Phnom Penh

Hello fellow Mongers,

In 2008 I had a great first-time experience in Thailand and Laos. Now I'm making my way to Cambodia in November. I'll have no problem finding an average girl for quick pump and dumps but I'm looking for kinky action. BDSM, Maledom, etc. Any other mongers in the Phnom Penh interested in bi action? Sometimes sitting back with a buddy, jerking off, while we watch a few girls go to town on each other is fun; or, watch each other go to town on our guest.

Looking forward to hearing from everyone. Happy hunting!

So I went ahead and booked an executive suite with riverview at this hotel. 168 US for 3 days, I think its a good deal.

I called the reception to check if they are GF and the guy laughed and said I could bring up to 2 "guests" at a time.

Works for me! LOL.

In any case, if anyone has a nightmare story about the hotel or thinks this is a bad idea please let me know. I can always cancel the booking.

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=Rstoff;1747108]Hi guys,

I am sorry if this topic has already been discussed in previous posts, but I am new to the PP scene. And I am thinking of locating to PP one day (Maybe?). So I just wondered. Do PP ex pats ever take a Hostess from a bar, to go and live with them permanently? If so, what percentage do? I was thinking, maybe it makes economic sense to take a girl of your choice, away from the bar scene. I'm sure the girl would jump at the chance at least. Surely she would do everything a man asked of her. (Boom Boom on tap every night WOW). Then maybe just take her out on the town once a weekend. Or do you prefer your bar hopping Macho image too much.

Rstoff[/QUOTE]You do not seem to recognise that any bar girl will welcome a chance to live with you. Plus her nuclear family, plus her extended family, plus her village friends, plus her sick cow and then payments for her grandmother's funeral, and repairs to her parent's car, house.......

All the time she will of course be milking three or four other suckers outside the country.

The problem comes when boy friend comes to PP and wants full time servicing.

Please wise up - "take her to on the town once a week" - to her old bar (where you will have a bar bill the like of which would buy you a apartment in NYC).

[QUOTE=Advantageous;1746855]Thanks for the handy primer! As a fellow Black guy (5'10, kinda-let-himself-go-after-becoming-a-vet-but-not-completely-fucked-yet, sub-30's) that's a bit of a relief to hear, seeing as PP is pretty much dead in-between my arrival airport of SR and my departure point to AC / intermediary stop, HCMC. I'm really interested in Pontoon based on all the TRs I've read--if you don't mind me asking, what were you averaging in there? I hope dressing half-decent and some spritzes of Jimmy Choo can help differentiate me from the average African castaway pimp lurking the back alleys of BKK, but I'm expecting my wallet to do 90-97.5% of the heavy lifting, depending on the girl.

Also, any chance you have experience in the area of Vietnam? I've noticed that I haven't been able to find a Black perspective on comparative rates and general reception from girls (at least not from someone who has openly disclosed their race in their description or story), and I'd be a little relieved to hear that moderate price bumps will be the most of my worries ("The locals are always getting it cheaper" is one of my mantras).[/QUOTE]Advantageous,

My apologies for the late reply.

You seem to get the drift pretty well, if you're wallet is doing the talking, you should be good.

As for pontoon. I've had 3 pickups from there, 1 great, 1 decent, 1 horrible (it was a poorly run 3-sum, I think I reviewed it earlier. 15 min in I told the girls to just leave). You should be able to score some 6-7's pretty easily in Pontoon. 8-9's may require bottle service and clear indication that you are a cut above the rest. Note: some hot girls you see in Pontoon are just regular Khmer girls that came to have fun. Not everyone is working, but even at that it's pretty easy to note who is working and who isn't.

I would actually recommend Cyree bar for pickups. I went there a few days ago and the service I got was phenomenal. 2 girls for 30 apiece, 5 for a room close by, 20 for the bar fine. Both girls gave the best head I've received so far in PP. They were actually into each other, and they "worked" me at the same time. Note: Cyree bar has (at least at the time I went) 10 girls working. So the girls where a bit aggressive. I suggest you go there and take your time with your selection. I slightly rushed without properly assessing the field.

As for Vietnam, I'm not to versed on that area. I'm actually planning to take a trip there in the coming weeks.

While I'm not too well versed in that area I do know this. HCMC's population is almost 11 x greater than that of PP, so I'd imagine there is a bigger scene. Additionally, HCMC is better developed so I can also imagine there will better amenities and such. You should have a good time in both cities.

[QUOTE=Mozam;1747773]Advantageous,

My apologies for the late reply.

You seem to get the drift pretty well, if you're wallet is doing the talking, you should be good.

As for pontoon. I've had 3 pickups from there, 1 great, 1 decent, 1 horrible (it was a poorly run 3-sum, I think I reviewed it earlier. 15 min in I told the girls to just leave). You should be able to score some 6-7's pretty easily in Pontoon. 8-9's may require bottle service and clear indication that you are a cut above the rest. Note: some hot girls you see in Pontoon are just regular Khmer girls that came to have fun. Not everyone is working, but even at that it's pretty easy to note who is working and who isn't.

I would actually recommend Cyree bar for pickups. I went there a few days ago and the service I got was phenomenal. 2 girls for 30 apiece, 5 for a room close by, 20 for the bar fine. Both girls gave the best head I've received so far in PP. They were actually into each other, and they "worked" me at the same time. Note: Cyree bar has (at least at the time I went) 10 girls working. So the girls where a bit aggressive. I suggest you go there and take your time with your selection. I slightly rushed without properly assessing the field.SNIP[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information on Cyree; got one more day of work and an intentionally boring weekend ahead of me before it's time to leave, but I can almost see the home stretch! If you don't mind me asking, did you happen to get the average price on bottle service at Pontoon?

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1747711]You do not seem to recognise that any bar girl will welcome a chance to live with you. Plus her nuclear family, plus her extended family, plus her village friends, plus her sick cow and then payments for her grandmother's funeral, and repairs to her parent's car, house.......

All the time she will of course be milking three or four other suckers outside the country.

The problem comes when boy friend comes to PP and wants full time servicing.

Please wise up - "take her to on the town once a week" - to her old bar (where you will have a bar bill the like of which would buy you a apartment in NYC).[/QUOTE]Don't tar every girl with the same brush. There are a number of reasons that girls drift into bar work a lot see it as a easy life, some do it as a necessity and some are persuaded to leave their job in a garment factory and follow a friend.

I met a girl who had just started work in a bar I used to visit and eight years later we are still together, I help out with her expenses including $160 per month for a simple apartment which I use on my regular visits to PP I also help her family with things such as a water pump and building a toilet to save them and me shitting in the fields. They have asked to borrow small amounts on occasions but have always repaid promptly but they have never asked for me to just give money.

[QUOTE=Riverstar;1748115]Don't tar every girl with the same brush. There are a number of reasons that girls drift into bar work a lot see it as a easy life, some do it as a necessity and some are persuaded to leave their job in a garment factory and follow a friend.

I met a girl who had just started work in a bar I used to visit and eight years later we are still together, I help out with her expenses including $160 per month for a simple apartment which I use on my regular visits to PP I also help her family with things such as a water pump and building a toilet to save them and me shitting in the fields. They have asked to borrow small amounts on occasions but have always repaid promptly but they have never asked for me to just give money.[/QUOTE]And are lucky. But unless one goes into a relationship with a touch of cynicism disaster is inevitable.

Go read "Private Dancer. ".

Did not ask on bottle service. My budget doesn't factor it in. Ask around the forum.

[QUOTE=Mozam;1747773] So the girls where a bit aggressive.[/QUOTE]That's the biggest problem with Cyrcee. You sit down and the girls swarm all over you so it's hard to relax and check out all the talent. So my approach is to buy a girl a drink right away, which makes the others go away. Then I sit back, look around, and call over whoever I like and buy her a drink too. It's only an extra couple bucks to buy that first drink and it really takes the pressure off.

[QUOTE=Betong;1748546]That's the biggest problem with Cyrcee. You sit down and the girls swarm all over you so it's hard to relax and check out all the talent. So my approach is to buy a girl a drink right away, which makes the others go away. Then I sit back, look around, and call over whoever I like and buy her a drink too. It's only an extra couple bucks to buy that first drink and it really takes the pressure off.[/QUOTE]I never actually thought of doing that.

I'll make sure to try that out next time.

[QUOTE=Betong;1748546]That's the biggest problem with Cyrcee. You sit down and the girls swarm all over you so it's hard to relax and check out all the talent. So my approach is to buy a girl a drink right away, which makes the others go away. Then I sit back, look around, and call over whoever I like and buy her a drink too. It's only an extra couple bucks to buy that first drink and it really takes the pressure off.[/QUOTE]Does Girl 1 generally react well to you bringing Girl 2 over after a little bit? With them swarming as intensely as it sounds, I'm surprised they'll back off just because you pulled a second girl vs. Pulling for the threesome.

[QUOTE=Advantageous;1748818]Does Girl 1 generally react well to you bringing Girl 2 over after a little bit? With them swarming as intensely as it sounds, I'm surprised they'll back off just because you pulled a second girl vs. Pulling for the threesome.[/QUOTE]LOL speaking of pulling a 3-some. When I got there I was rushed by like 4 girls. I told them to back off for a bit. I sat down ordered a drink but 3 girls were still in my front. One of the girls that approached me was what I was looking for anyway, but the other was just OK. I settled for the 3-some but even at that there was another girl that wanted to join in. LOL 4-somes are just to hard to coordinate. Even the 3 was good, but I think they are over hyped. Stick with 1 girl and take your time.

As far as the girl 1 and girl 2 thing. They surely know it's all part of the business.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1748117]And are lucky. But unless one goes into a relationship with a touch of cynicism disaster is inevitable.

Go read "Private Dancer. ".[/QUOTE]I have read Private Dance and have worked with Stephen Leather on several projects, Private Dancer is a good read but one shouldn't treat it as totally factual account.

[QUOTE=Riverstar;1749050]I have read Private Dance and have worked with Stephen Leather on several projects, Private Dancer is a good read but one shouldn't treat it as totally factual account.[/QUOTE]Private Dancr encapsualted much that happens in Thai / Farang relationships and may not be 'totally' factual but, for example, pages and pages of Stickman Letters over the years chronicle disatrous relationship.

Good luck but don't discount the need for a touch of realism.

[QUOTE=Advantageous;1748818]Does Girl 1 generally react well to you bringing Girl 2 over after a little bit?[/QUOTE]I suppose she might get a bit miffed if you were to start talking to her, groping her, etc and then suddenly call over another one. But if you just buy her a drink and sit back and keep looking around then she won't be too surprised when you call another one over.

And yes, buying just one of them a drink really does scatter the other ones away. It's just like when the motodop boys all compete for you and then when you pick one the others immediately walk away.

Hi,

No posts for over a week. Is the bar scene and rain that bad?

OK, guys this is going to be a long one so bear with me.

So, I've been in Phnom Penh for quite a while and I've checked out most of the main spots for P4 P (Sorya after night, Cycree, 136 street, 51 street, Pontoon and HOD), so it's suffice to say my upcoming review holds weight.

So I'll begin. Phnom Penh is not what you think of as SEA P4 P (I. E. Bangkok, Manila, Angeles City, Pattaya, Kuala Lumpur etc). I've made this statement before, but I feel I must really stress this time around.

First things first. You get what you pay for. Like I said, I'm a younger guy so I have quite a bit of stamina, I'm not trying to sound pretentious, but "down there" I'm very well endowed (what's 24 cm in inches? I know it's dumb to measure but I had an experience where a former GF of mine felt she had to measure, go figure). Again, I'm sub 30's and my stamina and hormones have me like a wild dog. Being from a western country with high speed internet, I discovered porn early and have always wanted to experiment. So I find myself in Phnom Penh (PP) but with the local talent really lacking.

Let's go. So PP isn't like neighboring countries for P4P. I feel this is the case because other neighboring countries have already built up a rep as being P4P havens. Belief / Perceptions die slowly.

My biggest problem with PP is the lack of selection. You will not find anywhere in PP that will rival Soi Cowboy or Sukhumvit Road. My time in Bangkok mainly featured SWs and Freelancers and I had a blast (not to say I didn't try the bars as well). In Bangkok, not only did I find a large number of Thai women, but I also had Africans, a few eastern Europeans and other SEAn women.

The lack of selection in PP can make it tough to get a good variety. Again, I've been up-charged by ladies because they feel I'm going to "hurt" them.

In addition to the limited selection is the issue of sometimes spotty service. You have to do your do diligence before taking out a lady. Playfully ask what is on the menu I. E. 'yum-yum', how much time etc.

Bar girls here are not a 100% guarantee like in Bangkok. If she doesn't want to come with you then she won't go with you. PP is a lot more toned down when it comes to P4 P. Some people may actually prefer that over the "in your face" atmosphere of Bangkok and Angels City. Different strokes for different blokes. Only place I can really think of that may be in your face is Cycree bar, which I will say probably has the best selection of girls in one area willing to go for ST or LT. There are so many girls that you have to take your time and sift through the initial ones that rush you before you make your selection (s) (also, best place for threesomes, 4 somes, I. E. I've had great times in Cycree but my last adventure there had the girl I took very angry because she felt I couldn't come fast enough for her. In regards to my experiences elsewhere (Bangkok, KL) the ladies seem to be better 'seasoned' so they've experienced different guys on the spectrum. No hard evidence of this other than my observations of Bangkok and KL being more of a cosmo city than PP.

I remember when I was in Bangkok and a guy at a bar told me (and I quote) "If you need a girl that can handle 'heavy artillery' you're going to want to try an African girl or eastern european". P4P Wisdom at its finest.

So all in all, I would say PP is a solid 6/10 in the P4 P market for a younger guy in his sexual prime. PP will get the job done, you'll have good stories, but it lacks that 'WOW' factor. The ladies I've encountered really aren't the best looking, and other than the very good prices the service has been decent at best, caveat my threesome at Cycree a few weeks back. So young fellas, my advice to you, don't come here with super high expectations. It's best to come and go with the flow, check out all the main spots and find which ones you like the best. Definitely check out Cycree bar, you won't be disappointed. Again these are my observations and experiences. You may have different. Enjoy and safe hunting.

I just got back from the Soul Golden City Hotel. Fishbowl 5th floor. It seems better than a year ago when I went. There must have been about 45 women in the room. I paid $7 for the room and got the girl down to $50. Well worth it. The rooms are clean. Just perfect, but lacking a hot water shower. I think it is the best place in town.

With the day prior behind me, it was time to grab a bus to Phnom Penh. One missed bus and one made one later, I get to Phnom Penh around 10:30 pm. Prior research showed that there wasn't much in PP for me except the promise of not having to do all 12 hours of SR-HCMC at once, so I shower, change clothes, and head out to Pontoon around midnight. The club is pretty active, and after a little bit of floating around, I grab a table in the back. I'the have to concur with the overall opinion that PP isn't the best destination for mongering at all. Thirty or forty minutes go by in Pontoon, and my objective switches from "finding Ms. Right" to "finding a girl who's going to take all the dick" right before running into the girl for the night. 5-6/10 looks wise to be honest, but she's got a bit of ass to here, and at least gives of the illusion of having tits. Fast-forward to the Riverside Suites, and she gets to work after a quick shower. Good BBBJ, and I have her switch to doggy after a few minutes. Of course with my luck, she's "touching" and all the other bullshit about it being too big; she gets actively frustrated and tries to switch to finishing me off via HJ, but that's not in the cards at $35 and a $5 tip. I throw the old 'gal into Missionary, have her finish me off with her mouth and hand, and answer her "I go now?" with an opening of the door.

I was actually pretty surprised to find out how disappointing Pontoon was; a lot of people described it in fonder tone, and it was admittedly a Sunday, but I'll probably pass on PP in the future for mongering / in general; Patts is closer to SR, and there are better options in VN, so it really only serves as an in-between for yours truly.

Woke up, paid $85 to get my VN visa in an hour or two, did some touristy shit, got a Mekong Express VIP HiAce, and got the fuck out of PP. Good riddance to a skippable destination.

[QUOTE=Advantageous;1753995]With the day prior behind me, it was time to grab a bus to Phnom Penh. One missed bus and one made one later, I get to Phnom Penh around 10:30 pm. Prior research showed that there wasn't much in PP for me except the promise of not having to do all 12 hours of SR-HCMC at once, so I shower, change clothes, and head out to Pontoon around midnight. The club is pretty active, and after a little bit of floating around, I grab a table in the back. I'the have to concur with the overall opinion that PP isn't the best destination for mongering at all. Thirty or forty minutes go by in Pontoon, and my objective switches from "finding Ms. Right" to "finding a girl who's going to take all the dick" right before running into the girl for the night. 5-6/10 looks wise to be honest, but she's got a bit of ass to here, and at least gives of the illusion of having tits. Fast-forward to the Riverside Suites, and she gets to work after a quick shower. Good BBBJ, and I have her switch to doggy after a few minutes. Of course with my luck, she's "touching" and all the other bullshit about it being too big; she gets actively frustrated and tries to switch to finishing me off via HJ, but that's not in the cards at $35 and a $5 tip. I throw the old 'gal into Missionary, have her finish me off with her mouth and hand, and answer her "I go now?" with an opening of the door.

I was actually pretty surprised to find out how disappointing Pontoon was; a lot of people described it in fonder tone, and it was admittedly a Sunday, but I'll probably pass on PP in the future for mongering / in general; Patts is closer to SR, and there are better options in VN, so it really only serves as an in-between for yours truly.

Woke up, paid $85 to get my VN visa in an hour or two, did some touristy shit, got a Mekong Express VIP HiAce, and got the fuck out of PP. Good riddance to a skippable destination.[/QUOTE]Sorry about your experience, like I said PP isn't quite there yet as far as mongering. In a few years PP will either be a nice place for mongering, or pretty skippable. I wish you had tried Cycree, but you are right, PP can be tough. Definitely going to be waiting on your review of VN, I'm planning a trip there in a few weeks. By the way, what company did you use to get your visa so quickly.

A few wet and rainy nights in Phnom Penh but interesting all the same. Ended up in Street 130 because it is near my hotel and also had a good time there last trip. Its getting lots of new bars and other businesses and has a much nicer vibe than its neighbour Street 136. Anyhow, headed for Angy Birds Bar but got waylaid by a new bar called Honeypot Bar and had a great night.

Seems that Honeypot is owned by the same guys who run Angry Birds and Loco Bar in the same street. Anyhow enough on the real estate (– but Honeypot had some very sexy girls – way better than most other bars around and more like what you would see in years past. Good vibe, good music, nice owner who was happy to chat and good prices – standard bar fine. No rip offs or diluted drinks etc. Definitley on my return list!!

[QUOTE=Bubba999;1754811]A few wet and rainy nights in Phnom Penh but interesting all the same. Ended up in Street 130 because it is near my hotel and also had a good time there last trip. Its getting lots of new bars and other businesses and has a much nicer vibe than its neighbour Street 136. Anyhow, headed for Angy Birds Bar but got waylaid by a new bar called Honeypot Bar and had a great night.

Seems that Honeypot is owned by the same guys who run Angry Birds and Loco Bar in the same street. Anyhow enough on the real estate ( but Honeypot had some very sexy girls way better than most other bars around and more like what you would see in years past. Good vibe, good music, nice owner who was happy to chat and good prices standard bar fine. No rip offs or diluted drinks etc. Definitley on my return list!![/QUOTE]I've heard about this Honeypot bar but haven't tried it out. PP hasn't been so friendly to me so I'm a bit hesitant. Would you say the ladies are better looking than the ones are Cycree bar.

[QUOTE=Mozam;1754899]I've heard about this Honeypot bar but haven't tried it out. PP hasn't been so friendly to me so I'm a bit hesitant. Would you say the ladies are better looking than the ones are Cycree bar.[/QUOTE]
Yeah in my opinion definitely a range of nicer looking girls at Honeypot. But of course it's not the same as Cyrcee where you walk in and can take a girl across the street in 5 minutes. Definitely pays to spend a little time talking to a girl you like at Honeypot. You will get great service if you make a little connection.

But don't hesitate to ask the western owner who is there every night. He will steer you towards the right girl if you tell him what you are looking for. I think having western owners in the bar ever night is why Honeypot is a good place to wash up after wading through the water!! And surely no one could be as miserable as the Cyrcee guy. !!

Hi Guys!

I will be in PP at the end of the week. After spending a few days is SP with my VN girl friend to see Angkor.

I have RTFF and here is what I have gleaned:

Places to check out: Rose Bar, Pontoon, Cyrcee, Angry Birds and Honeypot. Darling Darlign for the higher end P4 P.

Prices: $30 to $100.

Anything I may have missed??

Thanks in advance for any info / tips you can share!

[QUOTE=Bubba999;1754811]
Seems that Honeypot is owned by the same guys who run Angry Birds and Loco Bar in the same street. [/QUOTE]Really, are you sure about that?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1757992]Hi Guys!

I will be in PP at the end of the week. After spending a few days is SP with my VN girl friend to see Angkor.

I have RTFF and here is what I have gleaned:

Places to check out: Rose Bar, Pontoon, Cyrcee, Angry Birds and Honeypot. Darling Darlign for the higher end P4 P.

Prices: $30 to $100.

Anything I may have missed??

Thanks in advance for any info / tips you can share![/QUOTE]Hi Buddy,

Rose Bar: There are some really cute girls there. Some of them moved from 136 Bar, 69 etc. From street 136. Vibe is also good, but it won't be a cheap evening for you.

Cyrcee: It is a come-choose-go-fuck place. Very willing girls but do not expect that someone will fall in love with you -.

Angry Birds: Nice girls but the stunners not really willing to go. At least not with me. Honeypot: Not tried yet but heard some good stories.

Darlign Darling: Definitely on the higher price level but lots of girls. And compared to the western part of the world still cheap.

Pontoon: Good to party, you will always find someone. And if not you can hit G-Pub.

I have had many good times in street 136 followed by Pontoon.

And nowadays I do not pay more than 100 USD for almost a week with always the same girl. She likes me and vice versa. We even fucked in her private room. Which she is sharing with her friend which is just 3 minutes walk from Pontoon.

Happy mongering!

I'm might be back in 3 weeks.

Hi Uncle Volodya.

You helped me out a few years back so hope I can return the favour.

Card Boy has nailed it pretty much.

Street 104 - Rose has the most girls but there are stunners to be had in the other bars from time to time. Since the street is packed with bars, it doesn't hurt to wander in and have a look at a few.

Riverside. As per my report below I strongly suggest Street 130 over Street 136. Honeypot had some superb girls there last week and Angry Birds and Loco can also be fun. Having western owners on site each night makes a big difference to the way the bar runs in IMHO.

Cyrcee. Yes -naughty girls available immediately. But don't expect much connection. In and out of the hotel across the road in 30 minutes guaranteed!!

Pontoon. Doesn't get going until 12 midnight. Grab spot at the corner of the bar on the front and you'll find who is available very fast. Can be a lot of crazy girls though whose behaviour back at the hotel can be erratic (change the agreement, go home early - baby sick etc). You need to be prepared to walk away or tell her to leave if it goes bad. I find Pontoon very hit and miss to be honest. However, if you are out late you will end up there or the little club nearby G-Pub. Worth sitting at the Sorya Mall tables and watching the circus pass by before you go to Pontoon for the loud rap and dance music. Other more upmarket nightclubs are available if you wish (Pontoon would never be described as up market!)

Darling Darling. Never taken a girl from there. Bang for your buck and all that. Just not going to pay $100 in PP!

Hope this helps a bit and thanks for your assistance a few years back!

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1757992]Hi Guys!

I will be in PP at the end of the week. After spending a few days is SP with my VN girl friend to see Angkor.

I have RTFF and here is what I have gleaned:

Places to check out: Rose Bar, Pontoon, Cyrcee, Angry Birds and Honeypot. Darling Darlign for the higher end P4 P.

Prices: $30 to $100.

Anything I may have missed??

Thanks in advance for any info / tips you can share![/QUOTE]

No to be honest it was only an impression I had after seeing the guy from Angry Bird in Honeypot. Might have just been checking out the new place. Whatever I think western owners on site make a difference.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1758000]Really, are you sure about that?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bubba999;1758343]No to be honest it was only an impression I had after seeing the guy from Angry Bird in Honeypot. Might have just been checking out the new place. Whatever I think western owners on site make a difference.[/QUOTE]Loco Bar started up with two western owners. They split up. One stayed at Loco Bar. The other one opened Angry Bird. Both very good bars. I don't know Honeypot, but I check it out when I come back to Phnom Penh next month.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1758351]Loco Bar started up with two western owners. They split up. One stayed at Loco Bar. The other one opened Angry Bird. Both very good bars. I don't know Honeypot, but I check it out when I come back to Phnom Penh next month.[/QUOTE]That was also my understanding, thanks for confirming.

[QUOTE=Bubba999;1758341]

However, if you are out late you will end up there or the little club nearby G-Pub. Other more upmarket nightclubs are available if you wish (Pontoon would never be described as up market!)

[/QUOTE]Thanks Bubba, info also helps me as well. I am reaching there on 15th August for a week. Request if you could elaborate more on location of G-Pub and names of few more nightclubs. I read about a new club called Beliza and few others such as C2, Jets Studio and Rock Cambodia, etc. Anyplace worth visiting or sticking to Darling Darling is a better bet. I do enjoy late night partying and would like to frequent some good places.

I have also been reading tit bit info about "Beer gardens" near the friendship bridge wherein locals frequent. Any further info on this scene would really be appreciated.

Uncle V, seems our paths will cross. Hope we can meet for a drink at one of the Bars.

Hi Illusion Heart.

G-pub is in Sorya Mall on Street 51 - its on the far left side as you go in or else get to it from around the back of the moto parking area behind Pontoon. It's very small and effectively backs onto Pontoon. Gets going late (I have only been there after 2 or 3 am) but has a good vibe usually and gets plenty of bar girls done for the night, groups and pontoon refugees.

The more upmarket nightclubs I go to are Epic (over hear the Russian Embassy) and Nova on Street 214 (which is a bit closer to Pontoon. Very occasionally St Tropez. Epic is owned by the same people as own Pontoon I believe. Both are dance clubs frequented by the richer end of PP society but I have had a good time in both and met girls easily at both. Mixture of expats and Khmer. Don't turn up in shorts and flip flops. Broadly they try to maintain a dress standard because I suspect the Khmer elite don't like partying with backpackers (But it's not as strict as say a London club.

Beer gardens are all over. I know those around Toul Kork (TK) best (I have always been the only barang there) but not specifically those at the bridge that you mentioned Basically when you enter, there are usually a large number of well dressed young Khmer hostesses at the entrance. And they will join you to eat and drink. But it's then up to you to propose and seal a deal for anything else. In my experience these girls are less likely to speak adequate english to understand that you want to take them home and some may just not do it. So you need to find one who does speak english. Or manage in basic Khmer. This is the problem you will face there. Nonetheless I have had some great long time girls from beer gardens at TK but if you have limited time and language skills then it's a low percentage game. Bars like those I have mentioned in the previous post are a better starting point I suspect. It may be different at the beer gardens you mention but I would doubt it. Somebody correct me if there is better info. Many of the KTV clubs operate similarly.

You should just be a little cautious when you are at places where the Khmer elite are partying or better class beer gardens. Can usually tell from the number of Range Rovers or Prados parked out front. Don't get tanked and offend people or you might run into problems. Many of these elite types do have bodyguards That is not to say don't go, but just be aware.

Hope that helps. Have a great trip.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1758473]Thanks Bubba, info also helps me as well. I am reaching there on 15th August for a week. Request if you could elaborate more on location of G-Pub and names of few more nightclubs. I read about a new club called Beliza and few others such as C2, Jets Studio and Rock Cambodia, etc. Anyplace worth visiting or sticking to Darling Darling is a better bet. I do enjoy late night partying and would like to frequent some good places.

I have also been reading tit bit info about "Beer gardens" near the friendship bridge wherein locals frequent. Any further info on this scene would really be appreciated.

Uncle V, seems our paths will cross. Hope we can meet for a drink at one of the Bars.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bubba999;1758795]Hi Illusion Heart.
Hope that helps. Have a great trip.[/QUOTE]Thanks Bubba, really appreciate the Intel shared. As I am going there for the first time I plan to check options I have been reading on net.

While clubs is a familiar environment wherever I go I was slightly curious about the Beergarden MO in Cambodia. I have never really taken fancy for KTVs but with what I have read I wouldn't mind checking one in PP or SR.

My MO is to always fly under the radar. I don't intend to and am very careful to avoid encroaching on local turf be it anywhere. Absolutely no point engaging with a person whos drunk or bruising anyone's ego when it comes to partying and women.

You have been a real help. Thanks once again.

[QUOTE=Mozam;1754544]Sorry about your experience, like I said PP isn't quite there yet as far as mongering. In a few years PP will either be a nice place for mongering, or pretty skippable. I wish you had tried Cycree, but you are right, PP can be tough. Definitely going to be waiting on your review of VN, I'm planning a trip there in a few weeks. By the way, what company did you use to get your visa so quickly.[/QUOTE]Yeah; I realized exactly how close Patts is to Siem Reap by night bus, so with Latin America blotting out my mongering schedule for the rest of the year, I'm thinking next spring or summer I might consider Patts - Siem Reap - HCMC via plane. As for the visa agency, I used Lucky Lucky! Motorcycle Shop; it came well recommended, and the price gets cheaper the less urgent your need for a visa is; mine would've been $75 if I could've waited 8 hours.

Why is there a lack of decent You tube video's of the Bars in Phnom Penh? Angeles, Bangkok and Pattaya all have 100's of top quality You Tube Vid's.

[QUOTE=Bubba999;1758341]Hi Uncle Volodya.

You helped me out a few years back so hope I can return the favour.

Card Boy has nailed it pretty much.

Street 104 - Rose has the most girls but there are stunners to be had in the other bars from time to time. Since the street is packed with bars, it doesn't hurt to wander in and have a look at a few.

Riverside. As per my report below I strongly suggest Street 130 over Street 136. Honeypot had some superb girls there last week and Angry Birds and Loco can also be fun. Having western owners on site each night makes a big difference to the way the bar runs in IMHO.

Cyrcee. Yes -naughty girls available immediately. But don't expect much connection. In and out of the hotel across the road in 30 minutes guaranteed!!

Pontoon. Doesn't get going until 12 midnight. Grab spot at the corner of the bar on the front and you'll find who is available very fast. Can be a lot of crazy girls though whose behaviour back at the hotel can be erratic (change the agreement, go home early - baby sick etc). You need to be prepared to walk away or tell her to leave if it goes bad. I find Pontoon very hit and miss to be honest. However, if you are out late you will end up there or the little club nearby G-Pub. Worth sitting at the Sorya Mall tables and watching the circus pass by before you go to Pontoon for the loud rap and dance music. Other more upmarket nightclubs are available if you wish (Pontoon would never be described as up market!)

Darling Darling. Never taken a girl from there. Bang for your buck and all that. Just not going to pay $100 in PP!

Hope this helps a bit and thanks for your assistance a few years back![/QUOTE]Thanks Bubba. I appreciate your help. As for any info I may have provided in the past it was my pleasure. I just hope it was useful.

I will definitely followup on your tips!

[QUOTE=Rstoff;1759369]Why is there a lack of decent You tube video's of the Bars in Phnom Penh? Angeles, Bangkok and Pattaya all have 100's of top quality You Tube Vid's.[/QUOTE]A few years back there were some videos online, from mikado, Cyrcee and Sophies, naming the places too, all closed now except Cyrcee which is but a shadow of its former glory. Doing something here and posting it for the world to see can easily be a death sentence. Not for you, just for the bar.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1758473]Thanks Bubba, info also helps me as well. I am reaching there on 15th August for a week. Request if you could elaborate more on location of G-Pub and names of few more nightclubs. I read about a new club called Beliza and few others such as C2, Jets Studio and Rock Cambodia, etc. Anyplace worth visiting or sticking to Darling Darling is a better bet. I do enjoy late night partying and would like to frequent some good places.

I have also been reading tit bit info about "Beer gardens" near the friendship bridge wherein locals frequent. Any further info on this scene would really be appreciated.

Uncle V, seems our paths will cross. Hope we can meet for a drink at one of the Bars.[/QUOTE]Hi illusionheart!
I just got into PP.
Tried to pm you buddy but never received a reply. Maybe your mailbox is full? Happens to me all the time. Pm me if you still want to meet up in PP. .

Regarding the quality of the Girls in PP. I have traveled to 68 different countries. And South East Asia is by far my Number 1 destination. I have traveled with these fine words in my heart for over 30 years. And not once have they ever let me down.

Don't you run back inside, darling, you know just what I'm here for.

So you're scared and you're thinking that maybe you ain't that young any more.

Show a little faith, there's magic in the night.

You ain't a beauty but, hey you're alright.

And that's alright with me.

Thunder Road.

The Boss.

I love PP. And Khmer girls will always be special to me. Be thankful for what you have in PP. Anyone want to swap PP for Wigan. FFS. Get Real.

[QUOTE=Lala33;1753604]I just got back from the Soul Golden City Hotel. Fishbowl 5th floor. It seems better than a year ago when I went. There must have been about 45 women in the room. I paid $7 for the room and got the girl down to $50. Well worth it. The rooms are clean. Just perfect, but lacking a hot water shower. I think it is the best place in town.[/QUOTE]Where is the 'Soul Golden City' hotel to find?

No address on internet!

[QUOTE=DelBosque;1764000]Where is the 'Soul Golden City' hotel to find?

No address on internet![/QUOTE]Not sure which internet you used, but on mine it came right up, near the casino.

Soul Golden City located at and 194 A, Sothearos (St. 3), next to the Rattan Funiture shop, Phnom Penh.

Could anyone tell me if La Maison the Ambre hotel on 123 Street is Girl friendly?

[QUOTE=Intois;1766255]Could anyone tell me if La Maison the Ambre hotel on 123 Street is Girl friendly?[/QUOTE]I meant on 110 Street.

I sent email to the hotel asking if they are GF and got this back.

I guess they are saying that they are Girl Friendly?

<<<Hotel wrote.

Please be kindly informed you that normally it's on our guest's risk for any loss / broken inside the room.

We do not have that policy yet but if our guest guarantee for his / her own risk, it will be okay.

[B]August 15 (Day 1: Saturday)
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Landed in PP around 2. 45 pm from Singapore. It took approximately 10 minutes from the time I started filling in my VOA form till I got my passport stamped with the VISA. Super smooth and extremely efficient. Maybe the Thai immigration guys needs to learn something from Khmer men. Bought a $5 Smart Sim card 4 G for 7 days 3 GB. I was booked in "Amanjaya Pancam" for 6 nights. Thanks to Nattys recommendation place was every bit to my expectation. Taxi was flat $12 from airport, took 45 minutes till I checken into the room. Extremely good location with a nice Riverview balcony. I had paid approx. $100 per night for a Junior Suite with breakfast included.

Rested for a while and dropped txt to Uncle Volodya (UV) as I had connected with him earlier from Singapore. Rested for a while and met up with UV around 7 pm at Happy Pizza, we both got some food and decided on the plan for the night. We decided to visit hostess bars on street (St) 104. UV had arrived a night earlier and had scanned some bars on St 136 and 130 while getting lay of the land. He went to freshen up and we got back together after 30 minutes. As we were walking towards 104 we diverted in St 136 as UV wanted to take a look inside Oasis bar. Nothing interesting we moved on. Reached St 104, plan was to check Rose bar first, we got in. Place was slightly empty. We got ourselves seated and were immediately surrounded by girls. Usual pleasantries followed. UV got one seated beside him. I was looking for Rose whom I had earlier connected on fb. I spotted her and as she was walking towards the bar I called her over. She joined me. Some general chat and I find out that the girl dosent barfine. I had ready Nattys earlier trip reports and was anticipating this phenomenon. While UVs girl was available to be barfined. Checked with UV and he didn't seem to feel the vibe to take the girl. We decided to move on. Settled our tab and walked towards Colonial bar. We walked upstairs doubting if the place was open and were greeted with 2 girls who invited us in. The place seemed dead other than 2 customers sitting inside with few girls. We decided to move on to a different bar.

We got back on the road and decided to venture into Zanzibar. Got ourselves seated. Same routine followed. I liked a girl and got her seated beside me, so did UV. I was looking forward to pop my Khmer cherry. Her name was Asra. She said she was 24. Checked with the girl and she was willing to do ST at $50 and LT at $70. I decided to bar fine her ST as I didn't want to commit LT so early. Paid the $10 BF. UV said he would wait or settle the tab if he decided to BF the girl with him and connect with me later. I asked Asra if she knew any ST hotel around. She walked me up to the Hotel across the street besides Rose bar. We went in, Asra spoke to the receptionist in Khmer. ST charge was $15. I paid and was asked for an ID. I wasn't carrying any on me and told her that my passport was at the hotel. I was hoping that there shouldn't be any problem and indeed there wasn't. The receptionist took the girls ID. We walked up to the 2nd floor. Room was decent one with a small bathroom. Walking up to St 104 and in and out of bars had me sweated. Got myself a shower. Girl didn't seem to keen but I insisted. On the bed. Asra had a decent body, atleast no stretch marks. Be sized breasts, trimmed pussy. Guess the Khmer girls are slightly more blessed when it comes to breasts compared to thai girls. I tried to kiss her but she didn't seem to respond quite the way I was expecting. I carried on, got a good feel of her breasts and arse which seem to my liking. Got a taste of her breasts. Asked her to go down on me to which she said she doesn't. I was slightly shocked. I told her that I wanted it but she communicated in broken English that she doesn't. I suggested I could wear a condom but she was quite adamant. Instead she started kissing my body and sucking on my breasts. It was working for me. Got rubber on and asked her to ride me. She was not quite the expert but it was underway. Switched to missionary and finished in doggy in few minutes. Quite relieved. Got dressed and we were back to the bar in 10 minutes. UV was still there but had shifted from the table to more comfortable seating on the sofa.

[I]Overall experience: 5/10 (No BBBJ and DFK)
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UV had clicked with the girl and had decided to BF her LT. We split with an option to meet later in the night if things didn't work out well for him. I got some food at Paddy's Irish bar on the way and rested for a while in the Hotel room. I was contemplating on where to go and had 3 options in mind. Epic or Darlin Darlin or Pontoon.

I decided to go to Pontoon. I showered and took a tuk tuk around 12.30 am, costed me $1 to get there. Used to bargaining I had to get him down from $3. I paid an entry charge of $8 and went in. Redeemed by drink coucher for some Vodka promo going on. Place was live and there was good crowd. I was scanning around and was also getting scanned in return from the hardcore ones. I could see it in their eyes. Took a round of the place, saw the VIP section and got a drink and settled near the bar. There were few lookers but were taken. I got a Carona and took another stroll around. There were some available girls mostly mature ones. Looked extremely hardcore and I didn't want to take any chances. I hung around till 2 am but just couldn't find anyone to my preference. The place had quantity but seriously lacking in quality compared to Insomnia / I-bar in Pattaya. Reminded me of my visits to High Society in AC and was was quite comparable. Available girls seemed more suited for PSE experience compared to the GFE I prefer. I decided to get out and walked at the back to check G-club. The staff were setting up the place and it was 2 am. This really seemed to be an early morning place. Didn't want to wait that long. Got myself a tuk tuck back to hotel and called it a night.

[B]August 16 (Day 2: Sunday)
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I got up around 11.30 and txt UV. He had a great night and seemed very happy. More details would follow in his FR I might say. We decided to get some food as I had missed breakfast and was famished. UV came over to my hotel, usual bargaining with tuk tuk and got ourselves to Aeon Mall, paid $2. We strolled around the mall and got ourselves some Japanese food. UV is a foodie like me and enjoys his food very much. Finished our meal and noticed that the quality aspect of Khmer women was really low compared to the Thai girls we are used to seeing in Terminal 21 or Siam paragon mall in BKK. Rarely spotted a stunner if I may say so.

We headed out and took a tour of the Royal palace. It was around 3 pm and contemplating on options decided to get a to a massage. We took a tuk tuk to St 200, had to guide the tuk tuk driver through google maps as he evidently seemed lost. As you enter the street the Luxury World Hotel is on the left side almost at the end, paid $2. The massage place is on the 1st floor of the hotel. As you walk in you are guided to a room from where you can see the fishbowl through a glass door. There were approx. 20 girls. Mamasan highlighted the Viets in Blue dress and Khmer in Pink. We were expecting some good looking Viets but there were only a few and matured ones present instead. I saw Khmer girls and found one to my liking. Paid the $10 charge. UV decided to abstain and went to get himself a chilled beer. I proceeded with the girl to the room on floor upstairs (2nd floor). Room was very small and AC not quite efficient. We settled in and I got myself out of my clothes sans undies on the bed. She started with a lackluster massage on my back and was waiting for me to speak. I just laid and asked her to massage hard. Her name was Lin. She was a short girl. She asked me to turn over and looked into my eyes expecting to say something. I gave in and asked her how much for boom boom. She said $80. I countered with $40. She refused and giggled. She wasn't budging. I offered $50 and said that's all I have and got up. She thought I was leaving and agreed. She got off her clothes. Had be sized breasts, second Khmer girl for me, was happy that atleast I will have something handful. As she removed her undies came the shock. She was thick Bush. I proceeded anyways. She lay besides me and I tried to kiss her. Same problem. Girl only pecked. I sucked on her breasts which she seemed to like. I got my hand to her Bush and found my way to her clit. I continued sucking on her breasts while she stroked me. Asked her to go down on me to which she also refused. I told her that I am walking out if she dosent do it. She agreed but with a rubber on. Got the rubber on, she sucked for few seconds and looked up to me indicating that was it. I wasn't going to get any further so got her in Cowgirl, missionary and doggy. She was incredibly tight and extremely wet when we finished. I was satiated. Caught up with UV who was seated in the restaurant sipping a cold one. We decided to get out and get some food.

[I]Overall experience: 6.5/10 (CBJ and light Pecking)
[/I]

We went to a Khmer restaurant UV had identified but unfortunately it was closed. We decided to go to St 51. As soon as we reached the Golden Sorya mall square I suggested we go and have a beer in Shangai. We got in seated. UV ordered some food. I meanwhile looked for a girl I had connected in the night on Wechat. Her name was Nitha. I saw her and called her over. She recalled having chatted with me and was happy I was there. However she seemed busy with a customer who had bought her drinks. Also the place seem to be extremely low on staff as all girls (4 or 5) were doubling up as waitresses. She came in between to talk to me but I wasn't buying her a drink considering that she would take a sip and zoom off to other tables where drinks were already bought and waiting for her. UV in the meantime finished his meal. We decided to move on.

We walked towards St 9 and into LE Cyrcee. It was 6 pm and Bar seemed to have just opened. There were 3 or 4 girls. We got ourselves seated and ordered drinks. Two girls latched onto UV and 1 came to me. The seemed to be extremely average girls. While UV started chatting I decided to abstain and wait for some more girls to show up. Over the next 30 to 40 minutes around 3 more girls showed up. 3 some seems to be a normal routine here as the girls approached us in pairs. While we could always select 1 girl or form a pair it would be apt to go with the pairs already formed by the girls themselves. Atleast one wouldn't have to worry about the chemistry between the girls. We were not really in the mood for a session and settled our tab and moved on. There is good potential here for a session catch being the extremely average quality of girls. No teens or spinners, just few mature girls who woud know the job better.

We walked up to street St 136. Saw Candy but didn't want to go in considering the LBs present there. There were extremely minimal or no catcalls in bars here compared to Pattaya or AC. It was peaceful walking and taking your time to zero in the bar you would want to go in. The girls seemed to be sitting outside in absence or less customers inside and you caqn take a good look at them atleast. We walked upto Dream bar which is the last one on the left then turned back. We saw some potential outside Illusionz or Sizzler and went in. Surrounded by girls as soon as we were seated. Got ourselves a girl each and ordered drinks for all. Usual pleasantries followed. Suddenly a girl came to our table with "Connect 4" game board. Pattaya open bar visitors would be familiar with this game. Played and lost a few rounds. Bought her a LD. She was extremely lively and enthusiastic girl, spoke English comparably well to the other girls. She had suffered a bike accident and had a stitch between her upper lip and nose, a small scar on her forehead. Few others on her leg. Reminded us how dangerous these bike rides can be and abstain from them. She was also doubling up as a DJ and playing some peppy music. The other girls including the mamasan requested her to get up on the bar and dance which she did and swayed extremely well. UV tried to get a pic but she stopped dancing and refused. I already had a girl sitting besides me and was in a fix now. I checked with the girl sitting besides, name was Nita whether she would BF to which she affirmed. ST $50 and LT $70. UV also seemed to like this girl. However I was feeling attracted to the other girl. When she came down I asked her name, name was Srey and whether she would BF. She did BF and at same price quoted by Nita. However I had insisted upon a visit to Naga earlier to UV as this was his last night in PP and he was flying back to Pattaya next afternoon. We didn't want to commit here and so early, 7 pm. I checked with the bar and they were going to be open till 3 am and later if the customers are sitting inside. Promising to return and as a backup plan we settled our tab and went to hotel to freshen up.

We took a tuk tuk to Naga from my hotel, paid $2 arrived around 8. 30 pm. Seemed early so took a stroll around the casino. Place was filled with and seemed dedicated to Chinese people. We hung around for some time and then hit Darlin Darlin (DD). Reminded me of my first visit to Brix or Spasso. However there is no entry charge in DD. We got in and found a table sans bottle service. There weren't many girls. We were seated in the last row of tables and had the VIP enclosures to our right and passage / bar to our left. The VIP enclosures seem to be filled with Chinese men. Two girls were seated beside us and got talking to us. One came over and chatted to me. Didn't find them quite interesting. We also took break from them and moved around to spot available talent. We had come in from the casino side. However there is also a direct entrance from the road which bypasses the entry to casino and straight inside DD. Few girls were seated here. They also took turns one by one to stroll around and identify potential customers. One of the girl, slim gazelle spoke to the girls seated with us and caught my attention. I asked them if she could join us. They spoke to her in Khmer and she walked away. One of the girls told me that she would charge $30 for 1 hour and $50 for 2 or 3 hours to join me for drinks. This was new and I was going to pay a girl to fuck and not just drink with me. I thought geishas existed only in Japan but it seems that this companion concept is now increasing. I am exposed enough to this concept alternately referred to as BMD (Buy me Drink) in Singapore. It was evident that target segment for these girls are mainly the Chinese groups who like to party after their winnings / loss at the Casino.

I recalled my earlier conversation with Nita who had told me that there is another Disco called "F Club" on the upper floors inside the casino. UV and I decided to take a break from the girls with us as neither of us were interested in either. UV had however initially probed wherein one of the girl had quoted $150 but could be negotiated to do LT for $120 if I remember correctly. We walked over to the bar and settled our tab. To our surprise the girls had told the waiter to bill us their drinks as well. We were surprised but paid the same and moved on. It took some walking around on the first floor to locate the disco. We got in and immediately realized that we were not welcome. There were groups of Chinese men seated all around. A pimp was parading all girls in front of the groups. Girls looked Chinese as well. We got ourselves a drink and looked around but didn't see any scope for even talking with a girl as they were being moved around in herds by the pimp. We finished our drink as fast as we could and got back to DD.

Crowd had built up in DD by then. Place had more girls now near the bar counter. We engaged with few. One quoted 200 for ST, other one quoted 150 for ST and they wouldn't budge. UV didn't click with anyone either so we decided to go back to St 136. I had planned to BF Srey and UV would take Nita. We got ourselves seated and the girls came smiling back to us. Got Nita seated beside UV and Srey with me. However UV was not getting the vibe from Nita and decided to go back to St 104, Zanzibar and BF the girl he had taken the earlier night. He wanted to leave PP with a good tried and tested girl experience. I had both girls to myself but am not a threesome guy. I thought I would take Srey tonight and Nita tomorrow however it seems Nita was having an off the other day so changed my plans and BF Nita LT instead agreeing on $70 till afternoon next day. Settled the tab, paid $10 BF and we walked back to the Hotel. Had few shots of JW in the room as I had carried a bottle from Singapore not aware that alcohol is cheap in PP but didn't want to take chance with counterfeit liquor. Took shower separately. Nita was warm in bed and was open to DFK. She also attempted BBBJ but was seriously lacking. I had to get my hand over her head and guide her movements. Atleast she was trying. Finally I got a BBBJ in PP. Started in missionary and finished in doggy. She had trimmed Bush and A sized breasts. Had another session in morning sans BBBJ as I was hard and got her to ride me. Almost forgot rubber when she reminded me at the last minute. Danger averted and finished shortly in missionary. She left soon after.

[I]Overall experience: 7/10 (BBBJ and DFK)
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[B]August 17 (Day 3: Monday)
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Met UV in the afternoon and went to see what Phnom. UV told me that had a great time and enjoyed multiple pops with his girl. We decided to get another massage before he left for Pattaya. UV had already checked out and left his luggage at the reception of his hotel. We decided to try another massage place. We took a tuk tuk to St 252, a place called Massa. We got there. It's the only massage place on the street on the right hand as soon as you enter. We got upstairs on the first floor guided by the doorman seated at the entrance. We walked into an apartment and were seated on a sofa facing the fishbowl. There were around 10 to 12 girls, few matured ones in them. Two stood out, one no 61 was a cute and beautiful one, prettiest of the lot. UV took her and I took no 30 who was smiling at me and gave a good vibe. We paid the $10 charge and went to the room. The room was an absolute dump. The bed had caved in and the bathroom was dirty. However as the girl looked inviting decided to carry on. Usual pretending of massage and down to negotiation. Girl was named Hanna and quoted $80. I almost chuckled. I countered with $40 but denied, settled at $50. She started massaging my dick and I was expecting her to proceed for BBBJ. It didn't happen neither did DFK. Just light kisses. What made me enjoy the session was how tight the girl was. Be sized breasts. Really enjoyed pumping her. Soft moans and squeezing me tightly gave me all the hard on and arousal I needed. Started with missionary and finished in doggy. Cleaned up as fast as I can and came out. Waited for UV. He came out a satiated man and had the same feelings about the facilities. I would suggest skipping this place if you are very particular about the room and toilet. You have been warned.

[I]Overall experience: 6.5/10 (No BBBJ/CBJ or DFK)
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We took a tuk tuk back to riverside and parted after a sumptuous meal at "LE Patata". I had enjoyed UVs company thoroughly and was happy that we had the same thought process and clicked so well. My initial 2 days in PP had been great in his company and will definitely want to team up with him in future trip.

I went back to hotel and got few hours of sleep. I went to DD again around 9 pm as I wanted to give it a second chance. I got myself seated near the bar and ordered a JD cola. Got talking to a beautiful lady sitting beside. Her name was Yada. Closed on $100ST and took a tuk tuk back to hotel. Few more JW shots in room. Yada has the typical Khmer face, big flat nose, good body, had a 2 yr old child. She must be 25 to 28 yrs old. Be sized breasts. Yada was a cat in bed. She was more like the typical Thai or pinay girl I had experienced. Good BBBJ and she really did it well. Deep DFK with tongue. I started with missionary and she was already wet by then. Her soft moans in khmer really got me going harder and harder. I just managed to change to doggy before I came within few thrusts. We both had a contended smile on our face. She called up her regular taxi guy and was out in 10 minutes. I slept well and early that night as I had a 7. 30 Minibus (Seila Angkor) to catch for Siem Reap. I had to see Angkor what and had booked a room for Alliance Villa for 1 night. Plan was to get back to PP the other evening.

[I]Overall experience: 7.5/10 (BBBJ and DFK)
[/I]

Continued in SR thread..

[B]August 19 (Day 5: Wednesday)
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I reached PP at 7. 30 pm. The minibus dropped me at St 47 at their main office. I decided to walk some distance and stretch my legs. The 5. 30 HR one way journey is really cumbersome. As I was walking towards what Phnom I came across the local beergarden on the right side. I could see girls seated on both sides after the entrance and made a note to visit this place. Walked some more and then took a tuk tuk back to hotel. I rested for some time and got out. Night in Siem Reap had been dry and boring. Plan was to check CASA Karaoke. I had read that there were some amazing Viet girls available here for $150 LT + $ 25 management fees on the Singapore forums. Singaporeans seem to have a lot of affinity for Karaoke places in PP or Manila or even Bangkok. I personally haven't even been to one but the idea of walking in and taking a girl away did entice me. Besides Karaoke's do seem to have reputation of offering more beautiful girls then hostess bars. I took a tuk tuk from hotel and asked the young lad to take me to street 47 which he didn't seem to know. This lad drives tuk tuk as part time job after 5 pm till midnight. When I told him CASA hotel he understood and took me there. Got chatting to him on the way and he offered me to take to some good local beergardens. I resisted and saved that for another day. I reached CASA and walked in the entrance. The security guy stopped me and laughed at me. I didn't understand. I asked him what happened. He told me that I was early and place opened after 10 pm. I looked at my watch and it was 9. 35 pm. Not wanting to waste time I walked out. The tuk tuk lad was waiting for me there so I told him to wait till I walked to the local beer garden I had seen earlier. I went in and all girls stood up. I said Hello, but they were giggling. It was a garden restaurant with tarpaulin covered roof. Dimly lit. But could see some local men sitting with 2 or 3 girls. I came back towards the girls at the entrance and said Hello, again. I didn't hear anyone say Hello, so guessed that this is an average Khmer joint and language is going to be a big barrier. I decided to move on and go back to DD. The tuk tuk guy took me there within minutes. He was talking about massage places, brothels, etc on the way but I just gave him no response.

I reached DD. I got myself seated near the cash counter at the end of the bar and ordered a JD cola. Place seemed dull today and not many girls. The Pinay band however seemed to be in full swing. Some good songs sung by the 3 female singers. However with nothing much happening I decided to take a break and walk into the casino. There are some girls moving around and smiling at you. I thought why not take a chance. As I was walking out a girl standing near the exit smiled. She looked good so I said Hi and stood near here. Small chit chat and I asked if she was free. She nodded affirmatively. I asked her how much to which she asked me whether I was staying at Naga. I said no and she quoted $150ST. Wasn't aware that a girl charged $50 premium for non Naga resident visitor. I countered with $100 to which she said no. I moved on and went to the main lobby. Got myself seated on a sofa near the open bar in the main lobby. There were 3 girls sitting at the sofa besides mine. Smiled at one and she smiled back. Waved her over to come and sit near me. She did. I asked her name, was Akim. She was short slightly plumpy girl. I could see the see sized breasts through her dress and felt horny. I asked her if she want to provide me company. She agreed at $ 100ST and off we were to my hotel with the lad waiting outside for me. Usual ID card check and photocopy. We got into the room, few shots of JW. She wanted to take a bath in the tub. She started undressing and I pulled her closer to me. She had real big jugs for the height she was. I got a good grab of them soft puppies. She then went into the tub and could see her complete body. Great butt and trimmed pussy. She came to bed after 15 minutes and seemed extremely happy to have spent time in the tub. I got on as soon as she lied beside me. She was averse to DFK and seem to give little pecks. What a turn off. However she gave me a decent BBBJ. I had to get her on top of me and suck on to those big jugs of her. I pumped her for some time and immediately got her into doggy. It did not take much time for me to come holding her big ones. She cleaned and left happy in 10 minutes.

[I]Overall experience: 7/10 (BBBJ and no DFK)
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I decided to go to Pontoon again. The tuk tuk lad was waiting outside my hotel as I had told him to stay put. Got in at 12 am. There was more crowd than my earlier visit. No cover charge. Felt positive about picking a girl. Took a round of the place, saw few potentials and got a drink. Settled near the bar facing the dance floor. Spoke to the one standing close by and she quoted $100 for LT till morning. I didn't negotiate and walked around. Approached another one but same price. The reason I was looking for LT was because I didn't want to take a chance. I had got up at 5 am to see the sunrise at Angkor what, travelled 5. 30 hours in the bus and had one pop already. LT would ensure that I can session with her in the morning if I don't feel like it when I get back to room. Didn't want to spend $100 dollar for this so got out. Called the tuk tuk lad and went to St 136. It was around 2 am by then. I went into Sizzler. Both the girls Nita and Srey were missing. Had a drink there and offered one to one of the cute young girls who only drink but don't BF. She was a sweetheart though. Good she didn't understand or utter a word of English, saved me the trouble of conversation. Called it a night as I was feeling really tired and sleepy. Took the tuk tuk back to hotel and paid him $5 for the entire round trip. He was happy and told me that he would be back the next day at 6 pm and wait for me outside the hotel. I told him that it was his wish as I didn't have any concrete plans.

[B]August 20 (Day 6: Thursday)
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I missed breakfast again and had to walk to Paddys for a full English breakfast. It is quite filling but slightly expensive at $8. I could have welcomed a duck meat and noodle or Chicken Rice for 5 SGD instead if available. Food in Singapore is really amazing and cheap. Miss it when travelling to other Asian countries. I came back and rested for a while. Decide to pack a bit so that there was no last minute rush next morning. I ventured out at 2 pm. Went to ST 136 but most of the bars were closed and couldn't see any girls either, walked upto Pasteur then back to riverside through St 130. No luck. I then headed towards St 118 and onto further in Street 102 then back to 104. All the places seemed closed or didn't have any decent girl at this time. I went back to the hotel and rested for a while again. My last option was to check Soul Massage as I didn't want to repeat either of the two places I had been to with UV.

I took a tuk tuk to Soul. Every guy knows it and if one dosent better take the next tuk tuk, though it's rare that this would happen. The Soul building is about a 15 minute ride from river side. The tuk tuk guy dropped me outside the lobby. I went in and had read earlier that the massage place is on the 5th floor so I asked the reception of massage and she guided me accordingly. Took the lift and could see the narration beside the buttons indicating the other floors were mostly Karaoke. As I stepped out of the lift there was a counter with 2 mamasan sitting to my right and a fishbowl to my left. I proceeded and stood in front of the fishbowl. Wow. There were approx. 25 to 30 girls inside. Casually dressed meaning no uniform. Some real beauties. APprox 10 odd were really beautiful. I had made my choice and proceeded to the counter and handed over S6 which I had read in the one of the reports on ROD page. The mamasan countered asking $7 so paid another 1 $ and pointed towards the girl I wanted. As they have no nos getting her to identify the girl was some pain. Eventually she came out smiling and took me to a room about 2 doors from the fishbowl door on the left. As we got in another girl joined in. I thought it strange as I had selected only one. The girl whom I had selected told me in broken English that it will be great fun if her friend joins us as well. So she was offering me a threesome which I declined. Her friend sadly left the room. I undressed and asked her to get into the shower. It was extremely hot and I was sweating. I asked her name, said Srey, seems to be a common name amongst local girls there. She had A sized breasts but a very beautiful and clean body. Good butt and a lovely smile. She was trimmed. She was 20 years old. Must be the youngest girl I have been with on this trip. I was happy about my choice. We got into the shower, she cleaned me up. Got back on the bed, ac was working fine and room temperature was getting better. Then she walked towards the bed naked and asked me what I wanted. I said boom boom and asked how much. She said $100. I offered 50 $ to seal the deal and get on with the act. She refused and offered $80. I stayed put at $50 because that was the most I was willing to pay. She still refused. I was getting eager and upped by another $10 to $60 but she was still adamant about $80. She knew she was young and pretty one and maybe other guys paid her but I wasn't going to pay that amount to her. So I got up and walked towards my clothes and said $60 take it or leave it and I am out. She finally agreed and we got onto bed. No massage straight to action. She started stroking me and I got my hands to her pussy and mouth to her tits. I was hard in seconds. I asked her to go down on me to which she refused even with a rubber on. I didn't see it coming. Anyways got her to ride me. She was really tight and took some wriggling to get it in. Lucky she was slightly wet. Could manage only for few seconds and turned her over. Wanted to kiss her lips and tried but she refused again. She said I could kiss her cheeks or neck instead. It was really a shame to have not got a BBBJ or some DFK from such a beauty. I pumped her for few minutes, turned her over and finished in doggy. Laid for a while. Then got up and showered with her and was back to hotel. The is a place to visit only to see some beautiful young khmer girls. Don't expected much in terms of performance if you do visit. I wouldn't repeat for sure unless I was too horny and didn't find anything else.

[I]Overall Experience: 6/10 (No BBBJ and no DFK)[/I]

Got a nap and got some fish amok at a nearby local restaurant. I saw the young tuk tuk lad waiting outside my hotel and told him I would be back in 15 minutes. I reached DD by 9 pm. I went in and got a seat near the bar cash counter. Yada was seated beside me. Exchanged some pleasantries and indicated her that I would not be taking her tonight. But she gave me company. Nursed my JD cola for the next 30 minutes but nothing caught my eye so went out to the casino lobby bar. Saw Akim chatting with a Chinese guy. Other girls didn't seem quite interesting. Sat and listened to few songs being sung by the band in the lobby. They seem to keep the women and children entertained while men gambled away at the tables. Decided to go back to DD. The place had picked up by now, could see few more women who had come in. Luckily the seat besides Yada was still available and I took it up. Got myself a drink. Few minutes later a beautiful slim gazelle joined Yada and they were hugs and chatting and laughter between them. I smiled at the girl and she was definitely potential. I asked Yada about her who told me she was her friend staying in Sihanoukville and had come back to PP after quite some time. She got us introduced. We clicked. I got her and Yada a drink. Her name was Flia. She liked the music and was swaying and laughing. Quite a lively character, quite contrast to my personality and hence attracts me. While chatting Yada asked me whether I wanted to take Flia with me. I was happy that it was being offered without any effort. I nodded and she spoke to Flia and she agreed as well for $100ST. I seemed to like Flia's personality and was hoping for a great session basis of my experiences in the past with girls possessing similar attitude. We were dropped by the young lad back to Hotel. I got kissing as soon as we got into the room and Flia responded well. I was thankful first barrier had been crossed. We settled and got some much and few shots of JD. Off she went to shower while I smoked eagerly in the balcony looking at the beautiful view of the river. I joined in the shower but she had finished and we were in bed quickly. Good DFK followed by a very professional BBBJ. I was extremely happy that Flia seemed to know and do what I was enjoying. I got the rubber on and entered her lying to her side. She was dripping wet by then and it was easy to pump her. Her breasts were a letdown though. A+ sized but saggy hence looked kinda weird. I continued sideways then got her on top of me. She was matching my movements and was responding extremely well. Changed to missionary and got into a good DFK and finished few minutes later in doggy. This had been an amazing experience which is a normal occurrence in LOS and Philippines but was a rare one for me in PP. I was completely satiated. I asked her if she wanted to stay over to which she refused and got cleaned and left in some time. Guess she must be having a baby or BF or someone to return to home early as she didn't discuss any money. I wished that she stayed for the night.

[I]Overall Experience: 7.5/10 (BBBJ and DFK)[/I]

I rested for some time and decided to go to St 136. I reached the bar around 12.30 am and was planning on picking Srey. Unfortunately Srey had called in sick but Nita was there. Didn't really fancy another session with her so sat some time. Got a drink for Nita and the cute young girl whom I had spent time with earlier (no BF one) and myself. Thought about going to another bar but then was tired and didn't want to drink too much being my last night. I did want to have another session though preferably LT. As I was having a good time so stuck around. The mamasan also came over to my table and chatting to me ensuring I was comfortable. In the meantime I was also looking around for potential as there were approx. 10 to 12 more girls in the bar. I had at the back of my mind that if nothing worked would simply go back and sleep as 2 sessions in a day are good enough for me. After some time a girl walked past my table and signaled to me whether I was enjoying. Didn't see her earlier, seemed to be a very beautiful girl with good body. Lovely smile and be sized ones, could guess from her top. She then came back and sat on a stool at the bar and was talking to someone on video chat on her phone but through hand language. The mamasan notice me eyeing her and told me she was a sweet and amazing girl but was unfortunately mute. I was taken in shock upon hearing. She was indeed extremely beautiful and sweet one. I asked mamsan to offer her drink from me. As soon as she saw the drink being kept beside her she looked back and thanked me and signaled that she will come over in few minutes. She did come over. Extremely beautiful up close. I liked her. I asked mamasan about her and said her name was Lika but she didn't BF. She said will check with Lika as I had been a regular to the bar. Some hand signals later mamasan told me that Lika was willing to go with me. I told mamasan I wanted LT till next day afternoon and she confirmed. A LD to mamasan had worked in my favour. Nita who had been sitting beside me now told me she wanted to go home and sleep. I instead suggested that why don't we go over to Pontoon and she could go home from there. I could pay her BF ($10), she agreed. I paid $20 BF for Lika and Nita. We got into Pontoon and got ourselves a drink. Lika seemed to be regular there as the bouncers and waiters knew her and smiled back to her. We got seated outside the VIP area facing the dance floor. Place was packed. Waiter got us our drinks and told me that he knows Lika and she's very kind to him. I acknowledged and smiled back. Lika wanted to dance so we got on the floor did some moves but there were lot of drunk guys in groups making it uncomfortable to dance. Lika didn't like the pushing and rubbing her and we got back to our tables. Few more girls came over and said Hello, to Lika, another girl who also was a mute seemed to be her close friend. They really got chatting and joking in hand language. She indicated to me that Lika have a very good BJ. I just smiled. As these girls left for the loo I saw 2 or 3 girls walk up to the bar. I had seen them earlier in DD tonight. It seems the Brix- Ipanema MO was being repeated here as well. So a good chance that post 2 am you might find DD girls at Pontoon. Lika came back and we decided to call it a night. We got out, had some food at a local joint at the back of pontoon opp HOD club. I had consciously not visited HOD any night post reading the reports on this place in forum earlier.

The tuk tuck lad was waiting for me, dropped Nita on way to hotel. We got in and Lika hit the shower. I finished a shot of JW. Lika came back and got into the sheets signaling me to join her. I had to shower first. As smoking is allowed in Pontoon as well it really messes up with your hair and body. I joined Lika in bed and she was giggling. She was feeling very cool due to the ac which I had bumped up earlier due to the heat outside. We started with a very wet and long DFK. Lika was a complete GFE and liked playing around in bed. She went down on me and gave me a great BBBJ. Her friend had indeed signaled to me correctly regarding her abilities in pontoon earlier. I let her at it for some time. Got the rubber on and had an amazing session with her. Her be sized breast were soft and good tits. Definitely an indication of child which she confirmed. Lika was open to all positions and responded very well. We cuddled up and slept around 5 am.

[I]Overall Experience: 8/10 (BBBJ and DFK)[/I]

[B]August 21 (Day 7: Friday)
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I woke up and saw Lika trying to tickle me and giggling. Some snogging followed. And she was down on me before I could ask her. I found a rubber besides my pillow and handed over to her. She got it on me and rode me for few minutes while I tasted her soft breasts. I was about to come but had to stop her and get her on her back. I entered her in doggy and continued for few minutes before finished on top of her. She continued to giggle and also seem to have enjoyed the session. I asked her if she wanted to stay around and have breakfast. She refused and wanted to get home to her child. I was very happy and tipped her and went down to see her off. I got her into a tuck tuk and she went away. She later txt me that she had reached home and all was well.

[I]Overall experience: 8/10 (BBBJ and DFK)[/I]

I got a shower then headed to Paddys for a full English breakfast. While returning back to Hotel a tuck tuck guy offered me to take for a massage or to beautiful girls " boom boom" I told him that my trip had ended and was going back to Singapore in few hours. He offered me to take me to airport for 12 dollars. I countered with 8 and he agreed. I asked him to come to my hotel at 1. 30 pm. He came on time and dropped me off the airport well in time for my Jetstar flight back to Singapore.

[B]To summarize my experience in Phnom Penh:
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1. I did not find the average Khmer girls as beautiful as the Thai, Viets, Pinays or PRCs. I would rate them after these nationalities. I rarely came across a stunner or an extremely beautiful girl including public places. That being said Khmer women have a different body structure and are short but well-endowed compared to Thai or PRC girls. Khmer girls are also very docile and sweet. Didn't come across any aggressive one in any of my experience which is definitely a plus. They have slowly started to grow on me. Khmer girls were very open to taking their pics (except massage ones). I have clicked some for personal consumption only.

2. PP is definitely not cheap. The tuck tuck ($1) and drinks cost ($3 in hostess bars) add up fast. Besides I found food comparatively expensive with an average meal at local joints costing upto $5 or $8 including a nonalcoholic beverage even compared to Singapore food courts. Costs I. E. $50ST and $70 LT are at par with Pattaya and AC but cheaper compared to Soi Cowboy / Nana or Makati gogos.

3. The jealousy factor does not seem to exist here. You can walk into any bar and BF different girls every night from the same bar. You don't have to feel guilty or obligated to reconnect with the girl you have bfined earlier. No awkward feelings. None of the girls latch on to you claiming that you are their customer on repeat visits. They don't even sit on your table unless you invite them. I liked this very much. I experienced this in the hostess bar as well as DD.

4. DFK and BBJ is a hit and miss. Definitely not a given or default service especially with young girls. You need to be open to proceed without them being offered most of the times. Even when a girl says she does BJ there is no way to ascertain the expertise which is a given mostly with Thai girls or Pinays.

5. The massage scene is mediocre at the very best. Issue is that as there is nothing much else to do during daytime (afternoons) and this is the only option available. Hostess bars generally start building crowd from 6 pm onwards. They however close late by 3 am or can stay open till 5 or 6 am if they are hosting customers.

6. I didn't experience any potential Mall scene like BKK or Manila here. All I could see were families or groups having a great time.

7. Darlin Darlin was amazing whereas Pontoon was a complete miss for me. I wanted to try Epic or other clubs but time didn't permit. However night club scene is good and one can definitely pick up something for the night.

8. Social media scene is not very encouraging. Mostly ladyboys or extremely below average women on Wechat. Not many responses on other apps. Don't bank on social apps once you are here. If you have pipelined then it might be a different experience.

9. Language was not much of an issue. Basic English of girls or google translate always helped.

10. I would definitely recommend PP as a repeat destination basis of my single visit. I liked the change of pace and scenery. It does deserve a visit if you have not been here even once. I really liked it here despite the initial hiccups and enjoyed towards the end of my trip. Maybe the gods of Angkor what blessed me after the visit to SR. I surely will revisit and hope I am able to club Sihanoukville in my next trip.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1767339][B]To summarize my experience in Phnom Penh:
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.[/QUOTE]Thanks for taking the time to write this report. Nice!

Illusionheart.

The $100 and $150 prices quoted there, Is that in US Dollar? Or Other?

Seems a bit on the high side, although I never been there.

[QUOTE=JpSlicky;1767711]Illusionheart.

The $100 and $150 prices quoted there, Is that in US Dollar? Or Other?

Seems a bit on the high side, although I never been there.[/QUOTE]In Cambodia all prices are indeed quoted in US Dollar. Even the ATMs give out USD rather than the local currency.

I have read before that Cambo ladies went for 25 to 40 USD. Has there been a big jump in what they are asking? For the price and their unwillingness to even kiss, they do not seem much of a draw.

Sorry if I am being a troll, it just seems based on the wonderful reports IH did, its very expensive to monger there now?

[QUOTE=JpSlicky;1767711]
The $100 and $150 prices quoted there, Is that in US Dollar? Seems a bit on the high side, although I never been there.[/QUOTE]Everthing is in Dollars except the change from a dollar.

There are plenty of Khmer girls that can be had for less than $100 in the $20 to $40 range, but its quite obvious Illusion Heart was looking for top quality and I am glad to see he found it. I want to thank him for his excellent reportage. What I have experienced with the top tier girls of Darling Darling is that after the first time (always $100/ ST) the girls became much less concerned with money and much more lovingly GFE. Their price was still fixed at $100 for some quirky reason, but ST morphed into LT without my even asking for it and the girls all wanted to see me again and again, LOL, which leads me to extrapolate that if I were an expat resident in Phnom Penh the girly prices would drop dramatically, girls would be texting me constantly asking if they could come over, and the issue of does she barfine or doesn't she barfine in reference to hostess girls would completely disappear. They would all barfine. Khmer girls are funny that way. The key thing to keep in mind therefor is: Phnom Penh is NOT like Pattaya or AC and I think you will be very disappointed if you expect click bang point and shoot service. Illusion Heart demonstrated in his report that he had the patience and wherewithal to deal with Khmer girl's idiosyncrasies and his patience paid off especially towards the end of his trip. I will have more to say about his trip report later.

[QUOTE=JpSlicky;1767724]I have read before that Cambo ladies went for 25 to 40 USD. Has there been a big jump in what they are asking? For the price and their unwillingness to even kiss, they do not seem much of a draw.

Sorry if I am being a troll, it just seems based on the wonderful reports IH did, its very expensive to monger there now?[/QUOTE]JP, As confirmed by Wolvenvacht and Natty prices are in USD. I could never get my head around the local currency Riel but that is what I got when the transaction dropped below a dollar especially at 7/11 kinda stores or local restaurants. The conversion approx came to 4000 Riel: 1 USD.

Prices are expensive but I was looking for the best possible girl within a price range (ST max $100 and LT max $150). I never bargained ST cost at hostess bars when quoted $50. I guess you can try for $40ST + $10 BF which is definitely possible or even try $30, you might just get lucky. I would rather give that extra $10 for a chance of great experience. All the girls were extremely sweet and I never got any attitude or discomfort from them. Extremely humble and gave all attention without getting busy on their smartphones, maybe I was lucky.

[B]Natty [/B]you were absolutely right. I did enjoy my stay there and am sure Uncle Volodya also did. It was more fun with him. We were like minded souls searching for common goal together.
Regarding Singapore update I had promised you: I got back to Singapore on friday and being in the mood i visited geylang and OT. The PRC houses were shut in Geylang due to some local chinese function but the Thai houses were open. Didnt find much to my liking. Streets were empty as the entire westerhout road was blocked and dinner arrangement was made on the road. I went to Ipanema in the night, few lookers there but the overall choice and nos were very low. Engaged with one and got a quote of 200 SGD ST. Didnt even bother bargaining as i wanted to get a feel of current price.

Went to Ipanema again on saturday night and it was a sausage fest. Trust me didnt even engage with a single girl. Mostly mature ones. Both days i had been around 11 pm onwards.

I guess i am gonna save my SGD 23 entry drink money for a future trip in November. Dont bother a stopover here unless you plan to visit Batam.

IH Wol and Natty.

Thanks for the info, enjoyed your story, great read.

Phnom Penh is best place to get good Viet girls, even better more convenient than HCM. I don't find Khmer girls attractive, I come here mostly for quality Viet girls. This trip spent a week and no problem getting really 2 beautiful Viet girl in Darling Darling. The first one was really sweet and beautiful, bought snack and beer on the way to hotel room with her own money. Kiss me all night that I could not sleep and did her a few rounds, never complained. Include morning shot bare shot out of condom. Ended up taking her 3 straight nights. 100 a night this Viet girl was worth it much more than these soapie girls in BKK or gogo in Cowboy. The third night I gave her 200, she appreciated so much she stayed till next evening and basically let me do anything and even insisted me to bare back her the last shot. I should not have done that again but with this kind of young fresh beauty, I am weak too weak.

I had to take 2 nights break due to very bad diarrhea that even Imodium could not stop. After stomach felt better, went back Darling Darling, saw the same Viet girl, but I told her I like to get a different girl, she was cool, even introduced her friends but not my type. Saw a few nice Khmer girls but I have decided to get another Viet girl. Many nice ones and hard to pick one. I pick another young Viet girl dressed in very high fashion with very expensive iPhone. Very sweet and gentle, she asked 150, but 100 was okay. After the first shot, she told me have to go to deliver something to another friend, she said she would come back morning for another shot. I let her go and paid her 100, I knew it's a runner, I never try to stop runner. But really surprised me she really came back the next day at 9 AM, and offer me her body, I was so hard on that morning, it was good, gave her another 40 as present of being so honest.

In my experiences these 100 USD up high classy ladies are worth their money, they know they have to provide happiness, they have been paid a great deal, be back for some more nice Viet girls in Nov.

I've been to Phnom Penh a few times, and for the most part I agree in that I don't find the girls in the streets too attractive. You won't find my turning my head too often there as compared with Thailand and the Philippines, but I can't ditch the feeling that there may be more to Phnom Penh than meets the eye. I read somewhere that the best girls are usually in the karaokes where the locals go and the game isn't straight forward nor guaranteed. Knowing the language would probably help a great deal.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1768579]Phnom Penh is best place to get good Viet girls, even better more convenient than HCM. I don't find Khmer girls attractive, I come here mostly for quality Viet girls. This trip spent a week and no problem getting really 2 beautiful Viet girl in Darling Darling. The first one was really sweet and beautiful, bought snack and beer on the way to hotel room with her own money. Kiss me all night that I could not sleep and did her a few rounds, never complained. Include morning shot bare shot out of condom. Ended up taking her 3 straight nights. 100 a night this Viet girl was worth it much more than these soapie girls in BKK or gogo in Cowboy. The third night I gave her 200, she appreciated so much she stayed till next evening and basically let me do anything and even insisted me to bare back her the last shot. I should not have done that again but with this kind of young fresh beauty, I am weak too weak.

I had to take 2 nights break due to very bad diarrhea that even Imodium could not stop. After stomach felt better, went back Darling Darling, saw the same Viet girl, but I told her I like to get a different girl, she was cool, even introduced her friends but not my type. Saw a few nice Khmer girls but I have decided to get another Viet girl. Many nice ones and hard to pick one. I pick another young Viet girl dressed in very high fashion with very expensive iPhone. Very sweet and gentle, she asked 150, but 100 was okay. After the first shot, she told me have to go to deliver something to another friend, she said she would come back morning for another shot. I let her go and paid her 100, I knew it's a runner, I never try to stop runner..[/QUOTE]

Wow. Great reports by Illusion Heart!! Very comprehensive!! Glad you enjoyed!

Was in in PP again on the way home this week and had an enjoyable time as usual. There is a lot more to Phnom Penh than meets the eye as Kazau says in the post below and it's the kind of place that pays to put in a bit of effort. On the strength of my last visit I headed straight back to Honeypot bar on street 130 which turned out to be a huge night and lots of laughs. Lot of very pretty girls, naughty and flirty and I ended up ringing the bell when I wasn't even drunk.! First time for everything! A lot of their girls seem new and my girl Niang (came from working in a shirt factory so was fresh and enjoying working in the bar and not really like many bar girls! I really liked that. I don't think you need to pay $100 (or more! To have a stunning girl with you all night!! Just don't expect it like Pattaya or Angeles where you walk in and seal the deal in 10 minutes - (except at Cyrcee where 10 minutes would be a long relationship. LOL!) Build some rapport and it will pay off.

Avoided Pontoon and had an an epic night at "Epic". Different class of Khmer girls there and not the place to wear flip flops and shorts. And you need to be careful to scout out if the girl is with a big spending group on locals before approaching but making an effort to be fun and buy a few rounds of drinks for a group of girls and one will go with you.

Did not have time to explore any more Karaokes but as I have said before, definitely a big pool of girls if you are prepared to invest a bit of time.

Cheers to all.

Bubba.

I know this question must make me sound like an old-timer, but what's going on with Martini's these days? Does it still exist? How does it compare to other places around town? What was great about that place back in the olden days was that you could be sure that every female in the place was there for one reason only, to get a customer. And it was ground central for all the freelancers in town, the ones available to foreigners at least.

I hear about Pontoon nowadays, has that completely replaced Martini's?

My last time in Cambodia was a few years ago, and I went there once every few years before that, sometimes up to a month, sometimes a week or 2, sometimes just a few days. Over that time, Martini's got worse and worse until the last time I was there it was barely worth visiting. Maybe one night there, but not again on a trip.

Martini is closed.

[QUOTE=PrisonBreak;1774903]Martini is closed.[/QUOTE]Wow, when did that happen? By that time, was it so dead that it was barely noticed? Or did it go out with a bang? That place was from back in the early early days, the early 90's or so. I first went there in 2001, at its old location in the southwest corner of the city (off Mao Tse Tung Blvd). In those days, it was THE place in the city to go for us westerners.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1768579]Phnom Penh is best place to get good Viet girls, even better more convenient than HCM. I don't find Khmer girls attractive, I come here mostly for quality Viet girls. This trip spent a week and no problem getting really 2 beautiful Viet girl in Darling Darling. The first one was really sweet and beautiful, bought snack and beer on the way to hotel room with her own money. Kiss me all night that I could not sleep and did her a few rounds, never complained. Include morning shot bare shot out of condom. Ended up taking her 3 straight nights. 100 a night this Viet girl was worth it much more than these soapie girls in BKK or gogo in Cowboy. The third night I gave her 200, she appreciated so much she stayed till next evening and basically let me do anything and even insisted me to bare back her the last shot. I should not have done that again but with this kind of young fresh beauty, I am weak too weak.[/QUOTE]Um, yes it has always been the place for Viet girls. 100 USD now. Jeez. Back in the early 2000's they were 20 USD all night. 5 USD ST. That is a huge price increase. Amazing really.

Yes, as of September, Martinis's is officially closed. The lease ran out and the landlord wanted triple the last contract. Profit was already at a minimum so it's closed. Plenty of other places still though although I think this really stamps the end of an era.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1775060]Um, yes it has always been the place for Viet girls. 100 USD now. Jeez. Back in the early 2000's they were 20 USD all night. 5 USD ST. That is a huge price increase. Amazing really.[/QUOTE]100 is the rate for the high end ones in discos and some high class karaokes. It's crazy that many these high flyers are now trying to get 150ST. I was quoted many times at 150 first. I am sure not long from now it could be the standard rate. Phnom Penh is surely getting more and more expensive. Any reasonable looking lady will try to get at least 70 LT now in clubs, hostess bars or discos. Bargain seems getting harder and harder.

For Viet girls, there are still virtually 100's of brothels disguised as salon, coffee shops, restaurants, I think the Khmer locals still can get it for 15, but I have been a few times these Viet houses in Phnom Penh, and always paid 25-30. Never got anything under that, but tuk tuk driver told me locals get for 15 but foreigners pay about double. I have seen some very doable ones but the risk is higher because you do the deeds inside, there are all kinds of cheats and scams happened to foriegners in these Viet houses. I still feel a little uneasy when I visit these Viet joints alone. The Svay Pak era was much more honest back then.

Phnom Penh is nice to hang out, not the cheap sex capital anymore, there is no more 5 dollar yum yum house, the cheapest you can get is 15-30 high risk Viet joints.

Thanks for the kind words my friend. You definitely made my trip. It would have been a lot less fun if we hadn't met up. I have found a kindrid spirit indeed.

I promise to get my report up soon. I basically agree with 100% of what you've written. But may be my impressions here and there will be a little different.

I liked PP and think it deserves another visit. Though it will always be behind Patts, BKK and AC in my list of preferences. In retrospect I think that maybe we needed to focus on Darling Darling more. But we had a very short time to explore together. I hoep we can make that up soon!

Huge hugs,

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=IllusionHeart;1767958]JP, As confirmed by Wolvenvacht and Natty prices are in USD. I could never get my head around the local currency Riel but that is what I got when the transaction dropped below a dollar especially at 7/11 kinda stores or local restaurants. The conversion approx came to 4000 Riel: 1 USD.

Prices are expensive but I was looking for the best possible girl within a price range (ST max $100 and LT max $150). I never bargained ST cost at hostess bars when quoted $50. I guess you can try for $40ST + $10 BF which is definitely possible or even try $30, you might just get lucky. I would rather give that extra $10 for a chance of great experience. All the girls were extremely sweet and I never got any attitude or discomfort from them. Extremely humble and gave all attention without getting busy on their smartphones, maybe I was lucky.

[B]Natty [/B]you were absolutely right. I did enjoy my stay there and am sure Uncle Volodya also did. It was more fun with him. We were like minded souls searching for common goal together.
Regarding Singapore update I had promised you: I got back to Singapore on friday and being in the mood i visited geylang and OT. The PRC houses were shut in Geylang due to some local chinese function but the Thai houses were open. Didnt find much to my liking. Streets were empty as the entire westerhout road was blocked and dinner arrangement was made on the road. I went to Ipanema in the night, few lookers there but the overall choice and nos were very low. Engaged with one and got a quote of 200 SGD ST. Didnt even bother bargaining as i wanted to get a feel of current price.

Went to Ipanema again on saturday night and it was a sausage fest. Trust me didnt even engage with a single girl. Mostly mature ones. Both days i had been around 11 pm onwards.

I guess i am gonna save my SGD 23 entry drink money for a future trip in November. Dont bother a stopover here unless you plan to visit Batam.[/QUOTE]

Arrived in PP at 5 pm last Friday and after eating went to 136 Street around 8 pm.

Started off in Sizzlers and then did a bar trawl through to Honeypot and Loco in 130 Street.

Plenty of girls in most of the bars so immediately surrounded when walking in so you have to be selective as they all want to get in on the LDs.

I know well that choice is a subjective matter but I found plenty of girls good enough to my taste and most spoke English quite well.

The girls seemed much more laid back in their approach and I found this quite charming and most seemed to have a good sense of humour.

I did go to the Golden Vine, 108 Street on my way to 136 Street on the 2nd night but I found the atmosphere not to my liking so only stayed for 1 beer.

I BF'd a girl from the 136 bar in 136 Street, BF 10 USD and she was more than happy to go for 50 USD for LT, full service except A.

My 2 companions got the same deal, again 1 girl from the 136 bar and the other was from the Xanadu bar next door.

We kept the same girls for the weekend and as a first time visitor I throughly enjoyed the experience and it made a refreshing change from scene in BKK and Patts.

I shall return later in the year to explore further.

[QUOTE=HollowMan;1775246]Yes, as of September, Martinis's is officially closed. The lease ran out and the landlord wanted triple the last contract. Profit was already at a minimum so it's closed. Plenty of other places still though although I think this really stamps the end of an era.[/QUOTE]Was business pretty dead there near the end? I was there about 2 years ago and the number and quality of girls available there was drastically worse than on previous visits. In early 2000's it was the best place in town to hook up with a girl, by far.

On my last ever visit, I spotted ONE kind of strange girl there who I thought was hot. She was tall and lean, pretty face, and she only stayed at one of the outside tables near the entrance, she would not go inside to the courtyard or dance floor. She seemed standoffish. And actually when I approached her to try to talk, she brushed me off, not interested. With that, at about 11 pm, I gave up on the place and moved on. I bounced around town from bar to bar and did not connect with anything the rest of the night. Finally I went home by motorbike taxi, and as I was getting dropped off in front of my guesthouse, who is walking in front of the entrance but this exact same girl. I said Hello,. This time, very different attitude. I asked Where you go? Within a minute we had agreed to her coming to visit me upstairs. She was actually quite good, generous, all good. She didn't want to leave. I had an early morning flight (stupid scheduling!) and was just far too tired to do any more, so I had to kick her out. Half an hour after she left, a knock on my door, she wanted to know if she could stay the night. Ugh. I wasn't too comfortable with that, had no more energy to screw, so had to say no. A pity because she was really quite hot and good in bed.

The good old days: at one of the old locations there was a short time hotel across the parking lot. You could negotiate a quickie short time for about $10. I think that was the 2nd location, maybe some veterans here can help on this (or else the first location remodeled.).

Martini, Rest in PPeace.

[QUOTE=Juicyclamlover;1775447]Arrived in PP at 5 pm last Friday and after eating went to 136 Street around 8 pm.

Started off in Sizzlers and then did a bar trawl through to Honeypot and Loco in 130 Street.

Plenty of girls in most of the bars so immediately surrounded when walking in so you have to be selective as they all want to get in on the LDs.

I know well that choice is a subjective matter but I found plenty of girls good enough to my taste and most spoke English quite well.

The girls seemed much more laid back in their approach and I found this quite charming and most seemed to have a good sense of humour.

I did go to the Golden Vine, 108 Street on my way to 136 Street on the 2nd night but I found the atmosphere not to my liking so only stayed for 1 beer.

I BF'd a girl from the 136 bar in 136 Street, BF 10 USD and she was more than happy to go for 50 USD for LT, full service except A.

My 2 companions got the same deal, again 1 girl from the 136 bar and the other was from the Xanadu bar next door.

We kept the same girls for the weekend and as a first time visitor I throughly enjoyed the experience and it made a refreshing change from scene in BKK and Patts.

I shall return later in the year to explore further.[/QUOTE]Interesting report 'Juicyclamlover'.

In which hotel did you stay and do you remember you the rate?

Just wanted to warn that Frangipani Royal Palace hotel is not girl-friendly. It is located near the river, mid-priced and gets otherwise good reviews on Tripadvisor.

Upon checking-in, the staff tell guests that "outside guests to the room are not allowed".

[QUOTE=LoveTool;1776258]
The good old days: at one of the old locations there was a short time hotel across the parking lot.

Martini, Rest in PPeace.[/QUOTE]I seem to recall that one, I think at the 2nd location. There was also a massage parlor next door, run by a Thai mamasan. She had a nice selection of Thai and Viet girls. This was before the Khmer girls really started getting into the game.

Speaking of the end of an era, Cathouse also closed down a few months ago and has already been gutted. That and Martini were pretty much the only places in town when I first got there back in the UNTAC days. Not even Sharky was going yet. Sigh. . . .

[QUOTE=DelBosque;1776750]Interesting report 'Juicyclamlover'.

In which hotel did you stay and do you remember you the rate?[/QUOTE]I stayed at the Sundance Inn and Saloon on 172 Street, I paid 28 USD a night.

Cheers JCL.

[QUOTE=Betong;1777370]I seem to recall that one, I think at the 2nd location. There was also a massage parlor next door, run by a Thai mamasan. She had a nice selection of Thai and Viet girls. This was before the Khmer girls really started getting into the game.

Speaking of the end of an era, Cathouse also closed down a few months ago and has already been gutted. That and Martini were pretty much the only places in town when I first got there back in the UNTAC days. Not even Sharky was going yet. Sigh. . . .[/QUOTE]It was the very first place I ever picked up at in Cambodia. I heard about it before arriving, took the bus from Saigon to PP in pouring rain, that horrible road back in 2001, the trip took all day, we arrived around 6 or 7 pm in a driving down pour to the Capitol Guesthouse. I was slow getting off the bus (minivan really, packed tight, a very creaky one that bounced around all day over the potholes and driving through deep water and sliding in thick mud) and so there were no decent rooms left, though there was the choice of heading out into that monsoon to try to get a room at another nearby guesthouse, which would mean becoming as wet as a fish immediately. Anyway, my only option was the $1 room. The top price of $5 was scary enough. I took it. Brought up there, it was basically a prison cell. The bed was a plain metal frame with a thin mattress on it, no sheets or pillow (I think they brought a pillow later) and that's all in a cement room with no windows. The bathroom was dirty and just a toilet and small sink, also a cheap cold water only very basic shower attached to the wall. There were some small openings about one foot long and maybe 4 inches high up near the ceiling, the only way air could get into the room when the door was closed.

But that night I got on a motorbike and was whisked off to the old original Martini. The offerings didn't seem to attractive, especially not after seeing so many great hotties in Saigon in previous days. Finally at about 2 am or so I spotted a very cute (18) and a bit buxom Khmer girl with dark complexion, very pretty, and worked out the deal for $20 overnight. Back on my prison bed she was very starfish. Pretty uneventful, and I was so tired by then that I couldn't give my best effort, wanted to sleep. I don't remember if she really stayed the whole night or not. But I remember how incredible it seemed knowing that one could have this, such a hot girl, for just $20 for the whole night. It didn't occur to me then that that scene wouldn't even last a couple more years. It kept going, but the prices gradually climbed up, other types of places opened and drained off the talent and now it's gone for good.

Hi folks,

Planning to go to PP soon for the first time.

Any recommendations for a high end hotel that is guest friendly?

I know most requests are for inexpensive places but cost is not really a consideration, so I would like the nicest place possible that is also guest friendly.

Don't worry I will bargain appropriately when out on the town. Not looking to drive inflation.

But for accommodation, I would like a hotel that's as nice / upscale as possible while also allowing guests.

Thanks for any advice.

Bill

[QUOTE=Betong;1777370]Cathouse also closed down a few months ago and has already been gutted. That and Martini were pretty much the only places in town when I first got there back in the UNTAC days. Not even Sharky was going yet. Sigh. . . .[/QUOTE]I am on my way to Phnom Penh again, second time in a month and half, something is attracting me there. About the Viet joints, they are still everywhere, now they are disguised as all sort of shops. Last trip I rode a motorbike around town and found many them as salon shops, massage shops, and restaurants. These joints usually have 3-5 ladies, but I heard from other expats stealing and scams are rampant. If you ride a motorcycle slowly around town, and see some guy waves at you or call out to you, it's probably Viet joint.

I know the local price is 15, but I never was able to bargain down to that. A motodop driver I know before wants to take me to some newly open Viet joints outside of town this coming trip. I will see how it goes.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1777841]I am on my way to Phnom Penh again, second time in a month and half, something is attracting me there. About the Viet joints, they are still everywhere, now they are disguised as all sort of shops. Last trip I rode a motorbike around town and found many them as salon shops, massage shops, and restaurants. These joints usually have 3-5 ladies, but I heard from other expats stealing and scams are rampant. If you ride a motorcycle slowly around town, and see some guy waves at you or call out to you, it's probably Viet joint.

I know the local price is 15, but I never was able to bargain down to that. A motodop driver I know before wants to take me to some newly open Viet joints outside of town this coming trip. I will see how it goes.[/QUOTE]Shin,

I will be heading out to PP in 2 weeks. Let me know if you want to monger out.

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[QUOTE=BillyJ;1777838]Hi folks,

Planning to go to PP soon for the first time.

Any recommendations for a high end hotel that is guest friendly?

I know most requests are for inexpensive places but cost is not really a consideration, so I would like the nicest place possible that is also guest friendly.

Don't worry I will bargain appropriately when out on the town. Not looking to drive inflation.

But for accommodation, I would like a hotel that's as nice / upscale as possible while also allowing guests.

Thanks for any advice.

Bill[/QUOTE]To Billy.

The Naga World hotel and entertainment complex one of the nicest and new hotel on the river front. It have a casino, Sauna, KTV and a night club with FL inside the hotel room is under 100 usd a night hotel here is cheap by average compare to Bangkok.

Fast eddie 48.

[QUOTE=Juicyclamlover;1777595]I stayed at the Sundance Inn and Saloon on 172 Street, I paid 28 USD a night.

Cheers JCL.[/QUOTE]Thanks JCL.

[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1778053]To Billy.

The Naga World hotel and entertainment complex one of the nicest and new hotel on the river front. It have a casino, Sauna, KTV and a night club with FL inside the hotel room is under 100 usd a night hotel here is cheap by average compare to Bangkok.

Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]That sounds very nice actually. They will allow guests for sure?

Have you ever stayed there? Do they have good internet?

Thanks again for the input, will post report if I wind up going there.

Thanks!

Bill.

I have been in Phnom Penh for 2 days. This trip I wanted to check some places outside the tourist zones. I tried a few tuk tuk drivers, but most of them take me to these small Viet joints disguised as other business or massage parlours, one young tuktuk took me to some place near airport with karaoke style setting, there I found a ridiculously cute Cambodian girl. I think I paid much more than locals pay and the tuk tuk commission on top, I paid her to go a day and half from 10 PM to next 7 PM, I felt a bit wasted the money, 180 USD, that was all I could get down from 250 they demanded. But the girl must be poor still using these phone that has no color or picture function. And her pussy seems quite big compare her age. And she completely clueless about the most basic English. A GF session half condom then half bb because she saw I could not come, she took off for me. I got bored after one shot, her English level was non existent, I set her free at 3 AM, try to ask me taxi money 10, but I refused.

Next day, I found a shop near Russian market advertise as karaoke, but there were 8 Viet girls, 2 were very doable, but the papasan does not allow over night, allow ST outside visit, I took one to my room for 60, I still prefer Viet, they simply more fun in bed than Khmer. The night went to Darling, and had the worst session from there in about 15 tries. I did not pick the girl but this Khmer girl was next to me at the bar, and danced and rubbed her pussy on my knees, I thought she would be a good performer, I was wrong, the first early runner I had in Cambodia. 100 USD for WTF 40 min, terrible BBBJ, and phone rang all the time. I think next 3 days, I would not pick Khmer girl, I just focus on Viet, personally I always have more fun with Viet.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1778973] I think next 3 days, I would not pick Khmer girl, I just focus on Viet, personally I always have more fun with Viet.[/QUOTE]To me it sounds like you happened to have some bad luck with some girls who happened to be Cambodian, and good luck with ones who happened to be Vietnamese. I think it's inevitable that you'll have good luck with a Cambodian girl if you keep meeting them, and likewise bad luck with a Vietnamese one. In other words, there's no hard rule that Cambodian girls are bad and Vietnamese are good. I've had fantastic Cambodian girls, and Vietnamese girls from hell, in Phnom Penh. Bad luck comes with the territory in this hobby. But so does good luck. Only way to get that is to dust oneself off and get back out there. I surely wouldn't advise ruling out pursuit of Cambodian girls in Cambodia.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1779095]To me it sounds like you happened to have some bad luck with some girls who happened to be Cambodian, and good luck with ones who happened to be Vietnamese. I think it's inevitable that you'll have good luck with a Cambodian girl if you keep meeting them, and likewise bad luck with a Vietnamese one. In other words, there's no hard rule that Cambodian girls are bad and Vietnamese are good. I've had fantastic Cambodian girls, and Vietnamese girls from hell.[/QUOTE]Good thing is that I never had any horrendous session in Cambodia, at least all forgivable at worst. Unlike in Thailand I really had quite a few temper flaring experiences. In my experience in Cambodia, Khmers girls lots of them don't BJ at all and others give very very bad BJ at best, I rarely got satisfying BJ from Khmer. Also more shy, like they insist take shower alone or cover up with towels all the time and hurriedly sneak in the blanket, things like that kind of turn me off. But may turn on for others. Viet girls in my experiences, laugh more, more open, give good BJ, and for me they are more attractive in appearance than Khmers.

I will keep trying Khmer if I find cute ones since I am in Cambo, but will take more Viets since more guarantee for me.

I was walking around the riverside, there is a street I think parallel to 130, maybe the next one, there are many very local karaoke KTV with Viet or Khmers girls, I walked by and inquired, they all reluctant to showed me inside at first, some even waved me away, but several pimps outside finally let me in, all these shops had about 4-6 ladies mixed Viet / Khmer, with rooms inside, they all tried to rip me off, 40-60 Usd they told, I know locals pay 15 or less, but I saw one really out of place extreme cute Viet girl again, the pimp insisted 60, but after 10 min bargain, best I could do was 50, and crap I saw a local guy came in and pay 15 and the pimp was trying to hide the amount from me, the room was quite dirty, I requested to go outside ST room also worry of getting wallet stolen, plus 10, pimp took us on his bike to a nearby ST room.

This girl was so pretty, just turned 18 got her first passport, and came with another girl, but I think has been scouted by Chinese, going to work in Macau soon. She was very patient chatting with me through google translate. Ended up going back her shop one hour late, the pimp charged me extra 20. I negotiated all night tomorrow from 10 PM to noon, pimp won't release her earlier than that, cost 120. No hidden gems stay long here. Found one use it as much as you can before it disappears.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1779193]
I will keep trying Khmer if I find cute ones since I am in Cambo, but will take more Viets since more guarantee for me.

I was walking around the riverside, ...[/QUOTE]Yeah as I remember on certain ones I hooked up with in Cambodia in the past, one was a super fine little one I got from Martini, Khmer, great attitude, though I can't remember whether she did BJ or not. Once I got two Khmer girls, again Martini, one had terrible attitude and the other was maybe my best (Khmer) ever, in terms of attitude at least. Naturaly the other one was cuter. Oh well. They were pals and wanted to go together if I'd take them, my eye was on the tall thin one in the club, then when I got them in the light of the room I thought holy f*ing crow, her little friend is amazingly hot. Made the mistake of doing the tall one first and blowing load there, didn't have the oomph to do the little one right after that. Couldn't get it up, basically. It was like, how can I not get it up for this one? The idea of both of them together seemed great at the club. But back in the room, whoever's turn it wasn't would wait in the bathroom, their idea. Khmer threesome they call that, I think. For what it's worth, the tall one just wanted to do it again and again and again and again, finally I asked her to leave late afternoon of the next day. For some reason my Viets in PP aren't as memorable. My Viets in Vietnam, whole other story.

You might be right about the tendencies of Khmer and Viet girls, in Cambodia at least. Back in the day, that would have been because the Viets were being brought in (from Mekong area mainly) and were being trained, thus had the skills and willingness. But that's been mostly blocked, as far as I know, for years now, so I'm not sure why these days the Viets would be such better performers.

Almost forgot, good find with that karaoke. I finally got braver on later visits and found some places like that, one was a kind of fishbowl upstairs with 10 or so girls, guys sitting on sofas around the room outside. Nothing great. Cheap, at that time, $10 or $15. But one of the most soulless experiences you could find. I decided not to try. Had I seen one like you found in the fishbowl it might have turned out different.

[QUOTE=BillyJ;1778353]That sounds very nice actually. They will allow guests for sure?

Have you ever stayed there? Do they have good internet?

Thanks again for the input, will post report if I wind up going there.

Thanks!

Bill.[/QUOTE]To Billy.

The Naga are girl friendly that is why they call it the Entertaiment complex you got all the action there, There are not many hotel in PP that are not girl friend only one I know is the Raffle that is a classy hotel.

Fast eddie 48.

Hello friends,

I am new here and from Singapore. I am planning a 10 day vacation in either Pattaya / Bangkok OR Cambodia (Siem Reap / Phnom Penh).

Now I have been to Bangkok last year and the girls there were good but a little rude. My question is:

How is the sex scene in Siem Reap / Phnom Penh compared to Bangkok? Non existent or very bad or good enough? If I stay in Siem for 3 days, how easy is it to get variety of girls for night to my hotel? If I can get girls easily (I am brown skinned and not white farang), I will not go to Bangkok this time and just go to Siem Reap / Phnom Penh. That way, I can also visit Angkor what!

At Robertbsm: Can you please PM me sir about your girls details?

Thank you.

I was free all day until 10 PM to pick up my little Viet girl I booked yesterday. I rode my motorbike around town, and found just incredibly many brothel joints in camouflage. In the BKK 1 area I found some joints disguised as coffee shops. There was one shop on a side street of Mao Tse Tung Avenue advertised as Vietnam coffee, so went in and felt the vibe was strange. There were 5 waitresses and a several smiled at me. I ordered a ice coffee and tried to chat with the waitresses, and confirmed it is also a sex joint. I realized the girls and an older lady probably the mama were discussing how much to quote me. One of the lady said in English 40. But I said 30, they accepted without hesitation, so must be cheaper like 15-20. If locals pay 15-20, I am willing to pay 10-15 more, because these places do not need our business, actually they think we foriegners are a annoyance to their business and a danger to their business. To me it's a privilege to enter their hidden realm, so I do not mind to pay a little more for the special prvilege.

All these girls are doable, no one is special but all young and tight. My girl offer BBBJ for extra 5, even mention BB for extra 20, did not take the offer but I did not come, was a bit nervous looking closely at my wallet and mobile.

On the way back to my hotel near Sorya Mall, I found another suspicious restaurant with 4 ladies sitting inside, the sign is Khmer I think they serve hot pot. I went in to check and I wanted to order, but could feel the vibe it's not really a food place. There was 1 cute one, I asked I want to order food, but seems they only have drink, ordered a Cambodia beer, I pointed to the cute one the finger sign upstairs, there was no mama or papa at that time, only the 4 ladies, she used fingers sign to tell me 25 ok ok, I paid 25 and she took me to the back room, I felt easier here because no pimp around, we chatted a bit with google, she is new to Cambo she said she goes home after 2 months and not coming back. I had trouble come again, and again these Viet girls always just rip off your condom and stick it in, I feel bad that I bareback several already in this pattern. I decided next time, I don't come I just use hand or leave it. Gave her 20 tip. She was very happy.

The traditional brothels are mostly closed, but all these joints in different camouflage sprung up in every part of the city. Must be very convenient for these local guys. This is really heaven.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1779823]
The traditional brothels are mostly closed, but all these joints in different camouflage sprung up in every part of the city. Must be very convenient for these local guys. This is really heaven.[/QUOTE]This is a good discovery. Just an idea, but do you think you could share the location of one of these places? This way someone can go have a look and then have the know-how to be able to recognize them elsewhere.

So after my last posting and replies of FFS-RTFT.

I did!

In fact I have read the entire 95 pages of the 2002-2006 PP locked thread.

And the last 25-30 pages of the most recent threads.

As there are over 400 pages in the new thread I won't be reading every single one of them.

And I think I have read enough of them now to come back and ask some questions as to the missing gaps / dates of the 400 pages I have not read.

I read in the first section that the prices where $5-$10 dollar ST and $15-$20 LT.

But looking at the most recent 25 pages it would appear that the prices have gone up 500% making it just a little bit cheaper to go then stay at home.

Has this little secret corner of the world now been exposed by NGOs (disguised new age plastic aristocratic civil servants IMHO because 99% of the.

Charity funds come from western governments; UK class example) and are now a big tourists haven of false pretenses just like rip off Thailand.

Because if it is $40/$50 dollars for ST I will stay at home or go ells where not for a 40 yo fat old hag.

But I need to find out more information before I make that decision and ask some question about the postings I have read.

Also at the beginning it was stated not to pay more then 1000 riel for a moto ride as the average earnings in Cambodia are or where a dollar a day.

And later I hear of people paying $4/$5 dollar for this. So what is the crack?

As I have been reading the Cambodia classified section and there are a few recommended moto drivers; how much should I be prepared to offer them?

Sihanoukvilla.

I will start with my questions on Sihanoukvilla as there seams to be a lot of chicken farms hear.

Is Sihanoukvilla still the place it was or is that too just a former shadow of its self.

Is the chicken farm near king gold hotel still in operation?

3 names of different chicken farms in Sihanukilla I can't make much sense out of are.

1. In thmei village. Called koh kong's, not sure if this is correct or not, but dose this make any sense.

2. phoum thmey village: near the koh kong ferry or chicken farm by docks.

3. Punsahmi, called the Chicken Village.

Is The Fisherman den bar and The Angkor inn still open and as I have been told a good place to stop for good advice?

And is the go cart track still there with the crazy French nutter who live there?

More questions on chicken farms (PP).

I also read that chicken farms are a good cheap spot to get laid but are filthy hell holes.

Is the chicken farm behind the back of 'port Sville' still there?

I also read 'AKA the farm' but could not make much out of it. Is AKA a place or chicken farm or have I miss read it?

Is there a chicken farm called Viet farms on Omuni st?

Now some questions on bars from the past in PP.

I read about tual kork or Toul Kork near to the French embassy in early threads and read it was the next best thing to that little village.

10-12 km north of the city that is now closed.

I red people saying they where going to close it for years but they never did. Is this place still up and running?

I read allot about street 63 and what a rip off con set up end of holiday end of life it can be.

But is 'Samdach Sothearos' still there? (I think it was on street 63).

And also Street 63 go down past the Central Market 200 meters down the street I heard 5 good brothels. Are they still there?

And is flamingo's still going?

I also read that Sophie was a hot bed and a popular place (but a little grotty) Is this place still going?

The Golden Vine, how is this place now?

What about the 'Navy club' is it still the relocated spot of the now debunked little village north of the city.

And massage parlors on Street 63 was the left overs of the defunct village of the north?

I'm a bit confused with this name 'Sovann' near the water front; is it a club?

Another name of a club I could not get the gist of was 'heaven on earth' or is it "Cambodia, heaven on earth".

I'm going to put my Doubting Thomas hat on and presume they all have been raided and closed down by now.

Or do they just move onto somewhere ells or is that it once and for all. The fascist regime the NGOs' have finally one?

But on a good note I read before that Sharkys, Walkabout and Martini's was the place to be then and still is the place to be now.

So I guess these 3 bars are the best in town right. So which one out of the 3 would you recommend me?

I will keep my questions about the most recent stuff I have read at the bottom of the page.

Has anyone noticed girls being traded off the back of motorcycles at Monivong and Victory monument?

Dose anyone have any experience / info on Sisowath Quay near the Cambodia-Japan Friendship Bridge?

Some good parlors nearby so I have read, anyone ells been down?

Is Lin still selling books along the riverfront?

Of course if the whole PP thing is not going to be to my liking then other places must be considered.

I read on hear before that the quality is going to be much better in Jakarta in Indonesia!

And Iraq was also mentioned as a country safer and better then Cambodia.

Of course if anyone is in fragrance with this I will start reading the correct forums.

And finally I would like to discuss friends and wingmen.

Some where you can eat and drink in peace and quiet with out being hounded by girls selling themselves all the time.

The last time I went mongering I had a wingman that always got me the best price with the girl possible, and that was not white mans price ever.

But this guy was seen as a pain in the ass as far as the locals in the town where concerned.

Trouble was what ever I saved on the girls I compensated on buying him drinks all night so not a winner rely.

But if I do decide to go I would like to meat up with a few good people and get myself a decent moto driver from the classified section on this site.

I have read there is a bar or hotel called California 2 owned by Jim; whom is a good honest source of information; is this still going?

Is The Red Fox still full of x-patts?

And the name "dy borima" mean anything?

Many thanks.

James02

This post shows how quick developments go over a couple of years, and how useless it is to ask any questions of situations and circumstances from some years ago. Reading all the way back is fine to get an impression of history and the past. Most of your questions are out dated. Just go, and get the experience as your q's cannot be properly answered. Sorry!

[QUOTE=James02;1780697]I read in the first section that the prices where $5-$10 dollar ST and $15-$20 LT.

But looking at the most recent 25 pages it would appear that the prices have gone up 500% making it just a little bit cheaper to go then stay at home.

Because if it is $40/$50 dollars for ST I will stay at home or go ells where not for a 40 yo fat old hag.[/QUOTE]The $5 ST prices were from 2004. Prices has gone up a lot (petro has gone up from $1 a gallon to $5. Vegetables in the local market was gone up dramatically). LE Cryee girls will be $35 or $40 for ST. But the differences will be huge if you compare the girls from LE Cryee and California's Long Beach Blvd, where an ugly skank will be $40 - $60. You probably can get an old, ugly skank for $5. People write you can get decent girls at Naga for approx. $100. Prices for cute girls in the West will be more.

[QUOTE=James02;1780697]Also at the beginning it was stated not to pay more then 1000 riel for a moto ride as the average earnings in Cambodia are or where a dollar a day.

And later I hear of people paying $4/$5 dollar for this. So what is the crack?[/QUOTE]Need to understand the timeline. The $1 a day numbers are from 2004. Garment workers earn between $120 - $180 a month. $4/5 per ride is way too much, unless it is a long ride. I take tuk tuks. 5000 riel is local cost for normal ride. I pay 6000 riel for short rides, $2 for normal rides, and $2. 50-$3 for long rides. Not sure of the cost of moto dops. Maybe between 1500 to 2500 riel for normal rides? Of course as a tourist, they will expect / demand $1.

[QUOTE=James02;1780697]Is Sihanoukvilla still the place it was or is that too just a former shadow of its self.


I also read that chicken farms are a good cheap spot to get laid but are filthy hell holes.[/QUOTE]Former shadow of itself, but there are still activities to be had.

Yes, chicken farms are cheap, but filthy.

[QUOTE=James02;1780697]Is the chicken farm behind the back of 'port Sville' still there?

I also read 'AKA the farm' but could not make much out of it. Is AKA a place or chicken farm or have I miss read it?[/QUOTE]People have written that chicken farm is still there behind the port. I haven't been there in 10 years.

AKA is an acronym for "Also Known As".

[QUOTE=James02;1780697]I read allot about street 63 and what a rip off con set up end of holiday end of life it can be.[/QUOTE]Those old massage places on Street 63 are closed. There might be other brothel places inside of hair salons and / or upstairs around that area.

[QUOTE=James02;1780697]And is flamingo's still going?[/QUOTE]Flamingos is a 2 star hotel, near Walkabout, Pontoon and Heart of Darkness, Sorya Mall. Good location. It's still there.

[QUOTE=James02;1780697]I also read that Sophie was a hot bed and a popular place (but a little grotty) Is this place still going?[/QUOTE]It was closed many years ago.

[QUOTE=James02;1780697]I'm a bit confused with this name 'Sovann' near the water front; is it a club?[/QUOTE]Sovann is a common name for Cambodian men.

[QUOTE=James02;1780697]But on a good note I read before that Sharkys, Walkabout and Martini's was the place to be then and still is the place to be now.

So I guess these 3 bars are the best in town right. So which one out of the 3 would you recommend me?[/QUOTE]Someone wrote that Martinis recently closed.

Who the heck wrote these 3 bars were the best. That statement probably was written before 2004. The "best bars" depends on what you want / like.

[QUOTE=James02;1780697]Has anyone noticed girls being traded off the back of motorcycles at Monivong and Victory monument?[/QUOTE]Those are probably freelancers with their pimps. Those girls are not recommended for most people. Cheaper than the hostess bars. Bad service, rip-offs etc. Even the locals have trouble. But, you might find a diamond in the rough.

[QUOTE=James02;1780697]Dose anyone have any experience / info on Sisowath Quay near the Cambodia-Japan Friendship Bridge?[/QUOTE]There are / were local massage parlors, along the riverside below the Friendship bridge. Cheap, but ugly girls. Near tried it. Girls were too ugly.

[QUOTE=James02;1780697]Is Lin still selling books along the riverfront?[/QUOTE]Lin is a command name for Cambodian females. One Lin used to sell books. Now she's a little older. She has a kid. Not so pretty anymore, after getting older and having a kid.

[QUOTE=James02;1780697]And Iraq was also mentioned as a country safer and better then Cambodia.[/QUOTE]Ridiculous statement. Only applies if you compare 1996 Cambodia (before UN came in).

[QUOTE=James02;1780697]I have read there is a bar or hotel called California 2 owned by Jim; whom is a good honest source of information; is this still going?[/QUOTE]I also got help from Jim on my first trip to Cambodia. His hotel riverside was closed, but he opened another one away from the riverside. My guess is that he is still around. Google to find hotel.

[QUOTE=James02;1780697]Is The Red Fox still full of x-patts?[/QUOTE]Yes. It is on Street 136.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1780877]The $5 ST prices were from 2004. Prices has gone up a lot (petro has gone up from $1 a gallon to $5. Vegetables in the local market was gone up dramatically). LE Cryee girls will be $35 or $40 for ST. But the differences will be huge if you compare the girls from LE Cryee and California's Long Beach Blvd, where an ugly skank will be $40 - $60. You probably can get an old, ugly skank for $5. People write you can get decent girls at Naga for approx. $100. Prices for cute girls in the West will be more.

Need to understand the timeline. The $1 a day numbers are from 2004. Garment workers earn between $120 - $180 a month. $4/5 per ride is way too much, unless it is a long ride. I take tuk tuks. 5000 riel is local cost for normal ride. I pay 6000 riel for short rides, $2 for normal rides, and $2. 50-$3 for long rides. Not sure of the cost of moto dops. Maybe between 1500 to 2500 riel for normal rides? Of course as a tourist, they will expect / demand $1.

Former shadow of itself, but there are still activities to be had.

Yes, chicken farms are cheap, but filthy.

People have written that chicken farm is still there behind the port. I haven't been there in 20 years.

AKA is an acronym for "Also Known As".

Those old massage places on Street 63 are closed. There might be other brothel places inside of hair salons / and or upstairs around that area.

Flamingos is a 2 star hotel, near Walkabout, Pontoon and Heart of Darkness, Sorya Mall. Good location. It's still there.

It was closed many years ago.

Sovann is a common name for Cambodian men.

Someone wrote that Martinis recently closed.

Who the heck wrote these 3 bars were the best. That statement probably was written before 2004. The "best bars" depends on what you want / like.

Those are probably freelancers with their pimps. Those girls are not recommended for most people. Cheaper than the hostess bars. Bad service, rip-offs etc. Even the locals have trouble. But, you might find a diamond in the rough.

There are / were local massage parlors, along the riverside below the Friendship bridge. Cheap, but ugly girls. Near tried it. Girls were too ugly.

Lin is a command name for Cambodian females. One Lin used to sell books. Now she's a little older. She has a kid. Not so pretty anymore, after getting older and having a kid.

Ridiculous statement. Only applies if you compare 1996 Cambodia (before UN came in).

I also got help from Jim on my first trip to Cambodia. His hotel riverside was closed, but he opened another one away from the riverside. My guess is that he is still around. Google to find hotel.

Yes. It is on Street 136.[/QUOTE]Went on my first trip to PP in '99. Have not been for almost 10 years. All of the information provided above is exactly why I have no sites on returning.

I just finished my Phnom Penh trip. I just quote a few prices for reference. Phnom Penh is definitely overall more expensive than Thailand or Myanmar.

First the food is really expensive and not very tasty. A ordinary meal in a more cleaner restaurant minimum 5-6 dollars plus drink 1-2 dollars. I personally spend about 10 for a meal in cleaner places, try to avoid diarrhea is important. Tuk tuk cost 1. 5 short ride. 2-3 for longer ride. Example from Sorya to Naga 3, Sorya to riverside 2. Motodop is 1 anywhere within the center.

Hotel is the only thing that is not expensive, you can get nice clean rooms from 20 up. Girl price, in the tourist market, decent looking girl from Pontoon 50 up, not too attractive 30 up, decent or not decent girl from Darling or tourist karaoke like Casa 100 up. I have never found a girl willing to go under that. Street 136,130 bars, decent looking ones 40 up plus 10 BF, not so good lookers will go for 30. LE Cyrcee 30-40.

The local market, when I was there, I could not find any what Phnom street walkers, seems like there was a crack down, but you can get street walkers for 30 or less if you find them. I found some more north near the Japan bridge, 20-30 dollars, some look young, but the atmosphere does not look very safe, as I mentioned already there are hundreds of local joints advertised as hair salon, coffee shops, restaurants, grocery stores, massages, KTVs, ect, I think locals pay 15-20. When you play in the local joints, be careful your wallet, better put under your pillow, or just bring a little money. I did not experience anything but lots expats I talked to warn me.

I will start by saying that I'm not in PP and have not been for a few years but have kept up with it a bit via this thread and other ways.

Martini of course just closed. From what I've heard, Walkabout is a dim shadow of its former self, not even worth a visit compared to many other places these days. Same for Sharky if it is still there. LE Cyrcee is one of the spots from a ways back that is still there, though again I can't say how good it is now, maybe other here can. K11 had been shut down, but may have come back in some form or other, lesser for sure, but honestly that place was pretty evil and should be struck from your list. There were very good reasons for it to be shut down. Basically the truly sick stuff you hear of regarding Cambodia and or Southeast Asia was in full blossom at that place. How sick you don't even want to know. There was a Mr Sovann who was a driver often posting here, offering his services, and if I remember correctly he met his fate at the hands of the authorities, and let's just say he isn't in the driving business any more. Reasons related to the above. So for that 2003 and earlier period, there isn't much left these days of what was big then. It's a whole new place with all new scenes and venues.

HOw many days are you going? I'd just start from scratch and build up a new list of places to check out. Streets 104,130, 136, etc. Pontoon. Darling Darling. Perhaps Cyrcee. Maybe you can dig up some less famous cheaper options to pad things out.

I have to say, the Martinis heydey was excellent because it was the one giant magnet for working girls in the city, so you didn't really need to go somewhere else. And so cheap, $20 overnight, you could never beat that. And in my opinion, for mongering, S'ville was never anywhere close to PP in terms of quality and quantity. Down there you could find actually ridiculously cheap options but the selection (and quality) was nowhere close to what was on offer in PP. Also an evil factor just like the above. The chicken farm area there got clamped down on sometime in last few years (from what I read) and is nothing like its former self now, and its former self was something you most likely wouldn't have been into. Only for the least squeamish out there.

[QUOTE=Wendella]The $5 ST prices were from 2004. Prices has gone up a lot (petro has gone up from $1 a gallon to $5. Vegetables in the local market was gone up dramatically). LE Cryee girls will be $35 or $40 for ST. But the differences will be huge if you compare the girls from LE Cryee and California's Long Beach Blvd, where an ugly skank will be $40 - $60. You probably can get an old, ugly skank for $5. People write you can get decent girls at Naga for approx. $100. Prices for cute girls in the West will be more.[/QUOTE]Price of petrol I can understand because if I want the use of it off of A moto driver then I have to pay for it. Vegetables on the other hand I'm not so sure As this dose not come into the equasion.

But $35-$40 for ST is too much for me, as I may as well find A budget airline and flight out to Prague for £30 return.

At least I know I will be safer there and less chance of being ripped off. For me to ply to PP I may as well spend A little extra and go to Australia!! But on the other hand I know there are hidden gems in there for me that I will not get in Prague.

What is LE Cryee?

[QUOTE=Wendella]Former shadow of itself, but there are still activities to be had.[/QUOTE]Yes, chicken farms are cheap, but filthy.

I kind of got the impression reading the threads that the activity had moved out of PP to surrounding city's.

How much should one expect to pay at a chicken farm and is what was there still there or have the chicken farms changed?

[QUOTE=Wendella]Ridiculous statement. Only applies if you compare 1996 Cambodia (before UN came in).[/QUOTE]But there's reports where written after the UN cam into Cambodia and after Gulf war 1 and during the period of Gulf war 2.

I have the quotation hear somewhere on my computer if you want me to quote what the member stated.

[QUOTE=ShinShin]I just finished my Phnom Penh trip. I just quote a few prices for reference. Phnom Penh is definitely overall more expensive than Thailand or Myanmar.[/QUOTE]Wow and there was me complaining about rip off Thailand before.

[QUOTE=ShinShin] but you can get street walkers for 30 or less if you find them. I found some more north near the Japan bridge, 20-30 dollars, some look young, but the atmosphere does not look very safe, as I mentioned already there are hundreds of local joints advertised as hair salon, coffee shops, restaurants, grocery stores, massages, KTVs, ect, I think locals pay 15-20. When you play in the local joints,[/QUOTE]Well we are kind of talking the kind of money I might pay but no more!

[QUOTE=Wendella]There was a Mr Sovann who was a driver often posting here, offering his services, and if I remember correctly he met his fate at the hands of the authorities, and let's just say he isn't in the driving business any more. Reasons related to the above. [/QUOTE]I do remember reading something about this. Was this the guy who went in with some big time hot shot American who shouted there activities out all over the internet.

And hence into the wrong hands of. Gov and NGO.

So where is best in SE Asia for me. For price and what I'm after?

[QUOTE=James02;1781312]Price of petrol I can understand because if I want the use of it off of A moto driver then I have to pay for it. Vegetables on the other hand I'm not so sure As this dose not come into the equasion.

But $35-$40 for ST is too much for me, as I may as well find A budget airline and flight out to Prague for 30 return.

At least I know I will be safer there and less chance of being ripped off. For me to ply to PP I may as well spend A little extra and go to Australia!! But on the other hand I know there are hidden gems in there for me that I will not get in Prague.

What is LE Cryee?

Yes, chicken farms are cheap, but filthy.

I kind of got the impression reading the threads that the activity had moved out of PP to surrounding city's.

How much should one expect to pay at a chicken farm and is what was there still there or have the chicken farms changed?

But there's reports where written after the UN cam into Cambodia and after Gulf war 1 and during the period of Gulf war 2.

I have the quotation hear somewhere on my computer if you want me to quote what the member stated.

Wow and there was me complaining about rip off Thailand before.

Well we are kind of talking the kind of money I might pay but no more!

I do remember reading something about this. Was this the guy who went in with some big time hot shot American who shouted there activities out all over the internet.

And hence into the wrong hands of. Gov and NGO.

So where is best in SE Asia for me. For price and what I'm after?[/QUOTE]You can get some realy good advice reading ISG. But if you read long back information is to old. I don't know prices for ST but I visited Phnon Penh again last month and paid 40 dollar LT + 10 dollar BF for a real beauty. 3 years ago I paid 30 + 10. In Sihanoukville I paid as ususal 30 dollar LT + 10 dollar BF. In my mind it is still cheap. You can easy find cheaper FL-girls. 20 dollar LT and no BF is still posible. You want to go to Austalia. Up to you, but in Austalia you pay much more for older and uglier girls and hotel, food etc. Is very expensive.

Then you say that Prague in Europe are more safe. That is not true. Phnom Penh is ok safe and if you are a little streetwise you can avoid the scams. I will anytime prefere Phnom Penh from Prague. Have you ever been in Prague or Phnom Penh?

You can still find chickenfarms in Sihanoukville, but I never go there. I prefer beatiful girls GFE for LT.

What place in SEA is the best for you? I don't know. Go to different places and make your choice.

James, you somehow put my name at the top of quotes that were not written by me. I'm not sure who wrote those but it wasn't me. The last one quoting me about Mr Sovann was actually mine, that's the only one. I hope you can be more careful about that next time. Not a huge deal, but still, it's misleading for someone who just comes on and sees that and thinks I said those things.

[QUOTE=James02;1781312]Price of petrol I can understand because if I want the use of it off of A moto driver then I have to pay for it. Vegetables on the other hand I'm not so sure As this dose not come into the equasion.

But $35-$40 for ST is too much for me, as I may as well find A budget airline and flight out to Prague for 30 return.

At least I know I will be safer there and less chance of being ripped off. For me to ply to PP I may as well spend A little extra and go to Australia!! But on the other hand I know there are hidden gems in there for me that I will not get in Prague.

What is LE Cryee?

Yes, chicken farms are cheap, but filthy.

I kind of got the impression reading the threads that the activity had moved out of PP to surrounding city's.

How much should one expect to pay at a chicken farm and is what was there still there or have the chicken farms changed?

But there's reports where written after the UN cam into Cambodia and after Gulf war 1 and during the period of Gulf war 2.

I have the quotation hear somewhere on my computer if you want me to quote what the member stated.

Wow and there was me complaining about rip off Thailand before.

Well we are kind of talking the kind of money I might pay but no more!

I do remember reading something about this. Was this the guy who went in with some big time hot shot American who shouted there activities out all over the internet.

And hence into the wrong hands of. Gov and NGO.

So where is best in SE Asia for me. For price and what I'm after?[/QUOTE]Stay home. If you are worried about danger spending 35 bucks on a hottie, then you should stay home and hide your money in your mattress. There are enough like you over here already.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1781058]I will start by saying that I'm not in PP and have not been for a few years but have kept up with it a bit via this thread and other ways.

Martini of course just closed. From what I've heard, Walkabout is a dim shadow of its former self, not even worth a visit compared to many other places these days. Same for Sharky if it is still there. LE Cyrcee is one of the spots from a ways back that is still there, though again I can't say how good it is now, maybe other here can. K11 had been shut down, but may have come back in some form or other, lesser for sure, but honestly that place was pretty evil and should be struck from your list. There were very good reasons for it to be shut down. Basically the truly sick stuff you hear of regarding Cambodia and or Southeast Asia was in full blossom at that place. How sick you don't even want to know. There was a Mr Sovann who was a driver often posting here, offering his services, and if I remember correctly he met his fate at the hands of the authorities, and let's just say he isn't in the driving business any more. Reasons related to the above. So for that 2003 and earlier period, there isn't much left these days of what was big then. It's a whole new place with all new scenes and venues.

HOw many days are you going? I'd just start from scratch and build up a new list of places to check out. Streets 104,130, 136, etc. Pontoon. Darling Darling. Perhaps Cyrcee. Maybe you can dig up some less famous cheaper options to pad things out.

I have to say, the Martinis heydey was excellent because it was the one giant magnet for working girls in the city, so you didn't really need to go somewhere else. And so cheap, $20 overnight, you could never beat that. And in my opinion, for mongering, S'ville was never anywhere close to PP in terms of quality and quantity. Down there you could find actually ridiculously cheap options but the selection (and quality) was nowhere close to what was on offer in PP. Also an evil factor just like the above. The chicken farm area there got clamped down on sometime in last few years (from what I read) and is nothing like its former self now, and its former self was something you most likely wouldn't have been into. Only for the least squeamish out there.[/QUOTE]To Wendella.

The first time I was in PP is back in 2002 first viet girl in one of the Brothel is 5 usd didn't go to K11 heard the girl is too young not my thing and you can get girl for LT at martini for 20 usd, everything is 3 time more now and viet girl quality is down not sure if I going to return soon.

Fast eddie 48.

I am considering staying at Blue Tongue Hotel during my upcoming trip to Phnom Penh but read on a GF hotel site that they have a limit of one non registered guest at a time.

This limit is not mentioned on Blue Tongues site.

As I do like multiples does anyone know if this is a restriction that is enforced?

Thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=NevilleNobody;1781697]I am considering staying at Blue Tongue Hotel during my upcoming trip to Phnom Penh but read on a GF hotel site that they have a limit of one non registered guest at a time.

This limit is not mentioned on Blue Tongues site.

As I do like multiples does anyone know if this is a restriction that is enforced?

Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]I stayed here for 3 nights before not this current trip but last trip. The front desk takes the ID of the lady when she enters the hotel. But not strict. On 2 occasions my lady did not have ID, but I just told the front desk she is okay I know her already, no problem. I did not bring duo to my room, but saw a customer brought two, and no problem getting in. These front desk guys are all young guys, very polite, if there is some issue, I am sure 2-3 tip can solve the issue.

Just book straight with hotel website is cheaper than Agoda, or [URL]Booking.com[/URL], price differ 5 or more a night. The nice balcony room is only 30 from their hotel website, standard only 20. Cheaper than online agent. This trip I stayed in Diamond hotel and Harmony Hotel which I also can recommend.

[QUOTE=James02;1781312]Price of petrol I can understand because if I want the use of it off of A moto driver then I have to pay for it. Vegetables on the other hand I'm not so sure As this dose not come into the equasion.

But $35-$40 for ST is too much for me, as I may as well find A budget airline and flight out to Prague for 30 return.

At least I know I will be safer there and less chance of being ripped off. For me to ply to PP I may as well spend A little extra and go to Australia!! But on the other hand I know there are hidden gems in there for me that I will not get in Prague.

What is LE Cryee?

Yes, chicken farms are cheap, but filthy.[/QUOTE]If 35-40 is too much, then in Phnom Penh you are left with a few options. One is the local hole in the wall brothels. There are still some Svay Pak looking places outskirts of town. Of course the scale probably no where near it. I have never been but heard it from long time Cambo expats and can confirm they still exist, price 10 or less per pop. You need a very trustworthy tuk tuk to guide you. The risk is high in these places. Police trap, NGO traps all sort of scams. Second option is street freelancers, normally you can find many freelancers around Waat Phnom at night. But my last 2 trips I did not see any there. But if you go up north more, near the bridge sometimes you can find freelancers around there, I saw some last trip, and talked to a few, they started at 50, but go down to 30 quickly, if you bargain hard maybe 20, these places are dark, better you bring a flash light to check their face and figure before you buy. I saw a few young ones there looked decent in the dark, not sure how they look in the bright light.

Then it's the sex joints in camouflage as salon shop, coffee shop, massage shop, KTV shop, restaurants, grocery stores, ect. You need to do some leg work and be very observant to figure out which shop looks suspicious, when it looks suspicious, it probably is. As a foreign tourist, probably hard for you to get local price 15-20, because most of these places do not want our business, some places rejected me, some waved me away, some just said to me no lady no lady even 4-5 sitting in front of me, some said to me only Cambodian, so takes some trial and error to figure out the hidden local venues. In the tourist market, 35-40 has become the low end, I met a few nicer ones in 130,136St, and they were quite firm at 50, maybe you are a good businessman you can slice another 10 at most, plus drinks and 10 BF, average take out fee comes to 60-70. In the higher end, I have taken girls out from a few karaokes Casa, Echo, Club 88,ect, the minimum is 100,20 to mamasan, plus drinks and room fee, around 150 at the end. Pontoon girls 30-50 range, Darling everyone wants 100. Lots of Chinese gamblers there so don't expect things too cheap.

Cambodia has moved away from the 5 dollar lady house scene for a few years already. Back 10-15 years ago, I went to Cambodia just like everyone else we all ventured into the brothel houses in the outskirt just like a sightseeing trip, I don't want to sound like a saint, I also felt somewhat excited to be surrounded by hundreds of girls and also felt strong sympathy at the same time, a really mixed feeling. Cambodia has moved on, we just have to adapt to the new environment.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1781803]The risk is high in these places. Police trap, NGO traps [/QUOTE]What is a NGO trap?

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1781833]What is a NGO trap?[/QUOTE]It means a situation where a Non- Goverment Organization (e. G. One devoted to rescuing trafficked women) might be monitoring the comings and goings possibly in conjunction with police. Based on my experiences I think the chances of this are extremely rare to non-existent but it is true that there is more potential for difficult situations to arise in these places. Having sampled some street and fishbowl action in the less salubrious parts of PP I don't think the thrill or $$ savings are worth any grief and poor performance that you are liklely to get. So many nice Khmer GFE to be had. Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Bubba999;1782201]It means a situation where a Non- Goverment Organization (e. G. One devoted to rescuing trafficked women) might be monitoring the comings and goings possibly in conjunction with police. Based on my experiences I think the chances of this are extremely rare to non-existent but it is true that there is more potential for difficult situations to arise in these places. Having sampled some street and fishbowl action in the less salubrious parts of PP I don't think the thrill or $$ savings are worth any grief and poor performance that you are liklely to get. So many nice Khmer GFE to be had. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bubba999;1782201]It means a situation where a Non- Goverment Organization (e. G. One devoted to rescuing trafficked women) might be monitoring the comings and goings possibly in conjunction with police. Based on my experiences I think the chances of this are extremely rare to non-existent but it is true that there is more potential for difficult situations to arise in these places. Having sampled some street and fishbowl action in the less salubrious parts of PP I don't think the thrill or $$ savings are worth any grief and poor performance that you are liklely to get. So many nice Khmer GFE to be had. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]Hey Bubba, what's "salubrious" mean? ;.) I see a lot of members here annoyed about NGO's. I think there are some NGOs that are not working in an ethical way, there was a story in international media about one head of one there in PP who was a fraud. I forget the name but some here I'm sure do know. On the other hand, there is definitely some really evil stuff happening in some places. If you go to street 130 bars then you are not seeing that part of it. But the KM11's and chicken farms, those places have lots (all? Most?) who are basically slaves, part of a mafia run system where they are victims. So naturally the performance will not be very good because they don't want to be there. I met a guy a long time ago, journalist, who went and tracked the pipeline from the Mekong in Vietnam where girls were coming over (this was early 2000's). It was like an assembly line and at some places near the border, shacks, the new girls were basically trained there by Khmer guys who were effectively [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] them into submission, and they were effectively prisoners. The ones who run this system draw no lines when it comes to age. The typical reasons for this were VN families who would get into gambling trouble and have to make a sacrifiice to make the debt good, or else took out too big a loan from the wrong person, or else just stupidly agreed to a BS story about how their girl would go get a good job in Cambodia. Since then these problems are getting gradually reduced, with the NGOs surely playing a role in that. The VN government has tried to educate its people so they don't fall into such traps unknowingly. So that's what we mean when we say that the feeling in those days was "mixed. ".

Martini's, open or closed?

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1782506]Martini's, open or closed?[/QUOTE]Closed. History.

QUOTE=Wendella;1782260]Hey Bubba, what's "salubrious" mean? ;.).

Hey Wendella.

Salubrious= "Conducive or favorable to health or well-being" and I think most of these out of the way and so called cheap places are definitely "not salubrious". I def agree with you that some bad stuff happens here and most often it is courtesy of the family. But seems when there is a a large number of nice girls willing to give a GFE that there is no real need to go out in the back blocks. The return on the effort is usually bad.

Enjoy your reports and insights into what is going on! Keep 'them coming!

Cheers.

Bubba.

Hi everyone,

New to the forum, but I did search prior to posting my question, which is – has anyone had a blind 'body' massage? Are you always clothed during it? Do they use oil? And last but not least, has anyone had a HJ from the blind places?

Thanks

Have been there a few times the last years, always to my satisfaction.

So visited again last evening, about 11:30 pm.

Lots of girls, I believe I was the only customer at that moment.

Normal procedure, surrounded by all girls, choose one, buy her a drink.

And after some time, asked her to choose a friend.

So friend comes, I buy a drink for her, and another drink for me.

And then it is time for business. It is about 12 pm then.

To my surprise girl #1 calls another girl and tell me that she cannot go with me.

She tells me to go with girl #2 and #3.

I am angry, ask for Hassan, he comes, I explain the situation, he talks to the girl.

And tells me that she cannot go with me because she is married and it will become to late for her.

He apologizes to me, en tells the girl that she should have told me her story earlier.

What a joke. What is happening to Cambodia, that even in Le Cyrcee this things are happening.

To be specific, I'm curious about the places that have the white sign out front, sometimes have 'Massage' written in English with Khmer writing above and below it.

Has anyone tried? I visited Phnom Penh last year for the first time and was curious by those places, but the women never looked keen for customers. Is it because they only serve locals?, is totally legit?

I'm going back in December and interested to try, but can / should I?

Overall, I found the massage experience very average in Phnom Penh. Many legit places river side that do very average massages. Want to explore further this time.

Thank you again.

Friends,

First time Singaporean planning to visit Siem Reap for 4 days during Oct 15 - Oct 19.

Can someone tell me how to get teenage girls (18,19,20 years) for long term and what are the prices? How hard is it compared to going to a Bangkok massage parlor? Your help will be much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Orca9;1782771]Have been there a few times the last years, always to my satisfaction.

So visited again last evening, about 11:30 pm.

Lots of girls, I believe I was the only customer at that moment.

Normal procedure, surrounded by all girls, choose one, buy her a drink.

And after some time, asked her to choose a friend.

So friend comes, I buy a drink for her, and another drink for me.

And then it is time for business. It is about 12 pm then.

To my surprise girl #1 calls another girl and tell me that she cannot go with me.

She tells me to go with girl #2 and #3.

I am angry, ask for Hassan, he comes, I explain the situation, he talks to the girl.

And tells me that she cannot go with me because she is married and it will become to late for her.

He apologizes to me, en tells the girl that she should have told me her story earlier.

What a joke. What is happening to Cambodia, that even in Le Cyrcee this things are happening.[/QUOTE]You are angry because you not can buy this girl. Do you want slaves? Go the the fishbowls with trafficed women. They never say no. Men like you don't respect women.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1781520]James, you somehow put my name at the top of quotes that were not written by me. I'm not sure who wrote those but it wasn't me. The last one quoting me about Mr Sovann was actually mine, that's the only one. I hope you can be more careful about that next time. Not a huge deal, but still, it's misleading for someone who just comes on and sees that and thinks I said those things.[/QUOTE]Sorry Wendella but I though it was you who wrote them.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1781553]Stay home. If you are worried about danger spending 35 bucks on a hottie, then you should stay home and hide your money in your mattress. There are enough like you over here already.[/QUOTE]And what do you mean by that?

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1781803]If 35-40 is too much, then in Phnom Penh you are left with a few options. One is the local hole in the wall brothels. There are still some Svay Pak looking places outskirts of town. Of course the scale probably no where near it. I have never been but heard it from long time Cambo expats and can confirm they still exist, price 10 or less per pop. You need a very trustworthy tuk tuk to guide you. The risk is high in these places. Police trap, NGO traps all sort of scams. Second option is street freelancers, normally you can find many freelancers around Waat Phnom at night. But my last 2 trips I did not see any there. But if you go up north more, near the bridge sometimes you can find freelancers around there, I saw some last trip, and talked to a few, they started at 50, but go down to 30 quickly, if you bargain hard maybe 20, these places are dark, better you bring a flash light to check their face and figure before you buy. I saw a few young ones there looked decent in the dark, not sure how they look in the bright light.

Then it's the sex joints in camouflage as salon shop, coffee shop, massage shop, KTV shop, restaurants, grocery stores, ect. You need to do some leg work and be very observant to figure out which shop looks suspicious, when it looks suspicious, it probably is. As a foreign tourist, probably hard for you to get local price 15-20, because most of these places do not want our business, some places rejected me, some waved me away, some just said to me no lady no lady even 4-5 sitting in front of me, some said to me only Cambodian, so takes some trial and error to figure out the hidden local venues. In the tourist market, 35-40 has become the low end, I met a few nicer ones in 130,136St, and they were quite firm at 50, maybe you are a good businessman you can slice another 10 at most, plus drinks and 10 BF, average take out fee comes to 60-70. In the higher end, I have taken girls out from a few karaokes Casa, Echo, Club 88,ect, the minimum is 100,20 to mamasan, plus drinks and room fee, around 150 at the end. Pontoon girls 30-50 range, Darling everyone wants 100. Lots of Chinese gamblers there so don't expect things too cheap.

Cambodia has moved away from the 5 dollar lady house scene for a few years already. Back 10-15 years ago, I went to Cambodia just like everyone else we all ventured into the brothel houses in the outskirt just like a sightseeing trip, I don't want to sound like a saint, I also felt somewhat excited to be surrounded by hundreds of girls and also felt strong sympathy at the same time, a really mixed feeling. Cambodia has moved on, we just have to adapt to the new environment.[/QUOTE]I'm kind of thinking to get A good tuk tuk driver. 'price 10 or less per pop' and take the risk of being dune by the scum bags (hum) I guess you get what you pay for duck.

[QUOTE=Bubba999;1782201]It means a situation where a Non- Goverment Organization (e. G. One devoted to rescuing trafficked women) might be monitoring the comings and goings possibly in conjunction with police. Based on my experiences I think the chances of this are extremely rare to non-existent but it is true that there is more potential for difficult situations to arise in these places. Having sampled some street and fishbowl action in the less salubrious parts of PP I don't think the thrill or $$ savings are worth any grief and poor performance that you are likely to get. So many nice Khmer GFE to be had. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]I think many members would disagree with you on this one.

But we usually associate the NGO as charitable organization (but IMHO they are just hypocrite) whom have a vengeance with the white mans western life's American Margaret Thatcher dream; such as the red cross.

The conflict in Syria is a classic example.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1782991]You are angry because you not can buy this girl. Do you want slaves? Go the the fishbowls with trafficed women. They never say no. Men like you don't respect women.[/QUOTE]That was another thing I forgot to ask; I keep hearing the fishbowls thing but never worked out what it was or meant.

Well After I posted before the information that has come back has made me think a little about going or not.

And especially from those who said 'oh I went there 10-20 years ago and it was good crack, but now would not touch with a barge pole but like to have a read of this forum though'.

I was always wanting to try somewhere in South East Asia but since no one on hear has given me an alternative to any other country to visit.

I am in 2 minds at the moment; Should I call me friend in Mombasa and we can arrange a holiday to Tanzania.

Well he recons that the price and chose in Tanzania is far better then Kenya. And in Kenya we are talking less then 30 USD for LT over night and this is from the best clubs in town! White man prices an all!

But we never discussed finding those hidden gems though.

Or then on the other hand I might just try this place out. Don't know yet still thinking; still asking questions.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1782991]You are angry because you not can buy this girl. Do you want slaves? Go the the fishbowls with trafficed women. They never say no. Men like you don't respect women.[/QUOTE]The point is that you do not expect that in LE Cyrcee. You don't go there for a drink or small talks, but just have a drink to take your time to chose a girl which you expect to take out. If a girl does not like you, fine, but if she never goes out with customers, she does not work in the right bar. Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=Orca9;1782771]To my surprise girl #1 calls another girl and tell me that she cannot go with me.

She tells me to go with girl #2 and #3.

I am angry, ask for Hassan, he comes, I explain the situation, he talks to the girl.

And tells me that she cannot go with me because she is married and it will become to late for her.[/QUOTE]These Phnom Penh bar girls have freedom to choose customers. They do reject customers for different reasons. This story sounds like the the girl making excuse not to go out with particular customer. I also have been rejected before in 130,136ST bars and also discos. One time I guess my offer was too low, I was not willing to pay more than 50, but obviously the lady thinks she can sell easily 80, and tried to push her friend to me. Another time I bought several lady drinks and about to take out a lady even paid her bar fine, then she suddenly said sorry she could not go because her period just came, so I took another girl instead, later found out that girl was waiting for her Korean big spender so made up the story to refuse me.

When get refused by working girl, just move on to next target, it's all only a business transaction. I think the only places you won't get refused is these fish bowl joints that target tourists.

[QUOTE=Titanio;1783034]The point is that you do not expect that in LE Cyrcee. You don't go there for a drink or small talks, but just have a drink to take your time to chose a girl which you expect to take out. If a girl does not like you, fine, but if she never goes out with customers, she does not work in the right bar. Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]I know LE Cyrcee. All girl go with custommers. Not very offen a girl say no. But it is always her right to say no, if she don't like the custommer.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1783205]I know LE Cyrcee. All girl go with custommers. Not very offen a girl say no. But it is always her right to say no, if she don't like the custommer.[/QUOTE]Of course it is, but she should make that clear and not ask for drinks.

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1778973]I have been in Phnom Penh for 2 days. This trip I wanted to check some places outside the tourist zones. I tried a few tuk tuk drivers, but most of them take me to these small Viet joints disguised as other business or massage parlours, one young tuktuk took me to some place near airport with karaoke style setting, there I found a ridiculously cute Cambodian girl. I think I paid much more than locals pay and the tuk tuk commission on top, I paid her to go a day and half from 10 PM to next 7 PM, I felt a bit wasted the money, 180 USD, that was all I could get down from 250 they demanded. But the girl must be poor still using these phone that has no color or picture function. And her pussy seems quite big compare her age. And she completely clueless about the most basic English. A GF session half condom then half bb because she saw I could not come, she took off for me. I got bored after one shot, her English level was non existent, I set her free at 3 AM, try to ask me taxi money 10, but I refused.

Next day, I found a shop near Russian market advertise as karaoke, but there were 8 Viet girls, 2 were very doable, but the papasan does not allow over night, allow ST outside visit, I took one to my room for 60, I still prefer Viet, they simply more fun in bed than Khmer. The night went to Darling, and had the worst session from there in about 15 tries. I did not pick the girl but this Khmer girl was next to me at the bar, and danced and rubbed her pussy on my knees, I thought she would be a good performer, I was wrong, the first early runner I had in Cambodia. 100 USD for WTF 40 min, terrible BBBJ, and phone rang all the time. I think next 3 days, I would not pick Khmer girl, I just focus on Viet, personally I always have more fun with Viet.[/QUOTE]How do you know which moto / tuk-tuk to trust who offer to take you to places? When I was there, I just felt nervous getting on the back of a strangers bike and trusting he was taking me somewhere 'safe'?

I really want to experience these Viet places disguised as a coffee shop or other businesses as mentioned.

[QUOTE=PPMassage;1783714]How do you know which moto / tuk-tuk to trust who offer to take you to places? When I was there, I just felt nervous getting on the back of a strangers bike and trusting he was taking me somewhere 'safe'?[/QUOTE]Just hire the transport driver that hangs around your hotel. Every area has a group of regular transport drivers that hang around everyday. Take one that is a regular, and when you hire him, everyone will see that.

No guarantees that he won't take you to his places that offer commission (in which you will be overcharge as a tourist), but you will be safe from physical harm. Hard to find a good reliable transport driver who won't overcharge and rip you off (from commissions).

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1783956]Just hire the transport driver that hangs around your hotel. Every area has a group of regular transport drivers that hang around everyday. Take one that is a regular, and when you hire him, everyone will see that.

No guarantees that he won't take you to his places that offer commission (in which you will be overcharge as a tourist), but you will be safe from physical harm. Hard to find a good reliable transport driver who won't overcharge and rip you off (from commissions).[/QUOTE]The best way is to tell the driver you pay him good money so he does not need much commission from these shops. There are many good drivers and many cunning ones. So you need to try a few and keep the one you trust. The drivers like the most to take you to the fish bowl type of places, because they give out best commissions. These local joints do not give much commission, so you need to pay the drivers more instead, always tell them you want to see local lady houses, not the fish bowl massages.

Each driver has different knowledge of different places, it's impossible to know all these places, simply too many. So I tend to use many different drivers to cover more grounds. If you try more drivers, eventually you will run into some honest driver with good knowledge.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1783956]Just hire the transport driver that hangs around your hotel. Every area has a group of regular transport drivers that hang around everyday. Take one that is a regular, and when you hire him, everyone will see that.

No guarantees that he won't take you to his places that offer commission (in which you will be overcharge as a tourist), but you will be safe from physical harm. Hard to find a good reliable transport driver who won't overcharge and rip you off (from commissions).[/QUOTE]I used to go to the nearest foreigner shady place to my hotel (in those days that meant Sharky's) and get a guy from there. All the motorbike guys there knew exactly where we wanted to go. Also, I didn't want the guy at my hotel to know everything I was doing, and maybe let people at my hotel know.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1784144]I used to go to the nearest foreigner shady place to my hotel (in those days that meant Sharky's) and get a guy from there. All the motorbike guys there knew exactly where we wanted to go. Also, I didn't want the guy at my hotel to know everything I was doing, and maybe let people at my hotel know.[/QUOTE]In witch hotel do you stay in PP Wendella?

[QUOTE=ShinShin;1783131]These Phnom Penh bar girls have freedom to choose customers. They do reject customers for different reasons. This story sounds like the the girl making excuse not to go out with particular customer. I also have been rejected before in 130,136ST bars and also discos. One time I guess my offer was too low, I was not willing to pay more than 50, but obviously the lady thinks she can sell easily 80, and tried to push her friend to me. Another time I bought several lady drinks and about to take out a lady even paid her bar fine, then she suddenly said sorry she could not go because her period just came, so I took another girl instead, later found out that girl was waiting for her Korean big spender so made up the story to refuse me.

When get refused by working girl, just move on to next target, it's all only a business transaction. I think the only places you won't get refused is these fish bowl joints that target tourists.[/QUOTE]You have to remember that there are many different types of girls working in a bar, some will fuck with anyone their only interest being money, some only with guys they find attractive or consider a good long term boyfriend prospect. Some want to be treated like a lady and wished to be courted and chased and others have husbands or long-term boyfriends and they work only for lady drinks, tips and for the company of the other girls.

[QUOTE=DelBosque;1784408]In witch hotel do you stay in PP Wendella?[/QUOTE]Dara Reang Sey is a couple blocks from the river, low rates, acceptable rooms. Nothing great, just good location plus cheap rates for the area. Street 118 at corner of street 13 if I remember correctly. It has an adequate restaurant on the entire ground floor.

I've stayed at other places too. One diagonal from National Museum is good, though not as close to St 130. That one better to get to the restaurants on the river. Called Orchid or something like this. I never liked staying over by Walkabout / Pontoon because eating options were not good over there, but that may have changed in recent years since I was there last.

[QUOTE=Riverstar;1784474]You have to remember that there are many different types of girls working in a bar, some will fuck with anyone their only interest being money, some only with guys they find attractive or consider a good long term boyfriend prospect. Some want to be treated like a lady and wished to be courted and chased and others have husbands or long-term boyfriends and they work only for lady drinks, tips and for the company of the other girls.[/QUOTE]This is something we shouldn't need to remember. Seriously, these bars employ a team of hookers for customers to come and chat with and barfine. That's what these bars are for. So why are there girls in there trying to find husbands and boyfriends? They should be working at some bars that are set up for guys who are looking for girlfriends and wives, not in a bar where guys are looking for hookers. (Hmm, I want to find me a good wife, I know, I'll go down to the bar with all the prostitutes and find a girl who's not working as a prostitute.) It's dumb and annoying. It's like in Nana Plaza in Bangkok when a bar starts mixing in ladyboys together with their girls. Customers don't want that. If a guy wants a lady boy he will go to a ladyboy bar. It's a few doors down, can't miss it, the bar with all the ladyboys in front of it.

[QUOTE=LoveTool;1784585]This is something we shouldn't need to remember. Seriously, these bars employ a team of hookers for customers to come and chat with and barfine. That's what these bars are for. So why are there girls in there trying to find husbands and boyfriends? They should be working at some bars that are set up for guys who are looking for girlfriends and wives, not in a bar where guys are looking for hookers. (Hmm, I want to find me a good wife, I know, I'll go down to the bar with all the prostitutes and find a girl who's not working as a prostitute.) It's dumb and annoying. It's like in Nana Plaza in Bangkok when a bar starts mixing in ladyboys together with their girls. Customers don't want that. If a guy wants a lady boy he will go to a ladyboy bar. It's a few doors down, can't miss it, the bar with all the ladyboys in front of it.[/QUOTE]Cambodia is different. None of what you say change it. If you can not accept it, stay in Thailand.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1784685]Cambodia is different. None of what you say change it. If you can not accept it, stay in Thailand.[/QUOTE]It has nothing to do with Cambodia. It's just a few foreigner bars in PP. Face it, dude. It's stupid. Nobody goes to those bars looking to find wives. That's mental.

And do you seriously think that Khmer guys have to deal with this in their P4 P places?

I think it's more about what they can get away with putting one over on foreigners. I mean, I think the bars obviously are not on some mission to find husbands for girls, no, it's a business, and they're hiring cute girls who won't go out as a kind of bait and switch to get customers into the bar who will presume those are girls who can go out. It's a scam.

Hi friends,

I will be traveling to Phnom Penh next week and staying at Cardmom hotel. As this in my first trip to Phnom Penh, please suggest if this this hotel is girl friendly and the best pick up places and massage parlours near this hotel.

Thanks

Cardamom Hotel and Apartment is GF. It is located along Oknha Ket road. You can find girls at the Walk About Hotel which is a few metres away on the same road. You can also find girls at Pontoon which is on Jayavarman VII Street (parallel to Oknha Ket street) a little more than 100 metres away.

[QUOTE=Tercar66;1791293] I will be traveling to Phnom Penh next week and staying at Cardmom hotel.[/QUOTE]

Anyone had luck (HJ) from the blind massage places?

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1783205]I know LE Cyrcee. All girl go with custommers. Not very offen a girl say no. But it is always her right to say no, if she don't like the custommer.[/QUOTE]Cambodia girls are not like Thai ladies. They are not educated and not as sophisticated, at least as the girls in Bangkok or Pataya who are always up for ST action so as to make money.

There are many reasons why a lady might not go with you, from her period starting, she has the runs, she has to be home (early shift girl), she is not yet "broken in" and is too young to take a large barang pounding her all night etc. Even once I saw a lady reject a young man because he did not wash and had a strong case of BO.

I once made the drunken mistake of pushing it by insisting that the lady who had slurped a couple of my lady drinks to go with me. Reluctantly she did. And I had what appeared to me in my drunken state a small pool of red on my sheets as a result. Yeck!

[QUOTE=LoveTool;1784585]This is something we shouldn't need to remember. Seriously, these bars employ a team of hookers for customers to come and chat with and barfine. That's what these bars are for. So why are there girls in there trying to find husbands and boyfriends? They should be working at some bars that are set up for guys who are looking for girlfriends and wives, not in a bar where guys are looking for hookers. (Hmm, I want to find me a good wife, I know, I'll go down to the bar with all the prostitutes and find a girl who's not working as a prostitute.) It's dumb and annoying. It's like in Nana Plaza in Bangkok when a bar starts mixing in ladyboys together with their girls. Customers don't want that. If a guy wants a lady boy he will go to a ladyboy bar. It's a few doors down, can't miss it, the bar with all the ladyboys in front of it.[/QUOTE]It may seem strange to you but there are guys who frequent bars in Phnom Penh because they want a drink and enjoy the company, not every guy in a bar is looking for a fuck.

[QUOTE=LoveTool;1785443]And do you seriously think that Khmer guys have to deal with this in their P4 P places?

I think it's more about what they can get away with putting one over on foreigners. I mean, I think the bars obviously are not on some mission to find husbands for girls, no, it's a business, and they're hiring cute girls who won't go out as a kind of bait and switch to get customers into the bar who will presume those are girls who can go out. It's a scam.[/QUOTE]Sorry bro but you're way off.

In case you haven't noticed there are hundreds of huge KTVs all over the country. These are the most popular options for local guys--not only the thousands of local elite who drive Lexus trucks but also regular guys who ride motorbikes. These are places to drink and have fun, usually in a group. Sometimes a girl with go with a guy and sometime they won't. Sometimes they want money and sometimes they don't. Of course tips for the time in the KTV and beergardens are always expected. A few exclusive KTVs would probably blow your mind. Local guys can easily blow $500 in a night just to drink, have fun and retire to a private room with a girl.

For guys who do want to buy sex immediately there are a few options. One is dirty local brothels but they are becoming less common. There are more on the outskirts than in the middle of the city and they are very cheap. The elite never go to these. Mostly guys who make $100-200 a month. Most foreigners never see them or never notice if they do see them. These sometimes double as $2. 50 massage places but not always. Most Khmer guys go to massage places for actual massages. The idea of paying for a handjob is unheard of.

Another option is the fish bowl type of massage. These are usually hidden in hotels. There are a half dozen in Phnom Penh. Guys walk in, point out a girl and go to a room. The rates are equal to or higher than the bars foreigners go to. Many guys that go to these places are sitting on huge amounts of money and aren't cheap. Those Lexus you see everywhere were purchased with cash.

Cambodians don't go out alone very often. It's almost never seen. Guys or girls. They like a warm open party atmosphere with singing and dancing. Even when guys go to a fish bowl type sex massage they often come in a group.

Foreigners are different. They go out alone, slide up to a bar and hunch over a beer. That's why the bars sprung up (during UNITAC, for foreign soldiers and officials). That's why they keep growing too. They almost never have local customers. These are places guys go to drink, play games and have fun. A few are basically brothels doubled as bars but its becoming less common. More common are places with nice girls who want to meet foreigners and have fun. Some go out with customers sometimes. Some never go out. These aren't working girl houses. A lot of girls are looking for a husband or boyfriend at least part time. This started with UNITAC too. Guys on the ground started giving them money to stay with them for months or even years. A "local rent a wife. " This practice still abounds for many guys on business for extended periods.

Foreigners who like the party atmosphere go to clubs like Pontoon and try to find a freelancer.

Foreigners who want to buy sex immediately can go to the few bars where every woman wants nothing more than a bar fine. Or they can go to the fish bowl type places mentioned where they will pay 30-60 for a short session. Or they will go to the bar at Nagaworld Casino where they will pay even more. Or they can go to a local brothel if they want to risk it. Or they can go to a guest house and ask one of the guys out front to call a girl up for them. That usually costs 10-30 dollars.

Lots of guys are happy to spend an extra dollar on a drink to have a nice young lady to sit with them. That's what the bars are organized around for the most part. The girls aren't looking to fuck multiple guys a day and make big money. If they were they would work in a fish bowl.

Have a nice day.

[QUOTE=PPMassage;1791585]Anyone had luck (HJ) from the blind massage places?[/QUOTE]Those are the least like massage places to offer it. In any country. It's a no go.

There are several places that do offer it normally though. Almost any massage place on Sothearos south of Sihanouk for example.

[QUOTE=BronzeMan;1794065]Those are the least like massage places to offer it. In any country. It's a no go.

There are several places that do offer it normally though. Almost any massage place on Sothearos south of Sihanouk for example.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your reply. Are you talking about the places near the 'white building'? They just seemed to obvious for me. I like places such as souk's place. Looks legit, but offers HJ with some cute girls. Any other such places?

I only found souk's place by riverside offering HJ. I couldn't believe how hard it was to find HJ riverside.

[QUOTE=PPMassage;1794154]Thank you for your reply. Are you talking about the places near the 'white building'? They just seemed to obvious for me. I like places such as souk's place. Looks legit, but offers HJ with some cute girls. Any other such places?

I only found souk's place by riverside offering HJ. I couldn't believe how hard it was to find HJ riverside.[/QUOTE]I guess you can describe them that way if you're not happy with the way I described the area. But "the white building" doesn't appear on any map by that name while Sothearos Street certainly does. Anyway, yes that entire row of massage parlors on the left when traveling south offers HJ. Most of the 10,000 Riel places on the right side further south do too but they are absolutely disgusting inside. As do the massage places north of what Phnom on France street and probably 50 other places in PP.

Riverside is more hit or miss and has been for the last few years. Tourist influxes, NGOs with spy cameras and wanting to clean up the image of the most popular part of the city is the cause.

What is "Souk's Place"? Do you mean Sokun's Place? It was on the riverside for years. HJ was normal but usually not skilled and with a high asking price. Then it moved next to Kiwi Mart on Street 110. It's not there anymore. Did it move again or close?

[QUOTE=PPMassage;1794154]Thank you for your reply. Are you talking about the places near the 'white building'? They just seemed to obvious for me. I like places such as souk's place. Looks legit, but offers HJ with some cute girls. Any other such places?

I only found souk's place by riverside offering HJ. I couldn't believe how hard it was to find HJ riverside.[/QUOTE]Barbershop with massage room straight opposite La Cyrcee 100%. Massage shops on the circle of what Phnom, N. O. Site, Up market massage place corner of Street 252 and the one west of street 51, cannot remember street number. That ate just a few doable places. Shops on Riversite north of what Phnom, no go with exception of site street where the Vietnamese cafe is on the corner. There is a Viets barberskop with OK massage room in the back.

[QUOTE=Tercar66;1791293]Hi friends,

I will be traveling to Phnom Penh next week and staying at Cardmom hotel. As this in my first trip to Phnom Penh, please suggest if this this hotel is girl friendly and the best pick up places and massage parlours near this hotel.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Hi Tercar,

You shouldn't have a problem to bring back a girl to the hotel, just ask at reception before check in.

This hotel is located near the best discos; just walk down Poonton to pick up some attractive freelancer. The best time is to go after 11 pm. For daytime fun, pay a visit to the Walk About hotel two block away from your hotel, they have got a good selection of girls.

Not so far from you, there is a massage parlor called Massa located near the independent monument, street 252. The massage is 10 $, for extras start from 30 $ to 50 $.

Have a great holiday.

Rocco

It's been 6 years since I was last in Cambodia and I'm thinking about heading back next month. Last time I had a tuk-tuk driver who showed me around but I'm keen to hire a motorbike / scooter this time and do a bit of exploring. I wouldn't mind checking out a few of the places on the outskirts, including K11. Not for any nefarious reason but just out of interest to see such an infamous place. I know the traffic in PP can be a bit crazy but I'm sure it's doable. Any opinions? Obviously I want to get girls from the usual bars but would also like to see a bit more of the 'down & dirty'.

I hope my last visit prompted a distasteful review of Caramel Bar on Street 130. Let me reiterate: their aggressive lady-drink policies; the lady-swarm that leaves you unable to connect with your chosen partner; and the actual lack of talented women (they're so accustomed to sitting around sucking down lady drinks that they have no idea what to do in bed.) On the other hand, the well-reviewed Honey Pot Bar is just a few doors down, and Angry Birds are the other way on 130 with lots of lookers as well. Avoid Caramel Bar in light of much better choices.

[QUOTE=BronzeMan;1794290]I guess you can describe them that way if you're not happy with the way I described the area. But "the white building" doesn't appear on any map by that name while Sothearos Street certainly does. Anyway, yes that entire row of massage parlors on the left when traveling south offers HJ. Most of the 10,000 Riel places on the right side further south do too but they are absolutely disgusting inside. As do the massage places north of what Phnom on France street and probably 50 other places in PP.

Riverside is more hit or miss and has been for the last few years. Tourist influxes, NGOs with spy cameras and wanting to clean up the image of the most popular part of the city is the cause.

What is "Souk's Place"? Do you mean Sokun's Place? It was on the riverside for years. HJ was normal but usually not skilled and with a high asking price. Then it moved next to Kiwi Mart on Street 110. It's not there anymore. Did it move again or close?[/QUOTE]Yes, Souk's Place is what I meant, thank you. It was located on the river when I was last there, so glad you mentioned it moved before I head back.

Thank you for your help.

[QUOTE=NspectHerGadgt;1796556]I hope my last visit prompted a distasteful review of Caramel Bar on Street 130. Let me reiterate: their aggressive lady-drink policies; the lady-swarm that leaves you unable to connect with your chosen partner; and the actual lack of talented women (they're so accustomed to sitting around sucking down lady drinks that they have no idea what to do in bed.) On the other hand, the well-reviewed Honey Pot Bar is just a few doors down, and Angry Birds are the other way on 130 with lots of lookers as well. Avoid Caramel Bar in light of much better choices.[/QUOTE]I'd agree with this too. Many bars have "mosquito" girls that hang around you and pester for drinks even when you've bought your favoured girl a drink. Very annoying. Another bar nearby to definitely avoid is Pasha Bar in street 118. The girls are either mosquito girls or totally disinterested even when offered a ladydrink. Strange. Plus it has a heavy-handed and occasionally aggressive German manager.

The nice thing about Angry Birds and Honeypot in 130 is that the girls are very friendly but aren't allowed to actually ask for ladydrinks or be mosquitos so it makes for a much pleasanter experience, especially as there are some real hotties in both bars.

Street 130 is turning into a good area for nice bars, a change from the "in your face" type of bars that also tend to pad your bills in nearby street 136.

Other current recommendations include the noisy but fun Double D bar in 110 (but check your bills carefully) and the smart "@ the Office bar" in 118.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1797307]I'd agree with this too. Many bars have "mosquito" girls that hang around you and pester for drinks even when you've bought your favoured girl a drink. Very annoying. Another bar nearby to definitely avoid is Pasha Bar in street 118. The girls are either mosquito girls or totally disinterested even when offered a ladydrink. Strange. Plus it has a heavy-handed and occasionally aggressive German manager.

The nice thing about Angry Birds and Honeypot in 130 is that the girls are very friendly but aren't allowed to actually ask for ladydrinks or be mosquitos so it makes for a much pleasanter experience, especially as there are some real hotties in both bars.

Street 130 is turning into a good area for nice bars, a change from the "in your face" type of bars that also tend to pad your bills in nearby street 136.

Other current recommendations include the noisy but fun Double D bar in 110 (but check your bills carefully) and the smart "@ the Office bar" in 118.[/QUOTE]AussieGuy don't you own bars in Phnom Penh? You should disclose that before you make "recommendations."

[QUOTE=BronzeMan;1797686]AussieGuy don't you own bars in Phnom Penh? You should disclose that before you make "recommendations."[/QUOTE]Busted. Sort of. I used to own a half share in Loco bar in street 130 two years ago but sold out after a year. I got exhausted with the long hours. The reality of running a bar does not match the dream.

If you look back through my posts you'll see that I've tried to be honest in my opinions and 'recommendations'. I've usually offered opinions on multiple bars or other attractions with the general aim of trying to help newcomers to Phnom Penh have a good time and not get ripped off.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1797824]Busted. Sort of. I used to own a half share in Loco bar in street 130 two years ago but sold out after a year. I got exhausted with the long hours. The reality of running a bar does not match the dream.

If you look back through my posts you'll see that I've tried to be honest in my opinions and 'recommendations'. I've usually offered opinions on multiple bars or other attractions with the general aim of trying to help newcomers to Phnom Penh have a good time and not get ripped off.[/QUOTE]Thanks Aussie Guy and Bronze as us newcomers to PP appreciate these updates as to areas to focus on for a relaxing drink amongst the eye candy, biased or not. Now wondering if I should change my hotel closer to 130 and also avoid 136 bars altogether. Still seeking input for PP daytime action, whether MP'S or Bars. Thanks, NY.

I don't know who owns what, nor do I care to know, but I've seen the same people managing at Loco Bar, Angry Birds Bar, and now Honey Pot Bar. All on Street 130 and all recommended by you more than once here. The two other bars on the same part of the street are criticized. Is this just a coincidence? Smells fishy to me.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1489552]Try Loco Bar on street 130, next to 136 Bar.

It's a fairly new bar with about 20 girls and some real cuties amongst them. All the girls are very friendly and don't hassle you for ladydrinks. The music isn't deafeningly loud and as a bonus, the place has the best toilets of any bar I've been in. There are a few virgin girls but plenty who will go out.

Also Golden Vine on street 108 is worth a visit. Usually a fun atmosphere there, and plenty of girls, almost all of whom go out. Some real lookers too.

Oasis on street 136 can be enjoyable. Lots of girls and often a real buzzy atmosphere.

Airforce on street 104 is a must visit, just to experience 40-50 girls in one bar. But check your bill carefully if you buy a lot of drinks, there seem to be frequent 'mistakes' in adding your bill up.[/QUOTE]I agree, BronzeMan. It is a little fishy. But only a little. This report wrote AG100 when he was still owner of Loco Bar. It is fishy. There was several other reports very positive review of Loco Bar. I was suspicious. Did the owner give drinks to customers, who wrote positive about Loco Bar on ISG? I don't know, but I know that when I am in Phnom Penh I very offen stay in Sarys Guesthouse very close to Loco Bar and that Loco Bar is very nice. I always enjoy to come there. I also enjoy Angry Bird. I have not tried Honey Pot yet.

If you read other reports from AG100 you can se that he is very helpful.

I know the other half owner (now full owner) of the Loco Bar and never got a freebie from him. But I did pull a nice girl out for a few hours in my room and would certainly return. No rip-offs, nice ambiance and best of all, a nice stable of girls. YMMV.

I dunno who owns what now or in the past but as a visitor to PP I've always got reliable and unbiased info here from Aussie Guy and others (e.g. Wendella). They have certainly helped me to discover new bars and negotiate the changing scene in Phnom Penh. As I have said here before bars with on-site western owners which seem to cover a few in Street 130 tend to be better run and more lively than a lot of the those run by a local manager.

Cheers to all.

Bubba.

[QUOTE=Bubba999;1798504]I dunno who owns what now or in the past but as a visitor to PP I've always got reliable and unbiased info here from Aussie Guy and others (e.g. Wendella). They have certainly helped me to discover new bars and negotiate the changing scene in Phnom Penh. As I have said here before bars with on-site western owners which seem to cover a few in Street 130 tend to be better run and more lively than a lot of the those run by a local manager.

Cheers to all.

Bubba.[/QUOTE]The latter for sure. And that also counts for Street 104 bars. Streets 110 and 118 also have some talent and western bar owners.

[QUOTE=AussieFella;1795672]It's been 6 years since I was last in Cambodia and I'm thinking about heading back next month. Last time I had a tuk-tuk driver who showed me around but I'm keen to hire a motorbike / scooter this time and do a bit of exploring. I wouldn't mind checking out a few of the places on the outskirts, including K11. Not for any nefarious reason but just out of interest to see such an infamous place. I know the traffic in PP can be a bit crazy but I'm sure it's doable. Any opinions? Obviously I want to get girls from the usual bars but would also like to see a bit more of the 'down & dirty'.[/QUOTE]I also wanted to rent a bike when I was in PP a few days ago but it seems that they all want to keep our original passport before renting the bike. Just leaving a copy of the passport was not allowed. Please let us know if you find a place that does not need your original passport.

I'm having a pretty rough time in Phnom Penh's hostess bars. I was really looking forward to spending a month here after breaking up with my Vietnamese girlfriend. I had some awesome times here in the past, but this time the girls keep saying they are on their period when I ask them out. Or they ask for an outrageous amount of money. And if they do come back, they won't allow sex.

I had one good experience at Shanghai. There's no barfine there, but my girl told me to meet her outside at 3. It was good, but she got way too attached, and I don't want a girlfriend.

I met a Viet beauty at one bar. The Cambodians can't hold a candle to them. Of course she would not go with me. Phnom Penh is a frustrating place.

Thinking back to what worked in the past, for each of my good experiences, there had to be some chemistry, either real, or she had to be making an effort. All the girls this time have been cold fishes. They'll let me buy drinks for them, but they aren't interested in anything else.

Either the girls have gotten worse here, or I have lost my mojo.

Heading to Snookyville in a few days. Maybe I will have better luck there.

Hi,

I am coming to PP for a short stay in February. I have booked a nice room (I Hope?.) at The Lux Riverside on street 136. I have chosen this hotel because of it's location. I am hoping there are no judgmental tourist type's I may have to deal with. (Naughty Boy Street far too seedy for their stay. Hopefully.) Has anyone here, ever had a bad experience with the Walk Of Shame at this hotel? I get a little paranoid when it comes to the WOS. As I had a very bad experience with this, the last time I was in PP. I just want to enjoy myself when I am there. Fingers crossed I have a better time than FreeWillyBruh.

Thanks

My knowledge of Phnom Penh is fairly limited having been there only twice for short periods and that was over 5 years ago. In planning this upcoming trip I realized that from a mongering perspective I was limiting myself basically to an area bounded by what Phnom in the north and Independence Monument in the south and Riverside to Monivong Bvd in the west.

So, please tell me I'm wrong, I know there has to be more out there, I just don't know what and where and I don't mean mainstream tourism, I've got that part covered. For instance in Patts the other side of the rail tracks is an interesting and adventurous diversion but rarely considered.

Thanks and I'm looking forward to you opening my Phnom Penh horizons.

Sorry FreeWillyBruh. I mean Terrym1. 6 Beers later. One more thing, On what street is at The Office Bar?. And is it OK.

[QUOTE=Terrym1;1799526]I'm having a pretty rough time in Phnom Penh's hostess bars. I was really looking forward to spending a month here after breaking up with my Vietnamese girlfriend. I had some awesome times here in the past, but this time the girls keep saying they are on their period when I ask them out. Or they ask for an outrageous amount of money. And if they do come back, they won't allow sex.

I had one good experience at Shanghai. There's no barfine there, but my girl told me to meet her outside at 3. It was good, but she got way too attached, and I don't want a girlfriend.

I met a Viet beauty at one bar. The Cambodians can't hold a candle to them. Of course she would not go with me. Phnom Penh is a frustrating place.

Thinking back to what worked in the past, for each of my good experiences, there had to be some chemistry, either real, or she had to be making an effort. All the girls this time have been cold fishes. They'll let me buy drinks for them, but they aren't interested in anything else.

Either the girls have gotten worse here, or I have lost my mojo.

Heading to Snookyville in a few days. Maybe I will have better luck there.[/QUOTE]Generally I find it's better to take a girl from PP to Sihanoukville rather than rely on finding a decent one there. It can be really hit and miss down there at the beaches.

I'm having no trouble getting almost every hostess to say yes to going out.

A few tips.

Make sure you are clean and presentable. The girls will respond much better to guys who don't have bad breath and sweaty armpits. If possible be generous with ladydrinks. The girls then think you are a nice guy and are more likely to say yes.

Visit a girl two nights in a row. This makes her feel special and again more likely to say yes when you pop the question on the second visit.

I tend to buy one drink then ask the girl if she "sometimes goes out".

If she says no I can cut my losses. If she says yes then I know I've got a fair chance of her saying yes later.

Stick to the better bars. Look back through previous posts to get an idea of which bars have decent girls and which are perhaps not so good.

Don't be a total cheapskate when negotiating. If you stay chilled it will result in a much better atmosphere later in the bedroom.

Going rates in hostess bars still seem to be 30-40 short time and 35-60 all night. Yes you can always get cheaper rates from smaller sleazier bars or from freelancers.

If a girl quotes you 100 she is politely saying that she doesn't want to go with you. Accept it and move on. Unless you're at Darling Darling at Naga where this seems to be the standard extortionate rate.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1799943]Generally I find it's better to take a girl from PP to Sihanoukville rather than rely on finding a decent one there. It can be really hit and miss down there at the beaches.

I'm having no trouble getting almost every hostess to say yes to going out.

A few tips.

Make sure you are clean and presentable. The girls will respond much better to guys who don't have bad breath and sweaty armpits. If possible be generous with ladydrinks. The girls then think you are a nice guy and are more likely to say yes.

Visit a girl two nights in a row. This makes her feel special and again more likely to say yes when you pop the question on the second visit.

I tend to buy one drink then ask the girl if she "sometimes goes out".

If she says no I can cut my losses. If she says yes then I know I've got a fair chance of her saying yes later.

Stick to the better bars. Look back through previous posts to get an idea of which bars have decent girls and which are perhaps not so good.

Don't be a total cheapskate when negotiating. If you stay chilled it will result in a much better atmosphere later in the bedroom.

Going rates in hostess bars still seem to be 30-40 short time and 35-60 all night. Yes you can always get cheaper rates from smaller sleazier bars or from freelancers.

If a girl quotes you 100 she is politely saying that she doesn't want to go with you. Accept it and move on. Unless you're at Darling Darling at Naga where this seems to be the standard extortionate rate.[/QUOTE]I agre with most of this AG100. In Phnom Penh most girls I ask want to go with me. Many people don't understand or accept the difference to Thailand.

In Phnom Penh I most times pay 40 dollar LT + 10 dollar BF.

I never take girl from Phnom Penh to Sihanoukville. It is very easy to find nice girl in Sihanoukville. I pay most times 30 dollar LT + BF 10 dollar.

My problem was that I was being too picky. After spending time in Pattaya and Angeles, I wanted to suss out the prettiest 21 year old in each bar and take her. But those girls are just distractions. They'll happily let you buy them drinks all night, but have no intention of going. There were plenty of older girls I had some chemistry with that probably would have went with me. And there was the Shanghai girl who wanted to be my girlfriend. This is not point and click like Pattaya. You have to have a real rapport to have a shot taking them out of the bar. It's sort of more like the real world, where you take what you can get.

So I won't be picky in Snookyville.

[QUOTE=Terrym1;1800733]My problem was that I was being too picky. After spending time in Pattaya and Angeles, I wanted to suss out the prettiest 21 year old in each bar and take her. But those girls are just distractions. They'll happily let you buy them drinks all night, but have no intention of going. There were plenty of older girls I had some chemistry with that probably would have went with me. And there was the Shanghai girl who wanted to be my girlfriend. This is not point and click like Pattaya. You have to have a real rapport to have a shot taking them out of the bar. It's sort of more like the real world, where you take what you can get.

So I won't be picky in Snookyville.[/QUOTE]I wish you luck in Sihanoukville. I look forward to read your rapport on the Sihanoukville tread.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1799943]Generally I find it's better to take a girl from PP to Sihanoukville rather than rely on finding a decent one there. It can be really hit and miss down there at the beaches.

I'm having no trouble getting almost every hostess to say yes to going out.

A few tips.

Make sure you are clean and presentable. The girls will respond much better to guys who don't have bad breath and sweaty armpits. If possible be generous with ladydrinks. The girls then think you are a nice guy and are more likely to say yes.

Visit a girl two nights in a row. This makes her feel special and again more likely to say yes when you pop the question on the second visit.

I tend to buy one drink then ask the girl if she "sometimes goes out".

If she says no I can cut my losses. If she says yes then I know I've got a fair chance of her saying yes later.

Stick to the better bars. Look back through previous posts to get an idea of which bars have decent girls and which are perhaps not so good.

Don't be a total cheapskate when negotiating. If you stay chilled it will result in a much better atmosphere later in the bedroom.

Going rates in hostess bars still seem to be 30-40 short time and 35-60 all night. Yes you can always get cheaper rates from smaller sleazier bars or from freelancers.

If a girl quotes you 100 she is politely saying that she doesn't want to go with you. Accept it and move on. Unless you're at Darling Darling at Naga where this seems to be the standard extortionate rate.[/QUOTE]Great concise advise AussieGuy. Going Phnom Penh around end first week Dec but only two nights. RTFF for about one year back but didn't make cheat sheet. Also going HK, Siem Reap, Chiangmai Mai, ending in Pattaya for a week and all the info has become a blur except price, warnings, hotels friendly, and general target rich areas. Staying PP along river in 136 street area. Never read distinction between good hostess bar and not for getting a fyt as opposed to more ripened ladies. Unless talking about expensive casino establishments. Not a disco type anymore as it tends to be for younger crowd. Is it just do the walk and check the merchandise as best possible from the 136 street area or are there true and tested bars along this street? Also, is pontoon walk about area also good for hostess bars or just discos along this 51st street (numbering is confusing in google maps as I'm guessing this is Pasture street as no number is listed for this street). I know I've got zero intell but plan on posting daily during my vacation. Play safe. FH69.

Before I get ripped on my earlier post, I see an excellent new and recent discussion on bars in 130 street area. Seems like enough recommendations for my two nights. Thanks to all. Excellent site. I'm a senior member on what appears like sister site for USA Hobbyists so if anyone is visiting Mickey Mouse state, I can provide good Intel.

FH69

[QUOTE=FunHobby69;1800893]Great concise advise AussieGuy. Going Phnom Penh around end first week Dec but only two nights. RTFF for about one year back but didn't make cheat sheet. Also going HK, Siem Reap, Chiangmai Mai, ending in Pattaya for a week and all the info has become a blur except price, warnings, hotels friendly, and general target rich areas. Staying PP along river in 136 street area. Never read distinction between good hostess bar and not for getting a fyt as opposed to more ripened ladies. Unless talking about expensive casino establishments. Not a disco type anymore as it tends to be for younger crowd. Is it just do the walk and check the merchandise as best possible from the 136 street area or are there true and tested bars along this street? Also, is pontoon walk about area also good for hostess bars or just discos along this 51st street (numbering is confusing in google maps as I'm guessing this is Pasture street as no number is listed for this street). I know I've got zero intell but plan on posting daily during my vacation. Play safe. FH69.[/QUOTE]Yes, Street 51 is Pastur Street. Besides Street 130, I can recommend 104 but also 110 and 118 have some talent inside. The only venue with pretty girls in Street 51 is Shanghai but most girls there are for LD's only. Opposite Shanghai in Black Cat but there YMMV. Good luck, for me another 8 weeks before back in PP.

I remember reading once about a BJ / HJ Bar a block or two away from the river from the Blue Pumpkin cafe. I have read back on the forums here and have not found anything. I have a friend who will be traveling to PP for business next week and wanted to give him a heads up on the place. Am I just getting old or is there a place of this sort near the river?

More upward pricing pressures.

Le Crycee bar fine went up from $7 to $10. Mandatory $3 lady drink remains. Girls now will ask for $30 (instead of $25). You probably can get some of the less popular girls to accept less. Hence the price will be $43 ($10 + $3 + $30). Plus the cost of the short time guest house across the street.

Had conversations with a few of the girls. They said all / most of the girls have boyfriends or husbands. Some know, some don't. Hence some of the girls absolutely have to leave when the bar closes.

Even if they don't have a partner, many of them live far away, and life starts early for them. They want to leave on time to get a few hours of sleep.

[QUOTE=NevilleNobody;1799794]My knowledge of Phnom Penh is fairly limited having been there only twice for short periods and that was over 5 years ago. In planning this upcoming trip I realized that from a mongering perspective I was limiting myself basically to an area bounded by what Phnom in the north and Independence Monument in the south and Riverside to Monivong Bvd in the west.

So, please tell me I'm wrong, I know there has to be more out there, I just don't know what and where and I don't mean mainstream tourism, I've got that part covered. For instance in Patts the other side of the rail tracks is an interesting and adventurous diversion but rarely considered.

Thanks and I'm looking forward to you opening my Phnom Penh horizons.[/QUOTE]Sorry for bumping this question. I asked it earlier but it got buried and lost.

It occurred to me that a possible reason girls didn't want to go with me was where I was staying. Since I was staying for a month, I thought it would be nice to rent an apartment. But short-term apartments are hard to find in Phnom Penh. The only place I would was in the BKK1 neighborhood near Independence Monument. That's a 30 minute walk to Riverside, or a $3 tuk tuk ride. It's a fine area to live, and I have my own moto to get around, so I thought it would be OK. But some girls asked me where I was staying. When I said BKK1 or Independence Monument, they had no idea what I was talking about. Since they had no idea where I was staying, they probably decided they didn't want to go with me.

Something I wonder about is what to do about the real pretty young girls that sucker me into buying them a drink. They don't speak a word of English and there are no games, so it's impossible to build rapport with them. They just stand there aloofly. I just cut my losses and leave. I wonder if folks have any luck just directly asking them to go. I get the feeling they would demur.

[QUOTE=Terrym1;1801716]It occurred to me that a possible reason girls didn't want to go with me was where I was staying. Since I was staying for a month, I thought it would be nice to rent an apartment. But short-term apartments are hard to find in Phnom Penh. The only place I would was in the BKK1 neighborhood near Independence Monument. That's a 30 minute walk to Riverside, or a $3 tuk tuk ride. It's a fine area to live, and I have my own moto to get around, so I thought it would be OK. But some girls asked me where I was staying. When I said BKK1 or Independence Monument, they had no idea what I was talking about.

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[/QUOTE]I recently stayed in a nice hotel just past Independance monument. Was in PP for about 5 days. Took tuk tuk ecvery day to and from riverside. Was $2 every time. Never pid more. I know its only $1 difference but no need to over pay. My hotel even had a map showing the area that's a $2 charge. (a big circle from Independence covering all of riverside).

Hi Guys,

Just one quick question. Should I pay for the Girl and for bar fine in USD or local currency. In case generally if the girls are paid in USD then I will not bring 100 USD bills, I will get smaller bills. In case generally if the girls are paid in the local currency then I will exchange my 100 USD bills at the exchange or bank whoever gives better rates.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Tercar66;1801783]Should I pay for the Girl and for bar fine in USD or local currency[/QUOTE]The de-facto currency is the US dollar. The ATMs dispense US dollars. Someone mentioned that some ATMs dispense both US dollar and Riel. I haven't seen that.

The local currency the Riel, is used as change for a dollar, and it is also used as currency in the local markets (since local people are paid in Riel). Local market is defined as the outdoor markets. Malls and high end products are priced in US dollars.

The quick exchange number is 4000 Riel for $1. The market rate is 4000 something. Around 4060 (it varies). You can gain couple of percent if you exchange the US dollar for Riel. You can exchange it at the exchange booths / houses. They are around everywhere. Decent rates are around the Central Market.

Some bars / restaurants will only accept Riel at 4100 to $1, so you will lose a little in the exchange rate.

Hence...You can pay with Riel in order to save couple of percent. But some places won't accept Riel at the 4000 rate. I am assuming the girls won't complain.

[QUOTE=Tercar66;1801783]Hi Guys,

Just one quick question. Should I pay for the Girl and for bar fine in USD or local currency.

Thanks[/QUOTE]US $ widely used, bars, girls and tuk drivers all prefer same; just bring small denominations.

Went to several hostess bars on Street 136 and 104 last night. In those bars, lady drinks went up from $3 to $3.50, with the girl getting $1.50 instead of $1.

[QUOTE=Terrym1;1801716]Something I wonder about is what to do about the real pretty young girls that sucker me into buying them a drink. They don't speak a word of English and there are no games, so it's impossible to build rapport with them. They just stand there aloofly. I just cut my losses and leave. I wonder if folks have any luck just directly asking them to go. I get the feeling they would demur.[/QUOTE]If you care about that drink, you should ask her "do you barfine?" before you buy her that drink.

The hostess bar usually have games behind the bar, such as connect 4 and dice games.

You can ask the girl to massage you. You can also probably grab her ass, over her clothes. You can also ask a girl, who speaks English well, to be a translator (although this will add to the cost).

To reduce your cost, you can just give her tips (dollar bills) and not buy lady drinks.

- There was a decent looking young (18 or 19) girl at Zanibar on Street 104. Her sister said she was a virgin and didn't barfine. I asked if she "yum yum". They just laughed.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1802214]Went to several hostess bars on Street 136 and 104 last night. In those bars, lady drinks went up from $3 to $3.50, with the girl getting $1.50 instead of $1.

If you care about that drink, you should ask her "do you barfine?" before you buy her that drink.

The hostess bar usually have games behind the bar, such as connect 4 and dice games.

You can ask the girl to massage you. You can also probably grab her ass, over her clothes. You can also ask a girl, who speaks English well, to be a translator (although this will add to the cost).

To reduce your cost, you can just give her tips (dollar bills) and not buy lady drinks.

- There was a decent looking young (18 or 19) girl at Zanibar on Street 104. Her sister said she was a virgin and didn't barfine. I asked if she "yum yum". They just laughed.[/QUOTE]These are great tactics Green Bud that I will deploy next month and thanks for the update on the increased costs. I don't mind buying rounds of drinks but would always get pissed when I went to barfine the now drunk hottie, and the, No, she no go ensues!

Are there and bars in PP where everyone is barfinable?

[QUOTE=FreeWillyBruh;1802241]
Are there any bars in PP where everyone is barfinable?[/QUOTE]Yeah, Darling Darling in Naga World Casino Hotel, but DD is not a hostess bar. It is an international hotel FL pickup bar like Brix at the Hyatt in Singapore or CJ's at the Mulia Hotel in Jakarta. Darling Darling is like travelling to another world compared to the Riverside hostess bars. DD fills up and gets very busy with customers and girls by 11pm every night (in March and April anyway when I usually visit PP). They have a rock and roll cover band. The music is decent. Sometimes there is not an empty seat in the house, but that does not matter. You can stand by the bar or find girls in the atrium where there is more seating. Most of the customers are high rolling Asians, but there are always a few farangs like myself there as well. The big incentive to come to this bar is obviously the large number of good looking FL's that are present there every night. The girls are Cambodian and all the FL's in Darling Darling are there for pick up. There is no doubt about that and no games. You will never hear a girl say she is on her "mens" here and they are not looking for drinks per se. Just start up a conversation with any available girl you like. $100 for Short Time is the price. The girls will not come down from that. They would rather head over to Pontoon around 3am to try their luck there if they can't land a customer at DD. The girls dress upscale, are well coiffed, and on average look better than most hostess girls, but not all. I have picked up a number of great girls here and most have given me the GFE. A funny thing is after the first night ST session, my favorite girls wanted to see me again and on the 2nd night they always forgot about the ST and gave me LT for the same price without my asking. Go figure Khmer girls. They are a mystery to me. That is part of their charm. I still like hanging out in my favorite hostess bars early in the evening, say from 8:30 to 10:30, but if I don't find any hostess girls worth barfining I happily head over to Darling Darling around 11pm. It is my Ace in the Hole when I am visiting Phnom Penh.

Nagaworld casino girls are upscale and kind of snotty. I took few girls from the bar and satisfaction is 50-50. Not at all GFE. I paid $60 LT. If you are staying at the casino hotel it is good. However you will find very good GFE girls at other local bars.

I would take a nice looking girl from one of the bars into the casino. They really get the the thrill. Of course I ask them to dress up. You get free Buffett dinner at the casino. Just go to the host desk and ask for two vouchers. No question asked. Very good tasty Buffett.

Casino bar girls are primarily looking for Asian gamblers who need a quick romp and pay good.

Hi Sammon,

You are a better man than me if you paid only $60 for LT with your Darling Darling girls. Do you speak Khmer? I ask because I never got the girls to go under $100 for me. Then again I don't really negotiate with my girls. I either accept their price or politely bow out if I think it is too high. I prefer instead to concentrate on creating a good vibe with the girl. Maybe that's why my satisfaction rate is 100% with these girls. I don't know.

I posted a couple of trip reports about my two 2014 Darling Darling girls at the time, but I don't think I posted a detailed report about my 2015 trip. It was a lot of fun. I will check my journal entries that I keep while travelling and post updates of my Phnom Penh experiences. The two Darling Darling girls I met this year were really nice. I fondly remember lying on the couch in my hotel room one night, semi nude, and holding one of my girls close. The lights were turned low and she was singing traditional Khmer love songs softly in my ear. Then later we shagged while the love songs continued on the TV. It was a very good night.

NB.

P.S. Thanks for the good tip about the casino dinner buffet. I think I will try it next time I visit the Naga World Casino.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1802923]Hi Sammon,

You are a better man than me if you paid only $60 for LT with your Darling Darling girls. Do you speak Khmer? I ask because I never got the girls to go under $100 for me. Then again I don't really negotiate with my girls. I either accept their price or politely bow out if I think it is too high. I prefer instead to concentrate on creating a good vibe with the girl. Maybe that's why my satisfaction rate is 100% with these girls. I don't know.

I posted a couple of trip reports about my two 2014 Darling Darling girls at the time, but I don't think I posted a detailed report about my 2015 trip. It was a lot of fun. I will check my journal entries that I keep while travelling and post updates of my Phnom Penh experiences. The two Darling Darling girls I met this year were really nice. I fondly remember lying together on the couch in my hotel room one night semi nude with one of my girls. The lights were turned low and she was singing traditional Khmer love songs softly in my ear. Then later we shagged while the love songs continued on the TV. It was a very good night.

NB.

P.S. Thanks for the good tip about the casino dinner buffet. I think I will try it next time I visit the Naga World Casino.[/QUOTE]Thanks again Natty and Sammon as your reports will certainly assist me next month. I just hope some prework can weed out the uninterested and maybe get lucky with a PSE. Appreciate the info!

[QUOTE=BronzeMan;1794063]

Lots of guys are happy to spend an extra dollar on a drink to have a nice young lady to sit with them. That's what the bars are organized around for the most part. The girls aren't looking to fuck multiple guys a day and make big money. If they were they would work in a fish bowl.

Have a nice day.[/QUOTE]Well there's pages and pages of guys here reporting frustration with those bars. One guy after another reports buying lots of drinks only to eventually find out the girl won't go out. Sorry, really hard to believe bar owners are not aware of this particular customer service problem. If they want to clear things up they could just stop letting girls go out for ST or FT. Then we would see how many guys are happy to spend extra dollars to just sit with a nice young lady and talk.

[QUOTE=Terrym1;1801716]It occurred to me that a possible reason girls didn't want to go with me was where I was staying. Since I was staying for a month, I thought it would be nice to rent an apartment. But short-term apartments are hard to find in Phnom Penh. The only place I would was in the BKK1 neighborhood near Independence Monument. That's a 30 minute walk to Riverside, or a $3 tuk tuk ride. It's a fine area to live, and I have my own moto to get around, so I thought it would be OK. But some girls asked me where I was staying. When I said BKK1 or Independence Monument, they had no idea what I was talking about. Since they had no idea where I was staying, they probably decided they didn't want to go with me.

Something I wonder about is what to do about the real pretty young girls that sucker me into buying them a drink. They don't speak a word of English and there are no games, so it's impossible to build rapport with them. They just stand there aloofly. I just cut my losses and leave. I wonder if folks have any luck just directly asking them to go. I get the feeling they would demur.[/QUOTE]Sorry, a bit off topic here but can I ask how much you paid for a months rent in a local neighborhood? I was there a few years ago and thought about coming back and staying a month or two. I'll probably stay at NaNa hotel for a bit, they gave me 18 usd for a week stay w / breakfast which is reasonable but rooms are tiny.

[QUOTE=LoveTool;1803783]Well there's pages and pages of guys here reporting frustration with those bars. One guy after another reports buying lots of drinks only to eventually find out the girl won't go out. Sorry, really hard to believe bar owners are not aware of this particular customer service problem. If they want to clear things up they could just stop letting girls go out for ST or FT. Then we would see how many guys are happy to spend extra dollars to just sit with a nice young lady and talk.[/QUOTE]There are several bars that don't have bar fines or let workers leave with customers, and they have been around longer than all the other bars. Shanghai is one very good example.

Bars where every woman bar fines every time are among the least busy and least popular. See Island Bar and City Bar. Customers are few and far between.

There's really no excuse to wander blindly into a bar in this day and age especially for people who know sites like this exist. You can know what a place is like before you visit and you can find out the difference between hostess bars and brothels.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1802918]Nagaworld casino girls are upscale and kind of snotty. I took few girls from the bar and satisfaction is 50-50. Not at all GFE. I paid $60 LT. If you are staying at the casino hotel it is good. However you will find very good GFE girls at other local bars.

I would take a nice looking girl from one of the bars into the casino. They really get the the thrill. Of course I ask them to dress up. You get free Buffett dinner at the casino. Just go to the host desk and ask for two vouchers. No question asked. Very good tasty Buffett.

Casino bar girls are primarily looking for Asian gamblers who need a quick romp and pay good.[/QUOTE]Naga girls are dirt poor rice farmers daughters just like the women in the hostess bars. They simply know how to hustle. Proof is that many of the current crop used to or still do freelance at places like sharkys, pontoon and martini before or after working Naga.

They ask 100 in Naga because it's full of Asian guys who spend it. The same women short time for 30 when freelancing at other places and fuck their unemployed uneducated local boyfriends for free. Nothing upscale about them at all.

Upscale women in Cambodia remain virgins until they are married and never go anywhere near prostitutes. They don't even share the same hair dressers. They drive Lexus not moto dops. Etc etc etc.

[QUOTE=BronzeMan;1803958]Naga girls are dirt poor rice farmers daughters just like the women in the hostess bars. They simply know how to hustle. Proof is that many of the current crop used to or still do freelance at places like sharkys, pontoon and martini before or after working Naga.

They ask 100 in Naga because it's full of Asian guys who spend it. The same women short time for 30 when freelancing at other places and fuck their unemployed uneducated local boyfriends for free. Nothing upscale about them at all.

Upscale women in Cambodia remain virgins until they are married and never go anywhere near prostitutes. They don't even share the same hair dressers. They drive Lexus not moto dops. Etc etc etc.[/QUOTE]By upscale I meant good looking with nice bodies. Of course at Naga they demand higher price. As everybody know casino patrons pay more. These days virgins are hard to find irrespective of what social circle they come from. Like one AC girl told she is virgin for the day meaning nobody fucked her that day-LOL.

One of the few reasons Cyrcee was interesting amongst the happiness was that it had its ducks in a row and good control over its staff. Sadly this has ended at Cyrcee with the foreign customer, living locally or tourist, susceptible to price gauging from the girls. Having asked questions this is not a training issue but rather an issue that the staff member believes the foreigner can pay more. Price gauging at Cyrcee is a sad thing, Be careful when in the rooms with multiple girls.

I don't see how price gouging is even possible at cyrcee. There's no discussion of price. After the deed a guy gives the gal or gals 25-30 each and that's that. Has worked fine for years.

In the informal markets of Asia asking "how much" is basically an invitation to be overcharged. But in Cambodia even that naive question is usually answered with "up to you" allowing a second chance to pay the going rate.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1803972]By upscale I meant good looking with nice bodies. Of course at Naga they demand higher price. As everybody know casino patrons pay more. These days virgins are hard to find irrespective of what social circle they come from. Like one AC girl told she is virgin for the day meaning nobody fucked her that day-LOL.[/QUOTE]Cambodia isn't the Philippines or Thailand. Any woman from a respectable family (rich or otherwise) is basically sequestered until marriage. They don't go anywhere alone, they usually don't go out at night, etc. Teenage pregnancy is rare. There are millions of virgins over 20 years old which is now a rarity in most of Asia. It's still one of the most conservative countries outside of the Arab world when it comes to sex.

[QUOTE=BronzeMan;1804237]Cambodia isn't the Philippines or Thailand. Any woman from a respectable family (rich or otherwise) is basically sequestered until marriage. They don't go anywhere alone, they usually don't go out at night, etc. Teenage pregnancy is rare. There are millions of virgins over 20 years old which is now a rarity in most of Asia. It's still one of the most conservative countries outside of the Arab world when it comes to sex.[/QUOTE]Actually the virginity issue only applies to the families with money, what some people call the "middle class. " The vast majority are not middle class and many fuck like bunnies whenever no one is looking and teenage pregnancy is common.

This is also the way it is with Laos and long time ago in Thailand. Indonesia has a version of this viewpoint too.

[QUOTE=LoveTool;1784759]It has nothing to do with Cambodia. It's just a few foreigner bars in PP. Face it, dude. It's stupid. Nobody goes to those bars looking to find wives. That's mental.[/QUOTE]First, I'm not your dude. Please be more polite when you give response to others post. Accept that people are different and that this is not mental.

[QUOTE=LoveTool;1803783]Well there's pages and pages of guys here reporting frustration with those bars. One guy after another reports buying lots of drinks only to eventually find out the girl won't go out. Sorry, really hard to believe bar owners are not aware of this particular customer service problem. If they want to clear things up they could just stop letting girls go out for ST or FT. Then we would see how many guys are happy to spend extra dollars to just sit with a nice young lady and talk.[/QUOTE]The bars in Phnom Penh's is not like they are in Thailand. Whether you like it or not, that is the way it is.

I have taken many girls home from various bars in Phnom Penh. Only very rarely has a girl said no. Try to look at your own person. If you are gross, you do not have many chances.

I go most to bars driven by farangs. This because there it is the toilets cleanest and the girls sweetest. My experience is that the owners are very attentive to the girls' behavior.

Some girls never or rarely go with custommers. If you are new in a bar and want to be sure not to give drinks to a girl who never goes with custommers, ask the girl upfront or talk to the cashier first. If you're in a bar with a farang owner, talk to him.

[QUOTE=Simian;1804453]Actually the virginity issue only applies to the families with money, what some people call the "middle class. " The vast majority are not middle class and many fuck like bunnies whenever no one is looking and teenage pregnancy is common.

This is also the way it is with Laos and long time ago in Thailand. Indonesia has a version of this viewpoint too.[/QUOTE]No. It applies to everyone. The peasant majority deals with this more than anyone else in fact. They live in small villages where everyone knows everything quickly. Losing virginity before marriage is a huge disgrace to the family and eliminates the ability of the family to extract a decent bride price at wedding time. For people who make 1000-3000 dollars a year this is a major issue.

Again, Cambodia is not Thailand or the Philippines or Laos or anywhere else, even if they look similar to outsiders.

There is more anonymity in the big cities, or in the case of Cambodia the one big city of Phnom Penh. With that comes a little more freedom, but not much. As anyone who has lived there for any amount of time can tell you, you run into the same people over and over. That's even more common for Cambodians with extended families, friends, school mates, etc. Rumors spread fast, judgement is very harsh, and family pressure can be too much to bear.

There is a reason most prostitution was done by Vietnamese women in the years during and immediately following UNTAC. Even coming out of brutal war and famine most Khmer people wouldn't consider sex work in those early days.

[QUOTE=BronzeMan;1804237]Cambodia isn't the Philippines or Thailand. Any woman from a respectable family (rich or otherwise) is basically sequestered until marriage. They don't go anywhere alone, they usually don't go out at night, etc. Teenage pregnancy is rare. There are millions of virgins over 20 years old which is now a rarity in most of Asia. It's still one of the most conservative countries outside of the Arab world when it comes to sex.[/QUOTE]All over the world including Phi and Thailand virginity is taken seriously before marriage. Many parents are very strict. At the same time it is impossible to watch girls constantly and restrict their movements. Girls lie all the time saying they are going to stay with their girlfriends. It happened to me many times. They get constant calls from their parents while I am fucking her. She will tell them she is fine etc. It takes very little to loose virginity. Even in very strict middle eastern families when the girls are outside of their family control they run wild. Same all over the world.

I had a virgin in Thailand who was 25 years old. She said she came from a strict family. At the same time she was trying to get a nice man to marry her. Got tired of waiting. For many girls one time sex means they are still technical virgins.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1804790]All over the world including Phi and Thailand virginity is taken seriously before marriage. Many parents are very strict. At the same time it is impossible to watch girls constantly and restrict their movements. Girls lie all the time saying they are going to stay with their girlfriends. It happened to me many times. They get constant calls from their parents while I am fucking her. She will tell them she is fine etc. It takes very little to loose virginity. Even in very strict middle eastern families when the girls are outside of their family control they run wild. Same all over the world.

I had a virgin in Thailand who was 25 years old. She said she came from a strict family. At the same time she was trying to get a nice man to marry her. Got tired of waiting. For many girls one time sex means they are still technical virgins.[/QUOTE]All over the world? Who expects to marry a virgin in USA or France? No one. Most guys I know wouldn't consider it. It's rare in the Philippines even though the church promotes it. Thailand talks about it but it's pretty common for Thai women to lose their virginity before marriage as all the unwed teen mothers show.

Cambodia is different. The majority of women marry as virgins and teen pregnancy without marriage is very rare. Any single mother came out of a divorce rather than a runaway boyfriend as you see in Thailand, Philippines, etc.

Don't take my word for it. Check the stats. I won't post a bunch of studies here but they confirm what my experience suggests.

Laos and Isaan are full of unmarried mothers who got knocked up in their teens. Same with the Philippines. Cambodia is quantively different.

The percentage of women under 19 in Cambodia who have had children is 8%. This is country where sex education is almost non existent and rural marriages involving 15-16 year old girls are common.

On the other hand Thailand and Laos have the highest percentage of unmarried teen pregnancies in ASEAN, followed by the Philippines.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1804544]

The bars in Phnom Penh's is not like they are in Thailand. Whether you like it or not, that is the way it is.

I have taken many girls home from various bars in Phnom Penh. Only very rarely has a girl said no. Try to look at your own person. If you are gross, you do not have many chances.

I go most to bars driven by farangs. This because there it is the toilets cleanest and the girls sweetest. My experience is that the owners are very attentive to the girls' behavior.

Some girls never or rarely go with custommers. If you are new in a bar and want to be sure not to give drinks to a girl who never goes with custommers, ask the girl upfront or talk to the cashier first. If you're in a bar with a farang owner, talk to him.[/QUOTE]I agree with most of what you say and it's good advice. Especially about asking the owner, if he is a westerner. Though most of the bars are Cambodian owned and managed. Foreign owned and managed bars include Cheers, Soft Spot, Top Ten and Matilda's on street 104, Honeypot, Loco, Angry Birds, Lotus Girls and Simply the Best on street 130, Valhalla on 102, Narys and Pretty Woman on 110.

But I think that if you ask a bargirl straight away "do you go out with customers?" without even buying her one drink, she is much more likely to say no than if you at least buy her one drink (it's only $3. 50), chat to her, let her feel more relaxed about you, and then ask her.

And ask "do you sometimes go out?" rather than "do you go out?" Because the girl wants to keep the option of saying yes or no to you while she gets to know you a bit better. If you just ask her straight out, her default answer is likely to be NO, whereas if you've taken ten minutes to talk to her a bit, she is much more likely to say yes.

The key thing to remember about hostesses here is that they are SELECTIVE about when and who they will go out with. It is not a meat market environment like the Philippines or Thailand. So increase your chance of her saying yes by being a little bit patient.

If you can't be patient, there are places in Phnom Penh that are 'grab and go'. Cyrcee Bar in St 49, Golden Sorya Mall in St 51, the two or three fishbowl massage places around town, Darling Darling lounge in Nagaworld (but $100! Walkabout Hotel in 51 and a few other places.

Hey guys!

It has been 3 years that I haven't been to PP and I am coming for a week in December!

I used to love Martini as it was quite chilled and I liked the Viet freelancers there, some real lookers for a normal price, meaning not Darling Darling prices which I find outrageous when you compare to what you would find in Pattaya for the same price. Where do all these girls go nowadays? Pontoon? HoD?

Also, I was just wondering how much bottle service costs in Pontoon nowadays, IE bottle of Smirnoff or Finland? Also can you keep your bottle for the next day if unfinished? Also is there a VIP area?

Last time I was in PP I used to stick with hostess bars and Martini or quick drink at Pontoon but I'd like to give discos a better shot this time.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Iain107;1807130]Hey guys!

It has been 3 years that I haven't been to PP and I am coming for a week in December!

I used to love Martini as it was quite chilled and I liked the Viet freelancers there, some real lookers for a normal price, meaning not Darling Darling prices which I find outrageous when you compare to what you would find in Pattaya for the same price. Where do all these girls go nowadays? Pontoon? HoD?

Also, I was just wondering how much bottle service costs in Pontoon nowadays, IE bottle of Smirnoff or Finland? Also can you keep your bottle for the next day if unfinished? Also is there a VIP area?

Last time I was in PP I used to stick with hostess bars and Martini or quick drink at Pontoon but I'd like to give discos a better shot this time.

Cheers![/QUOTE]Martine is closed down. Really sucked at the end.

Girls mostly go to Pontoon and G-Pub afterward. However there is a new set-up in Pontoon competing with G-Pub for afterhours.

Bottle service starts at around 65 USD.

Keeping the bottle no prob.

No VIP area.

Have fun. As I had all the times.

I landed in PP in late afternoon and it was straight into a tuk-tuk (since the pickup I'd arranged with the hotel didn't appear) and on to my lodgings at The Walkabout. After a shower and shave it was off for a feed and to see what was going on. I stopped in the downstairs bar for a quick roadie and was quickly latched onto by a reasonable looking lady whose name sounded something like Latina. She wasn't unattractive but not quite my type on only one beer; more of a later at night when a bit sauced prospect. I finished my drink, bid her farewell and was on my way for more imbibing.

I won't bore you with the details of my aimless wanderings, but rather head straight to the guts of the story. I decided to head into Honeypot Bar and promptly had a supreme cutie named Abbey vying for my attention. She's 21 and quite pretty with a kicking body. I bought her a drink and sounded her out about whether she goes with customers (she does sometimes) and how much for ST ($40 - $50). After a couple of games of Connect 4 - and a couple more drinks. I told her that I wanted to take her out and she agreed. I paid the barfine and, considering how attractive I found her, was feeling pretty good. That was to change. We got something to eat and had a drink in the Walkabout bar before heading upstairs. Oh, forgot to mention that she insisted her friend accompany us as she is 'scared' of the Walkabout as it's haunted. Huh?? Yep, I know the warning bells should've been ringing with that but my 'little head' was firmly in control by this stage. So her friend waited outside whilst we got down to it. She disrobed and her body was just as hot as I'd anticipated. Firm, decent sized tits, flat stomach, tight arse and not too much pubic hair (although any is too much for my tastes). This is when it all goes to pot. I try to kiss her but she's pretty much unresponsive. OK, I think, a little nipple sucking will warm her up. Nope: nipple sucking is not allowed as she's 'ticklish'. Arrrrgh. So I kiss her neck a bit whilst digitally stimulating her pussy. After a bit I go down for some DATY. I can see her breathing change so I know it's feeling good but she won't make eye contact. So here comes the worst (and most embarrassing) part: I taste and feel that she's gotten moist so I think I'll attempt entry. Only to find that the combination of a long day's traveling, a few beers, and the lack of her responsiveness combine to leave the little fella as limp as the lettuce in a post Christmas salad. FFS! Anyway, long story short, I made do with a hand job and then sprayed all over her sumptuous tits. I paid her and she left. All in all, a rather disappointing night.

I hope it gets better from here!

Hi Guys,

Just some tips after my recent Phnom Penh Visit.

1. Visa on arrival USD 30 takes less than a minute. Don't change local currency. USD is more than sufficient to buy and they return back in USD.

2. Take a local sim card at the airport buy a package for 5 or 10 USD depending on your requirement.

3. Take a hotel either near the riverside as the best action places are nearby.

4. Best places to pick up are the 130,136 and 104 street.

5. Plenty of restaurants on the same street.

6. For life music visit Oscar on 104 street. Live music after 10 pm from Wed to Sun.

7. Before 9 pm its happy hour its 1 usd for a beer and after than it is 1.5 or 1.75 Usd depending on the bars.

8. Best pick up bars are Oasis, Loco, Candy, Bluebird, Oscar, 136 bar. Girls is these bars don't push you for drinks.

9. There are a few very beautiful lady boys in 130 and 136 street bars in case someone fancies.

10. Once you enter the bars girls will come to you. Don't buy drink for her right away unless someone gives you good company and is cooperative.

11. Drinks for girls in the bar is 3.50 USD. Bar fine to pick up is USD 10.

12. In case you pick up from the bars the girls will ask you for 50 USD. I did not pay more than 25 USD at any bar. Use bargaining skills.

13. Hotel at times charge guest fees. My hotel charged me USD 5 every time.

14. Avoid Phatoon and Heart of darkness night club. Starts late and girls there are snobs.

15. Avoid walkabout bar, Only free lance old hags in the bar.

Most of the girls are very friendly and will give you a great time. So Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Tercar66;1809146]Hi Guys,

Just some tips after my recent Phnom Penh Visit.

1. Visa on arrival USD 30 takes less than a minute. Don't change local currency. USD is more than sufficient to buy and they return back in USD.

2. Take a local sim card at the airport buy a package for 5 or 10 USD depending on your requirement.

3. Take a hotel either near the riverside as the best action places are nearby.

4. Best places to pick up are the 130,136 and 104 street.

5. Plenty of restaurants on the same street.

6. For life music visit Oscar on 104 street. Live music after 10 pm from Wed to Sun.

7. Before 9 pm its happy hour its 1 usd for a beer and after than it is 1.5 or 1.75 Usd depending on the bars.

8. Best pick up bars are Oasis, Loco, Candy, Bluebird, Oscar, 136 bar. Girls is these bars don't push you for drinks.

9. There are a few very beautiful lady boys in 130 and 136 street bars in case someone fancies.

10. Once you enter the bars girls will come to you. Don't buy drink for her right away unless someone gives you good company and is cooperative.

11. Drinks for girls in the bar is 3.50 USD. Bar fine to pick up is USD 10.

12. In case you pick up from the bars the girls will ask you for 50 USD. I did not pay more than 25 USD at any bar. Use bargaining skills.

13. Hotel at times charge guest fees. My hotel charged me USD 5 every time.

14. Avoid Phatoon and Heart of darkness night club. Starts late and girls there are snobs.

15. Avoid walkabout bar, Only free lance old hags in the bar.

Most of the girls are very friendly and will give you a great time. So Happy mongering.[/QUOTE]Yes, yes and yes. Only I never tried to pay a guest fee at my hotels.

Night 2.

Nothing of any interest to report. Went out with a friend who lives here teaching English and spent the night getting plastered on vodka tonics in Rose Bar. Did chat with an attractive freelancer called Ahching but she wouldn't come to Walkabout. She has a stunning 18 yo sister who works behind the bar at Rose but the sis doesn't speak English and is a virgin. Not my thing.

Night 3.

Much better than night 1! Started out at Fire Bar for some quiet lagers and proceeded from there to Lotus, Rose, Angry Birds, and Honey Pot. I don't understand people's complaints about the talent here as there are some real hotties scattered through the bars and they know how to make an overweight, middle aged bloke feel as though he could give Brad Pitt a run for his money.

I hit Honey Pot shortly before closing (3 am) and got chatting to Dy (sounds like Dee) who was the third wheel who accomplished Abbey to the night 1 debacle. I was a bit apprehensive about going to the bar as I half expected roars of derisive laughter at my ignominious failure but all was fine. I asked Dy if she wanted to come back with me and she was keen. She told me not to pay the barfine as the bar was about to close and she would just meet me at the front of my guesthouse which is only a few doors down the road. Happily there was plenty of lead in the pencil this time. Unlike Abbey, Dy was right into things. She has a surprisingly good body for someone who's had a kid, with decently firm tits; none of the devastation that ruins so many Filipinas. She was good with properly making out and happy to suck dick. The only negative was her slight impatience. I'd had a massage with happy ending in the late arvo which, combined with having drunk a lot during the night, led to a good, long fucking before finally cumming. She asked a few times if I'd cum yet, which is a little irritating. Still, a minor annoyance in the scheme of things. Eventually the climax came and a good night was complete.

Simple question for the PP veterans: How long to stay?

I'm planning a quickish trip in February, I'll probably have 6 nights max. Is that too long to stay in PP? I'm thinking I might pop over to Saigon for a few nights, as I can always have fun there. It seems PP certainly has more bars, but do they all tend to blend together in the mind after a few nights?

TIA!

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1809969]Simple question for the PP veterans: How long to stay?

I'm planning a quickish trip in February, I'll probably have 6 nights max. Is that too long to stay in PP? I'm thinking I might pop over to Saigon for a few nights, as I can always have fun there. It seems PP certainly has more bars, but do they all tend to blend together in the mind after a few nights?

TIA![/QUOTE]Being a returning customer gives you big advantages like getting the upstairs semi private pool area reserved for you and one or two girls, nobody will come upstairs, bar staff will take care of that. And possibly a certain discount, at least you will be more popular with the BG's. But to be honest, my intel is now 2 years old so it might have changed a bit. I will see in a months time.

[QUOTE=Jsxyz;1809969]Simple question for the PP veterans: How long to stay?

I'm planning a quickish trip in February, I'll probably have 6 nights max. Is that too long to stay in PP? I'm thinking I might pop over to Saigon for a few nights, as I can always have fun there. It seems PP certainly has more bars, but do they all tend to blend together in the mind after a few nights?

TIA![/QUOTE]From my experience (was in PP for 12 weeks and left in Sept 2015), 6 days is more than enough for mongering. PP is a relatively small city and a lot of the attractions are all pretty close by. For quick in and out STs, nothing beats Cycree Bar. There are other small bars here and there, but I found Cycree bar the best and most straightforward (I'm also Black so that factors in as well. A girl at a bar once said 'she doesn't go home with black customers', so yea, there's that).

Pontoon is really not the best for mongering, there are alot of girls there, but some of them can be quite smug. Not to say you won't be able to find what your looking for (again, maybe it's just because I'm black. Mongering in Asia for me has been terrible. Malaysia, China, Cambodia. Thailand was the only decent experience I had). I still say go at least once just to see what the hubbub is about.

I would suggest Siahnoukville. I really enjoyed it, but then again, I'm early 20's so the crowd is quite different. There are clubs on the beach and alot of providers there. Just be careful as there are some ladyboys (idk if that's your thing) and ICEd up providers. Alternatively, you can find a girl from PP and take her down with you to Sihanoukville, always a good option.

So yes, 6 days is plenty to catch the flair of PP. Hope that helps.

Night 4.

Just another night in PP really. Whilst I'm still loving it, it's surprising how quickly what was eye-popping exciting a few days ago has become the normal. I was about to pop into a corner restaurant to get some dinner when a couple of the young scarf sellers my (female) teacher friend has befriended came up to say Hi. They're a nice couple of girls whose English skills are really good. They were interested to know where my friend was and I told them I wasn't sure but she was probably at her lodgings. The bossier. And older. Of the two expressed her displeasure that I'd been left to my own devices and that she thought my friend should be spending all her time with me. It did make me laugh and I reassured her that I was quite OK doing my own thing. I asked if they'd eaten and, since they hadn't, invited them to have dinner with me. They wasted no time accepting the invitation and we sat down at a table and ordered. I'm sure there would have been a few do-gooder sticky beaks who'd have assumed something dodgy was going on, but as far as I'm concerned, if that's the way their minds work, it's their problem, not mine. The older girl (13) told me how she doesn't like that my friend has had a few different boyfriends and that she intends to be a virgin when she marries as she believes a woman should save herself for her husband. It's a sweet idea and I didn't say anything to disabuse her of that stance. We ate our meal and had a laugh when the waiter gave her the bill to be paid. Naturally, I paid the bill and bid them a good night. Unfortunately they would be working until late in the night even though they both had school the next morning. It's nice that I was able to do something small for them and I'm sure I got as much enjoyment in giving as they did in receiving. Of course, one could never do such a thing in PI as the act of eating a meal with kids without their parents being there is highly illegal and I'd be putting myself at serious risk of arrest and the extraction of a huge bribe. What an ill-conceived, backwards law.

Again, I started out with quiet beers at Fire Bar as it's across the road from my guesthouse. This time I decided to wander over to 136 street and into the Candy Bar. There were some cute girls there but also a few too many ladyboys so I paid my bill and popped across the road to Xanadu. I sat with a tall, thin, beautiful lady named Smoy. After buying her a drink, I sounded her out about whether she goes with customers and how much she charges. She does go, but said she charges $60, which is a bit higher than I'm used to paying (my first two were $40). I suppose I could have negotiated but I really couldn't be bothered so finished my drink, paid the bill and moved on. She's a very pretty lady and I'm sure she'd have no problems finding someone else happy to pay over the odds. From here it was a walk to 104 and drinks at a couple of bars there. Eventually I wound up back at 130 at around 2 am and stopped at Lotus Bar. There's one reasonably cute girl that works there but she doesn't speak more than a couple of English so she wasn't an option. I ended up going with a girl named Amom, who is not particularly pretty but has a decent body. I asked her how much and got the usual 'Up to you' reply, so, $30 it is. We headed back to the guesthouse and had a good time. She was very happy to suck so I suggested we try a 69. She wasn't sure what to do but once I'd explained it she was an eager participant. From there she moved around to cowgirl and then we finished in mish. She asked if it was OK for her to leave and it was fine by me. Having the bed to myself was an attractive prospect.

So, after a good night I awoke this morning feeling like shit. I must have eaten something dodgy as all day I've felt like I was going to puke and also had the squirts (sorry. TMI I know). I may go out for one or two quiet drinks tonight but it's going to be an early one.

[QUOTE=UpCountry;1811748]Nice pics of Asian ****.[/QUOTE]Can you tell me: why you have to quote the howl Page for writing 1 Phrase?

[QUOTE=Beno69;1811933]Can you tell me: why you have to quote the howl Page for writing 1 Phrase?[/QUOTE]Because UpCountry is a real asshole. He never write a proper report. He only write the stupid "nice pic bla bla". Put him on your "ignore list". He is a waste of time. Jackson should delete him as a member of ISG.

[QUOTE=AussieFella;1810307]Night 4.

I suppose I could have negotiated but I really couldn't be bothered.[/QUOTE]Ha, ha, sounds like me in recent years. If I want to negotiate, I can fuck "freebies. " I fuck prostitutes because I don't want the hassle.

Nice reports Aussie Fella!

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I have been to Pontoon dozens, maybe hundreds of times, dating back to the days when it was on a boat and the name therefore made sense. These days it is hands down the number one freelancer bar in Phnom Penh as far as quantity of girls is concerned. The attitudes can range form great to completely stuck on themselves. I've only been to Darling, Darling a few times. The women there are on average, better looking--at least to my eye. Some of them do work other bars also, including Pontoon, but not nearly as many as did a few years ago. As Naga caters primarily to Asian customers, the girls there also tend to be the type that Asian men mostly prefer--light skinned and taller than average. For that reason, I have also encountered a much higher percentage of Chinese Cambodian girls there than at any other bar. Girls' attitudes there also vary greatly. As noted, the asking price at Darling, Darling seems to be $100 when at Pontoon it can be as little as $20 in the low season. In either bar, dressing at least moderately well can make a very big difference in how well you get on.

Do the lovely hostesses at I Say Bar avail themselves for takeout? So far I am impressed with the lineup. Maybe it's because they seem to be well dressed.

Hi,

Anyone in PP between 4-7 Jan 2016?

Hello all,

This is my first report ever. I have done a lot of mongering across SE Asia and feel that it is time to share some of my experiences. Also, I am looking for feedback. I welcome any tips from my fellow mongers.

Well, I find myself back in Phnom Penh where I spent a lot time working last year. Staying in Flamingo Hotel, which is just as I remember it. Very nice reception. The girls downstairs are super friendly (and so sexy, wish they were available but they are not) and helpful and so I do not understand some of the negative comments I have read recently about Flamingo. The Internet in my room is working just fine. I always have concerns about my valuables but take precautions.

Anyway I started out by having a snack at the Golden Sorya mall. Still a lot of hags and skinny looking crazies. The one waitress I befriended last year (Lily) seems to be gone. Black frizzy hairdo. We had some memorable times in my hotel room and I was hoping to reconnect. Anyone have an update? Late at night (they are open until the wee hours, I might add) there are some nice girls hanging around but I did not feel tempted.

Headed to Cyrcee where I fond a gorgeous girl with the most beautiful tits. She let me sample them at the bar since there were no other customers; there rarely are. I invited her back to my room after closing time but she never showed. Perhaps they frown on this practice but it never used to be a problem before. The French owner was away on holiday so I did not have a chance to talk to him. I will head back tonight for sure and this time take my lovely to the short time hotel across the street. She wants $30, which is standard.

Now this afternoon I was looking for that massage parlor off Sisowath Quay and think I found my way back. They now do outcall as well. SK Massage on no 22 E on 118 street. $10 for an oil massage in my hotel. And extras are probably available. Last year I went there a lot and this one very sweet thing let me play with her. I took full advantage and even have sex with her upstairs in one of those horrible common rooms with curtained off areas for privacy. Boy did she ever have the most delectable tits, nice and firm the way I like them and her little pussy tasted just divine. I tongued her and finger fucked her and then penetrated her. The fun usually lasts until another customer shows up and spoils it all. At that point she hurriedly puts her clothes back on and pretends like nothing. I tried at the time to have her join me in my hotel but they did not do outcall. She has a sister as well who looks very hot. I will go back tonight and let you know how it works out.

Cheers and happy mongering.

P.S. Roaming viking is a bit redundant. Aren't all Vikings roaming around? But the "Viking" name was taken so.

Hi all,

I was wrong about the street address of the place I mentioned in my previous post. It is on 144th street and is called Mango Massage, down from the outdoor market just around the corner from Sisowath Quay. The reason I was mistaken is that their business card incorrectly lists the street address. Hard to believe but anyway. The two sisters from Kompong Speu were not there today. Always my bad luck: "not working today, tomorrow. ".

I might still give them a call later on and see if one or both of the sisters magically reappear.

Last night I went back to Cyrcee and found my lovely from last night, Ada. I took her back to my hotel for some fun and games. It turned out to be OK but nothing to write home about either. She has a beautiful young body with super firm B-sized tits and a nice little Bush and a tight little hole. She shaves just a little bit but enough to leave just a bit too much stub in a few places for my liking. Still, she has a beautifully sculpted little pussy with full pale brown lips that part nicely when my tongue went to work. At any rate I dived right in tongue first and treated her like a princess, licking licked her for a good fifteen minutes but without eliciting any extravagant squirms of pleasure on her part, which was a bit disappointing. I like to think of myself as very good in this department and so I felt a bit hurt actually. Next she gave me a nice uncovered yum yum but did not want CIM. We then had sex in missionary position and I enjoyed the feeling of my by now fully erect member penetrating her tight little teenage pussy. I finished with her jerking and sucking me until I finally shot my load all over her pert tits. She assures me she goes to the doctor every month, for what it is worth, but she sure looks innocent without a lot of mileage. She started at Cyrcee just a month ago and prior to that worked in a hair salon. The French owner was back and we chatted for a bit. Business is slow so I am sure he appreciates the $10 barfine. At least I could take Ada to my hotel and not have to go to this dingy short time hotel across the street. I enjoyed this encounter, the satisfaction of bedding my lady after a long wait. The sex was not GF, too hurried and professional. I really like the GFE with lots of deep kissing and more spontaneous sex. I am an old viking, seventieths and so need a little extra stimulation. My kamagra came through for me, though, and I was able to complete the mission as planned. No GFE here but I still was overall satisfied for $30. Tomorrow I return to Bangkok and Snow White where my ladies take good care of me and make me feel special.

I will keep you posted.

Cheers.

Hi.

I am looking to stay in Phnom Penh for 2 months (July & August).

When I traveled in the past, I would get a 30 day exemption on arrival at the Airport.

I normally stay at the Flamingo Hotel on street 51.

Is it possible to stay 60 days without paying an overstay fee at the airport?

If yes, please supply contact info.

Thanks.

Tom.

Anyway, you are in luck, you can stay 62 days. They go by months not by days: July plus Aug totals 62 days.

Do your regular tourist visa at the airport.

During July get a visa extension. They add one month to your visa.

No overstay fee, but visa extension costs more than the visa at the airport. Do not complain, that is just the way it is.

Visit A to Z Travel at Street 130 and Street 19. They do this for me many times. 3 to 5 days and it is done. Enjoy the rainy season: It is much cooler.

[QUOTE=Tcvve;1822318]I am looking to stay in Phnom Penh for 2 months (July & August).
When I traveled in the past, I would get a 30 day exemption on arrival at the Airport.
Is it possible to stay 60 days without paying an overstay fee at the airport?
If yes, please supply contact info.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NspectHerGadgt;1822351]Anyway, you are in luck, you can stay 62 days. They go by months not by days: July plus Aug totals 62 days.

Do your regular tourist visa at the airport.

During July get a visa extension. They add one month to your visa.

No overstay fee, but visa extension costs more than the visa at the airport. Do not complain, that is just the way it is.

Visit A to Z Travel at Street 130 and Street 19. They do this for me many times. 3 to 5 days and it is done. Enjoy the rainy season: It is much cooler.[/QUOTE]At NspectHerGadgt.

I assume the only documents A to Z Travel requires (from me) is Passport + $$.

Thanks for your help.

Tom.

Hi all,

I plan to go to PP end of January for about 3 or 4 days. (In Thailand now) It's my first time there, so I have some questions.

Is Visa on arrival still working? How much is it?

I read that US $ is the common currency. Can I change Baht or Euro at the airport or in town? Does ATM gives US $?

Can anyone recommend a hotel in walking distance to the action. Girlfriendly. 40 US $ should be the limit.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=IloveTits;1822647]Hi all,

I plan to go to PP end of January for about 3 or 4 days. (In Thailand now) It's my first time there, so I have some questions.

Is Visa on arrival still working? How much is it?

I read that US $ is the common currency. Can I change Baht or Euro at the airport or in town? Does ATM gives US $?

Can anyone recommend a hotel in walking distance to the action. Girlfriendly. 40 US $ should be the limit.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Visa on arrival is still working. 30 dollar + 3 dollar if you don't bring picture.

You get dollar from the ATM. Riel is only for small money.

I can recomand Sarys Guesthouse. [URL]http://www.sarysguesthouse.com/[/URL] Take the deluxe room. 30 dollar / night. Has a balcony. Many time girls enjoy sit for a small talk at the balcony and look down on street life. Street 130 is in the action. Loco Bar only 10 m away. Many very good bars in walking distance.

Thanks a lot, looks good. Guess I will go there.

2 more questions:

Where do you get the visa? At passport control or is there a special counter?

Because I don't have any US $ with me, is there a bank or money changer before you get the visa?

Thanks a lot again.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1822696]Visa on arrival is still working. 30 dollar + 3 dollar if you don't bring picture.

You get dollar from the ATM. Riel is only for small money.

I can recomand Sarys Guesthouse. [URL]http://www.sarysguesthouse.com/[/URL] Take the deluxe room. 30 dollar / night. Has a balcony. Many time girls enjoy sit for a small talk at the balcony and look down on street life. Street 130 is in the action. Loco Bar only 10 m away. Many very good bars in walking distance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IloveTits;1822916]Where do you get the visa? At passport control or is there a special counter?[/QUOTE]You can get your Visa online from the Cambodian website and take a copy of the visa with you and go straight to the special booths for Visa on Arrival to get your passport stamped. I's a breeze.
You can also use this publication for hotels. http://www.canbypublications.com/phnompenh/ppnight.htm

My girlfriend and I have been traveling for the last 10 years to countries like the Philippines, Thailand, Colombia, Panama, China, etc and always enjoy threesome action. She's very attractive and women are always drawn toward her.

We are thinking about visiting Phnom Penh before we travel to Pattaya and Tokyo in the next month for some fun. From reading the forums about Phnom Penh, it looks like the bar girl clubs, that make it easy for us to select a girl to take back to our hotel, do not exist in Phnom Penh.

Besides possibly using online escort services, does anyone have any suggestions? ?

Thanks much for any replies.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1823305]You can get your Visa online from the Cambodian website and take a copy of the visa with you and go straight to the special booths for Visa on Arrival to get your passport stamped. I's a breeze.
You can also use this publication for hotels. http://www.canbypublications.com/phnompenh/ppnight.htm[/QUOTE]Link for e-visa: [URL]https://www.evisa.gov.kh/[/URL] price: 30 dollar + 7 dollar processing charge.

You can also get Visa on arrival. 30 dollar + 3 dollar if you don't bring picture. You get it from a special counter in the arrival area. You can not make mistake.

[QUOTE=JimmyDi;1823398]My girlfriend and I have been traveling for the last 10 years to countries like the Philippines, Thailand, Colombia, Panama, China, etc and always enjoy threesome action. She's very attractive and women are always drawn toward her.

We are thinking about visiting Phnom Penh before we travel to Pattaya and Tokyo in the next month for some fun. From reading the forums about Phnom Penh, it looks like the bar girl clubs, that make it easy for us to select a girl to take back to our hotel, do not exist in Phnom Penh.

Besides possibly using online escort services, does anyone have any suggestions? ?

Thanks much for any replies.[/QUOTE]There are many girlie bars in Phnom Penh. I think you can find girl there. Maybe take a little time to find the right girl, but that is a part of the game.

Just had another lovely weekend in Phnom Penh. Because I booked late I ended up at Zing hotel next to the central market. I can confirm that this is a girl friendly hotel. They just take the ID of the girl and you will get a call from reception when the girl leaves to check if everything is ok. (which I always think is a nice touch).

I just ended up doing the bars between 104 and 136 and must have been to about 15 of them. Most of them are quite nice. I like the scene in PP. So much more relaxed than Saigon.

One particularly crappy bar was Bar 136 on St 136. I was literally hounded for drinks. They must have asked 7 or 8 times within the first 5 minutes. The girls just stare at you and the only English they speak is "Buy me drink". Needless to say I was gone within half a beer.

On the other end of the spectrum is Honey Pot Bar on St 130. This place has the most comfortable bar stools, the girls are overall good looking with a few gems. They do not hassle you for drinks which is great, so it actually feels like the drinks that you offer are appreciated, not expected. And it seems that at least several of the girls do go out with customers. I managed to take out on two different nights which was great. Bar fine is a bit higher than other bars with $15 on Fri Sat, and $10 the rest of the week. I recommend this place, and will certainly be back soon.

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;1821817]Hello all,

Well, I find myself back in Phnom Penh where I spent a lot time working last year. Staying in Flamingo Hotel, which is just as I remember it. Very nice reception. The girls downstairs are super friendly (and so sexy, wish they were available but they are not) and helpful and so I do not understand some of the negative comments I have read recently about Flamingo. The Internet in my room is working just fine. I always have concerns about my valuables but take precautions.

[/QUOTE]Hi.

You mention why some people have negative comments regarding the Flaming Hotel.

I have stayed there, usually satisfied, but not my last trip.

Stayed for one month in 2015.

Problems:

Many of the staff have been let go recently. Not really our concern, but service was really down from previous years.

All room phones were disconnected. No reason given but that they will be fixed in 2016. Had women running up to my room all hours of the day w / o being Pre-Notified by staff. Ended up buying a sim / Phone card ($10.00) in the lobby. Having the staff notify me this way.

Rained one day and the roof leaks in my room. Was staying on the 4th floor. Fixed the next day.

Upon arrival, the wall fan wasn't working. The window curtains are looking very old and worn. Don't they pre-screen the rooms before guests arrive?

Free pickup at the airport is no longer their standard FH Van, but a TukTuk. With my 2 luggage bags and minimal seating space, this was not comfortable ride to the Flamingo hotel.

Dining room area has been dismantled. Did you notice boarded up space adjacent to the pool table.

I agree, they have decent internet in the room. I only bring my mobile to Phom Penh. I use their 2 workstations in the lobby. For the month I stayed, one workstation never worked and was not serviced, the other, access was slow 70% of the day. At night (after 8:00 pm) it was decent.

When I checked out, I had to pay extra for 2 bottles water I did not purchase. This was partially my fault, I should have check the stock in the Frig when I arrived. But, it is Housekeeping responsibility to stock the Frig before guest arrive.

One day, a Tourist with bags packed, stormed out the Flamingo with his Cambo girlfriend and her daughter screaming the staff had stolen his electric razor. An expat living there mentioned (to me), he is a heavy drinker and must have misplaced the razor. I really don't know what really happen.

It's not a myth, there are certainly issues at the Flamingo. To pay $25.00-$27.00 per day for a room (discount if monthly) you should expect better service.

[QUOTE=NevilleNobody;1820225]Do the lovely hostesses at I Say Bar avail themselves for takeout? So far I am impressed with the lineup. Maybe it's because they seem to be well dressed.[/QUOTE]Very sorry to be so late in replying. Yes, the girls are available to go with customers. However, unlike in some bars, it is completely the girl's decision whether she wants to go with any particular customer, so it is always best to ask early in the conversation if that is what you have planned. As you have noted, we do encourage the girls to look their best. We're glad you appreciate their efforts.

Came back to Cambodia after 8 yrs and was very disappointed to see that the Martini bar has closed and have reopened a small one just down from the walk about. No girls and not worth going. Phnom Penh bar seen has gone down hill in that time as too many bars have opened and now everyone is spread out and most places don't have enough people in there to have that good vibe. Miss the old days.

Just back from a quick trip to PP. Will write up a more comprehensive report later but here's the exec summary.

Overall Experience: Disappointing.

Plenty of girls available, but very few of what I would call quality girls (my preference is slim and 18-21). Even just watching the everyday girls going past on the street is very average. Nothing like the high percentage of super honeys you see in Vietnam or even Thailand working normal jobs. Of course there are a few exceptions, but those exceptions are very few and far between. Visited at least 10 different bars, massage, Naga disco, tuk tuk provided, street scene, but each time keep wondering, is this all there is?

There are hundreds of Euro backpackers around at the various tourist sites, some them quite tasty. Well at least those not wearing the stupid elephant pants. It seems all the girls with fat asses like to wear those ridiculous pants.

I did have a couple of experiences. Viet takeout from bar and HJ at spa which I will detail separately.

[QUOTE=AsianLoverOz;1830023]Overall Experience: Disappointing.

Plenty of girls available, but very few of what I would call quality girls (my preference is slim and 18-21).[/QUOTE]Overall, I'm afraid I have to agree with you. In the old days (2004), a girl who is 25 was considered old. Now these days, the youngest you see is about 25.

Quality at Darlings at Naga Casino is decent, but pricey at $100. Decent, but quality at a good go-go bar in Bangkok is better.

Ventured into a few of the bars from 130 street and surrounds on my first night. Quite shocked at the ages of some of the bar girls -easily approaching 40 and lots of mileage. Was having a drink at the Oscars? Normal bar when I finally saw my kind of girl get off a moto taxi and into the 136 Bar across the street. Slim, long black hair and young. So I made my way over and sat a few seats behind her. The other girls there were gently hassling for drinks but they were quite shockers and I had no interest, so I just asked them where would I find a Viet girl. Bingo!! They point to the girl I had been watching. Up close even more lovely and quite shy at first, her white skin a remarkable contrast to the local Cambodians. She warmed up a bit after I tried my few Viet words on her and told her about my recent travels to Saigon. Turns out she is 25 and already popped a kid, but man you would never know from her body. Normally I wouldn't knowingly take a mummy but since it was my first night and the pickings were slim I took her back to the hotel for short time.

$10 Bar fine and $40 Short time (she wanted $100 I think at the beginning). Short time turned out to be a nice 2-3 hours just chilling in my room and boom boom. Absolutely amazing teen like body and the only sign of childbirth was that she isn't super tight. Would not do BJ even I offered her $1000,so that was disappointing. But since she didn't rush and was very GFE I was overall happy with her. Also she won't do overnights apparently.

Ohana hotel GF friendly. Just leave the ID and they call you when she's leaving.

2nd day in PP was a day to explore the various options outside the bar scene from the previous night. I had a good tuk tuk driver during the morning to visit the S21 horror and then casually after we stopped for lunch I asked if he knew any good massage place without going into specifics. Now my tuk tuk driver is a grandpa with many grandchildren so he's probably not the best guy to be up on the current massage scene, but anyway off we go to the "paradise" massage. From the outside it looks seedy and I thought you devil old grandpa does know what I mean. Into reception and I just blatantly ask if there is any special massage, to which reception shakes her head. I look at the couple of girls there on the couch and decide it's not really worth pursing anyway. So off we go again with grandpa and he stops and makes a phone call to try and get the lowdown on where to go. Eventually we head back along the riverfront towards the Casino and beyond to a massive establishment "Soul Golden City" which is also mentioned in one of the reports of distinction. 4 floors for KTV and the 5th floor is the massage area with fishtank for selection.

At 2 pm in the afternoon there were about 20 average girls in the tank and 2 that I was deciding between. I ended up choosing the one jumping up and down and smiling and keen to be selected. $10 for the massage and everything else is negotiable. The girl I chose was Cambodian, early 20's, ok looking, not fat. Into the nice hotel like room with shower and large bed. As soon as the door closed the hassling started on the price for boom boom. I think she started at $150 if I remember correct and so I started at $20 which was met with an equally disgusted reaction to mine. From there thing deteriorated with me threatening just to leave if she didn't accept below $80. So once I started packing up she agreed on $50. Into the shower and when I come out my tuk tuk driver is now in the room and ready to "help" with negotiations. So I just told him I'm only doing massage so there is no expectation that he need to take a commission. After he leave she tries to say something about $20 which seems to be that she needs to pay him. I didn't budge on the price so then we start with the action. Onto the bed and she starts to give a furiously fast HJ and then goes to get a condom for BJ. I said no boom boom only BJ and no condom, so she keeps going with the dry HJ and keeps just asking for more money non stop. I loose the plot then just get up and get dressed hoping to swap to another girl as I really can't stand this attitude. Such a change from the friendly one in the fishtank. She demands the $40 and I give her $10. She starts making threatening gestures and I have no idea what sort of guys are running this place but I will not budge from $10 as I was only there on bed for 5 minutes. Her voice gets loud and I'm sure people outside can hear. I open my wallet and pull out a few hundred and asks if she happy with that, all the time my anger levels rising. In the end I give her another $5 and she storms out and off to the fishtank no doubt to warm the other girls about the "bad guy".

I had a quick look back at the tank and decided she had already poisoned them so decided to move on.

Later that evening headed to Darling Darling at Naga around 11 pm. Fuck the place was packed, smoky and had way too many guys for my liking. Lots of rich looking Asian dudes with tables and bottles and girls. Stayed for one drink only as it was a bit hard to establish if some of the better looking girls were with the guys or not. There were some clear freelance ladies there at the bar, but with the noise levels, lack of space and not the ideal place to negotiate a good deal so moved on the other nightclub in town called Pontoon. As I was about to enter a tuk tuk driver grabbed me and "warned" me it was too early and no girls were inside. He said he can take me to a place. My 24 hours in PP led me to think it wasn't really such a dangerous place and that it was relatively safe to go with the tuk tuk driver. So go away to a few streets away and park in the dark shadows, ok, now this may not have been a good idea after all. Suddenly some moto comes up from behind but luckily he was just a delivery driver for the girls. Anyway we went through a series of potential girls on different delivery bikes but none piqued my interest as I told him I only want 18-21 and slim. Off we go again, this time to the other end of the riverside towards the bridge and I remember a large clock made of flowers, we slow down and wow there are some street girls along here. The first one was extremely enticing and I agreed on $60 for overnight, but damn she didn't have ID so I refused to take her. Potential issue for sure. We checked out some more and yes the talent was much better than the bars but I beginning to feel very uncomfortable about the whole scene (drugs / robbery / scam). The guy couldn't understand why I wouldn't take these girls as they were pretty good I have to say. In the end I had to be very forceful and just say sorry No lets get out of here. Ok I show you "massage" place. So off we go again back past Naga. It's after midnight by now and it's quite nice to ride around in the tuk tuk with the cool breeze and no traffic. Eventually we stop near some decent looking massage places but they just seem normal massage to me. Then another moto guy (really serious looking pimp. Kinda scary with scar face) turns up with the decent looking girl. Fuck it, I'll just take her for $40 for an hour. So she hops in and we start to go back to the hotel and I ask if she does does "yum yum" (BJ). She shakes her head and I can see she is very reluctant / non respnsive during the whole trip back.

By this time it's after 1 am and my patience / stamina is wearing thin, so when we get to the hotel I just tell the driver that she doesn't do BJ so I'm not interested. Then out of the blue, the damn scary pimp on the bike rides up next to us demanding payment. They speak a bit in Cambodian but by that time I had my $10 ready to give the driver to ensure there was no arguing over how much his fare would be. I quickly paid him the $10 and made a hasty retreat to the safety of the hotel. Once inside I peeked to make sure they had left as I thought the pimp may have been ready to cause some trouble.

In the end all good, but a frustrating night.

If you go to golden soya mall there is a open air bar that has the atms at the back, sit there a bit have a beer,this place is open 24 hrs, most of the girls are not that good but there maybe one that takes your fancy? About 10/20 $.

Short time, they can be very pushy so only get a girl to sit with you that you may like, or got to the walkabout, an never get a tuk tuk to take you any where.

Well after the luckless 2nd day, I played it safe for the 3rd day and took my Viet sweety for a 2nd run. This time she came over without eating first and hence was keen to get out of there and get some food. So not as good as the 1st night.

Throughout my stay had tried a few different massage places to see what would eventuate. Previous poster had some success at Mango so I tried that initially. I always go for the oil massage as you are already naked and has the most chance of leading to something else. The mango girl they assigned wasn't attractive so I just went with the flow. I didn't ask, nor was I offered there. On the way out saw some other girls that might have been more my type. Tried another spa on the main riverfront, very nice girl, dark room but when I whispered for some extra she said no. The final one I had "success" is just opposite the Ohana hotel. Nu Spa. Managed to get a handy but $20 from an unattractive MILF, only did it as I was leaving that day and still a little left over from my blue pill the night before was making him more excited than he would be normally with such a lady. Closed my eyes as her technique wasn't so bad.

That's it for my Cambodian adventures - heading back to Saigon where the girls and food is more to my taste.

[QUOTE=Paulr1950;1830642]If you go to golden soya mall there is a open air bar that has the atms at the back, sit there a bit have a beer,this place is open 24 hrs, most of the girls are not that good but there maybe one that takes your fancy? About 10/20 $.

Short time, they can be very pushy so only get a girl to sit with you that you may like, or got to the walkabout, an never get a tuk tuk to take you any where.[/QUOTE]Just to bring it a bit into perspective, I was just there last week and took this Viet twice for a negotiated price of 10, which is low, and tipped her another 2 $ for excellent enthusiastic blowing sucking and fucking. I knew her already from before. I don't think they are very pushy but they can effectively block other girls from approaching you. However I have to chime in that the overall quality and eagerness has diminished quite a bit. Also there is a big difference to me with the Cambodian girls as they are more into going with somebody they already have a rapport with which of course is much better for the local expats or repeated visitors who can establish such relations.

I have been in PP late Dec / early Jan for a week and another week in late Jan and thought I'd share my experiences.

1) There has been a crackdown on the street girls around Wat Phnom. Tried three of them (10 $ each) but listless and not worth the hassle. BEWARE... if you take them, do NOT let some motodop drop you off at a guesthouse in the nowhere. There are three good guesthouses for 5$ in walking distance
(2 minutes by foot from Wat Phnom).

2) Most bars such as formerly great Happy Man bar are now pretty much deserted, not worth it. Some. Like Loco and the well-known Sharky's seem to do okay, although none is my fav watering hole.

3) The bad news is that Martini (off Monivong) has closed for good in November, and that IS a REAL loss.

4) However, The NEW Martini (which is just a bar) is open just in the street across Walkabout (when you have Walkabout to your right, turn left, right side after 50 meters). Same staff, some of the old girls and no barfines. Bit calm but whoever used to go to old Martini goes there, too, so a good place to meet up.

5) Soraya mall is pretty much a dump. Yeah every now and there you can find a cute looker there, but most of the chicks there are so heavy on Ice that it's no fun doing them.

As for price, yeah you'll get them for 10 or 20 $. But even from a good lay you should not expect much enthusiasm. 30 $ ST and 50 $ LT will get you something real with a nice 3-hole and everything you like. Make sure to ask before, not all girls do it and NEVER EVER accept "up to you".

"Up to you means effectively you CAN send the girl off for 25 $ a whole night, but don't be that cheap. Its neither fair nor will you have a good time, since PP is small and girls talk, too. They will only go with a cheapo if they're really desperate.

6) Speaking of desperation: Again beware. Do not get emotionally involved and stay out of the quarrels the girls have among themselves and with Johns.

There is one girl in her late 20's at Soraya, Sreymom. Hair half length dyed blonde, slim, nice figure, mostly in shabby clothes. She'll do what you want but will come back like a bad penny, so it's best to stay away.

Another girl you should avoid is Lina V. (that's her real name) a / k / a Sreyoun Aihisdiz. She's a looker and the best lay I ever had but her brain is totally smoked out.

She is actually pretty good in manipulating people and I heard a few disturbing stories about people whom she cost dearly (20000 $ upwards, besides Ice she is into gambling and spending whereever and whatever. She'll tell you a lot of BS stories about her baby who is in care and the caretaker she can't pay. Even fooled me for some days. Baby does not exist and she will cry in your ear how much she misses and loves you while getting stoned and hooking up with another guy. I got wise just in time, so also avoid. The pics below are all her, and yeah, she can look different if she wants. If you have the hots for her, do her but do not give her money before you are done, do not believe ANYTHING she says and NEVER, EVER send her to get something for you. She will not return. Right now she will try to keep engagements short because she got a tripper, apparently she offers bareback service. Do I need to say that is a big NO-NO especially in PP?

7) HoD is a good place to hook up with parttime girls. They will usually not go for less than 50 and expect to be treated with some respect, but I met four girls there Da, a voluptous, latin-looking cutie of 21 with a PERFECT body, Sreyroth, a slim, cute 18-year old usually dressed up in white, 171 tall and 36 kg, stunning and Noi, a very sweet and friendly countrygirl from Kandal. Perfect figure but hands rough from garment factory, 22 years and very sweet.

8) Pontoon works either, although I prefer HoD.

9) I have to repeat what was said before: Stay away from letting Tuk-Tuk drivers take you anywhere, unless you know the driver well. Mine is driving me for 5 years and has kept me out of trouble a lot of times.

10) If you can't find anything appealing, consider paying a bit more and go to LE Cyrcee. Still prettiest girls in town, 18 to 25. If you ask the girl to come to your hotel after 1 am, you can avoid the bar fine there.

11) Avoid the girls around independence monument, trouble and not worth the cost.

12) I will be back mid April for a week or so as I am eager to do Da again. She keeps emailing and calling me without being demanding, apparently all she wants is that I take her out again when I am there, so that'll be fun.

13) I have a few Cambodian friends, and one way to have a guaranteed good time there is to treat the girls nice if they deserve it. Most do. Inviting them for dinner or brekkie goes a long way as well as some courtesy. Buying a girl some clothes is advisable only if you want her for longer than just one night. If you are married say so when the girl asks, she will appreciate the honesty. A lot of the part-time hookers would like to get married to a BArang but still do not mind some NSA fun.

Stay safe and have fun, email me if you need some numbers or a reliable driver. I would vouch for my driver any time.

If anyone plans to have fun in PP around mid April, let me know.

Cheers, Kenny.

It's my first time in PP since Feb. Last year. I have been here four nights, coming from 18 nights in Angeles City (Philippines), but have not sample yet. Truth is I've had a slight cold and haven't really felt like it, but now I'm ready. I've noticed that quality in the Sorya Beer Garden is now a waste of time in the day time. It was always a reliable spot for cheap, day time action, but all I've seen this year are old ladies. From reading some recent reports this seems to be the norm these days.

Tonight the plan is to hop the hostess bars, then walk around Sorya before heading to Pontoon. If I don't find anything at the bars or Sorya.

I would say the bars on street 104 not only have the most talent, but also the best atmosphere.

All that being said I like to cut to the chase when mongering, as in "Hello, how much? Hostess bars really aren't my thing and the FLs I've seen so far are either too old and / or dirty looking so I haven't fucked one broad in my 8 days here. I do like being in PP, but the mongering (at this time around) just hasn't been my cup of tea. Really looking forward to Beach Road in Pattaya.

Will have a night in PP next week before north to SR. I am going to work from the last few posts.

Any advice, leads or updates? Is this a quiet season posts seem to have dropped off.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Noreaster;1843418]Will have a night in PP next week before north to SR. I am going to work from the last few posts.

Any advice, leads or updates? Is this a quiet season posts seem to have dropped off.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You have 17 postings at ISG. In all of them you ask quistions. You have not posted a single report yourself. You must give to get. You do not deserve to get answers to your questions.

[QUOTE=AsianLoverOz;1830405]
Anyway we went through a series of potential girls on different delivery bikes but none piqued my interest as I told him I only want 18-21 and slim. Off we go again, this time to the other end of the riverside towards the bridge and I remember a large clock made of flowers, we slow down and wow there are some street girls along here. The first one was extremely enticing and I agreed on $60 for overnight, but damn she didn't have ID so I refused to take her. Potential issue for sure. We checked out some more and yes the talent was much better than the bars [/QUOTE]Hi.

In a earlier report, Asia Lover Oz mentioned an area by the Bridge (see above post) where Freelancers are available. Does anyone know the name of area and how would I give the Tuk Tuk driver directions?

Also, what is the best time to go?

Thanks.

TC.

[QUOTE=Tcvve;1845321]Hi.

In a earlier report, Asia Lover Oz mentioned an area by the Bridge (see above post) where Freelancers are available. Does anyone know the name of area and how would I give the Tuk Tuk driver directions?

Also, what is the best time to go?

Thanks.

TC.[/QUOTE]Just tell the moto or tuk tuk, lady lady Japan bridge, they all know where to go. When I was in PP last Sep, the Waat Phnom area was dead due to police crack down, but Japan bridge was also quiet, very few young ones, now hope things are back to normal.

[QUOTE=BigOwl;1829197]Came back to Cambodia after 8 yrs and was very disappointed to see that the Martini bar has closed and have reopened a small one just down from the walk about. No girls and not worth going. Phnom Penh bar seen has gone down hill in that time as too many bars have opened and now everyone is spread out and most places don't have enough people in there to have that good vibe. Miss the old days.[/QUOTE]Hi Big Owl I see you have only 1 post however did you once post under that name a long time ago? Did you once or still have a special friend?

[QUOTE=Shadow6491;1847653]Hi Big Owl I see you have only 1 post however did you once post under that name a long time ago? Did you once or still have a special friend?[/QUOTE]Whatever it is, BigOwl is spot on. Phnom Penh is not what it was up tonabout 6-8 years ago. Where nowadays do you see girlie bars packed with people? On my recent trip in January this year I vaguely remember in Street 104 one bar on one night had a good vibe with mix of men and women. But most bars all up to Street 136 only had the occasional customer in or were completely devastated. It was easy to spot, the more girls sitting outside, the less customers, or more often none, were inside.

A lot of people complain about being the only customer in a Hostess bar. I don't mind this, although to be fair I don't normally go alone. So the bar is what we make of it fun wise. All the girls are available this is a plus. Its the bars that are full and no available girls that when we take a look inside that we will reject. Being an expat takes the "must do tonight" factor out of it. The girls also get to know you and dont try the lady drink scam on you unless you are in the mood for this. They know you and will respect you if your nice and fair.

[QUOTE=KennyRogers;1835052]5) Soraya mall is pretty much a dump. Yeah every now and there you can find a cute looker there, but most of the chicks there are so heavy on Ice that it's no fun doing them.

As for price, yeah you'll get them for 10 or 20 $. But even from a good lay you should not expect much enthusiasm. 30 $ ST and 50 $ LT will get you something real with a nice 3-hole and everything you like. Make sure to ask before, not all girls do it and NEVER EVER accept "up to you".

"Up to you means effectively you CAN send the girl off for 25 $ a whole night, but don't be that cheap. Its neither fair nor will you have a good time, since PP is small and girls talk, too. They will only go with a cheapo if they're really desperate.[/QUOTE]I am here in Phnom Penh for a project, I came for two weeks already, and I am trying to know this city and learn to live here well.

Today I went to Sorya Mall around 6 pm, alone. (Sighed. I have no friends here to go with.).

I had a burger for dinner.

A Vietnam girl came who can speak English, not my type.

She called her friend to come, that 2nd girl is not that black, but she can't speak English.

Instead, she can speak Mandarin, and hopefully I know little.

I bought her a drink, and she ordered a soda.

We chat a little bit, she asked me if I would take her to the hotel, I asked how much, and she said 50ST and 100 LT.

I gave her a smile and said, "enjoy your soda."

She started bullshit me.

Come on, I did homework here before I went.

I looked down and saw a burning mushroom.

Whatever, let her do the job.

Anyway, I am not good at bargain, but I tried.

60 for LT, and she went with me.

"If I have a happy night, I will tip her," I told her that.

I rode a poor moto borrowed from my friend, and took her to my apartment.

I was fooled by her clothes, and she is only A up.

(I thought about a funny song called "Thai Love Song by Namewee." It has English subtitle if you are interested in watching on youtube.).

1st time she was OK. Then, she said the after 2nd run, she wanted to leave and grab something to eat.

In fact, I didn't really pay attention.

After 2nd run, she dressed up and started bullshit me again.

I looked down again, I saw a happy mushroom, and I know it's OK to let go.

I was thinking to give her 20, but you know, bad skill didn't make it.

It ended up that I gave her 30.

She said that she would come back until morning so that she could get the full amount. Balabala.

Sighed. Enough shit for tonight, OK!

She just left 20 minutes ago.

I won't expect her coming back.

At least, it's better than last time.

Before I do the homework studying here, I was charged 50 for one boom boom.

Thanks to Kenny Rogers, Islandboy54, and others.

Your posts really help a lot.

[QUOTE=HansOuchi;1851983]She just left 20 minutes ago.

I won't expect her coming back...[/QUOTE]In fact, she did come back. At 4 AM.

She kept coughing while sleeping and made me not sleeping well.

Anyway, she came back, so I kept my promise paying her the rest this morning.

Hi all,

It appears that my little Khmer room is opposite the room for 4 local bargirls. I've only managed to see one of them so far, and she's probably an 8, but they all clink clonk around in heels at all sorts of times of the day.

Anyway, has anyone got any experience with getting regular action from the next door neighbor? Seems kinda kinky. Girl comes home from work dressed to the 9's and just knocks on your bedroom door at all hours of the day! My own little porno movie.

What do you reckon an agreed discounted price could be given convenience? After all, my room's more comfortable, and she can fuckoff whenever she likes anyway. Naked actually given we're on the top floor.

In terms of etiquette, shall I try and pick one, or just nail all 4 and rotate.

Any experience or suggestions welcome.

Happy mongering.

AC

I picked up a beautiful girl at a disco last winter in PP. Absolutely gorgeous and the best looking girl I have been with in Asia. After very nice and enthusiastic sex, we rested and was hoping for a second session as it was a short time arrangement.

Then, she started coughing and could not stop. A 1/2 hour later, she sat on the edge of bed still coughing. Finally, she left though I asked her to stay. She said her parents were expecting her to come home. That's why she could not do long time.

It was later that I read that TB is a significant health issue in PP and Cambodia in general. It is highly contagious and the bad air quality and dusty streets in PP can also contribute to this pernicious disease. I never developed any symptoms but it's something to keep in mind whilst in Cambodia; mongering or otherwise.

[QUOTE=HansOuchi;1852331]In fact, she did come back. At 4 AM.

She kept coughing while sleeping and made me not sleeping well.

Anyway, she came back, so I kept my promise paying her the rest this morning.[/QUOTE]

All 4 if their not girlfriend material or you have limited time in PP.

[QUOTE=AndyCam;1855732]Hi all,

It appears that my little Khmer room is opposite the room for 4 local bargirls. I've only managed to see one of them so far, and she's probably an 8, but they all clink clonk around in heels at all sorts of times of the day.

Anyway, has anyone got any experience with getting regular action from the next door neighbor? Seems kinda kinky. Girl comes home from work dressed to the 9's and just knocks on your bedroom door at all hours of the day! My own little porno movie.

What do you reckon an agreed discounted price could be given convenience? After all, my room's more comfortable, and she can fuckoff whenever she likes anyway. Naked actually given we're on the top floor.

In terms of etiquette, shall I try and pick one, or just nail all 4 and rotate.

Any experience or suggestions welcome.

Happy mongering.

AC[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cool;1856866]All 4 if their not girlfriend material or you have limited time in PP.[/QUOTE]Two bulls standing on a hilltop looking at a herd of cows in the valley. The younger one: lets run down and fuck one.

The older one: first we walk down then we fuck them all.

[QUOTE=Titanio;1847984]Whatever it is, BigOwl is spot on. Phnom Penh is not what it was up tonabout 6-8 years ago. Where nowadays do you see girlie bars packed with people? On my recent trip in January this year I vaguely remember in Street 104 one bar on one night had a good vibe with mix of men and women. But most bars all up to Street 136 only had the occasional customer in or were completely devastated. It was easy to spot, the more girls sitting outside, the less customers, or more often none, were inside.[/QUOTE]I see many here at ISG deploring of Phnom Penh. Of course, this is not as 10-15 years ago. There is nowhere that is. All locations are changing. But there are still many cute girls for a good price. When my girl's mother became ill, I had suddenly 4 days for me into the PP. What better to do than to go out and look for girls.

Day 1: Took a FL girl from Sorya Mall. Only 19 years old, no children. Sweet, totally GFE. LT $ 20.

Day 2: Took a massage on France Street (between Wat Prom and Japanese Bridge). She asked if I wanted extra. I wanted, but only in my room. She was off duty at 11 pm and came to my hotel. 28 years old, one baby but a good body. LT, $ 30.

Day 3: Went to bar in Street 104. Took a 21 year old girl from a bar late at night. Very nice, no children, perfect body. No BF, as the bar was closing. LT $ 40.

Day 4: Went to bar in Street 130. Took a 26 year old girl from Loco my last night alone. Very sweet girl and with a good body. BF $ 15. LT $ 40.

I had 4 days with beautiful women. No one refused to go with me. What more could a man ask for. A total of $ 155 plus drinks and a few lady drinks.

Phnom Penh is a great city. But if you are to PSE Thailand is much better. If you are in to GFE is Cambodia perfect.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1858716]
Day 4: Went to bar in Street 130. Took a 26 year old girl from Loco my last night alone. Very sweet girl and with a good body. BF $ 15. LT $ 40.[/QUOTE]That's great catch, I usually pay same for 3 HR ST at Loco, LOL!

S back in Phnom Penh late last year, and will be back in town early next month for 3 weeks, looking forward to some fun.

I didn't bother to post re my travels last year as nothing exceptional to report. Took one enthusiastic but not overly hot girl from Helicopter Bar from St 136 - had a couple of interesting afternoon drinking sessions and interactions with the girls at Butterfly Bar also on St 136, strange place as in the girls all appear to be a bit wired and crazy, or is this just a day time hours thing?

One place I frequented for the first time was Apple Bar on St 172 - a damn fine selection of girls, probably the best I came across however I didn't bar fine any girls from there. There was one super cutie who spoke barely zero English. My moderate Khmer got us by, she was fresh from the province and was really hot. Barely 20, might have to swing by and see how I fare this time? Have any PP regulars been to this place and can you comment? I don't recall reading any reviews about Apple Bar on here before?

So. This leads me to a question if I may, Nay Nay Star having been a mainstay of the scene for many a year, had the on site room which was a bonus, and always a decent selection of girls. Can any PP locals and regulars comment on what the place is like since the re-branding and outside change of image to Valhalla? Still a good selection of girls? Do they still accommodate on site room for playtime??

Looking forward to being back in PP soon.

DingoD.

[QUOTE=DingoD;1858961]S back in Phnom Penh late last year, and will be back in town early next month for 3 weeks, looking forward to some fun.

I didn't bother to post re my travels last year as nothing exceptional to report. Took one enthusiastic but not overly hot girl from Helicopter Bar from St 136 - had a couple of interesting afternoon drinking sessions and interactions with the girls at Butterfly Bar also on St 136, strange place as in the girls all appear to be a bit wired and crazy, or is this just a day time hours thing?

One place I frequented for the first time was Apple Bar on St 172 - a damn fine selection of girls, probably the best I came across however I didn't bar fine any girls from there. There was one super cutie who spoke barely zero English. My moderate Khmer got us by, she was fresh from the province and was really hot. Barely 20, might have to swing by and see how I fare this time? Have any PP regulars been to this place and can you comment? I don't recall reading any reviews about Apple Bar on here before?

So. This leads me to a question if I may, Nay Nay Star having been a mainstay of the scene for many a year, had the on site room which was a bonus, and always a decent selection of girls. Can any PP locals and regulars comment on what the place is like since the re-branding and outside change of image to Valhalla? Still a good selection of girls? Do they still accommodate on site room for playtime??

Looking forward to being back in PP soon.

DingoD.[/QUOTE]In the days that Nay Nay was the lady bartender, and the best looking girl in the bar, it was just an OK bar. Since sold it has gone through renovations and is not openly acting as a guest house with St rooms anymore. And yes, action on site still possible but I got the impression, from last January, that some or all? Of the girls are freelancers as one girl I had a chat with the night before, I met again in a Street 104 bar. All nights it was very quiet but music on conversational level. Not impressed by the quality of the girls at all, so a hit or miss. I would consider this a little sleazy type of bar on the same level as Bunny Bar in Street 104, But the number of girls and looks are better in Bunny Bar where you can also arrange for private use of the backside couches or the upstairs pool area. Just ask and the girl will arrange for you, same as it always have been in Bar 104. Take 2 girls upstairs and they arranged nobody will attend upstairs. So all in all there are better options than Nay Nay Star. I stayed in the hotel at the street corner for a week in January this year.

Howdy troops.

Are the Viet places still alive and well in Toul Kork (sorry if misspelled)?

If not, where is a good area to find the Viet women? Thank you for your help.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1858755]That's great catch, I usually pay same for 3 HR ST at Loco, LOL![/QUOTE]The 40 dollar is ok for LT. Usually I talk a bit with the girl first. Buy a drink and a ladydrink. Then I ask if she would go with me. If she says yes I tell her what I want and what I would pay her. On this trip to PP I asked 4 girls. All said yes and all accepted the amount as I offered. But I never tried to pay 15 dollar in BF. Is that normal in PP now? Last year I only paid 10 dollar in BF.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1860073]But I never tried to pay 15 dollar in BF. Is that normal in PP now? Last year I only paid 10 dollar in BF.[/QUOTE]Some of the bars on street 130 (Honey Pot, Angry Birds and at least one more I believe) have $15 BF on Fridays and Saturdays.

[QUOTE=Sketchy;1860085]Some of the bars on street 130 (Honey Pot, Angry Birds and at least one more I believe) have $15 BF on Fridays and Saturdays.[/QUOTE]I wasn't aware of this. I didn't take anyone out of Angry Birds when I was in PP in December, but I did take a couple of girls out of Honey Pot mid-week. It reinforces that one must get all the relevant information before committing to taking a girl out ie. Cost of barfine, cost of girl, what activities she'll participate in, whether she bareback (if that's your thing) etc.

Recently, my wingmen and I spent 6 days in Phnom Penh (PP), Cambodia. My regular wingman and I have been there 2 years ago, but only for 4 days. This time, we picked up 3 more punters from Thailand and all 5 of us descended on PP. Another punter had visited PP once before and the other 2 never.

We stayed at the Grand Waterfront hotel on 130. I reserved through Agoda and picked their smaller room by mistake, more like a studio. The normal room is much bigger and only slightly more expensive, at $50/ night. They have even bigger rooms for slightly more but I heard from the wingmen that the window AC unit cannot cool them well enough.

PP has not changed much from 2 years ago, maybe a bit dirtier. At the corner of our street, close to the river, there was a homeless family staying on the street. That area looked scary and smelly, pretty bad. The family had 2 young children and I felt sad for them. Some of us did our best to spoil them. We went to lunch every day and we were not very hungry. Hence, there was plenty of leftover food for that family.

From the punting side, I noticed that prices have gone up, to the point that they are much closer to prices in Pattaya. But the chicks were much friendlier and less mercenaries. We were always quoted tourist prices and I for one rarely negotiate. But I was happy with the service. Most of my mongering was concentrated in 2 areas, the bars and Darlin Darlin (DD). Other folks ventured elsewhere but I did not, as I am a sucker for eye candy.

I picked up 2 lovely ladies at DD. One of them was Cambodian and turned out to be a star fish, a waste of money. The other was Vietnamese and was a different story, the best of the entire trip (Thailand / Cambodia). She was eye candy, even DDG (drop dead gorgeous) with a stunning body, slim with nice curves, and customer oriented. Her service bordered on the PSE (porn star experience) side. I ended up seeing her 4 times for all night. At DD, the girls were asking $100 for short time, and $150/$200 for LT.

I also picked up a few chicks from several bars around the hotel for short time action. The girls wanted $50 for short time action, but were willing to go for $30/$40. However, I found the bar scene annoying, as the girls would swarm around you and pester you for drinks all the time you are there. Two of us were softies, so the girls kept picking on us and we ended up with large drink bills every time, which tainted the experience a bit. I eventually learned to manage the damage from LD drinks.

We also visited a massage parlor, on the 5th floor of the Soul Golden City hotel, one afternoon. That was a complete disaster. 3 of us picked girls and we all had a disappointing experience. The girls wanted $100, and they would not settle for less than $50. Yet, they provided lousy service, no kissing, no BBBJ, no touching. My girl was eye candy but I could not get it up with her. I was so turned off that I got up, got dressed, tossed her a $50 bill and left in disgust. She tried to get me to stay but I would no consider it, I was so pissed. She did not speak a word of English, yet when I tried to communicate with her using an app on my phone, she did not show any interest. Incidentally, we had a similar experience 2 years ago at the Yang Mei MP. So, no more MPs for me in PP.

Overall, I had a good time on this trip, as my Vietnamese chick was the highlight of the trip for me. Next time, I will focus my effort on DD and the bars, no more experimenting.

I have been in PP for two days stopover again and would like to add my 2 cents to the overall "pricing"discussion:

Yeah prices been spoiled. Yeah its not like 10 years before. But PP is not like it was 10 years before.

My experience is: ST 20 to 30, good service. LT 40 to 50, good service. Can be hit or miss, depending on girl, mood and time of day.

100 LT plus barfine for LE Cyrcee girls: WELL Worth the expense. NEVER EVER been let down!

But let me be frank: If you are really overweight or ugly or into all too exotic practices then the prices may explode for virtually non-existing service.

That doesn't mean you have to look like a movie star, but shave, clean teeth and fresh shower may reduce the damage by 50%.

My experience is: If you look cheap the prices go up. Even if the girls ask for 100, if you offer 50 LT with an accommodating smile they will accept. If you tell them that you don't pay 100 $ for a w* then they will likely turn around and go.

I usually treat the girls like they treat me and they e-mail and SMS me even when I go back. Certainly no love but they do seem happy to see me whenever I get back.

Whether you get a hardened hooker or a sweet countrygirl depends on your picks.

Word to the wise: Do NOT Believe anything the girls say. Do NOT get involved. I had my time with a Khmer girl and it took me a few weeks to find out what she was. .

Still, many girls are nice. Just don't expect too much. If you are willing to marry, things may be different, but I ain't.

Avoid Soraya Mall. It's really getting a dump and too many drugs there. Lina Vong a / k / a Sreyoun Aihdisdiz is back in town. Soraya - after some stint in the countryside, avoid her like the plague. She gave a buddy of mine the syph a few weeks ago (he said his condom ripped, may be true or not, she does offer bareback in all 3 h's for 10 or 20 $ tip to support her drug habit).

She also has a habit of stealing cellphones and wallets (a guest in the hotel where I usually stay reported to the manager).

But then, Lina V. Is the exception. My current fav is Da, a really sweet rather voluptuous Latina-looking girl, 21 with very European features. Great ass, great big firm boobs, definitely GFE.

40 $ LT although I usually take her for some shopping. If you want her to come along, she's a 300 $ a week all-in, picks a 2nd girl for 3 some pleasure and bargains hard at that with the others, LOL.

She got me two sexy chicks for a 4some, both nice looking, Mon and Yut,both about 20. It was 120 $ all three together, payable to Da. Not sure what she paid the others.

Local upscale girls:

They are not as untouchable as some here seem to believe. I got involved with N., a 26 year old REAL looker. Very upscale family (been there and know her Dad socially, no fake or make believe.

She loves to go out with me but only with Cousins or sister present to places like FCC. I know her for four years and never succeeded to bed her.

Turned out I just did not ask the right question. When I invited her over to Bangkok last week, she joined me without hesitation. Of course I had to book a 2nd room for her and her cousin, but she never saw that room from the inside.

What can I say, she was worth the wait, GREAT. Sorry no pic, she can't afford any scandal. She waits that I ask her to marry be but that won't happen. He cousin is also a real looker and gave me some hints.

So when I will be back in PP end of this month I'll find out if she was just flirty or really available.

These girls have the same sexual needs as anyone. If you are halfways educated and groomed with some manners, they are available. But VERY discreetly.

It did cost me the airfare PNH-BKK for two girls and some Victorias Secret and Manolo Blahniks for N., but again, she was worth it.

She even had my first name tattooed over her thingy-small but visible. That really amazed me, I did not ask her to do it. That was her surprise for me and that's what she got the Manolo Blahniks for.

Her Dad's second Mia Noi (sorry I don't know the Khmer word, LOL) just turned 18 and is pregnant. Middle class family but still they arranged. I would say that may have cost 100 grand upwards-and for PP that's REAL money.

I'll be back in PP end of this month and 1st week of May. Anyone up for a beer and chat, drop me a line. If there's something worth reporting you can read it on here.

Can anyone share experiences with Karaoke clubs, especially KTV? Are barang welcome and how is the pricing and the goods?

Cheers, Kenny.

Chicken. About 35 why old.

Has anyone tried this girl? I can PM you her Facebook link and name, I believe she can be found in Channary Bar on St 104 or Rose Bar, same street. Or at least they know of her and can make you an appointment with her.

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[QUOTE=KennyRogers;1864579]100 LT plus barfine for LE Cyrcee girls: WELL Worth the expense. NEVER EVER been let down![/QUOTE]Thanks for the copious amounts of info there King Kenny.

I popped into Cyrcee last time I was in PP but didn't really appreciate being mobbed by the girls. I was the only guy in the place. And so high-tailed it out of there. I thought about going back when I'm in PP at the end of this week and am wondering if you know what a ST in the upstairs room costs. $100 + BF is a lot more than I'm used to paying in PP.

[QUOTE=AussieFella;1867203] I'm in PP at the end of this week and am wondering if you know what a ST in the upstairs room costs. $100 + BF is a lot more than I'm used to paying in PP.[/QUOTE]ST across the street is BF, $25-35 for girl plus $5 for room and $5 for condom (bring your own).

[QUOTE=AussieFella;1867203]Thanks for the copious amounts of info there King Kenny.

I popped into Cyrcee last time I was in PP but didn't really appreciate being mobbed by the girls. I was the only guy in the place. And so high-tailed it out of there. I thought about going back when I'm in PP at the end of this week and am wondering if you know what a ST in the upstairs room costs. $100 + BF is a lot more than I'm used to paying in PP.[/QUOTE]NO Way. You got me wrong. ST is 30 or 40 plus barfine. But the girls are okay to make appointment for 1 am, after that you can take them out without being barfined. 100 is an all-in, all-night, no limits thingy.

Cyrcee girls are cute, straightforward and not shy. Ask if they accommodate your wants and needs. If they say yes they will. Cyrcee is double price triple fun.

I would not use the word "mobbed". Yeah the girls tend to crowd you, but as soon as you have settled on one or two they leave you well alone, unlike in other establishments.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1860073]The 40 dollar is ok for LT. Usually I talk a bit with the girl first. Buy a drink and a ladydrink. Then I ask if she would go with me. If she says yes I tell her what I want and what I would pay her. On this trip to PP I asked 4 girls. All said yes and all accepted the amount as I offered. But I never tried to pay 15 dollar in BF. Is that normal in PP now? Last year I only paid 10 dollar in BF.[/QUOTE]Its us who make the prices by accept crazy prices compare to Cambodia living. BF, when not exist was the driver to get customer to Cambodia and so lots, lots of western bar owner started BF copied Thailand. BF never more then 10 sol. Girls max. 20 dol. I have always success with that but will be changed when mongers and others accept a all kind of prices. Remember a workers monthly salary is between, 100 - 150 dol. A month so when girls charge 50 dol they charge a half months salary for one our.

[QUOTE=Finkel60;1868633]Its us who make the prices by accept crazy prices compare to Cambodia living. BF, when not exist was the driver to get customer to Cambodia and so lots, lots of western bar owner started BF copied Thailand. BF never more then 10 sol. Girls max. 20 dol. I have always success with that but will be changed when mongers and others accept a all kind of prices. Remember a workers monthly salary is between, 100 - 150 dol. A month so when girls charge 50 dol they charge a half months salary for one our.[/QUOTE]Supply and demand set the price. Salaries of regular jobs is increasing. A friend of mine works as a secretary. She earns $ 350 a month. Also factory workers' wages increased somewhat in recent years.

I don't think $ 40 LT is a crazy price but I know that I still can have bargirl LT in Sihanoukville for $ 30. I you want cheaper price you can take FL. Easy to find for $ 20 LT and for $ 10ST.

Everything is up to you.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1868874]Supply and demand set the price.[/QUOTE]The supply of bargirls in Phnom Penh is much higher than the demand.

But yes, I also think $40 LT is acceptable.

I was in PP last year December for 4 nights and stayed at Lux Riverside hotel for $220.

I had a beautiful room with king size bed, only downside was the view from my room (gallery with entrance to other rooms). But it was girl friendly and the front desk always rung to check if everything was OK when girls were leaving.

First night I walked to Walkabout at 109 Pasteur street (51). Ordered a beer and within one minute I was approached by an average looking girl who wanted to give me a good time. I didn't really find her attractive so I said no thanks and kept op nipping on my beer. Finished my beer and went to Cycree bar. After entering I was swarmed with girls; as soon as I sat down there must of been at least 10 girls grabbing my balls and rubbing their boobs against me. It was a wonderful experience and I just loved it. I picked out a girl with orange hair and we went to a ST hotel on the opposite side of the street. The room was crappy but the girl was so sweet. After showering together she gave me a great blowjob and then she came and sat with her tight pussy on me (with condom). Within seconds I came, she made me feel so good. After a little chit-chat, her English wasn't that good so we couldn't really communicate, we went back to the bar. I paid about $80 for drinks, BF, ST (hotel), condom, tip. Maybe I paid too much but I had a great time.

The next day I went sight seeing (Choeung Ek killing field and Tuol Sleng museum). It was very shocking to hear what Pol Pot did in the 1970's and I was kind of emotionally stunned. So I went back to my hotel and asked for a massage in my room. The guy at the front desk asked if I preferred a young or old lady; of course I preferred a younger lady. About 10 minutes later a beautiful lady with long sexy dress came to my room (her name was Lyn). The massage wasn't very good but I always replied that it felt good when she asked me. After 30 minutes I turned around and I agreed to a HJ for $30 extra (the massage itself was $10). I want in the mood (and I didn't cum) so after a while we just started to chat; I asked her if she wanted to go out with me that night and stay with me LT. Unfortunately she was occupied, but she knew another girl who could accompany me. On my request for 2 girls she arranged another girl. The price was $100 per girl and they would stay with me from 8 pm till the next day 11-12 am. Within 20 minutes the 2 girls were in my room, they were so beautiful and young. Only one of them spoke English, the other was a little bit shy and stayed in the background. First we went out to have dinner and then later we went to Soraya Mall to have a few drinks and play a bit of snooker. The shy girl became more and more fun after she started to drink and we had a great time playing snooker. What I didn't like that we were hassled quite a few times by guys who wanted to play snooker for money; I just said no and tried to ignore them. It was about 12 pm and we decided to go to Pontoon; In Pontoon it was like a gay bar, there we so many single guys there. When I walked in with 2 girls by my side I saw their mouths drop open, I felt quite lucky. We started "sandwich" dancing and I could feel that everyone was looking at us. Again I really enjoyed myself. At 3-4 am we went back to the hotel, I gave the girls their money and asked them to leave because I wanted to sleep (no sex but I didn't mind! OK it was expensive and I truly overpaid those girls (forgive me for driving the price up), but it was worth the money in my eyes.

I agreed to see one of the girls from last night for a second time but as she was now asking for $150; I just sent an SMS saying I didn't like her any more. And that was that.

The next 2 nights I LTed with Amom from lotus bar on 130 street. The BF was $10 and I paid $30 for long time. The second night, Aya, a friend of Amom also came and slept with us. Also paid Aya $30. Paying $60 for a threesome is not bad and they took very good care of me! They also brought me to the airport and gave me big kiss in front of a huge crowd.

I just loved Phnom Phen. I am a guy in my fifties and a bit overweight; however if you don't hassle the girls and treat them well, they will take good care of you. I just can't wait to go back again.

[QUOTE=KennyRogers;1867963]NO Way. You got me wrong. ST is 30 or 40 plus barfine. But the girls are okay to make appointment for 1 am, after that you can take them out without being barfined. 100 is an all-in, all-night, no limits thingy.

Cyrcee girls are cute, straightforward and not shy. Ask if they accommodate your wants and needs. If they say yes they will. Cyrcee is double price triple fun.

I would not use the word "mobbed". Yeah the girls tend to crowd you, but as soon as you have settled on one or two they leave you well alone, unlike in other establishments.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I realised I misunderstood. I went back to Cyrcee two nights ago and took two girls across the road. $20 in BF and $50 to the girls ($25 each). Pretty good value!

When I refer to being mobbed, it's the dozen girls who surround me when I sit down, all trying to get my attention and demanding I pick someone NOW. Yes, they do mostly leave once a selection is made but it's that initial crowding that puts me off. I prefer to take things a little more sedately and make a selection (or not) in my own time. Still, obviously other guys enjoy the attention so it's not a major drama.

[QUOTE=PietBerghout;1870378]The next 2 nights I LTed with Amom from lotus bar on 130 street. The BF was $10 and I paid $30 for long time. .[/QUOTE]I also had Amom for a couple of nights in December. She's an absolute sweetie who really knows how to take care of a guy. She's hasn't got a pretty face but her body is superb. I was so disappointed when I arrived back on Friday to find that she's gone back to her province and no longer in Lotus Bar. Aya has also left.

[QUOTE=PietBerghout;1870378]
I just loved Phnom Phen. I am a guy in my fifties and a bit overweight; however if you don't hassle the girls and treat them well, they will take good care of you. I just can't wait to go back again.[/QUOTE]Great report, can't wait to return myself!

Hi,

I'm looking for a Guesthouse near the riverside with a good internet connection, seedy (I don't want to be hassled for bringing in girls, having fun, and not being asked for ID or anything), and somewhat clean.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=AussieFella;1870677]Yes, they do mostly leave once a selection is made but it's that initial crowding that puts me off. [/QUOTE]I think I've mentioned my technique before. I just buy any one of them a drink, right off. Then the scrum go back to their seats where I can check them out at leisure. Costs, what, a couple bucks and gives you all the time you want to make your choice.

Newbie to PP. Planning to be there mid-May. Understand it might be the start of the rainy season. Do things quieten down or are the bars just as busy. Anyone around that time that fancies a few beers let me know.

[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;1871430]Hi,

I'm looking for a Guesthouse near the riverside with a good internet connection, seedy (I don't want to be hassled for bringing in girls, having fun, and not being asked for ID or anything), and somewhat clean.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Tonle Sap GH above the Pickled Parrot bar (open 24/7) in Street 104, or California 2 on Riverside just around the corner of Street 102. The latter has some more comfortable rooms. Only issue with Tonle Is that they do not have split A/ C so quite noisy, but both clean, safe and very reliable pricing.

[QUOTE=Titanio;1871789]Tonle Sap GH above the Pickled Parrot bar (open 24/7) in Street 104, or California 2 on Riverside just around the corner of Street 102. The latter has some more comfortable rooms. Only issue with Tonle Is that they do not have split A/ C so quite noisy, but both clean, safe and very reliable pricing.[/QUOTE]California2 was sold one year ago. New name is [URL]http://www.sundanceriverside.com/riverside/[/URL] It is a very nice place. Clean rooms, cold beer, good food and friendly staff. Close to action and the night market. I stayed there many times and can recomand that hotel. By the way, it is for sale again. Only 120.000 dollar, if any one want to change lifestyle and become a hotelowner in Phnom Penh.

Another great small guesthouse is [URL]http://www.sarysguesthouse.com/[/URL] at street 130. In the middle of the action, 50 m from Loco Bar and Angry Bird. A real "home away from home".

[QUOTE=TheGaffer;1871716]Newbie to PP. Planning to be there mid-May........... let me know.[/QUOTE]How would I let you know?

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1871913]California2 was sold one year ago. New name is [URL]http://www.sundanceriverside.com/riverside/[/URL] It is a very nice place. Clean rooms, cold beer, good food and friendly staff. Close to action and the night market. I stayed there many times and can recomand that hotel. By the way, it is for sale again. Only 120.000 dollar, if any one want to change lifestyle and become a hotelowner in Phnom Penh.

Another great small guesthouse is [URL]http://www.sarysguesthouse.com/[/URL] at street 130. In the middle of the action, 50 m from Loco Bar and Angry Bird. A real "home away from home".[/QUOTE]Hey,

Thanks for the reply. Does these guests house require IDs for the girls?

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1872053]How would I let you know?[/QUOTE]I'll PM you.

[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;1871430]Hi,

I'm looking for a Guesthouse near the riverside with a good internet connection, seedy (I don't want to be hassled for bringing in girls, having fun, and not being asked for ID or anything), and somewhat clean.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Sary's Guesthouse on 130st is pretty good and central to the fun. I never had a second glance bringing a girl back there. They close the gates there at 11 pm (sometimes a little earlier) and the 'security' opens it for you when you come back. You have to wake him up and all he's concerned with is going back to sleep; he doesn't give two hoots who you bring back.

I also just stayed at Indochine 2 on 130st (because Sary's was full) and that was fine as well. Same deal with the locked gates and 'security' not caring who you bring back.

[QUOTE=AussieFella;1872897]Sary's Guesthouse on 130st is pretty good and central to the fun. I never had a second glance bringing a girl back there. They close the gates there at 11 pm (sometimes a little earlier) and the 'security' opens it for you when you come back. You have to wake him up and all he's concerned with is going back to sleep; he doesn't give two hoots who you bring back.

I also just stayed at Indochine 2 on 130st (because Sary's was full) and that was fine as well. Same deal with the locked gates and 'security' not caring who you bring back.[/QUOTE]Hey,

Thanks for the reply. How was the internet at Sarys and Indochina? The internet is very important for me.

[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;1872410]Hey,

Thanks for the reply. Does these guests house require IDs for the girls?[/QUOTE]Read what Aussie Fella write about Sarys guesthouse. Sometimes it is a little difficult to wake up the "security" guy, LOL.

At Sundance Riverside the bar is open 24/7, so you can always have a good night drink. None of these places ask for ID from the girl.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1873114]Read what Aussie Fella write about Sarys guesthouse. Sometimes it is a little difficult to wake up the "security" guy, LOL.

At Sundance Riverside the bar is open 24/7, so you can always have a good night drink. None of these places ask for ID from the girl.[/QUOTE]LOL! That would be horrible if you couldn't get back to your room.

[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;1873103]Hey,

Thanks for the reply. How was the internet at Sarys and Indochina? The internet is very important for me.[/QUOTE]I found the internet at both to be fine. I downloaded the first Ep of Game Of Thrones at Indochine with no problem and decent speed.

Isay bar and pool hall opposite the old walkabout and opposite the blue tongue.

Walk passed and saw many girls one with exception key nice large boobs.

Bar-fine is $10 also need to buy 3 LD first.

Haven't heard of that before.

Also had good chat with owner and 2nd bar manager.

All the other hostess has limited English.

[QUOTE=ClearWater;1874700]Isay bar and pool hall opposite the old walkabout and opposite the blue tongue.

Walk passed and saw many girls one with exception key nice large boobs.

Bar-fine is $10 also need to buy 3 LD first.

Haven't heard of that before.

Also had good chat with owner and 2nd bar manager.

All the other hostess has limited English.[/QUOTE]Isay bar had a try to promote themselves here end of last year. I visited that bar back in February, had a drink, check bin, went and never returned. I was not impressed by the non existing atmosphere.

Hey,

I kinda of looking for a bar that doesn't cater to a big tourist scene. I just want to chill out with a beer, a nice beautiful girl, and was hoping if anyone can help me out here. It doesn't have to be a nice bar. I don't mind if its run down but just a place where tourists don't frequent and where the girls are so ugly LOL. I was also hoping to find one near the riverside area.

Thanks!

Just came back from sorya mall. One tiny, almost cute girl quoted this 22 $st and 23 $LT, she must be math class topper. I wasn't there to bring anyone to hotel so was just checking out. Maybe I went there too early.

Barfined twice last night from LE cycree, today I will just do touristy stuff.

[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;1875408]Hey,

I kinda of looking for a bar that doesn't cater to a big tourist scene. I just want to chill out with a beer, a nice beautiful girl, and was hoping if anyone can help me out here.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Loco Bar is quiet, lots of girls but absolutely no pressure for lady drinks, etc. Owner is expat, tell him T1234 make the recommendation.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1875653]Loco Bar is quiet, lots of girls but absolutely no pressure for lady drinks, etc. Owner is expat, tell him T1234 make the recommendation.[/QUOTE]I just saw pics of it and it seems too many people are there. Not good for me.

I just had this friend of mine come back from PP. Although he said for the most part he loved the ID tell me that there was a very scary encounter. He wen to this area known for FL called what NOM or something like that. He picked up this girl, asked her how old she was and was reassured she was over 18. However when getting back to his room the manager came up to him screaming in his broken English that he had bought an [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] girl to his room. The manager then called the police who came to the guesthouse only to find out that the girl was indeed [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url]. After pleading with the police that he had no idea and that the girl told him she was over aged, the police left while telling him he would go to jail next time. This is horrible for me because I like the seedier girls and not the ones in bars. However I have no intention of going to jail for a come I certainly have no intention of committing. So I guess my question is How the hell can I tell the difference? My friend told me that the other guest houses didn't care about the girls age with an attitude like its not our fault. However I don't want any manager calling the police for a misunderstanding. I'm thinking that I just might have to abandon the FLs and just go after bar girls. But is there a method of telling how old she is?

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Johnnie,

Ask them for their horoscope instead the year of birth, and do it rather casual, more if to see if you match. They will tell you. It repeats every twelve years that gives you some accuracy. Look it up on the net.

Also if you stay at a proper place and give the receptionist a dollar once in a while he might prevent these calamities by checking her ID. Never go to the gh the girl wants you to go to when picking up from what Phnom. Just as a precaution against any set up.

Have you checked the scene at the Japanese bridge?

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1876216]Johnnie,

Ask them for their horoscope instead the year of birth, and do it rather casual, more if to see if you match. They will tell you. It repeats every twelve years that gives you some accuracy. Look it up on the net.

Also if you stay at a proper place and give the receptionist a dollar once in a while he might prevent these calamities by checking her ID. Never go to the gh the girl wants you to go to when picking up from what Phnom. Just as a precaution against any set up.

Have you checked the scene at the Japanese bridge?[/QUOTE]The Japanese bridge? No but I've heard that it was a seedy area where FLs hangout. Have you been? If I wanted to check it out should I just say Japanese bridge to a TUK TUK driver?

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1876216]Johnnie,

Ask them for their horoscope instead the year of birth, and do it rather casual, more if to see if you match. They will tell you. It repeats every twelve years that gives you some accuracy. Look it up on the net.

Also if you stay at a proper place and give the receptionist a dollar once in a while he might prevent these calamities by checking her ID. Never go to the gh the girl wants you to go to when picking up from what Phnom. Just as a precaution against any set up.

Have you checked the scene at the Japanese bridge?[/QUOTE]I don't want to sound like a scummy but I really don't like the girls in bars. I think they're too high maintenance and overpriced. I've tried FLS in Thailand and had a blast with them. I've heard there are a lot of good areas to meet FLS in Phnom Peh like what Phnom, ST 70, and the chicken farm. LOL funny on the last one.

[QUOTE] I've heard there are a lot of good areas to meet FLS in Phnom Penh like what Phnom, ST 70, and the chicken farm. [/QUOTE]I never took a girl out from the bar in pp other than FLs in 12 years. Freelancers come with the right business attitude.

Check the posts in the forum here. RTFF. It is all there including the jap. Bridge.

Wat Phnom BTW is without the h but the auto correct makes it impossible. Wat (no h) is a temple and Phnom a hill. The whole city is named after that mound. Doesn't hurt to know something.

Now you can also play the shower game:

Girl: I go with you.

You: no have power. Thank you.

Girl: me hot. Can I take shower your room?

You: only the shower, yes!

Girl: okay.

So you take the girl to the room and rinse off quickly while the girl gets a look at your room and changes into a towel. You lie on the bed and watch TV or read a book when she gets out of the shower wrapped in the towel and sidling up to you gets all cosy next to you. You pretend the whole thing doesn't matter to you much. The girl will then try to get you to make a move. She does not want to go back down to the street without your money but as long as you don't touch her you owe her nothing of course as you only took her along for the shower. The last time I did this the girl blew me for an entire chapter of a henry miller novel before I could not take it anymore and rolled her over and and f*ed her ,15 $ damage. Much better service that way. Of course you could just send her away anytime. After that she stayed on I thought napping, I continued reading when I noticed some gentle rocking movement, I checked and was right. She had been diddling herself for like 20 minutes when I got out the KY jelly and the vibrator. After some serious efforts on my part to give her some relief- it ended as it always does the girl sleeping with the vibrator in her pussy until the battery runs out.

I am not sure I should post this because it will be difficult for others to repeat the experience.

I have been around Phnom Penh for a while going between Singapore, Thailand and Cambodia.

The bar scene in Phnom Penh near riverside has been well reported.

I met some friends who have long lines of connections to university hotties. The section of girls who are aspiring models / actresses.

I met several of them and most of them are not much fun because of language barriers, and really not in the business of P4 P (not yet anyway).

One exception was a tall girl, 170 cm. The younger generation in Cambodia can create relatively tall girls because of better nutrition I guess.

She calls me all the time and wants to meet up. We have met up 3 or 4 times for drinks and after hours fun.

I am attaching a photo she sent me. Can't see her face clearly so it's allowable to upload. You can see she has a tight body from daily yoga. Downside is not much in the boobs area. Haha.

She isn't p4 p. Only take her for drinks and she is up for fun as long as time allows.

I just figured I would post this since I have suitable photos, sorry to say I don't know how my experiences could be duplicated by others. But you can see there are very pretty girls in Cambodia if you find the right places.

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Now that's just teasing and NOT fair.

Thanks for the pic.

[QUOTE=TesterTester;1877017]I am not sure I should post this because it will be difficult for others to repeat the experience.

I have been around Phnom Penh for a while going between Singapore, Thailand and Cambodia.

The bar scene in Phnom Penh near riverside has been well reported.

I met some friends who have long lines of connections to university hotties. The section of girls who are aspiring models / actresses.

I met several of them and most of them are not much fun because of language barriers, and really not in the business of P4 P (not yet anyway).

One exception was a tall girl, 170 cm. The younger generation in Cambodia can create relatively tall girls because of better nutrition I guess.

She calls me all the time and wants to meet up. We have met up 3 or 4 times for drinks and after hours fun.

I am attaching a photo she sent me. Can't see her face clearly so it's allowable to upload. You can see she has a tight body from daily yoga. Downside is not much in the boobs area. Haha.

She isn't p4 p. Only take her for drinks and she is up for fun as long as time allows.

I just figured I would post this since I have suitable photos, sorry to say I don't know how my experiences could be duplicated by others. But you can see there are very pretty girls in Cambodia if you find the right places.[/QUOTE]

Hi does any one know of a room or hotel near GSM st 51 ?about 20/30 $ night not sundance or billabong.

Thanks.

I haven't heard of any near GSM although there are plenty. Go on agoda or something like that. Last time I went on it there were a lot. I always wanted to check out GSM. Heard great things about the FLS over there.

Just came back from amazing weekend trip to PP. Stayed at LE Grand Palais, Rooms are almost as good as pics on Agoda and that is an achievement for a hotel in SE Asia. I stayed in lotus room, it is big and girls were impressed. AC is too small for room of this size and takes a while to cool down but positive aspect is that I had hot, sweaty and nasty (in a good way) sex. Book a delux room and you should be fine. Completely girlfriendly hotel and staff is nice, helpful.

LE cycree bar is bang opposite of hotel. LE cycree is amazing, I felt like a Japanese walking in bacarra Bangkok when girls start groping, rubbing their tits. I went there three nights in a row and every time I was mauled by gang of beauties. Street 130 is near too, had fun playing connect 4 at some of the bars. Cambodian girls are way less mercenaries than their Thai counterpart and great GFE.

Sweetest girls in the world + all prescription medicine available over the counter + weed pizza = l love Cambodia.

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1879217]Just came back from amazing weekend trip to PP. Stayed at LE Grand Palais, Rooms are almost as good as pics on Agoda and that is an achievement for a hotel in SE Asia. I stayed in lotus room, it is big and girls were impressed. AC is too small for room of this size and takes a while to cool down but positive aspect is that I had hot, sweaty and nasty (in a good way) sex. Book a delux room and you should be fine. Completely girlfriendly hotel and staff is nice, helpful.

LE cycree bar is bang opposite of hotel. LE cycree is amazing, I felt like a Japanese walking in bacarra Bangkok when girls start groping, rubbing their tits. I went there three nights in a row and every time I was mauled by gang of beauties. Street 130 is near too, had fun playing connect 4 at some of the bars. Cambodian girls are way less mercenaries than their Thai counterpart and great GFE.

Sweetest girls in the world + all prescription medicine available over the counter + weed pizza = l love Cambodia.[/QUOTE]I'm looking for codeine due to my knees. I kinda of wanted to stock up can I find this?

[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;1879244]I'm looking for codeine due to my knees. I kinda of wanted to stock up can I find this?[/QUOTE]Take pics or used up bottle and show it to pharmacist. I was looking for tenvir but got another generic alternative as pharmacist searched for ingredients.

I am going to PP next month, and I been searching some forums and sites about prices, and I don't really get it. Most places I see people say 15-20 USD for SH, but here I see most say plus 50 USD, and that's even more than in Thailand.

I'm addicted to 3 some so I need it cheap haha. Where is the best place for 3 some? Any special bars for bisexuals there?

[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;1879244]I'm looking for codeine due to my knees. I kinda of wanted to stock up can I find this?[/QUOTE]

Watch out for codeine preparations. They are on the restricted list (Schedule II of the 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs).

Schedule II products are only allowed for medical or scientific use but - contrary to Schedule I products - do not necessarily need a prescription, although many countries do require it and/or limit the quantity that one may carry at any one time (usually not more than needed for its intended use; hence "stocking up" is beyond that limit).

Best to check what the customs and border authority requires in all countries you pass as even with a prescription you can get in trouble when passing customs if you failed to declare or do the proper paperwork.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1879502]Watch out for codeine preparations. They are on the restricted list and even with a prescription you can get in trouble when passing customs. Without a prescription it is definitely a no-no.[/QUOTE]How about xanax? I hear they have a much cheaper brand over there other than xanax.

[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;1879508]How about xanax? I hear they have a much cheaper brand over there other than xanax.[/QUOTE]That's a bad one. Xanax (or Alprazolam as it is generically known) is a Schedule IV product on the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs schedules, i.e. it is subject to prescription and extra controls and limits. Other Schedule IV products are heroin and such.

If caught by customs with this kind of products and your paperwork is not 100% OK, you will be in really deep trouble.

[QUOTE=Jens1974;1879498]I am going to PP next month, and I been searching some forums and sites about prices, and I don't really get it. Most places I see people say 15-20 USD for SH, but here I see most say plus 50 USD, and that's even more than in Thailand.

I'm addicted to 3 some so I need it cheap haha. Where is the best place for 3 some? Any special bars for bisexuals there?[/QUOTE]Normal looking men. 40st is normal. If you negotiate good you can get lower, but I think that influences the performance and the real lookers know they can get more. I have no idea on LT I never do LT.

For threesome men girl girl should be relatively easy. In the bars you asi ik she had a friend Who can player a long. Some will be open to it. If you want a certain thing LE Cyrcee / Secrets bar. Girls there will do almost anything, all of them.

Men men girl, no idea.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1879540]That's a bad one. Xanax (or Alprazolam as it is generically known) is a Schedule IV product on the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs schedules, i.e. it is subject to prescription and extra controls and limits. Other Schedule IV products are heroin and such.

If caught by customs with this kind of products and your paperwork is not 100% OK, you will be in really deep trouble.[/QUOTE]You can but it easy after customs in tax free zone at the airport in Siam reep at the pharmacy, 17 dollars 100 pcs if I remember, 3 months ago.

[QUOTE=Jens1974;1879498]I am going to PP next month, and I been searching some forums and sites about prices, and I don't really get it. Most places I see people say 15-20 USD for SH, but here I see most say plus 50 USD, and that's even more than in Thailand.
[/QUOTE]You need to compare similar venues. Street Walkers and Walkabout girls can be cheap (maybe between $10 - $25). In Pattaya, the Beach Road SW should be between 500 to 1000 Baht.

The Cambodian hostess bar girls should be around $50 (maybe between $30 - $70). In Thailand, the girls at the bars, on the average, will be more.

The high class Cambodian FL at Naga's Darling will be at least $100. High class Thai hookers should be more.

[QUOTE=Jens1974;1879498]I'm addicted to 3 some so I need it cheap haha. Where is the best place for 3 some? Any special bars for bisexuals there?[/QUOTE]If you would have read the forum, the answer is easy: Le Crycee.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1881647]You need to compare similar venues. Street Walkers and Walkabout girls can be cheap (maybe between $10 - $25). In Pattaya, the Beach Road SW should be between 500 to 1000 Baht.

The Cambodian hostess bar girls should be around $50 (maybe between $30 - $70). In Thailand, the girls at the bars, on the average, will be more.

The high class Cambodian FL at Naga's Darling will be at least $100. High class Thai hookers should be more.

If you would have read the forum, the answer is easy: Le Crycee.[/QUOTE]Green Bud is right on the price points here as I found the average to be $50 within the beer bars on 130, 130, 104 and never really bothered to negotiate. When the girl throws out a figure of $100, I always just go to the next hottie after the obligatory Akun / smile.

I must try Naga world as I am reserving The Sun and Moon on 136 for later summer and want to bring an appropriate pool party guest!

Patts first though in July and like GB, the prices are the usual coconut bar $1000, Soi 6 dining in at 1300 and WS at 2000-6000.

I think the best value is the Patts soapies and wish PP would start an upper tier establishment as they have the inventory!

The Massa gets old as the sure bet but quality is middle of the road.

Any help would be appreciated. I have tried 2 different massage places near what Phnom on France street mentioned in this forum, no luck, no HJ available. Any recommendations would be appreciated, I am staying near what Phnom if possible. Thanks a bunch.

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1879217]Just came back from amazing weekend trip to PP. Stayed at LE Grand Palais, Rooms are almost as good as pics on Agoda and that is an achievement for a hotel in SE Asia. I stayed in lotus room, it is big and girls were impressed. AC is too small for room of this size and takes a while to cool down but positive aspect is that I had hot, sweaty and nasty (in a good way) sex. Book a delux room and you should be fine. Completely girlfriendly hotel and staff is nice, helpful.

LE cycree bar is bang opposite of hotel. LE cycree is amazing, I felt like a Japanese walking in bacarra Bangkok when girls start groping, rubbing their tits. I went there three nights in a row and every time I was mauled by gang of beauties. Street 130 is near too, had fun playing connect 4 at some of the bars. Cambodian girls are way less mercenaries than their Thai counterpart and great GFE.

Sweetest girls in the world + all prescription medicine available over the counter + weed pizza = l love Cambodia.[/QUOTE]Can you tell me where to find a good pizza?

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1881647]You need to compare similar venues. Street Walkers and Walkabout girls can be cheap (maybe between $10 - $25).[/QUOTE][URL]http://m.phnompenhpost.com/post-weekend/goodbye-phnom-penhs-sleaziest-bar[/URL]

Goodbye good old walkabout. I have many great memories of you. Many pickups, horny, weird, tiny, short, tall, flat chest, well-figured girls. I had it all. Never have payed BF in PP if I exclude ex Secret bar aka cyrcee. How much fun it was to have a beer, take a girl, fuck her brains out. Then return for few beers more and have a snack. Of course it was either hit or miss, but especially during joker draw nights there was plenty to choose from.

Good ones are all gone. Walkabout, martinis, California 2. Latter was my very first stop in Cambodia in2010. There was also the very first khmer girl I ever fucked. She was a waitress in Cali2, pretty girl who had a mole in her nose. I banged her twice and never gave any cash to her nor did she ask. I paid couple of meals, that would make total of 30 dollars or something for two.

[QUOTE=Jens1974;1879498]I am going to PP next month, and I been searching some forums and sites about prices, and I don't really get it. Most places I see people say 15-20 USD for SH, but here I see most say plus 50 USD, and that's even more than in Thailand.
[/QUOTE]I would say the current running rate is 50 USD (ST), But the girls can go down to 30 USD for ST.

I got a Darling Darling girl for 150 USD LT and she was a runner, I had given her 2 options 50 USD for the 1 shot we had done or I can give her 100 $ for 2 shots. She agreed on 2 shot option and went back with 100 USD.

I could find LT girls for 50 $ and up, generally they asked 60-70. Someone actually asked for 100 $ and I picked 2 nice girls for the same price and went home smiling at her.

[QUOTE=Paulb;1881953]Can you tell me where to find a good pizza?[/QUOTE]Riverside. Any moto can take you there if you ask for "happy pizza" . Google happy herb pizza, they can deliver to your hotel as well.

Never eat whole pizza alone. I had a happy shake at shop then was so hungry that ate whole happy pizza alone. I was greened out and worst trip of my life.

[QUOTE=Gajith;1882517]I had given her 2 options 50 USD for the 1 shot we had done or I can give her 100 $ for 2 shots. She agreed on 2 shot option and went back with 100 USD. [/QUOTE]You are over paying for sure. And it means next time I need to pay more too. Bar girls usually rush back because owners want to have as much meat on display as possible.

[QUOTE=DwayneJohnson;1882723]Riverside. Any moto can take you there if you ask for "happy pizza" [/QUOTE]Try Il Forno for authentic Italian pizza. St 302, Phnom Penh, actually I never tried PP version but Il Forno in SR is a very fine restaurant.

Guys,

I am soon landing in pp and then sihaokvilee. I am not sure about the going rates. I am talking to many girls through we chat. Now everyone of them claiming in some job ND want 100 usd for a night long company. From reports what I can make is that going rates should be around the same.

Some good Samaritan would please mind going average rates for different types pubs or so Raya mall.

[QUOTE=VaapeCamhel;1882846]You are over paying for sure. And it means next time I need to pay more too. Bar girls usually rush back because owners want to have as much meat on display as possible.

Try Il Forno for authentic Italian pizza. St 302, Phnom Penh, actually I never tried PP version but Il Forno in SR is a very fine restaurant.[/QUOTE]

Did you take those girls LT or ST and if so how much did their services cost?

[QUOTE=JD468;1824841]Just had another lovely weekend in Phnom Penh. Because I booked late I ended up at Zing hotel next to the central market. I can confirm that this is a girl friendly hotel. They just take the ID of the girl and you will get a call from reception when the girl leaves to check if everything is ok. (which I always think is a nice touch).

I just ended up doing the bars between 104 and 136 and must have been to about 15 of them. Most of them are quite nice. I like the scene in PP. So much more relaxed than Saigon.

One particularly crappy bar was Bar 136 on St 136. I was literally hounded for drinks. They must have asked 7 or 8 times within the first 5 minutes. The girls just stare at you and the only English they speak is "Buy me drink". Needless to say I was gone within half a beer.

On the other end of the spectrum is Honey Pot Bar on St 130. This place has the most comfortable bar stools, the girls are overall good looking with a few gems. They do not hassle you for drinks which is great, so it actually feels like the drinks that you offer are appreciated, not expected. And it seems that at least several of the girls do go out with customers. I managed to take out on two different nights which was great. Bar fine is a bit higher than other bars with $15 on Fri Sat, and $10 the rest of the week. I recommend this place, and will certainly be back soon.[/QUOTE]

Hey,

Just got back from PP. Couldn't find the Japanese bridge. Actually many tuk tuk were telling me not to go. Only bad girls there. First how is it from the Riverside say 136 st and anyone had any bad experience over there.

[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;1883344]Hey,

Just got back from PP. Couldn't find the Japanese bridge. Actually many tuk tuk were telling me not to go. Only bad girls there. First how is it from the Riverside say 136 st and anyone had any bad experience over there.[/QUOTE]It is roughly a 20 minutes walk, if you mean by that. But don't walk to JP bridge at night as from passing street to what Phnom the side walk might be very bad and I do not consider it as really a safe area. Never seen anything happen, but just feel uncomfortable in that dark area. During the daytime you might see a few girls, but shabby. Same as the shabby massage places you will pass. Was 5000 Riel in the old days, but I only looked inside once and took a runner.

So what time should be the best. I love the seedy girls because they really know how to party. And is it possible to bring them home to you room? You said that it was a 20 min walk but I 'm guessing with a tuk tuk its probably 10 minutes at most. Thanks for your response. In the other forums people are just flat idiots and write all kinds of shit because it makes them feel better about their low self esteem. Have you gone to what Phnom at night? How was it?

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[QUOTE=Zipperhead;1881870]Any help would be appreciated. I have tried 2 different massage places near what Phnom on France street mentioned in this forum, no luck, no HJ available. Any recommendations would be appreciated, I am staying near what Phnom if possible. Thanks a bunch.[/QUOTE]I had one in a riverfront massage place on my December trip. I don't recall exactly where it was, but it was somewhere between 110 and 130 streets (yes, I know that there's a few in that strip). From memory I'd left my undies on as I don't usually like mixing my massages and my sex stuff, but the lady asked me if I'd like to take them off. I can't remember what I paid but you can negotiate. You'll need to try a few out and see how you go. If you lie down naked, you'll be offered a HJ if they're on offer.

[QUOTE=AussieFella;1883859]I had one in a riverfront massage place on my December trip. I don't recall exactly where it was, but it was somewhere between 110 and 130 streets (yes, I know that there's a few in that strip). From memory I'd left my undies on as I don't usually like mixing my massages and my sex stuff, but the lady asked me if I'd like to take them off. I can't remember what I paid but you can negotiate. You'll need to try a few out and see how you go. If you lie down naked, you'll be offered a HJ if they're on offer.[/QUOTE]I just walk into any PP oily I may be passing and in the mood for and pick the hottest one and ask right up front if special services are on the menu. I don't have time or patience to wait until the loom. "Hello. Massaaaa Sir" = Hello Boom Boom Massa Akun!

[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;1883344]Hey,

Just got back from PP. Couldn't find the Japanese bridge. Actually many tuk tuk were telling me not to go. Only bad girls there. First how is it from the Riverside say 136 st and anyone had any bad experience over there.[/QUOTE]You can not be serious? Very easy to find.

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[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;1883841]So what time should be the best. I love the seedy girls because they really know how to party. And is it possible to bring them home to you room? You said that it was a 20 min walk but I 'm guessing with a tuk tuk its probably 10 minutes at most. Thanks for your response. In the other forums people are just flat idiots and write all kinds of shit because it makes them feel better about their low self esteem. Have you gone to what Phnom at night? How was it?

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In the future, please do not write reports in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING. [i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/QUOTE]By tuk tuk or motorbike it is less than 5 minutes. I walked there around midday and between 5-7 pm. It depends on where you are looking for but just catch a younger motorbike who might speak a few words of English. That will help. Do not let you drive anywhere else as you might end up in a local bordello where you don't want to be for obvious reasons. And that is the same reason I avoid what Phnom at night. Too risky for a setup so simply avoid the place. A walk around at 5 pm was OK until 2 years ago when you could easy catch 10-20 FL's around there. Nowadays you will hardly find one.

For a safe but more or less seedy bar, Street 102, the former Nay Nay Star, dunno the current name, with St rooms (not official) on premis. Bunny Bar in St 104 all kind of action possible on the couches in the dark backside of the bar. Or tell a girl you like to play private pool upstairs, and they will take care no one will disturb you. Same possible, sometimes, in Bar 104 same street.

[QUOTE=Titanio;1884506]By tuk tuk or motorbike it is less than 5 minutes. I walked there around midday and between 5-7 pm. It depends on where you are looking for but just catch a younger motorbike who might speak a few words of English. That will help. Do not let you drive anywhere else as you might end up in a local bordello where you don't want to be for obvious reasons. And that is the same reason I avoid what Phnom at night. Too risky for a setup so simply avoid the place. A walk around at 5 pm was OK until 2 years ago when you could easy catch 10-20 FL's around there. Nowadays you will hardly find one.

For a safe but more or less seedy bar, Street 102, the former Nay Nay Star, dunno the current name, with St rooms (not official) on premis. Bunny Bar in St 104 all kind of action possible on the couches in the dark backside of the bar. Or tell a girl you like to play private pool upstairs, and they will take care no one will disturb you. Same possible, sometimes, in Bar 104 same street.[/QUOTE]What do yo mean by to risking for a setup. They'll steal from you or schemes involving LEAS. What I want do is bring them back to my room. I really don't want to do anything there in that shanty dirty room; no offense.

Will the girls in Japaneses bridge do BJS and no condom sex? This seems to be a problem that Cambodian are reluctant to do.

[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;1884769]Will the girls in Japaneses bridge do BJS and no condom sex? This seems to be a problem that Cambodian are reluctant to do.[/QUOTE]Sir,

I would not recommend anything by the bridge to bareback regardless of what orifice! Go to bar 69 right beside the Golden Hotel place as a half dozen there do uncovered yum yum!

Can anyone share the latest top shelf spinner place where you pay for what you get $$$ other than Naga. Fiancée quality!

[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;1884769]Will the girls in Japaneses bridge do BJS and no condom sex? This seems to be a problem that Cambodian are reluctant to do.[/QUOTE]You should be aware that area is swarming with HIV. Most of those girls have been kicked out from bars.

[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;1884769]Will the girls in Japaneses bridge do BJS and no condom sex? This seems to be a problem that Cambodian are reluctant to do.[/QUOTE]Twelve years ago when I first visited PP many girls were happy to do BJ's without a condom but wanted you to promise not to cum in their mouths, however would always insist on one for full sex. Reading a lot of comments on this site I am glad that I experienced Phnom Penh in the "old days" girls were not money grabbing and drugs were not a problem. The majority of bars did not stay open all night and would often close when the last customer left and often a girl would tell you to wait for ten minutes for the bar to close then you wouldn't have to pay a bar fine. I remember meeting a gorgeous girl when I went to a KTV joint with some Khmer friends who ended up staying with me for four days until she returned to her province for a wedding and never once asked for many money.

Over the years I worked in Phnom Penh I met and slept with some lovely girls and never once was I fleeced or robbed and the only strange event was with a girl who was one of the staff at Sharky's who I was pursuing for a number of weeks who when I got her at last in my bedroom flipped when I produced a condom and accused me of treating her like a taxi girl.

[QUOTE=Riverstar;1885131]Twelve years ago when I first visited PP many girls were happy to do BJ's without a condom but wanted you to promise not to cum in their mouths, however would always insist on one for full sex. Reading a lot of comments on this site I am glad that I experienced Phnom Penh in the "old days" girls were not money grabbing and drugs were not a problem. The majority of bars did not stay open all night and would often close when the last customer left and often a girl would tell you to wait for ten minutes for the bar to close then you wouldn't have to pay a bar fine. I remember meeting a gorgeous girl when I went to a KTV joint with some Khmer friends who ended up staying with me for four days until she returned to her province for a wedding and never once asked for many money.

Over the years I worked in Phnom Penh I met and slept with some lovely girls and never once was I fleeced or robbed and the only strange event was with a girl who was one of the staff at Sharky's who I was pursuing for a number of weeks who when I got her at last in my bedroom flipped when I produced a condom and accused me of treating her like a taxi girl.[/QUOTE]Hehe. I love Phnom Penh. From my report from March: "Day 3: Went to bar in Street 104. Took a 21 year old girl from a bar late at night. Very nice, no children, perfect body. No BF, as the bar was closing. LT $ 40. " So also now you can be lucky and take a girl with no BF.

When I fuck my regular (good) girls I never use condom. If I take a bargirl I like (and get) BBBJ, but use condom when I fuck her.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1885142]Hehe. I love Phnom Penh. From my report from March: "Day 3: Went to bar in Street 104. Took a 21 year old girl from a bar late at night. Very nice, no children, perfect body. No BF, as the bar was closing. LT $ 40. " So also now you can be lucky and take a girl with no BF.

When I fuck my regular (good) girls I never use condom. If I take a bargirl I like (and get) BBBJ, but use condom when I fuck her.[/QUOTE]But how do you know your "good girls" are not fucking themselves silly with bad boys when you are with your bar girls.

I was in town (I live in SR) and was staying at Teahouse on 242. A block away is Massa, on 252. It's really nondescript on the outside, but there is a faded awning. Go up the stairs and there will be a door with "Massage" in big letters on it. They have a fishbowl of women to choose from, with numbers. Was quoted at $45 for boom-boom, but when I asked for yam-yam, she said it would be $80! What? Opted for the boom-boom, of course, and was not disappointed. Amazing body on a sweet Khmer girl. Perfect tits and breathtaking pussy. Would recommend.

In PP since last two days but not a good score. Any kind should would like to share some beers and later on hunt.

I normally don't pick up SWs in Phnom Penh, but this is what I know. Note the usual warnings: girls stealing if you leave your stuff unattended; girls not performing or leaving early. My friend runs a short time guest house. There's an incident everyday, usually with girls trying to leave early. Even the locals have trouble with the SWs.

- Wat Phnom and the Park.

A major area where the locals go. The cops clean up this place occasionally, but the girls always come back. The Park is the rectangular park that bisects Wat Phnom.

- Riverside:

I see the occasional SW along the riverside. But there aren't that many, and it's hard to tell sometimes due to the crowds that hang out there.

- Park just west of the Palace (might be called Hun Sen or Freedom Park?):

There use to be SWs there during the night. I haven't checked recently. Are they still there?

- On the street that intersects Monivong across the Asia Palace Hotel:

Several years ago, if you went on the street across the Asia Palace Hotel, and after passing local eating establishments on the sidewalk, you observed SWs hanging out. Are they still there?

- Japanese Bridge (also known as Friendship Bridge):

A few people have written about it, but I have never seen them. Those people never give any details.

There is only 1 bridge on the Phnom Penh riverside. Easy to see!

As you go north along the riverside, you should pass the local massage parlors with very ugly girls (are they still there?). You are fairly close to Wat Phnom. Then a little more drive north, you will hit the Japanese bridge. I have never explored that area. Are the SWs before, after, or near the bridge? Is this info legit?

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1885640]I normally don't pick up SWs in Phnom Penh, but this is what I know. Note the usual warnings: girls stealing if you leave your stuff unattended; girls not performing or leaving early. My friend runs a short time guest house. There's an incident everyday, usually with girls trying to leave early. Even the locals have trouble with the SWs.[/QUOTE]Yeap, you don't even need to be expert but as in any other city in the world rule of thumb applies in Phnom Penh too: The worst are street walkers, then comes bar freelancers and then bar girls. Street walkers, specially around the bridge are high on meth, ice whatever shit they use. I remember driving a tuktuk with a bar girl in 2011 that area. She was pointing out few girls that were working in her bar or others nearby before. They got kicked out after got infected with HIV. So poor girl made a mistake of telling one of her friends and end of the story for her.

My interest has always been those girls who are looking for their first big hit ( foreign boyfriend). When bar girls had one or few BF's, they're settling fast into a new living standards. For example 5 bucks for her phone will be meaningless. New girls always appreciate even small things and you can make them really happy with minimal expat / travelers budget.

Does anyone know if the Niron hotel is girl friendly?

Just back from another 3 weeks mostly in Phnom Penh in May. Given my circumstances of being with the wife, I write this report with the perspective of a keen monger with opportunity to play and explore mainly during the day, a few forays out to the bars at night with male mates on a handful of occasions.

As always, had a fun time, and went down the path of variety. Firstly, dodgy cheap massage places on Street 63, there are a good handful of places between Street 174 right up to Street 228. First place I walked in to I asked how much for massage, was quoted $5. Massage lady was probably late 30's and plain, so I thought I'll go the massage and tug option. Enter the small room and just get all my gear off, she motions for me to put my boxer shorts back on, and I ask her is hand relief offered, to which she replies $25! I laugh and go to get dressed and leave, at which point she quickly tells me the price is $10. So I hang around for and average massage and a mechanical wank-nothing spectacular at all but hey, its $10 in total. Next day I tried another place within the same vicinity, this place has a "Hot Toc" sign out front, hair cuts happening in front with massage rooms towards the back. Again I ask about massage and am quoted $5 - led to room with a younger girl, perhaps mid 20's, I ask her for massage nyum nyum. She quotes $20 all up and I'm happy with the price and away we go. Average massage, decent, well skilled BBBJ. These places are worth checking out for a quick blow and go.

Bar wise, spent a bit of time again on Street 172 as it is close to the hotel that I stay at. Best selection of girls probably Vampire Bar however I didn't barfine any girls from here. One place intrigued me, I think it is called Danny K Bar and Spa. There are a couple of girls that are damn hot, the place apparently does massage and is a bar. When I asked about the massage the girls were a bit coy and vague so I wasn't able to sample any of the girls. Would be interested to know exactly what is on offer here on premises, joked with the girls about boom boom massage and they coyly indicated not available, and again, I'm unsure if they were saying not available on premises or not available at all. Checked out a number of bars from St 172 through to Street 108. Some of the Street 136 bars were pretty dead with a boring atmosphere, girl selection below par. Best couple of bars that I would recommend at the moment would be Double D street 110, good selection of friendly and hot girls. Took one by the name of Klaa I think she called herself (Klaa is Tiger in Khmer! - sweet girl, tight body. Another bar which has been around for ten years, doesn't appear to be discussed here to often given its out of the way location is Golden Vine on Street 108 (just a left turn from walking from Street 51). Viet owned / managed with a large selection friendly bar girls, on the night I was there I reckon there was upwards of 30 girls in the bar so I'm guessing most punters should find something to their tastes. The other good thing is that there is a good split of Khmer and Viet girls, depending on your tastes both are available in good numbers.

The other means I found fruitful this trip was WeChat freelance girls. Hooked up with a couple during the afternoon. Price wise they will start off high but offer similar numbers that you would for ST in a bar (depending on your negotiation skills I would say $30 to $40 max. Depending on the hotness of the girl! One girl I met at the Smile mini mart crn street 13 and 136, off on the back of her bike we went to a close by guest house and fun fun times were had by me. I know historically this forum has made mention of both the lack of willingness and skill in Khmer girls to provide a decent BJ. Well let me tell you, this girl who I picked up, uses the WeChat name Lina, 26 years old, good figure with some fine curves, provided the most enthusiastic and skilled BBBJ I have had in Cambodia. And was happy to let me know between tongue and mouth work that she would love me to cum in her mouth. As much as I tried to hold back I let her have it and she happily accepted a nice big load. She didn't seem like she was any great hurry to leave so we sat around and played some more and then we went for pop number 2! Definitely a girl I will keep in contact and a tab on on WeChat and session her again when I am back in early 2017.

Finally, just a quick report on my smash and grab drop in to LE Cyrcee Club. Quality and number is still high, this is probably the best and lost consistent bar in PP. I mean the girls are there to fuck, so you can't fail. Sessioned a very pretty small 24 year old Anna. Walk in, swarmed by 8 girls, make my selection then across the street to the seedy guest house and 90 minutes of fun was all mine! Still would be the obvious recommendation to any new first timer to PP. Just to get the lay of the land and score your first goal for the team!

On a final note. Golden Sorya Mall seems to become sleazier and less appealing every time I come back for a visit, and I base my opinion not on the girls available, and with the closure of Walkabout this is no doubt now the hot spot for all the freelancer of Street 51, but more on the old crusty looking western men that sit around and really put on a freak show more entertaining than the ice riddled freelancers! Definitely not my scene, but each to their own, one man's junk is another's treasure.

Happy punting, DingoD.

I stayed that the De Art hotel, Street 106, in the middle of the action between 104 and 136. I paid $30 per night on Agoda. I can confirm this is a girl friendly hotel.

As usual we did a number of bars, I always end up forgetting most of the names, as they all look the same to me, and there are just so many. The first night I ended up in the Honey Pot as the last bar of the evening and took a girl out that I had met last time I was in PP. As it was 2 pm and the bar was closing, there was no bar fine. I had yet again a wonderful time and GFE was 10/10. We managed 1 shot in the evening and another 2 shots the next day. The BBBJ was absolutely excellent, but she was not keen to do CIM. (which is fine for me as I like a BBBJ as a kick start anyway) Looks wise I would say she is a 7, 27 years old, but the effort that she puts in is fantastic. I paid $70 the next day and she left happy at 2 pm.

I have a basic price structure I stick with most of the time. ST 1 shot $35, LT 2 shots $50, $15-$20 extra for every shot after that. I almost never discuss money upfront, and put the cash into their bag when they leave. Never had a problem with that and almost all girls are friendly when they see me again. I also believe that if the girl thinks it is necessary to confirm the price, then a GFE is probably not going to happen, so I just leave it.

Next night again we did a string of bars. We had a nice time in The Office, Loco and 69, eventually ending up in Xanadu. Got a girl from there with simply the best shaped ass you could imagine. I thought she was quite pretty as well 8/10, but my mate disagreed. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. I paid the $10 bar fine and we departed. Again this girl put in an excellent effort. We started a 69 during which there was no hand, just mouth action. It felt so good that I decided to let her finish me that way. What a great decision that was. CIM with at least another full minute of post cum sucking. Only when I was limp and completely dry did she regard the job as being complete. We fell asleep and the next morning without much instigation from my side she started sucking again. This time I just had a few minutes of it and then I started to fuck her. She took it like a champ and I finished doggy. About 45 minutes after (she was not in a rush) she politely asked if it was ok for her to go, which I agreed to. $50 in her bag and she left with a smile on her face.

I know many guys complain about not getting a good BBBJ in Cambodia, but this just isn't my experience. I am happy with at least 60% of the girls that I have taken home over the years. Sure, the ratio is lower than in Vietnam where a BBBJ is considered an integral part of having sex. But you can most certainly find a good BBBJ in Cambodia as well.

The 3rd night I made some basic mistakes. After a day of drinking I had fallen asleep in my hotel room and only managed to come out at midnight. I went to Loco where an incredibly hot female punter was getting my attention, even though there were some nice staff members as well. As the hot punter did not respond to my advances I decided to move on to Xanadu where I was planning to BF the same girl I had the day before. As it was getting late she was no longer there. Then I moved to Candy bar. I think this bar is crap even in the early evening, but at 3 am it is really crap. However, as bars start to thin out you need to go somewhere. Spend some time drinking and then finally saw something I liked. I asked to bar fine her to which she responded, $100 two hours. Though she was nice enough, she was definitely not in the $100 league. I laughed and walked out. By now it was 4 am, and I called it a night. Home alone in PP, I felt I wasted the night and should have bar fined a good looking Loco girl. Live and learn I guess.

The next morning I felt I had to make up for last night and had a massage at Lotus Spa, 131 Sisowath Quay. That was a big mistake. Seriously guys, stay away from this place, it is hopeless. The massage was absolute rubbish and the HJ was so bad I had to take her hand and actually guide it. Even though she was about 32 years old, she had absolutely no idea. One of the worst HJ I have had in a very long time. I was thinking about tipping nothing, it was that bad. I did however tip $10 (I am just too nice in these situations) at which she scolded. She said $20 minimum at which I laughed and I proceeded to walk down. They charged me $10 for what was a 50 minutes "massage". Total damage $20, which is was just not worth.

Now here is a question for some of the guys living in PP. I generally have great nights in PP, but I always find the days to be tediously boring. Where can I find girls in the daytime? Any recommendations are appreciated.

Thanks.

JD.

Has anyone ever blasted inside this heavenly specimen? She looks hot, got a really good ass and huge boobs. She's the owner of Rose Bar. I found her on Facebook a while ago. Anyway, has anyone ever banged her? How was it?

[QUOTE=BlueVelvet2;1888101]Has anyone ever blasted inside this heavenly specimen? She looks hot, got a really good ass and huge boobs. She's the owner of Rose Bar. I found her on Facebook a while ago. Anyway, has anyone ever banged her? How was it?[/QUOTE]She looks manly!

[QUOTE=LoungeDog45;1888309]She looks manly![/QUOTE]Haha yea, you could mistake her for a ladyboy by looking at her face, but what an amazing ass. But no I am pretty sure she's a real woman, otherwise I would have figured it out from her Facebook page by now.

[QUOTE=BlueVelvet2;1888526]Haha yea, you could mistake her for a ladyboy by looking at her face, but what an amazing ass. But no I am pretty sure she's a real woman, otherwise I would have figured it out from her Facebook page by now.[/QUOTE]Well good luck hope it ends well for you.

[QUOTE=MrHydePhd;1885596]I was in town (I live in SR) and was staying at Teahouse on 242. A block away is Massa, on 252. It's really nondescript on the outside, but there is a faded awning. Go up the stairs and there will be a door with "Massage" in big letters on it. They have a fishbowl of women to choose from, with numbers. Was quoted at $45 for boom-boom, but when I asked for yam-yam, she said it would be $80! What? Opted for the boom-boom, of course, and was not disappointed. Amazing body on a sweet Khmer girl. Perfect tits and breathtaking pussy. Would recommend.[/QUOTE]Honestly, when I read such prices I want to make a face palm.

In a country with a minimum monthly wage between 60 and 80 $ and a good salary 150-180 $, you pay for a day 45 $?

No need to be a cheep stake, but having some brain activity would help.

It is like going to a Macdonalds, and paying them the triple price for a burger, and in the end you even leave some money for tee.

[QUOTE=SoulBrother;1892765]Honestly, when I read such prices I want to make a face palm.

In a country with a minimum monthly wage between 60 and 80 $ and a good salary 150-180 $, you pay for a day 45 $?

No need to be a cheep stake, but having some brain activity would help.

It is like going to a Macdonalds, and paying them the triple price for a burger, and in the end you even leave some money for tee.[/QUOTE]I was there a couple of years ago and never paid more than $20.00 for ST. Some guys may be from countries that are expensive and hence overpaying the WGs. I used to $5.00 for a legit massage and no boom boom.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1892805]I was there a couple of years ago and never paid more than $20.00 for ST. Some guys may be from countries that are expensive and hence overpaying the WGs. I used to $5.00 for a legit massage and no boom boom.[/QUOTE]Its getting more expensive there as it is in your home country also. Back in 2010 girls had the most simplest Nokia phones. Now every girl, FL, bargirl, cashier, hair dresser, receptionist they all have Iphones. Yes they are getting more greedy.

Small rooms girls are renting (usually sharing with others) are still around 50 us per month. Gasoline is more expensive, but only few hundred rails more. Barang food is bit more expensive but girls only eat rice anyway. You (we) are paying their higher lifestyle.

[QUOTE=VaapeCamhel;1893053]Its getting more expensive there as it is in your home country also. Back in 2010 girls had the most simplest Nokia phones. Now every girl, FL, bargirl, cashier, hair dresser, receptionist they all have Iphones. Yes they are getting more greedy.

Small rooms girls are renting (usually sharing with others) are still around 50 us per month. Gasoline is more expensive, but only few hundred rails more. Barang food is bit more expensive but girls only eat rice anyway. You (we) are paying their higher lifestyle.[/QUOTE]Can you blame the girls for wanting a better lifestyle also despite selling their bodies many girls have standards and set a minimum they will go for. A lot can also depend on the attitude of the customer, a lot of girls are happy to drop their price for regular customers who don't treat them a merely sex objects but more of a friend especially if the girl thinks that they are possibly long term boyfriends.

[QUOTE=Riverstar;1893298]Can you blame the girls for wanting a better lifestyle also despite selling their bodies many girls have standards and set a minimum they will go for. A lot can also depend on the attitude of the customer, a lot of girls are happy to drop their price for regular customers who don't treat them a merely sex objects but more of a friend especially if the girl thinks that they are possibly long term boyfriends.[/QUOTE]Well yes you are right, I can't blame them for that, but I can blame those who pay such amount.

It starts to be more expensive not because they set a minimum standart for themself, but because more people go there and some of them pay 45 or 100 $.

It is just ridiculous, when yo go to a country where the majority of people lives on 1-2 $ per day, and you have to pay westerner price for sex.

Like I said, you don't buy a Hamburger from Macdonalds for 100 $ if it says that it costs only 5 $, so why would you do that to women?

[QUOTE=SoulBrother;1893648]Well yes you are right, I can't blame them for that, but I can blame those who pay such amount.

It starts to be more expensive not because they set a minimum standart for themself, but because more people go there and some of them pay 45 or 100 $.

It is just ridiculous, when yo go to a country where the majority of people lives on 1-2 $ per day, and you have to pay westerner price for sex.

Like I said, you don't buy a Hamburger from Macdonalds for 100 $ if it says that it costs only 5 $, so why would you do that to women?[/QUOTE]So true, but if they do not come down with their price, what can you do? Go mongering during last 10 days of the month, you might have better luck when a lot of girls ran out of money an 30 dollar is better than nothing by the end of month when rent for room must be paid.

[QUOTE=Titanio;1894030]So true, but if they do not come down with their price, what can you do? Go mongering during last 10 days of the month, you might have better luck when a lot of girls ran out of money an 30 dollar is better than nothing by the end of month when rent for room must be paid.[/QUOTE]Simple, you just go look for other girls.

The majority of girls aren't top models there, by that I mean that the average girl you going to pick is not going to be a 10, but a 7 normally.

So you could for sure find another one in half an hour, with a lower price.

I can understand when people pay 100 $ for a 10 girl, which is not so easy to find, so yeah, in this case you are paying for quality.

But when you are going to a bar with averages, and most of them begin to demand "quality price" that is not normal.

I mean if you go to Korea, Hong Kong and etc, you can pick a 9-10 easily for that price, so what's the point to pay same money for lower quality if you can find cheaper?

[QUOTE=SoulBrother;1893648]Well yes you are right, I can't blame them for that, but I can blame those who pay such amount.

It starts to be more expensive not because they set a minimum standart for themself, but because more people go there and some of them pay 45 or 100 $.

It is just ridiculous, when yo go to a country where the majority of people lives on 1-2 $ per day, and you have to pay westerner price for sex.

Like I said, you don't buy a Hamburger from Macdonalds for 100 $ if it says that it costs only 5 $, so why would you do that to women?[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more.

I have been saying that many times and got flamed by the same guys who justify themselves by paying more probably to satisfy their big ego and their small dick.

Cambodia was a paradise years ago when P4P was cheap.

I didn't care if the service was good or not when I was paying 3 or 5 $ for a shag with a girl with a firm body.

Nowadays I m sorry if a girl ask for 20 $ for a 20 mn shag I m not interested because I know I won't get satisfied anyway specially if it s the same girl than 10 years ago with 2 children now and stretchmarks all over.

Like you said if by increasing the service you would increase the quality of service it would be fine but it is usually the opposite.

It isn't NGO who fucked up Cambodia sex scene it s stupid mongers who agree to whatever girls say and act like pussy.

Men are not men anymore.

A girl doesn't decide how much I pay I do.

She doesn't like my price so what? I look for another one.

If every guy was doing like that the prices would have stayed low in Cambodia.

These days everybody who pays 50 $ or more a ST is a complete moron IMHO.

[QUOTE=SoulBrother;1893648]Well yes you are right, I can't blame them for that, but I can blame those who pay such amount.

It starts to be more expensive not because they set a minimum standart for themself, but because more people go there and some of them pay 45 or 100 $.

It is just ridiculous, when yo go to a country where the majority of people lives on 1-2 $ per day, and you have to pay westerner price for sex.

Like I said, you don't buy a Hamburger from Macdonalds for 100 $ if it says that it costs only 5 $, so why would you do that to women?[/QUOTE]Usually I talk a bit with the girl first. Buy a drink and a ladydrink. Then I ask if she would go with me. If she says yes (almost all do) I tell her what I want and what I would pay her. On my last trip to PP I asked 4 girls. All said yes and all accepted the amount as I offered.

From my report:

Day 1: Took a FL girl from Sorya Mall. Only 19 years old, no children. Sweet, totally GFE. LT $ 20.

Day 2: Took a massage on France Street (between what Prom and Japanese Bridge). She asked if I wanted extra. I wanted, but only in my room. She was off duty at 11 pm and came to my hotel. 28 years old, one baby but a good body. LT, $ 30.

Day 3: Went to bar in Street 104. Took a 21 year old girl from a bar late at night. Very nice, no children, perfect body. No BF, as the bar was closing. LT $ 40.

Day 4: Went to bar in Street 130. Took a 26 year old girl from Loco my last night alone. Very sweet girl and with a good body. BF $ 15. LT $ 40.

I had 4 days with beautiful women. No one refused to go with me. What more could a man ask for. A total of $ 155 plus drinks and a few lady drinks.

I will be in PP for the next 3 nights. PM me if you would care to meet and exchange experiences. Not that I have any experiences from here -yet. Cheers.

I just bought 4 100 MG viagra pills at a local gas station. No prescription needed. Price: 2. 10 USD. AMAZING. Vent to the fishbowl on 252'nd street last night. The massage was really crap. But the girl was cute and she got pretty wet. Damage 10 usd for the non-existing massage and 35 for the boom boom. She wanted 50 to begin with. Had a 5 dollar 1 hour massage today. So good to get into the cool aircon room. Massage was ok but not fantastic. She tried very hard to upsell a handjob for 30 but would not go lower than 20. So I only got the massage and the teasing associated with her upselling efforts. I read about the Sway Pak chicken farms just outside PP. Does anyone know if it is still possible to go. If so where is it exactly? Could someone please advice. Cheers.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1894254]Usually I talk a bit with the girl first. Buy a drink and a ladydrink. Then I ask if she would go with me. If she says yes (almost all do) I tell her what I want and what I would pay her. On my last trip to PP I asked 4 girls. All said yes and all accepted the amount as I offered.

From my report:

Day 1: Took a FL girl from Sorya Mall. Only 19 years old, no children. Sweet, totally GFE. LT $ 20.

Day 2: Took a massage on France Street (between what Prom and Japanese Bridge). She asked if I wanted extra. I wanted, but only in my room. She was off duty at 11 pm and came to my hotel. 28 years old, one baby but a good body. LT, $ 30.

Day 3: Went to bar in Street 104. Took a 21 year old girl from a bar late at night. Very nice, no children, perfect body. No BF, as the bar was closing. LT $ 40.

Day 4: Went to bar in Street 130. Took a 26 year old girl from Loco my last night alone. Very sweet girl and with a good body. BF $ 15. LT $ 40.

I had 4 days with beautiful women. No one refused to go with me. What more could a man ask for. A total of $ 155 plus drinks and a few lady drinks.[/QUOTE]Well a man could ask a discount on that price, like paying 75 $ instead of 155 for same girls and services.

The economy of Cambodia did't become suddenly wealthier over the last decade right?

So if women went with men for 10-20 $ previously and now start to ask for 40+$ then it is obviously not because they gained other alternatives thanks to better economy and salary, but because for some unknown reason visitors began to overpay them.

As a westerner you are not going to go broke just because you have to pay 20 $ more now, but that is not the problem I was talking about.

The problem is that in another 5 years, you will pay them 60 then 80 then 100 $, because the price will go up due the men who think with their balls and not their brain.

Let's be honest, somebody who goes to Asia usually goes there for the cheap sex and good looking women, the keyword here is "cheap".

So why for the universe, do you pay them 40 $?

The excuses ala "I wanted to feed their family, help the blah blah" don't work, for that you could just go to church and donate some money without having sex with them.

Since obviously the majority of us is not for the charity there, but are paying for the service, then why do you overpay for something when you can get it cheaper?

When you go to a Market you are not paying them the triple price for their bread, you are not paying the triple price for your barber.

But for some unknown reason, some men when they get to a poor country begin to trow money all other them around, destroying the scene for everyone and themselves in first place.

[QUOTE=SoulBrother;1896760]The economy of Cambodia did't become suddenly wealthier over the last decade right?[/QUOTE]It's become hugely wealthier. Prices are up for everything.

It's still possible to bottom-feed but let's face it, if you want a good girl in PP you're generally going to have to pay almost as much as you would in, say, Pattaya. Personally I still think it's worth it, but the days of really cheap SE Asian mongering are pretty much over.

[QUOTE=Betong;1896803]It's become hugely wealthier. Prices are up for everything.

It's still possible to bottom-feed but let's face it, if you want a good girl in PP you're generally going to have to pay almost as much as you would in, say, Pattaya. Personally I still think it's worth it, but the days of really cheap SE Asian mongering are pretty much over.[/QUOTE]Agree with you 100% mate-having personally been a very frequent traveller to Cambodia for the past ten years I can confirm that prices on most all goods have risen virtually in line with the developed western economies that the majority of us dirty mongers come from!

I would give about as much time and creedance to Soul Brothers post as I would to the yaba and ice riddled working girls that fall within his apparent budget of $10 a go, most likely Golden Sorya Mall level.

The talk of prices is a well trodden road that ultimately is a waste of time, as within reason, it's all subjective depending on individuals circumstances, be that financial, situational, experience and so on and so forth-the variables are great.

Ultimately, calling out people for an apparent overpayment of 10 or 20 bucks is just a complete waste of forum space.

Happy punting.

DingoD.

[QUOTE=SoulBrother;1892765]Honestly, when I read such prices I want to make a face palm.

In a country with a minimum monthly wage between 60 and 80 $ and a good salary 150-180 $, you pay for a day 45 $?

No need to be a cheep stake, but having some brain activity would help.

It is like going to a Macdonalds, and paying them the triple price for a burger, and in the end you even leave some money for tee.[/QUOTE]Here we go again!

Clue #1 this is not MacDonalds!

Clue #2 minimum wage has nothing to do with the price of poon!

Clue #3 inflation has nothing to do with the increasing price of poon!

The pricing debate comes up eternally. What is really not understood enough is the bad dynamic of the price war. Before, lets say ten years ago still the prices were hardly mentioned, usually fixed the girls paid afterwards without being consulted. A tip of a dollar or two meant something. The girls in order to survive tried to get more repeat customers by giving good service. GFE. Some mongers were not happy with that they tried to get more personal leverage by throwing more money at the girls. It worked. But the girls learned that there is another way to make more, rather than give good service learn to gouge. There goes the service. Now in many places like the girls are not interested in going with you rather just extract money from you at the bar instead. And if they go out with you they are in a hurry to go back there.

Hello all,

I am visiting Phnom Penh in the first week of July /16. I have 2 full days here, I am willing to explore everything the place can offer me. Request members to share me with contacts, places and fantasies that are available in this place.

[QUOTE=SoulBrother;1896760]Well a man could ask a discount on that price, like paying 75 $ instead of 155 for same girls and services.

The economy of Cambodia did't become suddenly wealthier over the last decade right?

So if women went with men for 10-20 $ previously and now start to ask for 40+$ then it is obviously not because they gained other alternatives thanks to better economy and salary, but because for some unknown reason visitors began to overpay them.

As a westerner you are not going to go broke just because you have to pay 20 $ more now, but that is not the problem I was talking about..[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1896862]Here we go again!
Clue #1 this is not MacDonalds!
Clue #2 minimum wage has nothing to do with the price of poon!
Clue #3 inflation has nothing to do with the increasing price of poon![/QUOTE]Yes! The law of supply and demand applies here like everywhere else. Think about it yourself. Martini's gone, so is good old walkabout. Sharky's isn't anywhere near what it used to be some years ago. Bars choose their girls more carefully, means not every wacko from walkabout will have a change. Nor will freelancers adapt to work in a bar. Budget girls can be found from golden sorya. Japanese bridge hosts leftover (closer to expiry date packets) meat for super stingy.

I haven't been in PP for a while but the scene has changed a lot. Before you had three big establishments with 30 od girls each, now you need to souffle between small bars.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1896862]Here we go again!

Clue #1 this is not MacDonalds!

Clue #2 minimum wage has nothing to do with the price of poon!

Clue #3 inflation has nothing to do with the increasing price of poon![/QUOTE]Nonsense!

Demand sets the price, and the price sets the demand, that is a basic rule of Macro Economy on a free market.

Inflation is influenced rather by surplus of money or goods, while there is a lack of money or goods on other side.

Cambodia didn't became suddenly a next Singapore, and their people didn't become suddenly more educated, so the inflation and price is not set by the rise of their economy and income.

But what happened is that more of westerners came to Cambodia, and started to trow money around themselves, which did push the prices up.

If some idiot comes to a country, and pays them for 3 days a monthly wage, why would the other girls then demand less?

I ask these questions just out off curiosity, for me it makes absolutely no sense, you just [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in the pond and destroy the environment for everyone with such actions.

[QUOTE=DingoD;1896846]Agree with you 100% mate-having personally been a very frequent traveller to Cambodia for the past ten years I can confirm that prices on most all goods have risen virtually in line with the developed western economies that the majority of us dirty mongers come from!

I would give about as much time and creedance to Soul Brothers post as I would to the yaba and ice riddled working girls that fall within his apparent budget of $10 a go, most likely Golden Sorya Mall level.

The talk of prices is a well trodden road that ultimately is a waste of time, as within reason, it's all subjective depending on individuals circumstances, be that financial, situational, experience and so on and so forth-the variables are great.

Ultimately, calling out people for an apparent overpayment of 10 or 20 bucks is just a complete waste of forum space.

Happy punting.

DingoD.[/QUOTE]Well first of all mate, you don't know my financial status right?

Obviously I am not a dirt rich Punter, who drives Ferrari to his Villa, otherwise I would not waist my time in this place, whining about prices for vagina.

But I am also not some skank who scraps his cents out of pocket, in hope to get enough for a beer in Cambodia, like you portrayed me here.

As I said, none of us will go broke for paying 40 $ instead of 20 $ for a girl, but in 3-5 years you will be paying for same girl 100 $.

And all thanks to Macho el Pacho type of Punters, who act illogical, just look how those Koreans and Japanese fucked up scene, and you will get the idea.

In Korea a hooker will cost you about 80-100 $, and that is 5-7% of the average salary in Korea, for that you get often a model type girls.

In Cambodia, when you pay 40 $ it is between 30-40% of their average salary, and you get mediocre chicks.

So you have a 30% Difference in Profit, do you want me really to believe that in past 5 years, Cambodia raised economy by 30%?

The reason why I ask why the heck you overpay, is not to "waist the space on the forum", the forum is for the communication and information exchange in first place.

And that is what I am using it for, by saying that some members are illogical and that they are overpaying for the sex.

[QUOTE=SoulBrother;1897149]Well first of all mate, you don't know my financial status right?

Obviously I am not a dirt rich Punter, who drives Ferrari to his Villa, otherwise I would not waist my time in this place, whining about prices for vagina.

But I am also not some skank who scraps his cents out of pocket, in hope to get enough for a beer in Cambodia, like you portrayed me here.

As I said, none of us will go broke for paying 40 $ instead of 20 $ for a girl, but in 3-5 years you will be paying for same girl 100 $.

And all thanks to Macho el Pacho type of Punters, who act illogical, just look how those Koreans and Japanese fucked up scene, and you will get the idea.

In Korea a hooker will cost you about 80-100 $, and that is 5-7% of the average salary in Korea, for that you get often a model type girls.

In Cambodia, when you pay 40 $ it is between 30-40% of their average salary, and you get mediocre chicks.

So you have a 30% Difference in Profit, do you want me really to believe that in past 5 years, Cambodia raised economy by 30%?

The reason why I ask why the heck you overpay, is not to "waist the space on the forum", the forum is for the communication and information exchange in first place.

And that is what I am using it for, by saying that some members are illogical and that they are overpaying for the sex.[/QUOTE]6 posts and all the same pricing debate dribble-move on and try posting some actual information not your ill informed opinionated trash!

[QUOTE=DingoD;1897254]6 posts and all the same pricing debate dribble-move on and try posting some actual information not your ill informed opinionated trash![/QUOTE]I agre with you DingoD.

Soul Brother speak as an expert, but it is evident that he does not know Cambodia very well.

Soul Brother, do your homework before you write here. Write better about your experiences in Cambodia, where have you been, whom you have boom-boom with and what you paid.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1897342]I agre with you DingoD.

Soul Brother speak as an expert, but it is evident that he does not know Cambodia very well.

Soul Brother, do your homework before you write here. Write better about your experiences in Cambodia, where have you been, whom you have boom-boom with and what you paid.[/QUOTE]That is an unpleasant comment, my dear friend. In my vision SoulBrother is right. Prices in PP increased way more over the last ten years than anywhere else in SE Asia.

Up to 5 years ago, it was a quite common 30-20-10 dollar rule. 30 for LT, no BJ was - 10, shower and dress after 1st round was. Another 10 and with just 1 dollar motorbike tip a girl walked out often with just 11 dollar. Talking now about Street 104 bars, excluding Rose Bar where the girls pretended to be more upscale than all other bars. And never any issue the day after when you returned to the same bar. Also the time of all the Viet girls in Walkabout, 15 dollar ST. And ST up to 2 hours. OK when you paid 10.

They would ask for 15 but then you added 1 as tip for motorbike. Virtually no questions.

I still like Cambodia, PP and SHV but to get a girl with reasonable looks for LT will simply cost at least double and because nowadays they make more from LD's than years ago, they are not so willing to leave around midnight, what is about my time for horizontal activities. Therefore I love places like Udon Thani where there is a strict bar close at midnight.

[QUOTE=DingoD;1897254]6 posts and all the same pricing debate dribble-move on and try posting some actual information not your ill informed opinionated trash![/QUOTE]Maybe it would be easier if these economic wizards can just post graphs and pie charts. It would still be useless other than for mental master bate tion!

Price of pussy has no correlation to anything other than current supply and demand.

Yesterday's prices has nothing to do with today's or tomorrow's prices.

[QUOTE=DingoD;1897254]6 posts and all the same pricing debate dribble-move on and try posting some actual information not your ill informed opinionated trash![/QUOTE]Not much information out of you either as a quick check of your posts shows you have questions, lots.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1899739]Not much information out of you either as a quick check of your posts shows you have questions, lots.[/QUOTE]Glad you are all over my posts detective. Yes I have a modest 60 posts and yes I've asked questions, I'll leave it too your fine detective skills to crunch the numbers but I'm pretty sure anyone with a brain will note it's a far heavier weighting of actual information as compared to question, but again, if anyone really cares I'm sure they would be smart enough to work that out.

Let's step out of the spotlight with this inane discussion and let others who want to post useful information have a crack.

So had a little wonder outside the hotel and have been using WeChat, no luck yet. Went to go and find st136 and walked past the palace. Went into the Lemon Bar on St136 and it was not very good. Walked on down to Candy Bar and was impressed. Heading back there tonight. Any suggestions are welcome.

[QUOTE=Cambodia2016;1900566]Any suggestions are welcome.[/QUOTE]Loco Bar, expat owner, girls aren't pushy, YMMV -- not all girls can be bar fined, so ask ahead of time.

For quickie, Secret Bar (Cyrcee http://www.cyrcee.com/) and bring condom as they charge $5 each.

I just spent the better part of two weeks in Phnom Penh, and I'm sorry to say that I didn't spend a lot of time in girl bars. In fact, I only took one bar girl home the whole time. Khmer girls are hot and awesome, and I've got some charisma so I managed to get a couple of nice girls without any P4P.

My experience with girl bars and bar girls, however, are as follows: the night I landed it was kinda late when I got in so I passed out and woke up around midnight. I decided to head to Candy Bar. It was a Wednesday night, so I instantly got swarmed by girls; there were something like 7-8 girls all trying to rub my shoulders and get me to grope them. Of course they were trying to get me to buy them drinks (which I did) and play games with them (which I did). This went on for probably over an hour, maybe two. I know because my clothes smelled like cigarettes when I left, and I don't smoke. Anyway, I decided to take one of the girls home (cute, looked 19-21, nice thighs and ass, but when she pulled her tits out they looked a little deflated. Which was a small mystery because I didn't see a ton of stretchmarks, though there were a little, and I didn't see a cesarean section scar but her pussy was nice and tight), and I paid for her barfine and all the girl drinks and it came to a grand total of $41. I gave the girl $25 for our ST romp. It was basically a quickie, not a 2 round ST stay. She tried to upsell me, but I was not about to be swindled.

I popped my head into a few other girl bars, but I didn't take any other girls home. There was a girl with a nice rack in Angry Birds, but when I realized they were fake I lost interest. There was a really cute young number in Peaches, but she doesn't go with customers. Buyer beware. That thing all the other gents are saying about "make sure the girl will leave with you" is absolutely true; I was so disappointed. Fortunately I figured that out before I bought more than one drink. There were literally no other attractive girls in the joint; stay away from Peaches.

The place I got dragged into more than once by the girls outside was Heartbreak. It's a karaoke bar that they can make into a smallish dance club if they or you feel so inclined. You can smoke weed in there; it's the only girl bar that allows it that I was able to find. Anyway, the first night I paid a little over $20 in lady drinks and didn't take any girls home despite several advances from a few girls. The second time I went in, they totally screwed me. After 3 rounds of drinks (the third of which I didn't want at all, and insisted that only 3 girls got drinks for. Which of course they billed me for 6) the total with no barfines came out to be $66! WTF! Needless to say I was very disappointed. They even tried to sell me marked-up weed. If you happen to go to Heartbreak and see a girl you like, barfine her ass and leave; don't pay stupid prices for lady drinks like I did. Maybe don't buy lady drinks for the whole bar either.

Lineup at 16:30 today was OK. All the chicks were light skin so I threw out the Viet / Khmer notion. The two youngest / cutest girls were walking out of fishbowl as I was walking in. The best looking remaining girl wasn't trying to get my attention. Place is overpriced and if I had scored the top 2 cuties I would have settled for $10 normal and no more than $20 yam yam. I wasn't spending over $30 to partake.

Hello:

In the recent threads I have not seen any information or at least not very much on freelancers in NP or Cambodia in general. Any information on this scene, locations, prices, etc. Would be greatly appreciated as I am contemplating making a side trip to Cambodia during my upcoming Thailand trip. Thanks! .

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;1905587]Hello:

In the recent threads I have not seen any information or at least not very much on freelancers in NP or Cambodia in general. Any information on this scene, locations, prices, etc. Would be greatly appreciated as I am contemplating making a side trip to Cambodia during my upcoming Thailand trip. Thanks! .[/QUOTE]Soraya mall (area 51) all day has around 12 ladies. Mostly spinners 20-35 years old. Near top bars Heart of Darkness and Pontoon. Pontoon let me in free last night but wanted $8 tonight. I passed since I can get massage for $10.

Negotiations usually start at $20 usd unless chick is desperate, skanky, or grannies.

Its 4 am and the late night overflow from Patoon didn't materialize at the next door mall. Chicks who work the mall solely start throwing in the towel after 2:30 AM. Last call for pussy?! PP isn't for the picky.

Apparently there is a late night dance spot in Soraya called G Pub with roughly 15 ladies shaking what their mamma gave them. Report logged 7/10 5 AM.

[QUOTE=Cool;1905659]Negotiations usually start at $20 usd unless chick is desperate, skanky, or grannies.[/QUOTE]Or if you had them already. Sometimes they come up to me for st and whisper '10 $' into my ear.

Later they ask for more. If they were good I give them 12 .

Hi,

I was hoping to get a lead on some attractive gals I went into golden vine saw a few just OK gals nothing really great, the type I'm looking for are like Anin who works at Oscar bar on st 104 but she told me she doesn't barfine her best friend Amin is OK but I prefer the look of Anin.

Thanks for any leads.

[QUOTE=AussieFella;1870677]... I went back to Cyrcee two nights ago and took two girls across the road. $20 in BF and $50 to the girls ($25 each). Pretty good value!...[/QUOTE]I plan on visiting PP for the first time in August and staying at the LE Grand Palais Boutique Hotel which is just across from Cyrcee.

Can you bring the girls from Cyrcee to your hotel OR do they require you to use the place "across the road"?

[QUOTE=Caramello777;1909181]...Can you bring the girls from Cyrcee to your hotel OR do they require you to use the place "across the road"?[/QUOTE]I took 2 girls from Cyrcee to my hotel, for a 3-some. I don't remember paying extra.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1909279]I took 2 girls from Cyrcee to my hotel, for a 3-some. I don't remember paying extra.[/QUOTE]I can confirm that also The last two times I was there the girls both offered to join me overnight at my hotel. Either one or both. This was after I'd just spent the hour switching lanes with them at the guest house across the street. First time I was so spent it didn't seem worth it. Second time I bit and was glad I did. Energizer bunnies, these two. I seem to recall it was $60 total and they were happy to spend the night and they both outlasted me. And I gave it my all.

BB.

[QUOTE=BrnBeck;1912768]I can confirm that also The last two times I was there the girls both offered to join me overnight at my hotel. Either one or both. This was after I'd just spent the hour switching lanes with them at the guest house across the street. First time I was so spent it didn't seem worth it. Second time I bit and was glad I did. Energizer bunnies, these two. I seem to recall it was $60 total and they were happy to spend the night and they both outlasted me. And I gave it my all.

BB.[/QUOTE]I am there in a week and a half I can't wait to check out the clubs thanks to everyone who has reported. Makes it easier to know where to go and what prices to pay. It has been a valuable source if intel.

This report is pretty thin on details and might be read as an advertisement for LE Cyrcee. It's not an advertisement, but definitely an endorsement. I was in Cambodia on business and wasn't really free to wander the bars, and bringing a companion back to my hotel wasn't an option. Also, scads of years ago when I visited Phnom Penh, I was free to roam and never got around to visiting the Secret Club. Anyway, I worked (yes, worked) through the weekend and decided to hit Cyrcee on a very rainy Sunday night about two weeks ago. The place is easy to find if you know where to go, and I had made a daylight trip over to central market for the sole purpose of reconnaissance.

I walked in about 8:00 pm And thought I had died and gone to heaven. First, there was a whole bar full of pretty women. You can quibble about what "pretty" means and first impressions are sometimes misleading, but the visual impact was a whole bar full of pretty women. Next, the ladies all gave a loud cheer when I came in. WTF? TTG's entrance doesn't produce the sense of shock and awe that was common in my youth, and it took me a few seconds to realize I was the first customer to come through the door that night. (Remember, it was raining, and raining hard.) I pushed yes, pushed my way to the bar with women all over me, literally, and ordered a scotch.

Once I sat down, some sort of order was restored. I think the ladies have some sort of hierarchy, and about 4 of them stayed with me at the bar for a bit. Once I asked one girl her name and bought her a drink, the others disappeared not really: they retreated to the seats around the bar. I finished my scotch and settled the bill. She asked if I wanted a 3-some (no)(I think the girls are required to ask) and we talked money for about 10 seconds before we left for the short-time hotel almost exactly across the street. The room cost was $5.

In the room, we undressed she had a very nice body. She was an accomplished and enthusiastic bed-mate. Lots of play and no hurry to finish. One shot and done, however. The third night, my choice was actually borderline voluptuous not often seen in SE Asia, in my experience, outside of Indonesia.

I visited 3 nights and the routine was pretty much the same each night, except for the hoo-rah when I entered the bar. Oddly the bar bill was exactly the same ($18) each night, whether I ordered a pretty good single malt or Johnny Walker. I have no idea whether or not a bar fine was included in the $18.

Two out of three nights I was asked if I had a condom (yes, always). Every night I was asked if I wanted a 3-some.

Each of the three girls told me flat out that more than one shot is possible for repeat customers. If I had another night I would have tested this claim with lady number 3. She had a something-else-again body.

The short-time room was tolerable, but just barely. Someone has mentioned (below) that the girls will come to the customer's room. I'm not sure that is worth it for short time, but to each his own.

The website for LE Cyrcee (www dot cyree dot com) has a few pictures that give a pretty accurate picture of the looks / quality, but there were many more ladies in the bar than are shown on the website. (I'm not sure of Jackson's protocols for listing other websites!

Firstly about the website TTG misspell it try Cyrcee rather than Cyree. As for my own experience, pretty much like what TTG wrote only I wasn't very impressed with the gals, my costs AT the bar was 10+3.5+2.5=16+tip.

There was two gals I think were attractive a slim gal that was always playing with her phone and a plumper innocent looking one named Lin or something like that. I made the mistake of following the advice of a pp senior and not discussing price pretending I was regular customer. I actually have been to LE Cyrcee 4-5 times starting in 09, but never took any girl. Anyway I took her back to my hotel on st51 without any probs and service wise I couldn't complain, the issue was the body, she had saggy breast for a 21 yr old given that's she had a baby last year, makeup off and in the light she definitely wasn't as cute as I originally thought. Anyway time to leave and I handed her 25 dollars as was suggested by posters. Nope she refused telling me that it was 40 blah blah anyway I wasn't going to make a big issue over that but I wasn't going to roll over and die, I told her this wasn't my first rodeo and handed over a extra 5 so a grand total of 30 dollars for short time. So the total costs for this was 45 dollars incl barfine, considering what I can get for 45 dollars elsewhere in Asia, and the fact that I got some young never been pregnant girls for some starfish sex for 10 dollars in Phenon Phen. I'm my personal experience given that I'm more into looks than service and don't mind adventure fucking, I personally would prefer 4 adventure fucks with younger and prettier gals tho def less service, than what I experienced from Ly Cyrcee. My two cents. The take home message is definitely clarify the price before taking the gals back to the hotel. BTW I asked a few of LT was possible they said no (the ones I liked) but some of the older once came over and offered LT to me.

[QUOTE=BlazeJohnny03;1876320]I don't want to sound like a scummy but I really don't like the girls in bars. I think they're too high maintenance and overpriced. I've tried FLS in Thailand and had a blast with them. I've heard there are a lot of good areas to meet FLS in Phnom Peh like what Phnom, ST 70, and the chicken farm. LOL funny on the last one.[/QUOTE]About what chicken farm are you talk about, in PP have one?

[QUOTE=Robin3910;1918124]About what chicken farm are you talk about, in PP have one?[/QUOTE]Price please, we need some price! Price of girls! In all chicken farm!

[QUOTE=Benjamino7;1918301]Price please, we need some price! Price of girls! In all chicken farm![/QUOTE]Locals pay 7.50 usd, I have bargained down to 10 usd, there are a lot 10 reil massage "chicken farms" where I have got FS for 15-20 usd.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1918456]Locals pay 7.50 usd, I have bargained down to 10 usd, there are a lot 10 reil massage "chicken farms" where I have got FS for 15-20 usd.[/QUOTE]Can you give location of this massage?

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1918456]Locals pay 7.50 usd, I have bargained down to 10 usd, there are a lot 10 reil massage "chicken farms" where I have got FS for 15-20 usd.[/QUOTE]Hey Mutant, where is or are the chicken farms in PP. I know and have used them in Sihanakville, but would love to try them in PP.

Johnie.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1918456]Locals pay 7.50 usd, I have bargained down to 10 usd, there are a lot 10 reil massage "chicken farms" where I have got FS for 15-20 usd.[/QUOTE]This guy is a troll.

He s doing the same on Vietnam board.

He pretends he knows cheap places with great girls but when you ask him where he says some BS excuse that he doesn't want to share with white guys because he's Viet.

He's pure racist. He pm me once that he is not interested in meeting guys from sex forums because too many douchebags.

So what do you do here pal? Looking for attention that you can t get from the girls?

There are still quite a lot of houses in disguise. If you have a motorbike, you just ride around town and be observant, not hard to find. These shops mostly with Viets, not big usually with 3-5 girls, they disguise as salon shop, massage shop, coffee shop, restaurants, last year even found one as small grocery store with 3 young Viet girls sitting around. But these shops come and go so quickly, every trip with 6 months gap, you don't find these shops anymore they have moved. What I do is observe if there is a guy or woman outside some shop and try to wave at you or give you some look, then definitely they are selling something more than cutting your hair. I am not too sure how much locals pay, but Cambodian guys told me they pay 15 in city center joints. But I usually pay little more like 20 or up as foreigner. In the outskirt of town, there are still many very local brothels advertise as karaoke or massage, the price is even cheaper, the Svay Pak 3-5 dollar era is gone, but I think less than 10 is available for locals in these outskirt areas.

For me the best way to find these shops is to rent a motorbike and ride around town, they are basically all over the city, last trip I even found a small restaurant right in front of Pontoon, and there are always 3-4 girls sitting inside, and I went in and tried to order food but was told they only have beer, and turned out to be one of these shops as well, room in the back, paid 25, Viet lady, but I am sure Khmer locals pay maybe 15-20.

Another way is to follow these moto boys, or tuk tuk, I have used them many many times to look for new places, but be sure to tell them you don't want tourist massage, you want cheap cheap local massage, some drivers are nice they show you the local shops he knows, but some are not, they insist to take you to these tourist traps, so just decline. You pay a little commission to them in exchange of local knowledge.

[QUOTE=Johnie;1918939]Hey Mutant, where is or are the chicken farms in PP. I know and have used them in Sihanakville, but would love to try them in PP.

Johnie.[/QUOTE]I cannot give you an exact location, as it is a bit out of town. And nothing to compare with the chicken farm in Sihanoukville or the former one in Koh Kong. You always pass it when you take a trip to the Killing Fields. Just keep your eyes open when in tuk tuk and ask for local massage place.

Another area is going north from what Phom or Riverside up to the Japanese bridge. These 2 streets are parallel and just see all the even numbered streets in between. Walking Riverside north you will see a Viet coffee shop on a left hand corner. 2 barbershops in that street. A little more north you will find the former 5000 Riel massage places. You will not get it for 5000 riel as prices now like 10.000 Riel but 10 dollar incl. FS still possible. YMMV! In the daytime a rough, but safe area. From what Phnom north, turn left to the former lake and you will find a number of sheds with possible action.

Coming from the airport into town, left and right before the flyover you will find KTV's and massage places. It is a bit of an adventurous area I would not visit without Cambodian companion. And definitely not walk on your own after dark.

A more upscale Viet barber you will find on street 51 south of Independent Monument on left hand side next to an upscale coffee shop. Hair wash in separated backrooms but you have to take the initiative as those girls are too scared for local cops. Actin rooms upstairs but that is more in the 20-25 dollar range.

So that is enough to walk and to explore.

[QUOTE=Titanio;1919412]I cannot give you an exact location, as it is a bit out of town. And nothing to compare with the chicken farm in Sihanoukville or the former one in Koh Kong. You always pass it when you take a trip to the Killing Fields. Just keep your eyes open when in tuk tuk and ask for local massage place.

Another area is going north from what Phom or Riverside up to the Japanese bridge. These 2 streets are parallel and just see all the even numbered streets in between. Walking Riverside north you will see a Viet coffee shop on a left hand corner. 2 barbershops in that street. A little more north you will find the former 5000 Riel massage places. You will not get it for 5000 riel as prices now like 10.000 Riel but 10 dollar incl. FS still possible. YMMV! In the daytime a rough, but safe area. From what Phnom north, turn left to the former lake and you will find a number of sheds with possible action.

Coming from the airport into town, left and right before the flyover you will find KTV's and massage places. It is a bit of an adventurous area I would not visit without Cambodian companion. And definitely not walk on your own after dark.

A more upscale Viet barber you will find on street 51 south of Independent Monument on left hand side next to an upscale coffee shop. Hair wash in separated backrooms but you have to take the initiative as those girls are too scared for local cops. Actin rooms upstairs but that is more in the 20-25 dollar range.

So that is enough to walk and to explore.[/QUOTE]Thank you Titanio and Shinshin. I will take your advice onboard for my next trip. I always include 10 days or so in PP on my annual mongering vacation to SE Asia. I love the place!

I was lucky enough to experience Svay Pak or K11 in the early days and then Toul Kork when K11 was closed down by the LE. I was not sure if it is still available.

As I get older, I am less confident of hiring a motorcycle to face the PP traffic so may engage a moto to take me to the "playing fields".

Stay firm,

Johnie.

[QUOTE=Titanio;1919412]Another area is going north from what Phom or Riverside up to the Japanese bridge. These 2 streets are parallel and just see all the even numbered streets in between. Walking Riverside north you will see a Viet coffee shop on a left hand corner. 2 barbershops in that street. A little more north you will find the former 5000 Riel massage places. You will not get it for 5000 riel as prices now like 10.000 Riel but 10 dollar incl. FS still possible. YMMV! In the daytime a rough, but safe area. From what Phnom north, turn left to the former lake and you will find a number of sheds with possible action..[/QUOTE]Nice post.

May be someone can give more locations with Viet chicks?

Also my two cents. Try two fishbowls one is in Luxury world hotel. Nice rooms with A / see and steam room. Another one is in Zole (Cambodian talks Sole) - have KTV and fishbowl on 4th floor. In both you pay 10 dollar for room and choose lady. Pay 60 and 50 $, took phone of lady and arrange LT for same price after. As understand locals pays same from 40 to 80 up to lady, as lots of expansive cars around.

Zole is located near Aeon mail, all tuk tuk know it. Luxury world is easy to google.

This week go PP and check all places mentioned in last posts. Update with new info soon.

Not sure why many guys go on dusty 5 HR and 20 $ tuk tuk trips to chicken villages where seedy hookers can be had for 10 bucks or walk out to the Japanese bridge. I prefer GSM where I sit during the afternoon or evening with 2 $ jugs of beer and leer. You have to put in a little time but work it is not. Once you know them and they come to you for repeats it is easy to pay 10 and tip two. Here some results from my last trip last week. All 12 - 15 $ st plus 3 for the st hotel, uninhibited sucking and fucking, no anal though except for a little fingering. All of them were reasonably clean and have nice small pussies and tits and if you start slowly they really get into it too and squeak nicely when you fuck them hard. The first two a really tiny, like 80#. Important to have the right change and your own condom and not be insecure when afterwards they just about run away from you that you think they stole from you. They walk you to the hotel but never back. Probably they don't want others to see they have money now since they owe everybody, or they run to their dealer. Whichever.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1920534]Not sure why many guys go on dusty 5 HR and 20 $ tuk tuk trips to chicken villages where seedy hookers can be had for 10 bucks or walk out to the Japanese bridge. I prefer GSM where I sit during the afternoon or evening with 2 $ jugs of beer and leer. You have to put in a little time but work it is not. Once you know them and they come to you for repeats it is easy to pay 10 and tip two. Here some results from my last trip last week. All 12 - 15 $ st plus 3 for the st hotel, uninhibited sucking and fucking, no anal though except for a little fingering. All of them were reasonably clean and have nice small pussies and tits and if you start slowly they really get into it too and squeak nicely when you fuck them hard. The first two a really tiny, like 80#. Important to have the right change and your own condom and not be insecure when afterwards they just about run away from you that you think they stole from you. They walk you to the hotel but never back. Probably they don't want others to see they have money now since they owe everybody, or they run to their dealer. Whichever.[/QUOTE]Well if its a dusty 5 HR and 20 dollar tuk tuk ride then yes you do have a point, but in my case it was a 30-40 min bike ride, for a 7 that's 20 yrs old, that what my 10 dollars got me, ID say from your pick those gals are more like 30 yrs+ and are 4's in my eyes. So not for me either.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1920534]Not sure why many guys go on dusty 5 HR and 20 $ tuk tuk trips to chicken villages where seedy hookers can be had for 10 bucks or walk out to the Japanese bridge. I prefer GSM where I sit during the afternoon or evening with 2 $ jugs of beer and leer. You have to put in a little time but work it is not. Once you know them and they come to you for repeats it is easy to pay 10 and tip two. Here some results from my last trip last week. All 12 - 15 $ st plus 3 for the st hotel, uninhibited sucking and fucking, no anal though except for a little fingering. All of them were reasonably clean and have nice small pussies and tits and if you start slowly they really get into it too and squeak nicely when you fuck them hard. The first two a really tiny, like 80#. Important to have the right change and your own condom and not be insecure when afterwards they just about run away from you that you think they stole from you. They walk you to the hotel but never back. Probably they don't want others to see they have money now since they owe everybody, or they run to their dealer. Whichever.[/QUOTE]And what is suppose to be GSM, Golden Soya Mall or not?

If yes, see some in their, but not in my taste. Near Japanese bridge took couple, my last trip, for LT about 50 $, pretty good exp. Also exploring locations is exciting, not only hookers attract.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1920534]Not sure why many guys go on dusty 5 HR and 20 $ tuk tuk trips to chicken villages where seedy hookers can be had for 10 bucks or walk out to the Japanese bridge. I prefer GSM where I sit during the afternoon or evening with 2 $ jugs of beer and leer. You have to put in a little time but work it is not. Once you know them and they come to you for repeats it is easy to pay 10 and tip two. Here some results from my last trip last week. All 12 - 15 $ st plus 3 for the st hotel, uninhibited sucking and fucking, no anal though except for a little fingering. All of them were reasonably clean and have nice small pussies and tits and if you start slowly they really get into it too and squeak nicely when you fuck them hard. The first two a really tiny, like 80#. Important to have the right change and your own condom and not be insecure when afterwards they just about run away from you that you think they stole from you. They walk you to the hotel but never back. Probably they don't want others to see they have money now since they owe everybody, or they run to their dealer. Whichever.[/QUOTE]Did no. 4 bring the baby to the ST hotel?

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1920534]Not sure why many guys go on dusty 5 HR and 20 $ tuk tuk trips to chicken villages where seedy hookers can be had for 10 bucks or walk out to the Japanese bridge. I prefer GSM where I sit during the afternoon or evening with 2 $ jugs of beer and leer. You have to put in a little time but work it is not. Once you know them and they come to you for repeats it is easy to pay 10 and tip two. Here some results from my last trip last week. All 12 - 15 $ st plus 3 for the st hotel, uninhibited sucking and fucking, no anal though except for a little fingering. All of them were reasonably clean and have nice small pussies and tits and if you start slowly they really get into it too and squeak nicely when you fuck them hard. The first two a really tiny, like 80#. Important to have the right change and your own condom and not be insecure when afterwards they just about run away from you that you think they stole from you. They walk you to the hotel but never back. Probably they don't want others to see they have money now since they owe everybody, or they run to their dealer. Whichever.[/QUOTE]What's GSM?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1920674]Did no. 4 bring the baby to the ST hotel?[/QUOTE]Not her baby.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1920534]Not sure why many guys go on dusty 5 HR and 20 $ tuk tuk trips to chicken villages where seedy hookers can be had for 10 bucks or walk out to the Japanese bridge. I prefer GSM where I sit during the afternoon or evening with 2 $ jugs of beer and leer. You have to put in a little time but work it is not. Once you know them and they come to you for repeats it is easy to pay 10 and tip two. Here some results from my last trip last week. All 12 - 15 $ st plus 3 for the st hotel, uninhibited sucking and fucking, no anal though except for a little fingering. All of them were reasonably clean and have nice small pussies and tits and if you start slowly they really get into it too and squeak nicely when you fuck them hard. The first two a really tiny, like 80#. Important to have the right change and your own condom and not be insecure when afterwards they just about run away from you that you think they stole from you. They walk you to the hotel but never back. Probably they don't want others to see they have money now since they owe everybody, or they run to their dealer. Whichever.[/QUOTE]Wow you guys must be desperate to accept to fuck with scary and ugly girls like that!

I wouldn't go with them even if they pay me.

The pics speak for themselves.

[QUOTE=Robin3910;1918839]Can you give location of this massage?[/QUOTE]There are cheap massage places everywhere once you get out of the riverside area. They tend to have a sign advertising massage for 10,000 riel. I'm sure any tuk tuk driver would be happy to take you. Heading up Hwy 5 parallel to the river, towards Svay Pak, there's a lot within 10 minutes of 130st (which is where I stay). I tend to hire a motorbike / scooter and make my own way around. I stopped at one on my last trip and had a slim 20 yo girl who I found pretty attractive. She gave FS and I gave her $20, which she seemed very happy with. Had I bargained before the deed, I'm sure I could have shaved $5 off that price. Similarly, there are plenty along Street 371 on the way back from Killing Fields. Having said that, when I drive by slowly, most only have one or two ladies and there were very few that seemed to have anyone to my taste IE. Slim, pretty. Clearly they're more for local men who aren't too fussy about what they shoot a load into. I guess when it comes to these sorts of places, you have to do a bit of searching to find the diamonds in the rough. But they are there, and searching is half the fun!

Well thanks guys for your wonderful response. I really enjoy posting here. Now, if those pics are just 4's to you, OK, that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. However, I would be really interested what girls you do, what they look like, just a closeup, and how you rate them. I want to see a 7 for example. Not arguing that there are no better looking chicks around. But not in st 63 knock shops!

So how about it, does your Iphone have a camera?

Dear Brother Mongers,

I'm going to Cambodia for the first time ever this Winter. I will be bringing my crazy / horny GF from America. Her sexual taste, like mine; run the gamut. I have a question for the old hands on this site.

[URL]https://www.expedia.com/Phnom-Penh-Hotels-Queen-Grand-Boutique-Hotel-Spa.h6913986.Hotel-Information?chkin=10/18/2016&chkout=10/25/2016&rm1=a2&hwrqCacheKey=753d9e09-91aa-4ce4-b73c-7b5b8d56f84eHWRQ1470785919220&c=be444d76-43f2-48b2-a953-a7c67b62024b&&exp_dp=44.77&exp_ts=1470785919763&exp_curr=USD&exp_pg=HSR[/URL]

Is the above hotel girl friendly? Do they charge for guests that visit our room for a few hours? Perhaps someone could give me a brief rundown of the protocols in Cambodia, for bringing guests to the hotel room for a few hours? I don't like girls in the room overnight.

Thanks,

Lonely.

"I just spent the better part of two weeks in Phnom Penh, and I'm sorry to say that I didn't spend a lot of time in girl bars. In fact, I only took one bar girl home the whole time. Khmer girls are hot and awesome, and I've got some charisma so I managed to get a couple of nice girls without any P4P."

I find this distressing. A guy that will happily pay outrageous hotel bills to a large corporation but then cheats a poor girl, probably supporting her family; out of her pussy money! Bragging about cheating a destitute girl out of her earned money is bizarre and disgusting. In my monger career I have had many girls refuse money. I insist. If they still refuse to take my money I sneak it into their purse. Please don't cheat these girls. They bring us so much joy. They deserve much more than we can pay. I love them and respect them and letting them waste a work night for desperately needed money, just pisses me off, as it would any gentleman.

Well said. To many in the hobby have the attitude to try to pay rock bottom prices and are not happy unless they do. A $5 savings for us is nothing in the grand scheme, but for some of these girls means the world to them and / or their families they are supporting.

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1921458]"I just spent the better part of two weeks in Phnom Penh, and I'm sorry to say that I didn't spend a lot of time in girl bars. In fact, I only took one bar girl home the whole time. Khmer girls are hot and awesome, and I've got some charisma so I managed to get a couple of nice girls without any P4P."

I find this distressing. A guy that will happily pay outrageous hotel bills to a large corporation but then cheats a poor girl, probably supporting her family; out of her pussy money! Bragging about cheating a destitute girl out of her earned money is bizarre and disgusting. In my monger career I have had many girls refuse money. I insist. If they still refuse to take my money I sneak it into their purse. Please don't cheat these girls. They bring us so much joy. They deserve much more than we can pay. I love them and respect them and letting them waste a work night for desperately needed money, just pisses me off, as it would any gentleman.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1920768]What's GSM?[/QUOTE]GSM = Golden Sorya Mall, 51st Str /172nd Str.

Lonely566 posts: "I find this distressing. Bragging about cheating a destitute girl out of her earned money is bizarre and disgusting. " I assume the thread that Lonely566 is referring to has been deleted already. I read this forum regularly, and see no cause for his disgust. Pay the local rate for the quality of girl and services offered. When you go to another more expensive place, there you can have the honor of paying a higher rate for whatever is offered. In Phnom Penh I offer 20 to 40 for ST or LT depending on my availability and the girl's look and attitude. She is not being cheated, because the local rate here is not $200 per hour.

[QUOTE=NspectHerGadgt;1922220]Lonely566 posts: "I find this distressing. Bragging about cheating a destitute girl out of her earned money is bizarre and disgusting. " I assume the thread that Lonely566 is referring to has been deleted already. I read this forum regularly, and see no cause for his disgust. Pay the local rate for the quality of girl and services offered. When you go to another more expensive place, there you can have the honor of paying a higher rate for whatever is offered. In Phnom Penh I offer 20 to 40 for ST or LT depending on my availability and the girl's look and attitude. She is not being cheated, because the local rate here is not $200 per hour.[/QUOTE]The poster I was referring to was bragging about getting it for free. He and his attitude should be shunned by all descent mongers.

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1922344]The poster I was referring to was bragging about getting it for free. He and his attitude should be shunned by all .[/QUOTE]Would you care to explain what is a descent monger?

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1922454]Would you care to explain what is a descent monger?[/QUOTE]I recommend printing this out and keeping it in your wallet. A monger is first a Gentleman. He realizes that girls selling their bodies in the third world don't do so because of low moral character but from poverty. She is likely supporting a child, parents or both. She deserves respect for the sacrifices she is making for her family. I doubt many in the West would do the same. She should be treated like the lady she would really like to be.

Don't put your arm around her or kiss her in public. That is rarely done in the third world and marks her as a working girl.

Try to learn a few words of the language and the culture. I have found that the more of the local language I speak, the more fun I have.

I always keep in mind that the pretty babe bouncing up and down on my floppy disc is giving me more pleasure than anything else in the World.

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1924104]He realizes that girls selling their bodies in the third world . . . [/QUOTE]It probably also helps to remember that she's not selling, she's just renting.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1922454]Would you care to explain what is a descent monger?[/QUOTE]I was thinking it may be a monger who's into abseiling.

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1924104]I recommend printing this out and keeping it in your wallet. A monger is first a Gentleman. He realizes that girls selling their bodies in the third world don't do so because of low moral character but from poverty. She is likely supporting a child, parents or both. She deserves respect for the sacrifices she is making for her family. I doubt many in the West would do the same. She should be treated like the lady she would really like to be.

Don't put your arm around her or kiss her in public. That is rarely done in the third world and marks her as a working girl.

Try to learn a few words of the language and the culture. I have found that the more of the local language I speak, the more fun I have.

I always keep in mind that the pretty babe bouncing up and down on my floppy disc is giving me more pleasure than anything else in the World.[/QUOTE]Ignoring the rather pretentious opening sentence, I think you do make some reasonable points. Yes, we are the customer and paying for a service, but that's no excuse for disrespecting the girls who are (hopefully) giving us great pleasure. Although there are definitely many working girls who choose to do this line of work due to the relatively large amount of money they can earn for fairly easy work, I'm sure that a significant number would rather be doing another job if they were able to get it. Anything we can do to help them keep their self-respect is important. Of course, respect needs to go both ways.

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1924104]I recommend printing this out and keeping it in your wallet. A monger is first a Gentleman. He realizes that girls selling their bodies in the third world don't do so because of low moral character but from poverty. She is likely supporting a child, parents or both. She deserves respect for the sacrifices she is making for her family. I doubt many in the West would do the same. She should be treated like the lady she would really like to be.

Don't put your arm around her or kiss her in public. That is rarely done in the third world and marks her as a working girl.

Try to learn a few words of the language and the culture. I have found that the more of the local language I speak, the more fun I have.

I always keep in mind that the pretty babe bouncing up and down on my floppy disc is giving me more pleasure than anything else in the World.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree with you more.

My mongering days in Cambodia are largely over as I am happy with my long time girlfriend although I do dabble a little when I am out of the country. My mongering days were mainly between 2003-2009 when there were far fewer girls and bars in Phnom Penh and during that time I met some lovely girls some of who became and remain good friends. I remember one regular friend asking me to have sex with a friend of hers as she could do with the money and another paying for a expensive meal when I went to the toilet (we are still together).

However from what I see now many of the girls have become hard nosed pushy and grabbing.

[QUOTE=Riverstar;1924763]However from what I see now many of the girls have become hard nosed pushy and grabbing.[/QUOTE]That is unfortunately true and might get us straight to the decent, I know how to spell it, the decent working girl.

Now what is a decent wore? (I know how to spell that too, but one's not allowed).

Later I might inquire about honest politicians, safe investments or blissful old age or other strange euphemisms though.

A decent pool player is not somebody who doesn't drop the pants or refuses to shake hands with the opponent, it is somebody who can hit the ball.

What Lonely wants printed out is just a decent human being. Common courtesy. Nice try nevertheless.

Well I just came back from Phnom Penh, and the things got a lot worse then they were earlier.

Night 1.

Went to the Butterfly Bar on the 136 Street at about 8 pm, not many customers but some hot chicks were inside, a pair of 8-8. 5 and several 7's, rest mediocre.

After some drinking a bought a lady drink for the one of the hotties, and went to play pool with her. After an hour or so and several lady drinks asked her if she wanted to come with me. And got rejected.

Bill=20 $ for drinks.

I said to myself OK fuck it I go to another one, so I went to the Pascha Bar, 7 or 9 girls inside, no customers.

All chicks are mediocre and 2 or 3 in their late 40 s, one was a 7.

Ordered a drink, and a lady drink to the 7 and asked her to go with me, so far so good, paid barfine 15 $ and the drinks 7-7.5 $.

So we went to the hotel, started the session and after 5 minutes she cummed, went to the bathroom to dress, and demanded 50 $.

I made the same mistake as the previous poster and haven't discussed the price beforehand, so we had some drama and in the end I gave her 40 and said to go away.

So in the end I spent like 80-100 $ that night, and got my dick barely wet.

All other nights were almost in the same manner, I go to a bar and try to barfine the hot ones and get rejected, those who went with me to the hotel start asking for 50 $ even after we cleared the price beforehand.

I am in my 30's, good looking and not fat, I also spent 2 weeks in Pattaya prior to Phnom Penh and hat a blast there for less money and without any hustle.

Here not only you are expected nowadays to overpay them, but in the end you don't even get any service for your money.

In order to get normal service and normal price, you have to act like a piece of crap, be strict and dominant, else they will fuck you over in a second.

Alone the fact that you have to "guess" who is up to go to fuck with you, is a complete bullshit.

My recommendation is to stay away from Phnom Penh, and spend your time in Pattaya.

Phnom Penh might be good for those who like to endless fights over the payment, service and so on. But for people who want it to go stress free, I think it would be better to spend your time elsewhere.

I fully agree Soulbrother. Even Pattaya is better value these days.

PP was great 10 years ago when you could fuck for 5 $ a pop and even less.

These days it has been spoiled by Asian customers and guys coming from Thailand who don't discuss prices and act like pussies in front of hookers.

See the result girls asking these days 3 weeks salary for a 5 mn shag!

What a joke!

Sorry to that a young in shape 30 year old Soulbrother was constantly rejected. Things must have changed a lot since I went there about 2 years ago and had no issues. I am also twice his age. He seemed to make some newbie mistakes and not be upfront with the women on the services and the price. I am also in shape, dress well, smell good. Look good and treat the women with respect. Also, I rarely buy women ladies drinks. I was getting shags from between $15-20. I might pop over later this year and see what is going on.

[QUOTE=SoulBrother;1931566]Well I just came back from Phnom Penh, and the things got a lot worse then they were earlier... [/QUOTE]I was in PP earlier in the year and had no such problems. Maybe you were just a bit unlucky.

[QUOTE=SoulBrother;1931566]Went to the Butterfly Bar on the 136 Street at about 8 pm, not many customers but some hot chicks were inside, a pair of 8-8. 5 and several 7's, rest mediocre.

After some drinking a bought a lady drink for the one of the hotties, and went to play pool with her. After an hour or so and several lady drinks asked her if she wanted to come with me. And got rejected.

Bill=20 $ for drinks.[/QUOTE]You didn't check that she goes with customers before shelling out on drinks for her? I'm not wanting to be harsh, but it doesn't matter where you're mongering, you always check that a girl is going to let you barfine her before investing in multiple drinks. It's not just in PP that the hottest girls can make a good living off lady drinks without having to go fucking random strangers.

[QUOTE=SoulBrother;1931566]I said to myself OK fuck it I go to another one, so I went to the Pascha Bar, 7 or 9 girls inside, no customers.

All chicks are mediocre and 2 or 3 in their late 40 s, one was a 7.

Ordered a drink, and a lady drink to the 7 and asked her to go with me, so far so good, paid barfine 15 $ and the drinks 7-7.5 $.

So we went to the hotel, started the session and after 5 minutes she cummed, went to the bathroom to dress, and demanded 50 $.

I made the same mistake as the previous poster and haven't discussed the price beforehand, so we had some drama and in the end I gave her 40 and said to go away.

So in the end I spent like 80-100 $ that night, and got my dick barely wet.[/QUOTE]She actually pretended to cum after 5 minutes and pushed you off before you'd finished? Although I find that very hard to believe, if it's true it's outrageous. As for the price, as with my previous point about checking that a girl will barfine before investing several lady drinks into her, discussing the price before leaving the bar is also Mongering 101. I freely admit that I sometimes neglect to do it, but I realize that it's my own fault when the fee turns out to be higher than I'd expected.

[QUOTE=SoulBrother;1931566]All other nights were almost in the same manner, I go to a bar and try to barfine the hot ones and get rejected, those who went with me to the hotel start asking for 50 $ even after we cleared the price beforehand.

I am in my 30's, good looking and not fat, I also spent 2 weeks in Pattaya prior to Phnom Penh and hat a blast there for less money and without any hustle.

Here not only you are expected nowadays to overpay them, but in the end you don't even get any service for your money...[/QUOTE]I guess it pays to remember that you're not out trying to pick up a date; you're trying to hire a prostitute, so being just because you're middle aged and not fat (I'll ignore the good looking part as that's subjective) doesn't mean they're necessarily going to fawn all over you. As I mentioned before, many of the true hotties can make a very comfortable living off lady drinks. Why would they go off fucking random strangers if they don't need to?

As for the prices in PP being steep, I do agree that they've risen very quickly without the quality necessarily keeping pace. Still, this seems to be the same in many places. The barfines in Angeles City have also increased quickly whilst the standard of girls in the bar has fallen.

Personally, I enjoy PP as a destination far more than I do Pattaya. Obviously it doesn't have the variety that Pattaya does, and the prices are comparable, but there are still enough girls to keep most people happy. We all have different tastes and whilst I could happily spend a month between PP and Sihanoukville, I find Pattaya does my head in after a week.

[QUOTE=SoulBrother;1931566]Well I just came back from Phnom Penh, and the things got a lot worse then they were earlier.
Phnom Penh might be good for those who like to endless fights over the payment, service and so on. But for people who want it to go stress free, I think it would be better to spend your time elsewhere.[/QUOTE]I don't understand why you guys have so many problems in Phnom Penh. I am in my late fifties and fat. Most times I have no problems with the girls in Phnom Penh. The difference to Pattaya is probably that most girls in Cambodia only go with a customer if they like him. A girl can say no to me and 5 minuts later say yes to you. Most girls say yes to me, hehe.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?937-Phnom-Penh&p=1894254[/URL]#post1894254. See my report from 06-15-16

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1932028]I don't understand why you guys have so many problems in Phnom Penh. I am in my late fifties and fat. Most times I have no problems with the girls in Phnom Penh. The difference to Pattaya is probably that most girls in Cambodia only go with a customer if they like him. A girl can say no to me and 5 minuts later say yes to you. Most girls say yes to me, hehe.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?937-Phnom-Penh&p=1894254[/URL]#post1894254. See my report from 06-15-16[/QUOTE]Maybe the problem is that the "most" girls that say yes to you, soul brother and his types would reply bay no way (ID be paying to have sex with you), I mean there was a poster recently who proudly posted pics of girls he picked up from SM and my god they looked like drugged out 40 and 50 yrs old, I wouldn't even have sex with if they paid me 50 usd. My experience is that yes most girls will go with me but that top 1% of gals who can earn a good living for milking LD or have a local / foreign sponsor won't go with guys regardless, and then the next 5% of gal will try to milk you for LD, so overall its not a very good environment unless you like to bottom feed.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;1932064]Maybe the problem is that the "most" girls that say yes to you, soul brother and his types would reply bay no way (ID be paying to have sex with you), I mean there was a poster recently who proudly posted pics of girls he picked up from SM and my god they looked like drugged out 40 and 50 yrs old, I wouldn't even have sex with if they paid me 50 usd. My experience is that yes most girls will go with me but that top 1% of gals who can earn a good living for milking LD or have a local / foreign sponsor won't go with guys regardless, and then the next 5% of gal will try to milk you for LD, so overall its not a very good environment unless you like to bottom feed.[/QUOTE]MutantTrool, you don't know how my girls look. I remember the pictures. One mans trash is another mans treasure, but that kind of girl is not my treasure. This is from March which is the last time I had time to do some mongering in PP.

"Day 1: Took a FL girl from Sorya Mall. Only 19 years old, no children. Sweet, totally GFE.

Day 2: Took a massage on France Street (between what Prom and Japanese Bridge). She asked if I wanted extra. I wanted, but only in my room. She was off duty at 11 pm and came to my hotel. 28 years old, one baby but a good body.

Day 3: Went to bar in Street 104. Took a 21 year old girl from a bar late at night. Very nice, no children, perfect body.

Day 4: Went to bar in Street 130. Took a 26 year old girl from Loco my last night alone. Very sweet girl and with a good body.

I had 4 days with beautiful women. No one refused to go with me. What more could a man ask for."

MutantTrool, maybe the girls refuse the to go with you, because you are greasy, poorly dressed and also rude.

Hey guys,

I'm going on my first trip to PP for a couple of days as a side trip from Pattaya in October. Have a couple of questions that maybe some of you can help me with.

1. What is the process after landing at the airport. I assume I will have to fill out an immigration card like I do for Thailand. I know I will have to bring a passport style picture for the visa but at what point does that come into play? When I'm going through immigration or just after? I also know the visa is around $30.

2. What is the average cost for a tuk tuk from the airport into the city? I have seen somewhere that is it in the $8-15 but haven't been able to confirm it.

3. The girls. Are the beer bars, places the same as in Pattaya? What I mean is, do you simply walk in and look around before settling on a woman to talk to?

4. Most important, how do you tell if the women are of the legal age? Yeah, I can ask for the ID but, since I can't speak / read the language how do you determine their age from their ID?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Wanderer9577;1932260]
1. What is the process after landing at the airport. I assume I will have to fill out an immigration card like I do for Thailand. I know I will have to bring a passport style picture for the visa but at what point does that come into play? When I'm going through immigration or just after? I also know the visa is around $30.

2. What is the average cost for a tuk tuk from the airport into the city? I have seen somewhere that is it in the $8-15 but haven't been able to confirm it.

3. The girls. Are the beer bars, places the same as in Pattaya? What I mean is, do you simply walk in and look around before settling on a woman to talk to?

4. Most important, how do you tell if the women are of the legal age? Yeah, I can ask for the ID but, since I can't speak / read the language how do you determine their age from their ID?

[/QUOTE]1. [URL]http://www.movetocambodia.com/planning-your-move-to-cambodia/cambodia-visas/[/URL].

2. 9 dollar.

3. Read this tread a couble of pages back and you get the answer.

4. You must be sure that they are over 18. If not you can get in big trouble. I prefer girls from 20 years old, so I am not an expert.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1932497]1. [URL]http://www.movetocambodia.com/planning-your-move-to-cambodia/cambodia-visas/[/URL].

2. 9 dollar.

3. Read this tread a couble of pages back and you get the answer.

4. You must be sure that they are over 18. If not you can get in big trouble. I prefer girls from 20 years old, so I am not an expert.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Yeah, I want to be sure they are legal age but how can you find out even with their ID? We all know how a lot of these ladies look way younger than they really are. If they are working in a bar is that a good indication?

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1932497]
3. Read this tread a couble of pages back and you get the answer.

4. You must be sure that they are over 18. If not you can get in big trouble. I prefer girls from 20 years old, so I am not an expert.[/QUOTE]3. A few selected bars are pure take-out joints but for most other bars, not all girls at the bars will go out so make sure after first drink or else you'll be in for a surprise.

4. If you're bringing back to hotel, make sure they have ID or else you'll run into problems.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1932179]

I had 4 days with beautiful women. No one refused to go with me. What more could a man ask for."
[/QUOTE]I would concur with AskeAske, it's been some time since I visited but I had good 5 days. There are those odd cherry girls but more for the picking comparatively. Besides we also have Naga and Pontoon to hunt. So things should sail smoothly unless one is being stuck up about the experience he has had in LOS or Philippines.

I have been planning to return for quite some time and hope it works out soon. My guess is that the only thing if was to change would be the prices in PNH.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1932557]3. A few selected bars are pure take-out joints but for most other bars, not all girls at the bars will go out so make sure after first drink or else you'll be in for a surprise.

4. If you're bringing back to hotel, make sure they have ID or else you'll run into problems.[/QUOTE]I always made sure the ladies I was with in Bangkok and Pattaya had their IDs so I will make sure to do the same in PP. As far as the pure take out places, could you name a couple. Being there for only 2 days, I don't mind hunting around, but if all else fails a few sure bet places would be great. At the moment, I'm counting down and the days can't seem to go fast enough.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Wanderer9577;1932260]Hey guys,

3. The girls. Are the beer bars, places the same as in Pattaya? What I mean is, do you simply walk in and look around before settling on a woman to talk to?

4. Most important, how do you tell if the women are of the legal age? Yeah, I can ask for the ID but, since I can't speak / read the language how do you determine their age from their ID?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Obviously it's easiest to start in bars. I suggest Street 130 bars one block back from the river. Honeypot, Angry Birds, - maybe Loco. Going earlier, you will have a pick of girls but as Aske says. Not all go with customers. So at Honeypot or Angry Birds talk to the western managers who are always on site (William I think and Bill). They will help you narrow down the girls that match what you are looking for.

I see so many guys wandering in bars not knowing how to find what they want. But all you have to do is ask. That's the advantage of having good bar western owners and managers present on site every day. The girls at these bars are all of legal age and the bars seem to to be run ethically but again chat to the owners / managers and they will show you how to read the ID cards and help you. These guys live in Cambodia and spend every night dealing with these sorts of questions and probably know more than most of the people here whose experiences are based on less time in country. I always found these guys willing to give up to date and accurate info on the scene in PP. You can branch out from the bars once you get a feel for the place. Just my opinion!

Enjoy your trip!!

[QUOTE=Bubba999;1932862]Obviously it's easiest to start in bars. I suggest Street 130 bars one block back from the river. Honeypot, Angry Birds, - maybe Loco. Going earlier, you will have a pick of girls but as Aske says. Not all go with customers. So at Honeypot or Angry Birds talk to the western managers who are always on site (William I think and Bill). They will help you narrow down the girls that match what you are looking for.Enjoy your trip!![/QUOTE]I agree with Bubba. These 3 bars is a good place to start. Later you have more experience and go to other bars. The only "pure take away place" I can recommend is Cyrcee. [URL]http://www.cyrcee.com/[/URL] You can find many reports about this place in this thread.

When entering a bar the wrong girl approaches you for a drink ask her if the one you want is her friend, point at her. They obviously are all friends. So the wrong girl will initiate the switch for you. You are being approached by the right girl and she asks for a drink, order your drink. Then after she brought it over ask her if she is on the period, which is what they often say when you want to take them out, then ask her if she goes out with the customer, and only then after 2 yes you will buy her a drink. All this you do in good humor of course feeling them up and so on just ignoring the drink request. When you actually then decide to take them out do not ask: how much? Instead offer her 20 $ st or 30 $ overnight, long time. That gives you a good starting point for the negotiation, although 20st is already enough.

For the "old enough" question sadly is almost irrelevant nowadays, however you should ask them their age and later have their ID checked at your hotel. They know how old she is.

Sure thing is always la cyrcee, good BJ too! Another nod to the 130 bars loco, angry birds and honeypot. Golden vine for Viets. Check voodoo while in the area, both on 108 near 51st.

Remember to write a report after your visit, Wanderer9577.

[QUOTE=AussieFella;1932013]I was in PP earlier in the year and had no such problems. Maybe you were just a bit unlucky.

You didn't check that she goes with customers before shelling out on drinks for her? I'm not wanting to be harsh, but it doesn't matter where you're mongering, you always check that a girl is going to let you barfine her before investing in multiple drinks. It's not just in PP that the hottest girls can make a good living off lady drinks without having to go fucking random strangers..[/QUOTE]Yes, I do agree with you on that.

My point with my age and looks was not to brag or something like that, I mentioned that only to explain that my rejection was not based on my age, looks or attitude, but solely due to the economical reason.

The hot women wait for lady drinks, so it is very hard to barfine them for a night, at least that was my experience.

I also agree that some of things could be avoided, but that is the point which I wanted to bring up that nowadays you have to be strict and dominant to get what you want.

I personally don't like 5 min discussions about the price or when they try to squeeze more money after sex.

In Pattaya I rarely was asked for higher price then the standard one, and after 1 min I would always bring it down to a normal one.

Here is the opposite thing, even when you mention the normal price they still try to get these "magic" 50 $, so in the end you have a lot of stress to get your thing under your conditions.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1932028]I don't understand why you guys have so many problems in Phnom Penh. I am in my late fifties and fat. Most times I have no problems with the girls in Phnom Penh. The difference to Pattaya is probably that most girls in Cambodia only go with a customer if they like him. A girl can say no to me and 5 minuts later say yes to you. Most girls say yes to me, hehe.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?937-Phnom-Penh&p=1894254[/URL]#post1894254. See my report from 06-15-16[/QUOTE]Well I don't know how many times you have visited Cambodia, or how long you stay there, so maybe you are just more experienced then I am, or I just got super unlucky this time.

My problem is more of my personality, I normally don't like to fight for the price in an attempt to lower it for a buck or so, so I prefer places where I know the "standard" price and I pay it with no drama.

So when the girl demands 50 $ and won't lower it, I just pass on them.

Some of them say then OK 25-30 $ is OK, but after the sex they begin the game from the start with 50 $, and the last thing I want is some screaming naked women in my hotel room at night.

I am in Vietnam now, and I met here several local women for 25 $ with no problem and no hassle, even though the bar scene is less open here.

[QUOTE=Wanderer9577;1932791] As far as the pure take out places, could you name a couple.
Thanks![/QUOTE]Per AskAsk, the most famous is [URL]http://www.cyrcee.com/.[/URL] BF was $10, ST BTW $25-50, depending on whether you go across the street or take back to your room for a couple of hours. Never did LT. The rooms across the street are $5. 00, bring your own condoms (they charge $5 per condom). As usual, negotiate services upfront.

My other favorite non-pure take out is Loco. Owned by honest expat, low pressure, ladies plentiful. But not all go out so ask owner for recommendations, you won't get ripped-off.

[QUOTE=SoulBrother;1932995]Well I don't know how many times you have visited Cambodia, or how long you stay there, so maybe you are just more experienced then I am, or I just got super unlucky this time.

My problem is more of my personality, I normally don't like to fight for the price in an attempt to lower it for a buck or so, so I prefer places where I know the "standard" price and I pay it with no drama.

So when the girl demands 50 $ and won't lower it, I just pass on them.

Some of them say then OK 25-30 $ is OK, but after the sex they begin the game from the start with 50 $, and the last thing I want is some screaming naked women in my hotel room at night.

I am in Vietnam now, and I met here several local women for 25 $ with no problem and no hassle, even though the bar scene is less open here.[/QUOTE]I come to Cambodia 4 time every year. Stay 2 or 3 weeks. I don't do to much mongering now, because I spend most time with my girlfriend. Maybe you was just unlucky. I always do like this:

"Usually I talk a bit with the girl first. Buy a drink and a ladydrink. Then I ask if she would go with me. If she says yes I tell her what I want and what I would pay her. On my last trip to PP I asked 4 girls. All said yes and all accepted the amount as I offered. ".

I never tried that a girl demanded more after the sesion. I always take girls for LT.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1933035]Per AskAsk, the most famous is [URL]http://www.cyrcee.com/.[/URL] BF was $10, ST BTW $25-50, depending on whether you go across the street or take back to your room for a couple of hours. Never did LT. The rooms across the street are $5. 00, bring your own condoms (they charge $5 per condom). As usual, negotiate services upfront.

My other favorite non-pure take out is Loco. Owned by honest expat, low pressure, ladies plentiful. But not all go out so ask owner for recommendations, you won't get ripped-off.[/QUOTE]Thank you! I have added that information to my notes locked in a secure place on my phone for when I arrive. Just counting down the days now!

All,

First, apologies for not replying in time to some PM's. I had some really demanding business travel and an equally demanding personal trip to the Kingdom of wonders and haven"t been able to read up.

I was in Phnom Penh fot 10 days mid / end of August to sort out some personal matters. As I had hinted in some earlier post, I had made the mistake to get involved with a girl early this year who quite caused a bit of trouble.

Long story short, I wanted to fully understand what and who I got involved with. Turned out it was worse than one could expect, and since by stuff with her is sorted I figured a little warning may be in order. My intent is actually NOT to badmouth the girl, that would be a bit quite narrow-minded.

Lina Vong a / k / a Sreyoun Aihdisdiz aka a lot of other names is working out of Soraya mall. This is her Facebook page, but beware, she may look different: [URL]https://www.facebook.com/hanna.vonghanna[/URL].

What I did not know when meeting her was first, that almost all drugs pushed around Soraya come from her and that she, together with a Barang and a Khmer dude, organize most of the girls not only around Soraya.

She loves to ask guys to smoke up a bit on drugs, first selling them the stuff for triple price and then calling in PP police. Luckily, I have an aversion against anything which does not come in longneck bottles, but apparently two guys had to bribe their way out. She also makes pictures or vids, and copies phone address books for the purpose of blackmail. Most of the girls around Soraya are seemingly indebted to her and will do her bidding. That includes Ara, a stunningly petite, 22+old Khmer beauty, Nay, slim, 20+, petite but big boobs, Chanya, 25+ mute working in the first establishment on the right of Soraya and a few others.

It seems like she has access at least to some low ranking police in PP, enough to make some blackmail scams possible. No matter if allegations are true, in PP you either pay the blackmailer or the police to get out of any jam. I narrowly avoided it by taking the first flight out of there, and that's a first for me. I did not believe she could put pressure on me when I filed some complaints but learned otherwise.

Now I don't want to be a spoil sport and PP is still lots of fun. Outside Soraya. And that includes Pontoon and HoD. Her influence is Zero.

- Be careful what girl you take out.

- NEVER EVER allow a local girl to use your phone.

- lock your stuff and especially passport in the safe.

- DO NOT do drugs. Especially not with one of the girls. If you get involved in any kind, QUADRUPLECHECK any story.

- Be VERY careful if a girl changes her phone numbers frequently.

- You still CAN get SIM cards without registration, But either way, again, avoid lending phone, card or both to a girl.

- It is a good idea not to give any girl your real name or home adress.

- I noticed that some guy in the hotel taped the action in my room. Not sure if that was his personal little enterprise or if he did that on L. 's behalf. Needless to say, he does not have any tapes, got fired and needed some medical attention. Still, gives one something to think about especially if you are married.

I never had such issues before and figure I won't have them again. I got lucky this time and was smart enough to check certain things although I should have employed some measures earlier. Another guy she worked on was in head over heels, he "loaned "her his daughter's college fund and, upon learning who and what she was resorted to physical violence which is always the worst of options.

I do not figure anyone on here would be lured by such offer, but just in case: L. Is also offering her daughter for services. I do not know if for real or just for purpose of blackmail, but anyhow, you should be clear that such thing constitutes a crime in almost any jurisdiction and will get you in deeper trouble than you can imagine. I have thought long and hard whether or not to post this on here and can but hope I have not violated any policies. For this reason I have omitted the email addys I have of L.

The pictures where she has those injuries she sent me after the guy whose daughters college fund she gambled away had messed her up and she needed money. Since I knew by then who and what she was I did not feel inclined to help.

I will be back in PP end of this year, this time hopefully for fun and pleasure. Stay safe, all of you, and have a good time.

[QUOTE=KennyRogers;1933128]- Be careful what girl you take out..[/QUOTE]Not my type, but thanks for the warning. Really.

[QUOTE=Wanderer9577;1932260]Hey guys,

I'm going on my first trip to PP for a couple of days as a side trip from Pattaya in October. Have a couple of questions that maybe some of you can help me with.

1. What is the process after landing at the airport. I assume I will have to fill out an immigration card like I do for Thailand. I know I will have to bring a passport style picture for the visa but at what point does that come into play? When I'm going through immigration or just after? I also know the visa is around $30.

2. What is the average cost for a tuk tuk from the airport into the city? I have seen somewhere that is it in the $8-15 but haven't been able to confirm it.

3. The girls. Are the beer bars, places the same as in Pattaya? What I mean is, do you simply walk in and look around before settling on a woman to talk to?

4. Most important, how do you tell if the women are of the legal age? Yeah, I can ask for the ID but, since I can't speak / read the language how do you determine their age from their ID?

Thanks![/QUOTE]1. You'll need to fill out an immigration card which you'll find near the visa desk. You then hand over the card along with your passport and photo to the officer at the visa desk. From there you go along to the payment desk to the far right. They'll process your visa and put it onto a full page of your passport and give it to the payment officer. When you see the payment officer with your passport, go to the desk and pay.

2. Don't worry about taking a taxi / tuk tuk from inside the airport. Walk out to the road (follow the others going the same way) and there'll be plenty of tuk tuks lined up out there. I paid $6 or $7 (can't remember) in April to go to 130st. You may be able to get it cheaper if you bargain heavily but I was ok with that amount.

3. The bars are mostly indoors although some have an outdoor seating part. Be aware that not all girls go with customers so verify that she'll go with you before you invest heavily in LDs.

4. If you're concerned about legality, just don't go with anyone you have doubts about. I've not seen any bar girls in PP who even looked borderline legal so it's never been a concern for me.

Most of all, just enjoy the place and have a great time. It's a lot less manic than Pattaya which can be a nice change.

[QUOTE=AussieFella;1935314]1. You'll need to fill out an immigration card which you'll find near the visa desk. You then hand over the card along with your passport and photo to the officer at the visa desk. From there you go along to the payment desk to the far right. They'll process your visa and put it onto a full page of your passport and give it to the payment officer. When you see the payment officer with your passport, go to the desk and pay.

2. Don't worry about taking a taxi / tuk tuk from inside the airport. Walk out to the road (follow the others going the same way) and there'll be plenty of tuk tuks lined up out there. I paid $6 or $7 (can't remember) in April to go to 130st. You may be able to get it cheaper if you bargain heavily but I was ok with that amount.

3. The bars are mostly indoors although some have an outdoor seating part. Be aware that not all girls go with customers so verify that she'll go with you before you invest heavily in LDs.

4. If you're concerned about legality, just don't go with anyone you have doubts about. I've not seen any bar girls in PP who even looked borderline legal so it's never been a concern for me.

Most of all, just enjoy the place and have a great time. It's a lot less manic than Pattaya which can be a nice change.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. I am making some notes to keep on my phone for when I get there. For #4, did you mean you don't take out bar girls in PP? From your comment, you stated "who even looked borderline legal. " So was wondering if you meant they all look [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] to you or if you meant you never saw any that looked [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url].

[QUOTE=Wanderer9577;1935566]Thanks for the reply. I am making some notes to keep on my phone for when I get there. For #4, did you mean you don't take out bar girls in PP? From your comment, you stated "who even looked borderline legal. " So was wondering if you meant they all look (something) to you or if you meant you never saw any that looked (something).[/QUOTE]I meant that all girls I've seen in PP bars were clearly over the age of 18. Most easily in their early to mid 20's. Still, if you see anyone who you think may possibly be not of legal age, you should probably rule her out if you're worried about fucking anyone illegal.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1933602]Not my type, but thanks for the warning. Really.[/QUOTE]Pleasure, buddy. Be careful twice, L. Is organzing the girls at Soraya. My hotel manager told me he knows of three people who got blackmailed and, because they did not pay, wifey or employer got some nasty vids or links.

Things are really going downhill there, although HoD, LE Cycrcee and Pontoon are still fun.

I guess my experience just proves that there is no such thing than being TOO careful and that even a seasoned and hardened mongerer's soft spot can be exploited. Never thought such thing could happen to me and would've joked about seeing anyone else doing what I did.

Anyhow, I did get out without big issues but some ruffled feathers of pride, and if my report can keep someone else out of trouble I'd say it was worth it.

Cheers, Kenny.

Hello all,

Hope this report provide some pointers for first time monger / visitor in PP.

Logistics to getting into PP:

1) If you have already applied and printed the evisa (you can apply through [URL]https://www.evisa.gov.kh/[/URL], it costs 37 USD) You directly fill the arrival & departure card and go for the immigration clearance. You'll save 30 minutes of your time.

2) For on arrival visa, it will cost 30 USD. Carry one passport size photograph handy to attach in visa application form. Go to counter for "On arrival Visa", the process is fairly quick and will take 10-15 minutes, before going to immigration clearance.

3) Convert USD to local Cambodian riels. (1 USD approx 4000 riels). In almost everyplace USD is accepted accepted with currency in return for small denomination in riels. There are two exchange inside the terminal, where you can change.

4) Buy a local SIM card, just after the arrival exit you can find 4 - 5 shops (opp to costa coffee). For 5 USD they have unlimited data plan. (There are half a dozen telecom company, after inquiring a localite, I chose Metfone Sim. Smart axa signal also found consistent).

5) Airport to Downtown: If your hotel doesn't have pickup service, you can take airport taxi just opposite to the arrival (it ll cost 12 USD fixed price). For tuk tuk you need to go little further or outside airport (costs 6-9 USD). Yet another Cheaper option is to take local bus BRT service (its only 1500 riels to city. The bus stop is located outside the airport and is at walkable distance. There are three routes, wiki it before this, you can save time and money.

Where to stay:

1) Most of the hotels are guest friendly. I did confirmed at the reception and they said no issues if girl brings ID along with her. After the girl leaves, they call you to double check that everything is fine. Depending on your budget and the activity list you may chose one in street 51 Bar street / Street 172 / Riverside / Guest house street.

Where to find girls:

1) Its easy and there are many outlets to pickup girls from the bar. (read prev report on the happening spots Cycree, Candybar,69 and many or simply stroll nearby bar area).

2) To get FL girls go to central market area, Soraya mall or any tourist spot. I was approached by at least one or two girls at these places.

3) Yet another option I feel one can easily find local girls is through plethora of apps available now. I found many girls in wechat and they were very responsive. You have to give hotel room number they will be at your doorsteps.

Prices:

1) Price is more or less same as mentioned in the ISG posts.

Report day 1: 13 Sep 16.

After seeing cute khmer girls the day before, I wanted to have khmer girl for night. I thought to check girls nearby through wechat app before hitting to bar circuit. Within an hour I got responses from almost all the girls I contacted. I asked them to send their photographs & discussed what I wanted, all quoted 100 $ for LT initially but reduced later on. I selected one khmer girl, she agreed for 50 $ LT. In the pic she was very cute & attractive but when she came to the hotel room, I found her to be not tall but around 5 ft, 45 kg, 22 years old busty in a very revealing dress. She was small but had a firm body & huge Bush. After few minutes of chit-chatting, she went to bathroom, changed to towel and came to bed and again started discussing the price. I told her everything as been already agreed on phone nothing extra or she can leave. She hesitantly agreed but started hurrying me, she played with my tool and cuddled me. I was exploring her body and she was moaning "no more". I asked for BJ, she started with HJ. She refused DATY. I flipped her down and started, she said no anal. I turned her again continued and ejaculated. After few minutes she read some text in her phone and she went to bathroom. I thought she is taking shower for next round. But she came up in her dress told some bullshit story that she came only for ST and her taxi waiting downstairs. I was furious but I don't want to get into argument. She asked me how much I can give. I gave 20 $ note and asked her to leave. She accepted and went. I was disappointed as there was no GFE but okay I had the khmer flag in list.

Have fun,

Mer

Been in PP for a few days with work so options to bring back to hotel not easy. Decided to try Cycree to see what that is like. Found it very easily and walked into the bar. Small bar with about 15 girls when I arrived. Most looked about 20 years old with petite bodies and very cute faces. Not the most stunning girls but compared to western stuff that I have to put up with they are dolls.

Spotted one that had a very nice rack and very pretty face. A few minutes talking and a drink and we were off to a nearby hotel. Very nice body with very firm breasts. Overall not quite a GFE but very attentive and keen to please. I think next time will be a lot better as we struck a bit of a connection.

Overall the place is worth of visit if you want a quick time with the comfort of being off the radar so to speak. Price, well I will say that it was money well spent. Will be back for another round.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=AussieFella;1935762]I meant that all girls I've seen in PP bars were clearly over the age of 18. Most easily in their early to mid 20's. Still, if you see anyone who you think may possibly be not of legal age, you should probably rule her out if you're worried about fucking anyone illegal.[/QUOTE]Thanks! That is what I thought you meant but wanted to confirm. I now have 7 days to go before hopping the plane to Bangkok, Pattaya, PP and then back to Bangkok for trip back home.

Hi,

Anyone has experience heading to Massa Street 252?

I'm wondering if I were to opt for full service would that include Sex & BJ?

Also is condom provided or I would need to get one outside.

Lastly is it a safe place to go to? I don't want to be scammed or robbed.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Mercer143;1936211]3) Convert USD to local Cambodian riels. (1 USD approx 4000 riels). In almost everyplace USD is accepted accepted with currency in return for small denomination in riels. There are two exchange inside the terminal, where you can change.[/QUOTE]Do NOT convert your USD to riels. The country uses USD $ and yes, when you pay in $, you will get some riels back. Keep $1, $5, $20.00 as these notes you will use mostly. Hotels you may pay by $100.00 notes. If you change your money to riels, you'll need a suitcase to carry the riels with you! Most things are cheap and hence you only need to carry small amount of currency with you. Generally, only in the country side riels are used more. But you do your simple conversion of $1 / 4000 riels are pay accordingly in dollar or from the bulging pockets where you have kept your riel change!

Massa is a safe place to go and you will have no issues with getting scammed unless your negotiation skills in the room cave in. Simply have your driver stay close by as I sent mine just up the road a bit for a drink and with instructions to have a cold one ready for me in an hour. Then head up and you will be greeted by the lady at the desk who will take to a small seating area to where you will view some average talent and ethnic backgrounds from within a small fishbowl. Choose and pay the 10 bucks. The desk lady is not too friendly or pushy. Your chosen cum dumpster will guide you up another flight of stairs to a dingy room where the air conditioning is activated. Up to you on shower but she will have one immediately. Upon return the half ass massage begins. BTW, have her tape that cardboard flap over the small door window as to not have the onlookers. She will have the extra small condoms and would recommend you bring your own. It seems the initial Boom quote is always a hundred and have always got them down to 40 which includes the oral prep work pre boom. The girl will take you to the shower and clean you up after. Watch your step up into this rear slippery cubicle and bring your belongings in their with you. It ain't the most sanitary looking shower or room but I enjoy the service and attitudes of the girls. Up to you on tip but they have been all happy with the $40.

[QUOTE=FreeWillyBruh2;1939046]Massa is a safe place to go and you will have no issues with getting scammed unless your negotiation skills in the room cave in. Simply have your driver stay close by as I sent mine just up the road a bit for a drink and with instructions to have a cold one ready for me in an hour. Then head up and you will be greeted by the lady at the desk who will take to a small seating area to where you will view some average talent and ethnic backgrounds from within a small fishbowl. Choose and pay the 10 bucks. The desk lady is not too friendly or pushy. Your chosen cum dumpster will guide you up another flight of stairs to a dingy room where the air conditioning is activated. Up to you on shower but she will have one immediately. Upon return the half ass massage begins. BTW, have her tape that cardboard flap over the small door window as to not have the onlookers. She will have the extra small condoms and would recommend you bring your own. It seems the initial Boom quote is always a hundred and have always got them down to 40 which includes the oral prep work pre boom. The girl will take you to the shower and clean you up after. Watch your step up into this rear slippery cubicle and bring your belongings in their with you. It ain't the most sanitary looking shower or room but I enjoy the service and attitudes of the girls. Up to you on tip but they have been all happy with the $40.[/QUOTE]I been getting P4P for 20 bucks, around the world forever. And Cambodia is much poorer than most. You wimps are driving up prices!

[QUOTE=Wanderer9577;1937539]Thanks! That is what I thought you meant but wanted to confirm. I now have 7 days to go before hopping the plane to Bangkok, Pattaya, PP and then back to Bangkok for trip back home.[/QUOTE]This under* debate keeps me quite amused. I ponder is it the fact that they are not legal that gets people off, is it that they are ephebophile or worse, or is it purely a looks young type scenario.

Compared to where I'm from many girls in these countries could pass for being under* but due to their birth certificate they are at times 25/26.

I remember not long ago in Phil I had a little spinner and her ass could fit in my hand and I was laying there thinking if I close my eyes this could be a 9/10 year old (not that that's what I'm all about). And yes she was legal.

Also their "prettiness" of their face makes them look much younger and at times innocent.

So how about check ID, check facts, do a few tests as recommended and then close your eyes and imagine.

Isn't it all a fantasy anyway. Or GO TO JAIL. GO STRAIGHT TO JAIL.

My thoughts.

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1939170]I been getting P4P for 20 bucks, around the world forever. And Cambodia is much poorer than most. You wimps are driving up prices![/QUOTE]Perhaps but this American sausage ain't no 3 minute champ. They are treated well and driven long and hard for that 40 bucks and earn every penny bruh!

[QUOTE=FreeWillyBruh2;1939046]Massa is a safe place to go and you will have no issues with getting scammed unless your negotiation skills in the room cave in. Simply have your driver stay close by as I sent mine just up the road a bit for a drink and with instructions to have a cold one ready for me in an hour. Then head up and you will be greeted by the lady at the desk who will take to a small seating area to where you will view some average talent and ethnic backgrounds from within a small fishbowl. Choose and pay the 10 bucks. The desk lady is not too friendly or pushy. Your chosen cum dumpster will guide you up another flight of stairs to a dingy room where the air conditioning is activated. Up to you on shower but she will have one immediately. Upon return the half ass massage begins. BTW, have her tape that cardboard flap over the small door window as to not have the onlookers. She will have the extra small condoms and would recommend you bring your own. It seems the initial Boom quote is always a hundred and have always got them down to 40 which includes the oral prep work pre boom. The girl will take you to the shower and clean you up after. Watch your step up into this rear slippery cubicle and bring your belongings in their with you. It ain't the most sanitary looking shower or room but I enjoy the service and attitudes of the girls. Up to you on tip but they have been all happy with the $40.[/QUOTE]I don't know if there is much point in posting this, but here is the current situation at Yang Mei formerly known as Yang Chou on street 252 (people referring to it as 'Massa' on this board are simply parroting drivers saying 'massage'.

[B]The price for one hour is $6.[/B] Not $10, never has been, and considering what a filthy dump the place is never should be. [B]For sex I give the girl $25 on top of that,[/B] have never paid more there. The quality just isn't worth it.

Those are the prices at time of writing. If anyone wants to take note and profit from this well and good, but I don't have high hopes. Surely in a week or so another poster will be writing about managing to get the girls there for 'just $50'.

I'm guessing, but presume drivers are always taking punters to YM when asked for 'massa' because they are getting a kick back from the mamasan. If you don't balk at being quoted a $10 ticket price it gives the signal that the girls can charge you double or more.

Had a week in PP but limited in action due to work commitments. I did manage to check out a few of the bars along the river front. Was a few years since I was last in the bars but not much has changed. Dropped into the regular ones that are mentioned in the forums but did not find anything to my liking. Was walking past the Helicoptor bar and saw a lot of girls out the front. One particularly appealed to me as she was taller and well built. Decided to say Hello, and then went into the bar. Standard bar with seats and a long drinking bar and pool table down the back. Proceeded to play pool with my date and a few of her friends. After a about one hour we left with a friend and hit a few clubs. Eventually we ended up at Pontoon. Has not changed much since I was last there. Usual high number of FLs as well as backpackers and expats. Place was pumping for a week night and there were some very attractive girls there. However I had two of my own so I was pretty happy with my lot.

Eventually took my date back to the hotel although it was very late. Had a great session, very GFE and great technique. Decided that she was a keeper so I got her number and had a few nights with her after work. Great fun and a really good companion.

Did also try Darlin Darlin. Yes the girls thee are dressed nicer and present well, however I have been around the high end bars over the years and find that the service is too unpredictable to justify the price. Decided that the night was better spent looking and not buying. Maybe next time when I have a lot more time.

In all, PP was as I remembered it. Lots and lots of girls and the cost is still great value compared to a lot of the other hunting grounds.

Keep hunting.

I need to make a Thai visa run and have decided to head to PP. Having been disappointed with Singapore last run I hope to make amends in PP.

I've been reading my way backwards and am now in July, 2016 posts. I have also read the fantastic reviews from IllusionHeart from August, 2015. Thank you everyone for your contributions. My apologies but I will likely have a few newbie questions this week. Yes, a field report after my 2-3 day trip will follow.

Out of the places I have read to date, LE Cyrcee is likely the place I would lean towards. I like simple easy pick a girl and go type places. Thermae in Bangkok would be the best example of what I like. I'd much prefer to take these girls to a nicer hotel than a ST room but have also read comments that Cyrcee girls want to get the deed done in 10 minutes. How much time are they willing to spend with me to come back to my room near Riverside?

Also, does it make a big difference if I check these places out on a Mon Tue vs. A Fri Sat? Do many girls only work weekends or do they seem to work 7 days a week like Thai girls? I see from the Cyrcee website it's open from 6 pm til 2 am. What time do most of the girls show up?

Are these Cyrcee photos recent? There are definitely some I would go for in the photos.

Finally, I have a preference to petite skinny cute Vietnamese girls preferably under 30. Any leads to some bars where I can find some would be great. No interest in 40 year olds.

My apologies if my questions have been answered in the posts I have already read. Thanks for helping this PP newbie out.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1945139]I need to make a Thai visa run and have decided to head to PP. Having been disappointed with Singapore last run I hope to make amends in PP.

I've been reading my way backwards and am now in July, 2016 posts. I have also read the fantastic reviews from IllusionHeart from August, 2015. Thank you everyone for your contributions. My apologies but I will likely have a few newbie questions this week. Yes, a field report after my 2-3 day trip will follow.

Out of the places I have read to date, LE Cyrcee is likely the place I would lean towards. I like simple easy pick a girl and go type places. Thermae in Bangkok would be the best example of what I like. I'd much prefer to take these girls to a nicer hotel than a ST room but have also read comments that Cyrcee girls want to get the deed done in 10 minutes. How much time are they willing to spend with me to come back to my room near Riverside?

Also, does it make a big difference if I check these places out on a Mon Tue vs. A Fri Sat? Do many girls only work weekends or do they seem to work 7 days a week like Thai girls? I see from the Cyrcee website it's open from 6 pm til 2 am. What time do most of the girls show up?

Are these Cyrcee photos recent? There are definitely some I would go for in the photos.

Finally, I have a preference to petite skinny cute Vietnamese girls preferably under 30. Any leads to some bars where I can find some would be great. No interest in 40 year olds.

My apologies if my questions have been answered in the posts I have already read. Thanks for helping this PP newbie out.[/QUOTE]I'm in PP now and was looking for some cute Vietnamese spinners. Didn't find any, but then again I got stuck at the 5th bar I visited. I was planning to check out cyrcee until I met a cute spinner at the 5th bar and just had to bar fine her.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1945139]I'd much prefer to take these girls to a nicer hotel than a ST room but have also read comments that Cyrcee girls want to get the deed done in 10 minutes. How much time are they willing to spend with me to come back to my room near Riverside?[/QUOTE]10 minutes seems like an exaggeration, but they talk about the professional hour, which is 50 minutes. For the ST room across the street, my guess is that they'll make a comment at the 40 minute mark so they can leave at the 50 minute mark. But of course, YMMV.

The popular girls might be hesitate to go to the Riverside hotel for the standard 1 hour ST. Since it takes time to drive to and back from the Riverside, some of the girls don't want to go there for just 1 hour. For their standard ST tip, the girls will ask for $30, but they should accept $25. What I do is to offer them $40 for 2 hours to go to my Riverside hotel. All the girls will accept that offer. Not sure how much lower tip amount they'll accept. Also, the unpopular desperate girls should accept less for more time.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1945139]Also, does it make a big difference if I check these places out on a Mon Tue vs. A Fri Sat?[/QUOTE]Only difference is the crowds. More busy on Saturday.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1945139]Do many girls only work weekends or do they seem to work 7 days a week like Thai girls? I see from the Cyrcee website it's open from 6 pm til 2 am. What time do most of the girls show up?[/QUOTE]Most of them work 7 days a week. They do leave sometimes for their provinces. Hassan, the owner, is strict with the girls. If a popular girl is sick, he makes them come in, and sleep it off upstairs. He's afraid of the girls going out with the customers without paying the barfine.

Most of the girls show up around 6 or 7, although they will be upstairs putting on make-up. The girls need to come in early, or else the bar penalizes them by not giving them their commission for their lady drinks.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1945139]Are these Cyrcee photos recent? There are definitely some I would go for in the photos.[/QUOTE]It seems several years old. Some girls in the 4 pictures repeat. There are a few girls in those pictures that are still working there. IMO, there will be 2 or 3 you will like, especially if you like 3-somes!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1945139]Finally, I have a preference to petite skinny cute Vietnamese girls preferably under 30. Any leads to some bars where I can find some would be great. No interest in 40 year olds.[/QUOTE]In 2004, the answer would have been easy, and you would have been absolutely satisfied. Right now, I'm not sure.

You could do a visa run to Saigon for the skinny cute Viets.

Thanks so much, Greenbud. I have no problem paying 2-3 hours. Just much rather be in a nicer place than a ST hotel. My first option was Ho Chi Minh over PP but getting info on Vietnam is like pulling teeth and would be too frustrating for me to go to a place, see a super hot girl, only to find out she doesn't boom boom. You answered my most important question well. I will go to PP earlier in the week. Same girls and fewer guys is always better imo.

Sock, let us know if you find any Vietnamese or any great places this week.

I spent some time bar hopping and want to point out some things.

There are alot more lady boys. For the well trained eye, they don't hold up against ladyboys in thailand, so veterans should be able to spot them easily.

Many bars seem to have 1 or 2 lady boys mixed in with the girls. This is not my preference because the ones in PP are on the aggressive side and I'd rather not have one stroking my arm or face in the line up with real girls. I prefer how it is in thailand, where ladyboys have their own bar. Its not 100% true, but mostly.

Candy Bar is a ladyboy bar. A few real ladies mixed in, but avoid it if you don't like ladyboys.

Candy Bar, Butterfly bar and 69 bar are owned by the same guy. The girls travel between those bars freely, including the lady boys.

Still didn't find any viet girls. I'm not sure where to look, so I'll probably start asking the next night I'm out.

Barfine is $10 at every single bar I went to. I hit up about 10 of them. I think its standard across the board. The price of the girl is negotiated with the girl. I was able to take a 21 year old spinner, flawless skin, no kids and a 8 in my book for $50 long time. She started at $80 and I haggled down.

Not many girls are experienced in the art of pleasing a man. Many don't do BJ's or do them very poorly. I've yet to find a girl that will do anal. Not that I'm looking for anal, but just inquiring to see if the social stigma has changed. Many girls think something is wrong in your head if you like anal. Its a fun conversation to have with the girl. Keep in mind that my sample size is limited to young spinners under 25. I'm not interested in any of the bigger or older women.

A few random thoughts and experiences in PP last month.

My thanks guys, to all the info I've gleaned from your posts in the last few years.

I had 10 days there tagged on the end of 8 weeks in Pattaya. In short, I liked it, next year I might share my time 50/50 between Pattaya and PP.

Cheap beers, good willing girls, prices ok, fun sightseeing, hotels reasonable, I like a swimming pool for daytime relaxing.

A few girl experiences.

I like mine a bit older 25-30 even up to about 40. At my vintage it's not enough that they've got tits, mouth ass and pussy, for me they need some experience in how to use them.

Took a 35 yo from VVIP bar on 136st, agreed to $50 LT + $10 BF, even though I let her go after about 3 hours but very happy. Two nights later a mate and I went in about 1 am, we were the only customers so we took over the music, playing a few fun oldies, singing along and dancing around, buying a few lady drinks for some of them incl the 35 yo. Next thing she sneakily grabbed my hand and slipped it down the front of her jeans shorts. She was dripping wet. I gave her the WOW surprised look and she said, 'I so happy to see you again, you and your friend having a good time make me horny' Needless to say she beat out the younger competition and made the sale, another fun night with her.

Also on 136 is Helicopter Bar. I took another 30 something from there and had a fun night, even took her phone number. Couple of nights later I'm in my hotel (near 136) too lazy to go out and rang her to come over. On the phone she said "Sure but I have period, tonight you have to fuck my mouth, fuck my ass" her words. You can tell from my username I'm happy to oblige when a girl wants to give me access to all her assets, so another good night had.

This PP is a fun town.

I also took her for a couple of nights to Kep and Kampot.

But a warning:

A couple of the nights I drank in her bar there was a young girl sitting with us. I was told she is 19 yo, learning English, not go with customers. On the 2nd night I said I'm not comfortable she looks too young and sent her away. In Kampot she showed me photos, told me the girl was her daughter and was 15 yo. Just trying to get a few tips from customers to pay for her English school.

So that was the end of that relationship, I sent mama back to PP alone and never went in Helicopter bar again.

In saying that I do believe the money for school story and she wasn't going with customers, but I just didn't want to be around it.

I was paying mama $40 + BF per night.

Pontoon is a fun disco with plenty of FLs every night. One stunner showed me a pic of a lipstick that she wanted to buy, on her phone. Told me it cost $80, I didn; t buy it for her.

Shanghai is a civilised bar for a drink and a bite and they have takeout waitresses, nice.

Had a few other good experiences too, (maybe I'll get around to posting them, but I'm a 2 finger typist) and one not so good (very bad case of mummy tummy) and laziness.

That's probably enough detail for this post.

After spending the day walking around I want to share some observations.

The city is finally modernizing. When I was here 3 years ago, KFC was probably the only Franchise. You now see a wide range of business. Many of which cater to foreigners.

Sorya Mall has a grocery store. Like a real grocery store, with brands and items from the western world. Prices are labeled and fixed now. No more haggling for every item you want to buy. This is a sign that things are getting better.

There has been significant improvement in Sorya mall. There is an actual food court. They are using a cash card system. Which is annoying, but I understand why many malls do this. The food selection was actually pretty good and facilities appeared clean and modern.

There is an internet shop near Cycree. I happened to stumble across it while walking from the mall to Cycree. Never thought I'd see the day. This isn't like a cafe that has free wi fi. It was dedicated to computer gaming. I peaked in and it was mostly locals, so I am assuming it caters to the higher class. I don't think many locals can afford to sit in front of a computer and play games all day.

Now if they can just do something about air quality, PP might not be half bad.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1945176]...Sock, let us know if you find any Vietnamese or any great places this week.[/QUOTE]I met a lovely Viet girl in Darlin Darlin last year. I had her over at my hotel a couple of nights during my stay. Expensive but well worth to me. Macau is another place where I go with Vietnamese chicks only. They also have plenty of them in Jakarta, at Alexis.

Next month, I plan to finally visit Ho Chi Minh City, and hoping to indulge in my one of my favorite delicacies.

Golden vine has them on st 108.

[QUOTE=Islandboy54;1945826]Golden vine has them on st 108.[/QUOTE]Street 136 too. Walk two blocks away from riverside and you will find a few Viet KTV's. Nothing else than any other bar but FS options on site.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1823400]

You can also get Visa on arrival. 30 dollar + 3 dollar if you don't bring picture. You get it from a special counter in the arrival area. You can not make mistake.[/QUOTE]How much longer is the immigration procedure if I do not bring a passport photo?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1946702]How much longer is the immigration procedure if I do not bring a passport photo?[/QUOTE]Now a days pp airport is quite big. Secondly it depends what time is your flight. For me I landed around 4 and it took me just 10 minutes. It's not like Bangkok where you have to wait. You go to Voa counter, there are three windows, you give passport at first window and walk to thirds where you pay 30 usd and you have a visa.

It should take 15 minutes at most.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1946702]How much longer is the immigration procedure if I do not bring a passport photo?[/QUOTE]It is not longer. You just pay extra 2 or 3 dollar.

[QUOTE=Sock111;1945603]Sorya Mall has a grocery store. Like a real grocery store, with brands and items from the western world. Prices are labeled and fixed now. No more haggling for every item you want to buy. This is a sign that things are getting better.[/QUOTE]I think Lucky Supermarket has been there ever since Sorya Mall opened back in 2003. It's not the best in town but it's not bad and the location is convenient.

Most of the new development these days is a little further out, like Aeon Mall, so anybody hanging out in the main tourist area between the Central Market and the river doesn't see much of it. (Well, except for all those big buildings going up on the skyline.) But no question, the town is growing and changing and going upmarket quicker than ever seemed possible.

As for the fellow who said Shanghai has takeout hostesses -- most will not go with customers, and those who do generally require not only a barfine but first a big bar bill. And then may try to screw you for even more money. That bar was an old favorite of mine but under the current owner and his policy I've quit going. And I'm not the only one.

[QUOTE=Betong;1947459]
As for the fellow who said Shanghai has takeout hostesses -- most will not go with customers, and those who do generally require not only a barfine but first a big bar bill. And then may try to screw you for even more money. That bar was an old favorite of mine but under the current owner and his policy I've quit going. And I'm not the only one.[/QUOTE]Last year had a friendly barmaid in Shanghai. I didn't drink too much there but she appeared to indicate she enjoyed my company and so we arranged to meet after work. I was staying nearby but she wouldn't go to my hotel as someone she knew worked there. I always take those stories with a pinch of sodium chloride.

We then hired a tuk tuk and rode around a few places seeking a short time place. Suprisingly there arent that many but on the 4th place (some upstairs joint with chinese signage we found one.). Had a bonk and a HJ as I recall. She seemed to be ok with whatever I gave to help her, but really can't recall, wasnt too much and both went on our ways. .

I also recall one visit to Shanghai bar where there was a big black dude who I was told was from a US Embassy in Vietnam or Thailand. Seems he was a regular in Shanghai and had about 5 or 6 girls all fluttering around him.

But the worst memory of the place was sitting quietly by bar, drinking a beer, enjoying their internet when 4 Cambodian guys walked in, and the bar staff asked me to move so these guys could all sit at the bar. My beer was moved to somewhere with no table or chair. So I paid and left. Probably last time I was there. Apparently they were from " the government ".

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1946826]It is not longer. You just pay extra 2 or 3 dollar.[/QUOTE]$2 USD for the photo. When I handed him a $100 USD bill, he said 100 baht.

Taxi $12 USD.

Question. Is tuktuk $1 per person or $1 for 2 people? Is motorbike the same price?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1948169]Question. Is tuktuk $1 per person or $1 for 2 people? Is motorbike the same price?[/QUOTE]The coupon price for the tuk tuk to the riverside at the airport is $9. You can go outside the airport and get it for $5. The first person in line might not accept, but it will be accepted (if there is more than 1 tuk tuk in the queue).

The price for the tuk tuks are always per ride, not per person.

The local price should still be $1.25 for a normal ride.

The tuk tuk drivers will want $2 or $3 from the tourist. Actually, they want to score with a $5 ride.

Examples: From Street 136, they will accept $1.50 to go to LE Crycee or Pontoon. They will accept $2 (with complaint) to go to Naga.

I don't do motobikes. Motobikes are cheaper than tuk tuks. There should still be a night surcharge on the motobikes. They probably will ask for extra if there is more than 1 passenger. There is no night surcharge for the tuk tuks.

I surprisingly like it a lot in PP. I extended here another 5 days. Similar to Pattaya on a MUCH smaller scale. I will write something more detailed when I get a better grasp of the scene. Everything except Naga / Darling Darling is within walking distance. Oddly I find many of the bars mentioned often on boards the ones I do not prefer. Rose bar on 104 was not good at all. I met a friendly girl inside though. Angry Bird, Honeypot, or Loco on 130 disappointing. I will try them again now that I am staying longer. I prefer the girls at Sweet Lemon on 136. Some of the lesser known bars I can't recall the names to. I just see what I like and go in like I did at Playboy (forgot which street) and Top Ten on 104. Cyrcee was great one night with 3 very hot ones and terrible the next night so I can see the mixed reviews. it's all about timing. Darling Darling was ok but for the 150 price tag vs. 50-100 LT for a 136 or Cyrcee girl I'll take the bar girl. DD girls were not any better than the top bar girls. I also got the dreaded head turn from some of them. that's not happening in a bar. Bars are fun. Walk in, greeted by DFK. I usually choose 2-4 girls I like and buy a round of drinks. Then cut them. Then decide to do ST or go to next bar.

Tuktuk drivers are a pain in the ass. I'm walking a block from 136 and they ask if I need a tuktuk. Where do they think I'm going? Also it's $2 for a ride so I pay them with my spare Riel just to get rid of it. I paid $3 from 104 to Naga which is fair it's a far enough distance.

Question 1 - What are my best daytime options? Preference girls under 25, slim, busty, very cute / pretty face. I am staying near 136.

question 2 - where can I get the best steak here?

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1948199]The coupon price for the tuk tuk to the riverside at the airport is $9. You can go outside the airport and get it for $5. The first person in line might not accept, but it will be accepted (if there is more than 1 tuk tuk in the queue).

The price for the tuk tuks are always per ride, not per person.

The local price should still be $1.25 for a normal ride.

The tuk tuk drivers will want $2 or $3 from the tourist. Actually, they want to score with a $5 ride.

Examples: From Street 136, they will accept $1.50 to go to LE Crycee or Pontoon. They will accept $2 (with complaint) to go to Naga.

I don't do motobikes. Motobikes are cheaper than tuk tuks. There should still be a night surcharge on the motobikes. They probably will ask for extra if there is more than 1 passenger. There is no night surcharge for the tuk tuks.[/QUOTE]It's a long uncomfortable ride in that lousy tuk tuk rather than an air con taxi. Just to save $5. You could be bouncing around in that thing for over an hour. Only for the cheapest of Cheap Charlies.

[QUOTE=Sock111;1945483]I spent some time bar hopping and want to point out some things.

There are alot more lady boys. For the well trained eye, they don't hold up against ladyboys in thailand, so veterans should be able to spot them easily.

Many bars seem to have 1 or 2 lady boys mixed in with the girls. This is not my preference because the ones in PP are on the aggressive side and I'd rather not have one stroking my arm or face in the line up with real girls. I prefer how it is in thailand, where ladyboys have their own bar. Its not 100% true, but mostly.

Candy Bar is a ladyboy bar. A few real ladies mixed in, but avoid it if you don't like ladyboys.

Candy Bar, Butterfly bar and 69 bar are owned by the same guy. The girls travel between those bars freely, including the lady boys.

Still didn't find any viet girls. I'm not sure where to look, so I'll probably start asking the next night I'm out..[/QUOTE]No wonder everything is going to hell when people pay 50 usd for a night in Cambodia!

It used to be 20 usd (or even 10-15) for ST. 20-25 for LT.

Now, thanks to the them, it's double.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1949251]It's a long uncomfortable ride in that lousy tuk tuk rather than an air con taxi. Just to save $5. You could be bouncing around in that thing for over an hour. Only for the cheapest of Cheap Charlies.[/QUOTE]So prices have gone up in the last 12 months. I am still used to 9 $ for a taxi, 7 $ for the beige airport dedicated tuktuk an 4-5 $ for a tuk tuk just outside the airport. Taxi might have A/C but if is working. Looks like they never clean the filters from those very old cars. Arriving in rush hour with AirAsia flight from DMK I always prefer a open A/C tuktuk as it is way quicker to riverside than any car. Not for the price. And haggling them down to 4 dollar but pay 5 always do them smile and thank you sir, as long as they are not too lazy to take my suitcase to the hotel doorsteps.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1946702]How much longer is the immigration procedure if I do not bring a passport photo?[/QUOTE]BB. Fundamental component of your travel kit if you go anywhere in SE Asia or Asia is to always have a few passport pics with you.

I operate on the basis of trying to remove EVERY possible thing that might go wrong or delay me.

Photos are required in Laos and Mongolia, and you need at least one photo if you extend your visa in either place.

I always have at least 6 with me when I travel. Last time entering Laos I passed over a pic that was probably 12 months old (I had very short hair then).

The immigration officer looked at it, then at me, then back again and said with a smile "You look much older now". He let me through.

[QUOTE=Macottar;1949371]No wonder everything is going to hell when people pay 50 usd for a night in Cambodia!

It used to be 20 usd (or even 10-15) for ST. 20-25 for LT.

Now, thanks to the them, it's double.[/QUOTE]My personal experience is completely different. During my last 4 visits (=2015/2016) I never paid more than 20 $ (no matter if ST or LT) and the ladies said "Thank you" when they left. And returned to me again. I am NOT talking about the yama ladies. Of course they were not from Girlie Bars where the standard prize (my experience) starts at 50 $ ST. Never took one from any of the bars but I guess the prize is negotiable.

I had a bar girl who asked for $100 ST last night. She was in top 5 I've seen her though and better than the $150 DD girls I've seen.

Went to another popular bar written on here, Honey Pot. Other than one cute girl Uncle Volodya grabbed, the other 10 girls were dogs.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1950001]I had a bar girl who asked for $100 ST last night. She was in top 5 I've seen her though and better than the $150 DD girls I've seen.
Went to another popular bar written on here, Honey Pot. Other than one cute girl Uncle Volodya grabbed, the other 10 girls were dogs.[/QUOTE]I second everything my main man BB has to say. Last night he hooked me up with an amazing hot little spinner for all night FS. She had the most amazing little ass I have ever had the pleasure of pounding.

I happily gave her $80 the next morning and would have given more if she wasn't happy with it.


$60-100 LT is the new reality here gentleman. Get used to it. The 1990's were two decades ago. LOL.

I am sure you can get them for $30 and under too. But I don't drink bottom shelf liquor at the bar and I won't' take girls of that quality home with me form the bar either. There is nothing worse than waking up with an awful hangover and a girl curled up under your arm whom you'd gnaw your own arm off to free your self from. 555.

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle-V.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1950145]
I happily gave her $80 the next morning and would have given more if she wasn't happy with it.


$60-100 LT is the new reality here gentleman. Get used to it. The 1990's were two decades ago. LOL.
.[/QUOTE]Mine asked me $100 ST! Afraid to ask how much LT would be. If only she could speak English I would have clarified beforehand. Luckily I had a translator with me to clarify why she was so unhappy when I handed her $50. No big deal one less girl I have to buy drinks for at my club.

I should have kept my friend who I gave to Uncle V!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1950147]Mine asked me $100 ST! Afraid to ask how much LT would be. If only she could speak English I would have clarified beforehand. Luckily I had a translator with me to clarify why she was so unhappy when I handed her $50. No big deal one less girl I have to buy drinks for at my club.

I should have kept my friend who I gave to Uncle V![/QUOTE]Generous to a fault. 555.

The guys flying in for a quickie don't have time to negotiate or even learn the local prices. And us that prefer to stay for a month or two suffer these guy's inflationary behavior. Although if I only had one week in country, I would behave exactly the same way. I think the girls know the difference and charge accordingly. Will be diving into the fun in a few days. Landing in Phnom Penh. I'm bringing my stateside GF. Should be quite interesting. Her libido is more active than my own. I'm looking forward to writing a trip report. We plan on hanging out for five months. That represents a lot of pussy. One reason the guys paying 100 $/ night make it hard for me. The poster states that 50-100 $ is the new reality. That needn't be so, as the prevailing wage in Cambodia is still 2 $/ day. 20 bucks should make anyone happy. Later lonely.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1950145]I second everything my main man BB has to say. Last night he hooked me up with an amazing hot little spinner for all night FS. She had the most amazing little ass I have ever had the pleasure of pounding.

I happily gave her $80 the next morning and would have given more if she wasn't happy with it.


$60-100 LT is the new reality here gentleman. Get used to it. The 1990's were two decades ago. LOL.

I am sure you can get them for $30 and under too. But I don't drink bottom shelf liquor at the bar and I won't' take girls of that quality home with me form the bar either. There is nothing worse than waking up with an awful hangover and a girl curled up under your arm whom you'd gnaw your own arm off to free your self from. 555.

Stay horny my friends.

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1949151]

question 2 - where can I get the best steak here?[/QUOTE]"New York steak house".

No. 264,63 Preah Trasak Paem St. (63), Phnom Penh.

After living here for five years, here are some tips and recommendations.

1. Phnom Penh bars and girls are NOT the same as in Thailand or the Philippines.

2. Around 60-80% of the girls in the bars will go out with some customers.

3. Maximise your chances of getting the girl of your choice by being presentable. Smelly, badly dressed, drunk, aggressive guys will lose out.

4. If possible, learn a few words of Khmer, the local language. Just Hello, thank you, you're beautiful etc. It will make a lot of difference to how the girls treat you.

5. Suggested technique: buy the girl one drink, chat to her, establish a connection. Then ask if she sometimes goes out with customers.

6. If she says yes, you know you have a good chance (but still not guaranteed! If she says no, you know where you stand and can either cut your losses and move on, or keep drinking just for her company.

7. Prices. Always a controversial topic. Currently in the main hostess bars they range from $25-60 short time, and $40-100 long time, depending on the bar, the girl, how much she needs the money, and whether she likes you or not (refer to points 3 and 4 above).

8. If a girl quotes you $100 for short time, it's her polite way of saying she doesn't want to go out with you. Move on. (except at Darling Darling where that's the standard starting price).

9. Personally I find that if you don't try to push their price down too much, their attitude and performance is much better. Understandable really.

10. Yes there are cheaper options but the overall experience will reflect the cheaper price. Cyrcee bar in street 49 is a well known grab-and-go bar. $25-30 for short time.

11. Golden Sorya Mall on street 51 has dozens of freelancers for $15-30 short time, but they may be on drugs, rob you, or have some STD disease.

12. The riverside road near what Phnom, street 63, the road near the Japanese Friendship bridge all have street girls for $5-20 short time.

13. Some bars, notably in streets 104 and 136, will try to pad your bills with extra drinks or incorrect addition. Beware.

14. Try not to be walking alone in darker streets after 2 am if you are very drunk, or you risk being mugged by ladyboys or guys on motorcycles.

The bars have a different 'flavour' in each street.

Streets 104 and 136.

Filled with tourist-focussed bars. Very loud music, girls often aggressively seeking ladydrinks, bill padding, a general in-your-face attitude.

In street 136 try Corner Bar 136, VVIP, Xanadu, Helicopter bar, 69 bar and Sweet Lemon bar. Candy bar or Butterfly bar if you want some ladyboys. In street 104 try Rose bar (40+ girls), Airforce and Rouge bar. Oscars has live bands each night.

Street 130.

More upmarket bars with some great girls and a more relaxed feel.

Honeypot bar, Angry Birds bar, and Loco bar are the best of the bunch. Happy Times and Simply the Best may be worth a quick look. Two new small bars, X-Dream, and Black & White seem friendly.

Street 118.

Fairly ordinary bars here. At The Office bar is the best. It has girls dancing on the inside balconies at weekends and a smart interior. Island bar for ladyboys.

Street 110.

More ordinary bars. Double D bar can be a lot of fun sometimes and Pretty Woman has some cute Japanese looking girls inside. Happy Girls and Red Lion the best of some very average bars.

Street 51.

Lots of small unappealing bars. Cheap girls, cheap drinks.

Shanghai bar (50+ girls, some live music, upmarket) and Black Cat bar are both good.

This sounds like great advice and reflects me and BB's experience thus far. Thanks for posting this!

I'd only add that we really like the bars on 104 . Younger girls that are more action oriented at the bar. Though we also had a wild time at a 130 bar last night too. That bar last night would have put even Windmill to shame. 555.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1950459]After living here for five years, here are some tips and recommendations.

1. Phnom Penh bars and girls are NOT the same as in Thailand or the Philippines.

2. Around 60-80% of the girls in the bars will go out with some customers.

3. Maximise your chances of getting the girl of your choice by being presentable. Smelly, badly dressed, drunk, aggressive guys will lose out.

4. If possible, learn a few words of Khmer, the local language. Just Hello, thank you, you're beautiful etc. It will make a lot of difference to how the girls treat you.

5. Suggested technique: buy the girl one drink, chat to her, establish a connection. Then ask if she sometimes goes out with customers.

6. If she says yes, you know you have a good chance (but still not guaranteed! If she says no, you know where you stand and can either cut your losses and move on, or keep drinking just for her company.

7. Prices. Always a controversial topic. Currently in the main hostess bars they range from $25-60 short time, and $40-100 long time, depending on the bar, the girl, how much she needs the money, and whether she likes you or not (refer to points 3 and 4 above).

8. If a girl quotes you $100 for short time, it's her polite way of saying she doesn't want to go out with you. Move on. (except at Darling Darling where that's the standard starting price).

9. Personally I find that if you don't try to push their price down too much, their attitude and performance is much better. Understandable really.

10. Yes there are cheaper options but the overall experience will reflect the cheaper price. Cyrcee bar in street 49 is a well known grab-and-go bar. $25-30 for short time.

11. Golden Sorya Mall on street 51 has dozens of freelancers for $15-30 short time, but they may be on drugs, rob you, or have some STD disease.

12. The riverside road near what Phnom, street 63, the road near the Japanese Friendship bridge all have street girls for $5-20 short time.

13. Some bars, notably in streets 104 and 136, will try to pad your bills with extra drinks or incorrect addition. Beware.

14. Try not to be walking alone in darker streets after 2 am if you are very drunk, or you risk being mugged by ladyboys or guys on motorcycles.[/QUOTE]

Is there a best time to hit these popular bars like Rose Bar, Angry Bird, Loco, Honey Pot, etc. Just making sure I'm hitting them at the right time since when I went these did not have good lineups.

I was pulled in by a cute girl to Candy and Uncle V met me there. He was so disgusted! Agree it's scary there but my girl (not a ladyboy) wasn 20 and pretty cute. She wanted 100 ST then came down to 80 ST. Then she said how much do I want to pay. It was early in the night. I moved on to Street 104 which, as Uncle V says, has younger girls than 130 and 136.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1950459] If a girl quotes you $100 for short time, it's her polite way of saying she doesn't want to go out with you. Move on. [/QUOTE]

The 2 girls who quoted me $100 ST was the one at Candy and she ran across the street to literally grab me and pull me in to see her. The other was a girl who I had spent time with on a prior day in the 104 bar. She doesn't speak English so I was told 'up to you' by her friend before I took her home then she said she wanted $100 ST after sex.

I'm going to try to stick with English speaking girls moving forward. Unfortunately, the 20 year olds who just started working are the ones who seem to speak little to no English.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1950549]Is there a best time to hit these popular bars like Rose Bar, Angry Bird, Loco, Honey Pot, etc. Just making sure I'm hitting them at the right time since when I went these did not have good lineups.

I was pulled in by a cute girl to Candy and Uncle V met me there. He was so disgusted! Agree it's scary there but my girl (not a ladyboy) wasn 20 and pretty cute. She wanted 100 ST then came down to 80 ST. Then she said how much do I want to pay. It was early in the night. I moved on to Street 104 which, as Uncle V says, has younger girls than 130 and 136.



The 2 girls who quoted me $100 ST was the one at Candy and she ran across the street to literally grab me and pull me in to see her. The other was a girl who I had spent time with on a prior day in the 104 bar. She doesn't speak English so I was told 'up to you' by her friend before I took her home then she said she wanted $100 ST after sex.

I'm going to try to stick with English speaking girls moving forward. Unfortunately, the 20 year olds who just started working are the ones who seem to speak little to no English.[/QUOTE]In my experience there really isn't a "best time" to hit those bars other than to say between 8 PM - 1130 PM. I say that "it doesn't matter" because it seems that not a lot of girls get barfined based on my observations. Unlike in Bangkok or Pattaya, where you need to be there before a certain time to catch the hotter looking ones. What I do know is that some girls work different shifts. A few of the hotter ones I have met both start their shift at 10 PM at I think Xanadu and Best 136 bar.

You might look for a girl at Butterfly across from Candy. She looks like a bit like a ladyboy because she is tall, got tits and ass and slim waisted. But I know her cousin personally and she is definitely not a ladyboy. Name is Akeng. But not sure if she uses that name in the bar. When I first met her with her cousin I thought she was a ladyboy and had to look at her quite closely to decide. Her cousin told me don't worry, she gets the "are you a ladyboy?" question a lot. But I never took her out because she didn't seem to click with me.

Anyway, the selection of girls is nowhere near Bangkok or Pattaya as I am sure you realized your first few days there. Or first few minutes there. I think the actual day you go matters more than the time of day in terms of seeing better looking girls. It's hit or miss.

[QUOTE=TesterTester;1950589] because it seems that not a lot of girls get barfined based on my observations. [/QUOTE]We noticed this too. Surprising. doesn't seem like these girls have sex all that often.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1950642]We noticed this too. Surprising. doesn't seem like these girls have sex all that often.[/QUOTE]Pussies are tight! 555 seriously. Difficult to get inside and I am no John Holmes.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1950464]Street 110.

More ordinary bars. Double D bar can be a lot of fun sometimes and Pretty Woman has some cute Japanese looking girls inside. Happy Girls and Red Lion the best of some very average bars.
[/QUOTE]We hit the above listed 110 bars last night including a couple more. Other than Pretty Woman where I could have went with one of the girls, these were in and out clubs. We hopped back to 104.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1950542]This sounds like great advice and reflects me and BB's experience thus far. Thanks for posting this!

I'd only add that we really like the bars on 104 . Younger girls that are more action oriented at the bar. Though we also had a wild time at a 130 bar last night too. That bar last night would have put even Windmill to shame. 555.[/QUOTE]Hi Uncle V.

Care to name the bar on 130 that you likend to Windmill? PM me if you prefer.

Trying to stay firm my friend.

Johnier.

Hit the bars on 118. More in and out bars. Hit Blue Bird on 130. Some decent looking ones. The one I wanted was too lazy to get off her ass to follow me into the club. I bought a couple of drinks but neither girl was very hands on so I left. Visited Sweet Lemon on 136 again. Again nice girls but they seem a bit dull there. My time was limited tonight so decided to leave. Hit Cavalry bar on 136 as a random bar I had not visited yet. Enjoyed some time with a pretty girl inside who never sits outside. I really liked her but my plan was to meet with my girl so I called my girl and the rest of my night was done.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1950646]Pussies are tight! 555 seriously. Difficult to get inside and I am no John Holmes.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Your box is full I'm trying to send you info on New Years stuff! Let me know when you clear.

Hey bros,

Arriving in PP tomorrow for first time. Staying at Naga World. I've checked the site and there seems to be some dispute as to what punters are paying versus what they should be paying in this part of the world. I know that's sometimes the nature of things and my dick is a poor negotiator so would appreciate an update on what I should reasonably consider the "going rate". At Nagaworld and also in the nearby bar scene.

Thanks bros.

Darling Darling girls are generally asking for $150 US from listening to conversations of others. Up to you how well you can negotiate from that. Regular bar girls $50 makes them more than happy for ST, $80 for LT. Again, up to you to negotiate from that. I'm sure $40 for ST would be ok for most. Some girls ask $80-100 ST just walk away. I had an "up to you" for price then she wanted $100 ST after boom boom. She got $50 and was sent on her merry way.

I did not meet any girl anywhere that did not BF.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1952085]Darling Darling girls are generally asking for $150 US from listening to conversations of others. Up to you how well you can negotiate from that. Regular bar girls $50 makes them more than happy for ST, $80 for LT. Again, up to you to negotiate from that. I'm sure $40 for ST would be ok for most. Some girls ask $80-100 ST just walk away. I had an "up to you" for price then she wanted $100 ST after boom boom. She got $50 and was sent on her merry way.

I did not meet any girl anywhere that did not BF.[/QUOTE]If a girl ask for to much it is many times because she don't like you. Just walk away and find another one. In the bars in Phnom Penh. I never pay more than 40 dollar LT + BF. Many time I pay 30 dollar + BF. I never take girls ST.

Many time you can meet girls from Darling Darling late night in Poonton. If they have no custommer in DD they go to Poonton to look for custommer. Many time you can take them LT for 40 - 50 dollar.

Aske, These are the top top girls that can be taken home from all the bars for $40 LT or ones over 25 years? In all the bars I visited over 1 week there were likely only 10-15 girls I would consider ST / LT. I am pretty picky.

The girl who asked me for $100 AFTER sex was a girl who pursued me, I spent 2 nights DFK'ing and HJ from her in the bar, so I decided WTF I'll BF her. Definitely was not a case of her not liking me / my money. More so a case of thinking I was rich or a sucker. I was told on a subsequent night she is very particular who she BF with and does not go with many guys.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1952261]Aske, These are the top top girls that can be taken home from all the bars for $40 LT or ones over 25 years? In all the bars I visited over 1 week there were likely only 10-15 girls I would consider ST / LT. I am pretty picky.

The girl who asked me for $100 AFTER sex was a girl who pursued me, I spent 2 nights DFK'ing and HJ from her in the bar, so I decided WTF I'll BF her. Definitely was not a case of her not liking me / my money. More so a case of thinking I was rich or a sucker. I was told on a subsequent night she is very particular who she BF with and does not go with many guys.[/QUOTE]Yes. BB. That is true that some girl are maybe even more picky than you. I know girls who maybe only take 2 custommer every month. They wait until they find a custommer who pay top dollar for them.

I am not so picky. I take girl between 20 and 30. I like a pretty face and a slim body, but think that attitude is more important. But I have barfined many top girls in Phnom Penh and paid 30 or 40 dollar LT. Off course not from Darling darling.

Where are the really, really pretty girls? I saw one at the Sun Moon. She was very beautiful. Will ask her to have dinner with us next time I see her. But I want to find lady boys but have yet to spot one. Any suggestions?

Otherwise this is a very cool place. I've seen lots of nice looking older white men though. Looking very happy and having fun!

Hey vets,

After years of playing in the Philippines and the occasional Thai trip I have decided to do a quick 3 day weekend in PP. I've tried to keep an eye on this thread for the past year as Cambodia has always been interesting to me and apparently a cheap alternative to Pattaya. I do have a few quick questions that I am hoping vets can answer:

1) Any pay for play or areas of fun I should check out during the day time activities?

2) When I am at the airport, should I just keep USA currency or convert to local currency? This is probably the most important so I know how to deal with taxis / tuk tuks, tips, restaurants, etc.

3) Any advise on where the best freelance club would be? I'm only 29 and look way younger than that so I do want to try a night of bars and one night of clubs.

Major thanks ahead of time. Really-really pumped for this upcoming initial trip.

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1953856]Where are the really, really pretty girls? I saw one at the Sun Moon. She was very beautiful. Will ask her to have dinner with us next time I see her. But I want to find lady boys but have yet to spot one. Any suggestions?

Otherwise this is a very cool place. I've seen lots of nice looking older white men though. Looking very happy and having fun![/QUOTE]Some bars in Street 104 have them. They can be real fun in PP, just for a chat and a drink.

US currency is the main currency used in PP. All transactions done in US bills. You will get Cambodia money back as small change. Use that to pay your tuk tuks and tipping at restaurants if you feel the need to do so.

As for regular night clubs to pick up girls, why waste time unless you're trying to save $40 on a freebie. Hit 104,130, and 136 and you're good to go. You can add Darling Darling, Pontoon, and Cyrcee too. You'll have fun there. Please report back.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1954319]US currency is the main currency used in PP. All transactions done in US bills. You will get Cambodia money back as small change. Use that to pay your tuk tuks and tipping at restaurants if you feel the need to do so.[/QUOTE]I spent 3 weeks in PP in 2013 working, and I never saw any local currency. It was all small USD bills for tuk tuks etc.
In fact, I just checked my stash of left-over currencies that I bring back after various stints abroad, and I don't have an envelope of Cambodian money.

I paid every charge in USD, including my regular tuk tuk driver who used to wait for me outside my hotel.

Bring a pocket full of your small bills and hang on to them for all purchases.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1954343]I spent 3 weeks in PP in 2013 working, and I never saw any local currency. It was all small USD bills for tuk tuks etc.[/QUOTE] What happened when you went to a store, restaurant, or bar? They rounded up to the next US dollar?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1954343]I spent 3 weeks in PP in 2013 working, and I never saw any local currency. It was all small USD bills for tuk tuks etc.
In fact, I just checked my stash of left-over currencies that I bring back after various stints abroad, and I don't have an envelope of Cambodian money.

I paid every charge in USD, including my regular tuk tuk driver who used to wait for me outside my hotel.

Bring a pocket full of your small bills and hang on to them for all purchases.[/QUOTE]So if I'm coming from Australia to Cambodia is it best just to convert to US dollars when I arrive and not even worry about local currency.

I imagine like most asian countries better to exchange in Cambodia.

[QUOTE=NewImage;1954440]So if I'm coming from Australia to Cambodia is it best just to convert to US dollars when I arrive and not even worry about local currency.

I imagine like most asian countries better to exchange in Cambodia.[/QUOTE] Yes, but remember you need USD cash to pay for your visa on arrival.

Much better idea to go straight to a ATM after arrival, and the ATMs that I used dispensed USD. I stuck to ANZ (Australian bank) ATMs and tended to use them all the time, even though my cards are from HSBC Philippines. Rarely did I find one that didn't work, and you know thy are configured for international currencies.

Restaurant bills all had several options for payment (I think it was Thai baht, USD and, as I recall, Cambodian rial).

Make sure you know the respective forex rates so you can do quick computations in your head.

My recollection is hazy now, but I think I gave my friendly regular tuktuk driver 3 usd for whatever short trip we took. He was very "protective" of me and gave me lots of great advice, so I tended to look after him.

I remember I gave him 25 usd to take me to the Killing Fields (Cheung Ek) and Museum (Tuol Sleng) and wait for me. He was happy about that. I was distraught by what I experienced (easily the most distressing day of my visit to PP).

[QUOTE=NewImage;1954440]So if I'm coming from Australia to Cambodia is it best just to convert to US dollars when I arrive and not even worry about local currency.

I imagine like most asian countries better to exchange in Cambodia.[/QUOTE]Yeah if you have AUD it's easy to just exchange, I would recommend though avoiding really shitty rates at the airport exchange places and getting your taxi / tuk tuk driver to stop at anyone of the many jewellery shops around central maker for a much much better rate, like I am taking airport offering. 70 USD / AUD compared to 0.752 offered at said jewellery stores. This was 2 weeks back when official cash exchange was approx 0.7580, so depending how much you are changing definitely worth the slight trouble! Just ensure you at least have the $30 USD for visa and $7 USD /$12 USD also depending on your choice of tuk tuk or taxi.

I think almost all of the Khmer bar girls I have ben with wore a chain around their waist (gold colored and about the same thickness as the kind of chain girls wear around their necks).

Have you guys had the same experience?

Is it a Khmer thing?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1954598]I think almost all of the Khmer bar girls I have ben with wore a chain around their waist (gold colored and about the same thickness as the kind of chain girls wear around their necks).

Have you guys had the same experience?

Is it a Khmer thing?[/QUOTE]It is a kmer thing. It is for for good fortune. Not many in real gold. To expensive. Can also be in silver, other metal or just in twine. Also "good" girl wear them. Many time they get them from their mother or another close female relative.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1954598]I think almost all of the Khmer bar girls I have ben with wore a chain around their waist (gold colored and about the same thickness as the kind of chain girls wear around their necks).

Have you guys had the same experience?

Is it a Khmer thing?[/QUOTE]But they are beads and enhance fertility. I bought a bunch home a few years ago, and gave a few to my daughter. She now has five kids!

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1954661]It is a kmer thing. It is for for good fortune. Not many in real gold. To expensive. Can also be in silver, other metal or just in twine. Also "good" girl wear them. Many time they get them from their mother or another close female relative.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I forgot to add that it is very sexy. Especially when the girl is wearing nothing else. Ooh la la.

Hello,

I stay around Russian market. Someone knows a place to have an happy massage around here?

Thanks in advance.

Is there a happy massage around Russian market? I mean only HJ you know.

Hey guys,

I got a really important question about Cambodia in regards to condom usage from hostess girls. I know if I'm in Pattaya, Thailand a significantly large percentage of gogo girls will require condom for boom boom and will usually carry backups in their purse in case you don't have one. Likewise, I know if I'm in Angeles, Philippines a condom is rarely required and bareback is preferred by many of the girls who rarely have spare condoms on them.

How are the girls in Cambodia in regards to this practice for boom boom as well as the casual BJ? P.S. I'm fully aware of the elevated HIV risks but I want to know exactly what the expectations most hostess girls are like before I get there.

[QUOTE=Tonga1234;1954956]Is there a happy massage around Russian market? I mean only HJ you know.[/QUOTE]You just have to ask.

Bsticks,

Massage places around town appear to be the only daytime fun. You've likely jotted down a few names in reading this thread. If you find a good place let me know.

We just discussed the US money question.

Darling Darling inside the Naga World casino is a good place from 8 pm. Like Ipanema in Singapore but way prettier girls in DD. I never went but Pontoon is the night club to hit after hours, ala iBar/Insomnia in Pattaya.

As for the condom question, keep a few on hand of your desired brand. If your desire is to do BBFS, ask the girl in the bar before you barfine her. Many Khmer girls do not give BJ either CBJ or BBBJ and if they do it's very short. Some girls tell you they love giving BJ's as part of their sales pitch because they know so many don't do BJ's. Again, clarify with the girl.

If you've been to Pattaya you may be disappointed on how small PP is.

Hi.

I heard that walkabout was closed! I really going to miss it for daytime action. Someone know were the girls are now? Has they moved to soraya shoppingmall? I am just intrested in daytime action.

BL.

Hello guys,

I have been travelling since a month in Vietnam and been dry no FS here, have had chances if being looted.

I went thru the forum got to knw about few bars I have been to Pattaya so would like to know is the same scene like I bar.

Or there is some different way to approach.

As tired to get gals in vietnam my trying was not that successful.

Will appreciate some help from you all and my pm is active. If there is any direct contact it will be really helpful.

I know one should take efforts on his own but I am really frustrated with the scene in Vietnam & don't wish to take any wrong step any more.

Awaiting for positive reply.

[QUOTE=ButtLover;1955719]Hi.

I heard that walkabout was closed! I really going to miss it for daytime action. Someone know were the girls are now? Has they moved to soraya shoppingmall? I am just intrested in daytime action.

BL.[/QUOTE]Ye its been closed for, maybe 4/5 months?? I think, ye I would have at a guess they all go to GSM now, or around there.

It's right next to Sun Moon hotel. It was full of the most beautiful girls I ever saw anywhere in the world. I left scoreless but with a head full of eye candy. I don't know if it was a one off thing just for the grand opening but I intend to return tonight and find out. I will hit the ATM today to improve my looks. Pray for me to the vagina God.

Nice. I like Sweet Lemon. Can have some nice girls. Hopefully Sweet Lemon 2 isn't just moving the girls from Sweet Lemon 1. With a bar right there I wonder if Sun and Moon will become a girl friendly hotel.

I spent 4 night in PP upon arrival and then 3 more after trip to SR and was definitely disappointed with the scene in both cities. Mostly because the services are extremely over priced, especially for the level of service. I tried the Wechatt option first which was a bunch of photoshopped pics and lady boys, even when searching "females only" in the filter. Upon questioning they'd admit to being LB and annoyingly ask "don't you want to try? No and you deserve to be poor for your annoying deception. Actual females were quoting everywere between $50-150 usd ST, Vegas prices IMHO. I passed.

Worked the cafes and streets for free lance action, and scored a 21 yo waitress for a GF experience for a few days but got sick of her attitude after a few days. Checked the bars on st 136, which had ample girls to select from, but once again, shouldn't we be paying less than $50/ HR in a country far more under developed than Thailand or the philppines? I passed as the philppines is on the itinerary in a week or so and the quality of service was questionable.

Got lucky my final night at Ostra bistro, not a girl bar, but regular pub next to them. Pure Khmer waitress was extremely friendly. I asked my drinking mates how it worked here as it's not a bar fine joint, nobody knew. Held court with her and her coworker who was totally hot and friendly, and got their fb, line, and wechat contacts and immediately started messaging both of them while they worked right there. Guy from France at my table asked the super hot one to go buy him a condom at the minimart and she emphatically refused and exclaimed "I'm not bar girl, I've never bought condom ever", so quickly realized neither of these waitresses were WG. The super hot one had to leave relatively soon after her shift, approx 2:30 am, but she did accept free drink from the same French guy, and hung with Us for an hour. Still chatting with her using Line app, and setting up GF experience for next trip as she wants to go to the islands with me next time, but we know those deals only pan out some times but worth keeping in touch as she is 23 and A material looks. Meanwhile, her coworker was also pure 23 yo Khmer with a rad body, big boobs, average face, but incredibly sweet attitude. She agreed to message me after work, which was going to be 3:30 am at this point. I had hotel two blocks down the street. Indeed she did message me, and got her to come to my room. Got her naked within minutes and she had amazing body, see cups with wonderful perky nipples, hour glass shaped body, firm round ass. She explained she had only one Cambodian BF '9 years ago, but he died'. She giggled and smiled a lot. She was very particular with how I could touch her, she only liked slow soft touching, but completely got her wet, pussy was super tight, and she confirmed no sex since first BF. She openly stated she wanted to 'have baby' with me to 'bring back to my homeland' and repeatedly pointed to my white skin and nose. I told her we just practice this time. She agreed, and began with DATY which she came hard just after 30 seconds or so, maybe her first orgasm ever. Used condom and got full service twice during her stay, very nice tight pussy, but had to do it 'her way' basically fuck her gently, no problem as this was confirmation she was regular Khmer girl and not a WG. Also tittie fucked her and taught her some BJ action. Both of us happy and satisfied. She stayed until 12 noon the following day, and gave her $8 usd for lunch which she was fine with. She also insisted on 'helping me pack' as I was checking out, but I sent her along after a few minutes. Of course lock up anything valuable, but she was not a thief, just truly curious young woman wanting her own exotic sexual experience. Me, I'm 50 yo but in great shape (told world wide I appear in my late 30's, good genes I guess, but I'm fit as that's what keeps my pecker up the best and don't want to die young like half my hs buddies) so luckily the GFE option worked out for me in PP. I only monger when I can be guarenteed good service at a decent price. So holding out for some threesome action in the philppines soon. I wouldn't go back to PP for mongering, Siem Reap was even worse, but only explored there one night. In Snookyville at the moment, and already met cheaper options, almost free, regular girls with sob stories looking for husbands and sugar daddies, so will report later.

I agree with many posts the prices guys are paying here are way too much, but mongers appear more decrepit here too, LOL. Sorry just my opinion.

Went for regular massage one day to and was offerred a hand job for "100 $" got up and left. They think we're ATM I guess. I live in Cali so I could go to Vegas for cheaper and better service IMHO. Trip is still been worthwhile for sparodic GFE experience so far, quit paying so much for lawd's sake.

LMAO. Sweet, sweet man. Are you in 6th grade? These are overpriced working girls. Of course they want to have your baby. They want your money and that is all. But its OK to pretend but please use a condom. It's obvious these girls have seen more asses than a toilet seat. And if anyone is paying $50.00 your being taken. I know they have a short shelf life but I can't imagine paying more than $20.00. And for what your getting. (well I guess it depends more on what your not getting). I've had a few offer me a good time for much less. And I'm a woman. (unfortunately I'm not into girls). I see you guys everywhere I know your here for a good time. You cannot travel anywhere anymore without seeing sex tourists. And surely you are kidding about being the first boyfriend ever after her dead boyfriend? I've seen some nice looking men about but. I've met quite a few of you guys here. And have enjoyed talking to you. You deserve to have a nice time. A good bank for your buck (so to speak). But make no mistake they will steal, lie and do whatever to snag a man. Have fun but be real!

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1956454] And if anyone is paying $50.00 your being taken. I know they have a short shelf life but I can't imagine paying more than $20.00. [/QUOTE]Curious to see if you're getting $20 ST for the top end bar girls on 104,130, and 136.

[QUOTE=GoodTimeTrvlr;1956099]I spent 4 night in PP upon arrival and then 3 more after trip to SR and was definitely disappointed with the scene in both cities. Mostly because the services are extremely over priced, especially for the level of service. I tried the Wechatt option first which was a bunch of photoshopped pics and lady boys, even when searching "females only" in the filter. Upon questioning they'd admit to being LB and annoyingly ask "don't you want to try? No and you deserve to be poor for your annoying deception. Actual females were quoting everywere between $50-150 usd ST, Vegas prices IMHO. I passed.

Worked the cafes and streets for free lance action, and scored a 21 yo waitress for a GF experience for a few days but got sick of her attitude after a few days. Checked the bars on st 136, which had ample girls to select from, but once again, shouldn't we be paying less than $50/ HR in a country far more under developed than Thailand or the philppines? I passed as the philppines is on the itinerary in a week or so and the quality of service was questionable.

Got lucky my final night at Ostra bistro, not a girl bar, but regular pub next to them. Pure Khmer waitress was extremely friendly. I asked my drinking mates how it worked here as it's not a bar fine joint, nobody knew. Held court with her and her coworker who was totally hot and friendly, and got their fb, line, and wechat contacts and immediately started messaging both of them while they worked right there. Guy from France at my table asked the super hot one to go buy him a condom at the minimart and she emphatically refused and exclaimed "I'm not bar girl, I've never bought condom ever", so quickly realized neither of these waitresses were WG. The super hot one had to leave relatively soon after her shift, approx 2:30 am, but she did accept free drink from the same French guy, and hung with Us for an hour. Still chatting with her using Line app, and setting up GF experience for next trip as she wants to go to the islands with me next time, but we know those deals only pan out some times but worth keeping in touch as she is 23 and A material looks. Meanwhile, her coworker was also pure 23 yo Khmer with a rad body, big boobs, average face, but incredibly sweet attitude. She agreed to message me after work, which was going to be 3:30 am at this point..[/QUOTE]You keep referring to Vegas for 50-100 $ pussy, I've been numerous times and never seen or heard of these prices, please fill us "all" in, thanks for reporting on pp I hope I have a much better time while their, BB and U, V. Seem to have had a awesome time, I'm going to follow their reports! Still trying to figure out where to stay while their, I want location location location and prefer to have a pool, any and all suggestions?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1956810]Curious to see if you're getting $20 ST for the top end bar girls on 104,130, and 136.[/QUOTE]I don't know what she's talking about. I told her to get her own account. Lonely.

A good place to stay in Phnom Phen is Queen wood Hotel. It's right across from Sun Moon. Has a rooftop bar. Restaurant (not so good).

Drinks are good and cheap as well. Balcony is a good place to watch the coming and goings. It's about $30.00 a night for 2 beds and couch. Girl friendly.

Prefer to have a pool, any and all suggestions?

Queen wood.

It's on 136th St. Has it all. Right across from Sun Moon.

Well, I've yet to see any really pretty girls. Not outside or inside the bars. A few are OK. But then I'm not looking for girls. But I talk to them while Lonely flirts. I think maybe because I look and smell good they may want to go with us and that's why they may be cheaper. I have seen some of them make faces and roll their eyes at some guys, I do the same face back at the girls and we laugh. And the guys end up going away alone. Most of them look dirty and drunk.

I think even the sad badly made up girls don't want to have some of these guys touch them. (I know I wouldn't even consider 75 percent of some of these guys I've seen). And I think what most men don't understand about women is that we don't judge men so much by their looks. Not like men judge women. I enjoy being around men who take as much care with their appearance as I do. I've always received lots of attention from men (much of it unwanted). I can't take credit for that it's genetics. And I'm a professional person who's worked around many "pretty" professional men. But was not attracted to most of them. So I guess if you want a top notch girl you should be a top notch guy.

I want Lonely to find really beautiful girls. Frankly I don't care what he pays for them. But I want to be at least a little jealous of them. LOL. Not feel sorry for them. And so far nada. What I want to find are those elusive lady boys I've heard about! I'm going for adventure here! I grew up in Huntington Beach California. The women there are beautiful and are everywhere you looked! I'm thinking were going to leave here and go somewhere else. Because so far I'm not impressed. But maybe I'm missing something?

[QUOTE=Lolas;1957682]I want Lonely to find really beautiful girls. [/QUOTE]How was Darling Darling for your search?

[QUOTE=Lolas;1957669]A good place to stay in Phnom Phen is Queen wood Hotel. [/QUOTE]Just read some Trip Advisor reviews and over and over again it says the rooms are dirty. Some guy even posted photos of bug bites he got. Rooms seem very tiny as well. My girls enjoy running around the room taking selfies. It's dirt cheap though. May consider it as an hourly room for a Cyrcee girl since it's almost the same price as the Cyrcee hourly room. A Darling Darling girl would cringe.

Well I'm very picky. But since Sun Moon was booked decided to stay there for a night or so until we could get a room. Our room was very large. No bugs.

So perhaps they changed something. Anyway I found it comfortable enough there. It's a shame they got a bad review. We're going to Darling Darling before then off to the coast. But I would definitively stay there again. LOL. I find it funny that ladies of the evening wouldn't stay there considering where they have been and who they have been with. Funny. That after that they would care about much of anything. Well I guess if they are husband hunting it's best to at least pretend you've a bit of class.

Interested in checking out an upscale KTV. Anyone have a suggestion of something good not to far from Riverside? How much can I expect to pay?

Arrived last night. Some bars were packed. Others only lonely girls. It wasn't consistent on the talent level either. I predict Sweet Lemon 2 is going to have a tough go in that location. no reason to walk up that way unless you're walking to Cyrcee. Not a fan of weekend nights here. My girls got barfined pretty quickly.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1958961]Interested in checking out an upscale KTV. Anyone have a suggestion of something good not to far from Riverside? How much can I expect to pay?

Arrived last night. Some bars were packed. Others only lonely girls. It wasn't consistent on the talent level either. I predict Sweet Lemon 2 is going to have a tough go in that location. no reason to walk up that way unless you're walking to Cyrcee. Not a fan of weekend nights here. My girls got barfined pretty quickly.[/QUOTE]There are a ton of KTVs. There is one called Prince KTV on Monivong, near Mao Tse Teng. I have never been inside that one but my local friends take their overseas clients there. Should cost $100 for the girl if you take her out.

[QUOTE=TesterTester;1959038]There are a ton of KTVs. There is one called Prince KTV on Monivong, near Mao Tse Teng. I have never been inside that one but my local friends take their overseas clients there. Should cost $100 for the girl if you take her out.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Just checked out their Facebook and not my type. I'm looking for top end DD quality girls.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1959041]Thanks. Just checked out their Facebook and not my type. I'm looking for top end DD quality girls.[/QUOTE]Nearer riverside another higher end one is X2. Not far from riverside. Corner street 55 and 214. It's well known but maybe considered outdated. I went inside a few times a year ago. Pretty girls at the time. Not sure now.

[QUOTE=GoodTimeTrvlr;1956099]Meanwhile, her coworker was also pure 23 yo Khmer with a rad body, big boobs, average face, but incredibly sweet attitude. She agreed to message me after work, which was going to be 3:30 am at this point. I had hotel two blocks down the street. Indeed she did message me, and got her to come to my room. [b]Got her naked within minutes[/b] and she had amazing body, see cups with wonderful perky nipples, hour glass shaped body, firm round ass. She explained [b]she had only one Cambodian BF '9 years ago, but he died'[/b]. She giggled and smiled a lot. She was very particular with how I could touch her, she only liked slow soft touching, but completely got her wet, pussy was super tight, and [b]she confirmed no sex since first BF[/b]. She openly stated she wanted to 'have baby' with me to 'bring back to my homeland' and repeatedly pointed to my white skin and nose. I told her we just practice this time. She agreed, and began with DATY which [b]she came hard just after 30 seconds or so, maybe her first orgasm ever[/b]. Used condom and got full service twice during her stay, very nice tight pussy, but had to do it 'her way' basically fuck her gently, no problem as this was confirmation she was regular Khmer girl and not a WG. Also tittie fucked her and taught her some BJ action. Both of us happy and satisfied...[/QUOTE]I'm glad you had a good time with this chick but please tell me you're kidding. I know that mongers are experts at self-deception, but surely no 50 yo could possibly be this naive. She hasn't had a boyfriend or sex since she was 14 but hops into bed with you at the drop of a hat? She had her first orgasm ever after 30 seconds DATY? Come on man, enjoy the flattery these girls lay on but don't take it seriously; it's all an illusion and a bit of fun.

[QUOTE=BSticks;1955479]Hey guys,

I got a really important question about Cambodia in regards to condom usage from hostess girls. I know if I'm in Pattaya, Thailand a significantly large percentage of gogo girls will require condom for boom boom and will usually carry backups in their purse in case you don't have one. Likewise, I know if I'm in Angeles, Philippines a condom is rarely required and bareback is preferred by many of the girls who rarely have spare condoms on them.

How are the girls in Cambodia in regards to this practice for boom boom as well as the casual BJ? P.S. I'm fully aware of the elevated HIV risks but I want to know exactly what the expectations most hostess girls are like before I get there.[/QUOTE]I've found girls demanding condoms vs not demanding them to be around 50/50. I always have good intentions and bring my own but don't always maintain discipline. Even in Pattaya I found there were plenty of girls who didn't demand condoms but, again, I tried to be disciplined.

For anyone lucky enough to be here this weekend (Sunday to Tuesday) during the Water Festival, take a walk along the riverside near the Royal Palace. All lit up. A beautiful site. Dragon boat races as well for those into that.

Cute girls everywhere tonight even on the side streets. Some nice ones in those big corner restaurants on 136. Went to "Same Same but Different" bar on 110 and some nice girls in there. Oddly one obvious ladyboy as well but no mistake the rest were cute girls in early 20's. Then hit "Pretty woman" on 110 and 2-3 very nice girls, one is likely the best I've seen in PP. Looks Korean / Japanese. Hit Cavalry bar on 136 more decent girls. Good time to be in PP. Not many guys either in the bars I visited other than my favorite bar which is always packed for good reason.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1961576]Cute girls everywhere tonight even on the side streets. Some nice ones in those big corner restaurants on 136. Went to "Same Same but Different" bar on 110 and some nice girls in there. Oddly one obvious ladyboy as well but no mistake the rest were cute girls in early 20's. Then hit "Pretty woman" on 110 and 2-3 very nice girls, one is likely the best I've seen in PP. Looks Korean / Japanese. Hit Cavalry bar on 136 more decent girls. Good time to be in PP. Not many guys either in the bars I visited other than my favorite bar which is always packed for good reason.[/QUOTE]Which bar is your favorite bar which is always packed?

I am in Phnom Penh for the first time.

Its a interesting city.

I am not so into the sex thing, but I have a big fetish for hands.

Yesterday I went to Golden Sorya mall.

There was a freelancer who asked me if I wanted to come with her and I said yes.

We went to a room somewhere and she told me it would cost 30 dollar + room fee.

I asked her to wash her hands and told her that I only wanted to caress and kiss her hands.

After the session we went out to a café. She wanted a beer and I had an espresso.

She asked me for my phone number, but I told her I didn't had any.

She went away to bring a cellphone and asked again for my number.

I told her that I didn't had any phone.

Then she left and didn't come back haha.

Later that day I met a older women at the Boardwalk.

She asked me if I wanted massage.

I agreed, and we went away. She told me that it would cost 7 dollar.

I only had 50 dollar bills so I tried to change it in a store, but it was not possible.

I asked the women if she was hungry or thirsty. We went to a hotel, but they didn't had any food, so we bought some soda and sat down and talked for a couple of hours.

Later today I am going out and look fore some more.

Good first report. Cambodians are generally nice people. Phnom Penh is a wonderful place to hang around. Very cheap by any standards. Good food. Transport also is easily available and cheap. Once, I hired a car for the whole day for just $50.00 and visited so many places around. Enjoy your trip and I'm sure you would want to come again.

[QUOTE=Butirka;1961660] I am in Phnom Penh for the first time. Its a interesting city. I am not so into the sex thing. Yesterday I went to Golden Sorya mall. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manfield04;1961691]Good first report. Cambodians are generally nice people. Phnom Penh is a wonderful place to hang around. Very cheap by any standards. Good food. Transport also is easily available and cheap. Once, I hired a car for the whole day for just $50.00 and visited so many places around. Enjoy your trip and I'm sure you would want to come again.[/QUOTE]Just go to Lucky Supermarket. They accept even 100 $ bills.

Thank you.

I had a very nice stay here in PP.

Going home tomorrow.

I spent time with the older freelancer every day.

Rented her a room in a hotel somewhere and stayed there with her three hours per day.

We also went out and eat together.

I really enjoyed her company. She was more of a GFE then anything else.

[QUOTE=Kniom;1962324]Just go to Lucky Supermarket. They accept even 100 $ bills.[/QUOTE]

I think you didn't read my post attentively or did not understand it at all. Why do I have to go to Lucky Supermarket? To change $100 bills. I can do it anywhere.

[QUOTE=Kniom;1962324] Just go to Lucky Supermarket. They accept even 100 $ bills. [/QUOTE]

Is it possible to buy Viagra (or cialis) in Phnom Phen? In pharmacy?

I see them on display at family run mini marts in the hobbying areas like 136. There's one beside Sweet Lemon. $5 Kamagra, $8. 20 V, don't recall Cialis price. I didn't notice them at Panda, Smile, Kiwi Mart, etc.

Is it unit price or for a pack of 4? Is it 100 MG? Could you please give some more details?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1963583] I see them on display at family run mini marts in the hobbying areas like 136. $8. 20 V. [/QUOTE]

Package of 4 100 MG tablets. Store beside Sweet Lemon bar on 136, across from Lux hotel.

Just completed another 12 night visit in PP. Talent level just a tad better than last month but I found myself sticking to the girls I had met previously. I find myself more attracted to the bars on Street 104 and 110 rather than the more populated streets 130 and 136. Because there are fewer customers the girls are more attentive to you. Overall for my taste I prefer the girl's looks on 104 and 110 as well. I will revisit again in a few weeks.

I wish the restaurants around this area were better. Any recommendations would be great for Japanese or good old American food. I find every night I need to take a $4 20 minute tuk tuk ride to Street 360 area to find cool restaurants.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1963759] I wish the restaurants around this area were better. Any recommendations would be great for Japanese or good old American food. I find every night I need to take a $4 20 minute tuk tuk ride to Street 360 area to find cool restaurants.[/QUOTE]I also thought that eating in a good place late at night was an issue in PP. Don't know if you will consider this a good place but there's a small restaurant selling noodles on the riverside that close around midnight. From street 136 you have to walk on the left side for a few minutes. Their food is good, clean (went there many times and never had a problem) and relatively cheap (4-5 $). But it's not Japanese noodles, more like Chinese style foods.

Thanks for sharing the information. It is better to buy it there rather than carry it through customs at the airport.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1963644] Package of 4 100 MG tablets. Store beside Sweet Lemon bar on 136, across from Lux hotel. [/QUOTE]

Thank you for the answer. I will probably go to PP in January. As I feel tired (52 years too! Maybe I will try the Kamagra, to enjoy my stay.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1963583]I see them on display at family run mini marts in the hobbying areas like 136. There's one beside Sweet Lemon. $5 Kamagra, $8. 20 V, don't recall Cialis price. I didn't notice them at Panda, Smile, Kiwi Mart, etc.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cordonier;1963840]Thank you for the answer. I will probably go to PP in January. As I feel tired (52 years too! Maybe I will try the Kamagra, to enjoy my stay.[/QUOTE]A lot of what you can buy locally is fake better to buy from a reliable source even if it is more expensive in order to avoid disappointment.

Viagra under the name seagra is sold all around the central market ,4/100 MG for 1. 40 $. And in many regular pharmacies in other areas as well. Ask the locals, there is nothing fake about it.

Good food can be found in a variety of places on pop street, st 172. I find phnom penh has a nice choice of eateries reasonably priced. I also recommend the pink elephant happy pizza for the food. Near 178 by the river, beer at 50 cents a mug. When I stay I pnom penh I have a budget of 100 us a day which gets me really everything quite nicely including girls.

[QUOTE=Forever69;1964062]Viagra under the name seagra is sold all around the central market ,4/100 MG for 1. 40 $. And in many regular pharmacies in other areas as well. Ask the locals, there is nothing fake about it.

Good food can be found in a variety of places on pop street, st 172. I find phnom penh has a nice choice of eateries reasonably priced. I also recommend the pink elephant happy pizza for the food. Near 178 by the river, beer at 50 cents a mug. When I stay I pnom penh I have a budget of 100 us a day which gets me really everything quite nicely including girls.[/QUOTE]Why do you guys buy this at the street? No reason for that. You can buy V in every pharmacy with no problems. You can buy the original Pfizer or another brand for cheap.

Babana Boi suggested to buy V from store beside Sweet Lemon bar on 136, across from Lux hotel. Do you have any suggestions of a reliable source from where one can buy genuine V?

[QUOTE=Riverstar;1963990] A lot of what you can buy locally is fake better to buy from a reliable source even if it is more expensive in order to avoid disappointment. [/QUOTE]

- Pfizer produces sildenafil under the brand name Viagra.

- Indian companies have been producing sildenafil under names such as Zeagra, G-Force, etc. They seem to work. No reported health problems. There has been reports that those aren't as strong as the genuine Viagra; there has been reports of occasional duds. They are cheap. Zeagra (for a pack of four 100 MG tablets) ranges from around $1.50 (at Panda Mart) to $3.50 (at the mini-mart next to Sweet Lemon on St 136). Zeagra is "real" Zeagra. Note: Panda Mart (there's 1 about a block away from ST 136 at the Riverside) seems to have cheaper goods than the other mini-marts, from drinks to Zeagra.

- The Viagra packages you see at some of the min-marts (maybe around $8) are all fake. They are pirated with even the fake hologram mark on the package. They are the same as the ones you see on the streets of Bangkok and Angeles. But from reports, they do work, with the same caveats of strength and duds. Real Viagra is always more expensive. In Thailand, Pfizer reduced their prices due to competition from legal generic Sidegra that came into the market. But the prices are still 1000 something Baht (more than $30 for a pack of four 100 MG pills). Anything you see cheaper has to be fake.

- If you want genuine Viagra in Cambodia, I would be very leery. IMO, you can't trust 3rd world. For the best chances, I would go to some fancy pharmacy, maybe in a mall, where rich Cambodians go to. But if you want genuine Viagra, Bangkok would be a better bet if you go to a reliable pharmacy. Even then the question arises, why? Legal generic Sidegra is available at a retail price of 180 Baht for a pack of four 100 MG pills.

- I like to recollect the old days, and yearn for it. Maybe I'm a sadist. LOL!

- In the old days, 25 was considered old for working girls. Many girls were of dubious age. Once I asked for an ID. She produced a piece of paper, which I couldn't read, which didn't have a picture. These days, you definitely don't have that problem. LOL!

- It seems many girls are old. Many are moms. You're lucky if you find one that is 25. In Le Crycee, a few of them are the same girls I saw 8 or 9 years ago.

- On another note, you see a lot more ladyboys on St 136 than the old days. Previously, only Candy Bar had them. Now more bars have some mixed in. I don't mind pure ladyboy bars. Some guys like them. People have a right to dress however they want to and fuck any adult in any position they want to. But ethically, IMO, it is almost like sexual assault if the bar/ladyboy doesn't tell the customer.

- Fuck Xanadu Bar! There is a chubby ladyboy who is very aggressive. I don't like to kissed or touched by faggots. Yes, that term is not PC, but IMO, a gay person who is trash should be called a faggot.

Your report is very informative. Thanks very much for that. One question: How does anyone distinguish between the fake Viagra with the real one since both will have holograms? Is price the only consideration given that the holograms may look similar?

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1964392] The Viagra packages you see at some of the mini -marts (maybe around $8) are all fake. They are pirated with even the fake hologram mark on the package. They are the same as the ones you see on the streets of Bangkok and Angeles. But from reports, they do work, with the same caveats of strength and duds. Real Viagra is always more expensive. In Thailand, Pfizer reduced their prices due to competition from legal generic Sidegra that came into the market. But the prices are still 1000 something Baht (more than $30 for a pack of four 100 MG pills). Anything you see cheaper has to be fake. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GreenBud;1964398] It seems many girls are old. Many are moms. You're lucky if you find one that is 25.[/QUOTE]I hang out with about 8 girls in PP and all but one is under 25. That one is 27 but looks as young as the others. Yes they are not easily found but they are there. Key is not to go to the bars that are often mentioned on ISG.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1964197]Why do you guys buy this at the street? No reason for that. You can buy V in every pharmacy with no problems. You can buy the original Pfizer or another brand for cheap.[/QUOTE]I buy everything on the street, food, viagra, pussy, beer, anything. Love it! Sleep in a room though.

I see girls from sorya mall dress up like cinderella and take motorbikes to darlin darlin.

I bought viagra a couple times in the us and then seagra in phnom penh, the only difference to me aside from the huge price difference is that seagra seems not as strong.it is never fake.

I take two. 70 cents. Thats my report.

[QUOTE=Manfield04;1964405]Your report is very informative. Thanks very much for that. One question: How does anyone distinguish between the fake Viagra with the real one since both will have holograms? Is price the only consideration given that the holograms may look similar?[/QUOTE]On the corner of streets 108 and 13 there is a very reliable pharmacy that sells generics and originals. A little more pricey that the supermarket stuff but it works according to my own experience.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1963759]Just completed another 12 night visit in PP. Talent level just a tad better than last month but I found myself sticking to the girls I had met previously. I find myself more attracted to the bars on Street 104 and 110 rather than the more populated streets 130 and 136. Because there are fewer customers the girls are more attentive to you. Overall for my taste I prefer the girl's looks on 104 and 110 as well. I will revisit again in a few weeks.

I wish the restaurants around this area were better. Any recommendations would be great for Japanese or good old American food. I find every night I need to take a $4 20 minute tuk tuk ride to Street 360 area to find cool restaurants.[/QUOTE]Best food on 104 is at the pickled parrot, middle of the street on the left when coming from the riverside. Their steak is pretty decent.

For general info on visas, hotels, getting around and such I'd recommend you check khmer440, it's a non mongering website with good intel for tourists and expats.

Thanks for sharing the info. I'll report after I try it.

[QUOTE=Titanio;1964709] On the corner of streets 108 and 13 there is a very reliable pharmacy that sells generics and originals. A little more pricey that the supermarket stuff but it works according to my own experience. [/QUOTE]

I was told by my girls to try Pickled Parrot. I just assumed they were pointing at it for me to eat at so they could keep an eye on me. I will try it next time.

Thanks for the tip on khmer440. Will check it out tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Titanio;1964709]On the corner of streets 108 and 13 there is a very reliable pharmacy that sells generics and originals. [/QUOTE]If it's on 108 visited this pharmacy tonight. Viagra sold under the name Maxigra 4 x100 for $4.

Gentlemen! I always used to stay at Flamingos right opposite Pontoon. But when I tried to book today planning ahead for my bi-annual visit to Cambodia my friend the manager confirmed that Flamingos will be closed for renovation for three months beginning today, December 1. He told me last summer they were going to do some work but I never imagined it would be this extensive.

So, I'd like to stay I the general area of Sorya Mall / Pontoon / Shanghai / Black Cat / and the now defunct Walkabout. I have dinner on Sisowath Quay (I love FCC) and drink in the bars down there, but I prefer to live uptown if you will. I always like to be close to Cyrcee. Marc is a great guy and always takes good care of me.

So, where am I to stay?? I am not a cheap Charlie but prefer to spend my money on P. As long as my accommodations are clean and safe. I am looking for $25-35 price range and maximum GF friendly.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;1969203]Gentlemen! I always used to stay at Flamingos right opposite Pontoon. But when I tried to book today planning ahead for my bi-annual visit to Cambodia my friend the manager confirmed that Flamingos will be closed for renovation for three months beginning today, December 1. He told me last summer they were going to do some work but I never imagined it would be this extensive. So, I'd like to stay I the general area of Sorya Mall / Pontoon / Shanghai / Black Cat / and the now defunct Walkabout. I have dinner on Sisowath Quay (I love FCC) and drink in the bars down there, but I prefer to live uptown if you will. I always like to be close to Cyrcee. Marc is a great guy and always takes good care of me. So, where am I to stay?? I am not a cheap Charlie but prefer to spend my money on P. As long as my accommodations are clean and safe. I am looking for $25-35 price range and maximum GF friendly. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Have a look in this publication. I stayed at Circuit Hotel, now called NaNa Hotel a few years ago. It is cheap but rooms clean, safe and asian style shower. I had no issues. GF also. Breakfast included and just ok. For the price, nothing to complain. If you do not like the room, you can ask them for a better room for same price.

[URL]http://www.nanahotelpp.com/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.canbypublications.com/phnompenh/ppintro.htm[/URL]

I always stay at A1 hotel. Far away from everything. Clean, with breakfast. Girl friendly as well.

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;1969203]Gentlemen! I always used to stay at Flamingos right opposite Pontoon. But when I tried to book today planning ahead for my bi-annual visit to Cambodia my friend the manager confirmed that Flamingos will be closed for renovation for three months beginning today, December 1. He told me last summer they were going to do some work but I never imagined it would be this extensive.

So, I'd like to stay I the general area of Sorya Mall / Pontoon / Shanghai / Black Cat / and the now defunct Walkabout. I have dinner on Sisowath Quay (I love FCC) and drink in the bars down there, but I prefer to live uptown if you will. I always like to be close to Cyrcee. Marc is a great guy and always takes good care of me.

So, where am I to stay?? I am not a cheap Charlie but prefer to spend my money on P. As long as my accommodations are clean and safe. I am looking for $25-35 price range and maximum GF friendly.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;1969203]Gentlemen! I always used to stay at Flamingos right opposite Pontoon. But when I tried to book today planning ahead for my bi-annual visit to Cambodia my friend the manager confirmed that Flamingos will be closed for renovation for three months beginning today, December 1. He told me last summer they were going to do some work but I never imagined it would be this extensive.

So, I'd like to stay I the general area of Sorya Mall / Pontoon / Shanghai / Black Cat / and the now defunct Walkabout. I have dinner on Sisowath Quay (I love FCC) and drink in the bars down there, but I prefer to live uptown if you will. I always like to be close to Cyrcee. Marc is a great guy and always takes good care of me.

So, where am I to stay?? I am not a cheap Charlie but prefer to spend my money on P. As long as my accommodations are clean and safe. I am looking for $25-35 price range and maximum GF friendly.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I stayed at New Castle Guesthouse I many times. 100% GF, friendly staff and save. Due to the location some rooms are quite noisy.

I stay at blue tounge cafe all the time, rooms about 20/25, next door to where the walkabout was.

The bars on 136 were busy last night. Even at 8 pm the street was flooded with girls. Busiest I have seen it. By 2:30 am when bars were closing still girls everywhere excluding the ton of ladyboys around Candy.

Oddly Street 104, 110, and Street 130 seemed rather quiet in comparison. Visited a new bar for me Heartbreak bar on Street 118. Worth a visit. Some fun girls.

[QUOTE=Kniom;1969334]I stayed at New Castle Guesthouse I many times. 100% GF, friendly staff and save. Due to the location some rooms are quite noisy.[/QUOTE]Thank you for all the posts. This is the kind of intell I appreciate. Is it safe? And do the rooms have wifi? I will be sure to try it out in December. Basically I just need a comfortable room and knowing that no one will steal from my room. Bringing in a lady or two for some fun and games is a must. No guest fee. In this respect Flamingo was great. I prefer to spend my money o other things. Thanks again.

Thank you. I sure appreciate your post.

Cheers and happy mongering!!

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1969232]Have a look in this publication. I stayed at Circuit Hotel, now called NaNa Hotel a few years ago. It is cheap but rooms clean, safe and asian style shower. I had no issues. GF also. Breakfast included and just ok. For the price, nothing to complain. If you do not like the room, you can ask them for a better room for same price.

[URL]http://www.nanahotelpp.com/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.canbypublications.com/phnompenh/ppintro.htm[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;1969599]Thank you. I sure appreciate your post. Cheers and happy mongering!![/QUOTE]I meant safe in room to keep your valuables and also safe! Walk to your mall, right across the street.

Hello punters,

I arrived late last night (12/1/2016) because China Eastern airlines sucked. I checked into the Local Riverside Hotel because it was a good deal on Agoda but they locked their gate at midnight and I don't think it's guest friendly due to the sign they have on my room door. I had to ring the doorbell for them to let me in because it was well after midnight, and wake up the kid to let me roam the streets at 3 in the morning. They were happy to oblige but it seems like such a hassle. Anyway, I started my night at Mr. Butterfly Bar as LE Cyrcee was closed. This cute, skinny, little of a thing named Ah the followed me in and asked what I'd like to drink. I ordered an Angkor and thought I'd buy her one too. I'm Cambodian and I speak Khmer well enough to carry a conversation but needless to say, we were hitting it off. It was a very rowdy atmosphere inside the bar but everyone seemed to be in good spirits. Ah D's friend comes over and introduces herself and starts speaking English. Dope! It could never hurt to have a translator when you're unsure of words. I decide to buy her a drink as well and 2 more friends came over. They were decent looking girls but I just didn't want to have that feeling like they were trying to pull a fast one on me. I didn't buy them drinks but gave them both a couple dollars and they were fine with it. These girls were calling themselves the, "Us four and no more" crew and they were entertaining. It was fringing on 4 am and the girls will soon be off the clock. For some reason I didn't feel like smashing so we all wanted to and ended up at a KTV. It was pretty darn fun, and we sang our lungs out. We got a big old' water cooler of a beer tap, some sweet & spicy mango and an hour of karaoke. I didn't end up taking Ah the to my hotel since it wasn't GF but I still ended up having an awesome night.

Since I didn't hit that morning, I've always wanted to go to Massa. The fishbowl experience is something I've always wanted to experience and the closest thing that comes to it is where the bring out a line up of girls in a massage parlor in Tijuana. I arrived at noon and they were 3 ladies working and none to my liking so I told the Mamasan I'll be back when she has more girls. She informed me that more girls will be there in an hour, so if any of you guys decide to go 1 pm is a good time for selections. I have to admit that having all of the girls pining for your selection through a glass feels pretty good. I selected a 22 year old girl who's massage skills were lackluster but way better than the experiences I've had in Tijuana. We carried on conversations during the massage which I feel kills the mood, but I also wanted to establish some atmosphere and have both parties feel comfortable. It's always a plus to speak the same language but I'll admit there were times when I couldn't understand a single word she was saying. Anyway, long story short she gave her sales pitch and asked how much I'd be willing to offer. I told her 40 dollars as she was cute and we had a good vibe going. She didn't seemed to thrilled about my offer (and I had much more money in my wallet than that) so she started telling me about the 1 time someone gave her 100 dollars. I told her great, let's go get him! She realized she wasn't getting much more out of me and we proceeded with the deed. She did a good job kissing me in places like my nipples and around my junk but wouldn't give me a blowie because she didn't like it. We get it on and I blow my load (covered of course), and we showered together. It was a good experience to where I think I'd go back.

All in all good day of hunting so far. Looking forward to LE Cyrcee tonight and some dancing at Pontoon. I leave for Sihanoukville on Monday morning and Ah the is coming with me. Anyways be safe my brothers and also I've attached a picture of what the Massa building looks like as it was hard to find and explain to Tuk Tuk drivers when I was last here in May.

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;1969598]Thank you for all the posts. This is the kind of intell I appreciate. Is it safe? And do the rooms have wifi? I will be sure to try it out in December. Basically I just need a comfortable room and knowing that no one will steal from my room. Bringing in a lady or two for some fun and games is a must. No guest fee. In this respect Flamingo was great. I prefer to spend my money o other things. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]I stayed there too a few times but was stolen from out of the safe box in the lobby twice! No safe in the room. Beware. Very loud until 6 am! The staircase is also murder.

Spent a week in PP recently and sampled a lot of the bars. Rose bar was the most lively and had girls eager to drink and take my money. Did not take from there but managed to get some numbers for the next trip.

Went instead to a few other bars and took a familiar face from a bar on 136 street. Great GFE that lasted well into the afternoon which was great because there is not much to do in the day time.

Second night I went to Darlin Darlin. Usual high end bar with lots of well dressed girls but in truth, you will see them at Pontoon later anyway. Went to Pontoon which is by far the best place to pickup a freelancer of quality. Found a sweet thing that looked like she was out of her depth. Dressed well and I could tell from the way I touched her that she had a tight body. Took her back from a short time but got her number for next time. GFE and I will see her again.

The bars in PP can be hit and miss. Tried Candy Bar and Angry Birds to name a few. In the end went back to Rose Bar and grabbed one of the familiar faces. Not as good as the girl from Pontoon but maybe she set the bar too high, The girls from Rose Bar have seen some miles even though they are pretty.

PP is a fun place to party and take part in our hobby. Just got to find the gems which on this trip I managed to find one. She kept me busy for the next few nights.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Forever69;1969721]I stayed there too a few times but was stolen from out of the safe box in the lobby twice! No safe in the room. Beware. Very loud until 6 am! The staircase is also murder.[/QUOTE]I've been staying there twice a year for around 5 years now. NEVER had a problem with lost stuff. Sometimes I even forgot to hide my tablet / camera / Khmer-Riels but when I came back the room was cleaned and I didn't miss anything. As said I have no experience with the lockers opposite the reception but a friend always use it and he never told me about lost things.

[QUOTE=Axiata;1969978]went to Darlin Darlin. Usual high end bar with lots of well dressed girls but in truth, you will see them at Pontoon later anyway. [/QUOTE]Are their prices lower at Pontoon?

[QUOTE=Forever69;1969721]I stayed there too a few times but was stolen from out of the safe box in the lobby twice! No safe in the room. Beware. Very loud until 6 am! The staircase is also murder.[/QUOTE]So you put your stuff back in their after being robbed the first time?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1972344]Are their prices lower at Pontoon?[/QUOTE]Banana Boi,

It depends on a few things. Time of night, if they already have had a customer and whether they actually like you. If it is late then a very good offer is $50 usd and see how that goes. I have offered that at around 3 am and they are OK with that especially if they like the hotel you are staying at. That said, there is as good if not better mix of girls at Pontoon at that time of night so the girls from Darlin Darlin have a lot of competition. Love Pontoon, just a great place to hook up with freelancers who are hot. My friend picked up a part timer a few weeks back and paid less than $30 usd for short time. She was very cute and a great body and face. Well worth it.

Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Axiata;1972638]If it is late then a very good offer is $50 usd and see how that goes. I have offered that at around 3 am and they are OK with that especially if they like the hotel you are staying at. That said, there is as good if not better mix of girls at Pontoon at that time of night so the girls from Darlin Darlin have a lot of competition. Love Pontoon, just a great place to hook up with freelancers who are hot. My friend picked up a part timer a few weeks back and paid less than $30 usd for short time. She was very cute and a great body and face. Well worth it. Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]Paid usd $30.00 in Pontoon for LT many times. Some girls may ask for more if they sense your are a newbee but ignore them and also "It's up to you". They know what they are asking. LOL.

Can you tell whether this information is a recent one? Because I met girls asking for US $ 30 for ST and US $ 50/60 for LT.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1972685] Paid usd $30.00 in Pontoon for LT many times. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Manfield04;1972694]Can you tell whether this information is a recent one? Because I met girls asking for US $ 30 for ST and US $ 50/60 for LT.[/QUOTE]I paid 30 dollar most times. One time 35 dollar. Always LT.

[QUOTE=Manfield04;1972694]Can you tell whether this information is a recent one? Because I met girls asking for US $ 30 for ST and US $ 50/60 for LT.[/QUOTE]As we well know, girls asking something and agreeing to something else is well known. Also, as I mentioned, If a girl senses a monger to be acting like a newbee, they are going to ask for a lot. A seasoned monger will bring them down to sanity dollar mark. A newbee may pay a lot for the same. Sometimes with these Cambodian girls, even if there agree to LT, they will try to leave after one shot. They'll come up with all kinds of stories and if you get fed up, just pay for the single shot about usd $10-15 and kick her out.

Are you wondering what is going on with the sharp decline in the quality of 'available' women?

Let me tell you, because I saw it happen to a large degree in the Philippines over the course of a few years, and I see the same signs here.

The 8-10's have been systematically herded into upscale KTV's / Casino scenes, to cater to rich Asians on holiday, or his locals. This is because they pay $200 for 5 minutes of fucking, after consuming $500 worth of watered down drinks. They also have almost zero expectations of performance from the girls, so of course the girls are thrilled to have a few minutes of covered sex, and make enough to keep their family flush for a couple months. 1 rich Asian might spend as much as 20 (or more) white foreigners, gambling and everything included. The math is simple.

If you can somehow get yourself into one of these establishments (you had better look like a million bucks, and / or have rich local friends), you will see nothing but beautiful women. Not a single dog in sight, not even the waitresses.

Depending on your disposable income, you can attract a 'manager' that will invite you into the hiso P4P scene. Gambling and drinking away a few hundred dollars like it is nothing will catch the right eyes. Even better if you are willing to dump around $1000. Soon you will be surrounded by very friendly men who will offer you all sorts of material delights. Tell them you want 'the best women', and you will enter the circle. Again, you have to be dressed nicely. Dress like a rich Asian, and it will be no problem.

Now you may be wondering 'why would I want to get into the Cambodian hiso sex scene? Especially when the girls usually only beautiful starfish? The only real answer is curiosity, and a burning desire to understand how rich Asians destroy the type of scenes that western travelers used to flock to. You will also be a novelty, which could get you some genuine warmth from these hostess girls. Just don't expect them to speak much English.

I am not posting locations. "Upscale gambling" should provide enough of a starting point for those who are genuinely curious. Go and hang out, see how things work on the floor, and decide if 'buying in' is worth it to you or not.

[QUOTE=FeelBait;1973133]Are you wondering what is going on with the sharp decline in the quality of 'available' women?

Let me tell you, because I saw it happen to a large degree in the Philippines over the course of a few years, and I see the same signs here.

The 8-10's have been systematically herded into upscale KTV's / Casino scenes, to cater to rich Asians on holiday, or his locals. This is because they pay $200 for 5 minutes of fucking, after consuming $500 worth of watered down drinks. They also have almost zero expectations of performance from the girls, so of course the girls are thrilled to have a few minutes of covered sex, and make enough to keep their family flush for a couple months. 1 rich Asian might spend as much as 20 (or more) white foreigners, gambling and everything included. The math is simple..[/QUOTE]Your observations are interesting. Having played in China for many years in the KTV scene I totally understand your views. We would spend a lot of money but generally the girls performed. I do not do KTVs anymore but see so many in PP these days that it makes sense the stunners would choose that over dive bars with drunken groping westerners. I know I would! I am back home for the Christmas break and recently was quoted $900 usd for two hours by an Asian call girl. So paying a few hundred is peanuts compared to that. It is all relative. I spend what I think the girl is worth. Good attitude, good body and good fun. Our asian friends are no different to us poor westerners. Pussy in Korea and Japan is very expensive. Places like Cambodia are bargain hunting grounds. It is inevitable that prices will rise.

Happy hunting.

Anyone been to any of the 15 or so KTV's on Street 118? There's a bunch up near Cyrcee too. Wondering what the girls are like inside and the prices. They look very run down from the exterior anyways.

One of my girls works at one of those high end KTV's being discussed, She is a very good singer. She is definitely in top 5 lookswise of all the girls found between 104 and 136.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1973476]Anyone been to any of the 15 or so KTV's on Street 118? There's a bunch up near Cyrcee too. Wondering what the girls are like inside and the prices. They look very run down from the exterior anyways.

One of my girls works at one of those high end KTV's being discussed, She is a very good singer. She is definitely in top 5 lookswise of all the girls found between 104 and 136.[/QUOTE]Why would you not step inside the KTV's you're interested in yourself, look at the girls and ask for the price since you are there anyway ? Don't forget to report afterwards.

Hi all, I am back in town. Anyone who like a wing man up please PM me. I know the city well but for once thought I would some company.

Take care and enjoy this beautiful city with ll that it has to offer.

Cheers!

Cheers fellows! Back in Phnom Penh again. I have been here so many times it feels like home. This afternoon, to get in the mood, I went for a nice massage at Mango Spa in 144 Street, adjacent to Sisowath Quay and around the corner from the outdoor market.

Today I sampled the second of two sisters, Mam. Her younger sister was great but is now at university. I am glad for her. Boy was she a cutie! At any rate, I had never been with her older sister, all of thirty-four years old, but I had a good time. She is quite pretty in her own right with large breasts that are surprisingly firm. At first, things went slowly but she soon let me roam and soon I had her jeans pulled half way down her legs and was licking her as I lay on the massage sideways bed with her standing next to me. It only took her a minute or so to climax, which was extraordinary. Her pussy lips were so puffy and nice and she was absolutely clean shaven with no noticeable stubb.

At first she said she does hotel but then after we got started and she saw what I could do to pleasure her, she said no. Boy friend of hers apparently does not like other men to molest his woman. Imagine that! So she obeys, scared of what she might do and like doing. But she asked for my hotel and room number, so we will see what happens later tonite. Anyway I liked my experience and tipped generously. Oil massage was $12 but I gave her $20. Maybe it will pay off and she come around my hotel? She is leaving this MP next week so hurry up guys. She is not sure where she will work next or if she will work.

They use to have massage in a big room upstairs but that has now been converted into a dorm for the girls. Massage rooms are downstairs and each bed has drapes around it. No other customer today so I was free to roam, but girl unwilling to go too far beyond the point of no return.

Her sister was far more compliant but was never there for take-out when I stopped by. I reported on her last year.

There was another very cute youngish thing outside when I left, Jenn? Really sexy, I mean, wow. But she said she does not go to hotel.

I had dinner at Sorya Mall, my usual haunt when I am mongering. I used to stay at Flamingo's but they are closed for repairs so now I am at Boli (y) na's not so "grand" hotel in 154 street next to Sorya. Okay for twenty bucks and totally GF friendly. We just marched in but the front desk did call afterwards to check that I was OK, but Flamingo was far better overall.

Anyway, this impish little twenty-something working girl with that cock-sucking look in her eyes hooked on to me as they always do at Sorya and wouldn't let go until I relented and took her back to my hotel. $10, she said, to eat her pussy, which I did with gusto, making her come in about 10 minutes. She let me take pics but wanted $10 for that too. Now for the killer: she wouldn't blow me for less than another ten or boom boom. So it could have gotten way too expensive. Yet she promised to blow, bragging how she would make me come in her mouth, but I guess I didn't make up a contract for her to sign. She was cute in a slutty sort of way with pert little boobies and a delectable, almost hairless little snatch, and squeaky clean. Overall the girl looked healthy or I never would have gone with her, nice teeth, no blemishes or signs of drug use. Otherwise some of the girls at Sorya are very jaded druggies and I never go. Her name is ARE if you are curious, but beware of her upsell tricks. Not bad but I hate negotiating for everything and finally told her to leave. I am saving myself up for Cyrcee later tonite. Report to follow.

Greetings fellows! Last night I headed off to Cyrcee for a fishing expedition. The place is always jam packed with mostly cuties, who attack you like piranha when you enter. I found APPLE and took her to my hotel. I had already had one pop earlier in the day but felt like in the mood and had prepped with a large dose of K*. Several girls were groping a very happy junior in the bar so I didn't think twice. But back in the room was another matter. Now Apple is a gorgeous specimen of the female sex with the most perfect breasts I have ever laid my eyes on. High, firm, proudly standing straight out, well-defined light brown nips and quite a handful too. But I just couldn't get it up long enough to preform and she finished me with a quick hand job and splash over those fabulous tits. In part she kind of killed the mood the way some really pretty girls do, showering and washing my wedding tackle for an eternity until I just lost my focus. It is hard for me to maintain an erection and be spontaneous when she is staging every move. But I will say that she is very, very, pretty. Not an ounce of fat anywhere and tits to kill for. There were several other cuties as well but they all wanted to go to that short time dive across the street for another $10. The Frenchman wasn't there tonite. He does an awesome job and deserves credit. My girl from last year had left, however. Too bad. They never stay long. Tomorrow is another day.

I've been with Apple at Cyrcee. I had a great time with her. You have good taste, RV.

Never had a problem with a girl only wanting to stay at the ST motel. I stay at a nice place in Riverside so girls are more than happy to take a motorbike 3 minutes to the hotel.

FYI I thought I should clarify for anyone wanting to look for Apple. Her name is not really Apple but with her accent it sounds like she is saying Apple.

She's so cute can't wait to see her again. Tried to set up another ISG member with her but he surprisingly rejected her.

Thanks for your post. You are perfectly right. Her name is probably not Apple. But her breasts are the size of ripe apples. Wow! Incredible. I will go back next week and hope to perform better.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1976724]FYI I thought I should clarify for anyone wanting to look for Apple. Her name is not really Apple but with her accent it sounds like she is saying Apple.

She's so cute can't wait to see her again. Tried to set up another ISG member with her but he surprisingly rejected her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RoamingViking;1976409]Greetings fellows! Last night I headed off to Cyrcee for a fishing expedition. The place is always jam packed with mostly cuties, who attack you like piranha when you enter. I found APPLE and took her to my hotel. I had already had one pop earlier in the day but felt like in the mood and had prepped with a large dose of K*. Several girls were groping a very happy junior in the bar so I didn't think twice. But back in the room was another matter. Now Apple is a gorgeous specimen of the female sex with the most perfect breasts I have ever laid my eyes on. High, firm, proudly standing straight out, well-defined light brown nips and quite a handful too. But I just couldn't get it up long enough to preform and she finished me with a quick hand job and splash over those fabulous tits. In part she kind of killed the mood the way some really pretty girls do, showering and washing my wedding tackle for an eternity until I just lost my focus. It is hard for me to maintain an erection and be spontaneous when she is staging every move. But I will say that she is very, very, pretty. Not an ounce of fat anywhere and tits to kill for. There were several other cuties as well but they all wanted to go to that short time dive across the street for another $10. The Frenchman wasn't there tonite. He does an awesome job and deserves credit. My girl from last year had left, however. Too bad. They never stay long. Tomorrow is another day.[/QUOTE]So many things from years ago have disappeared from South East Asia but one that endures is LE Cyrcee. Probably the best lay I ever had in Cambodia came from that stable about 5 years ago. She looked like a dusky Asian from South America, nice tits, nice curve to her hips and wearing a red dress and reasonably tall for a local. Despite being a great looker and not a scar or blemish on her skin, she was also into the sex (or should have deserved an Oscar for her performance!

The only thing that has changed is that you used to be able to do the deed upstairs. Now you have to go to a nearby short-time place. But that is a small quibble.

[QUOTE=Nazgylg15;1979862]Hello,
1) The bars I would frequent- Honeypot, Loco, angry birds, Rose, LA cyrcee (for apple) . Would try to visit Xanadu bar, office bar, Airforce, Barbados (busty chick? Moepara (Jap theme),136 bar, Candy and butterfly (ogling at ladyboys, I swear just ogling. Just for laughs, no offense meant to anyone.). Can anybody please suggest hostess or hostess bars with thick / booby / nice ass WG's. And also the special ones who go above and beyond expectations in customer satisfaction. (Nudge! Nudge! Wink! Wink! You know what I mean). Please PM contacts.

Nazgul[/QUOTE]Yes street 130 is a good place to start. Both Angry Birds and Honeypot each have a couple of friendly, pretty girls with spectacular boobs who may be willing to display them in return for a couple of ladydrinks. In Angry Birds ask for Ah Ga, or Ah Tay. In Honeypot it's Ah Reem and Ah Net. Then head to 'Double D' bar in street 110 where as the name suggests, there are some well endowed girls who can be quite enthusiastic. Just watch for bill padding there if you're buying several ladydrinks.

In Phnom Penh now, staying at Sun & Moon. Went to VIPP and Helicopter on 136th. Selection wasn't too big for Fri night. Liked a petite tiny thing by the name of Ailee or something at VIPP, bought 2 LDs, was quoted $70ST. Countered with $35, she went down to $50. I raised by a fiver, she wouldn't budge. Thought about BFing her anyway, but decided to go to more bars. Bid her farewell and went to Helicopter.

Ari was a little taller, and she was sweet. Bought her an LD and was quoted $50; Countered with $40, she wouldn't budge. Kind of liked her, and it was late anyway, so paid the BF and off we go. In the room, she's all shy, tits are almost non-existent, and she made huge eyes when asked for BJ, as if I put a fear of God into her. Sex was OK, although lacking any initiative, she did follow the directions, and got into multiple positions without a fuss. After that, she turned on the TV and we cuddled a little.

I'm thinking of starting a petition to ban push up bras. They are a crime against mankind.

Anyway, I wanted to shoot another one to get my money worth, and she would've obliged, but she was hungry, and, to be honest, I was tired too. So let her go, to her delight.

So far, I'm not overwhelmed. We'll see what tomorrow will bring.

To add some context to the story, though, I'm in my 50's and overweight. So YMMV.

And I've been out of commission for quite a long time. If you've got game, YMMV.

Although I don't know what kind of game that would require, since they barely speak a few words in English.

Prices for first-timers like me.

Sun & Moon hotel room: $75 without breakfast.

Breakfast buffet: $12. Didn't partake. Went to the barista coffee shop across the street.

Drinks, including lady drinks: $3-4. 50. Beers are cheaper, but I don't drink beer at night.

Bar fine: $10.

Sun and Moon:

1. Love the rooftop pool and the bar, especially at night. One of the top hotel pools for me.

2. Great location on 136th street.

3. Guest-friendly, but charges $10 if you book a single. Girls must leave their ID, and they call you when she leaves. IMHO, worth extra security.

One more thing. Perhaps, I am paranoid, but when I was done, she immediately took off my condom and went to throw it out. The layout of the room is such that the sink and the trashcan are separated by the curtain. I went immediately after her, and she moved to the bathroom. I thought I got fucked, but after she left, found the condom wrapped in a tissue inside the can. Again, don't know if I thwarted her evil plans, or if I'm just paranoid. I probably am, because the girl was pretty sweet, didn't really look like a shark. But FWIW. Better be safe.

Hope it helps.

I've read the last 10 or so pages, but if you, gents, have any tips, I'm all ears. I love them sweet and gentle, and don't mind them older as long as they look good.

P.S. Went to a massage parlor yesterday, the name escapes me right now, but it's across from the hotel and slightly behind if you look from the direction of the riverside. In any case, I think it's the only parlor on 136th that advertises $10 oil massage. Had Sraila (Average technique, but did a HJ for an extra $20. And they charge me $8 for the massage instead of $10, go figure.

[QUOTE=AussieGuy100;1984353]Yes street 130 is a good place to start. Both Angry Birds and Honeypot each have a couple of friendly, pretty girls with spectacular boobs who may be willing to display them in return for a couple of ladydrinks. In Angry Birds ask for Ah Ga, or Ah Tay. In Honeypot it's Ah Reem and Ah Net. Then head to 'Double D' bar in street 110 where as the name suggests, there are some well endowed girls who can be quite enthusiastic. Just watch for bill padding there if you're buying several ladydrinks.[/QUOTE]Wonderful information. I will update the forum with more info from my findings.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;1985712]One more thing. Perhaps, I am paranoid, but when I was done, she immediately took off my condom and went to throw it out. The layout of the room is such that the sink and the trashcan are separated by the curtain. I went immediately after her, and she moved to the bathroom. I thought I got fucked, but after she left, found the condom wrapped in a tissue inside the can. Again, don't know if I thwarted her evil plans, or if I'm just paranoid. I probably am, because the girl was pretty sweet, didn't really look like a shark. But FWIW. Better be safe.[/QUOTE]What could she possibly do with it? Take your sperm and put it in her pussy? And then what? Does she got your ID details or something like that? Otherwise I think you've been a little bit paranoid on that one, but the report was nice, thanks.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;1986776]What could she possibly do with it? Take your sperm and put it in her pussy? And then what? Does she got your ID details or something like that? Otherwise I think you've been a little bit paranoid on that one, but the report was nice, thanks.[/QUOTE]Exactly! That's why I said, "perhaps paranoid. " But far-fetched as it sounds, my hotel knows a lot of things about me, including my real name and my billing address. Is it too far-fetched to presume that she might've been able to convince an underpaid front-desk clerk share this info? Maybe it is, but there was something alarming about how quickly she pulled it off and jumped to the sink. Just saying.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;1987124]Exactly! That's why I said, "perhaps paranoid. " But far-fetched as it sounds, my hotel knows a lot of things about me, including my real name and my billing address. Is it too far-fetched to presume that she might've been able to convince an underpaid front-desk clerk share this info? Maybe it is, but there was something alarming about how quickly she pulled it off and jumped to the sink. Just saying.[/QUOTE]Maybe she was paranoid about being pregnant. Maybe she had a broken condom inside before and she wants to be sure it doesn't happen again.

Would anyone know of a good tour guide (trustworthy) with transport? Any recommendations would be appreciated.

Many thanks.

D.

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I don't understand why people complain so much over the bars in Phnom Penh. I stayed one night last week. I stayed at hotel in street 130. Visited some close by bars. Took a real spinner, very good body. LT 40 dollar. A little old but very good in bed. A real three holler.

There was many girls in the bars. Very easy to find what you want. All ages, all shapes. I love Phnom Penh.

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1988838]I don't understand why people complain so much over the bars in Phnom Penh. I stayed one night last week. I stayed at hotel in street 130. Visited some close by bars. Took a real spinner, very good body. LT 40 dollar. A little old but very good in bed. A real three holler.

There was many girls in the bars. Very easy to find what you want. All ages, all shapes. I love Phnom Penh.[/QUOTE]A little old which means?

[QUOTE=AskeAske;1988838]I don't understand why people complain so much over the bars in Phnom Penh. I stayed one night last week. I stayed at hotel in street 130. Visited some close by bars. Took a real spinner, very good body. LT 40 dollar. A little old but very good in bed. A real three holler.

There was many girls in the bars. Very easy to find what you want. All ages, all shapes. I love Phnom Penh.[/QUOTE]I am looking forward to my return visit to Phnom Penh. I really like Khmer girls and their charming ways. It is just that things were so fucking fantastic here from the mid 90's all the way up to the bar raids in late 2009 that by comparison things have gone done hill very dramatically. It is still nice to come here and have a good time. You have to let the past be the past and live in the now.

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[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1988843]It is still nice to come here and have a good time. You have to let the past be the past and live in the now.[/QUOTE]So well put! Unfortunately too many people bang on about "the good old days" but they've now passed so we all have to find our fun in the environment that is PP monger world 2017! Been traveling to this great county since 2006, sure things have changed but it's still a place for fun if you are prepared to dig a bit! Back in late Feb for 3 weeks so I'm sure I'll have some great nights-anything new and exciting I'm sure to post a report for fellow punters to get some tips and enjoy!

Stay safe and have fun.

[QUOTE=DingoD;1989543]So well put! Unfortunately too many people bang on about "the good old days" but they've now passed so we all have to find our fun in the environment that is PP monger world 2017! Been traveling to this great county since 2006, sure things have changed but it's still a place for fun if you are prepared to dig a bit! Back in late Feb for 3 weeks so I'm sure I'll have some great nights-anything new and exciting I'm sure to post a report for fellow punters to get some tips and enjoy!

Stay safe and have fun.[/QUOTE]Exactly, DingoD. Phnom Penh is a lot of fun. I prefer Phnom Penh from Bangkok. Much more relaxed. The girls are never dick scared. No girl say no to you and in the next second go with a Japanese guy. I know that it was even better before, but Bangkok was also better before.

If some one go to Phnom Penh first time, then read this tread back min. 1 year. There is a lot of information. Very easy to have a good time in Cambodia. For a monger very easy to have a good time in Phnom Penh and Sihanoukville.

First things first I have indeed RTFF multiple times. This is my first time in Cambodia so I wanted to be prepared.

Things did not get of to a great start for me tbh. Thought I established a connection with a massage girl at mango spa. She agreed to visit me that night. No hanky panky during the actual massage as there was another gentleman in the room also getting a massage. I'm guessing both of us left with blue balls. Unfortunately the silly girl didn't show up that night. Got a msg from her the next day that she fell asleep after work and forgot. To be fair I was fairly wiped as well so probably a good thing.

Second day in and I've got massage lady to agree to come tonight. Magic hour arrives and I get a call asking for directions. During this call the discussion turns to payment. Negotiations break down fairly quickly. She doesn't budge from $100 for LT and I don't budge from $60 because IMHO she wasn't that hot. Backup plan is to hit pontoon. Arrive and the club is doing well for a Tuesday. Interestingly, all 3 girls I interviewed also quoted $100 for LT. Tried every trick I could think of including waiting till it got closer to closing time. Managed to pick uo a cute petite thing for $80 LT. Get back to the hotel and do the deed. Quite enjoyable as I get a BBBJ and she does anal too (yay). Big minus in that she tries to bail after the first pop. Uh-uh. Not happening. Hold her to the LT and manage to squeeze in another pop around 6 am. Again she requests to leave after. By now am fed up and agree just to get her out of there.

I'm pretty sure I am making a few rookie errors here but nothing obvious IMHO. For reference I'm 30 and look younger, dress fairly well with a slightly chubby body shape. Comments and advice appreciated.

[QUOTE=Infedel;1990162]
Big minus in that she tries to bail after the first pop. Uh-uh. Not happening. Hold her to the LT and manage to squeeze in another pop around 6 am. Again she requests to leave after. By now am fed up and agree just to get her out of there.

[/QUOTE]I have only tried that a couble of times. I always let her go. I don't want to be with a woman, who don't want to stay. But I only pay 1/2 of what we agreed.