed Life partner something akin to a wife or someone you'd be willing to make a Lifetime Financial or even physical devotion to. Or to use the internet term Red Pilled thinking meaning to engage with women while being aware of female nature.
When JBeez or [b]Sub Commander[/b] or Mr. E uses the Term Girlfriend I don't think they're talking about this (although they can correct me if I'm wrong). When they use the term Girlfriend they mean essentially fuck buddy that they have an emotional attachment to. I. E. Someone they trust enough to sleep over engage in uncovered sex do non sexual things with, But they don't mean that they will put them in their wills The relationship or situationship lasts as long as both parties want it to. Or Black Pilled thinking meaning that women are always looking to trade up in someway for example Jada Pinkett marrying Will Smith because he's rich yet cheating with Tupac on the side.[/QUOTE]I use the term girlfriend to define a girl I see on a regular basis with whom I have an emotional connection to. I am not so full of myself as to think I can enter the mind of another person an know what they are thinking of me. What can I do? I can make judgements about how they treat me. And if they treat me how I wish to be treated I could give a fuck about how another man wants to define my relationship.

No one is going to get anything from my death (if I live long enough to get it right). My plan is to die broke. My last check is going to be to my undertaker and it is going to bounce. My plan is to give generously to my loved ones [U]during[/U] my life. So I can see the pleasure in their eyes, feel the joy of their actions and enjoy my gifts with them. I am so glad I am not cursed with with the sociopathic character flaws of greed and frugality. And very happy to be blessed with enough resources that allow me to care for myself and share with others.

A relationship only lasts for as long as both individuals decide it is going to last. The minute one of the individuals in the relationship wakes up and decides that the relationship is not going to continue, it is over.

My final point is that I agree you cannot buy a girlfriend. But just because you help a girl out with money does not make her a prostitute. That is what professional tricks get confused. They see every girl as a ho. So, if you say, I bought my girl a dress, shoes, hat, or whatever when we were in the mall to get a bite to eat in the food court, they define the girl as being your prostitute. Well I reject that definition. But others are welcome to live by the codes they wish to live by.

[B]Man Law 101[/B]: No grown (real) man is going to tell another grown (real) man how he should be spending his hard earned money or who to fuck.

A man has to have code. - Omar Little, The Wire.

[URL]https://youtu.be/NCrKErEYwJE?si=N9EjG4Lfr47xxr6A[/URL]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2861979]You jumped up beating on your keyboard and wrote this.

I then contacted you and gave you my personal contact information via PM in order to arrange a meeting and you made your post that got deleted. In other words I called your bluff. Then you wrote this.

These back to back quotes say everything anyone needs to know about you up in here.

As I re-examen the posts you have written to me, you need to use something to clean your keyboard and your hands of the excrement you produce from your activities. You see, [B]I treat your posts like I would the soiled diaper from a baby.[/B] I fold it very carefully and hold my nose while I walk to a covered trash can and place it within.



Did that make you feel better after you wrote it? I don't understand why so many individuals on ISG are so angry. Calling names. Claiming I am up in here lying on my dick. Small thoughts, produce small words, which produce small actions and then the individual engaging these processes makes themselves small. My suggestion is not to do that. Think Big. Think positive.

[I]Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world theyve been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.[/I] - [B]Muhammad Ali.[/B].

We all should be getting as much sex as we want and we all should be very happy. I know I am. I hit the birth lottery and I have a passport that will take me 185 countries visa free. Anytime I want to go somewhere I just tell them to fuel the jet and I go. I goto google flights and search where I want to go and then pay the provider of jet service their fee for the trip. It really is that simple gentlemen. What could be better?

I write this post sitting on the balcony of my condo (rental) with an ocean view. A sexy girl is chilling on my bed inside of my condo watching videos on TicTok. She just made me my second cup of tea this morning. We enjoyed dinner and a movie last night. I just took a break from writing this and walked over and grabbed her ass and asked her if it was mine. She said yes. Now she is singing in her language. That means she is happy.

She made up my bed this morning. Swept the floor. She is setting up the rice cooker right now and preparing her soup for breakfast. I am going to prepare my breakfast. Because it is very difficult for most to prepare the breakfast that I like as good as I do. We are going to spend the weekend together. Why? Because I am paying her to do all that? No, she is doing it because she wants to be with me. She is my girlfriend. And that is her definition. And we have discussed it.

I write and post to ISG in order to practice my English composition skills and because I like to rally. You know when you have a hitting partner and you just practice your consistency of getting the tennis ball back over the net and in play just one more time. You are not playing a point. And that is what posting in this thread is like for me. Stop replying to my messages and I will stop replying to yours. Especially since you have such a problem with my writing skills. [B]Why don't you put me on ignore?[/B] You have the right to your opinion of me, as does "The man who has left the building", "The Boy from Miami" and many others all over ISG.

[B]Opinion:[/B] a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

[B]My name is Subcmdr[/B] I am at peace with myself and all others. I am the writer and sponsor of this message.[/QUOTE]Like seriously what the fuck is wrong with you? Are you mentally unstable or something? Feel the need to show off in front of your ISG brothers LOL? To be frank with you, no one here gives a shit about your iPhone or your businesses or residences or your sugar babies. You're obviously looking for acceptance or approval something.

To be frank with you I don't even believe half of what you are saying is even true. You probably don't even own any businesses. I know business owners I have met through my work, even multinational business owners in San Diego / Tijuana who have ties to Hong Kong and the PRC and the last thing they would ever do is get on a hooker forum and blab that they are business owners LOL.

And another thing stop taking my words and twisting them to fit your stupid skewed definitions. I never broke my word. I never agreed to meet you in the first place. What I said is that if be willing to meet you anytime you fucking wanted. But you never told me you wanted to meet me and I never agreed to meet you on any specific day or time or at any specific place.

What happened was you sent me a PM rambling about Elvis and a flame war and this and that and the other (in your broken albeit improving English). Then you left me your Las Vegas phone number telling me to WhatsApp message you to which I declined.

Anyone can ask Elvis too if they don't believe me because I forwarded the PM to him so he could see it. And after reading your PM I determined you were some fucking weirdo and most likely had some ulterior motive as to why you wanted to meet me. So out of safety and security reasons I decided not meet you or message you back. If that makes me a keyboard warrior then so be it. I don't really care what the fuck you think Señor ShitCmdr.

And to be quite frank with you, ShitCmdr, the people of the United States do not want you there. So why don't you do us all a favor and go back to whatever shithole country or rabbit hole you crawled out from?