Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2572073]Lance Armstrong said that running the marathon was more difficult than bicycle climbing.[/QUOTE]But he was full of drugs. Perhaps same as micro. But nonetheless. Will you be doing doping tests before the race?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2572073]Lance Armstrong said that running the marathon was more difficult than bicycle climbing.[/QUOTE]Don't know what it's like at the professional level but I've run one marathon, participated in a 2 week cycle trip across Florida (no mountains), and was a 10 year wrestler, by far (amateur) wrestling was more difficult than the others. Marathoning and cycling were difficult to get started, just a matter of building up endurance and getting past the initial mental toughness hure. Wrestling required more strength, stamina, and skill. Plus you always have the challenge of live competition against other human beings. The others are just passive competitions where the actions of others do not heavily factor into your performance. Like I said, endurance activities like cycling and running are just people trying to stay fit and some attempting to be the best at exercising. Fit but not athletic.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2571952]I forget, who is about to eat crow now since clubs in Switzerland, Austria and Germany are opened? It's not even July yet.[/QUOTE]Oh you mean this guy? He "never said that," remember?

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2531143][b] You can write off 2021. (and probably 2022 as well)[/b]

How many FKK clubs have already declared insolvency after the harassment by police and now the Corona GeStaPo is anyone's guess, and this will only be visible when (or if) the sex clubs reopen again. People here prefer to stick their heads in the sand.

So far, the standard that Germany uses to decide on lockdowns has been the number of infections per 100 k inhabitants over the last 7 days, the so-called "Inzidenzwert. " ('incident value') Is this number above 50 per 100000 then Germany continues to be in a lockdown, event hough locally, this value might be way below 50.

Recent political moves indicate that Merkel (in a very controversial move) now wants to lower this 'Incident Value' to 35, and there are even voices in the media (quoting "scientists" that are on the government's payroll) that are speculating that the number should be reduced to as low as 10.

In German, try running this through Google Translate for those that can't read German: [URL]https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/politik/inland/ziel-inzidenzwert-lockerungen-lockdown-100.html[/URL].

In English: [URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20210212/merkel-proposes-plan-to-gradually-relax-covid-19-restrictions-february[/URL] (notice how the State Media is giving this a positive spin).

[URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20210128/germanys-coronavirus-infection-rate-falls-below-100-for-first-time-since-october[/URL].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2572002]Hills are not mountains, not same altitude, not same sport, not same effort. Peter Sagan is strong in famous Huy wall or Poggio, but he is nothing, his team having to wait for him when he is team leader, in my climbings, in my sport. No sport in gym can compete, because I'm often under intense effort but at more than 2000 meters high and You can ask any sports doctor, this make a huge difference in your body. Good training was when I crossed Girose glacier 3500 meters high between la Grave la Meije and 2 Alps. Not anymore, but when was ratrack lift to join between, I didn't take, I preferred to push for around 2 hours to go and back, intense effort at 3500 high, to make more oxygen in blood and it's so beautiful, making dream my eyes and relaxing my mind. Look forward returning, wish on next Summer. A bit more training than 2 hours pushing in gym, and after this sport, had to free ride down from 3500 to la Grave 1450, through fall them die corridor above Chancel lake. I missed so much on 2 last Winter, maybe falling sick because missing too much in my blood.[/QUOTE]Got it, you're fit and sporty, but only if the gradient is 10 percent and the altitude is overs 2000 meters. Not so fit at sea level I guess. Challenge still out there if you want to put your ego and money where your mouth is.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2572097]Don't know what it's like at the professional level but I've run one marathon, participated in a 2 week cycle trip across Florida (no mountains), and was a 10 year wrestler, by far (amateur) wrestling was more difficult than the others. Marathoning and cycling were difficult to get started, just a matter of building up endurance and getting past the initial mental toughness hure. Wrestling required more strength, stamina, and skill. Plus you always have the challenge of live competition against other human beings. The others are just passive competitions where the actions of others do not heavily factor into your performance. Like I said, endurance activities like cycling and running are just people trying to stay fit and some attempting to be the best at exercising. Fit but not athletic.[/QUOTE]Do a mountain bike event with at least 3000 m of ascent, 40 cm wide single tracks with rocks and roots, hairpin turns in super steep downhills, riding on the edge of cliffs, and believe me you won't find that it's just exercising.

And if you want some competition, take the start of the Roc d'Azur and try to follow the first racers (international level), uphill and downhill.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2572054]Those were the days when humans used to pee out anti inflammatory stuff.

Nowadays after the world hoax organization and the death cult of wannabe doctors have been dabbling in stuff they know nothing about, people have started pissing neurotoxic biochemical waste instead:

[URL]https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.11.425914v1[/URL]

Where will this end?[/QUOTE]Why are you worried about neurotoxicity in tadpoles? Are you one? (BTW that was just a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed. If you want to talk about neurotoxicity, also Coca Cola is neurotoxic to some amphibians. Would you now ban Rum&Coke?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2572081]... Will you be doing doping tests before the race?[/QUOTE]You mean before my marathon at Sharks in my next visit in 2023? If Sharks has doping tests before entry they may find some performance enhancing 'supplements'.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2572073]Lance Armstrong said that running the marathon was more difficult than bicycle climbing.[/QUOTE]Lance Armstrong was fully under dopping, even ordering other racers in his team to also take, putting pressure on others in other teams, but when my climbing are intense effort, but for me, marathon make more traumatisms for feet, ankles, knees.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2572141]Do a mountain bike event with at least 3000 m of ascent, 40 cm wide single tracks with rocks and roots, hairpin turns in super steep downhills, riding on the edge of cliffs, and believe me you won't find that it's just exercising.

And if you want some competition, take the start of the Roc d'Azur and try to follow the first racers (international level), uphill and downhill.[/QUOTE]I know it's not a cake walk. I've done a 50 km day in Colorado before. But to put it up against mat time against collegiate wrestlers or and hour of mat time sparring Judo / Jiu Jitsu, it's a no brainer which one takes more physical ability and toughness.

Reference to best at exercising joke:

[URL]https://youtu.be/De7rbB2bteE&t=22s[/URL]

[QUOTE=RockyV;2572147]Why are you worried about neurotoxicity in tadpoles? Are you one? (BTW that was just a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed. If you want to talk about neurotoxicity, also Coca Cola is neurotoxic to some amphibians. Would you now ban Rum&Coke?[/QUOTE]That's why you don't drink coke every day.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2572127]Got it, you're fit and sporty, but only if the gradient is 10 percent and the altitude is overs 2000 meters. Not so fit at sea level I guess. Challenge still out there if you want to put your ego and money where your mouth is.[/QUOTE]To be fast on flat, you need to make many kilometers when I'm really not interested around Paris, but for steep, light is right as told Colin Chapman, and if you are powerful strong for your weight, then you can manage with a bit of knowledge of technique, furthermore when altitude get higher with less oxygen and more intense effort.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2572188]You mean before my marathon at Sharks in my next visit in 2023? If Sharks has doping tests before entry they may find some performance enhancing 'supplements'.[/QUOTE]Well fucking is definitely a sport. But I thought we were discussing the training before the competitions at the FKKs here. Meaning the cycling race between siri and micro. Maybe you wanted to join them as well?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2571440]Wouldn't surprise me if that fungal infection story from India was purely related to vaccines and had zero to do with covid.[/QUOTE]Yeah seems the covid vaccine is causing psoriasis among other things. Was this what the girl you know got HammerTime? Cause I heard of this extremely hot girl who also now has psoriasis after the covid vaccine. Really horrible how the world hoax organization and the death cultitist ruin people lives like that.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2571994]Come, on live, then you will see the only guy climbing topless with only swim boxer suit up to higher than 2500, 5 degrees on top, when sometimes 30/35 when starting at the bottom. Making breathe my lungs. I don t know what is your strava, but I invited You to follow me on live. I won t lose my time in Koln forest, not sure road narrow tires and blocking pedals are for forest, but for sure I will be on steepest most famous legends, wishing to start on 2 July. Have to run to recover to be ready, but I m so ready in mind. Great Summer to build. Wish You will make yours as great.[/QUOTE]Strava is the app that pretty much every cyclist uses to record their routes, share them with friends and to compare times on different routes. Of course, if you have no friends then you don't share what you do with anybody. The basic app costs nothing, so you can always use it on your phone and then you can show us non believers that you are not just making things up.

Of course I know that the chance that you would share your cycling is zero, since you clearly just make things up in your imaginary world.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2572239]To be fast on flat, you need to make many kilometers when I'm really not interested around Paris, but for steep, light is right as told Colin Chapman, and if you are powerful strong for your weight, then you can manage with a bit of knowledge of technique, furthermore when altitude get higher with less oxygen and more intense effort.[/QUOTE]Ah, I see. You must have everything perfectly fit for you to prove that you are so fit.

Challenge still out there. 31st July anywhere near Cologne or Frankfurt. If you want, we can just race tricycles up a long incline. Show me how sporty you are.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2572241]Well fucking is definitely a sport. But I thought we were discussing the training before the competitions at the FKKs here. Meaning the cycling race between siri and micro. Maybe you wanted to join them as well?[/QUOTE]Better to be subjected to frat boy insults by a man obsessed with my ding dong than to documented third parties confirming that you're ugly as fuck. Darn, you got knocked back down to a 3.0.

(I'll let you know when you drop back in the 2's again.).

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2572249]Strava is the app that pretty much every cyclist uses to record their routes, share them with friends and to compare times on different routes. Of course, if you have no friends then you don't share what you do with anybody. The basic app costs nothing, so you can always use it on your phone and then you can show us non believers that you are not just making things up.

Of course I know that the chance that you would share your cycling is zero, since you clearly just make things up in your imaginary world.[/QUOTE]This is why you must come with me, when nobody could have my knowledge without doing it. My passion is even stronger than money for professionals, when this is my best holidays to climb the most difficult steep. Even Italians who are crazy about Pantani, think I m really crazy to drive through Dolomiti for nearly 5 hours, just for 10,5 kms Zoncolan, the most extreme, with twice a kilometer steeper than 19% on average, just try, nearly 400 meters up in 2 kilometers, heavy motorbikes don't go. Just try on 39/28, when professionals don t climb on this.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2572127]Got it, you're fit and sporty, but only if the gradient is 10 percent and the altitude is overs 2000 meters. Not so fit at sea level I guess. Challenge still out there if you want to put your ego and money where your mouth is.[/QUOTE]Ask any professional racer about my Zoncolan or Mortirolo or Mont Ventoux or Agnel playfields, if these are exercises for old, when professionals need dopping to climb, when I do for my pleasure, even sometimes vomiting, for my holidays. And even a bit weak, but look forward in 10 days. Like if it was for last time, so need to improve record.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2572245]Yeah seems the covid vaccine is causing psoriasis among other things. Was this what the girl you know got HammerTime? Cause I heard of this extremely hot girl who also now has psoriasis after the covid vaccine. Really horrible how the world hoax organization and the death cultitist ruin people lives like that.[/QUOTE]Nope, she had normal skin, never any blemishes or other issues. Now she's covered with a red rash. I hope for her it will go away and it's not related to the vaccine she took about 3 weeks ago.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2572124]Oh you mean this guy? He "never said that," remember?[/QUOTE]May I remind you that last year, many FKK clubs were open as well, with the exception of the big Hessen clubs? Only to be shut down again in September-October.

Apart from closed sex clubs in some German federal states like Hessen, summer last year (2020) was mostly normal in Europe, hardly any border checks, almost no "cases" despite no available "vaccines," no negative test requirements to enter bars and restaurants and gyms, open restaurants, open bars. Again: all without a "vaccine. "

What followed was a horrible winter with a long lockdown starting in October, and which only started to relax a few weeks ago. How can you be so certain that this will not repeat again this year?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2572241]Well fucking is definitely a sport. But I thought we were discussing the training before the competitions at the FKKs here. Meaning the cycling race between siri and micro. Maybe you wanted to join them as well?[/QUOTE]Please call the guy by his real name. I cannot compete with Sirioja and Mursenary, these guys are epic.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2572540]Please call the guy by his real name. I cannot compete with Sirioja and Mursenary, these guys are epic.[/QUOTE]Thanks! But I'm just trying to put an old man in his place.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2572540]Please call the guy by his real name. I cannot compete with Sirioja and Mursenary, these guys are epic.[/QUOTE]Not very epic to be waiting 5 meters from a girl at Sharks, not knowing her name. And when someone who clearly isn't in the mood for a new room walks over to the girl who is waiting in line by the reception, just to ask about her name, this not so epic guy feels threatened. So he jumps over and starts pushing the extrovert guy away from the girl. As to mark his territory (LOL). Also not even considering that starting fighting inside an FKK is firstly very childish, and secondly it usually leads to getting thrown out. At least if the other responds equally.

Thus micro is a just name. Nicknames are only nicknames also.

The country with the highest vaccination rate introduces new measures, and guess what: those measures also count for vaccinated and healed persons!

Here is the article from the very "respected" (read: mainstream) Frankfurter Allgemeine: [URL]https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/beschraenkungen-nach-anstieg-von-corona-faellen-in-israel-17403370.html[/URL].

[QUOTE]Auch Geimpfte oder Genesene sollen künftig in Quarantäne geschickt werden, falls sie Kontakt mit einer Person hatten, die sich mit einer „gefährlichen Variante“ des Coronavirus infiziert hat. Das gilt auch für Kontakte mit Infizierten in Flugzeugen. Bisher sind Geimpfte und Genesene von der Quarantänepflicht befreit.[/QUOTE]My rough translation: 'Also vaccinated and healed patients will be sent into quarantine in the future, should they have been exposed to a person who carries a "dangerous variant" of the Corona virus. The is also true for contact with infected persons in airplanes. Up to now, vaccinated and healed patient haven been freed from the need to quarantine. '.

[URL]https://report24.news/der-corona-zirkus-startet-erneut-israel-verhaengt-massnahmen-auch-fuer-geimpfte/[/URL]

Enjoy listening to to the excuses of Mursenary Ratched, the 'Pied Piper of Hamelin,' who's comforting words ('just take the vaccine and all will be fine again') will take you off the cliff into a never-ending future of lockdowns & vaccines.

As I said before: your status of being "vaccinated" will soon be worthless (thanks to new "mutations") and just like last year, the FKK clubs will close again in autumn. Better enjoy your madmen convention of vaccination apps, tracking apps, masked prostitutes and low line-up quality fast!

Some background info for those not familiar with European folklore and American classic movies;.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurse_Ratched[/URL]

[QUOTE]She has also become a popular metaphor for the corrupting influence of institutional power and authority in bureaucracies such as the psychiatric treatment center in which the novel is set.[/QUOTE][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pied_Piper_of_Hamelin[/URL]

[QUOTE]There are many contradictory theories about the Pied Piper. Some suggest he was a symbol of hope to the people of Hamelin, which had been attacked by plague; he drove the rats from Hamelin, saving the people from the epidemic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2572431]Ask any professional racer about my Zoncolan or Mortirolo or Mont Ventoux or Agnel playfields, if these are exercises for old, when professionals need dopping to climb, when I do for my pleasure, even sometimes vomiting, for my holidays. And even a bit weak, but look forward in 10 days. Like if it was for last time, so need to improve record.[/QUOTE]Then flat riding should be easy breezy for you. Like I said, I'll give you a minute head start for every kg I am heavier.

Still being a pussy that's all talk?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2572549]Not very epic to be waiting 5 meters from a girl at Sharks, not knowing her name. And when someone who clearly isn't in the mood for a new room walks over to the girl who is waiting in line by the reception, just to ask about her name, this not so epic guy feels threatened. So he jumps over and starts pushing the extrovert guy away from the girl. As to mark his territory (LOL). Also not even considering that starting fighting inside an FKK is firstly very childish, and secondly it usually leads to getting thrown out. At least if the other responds equally.

Thus micro is a just name. Nicknames are only nicknames also.[/QUOTE]Well, I already had her name and had just told you that I was about to go to a room with her after she showered. Pretty rude to interrupt and plant seeds of booked future business, giving more negotiating power to a busy girl who was definitely going to try to upsell. Situational awareness and you were a clutz that couldn't understand a simple fact that all seasoned mongers should know. Rude, disrespectful, and fucking with another man's money. All things men should not do.

My nickname for you isn't exactly a nickname. It's actually reflective of reality. Currently 3. 0 with 30 votes. A nice little graphic breaks down those 30 votes. Simply put, it says, Pistons walks into a bar, and 14 of the 30 girls voted him physically unattractive. 13 of 30 gave him pity "okay" votes. 3 of the 30 were either fat or blind.

The fact that just by looking at a picture, 13 of 30 thinks Pistons is "untrustworthy" probably means that he's the type of guy that they think would slip something into their drinks and drag them back into his basement with no windows. Yikes.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2572460]May I remind you that last year, many FKK clubs were open as well, with the exception of the big Hessen clubs? Only to be shut down again in September-October.

Apart from closed sex clubs in some German federal states like Hessen, summer last year (2020) was mostly normal in Europe, hardly any border checks, almost no "cases" despite no available "vaccines," no negative test requirements to enter bars and restaurants and gyms, open restaurants, open bars. Again: all without a "vaccine. "

What followed was a horrible winter with a long lockdown starting in October, and which only started to relax a few weeks ago. How can you be so certain that this will not repeat again this year?[/QUOTE]I'm not certain. Also not certain that lockdowns like last winters will occur and thus did not make premature "the sky is falling claims". That lack of composure is one thing, but the failure to admit one's own errors of prediction afterward when one was a complete asshole up to that point was even more indicative of character.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2572573]As I said before: your status of being "vaccinated" will soon be worthless (thanks to new "mutations") and just like last year, the FKK clubs will close again in autumn. Better enjoy your madmen convention of vaccination apps, tracking apps, masked prostitutes and low line-up quality fast!
[/QUOTE]I see nothing has been learned from past errors and premature predictions persists. It would have taken little effort to have just waited and see how things progress. You know, scientific process. Alas, here we go again.

The new Delta plus variant first seen in Nepal not long ago seems to avoid vaccines to a higher degree than the original delta variant.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2572599]Well, I already had her name and had just told you that I was about to go to a room with her after she showered. Pretty rude to interrupt and plant seeds of booked future business, giving more negotiating power to a busy girl who was definitely going to try to upsell. Situational awareness and you were a clutz that couldn't understand a simple fact that all seasoned mongers should know. Rude, disrespectful, and fucking with another man's money. All things men should not do.[/QUOTE]No you didn't have her name because I asked you if you had her name. Lie 1.

There was no interruption because you were standing 5 meters away twinning you thumbs, and she was waiting in line at reception. My question would take 5 seconds. Lie 2.

She didn't upsell at all. Or are you just too insecure fearing all girls upsell? Plus I know my way well enough to not give them future ideas. Lie 3.

Starting to fight is rude. Freaking out is rude. And situational awareness is something you failed at on an epic level here!

Fucking with another man's money? LOL! As if you own a girl at an FKK you saw for the first time two hours earlier and didn't even know her name! Lie 973! LOL!

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2572460]Apart from closed sex clubs in some German federal states like Hessen, summer last year (2020) was mostly normal in Europe, hardly any border checks, almost no "cases" despite no available "vaccines," no negative test requirements to enter bars and restaurants and gyms, open restaurants, open bars. Again: all without a "vaccine.[/QUOTE]This statement right here doesn't seem to made in good faith. It paints a picture as if everything was mostly normal compared to this summer. As I recall, mask mandates were still in effect. Crowd restrictions were still implemented. Disco's were still closed. I don't recall thousands gathering in futball stadiums like they currently are doing during the Euro Cup. Were there regional folk festivals like they are planning / doing now?

Trying to compare today's European life, post-vaccination restricting lifting against last summer's life seems to be quite disingenuous and can only be reasoned if someone had ulterior motives such was desperately wanting to be right about vaccine effectiveness rather than an actual desire to assess the reality of the situation.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2572641]No you didn't have her name because I asked you if you had her name. Lie 1.

There was no interruption because you were standing 5 meters away twinning you thumbs, and she was waiting in line at reception. My question would take 5 seconds. Lie 2.

She didn't upsell at all. Or are you just too insecure fearing all girls upsell? Plus I know my way well enough to not give them future ideas. Lie 3.

Starting to fight is rude. Freaking out is rude. And situational awareness is something you failed at on an epic level here!

Fucking with another man's money? LOL! As if you own a girl at an FKK you saw for the first time two hours earlier and didn't even know her name! Lie 973! LOL![/QUOTE]Your memory is terrible. Either that or you have an uncanny ability to rewrite history in your own head. No point in arguing here.

But hey look, 34 votes now and you're up to 17 of 34 women (50%) who find you physically repulsive the moment they set eyes on you.

Oh and stop messaging me like a dude without any friends, oh wait.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2572421]This is why you must come with me, when nobody could have my knowledge without doing it. My passion is even stronger than money for professionals, when this is my best holidays to climb the most difficult steep. Even Italians who are crazy about Pantani, think I m really crazy to drive through Dolomiti for nearly 5 hours, just for 10,5 kms Zoncolan, the most extreme, with twice a kilometer steeper than 19% on average, just try, nearly 400 meters up in 2 kilometers, heavy motorbikes don't go. Just try on 39/28, when professionals don t climb on this.[/QUOTE]Really, now you have special knowledge? Ever heard of this thing called the internet? Dude, it's obvious you are making up all this stuff about cycling. How can anybody believe a 50+ old guy who claims he is fitter than Peter Sagan? If you actually cycle these routes, you are doing them at 4 km / h like my grandmother.

You can always prove me wrong by posting Strava activities or files from any app that records GPS. I won't hold my breath waiting for them.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2572348]Ah, I see. You must have everything perfectly fit for you to prove that you are so fit.

Challenge still out there. 31st July anywhere near Cologne or Frankfurt. If you want, we can just race tricycles up a long incline. Show me how sporty you are.[/QUOTE]If you go to Wellcum, don't miss Zoncolan. Other sport than in German woods. Today, my first holidays day since October, I brought my bicycle for service and saw a Scott KTM with disks brakes and electric gears, so I asked: does it climb on its own? Guy who is able to know what I do from how my bicycle is used, just smiled, when I told him I want to improve in Loze with 23%. Now I know.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2572676]Oh and stop messaging me like a dude without any friends, oh wait.[/QUOTE]Stop looking at my old profile picture. In return I just send you covid vaccine infected hot women who are damaged for life due to incredible amounts of idiocy!

[URL]https://www.adrreports.eu/en/search_subst.html[/URL]#.

Look at the covid vaccines: closing up on 1 million severe long term side effects if taking into account the gender gap in reporting in. And that is just within EU (after brexit)! And we also see that 80 or 90% of side effects only comes after the 2nd shot. Had a 2nd link on that awhile ago I will see if I can find again. And younger people are more in danger of many of these side effects than the older generation due to how it fucks up the immune system. So far older people are in majority of the already vaccinated. And the Pfizer vaccine is not much safer than the AZ! In USA the Moderna vaccine is considered to have even more side effects than Pfizer.

This is a horror story enfolding. And of course, the victims are hiding it as well as they can. Doctors or nurses injecting people alongside the hoax lying draconic media and different health organizations should be put in jail. It is silver coins and hitman money these people are receiving from the devil himself.

Stop killing people!

[URL]https://youtu.be/JXXbIF5Okjc[/URL]

This video is showing how obedient slaves to authority don't think for themselves, but act like drones. Just like unconscious AI. I believe we have at least one, if not more of these drones here on ISG.

[URL]https://youtu.be/rdrKCilEhC0[/URL]

And here you have a full documentary on the Milgram experiments.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2572705]Stop looking at my old profile picture. In return I just send you covid vaccine infected hot women who are damaged for life due to incredible amounts of idiocy!

[URL]https://www.adrreports.eu/en/search_subst.html[/URL]#.

Look at the covid vaccines: closing up on 1 million severe long term side effects if taking into account the gender gap in reporting in. And that is just within EU (after brexit)! And we also see that 80 or 90% of side effects only comes after the 2nd shot. Had a 2nd link on that awhile ago I will see if I can find again. And younger people are more in danger of many of these side effects than the older generation due to how it fucks up the immune system. So far older people are in majority of the already vaccinated. And the Pfizer vaccine is not much safer than the AZ! In USA the Moderna vaccine is considered to have even more side effects than Pfizer.

This is a horror story enfolding. And of course, the victims are hiding it as well as they can. Doctors or nurses injecting people alongside the hoax lying draconic media and different health organizations should be put in jail. It is silver coins and hitman money these people are receiving from the devil himself.

Stop killing people![/QUOTE]Uh oh, now we're up to 19 of 37 women who find you physically repulsive and 17 of 37 wouldn't trust you to not slip something in their drink.

Over 50% of women think you're ugly. Imagine if I had changed the filter to only include women ages 25-35. Yikes.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2572690]If you go to Wellcum, don't miss Zoncolan. Other sport than in German woods. Today, my first holidays day since October, I brought my bicycle for service and saw a Scott KTM with disks brakes and electric gears, so I asked: does it climb on its own? Guy who is able to know what I do from how my bicycle is used, just smiled, when I told him I want to improve in Loze with 23%. Now I know.[/QUOTE]Scott is one bicycle brand, KTM is another brand. No such thing as a Scott KTM.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2572710][URL]https://youtu.be/JXXbIF5Okjc[/URL]

This video is showing how obedient slaves to authority don't think for themselves, but act like drones. Just like unconscious AI. I believe we have at least one, if not more of these drones here on ISG.[/QUOTE]In your attempt to belittle me and quench your thirst to be respected for having some privileged insight or intellect, you posted an experiment that every university student studies in their intro psychology class at the wise age of 19, an experiment that is reintroduced to all American medical students to reinforce the need to consider medical ethics when we healthcare providers are thrown into positions of power over others.

It would have been a nice thought in questioning authoritorial obedience in the face of morality if it weren't for the fact that it was posted with malicious intent to malign an individual, an entire group of people, and probably an entire profession. It would have held more merit if it came from a complete human with actual meaningful connections to other humans. Alas, it was posted by someone who actually has no concern for the human race, just some goofy SIMP looking for social approval. Could have at least posted the Stanford Prison Experiment as to save the rest of us from a cliche lesson anyone under the age of 40 learned in high school.

Ugly, Untrustworthy, and not all that smart. Work on 1 at a time. Attractiveness might be a lost cause, but 2 out of three is a respectable goal.

Sit down. You're out of your league.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2572741]Uh oh, now we're up to 19 of 37 women who find you physically repulsive and 17 of 37 wouldn't trust you to not slip something in their drink.

Over 50% of women think you're ugly. Imagine if I had changed the filter to only include women ages 25-35. Yikes.[/QUOTE]Probably my nearly black and white old webcam picture where I look as if 18 years old doesn't interest the old crowd of women aged 30+.

I am perfectly satisfied with my looks. Not the least with the size of my gun. The most important thing according to most women!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2572507]Yes, India variant await you LOL! And now Delta plus LOL!

The naming sense for this virus is becoming as good as in the Hollywood movies LOL![/QUOTE]Just wait for the Omicron Persei 8 mutation.

I do have one confession to make though. The Satan industry can be innovative. Though that is mainly a trait held by its leading engineers.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2572690]If you go to Wellcum, don't miss Zoncolan. Other sport than in German woods. Today, my first holidays day since October, I brought my bicycle for service and saw a Scott KTM with disks brakes and electric gears, so I asked: does it climb on its own? Guy who is able to know what I do from how my bicycle is used, just smiled, when I told him I want to improve in Loze with 23%. Now I know.[/QUOTE]Okay okay. I'm in Europe every year first week of October.

I'll race you in Zoncolan if you accept. Loser pays entry into Welcum plus a one hour room.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2572683]Really, now you have special knowledge? Ever heard of this thing called the internet? Dude, it's obvious you are making up all this stuff about cycling. How can anybody believe a 50+ old guy who claims he is fitter than Peter Sagan? If you actually cycle these routes, you are doing them at 4 km / h like my grandmother.

You can always prove me wrong by posting Strava activities or files from any app that records GPS. I won't hold my breath waiting for them.[/QUOTE]Try to find on internet all what I wrote about my passion, good luck, and same for free ride. When light is right for climbing, and Sagan is nothing on my steep climbing's, if he didn't compete for green jacket and Champs Elysees, he would give up when others have to wait for him. I really don t need to prove You I don t even know, anything and You are fully free to read me or not, but You keep on reading me as a new follower when I had already enough. If I didn't think I can still try to improve my times, then I would not have motivation to start, even I was so happy to see my mountains yesterday, with cows and dogs, sheeps and a small animal. My bicycle marks seem to talk for what I do. Live is much better than video. I should climb on Aosta side in July and on Swiss side which is more steep on top on August, but if I climb at 4 or even 5 km / h, then I will give after only few meters, not to lose my time.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2572549]Not very epic to be waiting 5 meters from a girl at Sharks, not knowing her name. And when someone who clearly isn't in the mood for a new room walks over to the girl who is waiting in line by the reception, just to ask about her name, this not so epic guy feels threatened. So he jumps over and starts pushing the extrovert guy away from the girl. As to mark his territory (LOL). Also not even considering that starting fighting inside an FKK is firstly very childish, and secondly it usually leads to getting thrown out. At least if the other responds equally.....[/QUOTE]Now you are the one talking sex when I was talking sport.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2572831]I really don t need to prove [/QUOTE]Oh, but you crave approval, that is why you keep posting all this BS about cycling. Your problem is that I am calling your BS and I will keep calling your BS.

As always you could so easily prove me wrong with a Strava file. Now what could be the possible reason you don't prove me wrong? Maybe because you know the truth yourself, that you are a fraud?

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2572754]Scott is one bicycle brand, KTM is another brand. No such thing as a Scott KTM.[/QUOTE]Scott is Swiss and KTM is Austrian. To my knowledge they don't belong to the same group at all.

On the other hand, Lapierre is totally owned by the accell group who also owns Batavus, brand of Dutch city bikes. So they share the same genes: cheap and made in East Asia.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2572820]Okay okay. I'm in Europe every year first week of October.[/QUOTE]Great timing, just in time for the next round of lockdowns! LOL!

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57594954[/URL]

[QUOTE]German Chancellor Angela Merkel has warned that Europe is "on thin ice" as the Delta variant of Covid spreads on the continent.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]On Wednesday Mrs Merkel called for a more co-ordinated EU response [b]and said all member states should quarantine arrivals from the UK considering the dangers of the spread of Delta.
[/b][/QUOTE][URL]https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/finance/news/delta-variant-dominant-germany-summer-081125237.html?guccounter=1[/URL]

[QUOTE][b]"The Delta variant will have the upper hand over the summer, it's more a matter of weeks than months," Spahn told a news conference,[/b] adding the variant currently makes up more than 15% of coronavirus cases reported in Germany.[/QUOTE]Good luck visiting FKKs in autumn!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2572921]I will not visit FKKs if:

(1) I have to give my name and other personal information at the front desk;

(2) I have to wear a mask anywhere in the club;

(3) I have to get a covid test before I am allowed entry;

(4) I am restricted to 3 or 4 hours only in the club.

I will time my return for when none of the above are required.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MoneySign;2572937]I second that. It's a non starter for me as well. I would add point #5 to your list as shown below.

(5) I have to be vaccinated or show a proof that I'm vaccinated.

What's the fun and how free would one feel to go there (not just FKK but also the country of Germany and Europe as a whole) if we are restricted by those requirements in a free society. It's so sad that people blindly obey rules that don't make much sense. I can't possibly fathom that the younger dudes are still afraid or paranoid about this whole Covid episode and constantly have the Covid thing on their mind! My good Lord![/QUOTE]I agree and I see things very similarly, but I'm willing to be a bit more flexible and bend my principles simply because with all the fear mongering about the "Delta Plus Variation," I'm afraid that the FKK openings will be very short-lived. All this is entirely expected, as I predicted since many months. One has to cast the iron when it's hot, and I think the best time to visit an FKK will be in a few weeks because I recon that it will take some time for the line ups to get to a decent level.

If the line ups are good, then I might go if I'm in the area. I'm lucky because I live relatively nearby (3,5 hours drive to the Frankfurt area) so I can decide at the last moment, and I do not need hotels and flight reservations. If I needed to do all those logistical things + taking vacation days, I probably wouldn't bother.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2572954]I don't blame you. However:

1. personal information is deleted within 10 days, it's illegal for them to pass it on to anyone else.[/QUOTE]You just got to love the naivety of some people, haha!

So far, most of the things the German government has done have been totally illegal and unconstitutional so retroactively laws needed to be changed and new laws passed to make it 'legal,' and even those new laws (like the 'Emergency Brake law) are highly controversial.

The president of Germany's Federal Constitutional Court in Karlsruhe is a Merkel appointee and party member of the CDU, Stephan Harbarth. However, instead of protecting the German constitution, Harbarth has been very busy protecting Merkel's totalitarian ideas by dismissing, delaying and frustrating any appeals to the overturn Merkel's Emergency Brake law that came into effect in April 2021;.

[URL]https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/corona-notbremse-111-verfahren-beim-verfassungsgericht-eingegangen-17314930.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.inkompetenz-center.de/bundesverfassungsgericht-entscheidungen/[/URL]

[URL]https://snanews.de/20210528/blockierter-corona-eilantrag-2285515.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/bverfg-corona-notbremse-eilantraege-101.html[/URL]

This is how things roll in fascist Germany, just like in the 1930's and in the DDR: "Legal? Illegal? Scheissegal!" ('Legal? Illegal? Who gives a give a shit!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2572789]Probably my nearly black and white old webcam picture where I look as if 18 years old doesn't interest the old crowd of women aged 30+.

I am perfectly satisfied with my looks. Not the least with the size of my gun. The most important thing according to most women![/QUOTE]Uh oh. Dropped down to 22 of 41 who think you're repulsive.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2572914]Now you are the one talking sex when I was talking sport.[/QUOTE]Oh, but in that case neither of us has any idea regarding any of these two guys. Only thing we know is that type certain words on a computer and hit upload report.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2572765], an experiment that is reintroduced to all American medical students to reinforce the need to consider medical ethics when we healthcare providers are thrown into positions of power over others.[/QUOTE]So you have heard of it. I believe this study is part of perhaps over 50% of all University degrees. Yes you do not understand its message. Because you keep acting like a brainwashed sheep and argue for things in which you do not understand the consequences of. Like vaccines. Who kills just the same way electric shock kills.

Reading never means understanding. Unfortunately understanding is very rarely well documented.

According to Plato, knowledge is not a way to measure intelligence. Philosophy is.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2555696]The alien declassification (or lie) by the world governments would make a lot of sense on many levels right before the end of this pandemic. Or even now this summer.

Even more so if the story regarding aliens would be a complete hoax in order to shift blame, unite, or shift focus. Either or more of which.

A lot of things are leading up to this. Among others that Israeli general who talked about the galactic federation a few months ago. And before the decade is over, we might have so many people chipped in one particular city that it will be able to manipulate them into seeing fake alien holograms.

For one, the theological scam won't work without aliens going forward either, as any smart person will know about religious history. And so it leads back to the Sumerians and Egyptians or even the Hindu legends where there were no gods. They all talked about some sort of alien beings coming down in space ships pretty much.

In either case, the brainwashed will continue being brainwashed also after covid-19. And especially the wannabes here on ISG.[/QUOTE]Whoopsideysi.

[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/25/politics/ufo-report-pentagon-odni/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2572990]Oh, but you crave approval, that is why you keep posting all this BS about cycling. Your problem is that I am calling your BS and I will keep calling your BS.

As always you could so easily prove me wrong with a Strava file. Now what could be the possible reason you don't prove me wrong? Maybe because you know the truth yourself, that you are a fraud?[/QUOTE]And I just don t care about your only one more follower bullshits like many others, when I know I will climb Swiss Gran San Bernardino once more, but You won t. I will wait for You if You want to see me climbing topless, easy to find me.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2572990]Oh, but you crave approval, that is why you keep posting all this BS about cycling. Your problem is that I am calling your BS and I will keep calling your BS.

As always you could so easily prove me wrong with a Strava file. Now what could be the possible reason you don't prove me wrong? Maybe because you know the truth yourself, that you are a fraud?[/QUOTE]And I just don't care about your only one more follower bullshits like many others, when I know I will climb Swiss Gran San Bernardino once more on this Summer, but you won't. I will wait for you if you want to see me climbing topless, easy to notice me.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2572820]Okay okay. I'm in Europe every year first week of October.

I'll race you in Zoncolan if you accept. Loser pays entry into Welcum plus a one hour room.[/QUOTE]I thought You came on end of July / August?

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2572754]Scott is one bicycle brand, KTM is another brand. No such thing as a Scott KTM.[/QUOTE]Brand Scott whose boss is US and came to Verbier. Ch for image of free ride for business. Skis factory being above Aosta. It on the other side of Gran San Bernardino where I will wait for You on Swiss side. I m pretty sure model is KTM, nothing about brand. I joked asking if such expensive bicycle would climb alone, when I m fully sure Pogacar on my French made Lapierre will always be far before Sagan on the most high tech but without engine, real bicycle, when the guy is more important than bicycle on my steep climbings Sagan doesn't like.

Having a healthy strong good sized cock at just below 20 cm is the most important thing in life. That was something my dad lectured me in from I was very young.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2573030]Great timing, just in time for the next round of lockdowns! LOL!

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57594954[/URL]

[URL]https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/finance/news/delta-variant-dominant-germany-summer-081125237.html?guccounter=1[/URL]

Good luck visiting FKKs in autumn![/QUOTE]Thanks. Plenty of things to do if brothels close down again. No point screaming through the town square telling everyone that the sky is falling when no one knows what will happen.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2573171]So you have heard of it. I believe this study is part of perhaps over 50% of all University degrees. Yes you do not understand its message. Because you keep acting like a brainwashed sheep and argue for things in which you do not understand the consequences of. Like vaccines. Who kills just the same way electric shock kills.

Reading never means understanding. Unfortunately understanding is very rarely well documented.

According to Plato, knowledge is not a way to measure intelligence. Philosophy is.[/QUOTE]The millions of people who never contracted Polio or Smallpox disagree with you.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2573312]I thought You came on end of July / August?[/QUOTE]You thought correct. And again in October. And probably again in the winter. And again in the spring. And so on and so on.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2573323]Brand Scott whose boss is US and came to Verbier. Ch for image of free ride for business. Skis factory being above Aosta. It on the other side of Gran San Bernardino where I will wait for You on Swiss side. I m pretty sure model is KTM, nothing about brand. I joked asking if such expensive bicycle would climb alone, when I m fully sure Pogacar on my French made Lapierre will always be far before Sagan on the most high tech but without engine, real bicycle, when the guy is more important than bicycle on my steep climbings Sagan doesn't like.[/QUOTE]As usual, you are wrong. There is no such thing as a Scott, model KTM.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2573298]And I just don t care about your only one more follower bullshits like many others, when I know I will climb Swiss Gran San Bernardino once more, but You won t. I will wait for You if You want to see me climbing topless, easy to find me.[/QUOTE]Keep on living in phantasy land or how you call it, land of bullshits.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2573323]Brand Scott whose boss is US and came to Verbier. Ch for image of free ride for business. Skis factory being above Aosta. It on the other side of Gran San Bernardino where I will wait for You on Swiss side. I m pretty sure model is KTM, nothing about brand. I joked asking if such expensive bicycle would climb alone, when I m fully sure Pogacar on my French made Lapierre will always be far before Sagan on the most high tech but without engine, real bicycle, when the guy is more important than bicycle on my steep climbings Sagan doesn't like.[/QUOTE]Sure, Pogacar is a better climber than Sagan. It's just that you are no Pogacar. At best you have 25% of Pogacars power.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2573401]You thought correct. And again in October. And probably again in the winter. And again in the spring. And so on and so on.[/QUOTE]I don't care about your schedule, I'm not a follower of yours. Just, when Zoncolan is not so close to Paris, I prefer on August for my holidays and after painful balls rush, even casting seem to be really not exceptional, Wellcum should be at least on same level on August than October.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2573327]Having a healthy strong good sized cock at just below 20 cm is the most important thing in life. That was something my dad lectured me in from I was very young.[/QUOTE]But having big brain is even better.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2573510]Sure, Pogacar is a better climber than Sagan. It's just that you are no Pogacar. At best you have 25% of Pogacars power.[/QUOTE]I never claimed to be faster than Pantani in Alp Huez, he still gets record, but I was really proud when I saw famous, 3 times World champion Sagan speed on top of Loze, most steep part, when I climbed as a real tourist, without even looking at profile because I didn't plan but was told and told about. But on this Summer, I will return to perform faster than him on 2020 famous tour de France when he didn't want to be out of time, to be allowed to see Champs Elysees and to compete for green suit, so only about less than 40 mn delay allowed when he was already far behind at the bottom after la Madeleine. On Alp Huez, I always aimed to be at least 50% of Pantani who was a better climber than Pogacar or Roglic, and not with same bicycle, but my bicycle is enough for me and Pogacar on it will be much faster in Loze or Zoncolan than Sagan on high tech carbon light.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2573171]
Reading never means understanding. Unfortunately understanding is very rarely well documented.[/QUOTE]That's why you understood 'paracetamol comes from tree bark' when you read just the opposite?

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2573504]As usual, you are wrong. There is no such thing as a Scott, model KTM.[/QUOTE]My beloved french made bicycle as written on it, Summer friend I sleep with in car, even we sometimes both smell bad, from sweat and when cows shit on tire, is already ready to perform as I was sent, so I will go on next week end to get it and wish to start, to wake up and open my lungs, in highest ranked Iseran, not so bad for starting, with funny donkeys looking at me climbing topless. I will take photo of this expensive bicycle which should be able to climb alone, like some cars can now drive alone, when my French Lapierre need I m able to turn my legs, for nearly 4 hours for 2 sides of Mont Ventoux, for more than 3000 meters climbing for my final on end of season. But not from easy Sault they will climb on 2021 famous tour de France, when we all know, all those who ever climbed, did You ever? Much more difficult from Malaucene than Sault. But from Malaucene or Bedoin are less difficult than number 1 Zoncolan according to all racers and in top 3 Mortirolo, when Spanish Andiju with gravels may be number 2. Did You ever try one of them, just to feel effort in your body and mind? A bit more sporty than fucking girls and help to be very hard.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2572789]Probably my nearly black and white old webcam picture where I look as if 18 years old doesn't interest the old crowd of women aged 30+.

I am perfectly satisfied with my looks. Not the least with the size of my gun. The most important thing according to most women![/QUOTE]From:

1. "Website is AI".

2. "Men vote".

3. "Just 30+, old women".

4. "Old, webcam picture".

With all of those squirmy excuses in attempts to defend yourself, you obviously care and not happy with your results.

Got a new pic up. Sub-35 year old females for filter. Stay tuned, you're not going to like the results.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2573323]Brand Scott whose boss is US and came to Verbier. Ch for image of free ride for business. Skis factory being above Aosta. It on the other side of Gran San Bernardino where I will wait for You on Swiss side. I m pretty sure model is KTM, nothing about brand. I joked asking if such expensive bicycle would climb alone, when I m fully sure Pogacar on my French made Lapierre will always be far before Sagan on the most high tech but without engine, real bicycle, when the guy is more important than bicycle on my steep climbings Sagan doesn't like.[/QUOTE]When you and Mursenary are racing watch out for Pistons with a sign standing at the side of the road.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh5y1q-MDl0[/URL]

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2573510]Sure, Pogacar is a better climber than Sagan. It's just that you are no Pogacar. At best you have 25% of Pogacars power.[/QUOTE]Sagan couldn't even follow today on first ridiculous Brittany wall climbing for only 2 kms for about 100 meters up, when I don t leave my bed for less than 1000 meters up. I should climb much more than 30 000 meters up, often up to above 2500 meters high and only on highest ranked steep, for my great holidays. Other sport than laying on back at Globe, but helping to perform with girls.

It's time jettison the rants about two wheeled heroes To a different thread. It happened on the Thailand threads, for comments and reports about Annie's and Tulip massage dens. A trust fund braggart was responsible for "stupid shit in Thailand. Think of a heading. "Rants and Tour de Lance" ? I was the one by the side of the road. At least they are not cars driving in circles.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2572820]Okay okay. I'm in Europe every year first week of October.

I'll race you in Zoncolan if you accept. Loser pays entry into Welcum plus a one hour room.[/QUOTE]100% sure he won't accept. It's much easier to pretend on the internet than actually do something in real life.

I don't know why some ISG users hate Asians or foreigners so much. Doesn't make any sense.

Asians' huge money actually maintain the FKK industries in Germany. Otherwise, locals money won't able to attract enough quantities and quality Romanian girls. Without Asians or America rich tourists, I believe most young girls will not come back or stay. The consequence is to left only old and ugly MILFs for locals. 50 per session.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2573771]Sagan couldn't even follow today on first ridiculous Brittany wall climbing for only 2 kms for about 100 meters up, when I don t leave my bed for less than 1000 meters up.[/QUOTE]I see, you were pulling the peloton when Sagan couldn't follow? Or what exactly is your point? You wouldn't last 5 seconds in the peloton.

Still waiting for your Strava files or any other GPS file to show what an amazing cyclist you are. I claim that my grandmother cycles faster than you.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2573745]When you and Mursenary are racing watch out for Pistons with a sign standing at the side of the road.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh5y1q-MDl0[/URL][/QUOTE]German woman did this, with complaint now versus her and German Toni Marin was injured and suffered today.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2573786]100% sure he won't accept. It's much easier to pretend on the internet than actually do something in real life.[/QUOTE]He told he should be in Europe on end of July / August, better for me on August around 10/15 for my holidays, when I won't drive so far for him, he is not attractive enough, on October. And Wellcum should be at least on same level on August, even no more Ferragosto party, than on October. But rather than being only a bullshitting follower like so many others, you never answered for my many invitations for Gran San Bernardino above Martigny, when I chose not too far for you. I m fully sure you are just not able, when I will climb 2 sides of Gran San Bernardino like every Summer and also plan to climb Zoncolan from Sutrio with 27% on top, new for me, and of course once more steeper side from Ovaro, for my pleasure to be able and to see Italians supporting as a hero, maybe they don't see any other topless. For sure when I arrive on top of Stelvio 2758 high. Look forward my great holidays.

[QUOTE=AmSexyBoy;2573823]I don't know why some ISG users hate Asians or foreigners so much. Doesn't make any sense.

Asians' huge money actually maintain the FKK industries in Germany. Otherwise, locals money won't able to attract enough quantities and quality Romanian girls. Without Asians or America rich tourists, I believe most young girls will not come back or stay. The consequence is to left only old and ugly MILFs for locals. 50 per session.[/QUOTE]No one hates them. Are they being denied entry into any club? On the other hand, some clubs denied entry to some other ethnicities even if they were locals.

But *some* Asians are lazy and don't bother to find pricing; some other Asians are easy pushovers; some other Asians are arrogant and throw their money around.

Some. Not all. And yes, some non-Asians are also guilty; but for good or bad, Asians have this reputation: so much so that quite a few girls proudly proclaim themselves as Asian hunters.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2573607]But having big brain is even better.[/QUOTE]Big Wallet trumps both.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2573578]I don't care about your schedule, I'm not a follower of yours. Just, when Zoncolan is not so close to Paris, I prefer on August for my holidays and after painful balls rush, even casting seem to be really not exceptional, Wellcum should be at least on same level on August than October.[/QUOTE]Just letting you know so you can one day man up. You claim greatness. But you don't want to post your times. And you don't want to accept a challenge because it is too flat. Now you don't accept Zoncolan because it is not the best time of year. Pussy.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2573859] ... you never answered for my many invitations for Gran San Bernardino above Martigny, when I chose not too far for you. I m fully sure you are just not able, when I will climb 2 sides of Gran San Bernardino like every Summer and also plan to climb Zoncolan from Sutrio with 27% on top, new for me, and of course once more steeper side from Ovaro, for my pleasure to be able and to see Italians supporting as a hero, maybe they don't see any other topless. For sure when I arrive on top of Stelvio 2758 high. Look forward my great holidays.[/QUOTE]I don't answer invitations from people who cycle slower than my grandmother. Those Italians you mention told me they saw some guy like an extra from a movie about a POW camp and that they couldn't stop laughing because it was so ridiculous. You claim that you cycle these climbs faster than Sagan, I claim that my grandmother is faster than you.

You can always prove me wrong with a Strava file or any other GPS file.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2573925]Just letting you know so you can one day man up. You claim greatness. But you don't want to post your times. And you don't want to accept a challenge because it is too flat. Now you don't accept Zoncolan because it is not the best time of year. Pussy.[/QUOTE]I won t drive 1300 kms and same back, for You I don t need to meet to get pleasure, but as You told You would be in Koln forrest on end of July, if You visit Wellcum around 10/15 August, usually casting being at best, even not anymore 2017 level, I should also be around in Dolomiti or Austrian border, if you want to make real sport which help to perform with girls. Size also matter, even less with WGs than in real life. Met a ex Globe natural beauty, she would be the most attractive look for me at Globe, but moved to Cleo. Ch, who seemed terrorized to get animal full inside of her, low level for sex, not really a woman when she worked at Globe. Let me know for August while I m on holidays. I doubt your friend here from Zurich will come to Gran San Bernardino, when I'm ready to take risk in his dangerous country to go close for him.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2574011]I should also be around in Dolomiti or Austrian border, if you want to make real sport which help to perform with girls. Size also matter, even less with WGs than in real life.[/QUOTE]Okay, when? Give me a date in October. Put up or shut up.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2573872]No one hates them. Are they being denied entry into any club? On the other hand, some clubs denied entry to some other ethnicities even if they were locals.

But *some* Asians are lazy and don't bother to find pricing; some other Asians are easy pushovers; some other Asians are arrogant and throw their money around.

Some. Not all. And yes, some non-Asians are also guilty; but for good or bad, Asians have this reputation: so much so that quite a few girls proudly proclaim themselves as Asian hunters.[/QUOTE]Indeed. The proudest of paying extra is quite wild.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2573775]It's time jettison the rants about two wheeled heroes To a different thread. It happened on the Thailand threads, for comments and reports about Annie's and Tulip massage dens. A trust fund braggart was responsible for "stupid shit in Thailand. Think of a heading. "Rants and Tour de Lance" ? I was the one by the side of the road. At least they are not cars driving in circles.[/QUOTE]What other thread than rants and WTF would you propose? Seems well placed if you ask me.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2574179]Okay, when? Give me a date in October. Put up or shut up.[/QUOTE]Your wrote before you would be in Koln forrest on 30 July, didn't you? Can 't you be at Wellcum after Koln? When do you think you worth I drive more than 2500 kms to go and back, for you? Anyway, I really wish to be healthy enough to start on Saturday 3 July with Iseran. After 2 really sad Winters with no ski, would be really sad not to climb 25 highest ranked for more than 30 000 meters up, just for pleasure for my holidays.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2573987]I don't answer invitations from people who cycle slower than my grandmother. Those Italians you mention told me they saw some guy like an extra from a movie about a POW camp and that they couldn't stop laughing because it was so ridiculous. You claim that you cycle these climbs faster than Sagan, I claim that my grandmother is faster than you.

You can always prove me wrong with a Strava file or any other GPS file.[/QUOTE]Read better: I wrote I was happy and proud of my speed on top of Loze which is the steepest, compare to Sagan in gruppetto who couldn't be too late, not to be kicked off. And I really wish to be faster on this Summer, when I always only go to try to be faster, when I don't have same high tech bicycle but I don't need, nor same preparation, nor same dopping, just for my passion and pleasure for my holidays. I m pretty sure you would not even be able to climb Loze, just look at profile, nor even Gran San Bernardino which is much less difficult. For sure, a bit more sporty than laying on back at Globe, heart is a bit faster.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574083]..If a year from now, 150 per 60 minutes becomes the norm in Darmstadt, then we should accept it. I just think accepting 150 per 60 min as the "market rate" during summer of 2020 is a little premature....

As an aside, most of the Americans I have met are probably in the 80-95th percentile. $250 K per year is not exactly rich. What they share in common is a dedication to the hobby, as evidenced by their willingness to travel across an ocean. Many are single bachelors with no offspring and no alimony to pay. And if they are age 50 or older, they might have received some inheritance. These mongers spend probably a third (or more) of their disposable income on the hobby. Contrast that to locals who come from every income bracket and generally have lower dedication to the hobby.[/QUOTE]Tbh, 150 an HR has already been the norm with a lot of Asian hunters if things like DFK and BBBJ (which used to be included in a typical 50 session till 5 years ago) are thrown in. I am hoping it will not go up much more than 150.

Rich is a dirty word these days. This link is a simple but good read.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/opinion/sunday/what-the-rich-wont-tell-you.html[/URL]

Anyway, basing adjectives such as rich and wealthy on annual income is somewhat useless. A 28 year old hotshot banking associate making 250 K can hope to become rich one day. A 50 yr old dude with stay at home wife and 2 kids in college making 250 K is solidly middle class (or even lower middle class if living in bay area). It all depends on how long you made that amount, how much is going away in taxes, where do you live, so many other factors. I think HNWI is defined as being $5 M or even $30 M wealth level; personally, I would go with the latter. This is for the US. No clue about other nations.

"1/3 of disposable income on the hobby" - I doubt that you will find stats anywhere for this sort of thing. First, who qualifies as a hardcore traveling international monger? It is tough enough to find good data on wealth and income levels of normal people let alone for this specific subset. We will not know what their disposable income is either. That might not even matter. To use your own example, disposable income has no meaning in the case of a 50 year old single dude who inherited his money. He is spending out of his wealth and not annual income; some mongers may spend consistently similar amounts year after year, some others may monger hard for a few years and completely withdraw from the hobby (so, they are ranging between 0% in one year to potentially more than 100% in other years). That 33% percent is just a random guess, could be anything.

I am quite disciplined, don't take extras except in rare occasions; it is actually not so easy to run up the bill too much. My annual mongering spend inclusive of what I give sugarbabes is hardly much, and small enough to be hidden w / o being noticed.

If you park yourself in Frankfurt and attended a club 6 days a week, 52 weeks a year (assume you need a day of sabbath like god did), and assume you purchase cheap entry tickets in bulk because you attend daily and assume you take 3 hourly sessions with no extras every day, your spend may come to 52*6*350 = 109 K (assuming 50 for entry ticket). If you saved up 2 million and park it in a 5% yielding security, you can do this for the rest of your life and not touch the principal. Conversely, for a dude with disposable spending of 500 K annually, that is only 21%, even with this absurd example. (and BTW, any dude who is spending nearly all his waking time in clubs like that has no need for any other disposable income; he might as well rent a bunk bed next to a WG inside the club and just live there).

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2574235]Your wrote before you would be in Koln forrest on 30 July, didn't you? Can 't you be at Wellcum after Koln? When do you think you worth I drive more than 2500 kms to go and back, for you? Anyway, I really wish to be healthy enough to start on Saturday 3 July with Iseran. After 2 really sad Winters with no ski, would be really sad not to climb 25 highest ranked for more than 30 000 meters up, just for pleasure for my holidays.[/QUOTE]In Germany for one week in July / August. Anywhere in Western Germany until August 2nd.

Any date, any place in Europe in early October.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2574246]Read better: I wrote I was happy and proud of my speed on top of Loze which is the steepest, compare to Sagan in gruppetto who couldn't be too late, not to be kicked off. And I really wish to be faster on this Summer, when I always only go to try to be faster, when I don't have same high tech bicycle but I don't need, nor same preparation, nor same dopping, just for my passion and pleasure for my holidays. I m pretty sure you would not even be able to climb Loze, just look at profile, nor even Gran San Bernardino which is much less difficult. For sure, a bit more sporty than laying on back at Globe, heart is a bit faster.[/QUOTE]4 km / h is nothing to be proud off. 100% sure you were not faster than Sagan, nobody sane believes that. You had plenty of opportunities to prove your claims yet you never do. Maybe you are proud that you could stay upright with the help of your training wheels.

I claim my grandmother cycles faster than you.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2574269]If you park yourself in Frankfurt and attended a club 6 days a week, 52 weeks a year (assume you need a day of sabbath like god did), and assume you purchase cheap entry tickets in bulk because you attend daily and assume you take 3 hourly sessions with no extras every day, your spend may come to 52*6*350 = 109 K (assuming 50 for entry ticket). If you saved up 2 million and park it in a 5% yielding security, you can do this for the rest of your life and not touch the principal. Conversely, for a dude with disposable spending of 500 K annually, that is only 21%, even with this absurd example. (and BTW, any dude who is spending nearly all his waking time in clubs like that has no need for any other disposable income; he might as well rent a bunk bed next to a WG inside the club and just live there).[/QUOTE]Yes, it is a guess. But to be fair, I think your comment about Asian hunters charging 150 EUR per hour pre-pandemic is a guess too. I get the impression that Asian mongers are more susceptible to being bullied at the money locker than forming a long-term sugar baby relationship. Especially if there is a language barrier. So it's a quick score as opposed to financially draining a monger's account over a long term. I would guess it is easier for the WG to keep a sugar daddy addicted, if the monger is local to Frankfurt or at least Western Europe. Without regular contact, those money transfers might stop.

I had to double check my definitions since both you and Mursenary interpreted my calculations as pre-tax:

[QUOTE]Disposable income is the money that is available to invest, save, or spend on necessities and nonessential items [b]after deducting income taxes.[/b]

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/033015/what-difference-between-disposable-income-and-discretionary-income.asp[/QUOTE]Wouldn't after tax income be a better way to assess budgeting? Since Americans and Europeans are taxed differently.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2574208]What other thread than rants and WTF would you propose? Seems well placed if you ask me.[/QUOTE]Isn't it interesting that the persons who complain the most about content of posts are the ones who post the most trash?

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574495]Yes, it is a guess. But to be fair, I think your comment about Asian hunters charging 150 EUR per hour pre-pandemic is a guess too. I get the impression that Asian mongers are more susceptible to being bullied at the money locker than forming a long-term sugar baby relationship. Especially if there is a language barrier. So it's a quick score as opposed to financially draining a monger's account over a long term. I would guess it is easier for the WG to keep a sugar daddy addicted, if the monger is local to Frankfurt or at least Western Europe. Without regular contact, those money transfers might stop.

I had to double check my definitions since both you and Mursenary interpreted my calculations as pre-tax:

Wouldn't after tax income be a better way to assess budgeting? Since Americans and Europeans are taxed differently.[/QUOTE]I did not interpret disposable as pre tax. My tax comment applied to your earlier statements about income levels. Generally, when income levels are stated, it is customary to use pre tax to make those brackets because every person's tax rate can be different (eg. "average income level in US is $x". Here x refers to pre tax, not post tax). Your statements implied an income of 250 K or whatever as being rich yadda yadda, but a gross income in itself says very little about someone in today's society. Jobs can be lost at a minute notice, expense and responsibility and tax levels can be vastly different, etc. The broader point is, income is a relatively useless metric to judge one's wealth; net worth is much better (however, accurate data can be hard to come by).

I think the "150 charged by Asian hunters" is absolutely not a guess. I did not say every single Asian hunter charged that much of every single monger in the club, but many did; those have been well reported here and many of those girls have got those bad habits and demanded similar amounts of many other non Asians too, me included. To be sure, I don't place the blame on solely Asians but it is the girls themselves who called themselves Asian hunters. May be not in so many words but "I do anal only w / Asians" "I am very popular with Asians" etc are quite often heard from some of the better known Asian hunters.

Personally, I think it is impossible to generalize 4+ billion Asians. Might as well call them "men or mongers". The only difference is that the Asian dudes in FKKs are a small subset of all Asians out there; I don't know if there are some specific characteristics common to them, other than they are in a foreign country, have language and cultural issues; I hear native Japanese guys in the clubs are somewhat pliant but could be just a stereotype.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2574517]And despite what I thought, Palace is reopening on the 2nd July, this Friday.
50 euro entry. As it will probably be a sausage fest, expect free food.

[URL]https://www.fkk24.de/the-palace/events/wiedereroeffnung[/URL]

Should I go? What do you think?[/QUOTE]Of course you have to go, you will get a great sausage festival and on top of that with some luck Delta or even Delta plus variant, impossible not to take this very attractive offer.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2574341]In Germany for one week in July / August. Anywhere in Western Germany until August 2nd.

Any date, any place in Europe in early October.[/QUOTE]OK, so not Zoncolan because too far to drive from Paris, but I will try to find another famous legend closer to Germany where I think you should mainly stay, for beginning of October, on week end. Won't be so steep. Maybe San Bernardino. Ch from Martigny climbing to my beloved Verbier. A bit steep to Verbier, about 550 kms south Sharks. I remember when Contador exploded Armstrong there.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2574614]Of course you have to go, you will get a great sausage festival and on top of that with some luck Delta or even Delta plus variant, impossible not to take this very attractive offer.[/QUOTE]Is this before or after the cops storm in and then call my mother telling her I've been in a brothel?

If you can't post anything useful, perhaps don't post at all.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2574642]If you can't post anything useful, perhaps don't post at all.[/QUOTE]Thumbs up!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574495]Yes, it is a guess. But to be fair, I think your comment about Asian hunters charging 150 EUR per hour pre-pandemic is a guess too. I get the impression that Asian mongers are more susceptible to being bullied at the money locker than forming a long-term sugar baby relationship. Especially if there is a language barrier. So it's a quick score as opposed to financially draining a monger's account over a long term. I would guess it is easier for the WG to keep a sugar daddy addicted, if the monger is local to Frankfurt or at least Western Europe. Without regular contact, those money transfers might stop.

I had to double check my definitions since both you and Mursenary interpreted my calculations as pre-tax:

Wouldn't after tax income be a better way to assess budgeting? Since Americans and Europeans are taxed differently.[/QUOTE]I didn't even notice that you said disposable. So you're probably on point with that "one third if not more" estimate. I wouldn't even throw in the tax / post tax stuff as even if Americans pay less in taxes, we pay on the back end since we don't have the social services provided by the European counterparts.

Almost by pure logistics, Asians from Asia will not ever be the long game, addiction type. The only Asian whales are the Euro-Asians and the Asian-Americans. The guys who pay 150 e per hour cross all demographics, Europeans included. Focusing on only the Asians is just scapegoating that phenomenon.

What girls really get with the Asian-Asians is the no-confrontation, no-stress quick buck. They can run through a busload of 6 Japanese businessmen in 2 hours and come out 300-500 euro. They come out well paid after sessions where the guys don't demand much. Low stress, decent bucks, hardly ever super old or obese, low body odor, yada yada. Of course they'll chase those clients, small dick or not. The worst they have to deal with is an overgrown Bush.

But I'll stress again how this is still scapegoating. With the exception of a quiet Monday / Tuesday at Oase, I've never seen a day where Asians make up more than 10% of clients. And I surely don't see groups of Asians 7 days a week. Point is, there just isn't enough business from only Asians to justify so my scapegoating. I'm guessing that at this moment, you will not see more than 2 or 3 Asians in any club and yet the Hessen reports suggest an even more Sharky environment than ever before. Even in NRW, these girls are apparently playing the CBJ angle more. And how often do those clubs have zero Asian clients, quite often.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2574642]Is this before or after the cops storm in and then call my mother telling her I've been in a brothel?

If you can't post anything useful, perhaps don't post at all.[/QUOTE]That really happened? Why would they call your mother? How old are you? Or you are disable or something? Why do cops call your mother? Palace is FKK, not a high school LOL!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2574554]I think the "150 charged by Asian hunters" is absolutely not a guess. I did not say every single Asian hunter charged that much of every single monger in the club, but many did; those have been well reported here and many of those girls have got those bad habits and demanded similar amounts of many other non Asians too, me included.[/QUOTE]I have not really gone with many "new" WGs Sharks in a long time, although Sharks used to be my favorite club between 2014-2016.

So what I am reading is only some WGs charge some men 150 EUR per hour. To me, the most renowned Asian hunters would be Evita, Cosmina, Helen. I thought they were just known for being "busy" or otherwise "not available". And that they rejected men as opposed to quoting them higher rates. With those three, I have even heard of Asian mongers complain that they were bumped by other Asian mongers. My impression is that Evita, Cosmina, Helen charged Asian mongers market rates to lure them in, but just had a way of converting them to long-term business relationships with their charm (or the Asian mongers' gullibility). I have heard about Melissa charging 120 EUR per hour more or less to all mongers. But she is upfront about it. I do not think she targets Asians. I think there are some WGs who target any newbie monger, but specifically Asians who cannot speak English or German, trying to throw all extras and get 250 for 15 minutes work.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2574642]Is this before or after the cops storm in and then call my mother telling her I've been in a brothel?

If you can't post anything useful, perhaps don't post at all.[/QUOTE]I just try to help you to make the right decision. Have a look at the WHO about the transmission of the covid, you will probably understand that a FKK has everything wrong. I never try to think with my dick but with my head. Probably the next wave o the pandemic is on our door, 50% of the new cases are from fully vaccinated people if this is not a point of concern.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574714]I have not really gone with many "new" WGs Sharks in a long time, although Sharks used to be my favorite club between 2014-2016.

So what I am reading is only some WGs charge some men 150 EUR per hour. To me, the most renowned Asian hunters would be Evita, Cosmina, Helen. I thought they were just known for being "busy" or otherwise "not available". And that they rejected men as opposed to quoting them higher rates. With those three, I have even heard of Asian mongers complain that they were bumped by other Asian mongers. My impression is that Evita, Cosmina, Helen charged Asian mongers market rates to lure them in, but just had a way of converting them to long-term business relationships with their charm (or the Asian mongers' gullibility). I have heard about Melissa charging 120 EUR per hour more or less to all mongers. But she is upfront about it. I do not think she targets Asians. I think there are some WGs who target any newbie monger, but specifically Asians who cannot speak English or German, trying to throw all extras and get 250 for 15 minutes work.[/QUOTE]Red hair Melissa sitting close to SM used to ask 100/30 or 150/60 , but she told before going, so she is honest.

We have a user here baiting everyone who is left to write whatever he likes, even if it contributes nothing to the discussion.
Anyway, I am considering heading over there.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2574848]We have a user here baiting everyone who is left to write whatever he likes, even if it contributes nothing to the discussion.
Anyway, I am considering heading over there.[/QUOTE]Always the same story, when the reality does' t match what the people think or what they should do the reality does' t exist, so simple. Delta variant is strongly around, visiting prostitutes is at high risk but never mind my little bit pleasure is more important that the reality. In the UK we have 117 deaths from Delta, 50 were fully vaccinated with 2 shots over 21 days which means like I was writing it many times the vaccines are far less efficient than what was communicated. Probably we will see a 4th wave in the coming months, but still people attending Wembley. Just like the reality does t exist.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574714]I have not really gone with many "new" WGs Sharks in a long time, although Sharks used to be my favorite club between 2014-2016.

So what I am reading is only some WGs charge some men 150 EUR per hour. To me, the most renowned Asian hunters would be Evita, Cosmina, Helen. I thought they were just known for being "busy" or otherwise "not available". And that they rejected men as opposed to quoting them higher rates. With those three, I have even heard of Asian mongers complain that they were bumped by other Asian mongers. My impression is that Evita, Cosmina, Helen charged Asian mongers market rates to lure them in, but just had a way of converting them to long-term business relationships with their charm (or the Asian mongers' gullibility). I have heard about Melissa charging 120 EUR per hour more or less to all mongers. But she is upfront about it. I do not think she targets Asians. I think there are some WGs who target any newbie monger, but specifically Asians who cannot speak English or German, trying to throw all extras and get 250 for 15 minutes work.[/QUOTE]I have gone with all three, Evita, Helen, and Cosmina. Probably 20 rooms with Evita, a half dozen with Helen, and twice with Cosmina.

I have only ever done one hour rooms with Cosmina and Helen. With Evita, they ranged from 30 mins to 2 hours, averaging 1 hour.

Not once has any of them asked for more than club standard. They never even asked for a tip. At the same time, I am certain that the majority of Cosmina and Helen's clients are not Asian. Cosmina just once had the long time Japanese whale who she spent entire nights. And Helen, well she just talks about her Asian huntress role quite openly. Neither seem to openly deny non Asian mongers. Evita on the other hand has quite a large following of Asians and was just constantly booked.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2574803]Red hair Melissa sitting close to SM used to ask 100/30 or 150/60 , but she told before going, so she is honest.[/QUOTE]Melissa really thinks she's the cat's whiskers. I never like going with a girl who fancies herself too much, the service is invariably bad. No problem for guys who like looks more than service.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2574803]Red hair Melissa sitting close to SM used to ask 100/30 or 150/60 , but she told before going, so she is honest.[/QUOTE]She charged the same rates for private incall. The other Sharks WGs also charged those rates during lockdown. 150/60 is the "market rate" for private incall. But in the club, they should be charging less.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574714]I have not really gone with many "new" WGs Sharks in a long time, although Sharks used to be my favorite club between 2014-2016.

So what I am reading is only some WGs charge some men 150 EUR per hour. To me, the most renowned Asian hunters would be Evita, Cosmina, Helen. I thought they were just known for being "busy" or otherwise "not available". And that they rejected men as opposed to quoting them higher rates. With those three, I have even heard of Asian mongers complain that they were bumped by other Asian mongers. My impression is that Evita, Cosmina, Helen charged Asian mongers market rates to lure them in, but just had a way of converting them to long-term business relationships with their charm (or the Asian mongers' gullibility). I have heard about Melissa charging 120 EUR per hour more or less to all mongers. But she is upfront about it. I do not think she targets Asians. I think there are some WGs who target any newbie monger, but specifically Asians who cannot speak English or German, trying to throw all extras and get 250 for 15 minutes work.[/QUOTE]I am not good with names. That is true even in my own professional life unfortunately. In these clubs, I don't bother to ask their names and if they tell me, I tend to forget. I notice a lot of guys start their opening pitch to the girls with "hey what's your name, I am x". Of the ones you mentioned I know Evita for sure, Cosmina rings a bell but don't remember which club and from when; could be that I am confusing some face with some other name. Even when I am visiting these clubs somewhat regularly it is tough enough to remember and now it is all a blur after 17+ months.

I thought 50 E for 30 m is standard at the Hessen clubs. I did not run into any that I can recall refusing a 50 E session for 30 M. Strange, asking upfront 120 E for an hour: Isn't that against the rules? If you go to the room w / a girl w / o prenegotiation, you are still entitled to purchasing a 50 E session? At least that's been my experience. The Asian hunters tend to cut short on a bunch of things which I mentioned elsewhere: time, everything being an extra, bad attitude, terrible service, constant upselling, etc. Yes, I don't disagree that it is not only Asians that fall prey to this, but the prevailing attitude I have seen from these girls is "I can get away with these because I have Asian customers that are ready to pick up the slack".

[QUOTE=Turgid;2574904]Melissa really thinks she's the cat's whiskers. I never like going with a girl who fancies herself too much, the service is invariably bad. No problem for guys who like looks more than service.[/QUOTE]Body near perfection, service adequate, teeth quite offputting, personality of a wet paper bag. She's a half grade above optic-fuck and she charges the price of a super star. No thanks for me also.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2574904]Melissa really thinks she's the cat's whiskers. I never like going with a girl who fancies herself too much, the service is invariably bad. No problem for guys who like looks more than service.[/QUOTE]I found her higher than average to chat, but no wow for her face nor in bed, but I would be happy to find more girls on her level in brothels.

I went to World on Sunday. When I got there the parking lot was not very full, so it was clear that the club would be pretty empty. After the bureaucratic registration stuff and a quick test, I was then allowed into the "holy halls". In the end there were approximately 50 guests and 8-10 girls on site.

A lot of doors were open upstairs and the joint was pretty airy and well ventilated. After 10 months I sweated again in the two indoor saunas. The steam bath was not in use. The indoor pool has given way to a number of new rooms. Now less wellness and more of a focus on core business.

It was apparent that the outside area had been opened hastily. The outside pool is now covered with algae and the lawn has not been mowed for a long time. Outside there are no sunbeds, no seats or seat cushions, no outside bar.

Personally, I don't find the price model Eur10 entry and drinks / food for a fee bad. The drink prices were apparently at the same level as before Corona. The food prices were bar usual.

I never counted more than 6 girls in the main hall, so there were probably only a total of 8-10 girls in the club. All U30's, from skinny to plump, something for every taste. It seemed mainly from the Balkans. A girl with short cropped hair, had a very interesting appearance and would have been worth talking to but unfortunately not seen again after a brief appearance. Too bad!

In summary allow 15 minutes for access formalities including test; do not expect much from the outdoor area. For Eur10 entry after 10 months you will sweat it out again in the zimmer; basic services for girls are available.

On a side note is interesting and conspicuous how some have knocked the new format at World and advertised a new club in Euskirchen. Also at the same time others have praised the big investment made in World.

Jimmy.

[URL]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57358241[/URL]

How many times we have read the story like this, but it keeps happening again and again. Because for some idiots their cock rules their head.

For $250,000 he could f*ck a thousand of girls in FKK girls better look and younger than his bride.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574905]She charged the same rates for private incall. The other Sharks WGs also charged those rates during lockdown. 150/60 is the "market rate" for private incall. But in the club, they should be charging less.[/QUOTE]She has to pay around 100 daily at Sharks. I didn t repeat because of her upselling, even honest, telling before going, when I could have tried more for 100/60, when Sharks casting was often poor and she was above the average level.

Half of Australia's population is now under lockdown because of the globalist's "Delta Varian" hysteria:

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/30/australia-extends-lockdown-measures-amid-delta-covid-variant-outbreak.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]Around one in two Australians are under stay-at-home orders, with millions others subjected to movement curbs and mandatory mask-wearing.[/QUOTE]When will Europe and Germany be next? Just wait for autumn to arrive in Europe, as it's now 'autumn-winter' on the southern Hemisphere: tik-tok-tik-tok-tik-tok.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2575065][URL]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57358241[/URL]

How many times we have read the story like this, but it keeps happening again and again. Because for some idiots their cock rules their head.

For $250,000 he could f*ck a thousand of girls in FKK girls better look and younger than his bride.[/QUOTE]Hahaha, James is just dumb leftwing ("charity worker") idiot who got separated from his tax-payer funded wealth and salary. These are the kind of sex tourist morons who pay 150 Euros for 1 hour of minimalistic no-DFK service in a German FKK club and then even leave a generous tip, and these are the type of idiots who are upsold a "vaccine" to "get their freedom back. ".

By the way, what kind of "charity" pays a salary that allows someone to save roughly $400 k? Most regular 9-5 office workers can only dream of such savings when they reach 52 years old and can still cash in for another 13 years. Another tax-payer funded leftwing pipe dream project? You'd expect someone who works for a charity to live a frugal lifestyle and be careful with money.

[QUOTE]James finally realised that the women had scammed him out of about $250,000, two-thirds of his life savings. [/QUOTE]James finally got a taste of his own medicine, imagine how the donors (voluntary or involuntary-tax-payers) to this charity must feel when they find out he's been able to squander $250 k of *their* hard earned money which was actually meant for charity, and not to finance the luxurious lifestyle of the "charity worker. ".

They should not have blanked his face, so that all WGs in FKK-Land can easily recognise him and take him for a ride to help him get rid of the remaining $130 k! LOL!

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2575117]Half of Australia's population is now under lockdown because of the globalist's "Delta Varian" hysteria:

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/30/australia-extends-lockdown-measures-amid-delta-covid-variant-outbreak.html[/URL]

When will Europe and Germany be next? Just wait for autumn to arrive in Europe, as it's now 'autumn-winter' on the southern Hemisphere: tik-tok-tik-tok-tik-tok.[/QUOTE]It's funny that you're so scared.

What makes you think Germany will copy the rightwing Australian government's methods? Australia has been very strict from the start with a zero tolerance policy.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2574998]I found her higher than average to chat....[/QUOTE]Melissa? How did you approach her? What was your opening line? What did you talk about?

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2575162]But double injection vaccination should be enough to enter the club.

Why then PCR-test?

What are they doing?[/QUOTE]Duh, because it's not about a "virus" but it's about building a Marxist police state.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2575065][URL]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57358241[/URL]

How many times we have read the story like this, but it keeps happening again and again. Because for some idiots their cock rules their head.

For $250,000 he could f*ck a thousand of girls in FKK girls better look and younger than his bride.[/QUOTE]I feel sorry for this dude but I don't think there is any lesson. He was foolish and was bound to be duped. I am surprised he lasted till his 50's before getting fleeced.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2575262]Duh, because it's not about a "virus" but it's about building a Marxist police state.[/QUOTE]Totally. You know, those darn communist Sharks brothel owners being part of the master plan. Jesus.

To all others, I don't believe you need the test if you're vaxxed. I think that was someone interpreting HB's post incorrectly. Definitely not the case at Samya if vaxxed 2 weeks prior.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2575262]Duh, because it's not about a "virus" but it's about building a Marxist police state.[/QUOTE]Quite BS.

With respect to vaccination It should be one of the Officially accepted like BioNTech / Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson&Johnson or Astra Zeneca.

The Marxist" Sputnik V is not (yet) accepted.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2575257]Melissa? How did you approach her? What was your opening line? What did you talk about?[/QUOTE]I will give my secret, first of all you compliment her about her beauty, than you just ask her if she time for you that simple and efficiency around 100%.

I have concluded from years of experience that ExpatLover here on ISG is not the person he claims to be. It is an account made by an interest organization working against sex trade. So against the nature of this forum. And also against for example Amnesty International, who I morally agree with. A troll account. It is very weired how the administration are allowing it to keep posting in the age of Google and Facebook censorship. Unless there is more happening behind the scenes.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2575262]Duh, because it's not about a "virus" but it's about building a Marxist police state.[/QUOTE]I agree about this to 100 %.

[QUOTE=Arnold15;2575599]I agree about this to 100 %.[/QUOTE]May be you should get some reliable info about what is the pandemic, how many people died, how many people are suffering from long covid side effects, about how many were desperately waiting for medical support for one of there beloved. May be also about the spreading of the Delta variant, about the new lockdowns in Portugal, Tunis. Some are trying to get info and to behave accordantly others are just controlled by the libido (like animals) and just want to go fuck prostitutes despite all the potential risks.

Sociopath politician with rotting teeth (and no, I'm not talking about Guy Verhofstadt, haha) continues to spread fear.

Demagogue German SPD politician Karl Lauterbach, the man with the 'Hollywood smile' and who has been a key person since the beginning of this 'crisis,' and who has been visiting talkshows around the clock to spread more fearporn in order to influence public opinion ahead of more lockdowns, is now warning about the coming of a "super-virus" that is resistant against vaccines:

[URL]https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/panorama/id_90373180/lauterbach-warnt-bei-lanz-vor-super-coronavirus-gegen-jede-impfung-immun-.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]Es ist Sommer und der Corona-Albtraum scheint schlagartig ganz weit weg zu sein. Vielleicht können wir ja doch ganz gut mit diesem neuen Virus leben und es wird irgendwann vergleichbar mit der Grippe zur Normalität? Ein naiver Irrglaube, warnte SPD-Gesundheitsexperte Karl Lauterbach am Donnerstag bei "Markus Lanz".[/QUOTE]My rough translation: 'It's summer and the Corona nightmare seems suddenly very far away. Maybe we can live quite well with this new virus, and some day it will be normal, just like the flu? A naive misconception, warns SPD health expert Karl Lauterbach on Thursday at Markus Lanz.'

Most of 'Klabauterbach's' doomsday scenarios, like his warnings for the 'horror winter of 2020-2021' or 'the collapse of the ICU capacity in Germany,' or the 'British mutation killing thousands of youngsters,' turned out to be complete lies and hoaxes. Nevertheless, he continues to be invited in all German mainstream media, and because of this he continues to stoke massive amounts of fear into the German people in order to pave the way for MerKill to get away with more totalitarian laws and lockdowns.

Better enjoy those FKK openings, those silly masks, surrendering your private data, those experimental gene therapy 'vaccines,' those poor line-ups, and gay parties due to massive ratio of male attendance compared to WG, real quickly, because in autumn it will probably all be over *again!

Tik-tok-tik-tok-tik-tok-tik-tok.

P.S. Lauterbach is someone who can't even take care of his own teeth (Google pictures of "Lauterbach zaehne") yet he claims to know what's best for the whole world. LOL!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2575257]Melissa? How did you approach her? What was your opening line? What did you talk about?[/QUOTE]On a day with low level casting, as unfortunately too often at Sharks since 2017, she was sitting in her couch, really nice to chat, not full red hair at this time, more interesting than average of WGs, not a whole lie, I stayed 150/60 with her when she gave me her rates before going. Not so bad but I never repeated for her rates. When she would be one of the sexiest natural body at Globe, I missed her body level compare to what I saw yesterday at Sharks. For me, no wow, but Melissa can be a nice girl if she feels to be respected. But I don t like red hair, I like ginger even they are often bitter taste. Also no wow for her face even not ugly and above at Sharks. I miss Megan level for faces now since a while at Sharks.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2575303]I feel sorry for this dude but I don't think there is any lesson. He was foolish and was bound to be duped. I am surprised he lasted till his 50's before getting fleeced.[/QUOTE]Anybody here not guilty? Step forward and be counted. Especially those who tout penis size, their prowess in bed or riding a bicycle. Married men are led around by their middle leg. 50% get divorced and lose the house.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2575506]I have concluded from years of experience that ExpatLover here on ISG is not the person he claims to be. It is an account made by an interest organization working against sex trade. So against the nature of this forum. And also against for example Amnesty International, who I morally agree with. A troll account. It is very weired how the administration are allowing it to keep posting in the age of Google and Facebook censorship. Unless there is more happening behind the scenes.[/QUOTE]May be you should make yours the famous sentence from Voltaire " even I don t agree with what you are saying I will fight until my death that you can say it" but when I see your posts I don t believe that you are able to understand it.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2575506]I have concluded from years of experience that ExpatLover here on ISG is not the person he claims to be. It is an account made by an interest organization working against sex trade. So against the nature of this forum. And also against for example Amnesty International, who I morally agree with. A troll account. It is very weired how the administration are allowing it to keep posting in the age of Google and Facebook censorship. Unless there is more happening behind the scenes.[/QUOTE]Maybe it's the US White House account?

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9748517/White-House-sparks-outrage-tweet-claiming-July-4-cookouts-CHEAPER-year.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2575672]Anybody here not guilty? Step forward and be counted. Especially those who tout penis size, their prowess in bed or riding a bicycle. Married men are led around by their middle leg. 50% get divorced and lose the house.[/QUOTE]I fear you are getting lost. Getting duped is the man's problem, not those other things. Many guys do all the other things you are talking about, and of course all of us get to 50's eventually. Very few of us get duped out of our life savings.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2575672]Anybody here not guilty? Step forward and be counted. Especially those who tout penis size, their prowess in bed or riding a bicycle. Married men are led around by their middle leg. 50% get divorced and lose the house.[/QUOTE]For $250 k?

Sure, everybody get's ripped off once in a while, but most *intelligent* people catch on pretty quick, learn from their rooky mistakes, and then move on.

The sucker in the article however dumped $250 k into a bottomless pit before finally waking up that he ad been scammed.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2575250]It's funny that you're so scared.

What makes you think Germany will copy the rightwing Australian government's methods? Australia has been very strict from the start with a zero tolerance policy.[/QUOTE]I'm not the one who is scared of the virus, you idiot! Learn how to READ! It's the dumb public that has been scared into taking experimental vaccines and is again being brainwashed to fear the *Delta Variant. *.

I'm NOT scared of the virus, I'm scared of the next lockdowns and the fascist police state to regulate those lockdowns!

Obviously you want the Covid madness with tests and vaccines, the poor FKK line ups, and all the FKK restrictions to continue because you're so scared of the virus?

Better quote. "If you have nothing to say, say nothing." Mark Twain.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2575301]In some cultures, it is more socially acceptable to flaunt material wealth. There are stories of nouveau riche Chinese mongers traveling together as a group to Thailand and throwing money around. And it becomes a competition amongst friends over who spends more. In Middle-Eastern cultures, there is this social dynamic as well. You can find YouTube videos of violent altercations when two men are fighting over who will pay the restaurant bill. This is a game of one-upsmanship between male friends and has nothing to do with the WG. They have zero intention to win the WG over or even see her again. They might not even remember the WG's name. Club owners appreciate these men as well as they are buying the expensive bottles of liquor.

Then you have more lovesick-puppy SIMP mongers. These could be one percenters. Or these could be 85-percenters spending like one-percenters over a 2-3 year period, draining their retirement nest egg. Their intention is to win the WG over. Or impress the WG, believing she will appreciate him and fall in love with him. These men are buying expensive gifts, taking WGs shopping, and giving her a living stipend, so this goes well beyond just tipping at the money lockers.

I suspect WG exaggerate how much they receive from this second type of whale. Many WGs tell will openly talk about the sugar daddies sponsoring them. The subtext being "I am in high-demand so if you want my attention you better tip or long-room me". So they are not directly asking for a tip. But some mongers may feel pressured to tip to ensure continued good service on repeat sessions.[/QUOTE]Are these real examples of conspicuous and stupid spending that you know of, first hand? Or, are they anecdotes from reading stories here? Seriously, are there mongers visiting FKKs that are taking WGs to expensive shopping? Why? She would have fucked the guy in the club for a normal price and given extra fake love for a 20 tip.

I can understand trying to impress friends and peers with expensive cars, houses and vacations but I don't know who they are trying to impress by giving too much money to tutes in fuck clubs. I mean, most of the time at the money locker it is just you and the girl, no one else even knows how much money you gave her. If trying to impress others, why not just lie that you gave her 200 extra when in fact it was just the normal amount?

In my experience, being 1 percenter is different from spending like a 1 percenter. The 1 percenters I know in the US (which now takes north of $10 mil net worth to get there) are normal spenders and some are tight fisted bastards. I worked for a hedge fund PM early in my career and it was a small shop with just 5 of us, so I saw him the whole day. He had $100 M of his own money in the funds we managed, plus an absurd amount of other assets but he was a slimebag when it came to parting with his money and availed of free food wherever it was presented (brokers give a lot of free goodies to fund managers and analysts in NYC including free dinners or tickets to nice sporting events etc.).

[QUOTE=Pistons;2575506]I have concluded from years of experience that ExpatLover here on ISG is not the person he claims to be. It is an account made by an interest organization working against sex trade. So against the nature of this forum. And also against for example Amnesty International, who I morally agree with. A troll account. It is very weired how the administration are allowing it to keep posting in the age of Google and Facebook censorship. Unless there is more happening behind the scenes.[/QUOTE]Your guess is not so bad.

But that is the second account of the person who always makes the same grammatical error in both accounts.

Maybe once his phone has memorized this error, he repeats this error systematically.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2575723]Better quote. "If you have nothing to say, say nothing." Mark Twain.[/QUOTE]"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. " Mark Twain.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2575710]I'm NOT scared of the virus, I'm scared of the next lockdowns and the fascist police state to regulate those lockdowns!

Obviously you want the Covid madness with tests and vaccines, the poor FKK line ups, and all the FKK restrictions to continue because you're so scared of the virus?[/QUOTE]I didn't say you were scared of the virus. I said you're scared.

Learn to fucking READ.

I even gave you an example of a fascist state: Australia. People there are behind the government.

You're harping on and on about German politicians but don't know anything about the world outside your Land. I remember this German guy telling me how Sweden works when I visited Oase once upon a time. That guy must have been you.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2575506]I have concluded from years of experience that ExpatLover here on ISG is not the person he claims to be. It is an account made by an interest organization working against sex trade. So against the nature of this forum. And also against for example Amnesty International, who I morally agree with. A troll account. It is very weired how the administration are allowing it to keep posting in the age of Google and Facebook censorship. Unless there is more happening behind the scenes.[/QUOTE]

In the past he keeps demonising punters by keep arguing that "vast majority" of FKKs girl and girls working in brothels in Germany have been pimped. This thing made us punters look like evil as if we were participating in evil practice. Keep in mind pimping is illegal in many countries.

A few pimping practices might exist but exaggerating it to a different level such as saying "vast majority" of them have been pimped make me wonder; why would punters ever say that in ISG forum. It is utterrly beyond my comprehension. Similar practice like pimping exists everywhere in the world and in any sector of business, but the authority will simply not be able to eliminate this practice.

It is not our duties as punters to care about this pimping practice as we have paid our fair share of taxes, via our income taxes and the taxes we contribute indirectly to government via FKKs. Let the authority crack them down, that is what they have been paid for and our part is to enjoy the service we have paid.

Pimping practice and friend with benefit where boyfriends taking advantage of love relationship are two different thing. Even friend with benefit practice are very rare as vast majority of them are working to make money for themselves and their families at home and we are helping them to meet their needs.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2575898]He keeps saying, vast majority of FKKs girl and Girls working in brothels in Germany have been pimped which make us punters look like evil as if we were participating in evil practice. Keep in mind pimping is illegal in many countries.[/QUOTE]What is the definition of being "pimped" in Europe? You can stretch the definition to make almost every working girl being "pimped" out. If she gives her money to her boyfriend, is that "pimped" out? If she sends money home to her parents, is that "pimped" out as well?

One thing I will say is that very small minority of girls are absolutely keeping all their income to strictly themselves, not having a leaching boyfriend or family member. Few are saving the money for their own life and well being. The majority of working girls almost always someone in their life that's getting some her money, if not all. Are those people all "pimps?" Some girls are actually taking care of their grand parents, is granny the master "pimp?

The traditional pimp portrayed in Hollywood movies or mainstream news media is almost non-existent in Germany. Anyone pushing that agenda is saying absolute nonsense.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2575898]In the past he keeps demonising punters by keep arguing that "vast majority" of FKKs girl and girls working in brothels in Germany have been pimped. This thing made us punters look like evil as if we were participating in evil practice. Keep in mind pimping is illegal in many countries.

A few pimping practices might exist but exaggerating it to a different level such as saying "vast majority" of them have been pimped make me wonder; why would punters ever say that in ISG forum. It is utterrly beyond my comprehension. Similar practice like pimping exists everywhere in the world and in any sector of business, but the authority will simply not be able to eliminate this practice.

It is not our duties as punters to care about this pimping practice as we have paid our fair share of taxes, via our income taxes and the taxes we contribute indirectly to government via FKKs. Let the authority crack them down, that is what they have been paid for and our part is to enjoy the service we have paid.

Pimping practice and friend with benefit where boyfriends taking advantage of love relationship are two different thing. Even friend with benefit practice are very rare as vast majority of them are working to make money for themselves and their families at home and we are helping them to meet their needs.[/QUOTE]Always the same story with guys like you, when the reality is not what you want the reality doesn't exist. There is no covid and no pimps, what a joke. Advice you to stay outside the FKK 30 minutes before opening not on the door but several hundred meters and to see how and with whom the girls come to the FKK. If you really want to help them why not joining 1 of the numerous associations helping girls to go out of prostitution. Why are you asking the authorities to act, you can also act, no monger no prostitution as simple as that.

I have noted some German girls who are actually anti-pimped. One girl had an ex boyfriend who stalked her and was jealous of other guys and she had to sneek into work. Therefore, I think most young German men are anti-pimps. At least of the girl does not have a lot of tattoos. Though if she has a lot of tattoos and hangs out with bikers, then she probably already had sex with all the biker gang already so what does it matter to bang a few hobbyists.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2575898]In the past he keeps demonising punters by keep arguing that "vast majority" of FKKs girl and girls working in brothels in Germany have been pimped. This thing made us punters look like evil as if we were participating in evil practice. Keep in mind pimping is illegal in many countries.

A few pimping practices might exist but exaggerating it to a different level such as saying "vast majority" of them have been pimped make me wonder; why would punters ever say that in ISG forum. It is utterrly beyond my comprehension. Similar practice like pimping exists everywhere in the world and in any sector of business, but the authority will simply not be able to eliminate this practice.

It is not our duties as punters to care about this pimping practice as we have paid our fair share of taxes, via our income taxes and the taxes we contribute indirectly to government via FKKs. Let the authority crack them down, that is what they have been paid for and our part is to enjoy the service we have paid.

Pimping practice and friend with benefit where boyfriends taking advantage of love relationship are two different thing. Even friend with benefit practice are very rare as vast majority of them are working to make money for themselves and their families at home and we are helping them to meet their needs.[/QUOTE]

So if someone ends up infected and then must go somewhere for 14 days but what if one used up all cash on FKK girls? Is there a free hotel provided by Germany to those auslanders who get infected?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2575679]May be you should make yours the famous sentence from Voltaire " even I don t agree with what you are saying I will fight until my death that you can say it" but when I see your posts I don t believe that you are able to understand it.[/QUOTE]I just got a post deleted. So you are talking to a mirror now.

It was about you, and marked as largely argumentative.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2575495]I will give my secret, first of all you compliment her about her beauty, than you just ask her if she time for you that simple and efficiency around 100%.[/QUOTE]I compliment all the girls I take to the zimmer about their beauty and all say 'thank you'. Her attitude did not encourage me to take her to the room; she spoke as if she was doing me a huge favor spending time with me; very off putting.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2575981]I compliment all the girls I take to the zimmer about their beauty and all say 'thank you'. Her attitude did not encourage me to take her to the room; she spoke as if she was doing me a huge favor spending time with me; very off putting.[/QUOTE]In my view, girls appreciate polite guys but that's about it. A lot of compliments about looks and post session thank you's etc. Don't do much for the service. These are hard core putas. They have their eyes firmly on the practical. Easy sessions, great money, repeat sessions, a lot of easy extras.

Another observation is that they generally respond more to the body language than any words when you are in the lounge pre session. Guys that are smiling, are loose and look like having a good time are appealing. Stiff guys, unsmiling guys, guys who ask too many questions and wasting time with a lot of synthetic talk, are not so appealing. That said, they still care only about making the most amount of money.

I don't remember this specific girl you are talking of; perhaps I have seen her but don't remember her name. But those are my general observations about club girls.

Many guys like to talk to the girls too much in the lounge. It is as if they are trying to form emotional connection with these girls outside the room. I don't get it. You could easily fuck them with a simple 50 right then and there. Guys can be strange too. With their GFs and wives and girls in their real life with whom they have emotional connections, they are mainly looking for sex and normal talk sometimes bores them; but they go to the clubs and try to form emotional bonds with putas that are there mainly to fuck and have zero interest in bonding with the paying Johns.

(sorry Turgid, I am talking about something unrelated to your main point).

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2575736]Are these real examples of conspicuous and stupid spending that you know of, first hand? Or, are they anecdotes from reading stories here? Seriously, are there mongers visiting FKKs that are taking WGs to expensive shopping? Why?..[/QUOTE]Yes and his monger friends tried to stage an intervention. I will not go into too much detail, but a WG is driving a car that is leased under his name. Shopping may be a more of an indirect way of compensation. If the WG stays with you for a week, I suppose handing over a handful of 100 EUR notes feels less GFE.

"Many guys like to talk to the girls too much in the lounge. It is as if they are trying to form emotional connection with these girls outside the room. I don't get it. You could easily fuck them with a simple 50 right then and there. Guys can be strange too. With their GFs and wives and girls in their real life with whom they have emotional connections, they are mainly looking for sex and normal talk sometimes bores them; but they go to the clubs and try to form emotional bonds with putas that are there mainly to fuck and have zero interest in bonding with the paying John".

One hokker said that a lot of men are actually looking for some emotional bonding. It is not all about sex. If they get a dude hooked, he can be milked for money like hell. Hookers have a few stories and listen to dudes. Maybe the girls actually get some satisfaction from all of this. God knows. Dudes should pinch them selves hard and know where they are.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2575918]Always the same story with guys like you, when the reality is not what you want the reality doesn't exist. There is no covid and no pimps, what a joke. Advice you to stay outside the FKK 30 minutes before opening not on the door but several hundred meters and to see how and with whom the girls come to the FKK. If you really want to help them why not joining 1 of the numerous associations helping girls to go out of prostitution. Why are you asking the authorities to act, you can also act, no monger no prostitution as simple as that.[/QUOTE]

Well, when did I say COVID does not exist?? When did I say no Pimp. I said pimping exist but only a very small percentage and this practice exist everywhere adn can not be eliminated. Not like what you claim that vast majority of them have been pimped. They are self employed that is what the authority, police have agreed upon. Otherwise they have been taking the action to crack this practice down.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2575918]
If you really want to help them why not joining 1 of the numerous associations helping girls to go out of prostitution
Why are you asking the authorities to act, you can also act, no monger no prostitution as simple as that.[/QUOTE]

Aha the cat is out of the bag. You do not need to help people who never ask you for help. Pimping is illegal. If pimping practice exist in the scale you mention it is not the duty of the Charity to help them but it is the authority, police duty to crack them down.

Just to remind you by visiting FKK I am also helping them to achieve what they need while I also got what I need. Is it not wonderful helping each other?? LOL.

Does anyone actually read this nonsensical word salad?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2570762]When I just touched accelerator, after fucking particles filter and electronics repaired, couldn't resist, time to make breathe new engine and to get adrenaline. It was like others were stopped on autobahn. Arrived at 3 pm. Entry is still 50. Still registration proposed to get free fifth entry. But control for test and ID, had to explain to 2 other French, desk ask to control ID to be sure this is own test, when too many Donalds 123 in this business. Took long shower and couldn't help smiling under. Now really good showers, big improvement downstairs. I wouldn't have prepared for me, but omelette, even if their beacon is chorizo for me, but it was tasty. So hot, more than 30 degrees in Koln, girls were so hungry for business when I needed time to be able to jump. When many usual girls and regulars, my first room was at nearly 8. 30 pm, no need to rush, with sexy new Karina. Ro with beautiful natural tits and curvy round ass I noticed. I relaxed her with my usual game. Usual club rate, no increasing like in some other clubs. No podium but fucking bad DJ, when really great staff giving me candies, so when almost didn't sleep on previous night when leaving Paris at 4 am, I went to sleep downstairs, after I ate kebab. Good point, after being sick for nearly 1 month, my belly resisted to Samya foods, so I have now 2 weeks to make energy before starting with highest ranked Iseran with funny donkeys under tunnel with waterfall. I woke up at 3 am and saw again cute girl who often smiled to me since 3 pm I first saw her. Bulgarian so I worried when Bulgarians are not for a Romanian lover like me. But lets try, I would waste only 50 , even I hate to waste money. Came straight to fully kiss me in room, good start, then started to play kind of go go dancer and porn. I did let her play a bit, with pathetic BBBJ which remain standard, when most WGs don t know how to suck, despite her eyes contact game..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2576050]Yes and his monger friends tried to stage an intervention. I will not go into too much detail, but a WG is driving a car that is leased under his name. Shopping may be a more of an indirect way of compensation. If the WG stays with you for a week, I suppose handing over a handful of 100 EUR notes feels less GFE.[/QUOTE]Just jumping in here not really knowing the background of this story. But it kinda illustrates how paying for a girlfriends stuff is basically having a prostitute. Those were the days before women entered the workforce. 100% escorts. For life. Hmm.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2575736]In my experience, being 1 percenter is different from spending like a 1 percenter. The 1 percenters I know in the US (which now takes north of $10 mil net worth to get there) are normal spenders and some are tight fisted bastards. I worked for a hedge fund PM early in my career and it was a small shop with just 5 of us, so I saw him the whole day. He had $100 M of his own money in the funds we managed, plus an absurd amount of other assets but he was a slimebag when it came to parting with his money and availed of free food wherever it was presented (brokers give a lot of free goodies to fund managers and analysts in NYC including free dinners or tickets to nice sporting events etc.).[/QUOTE]Sounds like the 0.01% here also. I know a few of them who even buy used clothes at a used clothes store. How the f do you think they got wealthy in the first place? LOL! By cutting pennies on every single corner throughout everything they do in life of course! That's how our country got so rich. Nuevo rich from newly developed countries may soon get a backlash unless they shift mindsets. But just let them. Then we can get Chinese girls in FKKs soon too. LOL!

Word salad autobiography.

[QUOTE=Ctytek;2576152]Does anyone actually read this nonsensical word salad?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Adindas;2576137]Well, when did I say COVID does not exist?? When did I say no Pimp. I said pimping exist but only a very small percentage and this practice exist everywhere adn can not be eliminated. Not like what you claim that vast majority of them have been pimped. They are self employed that is what the authority, police have agreed upon. Otherwise they have been taking the action to crack this practice down.



Aha the cat is out of the bag. You do not need to help people who never ask you for help. Pimping is illegal. If pimping practice exist in the scale you mention it is not the duty of the Charity to help them but it is the authority, police duty to crack them down.

Just to remind you by visiting FKK I am also helping them to achieve what they need while I also got what I need. Is it not wonderful helping each other?? LOL.[/QUOTE]You are not helping the girls, you are helping yourself. Advice you to try to open a bank account in Germany, without a bank account it is impossible to rent a apartment. Ask the girls if they have AOK, ask them if they have a driving licence and a car. Can you tell me how they transfer the money to their home country? May be by answering those questions you will understand that without a pimp or BF many things are just impossible for most of the girls.

[QUOTE=Ctytek;2576152]Does anyone actually read this nonsensical word salad?[/QUOTE]If you put author on Ignore List, you don't have too read it anymore.

[QUOTE=Maxime;2576262]If you put author on Ignore List, you don't have too read it anymore 😏.[/QUOTE]Exactly what I have done a while ago with with same individual.

[QUOTE=LargeBanana;2576136]"Many guys like to talk to the girls too much in the lounge. It is as if they are trying to form emotional connection with these girls outside the room. I don't get it. You could easily fuck them with a simple 50 right then and there. Guys can be strange too. With their GFs and wives and girls in their real life with whom they have emotional connections, they are mainly looking for sex and normal talk sometimes bores them; but they go to the clubs and try to form emotional bonds with putas that are there mainly to fuck and have zero interest in bonding with the paying John".

One hokker said that a lot of men are actually looking for some emotional bonding. It is not all about sex. If they get a dude hooked, he can be milked for money like hell. Hookers have a few stories and listen to dudes. Maybe the girls actually get some satisfaction from all of this. God knows. Dudes should pinch them selves hard and know where they are.[/QUOTE]

When emotional is getting involved and not the rational, that is where you will get the problem. A lot of them who fall into the marriage scam are involving an old guy with a relatively young girl at the age of their daughters or even their granddaughters. There are a lot of advertisement about this on the internet.

Put yourself on the these relatively young girl shoes. Would you marry a man with the age of your dad or even a grandpa for love?? People do that for money not for love. Sugar daddy arrangement, marriage with old rich dudes hoping them to die soon so they would inherit their wealth.

If the girls are coming from the least developed countries with a poor family background with no skills, and the dude who are not rich but from well-developed countries with good benefit system the marriage might be for a green card, indefinite leave to remain to be able to work and later to get support from taxpayers from the social security / benefit systems.

[QUOTE=LargeBanana;2576136]"Many guys like to talk to the girls too much in the lounge. It is as if they are trying to form emotional connection with these girls outside the room. I don't get it. You could easily fuck them with a simple 50 right then and there. Guys can be strange too. With their GFs and wives and girls in their real life with whom they have emotional connections, they are mainly looking for sex and normal talk sometimes bores them; but they go to the clubs and try to form emotional bonds with putas that are there mainly to fuck and have zero interest in bonding with the paying John".

One hokker said that a lot of men are actually looking for some emotional bonding. It is not all about sex. If they get a dude hooked, he can be milked for money like hell. Hookers have a few stories and listen to dudes. Maybe the girls actually get some satisfaction from all of this. God knows. Dudes should pinch them selves hard and know where they are.[/QUOTE]You are right for real life, reason why so many women try to avoid sex with their partner, because boring to just be a bag to empty balls, as some say, when they would like to reach pleasure. In paid sex, many guys don t have sex in room, but chatting, kind of therapy, some telling about problems with wife to a 20 yo poor Romanian who catch headache. Except very few rooms when I gave up after few minutes and wasted money, I really hate this, I always fuck in room, You fuck more than in 20's guys say many, I hate when they say I m a pornstar, insulting for me, when I don t mind about sex to empty balls, I don t care much when I leave full balls like on Thursday after visiting Sharks and Oase, but I only look for emotions and reactions game in bed, nothing about love if able to understand, but just looking for kind of sex like at home, my game. I drive only for this, when I don t need love nor friends in brothels, but to play good game and I adapt to girls for this, I just need they are pretty enough to attract me, then I can make the job and I love to build from initial average level to following me, then I made good job.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2576020]In my view, girls appreciate polite guys but that's about it. A lot of compliments about looks and post session thank you's etc. Don't do much for the service. These are hard core putas. They have their eyes firmly on the practical. Easy sessions, great money, repeat sessions, a lot of easy extras.

Another observation is that they generally respond more to the body language than any words when you are in the lounge pre session. Guys that are smiling, are loose and look like having a good time are appealing. Stiff guys, unsmiling guys, guys who ask too many questions and wasting time with a lot of synthetic talk, are not so appealing. That said, they still care only about making the most amount of money.

I don't remember this specific girl you are talking of; perhaps I have seen her but don't remember her name. But those are my general observations about club girls.

Many guys like to talk to the girls too much in the lounge. It is as if they are trying to form emotional connection with these girls outside the room. I don't get it. You could easily fuck them with a simple 50 right then and there. Guys can be strange too. With their GFs and wives and girls in their real life with whom they have emotional connections, they are mainly looking for sex and normal talk sometimes bores them; but they go to the clubs and try to form emotional bonds with putas that are there mainly to fuck and have zero interest in bonding with the paying Johns.

(sorry Turgid, I am talking about something unrelated to your main point).[/QUOTE]Very good points. I do observe certain guys who talk to the girl for a very long time sometimes as much as an hour. That continually bemuses me. I generally talk only to girls who I have decided to room with. My talk which is seldom more than 5 minutes is to try to gauge whether I should go with her or not, if she is friendly and I get a good feeling about her then its off to the zimmer. If, like Melissa with the red hair, she shows no interest in talking for just 5 minutes then how will she be in the room for half an hour? If I got good vibes from her I probably would have considered paying her more than the standard price which other posters say she asks for.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2576229]You are not helping the girls, you are helping yourself. Advice you to try to open a bank account in Germany, without a bank account it is impossible to rent a apartment. Ask the girls if they have AOK, ask them if they have a driving licence and a car. Can you tell me how they transfer the money to their home country? May be by answering those questions you will understand that without a pimp or BF many things are just impossible for most of the girls.[/QUOTE]

With COVID-19 they stop working for a while. A few of them keep working as a call girl. When reopening they could decide whether to continue working on FKKS or stop working and find another job. When reopening the chance here is that they will come back to FKKs rather than doing menial job stacking item on the shelves. Also keep in mind they might have children to feed. It is entirely up to them to make that decision.

In FKK they are fully in control. They could easily turn down a request to go to the room. The girls are there to make money and the mongers are looking for puss*es. Everyone gets what they want. Perfect transaction. Everyone is happy: the girl, the monger, the government (getting tax), The police. So where is the problem here.

Regarding your question, I do not know how they transfer the money to their home country,never ask. But you do not need a bank ac to transfer Money from on country to another. There are lof way tranfering money using such as Transferwise, Currency Broker, etc

[QUOTE=OfficeMatt;2576402]LOL okay believe what you want, but that just means more pussy for the rest of us!.[/QUOTE]I'm not vaccinated, even being over 50, I just need negative test, not even in Switzerland, nor in NL I think. But I advice all those who need because at risk, or want, to vaccine, when nobody know about delta spreading and killing. I m not a good example to follow, my advice for my too many followers who are not me.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2576229]You are not helping the girls, you are helping yourself. Advice you to try to open a bank account in Germany, without a bank account it is impossible to rent a apartment. Ask the girls if they have AOK, ask them if they have a driving licence and a car. Can you tell me how they transfer the money to their home country? May be by answering those questions you will understand that without a pimp or BF many things are just impossible for most of the girls.[/QUOTE]So what you are basically saying here is that banks are to blame? Also if you hang around outside an FKK when they close, you will spot quite a few girls driving the own cars. Not everyone of course, but far more than no one. Still, if they were allowed to open a bank account, I am sure more of them would also have had a driver's license.

[QUOTE=JimmyFiddle;2575015]I went to World on Sunday. When I got there the parking lot was not very full, so it was clear that the club would be pretty empty. After the bureaucratic registration stuff and a quick test, I was then allowed into the "holy halls". In the end there were approximately 50 guests and 8-10 girls on site.

A lot of doors were open upstairs and the joint was pretty airy and well ventilated. After 10 months I sweated again in the two indoor saunas. The steam bath was not in use. The indoor pool has given way to a number of new rooms. Now less wellness and more of a focus on core business.

It was apparent that the outside area had been opened hastily. The outside pool is now covered with algae and the lawn has not been mowed for a long time. Outside there are no sunbeds, no seats or seat cushions, no outside bar.

Personally, I don't find the price model Eur10 entry and drinks / food for a fee bad. The drink prices were apparently at the same level as before Corona. The food prices were bar usual.

I never counted more than 6 girls in the main hall, so there were probably only a total of 8-10 girls in the club. All U30's, from skinny to plump, something for every taste. It seemed mainly from the Balkans. A girl with short cropped hair, had a very interesting appearance and would have been worth talking to but unfortunately not seen again after a brief appearance. Too bad!

In summary allow 15 minutes for access formalities including test; do not expect much from the outdoor area. For Eur10 entry after 10 months you will sweat it out again in the zimmer; basic services for girls are available.

On a side note is interesting and conspicuous how some have knocked the new format at World and advertised a new club in Euskirchen. Also at the same time others have praised the big investment made in World.

Jimmy.[/QUOTE]This report is also plagiarized from here: [URL]https://www.lustscout.to/forum/showthread.php?tid=192270[/URL].

Copy pasted into google translate.

Pathetic.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2576229]You are not helping the girls, you are helping yourself. Advice you to try to open a bank account in Germany, without a bank account it is impossible to rent a apartment. Ask the girls if they have AOK, ask them if they have a driving licence and a car. Can you tell me how they transfer the money to their home country? May be by answering those questions you will understand that without a pimp or BF many things are just impossible for most of the girls.[/QUOTE]Very easy for Romanian girls to rent an apartment. Many live in Offenbach where a bulk of the Romanians in Hessen live. It is a well known Romanian stronghold in Frankfurt. Migrants have a way of building subcultures and networks outside of their homelands. They pay fair prices for decent places rented from word of mouth connections. There are others who pay cash prices to rent places at a higher premium. One girl was explaining to me the process that she was undertaking to pass some standardized German language proficiency test that led to some job / work permit status that would allow her to sign a lease with a lower rent when she was able provide proof of employment (She had Sharks management vouch for her employment). The difference was something like 1400 e per month down to 900 e per month.

Many girls use Western Union to send money home. In fact, I've taken one to the Western Union next to the Frankfurt train station and watched her send 1000 e to and account in Romania.

One Bulgarian girl at Welcum told me about how she was carrying a bag with 9000 e and used it as a pillow while riding the train.

And also, is it so for a hard to open a bank account in Germany? Especially now that there are many online banks or the famed N26 banks for foreigners? I have an online bank account with a Belgium address and I just have to connect my domestic American account. Cash can be deposited at many designated third party ATMs throughout Europe. I can just open the app, click "Find ATM" and the app will direct me to a cash machine often located in petrol stations or Rewes. Depositing money is free, card purchases are free, transfers to another currency have a set fee with a fair exchange rate, cash withdrawals have a higher fee.

Most of these are young girls who never had the money to obtain cars and never got driver's licenses. And why would they have a need to get the license and cars when they never lived a life that required driving? As an example, only 25 percent of New Yorkers (City) have a driver's license while 89 percent of the American adults have a driver's license. A girl from Bucharest had little need for a car. A girl from a Romanian village probably never had the money to purchase a car and no need to undergo the expensive process of obtaining a license.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2576504]This report is also plagiarized from here: [URL]https://www.lustscout.to/forum/showthread.php?tid=192270[/URL].

Copy pasted into google translate.

Pathetic.[/QUOTE]I can see this is a violation of some sort of copyright issues, at least in spirit if not legally. Personally, I don't read German forums (Lustscout or whatever else they maybe) so I do like to read these live reports here, especially after 16 months of clubs being shut. That said, I can see that the original author and the forum in which it was presented will feel violated and ripped off. Perhaps if a guy is merely providing translation service, he can post with a link to the external forum and tell us some details about the content of that link, as opposed to blatant plagiarism and no attribution.

Just a thought.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2576504]This report is also plagiarized from here: [URL]https://www.lustscout.to/forum/showthread.php?tid=192270[/URL].

Copy pasted into google translate.

Pathetic.[/QUOTE]Too many fakers in this business.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2576476]So what you are basically saying here is that banks are to blame? Also if you hang around outside an FKK when they close, you will spot quite a few girls driving the own cars. Not everyone of course, but far more than no one. Still, if they were allowed to open a bank account, I am sure more of them would also have had a driver's license.[/QUOTE]I think that you are joking or you should give a visit to your psychiatric. The problem are not the banks or the driving license it is just that most of the girls are legally incapable to live a standard life in Germany. So they are kept in a kind of assistance which will luckily be provide by pimps or like so many good thinking guys are saying the loved boy friend. Yes you are right a minority of girls have their own car but usually with a German plate that means they have solve all the previous issues.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2576476]So what you are basically saying here is that banks are to blame? Also if you hang around outside an FKK when they close, you will spot quite a few girls driving the own cars. Not everyone of course, but far more than no one. Still, if they were allowed to open a bank account, I am sure more of them would also have had a driver's license.[/QUOTE]They can use their drivers license from their home country and also buy money orders and do mail in deposits to their own bank outside Germany.

[QUOTE=MoneySign;2576522]I clicked on that link on my laptop and didn't see where it was plagiarized. Is that the right link (lustscout)? Just wondering. I'm curious how you know he's in Atlanta, Georgia. I agree it'd be pathetic if it turns out to be plagiarizing.[/QUOTE]Hmm, isn't CCP troll-nurse Mursenary also in Atlanta Georgia?

It would definitely fit his agenda of pretending that all is coming back to normal.

In the meantime:

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/30/the-delta-variant-is-spreading-in-europe-and-cant-be-stopped.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]Europe wants to stop the Covid delta variant. But experts say it may already be too late
[/QUOTE]'Enjoy' those FKK clubs with the upselling by the poor quality line-up while you can.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2576229]
Can you tell me how they transfer the money to their home country? May be by answering those questions you will understand that without a pimp or BF many things are just impossible for most of the girls.[/QUOTE]

This is another BS growing bollock. I do not believe that the girls do not have bank account. Many of them have been living in Germany for many years. How come they do not have a German bank ac??

Even they don't have a German Bank AC, keep in mind the girls working in FKKs are from other part of the EU countries. Is there any restriction on how much cash you could carry from Germany to Romania?? Regarding the robbery, you will carry the same level of risk with driving with someone.

See how good the Mongers visiting FKK for the society. The grils could now have enough money to spend for themselves and their family at home. Is it not wonderful ?? lol

[QUOTE=Adindas;2576676]This is another BS growing bollock. I do not believe that the girls do not have bank account. Many of them have been living in Germany for many years. How come they do not have a German bank ac??

Even they don't have a German Bank AC, keep in mind the girls working in FKKs are from other part of the EU countries. Is there any restriction on how much cash you could carry from Germany to Romania?? Regarding the robbery, you will carry the same level of risk with driving with someone.

See how good the Mongers visiting FKK for the society. The grils could now have enough money to spend for themselves and their family at home. Is it not wonderful ?? lol[/QUOTE]A German bank will not open an account unless the person is registered and proves that the house or apartment is in the federal state. In other words one has to live in within a few miles of a bank and be properly registered. I am pretty sure if they wanted a bank account since the Romanians get an EU mobile rights work rights that they can get a bank account without any problem. Also I think the limit of transfer across EU borders is 10,000 euros and since they have the 500 euro note then it is fairly easy to take twenty 500 euro notes back to their home country.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2576467]I'm not vaccinated, even being over 50, I just need negative test, not even in Switzerland, nor in NL I think. But I advice all those who need because at risk, or want, to vaccine, when nobody know about delta spreading and killing. I m not a good example to follow, my advice for my too many followers who are not me.[/QUOTE]I too am not vaccinated. I am hoping that by next year this whole thing will fizzle out and there will be no need to be vaccinated to travel or go anywhere nice. If it becomes a mandatory requirement which is necessary for travel then I will get my shots.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2576690]I too am not vaccinated. I am hoping that by next year this whole thing will fizzle out and there will be no need to be vaccinated to travel or go anywhere nice. If it becomes a mandatory requirement which is necessary for travel then I will get my shots.[/QUOTE]It going to fizzle out when people stop caring. Like Florida and Texas, my friend in Florida say everything is back to normal, pre-covid. They don't even care. Mr fauci said all hell will break loose in Texas and Florida, it never happen. As a scientist, who worked on HIV vaccine, I hope people will stop trusting their scientific bureaucrat.

Unfortunately, covid will never go away because too many people already take the vaccine. If you believe in evolution, I guess most scientist does not, this type of vaccine work. However, it also cause evolutionary pressure. Creating variant that will escape adaptive immunity. There is no going back because too many people already took these vaccine. It is too late.

Our last hope is sunlight and re-purpose drug. Currently they can not approve it because the vaccine will loose it EUA status.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2576676]This is another BS growing bollock. I do not believe that the girls do not have bank account. Many of them have been living in Germany for many years. How come they do not have a German bank ac??

Even they don't have a German Bank AC, keep in mind the girls working in FKKs are from other part of the EU countries. Is there any restriction on how much cash you could carry from Germany to Romania?? Regarding the robbery, you will carry the same level of risk with driving with someone.

See how good the Mongers visiting FKK for the society. The grils could now have enough money to spend for themselves and their family at home. Is it not wonderful ?? lol[/QUOTE]Last post for me on this topic, opening a bank account in Germany is very difficult, maximum cash you can take with you is 10000 and the controls are often and strict. The girls sponsor their pimps who are spending the money with other girls, not with prostitutes. But it seams you know everything better so I let you stay in your dreams.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2576539]Very easy for Romanian girls to rent an apartment. Many live in Offenbach where a bulk of the Romanians in Hessen live. It is a well known Romanian stronghold in Frankfurt. Migrants have a way of building subcultures and networks outside of their homelands. They pay fair prices for decent places rented from word of mouth connections. There are others who pay cash prices to rent places at a higher premium. One girl was explaining to me the process that she was undertaking to pass some standardized German language proficiency test that led to some job / work permit status that would allow her to sign a lease with a lower rent when she was able provide proof of employment (She had Sharks management vouch for her employment). The difference was something like 1400 e per month down to 900 e per month.

Many girls use Western Union to send money home. In fact, I've taken one to the Western Union next to the Frankfurt train station and watched her send 1000 e to and account in Romania.

One Bulgarian girl at Welcum told me about how she was carrying a bag with 9000 e and used it as a pillow while riding the train.[/QUOTE]What a bla bla if you relay on the girls who mostly can t speak or read German to get the right info, you don t want to see the reality it is your problem, advice you next time to go to a bank in Germany and to try to open a bank account may be you will understand better the things.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2576608]Hmm, isn't CCP troll-nurse Mursenary also in Atlanta Georgia?

It would definitely fit his agenda of pretending that all is coming back to normal.[/QUOTE]Normal? I'm fully informed of realities. Quality is down and prices are high right now. But I'm an adult that understand that things that always go your way.

Pretending of coming back to normal? Did you even read his post? Or just another bias, vendetta comment? The post pointed out the weak line up, sausagefest, and inflated prices. Pffft.

Liable and slander of political leanings and occupation just reinforces the bitter grapes of a hurt ego due to incorrect predictions that were influenced by political blinders. I don't know why someone is obviously rooting for clubs to fail just to feed their egos. Most of us are actual mongers who actually want to reclaim the scene. Most seem to be exercising grown-up patience.

Just like with covid predictions, I am using a wait and see approach for Sharks' future. Would hate to be another one of the guys who make these sky is falling, the world is ending predictions.

Regarding the Jimmy guy, I think HessenBub cross posted on ISG and LustScout. I see nothing wrong with him contributing to both forums. But the guy claiming reports from another poster, not cool dude.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2576723]Last post for me on this topic, opening a bank account in Germany is very difficult, maximum cash you can take with you is 10000 and the controls are often and strict. The girls sponsor their pimps who are spending the money with other girls, not with prostitutes. But it seams you know everything better so I let you stay in your dreams.[/QUOTE]I've deposited euros into a German ATM that was routed to my Belgian bank account which is connected to my American bank. No problem at all. I just have to pay a small fee if withdrawing in a currency different than the deposited currency.

How easy is it for a girl to go home every time she wants to take 9999 e? In fact that is what one Welcum girl does. Every time she accrues 9000 e in cash, she takes the train back to Bulgaria. My former regular at Samya hopped on a 100 e Wizzair flight to Romania every time she got up to that much, spends time with family, and is back at work 2 weeks later.

Pimping / Loverboys / Trafficking do / does exist, but I think you listen to too many old stories and anti prostitution news if you can't conceive that GenZ / Millenial girls with smartphones and mobile / online services can't easily launder a mere several thousand Euros in 2021. Then again, my 70 year old mother doesn't know how to use SMS messaging. Generational gap perhaps.

My sentiments exactly, if you are going to use it, at least quote and link the person whose report you've taken rather than just ripping it off.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2576723]Last post for me on this topic, opening a bank account in Germany is very difficult, maximum cash you can take with you is 10000 and the controls are often and strict. The girls sponsor their pimps who are spending the money with other girls, not with prostitutes. But it seams you know everything better so I let you stay in your dreams.[/QUOTE]

EUR10,000 it the cash limit you could take out the EU. THere is no limit within the EU. You talk a lot of thing you yourself do not understand.
[URL]https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/individuals/cash-controls_en[/URL]

Are Romania, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, etc outside the EU?

How could they do check how much cash you take out of Germany (but within the EU) if there is no border??

Regarding opening a german BAnk AC is not that difficult. Even youa re living outsude Germany. Some people living outside Germany yet they could still open a german bank account from challenger bank using Mobile Banking App. Look at N26 for instance. In the past I know Commerz Bank, DKB bank also allow people outside Germany to open a German bank account. Verification is only done using app, no need to travel to Germany.

I am talking about fact you are talking a lot of things you have make up yourself to demonise mongers.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2576723]Last post for me on this topic, opening a bank account in Germany is very difficult, maximum cash you can take with you is 10000 and the controls are often and strict. The girls sponsor their pimps who are spending the money with other girls, not with prostitutes. But it seams you know everything better so I let you stay in your dreams.[/QUOTE]Good it is your last post because you show us that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I could educate about how banks in Europe work but I would guess that would ruin your agenda.

[QUOTE=McGrath;2576771]Good it is your last post because you show us that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I could educate about how banks in Europe work but I would guess that would ruin your agenda.[/QUOTE]And you about what do you ideas, stupidity has no borders and limit, I am really wondering how you will open a bank account in Germany without a validated address in Germany.

[QUOTE=McGrath;2576771]Good it is your last post because you show us that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I could educate about how banks in Europe work but I would guess that would ruin your agenda.[/QUOTE]But you and I know that in a few days he'll be back repeating the same ramblings ad nauseam.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2576689]Thanks for the correction. He posted during the Golden age of FKKs when he used to give an almost daily account of the girls who were available at FKKs. He subsequently moved to Thailand. He stopped posting when covid struck in March 2020 and Sirioja has since overtaken him in most posts on ISG.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately this is the case. Is there any way that we can limit the quantity of posts by 'S'.

I have no intention of causing bad feeling. For those who take this forum as a useful informative tool you will understand where I am coming from.

Even prior to Covid the excessive posts of non informative drivel by 'S' has completely dominated the forum.

I for one would like to see a return to regular updates on daily visits to Sharks and reading about the Good and Bad experiences had.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2576609]In the meantime:

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/30/the-delta-variant-is-spreading-in-europe-and-cant-be-stopped.html[/URL]

'Enjoy' those FKK clubs with the upselling by the poor quality line-up while you can.[/QUOTE]Coward,

You're so scared it's hard to understand.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2575577]and China is laughing and the economy is booming.[/QUOTE]Glad to hear the CCP tool is approving of his masters' genocide. Way to go.

I just want to say. It's nice having some of the normal posters back. It's been a struggle this past year on the boards.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2576690]I too am not vaccinated. I am hoping that by next year this whole thing will fizzle out and there will be no need to be vaccinated to travel or go anywhere nice. If it becomes a mandatory requirement which is necessary for travel then I will get my shots.[/QUOTE]I'm afraid we will have to live for a while now with mutants, but I will give my best to make my Summer great sporty and would be so happy to ski on next Winter, after 2 so sad Winter.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2576728]What a bla bla if you relay on the girls who mostly can t speak or read German to get the right info, you don t want to see the reality it is your problem, advice you next time to go to a bank in Germany and to try to open a bank account may be you will understand better the things.[/QUOTE]Advice to you is to actually watch a girl go into a Western Union and watch her send money to Romania.

Advice to you is to google online bank or N26. Welcome to 2021.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2576772]And you about what do you ideas, stupidity has no borders and limit, I am really wondering how you will open a bank account in Germany without a validated address in Germany.[/QUOTE]"[URL]https://www.auswandern-handbuch.de/how-to-open-a-german-bank-account-for-non-residents/[/URL].

Is it possible to open a bank account in Germany without a residence?

Such an account is indeed possible, but only few banks allow to open such an account. ".

DKB, N26, Comdirect Allow that.

"A bank account can be opened at DKB (direct bank subsidiary of Bayerische Landesbank) without domicile in Germany. Another supplier is Comdirect. With N26 I would also like to include a third provider in the comparison; the bank is now active in 23 European countries.

Another info about N26 is available here:

[URL]https://nomadgate.com/open-n26-account/[/URL]

DKB and Comdirect are becoming more difficult now, but it is still possible. N26 is more common as it is a Mobile banking basis. All verification and your overseas addresses are done through online verification. Of course, they will only approve application with verifiable address overseas to comply with money laundry regulation.

I know a few people who own N26 Bank to get EURO bank account for transaction without residency in Germany.

Do not talk about things you do not understand and where you only have limited knowledge. The same thing when you try to tell a BS demonising people on ISG visiting FKKS that "VAST MAJORITY" of the girls working on FKKs have been pimped.

Also try to grow bollock that FKK girls can not carry EUR10,000+ cash out of Germany to their home countries within the EU and therefore need their pimps to drive them home.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2576229]Can you tell me how they transfer the money to their home country? May be by answering those questions you will understand that without a pimp or BF many things are just impossible for most of the girls.[/QUOTE]Go to any postoffice in 'Germoney' and you'll see it's full of 'refugees' and other people who operate in the grey-black market.

The reason: Western Union!

Again, more uninformed crying from ExpatLover.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2576796]Coward,

You're so scared it's hard to understand.[/QUOTE]No you moron, I'm not a coward who has been crying for a "vaccine" and "lockdowns" for 15 months! If you'd bothered to read (and understand) my posts, I've been calling this entire Scamdemic a giant HOAX!

Blame Mursenary, BigBuddy69, Sirioja, and RockyV who have been crying about "millions of deaths" since March last year and who support lockdowns and vaccines!

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2576789]But you and I know that in a few days he'll be back repeating the same ramblings ad nauseam.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ExpatLover;2576723]Last post for me on this topic, opening a bank account in Germany is very difficult, maximum cash you can take with you is 10000 and the controls are often and strict.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ExpatLover;2576728]What a bla bla if you relay on the girls who mostly can t speak or read German to get the right info, you don t want to see the reality it is your problem, advice you next time[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ExpatLover;2576772]And you about what do you ideas, stupidity has no borders and limit, I am really wondering how you will open a bank account in Germany without a validated address in Germany.[/QUOTE]So wrong BB, he made it only 7 minutes. And then again an hour later.

I don't know how way, but for sure Romanians can send much more than 10 000 € home, heard about kind of Western Union but other, or hiding in luggage? I knew Romanians who made big money and didn't live in Germany, but returned monthly or every 2/3 months. I remember one who bought a new car for a bit more than 15.000, not for her, with her first for a bit less than 1 month earning at LR. She had to return to be fucked after 10 days rather than staying 1 month with family as she claimed.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2576830]I'm afraid we will have to live for a while now with mutants, but I will give my best to make my Summer great sporty and would be so happy to ski on next Winter, after 2 so sad Winter.[/QUOTE]Even if it is vaccinated or not the the pandemic will get diluted and settle like winter flu. Few mutants sometimes and symptomatic medications for it. Acquired immunity will also play a role in future. Global acclimatization mentally and physically get into the population.

[URL]https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/singapore-plans-out-transition-to-new-normal-life-with-covid-19-pendemic-121062400135_1.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Perfectionist;2576793]Unfortunately this is the case. Is there any way that we can limit the quantity of posts by 'S'.

I have no intention of causing bad feeling. For those who take this forum as a useful informative tool you will understand where I am coming from.

Even prior to Covid the excessive posts of non informative drivel by 'S' has completely dominated the forum.

I for one would like to see a return to regular updates on daily visits to Sharks and reading about the Good and Bad experiences had.[/QUOTE]I had an argument about this and I have sadly sacked but the moderation so it looks that there is nothing we can do.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2577057]Even if it is vaccinated or not the the pandemic will get diluted and settle like winter flu. Few mutants sometimes and symptomatic medications for it. Acquired immunity will also play a role in future. Global acclimatization mentally and physically get into the population.

[URL]https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/singapore-plans-out-transition-to-new-normal-life-with-covid-19-pendemic-121062400135_1.html[/URL][/QUOTE]When you see delta very fast spreading in high vaccinated rate UK, and EU worrying about fourth wave on this Summer under delta, not finished yet. But Germany seem to allow again UK who were forbidden since a while.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2576736]I've deposited euros into a German ATM that was routed to my Belgian bank account which is connected to my American bank. No problem at all. I just have to pay a small fee if withdrawing in a currency different than the deposited currency.

How easy is it for a girl to go home every time she wants to take 9999 e? In fact that is what one Welcum girl does. Every time she accrues 9000 e in cash, she takes the train back to Bulgaria. My former regular at Samya hopped on a 100 e Wizzair flight to Romania every time she got up to that much, spends time with family, and is back at work 2 weeks later.

Pimping / Loverboys / Trafficking do / does exist, but I think you listen to too many old stories and anti prostitution news if you can't conceive that GenZ / Millenial girls with smartphones and mobile / online services can't easily launder a mere several thousand Euros in 2021. Then again, my 70 year old mother doesn't know how to use SMS messaging. Generational gap perhaps.[/QUOTE]Hopefully they can time their periods to coincide with the monthly deposit cycle of 9999 euros.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2576689]He stopped posting when covid struck in March 2020 and Sirioja has since overtaken him in most posts on ISG.[/QUOTE]Overtaken in quantity, not in quality.

[QUOTE=Perfectionist;2576793]Unfortunately this is the case. Is there any way that we can limit the quantity of posts by 'S'.

I have no intention of causing bad feeling. For those who take this forum as a useful informative tool you will understand where I am coming from.

Even prior to Covid the excessive posts of non informative drivel by 'S' has completely dominated the forum.

I for one would like to see a return to regular updates on daily visits to Sharks and reading about the Good and Bad experiences had.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with your sentiments.

Although this site continues to add informative posts which help us all in our hobby I do find there are more totally irrelevant posts than before, thus diluting the quality of information that we all use and value. Well I do!

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2576721]It going to fizzle out when people stop caring. Like Florida and Texas, my friend in Florida say everything is back to normal, pre-covid. They don't even care. Mr fauci said all hell will break loose in Texas and Florida, it never happen. As a scientist, who worked on HIV vaccine, I hope people will stop trusting their scientific bureaucrat.

Unfortunately, covid will never go away because too many people already take the vaccine. If you believe in evolution, I guess most scientist does not, this type of vaccine work. However, it also cause evolutionary pressure. Creating variant that will escape adaptive immunity. There is no going back because too many people already took these vaccine. It is too late.

Our last hope is sunlight and re-purpose drug. Currently they can not approve it because the vaccine will loose it EUA status.[/QUOTE]Ladies and gents, this is what watching Fox and QAnon does to your brain: It will turn it into jam!

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2576893]No you moron, I'm not a coward who has been crying for a "vaccine" and "lockdowns" for 15 months! If you'd bothered to read (and understand) my posts, I've been calling this entire Scamdemic a giant HOAX!

Blame Mursenary, BigBuddy69, Sirioja, and RockyV who have been crying about "millions of deaths" since March last year and who support lockdowns and vaccines![/QUOTE]Will just continue to blame you for falsely claiming that we will never see the inside of an FKK in 2021. The sky is in fact not falling.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2576721]It going to fizzle out when people stop caring. Like Florida and Texas, my friend in Florida say everything is back to normal, pre-covid. They don't even care. Mr fauci said all hell will break loose in Texas and Florida, it never happen. As a scientist, who worked on HIV vaccine, I hope people will stop trusting their scientific bureaucrat.

Unfortunately, covid will never go away because too many people already take the vaccine. If you believe in evolution, I guess most scientist does not, this type of vaccine work. However, it also cause evolutionary pressure. Creating variant that will escape adaptive immunity. There is no going back because too many people already took these vaccine. It is too late.

Our last hope is sunlight and re-purpose drug. Currently they can not approve it because the vaccine will loose it EUA status.[/QUOTE]People who believe in this level of misinformation are only serving to prolong these restrictions. And please tell us of this HIV vaccine that you worked on and that doesn't exist. Clearly the education system has failed.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2576852]I don't know your ghosts, but I heard on my visit and read exactly same than my experience by another who at least visited and wrote on Samya thread. A bit same than your French bald friend here writing about Samya without visiting, just fake. I answered you for early October before snow, to climb up to legendary Verbier. Ch, when Zoncolan is too far to drive for you, but I will be around mid August, for my holidays. Made driving runs very often up to Verbier, but never bicycle climbed. But I m sure much more difficult than Koln forrest. Good example is one of the best VTT racer, aiming Tokyo gold medal, but on only small mountains, not my highest ranked legends, not even Verbier, he exploded far behind, despite his yellow suit, not even going on next day. Not same sport, only marathon can compete with bicycle climbing when your heart will be in full charge for hours.[/QUOTE]Yeah, you do. And as the German slogan states, G, G, G. Tested, recovered, or vaccinated. Verified by all boots on the ground except for your claims. Germany later this month and anywhere in Europe in late early October. Just pick. I can travel anywhere.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2576970]So wrong BB, he made it only 7 minutes. And then again an hour later.[/QUOTE]One must live a very sad, empty and bitter life to take the time to write everyday 10 posts to say that prostitutes are evil and that all the clubs are no go.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2576721]It going to fizzle out when people stop caring. Like Florida and Texas, my friend in Florida say everything is back to normal, pre-covid. They don't even care. Mr fauci said all hell will break loose in Texas and Florida, it never happen. As a scientist, who worked on HIV vaccine, I hope people will stop trusting their scientific bureaucrat.

Unfortunately, covid will never go away because too many people already take the vaccine. If you believe in evolution, I guess most scientist does not, this type of vaccine work. However, it also cause evolutionary pressure. Creating variant that will escape adaptive immunity. There is no going back because too many people already took these vaccine. It is too late.

Our last hope is sunlight and re-purpose drug. Currently they can not approve it because the vaccine will loose it EUA status.[/QUOTE]Exactly right! Sweden, Texas, Russia, Florida, Belarus, Nicaragua, and lot's of other countries and states seem to have no problems, despite having removed most-all restrictions.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2577157]Ladies and gents, this is what watching Fox and QAnon does to your brain: It will turn it into jam![/QUOTE]Why? Look at the hard facts, instead of socialist brainwashing and ideology that you prefer to believe. The cold hard truth is that Covid 1984 has the same mortality as the normal seasonal flu: [URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL].

Page 7 of Professor John Ioannidis's research:

[QUOTE]For people < 70 years old, the infection fatality rate of COVId-19 across 40 locations with
available data ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% (median 0.05%); the corrected values were similar.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2577185]Will just continue to blame you for falsely claiming that we will never see the inside of an FKK in 2021. The sky is in fact not falling.[/QUOTE]I predicted that summer 2021 would be not much different than summer 2020, and so far I'm spot on. I also predicted that autumn 2021 will be very similar to autumn 2020, in other words: closures and more lockdowns. Let's see what happens and what the next "wave" and the next "mutations. "will bring.

So far I don't see any reason to visit an FKK club; a sausage fest, poor line up, bad service, rip-off prices, and filling out registration forms. Feel free to waste money flying to Europe! LOL!

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2576893]No you moron, I'm not a coward who has been crying for a "vaccine" and "lockdowns" for 15 months! If you'd bothered to read (and understand) my posts, I've been calling this entire Scamdemic a giant HOAX!

Blame Mursenary, BigBuddy69, Sirioja, and RockyV who have been crying about "millions of deaths" since March last year and who support lockdowns and vaccines![/QUOTE]I think I'm very different from others you list, when I don't know Rocky, but yes, so many deaths or people losing their job, quite often killed my mood and I advice all those who need or want to vaccine, when we will have more deaths. Catalunya is already falling under new restrictions, new delta cases explode in UK, I m surprised Germany decide to allow UK now.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2577062]I had an argument about this and I have sadly sacked but the moderation so it looks that there is nothing we can do.[/QUOTE]So easy, just don't read me.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2577219]I predicted that summer 2021 would be not much different than summer 2020, and so far I'm spot on.[/QUOTE]Actually it's very different because all of the major clubs of Hesse are open or will open soon, most of the clubs of NRW are open.

Finca and the other clubs around are open, the clubs from Saarland are open.

But I know you have some trouble with reality as soon as it doesn't fit your paranoid right wing agenda. Remember when you claimed that the mortality rate from covid was the same as the flu?

As for autumn, if all the paranoid brainwashed weirdos like you don't get their shots, we'll back to lockdown and Co. Here is my suggestion: the paranoid bozos stay home so they don't breed a new variant, and for the people with a functioning brain it's back to normal.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2577219]I predicted that summer 2021 would be not much different than summer 2020, and so far I'm spot on. I also predicted that autumn 2021 will be very similar to autumn 2020, in other words: closures and more lockdowns. Let's see what happens and what the next "wave" and the next "mutations. "will bring.

So far I don't see any reason to visit an FKK club; a sausage fest, poor line up, bad service, rip-off prices, and filling out registration forms. Feel free to waste money flying to Europe! LOL![/QUOTE]"Let's see?" As in suggesting patience as events unfold before Mr Hooker Nostradamus here predicts the end of the monger world? Doesn't seem like you. Are you sure you're feeling okay?

Anyway, diverting from your most freak-out prediction huh?

Look, I found another post all the way from January where you predicted complete 2021 closures. (And of course my favorite quote that I will repeatedly remind you.).

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2525813]Keep on hoping against hope that in 2021 FKK clubs will open, because the future is looking increasingly dark.

Guys, if ANY of you want to see the inside of an FKK club again in your lives, you'd better wake up and stop believing the fearmongers, because this is no longer about a virus. It doesn't matter how many "vaccines" you're willing to take, this is about establishing a fascist technocratic regime.


Forget about any FKK visits in 2021 (or 2022) boys, unless you wake up and start resisting the lies and the propaganda! This will be an endless game of lockdowns, travel restrictions, and "vaccines."[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HammerTime96;2531143][b]You can write off 2021. (and probably 2022 as well)[/b]

Want to go mongering in Germany in 2021? Forget about it, and probably forget about 2022 as well! Don't forget to thank the usual suspects (working for Big Pharma!) & scaremongers on this forum!
[/QUOTE]No shame, no honor. Just as bad as Siri and EPL. Perpetual refusal to admit error when one is called out on his bullshit despite the documented and in-our-face quotable lies.

Not even the balls to admit error like an honorable man. Just more whining like a 9 year old child that got embarrassed.

[QUOTE=DaWong949;2577216]Gentleman,

Do I need test at entrance if I have fully vaccinated?

It used to be a train directly from Frankfurt HBF to Darmsdadt north every two hrs. Is it still valid? I could not find that route anymore from RMV site.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Discussed thoroughly in this thread. Every source except Siri says just vax. Use that info how you see fit.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2577121]Yes, this is a very similar long term view that I have.

I'll ride it out until people finally wake up and get sick of the masks that don't work, the lockdowns that don't work, social distancing doesn't work, and the vaccines that don't work which could have potentially very serious side effects. By next year, more will be known about long term side effects of vaccines.[/QUOTE]And more will be known about long term effects of Covid. Lungs fucked up for good, no more taste or smell, permanent state of fatigue.

They will all say a big thank you to the jerks who maybe gave them the virus because they're living in a fantasy world where Stalin still tries to rule the universe.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2577260]I think I'm very different from others you list, when I don't know Rocky, but yes, so many deaths or people losing their job, quite often killed my mood and I advice all those who need or want to vaccine, when we will have more deaths. Catalunya is already falling under new restrictions, new delta cases explode in UK, I m surprised Germany decide to allow UK now.[/QUOTE]Yes, much more crazy and less education.

Did you pick a place yet? Still waiting.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2577275]And more will be known about long term effects of Covid. Lungs fucked up for good, no more taste or smell, permanent state of fatigue.

They will all say a big thank you to the jerks who maybe gave them the virus because they're living in a fantasy world where Stalin still tries to rule the universe.[/QUOTE]It's funny how I've had COVID and yet I manage to run 10 k faster than before, feel taste and smell and I'm no way in any "permanent state of fatigue".

Hypochondria is a real thing.

I know that all the newly unemployed and children / youths deprived of a normal childhood would like to thank selfish "jerks" like you.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2576721].....Our last hope is sunlight and re-purpose drug.....[/QUOTE]I do not believe in the sunlight theory. India got the worst covid 19 infections in the world during their hottest time of the year.

Apparently some people don't believe in evolution. Let take a look at it from a evolution perspective, remember, it is all about survive. What we do know. This virus spread in door and close proximity. What do we know from other virus such as HIV, the mathematical model was wrong because they didn't calculate how people behavior would change (without government regulation).

Now we have a large population that is already scare and freak out about covid. Without a vaccine, a lot of people wear already wear mask, social distant (without government regulation). People behavior will cause an evolution pressure which will forces the virus into been more infectious (bad). However, less pathogenic (good). Less pathogenic mean less likely to get detected.

With this type of vaccine (which does not prevent transmitting, but allow some transmitting) it will force the virus into been more infectious (same as above). However, it will also force the virus in to figure a way to escape the adaptive immunity. The virus that figure it out are more likely to survive.

[QUOTE=OfficeMatt;2577186]People who believe in this level of misinformation are only serving to prolong these restrictions. And please tell us of this HIV vaccine that you worked on and that doesn't exist. Clearly the education system has failed.[/QUOTE]No, I can not tell you about the vaccine that I gave up on because it will be relative easy to figure out who I'm. I didn't really gave up because it fail. I gave up because there was too much BS and I knew, I could put up with it.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2577275]And more will be known about long term effects of Covid. Lungs fucked up for good, no more taste or smell, permanent state of fatigue.

They will all say a big thank you to the jerks who maybe gave them the virus because they're living in a fantasy world where Stalin still tries to rule the universe.[/QUOTE]We ALL want this mess over. If you have the extreme luxury of getting a vaccine, for the love of god, please get it. It is the ONLY thing that will bring the world back to normal. Most of the world, including most of the mongering third world, would give their right arm for the vaccine and we are still acting like spoiled children who don't realize how insanely lucky we are. No vaccine side effects have ever shown up late in the history of vaccines. All side effects were evident within the first weeks of the injection. Don't miss out on a lifesaving treatment while you are worrying about imaginary risks. Get the vaccine and go live your life!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2577304]I do not believe in the sunlight theory. India got the worst covid 19 infections in the world during their hottest time of the year.[/QUOTE]By sunlight. I mean vitamin the. Darker skin people need more sunlight. In there country, people try to stay out of the sun. And no, it will not prevent covid. But people will be less sick.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2576504]This report is also plagiarized from here: [URL]https://www.lustscout.to/forum/showthread.php?tid=192270[/URL].[/QUOTE]Ofc, you should be applauded for posting the original source.

But it seems like lots of ISGers are outraged. If LSH receives advertisement revenue based on clicks, I could see the operators of LSH being upset that content was re-posted on another forum without their permission. I could also understand the original author, Ale3 x on LSH, being upset, since he invested time to write the report and received no attribution from the plagiarizer. But even then, the plagiarizer gained nothing of tangible value and the original author lost nothing of tangible value. It's not like a song or a business idea was stolen here.

What strikes me as peculiar is that the plagiarizer made zero effort to conceal his plagiarism (rephrasing, paraphrasing, date changes, combining from multiple field reports). If it was truly verbatim, that that suggests he did attempt to misinform or mislead (shill for a specific club). He must have known he would be caught. Perhaps his motive was to simply elicit a reaction from us. Or perhaps he just craves attention, even if its negative attention.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2577319]Apparently some people don't believe in evolution. Let take a look at it from a evolution perspective, remember, it is all about survive. What we do know. This virus spread in door and close proximity. What do we know from other virus such as HIV, the mathematical model was wrong because they didn't calculate how people behavior would change (without government regulation).

Now we have a large population that is already scare and freak out about covid. Without a vaccine, a lot of people wear already wear mask, social distant (without government regulation). People behavior will cause an evolution pressure which will forces the virus into been more infectious (bad). However, less pathogenic (good). Less pathogenic mean less likely to get detected.

With this type of vaccine (which does not prevent transmitting, but allow some transmitting) it will force the virus into been more infectious (same as above). However, it will also force the virus in to figure a way to escape the adaptive immunity. The virus that figure it out are more likely to survive.[/QUOTE]That's straight academia and does not happen in reality. There will be evolutionary pressure both ways, naturally or through vaccination. Gravitation will be towards more infectious and less pathogenic sure, but natural pressure will cause more variants and if left unchecked, odds will be that the same pathogenicity would eventually arise. In the mean time, more mortality due to longer time variable. Vaccination if meeting critical mass, actually gives us a shot of nipping it in the bud and actually stops the pandemic before the death toll is too great.

The last paragraph is straight boloney and makes a connection without actually connecting the dots. It's an attempt to sound knowledgeable. Vague comment that uses clinical terms but actually doesn't make sense.

Lastly, explain your theory in regards to Polio and measles. Why does it not apply? Both are faster mutating RNA viruses. Vaccines were / are quite effective for them. No super lethal measle or polio came to be. No vaccines completely stamps out transmission. They reduce transmission at the population level. (That's another clue that you're kinda fluffing your post).

Science people spreading science misinformation is worse than layman's nonsensical ramblings. Reader should not credit someone with basic academic knowledge with a working knowledge of epidemiology and population level virology.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2577262]Up to Verbier in Wallis Switzerland on early October before snow risk and ask all your ghosts to come to support you. 2 hours from Cleo, 3 hours from Globe. I read for GGG, but not what I heard from Samya desk, when at least I really visited, not only hearing in corridors.[/QUOTE]Okay! No ghosts, only me. Unless they want to come video. Now just a hard date and a wager. I propose 4th October. Entry and 1 hour room at Sharks.

No corridor, needed. Live humans who visited Samya say differently. Called Sharks directly, they say differently. Websites say differently. G,G,G Geimpft, genesen oder getestet. Key word is "oder," as in English "or," French "ou alors. " Vaccine, Recovery, [B]OR[/B] test.

Funny how so many questions can be answered by just picking up the telephone can calling the clubs directly.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2577324]What strikes me as peculiar is that the plagiarizer made zero effort to conceal his plagiarism (rephrasing, paraphrasing, date changes, combining from multiple field reports). If it was truly verbatim, that that suggests he did attempt to misinform or mislead (shill for a specific club). He must have known he would be caught. Perhaps his motive was to simply elicit a reaction from us. Or perhaps he just craves attention, even if its negative attention.[/QUOTE]2nd theory. Poster is attempting to create senior member account here on ISG by ripping off other good trip reports and was stealing content.

We are here for some info. Those sharing info do it out of genuine interest to make life better for fellow mongers. So what if someone takes a copy. Paste from another forum and posts it here. I appreciate it. What is important is that the information is true, honest and without self interest (sellers).

Many guys in this business are not able for more than faking, not visiting clubs but writing about, no able with girls but bullshiting, this is land of frustrations and jealousy, when it should be to get pleasure, just because guys are not able to understand we get more positive when we play on our own level, than when You want to follow on upper level, but You are not able. I don't care what do others, I only play my game. Don t be a follower, You are not the model, most often You won't experience same. I smile and am happy when guys need to tell me they don't understand what I find to always go with a girl.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2577292]Yes, much more crazy and less education.

Did you pick a place yet? Still waiting.[/QUOTE]For third time written here, up to legendary Verbier. Ch on early October. Never bicycle climbed, only car runs when going to free ride, and I promise I won't climb before. Surprise for both, but you can watch how Contador exploded Armstrong I think on 2006/2007. Will wait for You, your ghosts, French bald and the one from Zurich who never answered for Gran San Bernardino, but too late on October, but I will be there on August and also in Zoncolan not far from Wellcum, for my great holidays, when so happy my belly seem to go better now. So as soon Winter finish, I will go in my paradise.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2577275]And more will be known about long term effects of Covid. Lungs fucked up for good, no more taste or smell, permanent state of fatigue.

They will all say a big thank you to the jerks who maybe gave them the virus because they're living in a fantasy world where Stalin still tries to rule the universe.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you're advocating for more lockdowns when new mutations come. Coward!

[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2577321]We ALL want this mess over. If you have the extreme luxury of getting a vaccine, for the love of god, please get it. It is the ONLY thing that will bring the world back to normal. Most of the world, including most of the mongering third world, would give their right arm for the vaccine and we are still acting like spoiled children who don't realize how insanely lucky we are. No vaccine side effects have ever shown up late in the history of vaccines. All side effects were evident within the first weeks of the injection. Don't miss out on a lifesaving treatment while you are worrying about imaginary risks. Get the vaccine and go live your life![/QUOTE]In all western countries and China. There is no luxury to get a vaccine. There are more vaccines available than candidates. I could make a appointment for the same day and could choose my vaccine. The problem is that the vaccines are not more efficient that the one for the normal flue which was predictable but so many lobbyist around explaining that they were efficient 95%, what I never believed. The forth wave is already on the way to Europe and probably new restriction measures will be implemented in the coming weeks.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2577360]+1 - I had covid last year and whilst unpleasant I am fitter and stronger now that I have ever been and have zero continuing effects. I count myself very lucky as many do have problems but it is too much of a generalisation to say it will affect all in future.[/QUOTE]I never said that everyone will be affected but according to the HAS (haute autorite de la sante), 10 % of the people who suffered from covid still experience symptoms 6 months after. And for the moment no one knows if they will fully recover. Losing a big part of your breathing ability for the rest of your life, I don't think that's something very enjoyable.

As for the gloomy long term side effects of the vaccines, it never occurred before. All the side effects always appeared before 2 months. So no I don't think that I'll become magnetic or sterile, but I think that I will be able to see my parents again without fearing that I could infect them.

[URL]https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2021-06/p-vdm052721.php[/URL]

Except the fact that it doesn't seem to work so well and that the people promoting the use of vitamin the seem to have some financial interest in selling truckloads of vitamin d.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2577473]Sounds like you're advocating for more lockdowns when new mutations come. Coward![/QUOTE]Lockdowns for you and your kind because you're so dumb we have to protect you against your will.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2577459]For third time written here, up to legendary Verbier. Ch on early October. Never bicycle climbed, only car runs when going to free ride, and I promise I won't climb before. Surprise for both, but you can watch how Contador exploded Armstrong I think on 2006/2007. Will wait for You, your ghosts, French bald and the one from Zurich who never answered for Gran San Bernardino, but too late on October, but I will be there on August and also in Zoncolan not far from Wellcum, for my great holidays, when so happy my belly seem to go better now. So as soon Winter finish, I will go in my paradise.[/QUOTE]Okay! Verbier! 4th October. Wager? 1 hour room and entry? Or more? Let's go!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2577459]and the one from Zurich who never answered for Gran San Bernardino, ... [/QUOTE]I answered, I have zero interest to meet a faker, a person who lives in his own imaginary world, somebody so needy to get approval for his imaginary actions for which he never shows any proof.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2577473]Sounds like you're advocating for more lockdowns when new mutations come.[/QUOTE]The more infections there are, the larger the chance to have more mutations. People who are against vaccinations are contributing directly to new mutations.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2577101]Hopefully they can time their periods to coincide with the monthly deposit cycle of 9999 euros.[/QUOTE]

Well, there is no limit of the cash you could carry from one country to another country within the EU. The EUR10,000 (or equivalent) is only applicable if you take it out the EU. Every country does that to comply with money laundry regulation.

[URL]https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custom...sh-controls_en[/URL]

Romania, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic are in the EU so there is no limit the money they could take out of Germany. Also how could the authority checks how much money they take out of Germany if there is no border control in the schengen areas within the EU.

Those discussion only comes into surface as someone keeps saying that these FKK girls are controlled by their pimps and the FKK girls could not do anything including carrying cash of EUR10.000+ to their home countries without involving their pimps.

You will often see the statement like this in this ISG.

"If you really want to help them (e. G tutes) why not joining one of the numerous associations helping girls to go out of prostitution?"

If most of the girls in FKKs were pimped then the FKK owners and mongers visiting FKK are taking part in activities against society. Pimping is a form of controlling and coercion of someone and borderline with trafficking. In many countries, it is illegal to have sex with someone who have been controlled or coerced. Also it will give ammunition to "Femem" who wants to find a good reason to justify banning prostituion.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2577609]Well, there is no limit of the cash you could carry from one country to another country within the EU. The EUR10,000 (or equivalent) is only applicable if you take it out the EU. Every country does that to comply with money laundry regulation.

[URL]https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custom...sh-controls_en[/URL]

Romania, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic are in the EU so there is no limit the money they could take out of Germany. Also how could the authority checks how much money they take out of Germany if there is no border control in the schengen areas within the EU.

Those discussion only comes into surface as someone keeps saying that these FKK girls are controlled by their pimps and the FKK girls could not do anything including carrying cash of EUR10.000+ to their home countries without involving their pimps.

You will often see the statement like this in this ISG.

"If you really want to help them (e. G tutes) why not joining one of the numerous associations helping girls to go out of prostitution?"

If most of the girls in FKKs were pimped then the FKK owners and mongers visiting FKK are taking part in activities against society. Pimping is a form of controlling and coercion of someone and borderline with trafficking. In many countries, it is illegal to have sex with someone who have been controlled or coerced. Also it will give ammunition to "Femem" who wants to find a good reason to justify banning prostituion.[/QUOTE]The limit is 10000 euros Mister I know everything. I don t want to waste my time with guys like you who probably are not able to put 500000 euro in cash on the table. Wish you a great life in your illusions.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2568449]Swiss brothels don t ask to be vaccined, they don t even ask negative test, to welcome us, [/QUOTE]I much prefer to go to a club that ONLY allows fully vaccinated customers, girls, and staff. If someone is too lazy to vaccinate they should stay home.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2577101]Hopefully they can time their periods to coincide with the monthly deposit cycle of 9999 euros.[/QUOTE]Yes of course and what about the period of stupidity from some mongers?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2577634]I much prefer to go to a club that ONLY allows fully vaccinated customers, girls, and staff. If someone is too lazy to vaccinate they should stay home.[/QUOTE]You think girls are vaccinated? I don't know any club which select only vaccinated. Maybe GT, but he died from vaccine: bad luck. If you are afraid of covid, my advice is to stay away from FKK land which is a real playfield for virus and now delta.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2577581]Okay! Verbier! 4th October. Wager? 1 hour room and entry? Or more? Let's go![/QUOTE]Already answered elsewhere, but again, on Saturday 2 or 9 , because I can't plan yet my job on October. Wish from Zurich who knows girls before they start in a club, will come to make his own strava, when I will climb topless for him if not raining.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2577292]Yes, much more crazy and less education.

Did you pick a place yet? Still waiting.[/QUOTE]You really didn't impress me for your cleverness, from what you showed and told me when I didn't ask you anything, but you knew I was her regular on her start on end of February 2016 , and you needed to tell me. But after 1 month, when she claimed in the club she was my number 1, I had to choose Megan and I never regretted, keeping on with Megan who is a bit prettier and much less crazy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2577634]I much prefer to go to a club that ONLY allows fully vaccinated customers, girls, and staff. If someone is too lazy to vaccinate they should stay home.[/QUOTE]I'm vaccinated for my own good, but you do realize that vaccinated people can still be carrier of any variant of Covid, just that likely won't be suffering much if gets the virus, right? Other people literally don't have any benefit from someone vaccinated, so why do you care if someone else is vaccinated or not?

So long for the 'this is my last post'. Addicted to paysex forums, what a miserable condition.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2577631]The limit is 10000 euros Mister I know everything. I don t want to waste my time with guys like you who probably are not able to put 500000 euro in cash on the table. Wish you a great life in your illusions.[/QUOTE]Nope. Stubbornly incorrect. Per German embassy, you are not obligated to declare when traveling between Member states. However, if you are questioned by a customs official, then you must answer truthfully.

[URL]https://maskat.diplo.de/om-en/service/14-Zol[/URL]

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2577631]The limit is 10000 euros Mister I know everything. I don t want to waste my time with guys like you who probably are not able to put 500000 euro in cash on the table. Wish you a great life in your illusions.[/QUOTE]Nope. Stubbornly incorrect. Per German embassy, You are not obligated to declare when traveling between Member states. However, if you are questioned by a customs official, then you must answer truthfully.

[URL]https://maskat.diplo.de/om-en/service/14-Zoll[/URL]

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2577574]Lockdowns for you and your kind because you're so dumb we have to protect you against your will.[/QUOTE]It's embarrassing to see your typical French arrogance and ignorance.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2577690]Nope. Stubbornly incorrect. Per German embassy, You are not obligated to declare when traveling between Member states. However, if you are questioned by a customs official, then you must answer truthfully.

[URL]https://maskat.diplo.de/om-en/service/14-Zoll[/URL][/QUOTE]

Exactly, EUR10,000 declaration is when entering and leaving the EU. There is "no official requirement" when traveling within the EU countries. It will depend on the country. How do they check it, where are you going to declare if there is no border control? I also already send quite similar link previously.
Like in any other countries even carrying cash on the streets, train stations, airports in Germany, the authority might ask you the source of the money if you have been detected to carry so much cash in public.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2577631]The limit is 10000 euros Mister I know everything. I don t want to waste my time with guys like you who probably are not able to put 500000 euro in cash on the table. Wish you a great life in your illusions.[/QUOTE]

You know nothing as you claim, like when you said people cannot open a bank account in Germany without residency in Germany and I and other people have shown you the link, proven that you have very little knowledge when come to a foreign citizen is opening a bank account in Germany.

Also, your reasoning that they will need their pimps to drive them home as they cannot carry the cash EUR 10.000+ by themselves is utterly insensible. If the girl herslef can not carry cash over EUR10,000+ out of Germany how could it be different when her pimps is traveling together with her. Is her pimp immune to law.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2577631]The limit is 10000 euros Mister I know everything. I don t want to waste my time with guys like you who probably are not able to put 500000 euro in cash on the table. Wish you a great life in your illusions.[/QUOTE]You are just embarrassing yourself. You think that you have more disposable cash available, what has that got to do with anything.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2577690]Nope. Stubbornly incorrect.[/QUOTE]I really don't get these people. They are proven wrong, they can't bring any new argument or source to support their claims and their reaction is to throw a tantrum like a toddler.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2577642]New Swiss girl who worked only on Saturday, her first day at Globe? When you wrote previously Virginia didn't provide DFK. At least, I don t need to lie, I just write what she told me at Palace and repeated at Globe, and I even survived from so big disappointment, I think I saved from wasting my money. Wait for you for Gran San Bernardino on August or Verbier on early October, for real sport and then you can make your own strava when I should climb topless if not raining. Maybe you will ask your grandmother to climb instead of you? Funny to hear Julian Alaphilippe who is one of the best puncher, telling: I don't understand why they make us climb twice Mont Ventoux, when first climbing from Sault is the easiest, when my final for my tour of pleasure only for passion is to climb twice Mont Ventoux but from Malaucene first which is much more difficult than from Sault, going down to Bedoin and up through legendary forrest. When no wind, a good day, even can't sleep after because moved to much flesh deep inside, but look forward.[/QUOTE]Responding here, trying to keep the Globe thread less polluted with BS from the land of bullshits. Virginia didn't DFK her first few days in Globe, but a few days later she did. It might be that on that Saturday she would only DFK guys who brushed their teeth.

I told you several times, my grandmother cycles faster than you. I have seen her cycling, while you obviously just make up things in your head.

Remember how you keep saying that weight is everything in cycling? How was it that Wout van Aert (77 kg) dropped Kenny Elissonde (52 kg) on the Ventoux at the head of the race? Did your head explode?

[QUOTE=Gino02;2577661]I'm vaccinated for my own good, but you do realize that vaccinated people can still be carrier of any variant of Covid, just that likely won't be suffering much if gets the virus, right? Other people literally don't have any benefit from someone vaccinated, so why do you care if someone else is vaccinated or not?[/QUOTE]Yes, others do benefit if you are vaccinated. Even if you get infected, duration of infection as well as your viral load are reduced, both reduce the risk that you infect others.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2577654]If you are afraid of covid, my advice is to stay away from FKK land which is a real playfield for virus and now delta.[/QUOTE]nah, maybe I'll come and breathe down on short guys.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2577661]I'm vaccinated for my own good, but you do realize that vaccinated people can still be carrier of any variant of Covid, just that likely won't be suffering much if gets the virus, right? Other people literally don't have any benefit from someone vaccinated, so why do you care if someone else is vaccinated or not?[/QUOTE]Benefit to others: decrease period of transmissibility and decrease viral load. Not zero probability, but much less likely to get from a vaccinated person who would be spreading less viral load and over a shorter period of time.

If a vax person is a small campfire of virus, the unvaxed is a burning furnace with a train of coal to burn.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2577660]You really didn't impress me for your cleverness, from what you showed and told me when I didn't ask you anything, but you knew I was her regular on her start on end of February 2016 , and you needed to tell me. But after 1 month, when she claimed in the club she was my number 1, I had to choose Megan and I never regretted, keeping on with Megan who is a bit prettier and much less crazy.[/QUOTE]Bravo for you. In fucked for free.

[QUOTE]That's straight academia and does not happen in reality. There will be evolutionary pressure both ways, naturally or through vaccination. Gravitation will be towards more infectious and less pathogenic sure, but natural pressure will cause more variants and if left unchecked, odds will be that the same pathogenicity would eventually arise. In the mean time, more mortality due to longer time variable. Vaccination if meeting critical mass, actually gives us a shot of nipping it in the bud and actually stops the pandemic before the death toll is too great.[/QUOTE]You can nip it in the butt, if it prevent transmission. It does not, it lower the transmission.

[QUOTE]The last paragraph is straight boloney and makes a connection without actually connecting the dots. It's an attempt to sound knowledgeable. Vague comment that uses clinical terms but actually doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE]The dots is the vaccine allow vaccinated people to get infected and transmit it to unvaccinated people. Because it does not prevent infection, therefore, antibody is sub optimal. Thus allow for selection in the body. If you still don't get it at this point, I don't know. Go back and take high school biology. Read the section on evolution by natural selection.

[QUOTE]Lastly, explain your theory in regards to Polio and measles. Why does it not apply? Both are faster mutating RNA viruses. Vaccines were / are quite effective for them. No super lethal measle or polio came to be. No vaccines completely stamps out transmission. They reduce transmission at the population level. (That's another clue that you're kinda fluffing your post).[/QUOTE]Other vaccine prevent transmission. These covid vaccine reduce transmission. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that reduce transmission is all bad. There is a time and place for it. None of the condition have been met to use these vaccine.

[QUOTE]Science people spreading science misinformation is worse than layman's nonsensical ramblings. Reader should not credit someone with basic academic knowledge with a working knowledge of epidemiology and population level virology.[/QUOTE]This is where I agree with you, there is serious misinformation. If you meet me or any of the virologist that I know, we will tell you that the covid vaccine is great! You should take it. No one dare to say anything different. Privately, everyone is saying that escape of adaptive immunity is a issue. Now what is the consequences, well it is not good. However, is it neutral or a catastrophe, or somewhere in between? This is the part that make me shit in my pant. Humanity already decided to fuck with a system so complex, that a human brain have no way of even guessing what will happen next.

Now, all of this is a moot point because it is too late. Too many people have been vaccinate already. Sooner or later the unvaccinated people will suffer the same consequences as the vaccinated people. I hope the consequence will be neutral.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2577749]You are just embarrassing yourself. You think that you have more disposable cash available, what has that got to do with anything.[/QUOTE]The money flaunting, that's the kind of thing you expect to hear from a 30 year old financial, investment "Bro", not a seasoned man in his 50's or 60's.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2577928]You can nip it in the butt, if it prevent transmission. It does not, it lower the transmission.[/QUOTE]That's true, I agree. And it's nothing to write off, especially in a worldwide state of emergency.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2577928]The dots is the vaccine allow vaccinated people to get infected and transmit it to unvaccinated people. Because it does not prevent infection, therefore, antibody is sub optimal. Thus allow for selection in the body. If you still don't get it at this point, I don't know. Go back and take high school biology. Read the section on evolution by natural selection.[/QUOTE]If recommending others to brush up on textbook "high school" science, I implore you to brush up on graduate level Public Health. These comments seem to be written from the view of someone approaching this in theoretical silo rather than actual practice.

Re: Sub-optimal? I'm not even sure what that is supposed to mean at the tangible level. Stopping transmission at the individual level is never the expectation of vaccination programs. It is always evaluated at the population level. Reduction in pathogen transmission is always evaluated with the goal of reaching herd immunity, not with the practically impossible goal of completely stopping transmission from a single person to another. Again, laboratory / academia versus real world practice.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2577928]Other vaccine prevent transmission. These covid vaccine reduce transmission. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that reduce transmission is all bad. There is a time and place for it. None of the condition have been met to use these vaccine.[/QUOTE]Name one vaccine that stops transmission completely. What conditions? Worldwide state of emergency is not a condition? Again, real world practice was theoretical ideals.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2577928]This is where I agree with you, there is serious misinformation. If you meet me or any of the virologist that I know, we will tell you that the covid vaccine is great! You should take it. No one dare to say anything different. Privately, everyone is saying that escape of adaptive immunity is a issue. Now what is the consequences, well it is not good. However, is it neutral or a catastrophe, or somewhere in between? This is the part that make me shit in my pant. Humanity already decided to fuck with a system so complex, that a human brain have no way of even guessing what will happen next.

Now, all of this is a moot point because it is too late. Too many people have been vaccinate already. Sooner or later the unvaccinated people will suffer the same consequences as the vaccinated people. I hope the consequence will be neutral.[/QUOTE]Again, real world evaluation in necessary. It is the decision between dealing with the immediate effect of perpetual lockdowns and uncontrolled death versus the possible effect of a future super virus. All of your proposed theories of future variants apply to both natural and artificial selection through vaccines. Artificial selection through vaccination does not stop evolutionary drift of the viral mutation moving towards escaping host defenses. The only difference is that mass vaccination would speed up the selection timeline. We would have to deal with future variants one way or another. With the vaccination, we solve the immediate problem rather than just sitting on our hands and feet while society crumbles.

Half the reason I left research science and moved into clinical medicine was because of mindsets like this. Real world usefulness versus theoretical but effectively, impractical near-term use.

Theoretical and real world practical?

How about we listen to the people who are right and stop listening to the people who are wrong?

Florida and Texas proof that the "real world public health experts" was wrong, wrong, wrong. There was no reason for the shut down. If anything, I kind of think that they should now shut down because too many people already got the vaccine. But I guess I'm been theoretical.

Who is right, the FLCC doctors are right, right, right. They was the first to give their patient dexamethasone. And the world belittle them for it. Now, well dexamethasone is standard of care. Those guy are real world practical, having to treat sick people everyday and not some dude in the lab or behind the desk.

[QUOTE=DecentDude;2577789]Hi all,

I am a newbie to the NRW region (previously been to the Frankfurt FKKs many times). Which FKKs would you recommend visiting in the region? And where would you base yourself in a hotel for a multi day trip? Cologne? Thanks![/QUOTE]For my advice, but at least I visited since reopening, I m not Asian or US coming once a year and who didn't come since 1 year and half, meaning knowing just nothing, highest potential at the moment is Samya Koln on Friday and Saturday evenings with no upselling and for best looks. I could also try Aca Gold where can sometimes find a beauty, PHG for potential at night if You are able to manage without rules. I will return to Oase of course, where usually potential and I don t need rules but I like to play with my talent. Sharks casting on early July was so disappointing for looks, wish will improve. Can sometimes find a beauty at Finca or Bab. Not so bad.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2577752]Responding here, trying to keep the Globe thread less polluted with BS from the land of bullshits. Virginia didn't DFK her first few days in Globe, but a few days later she did. It might be that on that Saturday she would only DFK guys who brushed their teeth.

I told you several times, my grandmother cycles faster than you. I have seen her cycling, while you obviously just make up things in your head.

Remember how you keep saying that weight is everything in cycling? How was it that Wout van Aert (77 kg) dropped Kenny Elissonde (52 kg) on the Ventoux at the head of the race? Did your head explode?[/QUOTE]Because you never visited any German club, not even Freubad, nor Cleo, nor Zeus, but you play ghost here since months, when all those who ever saw me, know I'm really not a ghost, so I preferred to answer you on your home club, then everybody can judge there, about your posts proving your lies about Virginia or new Swiss girl when you don't know who she is, but you wrote not your type, not interesting, when I m fully sure you paid 140/30 for Virginia, without kissing, on your single room with her, waiting for CIM to repeat as you wrote, even not so cute, when she told many guys don't ask to kiss. So obvious. At least, when she told me and told about only 80 rate, I didn't insist, I just didn't go, even for 80, when I don't go in Germany for 50 nor even 40 . When I only go to climb highest ranked, when W V AERT was not 77 kgs yesterday, easy to see even tall, rather than believing all data and behaving like a faker here, just learn about Newton whose apple talked. I will be on 2 October at the bottom for Verbier, for US, then you can make your strava, or follow me, when I m never a ghost, but topless to be lighter. Also learn about Colin Chapman for race cars, Newton best student, for light is right. Except if you want to play Sumo of course, but then you are at big risk to die.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2578039]Theoretical and real world practical?

How about we listen to the people who are right and stop listening to the people who are wrong?

Florida and Texas proof that the "real world public health experts" was wrong, wrong, wrong. There was no reason for the shut down. If anything, I kind of think that they should now shut down because too many people already got the vaccine. But I guess I'm been theoretical.

Who is right, the FLCC doctors are right, right, right. They was the first to give their patient dexamethasone. And the world belittle them for it. Now, well dexamethasone is standard of care. Those guy are real world practical, having to treat sick people everyday and not some dude in the lab or behind the desk.[/QUOTE]There were literally semi trucks used as morgues in Texas Hospitals. Medical personnel were dispatched in mass along with the National Guard. Tents were erected to treat the sick.

Proof? I don't know what world in which you live but my 2 weeks in Texas was entirely different than the picture you paint.

It would have been much worse if it it wasn't for the fact that Texas and Florida are two of the larger states in the USA with a geographically dispersed population. The cities were a completely different story as Houston, El Paso, and Miami saw ridiculous death tolls with only the large rural population bringing down the average to make numbers look better for the state as whole. If it wasn't for the fact that the heavily populated cities in Texas and Florida enforced restrictions, we would have had NYC type scenarios.

You have no idea what happened in the real world to be telling people about COVID care especially making the statement that Decadron is the standard of care as if it is a single miracle medication. We used steroids like this since one day one just as we would any inflammatory condition. No one was belittling decadron use.

Do you even know how it works? It is only an adjunct symptomatic treatment used in the early stages of care and has no effect once the inflammatory phase is over. The only standard of care was symptomatic treatment, early prevention of viral replication, and then supporting organ function as the person must naturally recover.

So please, take your laboratory science education elsewhere and stop talking about things in which you have no first hand knowledge.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2578047]For my advice, but at least I visited since reopening, I m not Asian or US coming once a year and who didn't come since 1 year and half, meaning knowing just nothing,[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sirioja;2578060]Because you never visited any German club, not even Freubad, nor Cleo, nor Zeus, but you play ghost here since months, [/QUOTE] You complain here about guys not being in Germany and not being real yet you make about 30 posts per day in the Thailand forum with your many fake handles when it's obvious from your posts that you've never even been to Thailand!

Also, stop PM'ing me with your fake handles. I know they're all you!

Bit Siri.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2578047]For my advice, but at least I visited since reopening, I m not Asian or US coming once a year and who didn't come since 1 year and half, meaning knowing just nothing, highest potential at the moment is Samya Koln on Friday and Saturday evenings with no upselling and for best looks. I could also try Aca Gold where can sometimes find a beauty, PHG for potential at night if You are able to manage without rules. I will return to Oase of course, where usually potential and I don t need rules but I like to play with my talent. Sharks casting on early July was so disappointing for looks, wish will improve. Can sometimes find a beauty at Finca or Bab. Not so bad.[/QUOTE]So thirsty.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2578071]There were literally semi trucks used as morgues in Texas Hospitals. Medical personnel were dispatched in mass along with the National Guard. Tents were erected to treat the sick.

Proof? I don't know what world in which you live but my 2 weeks in Texas was entirely different than the picture you paint.

It would have been much worse if it it wasn't for the fact that Texas and Florida are two of the larger states in the USA with a geographically dispersed population. The cities were a completely different story as Houston, El Paso, and Miami saw ridiculous death tolls with only the large rural population bringing down the average to make numbers look better for the state as whole. If it wasn't for the fact that the heavily populated cities in Texas and Florida enforced restrictions, we would have had NYC type scenarios.

You have no idea what happened in the real world to be telling people about COVID care especially making the statement that Decadron is the standard of care as if it is a single miracle medication. We used steroids like this since one day one just as we would any inflammatory condition. No one was belittling decadron use.

Do you even know how it works? It is only an adjunct symptomatic treatment used in the early stages of care and has no effect once the inflammatory phase is over. The only standard of care was symptomatic treatment, early prevention of viral replication, and then supporting organ function as the person must naturally recover.

So please, take your laboratory science education elsewhere and stop talking about things in which you have no first hand knowledge.[/QUOTE]And we saw fridge trucks in streets, not in deep Romania, but in NYC and also pathetic Hart island there, when crazy golfer claimed to drink disinfectant. Amazing disappointing number 1 . When aiming to become new number 1 is land of lies and not respecting human rights. Poor world, let s enjoy our small pleasures, starting my best on 14 July if not raining like on 3. Still warming up in Iseran where Cavendish cried and 9 were out of time and at home, but I don t criticize because it was so cold and wet, not human, even their paid job.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2578106]You complain here about guys not being in Germany and not being real yet you make about 30 posts per day in the Thailand forum with your many fake handles when it's obvious from your posts that you've never even been to Thailand!

Also, stop PM'ing me with your fake handles. I know they're all you!

Bit Siri.[/QUOTE]I have only one profile, I think I'm very easy to recognize and you can even ask administration when all my posts are under administration moderation, for proof. I never wrote in Thailand where I don t know anything and I m not interested at all by Asia for sex. I also really don t need to send You PM and administration can also easily control, easy from IP. I'm not a ghost but as I'm super trained for pressure, I'm also super trained to smell fakers.

Rrrrrrrrrright,

After Florida and Texas open up, infection rate go up to the sky and people are dropping death like flies as I'm typing this. Just as the public health expert predicted it. When the FLCC doctor testify in the US Senate about how much success they was having in their ICU. No one criticized them. Dexamethasone become standard of care the very next day. Yep, All of that did happen. And 2+2 do equal to 5.

Sorry. I don't trust the public health expert. I trust evolution. I trust the latest recommendation coming from the FLCC, which some people believe could end the pandemic. The last part might be a little optimistic or maybe they are right. Unfortunately most doctor are too lazy and will just follow NIH guideline and will not give you the prescription for the FLCC I-mask protocol. I ordered and received all of these medication from India and Japan. Good luck to all (vaccinated and unvaccinated).

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2577654]You think girls are vaccinated? I don't know any club which select only vaccinated. Maybe GT, but he died from vaccine: bad luck. If you are afraid of covid, my advice is to stay away from FKK land which is a real playfield for virus and now delta.[/QUOTE]Who can read already has an advantage. He doesn't say that he thinks that the girls are vaccinated, but he would prefer if they would be.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2578060]Because you never visited any German club, not even Freubad, nor Cleo, nor Zeus, but you play ghost here since months, when all those who ever saw me, know I'm really not a ghost, so I preferred to answer you on your home club, then everybody can judge there, about your posts proving your lies about Virginia or new Swiss girl when you don't know who she is, but you wrote not your type, not interesting, when I m fully sure you paid 140/30 for Virginia, without kissing, on your single room with her, waiting for CIM to repeat as you wrote, even not so cute, when she told many guys don't ask to kiss. So obvious. At least, when she told me and told about only 80 rate, I didn't insist, I just didn't go, even for 80, when I don't go in Germany for 50 nor even 40 . When I only go to climb highest ranked, when W V AERT was not 77 kgs yesterday, easy to see even tall, rather than believing all data and behaving like a faker here, just learn about Newton whose apple talked. I will be on 2 October at the bottom for Verbier, for US, then you can make your strava, or follow me, when I m never a ghost, but topless to be lighter. Also learn about Colin Chapman for race cars, Newton best student, for light is right. Except if you want to play Sumo of course, but then you are at big risk to die.[/QUOTE]OK, let's see who writes bullshit here.

Here are 3 different sources for Kenny Elissonde (1.69 m and 52 kg) and Wout van Aert (1. 87 m and 78 kg) stats.

[URL]https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/kenny-elissonde[/URL]

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Elissonde[/URL]

[URL]https://www.eurosport.com/cycling/kenny-elissonde_prs256438/person.shtml[/URL]

[URL]https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/wout-van-aert[/URL]

[URL]https://www.eurosport.com/cycling/wout-van-aert_prs356278/person.shtml[/URL]

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wout_van_Aert[/URL]

Do you agree that WVA dropped Kenny Elissonde on the Ventoux or are you saying it's not true? Do you agree that WVA is significantly heavier? Oh, I forget, you believe that the earth is flat, nothing will change your mind, you only trust your half blind eyes and your imagination. Please, you should tell the commentators at TV France 2 and Eurosport that you have better information than them.

The fact that you are unwilling to accept easily proven facts, just shows everybody that most of what you write is pure BS.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2578039]If anything, I kind of think that they should now shut down because too many people already got the vaccine...[/QUOTE]You like to troll? Shutdowns because people get vaccinated, nobody sane would think that.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2578106]You complain here about guys not being in Germany and not being real yet you make about 30 posts per day in the Thailand forum with your many fake handles when it's obvious from your posts that you've never even been to Thailand!

Also, stop PM'ing me with your fake handles. I know they're all you!

Bit Siri.[/QUOTE]Few years ago this dude was flooding the French forum the same way he does here. He ended up banned as things turned mad. He came back with other accounts but spotted by the admin, was banned again. He then moved here. Admin, please, before you decide to delete this message and never post it, have a thought.

[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2576954]I hope Samya accepts my US-issued CDC Pfizer vaccine card. If test is still needed, then.

[URL]https://covid-testzentrum.de[/URL]

And find the nearest one. 25 euro for antigen test in these places for foreigners, good for 2 days, so damage is 12.5 euro per day.[/QUOTE]French-based American I know got into Samya with his CDC card. Because it is not as common as the yellow WHO booklet or CovPass app, he was prepared to drive to a test center if necessary. When travel resumes, CDC card should become more recognisable.

Technically, Siri is correct. The receptionist will often only ask:

[QUOTE]"you have test?"[/QUOTE]A simple three word question is much easier than the fully expanded three-part question:

[QUOTE]"Do you have a negative test from last 48 hours? Or a vaccine with final dose occurring more than 14 days ago? Or a letter from your doctor certifying recovery between 1-6 months ago?".[/QUOTE]The short three syllable question has multiple advantages. If the guest looks confused, she will know to immediately switch to a different language or find a translator. The receptionist is making a couple of educated guesses to EXPEDITE the check-in process. If the guest has the test, he will most likely present it and the interaction moves to the next step (payment and filling out paperwork). The receptionist also knows that if the guest has one of the other two requirements, the guest will most likely make an attempt to explain or physically show what he has. If and when the majority of people in EU are fully vaccinated, the new default question might very well switch to:

[QUOTE]"you have vaccine?"[/QUOTE]This is no different than if one were to go to a nightclub in the USA. When the bouncer is asking to see a drivers license, he is also making an educated guess. This is the default question because 89 percent of Americans have one. But if one never learned to drive or is a foreigner only in possession of a passport, that person would probably have the common sense to say "No, but I have this. " In other words, we assume that the people we are speaking with are able read between the lines, and can understand more than the literal words that are coming out of our mouths. Small children and adults with autism being the exception.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2578209]Who can read already has an advantage. He doesn't say that he thinks that the girls are vaccinated, but he would prefer if they would be.[/QUOTE]Wait it was reported that the owner of GT died of the vaccine?

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2577928]The dots is the vaccine allow vaccinated people to get infected and transmit it to unvaccinated people. Because it does not prevent infection, therefore, antibody is sub optimal. Thus allow for selection in the body. If you still don't get it at this point, I don't know. Go back and take high school biology. Read the section on evolution by natural selection.[/QUOTE]Murse is just someone who once dreamed of being a 'real' doctor, but couldn't make it through medical school, so now 'she' needs a hooker forum to feel validated. Don't get me wrong, I have great respect for nurses and all the hard work they do, but let's also be honest: they are NOT doctors, because they are missing a huge chunk of education. What's next: flight attendants telling pilots how to fly? LOL!

Sorry Murse, you're job is to assist doctors and to do as *they* instruct you. Leave the thinking to the *real* doctors please, people with a background of critical thinking without the excess luggage of all sorts of political dogmas and inferiority complexes.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2577928] Privately, everyone is saying that escape of adaptive immunity is a issue. Now what is the consequences, well it is not good. However, is it neutral or a catastrophe, or somewhere in between? This is the part that make me shit in my pant. Humanity already decided to fuck with a system so complex, that a human brain have no way of even guessing what will happen next. [/QUOTE]Yes, this is what Geert vanden Bossche has been warning about for months, and it's already unfolding. Perhaps the "Delta Variant" can still be partially 'defeated' by the so-called "vaccine" (read: gene therapy) to allow the pro-vaxxers to claim so pathetic 'successes,' but once the flu season starts again on the northern hemisphere in a few months, I'm afraid we'll back to Square One of more "cases" and more lockdowns.

Dr. Chris Martenson of Peak Prosperity was one of the first ones in the financial media in January 2020 to start warning about 'something going on in Wuhan' and a few weeks ago he had Geert vanden Bossche as a guest on his YT show: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjMZvpmuaKY[/URL].

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2578200]Rrrrrrrrrright,

After Florida and Texas open up, infection rate go up to the sky and people are dropping death like flies as I'm typing this. Just as the public health expert predicted it. When the FLCC doctor testify in the US Senate about how much success they was having in their ICU. No one criticized them. Dexamethasone become standard of care the very next day. Yep, All of that did happen. And 2+2 do equal to 5.

Sorry. I don't trust the public health expert. I trust evolution. I trust the latest recommendation coming from the FLCC, which some people believe could end the pandemic. The last part might be a little optimistic or maybe they are right. Unfortunately most doctor are too lazy and will just follow NIH guideline and will not give you the prescription for the FLCC I-mask protocol. I ordered and received all of these medication from India and Japan. Good luck to all (vaccinated and unvaccinated).[/QUOTE]False. Considering that we were using Dexamethasone back in April, giving them credit seems pretty inaccurate. Corticosteroid use for inflammatory diseases has been a staple of western medicine for decades.

This same group did also recommend Ivermectin, a worm pharmaceutical meant to treat large farm animals. The recommended doses that were "effective" against COVID, only to find out that doses large enough to be effective were also large enough to cause cardiac dysrhythmias and cardiac death. Yeah, recommending medications with such a narrow therapeutic index without any testing made them seem really smart. Oh yeah, they had to rescind that recommendation rather quickly.

Yeah, trust those people.

And let me break it to you darlin, my permanent home is in Florida. We were closed for all of one month. Same with most of Texas. Official reopenings didn't result in much societal change. Tell you what did happen, when Miami did release the municipal restrictions, all hell broke loose in March and April and the city was placed back into a state of emergency with curfews reinstated until vaccination numbers caught up, especially within the Latino community.

Seems that you get your COVID news from political sources.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2578023]If clubs don't ask for negative test, with delta very fast spreading everywhere, then they make big mistake and take big risk to be closed as cluster, when many vaccinated are positive. Negative test is more safe than vaccinated who can still spread. I wait for 2 October, just for pleasure to discover my beloved Verbier climbing I m used to push with car, topless if not raining, impossible to miss me when no other topless, when guys have teams suit, but I'm not paid to wear.[/QUOTE]1st. All you had to say was, "perhaps I was mistaken," but pride.

2nd. Still avoiding the wager. All talk until you put up. Make the finances work if I am I going waste an FKK weekend destroying the ego of a man with grey pubes.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2578174]And we saw fridge trucks in streets, not in deep Romania, but in NYC and also pathetic Hart island there, when crazy golfer claimed to drink disinfectant. Amazing disappointing number 1 . When aiming to become new number 1 is land of lies and not respecting human rights.[/QUOTE]What's with the sour grapes of older French men and their animosity towards America? Is it the bitterness of English replacing French as the official international language because America saved them from the Germans twice in 30 years? To the victor go the spoils as they say. Younger French don't seem to suffer from this much arrogance and insecurity. They seem to be much happier than the miserable old guys.

Here's the great thing about America still being on top right now. No other country will hold that title for any appreciable amount of time since we will all effectively be a global, one-world order way before any other superpower (including China) can exert any cultural, economic, or military influence to the degree in which the reigning world champs has. Get over it.

BTW, population density of Manhattan, NYC is 70 K per square mile. Brooklyn and Bronx sit at 36 K per sq mile. Population density of Bucharest and Paris are around 21 K per sq mile. Figure out why that's relevant. Quite obvious.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2578248]Few years ago this dude was flooding the French forum the same way he does here. He ended up banned as things turned mad. He came back with other accounts but spotted by the admin, was banned again. He then moved here. Admin, please, before you decide to delete this message and never post it, have a thought.[/QUOTE]Yes some others, claimed specialists, became so crazy jealous when I wrote my weekly visits, when I had a friend in moderation, so I was reported what happened. Sirioja became Sirio, only this, nothing more, but still jealousy, and here only Sirioja, easy to check with IP, when I don t need more profiles, I m unfortunately too well known and I m really not interested by Thailand paid sex, not my standard. At least, nobody can say I don't visit before writing, and still since reopening.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2577928] Privately, everyone is saying that escape of adaptive immunity is a issue. Now what is the consequences, well it is not good. However, is it neutral or a catastrophe, or somewhere in between? This is the part that make me shit in my pant. Humanity already decided to fuck with a system so complex, that a human brain have no way of even guessing what will happen next. [/QUOTE]Yup, this is what Geert vanden Bossche has been warning about for months, and it's already unfolding. Perhaps the "Delta Variant" can still be partially 'defeated' by the so-called "vaccine" (read: gene therapy) to allow the pro-vaxxers to claim some pathetic 'successes,' but once the flu season starts again on the northern hemisphere in a few months, I'm afraid we'll back to Square One of more "cases," more lockdowns, and more waiting for the next round of 'vaccines' that won't stop the transmission.

Dr. Chris Martenson of Peak Prosperity was one of the first ones in the financial media in January 2020 to start warning about 'something going on in Wuhan' and a few weeks ago he had Geert vanden Bossche as a guest on his YT show: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjMZvpmuaKY[/URL].

In the mean time, Holland I (just like Israel which is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world) is already reintroducing Covid19 measures, as "cases" are spiking again:

[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/528843-netherlands-reintroduces-covid-curbs-delta-rise/[/URL]

It's not even autumn yet, and just like last year, the media and politicians are already talking (read: mentally preparing the sheeple) about more lockdowns.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2578248]Few years ago this dude was flooding the French forum the same way he does here. He ended up banned as things turned mad. He came back with other accounts but spotted by the admin, was banned again. He then moved here. Admin, please, before you decide to delete this message and never post it, have a thought.[/QUOTE]I hold no brief for Siri but you have all this information from many years back but you have only 41 posts.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2578606]I hold no brief for Siri but you have all this information from many years back but you have only 41 posts.[/QUOTE]Maybe he was reading instead of posting. In any case his post was presumably referring to the Youppie forum and not ISG.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2578108]Wrong. No negative test needed for Sharks. Just show you're not a COVIDIOT and show them you are fully vaccinated.[/QUOTE]No offense but you're clearly a moron considering that you take for granted that all people on here even had the opportunity to get fully vaccinated. That's not the case, anyways the vaccine you have taken is ineffective and already outdated. Even the fully vaccinated should be required to prove that they are indeed COVID-19 negative since they are carriers and spreaders of disease.

This is just an idea, there is actually a way to eradicate covid, the same way we eradicate smallpox. However, it require honesty and unprecedented level of organization and collaboration.

Honesty: the mRNA is basically a fail gene therapy technology. It fail because it was deem too toxic. However, maybe it have application in vaccine but the jury is still out. People have the right know this info. We should focus on other platform like recombination, which work for HBV. In addition, there is other traditional, old school tech, such as inactive and attenuate. Also, the ability of ivermectin to prevent covid is infinitely more superior than any vaccine.

Organization and Collaboration: We encourage but not forces as many people to take the vaccine (whatever platform they choose) as possible. Next, set a date to get as many people to take ivermectin to prevent infection. After a few week, there will be few if any infection case. At this point, covid vaccine can play its role in eradicating covid and the more people take it the better. To be sure that it is eradicated, if any new infection is detected. We go in and give ivermectin to everyone in the city.

Next we enforce border control on country that still have issue and help them eradicate covid.

Anyway, I'm been idealistic that this can be pull off. Especially with so much political BS.

And for those who don't care about the political BS. Check out the FLCCC website and look at their data. I personally have find way to get those medication on the I-MASK protocol. With covid, antiviral medication is most effective when it is taken early. If I do get covid, I will want to take it right the way. And not waste time trying to figure how to get it. But that is just me.

BTW, the FLCCC did not retract anything. The BIRD group retracted their publication claiming that ivermectin did not work.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2578484]1st. All you had to say was, "perhaps I was mistaken," but pride.

2nd. Still avoiding the wager. All talk until you put up. Make the finances work if I am I going waste an FKK weekend destroying the ego of a man with grey pubes.[/QUOTE]You asked, I just answered. Same than at LR when you came and needed to tell me your so pathetic story, or did I come to you and tell you about my girls? I will have to waste my time, drive more than 1200 kms and take risk in dangerous Switzerland for you, so don't forget Sambrancher croosroads on 2 October and if you forget, at least let me know here, not to make me going for nothing, when Verbier is not on my climbing tour, when I didn't even take risk to go to ski on April. Ego is good engine for life.

Murse remind me of a article I saw a long time ago.

I hope many of you would consider cancer is not a political topic. As you can see from the link below, 88% of the top science regarding cancer was found to be fake. Done by scientist who just make shit up. These scientist use the same tacit and climb their way to the top. No wonder why we are in this mess. Anyway, stop trusting your scientific bureaucrat. Maybe when people stop trusting scientist, the scientific community might be able to get our house in order.

[URL]https://cafehayek.com/2012/04/fake-science-everywhere.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2578537]Yes some others, claimed specialists, became so crazy jealous when I wrote my weekly visits, when I had a friend in moderation, so I was reported what happened. Sirioja became Sirio, only this, nothing more, but still jealousy, and here only Sirioja, easy to check with IP, when I don t need more profiles, I m unfortunately too well known and I m really not interested by Thailand paid sex, not my standard. At least, nobody can say I don't visit before writing, and still since reopening.[/QUOTE]Believe me when I say this. No one is "jealous" about anything you post here. Problem is. You spam every thread with lengthy posts, which are very hard to read and understand. You writing style and grammar are very poor, sometimes to the point where it's difficult to understand what you're trying to say. I know English is not your first language, but nonetheless you decide to come here and post in English forum. As a common courtesy to other posters, you need to improve your grammar and writing style.

I am sure you're going to argue with me and claim I am somehow "jealous" of you. But try to understand what I and others are telling you. Don't spam every forum unless you have some tangible to contribute. Posted less. When you do post, write in shorter sentences and learn how to express yourself clearly and concisely.

Bleh. Something happened these past 5 years. Stupid people's voices are being given too much an audience. Keep them in the minority. Facts get ignored and responded by more bullshit. It's a fruitless trap. Glad the normal humans are back on the other threads. Fuckin wierdos.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2578427]Murse is just someone who once dreamed of being a 'real' doctor, but couldn't make it through medical school, so now 'she' needs a hooker forum to feel validated. Don't get me wrong, I have great respect for nurses and all the hard work they do, but let's also be honest: they are NOT doctors, because they are missing a huge chunk of education. What's next: flight attendants telling pilots how to fly? LOL!

Sorry Murse, you're job is to assist doctors and to do as *they* instruct you. Leave the thinking to the *real* doctors please, people with a background of critical thinking without the excess luggage of all sorts of political dogmas and inferiority complexes.[/QUOTE]LOL. You do realize that a nursing degree is an undergraduate degree right? You do realize that one must get one of those before going on to complete medical training in the United States right? Pretty consistent with your many other jump to conclusions positions. Good thing you're not in healthcare. Imagine the death toll.

As always, this aged quite poorly:

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2525813]Keep on hoping against hope that in 2021 FKK clubs will open, because the future is looking increasingly dark.

Guys, if ANY of you want to see the inside of an FKK club again in your lives, you'd better wake up and stop believing the fearmongers, because this is no longer about a virus. It doesn't matter how many "vaccines" you're willing to take, this is about establishing a fascist technocratic regime.

Forget about any FKK visits in 2021 (or 2022) boys, unless you wake up and start resisting the lies and the propaganda! This will be an endless game of lockdowns, travel restrictions, and "vaccines."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2578645]Also, the ability of ivermectin to prevent covid is infinitely more superior than any vaccine.[/QUOTE]Yeah, because it kills the human, stopping the vaccine dead in its tracks. Facepalms at Dr WebMD.

Already last day of the weekend and we've got 0 reports across all german fkks, beautiful! Our POV is from only a handful of reporters (Lanthano being the best at this practice), the others highly subjectively depicting what they see (what they think they see?). All this to say, ill be in frankfurt at the end of the month, and I will surely make sure I write a report, a real one.

[QUOTE=JoeZakary;2578823]Already last day of the weekend and we've got 0 reports across all german fkks, beautiful! Our POV is from only a handful of reporters (Lanthano being the best at this practice), the others highly subjectively depicting what they see (what they think they see?). All this to say, ill be in frankfurt at the end of the month, and I will surely make sure I write a report, a real one.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with these sentiments. I too will be returning, early next month but sometimes I wonder why I should bother writing up a report when it seems very few bother these days. So much irrelevant drivel written which does little to inform & educate the reader about the girls & their performance which after all is what we are all after. Isn't it?

[QUOTE=JoeZakary;2578823]Already last day of the weekend and we've got 0 reports across all german fkks, beautiful! Our POV is from only a handful of reporters (Lanthano being the best at this practice), the others highly subjectively depicting what they see (what they think they see?). All this to say, ill be in frankfurt at the end of the month, and I will surely make sure I write a report, a real one.[/QUOTE]We wait your strong expert very informative report, I will not need, when I don't use translator to read German forums because I don't care about grocers with a Romanian piece of meat. When I saw my first girl finishing a guy in around 10 mn, while he went to lockers for money, I went to her and we laughed about, telling me her room, after our hour and her first O of her day when her third room, with smiles all among after, and her friend also trying to get me. As a so bad hunter, not able to jump on a piece of meat, when it was like German Janine time, guys jumping on her when she was waiting to be paid, after mostly 15/20 mn rooms, but if I was not a so bad hunter, when I missed the fast to leave German, if she was not so exhausted at around 2 am, when I played for 1 hour but didn't want to kill her on her first day, earlier and in better conditions if I was more efficient and better with belly, then I would have extended over 1 hour with the immaculate virgin beauty I could have gotten for her first room in a club, rather than rabbits. She worked in private before. But great pleasure was to look below her when I was behind her walking upstairs and I m too different to be expert and I don t want to be, I just like to play my own game. Enjoy your expert tour. I heard so many experts and when I looked at them, I knew we couldn't experience the same, some became mad about that. Each one own game.

[QUOTE=ChuckZ;2578742]I'm diving back in this October. Thinking positive. Hoping for the best.[/QUOTE]I hope for you that you have good timing. If all goes well, then line-ups should be back to old standard again by October and the upselling should be back to a normal level. If all goes to shit, then expect more lockdowns starting in September-October. As people might know, I'm expecting the second scenario, but just to be clear: I am not in favour of lockdowns and vaccinations. The best strategy would have been to re-open everything as normal last year and go for herd immunity, as Sweden has done. Perhaps (on paper) more "Covid" deaths in Sweden, but far less deaths due to suicides, untreated diseases like cancer and cardiovascular, a ruined economy, and ruined livelihoods. In the end it all balances out, but without totalitarian measures and closed FKKs.

So far 4 million dead by "Covid" (including the many 'deaths' by falsified statistics), which on a worldwide population of 7,8 billion is a total joke. No significant difference between North Dakota (strict DNC lockdown) and South Dakota (much more liberal).

No mass deaths in Nicaragua (no lockdown), Florida, Texas, or Sweden (very soft and un-intrusive measures) as 'predicted' by all the fearmongers.

[QUOTE=JoeZakary;2578823]Already last day of the weekend and we've got 0 reports across all german fkks, beautiful! [/QUOTE]Don't forget the time difference, unlike in Asia, Sunday is not over yet in Europe. Maybe more reports to come, or maybe not much good to report? Tripods everywhere, poor line-up, upselling, no food, no-limited wellness, suckers paying 50 Euro entry to watch sausages, etcetera?

IMO, most German FKK clubs are 'open' in theory only. I'm a rational person: when I see great reviews I'll change my mind and I'll get a quickie test and go myself, but so far nothing motivates me to venture out to Darmstadt. I saw a few names (Brenda, Kaira, Helen, Catalina, Ester) that I like, but I don't feel like hovering for hours in front of the door to the ladies changing rooms in order to try to grab a hot girl before another tripod does. I've seen those sausage fests at GT, and that's the main reason why I stopped going to GT.

P.S. The scaremongers here have forgotten one important thing: it takes two to tango. They have forgotten that with all their Geriatric Snowflake scaremongering about a flu virus so that Big Pharma can make more money, they also scared away many ladies. Doh! Now they selfishly think that now that THEY are vaxxed, the whole world should be going back to normal again. The Marxist politicians and the big pharmaceutical corporations have other plans! They just want to "rinse can repeat" the PCR Test Scamdemic so they can milk more money and totalitarian powers from the dumb and brainwashed public.

[QUOTE=Samplerr;2578613]Maybe he was reading instead of posting.....[/QUOTE]My point exactly.

[QUOTE=Ctytek;2578754]Believe me when I say this. No one is "jealous" about anything you post here. Problem is. You spam every thread with lengthy posts, which are very hard to read and understand. You writing style and grammar are very poor, sometimes to the point where it's difficult to understand what you're trying to say. I know English is not your first language, but nonetheless you decide to come here and post in English forum. As a common courtesy to other posters, you need to improve your grammar and writing style.

I am sure you're going to argue with me and claim I am somehow "jealous" of you. But try to understand what I and others are telling you. Don't spam every forum unless you have some tangible to contribute. Posted less. When you do post, write in shorter sentences and learn how to express yourself clearly and concisely.[/QUOTE]If you experienced so many jealous followers and believe me, they read all of me, before on other forum and since end of 2014 here, even when they don t understand not knowing the place. GT Bruggen superstar told me she never saw any other guy with such jealousy after him, when she used to have more than 50 clients on week end at Velbert, meaning she saw very many guys.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2578946]Don't forget the time difference, unlike in Asia, Sunday is not over yet in Europe. Maybe more reports to come, or maybe not much good to report? Tripods everywhere, poor line-up, upselling, no food, no-limited wellness, suckers paying 50 Euro entry to watch sausages, etcetera?

IMO, most German FKK clubs are 'open' in theory only. I'm a rational person: when I see great reviews I'll change my mind and I'll get a quickie test and go myself, but so far nothing motivates me to venture out to Darmstadt. I saw a few names (Brenda, Kaira, Helen, Catalina, Ester) that I like, but I don't feel like hovering for hours in front of the door to the ladies changing rooms in order to try to grab a hot girl before another tripod does. I've seen those sausage fests at GT, and that's the main reason why I stopped going to GT.

P.S. The scaremongers here have forgotten one important thing: it takes two to tango. They have forgotten that with all their Geriatric Snowflake scaremongering about a flu virus so that Big Pharma can make more money, they also scared away many ladies. Doh! Now they selfishly think that now that THEY are vaxxed, the whole world should be going back to normal again. The Marxist politicians and the big pharmaceutical corporations have other plans! They just want to "rinse can repeat" the PCR Test Scamdemic so they can milk more money and totalitarian powers from the dumb and brainwashed public.[/QUOTE]I didn't see Asian hunter Elen from Dubai nor Melissa red hair on 1 and 9 July, but on Friday, I saw Brenda sometimes staying at the bar and Kaira and Ester were not so busy. Only 1 new was full busy. Not even Viorica nor long time Cosmina.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2578670]Sharks's management team probably anticipates that it will soon be over again with the 're-openings,'[/QUOTE]Too scared to go, too scared to think it will last.

Coward!

[QUOTE=Canary;2578886]I totally agree with these sentiments. I too will be returning, early next month but sometimes I wonder why I should bother writing up a report when it seems very few bother these days. So much irrelevant drivel written which does little to inform & educate the reader about the girls & their performance which after all is what we are all after. Isn't it?[/QUOTE]I can't name my 2 Sharks girls nor my Globe Swiss part timer, I just protect them from being bullshitted about me when they really don't deserve, when I had so many girls who were and I lost some from this, usually not my best girls. I also don't want grocers beggars go to ask them for 50/30 when I play with my talent and don t need help to get from girls. I remember guys going to Raïssa at World on end of June 2015 to ask her to diner for free, really incredible. When You experienced about this business, if You are not so stupid, You learn to protect and protect girls who are good for You, but each one have eyes and brain to choose. I use mine and only trust them. When you know about Globe, when I know Megan is criticized or dirtied because of me, by faker ghost, then I'm only happy she prefers Globe than Sharks she didn't like. All I can say is Sharks worth a visit when Globe is too expensive for more than 90% girls now. My subjective opinion from a very different guy.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2578941]No mass deaths in Nicaragua (no lockdown), Florida, Texas, or Sweden (very soft and un-intrusive measures) as 'predicted' by all the fearmongers.[/QUOTE]Mexico, Brazil, Russia had hardly any restriction.

Reposting here to stop the spammers from clogging up the actual mongering threads.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2578811]Bleh. Something happened these past 5 years. Stupid people's voices are being given too much an audience. Keep them in the minority. Facts get ignored and responded by more bullshit. It's a fruitless trap. Glad the normal humans are back on the other threads. Fuckin wierdos.[/QUOTE]LMFAO, you're the weirdo. Why can't you just admit it? Just look at how you're spamming this forum with irrelevant BS day after day.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2578818]Yeah, because it kills the human, stopping the vaccine dead in its tracks. Facepalms at Dr WebMD.[/QUOTE]I hope people see these deceitful tactics. Water can kill human. Ivermectin toxicity and safety profile is well know since it been used since 1980, with 4 billion dose taken. At the dose that work for covid, it is as toxic as a baby aspirin. Unless you have a parasite, the death of a parasite can cause sickness for a few days. But wouldn't you want to get rid of a parasite anyway.

Adenovirus vector and mRNA, failed at gene therapy due to toxicity and safety concern. The hope is in the next 10, 20 years, people will come up with a formulation that will make mRNA LNP work for gene therapy. In the mean time, working and approved gene therapy is not using these platform. That is part of the reason it cost 2 to 3 million per dose.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2579071]Too scared to go, too scared to think it will last.

Coward![/QUOTE]You're such a pathetic weirdo, you should try to stop acting like a troll and post something relevant for once.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2578404]In other words, we assume that the people we are speaking with are able read between the lines, and can understand more than the literal words that are coming out of our mouths. Small children and adults with autism being the exception.[/QUOTE]He knows his assertion is wrong. Now just too proud to admit. Does not rule out Autism spectrum.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2578946]P.S. The scaremongers here have forgotten one important thing: it takes two to tango. They have forgotten that with all their Geriatric Snowflake scaremongering about a flu virus so that Big Pharma can make more money, they also scared away many ladies. Doh! Now they selfishly think that now that THEY are vaxxed, the whole world should be going back to normal again. The Marxist politicians and the big pharmaceutical corporations have other plans! They just want to "rinse can repeat" the PCR Test Scamdemic so they can milk more money and totalitarian powers from the dumb and brainwashed public.[/QUOTE]No don't worry they're part of your paranoid gang. Some of them think that the vaccine will make them sterile, or magnetic, or whatever.

They just read it on Facebook or Snapchat, along with 'the day of 11 September, people with Jewish origins didn't come to the office' and 'we're not really sur if the gas Chambers existed'.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2576689]He stopped posting when covid struck in March 2020 and Sirioja has since overtaken him in most posts on ISG.[/QUOTE]Some people were using this metric before, number of days to reach 100 posts:

Sirioja slightly less than 7 days. Mursenary 18 days, Mr Ho 19 days, Turgid 27 days.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2579114]Mexico, Brazil, Russia had hardly any restriction.

Reposting here to stop the spammers from clogging up the actual mongering threads.[/QUOTE]You both are correct! No mass deaths in Nicaragua (no lockdown), Florida, Texas, or Sweden (very soft and un-intrusive measures). Mexico, Brazil, Russia had hardly any restriction. Proves that restrictions and / or lockdowns did not have any impact (neither increased nor decreased) on mass deaths from Covid-19.

Now let's stop putting any more Covid post on this Sharks thread unless it specifically involves Sharks, we have a Rants thread for Covid-arguments LOL.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2579119]LMFAO, you're the weirdo. Why can't you just admit it? Just look at how you're spamming this forum with irrelevant BS day after day.[/QUOTE]The Tourette's bot is back.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2579121]I hope people see these deceitful tactics. Water can kill human. Ivermectin toxicity and safety profile is well know since it been used since 1980, with 4 billion dose taken. At the dose that work for covid, it is as toxic as a baby aspirin. Unless you have a parasite, the death of a parasite can cause sickness for a few days. But wouldn't you want to get rid of a parasite anyway.

Adenovirus vector and mRNA, failed at gene therapy due to toxicity and safety concern. The hope is in the next 10, 20 years, people will come up with a formulation that will make mRNA LNP work for gene therapy. In the mean time, working and approved gene therapy is not using these platform. That is part of the reason it cost 2 to 3 million per dose.[/QUOTE]Since you're such an accomplished man of science, try citing your peer reviewed sources for "mRNA toxicity. " Please educate and elaborate on mRNA's "toxic effects."

Meanwhile, here is the covid dosage efficacy and toxicity review for Ivermectin per National Institute of Health, Journal of Clinical Pharmacology, and American Journal of Tropical Medicine. In short, in lieu of actual clinical trials, preliminary in vitro studies show that you would need 100 x the approved dosages approved in human use (12 MG). Worse, that amount only accumulates in the specific target tissue (the lungs) at half the required therapeutic concentration. 100 x more dose leads to half required bioavailability. 12 MG used for parasites wouldn't tickle Sars-Cov-2. Science.

[URL]https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/[/URL]

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12362927/[/URL]

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32314704/[/URL]

[QUOTE] Ivermectin has been shown to inhibit the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in cell cultures.13 However, pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic studies suggest that achieving the plasma concentrations necessary for the antiviral efficacy detected in vitro would require administration of doses up to 100-fold higher than those approved for use in humans.14,15 Even though ivermectin appears to accumulate in the lung tissue, predicted systemic plasma and lung tissue concentrations are much lower than 2 uM, the half-maximal inhibitory concentration (IC50) against SARS-CoV-2 in vitro.16-19 Subcutaneous administration of ivermectin 400 g/kg had no effect on SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in hamsters.
[/QUOTE]Human studies per the Journal of the American Medical Association showed that dosages double the normal approved dose showed no effect on disease outcome:

[URL]https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389[/URL].[QUOTE]In this double-blind, randomized trial of symptomatic adults with mild COVID-19, a 5-day course of ivermectin vs placebo initiated in the first 7 days after evidence of infection [b]failed to significantly improve the time to resolution of symptoms.[/b]

Interest in ivermectin in COVID-19 therapy began from an in vitro study that found that bathing SARS-CoV-2infected Vero-hSLAM cells with 5-μM ivermectin led to an approximately 5000-fold reduction in viral RNA.8 However, pharmacokinetic models indicated that the concentrations used in the in vitro study are difficult to achieve in human lungs or plasma,25 and [b]inhibitory concentrations of ivermectin are unlikely to be achieved in humans at clinically safe doses.[/b][/QUOTE]Scienced again.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2578941]I hope for you that you have good timing. If all goes well, then line-ups should be back to old standard again by October and the upselling should be back to a normal level. If all goes to shit, then expect more lockdowns starting in September-October. As people might know, I'm expecting the second scenario, but just to be clear: I am not in favour of lockdowns and vaccinations. The best strategy would have been to re-open everything as normal last year and go for herd immunity, as Sweden has done. Perhaps (on paper) more "Covid" deaths in Sweden, but far less deaths due to suicides, untreated diseases like cancer and cardiovascular, a ruined economy, and ruined livelihoods. In the end it all balances out, but without totalitarian measures and closed FKKs.

So far 4 million dead by "Covid" (including the many 'deaths' by falsified statistics), which on a worldwide population of 7,8 billion is a total joke. No significant difference between North Dakota (strict DNC lockdown) and South Dakota (much more liberal).

No mass deaths in Nicaragua (no lockdown), Florida, Texas, or Sweden (very soft and un-intrusive measures) as 'predicted' by all the fearmongers.[/QUOTE]4 millions deaths from covid are more than enough for me and when fourth wave under delta is arriving in EU, Catalunya and Portugal putting on new restrictions again, rate exploding in NL, wish we can enjoy this Summer, even much more complicated for Europeans than on last Summer.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2579122]You're such a pathetic weirdo, you should try to stop acting like a troll and post something relevant for once.[/QUOTE]Bror, re-invent yourself. That stuff is just boring, just like you. If you want to be a troll you at least need to try to be funny.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2579173]He knows his assertion is wrong. Now just too proud to admit. Does not rule out Autism spectrum.[/QUOTE]I don't care who they accept, I m not so scared by covid, I just wish for a fine belly and no rain to start my Summer tour. I heard for hours from Samya desk: do you have test? If they don't ask for 48 hours negative test, then they make a big mistake when many vaccinated are positive and spreading, why delta is spreading so fast in EU and fourth wave arriving with already some new restrictions in some places. Only my subjective opinion of course, but where tourism, rate explode.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2579114]Mexico, Brazil, Russia had hardly any restriction...[/QUOTE]Colombia has no restrictions currently. They recently removed the PCR test requirement.

Its happening in Germany now, same as the USA, the rental car rates are through the roof. There is no affordable way to get rental cars and the savings for the girls rates are overruled by the +100 per day rental car charges.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2579114]Mexico, Brazil, Russia had hardly any restriction.

Reposting here to stop the spammers from clogging up the actual mongering threads.[/QUOTE]You don't like the inconvenient facts that prove that lockdowns and masks are useless do you?

Remember: it's the lockdowns, the masks, the vaccine madness that kept FKKs closed! In short: it's because of CCP crypto-fascists like you who follow the Chinese Model of Social Credit, lockdowns, fascist state monitoring of it's citizens and experimental vaccines.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2579178]No don't worry they're part of your paranoid gang. Some of them think that the vaccine will make them sterile, or magnetic, or whatever.[/QUOTE]Even bigger paranoid idiots believe that the 'vaccine' will protect them from Covid and that they will get their freedom back! Hahahaha!

"Vaxxing macht Frei!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2579211]The Tourette's bot is back.[/QUOTE]We have at least two weirdos suffering from autism related troubles here.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2579322]Its happening in Germany now, same as the USA, the rental car rates are through the roof. There is no affordable way to get rental cars and the savings for the girls rates are overruled by the +100 per day rental car charges.[/QUOTE]I remember renting perfectly fine cars like Ford Focus, Fiesta, even an Austin Mini for less than 20 euros a day. What a disaster.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2579383]You don't like the inconvenient facts that prove that lockdowns and masks are useless do you?

Remember: it's the lockdowns, the masks, the vaccine madness that kept FKKs closed! In short: it's because of CCP crypto-fascists like you who follow the Chinese Model of Social Credit, lockdowns, fascist state monitoring of it's citizens and experimental vaccines.[/QUOTE]And it's because of the no lockdowns no mask no nothing policy that the death rates in India and Brazil are skyrocketing.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2579322]Its happening in Germany now, same as the USA, the rental car rates are through the roof. There is no affordable way to get rental cars and the savings for the girls rates are overruled by the +100 per day rental car charges.[/QUOTE]I reserved my rental for the end of July / August for $67 USD per day via booking dot com. And it was advertised as 20% discount because I also booked a hotel with them. I agree, it is fucking hell with cars right now, but I can no longer stay home in sex prison USA. Too afraid of the 4th or 5th or whatever wave and next lockdown that governments may impose in the fall. I must go now.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2579414]I remember renting perfectly fine cars like Ford Focus, Fiesta, even an Austin Mini for less than 20 euros a day. What a disaster.[/QUOTE]My best deal was like 12 euros a day. Cheaper than the train.

At Murse,

It is not in the interest of company to public result saying their drug is toxic. Most, if not all of moderna partner for gene therapy was pulling back funding because it fail. Don't get me wrong, mRNA / LNP is a great technology. Let just say I have an interest in finding a company with the formulation that is safe and hopefully specific. Point me to one company and I will treat you to a whole day at a FKK.

Do you know what is the FLCCC recommendation? 0. 2 MG / kg for prevention. 0. 2 to 0. 4 MG / kg for outpatient. 0. 4 to 0. 6 MG / kg for the sickest hospitalized patient. Per your links of publication, well below 2 MG / kg, even 2 MG / kg was still found to be safe. But no one are saying to take that high of a dose.

Have you read the JAMA publication that you posted the link? I look into it. One interpretation is Covid is not more than a flu to people under 65 and no comorbidity. These patient was so healthy that the researchers committed one of clinical trial red flag, changing the primary outcome in the middle of a trial. The original design for primary outcome was time to worsen. In the middle of the trial, they change it to time to resolution. Secondly, the adverse event is the same for both Ivermectin and placebo. I don't know, but it look like the placebo group got ivermectin to me.

But the most important conclusion I get form that study is covid is just a flu for people under 65 and no comorbidity.

Why don't look at the many study, saying that ivermectin work for both prevention and treatment.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2579534]At Murse,

It is not in the interest of company to public result saying their drug is toxic. Most, if not all of moderna partner for gene therapy was pulling back funding because it fail. Don't get me wrong, mRNA / LNP is a great technology. Let just say I have an interest in finding a company with the formulation that is safe and hopefully specific. Point me to one company and I will treat you to a whole day at a FKK.[/QUOTE]Considering that the use of mRNA vaccines is not gene therapy on human genetic material, I have no idea why you even discuss that. It's foreign genetic material that is translated without manipulating human dna. You probably know that but in ill-faith connect it to "failed gene therapy" efforts.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2579534]Do you know what is the FLCCC recommendation? 0. 2 MG / kg for prevention. 0. 2 to 0. 4 MG / kg for outpatient. 0. 4 to 0. 6 MG / kg for the sickest hospitalized patient. Per your links of publication, well below 2 MG / kg, even 2 MG / kg was still found to be safe. But no one are saying to take that high of a dose.[/QUOTE]First, looks like you confused 2 MG / kg for 2 micrograms. Who proposed 2 MG / kg to be safe? That's 150 MG for a 75 kg man. You trying to kill people? Geesuz.

I'll leave the door open for Ivermectin as a prophylaxis because that has merit. But that's not exactly something that could have been deployed in large scale until much later in the pandemic year as it took that long to generate studies to support any efficacy.

But as for treatment, find where those FLCCC recommended doses are supported in peer reviewed studies when studies in laboratory results suggests a much higher effective dose. And as always, lab results are always ideal estimates and real world efficacy requires much higher dosages due to decreased efficacy because of lower bioavailability.

I mean, did you even vet your source?

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2579534]Have you read the JAMA publication that you posted the link? I look into it. One interpretation is Covid is not more than a flu to people under 65 and no comorbidity. ()

But the most important conclusion I get form that study is covid is just a flu for people under 65 and no comorbidity.

Why don't look at the many study, saying that ivermectin work for both prevention and treatment.[/QUOTE]Considering that I posted an excerpt directly from the JAMA article, I believe yeah, it was read. Not sure why you didn't address the point of the JAMA article, that 0. 3 MG / kg of Ivermectin produced no benefit for COVID treatment, even in just MILD cases.

And then you misdirect and start talking about COVID to flu parallels. Why? Even considering that, your own FLCCC, even talks about post-COVID long haulers.

Furthermore, why does your beloved FLCCC invest so much effort into COVID treatment when you at the same time are belittling COVID severity. Seems quite incongruent. I mean, did YOU even read the JAMA article? Where is this point of under 65 people not having major problems mentioned in the JAMA article? Did you make this part up thinking I wouldn't notice? Makes me further question your integrity.

Per FLCCC website:

[QUOTE]Ivermectin in post-COVID-19 syndrome
Increasing reports of persistent, vexing, and even disabling symptoms after recovery from acute COVID-19 have been reported and which many have termed the condition as long Covid and patients as long haulers, estimated to occur in approximately 10% of cases (Callard and Perego, 2020;Rubin, 2020;Siegelman, 2020). Generally considered as a post-viral syndrome consisting of a chronic and sometimes disabling constellation of symptoms which include, in order, fatigue, shortness of breath, joint pains and chest pain. Many patients describe their most disabling symptom as impaired memory and concentration, often with extreme fatigue, described as brain fog, and are highly suggestive of the condition myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome, a condition well- reported to begin after viral infections, in particular with Epstein-Barr virus. Although no specific
www.flccc.net.[/QUOTE]At the end of the day, the few studies FLCCC use as supporting evidence is at minimum contradicted by other more proven sources such as the cited American Medical Association. The choice to believe in a group with a suspicious reputation and holding political allegiance over the leading physicians authority in the world is a bit questionable and reeks of professional bias.

According to this article:

[URL]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01433-3[/URL]

It sounds really worse than the flu.

People aged 16-30 still having difficulties to breath 6 months after? Doesn't sound good.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2579384]Even bigger paranoid idiots believe that the 'vaccine' will protect them from Covid and that they will get their freedom back! Hahahaha!

"Vaxxing macht Frei![/QUOTE]You might want to educate yourself what paranoia means. Get a dictionary.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2579264]when many vaccinated are positive and spreading, why delta is spreading so fast in EU and fourth wave arriving with already some new restrictions in some places. Only my subjective opinion of course, but where tourism, rate explode.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't it be nice if people would educate themselves before coming with strong opinions. Please quote a single source that says that vaccinated people are being infected in large numbers. Oh, I forget you only trust what you can see with your own eyes. Well, did you see with your own eyes the virus jumping from a vaccinated person to another person? Or you trust French doctors? How come Macron makes vaccination of all health care personnel mandatory? Does he listen to French doctors or not?

Let's not forget that the vaccine was purposefully released onto the population. We know this from the Chinese covered it up. And also from certain amino acids on the crown which enhances mutation rates. As well as a vaccine patent in China against the virus even before it had been released.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2578941]So far 4 million dead by "Covid" (including the many 'deaths' by falsified statistics), which on a worldwide population of 7,8 billion is a total joke. No significant difference between North Dakota (strict DNC lockdown) and South Dakota (much more liberal).

No mass deaths in Nicaragua (no lockdown), Florida, Texas, or Sweden (very soft and un-intrusive measures) as 'predicted' by all the fearmongers.[/QUOTE]Here's an example of massive misrepresentation of data.

Claim: no lockdown in Nicaragua and no massive deaths.

Reality: Nicaragua does not actively test for covid. However excess death remains high and undercount ratio is 2nd only Tak It's actually ranked 2nd in the world only to Tajikistan, wherever that is. Nicaragua undercounts somewhere in the 50 x vicinity.

[URL]https://elifesciences.org/download/aHR0cHM6Ly9jZG4uZWxpZmVzY2llbmNlcy5vcmcvYXJ0aWNsZXMvNjkzMzYvZWxpZmUtNjkzMzYtdjIucGRmP2Nhbm9uaWNhbFVyaT1odHRwczovL2VsaWZlc2NpZW5jZXMub3JnL2FydGljbGVzLzY5MzM2/elife-69336-v2.pdf?_hash=Y7t7DrsfdIrmm%2BIFMaGJg%2Bm1L7xZXlt2UqJcQB2KOYY%3D[/URL]

[URL]https://havanatimes.org/features/nicaragua-underreports-covid-19-deaths-by-90/[/URL]

As for North Dakota and South Dakota, more false scapegoating. North Dakota's restrictions were governor mandates, a republican. Furthermore, at the time of restriction mandates, both States had some of the highest rates in the nation. However North Dakota declined much faster, starting higher and ended lower in a quicker time span. Not like the restrictions were much of anything anyway.

[URL]https://www.postbulletin.com/newsmd/coronavirus/6824462-North-Dakota-got-a-mask-mandate-South-Dakota-didnt.-COVID-19-cases-have-plummeted-in-both[/URL]

No idea where these people get the no mass casualties in Texas claim. They're just randomly making up shit and seeing what they want to see.

More politically bias bullshit. An insult to data representation.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2578743]You asked, I just answered. Same than at LR when you came and needed to tell me your so pathetic story, or did I come to you and tell you about my girls? I will have to waste my time, drive more than 1200 kms and take risk in dangerous Switzerland for you, so don't forget Sambrancher croosroads on 2 October and if you forget, at least let me know here, not to make me going for nothing, when Verbier is not on my climbing tour, when I didn't even take risk to go to ski on April. Ego is good engine for life.[/QUOTE]Awaiting wager. Don't see it.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2579383]Remember: it's the lockdowns, the masks, the vaccine madness that kept FKKs closed! In short: it's because of CCP crypto-fascists like you who follow the Chinese Model of Social Credit, lockdowns, fascist state monitoring of it's citizens and experimental vaccines.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure it was the massive amounts of people dying that kept clubs closed. Would have been much more if your kind had their way. FKKs would have been closed maybe forever if your people had won out. Good thing they lost.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2579534]At Murse,

It is not in the interest of company to public result saying their drug is toxic. Most, if not all of moderna partner for gene therapy was pulling back funding because it fail. Don't get me wrong, mRNA / LNP is a great technology. Let just say I have an interest in finding a company with the formulation that is safe and hopefully specific. Point me to one company and I will treat you to a whole day at a FKK.

Do you know what is the FLCCC recommendation? 0. 2 MG / kg for prevention. 0. 2 to 0. 4 MG / kg for outpatient. 0. 4 to 0. 6 MG / kg for the sickest hospitalized patient. Per your links of publication, well below 2 MG / kg, even 2 MG / kg was still found to be safe. But no one are saying to take that high of a dose.

Have you read the JAMA publication that you posted the link? I look into it. One interpretation is Covid is not more than a flu to people under 65 and no comorbidity. These patient was so healthy that the researchers committed one of clinical trial red flag, changing the primary outcome in the middle of a trial. The original design for primary outcome was time to worsen. In the middle of the trial, they change it to time to resolution. Secondly, the adverse event is the same for both Ivermectin and placebo. I don't know, but it look like the placebo group got ivermectin to me.[/QUOTE]At the very least all those on the Ivermectin plan will be free of lice, crabs, and skin mites.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2579640]Wouldn't it be nice if people would educate themselves before coming with strong opinions. Please quote a single source that says that vaccinated people are being infected in large numbers. Oh, I forget you only trust what you can see with your own eyes. Well, did you see with your own eyes the virus jumping from a vaccinated person to another person? Or you trust French doctors? How come Macron makes vaccination of all health care personnel mandatory? Does he listen to French doctors or not?[/QUOTE]I believe that it's been made clear that the uptick in UK cases has been largely associated with the young and / or unvaccinated. Same here in the United States in a handful of the most unvaccinated states. These new cases are disproportionately skewed to milder symptoms because they are seen in the relatively young. Hospitalizations have been trending up but less so than during the Christmas wave. But more importantly, as expected, deaths have not correlated to the same degree as the previous waves. My hospital went from 0 ICU cases to 3 in the past week. All 3 are in their 50's and were unvaccinated. Only one required intubation.

[QUOTE=Canary;2577132].[QUOTE=Perfectionist;2576793]Unfortunately this is the case. Is there any way that we can limit the quantity of posts by 'S'.

I have no intention of causing bad feeling. For those who take this forum as a useful informative tool you will understand where I am coming from.

Even prior to Covid the excessive posts of non informative drivel by 'S' has completely dominated the forum.

I for one would like to see a return to regular updates on daily visits to Sharks and reading about the Good and Bad experiences had.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with your sentiments.

Although this site continues to add informative posts which help us all in our hobby I do find there are more totally irrelevant posts than before, thus diluting the quality of information that we all use and value. Well I do![/QUOTE]I agree with you. I wish we could see more informative posts instead of posts by 'S'.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2579650]Let's not forget that the vaccine was purposefully released onto the population. We know this from the Chinese covered it up. And also from certain amino acids on the crown which enhances mutation rates. As well as a vaccine patent in China against the virus even before it had been released.[/QUOTE]And by that I meant covid-19 was purposefully released onto the public. Which is not to also say that my initial post here is actually kinda funny given that error.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2579440]And it's because of the no lockdowns no mask no nothing policy that the death rates in India and Brazil are skyrocketing.[/QUOTE]That's simply not true. Both countries had lockdowns and restrictions, you really should educate yourself better before you decide to spread fake news. Try Google.

It's also interesting to see how there are other countries with more deaths per capita which you choose to ignore. There are also countries with less restrictions than India and Brazil which fared better. You're nothing but an uneducated demagogue.

You're brainwashed by the media, that's what you're talking about India and Brazil even though more people died per capita in Peru and Hungary.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2579640]Wouldn't it be nice if people would educate themselves before coming with strong opinions. Please quote a single source that says that vaccinated people are being infected in large numbers. Oh, I forget you only trust what you can see with your own eyes. Well, did you see with your own eyes the virus jumping from a vaccinated person to another person? Or you trust French doctors? How come Macron makes vaccination of all health care personnel mandatory? Does he listen to French doctors or not?[/QUOTE]It's a well established fact that many, many fully vaccinated did in fact get infected with COVID-19. But please do show a source which says that fully vaccinated can't get infected.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2579674]Pretty sure it was the massive amounts of people dying that kept clubs closed. Would have been much more if your kind had their way. FKKs would have been closed maybe forever if your people had won out. Good thing they lost.[/QUOTE]Haha, nope. You're wrong. Stop it with your lies and uneducated guesses.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2579257]Bror, re-invent yourself. That stuff is just boring, just like you. If you want to be a troll you at least need to try to be funny.[/QUOTE]I'm not surprised to see that you're trying to gaslight serious posters as myself. Stop trying to ruin this forum with your BS trolling. You're not being funny, you're just a sad little weirdo.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2579211]The Tourette's bot is back.[/QUOTE]It's kinda sad that you don't realize how weird people think you're. You're the type of loser that women have to file a restraining order against. LMFAO! Get a life, a job and some friends.

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/israel-50-of-delta-variant-cases-vaccinated-severe-2021-6%3Famp[/URL]

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2579640]Wouldn't it be nice if people would educate themselves before coming with strong opinions. Please quote a single source that says that vaccinated people are being infected in large numbers. Oh, I forget you only trust what you can see with your own eyes. Well, did you see with your own eyes the virus jumping from a vaccinated person to another person? Or you trust French doctors? How come Macron makes vaccination of all health care personnel mandatory? Does he listen to French doctors or not?[/QUOTE]Because they are vaccinated, many are not careful, knowing they are quite protected, but they give to others. Would you let enter a vaccinated who is positive? What about both papy at Globe, Sofia won't have anymore geriatric business as past nurse, or at Sharks, then who will win for chess? And many fat? When delta fourth wave is arriving in EU, much faster spreading, Macron tries to protect weakest, when I never wrote not to vaccine, you can read all as you do, but I say this is not enough for covid playfield brothels and I don't say this being scared when I don't care for me, but if cluster, then closed for a while. About French forum you repeat bullshits without even knowing, you can read a claimed Globe specialist telling Megan started at Globe under covid, when she arrived on April 2017 and she wish to return to GT Bruggen when will reopen, but problem is she never worked at Bruggen and don't even know this club. FKK land of bullshits. For sure, not Megan. I would say Melissa ex Tara ex Ashley, long time German prostitute who finished at Globe on Summer 2020 , like whale on the beach. He even hallucinated seeing Linda ex YY NL. Maybe she put silicon to become Sofia ex Artemis?

At Murse,

I will assume that you have not read the the JAMA publication that you posted a link to. If have, then you are a lab technician who never design an experiment involving statistics in your life. Technician tend to just read the conclusion due to the lack of understand of the scientific process.

Experimental design 101. A study can only test what it was design to test. To do anything different, you are committing a sin of data mining. While data mining is useful (and I encourage people to do it), however, a conclusion / hypothesis from data mining must be tested again with a new experiment. That new experiment must be powered and designed to test your new hypothesis coming from data mining.

I should get pay for teaching you this shit.

Now, on to the JAMA paper and I will connect the dot for you. The author designed an experiment to test ivermectin vs placebo with primary outcome as time to deterioration. Let look at the result.

Deterioration, 1. 8% in ivermectin, 3. 5% in the placebo.

Deaths, No one die in ivermectin, 1 person die in placebo.

The author incorrectly design the study with the assumption, covid will lead to deterioration in this population. The reality is COVID is just a flu or common cold in this population. It might be deathly in other population. But that is not what they are looking at. Understand.

The author decided that the above data is meaningless. Therefore, they decided to change the primary outcome to time to resolution. Red flag.

Time to resolution, 10 days for ivermectin vs 12 days for placebo.

Once again the above data is meaningless because this population is too healthy. They need to powered it correct with a new study. The rule of thumb is you need a large (N) If you have a healthy population.

In addition, the author made an error and rightfully accounted for that. However, I'm a little surprise that the adverse event is the same for both ivermectin and placebo. Suggesting other error which was not caught. Ivermectin is safe, but even an baby aspirin will have some detectable adverse event. Anyway, I'm less concern about this and more concern about the poor experimental design.

Take away, Covid is a common cold in this population of people under 65, with no comorbidities, living in this geographical area. Other population, covid might be deathly, I don't know. OK.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2579799]It's kinda sad that you don't realize how weird people think you're. You're the type of loser that women have to file a restraining order against. LMFAO! Get a life, a job and some friends.[/QUOTE]I got you covered dude:

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2579797]I'm not surprised to see that you're trying to gaslight serious posters as myself. Stop trying to ruin this forum with your BS trolling. You're not being funny, you're just a sad little weirdo.[/QUOTE]Back to trolling all of us?

Or having another psychotic episode?

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2579851]At Murse,

I will assume that you have not read the the JAMA publication that you posted a link to. If have, then you are a lab technician who never design an experiment involving statistics in your life. Technician tend to just read the conclusion due to the lack of understand of the scientific process.

Experimental design 101. A study can only test what it was design to test. To do anything different, you are committing a sin of data mining. While data mining is useful (and I encourage people to do it), however, a conclusion / hypothesis from data mining must be tested again with a new experiment. That new experiment must be powered and designed to test your new hypothesis coming from data mining.

I should get pay for teaching you this shit.

Now, on to the JAMA paper and I will connect the dot for you. The author designed an experiment to test ivermectin vs placebo with primary outcome as time to deterioration. Let look at the result.

Deterioration, 1. 8% in ivermectin, 3. 5% in the placebo.

Deaths, No one die in ivermectin, 1 person die in placebo.

The author incorrectly design the study with the assumption, covid will lead to deterioration in this population. The reality is COVID is just a flu or common cold in this population. It might be deathly in other population. But that is not what they are looking at. Understand.

The author decided that the above data is meaningless. Therefore, they decided to change the primary outcome to time to resolution. Red flag..[/QUOTE]And you're a low integrity "researcher" who uses red herrings and misdirection ignoring things to which you have no rebuttal who doesn't know the difference between a milligram and a microgram.

Anyway, Quite a reach of a conclusion with lots of little borderline grab-out-of-your-ass particulars for the cited JAMA study when the FLCCC's main cited study of focus (Egypt) compared Ivermectin to HCQ (suspect?) while all other studies they cited had sample sizes in the teens. It goes both ways.

One thing is clear, the NIH article from the Journal of Pharmacology indisputably showed that just in LAB studies showed that in pure tissue (the molecular level), Ivermectin required much higher doses in order to produce anti-viral effects against SARS-COV-2. And that's without being filtered by the liver or attached to binding proteins in the body, Bioavailability. Do you even understand pharmacodynamics? Apparently not.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2579860]Back to trolling all of us?

Or having another psychotic episode?[/QUOTE]Dude,

You live on this site. Do you understand how pathetic that is? It's obvious that you're the one having serious mental problems. Please keep trolling so I can laugh at you and thank God that I'm not you.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2579831]Because they are vaccinated, many are not careful, knowing they are quite protected.[/QUOTE]Please explain how you are more careful in a brothel, with or without a vaccine. The rest of the post is just meaningless gibberish which has nothing to do with the subject.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2579801][URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/israel-50-of-delta-variant-cases-vaccinated-severe-2021-6%3Famp[/URL][/QUOTE]Next time maybe read more than just the title. Here is the key point: "An analysis by UK health officials found that two doses of Pfizer's vaccine were 88% effective against Delta while a single shot was 33% effective. That's compared with 95% efficacy against the original strain, or 52% after one shot. "

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2579971]Dude,

You live on this site. Do you understand how pathetic that is? It's obvious that you're the one having serious mental problems. Please keep trolling so I can laugh at you and thank God that I'm not you.[/QUOTE]Yawn. Basic trolling. Try harder.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2579986]Next time maybe read more than just the title. Here is the key point: "An analysis by UK health officials found that two doses of Pfizer's vaccine were 88% effective against Delta while a single shot was 33% effective. That's compared with 95% efficacy against the original strain, or 52% after one shot. "[/QUOTE]Are you really this stupid or are you just pretending because I squashed your argument into a million pieces? And don't try to change the subject, let me remind you of your own words:

"Please quote a single source that says that vaccinated people are being infected in large numbers".

I'm amazed by how stupid people on this forum are. I feel sorry for your coworkers, or in Nurse case; his mother.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2580052]Are you really this stupid or are you just pretending because I squashed your argument into a million pieces? And don't try to change the subject, let me remind you of your own words:

"Please quote a single source that says that vaccinated people are being infected in large numbers".

I'm amazed by how stupid people on this forum are. I feel sorry for your coworkers, or in Nurse case; his mother.[/QUOTE]"New daily cases reported in Israel have jumped to over 100", out of that maybe half on vaccinated people, with no number how many of those were actually fully vaccinated. So less than 50 is a large number for you?

You can't even troll properly, you have to try harder to make it interesting, this is too easy. You are just as easy to make a fool of like S.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2580052]I'm amazed by how stupid people on this forum are. I feel sorry for your coworkers, or in Nurse case; his mother.[/QUOTE]When one has to insult another person by labeling them some profession with derogatory intent, it shows that they have no content in their words. It's a reflection that even they have no faith on the merit of their own argument.

Arguments made with ill-faith same to be prevalent from the same cast of characters.

Anyway, fully vaccinated makes up 8% of June's Delta cases in the UK:

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57610998.amp[/URL]

The line up at Sharks must be fantastic if people are spending more time talking about salmon than about sexy WGs. LOL!

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2580052]Are you really this stupid or are you just pretending because I squashed your argument into a million pieces? And don't try to change the subject, let me remind you of your own words:

"Please quote a single source that says that vaccinated people are being infected in large numbers".

I'm amazed by how stupid people on this forum are. I feel sorry for your coworkers, or in Nurse case; his mother.[/QUOTE]Yes, ignorance and stupidity are bliss.

Funny how the narrative changed: first the vaccine was "the only way end the pandemic," but now it has been twisted into "you'll still get infected, but it won't be as bad. " Hahahaha!

In the EUSSR only 50% of people have received their second vaccine shot, but the Pharma Fascists are already talking about a third "booster shot!" That's how well the vaccine 'protects' you from SARS-CoV-2! / sarc.

In the meantime, "thousands of unvaccinated people are getting infected with the Delta Plus Variant" all over Europe, but hospitals are empty! That's how "dangerous" it is!

Guess what: I'll stick to my natural immune system instead of chemical shit from Big Pharma, as 99,85% of people under 70 have no problemo whatsoever with Covid19! If I get a cold or a flu, I'll sick it out! Fuck Big Pharma, fuck the politicians, fuck the Snowflake Crybabies, fuck Klaus Schwab, fuck the Goebbels Mainstream Media, and fuck the CCP!

At Murse.

I have to work and don't have time to write a book on every point you bring up.

Once again, when you post a link, did you even read it?

[QUOTE]Subjects (n = 68) were assigned to one of four panels (3:1, ivermectin/placebo): 30 or 60 mg (three times a week) or 90 or 120 mg (single dose). The 30 mg panel (range: 34 7-594 microg/kg) also received a single dose with food after a 1-week washout. Safety assessments addressed both known ivermectin CNS effects and general toxicity[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Ivermectin was generally well tolerated, with no indication of associated CNS toxicity for doses up to 10 times the highest FDA-approved dose of 200 microg/kg[/QUOTE]Up to 10 x the highest dose of. That is 200 micrg / kg X 10 equal to 2 MG / kg. Unless my English is wrong here? As I said, no one is recommending this high of a dose, even if your link said that it is safe.

Dude, your just a technician who think you can go from lab bench to bed side. WTF. You can't even go from animal to the bed. That is sooo amateurish.

There are many, many publication supporting ivermectin. Each by itself does not mean shit and I can sit here and rip it apart all day. However, taking together and with metastudy done by FLCCC as well as other, it is a powerful evident. Not gold standard but powerful evident in my book. In addition, doctor all over the world, claiming they see their patient get better the next day. Once again anecdote does mean shit. But taking all together. I will be taking ivermectin if I even get a sneeze.

I trust the FLCCC doctor. I don't trust our scientific bureaucrat. I see to many amateurish technician go in to bureaucrat.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2580115]"New daily cases reported in Israel have jumped to over 100", out of that maybe half on vaccinated people, with no number how many of those were actually fully vaccinated. So less than 50 is a large number for you?

You can't even troll properly, you have to try harder to make it interesting, this is too easy. You are just as easy to make a fool of like S.[/QUOTE]So 50 % is not much, it's hilarious how you try to change the narrative time after time.

And then the Dunning-Kruger effect kicks in, you're simply too stupid to realize that you're the stupid one.

You can gaslight and troll all you want, in the end of the day you're still wrong.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580127]When one has to insult another person by labeling them some profession with derogatory intent, it shows that they have no content in their words. It's a reflection that even they have no faith on the merit of their own argument.

Arguments made with ill-faith same to be prevalent from the same cast of characters.

Anyway, fully vaccinated makes up 8% of June's Delta cases in the UK:

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57610998.amp[/URL][/QUOTE]This is hilarious, you must be schizophrenic considering how you just the other day called me a troll and psychopathic. Or how you called me a "school shooter".

Yeah, you got some serious mental problems, that's probably why you don't have any job, friends or life. You're a sad little weirdo who spends all his time writing BS on ISG from his mother's basement. You have to understand that you're a loser, get back to me when you have a life.

Thank you for proving my point, 8% is very much a significant number.

The indisputable fact is that vaccinated people are still getting infected with COVID.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580037]Yawn. Basic trolling. Try harder.[/QUOTE]I'm not trolling, just telling how it's. Stop trying to deflect from the fact that you're an unemployed loser without any real friends. Just admit that you're a weirdo and that's probably the reason why you spend so much time on this site day after day.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2580156]I'm not trolling, just telling how it's. Stop trying to deflect from the fact that you're an unemployed loser without any real friends. Just admit that you're a weirdo and that's probably the reason why you spend so much time on this site day after day.[/QUOTE]So young, so angry. Must be the hormones in the chickens.

"That boy ain't right."

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2580152]At Murse.

I have to work and don't have time to write a book on every point you bring up.

Once again, when you post a link, did you even read it?

Up to 10 x the highest dose of. That is 200 micrg / kg X 10 equal to 2 MG / kg. Unless my English is wrong here? As I said, no one is recommending this high of a dose, even if your link said that it is safe.

Dude, your just a technician who think you can go from lab bench to bed side. WTF. You can't even go from animal to the bed. That is sooo amateurish.

There are many, many publication supporting ivermectin. Each by itself does not mean shit and I can sit here and rip it apart all day. However, taking together and with metastudy done by FLCCC as well as other, it is a powerful evident. Not gold standard but powerful evident in my book. In addition, doctor all over the world, claiming they see their patient get better the next day. Once again anecdote does mean shit. But taking all together. I will be taking ivermectin if I even get a sneeze.

I trust the FLCCC doctor. I don't trust our scientific bureaucrat. I see to many amateurish technician go in to bureaucrat.[/QUOTE]What's with these guys and their tendency to label a person with an occupation with derogatory intent? Lab tech, nurse. Pessimist once called me a researcher. Is it insecurity issues leading them to talk shit on society's blue collar workers? Or is that the natural thing to do when one gets called out on their bullshit, straw-man and ad hominem attacks. Not to mention the slimy and snobby energy of repulsive arrogance that type of thinkinv implies about the poster.

Anyway. English motherfucker, do you speak it? Article clearly states that even at 10 times the recommended dose, it would [B]not be effective[/B]. At no point did they say that ten times dose (2 MG) was safe. Geesuz fucking christ. Arrogant and can't read.

If you are going to come at someone with insults of intelligence and qualifications, you might want to get your shit together first. Step one, work on reading comprehension of a scientific paper.[QUOTE]Cumulatively, the findings suggest that ivermectin does not significantly affect the course of early COVID-19, consistent with pharmacokinetic models showing that plasma total and unbound ivermectin levels do not reach the concentration resulting in 50% of viral inhibition even for a dose level 10-times higher than the approved dose[/QUOTE]Dude doesn't trust the American Medical Association. Meanwhile, trusts FLCCC doctors who took information from third world studies with the smallest of sample sizes. Not to mention largest study that compares Ivermectin to hydroxychloroquine rather than placebos.

You're not bedside or clinical, stay in your lane. But then again, your inability to read a simple paper and extract the correct information makes me questions your research credentials.

The other scenario is that you are able to read correctly but doesn't have the integrity to present it truthfully. Maybe it's both.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2580132]The line up at Sharks must be fantastic if people are spending more time talking about salmon than about sexy WGs. LOL![/QUOTE]In all seriousness. We know you have your prerogative of seeing a future club closures and rooting for the current scene to fail.

But stop being a dick and keep that shit over here instead of flooding the club pertinent subforums.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2580155]Thank you for proving my point, 8% is very much a significant number.

The indisputable fact is that vaccinated people are still getting infected with COVID.[/QUOTE]That 8% is dangerous. That 8% is the reason covid will escape adaptive immunity, creating a mutation that will fuck humanity up. It is irresponsible for people to get this unproven fail gene therapy vaccine with unknown long term safety.

Unfortunately, scientist and vaccinated people don't believe in evolution.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2580156]I'm not trolling,[/QUOTE]Well that's a God damn lie.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2580132]The line up at Sharks must be fantastic if people are spending more time talking about salmon than about sexy WGs. LOL![/QUOTE]That's the issue. It came to my ears from fellow mongers who visited the place recently that the line up is.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2579985]Please explain how you are more careful in a brothel, with or without a vaccine. The rest of the post is just meaningless gibberish which has nothing to do with the subject.[/QUOTE]You don't seem to understand the meaning of words, being too obsessed new follower, so once again, 48 hours negative test is more safe for me for brothels than a vaccinated who is positive because he knows he is protected, and will give to his girls of the day, maybe he makes FKK tour, girls giving to 5/10 guys, some old, some fat, some diabetic, one who try to change his mind when he has cancer. My example about a claimed Switzerland and Globe specialist bullshiting about Megan I know a bit, since 6 years, even not anymore being her weekly regular at Globe, when she knows I preferred in Germany than public sex she would not want with me, she didn't even want in Spartacus I like for good light, is to not believe all what is written. But maybe you don't even know long time in business at YY NL, then GT Bruggen, then Globe, German Melissa? Who didn't return on 2021, like Linda also ex YY NL, when Virginia is ex Rotterdam, when I say girls don't start at Globe. Globe don't seem able to attract fresh flesh, when Samya, Velbert before, Sharks, Finca, Bab, are able. Found a virgin look and manners on last week end.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2580156]I'm not trolling, just telling how it's. Stop trying to deflect from the fact that you're an unemployed loser without any real friends. Just admit that you're a weirdo and that's probably the reason why you spend so much time on this site day after day.[/QUOTE]Or he gets paid (by the CCP or by Big Pharma) to be here. They like to recruit losers with a lot of time on their hands.

Here we go: official admission by the WHO that the experimental vaccine strategy has failed:

[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/529234-coronavirus-who-third-wave/[/URL]

[QUOTE]WHO declares 3rd wave of Covid-19 pandemic, says gains from vaccines have been reversed as Delta variant spreads[/QUOTE]It was all so predictable (Corona viruses mutate faster than Big Pharma can develop 'vaccines. ' but Mursenary, BigBuddy69, PaulInZurich have plunged the P6 world into fear about nothing.

If we had not followed the fascist CCP strategy of lockdowns, this flu wave would have been behind us since summer last year, and we would have been clubbing now without masks, without tests, and enjoying a great line-up!

[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL]

Page 7:

[QUOTE]For people < 70 years old, the infection fatality rate of COVId-19 across 40 locations with
available data ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% (median 0.05%); the corrected values were similar. [/QUOTE]P.S. The above quoted paper by Prof. John Ioannidis was already submitted on May 13th 2020, that is last year! LOL!

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2580132]The line up at Sharks must be fantastic if people are spending more time talking about salmon than about sexy WGs. LOL![/QUOTE]Reminds me of "Beffen" who was always talking about having his side salad versus "tossing salad" on a hot girl LOL!

[QUOTE=JoeZakary;2580095]Anyone knows where they will be re-opening the Sauna? Any open Saunas in the other FKKs across Germany? (at the end of the day its a "sauna' club isn't?[/QUOTE]As already said the sauna is open. I can't find any covid rules in hessen which regulates the number of people in a sauna etc. What I can find is is a law that allows a maximum of 250 people in the club. Fully vaccinated people should not be included in this 250 people. That could be a reason there is a lack of girls in the club.

Does anyone know when Hessen is reviewing the rules? When can we expect a new report where they might change the rules? Do they have fixed dates when they present new rules?

[QUOTE=Kippen;2580325]As already said the sauna is open. I can't find any covid rules in hessen which regulates the number of people in a sauna etc. What I can find is is a law that allows a maximum of 250 people in the club. Fully vaccinated people should not be included in this 250 people. That could be a reason there is a lack of girls in the club.

Does anyone know when Hessen is reviewing the rules? When can we expect a new report where they might change the rules? Do they have fixed dates when they present new rules?[/QUOTE]I think that the 4th wave is already popping up in Europe, I wrote many times on this forum that the vaccines have efficiency around 50% at their best, more and more vaccinated people are getting sick. The covid is a virus like the normal flue, we never could get a real efficient vaccine against the flue why should the things change now? The different government are adapting their rules following the spread or not of the pandemic so impossible to answer your question.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2580291]Or he gets paid (by the CCP or by Big Pharma) to be here. They like to recruit losers with a lot of time on their hands.[/QUOTE]What? They pay he-nurses? Wow. "When your argument sucks, just throw every ad hominem possible."

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2580278]You don't seem to understand the meaning of words,.[/QUOTE]You seem to be too much a bullshitter to put up your money to complete the wager.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2580293]Here we go: official admission by the WHO that the experimental vaccine strategy has failed:

[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/529234-coronavirus-who-third-wave/[/URL]

It was all so predictable (Corona viruses mutate faster than Big Pharma can develop 'vaccines. ' but Mursenary, BigBuddy69, PaulInZurich have plunged the P6 world into fear about nothing.[/QUOTE]Claim: Vaccines failed:

Reality: Article cites declining vaccination rates in Europe and north America and lack of access to vaccines in third world nations for rising case numbers.

Conclusion: AntiVaxxerd and poverty are the biggest reason we're still dealing with covid.

[QUOTE]As increasing vaccination rates in Europe and North America started to take effect, we saw sustained declines in cases and deaths," Ghebreyesus said. "Unfortunately, those trends have now reversed (decrease vaccination rates and increasing cases), and we are in the early stages of a third wave."

Ghebreyesus lamented that lack of access to vaccines has left most of the world's population susceptible to infection and "at the mercy of the virus." While some nations with ample vaccine supplies have lifted social-distancing restrictions and reopened their societies, many countries haven't received any Covid-19 jabs, he added. Most don't have enough.

We continue to see a shocking disparity in the global distribution of vaccines and unequal access to life-saving tools," Ghebreyesus said. "This inequity has created a two-track pandemic."

G7 nations have pledged to donate a combined one billion doses over the next year, but the WHO chief said that "much more is needed, much faster.[/QUOTE]"Forget about seeing the inside of an FKK in 2021" -HammerTime69, January 2021.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2580191]That 8% is dangerous. That 8% is the reason covid will escape adaptive immunity, creating a mutation that will fuck humanity up. It is irresponsible for people to get this unproven fail gene therapy vaccine with unknown long term safety.

Unfortunately, scientist and vaccinated people don't believe in evolution.[/QUOTE]But you're a researcher who misinterprets major points of a scientific paper while admonishing others for being unqualified. Given this hit to credibility, who gives a shit about your opinion?

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2580191]That 8% is dangerous. That 8% is the reason covid will escape adaptive immunity, creating a mutation that will fuck humanity up. It is irresponsible for people to get this unproven fail gene therapy vaccine with unknown long term safety.

Unfortunately, scientist and vaccinated people don't believe in evolution.[/QUOTE]What's your threshold when you deem 8 percent after 2 doses to be too high?

2 doses of polio IPV vaccine is 90% effective (10% escape). The 4 doses recommended later in history (may happen with covid) led to 99% effective.

MMR is 93% effective against measles after one dose, 97% after 2. That's 7% and 3% escape.

MMR is 78% effective against Mumps after one dose, 88% after 2. (22% and 12% escape).

Tetanus Tdap vaccine has a 95% effectiveness against tetanus after 2 doses (5% escape).

Pertussis dTap vaccine has 80-90% effectiveness against Whooping Cough, (10-20% escape).

Varicella vaccine has a 90% effectiveness after 2 doses (10% escape).

At the moment, Pfizer-Moderna-AZ in the UK is collectively 92% effective against Delta after 2 doses. And that's without the benefit of some herd immunity seen in the other pathogens.

Quite parallel numbers, better in some cases. Anyone see any super polio, super measles, super chicken pox outbreaks? Those darn scientists.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2580293]If we had not followed the fascist CCP strategy of lockdowns, this flu wave would have been behind us since summer last year, and we would have been clubbing now without masks, without tests, and enjoying a great line-up![/QUOTE]Definitely the most impressive display of "sore loser" I have ever witnessed short of children "taking my ball and I'm going home. " (At least those kids went home and people stopped having to hear them whine.).

The sour grapes displayed by this one is insufferable.

"You will not see FKKs opening in 2021." -HammerTime69, February 2021.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580346]What? They pay he-nurses? Wow. "When your argument sucks, just throw every ad hominem possible."[/QUOTE]Its hilarious that you're pretending to get upset by ad hominem attacks when you're the one who derailed the conversation by all your lies and personal attacks.

You can either admit that you're an hypocritical asshole or it will be obvious to everyone that you got some serious mental problems.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580180]So young, so angry. Must be the hormones in the chickens.

"That boy ain't right."[/QUOTE]LMFAO, it's hilarious to see how desperate you're. Get a life boomer.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580233]Well that's a God damn lie.[/QUOTE]Another worthless BS post from you, are you really that lonely?

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2580291]Or he gets paid (by the CCP or by Big Pharma) to be here. They like to recruit losers with a lot of time on their hands.[/QUOTE]They should easily be able to recruit someone better than that clown. It's so obvious that he's weird little loser.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2580421]Another worthless BS post from you, are you really that lonely?[/QUOTE]3 responses to me in a row? That's called a Tourette's tic. Or do you just like licking my asshole that much?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2580421]Another worthless BS post from you, are you really that lonely?[/QUOTE]I mean. I'm not wrong.

Well what a messy comment section. Rants indeed.

Am I to expect dozens of guests shouting at each other and throwing drinks near the bar at Sharks when you guys start returning?

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2580439]Well what a messy comment section. Rants indeed.

Am I to expect dozens of guests shouting at each other and throwing drinks near the bar at Sharks when you guys start returning?[/QUOTE]I expect them to actually be quite meek people in person, cowering at the sight of any actual in-person confrontation. I've seen 'S' a few times. In person, he gives off the energy of a wet, shivering chihuahua.

Could you please show some respect to the chihuahuas? They're very decent living beings.

And is it possible that the Swedish troll writes all his insults in a single post? Because he's in my ignore list and I see 4 times the same sentence: 'this user is in your ignore list', 4 times in 7 minutes.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580360]"Forget about seeing the inside of an FKK in 2021" -HammerTime69, January 2021.[/QUOTE]So what? The essence is still true. You see the inside of an FKK club in July 2021 and what do you see? A shitty line up and hordes of tripods!

Herzlichen Glueckwunsch! / sarc.

P.S. 9 replies in less than 5 hours on one topic? You must be one very bored and one very lonely CCP troll.

Murse claim that ivermectin is unsafe, posted a link, but refuse to read what is on that link.

[QUOTE]Ivermectin was generally well tolerated, with no indication of associated CNS toxicity for doses up to 10 times the highest FDA-approved dose of 200 microg/kg[/QUOTE]10 time 200 microg / kg is a lot. I would never imaging anyone use that high of an amount.

Murse also posted a paper that claim ivermectin does not work. While he did not read. Or he did read it but don't understand it. The author admitted to having made an error, giving ivermectin to some of the placebo. How can a drug that Murse claim to kill people have the same side effect as the placebo. Clearly, the the author also make more error. He did understand that the aurthor was borderline data-mining. With data mining, I can prove shit cure cancer is a sub-population.

Mean while he pointed to a lab study as proof doses ivermectin needed to work. Data in the lab does not translate to human for a million of unknown reason, absorption, tissue distribution, on and on. In human, there is an immune system, inhibitory peptide, interferon and on, and on. All of these could work synergistically with ivermectin to treat covid. Who know.

What really matter, is that 48 small trials showing that ivermectin do work. While each one by itself does not mean much. In totality, with a meta analysis, the FLCCC shown that there is very strong evident that it do work.

Mean while Chris Matterson show early evident that the vaccine work differently in people under 50 and over 50. It is still early and remain to be proven.

If you are over 50 and taken the vaccine, you are more likely to deteriorate or die from Delta variant than un-vaccinated.

If you are under 50, it is the opposite of the statement above.

Clearly, we don't know much about this vaccine, it long term safety, and the ramification of immune escape. This is a grand experiment. I'm very pro-vaccine and I think it does great thing for human health. I'm just against these fail gene therapy vaccine. Some worry that we will prove the anti-vaxxer right, that covid vaccine is a terrible mistake, while we have an effective treat for covid. As some have pointed out, it would turn the whole public against all vaccine.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580442]I expect them to actually be quite meek people in person, cowering at the sight of any actual in-person confrontation. I've seen 'S' a few times. In person, he gives off the energy of a wet, shivering chihuahua.[/QUOTE]You've never even left your mother's basement.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580429]3 responses to me in a row? That's called a Tourette's tic. Or do you just like licking my asshole that much?[/QUOTE]LMFAO, a minute ago he was crying about "ad hominem", calling other posters "young and angry" and know he's talking about people "licking his asshole".

What kind of weirdo does that? He's obviously schizophrenic.

You're the biggest loser I've ever had the displeasure to come across. Making hundreds of posts on here week after week won't change that. You're a weird little loser and you will always be a weird little loser.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580432]I mean. I'm not wrong.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't want to be you, that's for sure.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2580493]Mean while Chris Matterson show early evident that the vaccine work differently in people under 50 and over 50. It is still early and remain to be proven.

If you are over 50 and taken the vaccine, you are more likely to deteriorate or die from Delta variant than un-vaccinated.

If you are under 50, it is the opposite of the statement above.

Clearly, we don't know much about this vaccine, it long term safety, and the ramification of immune escape. This is a grand experiment. I'm very pro-vaccine and I think it does great thing for human health. I'm just against these fail gene therapy vaccine. Some worry that we will prove the anti-vaxxer right, that covid vaccine is a terrible mistake, while we have an effective treat for covid. As some have pointed out, it would turn the whole public against all vaccine.[/QUOTE]Good info. Also if one doesn't smoke and doesn't have excessive weight or diabetes or heart disease, these are also factors.

The government legalizes marijuana in many US states during a respiratory pandemic. There is nothing done to stop smoking in apartments which have shared ventilation. Once the government gets serious then get back to them on taking their experimental vaccine.

If they can just come out with a normal vaccine.

Your FLCC website is obviously a pro ivermectin website (with a little hint of conspiracy theories), maybe funded by ivermectin producers. It's like using the website of the good Doctor Raoult to support the fact that hydroxychloroquin really works, or quoting Russia Today to prove that the good old Vladimir is a freedom loving president. That's propaganda.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2580293]Mursenary, BigBuddy69, PaulInZurich have plunged the P6 world into fear about nothing.[/QUOTE]Next step is world domination!

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2580487]Murse claim that ivermectin is unsafe, posted a link, but refuse to read what is on that link.

10 time 200 microg / kg is a lot. I would never imaging anyone use that high of an amount.

Murse also posted a paper that claim ivermectin does not work. While he did not read. Or he did read it but don't understand it. The author admitted to having made an error, giving ivermectin to some of the placebo. How can a drug that Murse claim to kill people have the same side effect as the placebo. Clearly, the the author also make more error. He did understand that the aurthor was borderline data-mining. With data mining, I can prove shit cure cancer is a sub-population.

Mean while he pointed to a lab study as proof doses ivermectin needed to work. Data in the lab does not translate to human for a million of unknown reason, absorption, tissue distribution, on and on. In human, there is an immune system, inhibitory peptide, interferon and on, and on. All of these could work synergistically with ivermectin to treat covid. Who know..[/QUOTE]I see you ignored your own misreading in asserting that anyone recommended 10 x dosing when they explicitly said 10 x dosing was not enough.

No need to make up scenarios. If your argument held merit, honesty would have been enough.

My point was that ivermectin in dosages required to be effective against covid was unsafe. Low dosages for anti-helminth use is fine.

Obviously I read my own paper since I pointed out that you falsely claimed that they suggested that a 10 x dose was safe when they just said that a 10 x dose would be ineffective. Obviously the no one recommends that high dose, it was a mis reading on your part. Or perhaps an intentional mistelling. Both are equally possible.

So again from JAMA:

[QUOTE]Cumulatively, the findings suggest that ivermectin does not significantly affect the course of early COVID-19, consistent with pharmacokinetic models showing that plasma total and unbound ivermectin levels do not reach the concentration resulting in 50% of viral inhibition even for a dose level 10-times higher than the approved dose[/QUOTE]The synergistic bit is a whole lot of bullshit meant to distract the lay man by using science words when the poster says nothing about how that works. That claim for this medicine's mechanism of action doesn't even jive. Ivermectin specifically loses bioavailability on first pass through the liver. That's a pharmacokinetic FACT.

When you say 48 studies, you confound prophylaxis studies with treatment studies. Yet in total, sample size would still be in the low thousands. More data manipulation / misrepresentation.

Your dishonesty on matters of science is should give you pause and shame.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2580500]If they can just come out with a normal vaccine.[/QUOTE]Johnson and Johnson. Pretty normal, non-mRNA vaccine.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2580477]So what? The essence is still true. You see the inside of an FKK club in July 2021 and what do you see? A shitty line up and hordes of tripods!

Herzlichen Glueckwunsch! / sarc.

P.S. 9 replies in less than 5 hours on one topic? You must be one very bored and one very lonely CCP troll.[/QUOTE]Nope and life. You get stuck with me.

No essence. Clubs open. Hookers in them. Many mongers have been enjoying them.

Sore loser. No honor. Just a big whiney mouth rooting for clubs to fail.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2580497]LMFAO, a minute ago he was crying about "ad hominem", calling other posters "young and angry" and know he's talking about people "licking his asshole".

What kind of weirdo does that? He's obviously schizophrenic.

You're the biggest loser I've ever had the displeasure to come across. Making hundreds of posts on here week after week won't change that. You're a weird little loser and you will always be a weird little loser.[/QUOTE]3 more in row? Get over me dude. Leave my asshole alone, I'm not into you. I'll fart on you next time.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2580503]Your FLCC website is obviously a pro ivermectin website (with a little hint of conspiracy theories), maybe funded by ivermectin producers. It's like using the website of the good Doctor Raoult to support the fact that hydroxychloroquin really works, or quoting Russia Today to prove that the good old Vladimir is a freedom loving president. That's propaganda.[/QUOTE]He ignores the points that directly contradict him. Typical bullshitter.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2580474]Could you please show some respect to the chihuahuas? They're very decent living beings.

And is it possible that the Swedish troll writes all his insults in a single post? Because he's in my ignore list and I see 4 times the same sentence: 'this user is in your ignore list', 4 times in 7 minutes.[/QUOTE]True. Girls use chihuahuas as therapy dogs sitting on their lap. Wait, that's like "s" following girls around stalking them in the club. So still very similar.

Murse, are you smoking. I want some of whatever you are having. It got to be really good.

[QUOTE] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12362927/[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Ivermectin was generally well tolerated, with no indication of associated CNS toxicity for doses up to 10 times the highest FDA-approved dose of 200 microg/kg[/QUOTE]You posted that link. You did. The above quote does NOT support your claim that ivermectin kill people.

The author of the JAMA paper admitted to an error of giving Ivermectin to the placebo. They rightful accounted for that. It is not misdirection to point out that the side effect is the same for both ivermectin and placebo. Clearly there is more error here. The author changes the primary end point in the middle of the trial. That is data miming when you don't like the result. The whole paper is questionable. Why should I believe them when they claim that 10 x higher dose is needed. That crazy idea originated from a cell culture lab bench study.

Scientist don't just read a paper and accept the conclusion. NO, no, no. They look to see if it was done correctly according to the scientific process.

Again, the FLCCC is not recommending this crazy high dose to anyone. From the FLCCC website.

14 invermectin prohylaxis trial.

26 invermectin early treatment trial.

22 invermectin late treatment trials.

With a total of 22,000 patients.

[QUOTE]When you say 48 studies, you confound prophylaxis studies with treatment studies. Yet in total, sample size would still be in the low thousands. More data manipulation / misrepresentation.[/QUOTE]No, I'm not misrepresent and I'm not confounding anything. You found only one erroneous, poorly designed study, done on a healthy population, where covid is just a common cold in this population. Am I suppose to just read and believe everything from a paper without any critical analysis? Am I not suppose to ask if it was done according to the scientific process? Am I just going to threw all of my training in the trash? Just because some dude name Murse on a hooker website think he is a scientist.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2580493]Mean while Chris Matterson show early evident that the vaccine work differently in people under 50 and over 50. It is still early and remain to be proven.

If you are over 50 and taken the vaccine, you are more likely to deteriorate or die from Delta variant than un-vaccinated.

If you are under 50, it is the opposite of the statement above.

Clearly, we don't know much about this vaccine, it long term safety, and the ramification of immune escape. This is a grand experiment. I'm very pro-vaccine and I think it does great thing for human health. I'm just against these fail gene therapy vaccine. Some worry that we will prove the anti-vaxxer right, that covid vaccine is a terrible mistake, while we have an effective treat for covid. As some have pointed out, it would turn the whole public against all vaccine.[/QUOTE]I am a pro vaccine, got so many shots since I am child. I got the Pfister but I don t think it is efficient, I just do it because the life is so much easier in Europe when you are vaccinated and with the Delta variant the things are getting worse. Probably the 4th wave is on it way and new restrictions will be implement sooner or latter.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580530]3 more in row? Get over me dude. Leave my asshole alone, I'm not into you. I'll fart on you next time.[/QUOTE]LMFAO, now you got 6 posts in a row! Stop spamming the forum with childish personal attacks and I might take it easy on you.

I understand that you might consider yourself to be funny, but you're not, just weird and childish with some serious mental problems. That's probably why you don't have any friends and still live in your mother's basement. Stop being such an angry, hypocritical, pathetic, weird loser.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580394] At the moment, Pfizer-Moderna-AZ in the UK is collectively 92% effective against Delta after 2 doses. And that's without the benefit of some herd immunity seen in the other pathogens.

Quite parallel numbers, better in some cases. Anyone see any super polio, super measles, super chicken pox outbreaks? Those darn scientists.[/QUOTE]This is too complicated for morons to understand.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580347]You seem to be too much a bullshitter to put up your money to complete the wager.[/QUOTE]You don t have enough money to go to FKK? Aren t You specialist to get AO for free with crazy? To beg, when I don t need to be paid, I climb just for passion and adrenaline, Italians telling me I m really crazy to drive for nearly 5 hours through Dolomiti passo for only 10,5 kms of hell in Zoncolan, as say professionals and Gentile on other side of valley seem worst, go to see when You won t have enough money at Wellcum, around 1 hour driving. Let s see on the field on 2 October in Sambrancher. Ch. Just don t make me waste my time, when Verbier is not on my tour schedule, driving and spending time and money and taking risk in dangerous Switzerland only for You. I just wish for no rain.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580529]Just a big whiney mouth rooting for clubs to fail.[/QUOTE]Rooting for clubs to fail? Who's driving clubs into bankruptcy?

The crybabies who want the entire world locked down because of a flu (you, PaulInZurich, BigBuddy69) or me who has been pleading since 1 year for a Swedish modelled approach: protect the vulnerable (and let them be vaccinated if they want to) but allow healthy people to live a normal life and build up herd immunity?

More lies and gaslighting from the CCP troll who is losing face because the Marxist vaccine-lockdown strategy has clearly failed. Look at politically correct Australia: another complete lockdown because of a handful of "cases. " Expect the same in Marxist Europe once autumn starts.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580529]No essence. Clubs open. Hookers in them. Many mongers have been enjoying them.[/QUOTE]More CCP lies and gaslighting.

From the Sharks thread:

[QUOTE=Senex;2580495]I was there three times within a week. Absolutely overrated and also overpriced (with respect what some girls ask for and "deliver" on the Otter side. I have not much idea about situation in other clubs after Corona, but Sharks disappointed me very much. Also I could find only 1-3 stunners during 15 Hours of stay. Hey, It is Sharks.

Not worth to visit at the moment.

I hope things are getting better soon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580532]True. Girls use chihuahuas as therapy dogs sitting on their lap. Wait, that's like "s" following girls around stalking them in the club. So still very similar.[/QUOTE]There is a big difference. The girls enjoy the presence of the chihuahua.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2580477]P.S. 9 replies in less than 5 hours on one topic? You must be one very bored and one very lonely CCP troll.[/QUOTE]So true, but he will never have the balls to admit it.

So. I'm vaccinated without any side effects, but this meme kinda got me thinking.

If you have a bad or even fatal side effect.

The manufacturer is not responsible.

The vaccine promoting government is not responsible.

The vaccinating doctor or nurse is not responsible.

But if you chose not be vaccinated.

You are responsible?

Let that sink in. Is that even logical or legal?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2580639]LMFAO, now you got 6 posts in a row! Stop spamming the forum with childish personal attacks and I might take it easy on you.

I understand that you might consider yourself to be funny, but you're not, just weird and childish with some serious mental problems. That's probably why you don't have any friends and still live in your mother's basement. Stop being such an angry, hypocritical, pathetic, weird loser.[/QUOTE]Oh, people can post all they want. Multiple threads of conversation is not exactly difficult.

It's the multiple posts to the same person in a row that's obsessively embarrassing. I get it though. Autism spectrum leaves one unaware of social nuances.

B_T_Dubs, your insults are pretty cliché, perhaps try to exercise the creative part of the brain a little? Good for people with Asperger's.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2580647]You don t have enough money to go to FKK? Aren t You specialist to get AO for free with crazy? To beg, when I don t need to be paid, I climb just for passion and adrenaline, Italians telling me I m really crazy to drive for nearly 5 hours through Dolomiti passo for only 10,5 kms of hell in Zoncolan, as say professionals and Gentile on other side of valley seem worst, go to see when You won t have enough money at Wellcum, around 1 hour driving. Let s see on the field on 2 October in Sambrancher. Ch. Just don t make me waste my time, when Verbier is not on my tour schedule, driving and spending time and money and taking risk in dangerous Switzerland only for You. I just wish for no rain.[/QUOTE]Nah, I'm poor.

Anyway, it's about having the balls to put something of value on the line to back up your words. Apparently you don't have those balls. It's all good, I got my confirmation. You are in fact full of shit.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2580655]Rooting for clubs to fail? Who's driving clubs into bankruptcy?

The crybabies who want the entire world locked down because of a flu (you, PaulInZurich, BigBuddy69) or me who has been pleading since 1 year for a Swedish modelled approach: protect the vulnerable (and let them be vaccinated if they want to) but allow healthy people to live a normal life and build up herd immunity?

More lies and gaslighting from the CCP troll who is losing face because the Marxist vaccine-lockdown strategy has clearly failed. Look at politically correct Australia: another complete lockdown because of a handful of "cases. " Expect the same in Marxist Europe once autumn starts.[/QUOTE]So funny? You realized that Australia is poorly vaccinated right? More supporting evidence for Team Get Vaxxed.

If we had it your way, we would have lost tens if not hundreds of millions of senior citizens. But of course that doesn't matter to you. You're unable to think of what's good only for you.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2580707]So true, but he will never have the balls to admit it.[/QUOTE]I am quite bored. Bam!

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2580661]There is a big difference. The girls enjoy the presence of the chihuahua.[/QUOTE]Touche. But I hear stories from the girls about how they feel gross when he licks them all over, from head to toe. So creepy. Sends shivers down my spine.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580763]So funny? You realized that Australia is poorly vaccinated right? More supporting evidence for Team Get Vaxxed.

If we had it your way, we would have lost tens if not hundreds of millions of senior citizens. But of course that doesn't matter to you. You're unable to think of what's good only for you.[/QUOTE][URL]https://youtu.be/cjMZvpmuaKY[/URL]

I prefer to listen to real virology experts. And not wannabes on a sex forum!

Basically the vaccines will greatly enhance the mutation process and extend the entire plandemic. But that is all good for the betterment of humanity in relation to the great reset as it enhances the automation trend and increases the wealth per capita going forward while the vaccinated morons die out.

Then again many would be wannabes who claim to be vaxxed aren't vaccinated. They just got a vial full of saltwater instead. So even morons can be lucky.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580764]I am quite bored. Bam![/QUOTE]Then obviously the Delta Plus Mutation is no big deal, but we already knew that. LOL!

If you're so bored, why not book a flight to Germany and write some reports of how great FKK clubs are?

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580765]Touche. But I hear stories from the girls about how they feel gross when he licks them all over, from head to toe. So creepy. Sends shivers down my spine.[/QUOTE]The sole too? And between the toes? And the ass crack?

Say hello, to 2022. The world without Covid quarantines and where everything is back to normal with the plandemic being a thing of the past:

[URL]https://www.api.org/news-policy-and-issues/blog/2021/02/24/is-the-world-about-to-see-an-oil-shortage[/URL]

"To keep track, the remaining oil demand growth to be supplied from February through December 2021 is 3.4 mb / the, plus another 3.5 mb / the of growth in 2022, per EIA. That's a total of 6.9 mb / the of new demand through 2022, which combined with the replacement of natural production declines would require total new crude oil production of 14.7 mb / the to 20.5 mb / the by the end of 2022, respectively, with and without investments.

The key question is where this new production will come from. The most immediate source would be to bring oil spare production capacity back on stream. In January, EIA estimated that OPEC had 6. 7 mb / the of crude oil spare production capacity, and the Russia and Caspian region's production was 1. 7 mb / the below its highest output of 15.0 mb / the in December 2018. Consequently, OPEC and Russia and Caspian producers might be able to raise their production by 8.4 mb / the only about half of what's needed.

If we accept this amount which might be optimistic because OPEC historically has not produced 100% of its spare capacity that would require the rest of the world to invest, drill and produce 6.3 mb / the to 12.1 mb / the of new oil by 2022."

P.S. it won't be enough! We can maybe add 5 mb / day globally outside of that region. Maximum if all shale nuts in North America gets back on track. Probably less.

In other words, send me your hard earned money for expensive fuel next year! $$.

Those garbage can floating trash bins will need solar panels!

Did I say an oil price of 250 usd two months ago? LOL. Make that 500 usd!

Or of course trash the initial part of this post and consider new rounds of lockdowns and cars stuck in garages worldwide!

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2580552]Murse, are you smoking. I want some of whatever you are having. It got to be really good.

You posted that link. You did. The above quote does NOT support your claim that ivermectin kill people.

The author of the JAMA paper admitted to an error of giving Ivermectin to the placebo. They rightful accounted for that. It is not misdirection to point out that the side effect is the same for both ivermectin and placebo. Clearly there is more error here. The author changes the primary end point in the middle of the trial. That is data miming when you don't like the result. The whole paper is questionable. Why should I believe them when they claim that 10 x higher dose is needed. That crazy idea originated from a cell culture lab bench study.

Scientist don't just read a paper and accept the conclusion. NO, no, no. They look to see if it was done correctly according to the scientific process.

Again, the FLCCC is not recommending this crazy high dose to anyone. From the FLCCC website.

14 invermectin prohylaxis trial.

26 invermectin early treatment trial.

22 invermectin late treatment trials.

With a total of 22,000 patients.

No, I'm not misrepresent and I'm not confounding anything. You found only one erroneous, poorly designed study, done on a healthy population, where covid is just a common cold in this population. Am I suppose to just read and believe everything from a paper without any critical analysis? Am I not suppose to ask if it was done according to the scientific process? Am I just going to threw all of my training in the trash? Just because some dude name Murse on a hooker website think he is a scientist.[/QUOTE]Okay, we are getting somewhere. My apologies for saying you missed the 2 MG versus 2 microgram point. I understand now that you were citing the safety abstract and not the JAMA paper. You are correct, the paper shows no Central Nervous System toxicity for doses up to 10 x the recommended dose.

Now, to the misrepresentation point. This is how you use misrepresentation.

1. No one claimed that JAMA proposed 10 x dose as you say. They only said that even 10 x dose would be ineffective in pharmacokinetic models. Hence, Misrepresentation.

2. No one claimed that FLCCC recommended that dose either. Hence, misrepresentation.

3. I did not claim that Ivermectin was an unsafe drug. Again, the claim was that doses required to be effective in COVID treatment would be unsafe. I even left the door open for its use as prophylaxis when I mentioned that at the time of vaccine release, there was insignificant studies supporting Ivermectin use even for prophylactic effect.

Now, as for critical appraisal. You want to talk about critical analysis. It doesn't seem that you critically analyze FLCCC supporting evidence to any rigor. Here is their meta-analysis to which I will critique.

[URL]https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Ivermectin-in-the-prophylaxis-and-treatment-of-COVID-19.pdf[/URL]

1. Main and largest study for treatment was Elgazaar et all, 2020. This is their flagship study of 380 patients, wohoo. But guess what? It compared Ivermectin to Hydroxychloroquine and not a true placebo. By the way, HCQ was shown to have detrimental cardiac effects when treating covid patients. Is that not an extremely poor study design? Of course it is, and you know it, yet you don't criticize.

2. The next cited study with the best Ivermectin supporting numbers, Hashim et al, 2020. Guess what, a whopping 22 patients per group. And guess what, the Ivermectin group admittingly had only 22 severe patients and 0 critical patients while the control had 11 severe plus 11 critical patients. Of course Ivermectin group would show less mortality. Selection bias, the worst form of experimental design manipulation short of straight lying. Poor design, and you know it, yet you don't criticize.

3. The next study Niaee, 2020 looked at 180 patients in 6 groups, 30 each, wohoo such rigor. This study once again used HCQ as a standard across all arms, confounding. And guess what, results showed marginal improvement to the point that the authors said this:

[QUOTE]One of the limitations of ivermectin in clinical utility is its [b]potential to cause toxicity[/b]. Studies have shown that this defect can be eliminated by changing the formulation and pharmacokinetic properties. Therefore, a systematic design based on concentration of ivermectin is essential. Schmith et al. showed in a study based on the pharmacokinetic simulations that [b]ivermectin may have limited therapeutic utility[/b] on control COVID- 19. The reason is that [b]the concentration of inhibitor required to act on the COVID-19 virus is much higher than the maximum plasma concentration by managing the approved dose [/b][/QUOTE]Their meta-analysis goes on and on to describe more studies oddly almost entirely from the Middle East and Indian subcontinent. More and more confounding variables of poor design and what looks to be selection bias. Some studies showed that no deaths were found in either groups. Healthy population? Other studies use metrics such as Anosmia to evaluate "clinical improvement. " Really? Sense of smell to justify a drug as the standard of care? Other studies had confounding variables such as only using ivemectin as an adjunct medication. Standard of care really?

All in all, it appears that FLCCC went out of their way to find obscure studies using questionable metrics from countries with poor quality of care to justify Ivermectin as a miracle treatment, when at best it's natural antiinflammatory properties may have some benefit in prophylaxis or as an adjunct in low doses. It does inhibit nuclear transport of viral proteins after all. This is likely why it may see some efficacy as a prophylaxis or very early treatment. But is its wide use for the general population practical? Without further evidence, how could one assume this, especially in lieu of other effective vaccines.

Furthermore, and not due to the lack of trying, it has routinely failed to find use against other viruses in the past. No approved uses for Yellow Fever, Dengue, Zika, HIV, etc. Why is that? Hmmm. What makes you expect differently for covid?

In vitro studies over and over again suggests that Ivermectin would need dosages 100 x higher than approved dosages to be effective. In vivo studies shows that it accumulates in tissues and not plasma where it is needed, thus low bioavailability. So we come back around to my original point, your points and background are academic and doesn't consider clinical realities. Your bias is later revealed in your selective "critical analysis," a point that can be easily seen when appraising the FLCCC studies. Obviously you looked at their colorful infographic and did not dive into their studies yourself to genuinely vet their sources.

NIH statement:

[URL]https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/[/URL]

Check. Your move.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2580794]Then obviously the Delta Plus Mutation is no big deal, but we already knew that. LOL!

If you're so bored, why not book a flight to Germany and write some reports of how great FKK clubs are?[/QUOTE]1. I agree, because of vaccines. If we had vaccinated faster, it would have been all over. Thanks for your people for prolonging it.

2. Already done. Reports coming after trip. Let's meet up.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580759]Oh, people can post all they want. Multiple threads of conversation is not exactly difficult.

It's the multiple posts to the same person in a row that's obsessively embarrassing. I get it though. Autism spectrum leaves one unaware of social nuances.

B_T_Dubs, your insults are pretty clich, perhaps try to exercise the creative part of the brain a little? Good for people with Asperger's.[/QUOTE]You are so fucking clueless, are you five years old? That would explain your childish insults about farting on other people. You do realize that normal people are grossed out by your weird insults?

Let me tell you have it is; you are not funny or smart, but you are a liar, weirdo and a giant loser with some serious mental issues.

You can say whatever you want but in the end of the day I feel sorry for you because you are such a loser.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2580825]You are so fucking clueless, are you five years old? That would explain your childish insults about farting on other people. You do realize that normal people are grossed out by your weird insults?

Let me tell you have it is; you are not funny or smart, but you are a liar, weirdo and a giant loser with some serious mental issues.

You can say whatever you want but in the end of the day I feel sorry for you because you are such a loser.[/QUOTE]Thank you so much for your sympathy and feeling sorry for me. It's kinda like a homeless guy giving someone a dollar. I almost feel guilty about it.

Keep working on this creativity thing. Elon Musk overcame his disability and look at him now. You can do this!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2580727]So. I'm vaccinated without any side effects, but this meme kinda got me thinking.

If you have a bad or even fatal side effect.

The manufacturer is not responsible.

The vaccine promoting government is not responsible.

The vaccinating doctor or nurse is not responsible.

But if you chose not be vaccinated.

You are responsible?

Let that sink in. Is that even logical or legal?[/QUOTE]It only means us non vaccinated people are responsible for carrying on the human legacy past that date when the vaccinated die out. Albeit to a large degree due to vaccine induced infertility. As far as carrying on the human legacy, trial me any day!

How am I misrepresenting here? You gave the impression that it is unsafe. The fact is, it is as safe as a baby aspirin at the recommended dose.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2578818]Yeah, because it kills the human, stopping the vaccine dead in its tracks. Facepalms at Dr WebMD.[/QUOTE]Murse-07-10-21 16:57.

[QUOTE]Who proposed 2 MG / kg to be safe? That's 150 MG for a 75 kg man. You trying to kill people? Geesuz.[/QUOTE]Murse-07-12-21 16:50.

I already told you. You found one questionable study against ivermectin. I also told you, with all of the small study supporting ivermectin, I can sit here and rip them apart all day long. However, in totality and with meta study done by flcc and other meta study, and with population evident and anecdotal evident, I find it very convincing. Not gold standard, but very strong convincing evident.

No have done a gold standard study for ivermectin, because there is no money with something that is cheap as candy.

It is early, but something doesn't add up. In the UK, the number of new case with delta are almost half vac and half un vac. Chris Martenson point out that delta infected people over 50 is more sick and more likely to die if they are vaccinated compare to un vac over 50.

It might be too early and time will tell.

Considering that we are in a pandemic, the option is a vaccine with questionable long term safety. Yet to be determine effectiveness against variant and fuck over your innate antibody and contribute to immune escape.

I have not and will not take the vaccine. I have been taking 5000 IU (sometime 10,000 IU) of vitamin D3 per day since March 2020. Since November, I take 3 MG of ivermectin once every 3 days. All of this time, I have been seeing Cali escort lady 3 or 4 time per month, try to live life as if it is 2019. No covid so far. But that is just me. Cheer.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2580898]Considering that we are in a pandemic, the option is a vaccine with questionable long term safety. Yet to be determine effectiveness against variant and fuck over your innate antibody and contribute to immune escape.

I have not and will not take the vaccine. I have been taking 5000 IU (sometime 10,000 IU) of vitamin D3 per day since March 2020. Since November, I take 3 MG of ivermectin once every 3 days. All of this time, I have been seeing Cali escort lady 3 or 4 time per month, try to live life as if it is 2019. No covid so far. But that is just me. Cheer.[/QUOTE]For sure on the long run you will have to take the vaccine or your social life will be very limited, all medicine have placebo effects, and side effects including ivermectin.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2580878]How am I misrepresenting here? You gave the impression that it is unsafe. The fact is, it is as safe as a baby aspirin at the recommended dose.

Murse-07-10-21 16:57.

Murse-07-12-21 16:50.

I already told you. You found one questionable study against ivermectin. I also told you, with all of the small study supporting ivermectin, I can sit here and rip them apart all day long. However, in totality and with meta study done by flcc and other meta study, and with population evident and anecdotal evident, I find it very convincing. Not gold standard, but very strong convincing evident.

No have done a gold standard study for ivermectin, because there is no money with something that is cheap as candy.[/QUOTE]That was hyperbole for dramatic effect. Obviously, Ivermectin has historical use at established doses.

Plenty of avenues to scrutinize Ivermectin, yet you did not afford those studies the same scrutiny.

Less clinical information on Ivermectin against covid than vaccines but not the same scrutiny is applied here either.

The term gene therapy was applied to mRNA vaccine. Quite a misleading statement at best, intentionally fraudulent at worst. A sin against anyone in the field of any life science. Abuse of power / knowledge seems apparent.

There is no way that you read the studies mentioned in FLACC publication and walked away satisfied if you actually scrutinized the design qualities. Flaws mentioned in previous post. I suspect that you either only read the infographic or at best, the meta-study, but never looked at the designs of studies that were cited as supporting evidence.

Again, skewed selection bias (0 critical patients), compromised controls, confounding variables (concurrent meds), overstating the clinical improvements (anosmia), yada yada yada.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2580887]It is early, but something doesn't add up. In the UK, the number of new case with delta are almost half vac and half un vac. Chris Martenson point out that delta infected people over 50 is more sick and more likely to die if they are vaccinated compare to un vac over 50.

It might be too early and time will tell.[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm wrong but I understand that it is not a 50-50 distribution in clinically symptomatic patients. I have seen no evidence supporting this claim of higher mortality in the over 50 and vaxxed demographic.

I do know this, American Delta hotspots are also amongst the least vaccinated US states. Arkansas, Alabama, Louisiana, and Missouri are amongst the 10 least vaxxed states and represents the current top 5-8 highest incidence spots. Delta accounts for over 50% of our cases here also.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2580898]Considering that we are in a pandemic, the option is a vaccine with questionable long term safety. Yet to be determine effectiveness against variant and fuck over your innate antibody and contribute to immune escape.

I have not and will not take the vaccine. I have been taking 5000 IU (sometime 10,000 IU) of vitamin D3 per day since March 2020. Since November, I take 3 MG of ivermectin once every 3 days. All of this time, I have been seeing Cali escort lady 3 or 4 time per month, try to live life as if it is 2019. No covid so far. But that is just me. Cheer.[/QUOTE]Evolutionary pressure to escape host defenses is not exclusive to pathogens evolving to escape host adaptive immunity. It is equally affected by other components of host defenses, such as nuclear transport seen in Ivermectin. Focusing on a vaccines effect on host evasion but not ivermectin shows more bias.

Take the ivermectin all you want. Criticizing the vaccine but not your personal regimen to reassure your choice at the expense of absolute truth telling is pretty professionally irresponsible.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580815]1. I agree, because of vaccines. If we had vaccinated faster, it would have been all over. Thanks for your people for prolonging it.

2. Already done. Reports coming after trip. Let's meet up.[/QUOTE]1) The vaccine roll-out has been incredibly slow due to HUGE government incompetence, or have you already forgotten the debacle of the German government ordering too few vaccines back in January-February? Even if you wanted to, people could not get vaccinated in Germany, and vaccination rate only started to pick up pace in April, when the Delta Plus (Indian!) variant already was in full swing in India. In the meantime, confidence in vaccines has been eroded, again not because of the fault of the public, but because of the fault of Big Pharma and their corrupt politicians who kept on pushing the AstraZeneca #ClotShot crap despite all it's problems. Gino02 summarized it perfectly with a meme he posted:

[QUOTE=Gino02;2580727]The manufacturer is not responsible.

The vaccine promoting government is not responsible.

The vaccinating doctor or nurse is not responsible.

But if you chose not be vaccinated.

You are irresponsible.[/QUOTE]The vaccine is never fully tested, it only has an Emergency Use Authorization, and is promoted by corrupt politicians & corrupt journalists. It's not exactly confidence inspiring, and only dumbest and most easily brainwashed idiots take the #ClotShot as it's now becoming known. / sarc.

2) "Let's meet up?" Why? I go to FKK clubs to fuck sexy women and to have a good time, not to meet sad lonely guys who have no friends and who need a P6 forum and FKK clubs for male bonding and validation. By pure coincidence I ran into Siri once in Sharks, that was more than enough, hahaha! I have male friends that I go drink a beer with in a regular bar (provided CCP lockdown fascists like yourself don't close the regular bars too) so I don't need to meet sad CCP internet trolls in between FKK sessions thank-you-very-much.

Pistons, if you read this: your inbox is full.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2580898]Considering that we are in a pandemic, the option is a vaccine with questionable long term safety. Yet to be determine effectiveness against variant and fuck over your innate antibody and contribute to immune escape.

I have not and will not take the vaccine. I have been taking 5000 IU (sometime 10,000 IU) of vitamin D3 per day since March 2020. Since November, I take 3 MG of ivermectin once every 3 days. All of this time, I have been seeing Cali escort lady 3 or 4 time per month, try to live life as if it is 2019. No covid so far. But that is just me. Cheer.[/QUOTE]I am 50+ and I took the vaccine. Feeling great, spend a lot of time outside swimming, cycling and running. During work hours at home I do some weight training too. My immune system is perfectly fine, not a single sniffle or any other issue. Since the spring I was seeing girls in apartments once per week. Since Globe opened, I must have been with 25 girls, several of them more than once. Funny enough, probably due to in general much better sleep, in a longer day in Globe I have at least one shot more in me compared to the last 3 years. If more restrictions will be introduced later in the year, it will be only because not enough people got vaccinated in time.

But that's just me.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2580794]If you're so bored, why not book a flight to Germany and write some reports of how great FKK clubs are?[/QUOTE]Why do you care about FKKs? You are now super happy with all the civilians you are pulling since you have now great game, right?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2580583]I am a pro vaccine, got so many shots since I am child. I got the Pfister but I don t think it is efficient, I just do it because the life is so much easier in Europe when you are vaccinated and with the Delta variant the things are getting worse. Probably the 4th wave is on it way and new restrictions will be implement sooner or latter.[/QUOTE]Serious question, you say life is much easier in Europe when you are vaccinated. Other than getting on flights, where else did you find restrictions?

France shows its own centralist, etatist tendencies here: [URL]https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/french-retailers-puzzle-over-how-keep-non-vaccinated-shoppers-stores-2021-07-13/[/URL] but that is going to kick in 21 July.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580845]Thank you so much for your sympathy and feeling sorry for me. It's kinda like a homeless guy giving someone a dollar. I almost feel guilty about it.

Keep working on this creativity thing. Elon Musk overcame his disability and look at him now. You can do this![/QUOTE]You can write what you want, the truth remains the same. I'm not here to be "creative", I'm here to tell the truth and if you think that you're creative you better think again.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2580887]It is early, but something doesn't add up. In the UK, the number of new case with delta are almost half vac and half un vac. Chris Martenson point out that delta infected people over 50 is more sick and more likely to die if they are vaccinated compare to un vac over 50.

It might be too early and time will tell.[/QUOTE]Yeah I saw that video. It leads me to think the vial has zero rna in it. Just 100% toxins and aerogel. Otherwise it doesn't make sense that the over 50 crowd is the one to get worse from the vaccine and not the under 50.

The other idea is of course that the rna in fact does alter the DNA through proton tunneling at a very high extent. And this DNA alteration is too much to handle for the over 50 crowds.

The third option is that in the UK they are giving the second dosage too soon after the first.

But it may be a combination of two of these factors also.

In any case, what is beyond obvious at this point is that we cannot trust official news reports on covid numbers one single bit. 200% lies all of what we get fed from all sources. Though raw data is perhaps the best we have. But that is sometimes hard to come by. And even that can easily be faked.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2580870]It only means us non vaccinated people are responsible for carrying on the human legacy past that date when the vaccinated die out. Albeit to a large degree due to vaccine induced infertility. As far as carrying on the human legacy, trial me any day![/QUOTE]It would be nice to get from you a scientific analysis of the vaccines of what is in them that can cause infertility. Without such an explanation your statement is sterile.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580527]Johnson and Johnson. Pretty normal, non-mRNA vaccine.[/QUOTE]I've read that Sinopharm and Sinovac are non-mRNA.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2580761]Nah, I'm poor.

Anyway, it's about having the balls to put something of value on the line to back up your words. Apparently you don't have those balls. It's all good, I got my confirmation. You are in fact full of shit.[/QUOTE]I know you won't come. I don't even worry about. Honor, pride and self esteem and image worth much more than 1000 for me. I climb for passion, I don't need to be paid.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2580887]It is early, but something doesn't add up. In the UK, the number of new case with delta are almost half vac and half un vac. Chris Martenson point out that delta infected people over 50 is more sick and more likely to die if they are vaccinated compare to un vac over 50.

It might be too early and time will tell.[/QUOTE]It speaks volumes that you rather trust what an economic researcher has to say about vaccines efficacy and Covid in contrast to a medical doctor. Where do you go to have a dental implant? A plumber?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2581103]It would be nice to get from you a scientific analysis of the vaccines of what is in them that can cause infertility. Without such an explanation your statement is sterile.[/QUOTE]He found it on Facebook, along with 'global warming is a joke', 'paracetamol comes from tree bark' and 'no one landed on the moon'.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2580878]I already told you. You found one questionable study against ivermectin. I also told you, with all of the small study supporting ivermectin, I can sit here and rip them apart all day long. However, in totality and with meta study done by flcc and other meta study, and with population evident and anecdotal evident, I find it very convincing. Not gold standard, but very strong convincing evident.

No have done a gold standard study for ivermectin, because there is no money with something that is cheap as candy.[/QUOTE]What is gold standard for you? You are happy to take something that has not been properly tested ('gold standard') just because it is cheap? Thank God you are not a doctor!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2581106]I've read that Sinopharm and Sinovac are non-mRNA.[/QUOTE]These have their own virus in these vaccines and they splice DNA into the recipient.

Plus they cause neurologic disease and heart failure.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2581014]I am 50+ and I took the vaccine. Feeling great, spend a lot of time outside swimming, cycling and running. During work hours at home I do some weight training too. My immune system is perfectly fine, not a single sniffle or any other issue. [/QUOTE]Guess what: most people achieve the same results without a #ClotShot vaccine. No "Covid," no sniffle, feeling great, like the way our body was designed. / sarc.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2581116]It speaks volumes that you rather trust what an economic researcher has to say about vaccines efficacy and Covid in contrast to a medical doctor. Where do you go to have a dental implant? A plumber?[/QUOTE]More fake news & gaslighting from the CCP troll: Chris Martenson has a PhD in pathology from Duke University.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2581158]Guess what: most people achieve the same results without a #ClotShot vaccine. No "Covid," no sniffle, feeling great, like the way our body was designed. / sarc.[/QUOTE]Parents of children in an ICU will not agree with you. As in opera, "it ain't over till the fat lady sings" How does the awesome stud feel about miracle drugs like ivermectin? Stock up now. It's a cheap as candy, and has a shelf life of two years.

Martenson is interesting for his economic ideas. Let's keep a eye on him and see how his predictions pan out. I also like those commodities. I bought gold at $250 per ounce, but not much.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2580992]1) The vaccine roll-out has been incredibly slow due to HUGE government incompetence, or have you already forgotten the debacle of the German government ordering too few vaccines back in January-February? Even if you wanted to, people could not get vaccinated in Germany, and vaccination rate only started to pick up pace in April, when the Delta Plus (Indian!) variant already was in full swing in India. In the meantime, confidence in vaccines has been eroded, again not because of the fault of the public, but because of the fault of Big Pharma and their corrupt politicians who kept on pushing the AstraZeneca #ClotShot crap despite all it's problems. Gino02 summarized it perfectly with a meme he posted:

The vaccine is never fully tested, it only has an Emergency Use Authorization, and is promoted by corrupt politicians & corrupt journalists. It's not exactly confidence inspiring, and only dumbest and most easily brainwashed idiots take the #ClotShot as it's now becoming known. / sarc.

2) "Let's meet up?" Why? I go to FKK clubs to fuck sexy women and to have a good time, not to meet sad lonely guys who have no friends and who need a P6 forum and FKK clubs for male bonding and validation. By pure coincidence I ran into Siri once in Sharks, that was more than enough, hahaha! I have male friends that I go drink a beer with in a regular bar (provided CCP lockdown fascists like yourself don't close the regular bars too) so I don't need to meet sad CCP internet trolls in between FKK sessions thank-you-very-much.

Pistons, if you read this: your inbox is full.[/QUOTE]1. I agree with government incompetence.

2. it was really for me to laugh at you. Oh well.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2581103]It would be nice to get from you a scientific analysis of the vaccines of what is in them that can cause infertility. Without such an explanation your statement is sterile.[/QUOTE]Sterile. LOL, very punny.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2581103]It would be nice to get from you a scientific analysis of the vaccines of what is in them that can cause infertility. Without such an explanation your statement is sterile.[/QUOTE]I gave that explanation here months ago. Maybe it's even closing up on a year now.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2581014]I am 50+ and I took the vaccine. Feeling great, spend a lot of time outside swimming, cycling and running. During work hours at home I do some weight training too. My immune system is perfectly fine, not a single sniffle or any other issue. Since the spring I was seeing girls in apartments once per week. Since Globe opened, I must have been with 25 girls, several of them more than once. Funny enough, probably due to in general much better sleep, in a longer day in Globe I have at least one shot more in me compared to the last 3 years. If more restrictions will be introduced later in the year, it will be only because not enough people got vaccinated in time.

But that's just me.[/QUOTE]You were probably lucky and got one of these randomly selected saline injections. I don't believe anyone without serious side effects got the shot unless I personally can look at their antibodies.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2581118]He found it on Facebook, along with 'global warming is a joke', 'paracetamol comes from tree bark' and 'no one landed on the moon'.[/QUOTE]Only [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] need to add in additional lies when trying to mock someone. I never said no one landed on the moon.

Global warming I don't think I mentioned here either. It is not a joke. It is definitely man made also. But maybe not through the means most people are fooled into believing. Although your farts might just be one of the largest contributors.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2581254]You were probably lucky and got one of these randomly selected saline injections. I don't believe anyone without serious side effects got the shot unless I personally can look at their antibodies.[/QUOTE]I got diarrhea during 3 days. Some black stream of poo flowing constantly from my poop hole. Does it count?

Murse,

I'm very pro-vax. You got no idea how pro-vax I am. I think with good leadship, if we use both vaccine and ivermectin, not only will we end the pandemic, we can eradicate covid. I do have several concern about the current vaccine and this is not hyperbole.

1 The long term safety is unknown. We should use ivermectin to buy us time and do thing right.

2 we stick to proven platform such as recombinant, attenuated, inactivated, those was already proven. There is no guarantee regarding long term safety. But the platform is proven to be safe.

3 lack of tropism, it is unpredictable where these thing will go. Lack of controllable expression. This is a problem with gene therapy. And No, the vax will not change your DNA. That is ridiculous. But the vax have the same issues.

4 Rush, I hear from the grapevine, that the CMC people at these companies are over worked and of low morale. Which lead to quality issues. Some of them said that they just guess and not really doing their job the way they suppose to. It is understandable with a rush timeline.

5. lack of trust, Mr Facci prove himself un-trust worthy. What a joke. But I don't need this pandemic to know that. There is no reason why we don't have a HIV vaccine and it disgust me that we don't. Thank Facci. You son of a *.

6. the politicization. Team vaccine, team anti-vax, team ivermectin, team ivermect is just HCQ. We have the power we are going to gaslight you and censor your ass. WTF.

7. eradication. If we eradicate it, we don't have to worry about immune escape nor ivermectin drug resistance.

This is all I can think of. But I'm semi buzzzzz. Cheer.

One of the pioneers of mRNA vaccine technology, Robert W. Malone MD, is now warning: "this is worrying me quite a bit."

[URL]https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1416188314701475844?s=20[/URL]

This is what Dr. Robert Malone is worried about:

[URL]https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1415989536933490688.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]Something really odd is going on:

In Europe we are seeing surges at many places where most of the population has already been vaccinated.

At the same time, the 15 least vaccinated countries don‘t seem to face any problem.

At some point, denying this problem will get painful.[/QUOTE]You see? Not vaccinated? No problem! LOL!

As real scientists like Prof. John Ioannidis have already proven in 2020, this is nothing more than a normal flu with an Infection Mortality Rate of 0,23%, dressed up as a "Plandemic!" Open our entire society (including the FKK clubs) again without ANY test-vaccine-face rag restrictions and organise a Nuremberg Trial 2. 0 for all the politicians and journalists who participated in this Bill Gates scam!

[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL]

Page 7:

[QUOTE]The median infection fatality rate across all 51 locations was 0.27% (corrected 0.23%).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315]Murse,

I'm very pro-vax. You got no idea how pro-vax I am. I think with good leadship, if we use both vaccine and ivermectin, not only will we end the pandemic, we can eradicate covid. I do have several concern about the current vaccine and this is not hyperbole.

1 The long term safety is unknown. We should use ivermectin to buy us time and do thing right.

2 we stick to proven platform such as recombinant, attenuated, inactivated, those was already proven. There is no guarantee regarding long term safety. But the platform is proven to be safe.

3 lack of tropism, it is unpredictable where these thing will go. Lack of controllable expression. This is a problem with gene therapy.[/QUOTE]90% Horseshit with vague generalizations which doesn't address previous bullshittery.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315]I'm very pro-vax. You got no idea how pro-vax I am. I think with good leadship, if we use both vaccine and ivermectin, not only will we end the pandemic, we can eradicate covid. I do have several concern about the current vaccine and this is not hyperbole.[/QUOTE]So which ones are safe and effective?

MRNA: Pfizer, Moderna.

Viral vector: AZ, SputnikV, J&J.

Inactivated whole virus: Sinovac, Sinopharm, Covaxin.

Protein based: Novavax.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2581161]More fake news & gaslighting from the CCP troll: Chris Martenson has a PhD in pathology from Duke University.[/QUOTE]Yeah, remember when he told everyone that wearing masks was effective? Probably should have listened.

[URL]https://youtu.be/NkN8yCWSGus[/URL]

Here's the real world effect of all of the anti-vaxxers and anti-covid vaxxers. They're Messengers of death really.

In June, 99% of American covid deaths were unvaxxed. 97% of hospitalizations were unvaxxed.

[URL]https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/1017002907/u-s-covid-deaths-are-rising-again-experts-call-it-a-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated[/URL]

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2581161]More fake news & gaslighting from the CCP troll: Chris Martenson has a PhD in pathology from Duke University.[/QUOTE]Why do you always want to ridicule yourself? He's not a practicing pathologist although he studied the matter in 1990's, when scientific knowledge was aeons away from what we have now. Would you go and get treatment from a doctor that he's not been practicing for 30 years or from a medical doctor who's currently practicing medicine and has current medical knowledge?

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2581134]These have their own virus in these vaccines and they splice DNA into the recipient.

Plus they cause neurologic disease and heart failure.[/QUOTE]A reference to such a bullshit, please?

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2581193]Parents of children in an ICU will not agree with you. As in opera, "it ain't over till the fat lady sings" How does the awesome stud feel about miracle drugs like ivermectin? Stock up now. It's a cheap as candy, and has a shelf life of two years.[/QUOTE]I think it would be better to keep it grounded. Dying children in ICUs is not a prevalent covid reality. The other side spreads enough misinformation. Playing that game only deteriorates the situation even more.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2581287]I got diarrhea during 3 days. Some black stream of poo flowing constantly from my poop hole. Does it count?[/QUOTE]Probably not. I bet you were up to something disgustingly else during the same time period too. LOL.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315]And No, the vax will not change your DNA. That is ridiculous. But the vax have the same issues.[/QUOTE]I agree with a lot of your points, but DNA alteration is not ridiculous. Quantum physics is also not ridiculous. And medical personnel should start learning about sooner or later. It is a joke that they don't!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2581476]Yeah, remember when he told everyone that wearing masks was effective? Probably should have listened.

[URL]https://youtu.be/NkN8yCWSGus[/URL][/QUOTE]LOL, he is a face diaper propagandist (is this the right formulation HT?). Bring out the pitchforks!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2581252]I gave that explanation here months ago. Maybe it's even closing up on a year now.[/QUOTE]Ok, I'll go look for it.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2581496]Why do you always want to ridicule yourself? He's not a practicing pathologist although he studied the matter in 1990's, when scientific knowledge was aeons away from what we have now. Would you go and get treatment from a doctor that he's not been practicing for 30 years or from a medical doctor who's currently practicing medicine and has current medical knowledge?[/QUOTE]The guy (Martenson) is definitely an economist first at this point. But I will say, he's pretty fair in most of his assessments. There is no public figure out there that got it completely right this past year but I think that's to be expected. I'll definitely criticize Fauci, CDC, Merkel, WHO, etc for their mishandling. But most of my criticism is because they are generally to broadbrushed or conservative with their recommendations. I guess that's understandable if responsible for billions of people.

As for Martenson, I like that he sees the nuance in situations. He constantly reframed sensational headlines to put them in perspective. But here's the thing, his best comments are not due to any professional training. Zooming out at numbers when media calls a "bump" a "surge" when the "surge" still puts us at 10% of previous highs is an example of something any rational, scientific minded and most importantly objective person could do. Furthermore, he was a research pathologist (a PhD), not a clinician (MD), and not certainly not a public health specialist (MPH). His training is molecular and theoretical, although again, while he shows the intellectual propensity to speak eloquently and rationally, he doesn't have the clinical or public health background to actually serve as the ultimate source of expertise. But all in all, he's pretty rational, makes fair criticisms, is hardly ever hyperbolic, but is also limited in clinical expertise and is not immune to some subjective personal preferences.

I will say this, I agree with him in entertaining alternative treatments like ivermectin in certain scenarios. But he doesn't go all in and try to portray it as something it is not. He seems to have integrity and changes his views based on new data. To put it more eloquently, he does not display ideological rigidity. That shows restraint and objectivity especially when I notice that he regularly reassesses his positions.

You know when you're right over target when Murze, PiZ, 'Locky' V and BB69 come over to spam the whole thread without actually debating any of the issues. LOL!

Anyway, "cases" are going up and the politicians (more power) and Big Pharma (more money) have tasted blood. Why would they NOT do another lockdown?

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2581441]One of the pioneers of mRNA vaccine technology, Robert W. Malone MD, is now warning: "this is worrying me quite a bit."

[URL]https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1416188314701475844?s=20[/URL]

This is what Dr. Robert Malone is worried about:

[URL]https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1415989536933490688.html[/URL]

You see? Not vaccinated? No problem! LOL!

As real scientists like Prof. John Ioannidis have already proven in 2020, this is nothing more than a normal flu with an Infection Mortality Rate of 0,23%, dressed up as a "Plandemic!" Open our entire society (including the FKK clubs) again without ANY test-vaccine-face rag restrictions and organise a Nuremberg Trial 2. 0 for all the politicians and journalists who participated in this Bill Gates scam!

[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL]

Page 7:[/QUOTE]LOL, you should change the statement to the foolhardy statement "Don't test, No problem".

Funny how low vaxxed states are also low testing states. Take this Malone's guy's article and put it against testing rates and the numbers are flipped. Basic logic and math.

[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-05-16..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Tests&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU~ROU~MDA~UKR~NLD~SVN~MLT~SRB~BGR~HRV[/URL]

Look at excess mortality to get a more accurate picture and low vaxxed states aren't doing so hot. Funny how UK, De, and NL show the lowest excess mortality. UK and De even show negative excess death compared to previous years!

[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-05-16..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Excess+mortality&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU~ROU~MDA~UKR~NLD~SVN~MLT~SRB~BGR~HRV[/URL]

[QUOTE=McGrath;2581650]Did not read.[/QUOTE]He overpaid.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2581497]A reference to such a bullshit, please?[/QUOTE]This is veterinary technology wherein a lot of animal vaccines use the vector virus thing to deliver the virus to the pet patient since instead of making a real vaccine it is cheaper and easier to use a vector virus to traffic to body of the patient to make the antigen to make antibodies for. So this is basically a sham vaccine and used for pets instead of humans. If they make a real vaccine by killing the covid virus and injecting the dead virus then I would recommend to get a real vaccine such as that kind instead.

Previous calling out of bullshittery aside, some rational points to be addessed.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315] (Vaccines)
1 The long term safety is unknown. We should use ivermectin to buy us time and do thing right.[/QUOTE]Pandemic, mass deaths, must pivot. Ivermectin has general anti-microbial properties that should be considered but at current studies doses, it is an adjunct in early treatment at best. Simply using masks would be an even better policy but we can't even do that right without having to fight the conspiracy people at every turn.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315]2 we stick to proven platform such as recombinant, attenuated, inactivated, those was already proven. There is no guarantee regarding long term safety. But the platform is proven to be safe.[/QUOTE]Then stick to the adenovirus vector vaccines. Or the Novavax protein vax.

I find it a little odd that one is scared about a vaccine made of whole virus which has all of the genetic material more than a vaccine of only the genetic material surrounded by a lipid micelle. Like being scared of a holstered gun but not a murderer with a gun holstered to his hip.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315]3 lack of tropism, it is unpredictable where these thing will go. Lack of controllable expression. This is a problem with gene therapy. And No, the vax will not change your DNA. That is ridiculous. But the vax have the same issues.[/QUOTE]Thank you for saying that it won't change DNA. But again the use of the term "gene therapy" here is intentionally misleading. You are quite aware that gene therapy refers to alteration of host generic material. You know these vaccines don't do that yet you keep using the term to scare people.

Who cares about controlling expression, we want it expressed 100% because that is the point. There are no other proteins encoded in the mRNA besides spike protein code.

Where they will go? The only place that matters is the cytoplasm that have translation polymerase to make proteins. Free mRNA is so unstable outside of a shell.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315]4 Rush, I hear from the grapevine, that the CMC people at these companies are over worked and of low morale. Which lead to quality issues. Some of them said that they just guess and not really doing their job the way they suppose to. It is understandable with a rush timeline.[/QUOTE]It's a pandemic. Recommending ivermectin without "gold standard" clinical trials to recommend dosages that balance efficacy and toxicity is also rushed.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315]5. lack of trust, Mr Facci prove himself un-trust worthy. What a joke. But I don't need this pandemic to know that. There is no reason why we don't have a HIV vaccine and it disgust me that we don't. Thank Facci. You son of a *.[/QUOTE]I'm fairly certain that HIV vaccine development is difficult mostly due to the nature of the virus's target (immune cells), latency within the host, high degree of genetic variation / mutation, and something to do with its tendency to bind or alter the Fc arm of an antibody.

Maybe Fauci's position and power in regards to funding has hampered vaccine development in ways that you don't personally like. In the end, the nature of an STD that can be easily controlled with simple behavior modification has less impetus for research. No one feels sorry for sexually promiscuous people contracted STDs from unprotected sex. Or druggies using contaminated needles. Sucks the babies of HIV mothers. Don't think vaccines can do much for that.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315]6. the politicization. Team vaccine, team anti-vax, team ivermectin, team ivermect is just HCQ. We have the power we are going to gaslight you and censor your ass. WTF.[/QUOTE]Politicization goes both ways, obviously.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581315]7. eradication. If we eradicate it, we don't have to worry about immune escape nor ivermectin drug resistance.[/QUOTE]Pipe dream in 2021. Dense population. Politics. Economics. Pandemics and epidemics will be more and more frequent. That has been predicted for decades. Something like 90% of disease causing pathogens developed when humans settled into permanent dwellings and cities thousands of years ago. It will only get worse.

People are pretty dumb and selfish, but I'm not mad at the dummies. They can be controlled and distracted and kept FR causing further harm. The educated ones who voluntarily choose to misinform and misdirect are the ones more dangerous to society. Ahem. Cough. Stop choosing the side of evil.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2581634]You know when you're right over target when Murze, PiZ, 'Locky' V and BB69 come over to spam the whole thread without actually debating any of the issues. LOL!

Anyway, "cases" are going up and the politicians (more power) and Big Pharma (more money) have tasted blood. Why would they NOT do another lockdown?[/QUOTE]1. Well, considering that I've basically posted full manuscripts, that's a bullshit statement.

2. Possibility of mutiny and violence.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2581529]I agree with a lot of your points, but DNA alteration is not ridiculous. Quantum physics is also not ridiculous. And medical personnel should start learning about sooner or later. It is a joke that they don't![/QUOTE]It is totally possible to change your DNA if the RNA / LNP contain code for enzyme to edit dna. In fact, that is the goals of gene editing. But there is no reason to think they put those code in the the vaccine, it is actually harder.

The problem is that there is no telling where these particles go. Which make it hard to target a specific tissue. I remember when I dip my toe in to the world of gene therapy. Some of the lipids are harmless like cholesterol. However, LNP also contains a cocktail of noval lipid dream up by some very ingenuous chemist. When I ask, anyone know what the immune system will do with this, the reply was. Oh it doesn't matter because the patient will be dose with suppressant anyway. Anyway, I'm kind of glad that LNP did not win as a platform. Maybe in 10 or 20 years, LNP is cheaper for gene therapy and can cure many disease.

In addition to antibody against the original Wuhan spike protein, it reasonable to think people are also getting antibody against these lipid particles. I have no clue as to the long term effect of that. And they are going to boost people with these particle again and again due to variant. But it is all a guess, I have no prove.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2581634]You know when you're right over target when Murze, PiZ, 'Locky' V and BB69 come over to spam the whole thread without actually debating any of the issues. LOL![/QUOTE]Impossible to debate with you, you're a right wing fanatic with a strong anti-communism fetish.

My advice, try not to quote Russia Today because it's the nearly official voice of Uncle Vladimir who was a total commie.

Murse,

Oh I think is totally possible to reduce the R0 below 1. We need to use every tool we got.

Adeno virus is a new platform from failed (the forbidden word gene something.) WTF. I think gene therapy is fucking awesome. It doesn't just treat a disease, one dose and you cure a disease. Who want to take drug for the rest of their life.

Anyway, I'm concern about the platform itself, not any drug or vaccine in particular. Those other platform have work for HVB, Polio etc.

Even if you are 100% right. We are more likely to reduce the R0 below 1, if we add ivermectin to the mix for people who refuse to take any vaccine. It doesn't matter who is right wouldn't you agree that it will help bring the R0 below one. Wouldn't it be better if people have choices.

Look at what happen to Judith Smentkiewicz. She was in the ICU with on 20% chance of survival. She took ivermectin and recover. They move her to a different wing. The doctor in that wing refuse to give her ivermectin and she deteriorate. Her family have to sue, the court order the hospital to continue with ivermectin treatment immediately. WTF, the anti-ivermectin people want to kill this lady just to prove they are right?

Admit it, it is an aspirin at 200 ug to 600 ug / kg.

Oil is the reason for the new lockdowns. And there is not enough of it!

Plus a few other reasons. The pro basic income sentiment is going up. And the automation potential is being realized when we lock down the society. Basically during the 4th industrial revolution, work is counterproductive to efficiency and competitiveness. Automation and robotization gives far better yields. So UBI is a no brainer. And thus we need more lockdowns before UBI is fully implemented.

The entire covid debacle is just a waste of focus. A mind trick at most.

I will say this the long term safety is unknow, however, the Novavax is better than all the other covid vaccine. But I don't see the point unless we are serious about eradicate covid.

Here you can find some real numbers of long term serious side effects from medications and vaccines. Officially reported in Europe. Studies have also shown that men don't always report as many side effects as women, and that may be why some numbers are skewed. Some doctors are also more inclined to come up with excuses than others too. So the real numbers are most certainly higher:

[URL]https://www.adrreports.eu/en/search_subst.html[/URL]

A second reason for why it seems women have more side effects from the covid vaccine might be related to the female reproductive organs. And infertility.

I added together the measles vaccines for 80 years at this rate (the median expected life in Europe), and it seems like the seriously injured people from the measles vaccine in Europe is comparable to the population of Austria.

When you look at the covid vaccine numbers you find approximately similar numbers. Albeit this is still early on in terms of the registration of side effects. Especially for the 2nd dosage victims. And I am sure even more so now that a 3rd dosage seems to be rolling out soon as well.

Good luck and have fun with your vaccines!

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2581664]He overpaid.[/QUOTE]Sorry but he has no balls, these upselling girls should go work in apartments, not in our clubs!

People are more likely to be conspiratorial because your science bureaucrat are dishonest. Yeah it come from nature and not the lab. There is no pandemic. Oh it is a pandemic. Don't wear mask, it does not work. Oh we need to wear mask. Well wear two mask. Sure just take the vax, that is how we get back to normal.

Yeah, I have a hard time believe thing will go back to normal once everyone take the vax. Poor leadership. The only respond is to censor and shut people down.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2581668]This is veterinary technology wherein a lot of animal vaccines use the vector virus thing to deliver the virus to the pet patient since instead of making a real vaccine it is cheaper and easier to use a vector virus to traffic to body of the patient to make the antigen to make antibodies for. So this is basically a sham vaccine and used for pets instead of humans. If they make a real vaccine by killing the covid virus and injecting the dead virus then I would recommend to get a real vaccine such as that kind instead.[/QUOTE]What constitutes a "real" vaccine? First it was attenuated whole vaccines, "real" vaccines I guess. Then inactivated vaccines came about. Are they real vaccines? Then protein subunit vaccines came to be. Are they "real" vaccines? Then viral vector DNA vaccines came about. Is this where vaccines are no longer considered "real" vaccines? Now mRNA vaccines that don't require a viral vector are being used. I guess that's not considered real.

Is it the nucleic acid part that makes them not "real vaccines"? Is it the genetic material that spooks people? What specifically about the mRNA worries people?

MRNA vaccines are literally just small chains of nucleic acids floating in salts enclosed in a lipid shell. In this case, it encodes a very specific, singular protein. Hell a live-virus vaccine has more components such various glycoproteins, globular proteins, DNA or RNA, maybe a lipid envelope too. They even are accompanied by nuclear enzymes with unknown functions. So we're okay with injecting entire microorganisms known to cause disease with some of their natural pathogenic hardware, defense mechanisms, and genetic code that we don't fully understand but not okay okay with a strand of a genetic domain that we hand-selected ourselves that encodes a very specific protein?

Angela M. In the news states that climate change is somehow the cause of the floods. This is complete b. S. The neighborhoods located near a river and / or dams should have a storm drainage system with concrete storm drains with high flow water to a drainage system. The fact that these towns exists so long without flooding is a miracle. Nothing to do with climate, and everything to do with not designing properly.

Due to many of the villages springing up hundreds of years ago prior to running water and cars wherein people relied on river for transportation and water. They needed to be close to it. Now, with concrete and paved roads being close to a river is not a smart living area. They need a complete redesign with correct flood control drainage system and should hire me for consultation so I redesign some of these neighborhoods.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2581668]This is veterinary technology wherein a lot of animal vaccines use the vector virus thing to deliver the virus to the pet patient since instead of making a real vaccine it is cheaper and easier to use a vector virus to traffic to body of the patient to make the antigen to make antibodies for. So this is basically a sham vaccine and used for pets instead of humans. If they make a real vaccine by killing the covid virus and injecting the dead virus then I would recommend to get a real vaccine such as that kind instead.[/QUOTE]A reference to this other bullshit, please?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2581257]Only [blue](Deleted by Admin)[/blue] need to add in additional lies when trying to mock someone.[/QUOTE]Quite an ironic statement considering the source.

How do we know that the various vaccines with never before used technology aren't prions?

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2581671]Previous calling out of bullshittery aside, some rational points to be addessed.

Pandemic, mass deaths, must pivot. Ivermectin has general anti-microbial properties that should be considered but at current studies doses, it is an adjunct in early treatment at best. Simply using masks would be an even better policy but we can't even do that right without having to fight the conspiracy people at every turn.

Then stick to the adenovirus vector vaccines. Or the Novavax protein vax.

I find it a little odd that one is scared about a vaccine made of whole virus which has all of the genetic material more than a vaccine of only the genetic material surrounded by a lipid micelle. Like being scared of a holstered gun but not a murderer with a gun holstered to his hip.

Thank you for saying that it won't change DNA. But again the use of the term "gene therapy" here is intentionally misleading. You are quite aware that gene therapy refers to alteration of host generic material. You know these vaccines don't do that yet you keep using the term to scare people.

Who cares about controlling expression, we want it expressed 100% because that is the point. There are no other proteins encoded in the mRNA besides spike protein code..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]People are pretty dumb and selfish, but I'm not mad at the dummies. They can be controlled and distracted and kept FR causing further harm. [/QUOTE]There you go that is the problem. And I'm the bad guy? Thinking you are sooo smart that you want to control and distract people. I want to take the BS out of it and give people option.

It is reasonable to tell people. If you are old, does the long term safety of the vaccine really matter?

For the younger people, well covid is not that bad, it is a just a little worst than the flu. But we do want to not just end the pandemic but eradicate it. Ivermectin is just an aspirin. So do you part in eradicating the virus. You have a choice of taking vax or ivermectin.

If you are sick with covid, take ivermectin because what is the harm if it does not work. But if it do work, the benefit is huge!

What the hell happen to us, we went to the moon and now we don't have the ability to go back. We eradicated smallpox and now eradicating COVID is a pipe dream. It is the mentality of I want to control people. That is the problem. We have to say shit like ivermectin is soooo dangerous and can kill you. You are not allow to have it.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2581776]How do we know that the various vaccines with never before used technology aren't prions?[/QUOTE]How do I know that the bartender didn't stick his chlamydia dick in my beer? Those things live on the same spectrum of possibilities.

[QUOTE]Pandemic, mass deaths, must pivot. Ivermectin has general anti-microbial properties that should be considered but at current studies doses, it is an adjunct in early treatment at best. Simply using masks would be an even better policy but we can't even do that right without having to fight the conspiracy people at every turn.[/QUOTE]I disagree. Ivermectin is very effective at prevention.

[QUOTE]Then stick to the adenovirus vector vaccines. Or the Novavax protein vax.[/QUOTE]Adenovirus, no. Another fail gene therapy. There is a small chance that adenovirus will integrate and will change your DNA. Novavax is the best. But I think only old people should take it. Younger people, I don't want to risk their future for my benefit.

[QUOTE]I find it a little odd that one is scared about a vaccine made of whole virus which has all of the genetic material more than a vaccine of only the genetic material surrounded by a lipid micelle. Like being scared of a holstered gun but not a murderer with a gun holstered to his hip.[/QUOTE]There is a lot that you don't know. Whole virus, if manufacture right, there is less risk of immune escape. I think the lipid micelle itself can be toxic.

[QUOTE]Thank you for saying that it won't change DNA. But again the use of the term "gene therapy" here is intentionally misleading. You are quite aware that gene therapy refers to alteration of host generic material. You know these vaccines don't do that yet you keep using the term to scare people.[/QUOTE]It is not misleading, we are using failed gene therapy technology. That is a fact. We should stick to proven technology. The new one, make sure that it is safe to the normal process.

[QUOTE]Who cares about controlling expression, we want it expressed 100% because that is the point. There are no other proteins encoded in the mRNA besides spike protein code.[/QUOTE]What? The spike protein itself is toxic.

[QUOTE]Where they will go? The only place that matters is the cytoplasm that have translation polymerase to make proteins. Free mRNA is so unstable outside of a shell.[/QUOTE]Oh I don't know maybe the ovaries.

[QUOTE]It's a pandemic. Recommending ivermectin without "gold standard" clinical trials to recommend dosages that balance efficacy and toxicity is also rushed.[/QUOTE]Yeah but we know that ivermectin is as safe as an aspirin. Look at the risk / benefit.

[QUOTE]Politicization goes both ways, obviously.[/QUOTE]Yeah but team vaccine won. There will be immune escape and we all are fuck. I just care about eradicating covid.

[QUOTE]Pipe dream in 2021. Dense population. Politics. Economics. Pandemics and epidemics will be more and more frequent. That has been predicted for decades. Something like 90% of disease causing pathogens developed when humans settled into permanent dwellings and cities thousands of years ago. It will only get worse.

People are pretty dumb and selfish, but I'm not mad at the dummies. They can be controlled and distracted and kept FR causing further harm. The educated ones who voluntarily choose to misinform and misdirect are the ones more dangerous to society. Ahem. Cough. Stop choosing the side of evil.[/QUOTE]You are sick dude. I don't want to control or distract anyone. BTW, the virus come from a lab.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581690]In addition to antibody against the original Wuhan spike protein, it reasonable to think people are also getting antibody against these lipid particles. I have no clue as to the long term effect of that. And they are going to boost people with these particle again and again due to variant. But it is all a guess, I have no prove.[/QUOTE]Uh, immune response can be illicit by ANY foreign particle. No reason to think any differently.

Your statements about mRNA localization is either out of ignorance or intentionally mentioned but fails to mention that it would take one hell of bad coincidence for a specific mRNA strand to bind to a very specific protein chaperone that escorts it into the nucleus while also having affinity for DNA, while also altering said DNA.

Yes an apocalyptic sized asteroid can escape the asteroid belt, go completely undetected for months, and hit the earth tomorrow and end all life on this planet. That's about the same probability as your concerns regarding intentionally designed mRNA vaccines coincidentally finding the perfect circumstances to enter the nucleus and exert deleterious effects on the genetic code.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581714]Murse,

Oh I think is totally possible to reduce the R0 below 1. We need to use every tool we got.

Adeno virus is a new platform from failed (the forbidden word gene something.) WTF. I think gene therapy is fucking awesome. It doesn't just treat a disease, one dose and you cure a disease. Who want to take drug for the rest of their life.

Anyway, I'm concern about the platform itself, not any drug or vaccine in particular. Those other platform have work for HVB, Polio etc.

Even if you are 100% right. We are more likely to reduce the R0 below 1, if we add ivermectin to the mix for people who refuse to take any vaccine. It doesn't matter who is right wouldn't you agree that it will help bring the R0 below one. Wouldn't it be better if people have choices.[/QUOTE]Use of the term gene therapy Forbidden? No. Intentionally misused leading to misinformation by someone whose claimed credentials suggests that he should know better? Shows a lack of professional integrity.

Theoretically of course you can eradicate a single disease. Reality, not in this current socio-political environment.

Ivermectin in recommended doses is safe. Sure, give people the choice. Just don't play it off as an alternative for actual widely clinically tested pharmaceuticals for the purpose of COVID19 treatment. It certainly can't take the place of a vaccine that has clearly shown effectiveness in reducing all metrics, most notably hospitalization and death.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581714]Look at what happen to Judith Smentkiewicz. She was in the ICU with on 20% chance of survival. She took ivermectin and recover. They move her to a different wing. The doctor in that wing refuse to give her ivermectin and she deteriorate. Her family have to sue, the court order the hospital to continue with ivermectin treatment immediately. WTF, the anti-ivermectin people want to kill this lady just to prove they are right?.[/QUOTE]That's a cute anecdote. But what ICU physician tells a family numerical odds of survival? We don't do that in this field because no one can possibly know. Sounds like someone added something to print in the papers. Maybe a nurse gave her this numerical "chance of survival" but providers DON'T DO THAT. That's been engrained since the proliferation of ambulance chaser lawsuits of the 1990's. At best, we'll give a quality of life prognosis.

Who knows the details of the patient, their comorbidities, or course of disease progression, [B]but giving Ivermectin 10 days after intubation, which likely means minimum 2 weeks post inoculation, likely even longer, likely means that it didn't do shit[/B] for this woman unless she was chronically immune compromised. It likely put more unnecessary strain on her liver. At this point however, the virus has done it's damage and [B]viral proliferation has passed[/B]. At this stage of COVID19 disease progression, she has likely moved on from the acute stages of organ damage due to viral replication and moved into [B]post-infection organ failure[/B]. Antimicrobials wouldn't do shit for a patient that late in disease progression because her illness is not exacerbated by the pathogen replication, the mechanism of action for Ivermectin.

But this quote by the family tells me all I need to know about the nature of the story:

[QUOTE]Michael Smentkiewicz said he also believes the power of prayer helped his mother.[/QUOTE]Praise Jesus!

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581734]People are more likely to be conspiratorial because your science bureaucrat are dishonest. Yeah it come from nature and not the lab. There is no pandemic. Oh it is a pandemic. Don't wear mask, it does not work. Oh we need to wear mask. Well wear two mask. Sure just take the vax, that is how we get back to normal.[/QUOTE]I don't care about the politics. Our best people do not go into politics and the highest levels are more prone to corruption. But I have less faith in "research professionals" who directly and knowingly spread misinformation. I leave the door open for government officials knowing information and strategies to which I am not privy. I even excuse them a bit for not knowing the clinical science. But people like you who purposefully misinforms for shits and giggles, I find a bit more morally bankrupt.

[QUOTE=McGrath;2581650]Did not read.[/QUOTE]Who care you didn't read, I really don't. Do you think I write to be read? When I know many read all of me. But I visit and was able to adapt to make my day being good among a very average casting. Spending more than 17 hours, having 2 rooms, 2 hours, with same really fresh beauty and also very fresh in bed, for 365, not much I used to spend at LR 4 years ago. Spent 310 on previous week end.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2581691]Impossible to debate with you, you're a right wing fanatic with a strong anti-communism fetish.

My advice, try not to quote Russia Today because it's the nearly official voice of Uncle Vladimir who was a total commie.[/QUOTE]Well, HT must like what Daddy Vladdy has to say now: [URL]https://tass.com/society/1309539[/URL].

Daddy Vladdy says that HT is a nihilist: [URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/covid-19-cases-hit-an-all-time-daily-high-moscow-2021-06-18/[/URL].

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2581634]You know when you're right over target when Murze, PiZ, 'Locky' V and BB69 come over to spam the whole thread without actually debating any of the issues. LOL!

Anyway, "cases" are going up and the politicians (more power) and Big Pharma (more money) have tasted blood. Why would they NOT do another lockdown?[/QUOTE]In a way we are lucky that UK will now experiment what happens in a country with 50% vaccination rate that completely opens up and has a high number of new cases. First they experimented what happens if you focus on as many first doses as possible (seemed to work OK until Delta showed up). The rest of Europe gets to watch for about 2 months what will happen. Thank you BoJo.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2581732]Sorry but he has no balls, these upselling girls should go work in apartments, not in our clubs![/QUOTE]He is known as a money pig.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2581732]Sorry but he has no balls, these upselling girls should go work in apartments, not in our clubs![/QUOTE]When some go to play grocery in clubs where not pretty girls, I only pay for beauties and they worth more expensive for me than average looks I don t pay for. 365 € to make my pleasure with 2 enjoyable rooms, second was really interesting and stay for 17 hours at Sharks for breakfast, lunch, diner, jacuzzi and hotel, is not so bad deal for me. I m Ok to repeat and enjoy like this.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2581792]How do I know that the bartender didn't stick his chlamydia dick in my beer? Those things live on the same spectrum of possibilities.[/QUOTE]What kind of bar do you attend?

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2579398]We have at least two weirdos suffering from autism related troubles here.[/QUOTE]You may be underestimating that number:

[QUOTE]Common symptoms of Aspergers:
(1) Problems making or maintaining friendships
(2) Isolation or minimal interaction in social situations
(3) Poor eye contact or the tendency to stare at others
(4) Trouble interpreting gestures
(5) Inability to recognize humor, irony, and sarcasm
(6) Inappropriate behaviors or odd mannerisms
(7) Problems expressing empathy, controlling emotions, or communicating feelings
(8) Lack of common sense
(9) Tendency to engage in one-sided conversations about oneself
(10) Fascination with certain topics
(11) Interpretation of information as literal
(12) The preference for a strict schedule or routine
(13) Repetitive speech

Some people might interpret a childs symptoms as simply rude behavior. For instance, individuals with Aspergers might talk exclusively about themselves. They may not recognize when someone is uncomfortable, disinterested, or offended. Because they dont always recognize social cues, they may speak loudly at inappropriate times, such as during a church service.

https://www.everydayhealth.com/aspergers/what-are-signs-symptoms-disorder/..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2582030]You may be underestimating that number:[/QUOTE]Well, the problem with these psychology definitions are that they usually are way to broad. Like that long list you just posted here. I ran them through 10 random people I know just now. Including some here on the forum, and each one of them checks out at a minimum 3 of the points you quoted.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2581851]Who care you didn't read, I really don't... [/QUOTE]Oh, but you do care, you responded. And you will respond to this post as well telling how much you don't care.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2581691]Impossible to debate with you, you're a right wing fanatic with a strong anti-communism fetish.

My advice, try not to quote Russia Today because it's the nearly official voice of Uncle Vladimir who was a total commie.[/QUOTE]You're an uneducated and arrogant left wing extremist so no one gives a fuck about your extremist and uneducated opinions.

BTW, you're aware that they have a maximum tax rate of 15 % in Russia? Sounds like communism to me lmfao! You're living in the past, like an outdated geezer.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2581864]In a way we are lucky that UK will now experiment what happens in a country with 50% vaccination rate that completely opens up and has a high number of new cases. First they experimented what happens if you focus on as many first doses as possible (seemed to work OK until Delta showed up). The rest of Europe gets to watch for about 2 months what will happen. Thank you BoJo.[/QUOTE]You don't seem to have much faith in the vaccine, when will be the time to actually live life instead of just surviving according to you? Never?

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833[/URL]

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581801]I disagree. Ivermectin is very effective at prevention.[/QUOTE]So inconsistent to accept admitted lack of "gold standard" for ivermectin to back up your claims but demand more from vaccines with much higher sample sizes and much higher efficacy numbers. Fake scientist.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581801]Adenovirus, no. Another fail gene therapy. There is a small chance that adenovirus will integrate and will change your DNA. Novavax is the best. But I think only old people should take it. Younger people, I don't want to risk their future for my benefit.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581801]
It is not misleading, we are using failed gene therapy technology. That is a fact. We should stick to proven technology. The new one, make sure that it is safe to the normal process.[/QUOTE]No actual objective, progress minded research scientist would make this comment. Fake scientist.

Again, attaching the term failed gene therapy is intentionally misleading and is aimed to influence with dramatics rather than information. Fake scientist.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581801]What? The spike protein itself is toxic.[/QUOTE]It's antigenic / immunogenic. Toxic no. Fake scientist.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2581801]Oh I don't know maybe the ovaries.[/QUOTE]And then? So? Are the ovaries made of antigen presenting cells? Fake scientist.

You're right.

Three fucked up beyond any chance of salvation.

At least two really close to join them in fantasy world.

[QUOTE=Prelude141;2581878]He is known as a money pig.[/QUOTE]You claim here to know me? When I don't know you, so you can't know me, maybe just seeing, but not more than bullshiting, like many others. Do you enjoy your visits, if you visit? I make the job to enjoy mine.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2581864]In a way we are lucky that UK will now experiment what happens in a country with 50% vaccination rate that completely opens up and has a high number of new cases. First they experimented what happens if you focus on as many first doses as possible (seemed to work OK until Delta showed up). The rest of Europe gets to watch for about 2 months what will happen. Thank you BoJo.[/QUOTE]I am watching Amazon, Disney, Netflix and HBO as well. Anything can happen. It is all up the people with the scripts!

Murse,

Can you please get a job at the FDA and implement your standard on safety and efficacy? Everything would be approve and my stock option would make me a billionaire.

What is a person from the USA gets a positive covid test whilst in Germany?

Then according to the CDC one's test can remain positive for over 3 months. Even longer if a severe case for an unvaccinated person.

During this time apparently cannot return to the USA and stuck in Germany unable to enter clubs and unable to rent hotel and plus probably run out of money.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2582030]You may be underestimating that number:[/QUOTE]It's the wrong diagnosis but probably in the same family of autism spectrum disorders (ASD). People with what was formerly called Asperger's usually display high levels of quantitative analytical intelligence and astute observation skills. They usually never make conclusions based on maybes, hunches, or items not definitively factual. On the flip side, their disabilities usually manifests in social and emotional deficits. Some refer to them as having "high functioning autism" and is common to see these people at the top of a STEM profession. For example, vascular surgeons have a higher incidence of "high functioning Autism". That's not the population we have been seeing here.

While other forms of ASD result in no special cognitive ability, what is usually universal is the social-emotional deficits. The inability to read social cues and lack of human empathy is the underlying commonality. This is also the more unfortunate scenario when someone misses on humanity qualities but are not compensated with elite levels of analytical ability.

The former profile is sort of like a blind man having heighten senses of hearing and smell. The latter is what we seem to be observing, a blind man who is also partially deaf in one ear. These disorders are hard to diagnose accurately with consistency; but when we see someone displaying the signs, we often colloquially refer to them as "being on the spectrum. "

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2582150]Murse,

Can you please get a job at the FDA and implement your standard on safety and efficacy? Everything would be approve and my stock option would make me a billionaire.[/QUOTE]It's a pandemic and it was emergency use.

Attempts to manipulate lay people with incomplete science and loose associations while trying to pass familiarity with expertise did not go unnoticed to a better trained eye. Your tactics on this matter may pass at a local bar, but professionals can sniff the bullshit right away.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2582103]You're right.

Three fucked up beyond any chance of salvation.

At least two really close to join them in fantasy world.[/QUOTE]I have a different scenario. One maybe two autism spectrum disorders. Others are just angry dorks.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2581864]In a way we are lucky that UK will now experiment what happens in a country with 50% vaccination rate that completely opens up and has a high number of new cases. First they experimented what happens if you focus on as many first doses as possible (seemed to work OK until Delta showed up). The rest of Europe gets to watch for about 2 months what will happen. Thank you BoJo.[/QUOTE]No need to wait for UK. Look no further than the USA today. We're at similar vax rates without the single vax variable. We've been basically wide open for 4 months. The least vaxxed states top the list of states with highest incidence. 99% of 7 day rolling deaths and 97% of 7-day rolling hospitalizations. Mind you the total deaths and hospitalizations remain relatively low. Most elderly are fully vaxxed. They remain protected from mortality. Most severe cases are in the 40-60 unvaxxed demographic. Not many intubated patients compared to winter highs.

US states such as Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri, Mississippi, and Arkansas are major American hot spots. Their average vaxxed rates are at the bottom of the nation. The well vaxxed states seeing some uptick are densely populated states with large areas of unvaxxed young people such as New Jersey, California, and Florida. Coincidentally, mortality in the latter states is obviously lower.

The Mayo clinic trackers provides infographics that tells the story.

Cases per 100.000:

[URL]https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/map[/URL]

Vaccination rates:

[URL]https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker[/URL]

I may be too optimistic but I think the situation in the US paints an optimistic future. Old are vaxxed. Young will get sick but acuity / severity will remain low for them.

At this point, Pushing vaccination will get diminishing returns on the remaining unvaxxed population. I would even push for exploring less effective but perhaps more accepted prophylaxis options like Ivermectin such as NorCalRite suggested.

In the mean time, the most at risk population (although relatively low acuity) is currently unvaxxed males over 40. Amongst the ones without major comorbidities, mortality will be low; but I'm guessing an average 10 days of lost productivity / recreation. For nations that are in similar situations to the US, I think it's now a fine time to let her rip, open everything up, and live with the much more acceptable worst case scenario (low death, mostly middle aged unvaxxed men losing a bit of productivity).

COVID will fizzle in a slow, agonizing, anti-climatic fashion. No point in pushing vax any longer. Those who want it already have gotten it.

As such, one must live with the consequences of one's actions: "If he dies, he dies". -Ivan Drago.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2581732]Sorry but he has no balls, these upselling girls should go work in apartments, not in our clubs![/QUOTE]% Sharks thread, out of context here.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2581864]In a way we are lucky that UK will now experiment what happens in a country with 50% vaccination rate that completely opens up and has a high number of new cases. First they experimented what happens if you focus on as many first doses as possible (seemed to work OK until Delta showed up). The rest of Europe gets to watch for about 2 months what will happen. Thank you BoJo.[/QUOTE]Israel already mass vaxxed it's population and opened up months ago, only to impose more restrictions again:

[URL]https://youtu.be/kxRS6qUiDDM[/URL]

Thank you Big Pharma and Big Tech!

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2582050]Oh, but you do care, you responded. And you will respond to this post as well telling how much you don't care.[/QUOTE]I keep on living how I decide, nobody here can change my own personal subjective choices when I m not a follower, trying to make my life enjoyable and also for my real sports for my holidays, even had to delay on sad 3 July I finished at Globe after driving 5 hours from Iseran and real nightmare on Autumn 14 July.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2582097]You don't seem to have much faith in the vaccine, when will be the time to actually live life instead of just surviving according to you? Never?

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833[/URL][/QUOTE]I have faith in data and science. I don't have to be in Earth orbit to say "OK, I saw with my own eyes, the earth is not flat". So far, studies and data say that _fully_ vaccinated people have a significantly smaller risk of getting sick. Before Delta, one dose was already reducing the risk a good deal, with Delta you need two doses. BTW, this scenario was discussed even last year in the spring, so no big surprise here. At least before Delta, the transmission risk was significantly reduced too. My understanding is that the viral load of Delta is 1000 higher, which definitely impacts transmission risk. The longer the virus infects large number of people, the higher the chance of new variants.

My current position is, in North America and Europe all 40+ had the chance to be vaccinated, in a lot of countries even all 18+ had that chance. Who is not yet vaccinated is because they chose that. I haven't followed UK that closely, but I don't see reports that the hospitals are getting full now. So in my opinion, they can lift the restrictions since under 40 have a very low risk of severe cases. Other countries now look at UK and see what will happen locally 2 months later. In Switzerland the only restrictions are masks in shops and public transit.

If new data comes out reported by reputable sources, I am OK to change my position.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2582139]I am watching Amazon, Disney, Netflix and HBO as well. Anything can happen. It is all up the people with the scripts![/QUOTE]I thought you are the guy who has advanced access to these scripts.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2582095]BTW, you're aware that they have a maximum tax rate of 15 % in Russia? Sounds like communism to me lmfao! You're living in the past, like an outdated geezer.[/QUOTE]You are right, Russia is not communist country now. It is an authoritarian state with the head of state changing the constitution at will so he can stay in power as long as he wants, he is in power since 2000, now he can stay in power until 2036. This is the guy who has no problem invading neighbouring countries.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2582159]What is a person from the USA gets a positive covid test whilst in Germany?

Then according to the CDC one's test can remain positive for over 3 months. Even longer if a severe case for an unvaccinated person.

During this time apparently cannot return to the USA and stuck in Germany unable to enter clubs and unable to rent hotel and plus probably run out of money.[/QUOTE]Correct on all counts except the money because obviously you don't run out of money after just 3 months of living on the streets.

[URL]https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/germany-opens-to-us-tourists[/URL]

So. Is it a good idea to book now for December?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2581718]The entire covid debacle is just a waste of focus. A mind trick at most.[/QUOTE]Vladimir Putin fell fell hook, line, and sinker for it. You know he thinks Russians (and morons from other countries) are nihilists, don't you. That is no term of endearment BTW.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-says-nihilism-low-vaccination-rate-behind-fresh-covid-19-surge-2021-06-18/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2582212]No need to wait for UK. Look no further than the USA today. ... Those who want it already have gotten it.

As such, one must live with the consequences of one's actions: "If he dies, he dies". -Ivan Drago.[/QUOTE]In US the numbers didn't jump as fast as in UK. But yeah, time to let it rip.

[QUOTE=Kartoffel;2582264]% Sharks thread, out of context here.[/QUOTE]Sorry mate, he pollutes a lot of threads. At least this one is the rants thread, so I don't mind here. It's worse when he posts about Samya in 2014 in the Globe thread.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2582279]Israel already mass vaxxed it's population and opened up months ago, only to impose more restrictions again:

[URL]https://youtu.be/kxRS6qUiDDM[/URL]

Thank you Big Pharma and Big Tech![/QUOTE]You nihilist. Listen to Daddy Vladdy!

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2582103]You're right.

Three fucked up beyond any chance of salvation.

At least two really close to join them in fantasy world.[/QUOTE]You must be referring to yourself, Nurse and Siri.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2581739]Angela M. In the news states that climate change is somehow the cause of the floods. This is complete b. S. The neighborhoods located near a river and / or dams should have a storm drainage system with concrete storm drains with high flow water to a drainage system. The fact that these towns exists so long without flooding is a miracle. Nothing to do with climate, and everything to do with not designing properly.

Due to many of the villages springing up hundreds of years ago prior to running water and cars wherein people relied on river for transportation and water. They needed to be close to it. Now, with concrete and paved roads being close to a river is not a smart living area. They need a complete redesign with correct flood control drainage system and should hire me for consultation so I redesign some of these neighborhoods.[/QUOTE]LOL yes your theory is absurd. What's with the climate denial?

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2582379]In US the numbers didn't jump as fast as in UK. But yeah, time to let it rip.[/QUOTE]Yeah, likely due to the fact that we didn't impose as strict a lockdown and did not change the vax schedule. The US never got as low as UK in case numbers, so a slow spread kept numbers higher in US while UK was locked down although still manageable. Once opened, UK numbers jumped but with less severe cases. If we looked at the per capita incidence curve, I bet the area under the curve (total cases per capita) are very similar.

In the end, now, the same population are getting infected in both countries, young and unvaxxed with the elderly having been vaxxed spared the mortality outcomes. I think it's the best outcome we could have hoped for considering the social-politicization of the pandemic.

[QUOTE=OfficeMatt;2582420]LOL yes your theory is absurd. What's with the climate denial?[/QUOTE]Maybe the Dutch and Pacific Islanders could teach the Germans and Belgians a thing or two. Humans are stupid to think they can control nature in the long term. Build on an unstable hillside denuded of trees, or on a flood plain? 100 year floods are becoming 50 year floods. Live in the Nevada, Arizona or California deserts? Your swimming pools will be empty, filling up with the tumbling tumbleweeds. In this sick world the billionaires have invented a new way to complete with each other besides building a bigger boat.

Not to butt into the lovely back and forth on this topic, but the expected labor day office return is suddenly looking iffy.

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-20/apple-will-postpone-return-to-office-after-covid-19-persists[/URL]

If the daily cases spike to 40 K or 50 K, I suspect this long awaited post labor day return to on prem for corporate America is probably out the window. If it gets pushed out into late October of mid November, then it will be like "winter season, more Covid, oh shucks Christmas is here already, why bother and let's wait till new year and decide".

As such, I am already grounded and this fucking things keeps dragging on.

I think tech companies will definitely delay this. Banks have been pushing hard to bring people in, especially the big ones like JPM. Dimon has been chomping at the bit but hasn't corralled enough people to get his wish. If case loads in NYC spike and banks also cave in, then return to the tall buildings will be postponed by a few more months.

Fuck the CCP and Delta variant.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2582510]Not to butt into the lovely back and forth on this topic, but the expected labor day office return is suddenly looking iffy.

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-20/apple-will-postpone-return-to-office-after-covid-19-persists[/URL]

If the daily cases spike to 40 K or 50 K, I suspect this long awaited post labor day return to on prem for corporate America is probably out the window. If it gets pushed out into late October of mid November, then it will be like "winter season, more Covid, oh shucks Christmas is here already, why bother and let's wait till new year and decide".

As such, I am already grounded and this fucking things keeps dragging on.

I think tech companies will definitely delay this. Banks have been pushing hard to bring people in, especially the big ones like JPM. Dimon has been chomping at the bit but hasn't corralled enough people to get his wish. If case loads in NYC spike and banks also cave in, then return to the tall buildings will be postponed by a few more months.

Fuck the CCP and Delta variant.[/QUOTE]I agree with you on "Fuck the CCP and Delta variant". But but, instead of being grounded against you wishes, maybe you could simply take a job in a Florida, Texas or Tennessee based company? Or, even better, vote correctly in the 2024 election?

I was convinced (not!) that Biden (with vaccines readily available) can control Covid better than Trump (who championed vaccines but none was ready in his time), well what do I know, right?

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2582290]You are right, Russia is not communist country now. It is an authoritarian state with the head of state changing the constitution at will so he can stay in power as long as he wants, he is in power since 2000, now he can stay in power until 2036. This is the guy who has no problem invading neighbouring countries.[/QUOTE]Sounds a lot like any other Western "democracy. ".

When Lukashenko or Putin smash down opposition, the Western politicians cry crocodile tears. When Spain smashes down people who protest for independence in Catalonia, when Marcon smashes down Yellow Vests protesters, when Germany smashes down protesters against the Covid1984 dictatorship, when the UK locks up Assange, or when Epstein commits "suicide" in a USA prison cell, then those same politicians are silent.

When Putin or Lukashenko shut down opposition newspapers or TV station, the Western politicians cry like babies, but when they de-platform anyone they don't like from asocial media, tor try to hunt down guys like Chelsea Manning, Assange and Snowden, then you hear crickets again, or they come up with some vague shit about "combatting fake news. " Well, maybe Putin is ALSO shutting down "fake news" journalists and websites in Russia? LOL!

[QUOTE=Gino02;2582536]I agree with you on "Fuck the CCP and Delta variant". But but, instead of being grounded against you wishes, maybe you could simply take a job in a Florida, Texas or Tennessee based company? Or, even better, vote correctly in the 2024 election?

I was convinced (not!) that Biden (with vaccines readily available) can control Covid better than Trump (who championed vaccines but none was ready in his time), well what do I know, right?[/QUOTE]It is about people returning to offices, business travel resuming, having to go out of town on business. I'm kinda grounded until these things return to normal. I am not aware that the situation for these things is different between states; I know for a fact that it is not. Apple workers in Austin are doing shelter in at home as much as the ones in Cupertino; it is a company wide decision. I am just frustrated that we will be stuck in this limbo for months to come.

USA gymnast Kara gets covid despite vaccine.

I would still kiss her and take my chances.

So interesting to see if she is stranded in Japan for three months until her test comes back negative.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2KveIaBk74[/URL]

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2582461]Humans are stupid to think they can control nature in the long term. Build on an unstable hillside denuded of trees, or on a flood plain? 100 year floods are becoming 50 year floods.[/QUOTE]I find this point funny. I lived in Santa Barbara, CA for some years and remember seeing annual fires in the summers. The hillside / mountainside would catch fire leading to erosion of anchoring / protective trees. Then when autumn rains would come, the landslides occurred engulfing the mountainside homes. Stubborn people would choose to live like that having to deal with catastrophe every few years just for the sake of having a home with a view. Insanity.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2582607]USA gymnast Kara gets covid despite vaccine.

I would still kiss her and take my chances.

So interesting to see if she is stranded in Japan for three months until her test comes back negative.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2KveIaBk74[/URL][/QUOTE]She should of take ivermectin.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2582279]Israel already mass vaxxed it's population and opened up months ago, only to impose more restrictions again:

[URL]https://youtu.be/kxRS6qUiDDM[/URL]

Thank you Big Pharma and Big Tech![/QUOTE]Did I have hear 47% of UK new case are fully vaccinated? So the vaccine just kind of reduce infection of delta?

When Belarus tells airline to land for journalist with warrant that's terrible.

But a similar thing that the USA did with a leaker who was thought to be on a presidential plane to a Central American country was forced to land in Austria then its OK.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2582556]Sounds a lot like any other Western "democracy. ".

When Lukashenko or Putin smash down opposition, the Western politicians cry crocodile tears. When Spain smashes down people who protest for independence in Catalonia, when Marcon smashes down Yellow Vests protesters, when Germany smashes down protesters against the Covid1984 dictatorship, when the UK locks up Assange, or when Epstein commits "suicide" in a USA prison cell, then those same politicians are silent.

When Putin or Lukashenko shut down opposition newspapers or TV station, the Western politicians cry like babies, but when they de-platform anyone they don't like from asocial media, tor try to hunt down guys like Chelsea Manning, Assange and Snowden, then you hear crickets again, or they come up with some vague shit about "combatting fake news. " Well, maybe Putin is ALSO shutting down "fake news" journalists and websites in Russia? LOL![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2582556]Sounds a lot like any other Western "democracy. ". When Lukashenko or Putin smash down opposition.[/QUOTE]Comparing Russia and Belarus with Western democracies, really? Russia and Belarus are just as "free" as China, buddy. What is it with extremist nutcases that they like dictators so much? Why don't you move there if life is so great there?

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2582607]USA gymnast Kara gets covid despite vaccine.

I would still kiss her and take my chances.

So interesting to see if she is stranded in Japan for three months until her test comes back negative.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2KveIaBk74[/URL][/QUOTE]The vaccine are 50% efficient at their best probably less against some variant. All the big pharma were condemned for bribery, Pfister, Moderna. Should again face the justice just because what they announced 98% efficiency and the reality is not there. The 4th wave is on its way in Europe, probably in the coming weeks hospital will be packed again and death toll will also rise, will the people act now, obviously not, mongers want to fuck like there is no corona.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2582607]USA gymnast Kara gets covid despite vaccine.

I would still kiss her and take my chances.

So interesting to see if she is stranded in Japan for three months until her test comes back negative.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2KveIaBk74[/URL][/QUOTE]Not the only vaccinated to be positive. So many vaccinated UK are positive to delta. When people are vaccinated, they are not careful anymore and spread. For me, only vaccinated is not safe enough for covid playfield brothels, 48 hours test is more safe to prevent spreading, when I still see fat, pappies and can t say for diabetics or cancer.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2582556]Sounds a lot like any other Western "democracy. ".

When Lukashenko or Putin smash down opposition, the Western politicians cry crocodile tears. When Spain smashes down people who protest for independence in Catalonia, when Marcon smashes down Yellow Vests protesters, when Germany smashes down protesters against the Covid1984 dictatorship, when the UK locks up Assange, or when Epstein commits "suicide" in a USA prison cell, then those same politicians are silent.

When Putin or Lukashenko shut down opposition newspapers or TV station, the Western politicians cry like babies, but when they de-platform anyone they don't like from asocial media, tor try to hunt down guys like Chelsea Manning, Assange and Snowden, then you hear crickets again, or they come up with some vague shit about "combatting fake news. " Well, maybe Putin is ALSO shutting down "fake news" journalists and websites in Russia? LOL![/QUOTE]The very reason why you know so much about Yellow vest protests, Covid protests, Assange protests and Catalonia protests is the real difference between western democracy and Putin / Lukashenko regimes.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2582700]The vaccine are 50% efficient at their best probably less against some variant. All the big pharma were condemned for bribery, Pfister, Moderna. Should again face the justice just because what they announced 98% efficiency and the reality is not there. The 4th wave is on its way in Europe, probably in the coming weeks hospital will be packed again and death toll will also rise, will the people act now, obviously not, mongers want to fuck like there is no corona.[/QUOTE]New delta cases are exploding in EU and UK, mostly among between 20 and 30 yo who don t care, and yes 4th wave is coming, but not so many deaths in UK, so vaccine seem quite efficient, at least to protect vaccinated when many are positive in UK. But they can still spread and delta is exploding in crowded places, like where tourism. No big risk for a lonely bear in mountains.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2582700]The vaccine are 50% efficient at their best probably less against some variant. All the big pharma were condemned for bribery, Pfister, Moderna. Should again face the justice just because what they announced 98% efficiency and the reality is not there. The 4th wave is on its way in Europe, probably in the coming weeks hospital will be packed again and death toll will also rise, will the people act now, obviously not, mongers want to fuck like there is no corona.[/QUOTE]It it would be helpful if you defined your definition of "efficient."

I'm guessing you meant to use the word "effective." But that should also be defined as what you judge to be "effective."

Is your definition to never test positive? Is it never getting symptomatic? Reducing severity?

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2582607]USA gymnast Kara gets covid despite vaccine.

I would still kiss her and take my chances.

So interesting to see if she is stranded in Japan for three months until her test comes back negative.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2KveIaBk74[/URL][/QUOTE]Fortunately for Team USA, she was only an alternate and not actually on the team. Happy for her that she is asymptomatic. I feel sorry for her for being deprived a trip to Tokyo. She wouldn't have seen much of it in this current climate anyway.

[QUOTE=JoeZakary;2582918]Yes it was over 35 on the 20th, but yes hahaha I don't care because I'm only going in August so whatever happens happens in winter![/QUOTE]I don't know where you are getting your info but yesterday France had 18000 cases, German double within 1 week, without speaking about UK, the 4th wave is popping up very fast in Europe and I don t believe that we need to wait for the winter to see the things again getting catastrophic.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2582876]New delta cases are exploding in EU and UK, mostly among between 20 and 30 yo who don t care, and yes 4th wave is coming, but not so many deaths in UK, so vaccine seem quite efficient, at least to protect vaccinated when many are positive in UK. But they can still spread and delta is exploding in crowded places, like where tourism. No big risk for a lonely bear in mountains.[/QUOTE]It is too early to see hospitalizations and deaths rising but for sure this will happen within 2 weeks, Macron is not stressed for nothing, he get better info than we and he knows that if the situation is getting bad again he will face a big challenge for his re-election in 2022. But it is already too late, France never want to close the boarders like UK so terrible results in fighting the pandemic.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2582289]I thought you are the guy who has advanced access to these scripts.[/QUOTE]Only the overarching story. Not the small details.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2582788]The very reason why you know so much about Yellow vest protests, Covid protests, Assange protests and Catalonia protests is the real difference between western democracy and Putin / Lukashenko regimes.[/QUOTE]You obviously don't know many Russians who disagree with Putin.

You obviously don't know much anyway, just being the keyboard warrior repeating the same Deep State Western government propaganda.

Anti-Putin: check!

Pro-vaccine: check!

Covid scaremongering: check!

Life must be easy for a guy who "just follows orders" and outsources the thinking to others right?

Guys guys guys. We all know we live in a simulation don't we?

Well, what do you think simulations are made for? We simulate possible events, and possible ways of handling this event.

So indeed, it is all a simulation in order to.

1. Figure out how easily people trust in governments.

2. Figure out how well vaccines work.

3. Figure out which countries measures work in order to quell further contamination.

4. Figure out how to deal with a virus outbreak that already happened outside of the simulation.

Given the rate of non-progress we are seeing, since the vaccines make it worse (not even mentioning the side effects they cause), I suspect the chances are higher that we might just as well invent our own Matrix simulation and jump into that one before this plandemic is over. And then we can simulate how to deal with the pandemic from there.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2582927]I don't know where you are getting your info but yesterday France had 18000 cases, German double within 1 week, without speaking about UK, the 4th wave is popping up very fast in Europe and I don t believe that we need to wait for the winter to see the things again getting catastrophic.[/QUOTE]Directly from German RKI source.

32.5 per 100 K in Darmstadt district.

33.8 per 100 K in Frankfurt AM main disteinct.

15 per 100 K State of Hessen.

11.2 per 100 K for all of Germany.

[URL]https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4[/URL]

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2582556] ... Well, maybe Putin is ALSO shutting down "fake news" journalists and websites in Russia? LOL![/QUOTE]Angela Merkel is known to kill opposition politicians or journalists, right? Same like Putin.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2582876]New delta cases are exploding in EU and UK, mostly among between 20 and 30 yo who don t care .[/QUOTE]Or unvaccinated people who don't care.

You realise we're talking about disctricts right? So Germany can have 100 k cases a day and if incidence level in darmstadt is low means the club capacity goes up. Please stop spoiling every time we have good news about something.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2582927]I don't know where you are getting your info but yesterday France had 18000 cases, German double within 1 week, without speaking about UK, the 4th wave is popping up very fast in Europe and I don t believe that we need to wait for the winter to see the things again getting catastrophic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JoeZakary;2582982]You realise we're talking about disctricts right? So Germany can have 100 k cases a day and if incidence level in darmstadt is low means the club capacity goes up. Please stop spoiling every time we have good news about something.[/QUOTE]Das Robert-Koch-Institut (RKI) gab den Wert am Mittwochmorgen mit 11,4 an (Vortag: 10,9; vor einer Woche 7,1). Binnen eines Tages haben die Gesundheitsämter in Deutschland dem RKI 2203 Corona-Neuinfektionen gemeldet. Zum Vergleich: Vor einer Woche hatte der Wert bei 1548 Ansteckungen gelegen.

And you stop being stupid.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2582930]It is too early to see hospitalizations and deaths rising but for sure this will happen within 2 weeks, Macron is not stressed for nothing, he get better info than we and he knows that if the situation is getting bad again he will face a big challenge for his re-election in 2022. But it is already too late, France never want to close the boarders like UK so terrible results in fighting the pandemic.[/QUOTE]When taking big risks reopening covid playfield brothels, German politics don't worry so much about elections in 2 months for after Angela. Macron decided to put pressure on us to get vaccinated, but I'm trained to resist to pressure, no vaccine for me until I finish my climbing tour, even I can't go to restaurant, but I will eat in my room. 4th delta and maybe other mutants wave is already in EU, but less deaths because many weak are now protected by vaccine for a while and this is fine.

[QUOTE=JoeZakary;2582982]You realise we're talking about disctricts right? So Germany can have 100 k cases a day and if incidence level in darmstadt is low means the club capacity goes up. Please stop spoiling every time we have good news about something.[/QUOTE]Even for Germany as a whole, it's even lower than in Shark's Darmstadt district. Cases will go up for sure. But deaths and severity are not correlating. Yet, the doomers and gloomers aren't using the "just a flu" angle right now when it certainly is more applicable than before.

Hopefully Hessen government officials see that and don't over react.

[URL]https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2582959]

11.2 per 100 K for all of Germany.

[URL]https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4[/URL][/QUOTE]SHIT! Just two weeks ago it was at 4. 9, then 5. 2, then double to 10! Fuck! Stay home you sluts! Quit spreading the corona! Wear a mask. Get vaccinated!

I hope the border patrol will turn people away who are not vaccinated!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2582959]Directly from German RKI source.

32.5 per 100 K in Darmstadt district.

33.8 per 100 K in Frankfurt AM main disteinct.

15 per 100 K State of Hessen.

11.2 per 100 K for all of Germany.

[URL]https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4[/URL][/QUOTE]**** Huts will close at 35 per 100 K!

GET VACCINATED!

[QUOTE=Mrknowitall;2583011]**** Huts will close at 35 per 100 K!
[/QUOTE]Oh that is rich! This site censors the work S. L. you. T. ? So "S. L. you. T. Huts" cannot be written out? What is the meaning of this censorship?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2582989]Das Robert-Koch-Institut (RKI) gab den Wert am Mittwochmorgen mit 11,4 an (Vortag: 10,9; vor einer Woche 7,1). Binnen eines Tages haben die Gesundheitsmter in Deutschland dem RKI 2203 Corona-Neuinfektionen gemeldet. Zum Vergleich: Vor einer Woche hatte der Wert bei 1548 Ansteckungen gelegen.

And you stop being stupid.[/QUOTE]You literally posted that RKI states that cases in Germany are 11.4 per 100 K. Rising too fast but still proves the original poster true with his assertion.

I don't think he is the stupid one.

[QUOTE=Mrknowitall;2583010]SHIT! Just two weeks ago it was at 4. 9, then 5. 2, then double to 10! Fuck! Stay home you sluts! Quit spreading the corona! Wear a mask. Get vaccinated!

I hope the border patrol will turn people away who are not vaccinated![/QUOTE]You sound like a fucking moron, you do realize that not everyone have had the opportunity to get vaccinated and people traveling to Germany unvaccinated are less likely to spread Corona than the vaccinated morons without any antigen or pcr-test.

So long for the 'this is my last post on this thread' statement, which was miraculously edited. So long for the 'I will never take the Pfizer vaccine' statement too.

Being addicted to a paysex forum, what a burden. You can't resist the urge to constantly flood every thread (like a diarrhea of words) and you end up contradicting yourself.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2582948]You obviously don't know many Russians who disagree with Putin.[/QUOTE]People who are openly anti Putin (journalists) or run against his party in elections (politicians) tend to have a short life expectancy, at best they end up in Siberia. Sounds like this the freedom you like.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2582930]It is too early to see hospitalizations and deaths rising but for sure this will happen within 2 weeks, Macron is not stressed for nothing, he get better info than we and he knows that if the situation is getting bad again he will face a big challenge for his re-election in 2022. But it is already too late, France never want to close the boarders like UK so terrible results in fighting the pandemic.[/QUOTE]This is the key, number of hospitalizations tend to lag number of cases by 2 - 3 weeks and number of deaths lag number of hospitalizations by another 2-3 weeks. We will see now with the UK experiment what will happen. If UK shows that after vulnerable people are protected by vaccines, that the number of serious cases and deaths is low, that will give to politicians in other European countries additional information to consider.

[QUOTE=Mrknowitall;2583010]SHIT! Just two weeks ago it was at 4. 9, then 5. 2, then double to 10! Fuck! Stay home you sluts! Quit spreading the corona! Wear a mask. Get vaccinated!

I hope the border patrol will turn people away who are not vaccinated![/QUOTE]Even vaccinated people can spread Covid, 1984 because the so-called "vaccine" does not stop the infection chain.

There is enough scientific literature about that, so perhaps you should stay home? LOL!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2583002]Even for Germany as a whole, it's even lower than in Shark's Darmstadt district. Cases will go up for sure. But deaths and severity are not correlating. Yet, the doomers and gloomers aren't using the "just a flu" angle right now when it certainly is more applicable than before.

Hopefully Hessen government officials see that and don't over react.

[URL]https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4[/URL][/QUOTE]"Doomers and gloomers" and yet they say that "it's just a flu?

I think it's clear who are the doomers and gloomers here: it's all the pussies who wanted the entire world shut down for a flu!

Why don't you comment on epidemiologist Prof John Ioannidis and his study that proves that the Infection Mortality Rate is very similar to the flu?

[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE]For people < 70 years old, the infection fatality rate of COVId-19 across 40 locations with
available data ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% (median 0.05%); the corrected values were similar. [/QUOTE][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ioannidis[/URL]

You dumb Doom & Gloom Suckers believe all the government and MSM propaganda!

Locking the world down for 4 million (manipulated) 'deaths' on a global population of 7,8 billion is NOT a pandemic.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2583002]Hopefully Hessen government officials see that and don't over react.[/QUOTE]Germans have been overreacting for 16 months now, why think that this time it will be different? Because there is a so-called "vaccine" that does NOT stop the infection chain and can still spread Covid1984? LOL!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2582876]New delta cases are exploding in EU and UK, mostly among between 20 and 30 yo who don t care, and yes 4th wave is coming, but not so many deaths in UK, so vaccine seem quite efficient, at least to protect vaccinated when many are positive in UK. But they can still spread and delta is exploding in crowded places, like where tourism. No big risk for a lonely bear in mountains.[/QUOTE]It is summertime, cases are supposed to go down in summer. What will happen in winter?

[QUOTE=Mrknowitall;2583010]SHIT! Just two weeks ago it was at 4. 9, then 5. 2, then double to 10! Fuck! Stay home you sluts! ....[/QUOTE]FKK is the safest place to be in Darmstadt, every one is tested before entry.

Who cares! Cases are up 60% and deaths are down 25% ; same goes with UK.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2583265]It is summertime, cases are supposed to go down in summer. What will happen in winter?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2582930]It is too early to see hospitalizations and deaths rising but for sure this will happen within 2 weeks, Macron is not stressed for nothing, he get better info than we and he knows that if the situation is getting bad again he will face a big challenge for his re-election in 2022. But it is already too late, France never want to close the boarders like UK so terrible results in fighting the pandemic.[/QUOTE][U]UK 2nd wave:[/U]

Cases.

1 September: 1 K per day.

1 November: 20 K per day (20 x in 2 months).

Deaths:

1 September: 20 per day.

1 November: 300 per day (15 x in 2 months).

[B] These mortality numbers were terrible[/B]

[U]UK's current post-vaccination Delta wave:[/U]

Cases:

1 May: 2 K per day.

1 July: 20 K per day (10 x in 2 months) 1 July.

Deaths:

1 May: 16 per day.

1 July: 17 per day (1. 06 x in 2 months).

[B]Examined over the same time period, these numbers are not nearly as bad. It is not too early[/B]

[U]Comparing today to UK 3rd wave[/U]

Cases.

1 January: 47 K per day.

21 July: 47 K per day.

Deaths:

1 January: 500.

21 July: 53.

This is your vaccine efficacy data or perhaps Delta strain mortality data. Over the same 2 month span of case increase, deaths did not spike. Given the same case numbers as in January, deaths are 10 x lower. These lower mortality numbers compared over equal time periods indicate that either the vaccines are doing a hell of a job or Delta variant is much less lethal. Either way, things are much much better.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/[/URL]

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2583146]So long for the 'this is my last post on this thread' statement, which was miraculously edited. So long for the 'I will never take the Pfizer vaccine' statement too.

Being addicted to a paysex forum, what a burden. You can't resist the urge to constantly flood every thread (like a diarrhea of words) and you end up contradicting yourself.[/QUOTE]I do remember him championing the Chinese vaccines saying he will not take the scary BigPharm vaccines.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2583185]"Doomers and gloomers" and yet they say that "it's just a flu?

I think it's clear who are the doomers and gloomers here: it's all the pussies who wanted the entire world shut down for a flu!

Why don't you comment on epidemiologist Prof John Ioannidis and his study that proves that the Infection Mortality Rate is very similar to the flu?[/QUOTE]Why don't you comment on basic statistics?

Deaths from COVID in one year in France: around 80 000.

[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths[/URL]

Deaths from flu in one year in France: on average around 10 000.

[URL]https://www.santepubliquefrance.fr/maladies-et-traumatismes/maladies-et-infections-respiratoires/grippe/articles/la-grippe-une-epidemie-saisonniere[/URL]

So if it's the same mortality rate, it means that COVID is a LOT MORE contagious, hence the different restrictions.

Actually I gave you the same numbers for USA some months ago but you didn't bother to comment. The ratio deaths from covid / deaths from the flu was also somewhere between 5 and 8.

In case you tell me that the flu only occurs 3 months a year, if we take the 3 deadliest months for COVID in France, it still kills 30 000-40 000 people, and it was during the lockdown periods.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2583185]"Doomers and gloomers" and yet they say that "it's just a flu?

I think it's clear who are the doomers and gloomers here: it's all the pussies who wanted the entire world shut down for a flu!

Why don't you comment on epidemiologist Prof John Ioannidis and his study that proves that the Infection Mortality Rate is very similar to the flu?

You dumb Doom & Gloom Suckers believe all the government and MSM propaganda![/QUOTE]Looking at Ioannidis' goofy haircut I guess I personally find it hard to take him seriously because he apparently is prone to bad decision making. But no worries, surely if his theories are correct, whatever they are, many many, probably a majority of other epidemiologists would reinforce his findings. I'll wait for the data to swing his way if it ever does. In a capitalist society, the best work usually rises to the top. Maybe he'll make it when he cleans up his methodology.

Also, find an original pejorative instead of ripping off others? Most others here are a bit cautiously optimistic about visiting clubs. Maybe you'll be happier and get over your wrong prediction if you gave the clubs a shot. Or just stay home and be angry. Your choice. No one else really cares.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2583293]I do remember him championing the Chinese vaccines saying he will not take the scary BigPharm vaccines.[/QUOTE]03/23 :

[QUOTE]For sure I will never take the AZ, or the Pfister and Moderna. [/QUOTE]01/26 :

[QUOTE]I will take the vaccine the Russian or Chinese one not the Pfister or Moderna which is not a vaccine but a RNA treatment (genetic)[/QUOTE]Balls of steel!

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2583155]This is the key, number of hospitalizations tend to lag number of cases by 2 - 3 weeks and number of deaths lag number of hospitalizations by another 2-3 weeks. We will see now with the UK experiment what will happen. If UK shows that after vulnerable people are protected by vaccines, that the number of serious cases and deaths is low, that will give to politicians in other European countries additional information to consider.[/QUOTE]Well, it's been 2 months since UK cases started doubling and tripling. This current British wave started in May.

[B][U]Data: [/u][/B]

[U]20 May 2021 (baseline)[/U]

Confirmed Positive: 1500.

Hospital Admissions: 750.

Admission rate: 50%.

[U]20 June 2021 (after 4 weeks)[/U]

Confirmed Positive: 9000.

Hospital Admissions: 1500.

Admission rate: 16.7%.

[U]20 July 2021 (after 9weeks) [/U]

Confirmed Positive: 47 K.

Hospital Admissions: 4500.

Admission rate: 10%.

[U]January (3rd wave peak)[/U]

Confirmed positive peak: 59 K.

Hospitalization Peak: 29 K.

Admission rate: 50%.

[U]Data: November (2nd wave peak)[/U]

Confirmed positive peak: 25 K.

Hospitalization peak: 12.5 K.

Admission rate: 50%.

[B][U]Conclusion[/U][/B]

Up until this Delta wave, UK hospitalizations always hovered at around 50% of confirmed positives. Since cases began to rise in May (serving as our baseline for comparison), admission rates declined after 4 weeks to 16.7% and to less than 10% after 9 weeks from baseline. Basically, as Delta spreads amongst the now vaccinated population, while total admission will go up, admission percentage decreases significantly. Severe cases and deaths have not kept up with the rise in total cases suggesting that either Delta is less lethal, vaccines are working, and / or mostly healthy people are becoming infected.

[B][U]Discussion[/U][/B]

Add the data from the USA and it is clear that the EU has enough data from like nations to make educated policy decisions. It is also obvious that we are approaching vaccination maximums as those that want to be vaccinated mostly already have. As such vaccination alone will not get us to herd immunity. In order to reach herd thresholds, the obvious thing to do is to make up the difference by letting those who choose to go unvaxxed be free to get infected so we can reach the 70-90% threshold. If they or a loved one becomes severely ill or even dies, well it is their collective and individual right to do so.

Data source:

[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-09-06..2021-07-11&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Case+fatality+rate&Relative+to+Population=false&Align+outbreaks=false&country=~GBR[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2583139]You sound like a fucking moron, you do realize that not everyone have had the opportunity to get vaccinated and people traveling to Germany unvaccinated are less likely to spread Corona than the vaccinated morons without any antigen or pcr-test.[/QUOTE]Does it even matter if vaxxed people spread it? Isn't it just the flu?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2583265]It is summertime, cases are supposed to go down in summer. What will happen in winter?[/QUOTE]Original covid seemed not to like heat, but delta seem to love, exploding on this Summer under 30 degrees.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2583353]Does it even matter if vaxxed people spread it? Isn't it just the flu?[/QUOTE]I don't give a fuck about COVID, what I do care about is having a great time in Spain next week when I arrive.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2583353]Does it even matter if vaxxed people spread it? Isn't it just the flu?[/QUOTE]For young people, yes it is just a common cold or flu. For old people with comorbidity, you are fuck. If you have to, take the novavax. The vaccine might cause variant that will fuck over younger people.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2583438]For young people, yes it is just a common cold or flu. For old people with comorbidity, you are fuck. If you have to, take the novavax. The vaccine might cause variant that will fuck over younger people.[/QUOTE]I've never intubated so many 50 year olds for the cold or flu in my 10 years is patient care and medicine. Fortunately most did not die. I'm sure they did not enjoy the 7.5 mm tube in their pharynx and even less, the 5 mm tube in their pee holes.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2583416]I don't give a fuck about COVID, what I do care about is having a great time in Spain next week when I arrive.[/QUOTE]You can thank the development and deployment of vaccines for bringing down the cases enough so you can enjoy that trip to Spain.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2583438].... The vaccine might cause variant that will fuck over younger people.[/QUOTE]Oh no, not my Romanian hunnies!

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2583438]For young people, yes it is just a common cold or flu. For old people with comorbidity, you are fuck. If you have to, take the novavax. The vaccine might cause variant that will fuck over younger people.[/QUOTE]Just a flu for young people, except when it's not.

[URL]https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/31199517/ufc-featherweight-champ-alexander-volkanovski-details-covid-19-battle[/URL]

[URL]https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/31295378/khamzat-chimaev-says-healthy-hungry-covid-19-threatened-mma-career[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2583458]You can thank the development and deployment of vaccines for bringing down the cases enough so you can enjoy that trip to Spain.[/QUOTE]That's funny to take a trip to Spain when one thinks that the Spaniards are lazy parasites.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2583458]You can thank the development and deployment of vaccines for bringing down the cases enough so you can enjoy that trip to Spain.[/QUOTE]LMFAO, it was the same thing last summer even without any vaccines so stop the BS. You really shouldn't talk shit about things you so obviously know nothing about.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2583654]That's funny to take a trip to Spain when one thinks that the Spaniards are lazy parasites.[/QUOTE]It's rather funny how the bigtroll hangs on to every word I write LMFAO!

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2583705]LMFAO, it was the same thing last summer even without any vaccines so stop the BS. You really shouldn't talk shit about things you so obviously know nothing about.[/QUOTE]Yeah, because nothing happened between last summer and this one. Seeing all of the self serving selfishness, I've lost a lot of faith in humans this past year but one plus for mankind is that we're coming out of this despite efforts from people who think like you.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2583318]Looking at Ioannidis' goofy haircut I guess I personally find it hard to take him seriously because he apparently is prone to bad decision making. .[/QUOTE]Isn't this the guy who said there will be only 10000 deaths from covid in the US?

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2583293]I do remember him championing the Chinese vaccines saying he will not take the scary BigPharm vaccines.[/QUOTE]I think it's a positive if somebody is capable of changing their opinions based on new information.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2583139]You sound like a fucking moron, you do realize that not everyone have had the opportunity to get vaccinated and people traveling to Germany unvaccinated are less likely to spread Corona than the vaccinated morons without any antigen or pcr-test.[/QUOTE]Well, at least in North America and Europe anybody over 18 had the opportunity to get vaccinated. What is left now is the people who are too lazy and the tin foil hats. The lazy people will be convinced by measures like the ones in France and Italy.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2583781]Yeah, because nothing happened between last summer and this one. Seeing all of the self serving selfishness, I've lost a lot of faith in humans this past year but one plus for mankind is that we're coming out of this despite efforts from people who think like you.[/QUOTE]It's funny how you're trying to change the subject, stop acting like a demagogue.

Just apologize for talking about things you don't know anything about and stop guessing so much.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2583929]Well, at least in North America and Europe anybody over 18 had the opportunity to get vaccinated. What is left now is the people who are too lazy and the tin foil hats. The lazy people will be convinced by measures like the ones in France and Italy.[/QUOTE]That's not true if you by vaccinated mean fully vaccinated.

Pfizer stock went from $31 in March 2021 to almost $42 per share today.

We should have all bought in and then if we sold today then imagine all the profits.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2581118]He found it on Facebook, along with 'global warming is a joke', 'paracetamol comes from tree bark' and 'no one landed on the moon'.[/QUOTE]It all came together now!

[URL]https://youtu.be/ry49z_tSatY[/URL]

I didn't know we had such a famous celebrity with us here on ISG!

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2581118]He found it on Facebook, along with 'global warming is a joke', 'paracetamol comes from tree bark' and 'no one landed on the moon'.[/QUOTE]Warning: this might happen to all of you after the 2nd or 3rd vaccine shot!

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2583928]I think it's a positive if somebody is capable of changing their opinions based on new information.[/QUOTE]Good point. I guess we should celebrate growth, even if it was a self-serving decision.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2583928]I think it's a positive if somebody is capable of changing their opinions based on new information.[/QUOTE]I think it's not positive when someone is so spineless.

Do you realize how the serial posters here keep contradicting themselves? They should stick to writing a diary.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2583929]Well, at least in North America and Europe anybody over 18 had the opportunity to get vaccinated. What is left now is the people who are too lazy and the tin foil hats. The lazy people will be convinced by measures like the ones in France and Italy.[/QUOTE]When I was a child vaccination was compulsory or you couldn't t go to school after when I was a soldier vaccination was also compulsory, today covid vaccines are available everywhere in Europe or the Us and in China they need to give gifts to make the people get vaccinated, the world is crazy. Now the data's are starting to come out for example in France in the poorest places like Saint-Denis (mostly Muslim migrants) the people are 3 times less vaccinated than in other places even the vaccine is free.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2583456], the 5 mm tube in their pee holes.[/QUOTE]You know you don't have to do that right? It is an optional treatment in case the death worker wants to.

Consequentally now that more vaccinated people are getting hospitalized than non vaccinated people (due to breakthrough mutations spreading fast), the CDC figured they cannot use the pcr tests any longer. Reason being that it has a hard time differentiating between the flu and covid.

Very convenient.

In other news in Kwazulu-Natal.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2584153]Good point. I guess we should celebrate growth, even if it was a self-serving decision.[/QUOTE]I don't need your good point like when child at school.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2584313]Consequentally now that more vaccinated people are getting hospitalized than non vaccinated people (due to breakthrough mutations spreading fast), the CDC figured they cannot use the pcr tests any longer. Reason being that it has a hard time differentiating between the flu and covid.

Very convenient.

In other news in Kwazulu-Natal.[/QUOTE]Give a link from the CDC saying the Covid tests cannot differentiate between flu and covid! Or is this another one of your secret sources, such as that pharma director you met in a gay bar in Zurich?

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2584126]Fair point, if a monger is emotionally compromised, then at some point, a WG even of moderate looks, charm, and EQ simply needs to be at the right place at the right time to relieve him of his money. The club acquaintance who I know that got "fleeced" by a Sharks WG is normally strictly a 50 EUR guy. He was never hardcore, but once met this WG his visits to Sharks increased substantially. Also, the Sharks WG who "fleeced" him is not highly regarded by the "beauty connoisseurs" around here. She has many long room customers, to the extent that I may have only seen her a few times, because there aren't many opportunities for her to be pointed out to me. At least with her, there seems to be a pattern, and she is able to consistently find and convert men to be long room customers.

I suspect most of the emotionally compromised men are middle-aged. Starting from mid-30's onwards, most men if they remain single start to become more isolated. In decades past when most men were expected to marry and have families, the middle aged men were more integrated into their communities. This middle age male demographic is also at the peak of their earnings potential. Combining these two, this is probably a golden age for the WGs who enjoy hunting such men. It does not take a lot of EQ to recognize that if a monger is omnipresent at the club (and not retired), then he probably does not have many friends, family, or "normal" romantic relationships. Not saying always, but there will be a higher likelihood that such a monger is lonely. WGs can play they odds so to speak when selecting which mongers to target. [URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mystery-around-middle-age-suicides-1528948801[/URL].[/QUOTE]I like to think I am not emotionally compromised, certainly I have never been duped out of my money other than the modest tips I gave voluntarily. So, these comments describe how I imagine an emotionally compromised guy would behave; in other words, I could be totally off base.

There may be different categories of over-spenders. Some would pay normal prices but take multiple hours, multiple extras. Some could be habitually over tipping constantly.

These would constitute the vast majority of over spenders in the clubs, my guess. They are constantly leaking money, and they may also spread their money leak among a few; certainly more than one.

I don't know if I would call the above type mongers "emotionally compromised'. To me, they are not. They are also not likely to give 50 or 100 grand to a single girl in a few weeks. For one, they are constantly leaking money and their bank balances look lousy. They will also attract attention from quite a few WGs which means a single girl is not likely to dupe the dude out of large amounts; the dupers have competition.

Someone posted a recent BBC article of a dude who got fleeced out of a quarter million by a mail order bride in E Eu. He sounds like a great example of a compromised dude.

I agree with you that a middle aged, middle class unmarried dude may be the most likely prey, for the reasons you listed.

[URL]https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=603006017073090016121089091118120087031020067072039011023110028119127018120087104064002029052121121116050101028123021097089124053017086038086008087093021065093097069035069078113073103093098016104098115094025079094022103029031086024069078113026066113067&EXT=pdf&INDEX=TRUE[/URL]

I say unmarried, because statistically in the US at least, there is a large wealth disparity between married and unmarried people, especially at the higher end.

I also think the middle-class is more likely; only 10% of the wealthy in the US inherit their wealth. A self made wealthy person who worked his tail off is generally hard as nails and does not fall for the guiles of a WG as to squander hundreds of thousands. The presence of a family in their life also means they are tethered a bit more to reality and cannot drain hundreds of thousands w / o spouse noticing the missing money.

It is likely that this compromised man may look normal, does not tip too much and takes 50 E sessions but with the right girl and at the right time, may just snap and go totally berserk. Because he looks normal otherwise and not overspending on a daily basis, the Evitas of this world may focus their attention on dudes who leak money regularly, in the hundreds per day.

But then again, this is all my imagination and may be worth nothing more than fiction. Who knows! I don't make my living as a fiction writer, FWIW.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2584313]Consequentally now that more vaccinated people are getting hospitalized than non vaccinated people (due to breakthrough mutations spreading fast), the CDC figured they cannot use the pcr tests any longerl.[/QUOTE]Bullshit as usual. Any reliable sources (no Facebook, no Snapchat)?

"Chancellery Minister Helge Braun (48) only wants to allow vaccinated people in restaurants, cinemas or stadiums when the incidence is high". [URL]https://m.bild.de/politik/inland/politik-inland/helge-braun-im-bild-interview-geimpfte-werden-mehr-freiheiten-haben-77179202.bildMobile.html[/URL].

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2583456]I've never intubated so many 50 year olds for the cold or flu in my 10 years is patient care and medicine. Fortunately most did not die. I'm sure they did not enjoy the 7.5 mm tube in their pharynx and even less, the 5 mm tube in their pee holes.[/QUOTE]That sounds pretty shitty. We're any of those 50 year old's cases "breakthrough" cases or not? There's a ton of contradictory claims about breakthroughs online so I would appreciate a first hand account.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2584524]That sounds pretty shitty. We're any of those 50 year old's cases "breakthrough" cases or not? There's a ton of contradictory claims about breakthroughs online so I would appreciate a first hand account.[/QUOTE]Only my experience, but I personally have not intubated a vaccinated patient for COVID related issues in the three hospitals that I have staffed in 2021. The few vaccinated patients who acquired COVID and required ICU care only required pressurized oxygen support for a day or two but not intubation. At the moment, in my 500+ bed hospital with 40+ ICU beds, 2 COVID+ vaccinated patients are in the ICU. One is not intubated and is being treated for uncontrolled diabetes. The other is a long term nursing home patient who was initially intubated for sepsis related to a poorly treated wound and / or a urinary tract infection.

I believe official statistics support my personal experience.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2584313]Consequentally now that more vaccinated people are getting hospitalized than non vaccinated people (due to breakthrough mutations spreading fast), the CDC figured they cannot use the pcr tests any longer. Reason being that it has a hard time differentiating between the flu and covid.

Very convenient.

In other news in Kwazulu-Natal.[/QUOTE]60% of hospitalized patients in the UK are UN-vaccinated. Add the number who are not fully vaccinated and the number for fully vaccinated hospitalized patients in the UK is even less than 40%.

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/492214263305[/URL]

For the month of June, over 95% of hospitalized patients in the US were UN-vaccinated.

[QUOTE=Clodius1;2584524]That sounds pretty shitty. We're any of those 50 year old's cases "breakthrough" cases or not? There's a ton of contradictory claims about breakthroughs online so I would appreciate a first hand account.[/QUOTE]If you get an oxygen tank you can wheel it to the restroom or use a bucket. No need to get a catheter inserted.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2584124]Warning: this might happen to all of you after the 2nd or 3rd vaccine shot![/QUOTE]Just a point of information that President be. Got the Pfizer brand and Dr. F. got the Moderna brand.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2584310]You know you don't have to do that right? It is an optional treatment in case the death worker wants to.[/QUOTE]No, I don't.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2584536]60% of hospitalized patients in the UK are UN-vaccinated. Add the number who are not fully vaccinated and the number for fully vaccinated hospitalized patients in the UK is even less than 40%.

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/492214263305[/URL]

For the month of June, over 95% of hospitalized patients in the US were UN-vaccinated.[/QUOTE]OK mr. Peanutbrain. Since you seem to have a reading disability and don't understand what I am writing:

[URL]https://youtu.be/rAqVAiPXbJc[/URL]

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2584492]Bullshit as usual. Any reliable sources (no Facebook, no Snapchat)?[/QUOTE]Just posted it.

Here is the CDC link. In case people are unable to find the information themselves and needs an information expert to do it for them:

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html[/URL]

"CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. "

Does BB know what the word differentiation mean?

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2584536]60% of hospitalized patients in the UK are UN-vaccinated. Add the number who are not fully vaccinated and the number for fully vaccinated hospitalized patients in the UK is even less than 40%.

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/492214263305[/URL]

For the month of June, over 95% of hospitalized patients in the US were UN-vaccinated.[/QUOTE]So, it means many vaccinated UK are in big trouble with delta to finish in hospital? As soon I can, I go to climb.

Don't worry, it's just a flu.

"Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from COVID-19".

[URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370[/URL](21) 00324-2/ fulltext#.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2584724]"CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. "

Does BB know what the word differentiation mean?[/QUOTE]It's a recommendation to adopt more sophisticated / accurate tests, but it does not say the old test could not differentiate between covid and influenza viruses. Why do you always want to sound ridiculous? Let the CDC guidance to people that can understand it.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2584313]Consequentally now that more vaccinated people are getting hospitalized than non vaccinated people (due to breakthrough mutations spreading fast), the CDC figured they cannot use the pcr tests any longer. Reason being that it has a hard time differentiating between the flu and covid.
[/QUOTE]Really the same as?

[QUOTE=CDC]In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test. CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. Such assays can facilitate continued testing for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2 and can save both time and resources as we head into influenza season.[/QUOTE]Do you really understand what you read? There is nothing about vaccination in your CDC link and nothing about mutations. The only sentence partially correct is your last one.

You're as accurate as when you claimed that paracetamol came from tree bark.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2584853]So, it means many vaccinated UK are in big trouble with delta to finish in hospital? As soon I can, I go to climb.[/QUOTE]I think the fact of the matter is even if you are vaccinated, you aren't immune, just that your chances of getting it and spreading it are lower.

Be vaccinated all you want, if you are surrounded by unvaccinated people who are contagious you are likely going to get it, vs being around vaccinated people who are much less contagious.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2584853]So, it means many vaccinated UK are in big trouble with delta to finish in hospital? As soon I can, I go to climb.[/QUOTE]For some unknown reason the UK and Canada seem to be giving people one dose of the vaccine and then waiting until all the population gets one dose and then giving a second dose. In the USA people get their two doses on schedule.

The one dose is not going to work, as the mutant strains already are breaking through the two dose regimen and the one dose regimen does nothing.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2584864]Don't worry, it's just a flu.
[b]"Cognitive deficits [/b]in people who have recovered from COVID-19".[/QUOTE]Don't worry. The antivaxx weirdos are immune to that.

My bad, it was from 8:30 in this one:

[URL]https://youtu.be/Jv3Q74CLU1c[/URL]

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2584920]Really the same as?

Do you really understand what you read? There is nothing about vaccination in your CDC link and nothing about mutations. The only sentence partially correct is your last one.[/QUOTE]One can get brain damaged from discussing with injured people like you. It is impossible to know what you are referring to from my original post, since you never state what you are actually talking about. So I chanced on two different outcomes.

What you are responding to here is the other variable. Which I posted a link to as well.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2584719]OK mr. Peanutbrain. Since you seem to have a reading disability and don't understand what I am writing:

[URL]https://youtu.be/rAqVAiPXbJc[/URL][/QUOTE][QUOTE=Pistons;2584313]Consequentally now that more vaccinated people are getting hospitalized than non vaccinated people (due to breakthrough mutations spreading fast), the CDC figured they cannot use the pcr tests any longer. Reason being that it has a hard time differentiating between the flu and covid.[/QUOTE]Perhaps it is because English is my second language, but there is no mention of a connection of the posted link to the claim that vaxxed people are getting hospitalized more than unvaxxed.

In fact, for hospitalizations, I actually only heard the Youtuber mention the exact opposite opposite which states that vaccines provided 91% protection against serious disease in Israel's January cohort.

At 2:35 mark:

[QUOTE](In Israel,). In the January cohort 86-91 percent protection against serious disease (and hospitization).

Im predicting the protection against serious disease to be long lived.[/QUOTE]And again, over 95% of American hospitalizations are amongst the unvaxxed.

Over 60% of UK hospitalizations are amongst unvaxxed. Much of the remaining 40% is in the incompletely vaxxed.

-Mr PeanutBrain.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2584853]So, it means many vaccinated UK are in big trouble with delta to finish in hospital? As soon I can, I go to climb.[/QUOTE]No, it means the exact opposite. I've accepted the challenge.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2584896]It's a recommendation to adopt more sophisticated / accurate tests, but it does not say the old test could not differentiate between covid and influenza viruses. Why do you always want to sound ridiculous? Let the CDC guidance to people that can understand it.[/QUOTE]The clue is in the text. But I understand that you are way too bewildered to actually understand it. Of course it does not say what the old tests could not do. Only idiots would write that in their memo. How old are you? 18?

Reminds me of some of the rhetorical methods used in 1984 and in the language Newspeak. Doublethink especially.

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink[/URL]

It is apparent ahead of you what is written. Yet you are so indoctrinated that you twist it's meaning.

[QUOTE=Tvataham274;2584923]I think the fact of the matter is even if you are vaccinated, you aren't immune, just that your chances of getting it and spreading it are lower.

Be vaccinated all you want, if you are surrounded by unvaccinated people who are contagious you are likely going to get it, vs being around vaccinated people who are much less contagious.[/QUOTE]But more importantly, less likely to get hospitalized. Currently is the United States, unvaxxed is 20-33 x more likely to get hospitalized and 100 x more likely to die. Factor in that the current deaths are amongst a much younger population because the elderly are more likely to be vaxxed, those numbers seem to provide a conservative estimate of vax efficacy against serious illness.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2584534]Only my experience, but I personally have not intubated a vaccinated patient for COVID related issues in the three hospitals that I have staffed in 2021. The few vaccinated patients who acquired COVID and required ICU care only required pressurized oxygen support for a day or two but not intubation. At the moment, in my 500+ bed hospital with 40+ ICU beds, 2 COVID+ vaccinated patients are in the ICU. One is not intubated and is being treated for uncontrolled diabetes. The other is a long term nursing home patient who was initially intubated for sepsis related to a poorly treated wound and / or a urinary tract infection.

I believe official statistics support my personal experience.[/QUOTE]Anectodal update. Admitted 2 new COVID patients to the ICU today. Both intubated. Both were unvaxxed males in their early 50's. Currently, 5 intubated COVID+ patients in my ICU. 4 are unvaxxed males between 45-60. One is a vaxxed 88 year old male suffering from sepsis from a urinary tract infection and poorly treated wound. He came to us from a long term nursing facility.

Transferred out one unvaxxed COVID+ male from the ICU after a 2 day stay. He should be discharged in a day or 2.

Emergency department was overwhelmed today with less severe cases. Don't know official numbers, but vast majority were unvaxxed. Many were admitted to the non-ICU medical ward. Most were stabilized and sent home with antibiotics, steroid, and albuterol prescriptions.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2584920]Really the same as?

Do you really understand what you read? There is nothing about vaccination in your CDC link and nothing about mutations. The only sentence partially correct is your last one.

You're as accurate as when you claimed that paracetamol came from tree bark.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure he knows. Just posting fools errand links in order to save face.

It's clear, that the anti-every intervention covid camp are just grasping desperately at straws.

Is not going away and me thinks it was all planned. In approximately 1492 it was estimated that there was 115 million natives about South America. By 1525 it is estimated there was only 6 to 8,000,000 natives in South America. Reason why? Viruses. The vaccines are going to fail. We all know they're not going to work. We also know Cove it was man-made and engineered to do exactly what it's doing. Create different variants and strains and continue moving and circulating through the population. It will continue to become more virulent and contagious. You can be assured of that. And if the theories that I've been reading are correct the vaccine was actually designed to open pathways into your bodies immune system for a future variance that will surely come. They already know the vaccines are failing and yet they are continuing to push at a frantic pace that we all get the vaccine immediately. It defies common logic.

CCP thugs either intentionally or at least accidentally leaked this virus and caused a massive genocide. That is the only possible read when these thugs deny every single investigative path.

The CCP apologists on this forum may dispute it but the rest of the civilized world is converging onto that sad conclusion.

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/25/who-china-investigation-covid-probe-500711[/URL]

"And experts told POLITICO that the denial of access to Wuhan, the original epicenter of the virus outbreak, deepens growing suspicion the Chinese government is attempting to cover up the possibility that the virus was intentionally engineered. "

"We have had already two coronavirus pandemics come out of China and it's more likely than not that we will have another coronavirus pandemic come out of China, so (a China-based probe) is our best chance to get our hands around how this gets out of bats and into humans," said Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston. "We can't do this without going to China. There is no way you can get to the bottom of this from 5000 miles away. "

"I think what (WHO) asked was perfectly reasonable, " said Osterholm, who argued that China's rejection of the probe will fuel conspiratorial speculation about how the virus emerged in China. "It makes people suspect this is a manmade virus with an intentional release. "

"Chris Beyrer, Desmond M. Tutu professor of public health and human rights at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, called China's rejection of the probe "very problematic. "

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2584984]No, it means the exact opposite. I've accepted the challenge.[/QUOTE]Many many vaccinated UK are positive to delta. Just facts. I will wait wishing not to go for nothing on 2. Truth will talk.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2584984]No, it means the exact opposite. I've accepted the challenge.[/QUOTE]Don't hold your breath. The excuses have started a while ago. "it was raining", "I had a tummy ache". Next will be "a dog ate my read derailleur".

[QUOTE=Pistons;2584958]My bad, it was from 8:30 in this one:

[URL]https://youtu.be/Jv3Q74CLU1c[/URL][/QUOTE]In your YouTube link:

[QUOTE]Whilst the figures look worrying, it’s important to highlight that vaccines have massively reduced severe infections and post-vaccination COVID is a much milder disease for most people.[/QUOTE]Are you able to read the comments past the first line? Do you realize that you're constantly embarrassing yourself?

The devil is in the details. As always, and the pro vaxxers only look at fake news stories benefitting their own cause. And then they spin it.

For example, this was from the first wave last year:

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/07/coronavirus-is-infecting-killing-black-americans-an-alarmingly-high-rate-post-analysis-shows/[/URL]

A Post analysis of available data and census demographics shows that counties that are majority-black have three times the rate of infections and almost six times the rate of deaths as counties where white residents are in the majority.

And here we see who are not being vaccinated:

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/06/27/why-black-americans-arent-being-vaccinated/[/URL]

Also fat people are not being vaccinated:

[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/czech-republic-obesity-is-big-factor-in-fight-against-covid-19/a-57188697[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/prevalence-maps.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker[/URL]

I see a clear synergi between being obese and also not being vaccinated based on macro numbers.

Don't know why. I just can't get covid, no matter how hard I tried. I never take the vaccine. I guess covid just don't like me. Come on covid, infect me.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2584985]The clue is in the text. But I understand that you are way too bewildered to actually understand it. Of course it does not say what the old tests could not do. Only idiots would write that in their memo. How old are you? 18?

Reminds me of some of the rhetorical methods used in 1984 and in the language Newspeak. Doublethink especially.

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink[/URL]

It is apparent ahead of you what is written. Yet you are so indoctrinated that you twist it's meaning.[/QUOTE]You are beyond help, my friend. I only hope you are just acting dumb. If you are not, people will realize how gullible you are and will take advantage of you in all the ways they can. However, if you choose to stay afraid of all types of conspiracy theories, be my guest! You are the bread and butter of ridiculous groups like QAnon. (By the way, Q seems to have stopped posting his bullshit and I bet he's in hospital with Covid).

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2585064]Don't hold your breath. The excuses have started a while ago. "it was raining", "I had a tummy ache". Next will be "a dog ate my read derailleur".[/QUOTE]Impossible. Dogs have better tastes.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/27/health/cdc-masks-indoors-delta-variant.html?partner=bloomberg[/URL]

And.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cdc-plans-another-update-federal-mask-guidance[/URL]

Well, how long did your relative 'freedom' last? Two months? Three months? Summer isn't over yet (in Europe ummer never started, because of the shit weather, LOL!) and already the corrupt Dr Fauci is reversing the 'freedoms' for vaxxed people. Soon you will be on par again with the unvaxxed, ready for the next round of lockdowns and 'vaccines. '.

Tik-tok-tik-tok-tik-tok, the countdown is in full swing for the next round of useless lockdown, useless vaccines, and useless mask mandates in Germany.

When will dumb people stop believing lying politicians? Probably never, LOL!

At Pistons, your inbox is full.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2585099]Don't know why. I just can't get covid, no matter how hard I tried. I never take the vaccine. I guess covid just don't like me. Come on covid, infect me.[/QUOTE]I wonder how did you know it?? Are you in constant contact with those who have been infected with COVID19?? With Did you test yourself regularly. If you do not have the symptoms it does not not necessary mean you do not get infected with COVID.

It seems that you are super human that have got immunity that no one else have got it. Good for you.

I think you could extend your belief by doing BB on having sex with WGs and see whether you are still immune to HIV or any other STDs??

[QUOTE=Pistons;2585095]I see a clear synergi between being obese and also not being vaccinated based on macro numbers.[/QUOTE]I'm going to help you since you can't differentiate basic concepts like correlation and causality.

There is very probably an omitted variable: poverty.

LeMonde, a very serious french newspaper, created a 'fucked up correlation' generator: [URL]https://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/article/2019/01/02/correlation-ou-causalite-brillez-en-societe-avec-notre-generateur-aleatoire-de-comparaisons-absurdes_5404286_4355770.html[/URL].

For exemple, total expenses for the military in the USA are strongly correlated to the total forest surface in Croatia.

It doesn't mean that everytime a tree grows in Croatia, US army buys a new automatic rifle.

Bouthan total debt is strongly correlated to the number of newborns called Zeynep in France. It doesn't mean that every Zeynep kid takes money from the Bouthan.

Got it?

And yet Norwegians are scared of the virus. Did you know your country kept its borders closed with widespread public support?

What's wrong with them?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2585095]The devil is in the details. As always, and the pro vaxxers only look at fake news stories benefitting their own cause. And then they spin it.

For example, this was from the first wave last year:

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/07/coronavirus-is-infecting-killing-black-americans-an-alarmingly-high-rate-post-analysis-shows/[/URL]

A Post analysis of available data and census demographics shows that counties that are majority-black have three times the rate of infections and almost six times the rate of deaths as counties where white residents are in the majority.

And here we see who are not being vaccinated:

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/06/27/why-black-americans-arent-being-vaccinated/[/URL].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2585064]Don't hold your breath. The excuses have started a while ago. "it was raining", "I had a tummy ache". Next will be "a dog ate my read derailleur".[/QUOTE]Don't even hope about, when I was never sick for so long, nothing about covid when got tested many times, when I gave up under rain on 3 July leaving Iseran for Globe and again on 14 July and crashing with car after, only me and I really hate new electronic quattro, so I prepared my old beloved Audi, moved bicycle from crashed quattro to reliable old without quattro and I will be ready for my best day of the year on next week, after I should decide versus expert to rebuild for more than 20 000 € bad quattro which tried to kill me, and I'm pretty sure nobody will be on the field on 2 October, when I will have so many climbings since then, for a great sporty Summer, like every year, even much more complicated on this year.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2585390]...crashing with car...[/QUOTE]How can such an amazing driver crash the car?

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2585406]How can such an amazing driver crash the car?[/QUOTE]Not my first crash and I rebuilt twice my legendary RS500 Cosworth versus experts and now she belongs to a collection made by a passionate guy. Wish Audi will follow me for risk, versus expert, when I protected her, not crashing from front to protect new engine, but turning to crash on my side. Everybody asked me if I was fine, I just did care about her damages, when I didn't feel mine. This delayed my sport and also bad weather, when Cavendish was crying under rain up to Tignes Iseran on 4 July. I laughed when NL without ears thought she won on Olympics, so funny lost robot without ears. At least I decide on my own, when I climb, or as I say to expert: for my car, being the owner.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2585293]I wonder how did you know it?? Are you in constant contact with those who have been infected with COVID19?? With Did you test yourself regularly. If you do not have the symptoms it does not not necessary mean you do not get infected with COVID.

It seems that you are super human that have got immunity that no one else have got it. Good for you.[/QUOTE]I just take vitamin D3 and 3 MG of ivermectin once every three days. No need to take a vaccine based on failed gene therapy technology.

Interesting that is like the TV series starring Keiffer S. "Designated Survivor" one of the episodes there was a pandemic virus that only infected dark skinned people.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2585095]The devil is in the details. As always, and the pro vaxxers only look at fake news stories benefitting their own cause. And then they spin it.

For example, this was from the first wave last year:

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/07/coronavirus-is-infecting-killing-black-americans-an-alarmingly-high-rate-post-analysis-shows/[/URL]

A Post analysis of available data and census demographics shows that counties that are majority-black have three times the rate of infections and almost six times the rate of deaths as counties where white residents are in the majority.

And here we see who are not being vaccinated:

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/06/27/why-black-americans-arent-being-vaccinated/[/URL].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2585420]Not my first crash.[/QUOTE]Good drivers tend to be able to keep the car under control, they don't crash repeatedly. So there goes the bragging about the amazing driving skills.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2585062]Many many vaccinated UK are positive to delta. Just facts. I will wait wishing not to go for nothing on 2. Truth will talk.[/QUOTE]Yes many are positive. So few are very sick. Money talks more.

Good news. Ivermectin is trending at $168 per kilo. May be time to double the dose. There are numerous people with various doctoral degrees online to advise the proper dose for your area. Would not want to trust a medical doctor, because they have a financial stake in keeping you sick.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2585480]Yes many are positive.[/QUOTE]Oh so you finally admit it. Sing it with me. Do you believe in evolutcionnnn, yeahhh we all want to fuck the wwworld.

With the immune escape. Taking the vaccine is irresponsible. Old people don't give a shit about the younger generation.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2585432]I just take vitamin D3 and 3 MG of ivermectin once every three days. No need to take a vaccine based on failed gene therapy technology.[/QUOTE]Very bright. So you are taking some medicine despite the fact that you are not sick and without knowing the side effects. So long for big pharma.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2585087]In your YouTube link:

Are you able to read the comments past the first line? Do you realize that you're constantly embarrassing yourself?[/QUOTE]You don't even know the difference between scientific data and political assumptions in order to be allowed to keep his job. How old are you?

[QUOTE=RockyV;2585152]You are beyond help, my friend. I only hope you are just acting dumb. If you are not, people will realize how gullible you are and will take advantage of you in all the ways they can. However, if you choose to stay afraid of all types of conspiracy theories, be my guest! You are the bread and butter of ridiculous groups like QAnon. (By the way, Q seems to have stopped posting his bullshit and I bet he's in hospital with Covid).[/QUOTE]I thought he was John McAfee. But I never read his stuff. I make my own theories if I need to. Though mostly I just write facts.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2585334]Got it?[/QUOTE]I get the fact that you make your own correlations based on other peoples fake ideas. Thus turning you into a beta. I stand by my own factual causations.

[QUOTE=Ararat;2585351]And yet Norwegians are scared of the virus. Did you know your country kept its borders closed with widespread public support?

What's wrong with them?[/QUOTE]You are as dumb as one gets. I was the first one to tell people to lock down Norway. Cause I knew it was a gain of function created virus in a lab in Wuhan from the beginning. And set loose for a purpose.

And you are just a nobody.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2585450]Interesting that is like the TV series starring Keiffer S. "Designated Survivor" one of the episodes there was a pandemic virus that only infected dark skinned people.[/QUOTE]The statistics doesn't seem to hold when in Africa. So my theory is that it is related to vitamin the. And that Africans living in Europe and north America is too much indoors perhaps. Not getting the same amount of sunlight as they were used to. Environmental inflictions on genetics takes a helluva lot of time to change. Like the Chinese trying to move up to Tibet only to realize the Tibetans are in fact different. Needing less oxygen. Away goes the idea of everyone being Chinese.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2585099]Don't know why. I just can't get covid, no matter how hard I tried. I never take the vaccine. I guess covid just don't like me. Come on covid, infect me.[/QUOTE]Same here. I socialise with friends, family and colleagues who have a similar mindset (we think it's bullshit) about masks, lockdowns and social distancing, and none of us caught anything. I spend as much time as possible with other people, never pay much attention to "social distancing," and I stopped using this stupid hand gels a long time ago, yet somehow neither my friends nor I don't get sick or die. How strange. LOL!

Actually, I wouldn't mind catching it, because then I can use this status as "healed" instead of those worthless tests.

"Covid19" the disease so 'deadly' that you need a test to see if you've got it, and the vaccines" are so 'safe' that people need to be blackmailed into taking them. That about sums up this Scamdemic, and it says a lot about the low IQ of the people who still (18 months later) haven't figured this out yet.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2585293]I wonder how did you know it?? Are you in constant contact with those who have been infected with COVID19?? With Did you test yourself regularly. If you do not have the symptoms it does not not necessary mean you do not get infected with COVID.

It seems that you are super human that have got immunity that no one else have got it. Good for you.[/QUOTE]How does he know it? Maybe because he doesn't get seriously sick? My God, how stupid and brainwashed some people are!

CONvid19 is obviously so 'dangerous' that you need a test to see if you've even got it, why can't you understand that?!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2585480]Yes many are positive. So few are very sick. Money talks more.[/QUOTE]But they get and can give, what is happening. Can be same and spreading in brothels. Honor, pride and looking in mirror worth much more than your 1000 for me, when I climb every year for my holidays for my passion which give me pleasure.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2585460]Good drivers tend to be able to keep the car under control, they don't crash repeatedly. So there goes the bragging about the amazing driving skills.[/QUOTE]Before this crash, driving around 90000 kms yearly since 15 years, and used to often speed as fast cars can go, I was ranked on lowest rate by French insurances and despite this crash which will cost car value for my insurance, not the faintest problem with them. I may also have to pay if repairing cost more than car value, when everything is very expensive with Audi, front led light is more than 2000 € to change, when I had only problems with this car since I bought, I needed 1 year to prove to make them change engine, 15000 €, then electronics problems, maybe because made in China, and big problem with quattro working on rear wheels, but fighting to save versus insurance expert and even Audi telling me it don t worth, maybe because after engine, I want to prove to Audi, there was problem about quattro. Hard deal since 2 weeks but interesting. Reminding me on 1994 and 1999 , but on second, I did brake hard not to crash in front of me and then arriving behind me crashed in my back destroying RS500 Cosworth and versus expert opinion, we rebuilt with race techniques, improving car. Like for my job where I m paid to make or take risks others are not able to do.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2585062]Many many vaccinated UK are positive to delta. Just facts. I will wait wishing not to go for nothing on 2. Truth will talk.[/QUOTE]Yes but I made a mistake too when I was saying that vaccines are not that efficient, in fact they seem very efficient against the serious cases and second they are able to stop the spread of a new wave it is at least what the last data from UK are demonstrating.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2585558]But they get and can give, what is happening. Can be same and spreading in brothels. Honor, pride and looking in mirror worth much more than your 1000 for me, when I climb every year for my holidays for my passion which give me pleasure.[/QUOTE]At this moment, it is the problem of the people who don't want to take vaccine and take the risk. And people without vaccine can give more easily. Time for normal life for people who choose to have normal life with vaccine. I like money.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2585515]Oh so you finally admit it. Sing it with me. Do you believe in evolutcionnnn, yeahhh we all want to fuck the wwworld.

With the immune escape. Taking the vaccine is irresponsible. Old people don't give a shit about the younger generation.[/QUOTE]Not sure why the word "finally" was used. Vaccines don't prevent people from catching anything. It just gives the body the training to mount a quick response before severe symptoms arise. Nothing new here.

No vaccine is 100% effective. This one may show more escape just because it does not benefit from having so many in the population exposed over prior years. But by your logic, all vaccines are irresponsible.

By your logic, you should have the.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2585550]Same here. I socialise with friends, family and colleagues who have a similar mindset (we think it's bullshit) about masks, lockdowns and social distancing, and none of us caught anything. I spend as much time as possible with other people, never pay much attention to "social distancing," and I stopped using this stupid hand gels a long time ago, yet somehow neither my friends nor I don't get sick or die. How strange. LOL!

Actually, I wouldn't mind catching it, because then I can use this status as "healed" instead of those worthless tests.

"Covid19" the disease so 'deadly' that you need a test to see if you've got it, and the vaccines" are so 'safe' that people need to be blackmailed into taking them. That about sums up this Scamdemic, and it says a lot about the low IQ of the people who still (18 months later) haven't figured this out yet.[/QUOTE]You get do an antibody test which will show if you have had covid in the past.

The antigen and pcr tests for current covid.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2585617]Yes but I made a mistake too when I was saying that vaccines are not that efficient, in fact they seem very efficient against the serious cases and second they are able to stop the spread of a new wave it is at least what the last data from UK are demonstrating.[/QUOTE]This is such funny shit: how do you know that those very same cases would have developed into more serious cases if those people weren't vaccinated?

With that same 'logic' perhaps you can also explain that many car accidents "would have been much more serious" if the driver didn't carry a picture of Maria or Madonna in their wallet!

It's pure superstition, but somehow very appropriate for the 3rd world mentality that keeps on falling for the same lies from politicians.

Here is something for all you "I believe in the science" suckers out there: it's a montage of Anthony FauXi's contradictory statements and lies [URL]https://www.air.tv/watch?v=74mPVRGqTL-zHGt4lvR1Dg[/URL].

And you still believe him?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2585533]The statistics doesn't seem to hold when in Africa. So my theory is that it is related to vitamin the. And that Africans living in Europe and north America is too much indoors perhaps. Not getting the same amount of sunlight as they were used to.[/QUOTE]Or it's because the median age in Africa is only 20 years old.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2585617]Yes but I made a mistake too when I was saying that vaccines are not that efficient, in fact they seem very efficient against the serious cases and second they are able to stop the spread of a new wave it is at least what the last data from UK are demonstrating.[/QUOTE]No spreading in UK? With so many new cases. After sending UK and delta mutants to EU, now they tell to protect from EU about south African mutant. UK say good game only when they win.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2585532]You are as dumb as one gets. I was the first one to tell people to lock down Norway. Cause I knew it was a gain of function created virus in a lab in Wuhan from the beginning. And set loose for a purpose.

And you are just a nobody.[/QUOTE]So you confirm you're afraid of the virus? A couple other crazies have indicated they don't care about the virus but are panicking about the vaccine.

You are scared of both.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2585550]and I stopped using this stupid hand gels a long time ago, yet somehow neither my friends nor I don't get sick or die. How strange. LOL![/QUOTE]Some of the E substances in these hand gels and antibacs cause infertility. So good for you. After I started researching this I've just started faking it when I'm supposed to use it also. I believe it is a planned part of the big culling. A2030.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2585553]CONvid19 is obviously so 'dangerous' that you need a test to see if you've even got it, why can't you understand that?![/QUOTE]A test which according to cdc is having a hard time differentiating between the flu and covid. Geez what useless people. About as useless as bigb and our nurse here. Ape level. In a few years when Musk gets his chip up and running we can fire these clueless laboreres and here a bunch of apes instead!

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2585617]Yes but I made a mistake too when I was saying that vaccines are not that efficient, in fact they seem very efficient against the serious cases and second they are able to stop the spread of a new wave it is at least what the last data from UK are demonstrating.[/QUOTE]It is easy to fake data on a pc.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2585522]Very bright. So you are taking some medicine despite the fact that you are not sick and without knowing the side effects. So long for big pharma.[/QUOTE]3 MG Ivermectin once every 3 days is as safe as a baby aspirin. Ivermectin is exceptional with preventing COVID, better than the vaccine.

It also work as a treatment for COVID as well. Mr Murse will disagree with me but what is the risk and reward. The risk is low (baby aspirin), if it work, the reward is high. If Murse is right, I'm taking something that is as safe as a baby aspirin.

The vaccine on the other hand is based on a fail gene therapy technology. No one know the longer term side effect of the vaccine. It also fuck over your innate immunity. Put an evolutionary force to create mutation that will fuck over younger people.

Moderna and biontech LNP formulation failed at gene therapy. There is one company, Intellia. They seem to come up with a LNP formula that work. However, they got good result on six patients. That is right just 6 people and their stock go up the sky. What did they do next. Dilute their stock and try to recruit people to work on safer gene therapy technology. I don't know if they are dumping more money in LNP. But they are trying to steal talent from other company with safer gene therapy tech.

[URL]https://www.intelliatx.com/full-spectrum-approach/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2585657]Not sure why the word "finally" was used. Vaccines don't prevent people from catching anything. It just gives the body the training to mount a quick response before severe symptoms arise. Nothing new here.

No vaccine is 100% effective. This one may show more escape just because it does not benefit from having so many in the population exposed over prior years. But by your logic, all vaccines are irresponsible.

By your logic, you should have the.[/QUOTE]Covid has reduced average life expectancy by over 2 years. This will have a side effect of helping the financial condition of the social security and retirement plans. Since if people live too long, then these funds will go bankrupt.

Anyone know what going one in Slovakia and Czech Republic? Seem like they have no issue with covid.

I know they approve ivermectin for covid a while ago, maybe in March. I imagine that their vaccination rate is lower than UK and US.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2585719]This is such funny shit: how do you know that those very same cases would have developed into more serious cases if those people weren't vaccinated?

With that same 'logic' perhaps you can also explain that many car accidents "would have been much more serious" if the driver didn't carry a picture of Maria or Madonna in their wallet!

It's pure superstition, but somehow very appropriate for the 3rd world mentality that keeps on falling for the same lies from politicians.

Here is something for all you "I believe in the science" suckers out there: it's a montage of Anthony FauXi's contradictory statements and lies [URL]https://www.air.tv/watch?v=74mPVRGqTL-zHGt4lvR1Dg[/URL].

And you still believe him?[/QUOTE]Facci is such a clown. I do wish that I can laugh, but it is not funny. While I never deal with Facci himself, I did deal with his people a very long time ago. I found that they have zero interest in a vaccine for HIV. They was funding me to do work for the sake of just doing work. It was pointless. In my grant application, the more BS I put in there, shit that I know will lead away from a vaccine, the more likely I will get their innovation grant. WTF. I have to lie and then use the money to do some real work on a HIV vaccine. That is how Mr Fauccci run thing.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2585656]At this moment, it is the problem of the people who don't want to take vaccine and take the risk. And people without vaccine can give more easily. Time for normal life for people who choose to have normal life with vaccine. I like money.[/QUOTE]Nobody love freedom like me and even really bad start since 2 months, but on next week I will make all my best to make my Summer great, through my mountains, my land like wolf, despite very average weather on this Summer. Black and yellow shoulder just impress girls but no problem to turn legs. After freedom, I like so much truth and honesty and pretty sure no else than me will be on 2 October.

Despite massive vaccination, under delta spreading now, seem masks are back in US. Vaccine is not efficient enough?

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2585656]At this moment, it is the problem of the people who don't want to take vaccine and take the risk. And people without vaccine can give more easily. Time for normal life for people who choose to have normal life with vaccine. I like money.[/QUOTE]More propaganda without any facts and numbers. In Israel, one of the most vaxxed countries in the world, reality it's about 50-50.

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccinated-people-account-for-half-of-new-covid-19-delta-cases-in-israeli-outbreak-11624624326[/URL]

[QUOTE]TEL AVIV—About half of adults infected in an outbreak of the Delta variant of Covid-19 in Israel were fully inoculated with the Pfizer Inc. vaccine, prompting the government to reimpose an indoor mask requirement and other measures to contain the highly transmissible strain.[/QUOTE]Just like lockdowns and masks, the vaxxing 'strategy' has massively backfired and failed, and more and more people are beginning to take notice of the scam.

[QUOTE]Montage: Fauci Gives Every Possible Answer on Masks and Covid [/QUOTE][URL]https://www.air.tv/watch?v=74mPVRGqTL-zHGt4lvR1Dg[/URL]

Adults with an IQ above room temperature still believe that Italian Midget? LOL!

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2585812]Anyone know what going one in Slovakia and Czech Republic? Seem like they have no issue with covid.

I know they approve ivermectin for covid a while ago, maybe in March. I imagine that their vaccination rate is lower than UK and US.[/QUOTE]They did very well indeed.

[URL]https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Excess_mortality_-_statistics[/URL]#Excess_mortality_in_the_European_Union_between_January_2020_and_May_2021.

Excess mortality rates reaching 75 % in November 2020 for the Czech Republic, in January 2021 for Slovakia, just a flu.

Do you even try to find relevant information from reliable sources before you post?

I find some article about ivermectin used against Covid-19.

It seems efficient. For golden hamsters.

[URL]https://gulhanemedicaljournal.org/2021/07/16/has-the-institut-pasteur-confirmed-the-efficacy-of-ivermectin/[/URL]

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2585812]Anyone know what going one in Slovakia and Czech Republic? Seem like they have no issue with covid.

I know they approve ivermectin for covid a while ago, maybe in March. I imagine that their vaccination rate is lower than UK and US.[/QUOTE]I just know that I had a stop in Moravia on the way and it was very relaxed compared to facist Vienna.

It's funny speaking to local Germans here in the clubs. Some like to ask of it is true that we really had many deaths in America and if the people in the hospital were all already unhealthy before Covid. I tell them the truth that there are not many deaths anymore, and for a many months, it has been that way. But in January it was very, very bad. I tell them that it is true that most of the very sick covid patients were already a little unhealthy but not so different than the average 60 year old man I see in the clubs. It seems that even presenting the most authentic description possible, some seemed dissatisfied with any report short of.

"Everyone in the hospital was old and fat and everything was fake."

But they did not protest, just became quiet with a look of disappointment with me not confirming their beliefs.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2585812]Anyone know what going one in Slovakia and Czech Republic? Seem like they have no issue with covid.

I know they approve ivermectin for covid a while ago, maybe in March. I imagine that their vaccination rate is lower than UK and US.[/QUOTE]Do you sell ivermectin, mate? It sounds like you do and that your boss gave you hard sale targets to meet. Hope you will smash your sale targets!

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2585812]Anyone know what going one in Slovakia and Czech Republic? Seem like they have no issue with covid.

I know they approve ivermectin for covid a while ago, maybe in March. I imagine that their vaccination rate is lower than UK and US.[/QUOTE]Please stop with your ivermectin, probably it can be useful in some cases but for sure will not allow you to travel in Europe or to book a hotel. In Slovakia without vaccination it is even difficult to enter the country. I wrote several times on this forum, now in Europe to be free to travel you need to be vaccinated, that it is why I took my 2 shots of Pfizer, for example in Austria without a test or a proof of vaccination you can t seat in any restaurant, even outside in the terrace.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2585941]They did very well indeed.

[URL]https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Excess_mortality_-_statistics[/URL]#Excess_mortality_in_the_European_Union_between_January_2020_and_May_2021.

Excess mortality rates reaching 75 % in November 2020 for the Czech Republic, in January 2021 for Slovakia, just a flu.

Do you even try to find relevant information from reliable sources before you post?

I find some article about ivermectin used against Covid-19.

It seems efficient. For golden hamsters.[/QUOTE]What, they approve ivermectin in March 2021. Seem like they are doing better than the rest of the EU since.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2586021]Do you sell ivermectin, mate? It sounds like you do and that your boss gave you hard sale targets to meet. Hope you will smash your sale targets![/QUOTE]Yeah mate. I'm spending 0.40 $ every three days on ivermectin. That is a ton of money compare to the failed gene therapy vaccine. Buy some ivermectin from me and I can afford almost half of a candy bar.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2586074]Please stop with your ivermectin, probably it can be useful in some cases but for sure will not allow you to travel in Europe or to book a hotel. In Slovakia without vaccination it is even difficult to enter the country. I wrote several times on this forum, now in Europe to be free to travel you need to be vaccinated, that it is why I took my 2 shots of Pfizer, for example in Austria without a test or a proof of vaccination you can t seat in any restaurant, even outside in the terrace.[/QUOTE]Yeah. If I have to take the vaccine to travel, I would dose myself with methylprednisolone to protect my innate immunity. Not sure if it will work. But there is no reason to travel right now.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2585993]It's funny speaking to local Germans here in the clubs. Some like to ask of it is true that we really had many deaths in America and if the people in the hospital were all already unhealthy before Covid. I tell them the truth that there are not many deaths anymore, and for a many months, it has been that way. But in January it was very, very bad. I tell them that it is true that most of the very sick covid patients were already a little unhealthy but not so different than the average 60 year old man I see in the clubs. It seems that even presenting the most authentic description possible, some seemed dissatisfied with any report short of.

"Everyone in the hospital was old and fat and everything was fake."

But they did not protest, just became quiet with a look of disappointment with me not confirming their beliefs.[/QUOTE]Lmfao, if anyone believes that BS I feel sorry for them. I will be honest enough to say that 7 out of 10 that dies with COVID are over 80 years.

1 out of 10 are under 70 years old.

That even though 85% of the Swedish population are under 70 years. For those of us who cares about facts and can do some first grade math it's obvious COVID is nothing more than a flu on steroids. It's nothing like Ebola.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2586099]Yeah mate. I'm spending 0.40 $ every three days on ivermectin. That is a ton of money compare to the failed gene therapy vaccine. Buy some ivermectin from me and I can afford almost half of a candy bar.[/QUOTE]Oh sweetie, just because something is cheap, it doesn't mean the profit margins are small. You sound so innocent and cute! Please, keep using a medication for parasitic worms and lice to prevent or treat a respiratory virus. Good choice!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2585747]It is easy to fake data on a pc.[/QUOTE]I'm surprised some seem to believe so much all what is written on internet, when so many fakes.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2586109]Lmfao, if anyone believes that BS I feel sorry for them. I will be honest enough to say that 7 out of 10 that dies with COVID are over 80 years.

1 out of 10 are under 70 years old.

That even though 85% of the Swedish population are under 70 years. For those of us who cares about facts and can do some first grade math it's obvious COVID is nothing more than a flu on steroids. It's nothing like Ebola.[/QUOTE]I think we have a huge problem with marijuana smokers in the USA and this has caused a lot of covid deaths due to the smoke, as well as regular cigarette and vaping smokers.

Then the huge obesity problem in the USA and lack of exercise and in NYC the packing of people like sardines on a subway system where nobody drives their own car.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2586104]Yeah. If I have to take the vaccine to travel, I would dose myself with methylprednisolone to protect my innate immunity. Not sure if it will work. But there is no reason to travel right now.[/QUOTE]The methylprednisone will lower testosterone and cause acne I would not recommend taking it unless in the hospital.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2585896]Nobody love freedom like me and even really bad start since 2 months, but on next week I will make all my best to make my Summer great, through my mountains, my land like wolf, despite very average weather on this Summer. Black and yellow shoulder just impress girls but no problem to turn legs. After freedom, I like so much truth and honesty and pretty sure no else than me will be on 2 October.[/QUOTE]Yes will only be you because to scared to put up euros.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2586165]The methylprednisone will lower testosterone and cause acne I would not recommend taking it unless in the hospital.[/QUOTE]I highly doubt that thing will get back to normal if 100% of the people take the vaccine. I'm waiting to see.

However, if I feel forced to take a vaccine, I will take methylprednisone for 1 or 2 weeks to protect myself from the vaccine. I'm not a medical doctor. However, the side effect of lower testosterone and acne for 2 weeks is a small price to pay to protect myself from the vaccine.

Thank for the advice and head up.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2586165]The methylprednisone will lower testosterone and cause acne I would not recommend taking it unless in the hospital.[/QUOTE]Also, I'm well aware of the protocol of taping down by 4 MG everyday until 0 MG. Any other advice?

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2586181]Yes will only be you because to scared to put up euros.[/QUOTE]I was fully sure. I never saw any follower behind me on my climbings, when I climb for pride, self image, self esteem, I don t need money carrot, when I miss so much since more than 1 month I should have started, but on next week, I will try to make my best day of the year.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2586239]I was fully sure. I never saw any follower behind me on my climbings, when I climb for pride, self image, self esteem, I don t need money carrot, when I miss so much since more than 1 month I should have started, but on next week, I will try to make my best day of the year.[/QUOTE]The money carrot is for me. The fear of losing money and ego is yours.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2586109]It's nothing like Ebola.[/QUOTE]No shit Sherlock.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2586263]The money carrot is for me. The fear of losing money and ego is yours.[/QUOTE]No fear of nobody on the field and it won't change my Summer. I make every year my Summer tour since I decided on 2003 and I will try my best to enjoy again. Follow your passion as written in Mazzo at the bottom of Mortirolo.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2586099]Yeah mate. I'm spending 0.40 $ every three days on ivermectin. That is a ton of money compare to the failed gene therapy vaccine. Buy some ivermectin from me and I can afford almost half of a candy bar.[/QUOTE]Be careful how much you chug: "For Professor François Lemoine, it is too early to organize a clinical trial on Covid patients. This poses an ethical problem: Ivermectin can cause serious side effects, including liver dysfunction."

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2586109]Lmfao, if anyone believes that BS I feel sorry for them. I will be honest enough to say that 7 out of 10 that dies with COVID are over 80 years.

1 out of 10 are under 70 years old.

That even though 85% of the Swedish population are under 70 years. For those of us who cares about facts and can do some first grade math it's obvious COVID is nothing more than a flu on steroids. It's nothing like Ebola.[/QUOTE]What's true: Age greatly correlates with greater mortality with covid 19, the elderly are much more likely to suffer severe illness if not vaccinated.

What's not: all the other "statistics" here. Except maybe the Swedish age. Don't give enough a shit to confirm.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2586021]Do you sell ivermectin, mate? It sounds like you do and that your boss gave you hard sale targets to meet. Hope you will smash your sale targets![/QUOTE]Do you and you CCP forum comrades sell vaccines, masks and lockdowns instead of natural immunity? LOL!

In Israel, one of the most vaxxed countries in the world, 50% of Delta "cases" are vaxxed:

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccinated-people-account-for-half-of-new-covid-19-delta-cases-in-israeli-outbreak-11624624326[/URL]

Just like lockdowns and masks, the vaxxing 'strategy' has completely failed, and more and more people are beginning to take notice of the scam.

By looking at data, death rate is going down significantly in UK where they are doing national test on covid without restriction, I would say like all the virus get weaker as it transform themselves into new variants, covid virus has transformed themselves to weaker virus as they evolved into new variants and it is 4th or 5th wave in most nations, so I would say the pandemic will be over next year with covid new variant become so weaken virus that it won't kill you any longer! And we mongers will be back to our treatment for our Cuban missile crisis between our leg LOL!

[URL]https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1420972977005412354?s=20[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/health/covid-cdc-delta-masks.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes[/URL]

[QUOTE]Breaking News: The Delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox and may be spread by vaccinated people as easily as the unvaccinated, an internal C.D.C. report said.[/QUOTE]See? This is what most people with an IQ 100 have been predicting for 18 months. Corona viruses mutate too quickly for a vaccine to be developed. Global vaccine rollouts take way too long.

The "vaccines" to a large extent just as useful as your own body's immune system, but all the dumb fucks who have taken part in a huge experiment with a largely untested "vaccine" that only has an Emergency Use Authorization have only themselves to blame if they develop serious side effects in a few years.

Expect more CCP lockdowns fascism and mask insanity on the menu for autumn 2021 until spring 2022, waiting for the next "vaccine!

[QUOTE]"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result." - Albert Einstein[/QUOTE][QUOTE]"When you find yourself in a hole: stop digging!" - the Law of holes [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]"The money is in the treatment, not in the cure" - the Motto of Big Pharma[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2586453][URL]https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1420972977005412354?s=20[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/health/covid-cdc-delta-masks.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes[/URL]

See? This is what most people with an IQ 100 have been predicting for 18 months. Corona viruses mutate too quickly for a vaccine to be developed. Global vaccine rollouts take way too long.
[/QUOTE]People with an IQ of 100 usually start by reading the first lines.

[QUOTE]Infections in vaccinated Americans are rare, compared with those in unvaccinated people, the document said.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrHo;2586438]By looking at data, death rate is going down significantly in UK where they are doing national test on covid without restriction, I would say like all the virus get weaker as it transform themselves into new variants, covid virus has transformed themselves to weaker virus as they evolved into new variants and it is 4th or 5th wave in most nations, so I would say the pandemic will be over next year with covid new variant become so weaken virus that it won't kill you any longer! And we mongers will be back to our treatment for our Cuban missile crisis between our leg LOL![/QUOTE]You are 100% correct. Over time, evolutionary pressure favor more infectious but less pathogenic. Less pathogenic is more "fit" because the virus is less likely to be detected. This might be what we are seeing with Delta.

The vaccine is a big monkey wrench. Virus will be more infectious. However, vaccine destroy innate immunity against future variants in the vaccinated person. It also create variants that can evade innate immune system of the un-vaccinated young people. Therefore, create more infectious virus. The innate immunity of the whole population (vaccinate and un-vaccinate) is less effective. However, the un-vaccinate is better off.

Now, vaccine is not all bad. If the vaccine can reduce the R0 to below 1, I would line up to get the vaccine in a nano second. However, this is not the case. Taking the vaccine will fuck up your innate immunity. It is irresponsible to fuck up the younger generation.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2586513]People with an IQ of 100 usually start by reading the first lines.[/QUOTE]People with an IQ of 100 quickly see though the political correct narrative that the NYT spins to hide the facts and numbers.

Fact is that the holes in the "Mass Vaccinations Are Our Only Way Out" narrative are getting bigger by the day, and they are getting so big now that even the politically correct MSM now has to grudgingly admit it.

In Israel they openly admit though that 50% of "cases" are with vaccinated people:

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccinated-people-account-for-half-of-new-covid-19-delta-cases-in-israeli-outbreak-11624624326[/URL]

Notice how they put "some vaccinated adults" in the headline, but when you actually read the article it turns out to be 50-50:

[QUOTE]About half of adults infected in an outbreak of the Delta variant of Covid-19 in Israel were fully inoculated with the Pfizer Inc. vaccine..[/QUOTE]In Gibraltar (100% vaccination rate) they currently have an incident value of 550:

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1139048/coronavirus-case-rates-in-the-past-7-days-in-europe-by-country/[/URL]

How do you explain that away? With more name-calling from you and your other usernames?

[QUOTE=AlexNord;2586483]If I make fast test there can I stay anonymous? As a family guy I would not like to leave my private data.[/QUOTE]The test can be done anonymously, but you still have to register and leave your contact details at the club. Giving a false name is a recipe for disaster if you are caught by the Stasi-Gestapo Polizei, and it will be very difficult to explain letters from the German government and lawyer fees to your wife.

If they actually stick to "Scout's Honour" and destroy the lists with private data after 10 days is of course anyone's guess.

Make sure to thank your CCP-Social-Credit trolls Mursenary-BigBuddy69-RockyV-McAdonis-PaulInZurich for a continuous degradation of your civil liberties, your freedoms and your privacy! Thanks to them, this will be your future!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2586402]What's true: Age greatly correlates with greater mortality with covid 19, the elderly are much more likely to suffer severe illness if not vaccinated.

What's not: all the other "statistics" here. Except maybe the Swedish age. Don't give enough a shit to confirm.[/QUOTE]Everything I wrote is true, you are simply too stupid to understand it.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2586513]People with an IQ of 100 usually start by reading the first lines.[/QUOTE]I've tested myself multiple times. Results always ending up between 127-145.100 is below me.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2586149]I'm surprised some seem to believe so much all what is written on internet, when so many fakes.[/QUOTE]Not just on the internet. In all types of media. Including air.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2585993]It's funny speaking to local Germans here in the clubs. Some like to ask of it is true that we really had many deaths in America and if the people in the hospital were all already unhealthy before Covid. I tell them the truth that there are not many deaths anymore, and for a many months, it has been that way. But in January it was very, very bad. I tell them that it is true that most of the very sick covid patients were already a little unhealthy but not so different than the average 60 year old man I see in the clubs. It seems that even presenting the most authentic description possible, some seemed dissatisfied with any report short of.

"Everyone in the hospital was old and fat and everything was fake."

But they did not protest, just became quiet with a look of disappointment with me not confirming their beliefs.[/QUOTE]Not very surprising that they don't trust you. All things considered. After all, an important factor in projecting trust is what people look like and what impulses they put out.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2586636]I've tested myself multiple times. Results always ending up between 127-145.100 is below me.[/QUOTE]According to WHO, auto tests cannot differentiate between intelligence and utmost stupidity. Are you sure you understood the 'how to'?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2586640]Not very surprising that they don't trust you. All things considered. After all, an important factor in projecting trust is what people look like and what impulses they put out.[/QUOTE]Cool, and everyone thinks you're weird.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2586626]Everything I wrote is true, you are simply too stupid to understand it.[/QUOTE]Internationally accepted referencing and citation formats are apparently too stupid to understand also.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2586438]By looking at data, death rate is going down significantly in UK where they are doing national test on covid without restriction, I would say like all the virus get weaker as it transform themselves into new variants, covid virus has transformed themselves to weaker virus as they evolved into new variants and it is 4th or 5th wave in most nations, so I would say the pandemic will be over next year with covid new variant become so weaken virus that it won't kill you any longer! And we mongers will be back to our treatment for our Cuban missile crisis between our leg LOL![/QUOTE]Mr Ho never posts here. Comes and posts the most cogent and reasonable assessment of the virus' evolutionary path. Shows a better understanding of claimed "evolution path" than other claimed "scientists." Timespan is the hardest to predict because government officials will not make the most efficient policies.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2586637]Not just on the internet. In all types of media. Including air.[/QUOTE]Aluminum foil hats.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2586597]People with an IQ of 100 quickly see though the political correct narrative that the NYT spins to hide the facts and numbers.

Fact is that the holes in the "Mass Vaccinations Are Our Only Way Out" narrative are getting bigger by the day, and they are getting so big now that even the politically correct MSM now has to grudgingly admit it.

In Israel they openly admit though that 50% of "cases" are with vaccinated people:

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccinated-people-account-for-half-of-new-covid-19-delta-cases-in-israeli-outbreak-11624624326[/URL]

Notice how they put "some vaccinated adults" in the headline, but when you actually read the article it turns out to be 50-50:.[/QUOTE]We all are aware that the vaccines are not that efficient, but it seems they are efficient against severe covid. Vaccines are a tool like social distancing, masks. Probably we will have to live with this virus for many years and life from 2019 will not come back in a reasonable timeframe. The situation is getting very bad in China Jiangsu province where a strict lock down was implemented 2 days back. I got the vaccines just to being able to travel freely in Europe but I still wear a mask everywhere and limit my social interactions. I don t need laws to decide what is good or bad for me, I don t believe in politics, leaders and even the FKK are open I will not go because I consider it at high risks and I try to control my libido and not the contrary.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2586601]Make sure to thank your CCP-Social-Credit trolls Mursenary-BigBuddy69-RockyV-McAdonis-PaulInZurich for a continuous degradation of your civil liberties, your freedoms and your privacy! Thanks to them, this will be your future![/QUOTE]I wasn't aware that I can decide policy in Germany. But now that I know, I'll give Angela a call to help me with some tax issues, maybe as well I'll will ask her to put an arrest warrant out for HT.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2586453] The "vaccines" to a large extent just as useful as your own body's immune system..[/QUOTE]Wait, what? The vaccines are useful?

Did you move to Russia yet? You know, land of freedom and so on?

The cluster fuck just gets bigger and bigger;.

[URL]https://www.rt.com/usa/530741-cdc-vaccine-delta-study-masks/[/URL]

[QUOTE]CDC releases study showing 3/4 Delta cases are among the vaccinated, says masks are the answer[/QUOTE]Hahaha, here we go again with the useless masks! Or perhaps 2 useless masks strapped over each other? LOL!

Here is Midget Mafia Doctor Fauxi about masks: [URL]https://www.air.tv/watch?v=74mPVRGqTL-zHGt4lvR1Dg[/URL].

[QUOTE]Montage: Fauci Gives Every Possible Answer on Masks and Covid [/QUOTE]Talking about masks:

[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/530759-sweden-delta-masks-zero-covid-deaths/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Mask-free Sweden nears zero daily Covid deaths as chief epidemiologist warns against ‘far-reaching conclusions’ about Delta strain[/QUOTE]But "trust the science" folks, and when you quote "the science" then the White House spokesperson gets mad at you and starts yelling in capital case:

[URL]https://www.rt.com/usa/530753-white-house-cdc-guidelines-confusion/[/URL]

[QUOTE]You’re doing it WRONG! White House Covid-19 spokesman yells at media for quoting CDC documents on Delta variant[/QUOTE]This really shows you what kind clown show we ended up in and how utterly incompetent the "experts" and politicians truly are.

By the way, where is the "British Mutation" that the politicians and media told us to be afraid of in March-April? "The British mutation also affects young people" was the much heard whining in the media to scare everybody. Back then, very few people were vaccinated (especially in Europe where the politicians had completely fucked up the vaxxing logistics), yet it turned out to be a huge scaremongering operation about nothing. Especially young people brushed off "the British mutation" like a light cold, again more lies and scaremongering from the media and politicians, and it will most probably be the same for the "Delta Variant" from India.

We all know the story about "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" and more and more people are waking up that this is a GIANT SCAM! Just look around you: where are the dead people? Look at your uncles, your aunts, your parents, your grandparents, your old neigbours, your colleagues. Most probably all of them are still alive and well, some wearing triple masks and using litres of hand gel, other not caring about anything and living their lives as usual.

You have a normal health and no co-morbidities and you want to end the Plandemic? Just turn off your TV, unplug your internet, vote out the corrupt fascist politician, and start living again! If you have mental health issues and are scared of living or if you are a hypochondriac, and-or you have weak health and co-morbidities: use common sense and protect or isolate yourself during flu season!

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2586601]Make sure to thank your CCP-Social-Credit trolls Mursenary-BigBuddy69-RockyV-McAdonis-PaulInZurich for a continuous degradation of your civil liberties, your freedoms and your privacy! Thanks to them, this will be your future![/QUOTE]And also your future, my friend! Muhahahahaha.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2586579]The vaccine is a big monkey wrench. Virus will be more infectious. However, vaccine destroy innate immunity against future variants in the vaccinated person. It also create variants that can evade innate immune system of the un-vaccinated young people. Therefore, create more infectious virus. The innate immunity of the whole population (vaccinate and un-vaccinate) is less effective. However, the un-vaccinate is better off.[/QUOTE]Awww, look at my sweetie using big words like 'innate' and 'immunity' without knowing the meaning of them. So cute! If we have innate immunity against future variants (which is nonsense because you cannot have antibodies against something you have never been exposed to), how is it possible for the vaccine to generate future variants that escape our immune system? Sweetie, do not play doctor without knowing the basics and keep getting your ivermectin every day!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2586640]Not very surprising that they don't trust you. All things considered. After all, an important factor in projecting trust is what people look like and what impulses they put out.[/QUOTE]You misconstrue. They trusted just fine because they are not stupid and are able to look at my face when hearing it, not like on internet conversation where your kind can select things to respond to, ignore damning arguments, and distract with other bullshit, all with a time lag for posts.

In real life, they must accept the truth because they know it but are just disappointed that they are not hearing what would reinforce their beliefs.

They are stubborn and bias, but at least they are not cowards and delusional.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2586597]With more name-calling from you and your other usernames?[/QUOTE]Awwww, poor little HT is hurt if somebody is mean to him? Maybe then poor little HT should not call other people stupid, morons etc.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2586637]Not just on the internet. In all types of media. Including air.[/QUOTE]Some seem to think only from data on internet without even being able to check these data, when I like so much formula 1 pilots who dare to say to engineers with computer: shut up, I am in the car. When You hear some in clubs, when they need again to come to you when You don t even recognize because You are much more interested by girls You drive and pay entry for, and really not impressed for third time, even wondering if bought graduation when such lack of knowledge about job. Maybe thinking with own brain would improve knowledge and make words being more impressive. I could dare to say: look at his girls images, it talks a bit about the guy. I much prefer to be a free mind, thinking about information's received from french journalists I really know and trust, and maybe this also help me to get the most chic looks like again yesterday. Really nice surprise at night to save my day. I m sad I will be alone on 2 October when Verbier is not even on my climbing tour. Wish for free ride on next April.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2586861]delusional.[/QUOTE]It is delusional to think a "vaccine arm race" will end well. Because we know what is next an arm race between human and nature.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2586819]So cute! If we have innate immunity against future variants (which is nonsense because you cannot have antibodies against something you have never been exposed to), how is it possible for the vaccine to generate future variants that escape our immune system?[/QUOTE]We have Innate immunity against all diseases. Younger people have strong innate immune system and old people tend to be weaker. One component is innate antibody which recognized disease pattern. A vaccine antibody is more specific and will inhibit innate antibody. Thus, destroy innate antibody against all future variants.

Immune escape bitches. Read up on evolution by natural selection, mate.

To illustrate the power of innate immunity.

There was a group of African Sex work who have unprotected sex with an average of 7 men a day in a HIV infested area. There was ton of excitement with a discovery that these ladies simply can not get HIV, they just can't. Even more puzzling was what happen later on. When these ladies clean up their life, got boyfriend or husband. Their cheating husband / boyfriend gave them HIV.

While a lot was learn from these sex workers, there was miss-opportunity;.

We don't fully know what component of the innate immune system that prevent them from getting HIV.

We don't know what is it about these specific ladies lifestyle while they was hooker that resulted in this strong innate immunity. Obviously, when they live a normal life, that part of innate immunity has clam down and they lost the protection.

Now, with what I have been doing this past year. I should be getting Covid, but no covd. I don't think the tinny amount of ivermectin by itself can actually prevent Covid. 1 MG ivermectin per day for 135 pound guy is nothing. I think it slow down the virus a little bit. Allowing my innate immune system to prevent infection. But that is my guess and self experimentation.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2586864]Awwww, poor little HT is hurt if somebody is mean to him? Maybe then poor little HT should not call other people stupid, morons etc.[/QUOTE]Try replying with facts!

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2586814]The cluster fuck just gets bigger and bigger;.

[URL]https://www.rt.com/usa/530741-cdc-vaccine-delta-study-masks/[/URL]

Hahaha, here we go again with the useless masks! Or perhaps 2 useless masks strapped over each other? LOL!

Here is Midget Mafia Doctor Fauxi about masks: [URL]https://www.air.tv/watch?v=74mPVRGqTL-zHGt4lvR1Dg[/URL].

Talking about masks:

[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/530759-sweden-delta-masks-zero-covid-deaths/[/URL]

But "trust the science" folks, and when you quote "the science" then the White House spokesperson gets mad at you and starts yelling in capital case:

[URL]https://www.rt.com/usa/530753-white-house-cdc-guidelines-confusion/[/URL]

This really shows you what kind clown show we ended up in and how utterly incompetent the "experts" and politicians truly are.

By the way, where is the "British Mutation" that the politicians and media told us to be afraid of in March-April? "The British mutation also affects young people" was the much heard whining in the media to scare everybody. Back then, very few people were vaccinated (especially in Europe where the politicians had completely fucked up the vaxxing logistics), yet it turned out to be a huge scaremongering operation about nothing. Especially young people brushed off "the British mutation" like a light cold, again more lies and scaremongering from the media and politicians, and it will most probably be the same for the "Delta Variant" from India.

We all know the story about "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" and more and more people are waking up that this is a GIANT SCAM! Just look around you: where are the dead people? Look at your uncles, your aunts, your parents, your grandparents, your old neigbours, your colleagues. Most probably all of them are still alive and well, some wearing triple masks and using litres of hand gel, other not caring about anything and living their lives as usual.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2586788]I wasn't aware that I can decide policy in Germany. But now that I know, I'll give Angela a call to help me with some tax issues, maybe as well I'll will ask her to put an arrest warrant out for HT.[/QUOTE]LOL. First, there is a rant section in this forum, probably a better place for these posts.

That said, we all know what Hammer meant. Anyone supporting liberals or libtards (eg frau Merkel's party in Germany or Biden's party in USA) are literally supporting more Covid lockdowns, reduced freedom of legal citizens' movements, and reduced personal rights to decide what's good for you and your family. You can nitpick on the words in his post, but that doesn't change the core fact he meant.

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2586712]According to WHO, auto tests cannot differentiate between intelligence and utmost stupidity. Are you sure you understood the 'how to'?[/QUOTE]Only idiots go to the world hoax organization for IQ testing.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2586861]They are stubborn and bias, but at least they are not cowards and delusional.[/QUOTE]Delusional like you?

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2586890]Some seem to think only from data on internet without even being able to check these data, when I like so much formula 1 pilots who dare to say to engineers with computer: shut up, I am in the car. When You hear some in clubs, when they need again to come to you when You don t even recognize because You are much more interested by girls You drive and pay entry for, and really not impressed for third time, even wondering if bought graduation when such lack of knowledge about job. Maybe thinking with own brain would improve knowledge and make words being more impressive. I could dare to say: look at his girls images, it talks a bit about the guy. I much prefer to be a free mind, thinking about information's received from french journalists I really know and trust, and maybe this also help me to get the most chic looks like again yesterday. Really nice surprise at night to save my day. I m sad I will be alone on 2 October when Verbier is not even on my climbing tour. Wish for free ride on next April.[/QUOTE]Totally, I stand by the French yellow vests in their protesters against facism. And facists like Mursenary, BigB and Piz.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2586438]By looking at data, death rate is going down significantly in UK where they are doing national test on covid without restriction, I would say like all the virus get weaker as it transform themselves into new variants, covid virus has transformed themselves to weaker virus as they evolved into new variants and it is 4th or 5th wave in most nations, so I would say the pandemic will be over next year with covid new variant become so weaken virus that it won't kill you any longer! And we mongers will be back to our treatment for our Cuban missile crisis between our leg LOL![/QUOTE]With some viruses you are correct. But not with covid-19, given how certain attributes were made sure to be on the virus before it was released to the public from the Wuhan virologi lab. There is an amino acid combination on the virus that works as a mutation-drive. Increasing the pace of mutations. Also the new vaccines we have now increase the chance of escape mutations happening. Thus furthering the timescale of the entire plandemic.

[URL]https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210202/escape-mutations-may-drive-new-covid-resurgence[/URL]

And if that is not enough, one can always plan a new mutation made in a lab to appear at a random location. And just act as if it came naturally from some sick immune impared person.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2586890]Some seem to think only from data on internet without even being able to check these data, when I like so much formula 1 pilots who dare to say to engineers with computer: shut up, I am in the car. When You hear some in clubs, when they need again to come to you when You don t even recognize because You are much more interested by girls You drive and pay entry for, and really not impressed for third time, even wondering if bought graduation when such lack of knowledge about job. Maybe thinking with own brain would improve knowledge and make words being more impressive. I could dare to say: look at his girls images, it talks a bit about the guy. I much prefer to be a free mind, thinking about information's received from french journalists I really know and trust, and maybe this also help me to get the most chic looks like again yesterday. Really nice surprise at night to save my day. I m sad I will be alone on 2 October when Verbier is not even on my climbing tour. Wish for free ride on next April.[/QUOTE]Also sad. With a much more young and fit body, you are sad when the opportunity to make 1000 E is lost for bullshit pride and ego. Nothing to be gained when defeating those who are more weak and fragile. But money speaks for all ages.

Catalea, the new and popular girl at Sharks. Busy and fresh with nice, tall body. But only average in the face, almost a little bit manly in the face. Nice pink shoes but she is not so chic.

I actually agree with most of the ideas at world economic forum. Aside from those who believe there is a way out of unemployment. They are just delusional. The future lies in automation. It's as inevitable as gravity. And so is also the great economic reset. And probably also the depopulation culling. What bugs me however is how they use vaccinations as a means to get there. Instead of honesty and transparency. Machiavellianism is the real disease here. And as funny as some of the discussion here can be, Machiavelli only did write satire. So this entire shitstorm the world is in right now is only due to so called 'intellectuals' not having a sense of humor! And I LOL at that!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2587052]Totally, I stand by the French yellow vests in their protesters against facism. And facists like Mursenary, BigB and Piz.[/QUOTE]Most of them are illiterate populist rednecks who find their information's on facebook and youTube (because reading a real newspaper is too complicated). You could be a role model for them.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2587060]Also sad. With a much more young and fit body, you are sad when the opportunity to make 1000 E is lost for bullshit pride and ego. Nothing to be gained when defeating those who are more weak and fragile. But money speaks for all ages.

Catalea, the new and popular girl at Sharks. Busy and fresh with nice, tall body. But only average in the face, almost a little bit manly in the face. Nice pink shoes but she is not so chic.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately she lost her freshness, even for her model body, and she is not anymore busy as when guys jumped on her before she got paid at her start. Second was more elegant and chic woman type, even 26 but more fresh, but compare to your perfect prostitutes images, first look like a virgin when she would be one of the prettiest now at Globe. As told me a French guy I meet since years, mostly at Bruggen, who came to speak with me and you also met, he is excited by vulgarity, there was good one ex Bruggen for him. Don t forget for 2 October, you will discover weight is enemy for my sport, unfortunately I'm much heavier than your low knowledge about anatomy or maybe because my big tool is so heavy, same like for covid, when I don t need to vaccine to resist nearly weekly, in my 50's. Second made my day good, like I will try to make my sporty holidays.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2587052]Totally, I stand by the French yellow vests in their protesters against facism. And facists like Mursenary, BigB and Piz.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Gino02;2586970]Anyone supporting liberals or libtards (eg frau Merkel's party in Germany or Biden's party in USA) are literally supporting more Covid lockdowns, reduced freedom of legal citizens' movements, and reduced personal rights to decide what's good for you and your family. You can nitpick on the words in his post, but that doesn't change the core fact he meant.[/QUOTE]Can you guys make up your mind if the current covid policies in Europe are fascist or liberal? Almost sounds like you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2587052]Totally, I stand by the French yellow vests in their protesters against facism. And facists like Mursenary, BigB and Piz.[/QUOTE]I accept others have different opinion than mine, no problem for me, when I love freedom and I find interesting, but I will never accept guys coming to bother me when I pay entry and have much better to do, to tell me what to do or think, furthermore when you see them behaving, really not impressive to show cleverness. I don't like protesters who go to break, who burn schools, when I would prefer my taxes help poor rather than rebuilding what they destroyed.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2586890]Some seem to think only from data on internet without even being able to check these data.[/QUOTE]If somebody has an opinion backed by a link to an article in Lancet or New England Journal of Medicine it has much more weight than somebody just saying "I know better" and never presenting anything to back that up. Especially if that "special" someone claims he is fitter than triple world champions.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2586970]LOL. First, there is a rant section in this forum, probably a better place for these posts.

That said, we all know what Hammer meant. Anyone supporting liberals or libtards (eg frau Merkel's party in Germany or Biden's party in USA) are literally supporting more Covid lockdowns, reduced freedom of legal citizens' movements, and reduced personal rights to decide what's good for you and your family. You can nitpick on the words in his post, but that doesn't change the core fact he meant.[/QUOTE]I answered where HT posted, but it's good you moved this in the Rants thread.

Not sure why you think I support more Covid lockdowns now, I always said that lockdowns are a very blunt tool that can only delay the inevitable. The inevitable is that sooner or later everybody will get in contact with the virus. The big difference is that now in North America and Europe everybody had a chance to get vaccinated, so it's time to let it rip here.

BTW, when you say liberal or libtard, you might want to be more specific. Liberal has different meaning in US vs rest of the world.

But hey, you said you are vaccinated, so you are not completely hopeless.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2586864]Awwww, poor little HT is hurt...[/QUOTE][QUOTE=RockyV;2586819]Awww, look at my sweetie...[/QUOTE]Does anyone else think that this sounds an awful lot like the same person?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2586637]Not just on the internet. In all types of media. Including air.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2586890]Some seem to think only from data on internet without even being able to check these data, .[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Pistons;2587057]... not with covid-19, given how certain attributes were made sure to be on the virus ...
[URL]https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210202/escape-mutations-may-drive-new-covid-resurgence[/URL]
And if that is not enough, one can always plan a new mutation made in a lab to appear at a random location. And just act as if it came naturally from some sick immune impared person.[/QUOTE]See Sirioja, Pistons is a bit smarter than you. Sirioja never brings any arguments, just makes random claims with zero backing. Pistons puts a link to an article (old by now) and then makes claims that were never made in that article and definitely forgets parts of the article that say the opposite than what Pistons claims.

For example the conclusion of the article above: "viruses cannot mutate if they don't replicate, and if you stop their replication by vaccinating widely and not giving the virus an open playing field to continue to respond to the pressures you put on it, you will not get mutations."

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2586964]Try replying with facts![/QUOTE]Since you like RT so much:

16 June: Moscow orders mandatory vaccinations for public facing workers.

[URL]https://www.rt.com/russia/526697-moscow-orders-mandatory-vaccination-against/[/URL]

22 June: Moscow Mayor Sergey Sobyanin will require residents to scan a QR code before entering hospitality venues including eateries, food courts, pubs and other public spaces.

[URL]https://www.rt.com/russia/527265-moscow-covid-test-mandatory-rule/[/URL]

26 June: Health officials appear to understand that beating the virus is only possible with mass-immunizations, and are now throwing everything at pushing people into signing up.

[URL]https://www.rt.com/russia/527655-delta-covid19-vaccine-reluctance/[/URL]

1 July: Putins press secretary says need for tough measures:

[URL]https://www.rt.com/russia/528120-kremlin-tough-rules-required-pandemic/[/URL]

5 July: Director of Kommunarka hospital says record number of patients on ventilators, running out of beds.

[URL]https://www.rt.com/russia/528386-delta-variant-businesses-cost/[/URL]

5 July: Prison time for people protesting against lockdowns.

[URL]https://www.rt.com/russia/530555-lockdown-protest-men-prison-sentence/[/URL]

20 July: Russian official suggests antivaxxers should be made criminally responsible.

[URL]https://www.rt.com/russia/529739-anti-vaccine-calls-punishment/[/URL]

So Russia is a fascist state per your definition, right?

Did you get your vaccine yet? Otherwise Putin says that you are a nihilist.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2586601]Make sure to thank your CCP-Social-Credit trolls Mursenary-BigBuddy69-RockyV-McAdonis-PaulInZurich for a continuous degradation of your civil liberties, your freedoms and your privacy! Thanks to them, this will be your future![/QUOTE]Since you like facts so much, please show one post where I say something positive about the Chinese communist party or the Chinese government. Otherwise people might believe that you are just a troll.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2587051]Delusional like you?[/QUOTE]This delusional guy has direct experience.

Third dose Pfizer for older than 60 in Israel. Good business for never ending story, now for delta, but after? Masks asked back in US, France, not much improvement. Have to enjoy our life as long we can.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2587385]This delusional guy has direct experience.[/QUOTE]Direct experience trolling the experts here on ISG?

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2587194]For example the conclusion of the article above: "viruses cannot mutate if they don't replicate, and if you stop their replication by vaccinating widely and not giving the virus an open playing field to continue to respond to the pressures you put on it, you will not get mutations."[/QUOTE]Stop with your lies please. Reread the article and always remember that thus is also a biased newspaper with an agenda. So you need to read it's assumptions on one hand, and the facts on the other. Weak minds like you seems to be unable to do so. Probably because you are not a soul, but an NPC.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2587155]Can you guys make up your mind if the current covid policies in Europe are fascist or liberal? Almost sounds like you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.[/QUOTE]I am one person. Not two. Clearly it is facism and liberal politics! Liberal = freedom. Facism = freedom is taken away. Clearly freedom is being taken away here.

By your standards I will lump you together with Britney Spears dad next time. You two really need to get your minds straight and agree on things!

[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2587118]Most of them are illiterate populist rednecks who find their information's on facebook and youTube (because reading a real newspaper is too complicated). You could be a role model for them.[/QUOTE]The real newspapers who get censored on social media? Like Sky News Australia? Or well, not really like Sky News Australia either. But they did get censored, yet they usually have to oblige by the main paid fake news narratives.

Fact is that newspapers these days don't have the money to make real journalism any longer. Because Google and Facebook and others are taking too much of the old income pie away from them. So they rely on news created by companies that do have the money to create News. Thus also always fake news, as it is created. At least considering it's angle. These PR companies, formerly known as Propaganda companies before that word received bad connotations. Barack Obama legalized propaganda during his years in office. Basically removing all formal restrictions of telling the truth from lies.

So of course the yellow vest in France don't read these newspapers. The newspapers write 95% lies and fake news. Including the French AFP. You can take my word on that. And if one newspaper tries to not oblige, it will loose even more income and / or loose it's free stream of information through cheap sources from players like AFP, Reuters and AP. And it sucks to be a newspaper without much to write about that a big audience wants.

To sum it up. The real rednecks are the people living with a headband over their eyes, not able to tell truth from made up fiction. Someone like you.

It is getting rather boring and dull to argue with communication retards here on the forum, but still. I will give you a few links to read:

This describes how Obama legalized propaganda:

[URL]https://www.fayobserver.com/story/opinion/columns/2020/04/30/opinion-government-propaganda-exposed/112322534/[/URL]

And whoopsideisy. AP lies and claim it's false. Thus we also get a good example of the entire false news propaganda in action:

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/archive-fact-checking-7064410002[/URL]

Fact checking is such a bluff. LOL!

The Epsilon and probably also the Lambda variant both dodge the vaccines quite effectively. So once the delta will slow down, these other versions will take over. Or perhaps the delta variant will merge with one of them and acquire the same vaccine-dodging abilities (amino acids).

The Omega variant. A future variant not observed yet outside of a lab. Which has a 30% death rate, spreads faster than measles (5 meters between each person will be the new norm) and is immune to the first and second round of the vaccines.

[URL]https://youtu.be/gXlOSEafzhY[/URL]

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2587205]Since you like RT so much:

16 June: Moscow orders mandatory vaccinations for public facing workers.

[URL]https://www.rt.com/russia/526697-moscow-orders-mandatory-vaccination-against/[/URL]

22 June: Moscow Mayor Sergey Sobyanin will require residents to scan a QR code before entering hospitality venues including eateries, food courts, pubs and other public spaces.

[URL]https://www.rt.com/russia/527265-moscow-covid-test-mandatory-rule/[/URL]

26 June: Health officials appear to understand that beating the virus is only possible with mass-immunizations, and are now throwing everything at pushing people into signing up.

[URL]https://www.rt.com/russia/527655-delta-covid19-vaccine-reluctance/[/URL]

1 July: Putins press secretary says need for tough measures:.[/QUOTE]The irony is that in the Western MSM, the 'journalists' and people like yourself are constantly bashing Putin, but now you suddenly seem to be on the same page when it comes to governments expanding their totalitarian powers?

When influential Russian minsters and mayors and powerful Chinese CCP member are making the exact same suggestions on how to to 'handle' CoNvid1984 such as Micron, MurKill, BlowJo, and Sleepy Joe, then this is the perfect illustration of what kind of totalitarian agenda is behind all of this. Thank you for pointing this out!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2587557]I am one person. Not two. Clearly it is facism and liberal politics! Liberal = freedom. Facism = freedom is taken away. Clearly freedom is being taken away here.

By your standards I will lump you together with Britney Spears dad next time. You two really need to get your minds straight and agree on things![/QUOTE]I would take you more seriously once you learn to spell fascism. Read about the etymology.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2587557]I am one person. Not two. Clearly it is facism and liberal politics! Liberal = freedom. Facism = freedom is taken away. Clearly freedom is being taken away here.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify, you are saying that Gino02 is completely wrong?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2587567]It is getting rather boring and dull to argue with communication retards here on the forum, but still. I will give you a few links to read:

This describes how Obama legalized propaganda:

[URL]https://www.fayobserver.com/story/opinion/columns/2020/04/30/opinion-government-propaganda-exposed/112322534/[/URL]

And whoopsideisy. AP lies and claim it's false. Thus we also get a good example of the entire false news propaganda in action:

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/archive-fact-checking-7064410002[/URL]

Fact checking is such a bluff. LOL![/QUOTE]Wow, just wow. Anybody who takes a look at the facebook page of the author sees that she is a brainwashed Trump cult member. Why am I not surprised.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2587644]The irony is that in the Western MSM, the 'journalists' and people like yourself are constantly bashing Putin, but now you suddenly seem to be on the same page when it comes to governments expanding their totalitarian powers?

When influential Russian minsters and mayors and powerful Chinese CCP member are making the exact same suggestions on how to to 'handle' CoNvid1984 such as Micron, MurKill, BlowJo, and Sleepy Joe, then this is the perfect illustration of what kind of totalitarian agenda is behind all of this. Thank you for pointing this out![/QUOTE]Just because most governments in the world take similar measures against covid doesn't make them equal in all other aspects. My post was for you to admit that your big love Daddy Vladdy realizes just like the rest of the world that the solution out of the covid mess is vaccines. That doesn't make him a good guy just pragmatical.

If you want to convince people that let's say Merkel is just as bad as Putin, please provide a list of political opponents and journalists critical of Merkel who died poisoned or were sent to jail for criticizing her.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2587663]I would take you more seriously once you learn to spell fascism. Read about the etymology.[/QUOTE]Ask him to spell 'Zeus', or 'Zews', or 'Zeeyouws', or something like that.

American Heritage Dictionary on fascism:" A philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism" Fascisti: "members of the Italian political organization led by Benito Mussolini" Now, let's discuss the comparisons of the one party rule of Capitalism that parades around two factions pretending to represent the voters that put them there. Demagogue "a leader who obtains power by means of impassioned appeals to the emotions and prejudices of the populace".

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2586928]We have Innate immunity against all diseases. Younger people have strong innate immune system and old people tend to be weaker. One component is innate antibody which recognized disease pattern. A vaccine antibody is more specific and will inhibit innate antibody. Thus, destroy innate antibody against all future variants.

Immune escape bitches. Read up on evolution by natural selection, mate.[/QUOTE]I hope you are kidding.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2586940]To illustrate the power of innate immunity.

There was a group of African Sex work who have unprotected sex with an average of 7 men a day in a HIV infested area. There was ton of excitement with a discovery that these ladies simply can not get HIV, they just can't. Even more puzzling was what happen later on. When these ladies clean up their life, got boyfriend or husband. Their cheating husband / boyfriend gave them HIV.

While a lot was learn from these sex workers, there was miss-opportunity;.

We don't fully know what component of the innate immune system that prevent them from getting HIV.

We don't know what is it about these specific ladies lifestyle while they was hooker that resulted in this strong innate immunity. Obviously, when they live a normal life, that part of innate immunity has clam down and they lost the protection.

Now, with what I have been doing this past year. I should be getting Covid, but no covd. I don't think the tinny amount of ivermectin by itself can actually prevent Covid. 1 MG ivermectin per day for 135 pound guy is nothing. I think it slow down the virus a little bit. Allowing my innate immune system to prevent infection. But that is my guess and self experimentation.[/QUOTE]I'm not replying to your bullshit about HIV because I have the utmost respect for the millions who have died or contracted the disease.

However, on your point about treating Covid, there was a rumour last year saying bleach can clean your lungs from covid. I would give it a try if I was you as it would also be almost as cheap as ivermectin. Let us know.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2587194]See Sirioja, Pistons is a bit smarter than you. Sirioja never brings any arguments, just makes random claims with zero backing. Pistons puts a link to an article (old by now) and then makes claims that were never made in that article and definitely forgets parts of the article that say the opposite than what Pistons claims.

For example the conclusion of the article above: "viruses cannot mutate if they don't replicate, and if you stop their replication by vaccinating widely and not giving the virus an open playing field to continue to respond to the pressures you put on it, you will not get mutations."[/QUOTE]I don't drink internet, I prefer to speak with journalists I know and they even say when they mistook for information's, like doctors mistook so many times while covid.

OMG, this vaccine suck. It will reduce hospitalization and death in old people, but for how long?

At first I thought that it reduces transmission. By now, obvious, it prevent / reduce infection for around 5 months. Can we imagine a more perfect condition for immune escape? Once that happen, protection from hospitalization and death is gone.

I can see they will come up with another vaccine, yearly covid vaccine injection. We will end up with a vaccine arm race. But the fact that they engineer the vaccine to be so narrow (target spike protein), there is a risk for antigenic imprinting. A situation where antibody for the original vaccine is generated, not the new one. Thus, render all future covid vaccine worthless.

At best we can get away with a few / several yearly vaccine. At worst, the vaccine arm race is lost before it even started.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2587671]Just to clarify, you are saying that Gino02 is completely wrong?[/QUOTE]Go and read 1984.

The idea they project is to use the means of fascism in order to achieve liberal end goals. By way of using double speak as a communication tool. Which one it is? Right now it is fascism. What the result will lead to? We have no answer yet.

Just like they say the vaccines cure you. While in reality they make you sick. This is also double speak.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2587687]Wow, just wow. Anybody who takes a look at the facebook page of the author sees that she is a brainwashed Trump cult member. Why am I not surprised.[/QUOTE]Only loosers with micro penises discuss persons ahead of topic.

Common sense is not so common any more.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2587778]I'm not replying to your bullshit about HIV because I have the utmost respect for the millions who have died or contracted the disease.[/QUOTE]No BS. It was a long time ago but my PI was in frequent communication with those researchers. All of them think it is a component of innate immunity but they all fail to discover it.

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15577632/[/URL]

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8918278/[/URL]

Israel is already giving out third doses.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2587817]OMG, this vaccine suck. It will reduce hospitalization and death in old people, but for how long?

At first I thought that it reduces transmission. By now, obvious, it prevent / reduce infection for around 5 months. Can we imagine a more perfect condition for immune escape? Once that happen, protection from hospitalization and death is gone.

I can see they will come up with another vaccine, yearly covid vaccine injection. We will end up with a vaccine arm race. But the fact that they engineer the vaccine to be so narrow (target spike protein), there is a risk for antigenic imprinting. A situation where antibody for the original vaccine is generated, not the new one. Thus, render all future covid vaccine worthless.

At best we can get away with a few / several yearly vaccine. At worst, the vaccine arm race is lost before it even started.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pistons;2587825]The idea they project is to use the means of fascism....[/QUOTE]Congratulations, you spell fascism correct now. See, you learned something.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2587830]Only loosers.[/QUOTE]LOL, looser "not firmly or tightly fixed in place; detached or able to be detached." or "(of a garment) not fitting tightly or closely." What you meant to write is spelled differently. Try again, let's see if you learn how to spell again.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2587830]Only loosers with micro penises discuss persons ahead of topic.[/QUOTE]You seem to go back to your penis obsession, maybe you need to play less with yours. I hope out of this you will learn the difference between looser and loser. You are at that level of education.

Topic: Cheryl Pass doesn't bring any arguments, just says they in two sentences that they "reversed the Smith-Mundt protections". The rest of the article is mumbo jumbo. She posts Bill Gates is the devil memes, links to articles how the Kraken will be released and to articles how the Mypillow guy has definite proof the US election was stolen. She is a "self employed fine artists" who paints dogs portraits. Sometimes she paints geese or crows.

Author of the AP article Arijeta Lajka explains in the entire article why that claim is wrong. She has a Masters in Journalism from Columbia University and worked for the UN, CBS, BBC and AP.

Credibility matters.

Now I will help you with the proper usage of the noun "loser" in a sentence. Only a loser would believe a dog portrait painter.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2587858]Israel is already giving out third doses.[/QUOTE]Germany and UK are following. Never ending story. Wonder for how long brothels will stay open after Summer?

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2587817]OMG, this vaccine suck. It will reduce hospitalization and death in old people, but for how long?

At first I thought that it reduces transmission. By now, obvious, it prevent / reduce infection for around 5 months. Can we imagine a more perfect condition for immune escape? Once that happen, protection from hospitalization and death is gone.

I can see they will come up with another vaccine, yearly covid vaccine injection. We will end up with a vaccine arm race. But the fact that they engineer the vaccine to be so narrow (target spike protein), there is a risk for antigenic imprinting. A situation where antibody for the original vaccine is generated, not the new one. Thus, render all future covid vaccine worthless.

At best we can get away with a few / several yearly vaccine. At worst, the vaccine arm race is lost before it even started.[/QUOTE]And on top of that, the death rate among the elderly in USA has tripled since the vaccine rolled out. While pre vaccine rollout, the death numbers were unchanged.

Not to mention the millions of vaccine injured globally from each round of vaccines.

I hope piz, Bigb and Murs get infected 50 times this decade. Who wants to take bets on how many jabs they will outlast?

P.S.: saline injections disqualify them.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2587733]American Heritage Dictionary on fascism:" A philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong centralized government usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism" Fascisti: "members of the Italian political organization led by Benito Mussolini" Now, let's discuss the comparisons of the one party rule of Capitalism that parades around two factions pretending to represent the voters that put them there. Demagogue "a leader who obtains power by means of impassioned appeals to the emotions and prejudices of the populace".[/QUOTE]Both USA and China are well inside the fascism definition. More or less on various axises. But it is turning for the worse. In both countries. Like a race towards being the most fascist.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2587851]No BS. It was a long time ago but my PI was in frequent communication with those researchers. All of them think it is a component of innate immunity but they all fail to discover it.

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15577632/[/URL]

[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8918278/[/URL][/QUOTE]1) These small studies are not controlled studies and the results could be influenced by many variables. 2) The results have nothing to do with innate immunity but they may rather represent a case where due to certain mutations (most likely CCD5) HIV-1 strain cannot enter the cells and it is therefore shed by the body naturally. The existence of individuals resistant to one of the two main HIV strains has been known for a while and it has usually been found in people from the northern European countries. The Berlin patient was cured by the HIV following a hematopoietic stem-cell transplantation from one of these HIV-resistant persons. [URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30836379/[/URL].

Do not try to interpret medical data without having background knowledge.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2587817]OMG, this vaccine suck. It will reduce hospitalization and death in old people, but for how long?

At first I thought that it reduces transmission. By now, obvious, it prevent / reduce infection for around 5 months. Can we imagine a more perfect condition for immune escape? Once that happen, protection from hospitalization and death is gone.

I can see they will come up with another vaccine, yearly covid vaccine injection. We will end up with a vaccine arm race. But the fact that they engineer the vaccine to be so narrow (target spike protein), there is a risk for antigenic imprinting. A situation where antibody for the original vaccine is generated, not the new one. Thus, render all future covid vaccine worthless.

At best we can get away with a few / several yearly vaccine. At worst, the vaccine arm race is lost before it even started.[/QUOTE]Do not get the vaccine, mate. As always, the scientists need the control group. Many thanks for sacrificing yourself to the cause.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2587718]Just because most governments in the world take similar measures against covid doesn't make them equal in all other aspects. My post was for you to admit that your big love Daddy Vladdy realizes just like the rest of the world that the solution out of the covid mess is vaccines. That doesn't make him a good guy just pragmatical.

If you want to convince people that let's say Merkel is just as bad as Putin, please provide a list of political opponents and journalists critical of Merkel who died poisoned or were sent to jail for criticizing her.[/QUOTE]I love country Russia with deep interesting culture compare to US, I love Russian beauties who are the most beautiful with highest care women, but I often argued with escorts I had Russian nights in Paris with, about Putin, I remember everybody looking at us in a restaurant when she was shouting hearing what I thought of ex KGB Putin. Putin gave back to many Russians pride they lost, but he is failing with his sputnik V so many Russians don't trust, having to make it compulsory, like Chinese also do and Biden also thinking about for state jobs. Of course, Putin like Chinese government are ready to erase who is a problem for them. This is Eastern way for freedom.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2587903]LOL, looser "not firmly or tightly fixed in place; detached or able to be detached." or "(of a garment) not fitting tightly or closely." What you meant to write is spelled differently. Try again, let's see if you learn how to spell again.[/QUOTE]Looser is the female equivalent of micro penis. A problem for a guy is a micro penis, a problem for a woman is a loose vagina.

I agree with Overhead Cam on the race to ultimate fascism. Now, let's get some data on penis size of Chinese vs western caucasians. After all, hasn't ISG been a pissing contest since it's inception? Well, there was a lot of sharing in the distant past.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2588134]I agree with Overhead Cam on the race to ultimate fascism. Now, let's get some data on penis size of Chinese vs western caucasians. After all, hasn't ISG been a pissing contest since it's inception? Well, there was a lot of sharing in the distant past.[/QUOTE]The problem is not the size but the way you use it. Are you so stupid to think that women are looking about size.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2587825]Just like they say the vaccines cure you. While in reality they make you sick. This is also double speak.[/QUOTE]Exactly, and they don't even break the transmission chain! #ClotShot.

Another Orwellian Double Speak lie is that the vaccines "give you back your freedom," when in reality it will be a never ending fascist surveillance state of QR codes, "booster shots" and tracking apps. The sadistic Germans wrote "Arbeit macht Frei" on the gates of Auschwitz. And now MerKill's new motto is "Vaxxing macht Frei."

How sad, fat, ugly and pathetic does one need to be that a guy is willing to accept and incompletely tested 'vaccine' with unknown long-term side effects, just so they can fuck a hooker one more time?

[QUOTE=RockyV;2588079]Do not get the vaccine, mate. As always, the scientists need the control group. Many thanks for sacrificing yourself to the cause.[/QUOTE]I will take the failed gene therapy vaccine when hell freezes over, mate.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2588078]1) These small studies are not controlled studies and the results could be influenced by many variables. 2) The results have nothing to do with innate immunity but they may rather represent a case where due to certain mutations (most likely CCD5) HIV-1 strain cannot enter the cells and it is therefore shed by the body naturally. The existence of individuals resistant to one of the two main HIV strains has been known for a while and it has usually been found in people from the northern European countries. The Berlin patient was cured by the HIV following a hematopoietic stem-cell transplantation from one of these HIV-resistant persons. [URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30836379/[/URL].

Do not try to interpret medical data without having background knowledge.[/QUOTE]Oh shut up. You was not there. When Dr. Anzala made this huge discovery, most of the researcher in the west doubted him as well. Just because he is form a poor country. Ohhh your assay is bad, so on and so on. Until western research flock into Africa and found it was true. Because of this observation by Dr Anzala, a whole field of research in CTL / HIV was born. All of the original people thought that it is an undiscovered innate and CTL.

And no, it is not a mutation is CCR5. CCR5 mutation is predominate in white people at around 1% because of evolution. The black plague put an evolutionary pressure to increase this mutation in white people. First discovery in white gay man in SF to be resistant to HIV. CCR5 is exceptional rare in people with pigment. Idiot. I'm done talking with you. Don't reply to my post.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2588078]Do not try to interpret medical data without having background knowledge.[/QUOTE]And by that logic, do not try to interpret communication data without having background knowledge. Meaning, we decide your curriculum through lobbying.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2588114]Looser is the female equivalent of micro penis. A problem for a guy is a micro penis, a problem for a woman is a loose vagina.[/QUOTE]Correct! 1 point to Turgid.

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2587909]Author of the AP article Arijeta Lajka explains in the entire article why that claim is wrong. She has a Masters in Journalism from Columbia University and worked for the UN, CBS, BBC and AP.[/QUOTE]Wow, so her credentials in faking news gave her 3 new jobs after her first. I'm impressed! Why do you even bother spending so long time researching who these people are? Instead of actually trying to figure out how the world around you work?

[QUOTE=Pistons;2588074]And on top of that, the death rate among the elderly in USA has tripled since the vaccine rolled out. While pre vaccine rollout, the death numbers were unchanged.

Not to mention the millions of vaccine injured globally from each round of vaccines.[/QUOTE]Was it Billy Bob from Bumfuck Alabama who posted this on facebook?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2588146]The problem is not the size but the way you use it. Are you so stupid to think that women are looking about size.[/QUOTE]It depends if they want to make money, have sex, or just make the guy happy. Not saying there is one answer to each of the three. But they probably have different answers.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2588114]Looser is the female equivalent of micro penis. A problem for a guy is a micro penis, a problem for a woman is a loose vagina.[/QUOTE]You would have gotten 2 points if you had used the correct term: queer. And also noted that it can be used for gays on the rear end.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2588146]The problem is not the size but the way you use it. Are you so stupid to think that women are looking about size.[/QUOTE]Even most sensitive is entry of vagina, but for sure size matter a lot, you hear when you are big, no anal for big.

Piz is like a woke lgbtq person now. Taking it personal when I define him as a facist instead of a fascist.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2588248]Wow, so her credentials in faking news gave her 3 new jobs after her first. I'm impressed! Why do you even bother spending so long time researching who these people are? Instead of actually trying to figure out how the world around you work?[/QUOTE]It took exactly one minute to google the authors. And a masters from a reputable university counts more than painting dogs and geese. But what would you know about a university degree, you still learn how to spell.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2588082]I love country Russia with deep interesting culture compare to US, I love Russian beauties who are the most beautiful with highest care women, but I often argued with escorts I had Russian nights in Paris with, about Putin, I remember everybody looking at us in a restaurant when she was shouting hearing what I thought of ex KGB Putin. Putin gave back to many Russians pride they lost, but he is failing with his sputnik V so many Russians don't trust, having to make it compulsory, like Chinese also do and Biden also thinking about for state jobs. Of course, Putin like Chinese government are ready to erase who is a problem for them. This is Eastern way for freedom.[/QUOTE]I saw a documentary on PBS about Putin. It showed that when he met his girlfriend he sent another KGB agent to approach her for a sting asking for a date, but she said she was going out with Putin. Then after knowing he could trust her he got married.

I think they really need to make all government workers take the vaccine if these workers are not able to stand behind government theories and science then they should not be working for the government. I would like to see most of the people in the government fired since they do nothing useful.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2588289] Taking it personal when I define him as a facist instead of a fascist.[/QUOTE]So cute, pretending that you knew your spelling was wrong and you were doing on purpose for so long. All you have left is insults, the argument of 3 year olds.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2588248] Why do you even bother spending so long time researching who these people are? [/QUOTE]That sentence sums it up about you. You don't spend 1 minute to understand the context. Are you really so used to swallow whatever somebody throws at you?

[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2588345]That sentence sums it up about you. You don't spend 1 minute to understand the context. Are you really so used to swallow whatever somebody throws at you?[/QUOTE]Especially when it's on youTube and Facebook.

[QUOTE=HT96]How sad, fat, ugly and pathetic does one need to be that a guy is willing to accept and incompletely tested 'vaccine' with unknown long-term side effects, just so they can fuck a hooker one more time? [/QUOTE]You're right.

There is even an idiot who suggests to use the Natural Killer cells vaccine that he is engineering in his kitchen, between the coffee pot and the pizza oven. Tested on his hamster and his cat.

[URL]https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/cautious-suggestions-on-a-way-out-of-a-mismanaged-covid-19-pandemic[/URL]

His name is Geert Vanden Bossche. No one wants to hire him anymore, his brain is fried.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2588336]I think they really need to make all government workers take the vaccine if these workers are not able to stand behind government theories and science then they should not be working for the government. I would like to see most of the people in the government fired since they do nothing useful.[/QUOTE]Agree. At this point I see nothing but harmful side effect, short term and long term. It is not even worth it for old people. I have regret telling my mom who is quite old but very healthy to take it. That was a few months ago.

The only people where the risk / benefit ratio is favorable is old with comorbidity.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2588252]You would have gotten 2 points if you had used the correct term: queer. And also noted that it can be used for gays on the rear end.[/QUOTE]Sorry, not one of my better posts. I'm bored.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2588336]I saw a documentary on PBS about Putin. It showed that when he met his girlfriend he sent another KGB agent to approach her for a sting asking for a date, but she said she was going out with Putin. Then after knowing he could trust her he got married.

I think they really need to make all government workers take the vaccine if these workers are not able to stand behind government theories and science then they should not be working for the government. I would like to see most of the people in the government fired since they do nothing useful.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you. And, while firing the government workers who decline to take the vaccine, they should also fire all the FDA (and equivalent government agencies in other countries) workers who are delaying to fully approve the vaccine. Governments should not push for a vaccine that they themselves cannot fully approve for efficacy as well as safety (from side effects); it's wrong from both ethical and practical standpoints.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2588235]Oh shut up. You was not there. When Dr. Anzala made this huge discovery, most of the researcher in the west doubted him as well. Just because he is form a poor country. Ohhh your assay is bad, so on and so on. Until western research flock into Africa and found it was true. Because of this observation by Dr Anzala, a whole field of research in CTL / HIV was born. All of the original people thought that it is an undiscovered innate and CTL.

And no, it is not a mutation is CCR5. CCR5 mutation is predominate in white people at around 1% because of evolution. The black plague put an evolutionary pressure to increase this mutation in white people. First discovery in white gay man in SF to be resistant to HIV. CCR5 is exceptional rare in people with pigment. Idiot. I'm done talking with you. Don't reply to my post.[/QUOTE]My sweetie, I reply to the fuck I want, as frequently as I want and whenever I want. You are free to believe what you want. I only tried to explain things you were misinterpreting, but you refuse to listen. Again, I'm not blaming you for being such an idiot, I blame your parents for doing such a poor job in raising you and making you ready to live in this world. Your parents are to blame, not you. It is not your fault if you are an idiot, but you deserved better in life and your parents should have done more to make you less of an idiot that you are today. Big hugs!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2588242]And by that logic, do not try to interpret communication data without having background knowledge. Meaning, we decide your curriculum through lobbying.[/QUOTE]Are you using Google translate again, my friend?

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2588231]I will take the failed gene therapy vaccine when hell freezes over, mate.[/QUOTE]Maybe you have not understood my previous post. I literally thanked you for not taking the vaccine and for agreeing to be in the control group of this worldwide experiment. Please do not change your mind as we need a substantial control group. Thanks again!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2587825]Go and read 1984.

The idea they project is to use the means of fascism in order to achieve liberal end goals. By way of using double speak as a communication tool. Which one it is? Right now it is fascism. What the result will lead to? We have no answer yet.

Just like they say the vaccines cure you. While in reality they make you sick. This is also double speak.[/QUOTE]Nobody is saying vaccines cure you. Treatments do. Vaccines are used to prevent serious disease and hospitalizations, but I'm sure you know that already. You were just trying to play dumb.

[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2588227]Exactly, and they don't even break the transmission chain! #ClotShot.

Another Orwellian Double Speak lie is that the vaccines "give you back your freedom," when in reality it will be a never ending fascist surveillance state of QR codes, "booster shots" and tracking apps. The sadistic Germans wrote "Arbeit macht Frei" on the gates of Auschwitz. And now MerKill's new motto is "Vaxxing macht Frei."

How sad, fat, ugly and pathetic does one need to be that a guy is willing to accept and incompletely tested 'vaccine' with unknown long-term side effects, just so they can fuck a hooker one more time?[/QUOTE]Another one for our Covid-19 vaccination control group!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2588546]Another one for our Covid-19 vaccination control group![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RockyV;2588538]Maybe you have not understood my previous post. I literally thanked you for not taking the vaccine and for agreeing to be in the control group of this worldwide experiment. Please do not change your mind as we need a substantial control group. Thanks again![/QUOTE]Who is "we" and who is "our"?

Pharma Industry member? World government sucker? Write me on the list of the control group and be aware, you never know what I am, what I am, what I am spreading around.

All the best, may the vaccine protect you and your business family.

[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2588411]Agree. At this point I see nothing but harmful side effect, short term and long term. It is not even worth it for old people. I have regret telling my mom who is quite old but very healthy to take it. That was a few months ago.[/QUOTE]What a hypocrite, why the hell didn't you give her ivermectin to prevent Covid infection instead of the 'failed gene therapy vaccine'? You are the shame of anti-vax-OAN-MAGA community and their boys are tracking you down now.